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TommyV
07-19-07, 03:34 PM
I seriously doubt that a dirty lens would make SACDs play in 2 channel instead of multi channel.

fastexas
07-20-07, 09:18 AM
I had some success last night. I've had all the settings correct as per the above responses all along, and I got "Toto IV' SACD to play in 5.1 right off the bat. Then I tried 2 other discs, and once again, no SACD or DVD-A 5.1 output!
This thing plays DVD's just great; I'm at a loss.

Would anyone like to buy this from me for $225 (includes shipping)? Makes a top-notch video player, and it's in excellent condition.

pepar
07-20-07, 09:32 AM
I had some success last night. I've had all the settings correct as per the above responses all along, and I got "Toto IV' SACD to play in 5.1 right off the bat. Then I tried 2 other discs, and once again, no SACD or DVD-A 5.1 output!
This thing plays DVD's just great; I'm at a loss.

Would anyone like to buy this from me for $225 (includes shipping)? Makes a top-notch video player, and it's in excellent condition.
FYI, some - quite a few actually - SACDs have ONLY 2-channel and NO 5.1.

David Aiken
07-21-07, 03:16 AM
FYI, some - quite a few actually - SACDs have ONLY 2-channel and NO 5.1.

SACD can be multi-channel but it seems to be rare. There have been some 3 channel SACD releases, remasters of Mercury recordings from the 50'ss and 60's which were actually recorded in 3 channel and mixed to 2 channel stereo for release at the time. There may be some 5.1 channel SACDs around but I don't know of any.

pepar
07-21-07, 09:57 AM
SACD can be multi-channel but it seems to be rare. There have been some 3 channel SACD releases, remasters of Mercury recordings from the 50'ss and 60's which were actually recorded in 3 channel and mixed to 2 channel stereo for release at the time. There may be some 5.1 channel SACDs around but I don't know of any.
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David Aiken
07-21-07, 07:11 PM
Click here and gain enlightenment (http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/bmoura/msacdnow.htm)!

I'm enlightened.

boe
07-21-07, 07:21 PM
I hear Denon is having a press gathering Tuesday. I've heard rumors about a 1940, any info on 2940?

fastexas
07-23-07, 12:17 PM
Most all of my SACD's (15) are of the 5.1 variety

pepar
07-23-07, 01:59 PM
Most all of my SACD's (15) are of the 5.1 variety
I would not buy any that were not 5.1. Just doesn't make any sense (to me).

Nuttyal
08-27-07, 09:51 AM
Hi to all you 2910 users.

I have a problem that I hope one of you may be able to sort for me.
I have connected my 2910 (Firmware 6720-8) via HDMI link into my new Denon AVR-2307 Receiver and thence connected to Sony KDL40W2000U. All HDMI settings for 2910and 2307 have been set as per the user manual.
After switching 2910 power on, it suddenly locks up completely and I have no control via handset remote or via front panel of 2910. The only way I can get control back is by unplugging the HDMI connector and re-powering up the 2910.
The 2910 works fine when connected dirct to TV via HDMI, and the 2307 works fine with other HDMI source connected.
Any suggestions would be most welcome!
:confused:

arioch
08-28-07, 04:41 PM
I have a similar problem, but with an HDMI-switch box.
If I run DVI-D->HDMI from the player, then there's no problem, but HDMI locks up the switch in a similar manner.
Seems like this player has some issues with switching units..?

mdk11
09-05-07, 06:50 AM
Hi all,
I have the same problem after I upgraded the firmware to 6720-D. I had 6720-4 and was working fine, but now the image via HDMI is "flapping" without audio.
DVI is working fine.
It happens both on my Bravia LCD and trough a DVDO VP-50.
Could someone give any help?
I'm trying to find the 6720-4 to roll back without success, there are someone can help me?
Many thanks in advance for your help.

pepar
09-05-07, 11:05 AM
Hi all,
I have the same problem after I upgraded the firmware to 6720-D. I had 6720-4 and was working fine, but now the image via HDMI is "flapping" without audio.
DVI is working fine.
It happens both on my Bravia LCD and trough a DVDO VP-50.
Could someone give any help?
I'm trying to find the 6720-4 to roll back without success, there are someone can help me?
Many thanks in advance for your help.
I would suggest re-initializing. Or, if you're confident in the firmware you burnt onto CD, re-flashing.

mdk11
09-05-07, 01:01 PM
I would suggest re-initializing. Or, if you're confident in the firmware you burnt onto CD, re-flashing.

I'm confident to flashing and I already initialize the player.
But I still need the old firmware image to burn it.
Thanks again

TommyV
09-05-07, 01:14 PM
I was under the impression that you cannot roll back to previous versions with these units.

pepar
09-05-07, 01:15 PM
I'm confident to flashing and I already initialize the player.
But I still need the old firmware image to burn it.
Thanks again
Do you think your problem is because of the 6720-D firmware? I don't recall others with this problem.

mdk11
09-05-07, 01:40 PM
Do you think your problem is because of the 6720-D firmware? I don't recall others with this problem.

This is true, I'm current investigating even on my HDMI interface on the Sony bravia.
It is new, could be very strange if damaged.
Thanks again

pepar
09-05-07, 02:31 PM
This is true, I'm current investigating even on my HDMI interface on the Sony bravia.
It is new, could be very strange if damaged.
Thanks again
Check your cables and connections.

mingus
09-14-07, 01:27 PM
My 2910 is on the blink. Plays DVDs and SACD fine, but Audio CDs cutout every 3 seconds. tried a laser lens cleaner and nothing. has always worked well. No idea what i'd replace it with. not interesting in investing a lot - maybe Oppo.

How do I re-initialize it again?

TommyV
09-14-07, 01:58 PM
Mine does the same thing. It is because you have HDMI output set but it is not linked up to a display(you will see HDMI logo flashing on and off). You can either turn your display on or turn HDMI off. Kind of annoying.

mingus
09-14-07, 02:04 PM
that explains it. I did the "initialize" and that fixed it. always wondered why the HDMI thing was flashing. so i have to manually change this every time? hmm..

TommyV
09-14-07, 03:00 PM
Or just leave your TV on. Let me know if you find a better way to solve it.

mingus
09-24-07, 10:07 PM
still working on it. after the initialize, i've now lost the sub when listening to SACD or redbook audio. i know it's a setting in here somewhere can not figure it out. I do use the analog outs on the denon for music listening. the sub is still digital.

David Aiken
09-25-07, 03:39 PM
This sounds like a receiver problem. Do you have the speakers, front at least, set to 'Large" and the subwoofer setup in the Speaker setup menu is set to 'LFE" instead of "LFE + Main" (those are the settings in Denon receivers—will probably be different for other makes). If it's set to LFE, only the content of a dedicated LFE channel is sent to the sub and SACDs/CDs don't have such a channel. Set the sub to LFE + Main and it will get content below the crossover frequency from the mains also.

This setting should have no effect if your speakers are set to "Small". If that's the case it's probably a different problem and I have no idea what it may me.

Robin_1972
10-05-07, 08:06 PM
Does anyone have a problem bringing up the firmware/software version on the 2910, mine was working ok about a year ago, I did the remote MR hack and never check it again. I called Denon recently since the macroblocking was driving me crazy and they send me ESS:6720-D Day 902 firmware update - I could not check the firmware version before the install but I thought I would re-initialize the player and check again after the install. I still was unable to pull up the software version to confirm it loaded (which I think it did as the picture was better). called up denon but they just told me to do the standard remote 3-2-6-5 on the remote after the 3 second holding the open/close and play + on/off. But I can't seem to get it to show the version. Player is otherwise fine,
Any input would be appreciated.

dangore
10-08-07, 02:17 PM
Quick Question

Ever since i bought my DVD-2910, it has sporadically failed to read certain discs.

Most discs play fine... but a few just dont play, no matter how clean they are. Even brand new discs taken straight out of the box... Three Kings, Blue Velvet being prime examples. I've even bought box tv sets like The Wire and had every disc bar one work. In all cases, these same discs work on much cheaper dvd players that i have in the house.

Any ideas how to fix this problem, or what the problem could be?
Please help!

pepar
10-08-07, 02:28 PM
Quick Question

Ever since i bought my DVD-2910, it has sporadically failed to read certain discs.

Most discs play fine... but a few just dont play, no matter how clean they are. Even brand new discs taken straight out of the box... Three Kings, Blue Velvet being prime examples. I've even bought box tv sets like The Wire and had every disc bar one work. In all cases, these same discs work on much cheaper dvd players that i have in the house.

Any ideas how to fix this problem, or what the problem could be?
Please help!
This is probably not a good sign. Typically, it starts with a few discs and "spreads" to more and more until nothing plays. Also typically, it is the laser assembly - a several hundred dollar repair if out of warranty. :(

Brian27
10-15-07, 05:49 PM
Does anyone have a problem bringing up the firmware/software version on the 2910, mine was working ok about a year ago, I did the remote MR hack and never check it again. I called Denon recently since the macroblocking was driving me crazy and they send me ESS:6720-D Day 902 firmware update - I could not check the firmware version before the install but I thought I would re-initialize the player and check again after the install. I still was unable to pull up the software version to confirm it loaded (which I think it did as the picture was better). called up denon but they just told me to do the standard remote 3-2-6-5 on the remote after the 3 second holding the open/close and play + on/off. But I can't seem to get it to show the version. Player is otherwise fine,
Any input would be appreciated.


I am having this exact same issue now...Denon sent me the disk and after I installed it I cannot check the firmware version to confirm it installed...I too had done the multi-region remote hack a few months ago and it has always worked fine until now...after updating to 6720-D I cannot check the firmware...I wonder what the deal is here???

Brian

Non-Tech Guy
10-17-07, 01:11 AM
Hello fellow Denonites! I wonder if someone may have some insight into issue I have been having with my 2910.

I purchased the unit 2 years ago this month and up to a few weeks ago have had no problems. However now the unit is shutting off and or locks up randomly when playing a DVD. On the occasion when I can shut off the unit via the remote, the unit will play however none of the displays light up but the unit start to play automatically.

Thanks for your help in advance.

pepar
10-17-07, 09:45 AM
Hello fellow Denonites! I wonder if someone may have some insight into issue I have been having with my 2910.

I purchased the unit 2 years ago this month and up to a few weeks ago have had no problems. However now the unit is shutting off and or locks up randomly when playing a DVD. On the occasion when I can shut off the unit via the remote, the unit will play however none of the displays light up but the unit start to play automatically.

Thanks for your help in advance.
Has this been happening more and more often since you first noticed the problem?

Non-Tech Guy
10-17-07, 05:40 PM
Yes "pepar", it does seem to be getting worse.

Only one of the last three DVDs I have played have been able to play through to the end. I tried to play the new Transformers movie last night and it didn’t get past the Dreamworks logo before it stopping a locking up, I refused to try it a second time.

David

pepar
10-17-07, 10:43 PM
Yes "pepar", it does seem to be getting worse.

Only one of the last three DVDs I have played have been able to play through to the end. I tried to play the new Transformers movie last night and it didn’t get past the Dreamworks logo before it stopping a locking up, I refused to try it a second time.
I've read this here many, many times. Bottom line is that, most likely, your laser assembly is failing. If yours "progresses" like the rest, it will get worse and worse until nothing plays. The cost to repair - a few hundred dollars - puts it in the "not economically feasible" category as new, equal quality players are now available new for that amount. I hope I'm wrong.

Non-Tech Guy
10-18-07, 01:20 AM
Oh dread, I was hoping it was more along the lines of a power supply issue. Come to think of it the last night I noticed that after the unit stopped playing that the drive produced a “whining” sound similar to that of a computer disk drive when it is reading a disk, I had never noticed the sound before last night.

Well looks as though I will be taking it in for a diagnostic. If it is the laser assembly, as you have hypothesized, and the cost to repair is the "not economically feasible" category, do you have a suggestion as to a replacement? I have a KDS-R60XBR1 and am using the HDMI connection.

Thanks you for your assistance,

David

pepar
10-18-07, 10:35 AM
Oh dread, I was hoping it was more along the lines of a power supply issue. Come to think of it the last night I noticed that after the unit stopped playing that the drive produced a “whining” sound similar to that of a computer disk drive when it is reading a disk, I had never noticed the sound before last night.

Well looks as though I will be taking it in for a diagnostic. If it is the laser assembly, as you have hypothesized, and the cost to repair is the "not economically feasible" category, do you have a suggestion as to a replacement? I have a KDS-R60XBR1 and am using the HDMI connection.

Thanks you for your assistance,

David
The Oppo's are looking like an irresistible force. They have two (or three) universal players between MSRP $150 and $230. I believe all have HDMI, with the $230 unit passing video (naturally) and all audio (including decoded DVD-A and SACD) over it. With hi-def here, it just doesn't seem to make sense to spend more on a DVD player.

Good luck!

Non-Tech Guy
10-18-07, 11:05 PM
I did some research on the Oppo DVD player this after noon, it sounds like a great replacement player if the cost of fixing the one I have is too high. After all, we are all just waiting for the format “war” to end.

Thanks again for the help and advice, it is greatly appreciated.

David

guavatone
10-19-07, 02:07 AM
I did some research on the Oppo DVD player this after noon, it sounds like a great replacement player if the cost of fixing the one I have is too high

And the uppo is much thinner too:)


- Stop the Wars soon:(

VDub
10-19-07, 07:40 AM
Hello all,

I've searched for "shaking" and "vibrating", read what came up, but didn't glean anything useful.

I've had my 2910 for 2-1/2 years with no problems. I recently came back from an extended trip (3 months), and had my system unplugged from the wall (everything runs through my power conditioner). I put a redbook CD that I've had for a long time into the player and it immediately began shaking & vibrating like a little washing machine, and then it locked up. I repeated with a number of CD's - same thing. I tried multiple DVD's (both movies and concerts), and it plays all of those just fine all the way through with no shaking or other problems.

I confirmed that all settings are at factory defaults. Firmware is ESS 6720-4. For redbook CD's, I use analog out & set my pre/pro on bypass, which is how I've always had it set up. For DVD's, I use component. Nothing has changed as far as cabling, setup, etc.

I spoke with Denon tech support, who said this was not a known problem and suggested trying a lens cleaner disc, so I ran my Scotch laser lens cleaner through it (first time I've done this on this player). No shaking, but at first, it would only run the cleaning track (#2) for a few seconds and then lock up, so I repeated this a number of times and it gradually began to run #2 track longer each time before skipping and then locking up.

I put a redbook CD in and it played for a short time, then the timer began to skip ahead a few times and then it would lock up. Same with the other redbook CD's I tried. There is no longer any shaking or vibrating happening, just playing for a short time, then skipping ahead, then lock up.

I repeated this process throughout the day thinking more cleaning = good, right? But I've had no luck as far as getting a CD to play for a longer time before locking up. And it still won't get all the way through the cleaning track w/o locking up.

Has anyone dealt with this problem? Does it suggest anything? I have an authorized service center in town, but if I can try something else before bringing it in, I'd obviously rather do it before I disconnect everything & remove the player from the shelf.

I’m wondering if having the power cut to the player for 3 months resulted in some sort of ‘reset’ and now I need to change a setting or something? Or that my not ever having cleaned the laser lens has finally caught up with me and needs servicing?

Any ideas? I bow to your collective wisdom...

pepar
10-19-07, 08:28 AM
Hello all,

I've searched for "shaking" and "vibrating", read what came up, but didn't glean anything useful.

I've had my 2910 for 2-1/2 years with no problems. I recently came back from an extended trip (3 months), and had my system unplugged from the wall (everything runs through my power conditioner). I put a redbook CD that I've had for a long time into the player and it immediately began shaking & vibrating like a little washing machine, and then it locked up. I repeated with a number of CD's - same thing. I tried multiple DVD's (both movies and concerts), and it plays all of those just fine all the way through with no shaking or other problems.
See this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showpost.php?p=11939506&postcount=2782) and substitute your problem for Non-Tech Guy's. :)

Perch33
10-19-07, 10:19 AM
VDub---I am going through the same type of problems with my 3910. I sent mine in to Denon for warranty repair about 3 weeks ago. I cant believe Denon played it off like they have never heard or seen this problem before. Especially after I see all the reports on here. Mine is still at Denon, and after sitting on hold with them for an hour yesterday to get a status, they have not even started to look at it. They said they are about 3-4 weeks behind. I am beginning to believe the reports about how BAD Denon CS has become. Good luck with your unit.

pepar
10-19-07, 10:25 AM
They said they are about 3-4 weeks behind.
No doubt from all of the failing laser assemblies that need replaced. :rolleyes:

VDub
10-19-07, 07:37 PM
The weird thing is that there's only 1 laser assy in there AFAIK, and DVD's play fine. And why all of a sudden after being powered off for 3 months?

Anyway, I spoke with a tech at the local service center and I'll bring it in next week and hope it just needs cleaning with some juicy commercial chemicals & realignment to bring her back to spec. He said it's the most common service. 10-day turnaround max, 24 hrs. if I want to pay an additional $35 - I guess I'm pretty lucky they're close by.

pepar
10-19-07, 07:56 PM
The weird thing is that there's only 1 laser assy in there AFAIK, and DVD's play fine. And why all of a sudden after being powered off for 3 months?

Anyway, I spoke with a tech at the local service center and I'll bring it in next week and hope it just needs cleaning with some juicy commercial chemicals & realignment to bring her back to spec. He said it's the most common service. 10-day turnaround max, 24 hrs. if I want to pay an additional $35 - I guess I'm pretty lucky they're close by.
Let's hope your luck continue. :)

Typically, the non-reading starts with one kind of disc, e.g. SACD or DVD-A, and then "spreads" to other kinds until nothing plays.

Multi-Region
10-22-07, 01:55 PM
Does anyone have a problem bringing up the firmware/software version on the 2910, mine was working ok about a year ago, I did the remote MR hack and never check it again. I called Denon recently since the macroblocking was driving me crazy and they send me ESS:6720-D Day 902 firmware update - I could not check the firmware version before the install but I thought I would re-initialize the player and check again after the install. I still was unable to pull up the software version to confirm it loaded (which I think it did as the picture was better). called up denon but they just told me to do the standard remote 3-2-6-5 on the remote after the 3 second holding the open/close and play + on/off. But I can't seem to get it to show the version. Player is otherwise fine,
Any input would be appreciated.Hmmm... I have the same problem after updating with the latest firmware; " 3-2-6-5" doesn't work. Before and after the multi-region setting.

And, I did this latest upgrade because of green push problems with HDMI; but after the upgrade I even have more green push, now at the Component-video socket too.
(HDMI-cable: Monster 300 (2m./6.6ft), ordered Monster M1000DAV (http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=monster+hdmi)).

I like Film-Noir, but it's now Green-Noir, very frustrating. To limit somewhat that green push, I changed the settings at "Picture adjust": "HUE": +1 (towards red).
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2nd problem is the co-operation of my DVD2910 with my new lcd-screen: (lip-) synch with some DVD's. Not with the speakers at the tv-screen, but with the audio via the DVD2910 connected to my home-made triode tube-amplifiers.

mczolton
10-22-07, 05:10 PM
The weird thing is that there's only 1 laser assy in there AFAIK, and DVD's play fine. And why all of a sudden after being powered off for 3 months?

Anyway, I spoke with a tech at the local service center and I'll bring it in next week and hope it just needs cleaning with some juicy commercial chemicals & realignment to bring her back to spec. He said it's the most common service. 10-day turnaround max, 24 hrs. if I want to pay an additional $35 - I guess I'm pretty lucky they're close by.

Has anyone tried to lubricate the spindle in the transport motor? I had a DVD player that would lock up intermittently until finally it wouldn't play at all. Lubricating the spindle in the transport motor solved the problem.

Just a thought.

Mark

Chris Gerhard
10-31-07, 09:08 AM
The Oppo's are looking like an irresistible force. They have two (or three) universal players between MSRP $150 and $230. I believe all have HDMI, with the $230 unit passing video (naturally) and all audio (including decoded DVD-A and SACD) over it. With hi-def here, it just doesn't seem to make sense to spend more on a DVD player.

Good luck!

The Oppo DV-980H for $170 has HDMI 1.2a and can pass pure DSD over HDMI and upscales to 1080p. The upcoming DV-983H will use better video processing chips than the DV-980H but the DV-980H is really good as is the DV-981HD.

For fun, it was certainly not needed, I just purchased a used DVD-2910 but after reading this thread, I have a feeling I am not going to be very happy. I do have the DVD-1920 and like it really well, but my Oppo DV-980H is even better. For some odd reason, I have been compelled to have great redundancy for my SACD/DVD-A/DVD-V collection. I only have one each for Blu-ray and HD DVD, but the software selection for those formats doesn't require hardware redundancy. I really expected new quality affordable universal SACD/DVD-A/DVD-V/CD players to disappear since new SACD/DVD-A software is practically nonexistent, but new players continue to show up. My fleet of players is an unnecessary expense in hindsight.

What is the consensus for best firmware version for the DVD-2910 for use with a 720p LCD projector like my Panasonic PT-AE900U and how do I get it?. I might go ahead and hook this thing up and use now that I have it, at least until I have a problem with it.

Chris

Chris Gerhard
11-01-07, 06:51 PM
I get great results with my DVD-2910 and it was easy to set up. The projector settings for my DVD-1920 seem right on the money to me. Audio quality is excellent as well. I had hoped to track down a good used DVD-3910 priced right but this will be good enough.

Chris

mczolton
11-10-07, 01:17 PM
I'm looking for the 6720-D firmware update. All download locations seem to be out of date. Does anyone want to email it to me?

Thanks,
Mark

pepar
11-10-07, 02:53 PM
I'm looking for the 6720-D firmware update. All download locations seem to be out of date. Does anyone want to email it to me?
"Out of date?" Are you on the Denon site?

mczolton
11-10-07, 03:04 PM
Denon's site returns "Invalid serial number or does not apply to this unit" when I attempt to get product upgrades. This wasn't always the case. It used to work before they updated their site some time ago.

Mark

roland61970
11-13-07, 03:15 PM
I just recently starting getting dropoffs on my Steely Dan Gaucho SACD, but only on the last 3 tracks (4-7). I don't see any abnormalities on the surface, but have tried cleaning with no success. Should I start to be getting worried about laser alignment? I (so-far) have no issues with any other SACD, CD, or DVD that I have tried.

pepar
11-13-07, 03:20 PM
I just recently starting getting dropoffs on my Steely Dan Gaucho SACD, but only on the last 3 tracks (4-7). I don't see any abnormalities on the surface, but have tried cleaning with no success. Should I start to be getting worried about laser alignment?
Actually, you should be getting worried about your laser, period. If you notice a second and then a third optical disc (SACD,DVD-A,CD, DVD) having problems, then that's what it is. It's also several hundred dollars - usually - to repair which means it's not economically feasible. Sorry, I hope I'm wrong.

Chris Gerhard
11-13-07, 04:00 PM
Denon's site returns "Invalid serial number or does not apply to this unit" when I attempt to get product upgrades. This wasn't always the case. It used to work before they updated their site some time ago.

Mark

Entering my serial number, I get this:

PRODUCT UPDATES & UPGRADES



Welcome to the updates and upgrades search result section for your Denon product. The following search results will list the applicable updates or upgrades that are currently available for your unit. Please select the items your are interested in from the list of items shown below.


SEARCH RESULTS FOR: DVD-2910: Black (Edit Search)

Please ensure you review and read all associated instructions for each update or upgrade. If your update or upgrade requires factory service, you will be required to submit a request for a Service Return Authorization number before returning your unit.


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

No applicable updates or upgrades are available for this model at this time. Please check back at a later date to see if an update or upgrade becomes available to enhance the performance of your unit.

I will see if I can find another place on the internet to get the most recent firmware or maybe Denon knows mine has the most recent firmware.

Chris

mczolton
11-14-07, 09:48 AM
No worries. I was able to get the firmware from a fellow AVS Forum member. Thanks for having a look though.

Ptilley42
11-16-07, 05:12 PM
Am i doing something wrong
Just got a used 2910 and cannot get component out

Have switched off hmdi/dvi out but no joy
Have i missed something

Grateful for any advice

Zen Traveler
11-16-07, 05:23 PM
Do you have the correct input set on the TV?

pepar
11-16-07, 06:07 PM
Am i doing something wrong
Just got a used 2910 and cannot get component out

Have switched off hmdi/dvi out but no joy
Have i missed something

Grateful for any advice
Try a different cable. Try the existing cable to connect a different source.

Ptilley42
11-17-07, 03:30 PM
Do you have the correct input set on the TV?

Feed is to a projector

works fine with old dvd

but not with Denon

(thanks for answering)

raptor1015
01-22-08, 12:42 PM
Hello to all, I've been reading a little about this. is there anything to eliminate this. I have the 2910 hooked up to a 2 month old Toshiba 65 in DLP. I also have a Panasonic BD-30 blue ray player as well. they are both running through a DVDO VP30 scaler\processor. I'm using monster 1000 series hdmi cables - 10mpbs transfer speed. the 2910 no matter which way i hook it up I get blue like blotches in the deep blacks. really bad on 3:10 to yuma. not all movies but most. I've tried direct by passing the processor straight to hdmi of the tv. same results. now the Panasonic does not do that at all on standard dvds or blue ray. blacks are solid deep blacks. no blotching blue color (perfect pic). I called some experts and was told try to hook it up through the component instead of the hdmi. (I tried the different hdmi settings as well - same results) with it set to interlaced instead of progressive & let the processor do the scaling instead of the denon (this supposedly turns off the internal scaler). now I was told pic quality should not suffer. basically the whole 1080p thing is a joke as is the 7.1 hi def audio. uncompressed audio isthe key! unless you have a concert sized room (narrow & long) 7.1 is effective. 95% of professionally installed audiophile high end home theater systems is 5.1...back to video - they don't film movies in 1080p. the studio's call it 1080i matrixed. to the public it's called true 1080p. did you notice the big plasma push on the holidays - bestbuy, circuit city etc..they were selling them for cheap, cheap. hi-def, hi-def. the majority of the sets under $1000 were only 720p. next will be the hdmi 1.3 compliantcy - oh no you have to upgrade again NOT!!! back to the issue. I do notice slight detail decline through the component but barely.
I find it disturbing that some of you experience macro blocking & others don't.
I have 2 of these denon players plus a 5910 as well all have this issue of macro blocking on other tv's as well. any other ideas? I've yet to upgrade firmware & call Denon.
thx for your input. we can all help each other here. I also have an interesting test I do with the panasonic blue ray I have and the dvdo processor. the vp30 processor can handle up to a 1080i input (hdmi). the Pany blue ray outputs up to 1080p & 24fps (frames per second). ok direct to the tv is looks
great. going through the processor the signal output from the panasonic is only 1080i & the processor up scales to 1080p to the tv. the picture is much more detailed with depth this way. standard dvd's look almost like a blue ray
I swear you'd have to really look hard to notice the difference. I guess my point is don't sell the farm for this 1080p craze! do your homework & run the tests yourself. you will see.......

mczolton
01-22-08, 01:00 PM
^^

I have seen macroblocking on with 2910 connected to a Samsung DLP. I have since purchased a Toshiba HD-XA2 which has no such problem. Unfortunately, I doubt there is anything that could be done this late in the product's life-cycle (if anything could be done at all that is). My 2910 is now happily living with a Sony CRT in my bedroom - no macroblocking there. It really does seem to be a problem with certain (types of) displays.

Mark

pepar
01-22-08, 01:29 PM
I also have an interesting test I do with the panasonic blue ray I have and the dvdo processor. the vp30 processor can handle up to a 1080i input (hdmi). the Pany blue ray outputs up to 1080p & 24fps (frames per second). ok direct to the tv is looks great. going through the processor the signal output from the panasonic is only 1080i & the processor up scales to 1080p to the tv. the picture is much more detailed with depth this way. standard dvd's look almost like a blue ray
I swear you'd have to really look hard to notice the difference. I guess my point is don't sell the farm for this 1080p craze! do your homework & run the tests yourself. you will see.......
OT for this thread, but you seem to have felt it was important to put this out there at the end of your macroblocking post. I'd like to propose an alternate reason for your result. According to the list of displays (http://forums.highdefdigest.com/showthread.php?t=25688) that accepts and properly DISPLAYS 24fps, there are no DLP front projectors that do so. That probably means that your display is accepting 24fps and doing a 3:2 pulldown. This is not a fair test of 1080p. Additionally, comparing an excellent external video processor to the internal deinterlacing/scaling of the Toshiba DLP is equally not cricket.

I'm not suggesting that members do not "see for themselves" on the issue of 1080p vs. 1080i, or that they throw an otherwise perfectly fine 1080i display, or a non-1080/24p one, under the bus, but it is FUD - "don't sell the farm for this 1080p craze" - to present it the way you did.

raptor1015
01-25-08, 12:47 PM
Ptilley42 you need to change the progressive output to interlaced in order to get a picture out of the component connection. I ran into the same problem. I have to run the player with that connection in order to improve the macro blocking issue I have.

jephdood
01-26-08, 08:06 PM
Anybody know where I can get the 6720-D firmware these days? The download links on www.denon2910.freehomepage.com appear to be toast. PM me if you have a lead? Thanks..

raptor1015
01-27-08, 12:14 PM
Well, I solved my macro blocking problem. I went to the store to buy a $100+
component video cables. well I wound up getting a Toshiba HD-A30 HD dvd player with the promo going now (9 free movies) for less than the cables. after hooking this up with the 1000 series monster HDMI cable through my DVDO VP 30 processor my video issue was resolved. the picture quality of standard dvds was phenominal, way more than I expected & NO BLOTCHING or MACRO BLOCKING. I have been using the Tosh for a few days now & I'm 100% satisfied. I haven't even watched a HD DVD yet. looks like my Denon days are history especially after talking to customer service about the forementioned problem. so both my 2910's & my 5900 will be moving out in the near future. see I was having the same issue at different levels with all the players listed even on my older Toshiba 65" CRT & a Sony CRT as in the past. I had sent the 5900 in for maintenance thinking it might have been a mechanical issue. nope! nothing was wrong with it. so from there I went on to buy the newer 2910 & the rest is current. I'm trying to knocking denon at all. there's just so many people with this problem on many different displays so I hope Denon addresses this in the future because it's obviously a problem with their players & not peoples displays. 2 - 2910's & a 5900. that's 3 strikes.

equipment used:
Toshiba (65HM167) 65" DLP
Parasound AVC2500 a/v processor w/CSE 6.1 processor & (4 dedicated amps)
DVDO VP30 Scaler/Processor
Toshiba HD A30 HD DVD player (replaces the Denon 2910 & 5900)
Panasonic BD-30 Blue Ray player
4 - Mirage M3si speakers w/matching center channel & rear center 6.1)
Home made 15" sub box w/1000w amp
all HDMI cables are Monster M-series

jephdood
01-27-08, 10:21 PM
No firmware leads guys? :(

pepar
01-27-08, 10:42 PM
No firmware leads guys? :(
Did you try the Denon website?

jephdood
01-27-08, 11:34 PM
Yeah.. the "D" version is not available online for whatever reason. I have "C" loaded now, and when I enter my serial @ Denon, it says there are no updates available for my player. But there IS a "D" version out there that supposedly resolves some HDMI issues.

pepar
01-28-08, 09:35 AM
Yeah.. the "D" version is not available online for whatever reason. I have "C" loaded now, and when I enter my serial @ Denon, it says there are no updates available for my player. But there IS a "D" version out there that supposedly resolves some HDMI issues.
By having the user enter their serial number, they check against the HARDWARE revision. As the hardware changed, later and later firmware revs could be used. Earlier hardware revs may not be compatible with later firmware revs.

Last night I went Denon's site, entered my serial number and had no problem downloading "D."

jeffgun
01-30-08, 04:23 AM
Hello All,

I have been trying to make my 2910 region free using the following steps:

To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions:

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_Ax” where x is the original region number. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

I've tried this 10 or 12 times and I get nothing after I enter the numbers. I've also tried to download the firmware with no luck. Nero just gives me 'unexpected file format' every time I try Any ideas??

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!


~Jeff

darcraver
02-01-08, 07:30 PM
Hello All,

I have been trying to make my 2910 region free using the following steps:

To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions:

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_Ax” where x is the original region number. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

I've tried this 10 or 12 times and I get nothing after I enter the numbers. I've also tried to download the firmware with no luck. Nero just gives me 'unexpected file format' every time I try Any ideas??

Thanks in advance for any assistance!!


~Jeff
Jeff, I recently purchased some Depeche Mode SACD's. They come with a bonus DVD, but these are PAL. So, I did some searching and came across this site:
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/
It looks like these are the instructions you also saw. They work for me (I was very surprised actually!). My firmware is ESS-6720-B. It seems to work fine, so I didn't upgrade to D. I used the instructions from above (REMOTE TRICK) to make it region free. When it's finished the player displays Region A1 on the front panel.

Make sure to do the following on the DVD player itself, not the remote:
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).

I seem to have breathed some new life into the old 2910. I don't think I'll get rid of it any time soon. Even if I get an HD player, I'll still keep the 2910 as it makes an awesome SACD/DVD-Audio player.

jeffgun
02-01-08, 08:30 PM
Jeff, I recently purchased some Depeche Mode SACD's. They come with a bonus DVD, but these are PAL. So, I did some searching and came across this site:
http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/
It looks like these are the instructions you also saw. They work for me (I was very surprised actually!). My firmware is ESS-6720-B. It seems to work fine, so I didn't upgrade to D. I used the instructions from above (REMOTE TRICK) to make it region free. When it's finished the player displays Region A1 on the front panel.

Make sure to do the following on the DVD player itself, not the remote:
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).

I seem to have breathed some new life into the old 2910. I don't think I'll get rid of it any time soon. Even if I get an HD player, I'll still keep the 2910 as it makes an awesome SACD/DVD-Audio player.


Thanks for the response darcraver. I did use the buttons on the front of the player for that one step. I'll give it a try again when I get home tonight and see if I have better results...

My 2910 is a refurbished unit...I wonder if that would make any difference?? I wouldn't think so but who knows??

~Jeff

jeffgun
02-02-08, 02:30 AM
Yep, still no luck. Very disappointing...looks like I'm gonna just have to pick up a 99.00 Philips all region player or something to play one f*cking DVD. Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

geemo
02-16-08, 03:58 AM
I've had my 2910 for about 3 years. Just recently it started giving me a weird problem. The audio (primarily from a CD source) would "hiccup" every 3-5 seconds. The "hiccup" was silent and less than probably half a second. It was not a skip, and not CD specific (i tried different CDs). The glitch/hiccup is heard on both digital and analog outputs. After running the 2910 for some time, the problem would go away strangely. I'm suspecting an electronics stressed part. Also, when I switch to pure direct (video, digital, display ALL off), the hiccup would go away. By the time tonight I changed the pure direct settings to narrow it down, the problem had gone away.

Before I take it to a repair shop, I was wondering if anyone has experienced this or has heard of this issue before.

Many thanks in advance.

TommyV
02-16-08, 08:17 AM
Sounds similar to the issue of the HDMI/DVI input not being linked to the display while trying to listen to a CD. You will notice the HDMI light flashing on the front. If you turn your TV on the skipping will go away or you have to turn HDMI/DVI to OFF (which is part of Direct Mode as well). Give it a shot, that is probably the issue. Mine does the same thing.

rcgus
03-01-08, 07:05 PM
Do you have the player hooked up via the analogue inputs? Are you setting your receiver to the analogue inputs? Are you using HDMI? SACD does not pass over HDMI under versions less than 1.3.
I finally hooked up the analog outputs. I have sound now but no volume control. its very strange. The sound is there but when trying to adjust the volume it just cuts out completely. I cant adjust the volume at all. When you say HDMI 1.3, is that the type of cable or the version of output on the DVD player?

Thanks !

Edward Schatz
03-01-08, 07:15 PM
I finally hooked up the analog outputs. I have sound now but no volume control. its very strange. The sound is there but when trying to adjust the volume it just cuts out completely. I cant adjust the volume at all. When you say HDMI 1.3, is that the type of cable or the version of output on the DVD player?

Thanks !

I meant to say HDMI 1.2 is required to pass SACD. It's not the cable; it's a revision to the interface. On the 2910 it's 1.1. You can't control the volume via your receiver?

rcgus
03-01-08, 08:07 PM
I meant to say HDMI 1.2 is required to pass SACD. It's not the cable; it's a revision to the interface. On the 2910 it's 1.1. You can't control the volume via your receiver?
Another-words, on the 2910 the only way to play sacd is through the analog outputs? No .. I cant control the sound via the volume control on the receiver. I crank it up and the sound stays the same. I turn it down & there is no change except when it gets near the bottom, it cuts off abruptly. The sound I do hear seems ok

Edward Schatz
03-02-08, 05:34 AM
Another-words, on the 2910 the only way to play sacd is through the analog outputs? No .. I cant control the sound via the volume control on the receiver. I crank it up and the sound stays the same. I turn it down & there is no change except when it gets near the bottom, it cuts off abruptly. The sound I do hear seems ok

Odd. I do not know why it is behaving that way vis a vis the volume. Must have something to do with the way the inputs are configured on your receiver. But yes, the only way to play SACD is through the analogue inputs.

Zen Traveler
03-02-08, 09:04 AM
.. I cant control the sound via the volume control on the receiver. I crank it up and the sound stays the same. I turn it down & there is no change except when it gets near the bottom, it cuts off abruptly. The sound I do hear seems ok

You should have complete volume control through your AVR when using the analog out and you need to run the distance and gain setup in the DVD 2910. Fwiw, I have never heard of the volume not being controlled.

Just to confirm...You have your DVD player hooked up to the 6 analog inputs and not to the pre-amps outputs, correct? I don't know if having it setup the wrong way would allow volume to come out but can't imagine why you wouldn't have control of it in the first place. :confused: Good Luck.

pepar
03-02-08, 09:12 AM
Do we know what AVR rcgus is using? Did early AVR's analog pass-throughs do just that - pass through unaffected by *any* controls? It's been so long that I forget.

rcgus
03-06-08, 08:44 PM
You should have complete volume control through your AVR when using the analog out and you need to run the distance and gain setup in the DVD 2910. Fwiw, I have never heard of the volume not being controlled.

Just to confirm...You have your DVD player hooked up to the 6 analog inputs and not to the pre-amps outputs, correct? I don't know if having it setup the wrong way would allow volume to come out but can't imagine why you wouldn't have control of it in the first place. :confused: Good Luck.
Zen .. You nailed it. I inadvertently plugged into the pre-amp outputs. I have a large system close to the wall so it was hard to see upside down and sideways. I should have looked at the diagram in the manual 1st. I haven't corrected it yet since its such a project, but I will do it soon and update the results. Thanks for all the responses and the help. :) Oh ... I have the Denon AVR 3805

Zen Traveler
03-06-08, 09:26 PM
I also have my Denon DVD-2910 hooked up through analog on my AVR 3805 and it sounds awesome. :) I guess that's why I am the Zen Traveler. :D I am glad you figured it out.

sting1211
03-07-08, 01:53 PM
i am using a denon 2910 dvd player but everytime i connect the hdmi cable to the receiver ( ONKYO 605), my dvd player hangs at loading and refuses to off, open , just shows loading through out. the moment i removed the cable or switch the receiver off , the dvd player works normally after removing power then restarting again...

Is there some feedback with HDMI cause i think the 2910 is only ver 1.1 hdmi vs 1.3 for the onkyo 605.

This happens with both the cheap HDMI cable and also the monster one, so i guess it is the receiver feedback through HDMI to my DVD player causing a electronic or software corruption then hang?

This is very very weird, feels like some sort of incompatibility issue and feedback direct to the software of the dvd player causing it to hang...

Funny thing , is everytime i remove the HDMI and reset my dvd player , it works normally. As long as there is no HDMI signal from the receiver , my dvd player works , once the receiver is on and HDMI is connected , the DVD player hangs the moment you power on..


**sigh** - ... thought my dvd player broke all of a sudden, coulding even open to take out the disc, till i remove the HDMi cable then switch off and on and " it works again" ....

any comments or help?

My version

ESS-6720-2
Make day-725f
DRV-030825
System - 6768-2
DSP 6776

think my set is a region 2 set, if i do a firmware upgrade with region free code , do you think it will resolve my HDMI causing hanging issue to be resolved?

by the way, anyone can email me the upgrade ? I tried looking all over for it but to no avail. even the denon website doesnt allow me to download saying my serial number is not valid. ( maybe cause mine is region 2? )

zenhog
03-09-08, 03:24 PM
Have surfed through a lot of these messages and not sure which apply to me. My 2910, which has fewer than 100 hours on it, just had the output die. In the middle of an Amy Wienhouse concert video... hmmm.. I wonder if there's a connection...

No audio coming out of the optical. No video out of the component. But the front display says it's playing.

What are my options? I bought an extended warranty when I bought it a year and a half ago but it sounds like it takes months to get these things back...

If I just ditch it (I see you can get them on Amazon for $279 now) what would be a good one to get? I don't do as good a job with keeping up on current A/V technology as I should...

Thanks.

rcgus
03-09-08, 04:27 PM
Thats cool .. Now I know exactly who to ask when I screw something else up ... :). Thanks again !

Zen Traveler
03-09-08, 05:02 PM
...My 2910, which has fewer than 100 hours on it, just had the output die. In the middle of an Amy Wienhouse concert video... hmmm.. I wonder if there's a connection...

No audio coming out of the optical. No video out of the component. But the front display says it's playing.



If it worked before and it's not working now and you have an extended warranty it really is a no-brainer, imo.

If there is a chance that you may have inadvertently pushed some buttons, make sure you didn't turn off the video from the DVD-2910 and that you have the correct digital Audio in and Video assignments in your AVR's setup. Good Luck.

cyberbri
03-09-08, 05:17 PM
Did you accidentally press the "Pure Direct" - "Select" button on the bottom right of the remote? The different modes will turn off.

Although this probably isn't it, since you aren't getting audio either.


If you get rid of it and get something new, it depends on what you want it to do. I use mine as a CD player and upconverting DVD player over HDMI, and like the ability to do hi-res CD multi-channel stuff. So I would personally for another one. If you just need an upconverting player, there are other players you can probably get cheaper, or use a Blu-ray player to upconvert.

btiltman
03-09-08, 06:10 PM
Have surfed through a lot of these messages and not sure which apply to me. My 2910, which has fewer than 100 hours on it, just had the output die. In the middle of an Amy Wienhouse concert video... hmmm.. I wonder if there's a connection...

No audio coming out of the optical. No video out of the component. But the front display says it's playing.

Thanks.

Did you accidentally press the "Pure Direct" - "Select" button on the bottom right of the remote? The different modes will turn off.

Although this probably isn't it, since you aren't getting audio either.

It could be, because Pure Direct can turn the Video Output on/off (not sure if that effects component though) as well as digital audio on/off and the player display on/off.

I guess this can easily be discounted by pressing the "Pure/Direct Select" button on the player and it should say NORMAL. If not press it a few times until NORMAL appears on the player.

noizemaker
03-10-08, 12:35 AM
What do you guys recommend - analog outputs or coax/optical output? I have a yamaha htr-5990 receiver.

Thanks guys.
Carmine.

cyberbri
03-10-08, 03:44 AM
coax/optical if you're just doing DVDs. If you are doing SACD, hi-res CDs, then multichannel.

With my last receiver, I actually had optical for DVDs, L/R stereo for CDs, and multichannel for hi-res audio stuff, all hooked up to the receiver.

noizemaker
03-10-08, 04:53 PM
Thanks Bri!!!!

Damnationdoormat
03-16-08, 12:36 PM
Has anyone had any luck bitstreaming Dolby/DTS via HDMI with a Denon 2910 to an Onkyo TX-SR805? I've dug all around the 2910's set-up menu and simply cannot get anything but Stereo or Surround PCM from DVDs via HDMI on my 805? :(

Chris Gerhard
03-30-08, 08:35 AM
Have surfed through a lot of these messages and not sure which apply to me. My 2910, which has fewer than 100 hours on it, just had the output die. In the middle of an Amy Wienhouse concert video... hmmm.. I wonder if there's a connection...

No audio coming out of the optical. No video out of the component. But the front display says it's playing.

What are my options? I bought an extended warranty when I bought it a year and a half ago but it sounds like it takes months to get these things back...

If I just ditch it (I see you can get them on Amazon for $279 now) what would be a good one to get? I don't do as good a job with keeping up on current A/V technology as I should...

Thanks.


At this point, I would not buy another DVD-2910 at that price. I would suggest the Oppo DV-980H, Oppo DV-983H, Denon DVD-2930CI and Denon DVD-3930CI as possible contenders. I have the DVD-2910 and DV-980H and like both really well. Read about all of them, all are good in my opinion and there are others but assuming you want the things the DVD-2910 does, I think you are likely to find something at the price you want among my suggestions. If your DVD-2910 can be brought back to life without spending much, continuing to use it is a great option as well.

Chris

cyberbri
03-30-08, 01:00 PM
Has anyone had any luck bitstreaming Dolby/DTS via HDMI with a Denon 2910 to an Onkyo TX-SR805? I've dug all around the 2910's set-up menu and simply cannot get anything but Stereo or Surround PCM from DVDs via HDMI on my 805? :(

In my own receiver, a Sony 5300ES, there was an option for "decoding priority" or something like that, "PCM" or "Auto." When set to "PCM" it seemed to pull PCM from the 2910. Might have changed it by setting to "Auto."

My memory's not 100% on this, but it's something to look into with your receiver.

rcgus
04-07-08, 07:52 PM
Well I finally hooked up the analogue outputs and played Pink Floyd Dark Side of the moon on SACD. It was amazing. I had no idea what I was missing. I didn't think it could get any better until I played Seal's greatest hits on Audio DVD 5.1. I am more impressed w/ my Denon gear then ever before. Thanks for all the help !

darcraver
04-07-08, 10:39 PM
Has anyone had any luck bitstreaming Dolby/DTS via HDMI with a Denon 2910 to an Onkyo TX-SR805? I've dug all around the 2910's set-up menu and simply cannot get anything but Stereo or Surround PCM from DVDs via HDMI on my 805? :(
Neither could I with my Marantz SR8002 receiver. Use an optical cable.

darcraver
04-07-08, 10:42 PM
coax/optical if you're just doing DVDs. If you are doing SACD, hi-res CDs, then multichannel.

With my last receiver, I actually had optical for DVDs, L/R stereo for CDs, and multichannel for hi-res audio stuff, all hooked up to the receiver.
Same here, but I also use optical for CDs

darcraver
04-07-08, 10:44 PM
Well I finally hooked up the analogue outputs and played Pink Floyd Dark Side of the moon on SACD. It was amazing. I had no idea what I was missing. I didn't think it could get any better until I played Seal's greatest hits on Audio DVD 5.1. I am more impressed w/ my Denon gear then ever before. Thanks for all the help !
SACD's, DVD-Audio, DTS and DVD 5.1 all sound amazing don't they? Shame the rest of the general public doesn't appreciate it so much. I'd like to see a lot more releases on these formats.

I wonder if the 3930 sounds even better?! Those machines are starting to hit reasonable prices...

cyberbri
04-08-08, 12:31 AM
I think I've been able to bitstream DD/DTS over HDMI to my Sony 5300ES receiver. In the setup I have the audio set to normal multichannel, not mutlichan PCM.

cyberbri
04-08-08, 12:32 AM
Has anyone compared the upscaling of the 2910 to the newer players that are coming out, like the Oppo models, the PS3, HD DVD players, etc.? How does the 2910's picture quality hold up?

mokus76
04-10-08, 08:59 PM
Hi Everyone,

I am getting a brand new Denon 2910 from *******.com tomorrow.

Before I ask any qyestions I would want you all to know that I own or used to own these DVD players

Pioneer Elite 47Ai Used To
Pioneer Elite 79Avi Still Own

Denon 555 Used To

Toshiba HD DVD Player Still Own

Sony NV-90V Still Own

Marantz DV-4002 Still Own and of course adding the Denon 2910 to my collection

I wanted to know from others who have this product if the price I paid for it was good, the total price was $217 shipped

I always wanted to have the 2910 but back in those days it was $699 and that is why I went with Pioneer Elite.

This Denon will be in my bedroom for DVD playback, DVD Audio and SACD.

I know that only the 3910 and 3930 beat my Pioneer Elite 79Avi in performance, so I am not even going to compare the 2910 because I know what the 79Avi is made of.

Hopefully I wont have any problems with the player and I am downloading the firmware update from denon.com so first thing tomorrow will be to update the player so it will function properly.

If you have any suggestions or questions please feel free to message me

Thanks


I am glad I finally found this player at this price.

cyberbri
04-10-08, 09:06 PM
I love this player. Sturdy build quality, great image quality, great sound quality for movies and CDs and multi-chan CDs. Newer players can probably produce a better upscaled picture. But regardless it has a lot of customizability with regards to picture settings, audio, etc.

Plus you can enter a special code to make it region-free (with the right firmware), which I like since I have some Japanese and Chinese DVDs.

I paid $430 about 2 years back for a refurb. it replaced my HTPC for upconverting DVDs at the time.

pbc
04-20-08, 05:44 PM
I'm sure this has been answered several times but couldn't find it with a search. Trying to set this up with my Integra 9.8 preamp, I have tried setting the HDMI to both Normal and LPCM, but my Integra simply reads "Multich" versus DTS or Dolby. Which HDMI audio setting is "best" to use and is it normal to read "Multich" or am I missing something in my preamp or on the DVD player?

Thanks!

darcraver
04-20-08, 06:12 PM
I'm sure this has been answered several times but couldn't find it with a search. Trying to set this up with my Integra 9.8 preamp, I have tried setting the HDMI to both Normal and LPCM, but my Integra simply reads "Multich" versus DTS or Dolby. Which HDMI audio setting is "best" to use and is it normal to read "Multich" or am I missing something in my preamp or on the DVD player?

Thanks!
I had the same problem with my Marantz SR8002. I now use the optical cable for sound.

pbc
04-20-08, 06:23 PM
Interesting, so is this an issue with the Denon or the Integra/Marantz? Does Multich mean it is not getting a Dolby or DTS signal? If it simply means the Integra is decoding the DTS or Dolby, then I'm fine with that.

pbc
04-23-08, 03:25 PM
Sounds like it did the same thing with my brother's Denon 3807. I'm confused, does this simply mean the receiver receives the signal from the 2910 and then will correctly process it into DTS or DD itself (versus decoding in the player)? Or does it mean I'm basically not hearing DTS or DD through HDMI?

Dan P.
05-19-08, 07:52 AM
I'm sure this has been answered several times but couldn't find it with a search. Trying to set this up with my Integra 9.8 preamp, I have tried setting the HDMI to both Normal and LPCM, but my Integra simply reads "Multich" versus DTS or Dolby. Which HDMI audio setting is "best" to use and is it normal to read "Multich" or am I missing something in my preamp or on the DVD player?

Thanks!

I just hooked up my 2910 to a Denon 3808 AVR and I get the same thing. The AVR always says "MULTI CH IN" regardless of whether you choose lpcm or normal on the 2910. It appears that the 2910 is decoding DD and DTS and sending it over HDMI as PCM in both cases.

mifronte
06-01-08, 01:57 PM
This will probably be my last Denon DVD player. I have owned this DVD player since November 2005. Overall, I think it is a great quality player with a couple of quirks that is quite annoying enough to deter me from buying Denon for my next Blue Ray DVD player.

The two quirks are:

1. The player is not smart enough to automatically switch between widescreen and fullscreen DVDs! This appears to be a Denon's trait since the problem is still in their AVR3808ci upconverting receiver.

2. The player is just unable to maintain an HDMI HDCP handshake once established. At least once during a DVD playback, the player will perform the handshake again thereby losing both picture and sound for a second or two. This occurs when it is hooked up directly to a TV or via the Denon AVR3808ci.

The sad thing is that these two quirks should easily be handled with a firmware upgrade. Unfortunately, Denon does not feel the need to update a product's firmware when the product is outdated. Instead Denon would prefer to give excuses like makes sure you power up your equipment in a certain order or that you can manually switch between widescreen and fullscreen using the "Squeeze Mode" in the setup menu.

TommyV
06-01-08, 03:37 PM
I don't understand either of your gripes. My player automatically adjusts for wide and full DVD. I have never had any HDMI handshake problems in the multiple setups I have used mine in. Right now this player is my bedroom DVD player and it works great still.

Damnationdoormat
06-01-08, 03:50 PM
I must say after upgrading to the $170 Oppo 980H, I can't believe I lived with the macroblocking and green push of the 2910 for so long. Not only that but the PQ is noticeably sharper and more "solid" with the 980H than the 2910.

The 2910 kicks the crap out of the Oppo with interlaced material like older TV shows, music videos, and shot on video stuff, but there is absolutely no comparison between the two with progressive video. The Oppo buries this player.

mifronte
06-01-08, 10:06 PM
I don't understand either of your gripes. My player automatically adjusts for wide and full DVD. I have never had any HDMI handshake problems in the multiple setups I have used mine in. Right now this player is my bedroom DVD player and it works great still.

No kidding? What firmware version are you using?

I am using 6720_D_MR. My player displays widescreen fine, but stretches fullscreen. The only way to watch fullscreen DVDs in the 4:3 ratio is to use the Squeeze Mode in the Setup Menu.

TommyV
06-02-08, 10:46 AM
That is the same version I have I believe. I was not clear on your aspect issue. I did not understand you wanted OAR when you said "The player is not smart enough to automatically switch between widescreen and fullscreen DVDs!".

I use plasma displays so I do not watch 4:3 in OAR so I am happy the Denon automatically adjusts it to 16:9.

Dan P.
06-02-08, 03:31 PM
This will probably be my last Denon DVD player. I have owned this DVD player since November 2005. Overall, I think it is a great quality player with a couple of quirks that is quite annoying enough to deter me from buying Denon for my next Blue Ray DVD player.

The two quirks are:

1. The player is not smart enough to automatically switch between widescreen and fullscreen DVDs! This appears to be a Denon's trait since the problem is still in their AVR3808ci upconverting receiver.

2. The player is just unable to maintain an HDMI HDCP handshake once established. At least once during a DVD playback, the player will perform the handshake again thereby losing both picture and sound for a second or two. This occurs when it is hooked up directly to a TV or via the Denon AVR3808ci.

The sad thing is that these two quirks should easily be handled with a firmware upgrade. Unfortunately, Denon does not feel the need to update a product's firmware when the product is outdated. Instead Denon would prefer to give excuses like makes sure you power up your equipment in a certain order or that you can manually switch between widescreen and fullscreen using the "Squeeze Mode" in the setup menu.

Non-anamorphic DVDs should automatically get pillarboxed for you. Any other setting results in a distorted (if stretched) or chopped (if zoomed) picture. It would be nice if the 2910 did that, but I just programmed a macro on my remote to switch to squeeze mode.

I never had a handshake problem with this player. However, I mistakenly sent this player to Denon for repair because of a handshake issue with my first panny plasma (which I exchanged). The 2910 was fine, and I'm using it right now with a 3808 with no issues like that.

mifronte
06-03-08, 01:19 AM
Non-anamorphic DVDs should automatically get pillarboxed for you. Any other setting results in a distorted (if stretched) or chopped (if zoomed) picture. It would be nice if the 2910 did that, but I just programmed a macro on my remote to switch to squeeze mode.

I never had a handshake problem with this player. However, I mistakenly sent this player to Denon for repair because of a handshake issue with my first panny plasma (which I exchanged). The 2910 was fine, and I'm using it right now with a 3808 with no issues like that.

Having a macro only makes it a little easier to manually switch to squeeze mode. However, it is still a manual process. Even my 1998 Toshiba player is smart enough to automatically detect anamorphic DVDs from non-anamorphic DVDs.

As for the HDMI HDCP handshake drops during playback, it usually happens only once during a movie playback about 90% of the time. I wish I could isolate what is causing the problem. I tried using 480p, 720p, and 1080i for the HDMI in Y Cb Cr mode. I read a Denon FAQ that this a known problem due to the nature of the HDMI HDCP specifications. Denon even recommended the following order to power on your equipment:

Display -> AVR -> Player

This does help by reducing the dropouts from 100% to about 90%. In other words, 9 out of 10 movies I watch, the HDMI signal will drop for 1-2 second once during playback. This is quite annoying.

I will probably purchase the Sony S550 Blue Ray player when it comes out and just by-pass Denon. The 2910 will just be used as a audio player.

cyberbri
06-03-08, 02:12 AM
Have you tried a different HDMI cable? I wonder if it's a loose connection, or a cable that has been twisted or something.

Dan P.
06-03-08, 11:24 AM
Having a macro only makes it a little easier to manually switch to squeeze mode. However, it is still a manual process. Even my 1998 Toshiba player is smart enough to automatically detect anamorphic DVDs from non-anamorphic DVDs.

As for the HDMI HDCP handshake drops during playback, it usually happens only once during a movie playback about 90% of the time. I wish I could isolate what is causing the problem. I tried using 480p, 720p, and 1080i for the HDMI in Y Cb Cr mode. I read a Denon FAQ that this a known problem due to the nature of the HDMI HDCP specifications. Denon even recommended the following order to power on your equipment:

Display -> AVR -> Player

This does help by reducing the dropouts from 100% to about 90%. In other words, 9 out of 10 movies I watch, the HDMI signal will drop for 1-2 second once during playback. This is quite annoying.

I will probably purchase the Sony S550 Blue Ray player when it comes out and just by-pass Denon. The 2910 will just be used as a audio player.

Are you sure the handshake problem is with the Denon player and not the display? Do you get the problem with the Toshiba player (does it have an HDMI out)?

I went through 2 sets of HDMI cables and tried three different dvd players before I realized it was the display that was the problem, not the players. I had the exact same symptom you describe with the signal dropping out.

mifronte
06-03-08, 02:41 PM
Have you tried a different HDMI cable? I wonder if it's a loose connection, or a cable that has been twisted or something.

I tried 3 different HDMI cables. The 3 cables were from Impact Acoustic, Blue Jeans, and Monoprice. The HDMI handshake problem occurred with all 3 cables. Even if it was a problem with the cable, would not the dropout be more problematic?

I only get the dropout once during the entire playback of a movie. Once the dropout occurs, then the rest of the movie playback is fine. If I put in a new DVD, then the dropout will happen once again at some point during playback. This leads me to think it is the player.

mifronte
06-03-08, 02:54 PM
Are you sure the handshake problem is with the Denon player and not the display? Do you get the problem with the Toshiba player (does it have an HDMI out)?

I went through 2 sets of HDMI cables and tried three different dvd players before I realized it was the display that was the problem, not the players. I had the exact same symptom you describe with the signal dropping out.

The problem occurs on both of my Sony displays. One is a rear projection KDF-E50A10 Grand Wega, the other is a LCD KDL52XBR4 panel. My inclination is to say it is the player, bu I cannot be 100% sure. The reason I think it is the player is that when the dropout occurs, the audio and signal indicators on the AVR for the player blanks out as if there is no audio or video signals.

Unfortunately, the Toshiba player is a 1998 model, way before HDMI. It would be great for people with the 2910 and similar Sony displays to give some feedback so that I can be sure if the problem lies with either the Sony displays or the player.

Dan P.
06-03-08, 03:36 PM
The problem occurs on both of my Sony displays. One is a rear projection KDF-E50A10 Grand Wega, the other is a LCD KDL52XBR4 panel. My inclination is to say it is the player, bu I cannot be 100% sure. The reason I think it is the player is that when the dropout occurs, the audio and signal indicators on the AVR for the player blanks out as if there is no audio or video signals.

Unfortunately, the Toshiba player is a 1998 model, way before HDMI. It would be great for people with the 2910 and similar Sony displays to give some feedback so that I can be sure if the problem lies with either the Sony displays or the player.

It would be pretty unlikely that two different displays would have a problem. I'm inclined to think it's the player also. The only way to be sure is to go out and pick up a "cheap" $50 player with HDMI (even cheap ones have that now), and try it.

You can also try connecting the 2910 to the 3808 with a component cable to factor out an issue with HDMI on the 2910. The 3808 will convert component input to HDMI output.

If the issue goes away with either of these two ideas, that would be strong evidence that it's the 2910 HDMI.

TommyV
06-03-08, 03:41 PM
Just to weigh in, the best HDMI cables I have tried are Accell and Blue Jeans. I would probably go with the Blue Jeans because they are cheaper and seem better.

Also I had my Denon hooked to a S2000 series Sony LCD HDTV that I have since sold and never had a single handshake problem or dropout and that was when the Denon was my main player so it saw a lot more use back then. Since then I have hooked it to a Pioneer Kuro and a Panasonic plasma.

To be honest I did have one dropout issue when I hooked it to my Panny in my bedroom where it resides now. The problem was a cheap HDMI cable I had in the chain. The TV is wall mounted so the signal chain consists of three different cables and two wallplates until it gets to the display.

rezalon
07-19-08, 12:16 PM
hi all,
my denon 2910 has just all of a sudden stopped working. basically, i put in a dvd (or music cd) and it seems like it can't read the disk. not sure if its the electronics (circuit) or something hitting up against the lens. the first problem i noticed was that it would start looping on a dvd - ie, would play about 1-2 minutes and then restart at the point of origin. a couple of weeks later it stopped reading dvd's and then finally music cd's. sad thing is my old denon 1910 still works fine. any suggestions? not sure if i want to spend the money to take it to denon to get it fixed being that it is out of warranty. ps3 in the works for blue ray playback but likely not near the quality of denon

rmeredith
08-17-08, 10:24 AM
I have a 2910 that has recently been updated to the latest firmware (downloaded direct from Denon). It is connected to a Pioneer 1018 via HDMI. I have the HDMI settings on the 2910 set to "Multi (Normal)". When I play a DD DVD, the receiver only sees it has PCM. Why won't it pass DD (or DTS) via HDMI & let the receiver decode?

Any tips/hints to get this to work?

cyberbri
08-17-08, 04:21 PM
I don't have the player on, but I believe there's a setting that switches between PCM and bitstream. It should be one of the main ones in the setup menu.

rmeredith
08-17-08, 05:59 PM
Weird, I think I have it setup correctly.

In the Setup Menu, Digital Interface Setup tab, I have the HDMI Audio Setup on "Multi (Normal)". On the Audio Setup tab, I have the Digital Output on "Normal" (the other setting is PCM). The Digital Output setting is greyed out unless you set the HDMI Audio Setup to "2CH".

Any other ideas?

cyberbri
08-17-08, 09:55 PM
Actually now that I think about it, audio over HDMI might be PCM only. I have my 2910 hooked up with HDMI to my receiver, and I also have an optical cable hooked up. So I can hit the HDMI input on the remote to get audio over HDMI, or hit the DVD input to get video over HDMI and audio over optical.

TommyV
08-20-08, 02:06 AM
Normal should be bitstream according to the manual. Only other thing I would try is set to 2 ch and then Set Source Direct to on then go back and switch HDMI back to multi normal. You may also need to change a setting in your receiver.

Mainspring
08-26-08, 07:10 AM
Hi. I recently upgraded the firmware to ESS-6720-A / make day 330 (according to the pdf that came with the upgrade from Denon), after all these years.

Wow... what a difference in PQ... no more green push and mb is all but gone...

wish I knew about the firmware sooner! lol. :o

anyway, reading over this thread, you guys mentioned the player can be made universal.

How would I go about making the 2910 region free? (with the firmware version I have loaded)

Thank you.

TommyV
08-26-08, 07:21 AM
REMOTE TRICK
To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions WITHOUT FIRMWARE UPDATING.

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_A2”. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

This hack needs no firmware upgrade.

Mainspring
08-30-08, 06:17 AM
REMOTE TRICK
To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions WITHOUT FIRMWARE UPDATING.

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_A2”. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

This hack needs no firmware upgrade.



Hi. Thank you.

dumb question but I'm a bit confused with the whole "WITHOUT FIRMWARE UPGRADING" part...

I've upgraded my unit with the firmware provided on the Denon site.

So... does this mean I can't or can use this hack to make the player universal?

Thanks again.

:o

TommyV
08-30-08, 11:47 AM
You can go it on your current fw.

Just do it! :D

tiggers
09-11-08, 12:21 AM
hi all,
my denon 2910 has just all of a sudden stopped working. basically, i put in a dvd (or music cd) and it seems like it can't read the disk. not sure if its the electronics (circuit) or something hitting up against the lens. the first problem i noticed was that it would start looping on a dvd - ie, would play about 1-2 minutes and then restart at the point of origin. a couple of weeks later it stopped reading dvd's and then finally music cd's. sad thing is my old denon 1910 still works fine. any suggestions? not sure if i want to spend the money to take it to denon to get it fixed being that it is out of warranty. ps3 in the works for blue ray playback but likely not near the quality of denon

I've had some similar problems with my player. Every once in a while the player would stop reading all, or some combination of CD's/SACD/DVDA/DVD's, and display 00:00:00. The 2910, at least mine, seem to be a noisy machines up close, and this time I wasn't hearing the disk spin up like it would when working properly.

So I opened the case and tried loading a DVD again. I could see the top of the spindle struggle to turn. I went ahead and manually helped the spindle turn, and that seemed to help it get going again, and stay that way for a while. In the last year, I've probably had to do this 2-3 times. I'm thinking either the motor that spins the disk may be slowly failing, or the player is sticking someplace and needs a dab of lubricant. I'm not sure which lubricant to use, but so far I have narrow it down to:
PTFE 3n1 oil (2nd pick)
lithium grease (first pick)
Silicone oil

I'm still researching to find out which type will work best and will let you know what I find.

Hope this helped.

vidya46
10-03-08, 11:37 AM
Hello
Yesterday I was playing a SACD(Stockfish Closer to the music volume 2) in my 2910 player.The display shows output in 2 channels only.
My receiver (onkyo 705) plays this music in LCR only ..the surrounds are silent.
Is this how 2 channel SACd works?

My settings:
Pure direct =Mode 1(video off,audio on,display on)
HDMI/DVI Off

I tried circling though all modes and no difference.
Also tried(multi,cd and stereo) in SACd setup and still no surround output.

Any ideas?

Thanks
BTW 5 channel sacd's play fine.

Zen Traveler
10-03-08, 01:50 PM
Hello
Yesterday I was playing a SACD(Stockfish Closer to the music volume 2) in my 2910 player.The display shows output in 2 channels only.
My receiver (onkyo 705) plays this music in LCR only ..the surrounds are silent.
Is this how 2 channel SACd works?



You shouldn't have anything coming out of the center on 2 channel SACDs and only out of the L/R front in that configuration.

vidya46
10-04-08, 12:40 AM
You shouldn't have anything coming out of the center on 2 channel SACDs and only out of the L/R front in that configuration.

That is correct..What can i say My RS6 speakers have such a good image i thought my centers were on fire too:D

So I can only play L/R from when the SACd is 2 channel..right?

Now I have messed up my settings ..that even when I pop in a 5 channel SACD..I cannot acces the audio setup menu(all grayed out) and they all play in L/R..I could've sworn I heard the Blue man group(DVD-A) in multichannel mode..

Any help to get back to 5 channel setup..
Thanks

Zen Traveler
10-04-08, 09:32 AM
...So I can only play L/R from when the SACd is 2 channel..right?

Now I have messed up my settings ..that even when I pop in a 5 channel SACD..I cannot acces the audio setup menu(all grayed out) and they all play in L/R..I could've sworn I heard the Blue man group(DVD-A) in multichannel mode..

Any help to get back to 5 channel setup..
Thanks

You may have switched it to Video from Audio player. It sounds like you need to stop the disk completely (or maybe even take it out) to get that option not to be grayed out--Then change it back to Audio Player.

vidya46
10-06-08, 07:08 PM
You may have switched it to Video from Audio player. It sounds like you need to stop the disk completely (or maybe even take it out) to get that option not to be grayed out--Then change it back to Audio Player.

I tried and still the audio section was grayed out.
I did a reset and then it works fine now.

Thanks..

My firmware version is ESS 6720 -C..Some folks here have numbers (-1 ,-2 etc)..
Denon says there are no updates..But someone here mentioned 6720 -D version..I will upgrade only if there is some improment either in PQ or Audio settings..

Should I upgrade?

nicoleif
10-17-08, 07:37 AM
Has the playback of SACD and DVD-A improved after the recent firmware update?

FoolintheRain
10-17-08, 03:53 PM
I haven't used my 3910 for awhile (~6 months). Yesterday, I watched a few hours of a DVD. It worked great. Then I started listening to SACD (multichannel). I started hearing pauses in the songs. I started to watch the display and saw that the time readout was either skipping or stopping.

I cleaned the disk and tried again. The same problem. I tried a few other discs with similar results. I popped in a regular CD and had no more problems. This morning I popped in a few DVDs and had display problems. Red streaks become prominant in the picture, pixel blocking etc. The problem is also seen on the Denon splash screen as well (red tinges/outlines) on what should be a normal blue screen.

The problem occurs via DVI and Component cables. The same cables do NOT reproduce the problem with my Toshiba Xa1. This rules out the cables and the projector leaving the problem with the Denon unit. I purchased a cleaning disk and it did not solve the picture problems or the SACD problems.

Any ideas? I'm guessing maybe the laser/assembly is going bad? How do I get this diagnosed and fixed as quickly as possible? Or is this a more expensive and extensive problem than I think? I'm really not looking to buy a new premier player after just 4 years. Any advice/help would be appreciated. Thanks! (I know this is the 2910 forum, but I thought I'd post here as well since the players are very closely related)

supatrupa
10-20-08, 11:07 AM
Does anyone know what would cause the video output from my DVD-955 to be split vertically? The same result is from component, s-video and DVi outputs.

Is there a factory reset for this player?

I have the original firmware. I've not updated it.
Without being able to see the screen properly. Is there a way to check firmware version?

supatrupa
10-24-08, 11:16 AM
Wow, what a busy forum.

With the cover removed a ribbon cable was found disconnected.
Now the picture is normal.

potat5656
11-15-08, 08:11 PM
I just switched from component output to HDMI output with the Denon.


I am outputting to a Sharp LC-65SE94U that has HDMI 1.3.



There is no picture output from the DVD player when the proper input is selected.


Does the Denon not allow HDMI output to an HDMI 1.3 tv? TIA!

cnjvh
11-17-08, 09:08 AM
Press the HDMI/DVI select button on the front of the unit until it says HDMI YcBCr. The press the HDMI/DVI format button right next to it to get to the resolution you want.

Duds72
12-04-08, 12:49 PM
can anyone comment how video playback is with this player on 1080p plasmas?

AccuView
12-12-08, 08:05 PM
Hey folks,

I bought the Denon 2910 for its upconverting feature when I got my first plasma back in 2004. Also used its SACD feature.

Last year, I bought a PS3 and also moved to a new place (sold all my audio gear in the process). At the new home, the Denon 2910 was never unpacked and the PS3 became the primary media player. I recently got some nice speakers and was wondering if it is time to unpack the 2910 for its audio capabilities. Of the PS3 and the 2910, which does a better job of processing sound for 2-channel audio and 5.1 Dolby Digital? Is there a simple answer?

Cheers!

eirepaul
12-13-08, 05:09 PM
Hello all - I have a 2930CI. Without having to scroll through the thread, what is the story with firmware updates. I contacted Denon and they said none are available for this model. Is this actually the case? Any help would be appreciated. I'm having trouble with my unit not playing some DVD-As properly - it basically hangs up and has to be turned off and on again to reset. I suspect this is an anomaly with Denon machines. It's pretty frustrating - I've had much less expensive players that played everything without a problem. Thanks for any information you can provide.

TommyV
12-14-08, 09:20 PM
Hey folks,

I bought the Denon 2910 for its upconverting feature when I got my first plasma back in 2004. Also used its SACD feature.

Last year, I bought a PS3 and also moved to a new place (sold all my audio gear in the process). At the new home, the Denon 2910 was never unpacked and the PS3 became the primary media player. I recently got some nice speakers and was wondering if it is time to unpack the 2910 for its audio capabilities. Of the PS3 and the 2910, which does a better job of processing sound for 2-channel audio and 5.1 Dolby Digital? Is there a simple answer?

Cheers!

That really depends on how you are hooking it up and what audio equipment you are using it with.

AccuView
12-15-08, 01:43 AM
That really depends on how you are hooking it up and what audio equipment you are using it with.

They would be hooked up to my Arcam AVP700/P1000 pre/pro. The PS3 sends sound to the preamp using optical. The 2910 can be connected using 2-channel, 6-channel, HDMI, etc.

Thanks!

barend
12-15-08, 06:22 AM
I've had so many e mails on this in the last few years, which I could not reply to because I could not find the file but here it is finally!
Enjoy! :)

I found a remote hack that bypasses the need for a firmware change. It works perfectly and can be undone by repeating the steps (I don't know if I'll need to switch back to play the new safety encoded discs). Here it is

To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions:

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_A2”. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

This hack needs no firmware upgrade

Surpriser
12-22-08, 01:06 PM
Hello all.

I have a question regarding the 2910.
I`ve noticed two things:
When I play the DVD and press "stop" - the player sometimes goes on standby. There is no rule, in some cases you have to press the button once, twice, sometimes even five times. I have also noticed that when listening to audio CDs and shifting the songs backwards - the opposite function activates - the next song begins to play.

All these functions are working perfectly with the remote so I`m guessing there is a dust problem. I tried hitting the buttons several times and I believe it is better.

Any ideas, experience, opinions would be appriciated!

Thanks!

Zen Traveler
12-25-08, 04:47 PM
Hello all.

I have a question regarding the 2910.
...Any ideas, experience, opinions would be appriciated!

Thanks!

Welcome to the forum Surpriser, but I have had no experiences like that with my DVD 2910 nor do I remember seeing that posted by anyone. I wouldn't think dust would have anything to do with it although I have heard of power surges doing weird things to components.

aapokel
12-26-08, 09:10 AM
I just picked up my 2910 last week. Just out of curiosity - What brand HDMI cables are you guys using? Ive read a thread where it really doesnt make a difference but I am still curios what brands you all use and how much they cost you? ;)

Thanks

Zen Traveler
12-29-08, 09:49 AM
I just picked up my 2910 last week. Just out of curiosity - What brand HDMI cables are you guys using? Ive read a thread where it really doesnt make a difference but I am still curios what brands you all use and how much they cost you? ;)

Thanks

Welcome to the forum, aapokel,

I got mine from this AVS Forum sponsor and have been pleased with their price and service over several orders: http://www.bluejeanscable.com/

YoungC55
01-11-09, 03:32 AM
Nice to see this thread still active.
Just saying hi.

chrisdogmlb
01-13-09, 05:23 PM
Has anyone been able to bitstream any of the lossy DTS or Dolby Digital via HDMI from a DVD-2910 to a ACR-3808? I have the HDMI audio set to Multi (Normal) and the AVR set to Auto Decode. The screen shows 5 channels plus the subwoofer coming in as Multi PCM. I can send the Audio via Optical Bitstream but cannot with HDMI. Is there a handshake issue going on? I have the most recent firmware for both the player and the receiver. I am using a 6 foot long 1.3a grade HDMI cable if that matters.

JAWilson
01-18-09, 09:59 AM
Has anyone been able to bitstream any of the lossy DTS or Dolby Digital via HDMI from a DVD-2910 to a ACR-3808? I have the HDMI audio set to Multi (Normal) and the AVR set to Auto Decode. The screen shows 5 channels plus the subwoofer coming in as Multi PCM. I can send the Audio via Optical Bitstream but cannot with HDMI. Is there a handshake issue going on? I have the most recent firmware for both the player and the receiver. I am using a 6 foot long 1.3a grade HDMI cable if that matters.

Same problem here with my 2910... I have an Integra 9.8 pre-amp that shows "multi-channel" input.

I notice the 2910's display is showing PCM regardless what setting I use.

It's not your ACR or the cable, it's the Denon's problem...but who knows what the answer is?

cyberbri
01-18-09, 02:37 PM
Can't remember if I was able to or not. Haven't used it for DVDs in a while. If you really need bitstream, you can always use an optical cable.

JAWilson
01-18-09, 09:45 PM
Can't remember if I was able to or not. Haven't used it for DVDs in a while. If you really need bitstream, you can always use an optical cable.

Yeah coax and optical works. But it *should* be able to bitstream via HDMI...I can't find anything saying it can't. Just wanted to eliminate cables.

At least now I know I'm not alone.

oldac3
01-21-09, 12:09 PM
Hello All,
Forgive me if I'm asking some rookie questions here, but finding it hard to get answers and this is a 97 page thread, so here goes. I bought a 2910 a while ago but haven't used the upscaling feature since I have a standard def tv, but now I'm ready to go hd.
The manuel doesn't seem very clear on this, but it sounds like you can only upscale via hdmi or dvi, not component. Is that correct? I have a denon avr 4800 and will mostly be playing standard def dvd to a new 46" hdtv. The 4800 will pass a 720p signal via component, but has no hdmi or dvi, so I'm confused as to how I make this all happen. Any help is much appreciated.

mylan
01-21-09, 02:00 PM
The manuel doesn't seem very clear on this, but it sounds like you can only upscale via hdmi or dvi, not component. Is that correct? I have a denon avr 4800 and will mostly be playing standard def dvd to a new 46" hdtv. The 4800 will pass a 720p signal via component, but has no hdmi or dvi, so I'm confused as to how I make this all happen. Any help is much appreciated.

Upscaling can only be done via HDMI or DVI but you do not have to route the video through the receiver, simply run an HDMI from the 2910 directly to the HDTV. You will still have to connect the audio through the receiver however most agree that a receiver will degrade the video signal anyway.

oldac3
01-21-09, 02:18 PM
That makes perfect sense, especially in light of what I've read in the interim since I posted. BUT, I'm more confused than ever regarding the benefits of the upscaling in the first place. That is, should I even use the 2910 to upscale? Will it provide any noticable difference in the video? And how does that relate to what the HDTV will be doing to convert that "720p" signal to its native resolution. BTW, I think I'm going to go with the Sony KDL-46z4100. Not because it's 1080p but because it will fit in my cabinet.

oldac3
01-21-09, 02:23 PM
Simply put, I'm trying to find the best way to make my 700+ standard dvd collection look good using the aforementioned equipment. I'm resigned to the fact that I'll never get HD quality out of them, just want them to look their best. I'm curious if there's any significant difference between playing standard dvd on my sony 35" CRT via the 2910 vs a new setup with upscaling (or without) on an HDTV.

cyberbri
01-21-09, 09:15 PM
You can turn the 2910's upscaling on and off with a quick button press on the remote. Go between 720p, 1080i, and 480p. You can switch and see if you see a difference on your TV.

Bill wong
02-04-09, 07:57 PM
I got a 2910 player for 20$ at the flea market, complete with the box, manual and remote. Unfortunately it is not working. It power on, the drawer open and load disc but it not read. No image at all on the TV and the display show all the functions on at the same time. It will be a good improvement over my Sony DVD/SACD player if i can get it fixed. I know someone who can take a look on it but is there someone have an idea of the problem?

Thanks and regards.

Francesco Villa
02-12-09, 01:26 PM
Hi all, first post here.
I have a 2910 dvd player and I'm 100% satisfied with it, it's connected to a Denon avr-1509 via dvi-hdmi for the video and via optical cable for the audio.

I just have a couple of questions. How do I set the optical audio out to bitstream?
I guess that the "hdmi audio setup" menu is useless for the optical output, and that I have to look at the "audio setup" menu. This menu has a lot of settings that are enabled or disabled depending on how I set the "hdmi audio setup" menu. For example, if I set "multi (normal)" on "hdmi audio setup" then I cannot set "audio channel", "digital output" and "source direct" under the "audio setup" menu, as they are all disabled. Is it normal?
What are the best settings to set the optical audio out to bitstream?

Second question: I've read that this player doesn't work with dvd-r discs and it's obligatory to use dvd+r discs. This seems to apply to single-layer and dual-layer discs.
Is it true? I've used several (about 10 or 15) verbatim dvd-r discs, and everything worked fine. Am I just lucky? Or what I've read is wrong?

Thankyou all for your replies, and sorry for my english.

Rudy81
04-05-09, 10:25 PM
I just finished hooking up my 2910 to my new Integra DHC 9.9 via HDMI. No matter how I set up the system settings, I cannot get bitstream over HDMI. I have the latest firmware and am wondering if this is a flaw in the Denon firmware or if I am doing somehthing wrong.

Based on the previous threads, it is starting to look like a Denon issue. I am just wondering if anyone has solved the problem.

JAWilson
04-13-09, 09:52 PM
I just finished hooking up my 2910 to my new Integra DHC 9.9 via HDMI. No matter how I set up the system settings, I cannot get bitstream over HDMI. I have the latest firmware and am wondering if this is a flaw in the Denon firmware or if I am doing somehthing wrong.

Based on the previous threads, it is starting to look like a Denon issue. I am just wondering if anyone has solved the problem.

Yup...it's the player. I've got a Integra 9.8 and same issue. Must be the HDMI 1.1 of the Denon that's the roadblock. Really too bad because I still heavily use my 2910.

Rudy81
04-13-09, 10:30 PM
Yup...it's the player. I've got a Integra 9.8 and same issue. Must be the HDMI 1.1 of the Denon that's the roadblock. Really too bad because I still heavily use my 2910.

I had posted a similar complaint on another forum and it was suggested to update my firmware from Denon. Went to the Denon site, downloaded and installed the firmware. Now it works. Give it a try.

JAWilson
04-14-09, 08:50 AM
I had posted a similar complaint on another forum and it was suggested to update my firmware from Denon. Went to the Denon site, downloaded and installed the firmware. Now it works. Give it a try.

I checked what was on the Denon site and it shows the May 2005 firmware release available for my player...I was almost certain I had already flashed with this firmware but I'll give it another try.

My player has a November 2004 build date. There is a HDMI 1.1 sticker next to the HDMI port, but I think these players were never anything higher than that. I was wondering if there was some sort of 1.1 / 1.3 issue?

I'll report back here how the reflash goes.

Jason

Rudy81
04-14-09, 12:08 PM
I checked what was on the Denon site and it shows the May 2005 firmware release available for my player...I was almost certain I had already flashed with this firmware but I'll give it another try.

My player has a November 2004 build date. There is a HDMI 1.1 sticker next to the HDMI port, but I think these players were never anything higher than that. I was wondering if there was some sort of 1.1 / 1.3 issue?

I'll report back here how the reflash goes.

Jason

I assumed the issue is an HDMI handshaking issue. After flashing, it now works....not as good as my other 1.3 devices, but it does work and I no longer use the component to send video from that player. Frankly, I no longer use that player for video since my Blu Ray player does a great job with upconverting any video source. I keep it since it is practically worthless on the used market and it is still good for SACD.

Let us know how it turns out.

Edward Schatz
04-14-09, 01:54 PM
My player kicked the bucket. I was keeping it because I could set it to region 0 and play some PAL discs. Can't find a way to make my Marantz player do that.

Ah, well, it was good while it worked.

JAWilson
04-16-09, 08:52 AM
My player kicked the bucket. I was keeping it because I could set it to region 0 and play some PAL discs. Can't find a way to make my Marantz player do that.

Ah, well, it was good while it worked.

They must be going for pretty cheap out there somewhere?

davesino
04-29-09, 03:43 PM
I am having this exact same issue now...Denon sent me the disk and after I installed it I cannot check the firmware version to confirm it installed...I too had done the multi-region remote hack a few months ago and it has always worked fine until now...after updating to 6720-D I cannot check the firmware...I wonder what the deal is here???

Brian

Hi Brian.

If you re-enter the Region Free code (temporarily removing the RF hack), then the show Firmware command should work for you again.

After you have checked your Firmware version (using the 3265 command), then re-apply the Region Free hack once again.

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.

kate*
05-18-09, 10:55 PM
Hi there!

I know this thread is quite old but...

I upgraded my TV and my 2910 stopped working, I checked the Denon site, only the -A version is available.

Is anyone kind enough to send the -D upgrate to mey personal email:

kate@iguti.net

Thank you!
:)

kate*
05-19-09, 02:09 PM
Denon used to have the 6720-E firmware into their webpage, but now they only have the A...

itsadisease
07-02-09, 04:05 PM
Can anyone tell me how to, or if it can be done, to re-initilize the microprocessor on my 2910? I've heard mention of it, and read it on Denon site, but nothing in my manual about it.

Lately, I cannot get mine to function in any mode whatsoever. It goes dead, then alive but not working correctly, then comatose again. Each time I unplug and re try a DVD or CD, something new happens, but never works correctly. Remote doesn't do anything whatsoever, and manual input using front panel controls doesn't do much, if anything at all.

thanks

itsadisease
07-02-09, 08:17 PM
[QUOTE=itsadisease;16760801]Can anyone tell me how to, or if it can be done, to re-initilize the microprocessor on my 2910? I've heard mention of it, and read it on Denon site, but nothing in my manual about it.

Lately, I cannot get mine to function in any mode whatsoever. It goes dead, then alive but not working correctly, then comatose again. Each time I unplug and re try a DVD or CD, something new happens, but never works correctly. Remote doesn't do anything whatsoever, and manual input using front panel controls doesn't do much, if anything at all. I've tried the power on while pushing open/play/skip(rev), enter 73194628, wait and see it go no further routine. Reoplacing the computer in this is more $$ than it's worth. I'll get more fun having target practice on it with my 44mag.


I know many of you praise the 2910. But I tell ya, in the 4yrs I've owned this one, my Elite and an old Sony ES have far outshined it in reliability and quality of build. Plus, they've been hauled all over the world, beaten and banged, drenched and cooked. I don't use the 2910 much, and maybe only 100hrs on it. Everytime I really need it, something goes sideways with it. It's really a POS in my book. The factory has never been able to make it right, never offered a refund, and I will never buy any Denon equipment again. Better to spend a bit more and get the best I can, and something that will last. I hate to think anyone went out and paid retail for a 2910.

ks-man
07-08-09, 08:12 PM
I went to the Denon site to get the newest (still 4 years old) firmware for this DVD Player but it says there are no updates for my player (despite the fact that I know there was a firmware update). Is there anywhere else to download the firmware?

http://usa.denon.com/ProductUpdatesUpgrades.asp

Thanks.

sks939
07-21-09, 04:03 PM
I still have the problem where I cannot use my DVD-2910 HDMI output with the HDMI input of my Denon AVR-4306. Does anyone know if the last firmware rev would fix that problem? If so, can someone point me where to get it? I don't see it on the Denon USA site.

thanks,

Steve
hindmansm at yahoo dot com

Ikemann
08-04-09, 12:48 AM
Here is the link to 2910 firmware:

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Edward Schatz
09-06-09, 05:17 PM
I got a 2910 off my father as mine died. I don't really need it as I have a different player but wanted it for its region free abilities. It was loaded with 6720-C but the Denon site gave me an "upgrade" with my serial to 6720-A. What gives?

Windzilla
09-08-09, 12:23 PM
I got a 2910 off my father as mine died. I don't really need it as I have a different player but wanted it for its region free abilities. It was loaded with 6720-C but the Denon site gave me an "upgrade" with my serial to 6720-A. What gives?

I wish i knew that as well, I talked my way into a 2910 from the place i bought by p42s1 from last week, they had one that they never sold and I asked for it to be thrown in :D

anyway, I have the same "c" version of the firmware, but i am wondering if the "a" version or even the "8" version linked in this thread are a step up in some way, and worth the effort.

Edward Schatz
09-08-09, 04:50 PM
I wish i knew that as well, I talked my way into a 2910 from the place i bought by p42s1 from last week, they had one that they never sold and I asked for it to be thrown in :D

anyway, I have the same "c" version of the firmware, but i am wondering if the "a" version or even the "8" version linked in this thread are a step up in some way, and worth the effort.

The odd thing is that Denon's site pointed me to download A after putting in my serial. Trust me, he (my father) never updated it!

Windzilla
09-14-09, 09:35 PM
The odd thing is that Denon's site pointed me to download A after putting in my serial. Trust me, he (my father) never updated it!

Edward, elsewhere in the thread you said that you had an official copy of version D and offered to send it to someone. I was wondering if you still have it?
I am guessing that you may not because you were looking for a download from denon, but I sent you a PM with my contact info just in case.

Windzilla
10-01-09, 03:18 PM
Does anyone have a copy of the most up-to date firmware for the dvd-2910 they would like to email me? I realize its a long shot, but if you have it, I would appreciate a PM so that I can figure out how to get a copy.

thank you

Windzilla
10-01-09, 11:54 PM
Just a big fat thanks for the firmware, I have it now, forum and its members are GREAT!

In the future if anyone needs it feel free to PM me for it :-)

scannerman
11-01-09, 12:12 PM
Been off this forum for a while - no issues - until now.!! I'm using the 955(silver 2910) with a Sony KDF55 LCD and for the last 3-4 years without any issues.

I've eliminated TV & hdmi cable as the root cause for no output via hdmi.

I've updated Firmware ESS-6720-A according to serial# from Denon.

Funny thing though, the unit flashes hdmi-720 on/off but after pressing hard on cable at back of unit I get a picture while it continues to flash. Quit dvd and the denon bkgd remains on. Toggled unit off/on and the bgkd is gone - no picture.

I am about to get a cheap blu ray off ebay NIB just for the hdmi out for std dvd palyback. Just about to give up.

Any ideas guys??

Thanks,
Mike

JawsCFA
11-03-09, 05:22 PM
Windzilla, I just got a 2910 off ebay, need the firmware please!! Desparate

You are a life saver. how do I get it?

mczolton
11-04-09, 04:50 PM
Just a big fat thanks for the firmware, I have it now, forum and its members are GREAT!

In the future if anyone needs it feel free to PM me for it :-)

What's the latest? I think I have it, but I would like to confirm.

Thanks!

tiggers
11-05-09, 12:23 AM
Been off this forum for a while - no issues - until now.!! ....
Any ideas guys??

My first guess would be a loose HDMI connection to the PCB inside the machine. Does the whole socket move around with the HDMI cable? Might have to open the cover to check it out from the inside.

scannerman
11-07-09, 10:39 PM
Good idea Tiggers - I'll check that out but meantime I bought a new component cable and the pic looks great.

Mike

ks-man
11-12-09, 10:24 PM
I recently updated my 2910 to the 6720-D firmware.

I still can't seem to bitstream DD or DTS to my receiver through HDMI. It displays PCM on my receiver rather than DD or DTS. I believe I have all the right settings in the Setup, HDMI Audio to Multi(Normal).

It looks like some people are successfully getting this to work through HDMI. Does anybody know why it isn't working for me? I thought it was the old firmware, but apparently not.

Thanks.

atrac
01-18-10, 11:47 PM
Does anyone have the latest (or more likely "final") firmware for this player? Please PM me.

Mine has 6720-09 and I think that's fairly old.

Thanks!

bdgeary
01-25-10, 10:38 AM
Is it possible to do these audio formats through HDMI only? If not is it possible through one single coaxial or optical cable without conneting all 5 channel and 5 cables?

Camowie
01-29-10, 03:34 PM
Good afternoon all. I recently upgraded my trusted AVR-3803 to a 3310ci. I'm very pleased with the purchase so far. I initially had the 2910 connected to the 3310 via HDMI only and everything (DVD and DVD-A worked fine). Last night I connected the 2910's analog outs to the 3310's ext in connections so that I could play my SACD's. Now I have nothing; no audio or video of DVD, DVD-A or SACD. I've been playing with the 3310 and 2910 settings with no luck. If anyone has some advice, I would certainly appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.

Nickoff
04-27-10, 10:35 PM
Good afternoon all. I recently upgraded my trusted AVR-3803 to a 3310ci. I'm very pleased with the purchase so far. I initially had the 2910 connected to the 3310 via HDMI only and everything (DVD and DVD-A worked fine). Last night I connected the 2910's analog outs to the 3310's ext in connections so that I could play my SACD's. Now I have nothing; no audio or video of DVD, DVD-A or SACD. I've been playing with the 3310 and 2910 settings with no luck. If anyone has some advice, I would certainly appreciate the help. Thanks in advance.

Camowie

I have a 2910 connected to a new 4310ci and have the exact same problem - no video through HDMI or component inputs and no audio through HDMI, Coax digital or 5.1 analog.... Not sure what has happended. On the 4310 thread I got told to update the firmware on the 2910 but I not sure how to do it?

Nick

Dr.Evazan
06-17-10, 02:33 PM
im thinking about getting a denon 2910 and was wondering if i plug it into a switched surge protector will i lose all my settings and stuff everytime the power to it gets switched off?

Zen Traveler
06-17-10, 09:43 PM
im thinking about getting a denon 2910 and was wondering if i plug it into a switched surge protector will i lose all my settings and stuff everytime the power to it gets switched off?

No. :)