To answer Edward's question I doubt you could tell the difference on a 32" TV and the only way you could know about audio is if you listened to both players blinded using the Source Direct mode..


That was what I was trying to say...with a screen that size the 2910 should look great, as long as you don't see MB.
I have my 2910 hooked up to Sony 34" XBR CRT. Looks just fine to me. :cool:

For you and many others the firewire and DL is a "waste" - You spent money on something you are not using, that is not an opinion.
"There you go again." Without knowing the details behind my decision, you've again completely dismissed it. My RDC-7 is supposed to be getting a Firewire update in the near future. Even if it doesn't, my next pre/pro will. So, unitil then, the DACs are doin' their thing.

Macroblocking is a "flaw" It is an artifact that was not meant to be there, that is not an opinion either.
Again. I have NO MB. :p

"marginal" adj. [common] 1. [techspeak] An extremely small change. Most people that own the 3910 admit the audio difference is small and video even smaller or non-existant.
"Marginal" is subjective. If one can perceive a difference, appreciate it and AFFORD it, then it's not marginal, is it?

I have not read a single attack on the 3910 and rarely even a defense of the 2910. I have read at least a hundred posts of people with the 3910 who have convinced themselves the extra $760 was worth it and then must rehash the superiority of the 3910 everytime someone asks this question.

I though I would post this for my fellow 2910 owners in OUR thread who must second guess their purchase every time someone lauds the 3910. Or those who read these posts and get the idea the 3910 is "deep and considerably" better.
"Your thread?" "Second guess?" Sheesh, you really need to seek therapy. I never said anything like you just did. All I stated were a few facts - the 3910 has better DACs, Firewire & DL and an additional video processing circuit. Unlike you, I left it open for Edward to do further research and decide for himself if it's worth it TO HIM. You not only made it clear it wasn't to you, but that he'd be a dolt to come to any other conclusion.

To answer Edward's question I doubt you could tell the difference on a 32" TV and the only way you could know about audio is if you listened to both players blinded using the Source Direct mode..
BINGO!!

That was what I was trying to say...with a screen that size the 2910 should look great, as long as you don't see MB.
I have my 2910 hooked up to Sony 34" XBR CRT. Looks just fine to me. :cool:
I've got my 2910 hooked to a 31" Sony XBR900 via component 480p and it looks STUNNING! (No MB there either.)

Has anyone upgraded their power cord on the 2910? I was looking at the Audioquest NRG3. If you upgraded your power cord which one did you chose?

Wow I missed the discussion here. For some reason I stopped getting e-mail notices of replies. Regardless, I appreciate the debate (albeit somewhat heated :) ). My 2910 does not function as my primary CD player, I have an ADCOM GCD-750 for that which, using my receiver's "source direct" mode I PERCEIVE as sounding better than the DACs in my 2910 for redbook audio. That being said, I can hardly describe myself as any kind of expert on these matters. I care more about the CDs being mastered properly free of defects (pops, clicks, hiss and so forth which seems INCREDIBLY HARD THESE DAYS for some companies. That is another matter...)

My Marantz SR8200 passes everything to the main speakers at full range on source direct. The 2910 does pass a signal to the subwoofer when I use that with the multichannel in on my receiver with regular CDs and SACDs (obviously). My Triangle mains are nothing to shake a stick at but as I said, this is all opinion and I cannot prove the DACs in my 2910 are better or worse than the DACs in my GCD-750.. Regardless, I appreciate the various comments on the matter.

About macroblocking, I've been noticing something recently that may be macroblocking (as I've never seen it before I can't be sure). I had a Pioneer DV-45a before the 2910 that I never ran in progressive as I got my 32" XBR Bravia with the 2910. I've been watching some Star Trek DVDs (DS9, TOS) and have noticed on occasion gray blocks and sometimes other "corrupted" image blocks appearing. If I scan back to see if it will appear again, it does not. I can't imagine that both my DS9 discs and my TOS discs from different sets are flawed in some way creating the same blocks that I see. Is this macroblocking? Is this simply a fact I have to accept with this player and does it depend on how the DVDs were mastered? Is the player exploiting flaws within the DVDs?

Has anyone upgraded their power cord on the 2910? I was looking at the Audioquest NRG3. If you upgraded your power cord which one did you chose?
I waited a while for someone to answer who did upgrade their DVD player cable, but no one has so far. I looked at replacement power cords for all of my electronics, but decided to only do the power amps. I *did* purchase and install some moderately priced Richard Gray Power Company power conditioners, but only upgraded the power amp power cords. My reasoning was/is that only the stock power cords on the amps had even the slightest chance of not easily passing enough current for the needs of their respective components. Beyond the power amps, by my thinking, fancy power cords are snake oil whose only chance of improving the sound is solely in the mind of the person who plunked down the big bucks to buy it. To be fair and balanced, if Fox doesn't sue me for using the phrase, there are MANY who think any fancy cords and, especially, power conditioners are snake oil. And then there are others who will flame anyone who suggests they don't make a difference.

As for *what* I bought, I found a custom cable builder who used only premium components and techniques, and charged only a reasonable amount for their labor. PM me if you'd like a link. FWIW, they do all kinds of power cords not just power amp cords.

Wow I missed the discussion here. For some reason I stopped getting e-mail notices of replies.
From a notification email: "There may be other replies also, but you will not receive any more notifications until you visit the forum again."

So, if ya miss one and don't visit, they don't send any more. :rolleyes:

Have you looked into a Nordost power cable? they are nice, around the same price as the Audioquest NRG3. (I think, maybe more expensive.)

Nordost has 4 power cords to choose from
Shiva,
Vishnu,
Brahma,
Valhalla.
I am not sure which is for amps/receivers.
This one is nice http://www.nordost.com/Cables/power-vishnu.htm
The looks on those Nordost power cables are nice. I like the look of the Brahma and Vishnu.

I heard they do make a difference in the audio. Depends on your setup, some might say. Just have regular old Sony, HK, Panasonic, they might not improve audio.
But if you have Krell, NAD, ADCOM, B&K and Classe gear, you might hear the difference.
(I heard this, the person who told me could be wrong.)

If i had the money, i would upgrade power cords. (I guess everybody would, if they had the money.)

Ever wonder why you never see "shootouts" or even just a simple review of these things? Because that would be the end of ad revenue from the manufacturer(s) reviewed for that publication. Your power amp/receiver *may* benefit from a bigger pipe to the AC and your entire system would benefit from true power conditioning. I have the money and that's all I did. I'll stop there . . .

Edward,

I have the exact combo as you do: 2910 and 32 inch XBR LCD, and I have seen exactly what you described allegely as macroblocking. I have also noticed that the digital artifacts that you described could not be reproduced via reversing back to that spot. However, I have seen another annoying characteristic; i.e., the graininess or noise in the background of only certain scenes of certain DVDs despite the fact that the main character (foreground) is exceptionally sharp and rich in color. The weird thing is that the noisy background only happens to certain scenes of certain DVDs. The movies with which this combo shines remarkably are Brave Heart, The Patriot (Super Bit), The Gladiator, The Samurai, etc.

Additionally, with respect to animated movies, I have recognized that interlaced output via Component provided sharper image with noticeably less digital artifacts. However, via HDMI, despite some digital artifacts, I have seen a wider spectrum of colors. In brief, the video of animated movies via Component seemed to be more pleasant to watch, but the opposite conclusion can be reached with respect to regular movies, where the video is sharper and richer in color.

Let us know what your experience is.

Jen

Two things I noticed about the 2910's PAL playback (at least with my Sammy DLP)

- 1080i mode (or 540p for PAL) jitters. 576p doesn't.

- 4:3 PAL is all distorted unless you enabled the player's Squeeze Mode. 4:3 NTSC is fine with the display's 4:3 mode.

I really noticed these things last night watching the Aussie DVD of Waxwork.

The 3910 has better DACs, DenonLink, Firewire and an additional video processing circuit.

What kills me, is that with the better DACs, you might be LESS likely to use firewire/denonlink than you would with the 2910...

That's my one beef with the 2910, it would have been nice to have firewire/DenonLink so the 2910 could be used as a transport for SACD in addition to DVD-A over HDMI.

What kills me, is that with the better DACs, you might be LESS likely to use firewire/denonlink than you would with the 2910...

That's my one beef with the 2910, it would have been nice to have firewire/DenonLink so the 2910 could be used as a transport for SACD in addition to DVD-A over HDMI.
Indeed, but now you're getting into marketing/positioning. Those two features - IEEE1394 & better DACs - are pretty much 100% mutually self-obviating. If ya use one, you won't use the other! Denon choose to give the 3910 both, not for owners to use both, but as a way to differentiate between it and the 2910. If you want either, the 3910 is for you.

Hi guys!

I've recently purchased one of the new Panasonic 60's plasmas. I've seen a few rumours that Denon DVD's are not a good match for Panasonics - macroblocking amongst others. But at the moment, I have a 2910 sitting in my living room, and it's hooked up to the plasma via HDMI. I see very little macroblocking on DVD's such as Gladiator opening scene, Hero scene 6 and some strange artifacts in ROTK scene two, Frodos face at the cave entrance.

Do any of you have similar experiences with this combination? Is it the DVD player, or my plasma, that's causing the anomalies? What are alternatives to the 2910, if I want audio that's on par with the 2910? The 3910 is unfortunately too expensive for my taste!

I have a 2910 hooked up to an Oppo H79, and I can honestly say that I've seen no macroblocking whatsoever on a 110" screen.

Granted, this is professionally calibrated, and I did have to adjust to get the green push out of the 2910, which was easy to do actually with the hue adjustment.

As with all dvd players and all pj's, the combination is as important as the specific units themselves.

What are alternatives to the 2910, if I want audio that's on par with the 2910? The 3910 is unfortunately too expensive for my taste!


Pioneer 59AVI or 79AVI.

In addition to the Pioneers, the Marantz players are likely good options. Or if upscaling/HDMI doesn't matter to you, try to find a Denon 2900 used, B-stock or closeout. Could be a tough find, but better audio for much less $ nowadays, although it's not an option if you require upscaling and/or HDMI.

I'm not sure how the audio on the Denon 1920 compares to the 2910, but given the cost savings, it'd be worth a consideration as well. The 1920 appears to be a good value overall.

Ihave to say that I absolutely enjoy this Denon DVD-2910 player. However I have a rather silly question, can I put another piece of gear on top of it without it overheating?

Ihave to say that I absolutely enjoy this Denon DVD-2910 player. However I have a rather silly question, can I put another piece of gear on top of it without it overheating?
Not recommended - it does put out a fair bit of heat and there should be at least 1.5"-2" inches of clearance all round (top/back/sides)

Interseting talk regarding the future of the 2910. I went into mini-mag/bb and was told the 2910 has been discontinued :confused:

Ihave to say that I absolutely enjoy this Denon DVD-2910 player. However I have a rather silly question, can I put another piece of gear on top of it without it overheating?

I have my DVD-3910 on top of my Yammi 5 disk changer and have had no problem running both all night long. They are on top of my TV set so there is air circulating around it. I wouldn't put an AVR or HD satellite box on top (both put out considerable heat).

I have my DVD-3910 on top of my Yammi 5 disk changer and have had no problem running both all night long. They are on top of my TV set so there is air circulating around it. I wouldn't put an AVR or HD satellite box on top (both put out considerable heat).
It's not a matter of "will it work?" Of course it'll work. But heat causes shortening of component life. The more heat, the faster things go bad. FWIW, I would put the least used component on the bottom.

Just curious. Anyone know if the firmware upgrade for the 2910 will work for the s-301 system? I know the dvd player in the system is the 2910 guts. Anyone, anyone.

rv

Question! has anyone tried to run the SVCD plasma break in cd with the 2910? I havent been able to make it run on mine and was just wondering if I'm doing something wrong or if it just won't run on the 2910.

Anyone out there running a 20' plus HDMI cord from their 2910. I have been able to get a picture from it a couple of times but not all the time. If I switch to a 6' it works perfect, switch back to the 20' no picture. I also want to run the signal from my 2910 and my Motorala STB through my Denon 3806 but am worrried that would only cause less power in HDMI run. Any suggestions?
Thanks

FWIW, I own both; the 2910 for a bedroom system and the 3910 for a more serious, dedicated home theater. I made the choice for the 3910 in that system *because* of the better build, the better DACs for DVD-A/SACD playback - no Firewire or DL on my pre/pro - and the additional video processing. I do not have a display that's succeptible to macroblocking, so all I get it, "in all it's wonder," is a stunning picture.



Have you tried the 2910 in your dedicated HT system and, if so, could you please comment on any differences you may have seen compared to the 3910?

Few of us have the opportunity for such a "fair" comparison.

Am tempted by the 3910 and/or DV-79Avi but may save the money 9About $500)and go with the 2910 for my Hitachi 50VS810 LCD RP.

Have you tried the 2910 in your dedicated HT system and, if so, could you please comment on any differences you may have seen compared to the 3910?

Few of us have the opportunity for such a "fair" comparison.

Am tempted by the 3910 and/or DV-79Avi but may save the money 9About $500)and go with the 2910 for my Hitachi 50VS810 LCD RP.
I could do that, but my HT is shut down for a month or two for installation of sound treatment and relocation of front speakers. But Specs say the picture should be virtually identical.

I could do that, but my HT is shut down for a month or two for installation of sound treatment and relocation of front speakers. But Specs say the picture should be virtually identical.

I looked at your webpage.

Seems you are doing things "right".

Very nice :)

I looked at your webpage.

Seems you are doing things "right".

Very nice :)
Thanks. Beware of getting your theater complete enough to have a really good picture and sound as you may stop to enjoy it and then be unable to get back at it to finish the little details that will push it over the top. :)

I could do that, but my HT is shut down for a month or two for installation of sound treatment and relocation of front speakers. But Specs say the picture should be virtually identical.

Does the 2910 have the same video quality as the 3910? I always read different things about this.

Does the 2910 have the same video quality as the 3910? I always read different things about this.
Well, that's why I said "virtually." The 3910 has one additional video processing circuit, something called "DPIC – Denon Pixel Image Correction" that, honestly, I don't know a thing about. The main engine, "Dual, Discrete 12-bit, 216MHz Analog Devices Video DACs (480i/480p)", is the same in both. Mainly, it's the audio that's better in the 3910.

Here's a comparison (http://usa.denon.com/ProductDetails/discplayerscompare.asp?compareitem=379&compareitem=228&imageField.x=83&imageField.y=24) of the two units.

Re this comparison,

Digital Bass Management for DVD-Audio/MLP/SACD, High (12dB) and Low Pass (24dB) with Speaker Configuration/Level Control and Delay Time Control

3910: Selectable 40/60/80/100/120

2910: 80Hz*No Delay Control for SACD

How big of a deal is this?
Though I will use it perhaps occassionaly for multi channel SACD or DVD-A, it will primarily be a DVD player with part time use as a 2 channel SACD player.
My receiver has a fixed X-over of 100hz

Re this comparison,

Digital Bass Management for DVD-Audio/MLP/SACD, High (12dB) and Low Pass (24dB) with Speaker Configuration/Level Control and Delay Time Control

3910: Selectable 40/60/80/100/120

2910: 80Hz*No Delay Control for SACD

How big of a deal is this?
Though I will use it perhaps occassionaly for multi channel SACD or DVD-A, it will primarily be a DVD player with part time use as a 2 channel SACD player.
My receiver has a fixed X-over of 100hz
To get the hi-res audio off of a SACD or DVD-Audio with the 2910 you will need to use the 2910's analog outputs and it's bass management, speaker level and speaker distance settings. (No distance settings for SACD.) Your AVR needs to have a 6-ch analog bypass.

To get the hi-res audio off of a SACD or DVD-Audio with the 2910 you will need to use the 2910's analog outputs and it's bass management, speaker level and speaker distance settings. (No distance settings for SACD.) Your AVR needs to have a 6-ch analog bypass.

This makes sense.

I would be inclined to set it up this way regardless. My AVR does have a multi channel analog bypass.

Thanks

I have my 2910 connected to my 2 channel pre-amp via the 2 channel analog outputs on the player. I do not want any "bass management". I don't want any low frequencies routed to the sub-woofer. I prefer the the full range audio sent out through those 2 channel outputs.

Is it set up to do this by default? Are there any settings in the setup menu that I need to adjust to be sure the player is behaving the way I have described?

I have my 2910 connected to my 2 channel pre-amp via the 2 channel analog outputs on the player. I do not want any "bass management". I don't want any low frequencies routed to the sub-woofer. I prefer the the full range audio sent out through those 2 channel outputs.

Is it set up to do this by default? Are there any settings in the setup menu that I need to adjust to be sure the player is behaving the way I have described?
If you are truly connected to the "2ch AUDIO OUT" then you need do nothing. In fact, you have no options for those outputs. Now, if you are connected somewhere on the "5.1ch AUDIO OUT" . . well . . disconnect and connect to the 2ch AUDIO OUT.

The manual explains that when playing a film source, there will be a small "F" on the front display of the player, and when watching a video source, there will be a "V".

My player is displaying a "V" for everything. This morning I watched a little of "Saving Private Ryan" which is obviously a film originally.

Can someone help me with this?
http://www.benrubenstein.com/denon_detail.gif
Thanks!
-Ben

The manual explains that when playing a film source, there will be a small "F" on the front display of the player, and when watching a video source, there will be a "V".

My player is displaying a "V" for everything. This morning I watched a little of "Saving Private Ryan" which is obviously a film originally.

Can someone help me with this?
http://www.benrubenstein.com/denon_detail.gif
Thanks!
-Ben
Gosh, I never noticed that. It might have something to do with your video settings. Check pg 32 in your manual.

I think I have to return/exchange my 2910. SACDs and DVDs are just freezing up as soon as I load them. SACDs just stop and the player displays 00m00s. This isn't happening every time but it's happened a lot with many different discs. It's happened twice with a DVD in the 3 days I've owned it.

In addition, when I start up the Dave Brubeck Time Out SACD, several times the player has sent some loud distortion sound to my speakers. Sometimes a loud "pop", and sometimes some garbage noise. This is crazy.

Any comments would be appreciated, but I really think this player may have a defect.

Return it.

I just returned it and brought home a new one, and this one is doing ths SAME THING!!!! What is going on here?????

A question for fellow 2910 owners:

I'm in the final stages of setting up my first home theater, and have only the cabling left. As such, I've grown rather confused as to my output options on the 2910.

This player is being paired with a Denon AVR-2807 that is driving a 7.1 speaker setup. My overall goals for the 2910 are to watch surround sound movies, listen to 2-channel music, and also listen to DVD-A and SACD.

I can obviously pass both video and audio over HDMI to the receiver, but I am under the impression that i'd rather burden the 2910 with the audio processing (due it's superior DACs). I also don't really know where this leaves me in terms of my musical goals.

any help out there?

A question for fellow 2910 owners:

I'm in the final stages of setting up my first home theater, and have only the cabling left. As such, I've grown rather confused as to my output options on the 2910.

This player is being paired with a Denon AVR-2807 that is driving a 7.1 speaker setup. My overall goals for the 2910 are to watch surround sound movies, listen to 2-channel music, and also listen to DVD-A and SACD.

I can obviously pass both video and audio over HDMI to the receiver, but I am under the impression that i'd rather burden the 2910 with the audio processing (due it's superior DACs). I also don't really know where this leaves me in terms of my musical goals.

any help out there?
Connect everything, that way you can do whatever and no hassles:
2x RCA for Stereo, 6xRCA for DVD-A/SACD, 1x Coax or Optical for DVD, 1xHDMI for video

...Any hoops I'd have to jump through to get this multi-output working smoothly in the 2910?

6xRCA for DVD-A/SACD

And I would assume that I would connct the 6 RCAs to the Ext. In terminal in the 2807?

1x Coax or Optical for DVD

Any particular reason you recommend going with this connection versus passing audio over HDMI?

...Any hoops I'd have to jump through to get this multi-output working smoothly in the 2910? - you'll need to set your levels/delay in the 2910 for the analog connections as the 2807 will ignore it's settings if you go Stereo or Ext.In

And I would assume that I would connct the 6 RCAs to the Ext. In terminal in the 2807? - correct, then when playing DVD-A/SACD select the Ext.In on the 2807

Any particular reason you recommend going with this connection versus passing audio over HDMI? - HDMI seems to have many problems with cable lengths and the current version will not allow 5.1 or better to be sent over it


as above

you'll need to set your levels/delay in the 2910 for the analog connections...

the manual for the 2910 doesn't seem to make any mention of crossover settings... does this mean I should not set all speakers as "small", like I would on the receiver?


Is there anything special that I need to do on the 2910-side of things to get the multi-output to work properly (aside from speaker settings)? Or do I just let it fly with whatever disc I give it and change the input accordingly on the receiver?

[QUOTE=suffolk112000]I am having issues with my 2910.
Tonight, we received two DVD's from Netflix. So after I finished dinner, we popped in the first DVD. It played flawlessly. So we took a mini break and popped in the second DVD and the 2910 would not read the disc!! When you close the tray, the 2910 tries to read the disc but can not. "

I had the same issue, the fix is physically unplugging the power cable from the unit for a minute or so and let the player reset. Should work fine after. This happened to me the first day I got it and never had a problem since.

The manual explains that when playing a film source, there will be a small "F" on the front display of the player, and when watching a video source, there will be a "V".

My player is displaying a "V" for everything. This morning I watched a little of "Saving Private Ryan" which is obviously a film originally.

Can someone help me with this?
http://www.benrubenstein.com/denon_detail.gif
Thanks!
-Ben

interesting, i also have never noticed this.

the manual for the 2910 doesn't seem to make any mention of crossover settings... does this mean I should not set all speakers as "small", like I would on the receiver?


Is there anything special that I need to do on the 2910-side of things to get the multi-output to work properly (aside from speaker settings)? Or do I just let it fly with whatever disc I give it and change the input accordingly on the receiver?
2910 has a fixed x-over of 80Hz - set your speakers as either "small" or "large" (you can set each speaker individually, depending on how low your speakers go down to). I've been experimenting with the settings for DVD-A/SACD and find that "large" fronts and "small" centre/rears sounds best.

Once you've set it up just use the receiver to select the source type you want from the analog inputs - 2ch (stereo), 5.1ch (DVD-A/SACD)

2910 has a fixed x-over of 80Hz - set your speakers as either "small" or "large" (you can set each speaker individually, depending on how low your speakers go down to).

My mains go down to 35Hz..

I have the crossover set on the 2807 at 80Hz for all channels, with all speakers set to small. If I wanted to mirror that sound (although with music, perhaps I don't.) I could simply set everything to small on the 2910, and it will cross it all over at 80Hz..?

My mains go down to 35Hz..

I have the crossover set on the 2807 at 80Hz for all channels, with all speakers set to small. If I wanted to mirror that sound (although with music, perhaps I don't.) I could simply set everything to small on the 2910, and it will cross it all over at 80Hz..?
A good rule-of-thumb - x-over in the amp is at the fronts lowest + 20, so in your case try these options and compare the differences for DVD-A/SACD and normal DVD:
[1] 2910 set fronts as "large" and C/RL/RR as "small / 2807 set fronts as "large" and C/RL/RR as "small", set 60 as the x-over
[2] 2910 set fronts a "small" and C/RL/RR as "small" / 2807 set fronts as "small" and C/RL/RR as "small", set 60 as the x-over

I found option [1] seemed to give a better sound stage both with DVD-A/SACD and normal DVD

Remember - every time you change the x-over or any speaker settings in the 2807 re-run the Auto-EQ

Remember - every time you change the x-over or any speaker settings in the 2807 re-run the Auto-EQ

Wouldn't re-running the Auto-EQ overwrite whatever settings (x-over, size) i've manually applied?

Wouldn't re-running the Auto-EQ overwrite whatever settings (x-over, size) i've manually applied?
No, x-over & size should be set before you EQ - it will leave them as selected before the EQ

[QUOTE=suffolk112000]I am having issues with my 2910.
Tonight, we received two DVD's from Netflix. So after I finished dinner, we popped in the first DVD. It played flawlessly. So we took a mini break and popped in the second DVD and the 2910 would not read the disc!! When you close the tray, the 2910 tries to read the disc but can not. "

I had the same issue, the fix is physically unplugging the power cable from the unit for a minute or so and let the player reset. Should work fine after. This happened to me the first day I got it and never had a problem since.

I really wish I could say that. :(
I have tried it all. Unplugging for 15 seconds... all the way up to the better part of an hour and the problem would pop up again in a few weeks.
About two months and a week ago I sent the player in for repair and it is still gone with no word on it's existence. My 2910 is not the only one I have seen have issues. I really question the reliability of Denon at this point.

Here is another thread I recently started about it.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=670952
I contacted the place I bought it from and they are supposed to get back with me as soon as they get word. Somehow, I picture it sitting on a shelf somewhere lost in the shuffle.



Craig

Craig, you've waited long enough. You have a right to know why the repair has not been complete, and when it will be ready.

Call 1-973-396-7494 (9AM-4PM Eastern time), with all the information about your 2910 handy (serial #, repair #, etc.) You should get Christina (assuming she still works there). Courteously explain the situation, ask why you have not received your player, and when you WILL be receiving your player. Be firm but polite.

I went through a similar experience with a refurbed 2910, and was told the proverbial "we're waiting for a part, which should be here by [insert date of your choice]." I called every week, same day same time (yes, I had trouble getting her sometimes), and made it clear that, after waiting two months, a purchaser reasonably could expect a repair to be completed. They finally sent me a different refurbed 2910.

Just FYI, the problem I had with my 2910 was caused by me, but since the player was still under warranty, they took care of it. Haven't had a problem since.

After rereading your post, I realize that you may have returned your 2910 to your place of purchase, rather than directly to Denon in New Jersey. If so, talk to your vendor, and ask the same questions of him/her. If you get no satisfaction, obtain the repair # from them and call Denon yourself.

Good luck and hang in there. I'm very happy with my 2910. :)

No, x-over & size should be set before you EQ - it will leave them as selected before the EQ

Thanks for the help, oz!

Craig, you've waited long enough. You have a right to know why the repair has not been complete, and when it will be ready.

Call 1-973-396-7494 (9AM-4PM Eastern time), with all the information about your 2910 handy (serial #, repair #, etc.) You should get Christina (assuming she still works there). Courteously explain the situation, ask why you have not received your player, and when you WILL be receiving your player. Be firm but polite.

I went through a similar experience with a refurbed 2910, and was told the proverbial "we're waiting for a part, which should be here by [insert date of your choice]." I called every week, same day same time (yes, I had trouble getting her sometimes), and made it clear that, after waiting two months, a purchaser reasonably could expect a repair to be completed. They finally sent me a different refurbed 2910.

Just FYI, the problem I had with my 2910 was caused by me, but since the player was still under warranty, they took care of it. Haven't had a problem since.

After rereading your post, I realize that you may have returned your 2910 to your place of purchase, rather than directly to Denon in New Jersey. If so, talk to your vendor, and ask the same questions of him/her. If you get no satisfaction, obtain the repair # from them and call Denon yourself.

Good luck and hang in there. I'm very happy with my 2910. :)


Thanks Rijax, I plan to keep this thread and the other thread I started with updates about my players status. As of this time, I have not received a call from my vendor. :(

Craig

Can anyone tell me how, or if there is a way, to disengage the progressive scan function from the Denon 2910 player? I would think that if someone just wants to play a SACD or DVD-A disc, the progressive scan feature should be able to be taken out of the circuit path. As far as I can tell, it is a full-time feature because the display reads "Progessive" all the time, even when video sources are not being used.

Can anyone tell me how, or if there is a way, to disengage the progressive scan function from the Denon 2910 player? I would think that if someone just wants to play a SACD or DVD-A disc, the progressive scan feature should be able to be taken out of the circuit path. As far as I can tell, it is a full-time feature because the display reads "Progessive" all the time, even when video sources are not being used.
I think you can select interlaced or progressive output, but whatever you select will remain in effect until you change it. Why would you want to turn progressive off?

Would you turn off progressive scan if you are upconverting to 1080i?

Would you turn off progressive scan if you are upconverting to 1080i?
Good question. With my 2910 I only output 480p over component and let my Sony XBR910 CRT take things from there. And my 3910 is set to upscale and output 720p. I *think* if you're upconverting and selecting 720p or 1080i the "progressive scan" is not doing anything. Have you checked the manual?

Progressive is only used with Component video output - it has nothing to do with DVI/HDMI video output, video upscaling or audio playback.

Progressive is only used with Component video output - it has nothing to do with DVI/HDMI video output, video upscaling or audio playback.
So if over DVI or HDMI, progressive should be disabled? Or does it really not matter? :)

So if over DVI or HDMI, progressive should be disabled? Or does it really not matter? :)
If you are using HDMI/DVI, it has NO effect. Said another way, it only affects component output.

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SACD problems with Yamaha RX-V2600 Receiver

I don't quite understand why the Denon 2910 doesn't allow multi-channel SACD output from the digital outs, but this created a small headache for me and my Yamaha RX-V2600 receiver. So I thought I'd post this in case others have the same problem.

After reading the Denon manual and realizing I would be forced to run six extra RCA cables out of the analog 5.1 jacks, I went ahead and did so and plugged them into the corresponding 5.1 analog inputs on the back of my Yamaha receiver. But I just couldn't get any sound to output at all.

After spending hours looking in every sub-menu of both the Denon player and the Yamaha receiver, I realized that the Yamaha offers both 6-channel and 8-channel input for analog surround connections. (See page 26 of owner's manual). To get the SACDs to play properly on the Yamaha receiver, you need to plug the front left and front right channels into the DVD audio left and right input on the back of the receiver. If you plug them into the multi-channel front left and front right jacks, you will not get any sound.

Next, you'll need to open the user interface for the Yamaha and scroll down to the INPUT SELECT and then bounce over not into the DVD sub-menu, but the MULTI CH ASSIGN menu. (I wasted a bunch of time in the stupid DVD menu until I figured out to go into the Multi Ch Assign menu.) Once you're in the MULTI CH ASSIGN menu, just click over and select the "8 CH" input, NOT the "6 CH." That will solve the problem and get SACDs playing properly.

The best test to ensure that everything is hooked up properly is to throw in Floyd's "Dark Side of the Moon" and play Track 6 - "Money." The famous cash register sounds at the beginning of the track should all be heard at equal volume but from different speakers in your multi-channel set-up. If you are missing a few of the "cha-ching" sounds somewhere, then you don't have you're wiring right or you are still in "6 Ch" mode on the Yammy. Make sure to select "8 Ch" and you'll be fine.

Also, once you go into Multi Channel Mode on the Yamaha, you have to turn it off to go back to playing all your other discs or DVDs using the digital output(s).

Once you've got everything set up properly, it should sound great. I especially love the ability to go into "Pure Direct" mode on both the Denon and the Yamaha when playing SACDs to get perfect sound. Sheer audio heaven. I just wish it wasn't such a headache to get it right.

Hope this saves someone else some time and hassle. I really wish Denon would have allowed digital output for SACDs and saved people this trouble. I have to imagine that some "average users" probably haven't figured this out yet or may be listening to their SACDs improperly.

Hi Adam, I have the same Amp & DVD Player that you do and I found that the only way I could get SACD working was t go into the DVD setup and switch "HDMI Audio" to "2 Ch" from it's "Multi Ch normal" setup. Then the Denon outputs "6ch" perfectly to my Yammy via analogue. The annoying part is that when I want to watch a DVD I have to switch it back.

Im rather surprised that Denon's SACD support is so poor (SQ is brilliant) - also the SACD format selection doesn't seem to do anything on mine and seems to default to multi channel no matter what? I never had these issues on my cheap old pioneer dv-676a!

djos... That's interesting. I switched the "HDMI Audio" over to "2 Ch" on my Denon player to open up the hidden (i.e., greyed-out) options on my audio setup menu. And, at least at first, that allowed me to hear SACD music via the analog outputs. But then next time I powered up the player, it wasn't working again. It was only after I switched the Yammy to "8 CH" on the Multi-Channel menu that it allowed me to finally hear SACDs in all their glory.

Really bizzare. And I really hate to think about all the poor folks out there who just expect this stuff to work right straight out of the box. They're probably returning their players right now just becuase they can't hear their favorite SACDs. Hell, I got rid of my splendid OPPO player for the Denon 2910 just to play SACDs! And now I have to contend with this!

Could someone please tell us why Denon did things this way? Why is it that I can send every other type of signal (including DVD-Audio) via my coaxial digital output, but Denon requires that I install 6 analog links just for SACD?!? I know some of the audio purists out there will say the analog link is superior to the digital, but I really can't tell any difference. And the hassle that these stupid analog hookups create for some of us is just infuriating.

djos... That's interesting. I switched the "HDMI Audio" over to "2 Ch" on my Denon player to open up the hidden (i.e., greyed-out) options on my audio setup menu. And, at least at first, that allowed me to hear SACD music via the analog outputs. But then next time I powered up the player, it wasn't working again. It was only after I switched the Yammy to "8 CH" on the Multi-Channel menu that it allowed me to finally hear SACDs in all their glory.

Really bizzare. And I really hate to think about all the poor folks out there who just expect this stuff to work right straight out of the box. They're probably returning their players right now just becuase they can't hear their favorite SACDs. Hell, I got rid of my splendid OPPO player for the Denon 2910 just to play SACDs! And now I have to contend with this!

Could someone please tell us why Denon did things this way? Why is it that I can send every other type of signal (including DVD-Audio) via my coaxial digital output, but Denon requires that I install 6 analog links just for SACD?!? I know some of the audio purists out there will say the analog link is superior to the digital, but I really can't tell any difference. And the hassle that these stupid analog hookups create for some of us is just infuriating.

Coaxial/toslink doesn't have the bandwidth for High Definition audio and it doesn't have any copy protection either. Unfortunately HDMI 1.1 spec doesn't support Direct Stream Digital (I think v1.2 will) and even if it did our Yamaha Amps cant decode DSD.

I knew when I bought the 2 that I would have to use the 6Ch Analogue connections (which when using 75ohm coax (2x Component Video Cables) has superb Sound Quality) but I never realised that the SACD support would be so retarded in that I would have to disable HDMI every time I wanted to listen to an SACD!!!!! :( (even my old & cheap Pioneer had the analogue audio outputs on all the time)

Btw, you dont need an SPDIF toslink or coax cable if you have connected the 2910 to your 2600 via HDMI as the HDMI passes both the digital audio & video to your 2600.

djos... I considering using a single HDMI link for passing both digital video and audio to the Yamaha receiver, but then I realized I might have the problem that you are experiencing (in terms of having to disable or play around with the HDMI settings in the 2910's submenu). Instead, I use a DVI for video and a coaxial cable for digital audio and then I don't have to do any recalibration of the Denon when I go back and forth between SACDs and everything else. All I have to do is go to the "Multi Channel Input" option on the Yamaha when I want to play the SACDs.

djos... I considering using a single HDMI link for passing both digital video and audio to the Yamaha receiver, but then I realized I might have the problem that you are experiencing (in terms of having to disable or play around with the HDMI settings in the 2910's submenu). Instead, I use a DVI for video and a coaxial cable for digital audio and then I don't have to do any recalibration of the Denon when I go back and forth between SACDs and everything else. All I have to do is go to the "Multi Channel Input" option on the Yamaha when I want to play the SACDs.

Hmm, I hadm't thought of that, I'll test that theory tonight (stupid tho, defeats the whole purpose of HDMI, what where denon thinking!)- Thanks Adam.

Hi Adam, I have the same Amp & DVD Player that you do and I found that the only way I could get SACD working was t go into the DVD setup and switch "HDMI Audio" to "2 Ch" from it's "Multi Ch normal" setup. Then the Denon outputs "6ch" perfectly to my Yammy via analogue. The annoying part is that when I want to watch a DVD I have to switch it back.



Why? Just use the milti channel for DVDs also. Denon has great DACs and does a fine job on DD.

Denon has great DACs and does a fine job on DD.

True, but the Burr Brown DAC's in the Yamaha 2600 + the THX Cinema mode are a mind blowingly good combo for DD & DTS Audio - Multi-Channel analogue bypasses all of that goodness.

NEWSFLASH: After a little RTFM on my part i finally figured out the correct way to enable multi-channel analogue out on the Denon-2910 for SACD playback!
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Use "HDMI-Select" on your remote to turn HDMI=Off and Voila ..... Multi-Channel SACD play back via analogue without having to play around in the Denon Menu's!!!!

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When I'm playing SACDs or DVD-As, the audio comes through perfectly when I set my AVR to multi-channel analog input.... however, I get practically no response from the sub.

I've played with the speaker configuration, changing the mains back and forth from large and small (in the 2910), and it doesn't seem to have much effect. If I jack the volume on the bass all the way up to 9, I'll finally get some response.

When watching movies, I pass a digital signal through coax and let the receiver decode it.. With the bass set at 5, it shakes the hell out of the room on action scenes.

I noticed an early post recommend dropping each channel about 10dB and turning up the master volume to get an even response from each channel. Can this really be the only solution? If I were to do that, the volume level between watching movies and listening to multi-channel music would be nowhere near each other. that doesn't seem right.

When I'm playing SACDs or DVD-As, the audio comes through perfectly when I set my AVR to multi-channel analog input.... however, I get practically no response from the sub.

Set the HDMI audio to 2CH in the Denon's set-up menu.

Set the HDMI audio to 2CH in the Denon's set-up menu.

I haven't even touched that setting..

is it set to multi channel by default?

I haven't even touched that setting..

is it set to multi channel by default?

Yep, the Multi and Multi LPCM settings don't allow the LFE to pass through for some reason, but 2CH does. The 5.1 analog stream will still be 5.1, but with the ".1" actually active.

Yep, the Multi and Multi LPCM settings don't allow the LFE to pass through for some reason, but 2CH does.

If that's case, why do I get sub response when I jack the sub up to 9 or 10? Are those signals just the subtle frequencies below the crossover (that I'm unable to hear when the sub volume is lower) that are being sent from the other channels?

...and I don't get a "solid" sub response at lower volumes because it isn't receiving the dedicated LFE, designed specifically for the sub?

thanks for the help.. when I've rectified a problem, I find it's quite helpful to learn the "why's".

Adam, I brought home a 2910 last night. It is connected to a similar receiver - the Yammy HTR 5990. The first SACD I put in was "Dark Side". I was underwhelmed. Same thing with a couple of others. I discovered the "2 channel HDMI" "feature" like the other user through fooling around, but I was still underwhelmed even when it started working better. But then I put in Steely Dan's Goucho on DVD-A and WHOA! Multi channel sound in mind blowing clarity! I know the "dark side" SACD can sound the same, but haven't gotten it there yet. I also have Roxy Music "Avalon" - underwhelming. Seems SACDs aren't playing correctly, but DVD-A is - through the HDMI.

I have both HDMI and the 6 channel analog inputs connected.

I scoured both the Yammy and Denon manuals this morning, and here's what I _think_ should be happening - pure direct mode on the 2910 should be used for all hires audio discs. It shuts down the HDMI and sends everything over the analog outs. When "multi channel" is selected on the Yammy (at least mine), it shuts down the DSP and in effect is "pure direct" mode.

I think this, if it works this way, is the way I'm going to go - then I don't have to worry about the swapping back/forth and the HDMI will pass movie pic and sound as normal.

But you now have me wondering about the 8 channel thing you described above.

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Yep, the Multi and Multi LPCM settings don't allow the LFE to pass through for some reason, but 2CH does. The 5.1 analog stream will still be 5.1, but with the ".1" actually active.That is REALLY f'd up! I spent a good bit of time last night trying to figure out what the heck was wrong with the sub channel.

Good question. With my 2910 I only output 480p over component and let my Sony XBR910 CRT take things from there. And my 3910 is set to upscale and output 720p. I *think* if you're upconverting and selecting 720p or 1080i the "progressive scan" is not doing anything. Have you checked the manual?

How does the 2910 compare to the 3910 with video quality....at 480p component?

How does the 2910 compare to the 3910 with video quality....at 480p component?
Not much, if any, at 480p component.

When I tried out the 3910 at 480p component, I was very impressed with how sharp and detailed the image was....it was the sharpest 480 source image I'd seen on my display before. However, I was wondering if I could get that same 480p performance with the much cheaper 2910.

When I tried out the 3910 at 480p component, I was very impressed with how sharp and detailed the image was....it was the sharpest 480 source image I'd seen on my display before. However, I was wondering if I could get that same 480p performance with the much cheaper 2910.
Try posting your question on the 3910 thread.

Schwingding...

Yeah, getting the SACDs playing right takes a little more work. But by using the analog outputs on the Denon (and keeping the HDMI mode OFF or set to "2CH") you should be able to get it right. You'll just have to switch the Yammy over to "MULTI CHANNEL" mode each time you want to play them. After that, I use the Pure Direct modes on both the Denon and the Yammy to make sure nothing else could be interfering with the sound. Once I've taken those steps, SACDs sound pretty good to me, espeically "Dark Side."

But, in my humble opinion, I still find myself thinking that DVD-Audio (espeically the DTS titles like "Guacho" by Steely Dan and Sting's "Nothing But the Sun") sound better than SACD titles. I don't why, but they just do to my ear. And it certainly is a lot easier to pop them in the player and get them going compared to the SACDs!

Schwingding...

Yeah, getting the SACDs playing right takes a little more work. But by using the analog outputs on the Denon (and keeping the HDMI mode OFF or set to "2CH") you should be able to get it right. You'll just have to switch the Yammy over to "MULTI CHANNEL" mode each time you want to play them. After that, I use the Pure Direct modes on both the Denon and the Yammy to make sure nothing else could be interfering with the sound. Once I've taken those steps, SACDs sound pretty good to me, espeically "Dark Side."

But, in my humble opinion, I still find myself thinking that DVD-Audio (espeically the DTS titles like "Guacho" by Steely Dan and Sting's "Nothing But the Sun") sound better than SACD titles. I don't why, but they just do to my ear. And it certainly is a lot easier to pop them in the player and get them going compared to the SACDs!

I played around last night for an hour or two. I did not have to resort to the 8 channel trick you described, but rather simply changing the HDMI to 2 channel and then selecting source direct on the 2910, and multi channel in and pure direct on the Yammy produced quite wonderful sound.

I am still far from thrilled with the bass response playing SACD titles. I realize that with Source Direct the Bass Mgmt is not functional, but I'm not convinced it is much/any better with it enabled. When listening to 5.1 sound from the TV tuner or Sat the bass is outstanding - like a different machine. Either way, I have to modify the sub volume when switching between SACD and TV or even CD music. I find it bothersome.

Edit.. I didn't know "Nothing But the Sun" was available in DVD-A. That CD has always stuck out in my mind as the absolute best sounding CD ever. Can't imagine it in DTS.

I have the 2910 and a Denon 3805 receiver and I play SACD and DVD-A this way:

I use the EXT IN mode on the Denon 3805 receiver. This activates the 6-channel analog inputs. It also bypasses all bass management and level settings in the 3805.

In the 2910, I set the channel levels in the Audio Setup menus. I found that you need to enable the 10 db Boost for the subwoofer and then also increase its level by +3 to +5 dB relative to the other channels. That gets both SACD and DVD-A discs sounding great with plenty of subwoofer action.

When I want to watch DVD-Video material, I switch the Denon 3805 back to digital optical and let it then decode and manage the Dolby Digital or DTS audio stream.

Sounds like you need to go into the 2910's audio setup and enable the 10 dB subwoofer boost and then boost the subwoofer channel level as well. That should get you plenty of bass using the analog inputs on your Yamaha receiver. For DVD movies, simply flip over and use the normal digital inputs on your Yamaha.

I have the 2910 and a Denon 3805 receiver and I play SACD and DVD-A this way:

I use the EXT IN mode on the Denon 3805 receiver. This activates the 6-channel analog inputs. It also bypasses all bass management and level settings in the 3805.

In the 2910, I set the channel levels in the Audio Setup menus. I found that you need to enable the 10 db Boost for the subwoofer and then also increase its level by +3 to +5 dB relative to the other channels. That gets both SACD and DVD-A discs sounding great with plenty of subwoofer action.

When I want to watch DVD-Video material, I switch the Denon 3805 back to digital optical and let it then decode and manage the Dolby Digital or DTS audio stream.

Sounds like you need to go into the 2910's audio setup and enable the 10 dB subwoofer boost and then boost the subwoofer channel level as well. That should get you plenty of bass using the analog inputs on your Yamaha receiver. For DVD movies, simply flip over and use the normal digital inputs on your Yamaha.
Agree totally, had my 2910/2805 combo setup that way since I got it and DVD-A/SACD sound very impressive. The secret is in the speaker setup in the 2910 for DVD-A/SACD - get that right and it's beautiful. Only downside is that the 2910 has a fixed x-over @ 80, but apart from that everything sounds fine.

In the 2910, I set the channel levels in the Audio Setup menus. I found that you need to enable the 10 db Boost for the subwoofer and then also increase its level by +3 to +5 dB relative to the other channels. That gets both SACD and DVD-A discs sounding great with plenty of subwoofer action.


I have the same 2910/3805 combo and the 10 dB boost with an additional +3 dB on the subwoofer channel is the sweet spot for my setup.

I concur that the subwoofer boost everyone is recommending here makes sense for those looking to push more bass out of the 2910 because it certainly is missing from the .1 channel when playing many surround sound CDs.

But, luckily for me, I have an array of 3 Def Tech CLR 2300 series speakers up front in my system, each of which has a built-in subwoofer with sub volume level controls. This allows me to dial up the bass as needed and get that bass up front where I think it belongs. It's another reason I love the Def Techs and their on-board subs. Honestly, the only thing my .1 subwoofer is necessary for anymore is the really low-end bass in some movie soundtracks. And I don't need to play these games with the Denon to get satisfying bass out of my SACDs and DVD-Audio.

I spent another hour or so fiddling around last night - setup the speaker configuration in the 2910, turned on the 10db gain for the sub, set all speakers to large, etc.. and I am still disappointed in the signal that is being sent to the LFE channel.

However, it boosted the low frequency response on my mains and surrounds, quite dramatically, so I don't miss the .1 as much as I did, but my mains don't have the low frequency capabilities of my Velodyne sub, and I miss the rattling of my bones. I am not buying new mains just to listen to SACD. Why, oh why, doesn't DVD-A suffer the same problems with this unit?

AFAIK, this bass level issue is universal. I've yet to encounter a player that doesn't present difficulties when first set up. There really should be a sticky about this, you know, like "why does my 16:9 tv still have black bars?" etc.

The combination of copyright paranoia and Sony's pathological need to be involved in as many format wars as possible has given us a pair of very confusing and problem-prone formats here. Newbies (as well as the not-so-new) need to know that:

1. This stuff can't be passed via toslink or coax. It's m/c analog only, with HDMI implementation creaping in.
2. In most cases, your receiver's bass management will be useless.
3. Bass and time management functions built into players range from the great to the utterly idiotic, so if you're using a sub/sat combo, you'd better do your homework.
4. Pretty much every system will require a way to boost sub levels 10-15 dB independent of the level settings for every other source.

Small wonder that hi-rez hasn't caught on, eh? When audiophiles have trouble making it work, what hope is there for Joe six-pack and the soccer mom?

None of this would be nearly so aggravating were it not for the fact that, when set-up properly, SACD and DVD-A are absolutely incredible. It's such a shame they killed something so promising before it even got started.

I concur that the subwoofer boost everyone is recommending here makes sense for those looking to push more bass out of the 2910 because it certainly is missing from the .1 channel when playing many surround sound CDs.

But, luckily for me, I have an array of 3 Def Tech CLR 2300 series speakers up front in my system, each of which has a built-in subwoofer with sub volume level controls. This allows me to dial up the bass as needed and get that bass up front where I think it belongs. It's another reason I love the Def Techs and their on-board subs. Honestly, the only thing my .1 subwoofer is necessary for anymore is the really low-end bass in some movie soundtracks. And I don't need to play these games with the Denon to get satisfying bass out of my SACDs and DVD-Audio.
How is playing games with your speakers, which are then probably mis-adjusted for everything else, better than playing games with the multi-channel analog outputs of the 2910 which affects only the DVD-A/SACD playback? What am I missing? :confused:

I spent another hour or so fiddling around last night - setup the speaker configuration in the 2910, turned on the 10db gain for the sub, set all speakers to large, etc.. and I am still disappointed in the signal that is being sent to the LFE channel.

However, it boosted the low frequency response on my mains and surrounds, quite dramatically, so I don't miss the .1 as much as I did, but my mains don't have the low frequency capabilities of my Velodyne sub, and I miss the rattling of my bones. I am not buying new mains just to listen to SACD. Why, oh why, doesn't DVD-A suffer the same problems with this unit?

I have the Velodyne SPL-1000 and I just don't have the problems you're experiencing with SACD. I set all my speakers to small, use the 10 dB sub boost with an additional +3dB on the sub channel and my SACD and DVD-audio discs are about equal on the low end. Also, I have the Velodyne amp set at the half-way mark, the same as it's set for redbook CD and DVD-video through TOS link. The 3805 set the channel level for the sub at +1dB for the optical input.

1. This stuff can't be passed via toslink or coax. It's m/c analog only, with HDMI implementation creaping in.
As a 2910 owner, you may not know that "this stuff" is passed by DenonLink3 and IEEE1394/Firewire/iLink.

Wow! I sure a Hell didn't . . .

As a 2910 owner, you may not know that "this stuff" is passed by DenonLink3 and IEEE1394/Firewire/iLink.

which is fine if you have a 3910 with FireWire (denon-link/iLink) + a 3805/6 but the 2910 does not have FireWire.

btw, HDMI v1.2 will support 1Bit audio formats such as Direct Stream Digital (SACD), toslink/coax SPDIF simply doesn't have the bandwidth regardless of (irritating) DRM support.

which is fine if you have a 3910 with FireWire (denon-link/iLink) + a 3805/6 but the 2910 does not have FireWire.

btw, HDMI v1.2 will support 1Bit audio formats such as Direct Stream Digital (SACD), toslink/coax SPDIF simply doesn't have the bandwidth regardless of (irritating) DRM support.
10-4, or one of the many other players with Firewire and one of the many other pre/pros/AVRs with Firewire. I know the 2910 doesn't have Firewire or DL; I have one. I was responding to captdusty who declared "it's m/c analog only" w/o any specific reference to the 2910.

I wouldn't hold my breath for a half-baked HDMI implementation that replaces the present half-baked HDMI implementation. :)

I was responding to captdusty who declared "it's m/c analog only" w/o any specific reference to the 2910.

Fair enough, I left out Firewire. But I don't think that deflates my argument in any way, since Firewire is also not really an option for anyone who can't/won't pay top-whack for flagship players and receivers. If the cost of admission is in the thousands, most folks aren't comin' in the door. Thus, if I may mix my metaphors, the whole thing is dead on arrival.

Don't get me wrong, I love the sound I get out of DVD-A and SACD, even with my *comparatively* inexpensive system. But every friend I've turned onto Hi-rez M/C music has had to call me 6 different times before they were able to cobble together fully functional systems of their own.

Fair enough, I left out Firewire. But I don't think that deflates my argument in any way, since Firewire is also not really an option for anyone who can't/won't pay top-whack for flagship players and receivers. If the cost of admission is in the thousands, most folks aren't comin' in the door. Thus, if I may mix my metaphors, the whole thing is dead on arrival.

Don't get me wrong, I love the sound I get out of DVD-A and SACD, even with my *comparatively* inexpensive system. But every friend I've turned onto Hi-rez M/C music has had to call me 6 different times before they were able to cobble together fully functional systems of their own.
Aye, aye, captdusty. I sense a class struggle brewing here and I apologize if my word selection raised your hackles. 'Twas not my aim to deflate your argument, only to enlighten; at least one poster seemed to appreciate the information.

You are correct about Firewire being a feature that appears on the more expensive models, but then there are many things that fall into that category. I try not to be angered that some folks have as much money in a projector as I have in my entire system. (Envious maybe, but not pissed.) Anybody can drop a wad and get something great. The challenge is to spend a "reasonable" amount and get a really good system. The catch is that we all define "reasonable" based on disposable income and other sensibilities and considerations. This will never change.

I think it's fair for everyone to know what gear at the next level up - and even beyond that - has that their present gear doesn't. Aren't you buying better gear now than you did ten years ago and/or don't you want to be buying better gear ten years from now than you are now? :)

I apologize if my word selection raised your hackles.

No hackles raised here & no apologies necessary. My anger is aimed elsewhere.

Sorry, folks, but I just can't seem to stop venting about the way these formats were launched and implemented. It should have been mandatory that every player wishing to bear the official logos of SACD and DVD-Audio must incorporate consistent bass management and time alignment across all formats --especially since they KNEW these players were going to be mated to receivers that (with few exceptions) CAN'T do bass management with the analog 6-ch inputs.

If they had done it right, maybe hi-rez surround music would be as ubiquitous as Dolby Digital and DTS and HDTVs. Maybe we'd now be seeing tons of hi-rez new releases, plus all those classic album re-releases for which many of us have been hoping and praying.

I set all my speakers to small, use the 10 dB sub boost with an additional +3dB on the sub channel and my SACD and DVD-audio discs are about equal on the low end.
This is another key I forgot to mention. :D

I still had sub-par subwoofer output until I set all speakers to SMALL in the Denon 2910 speaker setup. From my observations, if you set any speaker to LARGE in the 2910 setup, it outputs somewhere between very little and no audio to the subwoofer. :confused:

I have an Axiom speaker system with the big 80-series units for the fronts. I started out trying to set them to LARGE in the 2910's setup menu. My bass output was not impressive. I read somewhere here on this forum that the 2910 worked better with all speakers set to SMALL regardless of their actual capability. That seems to be true. Once I changed my fronts to SMALL, my subwoofer came booming in. In fact, I even had to back off a little bit on the channel level.

I also notice that SACD discs seem to have, on average, slightly less bass than DVD-A discs. Of course that might also be content related. I don't have two versions of the same recording to test my theory.

I ordered two SACDs from A* and tried to play them last night. I have a 2910 running HDMI to an AVR-4306. Had it for two months and no problems. "Brothers in Arms" turned out to be a German import. (Is that a different format and if it won't play here why does A* sell it!?) It wouldn't play at all--I kept getting "EXT IN" on my receiver. I then tried to play "Dr. Chesky's Surround Sound" disc and it wouldn't play either, nor would any disc until I turned off receiver and player--and then the best I could get was stereo!! Any idea what's happening? (Both discs when inserted display "SACD" on the front panel of the 2910.

Thanks in advance,

Arthur

I ordered two SACDs from A* and tried to play them last night. I have a 2910 running HDMI to an AVR-4306. Had it for two months and no problems. "Brothers in Arms" turned out to be a German import. (Is that a different format and if it won't play here why does A* sell it!?) It wouldn't play at all--I kept getting "EXT IN" on my receiver. I then tried to play "Dr. Chesky's Surround Sound" disc and it wouldn't play either, nor would any disc until I turned off receiver and player--and then the best I could get was stereo!! Any idea what's happening? (Both discs when inserted display "SACD" on the front panel of the 2910.

Thanks in advance,

Arthur
You won't get SACD from the HDMI or Coax connections, just stereo. For DVD-A/SACD you need to connect the 2910 via it 5.1 outputs to the Ext.In inputs on the 4306, when playing DVD-A/SACD select the Ext.In on the 4306

p.s. You'll also need to set the speakers sizes, levels and distance in the 2910

G'day Oz,

THANKS!! It's working like a charm. Sorry for the double post...

Arthur

No hackles raised here & no apologies necessary. My anger is aimed elsewhere.

Sorry, folks, but I just can't seem to stop venting about the way these formats were launched and implemented. It should have been mandatory that every player wishing to bear the official logos of SACD and DVD-Audio must incorporate consistent bass management and time alignment across all formats --especially since they KNEW these players were going to be mated to receivers that (with few exceptions) CAN'T do bass management with the analog 6-ch inputs.

If they had done it right, maybe hi-rez surround music would be as ubiquitous as Dolby Digital and DTS and HDTVs. Maybe we'd now be seeing tons of hi-rez new releases, plus all those classic album re-releases for which many of us have been hoping and praying.
Excellent point! When 5.1 analog outputs for DVD-A/SACD began being mated to pre/pro and AVR analog passthroughs, the better reviewers and publications made it a point to criticize players that did not provide bass management, speaker level AND speaker distance adjustments to replace the controls being bypassed. But I don't think those behind SACD and DVD-A had enough juice to spec these no-brainer adjustments. After all, they were trying to get manufacturers to adopt and incorporate a new format. It all defaults, like so many other things in life, to caveat emptor.

This is another key I forgot to mention. :D

I still had sub-par subwoofer output until I set all speakers to SMALL in the Denon 2910 speaker setup. From my observations, if you set any speaker to LARGE in the 2910 setup, it outputs somewhere between very little and no audio to the subwoofer. :confused:

I have an Axiom speaker system with the big 80-series units for the fronts. I started out trying to set them to LARGE in the 2910's setup menu. My bass output was not impressive. I read somewhere here on this forum that the 2910 worked better with all speakers set to SMALL regardless of their actual capability. That seems to be true. Once I changed my fronts to SMALL, my subwoofer came booming in. In fact, I even had to back off a little bit on the channel level.

I also notice that SACD discs seem to have, on average, slightly less bass than DVD-A discs. Of course that might also be content related. I don't have two versions of the same recording to test my theory.

bmeeks.
The 2910 is doing exactly what it’s supposed to regarding Bass Management and doing what you are telling it to do with regards to sending information to your Sub.

What youre talking about is the basics of Bass Management. Please read many of the resources (Audioholics have some great guides on Bass Management) available on the net regarding your issue.

Using the Analog outputs on the 2910, and when you choose Multi-Channel Input or Source Direct on your receiver, the receiver becomes a pure amplifier of the information it receives from the analog inputs - it does not use the levels, speaker size or settings that you may have setup for the likes of your digital inputs for HT.
With this in mind, thats why you have to set the levels etc within the 2910.

In regards to the size of your speakers........
Bottom line is that if you set your speakers to LARGE, ALL information that the 2910 reads for a particular channel will be sent to the corresponding channel only, and the only thing sent to your sub will be any dedicated LFE (the .1 track) from the source material. In the case of music, this would be near if not nothing.
When you set your speaker(s) to SMALL you are telling the 2910 to invoke Bass Management with that speaker(s) and send all information for that channel that is below the crossover point (80Hz fixed with the 2910) to your Sub.

Unless your mains have self powered drivers built in, running speakers as LARGE is not advisable for two reasons. (this just isn’t my opinion)
1 - Lower frequencies take a considerable amount of power for your AVR/amp to reproduce. By delegating that information to the sub, you are freeing up headroom for your AVR/amp to concentrate on (and have more power to) and reproduce the mid and high frequencies.

2 - Advertised vs. "Real World” speaker performance.
My mains are advertised as having a range of 32Hz-20kHz +/-3dB @1watt at 1metre.
The above frequency response for many brands is not uncommon, and it's not a lie by any means. The practical thing is though that we don't listen to our speakers from a distance of 1 metre!!
Speakers may have an advertised frequency range, though at your listening position, due to constraints of 5" & 6" drivers getting the lower frequencies to your ears (important part) AT THE INTENDED VOLUME of the source material most likely is not happening.
Running Auto EQ setups within the likes of the Yamaha and Denon receivers do try and help by adding gain to the lower frequency (if required) though as a rule, they do impose a recommended crossover (assuming a sub is installed) for good reason! Your mains aren’t capable of reproducing the required volume at the listening/microphone position below a certain frequency.
Speaker settings of Large and Small have nothing to do with their Cabinet size!!

Personally I'm lucky enough to have a Velodyne DD-15 that has a feature where with the aid of its supplied microphone and built in software(this is not unique to the DD-15), I can check the ACTUAL real world response of my main speakers.
By the way, as I said earlier, my mains do have the above stated frequency specifications...
HERE (http://members.optusnet.com.au/aaronh123/HT/DD-15/mains%20only.jpg) is the actual real world response of the mains only..

Hope the above has helped get your head around Bass Management with the 2910.

I currently have my 2910 connected to my 2805 via digital coax.

It occurred to me that with this arrangement I might not be taking full advantage of the superior circuitry in the 2910, when watching DVDs.

Would it be better to use the 5.1 analog outs on the 2910, in that way forcing the decoding and digital to audio conversion in the 2910 as opposed to the 2805? As I understand it (might be wrong here...), using the digital coax from the 2910 to the 2805 provides a bitstream to the 2805 where it is decoded and converted to analog in the 2805.

I am currently using the 2805 as a standalone AVR, but will be adding an Emotiva MPS-1 amp in the next couple of weeks, and will be using the 2805 as a prepro only, and would like to take full advantage of the 2910 in terms of audio when watching DVDs.

Any help here is much appreciated.

Thanks.

Bob

I currently have my 2910 connected to my 2805 via digital coax.

It occurred to me that with this arrangement I might not be taking full advantage of the superior circuitry in the 2910, when watching DVDs.

Would it be better to use the 5.1 analog outs on the 2910, in that way forcing the decoding and digital to audio conversion in the 2910 as opposed to the 2805? As I understand it (might be wrong here...), using the digital coax from the 2910 to the 2805 provides a bitstream to the 2805 where it is decoded and converted to analog in the 2805.

I am currently using the 2805 as a standalone AVR, but will be adding an Emotiva MPS-1 amp in the next couple of weeks, and will be using the 2805 as a prepro only, and would like to take full advantage of the 2910 in terms of audio when watching DVDs.
This will depend entirely on which unit has the better DACs. Have you compared the specs for the two on Denon's site?

I've looked at the specs, and am a bit over my head....

The 2910 features Burr-Brown DACs, that can handle 24-bit/192 kHz data. The 2805 does not appear to use these DACs.

I'm not sure if those DACs only apply to super audio CDs, or if they are also used for the audio tracks in DVDs.

Also, it is unclear to me if the 2910 has better decoding capabilities than the 2805. One might think so, as the 2910 was more expensive then the 2805.

I've looked at the specs, and am a bit over my head....

The 2910 features Burr-Brown DACs, that can handle 24-bit/192 kHz data. The 2805 does not appear to use these DACs.

I'm not sure if those DACs only apply to super audio CDs, or if they are also used for the audio tracks in DVDs.

Also, it is unclear to me if the 2910 has better decoding capabilities than the 2805. One might think so, as the 2910 was more expensive then the 2805.
Gimme five minutes . .

I've looked at the specs, and am a bit over my head....

The 2910 features Burr-Brown DACs, that can handle 24-bit/192 kHz data. The 2805 does not appear to use these DACs.

I'm not sure if those DACs only apply to super audio CDs, or if they are also used for the audio tracks in DVDs.

Also, it is unclear to me if the 2910 has better decoding capabilities than the 2805. One might think so, as the 2910 was more expensive then the 2805.
Looks to me like the 2910 should do the DAC'ing.

Thanks, Pepar.

So does that mean I need to use the 5.1 analog outputs on the 2910, and the analog inputs on the 2805?

Thanks, Pepar.

So does that mean I need to use the 5.1 analog outputs on the 2910, and the analog inputs on the 2805?
Yes, exactly.

Azz,

I understand what you are saying, and I also understand the concept of bass management and I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that the Denon 2910 does not seem to have the ability to send bass to both the speakers set to "large" and the sub at the same time. Even though this might not be a good idea for some folks, I still would have thought Denon would allow it if a user configured it by enabling the sub and setting say the fronts to "large".

While I understand your points, it would still seem that Denon would have designed the 2910 to send 80 Hz bass to the sub (if enabled) and to any other speakers defined as "large" in the setup on the player. Looks like with SACD, setting any speaker to "large" kills the sub altogether.

Now your much clearer with your concerns! ~smiles~

I thik it would depend on the actual inofrmation that is being sent to the likes of your Centre and surround channels.
If the engineers didnt mix material <80Hz into the centre or surround channels, as you know, there wont be anything to go to the sub.

I think I know what you mean though - I know with my AVR I have the choice to send LFE/Bass to mains, sub, or mains and sub..

Such is life..

Azz,

I understand what you are saying, and I also understand the concept of bass management and I agree with you. What I was trying to say is that the Denon 2910 does not seem to have the ability to send bass to both the speakers set to "large" and the sub at the same time. Even though this might not be a good idea for some folks, I still would have thought Denon would allow it if a user configured it by enabling the sub and setting say the fronts to "large".

While I understand your points, it would still seem that Denon would have designed the 2910 to send 80 Hz bass to the sub (if enabled) and to any other speakers defined as "large" in the setup on the player. Looks like with SACD, setting any speaker to "large" kills the sub altogether.
If I understand bass management, the sub ALWAYS gets the LFE content. And then it also handles whatever bass content that was in the 5 other channels where the speaker(s) are set to "small." A speaker set to "large" will only get the LFE material if the subwoofer is set to "no." Otherwise, each of the mains reproduce only the bass content in the channel. The only deficiency in the 2910's bass management is the fixed 80Hz x-over. Otherwise, it performs perfectly.

If I understand bass management, the sub ALWAYS gets the LFE content. And then it also handles whatever bass content that was in the 5 other channels where the speaker(s) are set to "small." A speaker set to "large" will only get the LFE material if the subwoofer is set to "no." Otherwise, each of the mains reproduce only the bass content in the channel. The only deficiency in the 2910's bass management is the fixed 80Hz x-over. Otherwise, it performs perfectly.

Isn't 80Hz the THX Spec Crossover point?

Isn't 80Hz the THX Spec Crossover point?
Yes, it is, and it's the one that I use because I have a THX speaker system that's designed to be crossed at 80Hz. But some folks like to choose a different point for systems that they feel can handle more (or less) bass from the mains.

Should your sig say "Multifunction?"

Thanks Pepar!

The 2910/2805 combo sounds much better when using the 2910's DACs and decoder for DVD movies. I'm now using the 5.1 analog outs, after setting all the parameters in the Audio portion of Setup. I've got the 2805 set to Ext In, and I'm running the 2910 in Pure Direct with the digital audio circuitry off, and the display off. The sound is MUCH fuller, and both DD and DTS sound great.

Thanks again.

Bob

Hello There!

i just bought a SACD version of the original music from War of the worlds (Jeff waynes)...anyway, my DVD-2910 plays it, however no sound comes through! I have tested the same CD on other normal CD players and better versions of the Denon, and it works fine. Can anyone help me with settings that I may hav missed...I feel that i have tried everything.

Thanks.

Hello There!

i just bought a SACD version of the original music from War of the worlds (Jeff waynes)...anyway, my DVD-2910 plays it, however no sound comes through! I have tested the same CD on other normal CD players and better versions of the Denon, and it works fine. Can anyone help me with settings that I may hav missed...I feel that i have tried everything.

Thanks.

I suggest you go back thru the last 5 or so pages of this Topic.

I just picked up at 2910 from Twtr on clearance sale for a great great deal. Very very pleased with the player so far. I went through about 8 dvd players trying to find one with HDMI that would handle my DVD-R's and DVD+R DL without issues. This one finally did it!

I have my DVD-2910 connected to my AVR-3803 via the analog outs for DVDA and SACD playback. The 2910's speaker configuration has all speaker channels set to small; sub is on with +10 boost enabled (the 3803 has its own Ext. In SW boost option but I leave that to 0). Sound is excellent. Can anyone tell me exactly what turning on the 2910's "Bass Enhancer" option will do for me? The 2910's manual is vague as to exactly what this feature provides. Thanks.

As I understand it, the bass enhancer option moves bass from the mains to the sub for two channel sources. I have it turned off. When I had it turned on, and was using the analog connections for movies, the two channel music that played when the movie's menu was displayed had way too much bass.

Their is a nice review on Audioholics that goes over the setup of the 2910 in detail. This is the link:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/DenonDVD-2910Review2.php

[QUOTE=rjustice4]As I understand it, the bass enhancer option moves bass from the mains to the sub for two channel sources. I have it turned off. When I had it turned on, and was using the analog connections for movies, the two channel music that played when the movie's menu was displayed had way too much bass.
[QUOTE]

Thanks Justice. I read over the setup link and it proved helpful. The way I understand it, the bass enhancer feature for two channel sources will only affect the analog outputs. I'm expecting it to do nothing to the digital out. Am I on the right track? For digital sources, I have the 3803 set up to do all the processing.

I think that's right. I've only noticed the boost when using analog. It was kind of funny when it happened. I booted up a movie, and found myself thinking "Wow, that's too much bass". The problem went away as soon as the movie started, and the audio switched to multi-channel. I have never noticed an impact on the digital output.

Is the Denon 2910 prone to MB-enhance on the Sony SXRD RPTV?

I have both. No problems.

Is the Denon 2910 prone to MB-enhance on the Sony SXRD RPTV?

I have both. No problems

I have both. No problemsThanks. Can you also confirm that the 2910...
(a) will play PAL DVDs.
(b) has PAL-to-NTSC conversion (the SXRD won't accept PAL signals).
(c) can be made region free real easily.
(d) does not have the 2:2 Cadence "deficiency" for PAL like the Oppo 970 and other PAL-capable players.
I've been trying cheaper players from Yamaha, Philips, etc. that play PAL DVDs, do PAL-to-NTSC conversion and can easily be made region free but I'm overall not to thrilled with them so I'm reconsidering getting a much better payer like the 2910 and also benefit fro DVD-A and SA-CD and HDMI. I'm also considering the Oppo 970.

Thanks. Can you also confirm that the 2910...
(a) will play PAL DVDs. - yes
(b) has PAL-to-NTSC conversion (the SXRD won't accept PAL signals). - yes
(c) can be made region free real easily. - yes
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/
(d) does not have the 2:2 Cadence "deficiency" for PAL like the Oppo 970 and other PAL-capable players. - correct

Great all round player

Great all round player

I second that Motion. :cool:

I have a new 2910, cannot get it to recognize my Toshiba 56MX195 via HDMI. Anyone out there experienced a similar problem?? Jack

I have a new 2910, cannot get it to recognize my Toshiba 56MX195 via HDMI. Anyone out there experienced a similar problem?? Jack
What do you mean by "recognize?"

What do you mean by "recognize?"
When I select the HDMI Y Pb Cr setting with the HDMI/DVI Select Button, the display flashes a green (I think) "Connecting" light. It just keeps on flashing and never connects. I have not been able to establish either a video or audio connect between my Toshiba 56MX195 and the Denon 2910 via HDMI. The only other source component I have is my DISH HD622 Reciever and the HDMI connection does work with this source. Thanks..Jack :)

When I select the HDMI Y Pb Cr setting with the HDMI/DVI Select Button, the display flashes a green (I think) "Connecting" light. It just keeps on flashing and never connects. I have not been able to establish either a video or audio connect between my Toshiba 56MX195 and the Denon 2910 via HDMI. The only other source component I have is my DISH HD622 Reciever and the HDMI connection does work with this source. Thanks..Jack :)
Hi Jack - The Dish HDMI doesn't work either? Are you using a pre/pro or AVR to switch HDMI? If so, have you tried running either source directly to the display? There is an issue with switching HDMI that is particularly troublesome with cable boxes. Here is an interesting article on Audioholics about it - http://forums.audioholics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21194

Pepar, the DISH HDMI does work. I run HDMI direct from dish receiver to the tv and no problem. I tried to run direct from the 2910 to the tv. NO Luck..

Pepar, the DISH HDMI does work. I run HDMI direct from dish receiver to the tv and no problem. I tried to run direct from the 2910 to the tv. NO Luck..

There's another HDMI setting besides HDMI Y Pb Cr, isn't there? Have you tried that? Does you display accept the format you have selected as output on the 2910?

There's another HDMI setting besides HDMI Y Pb Cr, isn't there? Have you tried that?
HDMI RGB - outputs RGB signals from the HDMI connector

I just ordered a refurb 2910 off of Ubid. I'll be using this for DVD upconverting instead of my HTPC, connecting with DVI (moving HTPC to my DLP's VGA input). I'm looking forward to the STB ease and stability for DVDs, along with the SACD/HDCD/DVD-A, etc. format compatibility.

It's also good to see it can be made to play discs from other regions, which I have a few of.

Any setup issues I should be aware of using DVI, etc.? I am pretty into calibration, but are there recommended tweaks within the 2910 itself before calibrating my DLP itself?

Also, are there any known issues (chroma bug, MB, etc.) that I will have to watch out for?


Thanks.

One thing I'm wondering about:

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/DenonDVD-2910Review5.php
It says the reviewer couldn't tell the difference between 480p component and 1080 DVI.

Is it just a matter of trial/error to see which looks better on your own display? Are there any output-specific issues like I've seen on other players, where component will be okay but DVI will have crushed xxx or won't pass BTB or anything?



ALSO

Does the same trial/error apply to using the digital audio output versus 5.1 analog for DD/DTS? I have a HK 330, which has standard 192/24 DACs IIRC, but the ones in the 2910 might be better. The 2910 seems to offer my xo point (80Hz) and enough delay, etc. settings to match my receiver.

Does anyone prefer using the analog outs on the 2910 over their own receiver?

Cyber,

MB is a problem with a DLP and the 2910.
I moved mine to a Sony CRT and it was fine.
Stay away from Faroudja with a DLP if you can.

With upconverting players set the output to your dlsplay's NR.
This is usually best, but you can experiment for fun.

Any reviewer that says there is no difference between 480p and 1080i is an idiot...or blind. ;)

As far digital audio outputs vs. analog 5.1, it really comes down to whether the DACs in your receiver (when you output digital from the 2910) are superior to those in the 2910 (when you output analog from the player).
That is something you have to determine with your own ears.

I have tried every option. The Toshiba 56MX195 gives no indication that the DENON is connected. All is good when using component connections. It's just a no go with the HDMI..

I have tried every option. The Toshiba 56MX195 gives no indication that the DENON is connected. All is good when using component connections. It's just a no go with the HDMI..
Do you have another display to which you can hook the 2910 to verify operation?

Thanks Pepar!

The 2910/2805 combo sounds much better when using the 2910's DACs and decoder for DVD movies. I'm now using the 5.1 analog outs, after setting all the parameters in the Audio portion of Setup. I've got the 2805 set to Ext In, and I'm running the 2910 in Pure Direct with the digital audio circuitry off, and the display off. The sound is MUCH fuller, and both DD and DTS sound great.

Thanks again.

Bob

I could be wrong here, but I believe that you if run the 2910 in pure direct, you are defeating the crossover and level/distance adjustments that you worked so hard to get right.

I could be wrong here, but I believe that you if run the 2910 in pure direct, you are defeating the crossover and level/distance adjustments that you worked so hard to get right.
I read that, too, and thought "2910" was a typo and the poster actually meant the 2805 was in Pure Direct. What the heck does Pure Direct actually mean in a device that needs digital circuitry to get the signal off the disc?

I think pure direct (all off) is basically the same as selecting "source direct" where you want the speaker settings and bass mgmt to be handled by a preamp. Unfortunately, my 3805 can't do any bass mgmt via the EXT IN. But I was just looking at the manual and it is not clear on this. Maybe pure direct is only shutting off the VIDEO circuitry, but maintaining the speaker settings/dist./x-over. Also I can't get a definitive answer if putting the 3805 in pure direct while using the EXT IN defeats the settings in the player. Just to be safe, and protect my sat's, I don't use any of the direct modes, but I would like to know what's going on.

Sorry for the confusion on this, guys.

What I meant to say is that on the 2910 I've selected a Pure Direct Memory mode, where I've turned digital audio signals off, left video signal on, and turned the 2910 display off.

The 2910 manual suggested:

"only outputting audio signals in order to keep interference from the digital output circuitry to a minimum and allow you to engoy high-quality multi-channel sound thanks to the high-bit, high sampling frequency."

On the 2805, EXT in has been selected, and Pure Direct mode has been selected.

The 2805 manual suggested:

"When this mode is set, all the video-related circuts are turned off so that music signals can be reproduced with high quality. When an analog mode is selected, the digital processing circuitry is also turned off to achieve analog sound with even higher purity."

I'm still deciding if I like the analog output on the 2910 better than the digital output on the 2910, when watching movies. Even after adding the external amp, the dialogue seems to be a lot crisper when I use the analog outs. However, the bass seems better with the digital outs. It also seems to vary a bit from movie to movie. I'm going to watch a movie tonight with analog out, and a little higher output on the bass channel.

The manual for my 3910/3805 combo states the same information, which would seem to suggest that the bass management is still active in the player while in pure direct, but it doesn't specifically say it, and others on the 3910 thread have mantained that the settings for level/dist/x-over are defeated in pure direct. I assume that whatever it is, it's the same for the 2910

I would imagine that one of the four modes must be selected: Normal, Mode 1, Mode 2, or all off. Are you suggesting a setting of Normal?

I'm not really in a position to suggest anything, as I say I'm not sure what is happening when you select pure direct. I'm just saying that until I get a definitive answer, I don't feel comfortable using the "all off" mode on the player, or the pure direct mode on the receiver.

My original thought was that if I was using the 5.1 outs on the 3910, that I should put the receiver in pure direct to "limit digital interference" like the manual says. But after reading some posts on the 3910 thread, I'm not so sure.

Thanks for the tip. I took a look at the 2805 manual, and it seems to imply that Pure Direct applies to 2 channel music playback, not necessarily 5.1 channel playback. I'll try turning Pure Direct off on the 2805, and set the 2910 to Normal and see what happens.

Just gave a quick try with the Pure Direct set to off on the 2805, and the Pure Direct set to Normal (all on) on the 2910, and the bass is back, in a big way. This might be the way to go. Thanks zyoung.

(By the way, I sent a couple of emails to Denon about a week ago with questions on this. No reply. I guess you're left to the forums to figure all this out. This is one of the reasons I buy from botique manufacturers when I can. If I had a question like this about a product from AV123 (Emotiva, Rockets, etc...), I'd get a personal email from the founder in hours. Had the same great service from SVS. Had a stupid question about their subs, and got an email from the founder within minutes. Couldn't figure out what kind of screen to get, spoke with the founder of Carada.....)

Cyber,

MB is a problem with a DLP and the 2910.
I moved mine to a Sony CRT and it was fine.
Stay away from Faroudja with a DLP if you can.

With upconverting players set the output to your dlsplay's NR.
This is usually best, but you can experiment for fun.

Any reviewer that says there is no difference between 480p and 1080i is an idiot...or blind. ;)

As far digital audio outputs vs. analog 5.1, it really comes down to whether the DACs in your receiver (when you output digital from the 2910) are superior to those in the 2910 (when you output analog from the player).
That is something you have to determine with your own ears.


Thanks.

I'll just have to see how it turns out. My main upgrade is for audio, to get HDCD, SACD, DVD-A, etc. The added stability of a STB upconverting player will be nice, compared to the occasional dropped frames, etc. I get with my HTPC (although it has stunning PQ). I may also be getting some distortions in the digital audio with the HTPC, although I'm not sure. If the PQ is pretty good (even with maybe a bit of MB) over DVI, I'll be able to use it for both my CDs and DVDs full-time and replace a low-end Panasonic modded region free player and a Toshiba DVD/CD-changer. Hopefully even the region-disable code will work with it too, so I can watch non-R1 discs without the HTPC too.

Yes, I think I'll have fun re-calibrating and experimenting with the different settings.

Aren't the Pure Direct settings explained pretty clearly in the manual? I don't have mine yet, but I read through the manual pdf yesterday in anticipation.

My comments were more in regard to the 2805 than the 2910, and the general lack of response from Denon. Not a big deal though....as long as you have forums...

Just gave a quick try with the Pure Direct set to off on the 2805, and the Pure Direct set to Normal (all on) on the 2910, and the bass is back, in a big way. This might be the way to go. Thanks zyoung.



Yeah, I had similar problems with my 3910, and discovered that it has to do with what connections you use. If you pass the signal digitally to the receiver, then all those settings in the player are inactive, the receiver does the dist/x-over. But if you use the 5.1 ch outs, and have any of the speaker settings in the player set to large, you lose bass. Also, it seems like you lose the crossover in the player when you set it to "all off" (possibly sending a full range signal to all active channels), then consequently all your sub will get is a dedicated LFE channel. Since music (with the exception of some of the hi-rez stuff) doesn't have an LFE channel, you end up with a huge frequency hole if you have a sub/sat combo like me.

I'm still mostly speculating here, but that seems like what's going on in my room. And like you said, gettin' an answer from Denon is like pullin' teeth. The manual isn't much help either.

Do you have another display to which you can hook the 2910 to verify operation?
I guess I'm going to be forced to take it back to my dealer to see if if works on another display. My Tosh 56MX195 is the only display I have that has HDMI inputs..Thanks for trying all...Jack

I guess I'm going to be forced to take it back to my dealer to see if if works on another display. My Tosh 56MX195 is the only display I have that has HDMI inputs..Thanks for trying all...Jack

Just curious, what brand of HDMI cable are you using? I ask because when I first got my 3910 and tried to pass HDMI to my Sony TV (with a Monster Cable HDMI), I could not get a signal. Swapped players, then TV's, no luck. Then finally I got an Audioquest HDMI cable... never had a problem since.

Aren't the Pure Direct settings explained pretty clearly in the manual? I don't have mine yet, but I read through the manual pdf yesterday in anticipation.

Reasonably clear...the manual itself is fairly comprehensive (Denons typically are).

You won't find problems with dropped frames or distorted audio.
This is a smooth machine...not many hiccups (excepting MB, of course).
I think you will be impressed...at this price this is a very full featured player with good build-quality.

Oh, and there is a region-free hack for it. ;)

. Also, it seems like you lose the crossover in the player when you set it to "all off" (possibly sending a full range signal to all active channels), then consequently all your sub will get is a dedicated LFE channel. Since music (with the exception of some of the hi-rez stuff) doesn't have an LFE channel, you end up with a huge frequency hole if you have a sub/sat combo like me.



I wish to retract this statement, after further investigation, it seems that what I was losing was not the x-over, but the "EXT. IN Subwoofer Level" setting on the receiver (when it was set to Pure Direct). It was set to +10dB, so I set it to 0dB, then set the Subwoofer Level setting in the PLAYER to +10dB.

Now I'm running the player and the receiver in Pure Direct and am still getting a x-over at 80hz.

Jeez, you would think that after a year and a half, I'd have figured this out by now!

Anyone know what value and type of fuse is inside the 2910?

Any idea why a 2910 would suddenly stop recognizing DVD-A discs? It still picks up SACDs as advertised.

Any idea why a 2910 would suddenly stop recognizing DVD-A discs? It still picks up SACDs as advertised.
It just doesn't recognize the disc at all? Hmmm...I'd SWAG a laser alignment issue, but that's just a guess.

My 2910 started skipping on many SACDs, a couple DVD-As and wouldn't recognize dual-discs at all (DVD-A side - I never tried the CD side). After reading about some issues with laser alignment on the 3910 thread I became convinced that was likely the issue, but since it played DVDs fine I haven't had it fixed as of yet. I just switched it to a TV where I needed an upscaling DVD player and got a 2900 cheap for DVD-A/SACD duty.

If you'd happen to still be under warranty I'd contact Denon about getting it fixed ASAP. I still haven't decided if I should go ahead and try to get mine fixed or just enjoy it for DVDs and not worry about the hi-res audio limitations in that system.

Using DVI and up-converting, am I correct in thinking that this will completely bypass the 12-bit, 216-MHz video D/A converters? Isn't that some fancy hardware to put into an upconverting player, since it probably won't be used?


Also, I picked up 2 sets of Philips-brand "HD" component cables today for the 6 analog audio outputs. These will work fine, right? I didn't want to go with basic black composite video + l/r cables and risk compromising the sound after I paid so much for the player.

Hi all,

I'm in the position now of having to decide to either fix my 2900, on which the disc drawer no longer opens or closes (and is in fact sitting some where in between) or purchase another player like a 2910 perhaps? Does anyone have any experience with Denon service and how costly is out of warranty service? I've been researching on the 2910 and I see a lot of people unhappy with the unit for various reasons, mostly macroblocking I think. Is that more likely to show up on a particular type of display?

Anyways, the 2900 had been a very good player except for it's annoying quirks so I'd want something at least as good. Actually, it's kind of strange that of all the DVD players I've purchased, the most expensive one, the DENON, is the ONLY one that has failed. And that includes some REALLY cheap old players that still work. Kinda makes ya wonder!

So what ya think, repair or replace?

Thanks!

Tom

Hey Riff. I not only have a 2910 but I've also recently had to have that same 2910 repaired by Denon's factory repair division in NJ. It was out 2 months for repair and cost me $200. I forget what part went but the 2910 was only a year old prior to going. My 2910 developed a problem in which it would start skipping (dvd's and cd's) after about a half hour of play. Anyway, I must say that I was not pleased with Denon's repair service on some counts. They seem to have fixed the problem OK and I wasn't so much upset with the fact that I was without the unit for months. I was unhappy however with the fact that I could never get any answers from the repair facility as to what was going on with my unit. Their customer service division never could tell me exactly what was being done and at what point I could expect my unit back. Oh well, I must admit I do love my 2910 player and missed it so while it was gone. It's a great universal player with many excellent features. I love the fact that it converts PAL to NTSC for my TV.

See, I'm a little concerned since I've seen quite a few posts about people having to send their 2910's in for repair. How common is this? I know we tend to see more of the "problems" on a thread like this but I'm seriously starting to question Denon reliability. I was ready to drop the money for a 2910 but now...maybe I need to look at other brands.

Thanks for the feedback!

Tom

So what ya think, repair or replace?




Replace with the new 2930

It just doesn't recognize the disc at all? Hmmm...I'd SWAG a laser alignment issue, but that's just a guess.

My 2910 started skipping on many SACDs, a couple DVD-As and wouldn't recognize dual-discs at all (DVD-A side - I never tried the CD side). After reading about some issues with laser alignment on the 3910 thread I became convinced that was likely the issue, but since it played DVDs fine I haven't had it fixed as of yet. I just switched it to a TV where I needed an upscaling DVD player and got a 2900 cheap for DVD-A/SACD duty.

If you'd happen to still be under warranty I'd contact Denon about getting it fixed ASAP. I still haven't decided if I should go ahead and try to get mine fixed or just enjoy it for DVDs and not worry about the hi-res audio limitations in that system.

After searching, reading, searching and reading some more I tried the time-honored "warm boot" (reset the factory defaults) and then reprogrammed my settings...no joy. I then got medieval on the box and tried a "hard boot" (yanked the power). Oh happy day, my player loves me again. :)

The search function is wonderous in it Oracle-like abilities. :o

Quirky, at least in my mind...but effective in this case. I strangely find myself a little disappointed that it came back to me...I was already eyeing a 39x0 as a replacement. I must be able to listen to that massive 20 DVD-A collection of mine, don't you know. :)

Hey Riff. I not only have a 2910 but I've also recently had to have that same 2910 repaired by Denon's factory repair division in NJ. It was out 2 months for repair and cost me $200. I forget what part went but the 2910 was only a year old prior to going. My 2910 developed a problem in which it would start skipping (dvd's and cd's) after about a half hour of play. Anyway, I must say that I was not pleased with Denon's repair service on some counts. They seem to have fixed the problem OK and I wasn't so much upset with the fact that I was without the unit for months. I was unhappy however with the fact that I could never get any answers from the repair facility as to what was going on with my unit. Their customer service division never could tell me exactly what was being done and at what point I could expect my unit back.

I can echo Comowie comments about Denon's Repair Service. My 3910 has been there for over a month and I can't get hold of anyone to tell me what is going on.

Can anyone give me an phone umber and an extension to try to get a real person?

So it sounds like Denon's service isn't very SERVICE oriented.

While I think I will wait and consider the 2930 when it comes out, I'd still like to get my 2900 repaired so I can use it in the back room. It seems a shame to junk it just for a funky disc drawer. But it sounds like it's gonna be a long and probably expensive process.

Oh well it's only time and money.

Oh, and I hope you get your 3910 back soon!

Question please;

What is this "macroblocking" issue and what does it look like? I have never seen anything from my 2910 that made me think there was any issue whatsoever.

Also - firmware update - any improvements? I don't know why I would perform it as the description is kind of lacking...

This Firmware updates the following reported anomalies on the DVD-2910 or DVD-2910s.
1. Programmed CD playback of discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Playback on “Raging Bull” disc.
3. Playback on “River Dance” disc PAL version.
4. HDMI improvement for displays with 258+ EDID memory.
5. Improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.

Question please;

What is this "macroblocking" issue and what does it look like? I have never seen anything from my 2910 that made me think there was any issue whatsoever.

Also - firmware update - any improvements? I don't know why I would perform it as the description is kind of lacking...

This Firmware updates the following reported anomalies on the DVD-2910 or DVD-2910s.
1. Programmed CD playback of discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Playback on “Raging Bull” disc.
3. Playback on “River Dance” disc PAL version.
4. HDMI improvement for displays with 258+ EDID memory.
5. Improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.


Macroblocking is seen as dancing "blocks" of color or black, usually seen in dark backgrounds or backgrounds of solid, darker colors. Certain displays (mostly DLP, I think) have a pretty bad problem with it when mated with Denon players (or any player with a Faroudja chip).

If you haven't seen it, DON'T LOOK FOR IT!... You may not be able to unsee it.

As far as the firmware, most people are doing it so they can have Denon Link 3, which is not on your list, but is also part of that update.

Also - firmware update - any improvements? I don't know why I would perform it as the description is kind of lacking...

This Firmware updates the following reported anomalies on the DVD-2910 or DVD-2910s.
1. Programmed CD playback of discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Playback on “Raging Bull” disc.
3. Playback on “River Dance” disc PAL version.
4. HDMI improvement for displays with 258+ EDID memory.
5. Improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.
Play any CD's with more than 10 tracks? Have a display with 258+ EDID memory? Using the HDMI to drive your display? Those would seem to be descriptions that are fairly specific and not . . "lacking."

But what is "programmed CD playback"? Playback of a CD? Or "programmed playback," where you "program" what order you want the tracks to play (like an old Kenwood CD changer I used to have)?

And what is "improvement" for #4 and #5? Didn't work, but now it does? Better picture quality? Bugs fixed?

But what is "programmed CD playback"? Playback of a CD? Or "programmed playback," where you "program" what order you want the tracks to play (like an old Kenwood CD changer I used to have)?

And what is "improvement" for #4 and #5? Didn't work, but now it does? Better picture quality? Bugs fixed?
Fair questions, but we only have the wording they provided. Improvement is improvement. If you're using HDMI, upgrade. If not, it's optional.

Glad I could be so helpful. :)

But what is "programmed CD playback"? Playback of a CD? Or "programmed playback," where you "program" what order you want the tracks to play (like an old Kenwood CD changer I used to have)?

And what is "improvement" for #4 and #5? Didn't work, but now it does? Better picture quality? Bugs fixed?Those were the types of things that I found lacking. Anyway, the only one that might fit my bill is #4 - but damned if i can find out how much EDID memory, if any, is in my Panny plasma TH-37PX60U. Even on the details and specs page, it doesn't show up.

I'm a network architect by trade - as a rule I don't upgrade firmware or IOS/OS unless there's a feature I - 1. Know I need, or 2. Is required for current support.

As far as the firmware, most people are doing it so they can have Denon Link 3, which is not on your list, but is also part of that update.
DL3 is not available on the 2910- never was, never will be

DL3 is not available on the 2910- never was, never will be

Sorry, I got confused and thought I was on the 3910 thread...My bad.

I tried the stuff listed here:

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

When I check my firmware, it says "6720-D"

I tried the remote trick region hack, and when I verify, repeating the process only goes between "Region_A1" and "Region_1."


Am I going to have to download different firmware and install it to play non-R1 discs?


EDIT:

Nevermind. It actually was working. Region_1 was default, and Region_A1 is all regiuons, even though that link says it should read Region_A2.

I discovered this because I couldn't get the firmware verification code to work when it was set to _A1, so I just tried popping in R3 HoFD, and viola!

It's all good. Now I'm set.

Are there any recommended picture adjustment settings in the 2910's settings for DVI?

I already switched the black level from Normal to Enhanced for PC levels. I had calibrated my display for my HTPC on DVI, and when I switched the 2910 to DVI, all I did was adjust the brightess/black level to the correct level.

But are there any other recommended picture adjustments, ie., Chroma Level -1, Gamma X=YZ?

Thanks.
(I'm loving this player!!!)

Hello, how many out there are pushing an HDMI signal 50ft through their 2910.
I have had two 2910's in the last year. The first one had no issues with my 50 ft cable, but had other issues... slow loads etc... so I had to send it back.
My current 2910 works fine, but now I seem to be having issues with my cable length. I am sure it is not the cable it self. The other player worked just fine with the same 50ft run. So does my Hi-Def DirecTV when hooked to that cable. The player works great with a short (9 foot) cable directly into the projector.
So I have tried one repeater from RAM electronics that was supposed to work up to 50 meters to no avail. Now I have a Gefen powered switcher on order. I am going to try that next.
My current player has a build date of June or July 2005 with 1.1 HDMI. My first Denon 2910 had a build date back in 2004 I believe.
I have been told that Denon actually switched the mechanism that pushes the signal to the display device that does not allow for such great distance as they did before?? I am trying to believe this is not true! Would Denon use less quality parts mid stream? Isn't that kind of like fraud? Get nice reviews from your first crop of players, then midway through the model year, switch out to cut costs. Hmmmmm.....

Craig

Hello, how many out there are pushing an HDMI signal 50ft through their 2910.
I have had two 2910's in the last year. The first one had no issues with my 50 ft cable, but had other issues... slow loads etc... so I had to send it back.
My current 2910 works fine, but now I seem to be having issues with my cable length. I am sure it is not the cable it self. The other player worked just fine with the same 50ft run. So does my Hi-Def DirecTV when hooked to that cable. The player works great with a short (9 foot) cable directly into the projector.
So I have tried one repeater from RAM electronics that was supposed to work up to 50 meters to no avail. Now I have a Gefen powered switcher on order. I am going to try that next.
My current player has a build date of June or July 2005 with 1.1 HDMI. My first Denon 2910 had a build date back in 2004 I believe.
I have been told that Denon actually switched the mechanism that pushes the signal to the display device that does not allow for such great distance as they did before?? I am trying to believe this is not true! Would Denon use less quality parts mid stream? Isn't that kind of like fraud? Get nice reviews from your first crop of players, then midway through the model year, switch out to cut costs. Hmmmmm.....

Craig
Dunno whether or not it's your problem, but HDMI has a funky, connector. Make sure it is properly seated with no stress pulling on it.

Dunno whether or not it's your problem, but HDMI has a funky, connector. Make sure it is properly seated with no stress pulling on it.


Thanks pepar, Yea, I made sure the connectors were firmly plugged in.
In fact, I plugged it in and pulled it back out three of four times on each connection to make sure the hook-up was secure, and in the event it had some corrosion issues.

Craig

Hi, does anybody know the latest firmware for the 2910? I have -9. Is -D newer and are there any improvements or what is the difference? And is -A the code for region-free? I'm sure these have been addressed, appologies, I am new and could not find the specific answers easily.

Hi, does anybody know the latest firmware for the 2910? I have -9. Is -D newer and are there any improvements or what is the difference? And is -A the code for region-free? I'm sure these have been addressed, appologies, I am new and could not find the specific answers easily.


What is the build date on your player?

Craig

What is the build date on your player?

Craig

Thanks for your response, build date is May 2005.

I used to use an HTPC to upconvert to 720p for my DLP, using DVI. I recently picked up a refurb Denon 2910 player ($420 online), so I could have an STB DVD player, put in a code and have it be region free, and have the ability to play SACDs, DVD-As, etc.

After a quick calibration of the video settings on my display (using Avia), I could tell the PQ of the 2910 (over DVI running at 720p) was quite good. But last night I watched the original DVD release of The Matrix, and wow. Maybe there is a slight difference in contrast/gamma, but this DVD looked better than I ever remember seeing it, and I think I recently watched this movie on my HTPC too. Close-ups were as good or better than I ever saw on my (very tweaked) HTPC, and some scenes with wider shots had an amazing amount of detail and were sharper and clearer than I remember. So much that it surprised me how good it looked. There were many times it looked very 3D, something I never felt when watching with the HTPC. Like I said, maybe it had to do with the contrast/gamma brining out a more 3D look - maybe the player just looks better, or maybe I just had the settings nailed down a bit tighter compared to when I calibrated for my HTPC's output. There were many scenes that were exceptionally lifelike and very 3D realistic - it seemed moreso like that than any DVD I can remember watching in the 2+ years I've had my DLP, and 2 years or so that I've used an HTPC for DVD viewing. And this is a 1st generation DVD with the funky case.

I've only had this player for a few weeks, and can't wait to watch more movies on it.



For audio, regular CDs sound great, as does everything else. I am very impressed. One thing I have noticed is that when I use the analog 2-channel outs to my HK AVR330 receiver, and run speakers as SMALL+sub crossed at 80Hz, I sometimes get "noise" or artifacts with certain material (Norah Jones' 2nd album, Cat Power's "The Greatest," etc.). But if I switch to my multi-channel outputs, which have the Denon crossing the speakers over at 80Hz, that noise is gone. For this fact alone, I'll be using Denon's internals for speaker/bass management. I may unhook the 2-channel analog cable from the Denon and bring my 5-disc changer back in case I want to listen to multiple CDs on random.

All in all, I'm very impressed and very satisfied with this new player. :D

Thanks for your response, build date is May 2005.

Well, I was told that players made on or after June have 1.1 HDMI. With this HDMI switch I would assume that a firmware change would have been implemented at that time. But others may know better. :)

Craig

Sorry, this is probably a dumb question.. I want to hookup my 2910 to my LCD via HDMI directly. Sometimes I want to use the TV's speakers for audio (PBS Kids tv show for my son or just the nightly news).. no problem, HDMI carries audio, right?

Ok.. now I have a 5.1 DVD in and want home theater surround.. so I have a Toslink going from the 2910 to the receiver (4306) to distribute sound to 5.1 speakers. But am I going to get sound also coming out of the TVs speakers? And/or is there a way to shut off the sound that's going to the TVs speakers via the HDMI cable?

What do you use to watch the regular shows. OTA, satellite, cable? If you have a box of some sort, you could run analog stereo cables out of the box directly to the tv. I guess I'm a little confused on how the 2910 factors in with watching just the regular networks. Is your receiver acting as a video switcher?

What do you use to watch the regular shows. OTA, satellite, cable? If you have a box of some sort, you could run analog stereo cables out of the box directly to the tv. I guess I'm a little confused on how the 2910 factors in with watching just the regular networks. Is your receiver acting as a video switcher?

Sorry, you're right and I confused myself... but I was also thinking of the cable box.

For the 2910, assume my 6-year old son wants to watch a power rangers DVD or somesuch; me and the wife have no desire to hear it in 5.1, so the HDMI to the TV would carry the sound and sound would be coming out of the TV's little but sufficient speakers.. Now we put in a DVD that we do want the HT experience (eg. Master and Commander, or somesuch).. So the Toslink from the 2910 carries the Dolby surroiund to the AVR.. but how does one shut off the audio on the TV's speakers (is the answer the TV's MUTE button -- ie. hoping the word MUTE will actually disappear off the screen after awhile?) that's being carried also by the HDMI cable that we need to supply the video to the TV?

As for a cable box, I also want to hook the cable box directly to the TV via HDMI, and actually have the same question (does a Cable box permit you to shut off the audio signal going over the HDMI cable)? I assumed I would have the Cable box (like the 2910) also hooked into the AVR via Toslink or Coaxial. For some shows (nightly news eg) we don't want/need 5.1 and only would want TV speaker sound.. for some cable shows, we'd want 5.1.. Sorta the same question as the 2910.


I hope this makes sense..

First off, I haven't played around with audio over hdmi so someone else will have to chime in for that. One of the least efficient but easiest ways to do it would be as I mentioned above. Run the toslink cables to the receiver for digital audio, run analog stereo cables to the tv inputs. That way you can bypass the receiver all together. However, if youre using the hdmi switching in the 4306 and therefore using it as a video switch, then you can't bypass the receiver and get video.

Tv's will have an option in their set up menu to turn their speakers on or off. It may be a pain to do that every time you watch a different dvd but that is an option. Turn em on for the kiddos and the news and off for the good stuff.

Cable boxes can vary. My parents have a SA 8300HD through Cox in OKC. The sub-menu gives digital audio options of dolby digital, hdmi, or other. I have dish 622 and 211 receivers and have never seen such an option.

I hope someone else gets in on this because there are some absolute gurus in here concerning hdmi. There was about a 5 page conversation a little while back on setting up for dvd-a and sacd through the sub-menu on the 2910. Some of it dealt with hdmi audio out and some of the conversation went way over my head.

First off, I haven't played around with audio over hdmi so someone else will have to chime in for that. One of the least efficient but easiest ways to do it would be as I mentioned above. Run the toslink cables to the receiver for digital audio, run analog stereo cables to the tv inputs. That way you can bypass the receiver all together. However, if youre using the hdmi switching in the 4306 and therefore using it as a video switch, then you can't bypass the receiver and get video.

Tv's will have an option in their set up menu to turn their speakers on or off. It may be a pain to do that every time you watch a different dvd but that is an option. Turn em on for the kiddos and the news and off for the good stuff.

.

Thanks for the idea.. However in your first workaround.. wouldn't I have the same problem? Although the analog cables are going to the TV inputs for audio, I would also have the HDMI cable going into the TV carrying audio. Can you specify on the TV to take the HDMI video signal, disregard the HDMI audio signal, but take audio signal from the analog inputs?

I'm not looking to do HDMI switching in the receiver, rather I wanted to hookup my sources directly to the TV via HDMI and not go thru the AVR (this seems to be a common recommendation around these forums)..

Tv's will have an option in their set up menu to turn their speakers on or off. It may be a pain to do that every time you watch a different dvd but that is an option. Turn em on for the kiddos and the news and off for the good stuff.



Or you could just leave the TV speakers on to pass audio thru HDMI, and when you are using the 5.1 thru toslink, turn the TV volume all the way down.

Hi, does anybody know the latest firmware for the 2910? I have -9. Is -D newer and are there any improvements or what is the difference? And is -A the code for region-free? I'm sure these have been addressed, appologies, I am new and could not find the specific answers easily.

"9" is the oldest. "D" is the newest. Try following site for info:
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Thanks for the idea.. However in your first workaround.. wouldn't I have the same problem? Although the analog cables are going to the TV inputs for audio, I would also have the HDMI cable going into the TV carrying audio. Can you specify on the TV to take the HDMI video signal, disregard the HDMI audio signal, but take audio signal from the analog inputs?

I'm not looking to do HDMI switching in the receiver, rather I wanted to hookup my sources directly to the TV via HDMI and not go thru the AVR (this seems to be a common recommendation around these forums)..

That's what I meant when I said I'm not sure about the hdmi audio stuff. I've never heard of that option on a tv (specifying the audio input signal), but who knows.

Went down to watch a DVD last night and all I got was sound, no blue screen until the disc loaded but rather a black screen with occasional flashes. The one other time this occured I had to reseat the HDMI cable at the back of the player but this time it did not work so I reseated at the tv but nothing. I made sure it was set for HDMI and 720P and even swapped to a set of component cables.
Set-up note: I am running the HDMI straight to the tv because my older receiver does not switch and am running a digital audio cable through the receiver. If the problem is the cable then thats why i'm getting audio but has anyone else had this problem?

Went down to watch a DVD last night and all I got was sound, no blue screen until the disc loaded but rather a black screen with occasional flashes. The one other time this occured I had to reseat the HDMI cable at the back of the player but this time it did not work so I reseated at the tv but nothing. I made sure it was set for HDMI and 720P and even swapped to a set of component cables.
Set-up note: I am running the HDMI straight to the tv because my older receiver does not switch and am running a digital audio cable through the receiver. If the problem is the cable then thats why i'm getting audio but has anyone else had this problem?

This happened to me many times when I first bought my player/TV. At first I thought it was the player. Swapped the player- same thing, so I thought it was the TV. Swapped the TV- same thing. Tech's came- could not figure it out. Then I thought- "It's not the TV or the player, maybe it's the cable?" So I replaced the Monster HDMI that they threw in with the TV (Monster cable was all that they carried at that store) and bought a $9.00 HDMI cable from monoPrice...

I have never had a problem since.

Thanks,I would hate to think I blew $100 for a year and a halfs worth of use but I will try that. What bothers me is I swapped in a component video cable and re-configured the player to use that type cable and still got the same thing. I know it is not the tv because my HD and regular cable tv were operating normally.

Thanks,I would hate to think I blew $100 for a year and a halfs worth of use but I will try that. What bothers me is I swapped in a component video cable and re-configured the player to use that type cable and still got the same thing. I know it is not the tv because my HD and regular cable tv were operating normally.

What brand of component and HDMI cables? Reason being is that before becoming aware of the cheaper, quality cables that can be had at monoPrice, I had a few Monster cables in my system. In addition to the problem I described with the Monster HDMI cable, I also had to replace a Monster S-Video cable for similar reasons.

At the time, my SD satellite box had only composite or S-Video out, so I ran the S-Video to my 3805 receiver to use the component video upconversion feature-then out to the TV. So after a number of months, I would be watching satellite and the picture would start to dim visibly (not just a dimmer over all picture, but fluctuating brightness). then eventually it would dim all the way down, then scramble/go black. I would unplug, then plug back in the cables, clean them, etc... It kept getting worse, and I had already had the problem with the Monster HDMI, so I replaced the Monster S-Video cable...

Same thing- cheap monoPrice cable, no more problems.

Needless to say, I don't buy Monster cable anymore. I never liked paying that much for a cable anyway, and I knew I was being ripped off but that was what the sales people were always pushing. I am just speculating, but I think that it is something they use in the plating on their connectors that breaks down over time, causing degredation of the signal.

Yep, the HDMI is a Monster, the component is a cheap set that my cable company gave me to hook up my Motorola HD DVR but I used a better set of (you guessed it!) Monster cables. I know what many here think of Monster and I agree they are overpriced and I have begun to move away from them but I cannot believe that ANY cable should go bad especially in that timeframe. I will try another cheaper brand of HDMI but I am not going to wait for a mail order cable so I will see if the Denon came with a cheap HDMI to try in the meantime or source one locally at Best Buy or C.C.

Yep, the HDMI is a Monster, the component is a cheap set that my cable company gave me to hook up my Motorola HD DVR but I used a better set of (you guessed it!) Monster cables. I know what many here think of Monster and I agree they are overpriced and I have begun to move away from them but I cannot believe that ANY cable should go bad especially in that timeframe. I will try another cheaper brand of HDMI but I am not going to wait for a mail order cable so I will see if the Denon came with a cheap HDMI to try in the meantime or source one locally at Best Buy or C.C.

I have used Audioquest cables with favorable results, but those arent exactly cheap either. I ordered some firewire and component cables from monoPrice w/ standard usps shipping and got them the next day, but I live in LA and monoPrice is in Rancho Cucamonga. They ship very fast, and you could probably ship it overnight to wherever you live and still get off cheaper than a store-bought cable.

Ok, i'll check it out although I am in Georgia, may give Blue Jean Cable a look as well. I still cannot believe it is cable related, I hope it is, just can't believe it. I have had one cable go out in my entire life and that was a sub cable that got pinched when it was run through a hole in the floor to my receiver.

Ok, i'll check it out although I am in Georgia, may give Blue Jean Cable a look as well. I still cannot believe it is cable related, I hope it is, just can't believe it. I have had one cable go out in my entire life and that was a sub cable that got pinched when it was run through a hole in the floor to my receiver.

Yeah, it may not be the problem at all, but I had the same thoughts before I swapped out my Monster cables.

People with this no-video problem -- are you somehow ending up in one of the Pure Direct modes that disables video outputs? I listen to CDs in pure direct, and use the 2910's bass management through my receiver's multi-chan inputs, but sometimes I forget to turn off the pure direct when I'm finished and get no picture with the DVD. For a few seconds, anyway, until I remember.

For example, if you disconnect the player from the power cable, maybe the pure direct mode resets to default-off and it appears fixed.

There were also a few times when I powered up the player and the TV and got no picture, having nothing to do with pure direct. I think it was a HDCP handshake issue. It's only happened a few times, and I was able to get past it by turning the equipment off and on again.

Well, it definetly didn't have anything to do with the pure direct mode in my case. As far as the HDCP thing, I suppose that's a possibility, but I would have to conclude that the cable was somehow contributing to the problem based on the fact that it has not happened even once since I swapped cables.

Ok, i'll check it out although I am in Georgia, may give Blue Jean Cable a look as well. I still cannot believe it is cable related, I hope it is, just can't believe it. I have had one cable go out in my entire life and that was a sub cable that got pinched when it was run through a hole in the floor to my receiver.

Wal-mart now has a Philips hdmi cable that runs about 30 bucks. If it were me, I would just grab one of those for troubleshooting purposes. If it fixes it, then buy whatever cable you want and take the philips one back, or keep the one from wal-mart. Either way, it's a quick way to eliminate the cable cause.

I live in Oklahoma- so half way between monoprice and mylan. I've placed some orders with them twice now and both times have them within the week if I order by monday or early tuesday. Only issue right now is I think their stock is low on the 24 AWG hdmi in the 6 ft. length. I ordered one of those, had a problem with it, and they are shipping a replacement. Latest e-mail said it would go out tomorrow. It will be here by Thursday at the latest.

People with this no-video problem -- are you somehow ending up in one of the Pure Direct modes that disables video outputs? I listen to CDs in pure direct, and use the 2910's bass management through my receiver's multi-chan inputs, but sometimes I forget to turn off the pure direct when I'm finished and get no picture with the DVD. For a few seconds, anyway, until I remember.

For example, if you disconnect the player from the power cable, maybe the pure direct mode resets to default-off and it appears fixed.

There were also a few times when I powered up the player and the TV and got no picture, having nothing to do with pure direct. I think it was a HDCP handshake issue. It's only happened a few times, and I was able to get past it by turning the equipment off and on again.

Yea, pure direct is not the problem with me either. I actually get a picture... I just get occasional drop outs and static and lines running through the screen. :(

Craig

"9" is the oldest. "D" is the newest. Try following site for info:
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Thank you. Do you know what improvements have been made between -9 and D? It's strange that Denon has not posted D on their website. Cheers.

Thank you. Do you know what improvements have been made between -9 and D? It's strange that Denon has not posted D on their website. Cheers.

Am I the only one that would feel uncomfortable downloading and then installing a file called "D-Day," from a non-Denon site? :eek:

Am I the only one that would feel uncomfortable downloading and then installing a file called "D-Day," from a non-Denon site? :eek:
There ya go, your Moment of Zen. :)

LOL!

Jon Stewart would be proud.

Am I the only one that would feel uncomfortable downloading and then installing a file called "D-Day," from a non-Denon site? :eek:
Probably - I've done it and works fine :)

Probably - I've done it and works fine :)


What does it correct and was "Version D-Day" ever released by Denon?

Probably - I've done it and works fine :)

Same here, Rev D works perfectly on mine too. :cool:

Same here, Rev D works perfectly on mine too. :cool: After posting I did a search on this thread for ESS:6720 and found the previous discussion. :rolleyes:

Went down to watch a DVD last night and all I got was sound, no blue screen until the disc loaded but rather a black screen with occasional flashes. The one other time this occured I had to reseat the HDMI cable at the back of the player but this time it did not work so I reseated at the tv but nothing. I made sure it was set for HDMI and 720P and even swapped to a set of component cables.
Set-up note: I am running the HDMI straight to the tv because my older receiver does not switch and am running a digital audio cable through the receiver. If the problem is the cable then thats why i'm getting audio but has anyone else had this problem?

I did go and buy another HDMI cable from WalMart, a Phillips, but before I took it out of the pack I tried one other thing. Apparently that day we had a power blip so I disconnected the power cord from the back of the Denon and reconnected and reconnected the HDMI and now I have sound and video with no money out of pocket. I cannot believe no one here thought of that or has had that happen to them and just blindly suggest I order a cable.

I did go and buy another HDMI cable from WalMart, a Phillips, but before I took it out of the pack I tried one other thing. Apparently that day we had a power blip so I disconnected the power cord from the back of the Denon and reconnected and reconnected the HDMI and now I have sound and video with no money out of pocket. I cannot believe no one here thought of that or has had that happen to them and just blindly suggest I order a cable.
You're welcome. Next time try mentioning the power "blip."

I'm having a problem with my Denon 2910. It's about 1.5 year old, and on a couple movies it has started back at chapter 1. It's a fairly random experience... sometimes it hasn't happened for quite a while, while other times I couldn't get 10 minutes into the movie.

For those who have had this issue, what is the fix? Do I need to take it in to get serviced?

I'm having a problem with my Denon 2910. It's about 1.5 year old, and on a couple movies it has started back at chapter 1. It's a fairly random experience... sometimes it hasn't happened for quite a while, while other times I couldn't get 10 minutes into the movie.

For those who have had this issue, what is the fix? Do I need to take it in to get serviced?


If you have a problem that you can put up with, my advice is not to send it in. My 2910 was gone for almost 1/3 of a year before I finally got a replacement. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Now I believe I have different issues with the replacement!
This is one finicky player. :(

Craig

If you have a problem that you can put up with, my advice is not to send it in. My 2910 was gone for almost 1/3 of a year before I finally got a replacement. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Now I believe I have different issues with the replacement!
This is one finicky player. :(

Craig

Hi Craig,

Well, my local Magnolia will repair it for $150. This is the one time I wish I would have paid for the protection plan. :( Would have been $65 for 4 years.

You're welcome. Next time try mentioning the power "blip."


It takes all kinds doesn't it? :D

Anyone into modding?

And has anyone dipped into the 2910 and modded it for better performance (audio primarily)?

What is the priority of component replacements which gives biggest bang for buck?

Caps?
Rectification diodes?
Digital clock?
Remove blocking transistors?


And tweaks, what have people found to work on the 2910?
Power cord?
Vibrational isolation?

hi everybody,

i'm slowly trying to build up my system and just bought my denon 2910 to go with my klipsch speakers (RB-75s) and Velodyne DLS-5000r (although now i'm thinking i might get the spl-1200r instead)

anyway, i bought this DVD player because i read great reviews saying that it was very good at playing CDs as well.

my question is ... when you guys listen to music do you prefer the analog outs or do you use the digital out? i did a comparison of both of them using my entry level Yamaha receiver and both the analog and digital sounded very similiar to me. i almost slighty prefer the digital out better.

this seems surprising to me because i figured the Denon probably had a better DAC that the yamaha.

is their something i'm maybe missing here? i'm not very familiar with all this stuff yet.

just as an fyi, when i compared the two i turned off my sub and had my klipsch's set to large in for both the denon and the yamaha.

thanks,
jacob

I use the 6-channel outputs from my 2910.

I didn't really notice a difference. Except... On a few CDs, primarily Norah Jones' second album, using my receiver's bass management for the crossover, whether through 2-channel CD analog inputs or over digital, there are spots in songs on this CD where there are "sparkly" artifacts on certain notes. This noise was audible at all volume levels. The noise would go away if I switched the left/right speakers to large, or engaged one of the various sound modes in my receiver. But using the Denon's bass management over the 6-channel analogs (although the signal only goes out over 2), the noise is not there.

Other than that, I haven't listened close enough to notice a difference. But not having that pesky noise means I don't really feel like going back to the CD 2-channel analog or the digital connection - unless I want to engage one of the DPLII Music, Logic 7, or DTS:NEO6 modes.

I also use the 6-channel outputs for all my DVDs, unless it's only in 2-channel and I want to engage DPLII Movie or something.

my question is ... when you guys listen to music do you prefer the analog outs or do you use the digital out? i did a comparison of both of them using my entry level Yamaha receiver and both the analog and digital sounded very similiar to me. i almost slighty prefer the digital out better.

this seems surprising to me because i figured the Denon probably had a better DAC that the yamaha.


You need to make sure the amplifier is not converting the analog signal back to digital to do its crossovers, delays and other processing. There will usually be a "pass thru" or "Direct" function. Otherwise your observations are correct. You are listening to the Yamaha receiver with both setups. The analog setup should theoretically sound worse than the all digital path since the analog signal from the Denon goes through additional conversions.

I listen to 2-channel audio using a direct pass thru (with an analog sub crossover) on an Outlaw processor. It sounds far better than the DA conversion being done in the processor.


Anyone into modding?

And has anyone dipped into the 2910 and modded it for better performance (audio primarily)?

What is the priority of component replacements which gives biggest bang for buck?


I am doing the ultimate mod I have a preorder in for the 3930. Sorry couldn't resist.

I am doing the ultimate mod I have a preorder in for the 3930. Sorry couldn't resist.


:)


I thought that the 2930/3930 was the reason it was so quiet in here.
Im holding off till a hidef Denon before upgrading my unit.

However with my warranty period expiring soon I will definitely embark on ssome simple cheap mods on my 2910.

Is there any difference between the 2 channel out and 5.1 Front L/R analog outputs when listening to 2 channel music? i.e. burr-browns used for both or different analog output stage?

I was trying to A/B a few sets of cables and discovered I always liked the one that was on the 5.1 outs. On the other hand, I couldn't tell the difference between 3 different 0.5 meter audio interconncts.

I recently bought an oppo 970 for my bedroom. Hooked to a 32 inch lcd via hdmi. I have the 2910 connected to a sony 50 inch lcd in my living room. I know it's a different set-up entirely but the denon/sony combo seems grainy to me. And there is much less pop to the colors as compared to the new bedroom system. I noticed this a while back and played with it and recognized that hdmi rgb looked better than anything else.

I also use the denon for hi-rez music so I wouldn't think of replacing it at this point but I can't imagine that the oppo outperforms the 2910 without something being off. I have calibrated the living room system with avia, dve, and home theater tune up in recent months. I have never adjusted the picture settings in the denon. Would this help?

Mainly in the Denon you need to make sure you have the correct black level setting. It shouldn't matter a whole lot if you set Brightness with Avia, but it's better to pass BTB than not. Also, the gamma may be a bit different with the different IRE settings, even if you set the Brightness level for black afterwards anyway.

Did you calibrate the Oppo/LCD?
The graininess could also be due to the fact that the screen is 50" as opposed to 32". You could also put the Oppo on the Sony and the 2910 on the 32" and re-do the settings and see how they compare.

Yeah, I'm trying to avoid a swap out comparison simply because neither system is set-up where it is easy to do that. A lot of furniture pullling out and zip tie cutting, etc... So I'd like to explore other options first.

I have the black level enhanced on the denon. I definitely thought about the size difference of the display. One thing is that the oppo is replacing a denon s-301 system that I sent back due to the well documented problems of dvd playback over hdmi. I never really liked the way that dvd player looked and I had calibrated that dvd player with the tv combo. The 301 uses the 2910 guts for its player if I have heard correctly. I thought the tv just wasn't that good. Now my faith has been restored in the tv because it looks awesome now. So now I'm wondering if it isn't just a matter of the oppo being superior to the denon in video performance. I had seen somewhere on here someone had compared the oppo with the video performance of the 3910. I don't know the major differences in the 2910 and 3910 when it comes to video performance.

It's with a heavy, anguished heart I make my first post, but I am glad to have found a bunch of 2910 aficionados/owners. My new 955/2910 is modified for region-free disk playing but I also really, really enjoy listening to high-res music--that is, 5.1 SACD and DVD-Audio. I only recently noticed that when I try to turn off the Digital Output in Pure Direct Mode--so that I might enjoy 5.1 or stereo SACD--that the option is grayed-out! I can't listen to 5.1 SACDs, except for the digital-out CD layer! Any suggestions on how I can re-enable my ability to turn off Digital Output temporarily to enjoy the labors of Murray Perahia, The Police, and others?

I have read through and searched for possible answers through the threads but have not seen any replies that answer my question directly. Any help is greatly appreciated!

Hi Craig,

Well, my local Magnolia will repair it for $150. This is the one time I wish I would have paid for the protection plan. :( Would have been $65 for 4 years.

Does the problem occur always with the same DVDs or at random? Does it happen with music disks, too?

It's with a heavy, anguished heart I make my first post, but I am glad to have found a bunch of 2910 aficionados/owners. My new 955/2910 is modified for region-free disk playing but I also really, really enjoy listening to high-res music--that is, 5.1 SACD and DVD-Audio. I only recently noticed that when I try to turn off the Digital Output in Pure Direct Mode--so that I might enjoy 5.1 or stereo SACD--that the option is grayed-out! I can't listen to 5.1 SACDs, except for the digital-out CD layer! Any suggestions on how I can re-enable my ability to turn off Digital Output temporarily to enjoy the labors of Murray Perahia, The Police, and others?

I have read through and searched for possible answers through the threads but have not seen any replies that answer my question directly. Any help is greatly appreciated!


So you can't hear anything through the analog outputs? The "Direct Mode" button that cycles through the different modes doesn't work?

So you can't hear anything through the analog outputs? The "Direct Mode" button that cycles through the different modes doesn't work?

That's the thing, if I understand your point. I want to modify one of the available "modes" (i.e., Mode 1 or Mode 2) so that I can choose digital output "off": I don't have the ability to do that--that choice is grayed-out when I go to the Pure Direct set up. I have looked into what I might do on my AVR-2807's side, but of course, the thing is that the change has to occur at the 2910 (the output source). Sure, I can force fake multi-channel surround by modifying the output from my AVR-2807, but then the multi-channel surround sound is only a ersatz version of true 5.1 (from an 2-channel mix).

I'm really thinking DVI is the best connection the 2910 has. I recently bought a Toshiba HD-A1 and that took the place on my HDMI connection that my 2910 was on. Over DVI the 2910's green push and macroblocking issues I encountered over HDMI are greatly and truly noticably reduced.

I have been having a problem with my 2910, and I have found some helpful info in this forum. But I can't quite put my finger on this one....

I have had my 2910 for some time now, and it was working very well with my old Marantz SR7000 receiver, with all audio handled by the analogue outputs. Recently, I replaced the Marantz with a Pioneer VSX-1016 receiver, which has HDMI (1.1) switching. I ran an HDMI cable from the 2910 to the 1016. I was fully prepared for problems with video handshake with my Scientific Atlanta HD box....but no problems! I'm getting a great picture from the 2910 and from my cable box. But, ironically, it's audio that is driving me crazy. The 1016 acts like no audio (digital, Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.) is coming from the 2910. In the setup options for the 2910, I have set the option for Multichannel Input to "Multichannel (Normal)" which is supposed to pass DD, DTS, and the audio part of DVD-A. But I'm getting nothing!


Any hints? I know I am going to have to run six cables anyway to get SACD sound from the 2910, but I'd sure like to know why I can't get digital audio over the HDMI cable.

Thanks.

I have been having a problem with my 2910, and I have found some helpful info in this forum. But I can't quite put my finger on this one....

I have had my 2910 for some time now, and it was working very well with my old Marantz SR7000 receiver, with all audio handled by the analogue outputs. Recently, I replaced the Marantz with a Pioneer VSX-1016 receiver, which has HDMI (1.1) switching. I ran an HDMI cable from the 2910 to the 1016. I was fully prepared for problems with video handshake with my Scientific Atlanta HD box....but no problems! I'm getting a great picture from the 2910 and from my cable box. But, ironically, it's audio that is driving me crazy. The 1016 acts like no audio (digital, Dolby Digital, DTS, etc.) is coming from the 2910. In the setup options for the 2910, I have set the option for Multichannel Input to "Multichannel (Normal)" which is supposed to pass DD, DTS, and the audio part of DVD-A. But I'm getting nothing!


Any hints? I know I am going to have to run six cables anyway to get SACD sound from the 2910, but I'd sure like to know why I can't get digital audio over the HDMI cable.

Thanks.

Sounds correct to me, I just checked mine and that's exactly what im using - I suggest you check your amp as on my Yammy I had to set the HDMI audio option to auto-detect.

Thanks..but still can't find the source of the "no-audio" problem. Let me clarify:

I have had my Denon 2910 for some time now, and it was working very well with my old Marantz SR7000 receiver, with all audio handled by the analogue outputs. Recently, I replaced the Marantz with a Pioneer VSX-1016 receiver, which has HDMI (1.1) switching.

First, I ran an HDMI cable from my Scientific Atlanta HD DVR box to one of the 1016's two HDMI inputs. After hearing horror stories about handshake problem I was fully prepared for problems with video ....but no problems! The 1016 recognizes the digital input, and I'm getting a great picture from the 2910 and from my cable box. I still use digital audio out via coax.

But my 2910 is another story. I ran another HDMI cable from the 2910 to the 1016's other HDMI input. I get a great picture...but the 1016 recognizes the signal ONLY as Analogue, and it will not permit me to select Digital. Correspondingly, I get NO sound of any kind...not two-channel, DD, or DTS. I have checked the cables and have powered down both DVD player and receiver to ensure a good handshake.

I need help, guys. I fully know that I will end up running six cables from the 2910 anyway to enjoy SACD sound, and I know that the DAC's in the 2910 are great...but, sheesh, I'd at least like to be able to compare the "full-bandwidth" sound from the HDMI.

Any suggestions? I have checked my input assignments, and here is how I have set up the 2910:

Digital Interface Setup = Multi(Normal)
Audio Setup
Audio Channel = Multi
Digital Output = Normal
LPCM = Off
Signal Direct= Off

Of course, I had to select 2-channel in the Digital Interface Setup to open up the grayed-out areas of Audio Setup....but I put it back to Multi.

I thought maybe having the Audio Channel set to Multi might be the problem, so I changed it to 2-ch(No) -- but, when I go back and set the Digital Interface Setup back to Multi(Normal), it reverts the Audio Channel back to Multi.

Please help...this is your typical "got a new component and I need the Rosetta Stone to figure out the quirks" situation that makes me crazy.

Please refer to the pioneer 1016 forum. The 1016 just passes video not audio via the HDMI. To get audio you will have to run an optical. coax, or analogue from your 2910 to the 1016.

Hope this helps,

John

Hi there

I'm having problems with the 2910 DVI and HDMI outputs.
On DVI the screen goes blank every 3 seconds and on HDMI there is a red flicker across the screen every few seconds. Has anyone experienced that before? I have been searching hi and low for a solution to this.
The player is connected to a Benq W100 via a 10m Lindy Single Link DVI cable.
And running 6720-C firmware
I read somewhere that the revision 6720-D firmware should fix some HDMI problems. Would a kind soul out there please send it to me, as all the links to it I have found are dead.
kim_jessen hotmail com

Thanks for reading.

If anyone has the firmware, I've been in search of it as well. Please email it to biffbyun_at_yahoo_com.
I would be much obliged.
Rob

If anyone has the firmware, I've been in search of it as well. Please email it to biffbyun_at_yahoo_com.
I would be much obliged.
Rob
I've never seen it available for download. I've only heard that it is on units that have been back for repair.

If anyone has the firmware, I've been in search of it as well. Please email it to biffbyun_at_yahoo_com.
I would be much obliged.
Rob

You can buy it here: www.jvbdigital.com

One must really want it to pay for it when Denon supplies firmware for free. Has anybody considered that Denon hasn't released it for download by the masses because the masses don't need it?

One must really want it to pay for it when Denon supplies firmware for free. Has anybody considered that Denon hasn't released it for download by the masses because the masses don't need it?

Undoubtedly true. I was merely offering him the option.