Undoubtedly true. I was merely offering him the option.
I know, Edward. That's why I didn't "reply" to you and did it as a general post. My feeling is (obviously :) ) that the manufacturer should be trusted to post the latest firmware. If there are bugs and/or performance improvements to be had, they'll post an update. I've been to sites lke the one you mention and it's sketchy as to what the differences are and whether or not any particular user would gain anything by applying it.

Greetings, I just picked up a 2910 at very nice close out pricing. I'm excited about the audio and video upgrade from my current setup.

My question is about cabling for optimum video. I presently have a 30' component cable running to my Sanyo Z2 front projector which has a single DVI input. Since I have the option of using either DVI or HDMI output on the 2910 I am wondering which, if either, would be preferred considering I'm connecting to a DVI input on the projector. I recognize there should be no difference other than HDMI's ability to carry audio but thought I'd ask the community what the real-world experience has been.

I expect I'll upgrade the Z2 in a year or so to something that has a HDMI input if that's a consideration. The easiest long-term solution would be to run HDMI cabling and use an HDMI/DVI adapter on the projector end if that won't compromise performance.

Thanks

HDMI cable with an adapter at the projector. Then you can remove the adapter when you upgrade the projector.

I don't know if there are any known issues with the HDMI-out on the 2910, but I use the DVI-out and it's beautiful.

I recognize there should be no difference other than HDMI's ability to carry audio but thought I'd ask the community what the real-world experience has been.

I find that there is a difference for me. I use it with a Sharp 37" LCD that has both DVI and HDMI inputs. I've never been able to isolate the causes for the differences to either the DVD player and/or the TV.

For me, the HDMI offers a better black level controls. The DVI connection has slighly less contrast, a bit of green/blue push, and a slight digital jitter, making the choice of HDMI over DVI a no brainer.

When I tried using the DVI output from various Motorola cable boxes with the Sharp TV, I got results similar to those with the Denon. I couldn't get the HDMI outputs on two different DCT 3412s to even work properly enough to make an evaluation with the Sharp.

You'll have to try it both ways a judge for yourself.

Had the same issue with my unit within warranty period - my local dealer sent it back & Denon replaced it with a new unit.

Good Luck

... a bit of green/blue push, and a slight digital jitter, making the choice of HDMI over DVI a no brainer.

I also see a bit of a green cast via DVI so I used HDMI to DVI with no problems.

Thanks,
Mark

I've read various accounts that this is for getting subwoofer output if playing a 2-channel source. I tried turning this on last night with a 2-channel Patricia Barber SACD that I have. However, the LFE light doesn't go on on the 2910.. should it?

Also, does anyone know whether this would work on say a 5.0 channel source (ie. I have some classical CDs (Holtz/Planets and Rachmaninov) that are mastered as 5.0 CDs.. subwoofer output for these SACDs I think would be desireable?

Final question.. does anyone know any details of how this function works.. Ie. I can't find any crossover settings applicable to the Bass Enhancer. Anyone know what crossover the 2910 uses in splitting LF to the Sub channel?

I've read various accounts that this is for getting subwoofer output if playing a 2-channel source. I tried turning this on last night with a 2-channel Patricia Barber SACD that I have. However, the LFE light doesn't go on on the 2910.. should it?

Also, does anyone know whether this would work on say a 5.0 channel source (ie. I have some classical CDs (Holtz/Planets and Rachmaninov) that are mastered as 5.0 CDs.. subwoofer output for these SACDs I think would be desireable?

Final question.. does anyone know any details of how this function works.. Ie. I can't find any crossover settings applicable to the Bass Enhancer. Anyone know what crossover the 2910 uses in splitting LF to the Sub channel?
Have you checked the Owner's Manual? :)

The LFE light will only go on for a "x.1" source, with the .1 being the LFE channel. That is true even if bass management is routing bass from the main channels to the subwoofer. "Bass", "LFE" and "subwoofer" are three different things. There is no "subwoofer" channel on any source. "LFE" always comes out of the subwoofer unless the subwoofer setting in bass management is set to "off." Bass from the main channels will only come out of the subwoofer if the setting is turned on and the crossover frequency is above the sub's lower cutoff frequency.

Personally, I would never engage anything that had "Enhancer" in the name.

Have you checked the Owner's Manual? :)

The LFE light will only go on for a "x.1" source, with the .1 being the LFE channel. That is true even if bass management is routing bass from the main channels to the subwoofer. "Bass", "LFE" and "subwoofer" are three different things. There is no "subwoofer" channel on any source. "LFE" always comes out of the subwoofer unless the subwoofer setting in bass management is set to "off." Bass from the main channels will only come out of the subwoofer if the setting is turned on and the crossover frequency is above the sub's lower cutoff frequency.

Personally, I would never engage anything that had "Enhancer" in the name.

I read the manual.. about the Bass Enhancer; should have read about the LFE light I guess.

I think I'm still confused though. On using the 6-cable analog outs of the 2910, basically isn't the LFE and SW-Out jack synonymous? No low frequencies, UNLESS an SACD is mastered with such in the .1 channel will end up going to the subwoofer, correct? No signal is diverted out the SW-Out cable to the AVR unless the SACD is mastered a .1 channel, correct?

Or are you saying that its possible that signal is going out the SW cable to the AVR even if the LFE light isn't lit when playing an SACD?

I agree.. I don't the like the term "enhancer" either.. but if I'm understanding this setting correctly.. all this seems to accomplish is that I can listen to music with a subwoofer handling lower frequencies. Wouldn't this be a desire of a lot of people that don't have mains that extend to 20hz or whatever their subs can handle?

However, what I don't know.. is what frequencies the 2910 actually splits off to the subwoofer-out cable to the ExtIn SW jack on my AVR. I think I'm of the understanding that my crossover settings in the AVR have no effect whatsoever on Ext-In inputs. I haven't found (perhaps I need to return to the manual) any subwoofer crossover settings that can be made in the 2910. Also not clear if the 2910 is actually splitting the low frequencies off from the LR channels, meaning they no longer go to the LR channels, or whether the L/R channels still also get these low frequency signals? (in which case I'd need to probably reduce my subwoofer levels either via manual gain knob or in the Ext-In SW setup).

Final unanswered question would be whether a 5.0 mastered CD would be affected by Bass Enhancer setting, since what I've read the Bass Enhancer setting has said 2-channel.

Thanks for any more help you can offer!

I think I'm still confused though. On using the 6-cable analog outs of the 2910, basically isn't the LFE and SW-Out jack synonymous? No low frequencies, UNLESS an SACD is mastered with such in the .1 channel will end up going to the subwoofer, correct? No signal is diverted out the SW-Out cable to the AVR unless the SACD is mastered a .1 channel, correct?

...

However, what I don't know.. is what frequencies the 2910 actually splits off to the subwoofer-out cable to the ExtIn SW jack on my AVR. I think I'm of the understanding that my crossover settings in the AVR have no effect whatsoever on Ext-In inputs. I haven't found (perhaps I need to return to the manual) any subwoofer crossover settings that can be made in the 2910. Also not clear if the 2910 is actually splitting the low frequencies off from the LR channels, meaning they no longer go to the LR channels, or whether the L/R channels still also get these low frequency signals? (in which case I'd need to probably reduce my subwoofer levels either via manual gain knob or in the Ext-In SW setup).


With the multi-channel outputs, you are using the bass management within the player (and many receivers don't apply bass management to the multi-channel analog inputs). So you have to set the speakers to small in the player, which will engage the 80Hz crossover. For the multi-channel outputs, the player also has the distance setting, etc. For the speaker levels, I left everything at 0 and just boosted the LFE using the +10 setting (and it needs an extra 4dB boost in my receiver above the level required by the digital audio input).

Whatever you do, you have to calibrate to level-match the speakers and the subwoofer. Luckily the 2910 has internal test tones already, so all you need is an SPL meter.

With the multi-channel outputs, you are using the bass management within the player (and many receivers don't apply bass management to the multi-channel analog inputs). So you have to set the speakers to small in the player, which will engage the 80Hz crossover. For the multi-channel outputs, the player also has the distance setting, etc. For the speaker levels, I left everything at 0 and just boosted the LFE using the +10 setting (and it needs an extra 4dB boost in my receiver above the level required by the digital audio input).

Whatever you do, you have to calibrate to level-match the speakers and the subwoofer. Luckily the 2910 has internal test tones already, so all you need is an SPL meter.

Thanks. I have my speakers set to small.. and was going to ask about that. So.. how do you know the player's internal crossover is 80Hz or even has an internal crossover? FYI, I did a search of the Acrobat PDF manual on "crossover", "80Hz" and "bass management".. found nothing.

And how does Bass Enhancer fit into the equation? Whether a source SACD is 2.0, 5.0 or 5.1 mastered. The manual's description (p. 37) on this function is very confusing.. to quote:

When "BASS ENHANCER" is selected:
OFF (Factory default)
No Sound is produced from the subwoofer.
ON
Sound is produced from the subwoofer.
In the case, set the subwoofer to "YES" at the speaker settings.
*This works only with the analog audio output.
*This mode does not work, at "Source Direct" is on

The above seems to imply that there is no subwoofer output at all (whether speakers are set as large or small), unless this is turned on, if using analog outputs. Yet that obviously can't and isn't the case, right? Unfortunately the manual pretty much sucks in explaining this feature, what it does and when and with what type of source material.

Thanks. I have my speakers set to small.. and was going to ask about that. So.. how do you know the player's internal crossover is 80Hz or even has an internal crossover? FYI, I did a search of the Acrobat PDF manual on "crossover", "80Hz" and "bass management".. found nothing.


If you can set speakers to SMALL, then it has a crossover. I know it's at 80Hz because I read the review of the player on Audioholics (http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/DenonDVD-2910Review1.php). It may also be in the manual - I'm not sure. This was one of the reasons I went with the 2910 rather than the 1920, as the 1920's crossover is at 100Hz. Read the review for it at that link. You'll probably find out some more stuff about the player you didn't know.


And how does Bass Enhancer fit into the equation? Whether a source SACD is 2.0, 5.0 or 5.1 mastered. The manual's description (p. 37) on this function is very confusing.. to quote:

When "BASS ENHANCER" is selected:
OFF (Factory default)
No Sound is produced from the subwoofer.
ON
Sound is produced from the subwoofer.
In the case, set the subwoofer to "YES" at the speaker settings.
*This works only with the analog audio output.
*This mode does not work, at "Source Direct" is on

The above seems to imply that there is no subwoofer output at all (whether speakers are set as large or small), unless this is turned on, if using analog outputs. Yet that obviously can't and isn't the case, right? Unfortunately the manual pretty much sucks in explaining this feature, what it does and when and with what type of source material.


Yes, that is confusing.
The speaker settings (Small/Large) do work, so perhaps this doubles the bass sent to speakers set to LARGE to the subwoofer as well, when using the analog outputs...

Thanks for the Audioholics link.. forgot about that review. Helpful info there.. and indeed 80hz is mentioned (wonder how Audioholics found this info out?)..

Here's also what AH review said about Bass Enhancer..

"The bass enhancer does not affect the digital outputs on the DVD-2910. The purpose of Bass Enhancer is to output the bass from the main channels to the subwoofer for two channel sources. This is a useful feature for those using non full range front speakers and require the subwoofer to be active to achieve full range sound."

Again I remain confused.. whether a 2-channel source or a multi-channel source, why wouldn't my selection of the LF and LR speakers as small already accomplish the goal of sending low frequencies to the Subwoofer? I presume that "for those using non full range front speakers" that they would have selected "small" to begin with.

Oh.. on your level settings where you indicated added +4 to the sub output in the AVR, plus the +10 in the 2910.. couldn't you accomplish the same by simply setting the L/C/R/LS/RS levels at -4 in the 2910 and leaving the +10 setting?

Oh.. on your level settings where you indicated added +4 to the sub output in the AVR, plus the +10 in the 2910.. couldn't you accomplish the same by simply setting the L/C/R/LS/RS levels at -4 in the 2910 and leaving the +10 setting?

Yes, I could have. But then I would need different speaker channel levels on the receiver. I like to keep all of the speaker levels the same in the receiver for multi-channel, DTS, DD, and the other modes. The way I'm doing it now, the only thing that is different is the subwoofer level for the multi-channel input.

Yes, I could have. But then I would need different speaker channel levels on the receiver. I like to keep all of the speaker levels the same in the receiver for multi-channel, DTS, DD, and the other modes. The way I'm doing it now, the only thing that is different is the subwoofer level for the multi-channel input.
No, actually you wouldn't. There are speaker level controls in the 2910 setup where you would make the adjustment leaving your pre/pro/AVR controls untouched.

To keep the same Master Volume "reference level" setting between the multi-channel inputs, the digital/DD/DTS/DPLII across the board, if I lowered the speaker level settings in the 2910, I'd have to raise them in the receiver.

Now I have the speaker level settings at 0 in the 2910. Assuming that the speaker levels are 0 in the receiver, except for the sub which is +4... If I lowered the speaker levels 4dB in the 2910, then the receiver's sub level could be brought back down to 0. But the overall volume then would be 4dB lower than the other inputs.

"The bass enhancer does not affect the digital outputs on the DVD-2910. The purpose of Bass Enhancer is to output the bass from the main channels to the subwoofer for two channel sources. This is a useful feature for those using non full range front speakers and require the subwoofer to be active to achieve full range sound."

Again I remain confused.. whether a 2-channel source or a multi-channel source, why wouldn't my selection of the LF and LR speakers as small already accomplish the goal of sending low frequencies to the Subwoofer? I presume that "for those using non full range front speakers" that they would have selected "small" to begin with.
?

FYI, I sent off an email to Denon asking for some sort of explanation of what the Bass Enhancer does and under what circumstances.. If I get an answer that I can comprehend, I'll report back. Thanks all for your help.

To keep the same Master Volume "reference level" setting between the multi-channel inputs, the digital/DD/DTS/DPLII across the board, if I lowered the speaker level settings in the 2910, I'd have to raise them in the receiver.

Now I have the speaker level settings at 0 in the 2910. Assuming that the speaker levels are 0 in the receiver, except for the sub which is +4... If I lowered the speaker levels 4dB in the 2910, then the receiver's sub level could be brought back down to 0. But the overall volume then would be 4dB lower than the other inputs.
Yes, of course, and now I've lost track of in what context this was aksed - and by whom - originally . . .

:confused:

Yes, of course, and now I've lost track of in what context this was aksed - and by whom - originally . . .

:confused:


It started from a suggestion after I mentioned that using the multi-channel inputs from the 2910, on top of the 10dB boost in the player's setup, I need to set the LFE/sub level 4dB in the receiver compared to the other inputs/sound modes.

It started from a suggestion after I mentioned that using the multi-channel inputs from the 2910, on top of the 10dB boost in the player's setup, I need to set the LFE/sub level 4dB in the receiver compared to the other inputs/sound modes.
. . . and there wasn't another 4dB boost available on the 2910 . . . and lowering the other channels 4dB to get a relative boost would require you to change the receiver's master volume control causing you to lose a common reference volume between inputs?

Yes. I already boosted the sub the necessary 10dB in the player, so there wasn't room for another 4dB of boost there.

My Denon 2910 (firmware 6720-8 codefree) is connected via HDMI to my Toshiba 42WLT66. I've the tried different resolutions for

upscaling with the DVD player but to be honest I can't see any difference at all. I read somewhere though that part of the DVD

license stipulates that region 0 (which most of mine are) DVDs must play at the default resolution. Can anyone offer any advise

or clarficiation on this please?

Is there any way to see how many cummulative hours a 2910 unit was used, similar to the denon 1600? There was a way to see both CD and DVD use in hours.

I need help. Maybe I need to start over from scratch but the picture from my 2910 just doesn't look that good anymore. It appears grainy and colors seem off. The longer I watch it, it becomes tolerable but at first, it's just bad. Going to a sony 50 inch lcd via hdmi at 720p. Going through a yamaha 2600 but only switching (no conversion). I have calibrated with 3 different discs but not for a while. The color I think I can tweak a little bit. But the grainy thing, I'm not sure. Any suggestions?

Disclaimer: I recently bought an oppo 970 for my bedroom. Runs to a 32 inch lcd. I think the picture looks incredible. Different system I know but I am only mentioning due to the "psychological" aspect.

I've had my 2910 for several months with no problems until last night. :(

The unit is usually in standby mode, but someone had switched the unit off completely so my remote control wouldn't turn it on. I went to the unit and engaged the on/off switch and the green light around the standby button lit up, the LED screen displayed "DVD-2910" and then switched to "LOADING." At this point, the unit locked up and I can't do anything. No response from any buttons or the remote. I tried unplugging the unit and plugging it back in--no change. I tried pushing the "OPEN/CLOSE" button before "LOADING" popped up. I was able to get the LED screen to display "OPEN" but, again, the unit locked up before the disc tray opened.

Anybody else encounter a similar issue, and if so, any solutions?

Thanks!

Anyone have any info on playing DVD-R vs. DVDplusR? Recently bought a DVD recorder/VCR to record old family VHS tapes - came with 10 free DVDR disks - choice of plus or -; anyone one out there aware of incompatability problems if I play back on the 2910?(the recorder is a multiformat Panasonic )

I just picked up a Samsung HL-S5088W to couple with my Denon 2910. Does anyone have suggestions for this particular combination?

More specifically,

1) YCbCr or RGB?
2) 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE?
3) White clipping or black crush issues?
4) 480p or 1080i?

You opinion is highly valued.

Mark

Do you have Avia or another calibration DVD? If so, use that.

I don't think that answers his question.

I'm not even sure which post that was referring to. If that "answer" was in response to my question, it did absolutely no good.

Mark

The settings largely depend on the combination of your TV and the player, how you hook it up, etc. The BEST WAY to find out what settings you need is to use a calibration disc.

What's so difficult to understand about that?




1) YCbCr or RGB?

Depends on your TV. Maybe someone with knowledge of that TV can help. HDMI/DVI will most likely give you a better picture.

2) 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE?

Use a calibration disc to determine which combination of IRE and brightness (black level setting) produces the best picture/gamma.

3) White clipping or black crush issues?

None if you calibrate properly, assuming the TV doesn't have known issues.

4) 480p or 1080i?

Try both and see what looks best. I'm not sure what kind of TV yours is (LCD, DLP, whatever), but if it's fixed-pixel, upscale to the native resolution of your set.

The settings largely depend on the combination of your TV and the player, how you hook it up, etc. The BEST WAY to find out what settings you need is to use a calibration disc.

What's so difficult to understand about that?

Maybe a little clarification is in order based on my initial observations.

1) YCbCr vs RGB: I am not sure how to properly quantify the difference between the two with respect to a DLP based display. Nor am I aware of a test pattern on Avia, DVE, or GetGray that can be used to do so.

2) 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE: Given that I am selecting between YCbCr or RGB, the choice of 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE shouldn't be an issue because YCbCr or RGB is a digital output in which case the only parameter that should matter is the Normal/Enhanced parameter. In this case, I am using Normal because I am assuming studio levels and not PC levels. However, the choice of 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE clearly has an effect on the picture - it should not. Which leads to my next question.

3) White clipping or black crush: Based on my initial evaluation, I noticed that the 2910 was clipping whites. I don't specifically recall what my IRE setting was at this point, but I do recall that I was not able to compensate for this via the displays contrast control. Thus, the logical choice would seem to require reducing the contrast by one (Contrast -1) on the 2910.

Problem solved with respect to white clipping, but I then noticed that the DVE PLUGE pattern was not resolving BTB information thus limiting ability to adjust brightness in this regard. Hence question 2 and question 3.

4) 480p or 1080i: In this case, I am simply asking for anecdotal experience.

What's difficult to understand is the insipid response to my initial question.

Thanks,
Mark

Does anyone know if this unit would be upgradable to HDMI 1.2A via new firmware. This would be so nice so I can use HDMI for DVDA and SACD to my new Yamaha RX-V2700.

I have not seen ANY macroblocking (at 480P, or 1080i) via HDMI>DVI or DVI>DVI when the signal is sent to my Hitachi 46F510. I have found the most natural "Filmlike" picture comes from using 1080i.

I did a search in this thread re The Who Tommy DVD Audio disc and could not get any results. My SACD 5.1 layer skips and cuts out usually after the first half hour....not at repeatable spots. Has anyone had this problem. Did a newer firmware fix this?? Any help would be appreciated. I bought the unit in Oct. 2004 and have never had a firmware update on it. The SACD stereo and CD stereo layer play fine at all times. :(

Maybe a little clarification is in order based on my initial observations.

1) YCbCr vs RGB: I am not sure how to properly quantify the difference between the two with respect to a DLP based display. Nor am I aware of a test pattern on Avia, DVE, or GetGray that can be used to do so.

2) 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE: Given that I am selecting between YCbCr or RGB, the choice of 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE shouldn't be an issue because YCbCr or RGB is a digital output in which case the only parameter that should matter is the Normal/Enhanced parameter. In this case, I am using Normal because I am assuming studio levels and not PC levels. However, the choice of 0 IRE or 7.5 IRE clearly has an effect on the picture - it should not. Which leads to my next question.

3) White clipping or black crush: Based on my initial evaluation, I noticed that the 2910 was clipping whites. I don't specifically recall what my IRE setting was at this point, but I do recall that I was not able to compensate for this via the displays contrast control. Thus, the logical choice would seem to require reducing the contrast by one (Contrast -1) on the 2910.

Problem solved with respect to white clipping, but I then noticed that the DVE PLUGE pattern was not resolving BTB information thus limiting ability to adjust brightness in this regard. Hence question 2 and question 3.

4) 480p or 1080i: In this case, I am simply asking for anecdotal experience.



Mark,

I think I am using Normal black levels, not enhanced. IIRC, enhanced clipped blacks. I could be wrong. But I think I have it as Normal, no picture adjustments in the player (would rather do it on the display when at all possible), all adjustments done at the TV with no clipped whites/blacks on my Samsung DLP. Not sure what IRE I have it set to either...

Thanks Cyberbri. BTW: I didn't mean to sound rude in my last post, I just didn't understand the brevity of the response. Thanks again.

Mark

Does anyone know if this unit would be upgradable to HDMI 1.2A via new firmware.
It's a hardware issue, not firmware. So, no, there will be no firmware upgrade from 1.1 to higher revs. Welcome to HDMI, the unfinished interface that leaves obsolete equipment - and burnt consumers - in its wake.

Does this ring any bells for anyone?:

My 2910 plays DVDs just fine. CDs, however, are hit and miss. Some CDs it plays effortlessly. Other CDs it can't figure out what to do with. It spins and spins for awhile trying to figure out what I've stuck in its mouth, then it gives up and just shows 0hrs 0mins 0secs.

The same CDs play perfectly in my Rotel CD player or even in my computer. But for some reason, they cause problems in my Denon 2910. Sometimes, if I open/close the cd tray a few times, it can figure out how to load the CD. Other times, there's just no way.

One more note... This only happens on certain CDs, not on others. I initially thought this could be due to some copy protection something or the other; but the pattern isn't that clear. Some CDs I bought in 2006 play fine (others don't); some CDs I bought in 1999 play fine (others don't).

Any ideas, or do I just need to take the player to a service center?

Thanks!
Derek

The DVD player might use a different laser to read CDs than what it uses for DVDs, and the laser used for CDs may need replacement. I had a similar situation years ago (except it played CDs OK, but developed problems with some DVDs). When I brought it to a local service center, they were the ones who told me that 2 different lasers were being used, and that one of them had burned out. The DVD player was a Sony. I don't know if the Denon 2910 has similar hardware organization, even though I own a 2910. The problems playing DVDs with the old Sony got worse over time. I don't know if this is the problem you are seeing with CD playback, but you might keep it in mind.

Does this ring any bells for anyone?:

My 2910 plays DVDs just fine. CDs, however, are hit and miss. Some CDs it plays effortlessly. Other CDs it can't figure out what to do with. It spins and spins for awhile trying to figure out what I've stuck in its mouth, then it gives up and just shows 0hrs 0mins 0secs.

The same CDs play perfectly in my Rotel CD player or even in my computer. But for some reason, they cause problems in my Denon 2910. Sometimes, if I open/close the cd tray a few times, it can figure out how to load the CD. Other times, there's just no way.

One more note... This only happens on certain CDs, not on others. I initially thought this could be due to some copy protection something or the other; but the pattern isn't that clear. Some CDs I bought in 2006 play fine (others don't); some CDs I bought in 1999 play fine (others don't).

Any ideas, or do I just need to take the player to a service center?

Thanks!
Derek
This only rings a bell for me because it's been popping up on the 3910 thread recently. This is how it starts - with a few, but then it deteriorates until nothing is playable. The fix has been replacement of the laser assembly, though some have had some success opening the enclosure and cleaning it. Do that only out of warranty, or you will void the warranty.

Thanks for your thoughts. Looks like it's time to service my player. I can't remember if it's still in warranty or not. It might sound goofy, but I think I am going to stick my vacuum cleaner hose up to the open DVD slot to see if I can suck out some debris. I have a fantasy that there is some cat hair that has gotten lodged in there that could be the cause of the problem.

Thanks again,
Derek

. . I think I am going to stick my vacuum cleaner hose up to the open DVD slot to see if I can suck out some debris. I have a fantasy that there is some cat hair that has gotten lodged in there that could be the cause of the problem.
We have four cats; it is no fantasy. :)

Maybe canned compressed air might pack a bigger whollop (sp?).

Great idea about the compressed air. I think we have a can sitting around the house (the vacuum cleaner approach was unsuccessful).

I'm tempted to make this an opportunity to upgrade to the 3930, but the form factor would cause some problems for certain members of my household. :mad:

But if I get the thing serviced, I will have to live an unspecified amount of time with no DVD player. Hrmm....

FYI, I sent off an email to Denon asking for some sort of explanation of what the Bass Enhancer does and under what circumstances.. If I get an answer that I can comprehend, I'll report back. Thanks all for your help.


Hi Jrain - Any repsonse to your e-mail about this yet? Would really love to know what they say and how it was designed and/or implemented.

My 2910 is just under two years old, has latest firmware upgrade. Has anyone experienced the following problem: DVD loaded, says it is playing, but no sound and no picture via HDMI, and on the screen on the player itself "HDMI" and "1080i" keeps flashing on lower right. If I switch to component cables and optical audio, no problem. If I try again in a few hours, no problems via HDMI. I called Denon Tech support - they claim it's "a problem inherent in HDMI" (????). I going to try another HDMI cable to see if that's the problem - any input from anyone else?

My 2910 is just under two years old, has latest firmware upgrade. Has anyone experienced the following problem: DVD loaded, says it is playing, but no sound and no picture via HDMI, and on the screen on the player itself "HDMI" and "1080i" keeps flashing on lower right. If I switch to component cables and optical audio, no problem. If I try again in a few hours, no problems via HDMI. I called Denon Tech support - they claim it's "a problem inherent in HDMI" (????). I going to try another HDMI cable to see if that's the problem - any input from anyone else?

I had a similar problem with my 3930 although for me the sound still played via digital coax. I made sure pure direct was off. And switching displays and cables did not help. I ended up exchanging it for another unit. My guess it that for some reason the player cannot or will not make the HDCP handshake and the HDMI doesnt become active. Sorry I wasn't much more help.

I have my 2910 connected to a Denon 3805 and have set the audio setup to multichannel. When i try to set the Channel Level I do not get a test tone for any speaker. When i am in setup, I have the 3805 set to DVD since the 2910's component video output is connected through the 3805. Any ideas? Thanks

Set the HDMI audio to 2 channel. Not sure why, but that fixed this same problem for me. I wasn't using my HDMI connection so it was not a problem to do this (hopefully you aren't either).

I just switched TVs, and went from outputting video from my 2910 via DVI to HDMI. Now, I'm having issues with SACD & DVD-A. There is no output via my analog outputs, and on the setup menu, most of the selections on the Audio Setup are blacked out and inaccessible. Playing regular DVDs works fine, sound output via optical out. Any suggestions?

Set hdmi out to 2ch. That will open up the menus in the audio set up. This player is known for its difficult set up of sacd etc... There was a run of about 4 pages a while back explaining but good luck finding it.

Bingo! Thanks much!

Hi folks

I recently bought the DualDisc version of Björk's Homogenic:
http://www.rhino.com/store/ProductDetail.lasso?Number=73324

It failed to play the Bonus Videos in either 2ch or DTS. The audio stutters and the video is full of pixelization. It plays fine in an old Pioneer (DV-414) and my Dell D610 laptoy.

Soooo, since my last firmware upgrade on my 2910 was 6270-7 MakeDay 114 I thought I'd give 6270-A MakeDay 330 a shot. No better (worse, actually, would not play the 2ch video at all!)

Anyone have a copy they could try and let me know if it's a common problem?

Hello!

I am a proud owner of a Denon DVD 955. I have read through most of this thread and I have a question about firmware. I went to the website and recently upgraded mine to 6270-A because I have mine connected via HDMI. I read in some previous posts about 6270-D giving improved picture quality. The site that was listed for download no longer has that version. This link is bad.

Is it worth upgrading to version D and is there a place I can download it? Thanks for your help!

The site that was listed for download (of 6720-D) no longer has that version. This link is bad.

Is it worth upgrading to version D and is there a place I can download it? Thanks for your help!


I was also unable to find it there. Try this one:
http://www.fastshare.org/dlgo/DVD2910_Ver6720_D_902.zip
Anyone have an MD5 Checksum of the .cfw file to verify that this is correct?

The MD5sum for this file is:
$ md5sum d21zsavd.cfw
e2cbe0dac3915ddee7cffc5eb6e92bfd *d21zsavd.cfw

Note: not the ZIP file, the actual cfw file.
Kuyper

I was also unable to find it there. Try this one:
http://www.fastshare.org/dlgo/DVD2910_Ver6720_D_902.zip
Anyone have an MD5 Checksum of the .cfw file to verify that this is correct?

The MD5sum for this file is:
$ md5sum d21zsavd.cfw
e2cbe0dac3915ddee7cffc5eb6e92bfd *d21zsavd.cfw

Note: not the ZIP file, the actual cfw file.
Kuyper

FWiW, this file is safe and loaded no problems on my unit, but did not solve my problem of playing the videos on the DualDisc version of Björk's Homogenic.

Kuyper

FWiW, this file is safe and loaded no problems on my unit, but did not solve my problem of playing the videos on the DualDisc version of Björk's Homogenic.

Kuyper
Did you know that DualDisc is a new format that is not supported by many manufacturers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualDisc

FWiW, this file is safe and loaded no problems on my unit, but did not solve my problem of playing the videos on the DualDisc version of Björk's Homogenic.

Kuyper


Did you confirm that was the version it was on your player? Also did you notice any change in picture quality?

Tommy

DualDisc should die a horrible death, quickly too.

Did you know that DualDisc is a new format that is not supported by many manufacturers?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DualDisc

Well, mostly it's the CD side that does not conform to the Red Book standard, however, to quote:

The DVD side of a DualDisc completely conforms to the specifications set forth by the DVD Forum and DualDiscs have been cleared to use the DVD logo.

The CD side plays fine, it's the videos on the DVD side that cause the problem.

Interestingly, Pioneer are listed as a potential problem manufacturer, but as mentioned, my 1999-model DV-414 plays just fine!

Did you confirm that was the version it was on your player? Also did you notice any change in picture quality?

Tommy

I have confirmed the version number, but have not checked PQ yet (have not watched anything since flashing and confirming that the Björk disc still failed.

I will be watching something soon. I tend to use Component for my DVD and Component or HDMI for my HD-cable, but I'll switch cables and check both the Comp and DVI->HDMI of the DVD player.

Kuyper

DualDisc should die a horrible death, quickly too.

Humph! Why? I love the fact that I get both formats for the same price. I already have more copies of some discs than are sane (MFSL, SACD, DVD-A, remasters, etc) let alone having to collect the DVD of the videos too. This way I get a really good 5.1 mix and the videos to boot. Of course, having it not play detracts a little from that benefit :p

I loaded this firmware onto my player with no problems and confirmed it was version D. It also made my player region free which is nice though I doubt I will utilize that much. I cant tell if the PQ is better or not. I just recently changed all my TV settings so it is hard to compare.

I do have a question, what is the difference between the RGB and YCbCr on the HDMI? before my new TV settings I was using the Black level Enhanced option which is not available on the YCbCr. Now with the new settings I have turned that options off so which is better and what is the difference?

I do have a question, what is the difference between the RGB and YCbCr on the HDMI?
You need to determine what signal your display accepts and then set the 2910 accordingly.

Before my new TV settings I was using the Black level Enhanced option which is not available on the YCbCr. Now with the new settings I have turned that options off so which is better and what is the difference?
I'd recommend not using enhanced. Set it to normal and run your calibration DVD.

I have a Sony KDL 40S2000 and it seems to accept YCbCr and RGB via HDMI; at least it displays both. I do plan to leave the Enhanced setting off but I am curious about the difference between the YCbCr and RGB and if one is better than the other. I do need to get a calabration DVD though, the new settings on my TV were ones I got off lcdbuyingguide.com. Overall everything looks really good.

Anyone have any trouble getting a subwoofer test tone using the -D revision firmware? I don't get one unless I reset the player. I have to do that every so often to get the test tone.

Someone help. I recently bought a new speaker system (av123). I bought an equalization program for the sub (r-des). On the disc, it has test tones. Track 1 is pink noise and is what I am trying to use as my volume baseline. I can't hear any pink noise at all. As the tracks go up, you can hear the sub frequencies coming through the sub so there is some signal getting from player to receiver.

Player is running to yamaha 2600 via optical, 5.1 analog, and hdmi. I've tried everything and can't get any pink noise from track 1. I took the cd to my bedroom system- oppo 970 to yamaha ysp-800 and it worked perfect.

It's something with my set up. I even tried to run L/R analog cables out to the receivers analog inputs but still got nothing at all.

I have a Sony KDL 40S2000 and it seems to accept YCbCr and RGB via HDMI; at least it displays both. I do plan to leave the Enhanced setting off but I am curious about the difference between the YCbCr and RGB and if one is better than the other. .
Neither is better, they're just different. And your display, while it may accept both, probably has a setting somewhere to switch between the two if it does. I know this is a last ditch measure, but have you read the manual? :)

Neither is better, they're just different. And your display, while it may accept both, probably has a setting somewhere to switch between the two if it does. I know this is a last ditch measure, but have you read the manual? :)


Cover to cover (minus French and Espanol) and the explanation is very vauge. It just says YCbCr "outputs the component signals from the HDMI connector" and RGB "outputs the RGB signals from the connector". I dont just come to this forum and ask for answers without at least making my best effort to figure it out first.

I used RGB before because the Black level setting only affects the RGB signal. Also if you use DVI it is only RGB but with HDMI you have the option to switch between them. Before my new settings on the TV I mentioned the difference between them was pretty noticable (with Black level off of course) but now its not as noticable.

Anyone have any trouble getting a subwoofer test tone using the -D revision firmware? I don't get one unless I reset the player. I have to do that every so often to get the test tone.

Is it just the test tone or do you get no sound out of the sub? Is it a problem that popped up after the update?

Someone help. I recently bought a new speaker system (av123). I bought an equalization program for the sub (r-des). On the disc, it has test tones. Track 1 is pink noise and is what I am trying to use as my volume baseline. I can't hear any pink noise at all. As the tracks go up, you can hear the sub frequencies coming through the sub so there is some signal getting from player to receiver.

Player is running to yamaha 2600 via optical, 5.1 analog, and hdmi. I've tried everything and can't get any pink noise from track 1. I took the cd to my bedroom system- oppo 970 to yamaha ysp-800 and it worked perfect.

It's something with my set up. I even tried to run L/R analog cables out to the receivers analog inputs but still got nothing at all.

Cover to cover (minus French and Espanol) and the explanation is very vauge. It just says YCbCr "outputs the component signals from the HDMI connector" and RGB "outputs the RGB signals from the connector". I dont just come to this forum and ask for answers without at least making my best effort to figure it out first.
I meant the TV manual, but as thorough as you are, I'm sure you read that as well. :)

Displays/TVs that accept both signal formats rarely can sense and adjust automatically. My point is that if the TV *does* accept both, it want to be told what it's going to receive. If it *doesn't* accept both, then one is wrong.

Or I'm wrong, but that's the best answer I can provide. :)

Tommy V,

I have a sony 50 inch lcd. I believe it displays rgb. I was playing around with it one day a while back and noticed that the rgb setting looked much better than the y/cb/cr output. The color was deeper and more lifelike. The y/cb/cr was washed out. The rgb still looks a bit that way but I am planning on plugging in avia tomorrow.

pepar,

I know you know this stuff- any suggestions about my 2 ch audio problem. Is it something with the audio set up?

Someone help. I recently bought a new speaker system (av123). I bought an equalization program for the sub (r-des). On the disc, it has test tones. Track 1 is pink noise and is what I am trying to use as my volume baseline. I can't hear any pink noise at all. As the tracks go up, you can hear the sub frequencies coming through the sub so there is some signal getting from player to receiver.

Player is running to yamaha 2600 via optical, 5.1 analog, and hdmi. I've tried everything and can't get any pink noise from track 1. I took the cd to my bedroom system- oppo 970 to yamaha ysp-800 and it worked perfect.

It's something with my set up. I even tried to run L/R analog cables out to the receivers analog inputs but still got nothing at all.
Not sure I completely grok what you're doing . .

The test CD is to set sub EQ? And the pink noise is not coming through the sub? Maybe a bass management setting/issue? Mains - Large or Small? Dunno, but check bass management.

The cd has a program on it that is loaded into the computer. It also has test tones on it for calibration of the sub. Track 1 is pink noise. I am supposed to adjust the volume to a certain level and then run through the test tones, all the while plotting the spl at x-frequency into the computer program. There is this little box that gets programmed and is connected inline between the receiver and the sub.

I tried the cd in my bedroom which is an oppo 970 running to a yamaha ysp-800 via L/R analog. The pink noise played fine so the cd works. It is a set up issue with the 2910/ yamaha 2600.

I have the system set up for sacd. I got those settings from this thread a few months back and it works great. HDMI is set to 2 ch to take advantage of the 5.1 analog output. Audio menu is set to multi channel and digital output is set to normal.

The instructions to the R-DES states that you need to configure your player/receiver to send a signal to the sub as the cd is a "stereo cd". I'm obviously confused.

The cd has a program on it that is loaded into the computer. It also has test tones on it for calibration of the sub. Track 1 is pink noise. I am supposed to adjust the volume to a certain level and then run through the test tones, all the while plotting the spl at x-frequency into the computer program. There is this little box that gets programmed and is connected inline between the receiver and the sub.

I tried the cd in my bedroom which is an oppo 970 running to a yamaha ysp-800 via L/R analog. The pink noise played fine so the cd works. It is a set up issue with the 2910/ yamaha 2600.

I have the system set up for sacd. I got those settings from this thread a few months back and it works great. HDMI is set to 2 ch to take advantage of the 5.1 analog output. Audio menu is set to multi channel and digital output is set to normal.

The instructions to the R-DES states that you need to configure your player/receiver to send a signal to the sub as the cd is a "stereo cd". I'm obviously confused.
And I'm dense. :)

The LF test tones come through the sub, but the pink noise doesn't?

Right. The test tones don't come out anywhere. Not the mains, the sub, nothing! I think I need to set the audio set up menu from multi channel to 2 channel and try it.

Right. The test tones don't come out anywhere. Not the mains, the sub, nothing! I think I need to set the audio set up menu from multi channel to 2 channel and try it.
Have you played a music CD to see how that sounds?

Is it just the test tone or do you get no sound out of the sub? Is it a problem that popped up after the update?

Just the test tone. I cannot recall if it happened after the update. I don't have a copy of the -C firmware to go back to, sadly.

John Mayer and Sarah Mclaughlin played perfectly. That was played via optical, hdmi, and multi channel analog.

Tommy V,

I have a sony 50 inch lcd. I believe it displays rgb. I was playing around with it one day a while back and noticed that the rgb setting looked much better than the y/cb/cr output. The color was deeper and more lifelike. The y/cb/cr was washed out. The rgb still looks a bit that way but I am planning on plugging in avia tomorrow.


That was exactly how I felt too but now I changed all my TV settings and the difference didnt seem quite as much and the YCbCr almost looked better though Im not totally convinced. But this was off a short run on only one DVD so I plan to take a closer look this weekend.

Im going to recalibrate this weekend with the black enhancement off. I have always done it with it on and want to see if I can correct some of what I'm not liking.

John Mayer and Sarah Mclaughlin played perfectly. That was played via optical, hdmi, and multi channel analog.
Try contacting support at the company who made the sub?

I'm about done with this thing. I tried every which way possible and still couldn't get the thing to play. I unplugged my oppo from the bedroom and it played perfect. This dvd player has become ridiculous to set up.

One other thing I noticed, track 1 on this cd is 15 seconds long. The denon would go to track 2 after 11 seconds. The oppo, played all 15. I know I'm not an expert and am still learning but at some point, the lack of user friendliness hurts.

I am not sure if this is my Pio 5071hd or the player. On Lord of the rings - Return of the King there is a dark-ish line on the top and bottom of the screen. I am on firmware 6270-C that came with the Player.

The movie is probably in the 2.35:1 ratio. This widescreen aspect ratio will give you a line on top and bottom of the screen which confuses a lot of people.

What do you mean by dark-ish?

The movie is probably in the 2.35:1 ratio. This widescreen aspect ratio will give you a line on top and bottom of the screen which confuses a lot of people.

What do you mean by dark-ish?
Black level of the display is not, well . . black.

No, I am talking about the area above those bars, inside the actual movie.

No, I am talking about the area above those bars, inside the actual movie.
Not there with other sources? Not there with a different connection between 2910 and display?

Not there with other sources? Not there with a different connection between 2910 and display?

I'll check it out. I have a feeling it's Peter JAckson, but I always thought his DVD's were some of the cleanest out there.

BTW I was watching some of Dune(original 1984 movie) and it had little white dots once in a while which I guess is from Production imperfections.

Gentlemen,

I picked up my 2910 on Saturday (store demo unit,for $299 at NFM in Omaha :) ). I have not had a chance to really do anything more than connect the 6 analog & 1 toslink cable. I have a couple of questions:

1. How can you find out the mfg date?
2. How can you tell how many hours the laser has been used?
3. What is all of the talk about firmware upgrades? Why are they necessary if they don't come from the mfg (for me atleast, this is a pricey bit of equipment to be hacking on)?
4. Why is the sacd set-up so hard, I put one surround sacd disc in and only got stereo with nothing to my sub? I've tried reading thru all of the posts, but they are becoming very confusing. No HDMI or DVI out for me, I'm an early adapter (mits-ws55807 & onkyo tx-sr700 rcvr).

Any and all assistance is greatly appreciated.

EdL

Gentlemen,

I picked up my 2910 on Saturday (store demo unit,for $299 at NFM in Omaha :) ). I have not had a chance to really do anything more than connect the 6 analog & 1 toslink cable. I have a couple of questions:

1. How can you find out the mfg date?
2. How can you tell how many hours the laser has been used?
3. What is all of the talk about firmware upgrades? Why are they necessary if they don't come from the mfg (for me atleast, this is a pricey bit of equipment to be hacking on)?
4. Why is the sacd set-up so hard, I put one surround sacd disc in and only got stereo with nothing to my sub? I've tried reading thru all of the posts, but they are becoming very confusing. No HDMI or DVI out for me, I'm an early adapter (mits-ws55807 & onkyo tx-sr700 rcvr).

Any and all assistance is greatly appreciated.

EdL

mfg date should be on the back

I had no problem with SACD. Oh, You can't get SACD thru optical. SACD must be through discrete outputs. Check out the setup menu in lower right of remote. You want milti-audio output. Audioholics had a good description of setup menus. Whats a little confusing is that to get deeper into the audio setup I think you click on mulicannel on the first audio page option and it takes u deeper.

hope this helps.

You have to set hdmi audio to 2 channel in order to access some of the "deeper" audio menus. You won't get multi channel analog output without hdmi audio set to 2 channel. It sounds backwards I know.

Thanks you guys, I know have multi-channel sound :)

EdL

And don't feel bad for asking. This thread had about a 5 page run a few months back dealing exclusively with sacd set up. It's known for it's confusion. But once it's up and running, it sounds awesome. Glad it got going.

I had the fortunate opportunity to be able to purchase some new equipment lately and two of these have been the 2910 and a yamaha rx2700 receiver. Right now I have the 2910 hooked up via HDMI to the yamaha and then HDMI out to the monitor. I have been endlessly fiddling, experimenting and having fun with the setup menus on the yamaha. I haven't done much fiddling with the 2910 because I had in my brain that everything would be handled by the receiver, but now I'm not so sure. What features should be handled by the 2910 and what should be handled by the receiver?
Thanks in advance.

Anyone still have the download link for -D firmware, I'm not able to found a valid link now, thx a lot!

I would think you should be setting up the 2910 for proper multichannel audio output over HDMI. But you may find that the sound is better using the 2910's decoders or crossovers, so you may want to use analog connectors. It was hard to tell for me, except when using the receiver to do bass management on certain songs. On certain songs I'd get slight noise during certain passages (especially Norah Jones 1st album), and none when using the 2910 to do decoding and bass management.

For video, set the proper black level setting in the 2910 and calibrate on the display - assuming the display allows different settings for each input. Otherwise you'll have to calibrate the display for TV or whatever and then calibrate the 2910 settings to look correct with whatever the main display calibration settings are.

I recently added a Blu Ray player to my audio/video gear, and am now using component outputs on my 2910 (my SXRD's HDMI inputs are used for the HD Tivo and the Blu Ray).

My problem is that I can't get the 2910 to output a 16:9 picture now over component (never had the problem with HDMI). In the 2910's video setup, I've selected Wide (16:9); however the SXRD shows the picture as 4:3 (and the tv shows it is receiving 480p, 4:3 input). I can change the TV to "Full" and it stretches to fill the screen (it then looks correct); however for some reason everytime I change inputs on the TV and come back it is again at Normal (not Full) and the picture is 4:3.

Bottom line: If I can get the 2910 to output 16:9 I won't have any problems. Does anyone have any ideas?

rlb,

I too have a Sony SXRD set with "only" two HDMI inputs. I am suprised by this especially since there is no DVI connection either. One thing you need to keep in mind is that the 2910 will not upconvert unless it is connected through the HDMI or DVI. So, I connected my 2910 and PS3 via HDMI and my Tivo via component. My reasoning is that TV resolution does not go higher than 1080i yet so I will not miss anything by connecting it via component. The PS3/Blueray needs to be connected via HDMI and the 2910 in order to upconvert does as well. Shame on Sony for limiting what would otherwise be an outstanding display.

John

Anyone still have the download link for -D firmware, I'm not able to found a valid link now, thx a lot!

I have it if you want me to send it to you. It's an region free version tho. quite old now, not sure if they ever released anything newer. my player is grey market and my serial number will not get me into the Denon site.

HD cable looks better over digital (HDMI/DVI), but yes, if you only have 2 HDMI inputs component is close enough for HD cable. I use component as well, DVI for my 2910, and VGA for my Xbox 360. This is on a 3yo Samsung DLP. I just wish DVI/HDMI switchers weren't $200-300...

My HP 6580 display also has only 2 HDMI inputs and I have my 2910 and PS3 connected via HDMI and the Moto cable box connected via component using the same reasoning that the 2910 needs HDMI for upconverting and the PS3 outputs 1080p to my 1080p display via HDMI.

The cable box does fine with component and I figure it is the least critical of the 3 sources to use HDMI. This will hold me over until I get a HDMI switching receiver.

I can change the TV to "Full" and it stretches to fill the screen (it then looks correct); however for some reason everytime I change inputs on the TV and come back it is again at Normal (not Full) and the picture is 4:3.

Sounds to me like you've already found the problem -- it's the TV's defaults, not the player. I have the same problem with an XBOX on the component input of a Sony 34" direct view. It doesn't automatically snap into Full when fed a widescreen 480p signal. But if the picture looks right when you manually set the TV to Full, then the player IS doing its job correctly.

Sounds to me like you've already found the problem -- it's the TV's defaults, not the player. I have the same problem with an XBOX on the component input of a Sony 34" direct view. It doesn't automatically snap into Full when fed a widescreen 480p signal. But if the picture looks right when you manually set the TV to Full, then the player IS doing its job correctly.

Might be the case; but the TV "info mode" says it's getting a 480p, 4:3 picture. It correctly identifies 4:3 or 16:9 picture with other components.

HEy All,

PLEASE help me before I beat my 2910-955 with a hammer!

Here is my problem. I have a 65" Panasonic Plasma. I bought this DVD player to use it with this HD Plasma. When I plug the HDMI cable into the DVD player to the TV, I get NO PICTURE. Sound is fine. I check the super audio settings, and my video is ON.

The HDMI input on the TV works fine with any other devices like my cable box and or another DVD player I also have.


The kicker is.... This is the 2nd 2910 I have tried in two days... So the chances of them both having bad ports are slim to none I would think.


Does anyone have any suggestions?

There is an HDMI/DVI button on the remote, and I think on the front of the player as well. Set it to HDMI and set the resolution (720p, 1080i, etc.). That should do it. Right now it's probably set to DVI or Off.

There is an HDMI/DVI button on the remote, and I think on the front of the player as well. Set it to HDMI and set the resolution (720p, 1080i, etc.). That should do it. Right now it's probably set to DVI or Off.


Thanks for your help. But I tried all of those settings... HDMI RGB, and HDMI Cr C y and nothing works! But anything else I plug into my TV does?

Quick question about set up.

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I have a denon 2910 hooked to yamaha 2600 via optical and multi channel input. I have a calibration test tone disc for my rocket sub that I can't get to play. Is there anything special about the set up with the denon to play 2 channel with sub? I had to cannibalize my oppo 970 from my bedroom and hook it up through the front av inputs on the yamaha and it worked just fine.

Any suggestions? I have tried it through optical, multi channel and r/l analog with no luck from the denon. What settings do fellow 2910 owners have for 2 channel listening?

There may be some settings internally in the menus. But are you using the 2-channel analog outputs from the 2910?


I don't remember what exactly my menu settings are, but this is how I have mine set up:

Digital output to DVD input on receiver - not used except to set DD calibration levels with Avia

2-channel l/r analogs to CD input on receiver - not used except for setting calibration levels for surround modes with Avia

6-channel analog outputs to multichannel input on receiver - used in conjunction with multichannel speaker settings in 2910 for DVDs and CDs. I use my receiver's 6-channel input for DVDs, and 8-channel (same connections, just different "input" on reciever) for CDs with bass down 2 notches (calibrated flat with speakers) from level of sub on 6-chan for movies

I don't normally have 2 channel analog set up but I can plug them in pretty quickly. I did that when I initially tried this about a month ago and didn't get much.

I need to clarify. It isn't that no sound at all came out of the denon. It was very faint, and I had to crank the volume quite a bit. Then my Rocket 850s would pop, which made me about puke, so I turned it back down. So it isn't completely silent, I just don't have it set up right.

So I am wondering if I need to set the receiver to "Straight" for pcm and then adjust the denon's settings within the audio menus. Does the hdmi audio menu have any affect on the 2 channel analog? I know that hdmi has to be set to 2 channel to get multi channel output functionality.

A post from another thread mentioned that I should set the avr to output bass to both fronts and sub. Any thoughts on that? I never tried that.

That wouldn't answer, however, why the oppo worked though. What about the speaker config within the denon?

Don't send bass to the mains and the sub.

Speaker config in the Denon only matters if you use the multichannel outputs into multichannel inputs on the receiver.

I do this for DVDs (DD and DTS), which means that the Denon does the decoding and bass management before sending an individual signal for each channel to the receiver.

I use multi channel for casual music listening and optical for movies/tv.

Does the 2910 have trouble with "mixed" discs? Meaning, discs that have audio tracks and data on them. More specifically, a disc that holds a program for a computer but when put in a cd player, has audio test tracks. I think that may be my problem with the r-des disc from onix.

Does the 2910 have trouble with "mixed" discs? Meaning, discs that have audio tracks and data on them. More specifically, a disc that holds a program for a computer but when put in a cd player, has audio test tracks. I think that may be my problem with the r-des disc from onix.
The formats for data and music CDs are different. Your CD burning software probably offers you those exact choices when you first launch it. I'm pretty sure that if you add music tracks to a disc that was previously created as a data disc, the music will go on as data files - still playable on a computer, but not a CD/DVD player. I am less sure what happens if one tries to add data files to a CD previously burnt as a music CD. But there's a good chance you've already hit upon your problem.

I decided to try HDMI with my 2910 for the first time. Unfortunately, the bloody thing doesn't seem to work. I ran the player (firmware 6720-D) through my SR9600 receiver and then HDMI out to my TV. The player acknowledged the SR9600 (as the HDMI part was not flashing), but the receiver did not. It kept defaulting to Analogue even after forcing it to go HDMI (it just flashed). Thinking it might be my receiver, I hooked the player up to my Sony KDL-V32XBR1 TV directly. Again, the player acknowledged the TV (no flashing on the screen) but failed to produce any audio or video (again). Anyone ever have this problem? I used the same brand of cable (Acoustic Research) in both hookups albeit in different lengths. I'm not sure if cable makes a difference. It seems like the problem lies with the player as it produced similar results when going through the receiver and the TV. Any suggestions or just call Denon for support?

do you have any other HDMI devices? If you do and they do work in your current setup I'd say something is wrong with the player.

Nothing in my current setup though I tested the player on another TV with HDMI (a DLP Sony) and got the same result.

I don't know jack about HDMI, but it worked fine going straight from my 2910 to my Samsung 5674 TV

I decided to try HDMI with my 2910 for the first time. Unfortunately, the bloody thing doesn't seem to work. I ran the player (firmware 6720-D) through my SR9600 receiver and then HDMI out to my TV. The player acknowledged the SR9600 (as the HDMI part was not flashing), but the receiver did not. It kept defaulting to Analogue even after forcing it to go HDMI (it just flashed). Thinking it might be my receiver, I hooked the player up to my Sony KDL-V32XBR1 TV directly. Again, the player acknowledged the TV (no flashing on the screen) but failed to produce any audio or video (again). Anyone ever have this problem? I used the same brand of cable (Acoustic Research) in both hookups albeit in different lengths. I'm not sure if cable makes a difference. It seems like the problem lies with the player as it produced similar results when going through the receiver and the TV. Any suggestions or just call Denon for support?
Get you manual and recheck all of your settings, including any that might be accessible from the remote. (I don't use HDMI on my 2910.) There are a few issues with switching HDMI, but it should work when connected directly to a display.

Checked everything and went through the manual a dozen times. I'm going to call tech support

Well, I was told that players made on or after June have 1.1 HDMI. With this HDMI switch I would assume that a firmware change would have been implemented at that time. But others may know better. :)

Craig

Reading thru this thread as I have just acquired a Denon 2910. It has a manufacture date of April 2005, and a little add-on sticker below the HDMI port that says 'ver 1.1'. I don't have an HDMI cable, or a receiver/projector to accept a signal from it yet, so I don't know how else to confirm it is more than just a sticker applied by the manufacturer. But I thought the information might still be useful to someone.

My player is v1.1 as is my receiver. After talking to customer support, I took it to an authorized repair facility. 7-10 business days was the estimate so I'll let you know then what the problem was (if anyone cares)

Anyone know where to get the 6720-B f/w? I'd like to try -D but I would like to be able to roll back to -B if needed. All I can get from Denon is -A for some reason.

Thanks!!

how do you roll back to previous firmware?

how do you roll back to previous firmware?
Re-flash with the older version.

by re-flash you mean just reload like before?

Anyone know where to get the 6720-B f/w? I'd like to try -D but I would like to be able to roll back to -B if needed. All I can get from Denon is -A for some reason.

Thanks!!
"A" is all their site's offering me as well. Where did you find "B" and "D"? I suspect that you might already know this, but if you google "Denon 2910 firmware" (w/o quotes) there are 3rd party sites with official and un-official firmware versions, including "B".

by re-flash you mean just reload like before?
Yessir.

I'm really thinking DVI is the best connection the 2910 has. I recently bought a Toshiba HD-A1 and that took the place on my HDMI connection that my 2910 was on. Over DVI the 2910's green push and macroblocking issues I encountered over HDMI are greatly and truly noticably reduced.
Just to confirm, I went back to HDMI, the green push and macroblocking are indeed worse, and I also noticed the obvious menu lag the 2910 has is only present over HDMI, over DVI skipping around the menus is as responsive as my A1 over HDMI.

Also the 2910 is an much superior deinterlacer than the A1. Playing interlaced video over the A1 is almost like playing it raw on a PC screen with obvious combing. On the 2910 you really have to look for such problems.

Just to confirm, I went back to HDMI, the green push and macroblocking are indeed worse, and I also noticed the obvious menu lag the 2910 has is only present over HDMI, over DVI skipping around the menus is as responsive as my A1 over HDMI.
You could use a DVI-to-HDMI adapter (or cable).

I actually noticed more noise in the picture out on the DVI port compared to the HDMI.

I actually noticed more noise in the picture out on the DVI port compared to the HDMI.

If it is any consolation, I have noticed the same thing although I couldn't tell you why.

Mark

Where did you find "B" and "D"? I suspect that you might already know this, but if you google "Denon 2910 firmware" (w/o quotes) there are 3rd party sites with official and un-official firmware versions, including "B".

B is what's on there now, D came from one of the sites you mentioned. I never found a downloadable B anywhere...

I was able to get an official US -D emailed to me from a helpful Denon CSR but I have not gone back and asked him for -B yet.

B is what's on there now, D came from one of the sites you mentioned. I never found a downloadable B anywhere...
"B" might be an internal (to Denon) version that was never downloadable. There were some 3910 versions like that. Only those who's players went in for service got the "internal" version(s).

The only downloadable ones I've come across are -8, -A and -D MultiRegion. My unit shipped with -C.

An update on my HDMI problem, seems like the jack and its connectors were bad. Too bad I didn't notice until a month out of warranty....argghhhh.

i reverted back to -A firmware since i wanted to keep my firmware "genuine" from Denon. i don't understand why Denon never released any newer versions for download.

Carmine.

i reverted back to -A firmware since i wanted to keep my firmware "genuine" from Denon. i don't understand why Denon never released any newer versions for download.

Carmine.

They did, but you had to have a certain serial number to have access to them. If you sent your machine in for repair, they would update it. I have an official copy of the -D firmware if you're interested.

i reverted back to -A firmware since i wanted to keep my firmware "genuine" from Denon. i don't understand why Denon never released any newer versions for download.
Firmware revs are typically released to fix bugs and implement new features that were already possible with existing hardware. I'd guess that the 3910 is a mature product with no more bugs and no un-implemented features remaining to be turned on. I have no idea why units returned to Denon come back with later revs, but perhaps the work Denon did on them involved putting in newer/different parts than original and those required a bit of a code change. I don't remember anyone with a newer rev posting on any new features.

They did, but you had to have a certain serial number to have access to them. If you sent your machine in for repair, they would update it. I have an official copy of the -D firmware if you're interested.
See my post above. There's probably a good reason why only a certain (newer?) range of serial numbers got access to newer revs. Apply at your own risk! :)

Hey guys, do any of you know what fixes the - D firmware implemented?

Thank you!
Carmine.

Just to confirm, I went back to HDMI, the green push and macroblocking are indeed worse, and I also noticed the obvious menu lag the 2910 has is only present over HDMI, over DVI skipping around the menus is as responsive as my A1 over HDMI.

Damnationdormat,

Just out of curiosity, what is your build date? Does it have HDMI 1.1 or 1.0?

HEy All,

PLEASE help me before I beat my 2910-955 with a hammer!

Does anyone have any suggestions?


Sorry if this is a dumb response, but have you played around with your Video Setup on the 2910 to see if any of the settings work?

Could anyone clarify the DVD-A 192KHz/24bit playback on the 2910/955S? I've got a DVD-A that plays 96/24 surround or 192/24 stereo (Best of REM). I set up the player in video mode and see the pcm display (not dts or dd) and hear the analog surround signal. I switch the pure direct to off and insert the cd and hear the same analog surround. So... am I only hearing the 96/24 playback, or am I maybe somehow hearing the 192/24 stereo playback converted to 96/24 surround (as the 955S manual's playback chart seems to suggest). Or am I completely wrong here? It just seems to me that I can't access the 192/24 mode. Thanks.

Could anyone clarify the DVD-A 192KHz/24bit playback on the 2910/955S? I've got a DVD-A that plays 96/24 surround or 192/24 stereo (Best of REM). I set up the player in video mode and see the pcm display (not dts or dd) and hear the analog surround signal. I switch the pure direct to off and insert the cd and hear the same analog surround. So... am I only hearing the 96/24 playback, or am I maybe somehow hearing the 192/24 stereo playback converted to 96/24 surround (as the 955S manual's playback chart seems to suggest). Or am I completely wrong here? It just seems to me that I can't access the 192/24 mode. Thanks.
Just going through this now with my 3910. Set the player to AUDIO mode and it will make the the hi-res tracks available.

Sorry. I meant I had it set up in audio mode. I noticed that video mode used the dvd audio formats (dts and dd) and changed over to audio mode to use the DVD-A formats. It seems like audio mode uses the 96 KHz mode but there's no way to use the 192Khz audio mode. I guess the question is, is there a way to get the 192Khz mode to play when the DVD is in audio mode? Again, sorry for the mistake.

Audio mode? Is that pure direct?

Yeah, The pure direct mode is set to off. The menu setting for the DVD-A is audio instead of video. I've tried setting the source direct setting to on and off. Both still seem to play back in surround sound, which leads me to believe that it's 96KHz or (god forbid) a compressed 48KHz output. There's just no way to tell what is being output and what the player is capable of. So I'm wondering if I can ever really hear the 192KHz stereo output on this player. I've searched thru this thread and googled this, but haven't found anything to answer this question. I'd really like to know though. I'm hoping to be able to hear the 192/24 stereo version of the disk.

Does the remote have an "Audio" button?

My 2930 does and when pressed it shows me onscreen (assuming you are hooked up to a display) what resolution is being output.

Sorry. I meant I had it set up in audio mode. I noticed that video mode used the dvd audio formats (dts and dd) and changed over to audio mode to use the DVD-A formats. It seems like audio mode uses the 96 KHz mode but there's no way to use the 192Khz audio mode. I guess the question is, is there a way to get the 192Khz mode to play when the DVD is in audio mode? Again, sorry for the mistake.
Any 192KHz tracks would only be available in AUDIO mode, but does the disc you're playing definitely have 192KHz tracks? Not all discs use all of the formats available and you can only play what's there. I have very few DVD-As that have 192KHz/24-bit tracks and those tracks are stereo. The highest resolution 5.1 any of my discs have is 96KHz/24-bit with some at 48KHz/24-bit. One DVD-A - Eric Clapton's Reptile - has 48KHz/16-bit stereo tracks.

Audio mode? Is that pure direct?
No, it's not. AUDIO mode accesses the hi-res tracks on a DVD-A, which also has good ole 5.1 Dolby Digital and or DTS. These tracks are accessed when in VIDEO mode.

PURE DIRECT has something to do with playing CDs and bypassing some internal circuitry. I understand PURE DIRECT in a AVR or pre/pro, but I'm less sure of the benefit in a DVD player.

Yeah, The pure direct mode is set to off. The menu setting for the DVD-A is audio instead of video. I've tried setting the source direct setting to on and off. Both still seem to play back in surround sound, which leads me to believe that it's 96KHz or (god forbid) a compressed 48KHz output. There's just no way to tell what is being output and what the player is capable of. So I'm wondering if I can ever really hear the 192KHz stereo output on this player. I've searched thru this thread and googled this, but haven't found anything to answer this question. I'd really like to know though. I'm hoping to be able to hear the 192/24 stereo version of the disk.
When in AUDIO mode playing a DVD-A, only the speaker/bass management settings have ANY effect on the sound. I've not played DVD-A's on my 2910, but my 3910 displays "DVD" and "AUDIO" when reading the hi-res tracks on a DVD-A. It simply says "DVD" when playing a DVD, or the standard DD/DTS tracks on a DVD-A. I'm relatively sure the 2910 displays the same info.

Does the remote have an "Audio" button?

My 2930 does and when pressed it shows me onscreen (assuming you are hooked up to a display) what resolution is being output.
Heeeeey, this is the 2910 thread! :D

If I may jump in here, my receiver decodes 96/24 so my Denon would be able to pass it over SPDIF is that correct? I don't know how else my receiver would decode it as it does not take audio over HDMI or firewire.

If I may jump in here, my receiver decodes 96/24 so my Denon would be able to pass it over SPDIF is that correct? I don't know how else my receiver would decode it as it does not take audio over HDMI or firewire.
If you're talking about the hi-res tracks on a DVD-A, that does NOT pass over S/PDIF or HDMI. If a player doesn't have Firewire (or Denon Link), there is only one way to listen to DVD-A hi-res aidio: Six analog cables connected to the multichannel analog bypass inputs on an AVR or pre/pro. In this case, the "decoding" is done in the player.

OK, then how does my Rotel RSX 1057 do this? It has a DTS 96/24 logo on the front and it is listed in the owners manual.

Also can't DVD-A be passed over HDMI on players equipped with v1.1?

It's possible that even though the back of the case says it can play 96 surround and 192 stereo, that it only has the 96 surround. The problem I'm having is that there doesn't seem to be a way to select between audio formats unless Player Mode is set to Video, in which case there's only DTS and DD. When set to Audio, and Direct Mode is set to Normal, there's no tv output (as it should be) and the dvd display says P.PCM and shows the 6 speakers. At this point, it seems to be that you get what you get, and you have no control over anything else. But everything I've read says if you switch Direct Mode to Off and you get a better sound. What I can't discern is whether or not that better sound means the player somehow kicks into the higher resolution 192Khz format, or if it is still playing in the same Normal mode format with less interference from the video circuitry. The other variable is the chart on manual page 13 which says Linear PCM or Packed PCM 192KHz /16~24bit format with LPCM Select turned off in the player's menu comes through at 96KHz/16~24bit PCM. But I would still think that in the case of this 192 stereo track that it would still come out in stereo even if it's being converted as the manual states. Am I misunderstanding or missing something?

OK, then how does my Rotel RSX 1057 do this? It has a DTS 96/24 logo on the front and it is listed in the owners manual.
Some CDs are encoded with DTS at 96/24 and that passes to the receiver via digital optical or coaxial. Not many CD's though. It's mostly just a pretty logo for the front and the brochures. ;)

Some CDs are encoded with DTS at 96/24 and that passes to the receiver via digital optical or coaxial. Not many CD's though. It's mostly just a pretty logo for the front and the brochures. ;)


Another "cool" feature that will never be utilized.

Also can't DVD-A be passed over HDMI on players equipped with v1.1?
Don't think so. Have never heard that. Not even sure about 1.3, and with BD/HD-DVD here - which I think will - there may be no further "work" on DVD-A.

Could anyone clarify the DVD-A 192KHz/24bit playback on the 2910/955S? I've got a DVD-A that plays 96/24 surround or 192/24 stereo (Best of REM). I set up the player in video mode and see the pcm display (not dts or dd) and hear the analog surround signal. I switch the pure direct to off and insert the cd and hear the same analog surround. So... am I only hearing the 96/24 playback, or am I maybe somehow hearing the 192/24 stereo playback converted to 96/24 surround (as the 955S manual's playback chart seems to suggest). Or am I completely wrong here? It just seems to me that I can't access the 192/24 mode. Thanks.

I have a Denon 2910. Here is how I access the 192/24 hi-rez stereo:
1) put in a disc with hi-rez stereo (Frank Sinatra at the Sands, Chicago II, Yes Fragile, etc.)
2) From the on-screen menu, select stereo (not multichannel).
3) Your analog outputs will now send a hi-rez stereo output to your AVR receiver.
4) Place the AVR receiver in external mode to accept the signal from the analog inputs.
5) You can verify the 192/24 stereo playback by pressing the display button five times. This is the button in the upper right hand corner of the center joystick area. It toggles through 5 positions; the fifth being a description of sample rate and bit depth.

From what I've read I wondered if you were bypassing step 2. Hope this helps,
George

I have a Denon 2910. Here is how I access the 192/24 hi-rez stereo:
1) put in a disc with hi-rez stereo (Frank Sinatra at the Sands, Chicago II, Yes Fragile, etc.)
2) From the on-screen menu, select stereo (not multichannel).
3) Your analog outputs will now send a hi-rez stereo output to your AVR receiver.
4) Place the AVR receiver in external mode to accept the signal from the analog inputs.
5) You can verify the 192/24 stereo playback by pressing the display button five times. This is the button in the upper right hand corner of the center joystick area. It toggles through 5 positions; the fifth being a description of sample rate and bit depth.

From what I've read I wondered if you were bypassing step 2. Hope this helps,
George
Or perhaps, as I asked the OP, the disc has no 192/24 tracks. The specs as I've found them:

Advanced Resolution Multi-Channel Surround Sound (96 KHz/24-BIT)
Advanced Resolution Stereo (96 KHz/24-BIT)
Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround Sound
dts 5.1 Surround Sound
Dolby Digital 2.0 Stereo

Or perhaps, as I asked the OP, the disc has no 192/24 tracks.



I have the Best of REM DVD-A and it is excellent in multi-channel. That being said, it states on the case that there is supposed to be a 192/24 Stereo track but I remember not being able to get to it--After I get some coffee down I will try it again... :)

I have the Best of REM DVD-A and it is excellent in multi-channel. That being said, it states on the case that there is supposed to be a 192/24 Stereo track but I remember not being able to get to it--After I get some coffee down I will try it again... :)

Wouldn't be surprised if it's as simple as no 192/24 track.

I went through the same thing trying to locate the "high resolution stereo track" on Natalie Merchant's Tigerlily DVD-A only to eventually find out that there is in fact no dedicated hi-rez stereo track.....just a downmix of the 5.1.

Thanks to everyone for your responses. georgeshannon, your post gave me an idea that may or may not have gotten me to the 192KHz track. I tried the stereo speaker setting, but the dvd still played the surround format. I tried the display button, but couldn't get the player's display to tell me anything. I turned on the Video option, but of course I was back to DTS and DD again. But that's where the idea came in. I feel a bit stupid for not trying this already, but I switched back to Audio mode and multichannel and then tried the audio button. Imagine that. I hit audio on the remote and pushed the up arrow and got a P.PCM light with a two speaker track display! I have to think that since the stereo indicator isn't shown on the DVD display, that I'm now listening to the 2 channel 192KHz format. I guess the only question, which I fear is true, is whether or not the 192KHz signal is being downgraded to 96KHz by the player. Regardless, it does sound good. Thanks again to everyone for helping me to work this out.

Just a follow-up after some research on the REM Best Of In Time DVD-A disk. Sounds like it wasn't worth the hassle anyway. Sorry if this is beyond the scope of this forum. Thought I'd post it since it sheds light on what is actually on the disk, even though it's not fun to read.

From http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.php?t=96860&page=5

"I ripped all the "In Time" 192K stereo wav files and used Adobe Audition to downsample to 96K. I sure it didn't hurt the audio quality, since the waves were already brick-wall filtered at 24K and mangled with watermarks....

If you see a brickwall such as in the REM file above it's not a natural event. It has been put by the sound engineer to make a 44/16 master to be used in CD.

People like me who purchase DVD-Audio doesn't want that filter in the signal, and usually it's not there."

If you press the DISPLAY button on the remote (circular button to top-right of center arrow keys), you can cycle through the OSD and readout display for played/remaining and total played/remaining. Press DISPLAY a fifth time, and the OSD will tell you what bit rate/depth you're getting. I just tested this out because of your posts. I had 88/24 on Beck - Seachange (great album!), and 96/24 on Blue Man Group.

The product sheet on the 2910 says it does 192/24 D/A decoding.

If you press the DISPLAY button on the remote (circular button to top-right of center arrow keys), you can cycle through the OSD and readout display for played/remaining and total played/remaining. Press DISPLAY a fifth time, and the OSD will tell you what bit rate/depth you're getting. I just tested this out because of your posts. I had 88/24 on Beck - Seachange (great album!), and 96/24 on Blue Man Group.

The product sheet on the 2910 says it does 192/24 D/A decoding.
Yes of course. Anything that has the DVD Audio logo handles all DVD-A formats, including 192KHz/24-bit advanced resolution stereo.

Thanks for your response, cyberbri. I can't get the 5th display screen to appear on the dvd display, which is the only place I can see anything when I'm playing the pcm tracks. I can see the other 4 display modes with their different times/time remaining, but when I hit the 5th, I'm not seeing anything change. Though it looks like I'd see the 5th display mode if the tv screen was receiving a signal. Are you somehow able to play the pcm formats when Video Mode is enabled? I can't seem to do that. I only see the DD and DTS formats displayed in that mode. Or are you seeing the format information on the player's digital display? If so, I don't know how to make that happen either. Frustrating.

I've fixed the display issue. It was the firmware. I had ESS 6720-4. Upgraded to their site's ESS 6720-A. Now when I play in Audio Mode, I see the tv display and the PCM formats. Everything's as it should be.

I've fixed the display issue. It was the firmware. I had ESS 6720-4. Upgraded to their site's ESS 6720-A. Now when I play in Audio Mode, I see the tv display and the PCM formats. Everything's as it should be.

Did you get that firmware update from Denon's site after using your player's serial number? If it gave you that firmware that will lend credence to the theory that firmwares are meant for certain build dates....

Did you get that firmware update from Denon's site after using your player's serial number? If it gave you that firmware that will lend credence to the theory that firmwares are meant for certain build dates....
It is quite common for hardware builds to change during a model's manufacturing cycle and for firmware builds to change with it. And as its been speculated here, applying a newer rev to an "older" unit may do nothing at all or worse, do harm.

I'm currious as well. Perhaps when people get a firmware from the Denon website, they can include what their build month/year is from the back of the receiver.

I have Build April 2005 (HDMI 1.1)
Firmware ESS 6720-9

When I log in it says that there are no firmware updates at this time.

So that leave me with 'what do ESS 6720-A, B, C, D do?'. there is a description for the A version with the upgrade instructions.

Another member here did ask what the revisions did and received this reply:

"I don't recall exactly without researching it. Some relatively minor changes overall under some special conditions that were reported."

I guess I'll (drum-roll....) ASK Denon directly :) Will let everyone know what I find out.

I'm currious as well. Perhaps when people get a firmware from the Denon website, they can include what their build month/year is from the back of the receiver.
It's done by serial number.

When I log in it says that there are no firmware updates at this time.
Then there are none for you.

So that leave me with 'what do ESS 6720-A, B, C, D do?'. there is a description for the A version with the upgrade instructions.
Stop tormenting yourself. :)

When I gave the website my serial number, is said no updates were available. I gave the same serial number to the CSR I spoke with via email and was given the -D f/w. Either the website or the CSR was applying the wrong logic to the situation.

When I gave the website my serial number, is said no updates were available. I gave the same serial number to the CSR I spoke with via email and was given the -D f/w. Either the website or the CSR was applying the wrong logic to the situation.
Have you applied it yet? And if so, do you notice any changes?

When I gave the website my serial number, is said no updates were available. I gave the same serial number to the CSR I spoke with via email and was given the -D f/w. Either the website or the CSR was applying the wrong logic to the situation.
That's what I thought I read in a (much earlier) post.

Pepar has some valid points to be concerned about regarding matching firmware/hardware builds. The slight chance it isn't the best thing to do (and time) is the only reason I haven't tried yet. But I also know 'don't believe everything you see/read on the internet when people are still pushing the buttons' (referring to the Denon website that is).

I don't know/think anyone has asked that pointed question about the relationship between serial number/firmware of Denon (I just did, will let you know the response). It could be that the engineers were able to perform a few tweaks for some rare circumstances AFTER the web-support division stopped the administrative task of updates for the 2910. Worst failures of communication witin a company have happened before. It could be that A/B/C ARE hardware specific, but D is universal. And no one bothered/had time to update the website. I'll give myself a couple more days of torment before giving up :D

Yes, I loaded it and it is no better or worse than -B to my eye - I haven't run any calibration software with it. There are no new menu items that I have found.

My feeling is it it fixes specific issues like "it won't play this disk" or "it won't link with this HDMI monitor". I'm guessing there's not global features or pic quality changes.

The 6720-A firmware I loaded was from their website using my serial #. My player is a 955S manufactured Sept. 2004. I thought it also fixed a horrible skipping problem I was having with the NIN Downward Spiral SACD on tracks 9 thru 11, but it showed up on track 14 again. I'm wondering if it's a condition that's caused after the disk has been playing for awhile. After it starts, it doesn't stop and it gets more frequent as the disk plays. Anyone else have this problem? I haven't had this happen on anything else.

I tried to serial number search on their website and it said no firmware updates available. I called a customer representative and he said that is not always accurate. He searched and found an update and e-mailed it to me. It was the 6720-D version. It was to correct the magenta color coming through the HDMI connection. Bill

Has anyone else had problems with the special features James Bond dvd's? All my disks come up with a chinese menu.

Edmundo, probably a problem with the language settings of the player. mildbill, thanks for the info.

Or, you ended up with bootleg copies.

Already checked the language options, nothing there. I bought them at Costco 8)

I've read of this problem on the hometheaterforum.com. Pull up the Bond thread and do a search on Denon players. A lot of people are reporting problems.

Speaking of disc problems, has anyone played Hellboy: Sword of Storms? It features a "follow the white rabbit" type of icon that you can select during the movie for behind the scenes features. The problem is, the icon, in this case a fox, is always displayed on screen despite the setting. That is, if you turn the feature "off", you see the icon but you cannot select it. If you turn the feature "on", you can select the icon.

Thoughts?

Quick question. I'm sure its been addressed before but I cant find it. Has anyone experienced a difficulty in the DVD 2910 processing black images during playback. Although the picture quality is great, black seems to wash out in stages like a shadow. My TV is a HD Mits w/ playback in 1080p DLP. Is there an adjustment that fixes this problem or is there something else I need to look into. Thank you ! :)

Quick question. I'm sure its been addressed before but I cant find it. Has anyone experienced a difficulty in the DVD 2910 processing black images during playback. Although the picture quality is great, back seems to wash out in stages like a shadow. My TV is a HD Mits w/ playback in 1080p DLP. Is there an adjustment that fixes this problem or is there something else I need to look into. Thank you ! :)

Sorry , I don't have an answer but would like to second the question.
On certain DVDs I have noticed black scenes have a green and/or purple look to them. Kind of like MB in a way. Hard to describe.
Wonder if it's my display

It's most likely the display. Have either of you had your display calibrated?

It's most likely the display. Have either of you had your display calibrated?

I've tried tweaking it myself using DVE with so so results.

The TV is headed into the shop soon (for another reason).
I'll have them look into it.

It may have to be done in the service menu (usually done by a pro), unless there is something wrong with the set.

It's most likely the display. Have either of you had your display calibrated?

I've tried tinkering w/ every setting I can think of. The TV doesn't have a problem processing Black in HD or SD in movies from the satellite signal. I suspect its a setting on the DVD player I am missing perhaps. I have not experimented w/ the connections yet. I currently use HDMI & fiber optic connection.

I used the remote sequence to make my Denon region free. I also upgraded the firmware to -D and my dvd is still region free. The only problem is that I can't check the firmware version. I've tried multiple times with no luck.

Any thoughts?

I give up. Can anyone tell me how to get the 2910 to play an SACD. I can play everything but. I get no sound at all. Thank you !!

I give up. Can anyone tell me how to get the 2910 to play an SACD. I can play everything but. I get no sound at all. Thank you !!

Do you have the player hooked up via the analogue inputs? Are you setting your receiver to the analogue inputs? Are you using HDMI? SACD does not pass over HDMI under versions less than 1.3.

I give up. Can anyone tell me how to get the 2910 to play an SACD. I can play everything but. I get no sound at all. Thank you !!

Make sure you've connected the analog outputs (6 RCA jacks) on the 2910 to the corresponding inputs on your preamp. Make sure your preamp is set to use the direct analog inputs instead of optical or coaxial digital outputs.

Make sure you've connected the analog outputs (6 RCA jacks) on the 2910 to the corresponding inputs on your preamp. Make sure your preamp is set to use the direct analog inputs instead of optical or coaxial digital outputs.


You guys answered my question. Thank you !!! Denon really needs to work on their instruction manuals. Thank goodness for forums like this and people willing to help others. Thanks again !!!

Do you have the player hooked up via the analogue inputs? Are you setting your receiver to the analogue inputs? Are you using HDMI? SACD does not pass over HDMI under versions less than 1.3.

HDMI 1.2 actually supports it. I don't beleive there as a player yet that can send it as DSD though.

http://www.hdmi.org/consumer/faq.asp#hdmi_specification

You guys answered my question. Thank you !!! Denon really needs to work on their instruction manuals. Thank goodness for forums like this and people willing to help others. Thanks again !!!

That and they need to stop with the stupid HDMI stopping the analogue outputs from working. Nothing like having to go into your settings every time you want to listen to an SACD. Bleh.

That and they need to stop with the stupid HDMI stopping the analogue outputs from working. Nothing like having to go into your settings every time you want to listen to an SACD. Bleh.

You can toggle HDMI on and off, plus toggle between HDMI RGB, HDMI Y Cb Cr, and DVI using the HDMI/DVI button on the remote. No need to go into the settings.

Turn HDMI off, adjust your analogue settings the way you like them, and then just use the remote to turn HDMI on or off as required. There's no need to keep going into the settings.


David Aiken

You can toggle HDMI on and off, plus toggle between HDMI RGB, HDMI Y Cb Cr, and DVI using the HDMI/DVI button on the remote. No need to go into the settings.

Turn HDMI off, adjust your analogue settings the way you like them, and then just use the remote to turn HDMI on or off as required. There's no need to keep going into the settings.


David Aiken

Yeah, I realized that after I made that post. Though after three repairs to my 2910 in order to get the HDMI jack working (still isn't), I've decided to get a different player.

Hello,

I've had my 2910 for 5 months or so now with NO probs at all.

The last week or so though i have noticed 3-4 times on different DVD's ( not on cable tv viewing) I get white blocks/ White squares in different spots on the screen. Some 1"h X 3" long ,, some 1"h X 1"w ect... anotherwords different shapes. They only last for 1 second and then gone.

Any ideas as to what can or would cause these blocks from DVD pictures? Thanx

Hello,

I've had my 2910 for 5 months or so now with NO probs at all.

The last week or so though i have noticed 3-4 times on different DVD's ( not on cable tv viewing) I get white blocks/ White squares in different spots on the screen. Some 1"h X 3" long ,, some 1"h X 1"w ect... anotherwords different shapes. They only last for 1 second and then gone.

Any ideas as to what can or would cause these blocks from DVD pictures? Thanx

What connections are you using?

What connections are you using?

HDMI direct to my TV,

You may want to get the Avia DVD and use it to optimize your TV's settings.

HDMI direct to my TV,

Three possibilities, IMO. You have a bad HDMI jack on your player (I had that. It's a terrible design). You have a bad HDMI cable. Finally, you could have a bad HDMI jack on your TV. My suggestion is try hooking up the player to another TV with the same cable and then a different cable - if possible. My guess is the player given how shoddy that aspect of it is.

Hi there,

Does the progressive setting affects the HDMI output, or only the component output? My player is configured to output HDMI 1080i, and I'm pretty sure that changing the progressive mode (between auto1 and auto2) had an impact on a given DVD (video material), so I guess it affects. That leads me to another question, if I'm outputting 1080i, and the signal is being de-interlaced, does that mean that I'm actually getting 1080p?

Final question. After applying the latest firmware (6720-D), I could finally make the HDMI switching functionality in my receiver (Denon AVR 2807) to work. Initially I was worried that the switching would hurt the PQ somehow, but to my surprise it make it better! Before, in "Finding Nemo" I could see some splotches in the anemonae (initial scenes - Marlin with wife), a halo artifact around the fishes (initial scenes - Marlin with wife) and a terrible halo artifact around the sharks (the meeting scene). After connecting tru the receiver, all of that pratically disappeared. Could someone explain me why?

Just about Finding Nemo, there are supposed to be "haloes" around the fish in the ocean, a glow around them. It is more obvious in some scenes than others. It isn't there in the fish tank in the dentist's office, but it's there in the ocean.

Hi there,

Does the progressive setting affects the HDMI output, or only the component output? My player is configured to output HDMI 1080i, and I'm pretty sure that changing the progressive mode (between auto1 and auto2) had an impact on a given DVD (video material), so I guess it affects. That leads me to another question, if I'm outputting 1080i, and the signal is being de-interlaced, does that mean that I'm actually getting 1080p?

Good question. I've noticed that if I turn progressive output off in the video settings, it doesn't affect 576p (PAL) output on HDMI and, of course, the remote options for cycling through HDMI outputs offer 480/576p, 720p and 1080i. My feeling is that the interlaced/progressive option in video settings in the setup menu and the HDMI output options are controlled separately.

That leaves open the question of whether the de-interlacing options in the Video Settings menu also apply to the HDMI outputs. I don't know but they may not. The HDMI output signal remains in the digital domain at all times. I don't know whether the de-interlacing for the analog outputs is done in the digital or analog domain but I suspect it is done in the digital domain in which case these settings may apply to both. If de-interlacing for analog outputs is done in the analog domain, then a different approach may be taken for de-interlacing for the HDMI output. Maybe somebody else knows the answer for that.

When you're outputting 1080i, however, that's what you're outputting. The video data (NTSC or PAL) on the DVD is in interlaced format which is why it has to be de-interlaced for a progressive scan output. For 1080i, no de-interlacing occurs.


Final question. After applying the latest firmware (6720-D), I could finally make the HDMI switching functionality in my receiver (Denon AVR 2807) to work. Initially I was worried that the switching would hurt the PQ somehow, but to my surprise it make it better! Before, in "Finding Nemo" I could see some splotches in the anemonae (initial scenes - Marlin with wife), a halo artifact around the fishes (initial scenes - Marlin with wife) and a terrible halo artifact around the sharks (the meeting scene). After connecting tru the receiver, all of that pratically disappeared. Could someone explain me why?

Can't explain why but I also use a 2807 and 2910, and I also think that video quality seems better with the HDMI signal passing through the 2807 rather than going direct to my TV display. The 2807 acts as a repeater so it provides some boost to the signal and there may be some signal buffering going on. One or both of those are the only reasons I can think of for the apparaent slight improvement in picture quality though neither really seems like a plausible explanation with a digital signal.

David Aiken

HDMI 1.2 actually supports it. I don't beleive there as a player yet that can send it as DSD though.Of course there are ! Denons 3910-3930 and 5910 for example can send DSD through DenonLink or firewire cable(sans 3930).
But if your statement concerned only HDMI output, then - yes, you basically right, unless PS3 can do it ...

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't find an answer by searching this thread or the users manual.

I have a 955S connected to an 2-ch stereo system via RCA patchcords. Hi res 2-ch SACDs sound good with this setup, but 2-ch DVD-A discs fade in/out every 3 seconds or so. A tech at Denon told me that DVD-A discs can only be played through the digital out or HDMI, not through analog.

Is this true or just BS from a misinformed tech?

Sorry if this is a FAQ, but I didn't find an answer by searching this thread or the users manual.

I have a 955S connected to an 2-ch stereo system via RCA patchcords. Hi res 2-ch SACDs sound good with this setup, but 2-ch DVD-A discs fade in/out every 3 seconds or so. A tech at Denon told me that DVD-A discs can only be played through the digital out or HDMI, not through analog.

Is this true or just BS from a misinformed tech?
Misinformed. With the 2910, he's got it bass ackwards. The hi-res audio tracks of a DVD-A can only be played via the multi-channel analog audio outputs.

Misinformed. With the 2910, he's got it bass ackwards. The hi-res audio tracks of a DVD-A can only be played via the multi-channel analog audio outputs.

Thanks Pepar for your help. I called Denon support again today and got some useful information. They recommend the following setup for playing 2-ch content on a 2-ch (stereo) system.

Connect to the 5.1 outputs Front-Left and Front-Right, not the 2-ch outputs. Configure the DVD player speaker setup as follows:
Speakers: LARGE
Center Channel: OFF
Subwoofer: OFF

I suggested that they update their FAQ on the web with this info.

Thanks Pepar for your help. I called Denon support again today and got some helpful information.

Rather than use the 2-ch outputs, connect to the 5.1 outputs Front-Left and Front-Right. Configure the DVD player speaker setup as follows:
Speakers: LARGE
Center Channel: OFF
Subwoofer: OFF

I suggested that they update their FAQ on the web with this info.
You only need to be certain to select the high resolution STEREO mix on the DVD-A's menu. Front left and front right from a 5.1 mix is not the same as the stereo mix. Also, it gets the artist's stereo mix and not a down-mixed one done by the receiver.

Just my $.02.

You only need to be certain to select the high resolution STEREO mix on the DVD-A's menu. Front left and front right from a 5.1 mix is not the same as the stereo mix. Also, it gets the artist's stereo mix and not a down-mixed one done by the receiver.

Just my $.02.


I am trying to play the 2-ch mix from the DVD-A disc on a 2-ch system. When using the 2-ch outputs, the sounds drifts in/out every 3 seconds. Denon tells me that using the front L/R outputs will solve the problem. The 1st level support tech bumped this up to the next level and that's the solution that they came up with.

Haven't tried this yet, but should have the time over the weekend to see if it actually works.

If anyone here has the same configuration as I do and is listening to DVD-A through the 2-ch outputs successfully, please let me know.

dougk5,

What Denon CS told you should work. I have all 6 cables connected and can still play the 2 channel cuts on sacd & DVD-A. :)

Hi, I just bought a DVD 2910 and I was wondering what Denon receiver under $800.00 best complements it. I purchased the DVD 2910 100% for audio [DVD-Audio/SACD] so the video stuff doesn't matter that much to me.

Thanks in advance from a very confused music fan.

I checked and my player has firmware code ESS 6720-2. I'd like to upgrade though to enable multi-region capability. Can anyone point me in the right direction in order to download either 6720-A or 6720-D MR firmware? I've tried some links listed earlier in this thread with no luck. Thank you.

Theres actually a thing you can do with the remote to make it multi region. I can't seem to find the link that explains it.

Hi, I just bought a DVD 2910 and I was wondering what Denon receiver under $800.00 best complements it. I purchased the DVD 2910 100% for audio [DVD-Audio/SACD] so the video stuff doesn't matter that much to me.

Thanks in advance from a very confused music fan.
Just find a receiver that has multichannel analog inputs. Most of the work will be done by the player as far as conversions. The amp will amplify and distribute and that will be it. If you're truly not interested in video, then the multi ch analog input will matter the most.

I checked and my player has firmware code ESS 6720-2. I'd like to upgrade though to enable multi-region capability. Can anyone point me in the right direction in order to download either 6720-A or 6720-D MR firmware? I've tried some links listed earlier in this thread with no luck. Thank you.
Firmware & Remote Hack instructions
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Firmware & Remote Hack instructions
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/


Thanks Oz, however, the A MR and D MR firmware links are not active on that page. I'll probably just do the Denon website A firmware upgrade and then use the MR remote hack.

I found the disc for the 6720-D MR. I tried to upload it to the server at work but it said that file type was not allowed. You can PM me your e-mail.

I rented Fantastic Four from NetFlix last night, and it must have had 20 minutes of unskippable anti-piracy ads and previews! Usually what I do is stick in a dvd and watch something on tivo and wait for the annoying portions of new DVDs to play themselves out.

Anyways, does anyone know if the Denon-2910 has either a remote control hack or firmware upgrade that can prevent rogue DVDs from crippling the Menu and/or fast-forward buttons. Thanks.

Some discs are worse than others, but the following things work with quite a few discs so it's worth giving them a try each time:

- pressing the next chapter button sometimes moves you through some of these things. Of course you have to do this separately each time an offending thing pops up.

- pressing the stop button twice followed by the play button can sometimes jump you through everything right up to the start of the movie, and pressing the stop button twice followed by the menu button can sometimes get you to the menu but that works less often than the stop/stop/play routine.

Those are the best I've come up with. Don't know where I first came across the stop/stop/play routine but it's been very useful for me.

What I can't understand is why the anti-piracy ads are there in the first place. The majority of people are playing discs legitimately acquired and the ads aren't needed for them. The minority who are viewing pirated stuff won't be swayed by the ads. I think the ads do nothing but annoy and alienate the honest viewers.

Thanks for the tips, David Aiken. I'll definitely try them out the next time an offending dvd gets loaded. You have a great point about the anti-piracy ads. I believe these ads only punish the innocent. In most cases, a pirated version of the same dvd will have the anti-piracy preach-ware nuked. So it's a double whammy: the honest viewers get annoyed, and the anti-piracy message never reaches its intended audience.

I am curious why Denon manufactures their DVD players to honor these no-skip chapters. There should at least be a setting buried somewhere for the user to control this. I consider it a flaw for a device to not react to user input.

Otherwise, I'm perfectly happy with my 2910. It delivers 720p video and digital audio the way I like it.

I am curious why Denon manufactures their DVD players to honor these no-skip chapters. There should at least be a setting buried somewhere for the user to control this. I consider it a flaw for a device to not react to user input..

I don't think it is Denon. I think there is a way of mastering discs that prevents the user skipping through these things. If it were Denon, why can you do it on some discs but not on others. It has to be in the disc.

I don't think it is Denon. I think there is a way of mastering discs that prevents the user skipping through these things. If it were Denon, why can you do it on some discs but not on others. It has to be in the disc.
Sections that cannot be skipped by chapter advance many times can be fast forwarded through. Some times hitting the "MENU" button skips it and brings up the DVD's menu.

Hi,

This is for the experts.

My TV set model (new Samsung Full HD) has an issue with gamma tracking. I got this information from a UK reviewer. He came up with a chart where gamma is flat on 2.2 from 30IRE to 60 IRE. In the lower level it goes up to 2.35 on 20IRE and to 2.4 on 10IRE. In the other end, it goes to 2.15 on 70IRE; 2.1 on 80IRE, and a bit under 2 on 90IRE. The thing with this is that it can cause black crush on darker scenes (dark parts are darker than it should be).

The 2910 has a gamma correction feature, where one can adjust the level for each IRE to fix any non-linearities. My problem is that I don't have any tools like colorimeters, etc to set these adjustments more "scientifically".

In the gamma correction feature one can find G0-G9 in the X axis (meaning the IRE levels probably, 0IRE to 90IRE?), and values in the range 0-255 in the Y axis.

The default values for G0, G1 and G2 are 36, 42 and 52, respectively. I've changed that to 24,32 and 48 (by guess), in order to "fix" the issue with the TV, i.e., bring this levels to gamma 2.2. What values should I use in order to achieve linearity according to the values mentioned above? Is there any mathematical formula?

Thanks .

Is anyone using their 2910 with a Sony KDS-R50XBR1 (SXRD)? The PQ that I'm seeing is terrible using both HDMI and component, progressive or interlaced, when routed through my Anthem D2 processor or direct to the TV. The dark scenes are especially bad as they look "blocky/splotchy"...am I seeing the "macro-blocking that I've been reading so much about? I've even swapped out cables for both connections.

Thanks,
Tony

My Denon 2910 suddenly went on the fritz and the dialog on DVDs sounds drowned out by the incidental music. Has this happened to anyone else, and would a reupdate of firmware help? Thanks.

Is anyone using their 2910 with a Sony KDS-R50XBR1 (SXRD)? The PQ that I'm seeing is terrible using both HDMI and component, progressive or interlaced, when routed through my Anthem D2 processor or direct to the TV. The dark scenes are especially bad as they look "blocky/splotchy"...am I seeing the "macro-blocking that I've been reading so much about? I've even swapped out cables for both connections.

Thanks,
Tony

Try getting an Avia disc and maximizing your TVs settings first. I know that helped with mine but some dark scenes have noise in them. I don't think this is macroblocking though.

Is anyone using their 2910 with a Sony KDS-R50XBR1 (SXRD)? The PQ that I'm seeing is terrible using both HDMI and component, progressive or interlaced, when routed through my Anthem D2 processor or direct to the TV. The dark scenes are especially bad as they look "blocky/splotchy"...am I seeing the "macro-blocking that I've been reading so much about? I've even swapped out cables for both connections.

Thanks,
Tony

Well, I'm using my 2910 on my Sony KDS-R60XBR2, and it looks fine. Video path is component from the DVD player to the back of the TV. Video was calibrated using the DVD Essentials disc. Looks great, scaling is wonderful, no blotchiness, no black level issues of any kind. It's a different TV, of course, but I wouldn't expect your DVD player to perform any less well on yours.

Well, I'm using my 2910 on my Sony KDS-R60XBR2, and it looks fine. Video path is component from the DVD player to the back of the TV. Video was calibrated using the DVD Essentials disc. Looks great, scaling is wonderful, no blotchiness, no black level issues of any kind. It's a different TV, of course, but I wouldn't expect your DVD player to perform any less well on yours.


Thanks for the help...I've calibrated the picture several times, and experimented up and down and all around, using Digital Video Essentials and the THX test patterns on select movies (which I actualy prefer because they have a useful contrast test pattern)...hmmmm. OK, I just wanted to check on whether the TV/player compatibility was an issue...the user manual even specifically warns against certain TVs displaying "artifacts".

Looking on the support site, I was surprised to find that no firmware updates were available...

Thanks for the help...I've calibrated the picture several times, and experimented up and down and all around, using Digital Video Essentials and the THX test patterns on select movies (which I actualy prefer because they have a useful contrast test pattern)...hmmmm. OK, I just wanted to check on whether the TV/player compatibility was an issue...the user manual even specifically warns against certain TVs displaying "artifacts".

Looking on the support site, I was surprised to find that no firmware updates were available...
If you're just setting this up, check the black level control and make dure it's not set to enhanced. Also, you want 7.5IRE level as opposed to 0IRE. If either of those are off, set them correctly and then re0do the calibration DVD.

If you're just setting this up, check the black level control and make dure it's not set to enhanced. Also, you want 7.5IRE level as opposed to 0IRE. If either of those are off, set them correctly and then re0do the calibration DVD.

The 7.5 and 0 IRE levels are only supposed to apply to analog video outs. They should have no effect on digital video out, ie HDMI outputs, but they do have an effect with HDMI out on my 2910. The recommendation I came across on a thread elsewhere here was that if the IRE setting made a difference for digital video out, set it to the setting which does not cause clipping. For some reason the default setting for the 2910 is 0 IRE, not the technically correct 7.5 IRE, and that's the setting that gives me the best results with HDMI. Although there shouldn't be, I find there is a slight difference between 0 and 7.5 with HDMI and I think the default setting of 0, technically wrong though it may be, produces a better quality picture in my system.

The IRE setting also affects the picture throught HDMI on my 3930.

I too prefer the picture with the setting at 7.5. Better blacks, looks washed out in comparison at 0.
Not sure what is supposed to be "right".
Once I get my TV fixed (new light engine this week) I'll play around withe the DVE disc again.

I think the default setting of 0, technically wrong though it may be, produces a better quality picture in my system.

I agree. I'm using the HDMI output on my 2910 and the "0 IRE" setting results in a much "deeper black" picture. I'm also set to normal, not enhanced.

DVD's actually look just as good as my HighDefinition cable picture and that's on a 96" screen.

Tme_2_Ride

The IRE setting also affects the picture throught HDMI on my 3930.

I too prefer the picture with the setting at 7.5. Better blacks, looks washed out in comparison at 0.
Not sure what is supposed to be "right".
Once I get my TV fixed (new light engine this week) I'll play around withe the DVE disc again.
In North America, 7.5 IRE is "right" because the rest of the chain is (supposed to be) calibrated to 7.5 IRE.

In North America, 7.5 IRE is "right" because the rest of the chain is (supposed to be) calibrated to 7.5 IRE.


You're correct, but IRE refers to an analog signal voltage. IRE settings should have no effect in the digital domain, you should see no difference regardless of what the setting is. With the 2910 I see a difference and 0 IRE, which the manual says is the default setting (the manual does not mention analog or digital signals in its section on the IRE setting) gives me better results with a HDMI signal than the 7.5 IRE setting.

See the guide for source settings for a discussion of IRE and why it should not make a difference for HDMI connections. The link is:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4969789#post4969789

need some help please...
I use this player for both DVD SACD and DVD-A.
A few weeks ago I was playing a SACD and turned off the pure audio direct. [supposed to give better SQ]
Then I shutdown my system after a few listens of music, but then when I went back a few days after to play the DVD.
nothing would show up on the screen... sound would come out but no picture.
I checked that i turned the pure direct off and all that good stuff, connected through HDMI so I had the cable checked out with the one on my PS3 cable works fine, the imput on the tv works fine.. If I connect via componet it works for picture. but i don't want to use component.
Does anyone here have any suggestions before I bring it in to DENON to check?

I bought my 2910 in July 2005. Over the last few years I have compiled loads of live music concerts mostly downloaded from the internet, and using Verbatim and Phillips recordable DVD+R disks. All of these disks play perfectly well; however, some concerts that I have recently burned are not playing properly.

I recently downloaded the Genesis show in Dusseldorf in June (unfortunately the torrent has now been removed !!) and it plays perfectly on my PC but not on the Denon. The audio is not synchronised with the picture, and there are regular split second pauses in the sound. The frustrating thing is that it plays perfectly on my fathers £39.99 Phillips DVD player !

The same thing has happened with a few other disks that I have made recently - on one of these the picture completely froze but again, plays OK on my PC and my fathers DVD player. I bought some new Verbatim disks today , believing them to be compatible with most players, and the Genesis gig still plays with the same problems.

I bought a new Vista PC three months ago and use Nero to burn the disks - interestingly, this problem has only occurred with disks burned on my present PC (all disks burned on my old PC play fine). However, having contacted Nero and emailed the log file of one of the disks created on my present PC, they couldn't find anything wrong.

Can anyone suggest why a £500 DVD player has problems playing a disk which is OK on a £40 player ? Is it to do with the firmware and if I upgrade it, will this fix the problem ? (my current firmware is ESS 6720 - A)

One other thing. I downloaded the zip file for the latest firmware upgrade but this is a "cfw" file (actually called d21zsavd.cfw) and my Nero program does not recognise it as a file that it can buen. How do I turn this file into something that can be burned onto a disk that I can then use to upgrade the firmware ?


Any help would be appreciated !!

Thanks

I just bought (used) a 2910 solely for SACD & DVD-A playback. I read the reviews and liked the 80hz crossover. I have Panny for DVD video playback.

My problem is that the player will not recognize multi-channel SACD or DVD-A discs, no matter how I set up the player, and I've tried everything I can think of.

All I get in the players display is the letters "CD" (far left side of display), and just 2-channel output. None of the lights for R, L, SR, SL, SW (LFE) ever light up. Video plays fine. Could I have a dirty lens? The player came from a smokers house and really stunk for a while. What is the best way to clean a dirty lens?

Any & all ideas appreciated...............

I just bought (used) a 2910 solely for SACD & DVD-A playback. I read the reviews and liked the 80hz crossover. ..

My problem is that the player will not recognize multi-channel SACD or DVD-A discs, no matter how I set up the player, and I've tried everything I can think of.


Any & all ideas welcome......

Hi Fastexas,

Make sure in the Digital interface menu that you have it set to "2 channel" (not multichannel). That seems to be the main culprit to what you describe. I also assume that you have the 6 cables connected for High Rez audio--If you do and set the configurations in the Multichannel section of the Audio menu, you should be good to go. I hope this works...Good Luck.

I assume you mean the HDMI output......yes, I do have it in 2ch., per posts in this forum. The 5.1 cables are in proper place, of course. I do appreciate the advice, though.

Have you ever seen a situation where a laser lens could be dirty enough to cause
a reading problem? My next step would be to take the cover off & see if I could clean the lens

Given that it reads DVDs Ok, I wouldn't think that would be the cause, but that is beyond my knowledge level of the machine. My last/only other thoughts are have you cycled through the SACD options on the remote (i.e., multi, stereo, CD)? Also make sure you have it set up as an "audio" player in the etc.menu.

Good Luck.

I assume you mean the HDMI output......yes, I do have it in 2ch., per posts in this forum. The 5.1 cables are in proper place, of course. I do appreciate the advice, though.

Have you ever seen a situation where a laser lens could be dirty enough to cause
a reading problem? My next step would be to take the cover off & see if I could clean the lens
In SETUP, do you have "Audio" selected and not "Video?"