I want to start this thread to get the problems we have with the 1910 in 1 thread so I can email Denon and link them to this page.

Please list what device you have hooked up to the 1910 and by which connection.

Here are my problems with it.

34XS955 with DVI-HDMI (Player Build date July 2004) NTSC Version

when i use 1080i to my tv my image "shakes" like lettering on the star wars menu's move up and down.

This ONLY happens on 1080i

Macroblocking: This is a Faroudja 2301 chip problem.

Denon WILL be adding the 1910 to the Firmware Download page.

Current Firmware version avaliable from Denon is 1.12

To obtain it, email contactservice@denonnj.com and ask nicely for it to be sent to you.

I had the 1910 and took it back due to bad macroblocking with my Toshiba 32HFX73 hooked up via a DVI dual link.

Sanyo HT32744 with DVI-HDMI:

- Jitter @ 1080i.

- Slight artifacting surrounding subtitles during scenes with fast movement (can someone check their 1910 to confirm this? I didn't notice this on my DVB318, so I don't think its a fadjoura specific problem but I could be wrong).

Panasonic TC-22LH1 DVI->HDMI

Jitter @ 1080i

Macroblocking

when were ur players made mine was July 2004

Wondering if the newer ones have some of these problems fixed?

1910 connected to Sanyo Z2 projector via DVI 720p. Grey border around the picture ca 2 inches. Picture not in the middle. Picture was also out of focus.

/Sam

1910 connected to BenQ 8700+ DVI -> DVI. Underscan/grey border. Picture out of focus. Shadows to the right of subtitles. My Momitsu clone (Yamakawa 375) produces perfect (and I mean PERFECT) sharp subtitles, so it should be possible.

Another thing. The setup menu is out of focus and there seem to be some green artifacts in the letters.

Maybe we should post wether we got a PAL or NTSC version of the player as is seems that there are difference between them. The "black enhancement" setting is for instance not present on the PAL. It seems like it's permanently "on".

My 1910 is the PAL version. Good thread.

yea i forgot about ntsc or pal

added it to my first post

C'mon 1910 owners! Let's give Denon some feedback.

NTSC version

1. Insufficient color saturation as indicated by AVIA flashing bar test.

2. Colors seem a bit off overall.

3. Some green push in dark images or sections.

4. Inconsistent lip sync with Optoma H77 over DVI @720p

Ira

DVI sync problem with Panny EDTV.... flickers back and forth between 'no image' and snow screen, even though the DVI blade in the EDTV is HDCP compliant.

What about jpeg image playback. Any unfortunate limitations / anomalies or performance issues?

when i use 1080i to my tv my image "shakes" like lettering on the star wars menu's move up and down.

Sounds like the jitter problem that the DVD-910 had. I was forced to return it. A problem with Sony TVs in particular...it did it on my X1. If it is the same problem, Denonjeff said that they didn't know what was causing it.

Too bad. I really wanted to change out my Zenith 318.

Dazog: Is the email send?

yes I emailed them and was told No new firmware yet and they had no idea about the jitter problem

I pointed them to this very thread.

I really don't want to have to buy a new dvd player to replace this one if they won't fix the bugs.

Originally posted by iblumberg
NTSC version

1. Insufficient color saturation as indicated by AVIA flashing bar test.

2. Colors seem a bit off overall.

3. Some green push in dark images or sections.

4. Inconsistent lip sync with Optoma H77 over DVI @720p

Ira

Definitely agree with insufficient color saturation over DVI with my Panny 500 PJ

Originally posted by Dazog
yes I emailed them and was told No new firmware yet and they had no idea about the jitter problem



Did they comment on any of the other issues? Macroblocking?

Hey Guys. Got my new 1910. Was amazed at the quality. But today I finally watched a full movie and to be honest.. I was kinda disapointed. I watched magnolia Platinum Edition on my mits WS48413. If yall have that movie.. pop it in and see if U had the problems. When tom cruise's charachter finally sees his dad. There are some ceiling lights that are jittering like crazy in the background. Also, when william H macy's charachter throws up in the bathroom, (Chapter titled Breakdowns) There is terrible macroblocking on his back. The next scene show tom cruise talkin on the phone next to a concrete wall. Macroblocking galore on the walls. I could be just losing my mind, but I thought it was pretty noticeable. This was at 480p and 1080i over DVI. Yall let me know what I should do. If you think Denon is gonna come up with a firmware update that will help then I will hold on to the unit. But if not, I will take it back and get my money back. Also, if you have the movie, let me know if you see the same problems I do. Thanx Guys.

I just picked up a DVD-1910 to go with my Toshiba 51H84 set over the weekend.

By my, admittedly poor, eyes, the image quality looks great at 780p. However, I get the shakes at 1080i like others have mention. But my worse problem is random DVI signal loss. 4-5 times during a movie, the TV loses the video signal, and all I see is white noise static. Waiting 10-15 seconds gets the signal back, as does switching inputs away from and back to HDMI gets the signal back.

The connection is via a Monster DVI-HDMI cable.

This does not happen at all via component connections, but I bought this player specifically for the Farudja-enhanced DVI output.

Anyone else seen this problem?

I Have the Toshiba 42h83.....Denon 1910 via DVI to DVI...
I also get a 1080i jitter....
720p (No jitter) but a softer picture........Contacted Denon and they stated that it might be a compatibility issue with Toshiba and it seems that people are stating 720P looks better than 1080i on the Toshiba........

My 1080i pucture is great other than the Jitter....
No drop outs as of yet....

I just returned my unit, the black macroblocking issue drove me nuts and brought home a 2910 (sigh). $650 bucks, I wish I could have found it cheaper. The local dealer only had 2 that had just come in so I guess I was lucky at least on that point. I am reading where one person in the 3910 thread said the sharpness, skin tones, color matching etc are on par with his HTPC. I find that very hard to believe but if its close, that great.

I never asked about the macroblocking but about the Jitter at 1080i only

I suggest you all email denon and tell them your setup and that you get jitter at 1080i as well

The more reported cases, the more they will fix these things!

Make sure you point them to this thread.

have the 1910 connected to the Benq PE8700+, so far twice during movie playback the unit has lost dvi signal and began searching for the connection........

I'm getting about inch bars on the sides of 2:35:1 and 1:85 material on the 1910. When I pop the same DVD into my RP82 it fills the screen perfectly. (I use a Panny 500 projector with a 110" screen).

This problem only recently appeared (I've had the 1910 for about a month). Anyone experience this or have a suggestion?

Originally posted by xxzen
have the 1910 connected to the Benq PE8700+, so far twice during movie playback the unit has lost dvi signal and began searching for the connection........

This has happened twice to me as well when watching on my Optoma H77. Both times it was on a Monk season 1 disc (disc 1 and 2 of course). So far it has not happened with any of the other 20 or so discs I have watched on the 1910.

Ira

Originally posted by iblumberg
This has happened twice to me as well when watching on my Optoma H77. Both times it was on a Monk season 1 disc (disc 1 and 2 of course). So far it has not happened with any of the other 20 or so discs I have watched on the 1910.

Ira

Sounds like something is triggering somethign the signal hangshaking in the cable. A few other people posted about this. In 2 cases the connection socekts were not implemented or were defective in manufacture. In 4 of the instances I read about, new cabling fixed the problem. These new connections are showing growing pains.

Email I received from DENON concerning M-Blocking and 1080i Jitter.


Dear Ed,

I am aware of some of the issues. Please keep in mind macro blocking is

a function of the DVD player, display and the disc being played. The Faroudja

chipset is where the problem lies in our case. We are investigating what we can

do to work around this. Should an update come out in the future, it can be mailed

to you. You can check back with us from time to time. I don’t have any timeframe

at this point.



Best Regards,



J. McGuinness

Denon Electronics (USA), LLC

19C Chapin Road, Suite 205

Pine Brook, N.J. 07058-9385

j_mcguinness@denonnj.com

(973) 396-0810 Main x492

(877) 983-3666 Toll Free x492

(973) 396-7492 Direct

(973) 396-7459 Fax

Thanks for the update. That email didn't sound too hopeful in regards to getting the macroblocking fixed, but here's hoping they'll at least address the 1080i jitter; I can't believe they let the 1910 out the door with such an obvious error like that!

The 2910 now has a firmware update.

Maybe we should email denon and see if the 1910 does also?

Cause they better not leave us out cause our player is there Lower end model.

Any response from Denon about a 1910 firmware update?

I have the same problem as MarKish... "DVI sync problem with Panny EDTV.... flickers back and forth between 'no image' and snow screen, even though the DVI blade in the EDTV is HDCP compliant."

Here was/is Denon's Email reply (10/26): "We have had some complaints regarding some Panasonic displays not working properly with our players. We are investigating this now but have not come to a conclusion on the problem so I don’t have a suggestion at this time. You may check back with us in the future regarding any change in status on this issue."

Just hooked up a 1910 to my Panny TH-50PHD6UY Plasma via DVI. Issues:

1. DVD-R playback. I've tried about 10 of my DVD-R movies...2 of them play no problem, the other 8 will either not play at all, or begin playing and then stutter/freeze entirely part-way into playback. Regular store-bought DVDs all play fine so far. This DVD-R hangup is a major issue for me.

2. I initially had the alternating snow/no signal issue that was mentioned earlier. What worked for me is to a) set the DVI resolution on the 1910, then b) cycle through the plasma's input settings, back around to 'Input 1' (the DVI connection)...then it locks in.

3. Macroblocking was all over the place initially. After recalibrating and turning OFF the 1910's black setting option (as mentioned elsewhere), I've minimized it to a point that is close to the black quality I had on my Bravo D1 (the failure of which prompted me to pick up the 1910).

If I can't get around the DVD-R issue, the 1910 will be a stopgap for me until I can get my hands on a Panny DVDS97.

Make sure you email them your problems people, that way they will see there is a demand to get these things fixed!

Lankford, I tried your item #2 to get a lock-in (advice from Visual Apex, the folks that sold me my Panny (TH-42PWD7UY); however my EDTV would not lock in (I tried all three 480P, 720P and 1080i, per their advise...should have locked on 480P). Also, per page 23 of the 1910 Operating Instructions, I made sure the "PROGRESSIVE" (Default: OFF) was turned ON...a small p.scan becomes visable on the DVD's front panel display. Again, the DVD and panny would not lock-in...

Perhaps it only works on the HD, not the ED.

MarKish, did you have any luck?

I've been told the 2910 DVI will work with the Panny...has anyone had success with this connection?

Originally posted by Dazog
Make sure you email them your problems people, that way they will see there is a demand to get these things fixed!

We may also want to broaden this discussion to other avforums and newsgroups.

The 1910 has the potential of being a much better player than its current quirks allow it to be, which is a huge shame, because I think there are a lot of people (myself included) who would very much appreciate a player exactly in this price and features range.

Even folks who would normally be able to spend more on a DVD player might be interested in models in this range, given that now we are very much in a transitional period of very quick evolution of player's digital connectivity options, content playback options, other features, etc., and so overspending on a DVD player model given that models a couple of years down the line will be that much better (i.e. much more so than with most other pieces of home theater equipment, where we're used to seeing much slower evolution).

The bottom line is, both Denon and we the users, will benefit from the 1910's problems being fixed in formware, and with Denon paying a closer attention designing the next years' models.

Alec

Hi there

I just bought the panny 700 projector - I have it connected with a also new bought denon 1910 dvd connected through hdmi. I also have it hooked up on my htpc through the vga port.

I have only played pal dvds, since my denon is not (yet) region free.

The vga/htpc works fine, but the hdmi from the denon player does not scale the full image. I have the denon to output 720 dvi so it should give me 1:1 pixels, but there is a app. 10 pixel black border on all sides.

I also get 4-5 short dropouts during a movie on the hdmi output, its a supra dvi-hdmi cable, that I will try to replace..

Steen

Originally posted by lankford
Just hooked up a 1910 to my Panny TH-50PHD6UY Plasma via DVI. Issues:

1. DVD-R playback. I've tried about 10 of my DVD-R movies...2 of them play no problem, the other 8 will either not play at all, or begin playing and then stutter/freeze entirely part-way into playback. Regular store-bought DVDs all play fine so far. This DVD-R hangup is a major issue for me.

2. I initially had the alternating snow/no signal issue that was mentioned earlier. What worked for me is to a) set the DVI resolution on the 1910, then b) cycle through the plasma's input settings, back around to 'Input 1' (the DVI connection)...then it locks in.

3. Macroblocking was all over the place initially. After recalibrating and turning OFF the 1910's black setting option (as mentioned elsewhere), I've minimized it to a point that is close to the black quality I had on my Bravo D1 (the failure of which prompted me to pick up the 1910).

If I can't get around the DVD-R issue, the 1910 will be a stopgap for me until I can get my hands on a Panny DVDS97.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4620922

Seth

Add me to the list of those who returned their 1910 due to macroblocking problem; direct A-B comparison with a D1 left no doubt it was the player, not the particular DVD I'd play and not the pj. I'm still nursing my D1 along, waiting for a reliable player that gets digital video output right.

Dan

My PAL 1910 firmware is now upgraded.

Status:

Underscan -> still there

1080i shake -> still there

Too high brightness (not a problem in NTSC land) -> fixed

Too soft picture/subtitles -> still there

The firmware upgrade I rec'd (1.09) only fixed some problem DTS.

Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
The firmware upgrade I rec'd (1.09) only fixed some problem DTS.

Excellent!

Now how do we get a copy

Originally posted by Jules Dollah
My PAL 1910 firmware is now upgraded.

Status:

Underscan -> still there

1080i shake -> still there

Too high brightness (not a problem in NTSC land) -> fixed

Too soft picture/subtitles -> still there

Jules,

What firmware have you upgraded to ? 1.10 or 1.09 ?

New to AVS and new to posting. I'm using a Denon 1910 with DVI/HDMI to a Hitachi 60VS810. I've had the green and the macro-blocking that some have mentioned, but using the setup someone posted in a Hitachi thread and leaving the setups at 0 on the Denon seems to have eliminated this. A bigger problem is that I played a 2.35:1 movie and it displayed as a narrow band more on the order of 3:1! I've got the Denon setup for 16:9 wide and the Hitachi setup for 16:9 standard. When I set the Hitachi to 16:9 zoom, I get a 2:35 layout with the sides of the picture missing. Any thoughts on what the problem might be?

Originally posted by The Icebun
Jules,

What firmware have you upgraded to ? 1.10 or 1.09 ?

1.09

Jules,

My 1910 had 1.09 be default, so it doesn't surprise me that you still have most of the problems mentioned - I thought your upgrade would be to 1.10.

Is there a v.1.10 for PAL? In that case why did I get the 1.09 three days ago!? :( I'm going to call the shop again then.

how do we find out what version firmware we have installed?

As far as I remember you press 1 2 3 4 then display.

I'm getting a Samsung HLP4674 DLP TV with the next month or so and was planning on buying the Denon 1910. After reading through this thread and hearing about jitters and macroblocking, it has me a bit nervous. One thing I did notice from the thread is that I don't believe I saw anyone mention they had a Samsung DLP. I'm seeing Toshiba, Mits, and Panny quite a bit.

Is anyone having these problems with a Sammy or could the problems only be occurring on some display devices?

I've read other threads where Sammy owners claim to not be seeing some of these issues.

Thanks,
Mike

worked I have 1.08 time to request the newer one :)

looks like the 1.10 PAL enables Region Free, IF someone gets ahold of the USA 1.10 check for this also, and post it somewhere if possible :)

1.10 PAL does not enable region free.

Novice question: how does one do a firmware upgrade on the 1910?

Randy

you need the update cd before you can worry about what code to use :)

Originally posted by Jules Dollah
1.10 PAL does not enable region free.

Interesting, I read a few boards and people are running the 1.10 Codefree.

They got there dvd players flashed by Service centers, not Denon itself.

I just bought a 1910. I'm hooking it up to my new Sammy 4674 tomorrow night. I'm praying that I love the quality of it! I can't afford a 2910 or other high end model. I will post if I have green push or macroblocking issues.

BTW, checked my firmware and it was 1.09.

I am now too getting drops out's.
I didn't have them before. I get them once every 2 dvd's I play.

I will phone denon tommarow and see what I can dig up.

Originally posted by Dazog
Interesting, I read a few boards and people are running the 1.10 Codefree.

They got there dvd players flashed by Service centers, not Denon itself.

My service center has two cd-roms. One v.1.10 upgrade and one that enables regionfree.

How do I find a service center, do I need to call Denon?

Has any of the firmware updates fixed the drop out problem?

I have a GWIV and didn't notice the jitter, green issues or macroblocking. I did, however, suffer a dropout last night. It only lasted about 3 seconds and came right back.

Try contacting them, alot of people have had success getting the disc.

Denon is sending me out a disc tommarow i will report back what version the CD is, maybe a 1.11 ?

Just to add my two cents to the mix-- I have the 1910 hooked up to a Benq 8700 via DVI @ 720P. I've experienced the macroblocking issue (opening crawl in Star Wars), the long sync thing when first turning both PJ and player on, and also the DVI signal losing sync in the middle of a DVD (and of course the picture disappearing as a result-- very embarrasing when guests are watching!)

I know this is a thread for mentioning problems but I wanted to report that I have had this player for 5 days so far hooked up to my new Samsung 4674 DLP and I am thrilled with it! To my eyes, the color looks great, no sync issues. I am seeing some very minimal macroblocking from time to time. But I may have never noticed it if I haven't read this forums and knew to look for it.

I will post back if I do discover problems in the comings weeks. Right now, I am thrilled!

My Set Up:
Samsung HLP4674W 46" DLP (HD2+ chip)
Denon 1910 DVD Player via DVI
JVC 3805 Receiver (I think this is the #)
JBL Northridge series speakers
Dishnetwork 508 DVR via S-Video
Xbox via Component

Hi Dazog,

Could you please pm me about how you contacted Denon and are getting the disc.

Also I would love to make my 1910 DVD player region free. Any input on that would be much appreciated as well.

Thanks!

Actually, it'd probably even be more advantageous to all if the info was just placed in this thread, as opposed to being just PM'd to certain members. Just a thought...

Regs,
Jeff

Originally posted by gracious
Could you please pm me about how you contacted Denon and are getting the disc.

Gracious,

I emailed contactservice@denonnj.com inquiring about it. They emailed back and asked for my address and said they would send me one.

Randy

Just sent mail inquiring about this - I'm at 1.08 as it stands now and I bought just 1 month ago.

Other than the intermittent video drops the player seems to be pretty nice. I like the picture quality I get for 720p. I'm pretty pleased with the purchase.

Can anyone with the drop out issue please confirm or deny that it's fixed with a firmware flash? I read somewhere that this has also been fixed by some with a new DVI cable. Any truth to that?

Yes, Just email them above and ask nicely, and you will recieve.

I will amend the first post to address this and current firmware version.

Can you guys with 1910 and PJ please do me (and others) a favor:

Turn subtitles on and see if they are razor sharp? On my Yamakawa 375 they are as sharp as you would expect from a digital source. Like text on a LCD computer monitor.

But on my 1910 they are not sharp at all. I think that watching the subtitles is a very easy way to see if the 1910 is working like it should over DVI. It's so bad that you will see it right away.

I've tried different DVI sorces (DVD player, PC) and subtitles are like they should be. But not on my 1910.

Thanks

Jules,

Mine look pretty good. I don't know if you'd call them razor sharp, but they're definitely not bad. I could post a pic if needed.

BTW, my TV is a Samsung HLP5674W.

Randy

Sent an email yesterday and got a response back today saying firmware upgrade is being mailed to me....just an fyi

Same deal here. Firmware will be sent to me tomorrow.

Thanks,
Jeff

Got a reponse within one day. Mine will be sent out tomorrow. Does anyone have a clue to what 1.10 fixes or 1.09? I've seen references to it but no one mentioning what it fixes. Mine seems to be working great. I am very happy with it but figure I might as well get it current.

I will probably update to 1.10 and have all kinds of issues. LOL!

people in the UK say 1.10 fixes the Pixel cropping

But I can't confirm or deny it.

Well I responded a few days ago that I was very satisfied with my 1910 purchase and that I did not see the green push or extremely minimal MB'ing. After about 7 movies of no green push, I watched part of Return of the King and saw it. It was during the scene where Smeagol/gollum is plotting to kill the hobbits and Sam over hears them and attacks them. Sam's hair was greenish and gollum had green spotches on his head, which I assume should have been shadows.

When some of you have complained about this issue was it on most movies you watched or just every now and then? Like I said, this was the first one out of about 7-8 movies.

Also, I think I read some folks were able to adjust some of the green push out. Did you do this on the 1910 or the TV. Which settings would I use? Does attempting to adjust it out screw up the rest of the colors and tone of the DVD?

Thanks,
Mike

I see a green push periodically. It seems to mainly show up on darker scenes. I really don't know if it's coming from the 1910 or my TV, a Samsung DLP5674W. I have them connected via DVI and luckily, using that input on the TV I can adjust the red, green, and blue separately. I knocked the green down 2 notches which seemed to take care of it for the brighter scenes.

I'm most likely going to purchase the Avia DVD and try a full calibration. I would imagine that a gamma adjustment needs to be done, since it looks like the green push is dependent on intensity. Again, my main question is how do you tell if the push is coming from the DVD player or the TV? Other than DVD, I just have standard satellite to feed it (not HD) which is nowhere near the level of quality of the DVD.

Randy

Originally posted by RCBrust
I see a green push periodically. It seems to mainly show up on darker scenes. I really don't know if it's coming from the 1910 or my TV, a Samsung DLP5674W. I have them connected via DVI and luckily, using that input on the TV I can adjust the red, green, and blue separately. I knocked the green down 2 notches which seemed to take care of it for the brighter scenes.

I'm most likely going to purchase the Avia DVD and try a full calibration. I would imagine that a gamma adjustment needs to be done, since it looks like the green push is dependent on intensity. Again, my main question is how do you tell if the push is coming from the DVD player or the TV? Other than DVD, I just have standard satellite to feed it (not HD) which is nowhere near the level of quality of the DVD.

Randy

You are using the 5674, I'm using the 4674. I haven't tried any color adjustments. I would like to get the Avia discs but may not get them until after the first of the year. I hear reports that the 1910 gives a washed out look but I have not directly compared it to any other player. All I know is it looks much better than my 32" toshiba tube TV playing DVDs through an xbox. I may try out the new Sammy 941 side by side with the Denon when it is available and compare the colors. I'm pretty happy with the Denon for the price. But if I could find something else in the same price range that is a bit better I would give it a try. I just can't spend the money to upgrade to the higher end players. My wife would shoot me!!!!!! LOL.

How do you think your 1910 does on color for your 5674? I feel that whites and colors look great but blacks seem a bit grainy. I didn't know if that is due to my TV, the 1910, or limitations of DVDs.

Thanks,
Mike

Mike,

I'm pretty happy with the color, and the blacks. Are you connected via DVI? I'm using DVI and running at 720P. Oh, and the cable is a Monster that almost cost as much as the DVD player. :rolleyes:

The only other DVD that I would like to try, after reading a bunch of threads here, would be the Panny S97. That seems to be the only lower priced unit that people consistantly say looks better than the 1910.

Although, when it comes down to it, I think I'm happy enough with the setup I have now to hold me over until the HD-DVD sets come out, I think around the end of next year or so.

Randy

Randy,

I'm about where you are. I'm just looking for the best player for the dollar to hold me off until HD DVD. However, it could be several years until then. They may hit the market next year but they will be WAY TOO EXPENSIVE and not much available. I figure it will likely be a couple years before you can get a decent player. I don't mind spending $500-$600 for a great HD-DVD player but I doubt I will jump on too early and spend $1000. When I get one, it will have to last me a while and you know as soon as they hit the market, you will see one a year later at half the price with twice the features.

TVs are just too far ahead of DVDs right now. I just need to be happy with the 1910 until later. But if I can check out the Sammy 941 side by side for free, I might as well take a look.

Thanks for your input.

Originally posted by Dazog
people in the UK say 1.10 fixes the Pixel cropping

But I can't confirm or deny it.

V.1.10 PAL does not take care of pixel cropping. At least not on BenQ 8700+.

Originally posted by Dazog

The handshake for the HDCP takes 5 seconds, when switching output modes. This needs to be reduced.

when i use 1080i to my tv my image "shakes" like lettering on the star wars menu's move up and down.

This ONLY happens on 1080i

The menu switching speed is really SLOW, there has to be a way to resolve this aswell.

Macroblocking since this is a Faroudja 2301 chip problem?

Current Firmware version avaliable from Denon is 1.10



Hmm, I dont think the HDCP handshake is 5 secs long, more like 2 to 2.5 secs. At least that's what I noticed.

The shaking doesn't occur at all for me. I have a DLP HD2+ set, using DVI-to-HDMI cable. FWIW I *do* get the shaking when I watch a 1080i channel off my satellite receiver when I force it to output in 1080i. The shaking is caused by the algorithm of how 1080i is downconverted to 720p. I dont understand why my DLP set doesn't cause the shake for the DVD 1080i output but does so for my HD STB.

Menu switch speed: Really isn't annoyingly slow, honestly.

Macroblocking: Sheesh. I have yet to still see a glaringly bad example of it in my setup! I bought a bunch of Superbit DVDs, I'm gonna watch them all soon and I'll be back to report! Although I know that a cartoon isn't a prime testbed for Mblocking, I watched Monsters Inc. last night and it looked SPECTACULAR (720p output from the 1910). Color, depth, sharpness, A/V synch, you name it. Towards almost the very end though, there was a layer change, and yeah it was almost 2 secs like the Secrets Shootout revealed. Is this an issue for me? HECK NO.

No clue what my firmware version is: But I bought it late September.

All in all, VERY happy with the 1910, for the sub-$250 asking price.

Hmmm. I thought this was the thread for PROBLEMS with the 1910? Not the "I think the 1910 is good enough for my needs" thread. Please start another thread if it has any relevans for anybody. We can't link to this thread for Denon or other support centers if it's not serious. Thank you.

I had the 1910 (but have returned it for the 2910). I liked it very much--never saw MB'ing (only know what that is when I tried a Panny S97, where it was very evident)--EXCEPT for the noticeable green tint in dark scenes. E.g., in the opening scenes of 'Master & Commander' (one of my favorites!), the dark scenes inside the ship had much too much green. The 2910 is much better in this regard. Without this one shortcoming I would have been very happy to have kept this player (and have $400 to spend on something else!).

Originally posted by RCBrust
Jules,

Mine look pretty good. I don't know if you'd call them razor sharp, but they're definitely not bad. I could post a pic if needed.

BTW, my TV is a Samsung HLP5674W.

Randy

Here's is an example of what I'm talking about. Yamakawa 375 vs. Denon 1910. Both using the DVI output of course.

The subtitle difference is very VERY obvious at 106''.

Fix this issue and the underscan/pixel crop and I'm happy.

This is the 1910.

Jules,

Just wanted to ask you if you see this same blurriness on the actual picture content or if this appears to be restricted to the subtitles only? Those images were perfect for showing what it was you were talking about, great job. I will be checking this out on my own DLP RPTV tonight. I wish I could help you on the PJ thing, but no PJ in the house right now.

Thanks,
Jeff

If you have owned any other dvd player, the Menu switching speed on the denon is the slowest I have ever seen, I can navigate quickly and this player takes forever.

I had a pioneer before lighting fast, So even if you think its fine for the MAJORITY of us users it isn't that's why its an issue.

Jules,

Can you tell me what movie you snapped those screenshots from. I popped in my Superbit version of Fifth Element last night with subtitles and they all looked pretty similar to your second picture, regardless of tv input, S-vid, Component or DVI. I just wanted to see if it was the source DVD that had the less than stellar subtitles or if it was the player itself. Unfortunately, the 1910 is the only DVI player I have and I really don't feel like dragging my desktop back upstairs to the theater room to check out the same subtitles via PowerDVD or WinDVD.

Thanks,
Jeff

Group,

Didn't I see somewhere that there is a service menu on the 1910? If so, does anyone know how to get into it?

Thanks,
Randy

Iceblade: All DVDs should have subtitles that are useful for this test. That means that you don't have to use any particular. But because of the fact that they often have different font and outline, some shows the flaws more than others.

On a 60'' or larger you can see it right away on any DVD without trying hard.

Yes, it's on the picture itself too. But it's of course harder to see.

RCBrust: My local service center did not know of any service menu, besides 1234[display] or the one you use for upgrading firmware. None of those can be described as "Service menu".

Thanks Jules, that's the one I was thinking of. The one that shows the firmware version. I thought it was 1 2 3 4 something. :)

Randy

Just got my 1.10 firmware update in the mail today. I haven't had a chance to do it yet. I will likely get to it tomorrow. Of course, I have no idea what it does. I've asked this before and it doesn't seem like anyone knows for sure. If anyone has info on what 1.10 fixes please post.

I will let you know if I see anything that seems different. However, the only real problem I have seen is the green push in dark scenes of some movies.

This is the info my local service center gave me on PAL v.1.10. It's copy/paste from Denon and it doesn't really make a lot of sense:

Subject: 2. SUBJECT:Improvement of the screen display of DVD-1910 PAL-DVI output3. DETAIL: In the specification of this model, an analog signal and a digital signal are outputted on simultaneous and the same cropping level.Therefore, for to make it fault not occur at analog display, it designed in accordance with the standard of the PAL signal of an analog.For this reason, in the digital signal, it was not displayed by the full size.(In NTSC, it is satisfactory) .4. SYMPTOM: pixcel cropping of right and left of a screen is large at the time of a PAL-DVI output. (Number of pixcel cropping is large.) 5. CAUSE: We upgraded microcomputer software so that cropping might be lessened to the SPEC limit of the Matsush*ta MPEG decoder. (Matsush*ta's MPEG DECODER REGISTER setup was changed)

Jules,

Fair enough.. I was just hoping to get a more apples to apples comparison between pics I will snap on my screen and the ones you snapped on your FP using the same dvd at the same subtitle point in a given movie. Since I have no other DVI source to compare against... my only choice is to try to compare against your screen shots, hence my wanting to know the specifics.

Thanks,
Jeff


Originally posted by Jules Dollah
Iceblade: All DVDs should have subtitles that are useful for this test. That means that you don't have to use any particular. But because of the fact that they often have different font and outline, some shows the flaws more than others.

On a 60'' or larger you can see it right away on any DVD without trying hard.

Yes, it's on the picture itself too. But it's of course harder to see.

RCBrust: My local service center did not know of any service menu, besides 1234[display] or the one you use for upgrading firmware. None of those can be described as "Service menu".

well I got my 1.10 update in the mail from Denon. I went through the procedure they sent with it and it told me on the display that I had a "disk error". Nice! Since part of the instructions was to unplug the power cord, I had already taken part of my entertainment center apart to find out I had a bad disc.

I guess I wil email them back and ask for another one. Has anyone else had this problem?

Originally posted by Iceblade
Jules,

Fair enough.. I was just hoping to get a more apples to apples comparison between pics I will snap on my screen and the ones you snapped on your FP using the same dvd at the same subtitle point in a given movie. Since I have no other DVI source to compare against... my only choice is to try to compare against your screen shots, hence my wanting to know the specifics.

Thanks,
Jeff

If you post the screenshot I can see it right away if you have the problem. I took the screenshots from Natural Born Killers but I insure you that every single DVD is useful for the test. It's that bad.

Post a screenshot and let me check it out.

Yes, I got disc error, too on 1.10.

Hey I`m another Pal 1910 owner who would like the rest of my pixels turned on!!! i have almost 5% of my picture missing on the left of my screen, seems slightly worse on pal discs than ntsc ones. Any fix for this pixel cropping issue yet??? I thought the whole point of DVI was no more issues with incorectly set up display connections to the projector ala VGA.. I have a hitachi pj-tx100 by the way, no pixel cropping with my htpc or samsung 931.

Jules,

I popped in my Criterion edition of "The Rock" this weekend, but forgot to snap a pic of the subtitles. I'll do it tonight if possible and you can tell me if it's good or bad. For what it's worth, the subtitles on The Rock were MUCH better than the ones on the Superbit Fifth Element I watched the other night. I'll also snap pics of the same subtitles through S-vid and Component if possible, just for comparison's sake.

Robert,
Wow.. not good. I think my 1.10 disc should be in the mail when I get home tonight... now I am wondering if I should hold off on trying to upgrade. Question... since the disc seems buggered, did it butcher your 1.08 or 1.09 firmware that was previously loaded, thereby rendering your player unusable?

Thanks,
Jeff

Add another "Disc Error" to the list. It doesn't seem to have bothered the 1.09 that is already there. I'm going to shoot an email to the guy and see what he says.

Randy

Thanks, Randy. Sure seems like I won't be getting the firmware upgraded this evening like I had planned. Crud.

Let us know what anybody hears. I'll be trying it out tonight anyway, assuming the disc is in the mail when I get home.

Thanks,
Jeff

It appears to be just a single file. I'm contemplating trying to copy the file to my hard drive and then burning it to another CD to see if that helps. I'll report in if I do.

Randy

Ok, just tried burning my own disk. No change. I guess we'll just have to wait until someone hears back from Denon.

Randy

Thanks for the update, Randy.

I assume everyone that has contacted Denon so far has used the same email address that we requested the firmware from in the first place? Anyone happen to have a phone number for customer support for them that we could call?

Regs,
Jeff

Here's the sig from the email that I received from them:

------------------------------------
Thank you,
Technical Support
Denon Electronics
1100 Maplewood Dr.
Itasca, IL 60143

1-800-497-8921 phone
1-630-741-0660
Monday-Friday 8:30 to 5:00
Central Time
1-630-735-1959 fax
www.usa.denon.com
------------------------------------

Randy

I received the firmware upgrade disk yesterday and I also got the disk error. I finished the procedure anyway to see if it would make any difference but it didn't. I currently have 1.08. The upgrade attempt didn't seem to harm my current version. I will also e-mail Denon to see what they say.

another bites the dust, disk error

Chalk me up for the disc error as well. If we don't get a response from the email support guys by later this afternoon I'll call them up and see what the deal is.

Regs,
Jeff

I got my disc in the mail the other day but haven't had a chance to give it a try yet.

Was anyone elses disc an 'official' looking disc or just some burned disc with handwriting on it? Just curious if y'all had a different batch than I did.

Thanks

Mine was a run of the mill burned disc with DVD-1910 hand written on it. My guess... whoever did the burning didn't bother to check his work and made a slew of crappy BIN images for all of us. UGH.

Still waiting to hear if anyone has received an email back from Denon support about this...

regs,
Jeff

Ok, just got off the phone. Was talking to a Denon technician regarding the "Disk Errors" that we're getting when trying to update the firmware. He wasn't aware of any problems, but he directed me to another guy in NJ who should know what's going on with this problem.

He did say that 1.10 is the latest version and that he thought it addressed chroma sync problems. I asked if that could show up as a green push and he said it's possible.

I just tried to call the NJ guy and got his machine. I'll keep trying and report in when I get through.

Randy

Ok, just got off the phone again. :)

Was talking to a Denon technician in NJ. The main guy, Jim, who handles things like upgrades is out until Thursday. This guy told me to email Jim and explain the situation. He said they'll be able to get it taken care of. He's also going to call IL and try to track down where the bad disks are coming from.

I'm going to shoot out an email now and I'll report back when I get a reply.

Randy

Thanks for the further update, Randy. I guess we play the sit and wait game to find out what's up.

Thanks again,
Jeff

I got an e-mail reply from Denon in NJ saying that they were aware of the disc error problem and they would send out a new disc next week. That must be after the main man returns that was stated in RCBrust's post.

Did they mention if they'd be sending out new discs to all the people who've requested it recently (wishful thinking...) or just send a new email with the request?

I sent a new request stating that I had the problem.. just to be safe. I'd rather not slip through the cracks on this one.

Later,
Jeff

Originally posted by Chad0429
Did they mention if they'd be sending out new discs to all the people who've requested it recently (wishful thinking...) or just send a new email with the request?

It was a short e-mail and they didn't say. I would e-mail them to be safe.

I went ahead and did so. I haven't tested my disc yet, but there's a pretty good chance it's bad, and if it is, I'd like to have one already there to try or at least be on its way.

Does anyone know if this is a CD with data or a DVD with data? If it's a CD, can someone with a good disc post the bits to a site so they can be downloaded and burned manually? Anyone tried that?

Alrighty... here's a screenshot of a subtitle from The Rock (Criterion Edition). This is from my Samsung HLN617W1 via the DVI input out of the DVD-1910 (Rev. 1.08 firmware) at 720p.


Also, received the reply from Denon support:

"Hi,
I'm sorry the disc had problems. I will send you out a corrected version next week."

So hopefully we will know something by mid to late next week.

Later,
Jeff

The disk is a CD. The one thought that the technician that I talked to had, is that the CD needs to be burned in a certain format, ISO9660 I think he said if that means anything to anyone, for the 1910 to be able to read it. My computer could read the CD fine, and I tried copying it to my hard drive and burn it to a new CD but that didn't help.

If I don't hear anything by Monday, I'm going to call back. I don't think we need to pester these guys.

While we're waiting, onto another subject. Watched 2 movies that gave me some problems. Van Helsing really showed the green push because almost all of the movie is dark. There are very few bright scenes. The Butterfly Effect is the worst looking movie I've watched yet. Lot of scenes with green push, and in some spots the audio sync was fine and in others, it was off. It looks like there can really be a difference in the quality of the mpeg encoding on various DVD's.

Any thoughts?

Randy

2 real quick questions:

How can I tell what FW version i currently have?

How can I get a copy of the updated FW?

Randy,

Can you refresh my memory on which set/projector with which you are using the 1910? Also, have you had said set ISF calibrated? The green push tends to be an issue in alot of sets themselves, so I am just trying to get an idea if you may have more than one thing going on as far as the green push is concerned.

One thing you could probably try if you have a newer computer monitor is to hook your 1910 up to that via DVI and see if the green push is present their as well. At least I think this should work.

Regs,
Jeff

Originally posted by dvdchance
2 real quick questions:

How can I tell what FW version i currently have?

How can I get a copy of the updated FW?

1.) Push 1-2-3-4 and then DISPLAY on your remote.

2.) Contact Denon service. The email is listed earlier in this thread... as was the code to enter to find the firmware revision.

Next time you might want to read some of the thread before asking questions that have been answered previously... that behavior tends to ruffle alot of feathers here on AVS. Just FYI.

Regs,
Jeff

Jeff,

I'm using it with a 2-3 week old Samsung 5674W, DLP. The reason I'm putting the blame on the 1910 is I don't seem to be seeing the green push from my STB. Although the 1910 is the only I'm running through the DVI, so I guess it could be that. I have not had the TV calibrated.

Regarding running the computer through DVI, are there cables which adapt standard computer monitor output to DVI?

I'm contemplating picking up a Sony 975 and seeing if that does it. I've bought everything from Tweeter and I can have both units at home and return the one I don't want.

Randy

Randy,

Off the top of my head, I honestly don't know if there is a DVI to VGA converter... but for the sake of what we are trying to prove here, it might not make much sense to through one more variable (the adapter) into the works. I just thought that if you had another DVI capable display handy, it might be worth it to see if the green was there too. I'm running the older Sammy, myself. People with newer sets that mine tended to gripe about green push, while those with earlier model HLN and HLM sets did not see this. That's all I was getting at. I'm not super famliar with all the new HLP model numbers, so is the one you have a pedestal model with the HD2+ chip, or is it one with the HD3?

Thanks,
Jeff

Jeff,

The 5674 and 4674 are Sammy's newest models. They just came out. They are HD2+.

Randy

Disc error for me 2

Just got my CD

Too bad :(

Now I have to wait another week to get it.

Damn

Well, I'm not sure that this problem has been corrected. I just got my CD and I got "disc error" also. It was mailed from Itasca, IL on 12/6, which is after the problem was reported to Denon. Maybe they have an extremely slow mail room.;)

If you read further above, the guy that handles this wasn't even supposed to be back in the office until yesterday. Sit tight and look for a new disc next week.

Regs,
Jeff

They said i will get mailed a new working disc next week, so i expect the same for everyone else who emailed them

Hi,

I have a question about the Denon 1910. I just bought one and hooked it up to my HLN507W. Before I had a Bravo D1 connected to the display. For some reason it seems like the Denon has bigger black bars on the top and bottom of the picture. When I played both the Matrix Reloaded and Bad Boys 2 the picture area seemed a lot smaller than what I remembered on the Bravo D1. Not sure if that is true or if I am just loosing it! I have the Denon 1910 set to 720p (set it by hitting the DVI button on the player). I am thinking of re-hooking up the Bravo D1 just to see if that is true or not. Does anyone know if there is a way to adjust the aspect ratio on the Denon? Thanks for any thoughts,


Jeff

Well, I finally got through to the right guy in New Jersey and guess what? He sent me back to Illinois! Unfortunately he transfered me to Carol in Il who he said is the person handling this problem and she didn't answer, so I didn't get her direct number.

Jim in NJ did tell me that 1.10 most likely does NOT address green push in the 1910. He did say that they've been working on firmware upgrades for the 2910 and 3910 to address green push issues.

So, I shot out another email to Il and I got a reply that they will be sending out new disks next week. They did ask for my address again, so if you got a bad disk, I'd email them again.

Now, onto a different subject. The green push on my 1910 is bad enough in dark scenes that I decided to try a different player before my 30 day return period runs out at Tweeter. I got a Sony 975 and now I can compare them side by side. I've been using the movie "The Terminal" because that whole movie looked particularly green on the 1910. It defintely looks better on the 975. The colors in general look a lot brighter, not necessarily better, but different on the 975. I still have to play more with the settings and try to decide which one I like better.

What's nice is that the 1910 is DVI and the 975 is HDMI so I can flip back and forth between them. I guess I need to get 2 copies of the same movie and run them at the same time in each player. I'm hoping I can get the 1910's firmware upgraded before I have to make the decision.

Randy

Does anyone have a Region 2 or 3 1.10 firmware they could email me?

Send me a Pm and i will send you my email address,

I want to compare it to the USA release and see if its any different.

If you put out 480p or 576p (no upscale) on the dvi does the MB problems still exist or do they exist due the upscaling?

/The Reaper

Anyone get there fixed 1.10 discs yet?

I was told that mine would be sent out next week. I wouldn't be surprised if that holds for everyone who received one of the bad disks. I'm assuming they had to identify and then fix the problem first.

Randy

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/regtest.asp

maybe we can ask to get the 1910 listed there so we don't have to wait for cds to be shipped to us :/

I picked up the 1910 a little over a month ago and I'd like to share some of my impressions.

On the subject of "green push" or a greenish tint to the gray scale in the low IREs, has anyone tried to verify this? I put up a 20% gray window from DVE and measured the RGB gain via Colorfacts using the Milori Tristimulus color analyzer. Green gain was actually a bit low while red gain measured near 0%. Blue was the real culprit measuring about 5% too high. On the high end (100% gray window), luminance dropped by about 10 cd/m^2 and blue was about 10% too high. Again, green measured very close to 0% although it was still higher than red. All test were conducted via 24 pin dual link DVI to DVI from Impact Acoustics at 480p and 1080i (Avia SMPTE Color Bars measure perfect across the board). Despite this, there did seem to be a slight green tint in the lower IREs on some material. However, I almost have to attribute this to the source rather than the player itself.

I have seen video drop outs via DVI although this has only occurred once or twice. The new firmware (1.10) is said to fix this.

The real problem I have with this player is grain. Via DVI I see quite a bit more grain than via component video. However, this only occurs on some sources particularly older and lower budget films. Again, I can't entirely rule out the possibility that this grain exists in the source material and the all digital path to the display is preserving this grain. I notice grain at 480p and 1080i while 720p seems a bit soft (probably due to the fact that my display must scale 720p to 1080i - scaling can soften the picture).

At 1080i, grain is amplified significantly and sometimes appears to flicker. If you put up a Widescreen Resolution pattern from Avia or a Moving Zone Plate, you can see that there is quite a bit of false contouring at 1080i. This is likely causing the grain (noise) or the flickering. As far as a shaky or jittery image is concerned, I attribute this to the scaling to 1080i. Being an interlaced resolution, there is bound to be some line twitter.

I watched "Superman" last night and at 480p, some shots (special effects shots in particular) exhibited a significant amount of grain. Other shots looked perfect though. Source material? This film was shot in the 70s so this could be the case. More recent higher budget films such as "Once Upon a Time in Mexico", "Scorpion King", and even "Fight Club" at 1080i did not have near the amount of grain.

Finally, the last thing I would like to mention is the macroblocking. While it is true that some people (Panasonic plasma owners) do see macroblocking, it is not much of a problem for me. I think the key to this is properly setting your black level. Via DVI, I am able to pass blacker than black regardless of the "Black Level" setting on the player. I chose to leave this off and set black level via the DVE PLUGE pattern. I can get the blacker than black to disappear while retaining the other two bars. This appears to be optimal for most material. I do not see rampant macroblocking unless the source material is mastered at a low bit rate.

Oh, on a side note, I am unable to pass blacker than black via component with "Black Level" set to "Off". I have to turn it "on" to pass blacker than black via component. I've emailed Denon about this but have not gotten a response.

Anyone care to comment?

Thanks,
Mark

Update:

Speaking on this issue of "Green Push". If the problem is truly "Green Push" then this is an issue with the color decoder. You can put up Avia's "Color Decoder Check" pattern and see if green is being "pushed". You'll have to look through the green filter (included), but the ideal method would be to disable red and blue of the display. I can do this on my Hitachi, but I'm not sure about other sets.

If you are seeing a green tint in darker scenes, this may be a problem with gray scale. Try putting up a 10 or 20 IRE window from Avia or a 20% window from DVE and see if it looks green to you. Try this via component and DVI to see if there is a difference. Some displays tend toward green on the low end. This isn't really "green push" though.

If green in general looks different on this player, it could be an issue with the display's primaries. On my Hitachi, green tends lean a bit towards yellow.

Finally, one other thing to check is if your display has seperate settings for standard def material (480i/p) verses high def material (720p/1080i). Depending on the input and resolution, your display could be switching to a different color space. I know this is the case with my DVI input on my Hitachi. It uses the standard color space for 480i/p and anything on the DVI input. Component input will use the standard color space with SD and the HDTV color space with HD. I can manually force it to use one or the other though.

This is not to say that the 1910 could not be introducing these problems. You just have to eliminate the possibility that the display is at fault.

BTW: I was told that Denon will be shipping the 1.10 firmware update this Monday and addresses the following issues:

It addresses a problem with the tray not opening, digital output problems
and screen width problems.

I just got a Denon 1910... It is connected via a DVI-HDMI cable to a JVC 61" DILA monitor...

It appears to have the sync problem mentioned in previous posts...

Doing 1-2-3-4-Display reports a firmware version of 1.11

The build date on the back is October 2004...

It is interesting that earlier posts mention a firmware update CD with version 1.10 that is just now being released... Does Denon use a different numbering scheme for production releases versus upgrade releases?

I guess we will see what version they send us after the 1.10 didn't work

Anyone get their new upgrade disk yet after the first round of bad disks?

Nope, not as of December 25th. They were supposed to send it this week but I can understand if the mail is a little slow.

Mark

They said they are experiencing problems with the latest update, but when its sorted out they will post it to the website, like the other models are.

Just a little heads up

:)

firmware 1.12 is out now

any chance to get the file ?

I imagine they will post it to the website, whatever is the latest.

I wasn't told when, only that it would happen

denon austria told me today, the latest firmware (code 2) for 1910 is 1.12

Originally posted by Dazog
I imagine they will post it to the website, whatever is the latest.

I wasn't told when, only that it would happen

I checked the US website, seems that they only have a downloads drop-down list for:

DVD-2910
DVD-2910s
DVD-3910
DVD-3910s
DVD-955s
DVD-5900
Aktis

:(

I found a few things of interest in the 1.10 firmware both the region 2 and the non working one from the USA

There is an option for DVD-AUDIO and there are controls for

Block Noise Reduction 3D Noise Reduction Mosquito Noise Reduction Dot Noise Reduction Contrast Color Tint Brightness Sharpness Gamma Corering

As to WHY these aren't enabled for us is beyond me.

I got all my problems fixed!!!!

I returned it and got my money back :p I bought a 2900 instead.

Originally posted by jtdman
I got all my problems fixed!!!!

I returned it and got my money back :p I bought a 2900 instead.

I don't see how this helps any 1910 owners

No one in here cares if you don't own one, this is for us that do any are willing to help each other out. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Dazog
I don't see how this helps any 1910 owners

No one in here cares if you don't own one, this is for us that do any are willing to help each other out. :rolleyes:
Didn't understand what you were trying to say. :confused:

If Denon is only willing to support their highend DVD players first and not the inexpensive models.... something is wrong. I "did" own one, I wasn't impressed with it.

So, for me to "help" everyone. Here is my list for things that need to get fixed:

1. Green Push
2. Jitter @ 1080i
3. Slow remote control/poor functionality
4. Fix the menus so you can read the entire word and not chop the letters off.
5. Have someone "test" the fixes before releasing them. I work in QA and we would never release something that has not been tested.

:rolleyes: :D

Hi,

Adding the following to the list:

I am unable to get my new Denon 1910 to display *anything* on my Sony 36XBR800 aka Wega FD Trinitron XBR (HD crt) over DVI.

I have successfully connected 2 other devices using 2 different cables to the same television: Samsung DirecTV/HDTV Receiver and a V Bravo D1 (which the 1910 is to replace).

Neither the TV nor the Denon 1910 think there is anything happening on the DVI. The Denon doesn't change display modes [when pressing the DVI button] and the Sony just doesn't think there's anything connected.

Component video works just fine.

I've sent a message to Denon to see if there's anything they can think of.


-Roger

What version Firmware you running?

let us know it could be old and maybe the newer firmware's will fix it!

Version: 1.11

-Roger

i am still at 1.08 so I can't help you out.

Still waiting for denon to send us new firmwares

Since no one in the USA has a working 1.10, let alone 1.11

rnoia,

I think I have the same issue with my Toshiba 46HM84 (Denon 1910)

I plugged in the cable (DVI to HDMI), turned on the TV then turned on the DVD player and selected the DVI option on the player. Next switched to the HDMI input on the TV and nothing. The screen blinks back and forth but no images.

The DVD player works with component cables. I have shut down both - started the TV then the DVD player. Same results.

I’m going to take the DVD player to the store where I purchased the TV and try hooking it up to another TV – I don’t have any other DVI or HDMI devices, so I’m not sure if it’s a problem with the TV port or the DVD player.

Firmware 1.11

Hi,

What kind of tv do you have? (make/model)

-Roger

Originally posted by eze88
rnoia,

I think I have the same issue with my Toshiba 46HM84 (Denon 1910)

I plugged in the cable (DVI to HDMI), turned on the TV then turned on the DVD player and selected the DVI option on the player. Next switched to the HDMI input on the TV and nothing. The screen blinks back and forth but no images.

The DVD player works with component cables. I have shut down both - started the TV then the DVD player. Same results.

I’m going to take the DVD player to the store where I purchased the TV and try hooking it up to another TV – I don’t have any other DVI or HDMI devices, so I’m not sure if it’s a problem with the TV port or the DVD player.

Firmware 1.11

This is similar to the the behavior I see playing the Denon 1910 on the JVC HD-61Z575. I can usually get it to "sync" by sequencing through the DVI settings on the Denon... I get nothing when I first power on. Eventually it gives a "sync'd" picture. In the meantime, I often see multiple images on the screen or the top of the video frame in the center of the screen or a green screen.

When it does "sync", I often get a set of lines across the top or bottom of the screen that appear as red or blue or green scan lines a few pixels apart. Other times, I get rolling horizontal lines...

Every once in a while, it seems to lose everything and I get a screen of "snow" for a few seconds, then the picture comes back.

Sometimes (not often), the player freezes completely. Almost as if the pause button had been pressed... Won't respond to any remote buttons...
Have to pull the plug to reset it...

I'm also as firmware release 1.11. I'm hoping that a firmware update will fix this or I'm going to have to return the unit...

I really like the picture when it does play though...

I just took the 1910 back to the store. Fortunately Magnolia is having their end-of-year clearance and I scored a Panasonic S97 for ~$250. It worked perfectly out of the box with the HDMI->DVI adapter I bought.

The menus and setup are about the best I've ever seen and are easy to use.

When I was there, a guy walked in with a 2910 and said he was returning it because "the hdmi wasn't working".

Side note: I did try to cycle through video modes with the 1910 before returning it to no avail. No display ever appeared.

-Roger

I have a new 1910 with an October 2004 manufacture date and firmware version 1.11. When connected to my Zenith HDTV (C32V37), there is unbelievably bad blocking. I'm almost certain this is the macroblocking bug. However, it is so bad that the players logo background is riddled with blocking when in any 480p/720p/1080i over DVI or 480p over component. The image becomes sharp and normal when using 480i over component or S-video. :( I don't know if the logo is an MPEG still-image, but something is very wrong. There is blocking and distortion visible in movies too, especially darker areas. There are also block artifacts when there is a scene fade. My progressive scan Sony does not suffer from these problems. The 1910 worked beautifully on my dad's Samsung DLP, though I only tested 480p through component and no DVI.

I have read the 1910 threads carefully looking for solutions. millerwill mentioned "Cinema video mode" as a way to minimize the macroblocking. I assume he was referring to the display as I don't see such a setting on the player. Someone also mentioned changing the black level setting and doing other calibrations. I would be very grateful if someone could give me a better idea of what could be done. I purchased an OFA remote to enter the service menu, so if there is any tweak to be done I'd love to try it!

I plan to contact Denon to inform them of the unacceptable performance when used with a Zenith CRT.

I am somewhat confused by the macroblocking bug. I understand that it manifests itself when the display's scaling accentuates some inherent MPEG artifacts. I'm not sure why the 1910's chip is so susceptible, but if the DVI output is set to 1080i, then why would a display need to do any scaling if 1080i were its native resolution? Anyhow, I assume some digital processing on my TV is the problem, but I don't know what to adjust to turn it off.

avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4897611#post4897611
My original description of the problem in the HDTV CRT forum.

OK, Santa brought me a DVD-1910, but I am having a major problem with the hookup via DVI on my Sony KDP-WS550 RPTV.

I am using a Monster Cable DVI-400 single link cable to hook the 1910 to the WS550. The picture in all modes (480, 720, 1080) look like total crap! It's as if you're looking at a GIF on the computer and the picture is only made up of about 256 colors. I switched to the S-Video output and the picture looks fine, well as good as S-Video gets.

I called Denon, but they have the day off... I called Crutchfield (where Santa purchased the 1910) and the tech guy there said it could either be the cable or the DVI output on the 1910. He offered to swap out the 1910 for me, but I said I'd get back to him if I decided to go that route.

I took the 1910 and my DVI cable to Circuit City and the sales guy let me try it out on a different TV there (a DLP I think)... the DVI picture looked exactly the same on that set as it does on my Sony... total crap!

Any help A.S.A.P. from any of you out there would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

Well, try the cable on a different dvi source - cable box, pc, etc. If there is something wrong with the HDCP pin, the copy protection mechanism will cause the picture to look bad. Or, better yet, find another cable at a place that has a decent return policy and try it in your current setup. Looks like you are almost at a solution - don't give up.

SD Diver

Originally posted by SD Diver
Well, try the cable on a different dvi source - cable box, pc, etc. If there is something wrong with the HDCP pin, the copy protection mechanism will cause the picture to look bad. Or, better yet, find another cable at a place that has a decent return policy and try it in your current setup. Looks like you are almost at a solution - don't give up.
SD Diver

Well, I have no other "easy" way of testing the cable, short of hijacking a Circuit City setup in its entirety. I bought the cable online and really would like to avoid the hassle of trying to return it to that "cut-rate" house. :)

Try out a component cable. It sounds like my picture looks like yours. When using S-video or any standard definition connection, it is fine. It is even fine with Component when progressive is set to "off". I'd like to see If the problem follows any non-SD resolution.

SD Diver, That's an interesting idea. When I hooked my Cable STB up through DVI many months ago, I remember briefly seeing a message about HDCP negotiation (failed maybe). I went back to component for my cable, but I suspect that incident messed with the DVI/HDCP settins on my set. I was under the impression that a failed negotiation would give no picture at all. Is it possible that my set is stuck in some degraded mode from copy protection?

Originally posted by mrslacker
Try out a component cable. It sounds like my picture looks like yours. When using S-video or any standard definition connection, it is fine. It is even fine with Component when progressive is set to "off". I'd like to see If the problem follows any non-SD resolution.

Well, I have a slight problem there too... I don't own a component cable. I only bought the DVI cable in anticipation of Santa bringing me the 1910. I just happen to have Monster's S-video cables for my VCR, so that worked out for limited testing of the 1910.


SD Diver, That's an interesting idea. When I hooked my Cable STB up through DVI many months ago, I remember briefly seeing a message about HDCP negotiation (failed maybe). I went back to component for my cable, but I suspect that incident messed with the DVI/HDCP settins on my set. I was under the impression that a failed negotiation would give no picture at all. Is it possible that my set is stuck in some degraded mode from copy protection?

Yeah, I would almost guess that my unit is locked in some sort of copy protection mode via the DVI hookup, or the DVI output of the 1910 is somehow screwed up within the unit itself.

Crutchfield is sending me a replacement 1910 this week, so I'll see if this helps...

Could someone briefly explain what macroblocking is?

Is it where you have a dark or shadowy scene and the picture looks like gradations of black/gray instead of a smooth or solid black? Like what I sometimes notice from my Dish Network system hooked up via S-Video and watching certain movies on HBO or Cinemax?

Thanks.

Macroblocking is usually a result of low bitrate encoding, MPEG in the case of DVDs. With the 1910 it becomes excessively apparent with certain incompatible displays. Macroblocking looks like blocks of pixels and is most visible in flat, smooth areas of a picture. It is most often in areas where there should be a smooth shading or gradient, but instead you seen a digitized-looking cloud of ugly pixels... many, many pixels. However, I'm not entirely convinced I'm experiencing macroblocking because it is visible on the 1910's background logo. The macroblocking bug is supposedly a flaw in the MPEG decoder, so It seems odd that it would be on the logo unless it is an MPEG still image.

Look at the logo (use no disc or hit stop twice) with your DVI connection vs. S-video and see if they are any different. Look around the word "DENON" for blocky artifacts. Look around the other words too, "cartoon", "drama", "action", etc. They all look bad for me. The one with the big letters even has bad coloring in the letters.

I also see these nasty effects around the opening credits when there is a black background. The same blocky haze is around things like "Colombia House pictures presents". It is hard to see unless there is a smooth/flat background.

Originally posted by mrslacker
Macroblocking is usually a result of low bitrate encoding, MPEG in the case of DVDs. With the 1910 it becomes excessively apparent with certain incompatible displays. Macroblocking looks like blocks of pixels and is most visible in flat, smooth areas of a picture. It is most often in areas where there should be a smooth shading or gradient, but instead you seen a digitized-looking cloud of ugly pixels... many, many pixels.

Thanks for the definition. I'll check it out and see as soon as I get a 1910 that displays a proper image via DVI.

Do you remember seeing a poor quality logo background in addition to your other problems? I'm trying to figure out if I'm facing a similar problem as yours.
Thanks!

I recently purchased a 1910 and must say that I am very unhappy with the PQ, and, unfortunately for me, I can't return it. The pq is really terrible via DVI on my Sammy DLP set. There is an overall grainess to the picture that is not there when I use my old Toshiba 4900 with component cables. Green push is off the charts and I can not get rid of it. There is some macroblocking, but it really is not all that bad. The other issues are far worse. I hate to say this, but the Toshiba delivers a much better picture than the Denon. I, too, notice some blocky artifacts around the words on the logo screen, almost like a bad photocopy of pasted up words. I just hope I can sell it on eBay for a decent price.

Did anyone recieve a Working 1.10 update for Region 1

or did anyone get a region free 1.10 firmware yet

or how about the 1.12 that supposedly just came out?

Originally posted by mrslacker
Look at the logo (use no disc or hit stop twice) with your DVI connection vs. S-video and see if they are any different. Look around the word "DENON" for blocky artifacts. Look around the other words too, "cartoon", "drama", "action", etc. They all look bad for me. The one with the big letters even has bad coloring in the letters.

OK, I took it back out of the box and hooked it up again via S-Video and DVI. I notice the same things you do on the Denon logo and the other words, it's as if the color is bleeding or something similar. It honestly looks better in S-ZVideo to me, but that is sucky PQ anyway. Some of the words are fuzzy.out of focus, but I think that's intentional (Adventure, Science, etc.) I don't notice any bad coloring within the letters themselves, only outside around them. Loooks like crap, IMHO. This isn't a $50 player -- I expected a lot more...

I have the same problem

its that denon put in a low res picture for that screen

get over it

its just a picture not an mpeg

"I have the same problem

its that denon put in a low res picture for that screen

get over it

its just a picture not an mpeg"



I agree...I have the same crappy Denon splash screen..but it doesn't translate over to DVD's in anywhere near what that example shows..The 1910 isn't perfect but neither are any of these new upscale DVD palyers...I've tested the Denon against the Toshiba 596 and, w/o a doubt the Denon was better...

The fact is that some DVD's look near HD great, some look damn good, and some look a little marcoblocky distorted...you could spend hours/days trying to get to the bottom of it...or you could enjoy the sub $300 upscale player meant to hold you over til' HD DVD...

Hopefully, Denon will get it's $hit together on this firmware update(s) and fix many of these little problems so we can all feel even just a litttle better about the buying decision..

In any case, the Denon 1910, to me, is way better on my new plasma than the old pro scan I had which btw, I paid over $300 when pro scans 1st came out..

The fact is that some DVD's look near HD great, some look damn good, and some look a little marcoblocky distorted...you could spend hours/days trying to get to the bottom of it...or you could enjoy the sub $300 upscale player meant to hold you over til' HD DVD...

Hopefully, Denon will get it's $hit together on this firmware update(s) and fix many of these little problems so we can all feel even just a litttle better about the buying decision.

Hell, I just have to get a 1910 that doesn't look like total crap via DVI first! :)

I just got news that they will be mailing out my firmware update on Monday (fixing compatibilty issues with the DVI) and that the firmware updates will be on the website in a few weeks.

Originally posted by Bogey62
Hell, I just have to get a 1910 that doesn't look like total crap via DVI first! :)

Me too.

Originally posted by MasterTLT
I just got news that they will be mailing out my firmware update on Monday (fixing compatibilty issues with the DVI) and that the firmware updates will be on the website in a few weeks.

A Few weeks is unacceptable, I mean we have been waiting 1 month now for what 1 firmware to work for our players?

Looks like I am going to sell my 1910 and get an Oppo as soon as they release there first firmware.

I am not going to support a company who charges alot for there products and has crummy Support for there supposed lower end products

I won't be recommending denon to anyone I know, after waiting this long.

I now have a working 1910 hooked up to my Sony KDP-57WS550 RPTV via DVI. I have read that many of you out there are experiencing macroblocking on several of your DVDs. I would really appreciate someone that could direct me to maybe 2 or 3 titles (and specific scenes) that exhibit macroblocking the worse. My current DVD collection is very limited and I'd like to see if I am also affected by this problem with my current setup before deciding to keep the 1910.

Thank you.

I just got my firmware update in the mail yesterday!! It is version 1.12- I was at Ver. 1.09 before the install. Can someone tell me what Ver. 1.12 will do for my DVD Player.

By the way, the install worked just as the directions said it would, unlike the last one I tried. Thanks to Denon for finally coming through!!!

Yeah, but does it work? I think not. I'll bet there's still underscan and no real 1:1 pixel mapping.

jdant check ur pm, i want to get a copy of the 1.12 if possible

Originally posted by jdant
I just got my firmware update in the mail yesterday!! It is version 1.12- I was at Ver. 1.09 before the install. Can someone tell me what Ver. 1.12 will do for my DVD Player.

By the way, the install worked just as the directions said it would, unlike the last one I tried. Thanks to Denon for finally coming through!!!

How do you request an update CD for the 1910? I went to Denon's site and it seems poorly layed out as far as customer/tech support info goes.

email them here
contactservice@denonnj.com

and ask them nicely for the 1910 update cd and also give ur address

Originally posted by Dazog
email them here
contactservice@denonnj.com

and ask them nicely for the 1910 update cd and also give ur address

Thanks a million, Dazog!

Just out of curiousity... has anyone decided to say "screw it" and let the tv do the upconversion rather than the player? The macroblocking I have seen on just about every DVD I throw in at 720p is just terrible on my Samsung 61" DLP. I haven't switched back to 480p yet to compare. Honestly, I see very little difference when using the component inputs vs. the DVI cable, whereas when I played the same dvd's through a PC over DVI, the results were AWESOME. I'm still waiting for the new firmware disc in the mail. The POS 1.10 one that I got pre-holidays is now occupying a spot in the trash bin.

Off the top of my head, I don't recall if you can completely bypass all the scaling and output 480i on the 1910 or not. Guess I'll need to d/l the manual again and see or wait til I get home and dig it up.

Thanks,
Jeff

I am awaiting the 1.12 from denon as well, since no one feels like sharing it.

I plan on making the 1.12 region free as well.

I want to be able to watch alot of shaw brothers movies :)

My copy of the firmware was supposedly shipped on Monday. As soon as I receive it I'll post the ISO up on an FTP site for everyone.

This whole firmware thing has kinda pissed me off. Don't get me wrong....I love this DVD player. Thankfully my Samsung HLN5065W doesn't have the macroblocking issue but I still want the firmware because once in a while the screen blanks out when we are watching DVDs.

cool thanx!

mine shipped out today take 2 weeks to get to canada.

Since my DVM-1815 is in the shop after only six months, I decided to try out a 1910 to see if the picture was an improvement at all.

My only other experience with upconvert was the Zenith model, which was horrible and fair when you could get it to work.

At first glance, after some tweaking, I was impressed with the 1910. [the 1815 I had hooked up via component, the 1910 via DVI.] It puts out some great pictures on Finding Nemo (though I must admit, the difference between 480p and 720P is minimal at best.)

However, when playing something else, say Cold Mountain, there was so much grain in the picture that I have to believe it wasn't the film but the player. Also things like subtitles look blurry a bit, and the picture in general is a bit blurry. The underscan is annoying as well.

I have an old Sony C660 non-progressive beast that I was using in place of the 1815 while it is getting fixed. The Sanyo Z2's deinterlacer is not that good, and the 660 is horrible on a big screen.

I will be returning this player soon - it just isn't as robust as the 1815 nor does it have as good of a picture IMHO. It -is- a big step up from the Zenith, but not much of a step up from my broken 1815.

It could be that the 1815 has an older Genesis/Sage chip that does not have the macroblocking bug, I'm not sure. But nothing I have seen - the Denon 1910, the HK DVD-22, the Zenith 318, the Sony 775... -nothing- has as good of a picture as the Denon 1815. The 1815 gives a flawless, smooth, film-like image with the best aspects of DCDi processing without any of the latest bugs.

I miss it - my theater looks like crap without it. I'm surprised it stopped reading disks after only 6 months of light use.

Sorry for veering slightly off-topic.. .it has been a long week fo fruitless tweaking and testing to find out the original purchase was the best.

Well, I returned my 1910 about 2-3 weeks ago and guess what showed up yesterday? The 1.12 upgrade CD from Denon. :rolleyes:

If anyone wants it, let me know and I'll drop it in the mail to you.

Randy

RCBrust check ur pm!

Group, I'm in the process of sending a zipped version of the 1.12 file to Dazog. I asked him to let us know if it works. If so, we can pass it on.

Randy

If I can get a hold of the files I can put them up on an FTP site for everyone.

I fixed it!

I will make an .ISO of the cd i made and we can share that

that way u burn it and just follow the instructions!

:)

Sweetness!!!

Just lemme know where to grab it por favor ;-)

Looks like denon made the menus a bit faster.......

From 1.08 to 1.12 they seem way faster to me.

I still have jitter at 1080i with my sony.

Send me a PM and i will send u the bin and .cue i made and instructions!

u can burn .bins with nero or cdrwin.

Thanks to Dazog.........

Here ya go:

http://www.zinnianet.net/~dnaranjo/Denon1910112R1.rar

thank RCBURST for sending to me :)

Originally posted by Arpeggio
Thanks to Dazog.........

Here ya go:

http://www.zinnianet.net/~dnaranjo/Denon1910112R1.rar

Grabbing it now -- thanks!

I just read through most of these pages so I'm sorry if i missed it. But is anyone actually having issues with 720P over dvi->dvi. I have a samsung with both hdmi and dvi so i won't have an issue with dvi->hdmi.

http://cgi.ebay.nl/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3316&item=5741879437&rd=1&ssPageName=WD2V

Seems pretty cheap and its 1.09 Region Free for Region 1 and 2.

Can anyone purchase this and send it my way.

I want to compare it to the Region 1 and Region 2 firmwares, to see what changed to make it region free.

My 1910 just crapped out on me tonight. I've only owned it for 5 weeks (which means I am one week past the 30 day return limit at Magnolia HiFi) :rolleyes:.

I was watching Shaun of the Dead when, about 10 minutes before the end, it just locked up. I can't eject the disk or even turn it off. I unplugged it, waited a minute or so, then plugged it back in - still unresponsive.

Has this happened to anyone else?

is the 1.12 now code 1, code 2 or MR ?

Does anyone know if this overwrites the mutliregion mod ??

I've lurked for a long time, but now I must ask one question. Now that I've downloaded the 1.12 firmware, can someone walk though the instructions for installing on my DVD-1910? Please give step by step if possible. Thanks for all of your help in advance!!

Burn the .BIN in Nero or CDRWIN and burn at 4X on a cdr or cdrw.

THEN

1,2,3,4 then Display to find out version you have now.

9,8,7,6 then Searchmode, The tray will open put the CD in, then close the tray.

It will start the process and when it finishes it will eject the tray.

Remove the CD and UNPLUG THE DVD player for 10 seconds.

Plug it back in and do the Version query again. It should say 1.12 now.

Make sure to re-setup your player since everything will be at Factory Default.

Turn the black enhancement to OFF also :P

Thanks for the quick response!! The file extension is *.rar though. How do I extract the *.bin file? I've tried everything... Winzip and the like, but to no avail. I appreciate your help!!

use winrar to extract the files

you can find it at
http://www.rarsoft.com

Originally posted by The Icebun
Does anyone know if this overwrites the mutliregion mod ??

We have no idea did a local shop do the mod, or did u burn an old region free firmware, if so can you send me the firmware?

I am working on making a region free one of 1.12.

Originally posted by Dazog
I have the same problem

its that denon put in a low res picture for that screen

get over it

its just a picture not an mpeg

Yeah, its crappy to begin with, but... Its REALLY bad with any mode better than 480i. I might post a picture if possible. If there ever was an compatibility, its with my set.

Originally posted by Dazog
We have no idea did a local shop do the mod, or did u burn an old region free firmware, if so can you send me the firmware?

I am working on making a region free one of 1.12.

Unfortunately, a local shop did the mod so I don't have a copy of the MR firmware.

Sorry !

Well, I decidd to try the 1.12 upgrade on my PAL machine.

The upgrade didn't work after all.

The 1910 read the disc, but gives the following error :

"H/W Model Error (Video Signal)"

I'm guessing it's because the upgrade is for NTSC machines.

Anyone got a PAL 1.12 firmware disc ?

I got a "disk error" message on mine and it's a NTSC machine. I've tried both CD-R and DVD-RW, but no go.

Originally posted by Nester
I got a "disk error" message on mine and it's a NTSC machine. I've tried both CD-R and DVD-RW, but no go.

Sounds like you have a copy of previous firmware from Denon - see previous posts.

1.) if needed i could send you 1.12 code 2 (pal) firmware, just answer here.

2.)
the disc-error msgg

i just updated my 1910 with nero 6.6.0.5 and cd-r.
there's a handycap

instead of "iso9660" use "iso9660:1999"

it's really nessesary that the filename on the cd is complete

Originally posted by svrmarty
1.) if needed i could send you 1.12 code 2 (pal) firmware, just answer here.


yes please - to paulw77@hotmail.com

thanks

I would like it too. E-mail: jules@nexusmusic.com

Thanks svrmarty.

My 1910 is now 1.12, but the underscan is still present when upscaling via DVI. In fact, I can't see much (any ??) difference between 1.09 and 1.12.

Also, this overwrites the multiregion mod, so I now need a copy of the MR firmware !

I would appreciate a copy as well: gmodes@ameritech.net

I installed 1.12 and it fixed the DVI sync problem with the 50PHD7UY Panasonic. I was using the 720p output and didn't notice macroblocking on "The Rock", but did see strange flashing in the black bar at the bottom of the screen when words were on the screen esspecially in the credits. In general the pictured looked very good with only grainy parts appearing to be from the source on certain scenes. I'll test with more DVD's in the next few days as well as run DVE, anyone with a similar setup know if 720p or 1080i is prefered (I haven't had a chance to watch much with the 1080i setting to compare to the 720p)?

Hi everyone,

What is the difference between firmware version 1.12 and 1.11? I got my 1910 a few weeks ago, and it's got version 1.11.

Does anyone else notice that black seems grey or reddish instead of dark black? I've noticed it a few times. I've set everything properly according to DVE, but it still doesn't look the same as my old player. Everything is a little washed out.

As far as macroblocking goes, I played a ton of DVDs to see if it was something I could live with. I saw a few instances of it, but nothing that would make me return it. Then I watched the Village. It was terrible. Hopefully that's the exception and not the norm.

Originally posted by Nester
I got a "disk error" message on mine and it's a NTSC machine. I've tried both CD-R and DVD-RW, but no go.

Same here. Using the 1.12 NTSC FW from the link in this thread. Tried a couple CDRs. svrmarty's post said to use iso9660:1990. But its a CD image already. It appears to be a raw (2352 b/s) rip from the (oringinal? disc).

The NTSC BIN and CUE files worked for me (albeit in a PAL machine !). I got an "incorrect video signal" error, but the 1910 DID read the disc.

I got a PAL 1.12 file from another source.

You need to make sure the disc is finalised when you burn it - maybe that's your problem.

there's some info about the hardware model in the firmware.
it's also show when you'r in the upgrade menü.
E59E0UD = Code 1 NTSC
E59E2ED = Code 2 PAL

i don't know if you can upgrade a Code 2 model with a Code 1 firmware

Originally posted by svrmarty
there's some info about the hardware model in the firmware.
it's also show when you'r in the upgrade menü.
E59E0UD = Code 1 NTSC
E59E2ED = Code 2 PAL

i don't know if you can upgrade a Code 2 model with a Code 1 firmware

You can't ! At least, mine didn't work.

Originally posted by tjl
Hi everyone,

What is the difference between firmware version 1.12 and 1.11? I got my 1910 a few weeks ago, and it's got version 1.11.

Does anyone else notice that black seems grey or reddish instead of dark black? I've noticed it a few times. I've set everything properly according to DVE, but it still doesn't look the same as my old player. Everything is a little washed out.

As far as macroblocking goes, I played a ton of DVDs to see if it was something I could live with. I saw a few instances of it, but nothing that would make me return it. Then I watched the Village. It was terrible. Hopefully that's the exception and not the norm.

Denon told me via email that this update (1.12) fixes the DVI sync problems, as was seen on the Panasonic plasma DVI blade, and it did fix this for me. I got the disc in the mail from Denon.

Originally posted by The Icebun
The NTSC BIN and CUE files worked for me (albeit in a PAL machine !). I got an "incorrect video signal" error, but the 1910 DID read the disc.

I got a PAL 1.12 file from another source.

You need to make sure the disc is finalised when you burn it - maybe that's your problem.

I have an NTSC machine. I'm 99.99% certain the disc was finalized, but I'll check just to be sure.

The disc was finalized. When burning a cuesheet from Nero, Finalize CD is checked implicitly (checked and greyed out).

I'm going to make an ISO Level 2 disc with the firmware file on it. Level 2 to fit the full file name. Does the disc label need to be anything in particular? The label on the disc image I downloaded is just "NEW". Thanks for the advice.

My disc title was "NEW" as well. I just burned the BIN/CUE files with all the default settings in Nero to a CD-R and everything was OK.

Hey Mrslacker,

It could also be the media you are using. I have seen different CD-R media not work in my 1910 (usually the cheaper ones) so now I stick to Verbatim, Maxell or TDK.

Just so you know, I didn't have to alter anything except the finalize CD checkmark as discussed earlier.

Originally posted by Arpeggio
It could also be the media you are using. I have seen different CD-R media not work in my 1910 (usually the cheaper ones) so now I stick to Verbatim, Maxell or TDK.

Arpeggio,

I burned it with some expensive Taiyo Yuden discs from work and it worked! Add that to the list of issues with the 1910. Anyway, version 1.12 did not solve the crazy blocking issues I'm having with non-standard definition output. The uglyness persists on movies and the players logo screen. :( No one is listening at Denon CS either.

Thanks for the tip Arpeggio!

Right you are about no one listening at Denon. I've sent 3 emails almost 2 weeks ago and have not received any response. I've bought my last Denon product, that's for sure.

When I hook up my 1910 with a DVI cable, the only way I can get it to pass blacker than black is with the Black Level Enhancement set to On. Is the same for everyone else? Seems strange, since I don't like what the enhancement does to the picture.

Thanks,
Tyler

I am not trying to be discouraging on the 1910 but I bought one from Crutchfield and it exhibited horrible picture quality on my Hit 57T500. As a matter of fact it was not nearly as sharp as my old Bravo D1. I recently picked up a DVD-2200 from Hi-Fi buys in Atlanta and it was the best purchase I ever made. It is so much faster at everything and exhibits much better picture quality(not to mention much more sturdy). I guess what I am trying to say is I would not hold my breathe on the new 2300 chips in the new DVD players. If you are within your return period do yourself a favor and go pick up a DVD-2200 for $298 or a DVD-2900 for $488 on closeout at Hi-Fi Buys(A Tweeter Company) with full manufacturers warranty and you will not be disappointed. The SIL504 chips in the 2200 and 2900 produce a beautiful picture.

See Ya
Matt

svrmarty's 1.12 firmware is indeed Region 2 only.

Does anyone know of a multiregion 1.12 ? Or any way to amend the file to region 2? Surely it would only need a hex editor to change a certain code in the file ?

it is possible for me to receive the 1.12 PAL firmware ?

Please thanks.

fanters@hotmail.com

Sorry for asking such a simple question but.. what is macroblocking???

Second one is.. would you still recomend Denon 1910 as a good option for a great PQ through DVI?

Are 2910 or 3910 having same problems??

Asagarra, I have the 1910 and a Samsung HLP5063 via DVI and the image is AWESOME to the point that all my friends LOVE to come to watch movies on weekends, and they all agree that it is such a cinematographic experience. The imge is sharp as a knife, the detail is wonderful and the focus is unbeliavable.

I think that most of the complaints are due to wrong settings on the tv set and in a few cases due to compatibility issues that are usually addressed by the firmwares.

Macroblocking is like when you take a digital picture and you zoom it as big as you can, you'll se pixelation. Well, on macroblocking you'll be able to see little squares on the screen in some scenes, but again I've never ever experienced this.

Take the time to read the review of Home Theater Secrets and you'll understand why I love this player so much.

Originally posted by mariowar
Asagarra, I have the 1910 and a Samsung HLP5063 via DVI and the image is AWESOME to the point that all my friends LOVE to come to watch movies on weekends, and they all agree that it is such a cinematographic experience. The imge is sharp as a knife, the detail is wonderful and the focus is unbeliavable.

I think that most of the complaints are due to wrong settings on the tv set and in a few cases due to compatibility issues that are usually addressed by the firmwares.

Macroblocking is like when you take a digital picture and you zoom it as big as you can, you'll se pixelation. Well, on macroblocking you'll be able to see little squares on the screen in some scenes, but again I've never ever experienced this.

Take the time to read the review of Home Theater Secrets and you'll understand why I love this player so much.

I couldn't agree less. It features underscan and is out of focus. Look at the pictures I posted earlier in this thread. They ought to be evidence enough.

Hey Jules,

I think people are getting different results with this player (as in not consistant).

I also LOVE the image quality that I get with my 1910 and my Samsung HLN5065W

It's razor sharp and very filmlike. Once I got my set dialed in it has yet to show a disappointing picture. Everybody that has seen my setup in action always comments on how clean it looks (Video purists as well)

One thing though, I took my 1910 over to my buddies house who has a JVC DILA 50" and the macroblocking was pretty bad. I don't see any macroblocking on my set though.

Sorry Arpeggio, but Jules is right on the money. I have a Samsung DLP HLN507W and have calibrated my setup with AVIA and the Denon still is not as good as my old component cabled Toshiba 4900. There is a pronounced graininess and the green push is unfixable no matter what I do. There is also an underscan issue and the jitter at 1080i is almost nauseating. In all fairness, though, the macroblocking issue is not all that bad, often not even visible

LOL....as I said results are not consistant ;-)

I was able to get most of the green push adjusted out with DVE (Digital Video Essentials) but my TV has green push itself so I can't blame the DVD player.

I don't have any of the graininess, my picture is very smooth (unless the grain is in the DVD video ie Saving Private Ryan). Don't get me wrong I'm sure there are better DVD players out there but I was just trying to say that not everyone is experiencing the Macroblocking, Green push issues. I also have my DVI out set to 720P so I wouldn't see the jitter at 1080i.

I owned a Samsung DVD-841 and the Zenith 318 before this one so I have seen a few differnet players on my TV. The 1910 works/looks best for me (so far).

I guess it all depends on your display.

Now if I could only get enough cash for the Denon 5910 I'd be set .

:cool:

I d/l the firmware upgraded, made two cd's. 1 with the *bin and 1 with both files. Both gave me disc errors, finalized both discs.

Help.

I have the 1900 hooked up to my sammy hln507w dlp through dvi and the image is fantastic. I do notice the 1080i jitter but i never use it since my tv is 720p. I only noticed the green tint issue with one movie, Troy. Other than that my experience has been nothing but positive. The picture is pretty damn good and if its not, its the dvd and not the dvd player. This player is doing all i need it to do as i wait for blu-ray.

It seems that different displays show different results.

I currently have a Brainwave/Momitsu connected through DVI-D. There has been a lot of discussion around this equipment on this forum. Not only about the low quality of the equipment but about the high PQ depending on each display and custom resolution configuration.

In my case, PQ with this Momitsu is execellent. I don't use any calibration system but my own eyes. I am not an expert but PQ is very much better than several hq equipments I've tried on the same screen but connected through components. (Including a few 5.000$ players)

Does anyone have a 1910 connected to a 42HHA-10 Fuji?

Can someone send me the new FW for denon 1910 1.12 for PAL?

Many thanks

Benbow