Hmm - is there a special trick? I go to http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

I select DVD-2910 and put in my SN and it says There are no upgrades available for your product at this time. - I currently have version 5

If I change my SN - it tells me the SN is not valid so I'm sure I've got the right SN.

It's at

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

Okay, so I just got a Mitsubishi WS-55515 and hooked my DVD-1910 up to the HDMI port. It didn't work, so I came here, read about the firmware update, boom, I am in business. I do have a question, perhaps this should even be posted in RPTV's but...

My TV up-converts ALL signals to 1080i, including the RCA jacks LOL. but why oh why does my 249.00 DVD player do a BETTER JOB on this up-conversion?

Originally posted by boe
Hmm - is there a special trick? I go to http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

I select DVD-2910 and put in my SN and it says There are no upgrades available for your product at this time. - I currently have version 5

If I change my SN - it tells me the SN is not valid so I'm sure I've got the right SN.

boe what do u mean by 6 digits lower? can u give me an example

hi there

can someone forward the -7 firmware to me!?
I bought my machine in japan so my serial number does'nt work on the us denon site

anyhow....

my e-mail is

josaka@hotmail.com

thanking any kind hearted person in advance!
ps

will it overwrite my multiregion freeness?

ta

josaka

I would like it too..pls pm me link, or I can send u email too

Josaka - I've done my part - you should have it shortly. If it works for you please send it to zoro.

will do!

thanks in advance..

any comments about it overwriting my region free capabilities?

ta...!

josaka

I would guess wherever the region free mod is available, they will have an update out for version 7 although if you update now - my guess -with no real knowledge whatsoever - is that this would turn off the region free capabilities.

Originally posted by josaka
any comments about it overwriting my region free capabilities?



yes it will. I fyou are non-US then you have to get the International version from your local Denon Centre.

Ok can anyone post a list of the fixes versions -6 and -7 were supposed to fix, so we can make a list for people who download it to check for and see if things are improved/fixed/added?


Items I knew of for sure....

1) green push?
2) black macroblocking?
3) additional HDMI/functions/settings?
4) image harshness/graininess
5) correction/addition of subtle color tones/shades?

I don't think it has done anything about the macroblocking or graininess.

I believe it does do a minor fix to the black level in normal mode.
It seems to do some mod to the HDMI - I can't say for sure.

I applied the -7 firmware update. Interestingly, running hdmi-hdmi, ire -7.5, 1080i progressive on, and toggling between enhanced black and normal yields no perceptible difference to me. Before, it was quite obvious what the difference was. Can anyone else who has applied the update test this?

The docs that come with the firmware list these as added over the previous version:

"DVD-955S, DVD-2910, DVD-2910S, DVD-3910 & DVD 3910S

This Firmware corrects the following issues on models listed above.

1. Corrects for black level adjustment and range in Normal mode.
2. Instruction sheet for HDMI 1.1 update."

I applied the -7 firmware to my DVD2910 and couldn't back it out fast enough. The macroblocking problem was enhanced 10 fold with the update. Went back to the -5 version. My display is a Sony KDF55WF655 (HDMI-HDMI).

How does one revert to a previous firmware version?

The above listed link on this page (Jim C.'s) does work for the v-7 upgrade.

Try putting your SN in without spaces.... i.e, a continous string of 10 digits.

Worked for me after I did the string. Kicked me out when I had spaces, as written on the player.

Originally posted by jvisco1
I applied the -7 firmware to my DVD2910 and couldn't back it out fast enough. The macroblocking problem was enhanced 10 fold with the update. Went back to the -5 version. My display is a Sony KDF55WF655 (HDMI-HDMI).

You initialized the player after doing the install?
And set IRE to 0 and Blacks to Normal?
Then recalibrated your Brightness with a test disc (all in that order)?

You probably did, but just thought I would check.

Denon Claims that the 955s and the 2910s are the same units and they even share the same manual. Also, the serial number for a 955s works when you choose the 2910s from the dropdown on Denon's update page. So why is it that the -7 firmware is ONLY for the 2910? why is the 955s stuck at version -5? Has anyone been able to find a difference in these units or would you know why 955s units are not being treated as equal in support?

on the denon official firmware install -7 .pdf it says
"this firmware will be 6270 -7 on the dvd-955s 2910 and 2901s"
so it seems the same for all concerned...

also can anyone tell me what the earlier versions of the firmware fix? {or dont!}
from -4 to -7

and the latest version that has a region free mod...

just so its clear -ish....!

tar

josaka

Originally posted by josaka
also can anyone tell me what the earlier versions of the firmware fix? {or dont!}
from -4 to -7

and the latest version that has a region free mod...


Probably a good idea to get a list going, especially since the Read Me files from Denon definitely dont list all of the fixes.

From what I know:

US V-4 / International V-5:
1. Alleviated green push on DVI (color space conversion problem?)

US V-5 / International V-6:
1. Fixed the Dont-Pass-Less-Than-Black bug on Normal Blacks (Official)
2. Removed half working zoom on DVI

US V-7 / International V-7:
1. Corrects for black level adjustment and range in Normal mode. (Official)
2. Instruction sheet for HDMI 1.1 update." (Official)


There are no region free mods, the firmware that is out there that does this is merely the official International firmware that has been released into the wild.

If anyone has read me's or knowledge on what else has changed please post it and will update this humble little list

Originally posted by HumanMedia
You initialized the player after doing the install?
And set IRE to 0 and Blacks to Normal?
Then recalibrated your Brightness with a test disc (all in that order)?

You probably did, but just thought I would check.

I thought we were supposed to use IRE 7.5?

The ISF tech who calibrated my Sammy 5674 DLP set my 2910's IRE to 7.5, Normal, HDMI to HDMI.
I have seen mentioned setting IRE to 0 here before, even Enhanced mode, but my ISF tech knew this player and kept my initial 7.5 and Normal setting.

Hell, he reset all my 2910 Mem tweaks ( damn! took me weeks..... ) to Normal default and then worked on the 5674 for 2 hours, so what does that tell you.

His logic was .... "you can tweak your player all day but let's do the real thing- fix your greyscale, chromatics , and color balance".

Best money I ever spent ... getting the display ISF'd .........

Originally posted by BOK123
The ISF tech who calibrated my Sammy 5674 DLP set my 2910's IRE to 7.5, Normal, HDMI to HDMI.
I have seen mentioned setting IRE to 0 here before, even Enhanced mode, but my ISF tech knew this player and kept my initial 7.5 and Normal setting.

Hell, he reset all my 2910 Mem tweaks ( damn! took me weeks..... ) to Normal default and then worked on the 5674 for 2 hours, so what does that tell you.

His logic was .... "you can tweak your player all day but let's do the real thing- fix your greyscale, chromatics , and color balance".

Best money I ever spent ... getting the display ISF'd .........

I think a lot of us get caught up in making tons of little adjustments at the expense of the basics. It sounds like you had a great technician.

Originally posted by HumanMedia
Probably a good idea to get a list going, especially since the Read Me files from Denon definitely dont list all of the fixes.

From what I know:

US V-4 / International V-5:
1. Alleviated green push on DVI (color space conversion problem?)

US V-5 / International V-6:
1. Fixed the Dont-Pass-Less-Than-Black bug on Normal Blacks (Official)
2. Removed half working zoom on DVI

US V-7 / International V-7:
1. Corrects for black level adjustment and range in Normal mode. (Official)
2. Instruction sheet for HDMI 1.1 update." (Official)


There are no region free mods, the firmware that is out there that does this is merely the official International firmware that has been released into the wild.





great !

did I hear about faster menu and loading times and macro tweak(not fix)..?


so who's got "international" version -7 then?

please... send it on!

ta

josaka



If anyone has read me's or knowledge on what else has changed please post it and will update this humble little list

hey jo!! thnx for all your kind help! so, if this new -7 firmware that has same name, as region free one! wont change region? if it does may be we can re run region free again?
pls advise

What the heck is "Instruction sheet for HDMI 1.1 update"? Sounds like a garbled translation :)

can someone help with settings for their 2910 connected to sony 55/60xs955 lcd tv via hdmi, if calibrated with avia or dve
thnx

Originally posted by nash0r
What the heck is "Instruction sheet for HDMI 1.1 update"? Sounds like a garbled translation :)

No, it literally is an instruction sheet on what works via HDMI (e.g., what sound is passed from what input and all of that).

It is included with the download. It isn't really part of the firmware per se.

Does anyone know if you have to install the -5 upgrade first, then the -7, or does the -7 contain all upgrades needed?

BenF,

Just go to -7.

My understanding is that when flashing the firmware, the one on the player gets erased, then the update gets copied.

There is no improvement in the black macroblocking with firmware version 7. I might need to reload 5 to be sure that its not worse, but there is no improvement. I watched 2 sci fi movies last night with lots of black scenes.

dvdchance can u comment if multi region is removed with update or not?

Zoro,

My player has never had a multi-region fw installed.

I applied the -7 firmware to a US 2910 last night. I then calibrated with Avia. Brightness (black level) had not changed (I use the moving 2 black bars as I have a DLP display). On the other hand, the Contrast (white level) was way off. I needed to boost contrast signifiantly to get the lighter of the two moving white bars to fade into the background.

Before I applied the upgrade, I had adjusted my display with Avia about 6 to 8 weeks ago. I don't think anything else changed over that time, but I can't be sure. It does seem like the -7 firmware made some change to the white level setting.

Anyone else notice this?

Ira

iblumberg

Please give us more data:

1. IRE setting, 7.5 or ?

2. DVI or component?

3. What DLP?

4. Auto 1, Auto 2...?

5. More

Originally posted by Jim Christian
iblumberg

Please give us more data:

1. IRE setting, 7.5 or ?

7.5, normal

2. DVI or component?

DVI @ 720P

3. What DLP?

Optoma H77 projector

4. Auto 1, Auto 2...?

Auto1, STD

5. More

Sorry for the previous lack of detail. All of the above settings are the same before and after the flash from -5 to -7.

Ira

Is everyone doing the recommended "Initialize" step after updating firmware?

Indeed 2910, -7 erases previous region free -4 firmware I hade! I find PQ less pleasing!

Is their any -5, 0r -6 firmware from denon with region free?

<<<I find PQ less pleasing!>>>

What are your 2910 settings?

Did you calibrate with Avia or DVE?

no, it was not originally either!

I have a sony 60xs955, can you pls comment on some settings

Installed version 7 without a hitch. Still have it set to normal/0, not that I think 7.5 is worse, it's just that I don't have to change my TV settings too drastically as I only have only one DVI input. I certainly don't think the picture is worse. Of course the perception is that it's more natural appearing now. The green tint is still there and +2 seems to be a good setting compensation for it. But, I don't push the color up anymore and I adjust the sharpness down a bit.

+2 where?

question about macroblocking:

I'm watching Bourne Supremacy as I type and notice that when there is a large background of a single color (like the background of the interrogation room) there is some graininess as well as some sort of vertical flicker/banding. it's subtle but noticable. is this the macroblocking I've read about? I'm using DVI to DVI to a Sony GWIII in 720 mode. I am awaiting my firmware update in the mail.

thanks.

definitely notcing a Green push on this DVD, but did not last night on 3 others.

I watched "Friday Night Lights" last night after installing the -7 firmware and re-calibrated my Panasonic AE500U and thought the picture was outstanding!

HUE @ +2 on the player. My TV was originally calibrated with a D1. After reading this forum's suggestions and staring at the DVE greyscales, I have to correct it by what seems to be the commonly used +2.

No macroblocking.

And the bridge scene on the DVE montage shows more different blacks than before. Also the guy and girl talking at the restaurant, his jacket is not black, like the waiter's. That is easier to see now with the -7 version.

Did any one applied region hack after successfuly upgrading to -7

Originally posted by zoro
Did any one applied region hack after successfuly upgrading to -7


The region 'hack' is simply the International v-7 fimware. Apart from the international version, there is no hack.

Originally posted by zoro
Did any one applied region hack after successfuly upgrading to -7


The region 'hack' is simply the International v-7 fimware. Apart from the international version, there is no hack.

I have spent the better part of this weekend reading all 50+ pages of this thread and have found a lot of great info on the 2910. I just purchased one a few days ago to replace a Sony unit. So far I am very happy with it. I have it hooked up to my 61" Samsung DLP via the DVI input. I went through the procedure of checking the firmware revision and found that it has the -5 version in it. I have download the -7 version from Denon's website but have not installed yet. Denon does not seem to provide change logs with their updates, so it is difficult to know what is being corrected or changed. I was wondering if anybody would be willing to E-Mail me the -5 Firmware file, so that if I am not happy with the -7 update, I can put it back the way it was. My E-Mail is gwakim@sbcglobal.net. Denon also does not keep past updates posted on their website.

Well, i am still waiting info, on 2910 settings, via hdmi to sony xs955, rp lcd

Can someone check, if this region free firmware could be applied after -7 upgrade?
thnx

Originally posted by zoro
Can someone check, if this region free firmware could be applied after -7 upgrade?
thnx


Yes you can install the International Region Free v-7 (or v-6, v-5, v-4) firmware after installing the US v-7 Firmware, effectively replacing it. But you will lose the US firmware, and if the International version is lower than the US one, your firmware will be at that lower version.

Where can I get international V-7? pls help

It is not sent out to end users anymore and has to be installed in a Denon Service centre. If there is an International -7 out there I'd love a copy as well, as its a huge hassle for me to go through the official process.

ok ......

Hope this helps somebody.....

There is no region free "update" or "hack"....

There is only an entire machine firmware overwrite..(which overwrites the region free
capability)

What I have come to understand (from human media and others)
is that there is an "international" version..
Which you can upload to any 2910(regardless of the machines origin) ...
it will then be region free!!

The latest region free software I can find scouring forums in the
UK , JAPAN , SINGAPORE and the US is version -4 whereas the current version
which not region free is -7. Apparently -8 is soon..

So any kind soul who has a later version (than -4) of the "international region free firmware"

please e-mail it to

josaka@hotmail.com

ta in advance

josaka

I co request with josaka!!

Dude!! I saw on another forum, there is remote hack too?

A friend bought a used 2910 for around $500. It has been a while since I saw the 2910. After tested the new HQV in the A1XV (5910) and the Gennum in the Marantz 12S4, this time I really pay attention to the 2910 deinterlace performance and overall picture quality. And I're speechless! It was way better than I expected (and remembered!)! I offer my friend the same price to take the 2910 off him! Sadly he refused! I guess I need to take back my comment about the A1XV, as far as video is concerned! :D

regards,

Li On

PS: in case you must know, it's the old -2 firmware, and NO MB issue on my friend's setup.

Anyone know how to turn OFF audio via HDMI on 2910? I have a Sammy 5063 which I want to hook up via HDMI but I have to turn off Sammy internal spk to cut off sound no matter what I set the 2910 HDMI audio on. This effects other vid inputs that I want to have internal spk ON. I've tried all 3 settings on 2910. I'd use DVI but I want to save that for HD CATV box.

Originally posted by Li On
A friend bought a used 2910 for around $500. It has been a while since I saw the 2910. After tested the new HQV in the A1XV (5910) and the Gennum in the Marantz 12S4, this time I really pay attention to the 2910 deinterlace performance and overall picture quality. And I're speechless! It was way better than I expected (and remembered!)! I offer my friend the same price to take the 2910 off him! Sadly he refused! I guess I need to take back my comment about the A1XV, as far as video is concerned! :D

regards,

Li On

PS: in case you must know, it's the old -2 firmware, and NO MB issue on my friend's setup.

Hmm, as I am not using my new 2910 hardly, I would take 550$ for it if I could get that. 500$ seems a little cheap considering just a while ago it was out of stock in alot of places.

I'd take your 2910 for around the price my friend paid. But I'm only buying local (region free, NTSC/PAL model)! :D

regards,

Li On

Hi Li On,

I am in HK too n do have a AE500/2910 combo using Monster DVI cable for connection. I know you have a lot of experience in calibrating the picture, so do you mind to share it with me. If OK, call me at 91838838. Thanks a million.

Happy New Year !!!


Alex

:) :) :)

davige,

I too have looked through both the 2910 manual and my Sammy 5674 manual and have yet to find a way to accomplish the HDMI Audio OFF separate from the HDMI video feed. I think we are up against a new connectivity engineering curve. Eventually ( unless we are missing something obvious) it will be a feature to activate/deactivate HDMI Audio and Video feed from monitor, or source, specific.

I too hate wasting my time putting my Sammy 5674 Audio on mute when I want to watch a DVD via HDMI.
The only benefit is if you do not want to fire up the processor and separate amps ( if you have a config like mine) when the neighborhood kids are over and you can't be there to "supervise" your gear.

can anyone confirm that the most recent firmware removes the green push? I am going DVI to a Sony GWIII. I am a mac user so my firmware is in the mail. currently -5. If the green push remains I may upgrade to the 3910.

thanks

On a side note from all this firmware/macroblocking postings;I always thought my 2910 was an awesome performer for both audio and video and an exceptional value.., this was further confirmed by a couple of glowing reviews in a couple of recent publications. The recent " The Absolute Sound " magazine, a publication that usually snobs mass marketed equipment gave the 2910 the " editors choice award" for great audio and video performance. Another UK publication, "What Hifi" also awarded the 2910 "best all around value". Just thought Id throw this info out there for those that care....Sit back and enjoy!!

Originally posted by coldengray
can anyone confirm that the most recent firmware removes the green push? I am going DVI to a Sony GWIII. I am a mac user so my firmware is in the mail. currently -5. If the green push remains I may upgrade to the 3910.

thanks

I have upgraded to -7 and still need to bump the 'hue' up to +1 to tone down the green push. But that seems to do it just fine. (Display is Sammy hlp6163, connected via HDMI.)

Originally posted by pimpcasso
On a side note from all this firmware/macroblocking postings;I always thought my 2910 was an awesome performer for both audio and video and an exceptional value.., this was further confirmed by a couple of glowing reviews in a couple of recent publications. The recent " The Absolute Sound " magazine, a publication that usually snobs mass marketed equipment gave the 2910 the " editors choice award" for great audio and video performance. Another UK publication, "What Hifi" also awarded the 2910 "best all around value". Just thought Id throw this info out there for those that care....Sit back and enjoy!!

Overall, I'm very happy with the 2910. However, I have a Panasonic 50HD7UY and the macroblocking can be very distracting at times. It is a wart on an otherwise exceptional player. To be honest, if they could fix the MB I would have no complaints about this player. However, if I could(and I can't) I would return it for a different player. Its become the thing I dread when watching movies even though I keep telling myself to ignore it. I purchased the Panny panel for its exceptional blacks and with this player I'm forced to try to ignore blacks so I don't notice the macoblocking. That really shouldn't be happening with a player costing greater than $600.00.

I just bought a 2910 and had a question regarding audio setup. I'm connected to my TV through HDMI and to my receiver through optical. When I go to the setup menu and go to audio setup, the first 4 options (Audio Channel, Digital Output, LPCM and Source Direct) are all greyed out and unselectable. Is this normal? It seems to be on factory defaults and DD does work through my receiver, but the manual doesn't say anything about why these choices would be greyed out. This also means that I can't set the speaker configuration options and channel levels.

On a side note do people set that info through the DVD player if they are running it all to the receiver, or do they just set the information in their receiver and leave the Speaker Config stuff in the 2910 on the defaults? Thanks for the help.

I just figured out why those settings were greyed out. I was set on HDMI audio to multi rather than 2ch. Now they work. I'd still be interested though about if people do the speaker config in the DVD player or just in their receivers. Thanks.

Originally posted by ks-man
I just figured out why those settings were greyed out. I was set on HDMI audio to multi rather than 2ch. Now they work. I'd still be interested though about if people do the speaker config in the DVD player or just in their receivers. Thanks.

I, and I think most people, do the speaker configuration, distance settings, etc., all in their AVR and leave the DVD alone in this regard.

I've found that the 291 defaults to Large speakers and if you have small speakers with a sub you will have horrible audio performance and the AVR can not override/compensate for what the 2910 is(is not) sending it, especially when your using the 6/8 Channel analog output. You will need to change your speakers to small, and I needed to enable the +10 on subwoofer option in order to get any decent low end out of the unit. My scenario is when using the analog outs and playing SACD's, that's where I noticed the poor audio performance, once I switched the speaker configuration it's exceptionally good. it also took me a while to figure out how to get into the speaker configuration... I finally had to look it up inside the manual :).

My statement is that you must set the configuration in BOTH the 2910 and your AVR.

Originally posted by davige
Anyone know how to turn OFF audio via HDMI on 2910? I have a Sammy 5063 which I want to hook up via HDMI but I have to turn off Sammy internal spk to cut off sound no matter what I set the 2910 HDMI audio on. This effects other vid inputs that I want to have internal spk ON. I've tried all 3 settings on 2910. I'd use DVI but I want to save that for HD CATV box.
I've seen this same question before many times on AVS and I have yet to see why the answer isn't simply "turn the volume down on the TV" when you are using your SS receiver for audio. What am I missing?

flex,

you are not missing anything. we could just turn down the monitors volume control. Yes, pretty basic procedure. Yet for separate connectivity purposes - processor, separate amps ( no receiver w/ video pass ) - it sure would be convenient to program HDMI to send/receive video only, either through the monitor or the 2910.

Granted, goes against the HDMI spec, but my Sammy DVI port is occupied by my Moto STB, otherwise I would run the 2910 straight to my Sammy 5674 DLP using DVI.
We are just wishing at the end of the day........

kring,

I'm considering getting the 2910 for SACD and DVD-A use and I'm concerned about this issue because I have small speakers. My mains only go down to 120 Hz - anything below that goes to the sub. When hooked up through analog inputs what is the x-over for the sub that the 2910 sends out? I'm worried it will be much lower then 120 Hz and I'll be missing a large portion of the sound field due to the limitations of my mains. By switching the speaker configuration to small is this raising the frequency of the sub x-over?

jtrutig, yes by switching to small speakers it definitly raises the cutoff but I don't know to what point. While in large speaker mode my sub had zero response on the two SACD's I've tried: Sting - Brand New Day, Dave Brubeck - Time Out. When I finally figured out how to activate the small speaker mode everything filled out, I have the Harman Kardon HKTS 14's and can't locate the range specs on them. and I've gone through the 2910 manual and could not find any specifications on this option. The HKTS's are pretty small speakers so I'd image it's giving adequate range to the sub. you could try calling Denon and see if they have the exact specs.

Now that everything is set proerly I'm 100% satisfied with the audio.

I am having problems with my 2910 since installing the latest upgrade from Denon's website. Now it won't played most burnt DVD's and CD's and even some store bought discs. After loading it says stop but sometimes won't even open the drawer. While playing a DVD last night none of the play/stop/pause etc. buttons would work. Denon Canada is trying to tell me that the software on Denon USA's website won't work in a Canadian player yet Denon USA says they are the same unit. When I checked the software version and make day # after installing the upgrades, everything was ok as per the instructions that Denon provides. Any ideas??

Originally posted by kring
jtrutig, yes by switching to small speakers it definitely raises the cutoff but I don't know to what point. While in large speaker mode my sub had zero response on the two SACD's I've tried: Sting - Brand New Day, Dave Brubeck - Time Out. When I finally figured out how to activate the small speaker mode everything filled out, I have the Harman Kardon HKTS 14's and can't locate the range specs on them. and I've gone through the 2910 manual and could not find any specifications on this option. The HKTS's are pretty small speakers so I'd image it's giving adequate range to the sub. you could try calling Denon and see if they have the exact specs.

Now that everything is set proerly I'm 100% satisfied with the audio.

Thanks a lot for the info. Maybe I will call Denon and see if they have the specs. I'll post what I find out. I'm assuming this works the same for DVD-A too, did you try DVD-A disc?

This is what I would do if I had very small speakers that can't go down to 80Hz (2910's cross-over for small speakers) and I wanted to listen to M/C SACD or DVD-A.

In the 2910's speaker setup, I would set the front L/R to Large, the C/SL/SR set to Small and set the Sub to None (assuming you have a Sub with high speaker inputs and outputs which a lot of subs do). Then I would run only five analog audio cables to the receiver's ext-in (no Sub connection). Next, I would run the FL/FR speaker level wires from the receiver through the Sub and use the Sub's cross-over to adjust the cross-over to 120Hz.

If you don't like this idea, spend another $700 and buy the 3910 which has more cross-over options in the speaker set-up menu.

Hope this helps...

I am using my 2910 to a Pioneer 4304 plasma. I have read the desired setting for proper black level and color space is "normal" and "0". Setting the player to "0" produces very black "blacks" in dark scenes, however there is little detail. Setting to 7.5 produces much more detail in dark scenes. I also notice that switching the HDMI out from Y Cb Cr to RGB has about the same effect as going from "0" to "7.5". I have it set to Y Cb Cr. Any one have any comments on this? I realize the Pio's do not have the back levels of the Panny's, but I am not sure the Pioneer's black level is the issue here with the detail I see when setting at "0". I haven't calibrated with Avia or DVE yet, just by eye, Picture quality is great with HD from my STB and from the Denon on a well transfered DVD. I need to go to the Denon website and see what software release I'm running, I believe my player was built in December. Thanks.

John

Originally posted by antennahead
I am using my 2910 to a Pioneer 4304 plasma. I have read the desired setting for proper black level and color space is "normal" and "0". Setting the player to "0" produces very black "blacks" in dark scenes, however there is little detail. Setting to 7.5 produces much more detail in dark scenes. I also notice that switching the HDMI out from Y Cb Cr to RGB has about the same effect as going from "0" to "7.5". I have it set to Y Cb Cr. Any one have any comments on this? I realize the Pio's do not have the back levels of the Panny's, but I am not sure the Pioneer's black level is the issue here with the detail I see when setting at "0". I haven't calibrated with Avia or DVE yet, just by eye, Picture quality is great with HD from my STB and from the Denon on a well transfered DVD. I need to go to the Denon website and see what software release I'm running, I believe my player was built in December. Thanks.

John

The pioneer plasmas use pc monitor specs, unless yours is different from the rest. Most people have said that they used the enhanced black settting or IRE of 7.5. So that is probably the way to go.

Mine is on enhanced or I lose lots of detail on my dark sci fi stuff. Technically one: IRE 7.5 or enhanced black setting should only be correct, not both. But I am not sure which.

Thanks ZZ, i thought the Pio used pc specs, thanks for confirming that. So what you are saying is normal and 7.5 or enhanced and "0", but not enhanced and 7,5 correct? I seem to get the most detail at mormal and 7.5 and using the HDMI out at Y Cb Cr, HDMI RGB also darkens too much and eliminates detail.

Jhn

Originally posted by ZZtop
The pioneer plasmas use pc monitor specs, unless yours is different from the rest. Most people have said that they used the enhanced black settting or IRE of 7.5. So that is probably the way to go.


What is the source of this? Is it in the manual?

So, can somebody here confirm is the Panasonic AE500 LCD projector set at PC monitor spec. or not . If not, then should we use 'Normal' n '0' IRE while using DVI connection ? Thanks.

Guys, the understanding and methods to go about testing your video chain for these matters is explained in my advanced source settings guide (link in sig).

This also depends on your connection method. IRE is a purely analog concept, and so it should only apply to the analog outputs, unfortunately many consumer-grade players and sources wrongly shift digital values around instead of implementing the IRE setup adjustment purely in the analog domain. Thus, the IRE setup option may affect your digital outputs (unfortunately).

Originally posted by AccuView
What is the source of this? Is it in the manual?

Pioneer is the source, its been posted many times. Thats why with 7.5 ire or enhanced black setting brings out details that should never have been missing.

ZZtop...I too have a Pioneer plasma (4340) and a Denon 2910 (duh, I'm posting on the 2910 thread).

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does it mean that the Pioneer plasma uses PC monitor specs??? As opposed to??? Would it be NTSC specs?? What does that mean?

Please educate me.

Thanks

Originally posted by TheSkeptiks
ZZtop...I too have a Pioneer plasma (4340) and a Denon 2910 (duh, I'm posting on the 2910 thread).

Please excuse my ignorance, but what does it mean that the Pioneer plasma uses PC monitor specs??? As opposed to??? Would it be NTSC specs?? What does that mean?

Please educate me.

Thanks

Among other things, displays that use pc specs, use a different number of colors/shades than traditional tv type displays.

Thats why the above member wasn't seeing all the shades on his pio plasma.

In that case, for the right colorspace, should one be using HDMI with RGB out instead Y Cb Cr out?

As far as IRE is concerned, should it really matter what the source IRE level is if the display is properly recalibrated? The IRE level change on the DVD player has to go with a recalibration of the display and with both IRE levels and following recalibration, the end result should be the same, right?

According to Mr. Wiggles link, and correct me if I misread it, it shouldn't make that much of a difference if the monitor is properly calibrated for the input, just that using 7.5 for the Pioneer starts out correct and should require less re-calibrating. If I add "enhanced" to the 7.5 the picture is too black and detail is lost. The same thng happens if I change the HDMI setting to RGB, Y cb Cr shows more detail. I haven't purchased Avia or DVE yet, but set my brightness level using the THX "two black bars" from a THX DVD, this with normal, 7.5, and HDMI at Y Cb Cr, I got a very good lack level with detail doing that. I also remember reading where kris Deering recommended HDMI at Y Cb Cr, someting to do with passing more info or something and giving the monitor more to work with.

John

I am not the best authority on the colorspace info,I have read that entire thread about it and HDMI and its implementation and while I thought I understood most of it technically, I don't know much about 90% of what was written first hand, only engineers would I suspect mostly.

However, I do know from the mags and sites that pioneer plasmas have their roots in monitor display technology, as to the current generation I can't speak to it.

Some of the pioneer plasmas sold, were actually listed as plasma monitors, people just used them with external tuners like most early adopters did.

I need to investigate this business I am hearing about, where someone is using HDMI or DVI and by switching the type of output to something different <Yc etc. vs, HDMI, vs DVI> they get a better image on the same original output--meaning they are toggling through the settings on the same cable and output to get a better image.

If this is true, I would guess different displays give a better image, due to their native implementation of the number of colorspace codes.

I am with you, sometimes i think I understand itall and sometimes I don't :-) I can say without a doubt that on the Pioneer plasma, when I switch to RGB from the HDMI Y Cb Cr setting on the 2910 the difference is akin to switching from "0" to 7.5, and also from switching from normal to enhanced, it darkens that much. If I set it to "0" and enhanced and RGB though all together the effect isn't accumilative as you mght expect. it looks right to me at 7.5, normal, and Y Cb Cr when brightness is adjusted with the THX black bars.

John

I am conflicted in recommending YCbCr output with HDMI, because the upconversion colorspace errors can come into play, however at this point in time AFAIK, YCbCr is not being screwed up by expansion to PC levels as much as the DVI output is being screwed up.

I'm sorry I can't provide any specific info on this player, since I've not used one myself. I can only point to the methods to test all these things using your system and test discs to make sure your blacks and whites are set properly and using the best option setting in your system.

I was playing with DVE on my 2910 last night (display is Samsung hlp 6163). When using HDMI Yb etc., I come up with the Brightness (i.e., black level) setting of 42 (using the reverse gray ramps of DVE); with the RGB version of HDMI the Brightness setting comes out to be 34. (I keep the Contrast, i.e., white level setting, always at 100.)

I can't see any difference once I make the appropriate Brightness setting in each case. Does anyone have a preference?

Millerwill, what you're saying I think mirrors what Mr. Wiggles link says, recalibrating it should be the same. Using RGB I have to set the brightness higher also on my pioneer plasma. I'm using YCbCr. I am not sure, but using HDMI to HDMI I don't think has the colorspace issues that HDMI to DVI has when using YCbCr , but I could be wrong.

John

I live in Canada. It seems that I cannot get my update even though once I enter my SN, it says that I need one. But since I don't live in the US or Mexico, I'm out of luck. The Denon.ca website has a "coming up soon" on the "upgrades" web page. Hey, I'm a little north of you! It's like Vermont, but with wolves you know... It's still more or less civilized here...

Can someone be kind enough to e-mail me the update. My e-mail is jmjacobson@mac.com (I have a PC as well).

Thank you for your help.

I live in Canada. It seems that I cannot get my update even though once I enter my SN, it says that I need one. But since I don't live in the US or Mexico, I'm out of luck.

Why dont you just change your location on your computer to the US?

I don't have an address, a zip code, etc etc... I guess I could make one up, but it becomes a potential pain for future references with Denon in case I have a problem... If no one feels inclined to e-mail me the update, I might have to do that, but it does not feel right...

Originally posted by millerwill
I was playing with DVE on my 2910 last night (display is Samsung hlp 6163). When using HDMI Yb etc., I come up with the Brightness (i.e., black level) setting of 42 (using the reverse gray ramps of DVE); with the RGB version of HDMI the Brightness setting comes out to be 34. (I keep the Contrast, i.e., white level setting, always at 100.)

I can't see any difference once I make the appropriate Brightness setting in each case. Does anyone have a preference?

So, in summary, if one adjusts the Brightness appropriately in each case, do the experts among you have a general recommendation for HDMI Yb etc compared to RGB?

I received it. Thank you!

Salut Jean-Marc,

I was in same boat as you... no Canadian firmware available from Denon.ca!!!

I see a kind soul sent it to you, but for future upgrades, I figured out how to get the file without having to fill out the form.

usa.denon.com/support/downloads/D21ZSAVD.zip

The firmware I got was #7 (even if the page said #5) works great with my canuck player.

You can double check the zip file name in the source code of the web page (above the name field).

This player is absolutly amaaaaazing! and worth every hard earned penny. Coupled with my Sony 34XBR910 the picture looks like a million buck$.

Simon

Originally posted by antennahead
According to Mr. Wiggles link, and correct me if I misread it, it shouldn't make that much of a difference if the monitor is properly calibrated for the input, just that using 7.5 for the Pioneer starts out correct and should require less re-calibrating. If I add "enhanced" to the 7.5 the picture is too black and detail is lost. The same thng happens if I change the HDMI setting to RGB, Y cb Cr shows more detail. I haven't purchased Avia or DVE yet, but set my brightness level using the THX "two black bars" from a THX DVD, this with normal, 7.5, and HDMI at Y Cb Cr, I got a very good lack level with detail doing that. I also remember reading where kris Deering recommended HDMI at Y Cb Cr, someting to do with passing more info or something and giving the monitor more to work with.

John

John,

I have the 2910 and Pioneer 5045HD combo. Looks like you might have something similar. Care to post your 2910 and plasma picture settings?

Thanks!

I just got my 2910 and after upgrading the firmware to -8 it now always freezes while playing all DVD's. Anyone heard of this happening before ?

This question is going to make me fell stupid after someone answers it but I am having brain lock. I am just now using my 2910 for SACD and DVDA. DVDA works and sounds great but on the SACD I can only get it to play on 2 channels(front). The SACD is multi channel and on the display is shows all the channels active. I have it going into a Yammy 2400 and all channels are hooked up to the receiver and the receiver is set to multi in. So everything should work fine, I would think.

Thanks in advance, Cliff

CLRV: What connections are you using to connect the 2910 to your AVR? SACD multi only works with the 6CH analog out. if your using COAX or Otical out you will only get 2CH output.


Originally posted by clrv
This question is going to make me fell stupid after someone answers it but I am having brain lock. I am just now using my 2910 for SACD and DVDA. DVDA works and sounds great but on the SACD I can only get it to play on 2 channels(front). The SACD is multi channel and on the display is shows all the channels active. I have it going into a Yammy 2400 and all channels are hooked up to the receiver and the receiver is set to multi in. So everything should work fine, I would think.

Thanks in advance, Cliff

Does anybody have firmware -5 or -6 for the 2910 they could email me ? Thanks.

Originally posted by kring
CLRV: What connections are you using to connect the 2910 to your AVR? SACD multi only works with the 6CH analog out. if your using COAX or Otical out you will only get 2CH output.


I have the 2910 hooked up both way's.

DeKeSé:

Yes, the player really is amazing. Not only that, it is an unbeleivable Audio player as well. I was blown away by the audio quality, which I did not expect.

Indeed, a kind soul sent me the update, and even sent me the international update (region free) but earlier version. I thank him again. I have yet to install it though, just did not have time up to now.

Thank you for your tip as well.

JM

Hi AccuView. My great room gets little direct sunlight, and I do my night time viewng, especially movies in a dark, overhead lights dimmed setting, so this may not help you. I am setting my 2910 to "Standard", no picture adjustments so the HDMI is passing whats on the disc. IRE to 7.5 and normal, HDMI set to YCbCr. on the Pio DVD input I have contrast at -2, brightness at -7, color at -2 and tint at -9. MPEG NR on, DNR low, color temp mid, all this using the "user" setting. I find that tint at -9 approximates the hue at +1 setting that many were using on the 2910 to aleviate the green push, but it doesn't go quite that far and colors and faces look natural to me. I haven't got Avia or DVE yet, but the brightness and contrast were set using the THX white box and two black bars that come on a THX dvd for setup. Remember, I view in a dark room. My STB is the Sammy 360, my settings for it are -2 for contrast, -5 on brightness, -8 or 9 on color and -7 on tint. Some mornings at 8:00 HDNet runs color bars and test patterns for 10 minutes. MY STB settings were done with this while switching back and forth to the color bars on the THX demo for comparison. Oh, BTW I keep sharpness at the factory default of "0" for DVD and the STB. On a really good DVD transfer the pic is close to HD quality, looks nearly as good as HBO and Showtime HD, only Discovery HD and HDNet beat it. These Pios have great color, however I feel I get a more natural pic with good color saturation using the reduced color settings, YMMV.
Oh, I tried upscaling on the 2910 at 720 and 1080 and settled on outputting 480P. I couldn't see a difference at either and decided to let the 2910 do the de-interlacing (Faroudja DCDI) and let the PIO do the scaling to native resolution, one less scale in the stream.

John

Sorry if this has been posted in this thread already but I didn't want to sift through 55 pages. I recently got a 2910 and I went to the Denon site to get the firmware update but it's saying my serial number is invalid. Is this because I bought a refurb?

No. I had the same problem with a player that I pourchased. I called Denon and they shipped me the firmware. Now my serial number works online. I'm not sure what changed.

I just got my 2910 and after upgrading the firmware to -8 it now always freezes while playing all DVD's. Anyone heard of this happening before ?

Where did you firmware version 8? Isn't that the current version for 3910s?

Originally posted by clrv
This question is going to make me fell stupid after someone answers it but I am having brain lock. I am just now using my 2910 for SACD and DVDA. DVDA works and sounds great but on the SACD I can only get it to play on 2 channels(front). The SACD is multi channel and on the display is shows all the channels active. I have it going into a Yammy 2400 and all channels are hooked up to the receiver and the receiver is set to multi in. So everything should work fine, I would think.

Thanks in advance, Cliff


Anyone have any ideals???

Does anyone know what is the latest region free firmware? I currently have -2 and notice some Y/C Delay issue. I got my hand on a -4 region free firmare. Does that fix the Y/C Delay problem? Thanks!!

clrv,

Have you switched your reciever to "External Decoder" ? The processing for SACD must be done within the DVD Player.

Yes on the Yammy you have to change it to multi in.

I just thought I would post my impressions of this player here in the Denon 2910 thread in hopes it might help someone else out that may be contemplating this combo.

Well, another piece of gear arrived today for my soon to be completed home theater. A Denon 2910 DVD player.
I had been feeding my new Panasonic S-video through a nine year old Toshiba 3006 DVD player.
In its day, the 3006 was a decent player, but like anything else in electronics that is more than a few years old... it just does not compare with the technology of today.
I am feeding the panny HDMI/HDMI through a 30' RAM cable. Let me just say, for those that are wondering about longer cable lengths and any affects a longer length may have on video performance. The combo is performing flawlessly.
I have now logged more than five hours on the panny, just playing with the different menu functions of the AE-700... initially feeding the panny an interlaced signal through the Toshiba 3006 and now, up-scaling through the Denon 2910 DVD player.
I will say, that right away I could notice an improved difference going from the 3006 to the 2910. Everything was more crisp. Details were much more noticeable and video noise has been greatly reduced.
In fact, the 2910 improved the image so much, that it seems like it eliminated the smooth screen technology in the panny. If I focus the AE-700 in as sharp as I can get it, I can see screen door from 10 or 12 feet away, and before the 2910, there was no screen door. All, I do is just give the panny a slight defocus and the screen door is again gone. I am ecstatic over this, because before the 2910, I think the image on the AE-700 was a bit overly defocused. Not much, but enough to be annoying at times. Now... I control the slight defocus and how much it gets. I have seen a thread wondering if there is a way to turn off the smooth screen technology on the AE-700. Well, this maybe one way to do it.
Over-all, colors were better through the 2910 right out of the box as I have yet to make any adjustments to either machine. Colors were more natural... more crisp. Details were definitely more defined. Contrast was probably the least improved of anything. While, I think there was some slight noticeable improvement in black level... a non audio/videophile would not even notice a difference. The biggest thing in the area of contrast that was removed was video noise in darker scenes. While, there was not much before, artifacts are almost gone now.
Just for fun, I blew the image up to about 12 feet wide. Once I re-focused... the image was as good as it was at 104 inches wide.
One telling factor of the amount of improvement to the image was from my wife. Even she commented on the improvement the new Denon brought to the image. I might add that it takes quite a bit for her to notice any improvements.

I have just tapped the surface of what these two units are capable of as there are several adjustments that can be made to the picture through the 2910 as well, so I will be tweaking the two for some time once my theater is complete.
Let me just say... as good as the scaler in the AE-700 seemed to be, I can tell you, the scaler in the 2910 is much... much better and worth every penny.

Craig

Help! I know it is here somewhere and I have searched but can't find it. Can someone tell me or link to the post that gives instructions on how to tell which software version the 2910 is running. Thanks!

John

Nevermind,found it. I am running version -4. QUESTION: I ordered version -7 from the Denon site today. I have read some horror stories here on the results. What do you guys recommend, install it or not? Have most of you had good results with version -7?

John

I have not, as of yet, had any problems with the -7 release (once properly recalibrated that is). It resolved the issue I had with the 2910 switching to "Enhanced" mode when moving between resolutions.

Mark

I agree, I loaded v7 and my 2910 is working fine.

Time2Ride

Can anyone positively comment that the -7 firmware improved anything?
Not breaking anything is certainly a positive, but if it aint broken...well you know what I mean...

-7 made picture less grainy, better imho, and also sound through hdmi.

it took away my region free firmware though.

zoro, less grainy, but was the picture still as sharp?

John

I agree, it appears to be less grainy. The image is not any more or less "sharp/soft" than it was before.

Mark

Originally posted by zoro
-7 made picture less grainy, better imho, and also sound through hdmi.

it took away my region free firmware though.


WOW, region free function is gone, n that is a major to me. That's why I rather gave up those subtle upgrade firmware n not running the risk of missing on some disc.

You know, I liked it better! So what I decided keep -7 for all NTSC R1 and change back to -4 occasionaly for region free!

Just loaded up version -7 and, I must say that I like the picture better. Agree with the less grainy picture, smoother and more HD like. Did have an encounter with the disk popping out unintentionally and by it self at first (Bourne Supremacy). But after watching a bit of Chronicles of Riddick and going back to Supremecy, the problem mysteriously went away (at least I coudn't re-create it). In any case, I am watching Gangs of New York at the moment and thoroughly enjoying the PQ. Aside from the initial disk eject issue and after partially watching 3 DVDs I would initially recommend the upgrage to -7. I'll report back if I encounter any more issues.

Originally posted by ac388
WOW, region free function is gone, n that is a major to me. That's why I rather gave up those subtle upgrade firmware n not running the risk of missing on some disc.

???
If you are in Hong Kong you just contact Denon and you get the region free version -7 - you are entitled to it.

pls get -7 region free and send us all..thnx

Originally posted by HumanMedia
???
If you are in Hong Kong you just contact Denon and you get the region free version -7 - you are entitled to it.

Even I quoted you guys info to Denon HK, they still said no firmware upgrade now n even in the future.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

I cant find -7 anywhere. I tried entering my serial number on denon's site, and they said no updates available.

I e-mailed Denon.

Anyone out there willing to e-mail me a copy of -7? :)


Paul Fries
paul@cwie.net

New 2910 problem:

Ok, I bought my 2910 in December and had been completely satisfied until yesterday.
Now, it seems the player likes to at random go back to Chapter 1. It does this at random times. It first appeared last night during King Arthur and then it did it again today with Return of the Jedi. It also did it today with an SACD, so it's not just a DVD thing.
The symtom is the equivelant of hitting "1" on the remote.
It doesn't seem to be a heat thing because I'm well ventilated and it does it whether it's been on 10 minutes or 3 hours.
I'm thinking I should get the ver 7 firmware and hope that fixes it. (I'm currently on 5.

Has anyone seen this?

Are you sure it's not a sticky button on the remote.
Start a movie and remove the batteries in the remote.

I've had remotes living their own life somtimes just suddenly sending out ir-signals when not even touched.

Originally posted by ac388
Even I quoted you guys info to Denon HK, they still said no firmware upgrade now n even in the future.

:mad: :mad: :mad:


I feel for you. That is truly bad. I thought having to schedule weeks in advance time to take it in the the service centre was bad enough. Not providing it at all is criminal.

If anyone has International V-7 (its only 1.2MB) please share it privately with us. Denon are making it increasingly hard for international users to fix Denons problems and get the player to the state it should have been out of the box.

Thanks for speaking out for us. It seems Denon in Asia don't care much about their after-sales service, unless the piece is broken. I hope with the help of this forum n guys like you, Denon will seriously look into this matter, and serve us the same way as you folks in U.S..

I have a question which may or may not have been answered in this thread, but a quick skim didn't find it. I just got a 2910, a refurb unit from ubid, seems to work fine. My issue is with the colors. I have a Panny 42PWD7UY plasma and am hooked up with component. The colors look washed out, not vibrant. It is a general thing, not limited to one color. It may be a black level issue. I once had a player where you could choose whether the player sent IRE 0 or 7.5 for black. What I am seeing with the 2910 looks similar to when that other player was set at 7.5 instead of 0. I can't find where this can be set with this player. I have messed with every setting I can find but no real improvement. Could it be a firmware issue? How do I find out what version I have? I have seen in reviews where this washed-out look is mentioned, but can find no solution. I have had 6 or 7 different players hooked up to this plasma of all different makes, and this is the first one to look this bad. However, I think it is a 2910 problem because I had borrowed a brand new unit for a day from a friend and it did the same thing. I figured it was just an adjustment issue, given the oodles of settings this thing has, but now I'm stumped. I hate to be stuck with a player that quite honestly has a picture that is inferior to a $50 Panny player I recently got rid of. Any suggestions?

What I am seeing with the 2910 looks similar to when that other player was set at 7.5 instead of 0. I can't find where this can be set with this player.

To adjust the IRE, go to the Picture Adjust - Set menu.

See page 47 in the manual.

Good luck!

I just bought one last night and noticed the same thing with a washed-out look. However, The Perfect Vision just did a review on this player and said you would have to spend $3,000 to get a player that was noticeably better than the 2910, so I knew it could look better.

Using AviaPro, I set the black level at 7.5 IRE (the normal setting), which is recommended by Kris Deering at http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=121#DenonDVD-2910%20

I had to adjust the brightness on my Samsung DLP way down and crank up the chroma (color) on the DVD player a lot to get it right per the various test patterns.

Once set, at 720p over a DVI connection, I found the image to be smooth and film-like with lots of picture and shadow detail.

See if you can get DVE or AVIA and tweak the settings before making a final judgment.

Aha! Thanks Bucky. I just found it in the manual right where you said. According to this, the default is 7.5. Based on what I have seen from other players, my plasma definitely wants IRE 0 in order to look good. I will try it first thing when I get home and will let you know how it looks. It figures, the one menu option I hadn't looked at...

Kevin - What kind of display do you have? you may want to try setting your player to 0 as well just to see and let me know how it looks.

Thanks !!

Yes! That was the solution, set the IRE to 0 instead of 7.5

Kevin, you may want to try this. I had originally made the same adjustments you did to get a half-way decent picture on my plasma. From what I have seen, plasma units want an IRE of 0. I think DLP units do as well. Why Denon sets the default to 7.5 (which is wrong for these untis) and then hides this most crucial adjustment on an obscure menu (as opposed to the main video menu, which other players do) is beyond me. In any case, the 2910 just went from being a piece of junk to being my favorite player.

Thanks again to Bucky for pointing me to the right place!

Originally posted by SillyWizard
Yes! That was the solution, set the IRE to 0 instead of 7.5

Kevin, you may want to try this. I had originally made the same adjustments you did to get a half-way decent picture on my plasma. From what I have seen, plasma units want an IRE of 0. I think DLP units do as well. Why Denon sets the default to 7.5 (which is wrong for these untis) and then hides this most crucial adjustment on an obscure menu (as opposed to the main video menu, which other players do) is beyond me. In any case, the 2910 just went from being a piece of junk to being my favorite player.

Thanks again to Bucky for pointing me to the right place!



I posted a while back I had used both the IRE 0 or the enhanced blacks setting on my pioneer plasma.

To my eye the enhanched black setting seemed better but I didn't compare over days on different material.

Has anyone actual found the correct technical answer here: 0 IRE vs Enhanced black.

BTW, I agree, burying these settings in the secondary menu was a real blunder in my opionion, but it seems its where Denon has always placed these controls based on the other models I own.

To be honest I prefer my denon 3800 for an awful lot of material, it even gets a better picture than the vaunted 2900 to my eye.

Doesn't the IRE setting only effect the analog component out, while the normal/enhanced setting is for the digital DVI/HDMI outs only? I can't imagine it working differently than I described...

Hi, all, I'm a new 2910 owner. I purchased mine locally about 10 days ago, after auditioning the Yamaha C750/C6770 changer. That was a great audio player--actually nearly as good as the 2910, but in my auditioning I ended up considering the video as well as I wanted one player in the rack instead of two. My unit was built in December and came with the -5 firmware. Thanks to this thread, I upgraded almost immediately after purchase to the -7 firmware. I notice no difference in video or audio with this.

I don't have a fancy large DLP, other RPTV, projector, or plasma--I have a lowly, almost 3-year-old Samsung TXM3096WHF 30" widescreen HDTV with no DVI or HDMI inputs. This means I get only a 480p picture when I watch DVDs via component, and (I hope) don't have to worry about the macroblocking I keep reading about here in those who are using the upscaling device in the player. A few other comments that I wonder whether people can comment on:

General: Compared to what I've been using, this thing is built like a tank. I've also seen, heard, and held the 2910's more expensive sibling, the 3910, and notice that this build heft (and hopefully, quality), is apparent across the line. Menus are pretty intuitive, much easier to use than the Yamaha C750/C6770, and better than the JVC XV-SA602SL player I upgraded from.

PQ. The video, even through component, seems much sharper than the cheap DVD players I'm accustomed to. I'm assuming this is because of better digital to analog conversion in the player itself because of the separate video system in the player. How much benefit in PQ would I get from upgrading my display to one with DVI or HDMI? I also keep reading about adjusting the PQ from the player using DVE or Avia, is there as much benefit to doing this if I'm just using component video? I know most of you are using digital connections (I've read the entire thread), is there anyone out there still using component?..... I am bothered that the only way to watch 4:3 DVD material in its native format is to manually select "squeeze mode". With the JVC, the player automatically output 4:3 material in 4:3 with pillar boxing on my Sammy, and 16:9/other widescreen stuff as intended. The Sammy won't adjust the screen size if the DVD is being used. For the PQ, I can get used to that, I guess.

Sound quality: I listen with all speakers set to "small" in the player, "Bass booster" on, and with the "SW +10" setting on. Through my Rockets, the sound quality whether I play DVD-A, SACD, or CD seems superb to me. I am satisfied with the bass management for multichannel music as what limitations there are with this player are far better than what I'm coming from. The innate "brightness" of my Yamaha RX-V1400 receiver with music is less noticeable for some reason. Could be imaginary. I have listened to 2-channel music with both the "Direct Source" through optical/digital connection, and through the 2-channel analog CD outputs and the sound quality is about the same to me. I listen through the analog outputs simply so I can select the "CD" setting on the receiver.

A couple of questions, though: why would anyone turn the LPCM on? The manual talks about it needing to be on for certain copy-protected audio sources, otherwise no sound is output. Huh? Can someone translate from "manualese"? And why is there an SACD filter to 100 Hz? And how do you know your receiver is "compatible" with this? I don't understand these settings, so I left them at factory defaults.

Overall, I was nervous about spending this much on a DVD player with the new HD-DVDs coming in the next year or so, and with the fact I plan to continue to use my component-connected HDTV for a while, but this appears to be an appropriate use of the term "you get what you pay for". Now that I've experienced some of the (especially audio) tweaks that are not available on many lower-priced machines, I don't think I can go back easily. In addition, if I upgrade my display (no plans to do so yet), at least I have the digital outputs I can use. I'm planning on keeping the machine so far.

For a cogent explanation of why setting your DVD player to 0 IRE or "enhanced mode" may not be the best (because it could result in losing detail in darker images), and why the use of the term "IRE" is really a misnomer when discussing DVD black levels, see this link.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4969789#post4969789

This is a complex issues that confuses even the experts, but Chris Wiggles does a very good job explaining how to go about chosing the best "black" setting.

Hi,

I'm seriously considering getting one of these (in silver) in any event, I have two easy questions I beleive..

1) What brand of HDMI cable are you using ?
2) Where do I go to get the firmware upgrades (US-Region 1)


Thanks...

Ok, went out and got the 2910 (at HiFibuys aka Tweeter).

Two easy questions, I went to the denon site to get the latest upgrade but the site says no upgrade needed.. I'm doubting seriously I have the latest firmware. Could someone send it to me and let me know how to upgrade ?

Second, I bought the monster HDMI cable.. I have the HLP 5063, which has both an HDMI and DVI jack.. Any difference in the jacks ?

Thanks

I can't help you with the first question but the second question is answered by Kris Deering at Home Theater Secrets (see http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=121#DenonDVD-2910%20 )

"Denon is the only manufacturer on the market right now that is including both DVI and HDMI on one player. This is a huge plus, since the RGB conversion most HDMI players do when you connect them to a DVI based monitor is getting screwed up. Essentially they are converting to PC RGB levels and not the intended Studio RGB levels which allow for dynamic range in the blacks and whites that PC levels don’t allow."

The long and short of it is that if your display device only has a DVI input, then you should use the Denon's DVI output. If your display device has HDMI, then you should be fine using the HDMI output. Both DVI and HDMI are digital RGB, so one is not better than the other as far as picture quality goes -- it is just a question if the conversion from an HDMI player to a DVI display device is done correctly.

I would like to put out some firms....

....but I can't do it...

...before I've got.....

....5 post in this forum.

Here we go!

Just put out the 2 firms I've gotten my hands on.
They both also include alle the burning and upgrade instructions.

Right click: "Save target as"

Firmware version -7 downloaded from Denon USA:
http://home.broadpark.no/~estep/Firm-7-USA.zip

Firmware version -4 region free:
http://home.broadpark.no/~estep/Firm-4-region-free.zip


So if anyone could return the favour I'd very much like a region free firm of version -5 or newer if you ever should stumble over one.

Thank you very very much..

I'm not sure why Denon's site keeps coming back as no upgrade needed.
I guess I'll have to call them on Monday.

Thanks again.

Raven,

Have you looked through the thread to find the button sequence to display your current firmware? It could be that Denon knows from you serial number that you are already running the -7 firmware and don't need an update at this time.

Ira

Hey guys, I ordered firmware from Denon last weekend on the website, version 7. How long do they typically take to deliver this?

John

Just bumping to have this part of my post above answered:

A couple of questions, though: why would anyone turn the LPCM on? The manual talks about it needing to be on for certain copy-protected audio sources, otherwise no sound is output. Huh? Can someone translate from "manualese"? And why is there an SACD filter to 100 Hz? And how do you know your receiver is "compatible" with this? I don't understand these settings, so I left them at factory defaults.

Yep,

Got the sequence.. I had the -5 version.. :( From reading the forum it sounds like I'm not the only one with the problem. I may have missed it in the info somewhere but I can't find a place to register my dvd player on Denon's website. In any event, found the -7 firmware, uploaded it, and now my player is a -7 player




Originally posted by iblumberg
Raven,

Have you looked through the thread to find the button sequence to display your current firmware? It could be that Denon knows from you serial number that you are already running the -7 firmware and don't need an update at this time.

Ira

.

Just an fyi to the member as I saw one or two posts about it.

The -7 firmware absolutely does NOT fix the graininess/harshness aspect of the image. Now depending on your type of display you may no even see it, or the -7 firmware might possibly lessen it for you as some displays are softer with the image than others.

My Denon 2910 looks so rough compared to my Denon 3800 on my pioneer plasma, that the 2910 actually looks harsh and grainy.

Originally posted by ZZtop
Just an fyi to the member as I saw one or two posts about it.

The -7 firmware absolutely does NOT fix the graininess/harshness aspect of the image. Now depending on your type of display you may no even see it, or the -7 firmware might possibly lessen it for you as some displays are softer with the image than others.

My Denon 2910 looks so rough compared to my Denon 3800 on my pioneer plasma, that the 2910 actually looks harsh and grainy.

The 2910 is just more revealing of bad transfers than the 3800.:rolleyes:

Does anyone run a Denon 2910 to a Sony XS LCD RPTV? I'm planning to play around with AVIA and DVE this week (have been meaning to for weeks but been too busy), and was wondering what settings people generally use.

I'm running my Denon 2910 via HDMI to my 55XS, and just installed the -7 firmware upgrade. It sounds like people are recommending using the power save mode and Pro setting, and Auto 2 settings on the Denon? From there, are there any other tweaks I should consider? Something about IRE to 0 instead of 7.5?

I apologize for asking the question, but I'm just very new to all this, and despite reading lots of posts here for the past 3 months, I still don't have my hands around concepts like interlacing, RGB, chroma, BTB, etc. etc.

Thanks very much in advance.

Originally posted by Auditor55
The 2910 is just more revealing of bad transfers than the 3800.:rolleyes:

While that may be the case, the image has a harsh quality too it compared to other players, many people have posted about this.

I have seen it even on very recent dvds issued, for some reason it makes the image rough looking.

Again, some types of displays won't show this as much, just like the macroblocking. For some the mb is still there to the point it bothers them, for some , with the recent firmware update the mb is lessened to the point they see it but it does not bother them. The macroblocking is though to be an inherent issue with the 2310 Faroujda chipset as all the other model players with the 2310 seem to have it.

hi gang, just an update ; I have already posted on the great reviews the 2910 has recieved from current issues of " absolute sound"( editors choice), feb/march issue and best value award from "what hifi?" feb issue. The 2910 is also an editors choice in the march/april issue of " the perfect vision" magazine. All the critics seem to agree you'd have to spend a whole lot more to see any noticeable improvement in audio or video. I have owned my 2910 for about 3 months and am still enjoying it immensely...i'm sure most of you feel the same....ENJOY!!!

Originally posted by ZZtop
I posted a while back I had used both the IRE 0 or the enhanced blacks setting on my pioneer plasma.

To my eye the enhanched black setting seemed better but I didn't compare over days on different material.

Has anyone actual found the correct technical answer here: 0 IRE vs Enhanced black.

BTW, I agree, burying these settings in the secondary menu was a real blunder in my opionion, but it seems its where Denon has always placed these controls based on the other models I own.

To be honest I prefer my denon 3800 for an awful lot of material, it even gets a better picture than the vaunted 2900 to my eye.


Wow, I set the IRE to 0 on my 2910, which is hooked up to a 55XS via HDMI, and despite not being a videophile, noticed a big difference. Thanks everyone for recommending this tweak.

Originally posted by Turd Burglar
Wow, I set the IRE to 0 on my 2910, which is hooked up to a 55XS via HDMI, and despite not being a videophile, noticed a big difference. Thanks everyone for recommending this tweak.

When you set IRE 0 or 7.5, you should re-calibrate the black level via DVE. Only then can you get a meaningful comparison between the two.

Originally posted by neuronbob
A couple of questions, though: why would anyone turn the LPCM on? The manual talks about it needing to be on for certain copy-protected audio sources, otherwise no sound is output. Huh? Can someone translate from "manualese"?

Yesterday I was browsing through my local store.
On the back of "Seal Videos 1991-2004" it stated.

"Linear PCM"

I recon that's a dvd you would need to turn on LPCM to benefit from that track.

As of today 2910 firmware International Version -8 now available in Australia.

Maybe international numbering is still ahead of equivalent functionality of US versions...

BTW - I dont have a copy, I am just taking my unit in to be upgraded. If anyone else has it as a file, I would love a copy...

I confirm that also in Europe is out a new version -8. The version -8 is not a -7 version for Europe but a new one.

Piero

Originally posted by blackhole
I confirm that also in Europe is out a new version -8. The version -8 is not a -7 version for Europe but a new one.

Piero

Could you provide a link for download or email it to me?

trykkertor(at)gmail.com

Since I have bought the Denon 2910 in Germany but I am resident in Italy the Italian distributor don't want to give me a copy!!

Sorry...

I think that in a few days this firmware can be found at
http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

Piero

Is this region free?

I don't think so.

Anyone else have problems playing the avia disk on the 2910? It works on every other player in my house, but on the 2910, it freezes up constantly.

-Paul

Avia works flawlessly for us

Wierd. It must be my copy then. Maybe Ill try duping it and see if that works. It is totally unplayable on my 2910. I have to go pull out one of my cheapy DVDs and hook it up to the set in order to get it to play.

No problems with any other disks that I have tried thus far though.

-Paul

I was at my local dealer yesterday looking to audition the 2910. He gave me the 955, saying it's the same as the 2910. Now the manual cover states the same, but online there seems to be atleast a $100 between the 955 and the 2910. Does anyone know why? My local dealer was giving me either a black 2910 or a silver 955 for the same price??

Secondly, the tray seems to work very slow. I press the open button and a second later it opens. When I press the close button, a second later it SHUDDERS close! Thirdly, compared to the button quality of my 2805 receiver, the buttons on the 955 seem "rubbery" and cheap. I have not tested anything else yet (because I got the player home late last night) but just these two things want to make me return a $600 DVD player. It just doesn't feel quality like my 2805 receiver.

Can the Denon 2910/955s play dvd+r recorded disk.

I don't know but I returned my black 2910 for a silver 955..

It better be the same thing!!

Also, hopefully, the firmware updates for the 2910 will also work for the 955..

I to am wondering why its a little less than the 2910,

Originally posted by Raven_King
I don't know but I returned my black 2910 for a silver 955..

It better be the same thing!!

Also, hopefully, the firmware updates for the 2910 will also work for the 955..

I to am wondering why its a little less than the 2910, I was told by a dealer that the Denon 955S was the exact same thing as the Denon 2910 in black or silver and yes it was about $20 cheaper...actually I was interested in the 955S myself...just want to make sure it will play recorded DVD+R disks. Why are you returning your black unit...was it troublesome.

Originally posted by jwv651
just want to make sure it will play recorded DVD+R disks.

Denon's have been known to be picky, but I've yet to enounter any problems with the 15 or so DVD-R's I've used in my 2910....

Originally posted by nmo
I was at my local dealer yesterday looking to audition the 2910. He gave me the 955, saying it's the same as the 2910. Now the manual cover states the same, but online there seems to be atleast a $100 between the 955 and the 2910. Does anyone know why? My local dealer was giving me either a black 2910 or a silver 955 for the same price??

Secondly, the tray seems to work very slow. I press the open button and a second later it opens. When I press the close button, a second later it SHUDDERS close! Thirdly, compared to the button quality of my 2805 receiver, the buttons on the 955 seem "rubbery" and cheap. I have not tested anything else yet (because I got the player home late last night) but just these two things want to make me return a $600 DVD player. It just doesn't feel quality like my 2805 receiver.



Well I guess if your busy schedule doesn't afford you the 2 seconds to open and close your player then I guess you should look at a turbo tray model made by APEX :)
I also have the 2805 paired with a 2910 and build quality is far superior to any other DVD player I've owned. They're a match made in heaven in my opinion for build quality and performance. As for the 955 I've yet to see one so I don't know what differences there might be. If they have a 2910 elsewhere or there check them both out and let us know if there is indeed a difference !!!!

Thanks for your answer. I've never noticed the particular format of DVD sound in that manner. Most of what I'm interested in doesn't use that format.

Originally posted by tor ove
Yesterday I was browsing through my local store.
On the back of "Seal Videos 1991-2004" it stated.

"Linear PCM"

I recon that's a dvd you would need to turn on LPCM to benefit from that track.

Originally posted by jwv651
Can the Denon 2910/955s play dvd+r recorded disk.
My 2910 has no problem with DVD+R discs.

Originally posted by pimpcasso
hi gang, just an update ; I have already posted on the great reviews the 2910 has recieved from current issues of " absolute sound"( editors choice), feb/march issue and best value award from "what hifi?" feb issue. The 2910 is also an editors choice in the march/april issue of " the perfect vision" magazine. All the critics seem to agree you'd have to spend a whole lot more to see any noticeable improvement in audio or video. I have owned my 2910 for about 3 months and am still enjoying it immensely...i'm sure most of you feel the same....ENJOY!!!

I don't give a rat's ass what the reviewers have to say. This player has significant macroblocking on a large variety of displays. A $600 dollar player with the Denon name should not be displaying this defect, period. I guess Denon figures that those of us affected will just go out and buy one of their newer players that don't display this macroblocking problem. I, for one, will simply deal with it until the HD-DVD players arrive and the slow migration to that format begins. The Denon name will simply not be a consideration when that time comes.

Originally posted by Gooddoc
I don't give a rat's ass what the reviewers have to say. This player has significant macroblocking on a large variety of displays. A $600 dollar player with the Denon name should not be displaying this defect, period. I guess Denon figures that those of us affected will just go out and buy one of their newer players that don't display this macroblocking problem. I, for one, will simply deal with it until the HD-DVD players arrive and the slow migration to that format begins. The Denon name will simply not be a consideration when that time comes.

Would it be ok if it was $200 or lower then? Because *any* DVD player with the Faroudja FLI23XX chip in it has the same issue, not just the $600 Denon. And that chip is used in plenty of brands, so I'd stay away from all of those too. So at what price point is that defect acceptable and thus relieves Denon of your scorn? The $250 Denon 1910? Is that one at a price that it's ok to have the issue?

When the FLI23XX chip is no longer used by Denon, will you consider their product again, provided their new solution doesn't have issues? And are the other brands that use the same chip also not going to be considered by you? I hope you're posting the same thing in all their threads too.

The bottom line, though: Do you see MB on *your* display? If not, be happy. If so, I'm sure you can get some of your money back by putting your player up for sale on Videogon or ebay, and invest in a good Pioneer.

Rick

Originally posted by ender21
Would it be ok if it was $200 or lower then? Because *any* DVD player with the Faroudja FLI23XX chip in it has the same issue, not just the $600 Denon. And that chip is used in plenty of brands, so I'd stay away from all of those too. So at what price point is that defect acceptable and thus relieves Denon of your scorn? The $250 Denon 1910? Is that one at a price that it's ok to have the issue?

When the FLI23XX chip is no longer used by Denon, will you consider their product again, provided their new solution doesn't have issues? And are the other brands that use the same chip also not going to be considered by you? I hope you're posting the same thing in all their threads too.

The bottom line, though: Do you see MB on *your* display? If not, be happy. If so, I'm sure you can get some of your money back by putting your player up for sale on Videogon or ebay, and invest in a good Pioneer.

Rick

Can anybody tell me if the 2910 passes btb?

I have been posting regularly that the macroblocking problem is not completely fixed on the 2910. They seem to have all but fixed it on the 3910, I wonder how they did it on that model.

The last firmware fix did help.

I have also posted all along, my 2 year Bravo D1 for like 200$ or so doesn't have any of the Denon issues, the macroblocking or the image harshness. Now I having said that, I am aware people had problems with the Bravo D1, but the D2 has been for sale at the wholesale clubs for as little as 199$, which is alot less than the 699+ tax I paid for my 2910.

I like the 2910, but to be honest, I gained nothing by purchasing it. The player I probably like the absolute most for the highest image quality is the Denon 3800 with all the fixes/updates, even beats out the 2900.

I suspect Denon just got nailed by the same Faroujda 2310 chip issues most everyone else did.

Probably the top of the line models like the 3910 have enough extra chip processing and software space available to run additional filtering on the macroblocking to lessen it.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Can anybody tell me if the 2910 passes btb?

It does for non-digital output with firmware -6 or later, and over DVI with firmware -7 or later.

The only time I personally, on my setup, have noticed any macroblocking was when the display/player wasnt calibrated properly, and the range of black which isnt normally seen (and where MPEG normally tucks in its compression in) was pushed up into the visible range. Note that the same macroblocking is visible on my Pioneer when I push the black levels up to be overbright.

My own take on all this is that macroblocking is always there in the compression of certain DVDs but there are black level issues with these players (related to the Farouja?) that are only being addressed with newer firmware (-7 and -8).

But then I am not one of the people who has seen macroblocking on high average picture level content...

Originally posted by Steve_Lazarus
Well I guess if your busy schedule doesn't afford you the 2 seconds to open and close your player then I guess you should look at a turbo tray model made by APEX :)
I also have the 2805 paired with a 2910 and build quality is far superior to any other DVD player I've owned. They're a match made in heaven in my opinion for build quality and performance. As for the 955 I've yet to see one so I don't know what differences there might be. If they have a 2910 elsewhere or there check them both out and let us know if there is indeed a difference !!!!

What players have you owned?

I have the -4 firmware and need to have the latest region free firmware. Denon here in HK is not helping. Can anyone help out there? Why is this such a secret ?Thanks.

Originally posted by Auditor55
Can anybody tell me if the 2910 passes btb?

I'm seeing BTB passed over HDMI and component with firmware -5 (and -2 before that).

Originally posted by ender21
Would it be ok if it was $200 or lower then?

No. I would not purchase a player at any price point if I was aware in advance there was a glaring problem with the picture quality.

Originally posted by ender21
Because *any* DVD player with the Faroudja FLI23XX chip in it has the same issue, not just the $600 Denon. And that chip is used in plenty of brands, so I'd stay away from all of those too.

I will. BTW, I'm aware of "the other" brands. And yes, I will avoid them.[/B][/QUOTE]


Originally posted by ender21
So at what price point is that defect acceptable and thus relieves Denon of your scorn? The $250 Denon 1910? Is that one at a price that it's ok to have the issue?

No. Denon presents themselves as a high-end manufacturer catering to audio/videophiles. The issue for me is not price point. It is quality control.

Originally posted by ender21
When the FLI23XX chip is no longer used by Denon, will you consider their product again, provided their new solution doesn't have issues?

No. For some time at least. I will certainly never be an "early adopter" of Denon equipment again. If, however, a nice Denon product shows itself to be worthy, I would consider it in the future(Many years, likely). But I will not consider Denon again for quite some time out of principle alone.

Originally posted by ender21
And are the other brands that use the same chip also not going to be considered by you?

Possibly no, possibly yes. The other companies haven't directly left me hanging with a defective product. Denon has. See the difference?

Originally posted by ender21
I hope you're posting the same thing in all their threads too.

?

Originally posted by ender21
The bottom line, though: Do you see MB on *your* display?

Yes. Often.

Originally posted by ender21
If not, be happy.

If yes, be sad?

Originally posted by ender21
If so, I'm sure you can get some of your money back by putting your player up for sale on Videogon or ebay, and invest in a good Pioneer.

I might do that, but I doubt I'll go through the trouble. I find it funny that people want to absolve Denon of fault because they used the "FLI23XX chip". The fact is they use many parts from many companies, but they put "Denon" on the front. I didn't buy a "FLI23XX chip", I bought a "Denon" DVD player. Any defects with that player are Denon's problems, no one elses. If the tray stopped working I wouldn't say, "It's the "XYZ tray motor" company problem, nothin' much Denon can do about that!" or "The "XYZ connectors" on the back are cheap and make for loose connections, it's that ****** "XYZ connector" company again. In fact, even the $200.00 players use the "XYZ connectors" and they have the same exact problem. Nothin' much Denon can do about that!"
The fact is, Denon used an inferior chip in a product aimed at video enthusiasts. I don't know why they did, but they did. If Denon wants more of my business, they will have to take my 2910 back and fix it. It's called standing behind your product. Short of that, I'll take my wallet and the money in it and I'll give it to someone else. That my friend is Capitalism at its finest.

Originally posted by bruce73
I'm seeing BTB passed over HDMI and component with firmware -5 (and -2 before that).

Yes it does pass btb, with the firmware fixes and properly calibrated with avia. At least it does on my pioneer 503 plasma(2 year old model) as near as I can tell.

It does require that my 2910 use the enhanced IRE black setting, though some people use IRE of 0.

Originally posted by ZZtop
Yes it does pass btb, with the firmware fixes and properly calibrated with avia. At least it does on my pioneer plasma as near as I can tell.

It does require that my 2910 use the enhanced IRE black setting, though some people use IRE of 0.

I should have mentioned that my 2910 is set at NORMAL/7.5 and it's going to a Samsung 5063, calibrated with DVE.

My 2910 (firmware -4) DOES pass BTB via Component. I have not tried via HDMI.

Set at Normal and 7.5

I also tried Enhanced and 0 and it still passed BTB.

I also do not see any macroblocking. Maybe I just don't know what to look for.

I have a Pioneer Plasma 4340.

I have a 2910 via HDMI on my Samsung 4674. I do have Avia and have run through the calibration but I keep reading about this Blacker then Black but I don't know how to identify that my setup is doing this?

Could someone tell me how to identify if I'm passing BTB and if there is a test or something to look for on the Avia CD that can confirm BTB?

thanks.

You can usually test this on the Brightness/Black Level Adjustment section of your calibration DVD.

The Brightness screen test usually has a BLACK background with 2 verticle Black bars on the left. The right side of the screen usually has a white box then light gray, then darker gray, etc.

What you want to look for is: Make sure BOTH Vertical Black bars on the left are showing. If you can see both bars, then your DVD Player/display passes BTB. You want to adjust your Brightness and Contrast so the Left Black bar JUST blends in with the BLACK background.

later

Actually, that's not correct. Consumer Avia's black bars are encoded above black. You must use DVE's PLUGE patterns, or Avia PRO. The bars in Avia should be visible, they are above-black shadow detail. If the bars are not visible, you are clipping values above black, which is not good. See my signature for more reading.

Sorry. I don't have Avia. I was going off of my DVE calibration disc.

That thread in your signature was an amazing read Chris, very good information on BTB and the IRE. It was well written that I digested everything without having to go back and reread any parts! kudo's. I ordered a copy of DVE since Avia does not have the right tests and I'll go back to default on everything and start from fresh this weekend.

Thanks!

Originally posted by ChrisWiggles
Actually, that's not correct. Consumer Avia's black bars are encoded above black. You must use DVE's PLUGE patterns, or Avia PRO. The bars in Avia should be visible, they are above-black shadow detail. If the bars are not visible, you are clipping values above black, which is not good. See my signature for more reading.

I have a question that may seem basic to the experts here, but needs to be asked.

I just purchased a Samsung HL-P5063W (50" DLP display) and already have a copy of DVE. Which do I adjust first, the TV or the 2910? I ask only because in order to adjust the TV' PQ, one obviously has to use the DVD player.

Thanks for any cogent answers. The 2910 has firmware -7 and is connected to the Sammy via HDMI set to YCbCr.

I would leave everything set to default on the Denon and get the Sammy right, then tweak the Denon if necessary. I use 7.5 and normal, YCbCr, YMMV.

John

In addition to what antennahead suggests, the only setting changes I've made on the 2910 is to go to Picture Adjustment and create one memory profile with the hue at +1 and another one at +2. This helps when a movie seems too green (e.g. Bourne Supremacy), since you can't adjust the green/red tint with the 5063 set to HDMI.

Bruce is correct. After my firmware upgrade I adjusted the tint on my plasma and now leave my 2910 at the STD. setting, but prior I had to use +1 on the hue.

John

Thank you very much, guys. The TV is tweaked and looks much better. I'm watching my usual test discs now to determine whether I need to make setting changes to the 2910 itself.

Once you are satisfied with the settings using your test discs I would leave the Sammy alone, and as Bruce said, set yourself up an alternative memory setting or two on the Denon, After watching a wide variety of DVDs you may notice some are slightly pushed to the green side. Sometimes this is hard to tell if it was the directors intent (I notice this more on war flicks) or just a bad transfer. When I feel it is intentioal I leave well enough alone. Setting a memory or two on the Denon at +1 and +2 hue will give you a quick fix without messing with the Sammy's settings.

John

I'm not so sure it's just the green push that is a problem with the DVI out on this player. :( The analog progressive component output delivers a much more vivid and correct picture quality in my opinion.

I recently bought a cheap "AVeLINK" network DVD-player which plays literaly everything, and the PQ from its' DVI out feels much more correct than the 2910s'. Much more like the analog component of the 2910, but sharper.
(This player also plays all available HD-formats, like WMV9, HD-DivX/XviD, .TS, MPEG, so it's really a brilliant player for $250:)).

Originally posted by arioch
I'm not so sure it's just the green push that is a problem with the DVI out on this player. :( The analog progressive component output delivers a much more vivid and correct picture quality in my opinion.

I recently bought a cheap "AVeLINK" network DVD-player which plays literaly everything, and the PQ from its' DVI out feels much more correct than the 2910s'. Much more like the analog component of the 2910, but sharper.
(This player also plays all available HD-formats, like WMV9, HD-DivX/XviD, .TS, MPEG, so it's really a brilliant player for $250:)).



This has been written about in the colorspace issues thread, the implementations of HDMI and DVI seem to have some bugs in the chips. Several of us have posted about this, the reason the analog seems sharper to some peoples eyes or other players seem more accurate is that some of the color data actually is missing. The speculation is that its like 3% or so, and it shows up as missing very subtle color shades and tones.

My benchmark is the 2004 restored version of the 1964 classic, The Pink Panther. On my Denon 3800 and my Bravo D1 I can see all these fantastic subtle color tones and subtle shades in the different locales the film is shot. On the 2910 , while the image is sharp, too sharp on my plasma, to the point of being grainy and harsh, those subtle color tones and shades are missing. Its not something you would notice necessarily unless you were very familar with the video material.

I read the color space thread, but its very technical. The bottom line is that there seem to be some issues with the DVI and HDMI chipsets that are still being ironed out.

Originally posted by arioch
I'm not so sure it's just the green push that is a problem with the DVI out on this player. :( The analog progressive component output delivers a much more vivid and correct picture quality in my opinion.

I recently bought a cheap "AVeLINK" network DVD-player which plays literaly everything, and the PQ from its' DVI out feels much more correct than the 2910s'. Much more like the analog component of the 2910, but sharper.
(This player also plays all available HD-formats, like WMV9, HD-DivX/XviD, .TS, MPEG, so it's really a brilliant player for $250:)).

You meant the latest version firmware 8, still did not fix the Green push problem. I thought somebody in this thread said it did.

Originally posted by ac388
You meant the latest version firmware 8, still did not fix the Green push problem. I thought somebody in this thread said it did.

I think there was some change to alleviate green push back in firmware v5, but nothing has happened since. With v8 firmware, its the only remaining issue in this player now IMO.

Originally posted by HumanMedia
I think there was some change to alleviate green push back in firmware v5, but nothing has happened since. With v8 firmware, its the only remaining issue in this player now IMO.

I only see version 7 on the web. Is there a list of what version 8 does resolve? Did it fix the macroblocking issue?

Remember the European and some overseas firmware versions tend to be a number behind, the U.S. version 7 was version 8 overseas. So when people are saying they have a region free version 8 I am wonder which version they really have in relation to the U.S. revision.

So, for those who have the U.S. version 7, did it solve the Green push n macroblocking problem ?

ZZTop>>
My benchmark is the 2004 restored version of the 1964 classic, The Pink Panther. On my Denon 3800 and my Bravo D1 I can see all these fantastic subtle color tones and subtle shades in the different locales the film is shot. On the 2910 , while the image is sharp, too sharp on my plasma, to the point of being grainy and harsh, those subtle color tones and shades are missing. Its not something you would notice necessarily unless you were very familar with the video material.
I agree that this "dull PQ" problem is most evident when viewing very familiar material - but I also believe that it overall makes any movie more "dull" and "flat" and "lifeless"... Unfortunately.

If there's an issue with the Colorspace via DVI/HDMI, can that be what is causing the Macro Blocking? Am I correct in concluding that if portions of subtle colors are being removed from the picture when passed through HDMI, will that space that the subtle colors occupied be filled in by the color next to it, causing macro blocking? Since the TV cares less, it's only producing the signal. it would seem to me that if you eliminated gradual colors (as much as 30%) that it would result in macro blocking all over the the picture. Which is what I feel I'm seeing now on a lot of movies, my wife rented "the Notebook" (new release) and at the beginning there's a scene that looks like L.I. Sound at sunset. The fairly dark scene with the sunset reds & oranges and the water reflection with calm waves made the entire bottom 1/3 of the screen 80% macro blocked, it's so bad that it looks like a scummy pond with ripples underneath, but the top never changes appearance.

From what I'm reading in some of the recent posts. if I switch to Component video are things going to look noticeably better?

I have the 2910S on a Samsung 4674

Sounds like a plausible explanation to me. If color span is reduced, such things could most likely happen, I guess.

I have firmware version 7.

For me, the green push is only with the 2910's DVI connection. The HDMI and component connections do not have the green push.

I also have Comcast service with a DCT-6412 DVR that has the green push when using the DVI connection. I use the component connections for it.

my green push disapeared with the last firmware update

I tried it with a DVI connection to a Lumagen Scaler,
and a direct HDMI connection to my Sharp display

The color was more or less identlical, with a better overal PQ through the scaler.

No more green push in either cases.

Originally posted by kring
If there's an issue with the Colorspace via DVI/HDMI, can that be what is causing the Macro Blocking? Am I correct in concluding that if portions of subtle colors are being removed from the picture when passed through HDMI, will that space that the subtle colors occupied be filled in by the color next to it, causing macro blocking? Since the TV cares less, it's only producing the signal. it would seem to me that if you eliminated gradual colors (as much as 30%) that it would result in macro blocking all over the the picture. Which is what I feel I'm seeing now on a lot of movies, my wife rented "the Notebook" (new release) and at the beginning there's a scene that looks like L.I. Sound at sunset. The fairly dark scene with the sunset reds & oranges and the water reflection with calm waves made the entire bottom 1/3 of the screen 80% macro blocked, it's so bad that it looks like a scummy pond with ripples underneath, but the top never changes appearance.

From what I'm reading in some of the recent posts. if I switch to Component video are things going to look noticeably better?

I have the 2910S on a Samsung 4674


According to that colorspace thread and others I have read, its more like 3-4% of the color info thats missing. The macroblocking might be a result of that but I think its more the Faroujda chipset on the macroblocking as other DVI players ALL have the macroblocking but not all seem to be missing the color data.

There are versions of the HDMI industr specs, 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 last I read. Then you have how well each of those spec versions was actually implemented in each brand/model dvd player.

DVI has a similar problem, but since that spec has not been updated in distribution dvd models to the public, if the spec was even updated much at all since the industry jumped to HDMI. That would leave less motivation for production updating and innovation on the DVI portions of hardware.

my green push disapeared with the last firmware update

I tried it with a DVI connection to a Lumagen Scaler,
and a direct HDMI connection to my Sharp display

The color was more or less identlical, with a better overal PQ through the scaler.

No more green push in either cases.

Which firmware version is that? -7?
I have suspected what Lanny3 says, namely that the green push is a DVI problem and not a HMDI problem. Have you tried connecting with DVI directly to Your display?

Originally posted by Lanny3
I have firmware version 7.

For me, the green push is only with the 2910's DVI connection. The HDMI and component connections do not have the green push.

I also have Comcast service with a DCT-6412 DVR that has the green push when using the DVI connection. I use the component connections for it.

Do you have your HDMI set to RGB or YCbCr?

The reason I ask is because I suspect the green hue comes from the Denon's conversion from YCbCr to RGB. I see a green hue issue via HDMI to DVI (RGB) and DVI to DVI (RGB) but, as I do not have an HDMI equipped display that can accept YCbCr, I cannot test this option. I do not have any issues with Component.

Mark

I use firmware -7 and connect my 2910 to my new Samsung HL-P5063W, HDMI-HDMI with YCbCr. I note no significant green push.

Does it stand to reason that the conversion from HDMI to DVI (in effect, the YCbCr to RGB conversion that would happen on DVI to DVI anyway) could introduce the green hue issue?

I've written Denon regarding the issue but don't expect a meaningful reply.

Mark

Do you have your HDMI set to RGB or YCbCr?

The reason I ask is because I suspect the green hue comes from the Denon's conversion from YCbCr to RGB. I see a green hue issue via HDMI to DVI (RGB) and DVI to DVI (RGB) but, as I do not have an HDMI equipped display that can accept YCbCr, I cannot test this option. I do not have any issues with Component.

Mark


Reread my original. I have never had a green push problem using HDMI, whether YCbCr or RGB, that includes firmware 4, 5, and now 7. The HDMI connection has always worked well. When using HDMI, switching between YCbCr and RGB, I've never seen any noticeable difference.

The only issue I have had is that when the HDMI is configured to YCbCr and I switch to the 2910 after it's been on Standby, the TV doesn't set properly, all yellows and reds. Then, if I switch through the settings from RGB back to YCbCr, everything is okay again. In summary, it's not a good setting to leave for others in my household. It requires additional steps to get it to function properly.

The green push is only when I'm using the DVI connection. There has been no change with any of the firmware upgrades.

P.S. I've never tried using the DVI connection with a PC, so there is a chance that there would be no green push issue with a PC.

The green push is still there with the latest firmware update as well for me, granted its not horrific like it was when I bought the unit last fall. The third firmware update from the time of purchase (like 2-3 updates back now) seemed to lessen it some. I like the player, the build quality is very good, but with the Faroujda black macroblocking issue and the DVI colorspace issue, green push and the graininess/harshness it was not an improvement over my Bravo D1 I bought for a little over 200$ 2 plus years ago.

I like all my Denon gear (DVD-3800, receivers 3802 and 3805), but in this instance I think these 2910 units are just fated to only be improved upon to a certain point and thats it due to the Faourjda chipsets and the DVI implemenation.

Among the current choices in the Faroujda chipset category its one of the better ones but I wonder if the Panny or others does just as well for 300-400$ less.

The graininess/harsh image does not show up as much on some of the softer type displays, so some people won't see that aspect of the player much.

At the risk of sounding dumb, just what is 'macroblocking'....what defects would I see on the screen?
We have a Toshiba 44NHM84 DLP set, and would like to buy a new player with a DVI output to make best use of our TV inputs.
The 2910 has been getting great reviews in the magazines recently...what's the inside story?

Jeff

Frankly, I'm with ZZTop. I can't eliminate the "Green Push" issue either. The best and most consistent image I have obtained has been from component. Unfortunately, HDMI is not an option for me as my display does not support this.

Unlike ZZ, I do not have a macroblocking problem - but my display *is* a CRT RP.

Thanks,
Mark

Originally posted by mczolton
Frankly, I'm with ZZTop. I can't eliminate the "Green Push" issue either. The best and most consistent image I have obtained has been from component. Unfortunately, HDMI is not an option for me as my display does not support this.

Unlike ZZ, I do not have a macroblocking problem - but my display *is* a CRT RP.

Thanks,
Mark


A few people have met with success on the green push issue by adjusting the tint or color away from norm, of course then other sources into your diplay look purple or red shifted, so a memory setting for the display device would be helpful

I know - I've tried. But in the end I'm just trading one inaccuracy for another. Of course the image *is* more acceptable. Sill, I'm not so sure if this out weights the benefits of using component in my case.

Mark

Originally posted by ZZtop
A few people have met with success on the green push issue by adjusting the tint or color away from norm, of course then other sources into your diplay look purple or red shifted, so a memory setting for the display device would be helpful

The best way is to leave the controls on the TV alone and adjust the 2910 by bringing the Hue control to about +2. That helps a lot with the green push.

Help! I have no idea what I did wrong, but my 2910 no longer displays widescreen DVDs at the proper aspect ratio after I upgraded it to the -7 firmware.

My 2910 was running firmware -5 and was working normally. I downloaded the -7 firmware from Denon's site, burned it to a CD exactly as Denon recommended, then took it to my player. I had the player on, dropped the CD in, pressed the Close button, and let the CD run the update. I could tell it was running because on the screen it said "Writing" then "Completed". The drawer opened, I took the CD out, and pressed the hard On/Off button.

I then turned it back on while holding down Play and Open/Close, released those two buttons, pressed 3,2,6,5, then Menu, and verified the right version was on there: "ESS 6270-7".

I turned the player off with the hard button, turned it back on, then initialized the player by holding Play and FF at the same time, and then holding down Open/Close as well for 3 seconds.

I verified the that 2910 was set for a 16:9 display, NTSC, and Progressive scan. I then popped in a widescreen DVD I watched 2 days ago, and it is showing up as 4:3 letterbox. There are black bars on all sides, and my TV even says that the incoming signal is 480p, 4:3.

I did not make ANY setting changes on my TV and nothing else changed except for the firmware update on the 2910.

Does anyone know what I might have done wrong or if there's a way I can get the -5 or -6 U.S. firmware quickly?

Thanks!

Originally posted by tennberg
Help! I have no idea what I did wrong, but my 2910 no longer displays widescreen DVDs at the proper aspect ratio after I upgraded it to the -7 firmware.

My 2910 was running firmware -5 and was working normally. I downloaded the -7 firmware from Denon's site, burned it to a CD exactly as Denon recommended, then took it to my player. I had the player on, dropped the CD in, pressed the Close button, and let the CD run the update. I could tell it was running because on the screen it said "Writing" then "Completed". The drawer opened, I took the CD out, and pressed the hard On/Off button.

I then turned it back on while holding down Play and Open/Close, released those two buttons, pressed 3,2,6,5, then Menu, and verified the right version was on there: "ESS 6270-7".

I turned the player off with the hard button, turned it back on, then initialized the player by holding Play and FF at the same time, and then holding down Open/Close as well for 3 seconds.

I verified the that 2910 was set for a 16:9 display, NTSC, and Progressive scan. I then popped in a widescreen DVD I watched 2 days ago, and it is showing up as 4:3 letterbox. There are black bars on all sides, and my TV even says that the incoming signal is 480p, 4:3.

I did not make ANY setting changes on my TV and nothing else changed except for the firmware update on the 2910.

Does anyone know what I might have done wrong or if there's a way I can get the -5 or -6 U.S. firmware quickly?

Thanks!

That sounds more like a menu setting, could squeeze mode have something to do with this?

I just rechecked all my settings again. I have it set to: 16:9 (Widescreen), NTSC, Progessive, and Squeeze - Off.

hmmmmmmmmm, squeeze is off? This is strange. is your monitor set to 4:3 by mistake?

John

Originally posted by antennahead
hmmmmmmmmm, squeeze is off? This is strange. is your monitor set to 4:3 by mistake?

John

I just checked. On the 2910, 16:9 for display, NTSC, and Progressive with Squeeze set to off. On my Sony, it is detecting the incoming signal as 480p, which is correct, but it thinks its 4:3 and not what it should be at 16:9.

Is there somewhere where I can download the -5 or -6 firmware again and reapply one of those to see what happens?

HDMI/DVI format button on either the remote or the main unit should let you cycle through either 480p/720p/1080i on the hdmi/dvi output. This might have gotten reset with the new firmware.

Try that, see how it goes.

Originally posted by dacoop1
HDMI/DVI format button on either the remote or the main unit should let you cycle through either 480p/720p/1080i on the hdmi/dvi output. This might have gotten reset with the new firmware.

Try that, see how it goes.

I use component output to my Sony CRT set. I already checked those settings and cycled through the HDMI/DVI settings to see if those would fix anything but they didn't. I was able to track down the -5 firmware, and I will apply that tonight to see if that fixes the issue.

Since I use component out from the 2910, and if I reapply the -5 firmware and everything works, is there any reason for me to try and reapply the -7 firmware? Would I gain anything from it?

tennberg:

You are not alone. I experienced exactly the same problem after upgrading to version -7. I have a Widescreen CRT TV (Sony 30XBR910). My 2910 is set to for 16:9 display, NTSC, and progressive scan.

Under a component connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show as 4:3. What I do to fix this is to manually set my screen to full mode and the movie is shown correctly in 16:9 aspect.

However, under a S-Video connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show automatically as 16:9.

To check if my TV had any setting wrong I changed back to firmware version -5 and under a component connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show automatically as 16:9 as it should.

Maybe we can figure that version -7 has a bug and expect for version 8 or 9 to be released.

Also I must report that picture quality is significantly better under component connection that under DVI (my TV set does not have a HDMI input). Under DVI there is green push and colors are blurry and distorted (colorspace issue?).

I expected that after some firmware upgrades this problem would be solved, but it is still there. This is very disappointing since one of the reasons to pay extra $$ was to enjoy the extra picture quality of upscaling to 1080i. Denon should take care of this issue since there are many of us that have a display that accepts only DVI (no HDMI).

Finally, do you know where I can find region free firmware version 7 or 8 to download? Thanks for your help.

Octavio

There are two post on this thread that have talked about the vibration of the player. Mine has just started vibrating and it is getting worse. It is not the disk that I am playing because some of the movies that I watch before did not make the player vibrate and now they do. The vibration does not subside with time it is always there.

If any one else has experienced this or has any ideal how to fix it let me know. Unfortunately I am pretty sure what is wrong and I do not look forward to being without this player for 4 weeks while Denon works on it.

clrv -

I've also noticed a 'vibration' in my 2910 this weekend. I popped in "The Incredibles" and all of a sudden (after selecting play movie from the menu) I found myself wondering where this strange noise was coming from - only to realize it was indeed the dvd player itself (of course I was in denial), the player was vibrating rather vigorously! I don't use the player often, so I can't say to specifics and regularity, but it was strange and bothersome. I did not hear it again on a second attempt the next day - I chalked my experience up to user error in loading possibly, but since you mention this, I'll try to see if this happens anymore - not sure if this is similar to your situation, but this does hesitantly worry me because I came to this thread to look and see if anyone had this situation!

Originally posted by Octavio
tennberg:

You are not alone. I experienced exactly the same problem after upgrading to version -7. I have a Widescreen CRT TV (Sony 30XBR910). My 2910 is set to for 16:9 display, NTSC, and progressive scan.

Under a component connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show as 4:3. What I do to fix this is to manually set my screen to full mode and the movie is shown correctly in 16:9 aspect.

However, under a S-Video connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show automatically as 16:9.

To check if my TV had any setting wrong I changed back to firmware version -5 and under a component connection, anamorphic widescreen movies show automatically as 16:9 as it should.

Maybe we can figure that version -7 has a bug and expect for version 8 or 9 to be released.

Also I must report that picture quality is significantly better under component connection that under DVI (my TV set does not have a HDMI input). Under DVI there is green push and colors are blurry and distorted (colorspace issue?).

I expected that after some firmware upgrades this problem would be solved, but it is still there. This is very disappointing since one of the reasons to pay extra $$ was to enjoy the extra picture quality of upscaling to 1080i. Denon should take care of this issue since there are many of us that have a display that accepts only DVI (no HDMI).

Finally, do you know where I can find region free firmware version 7 or 8 to download? Thanks for your help.

Octavio

Octavio: It's good to know someone else out there experienced the same problem. I have a Sony 34XBR960 set, so our sets are quite similar. I was able to get a hold of the -5 firmware, which I will apply tonight.

I noticed that Denon's instructions for verifying firmware and initializing the player are a bit off, and it's enough to make following them difficult. Someone should mention to them to rewrite them.

Couple questions:

1. Using component video, am I missing anything by using the -5 firmware over the -7 firmware?

2. Is there a place to report this problem to Denon to see if it might be fixed in a later version of the firmware?

1. Using component video, am I missing anything by using the -5 firmware over the -7 firmware?

2. Is there a place to report this problem to Denon to see if it might be fixed in a later version of the firmware?

As I have never had a problem with component video, I personally don't think you would be missing anything by not upgrading to the -7 firmware.

You can send email to 'contactservice@denonnj.com'. Good luck getting a reply though.

alias123,
I hope yours is a isolated problem. I have never had a player do what mine is doing and to make thing worse the sound is intensified because my components are in a enclosed cabinet built into my wall on glass shelfs so it echos.

Update:

I applied -5 firmware (over the existing -7 version), verified the version, and initialized the player.

I then popped in a widescreen DVD and the player correctly displayed it as widescreen 16:9 without me having to change any settings. The TV also correctly detected the incoming signal as 480p 16:9.

Does anyone here know someone at Denon that I can report this to? It seems pretty isolated for now to me and Octavio, though I'm sure other users are experiencing it.

I've also noticed a 'vibration' in my 2910 this weekend. I popped in "The Incredibles" and all of a sudden (after selecting play movie from the menu) I found myself wondering where this strange noise was coming from - only to realize it was indeed the dvd player itself (of course I was in denial), the player was vibrating rather vigorously!

I noticed the same thing...until I tried these:

http://brightstaraudio.safeshopper.com/1/47.htm?905

...they totally work.

I did have the International -8 firmware installed but no such problem as you said. However, the picture seems to be more yellow than before, do you guys know what should I do to correct this problem. Thanks in advance.

:confused: :confused: :confused:

My 2910 is still in the box waiting for me to finish some final touches on the HT in the basement. I have a question regarding audio.

I plan on a HDMI connection to my Sony hs51 projector and Digital Optical audio connection to my AV Receiver.

Will this be a problem? I know that HDMI is both audio & video and have read that I can not disable the audio. So will the player send two signals out; one via hdmi and one through the optical connection?

Thanks,

George

Originally posted by gsabert
My 2910 is still in the box waiting for me to finish some final touches on the HT in the basement. I have a question regarding audio.

I plan on a HDMI connection to my Sony hs51 projector and Digital Optical audio connection to my AV Receiver.

Will this be a problem? I know that HDMI is both audio & video and have read that I can not disable the audio. So will the player send two signals out; one via hdmi and one through the optical connection?

Thanks,

George

Your plan is fine; no worry.

Originally posted by gsabert
My 2910 is still in the box waiting for me to finish some final touches on the HT in the basement. I have a question regarding audio.

I plan on a HDMI connection to my Sony hs51 projector and Digital Optical audio connection to my AV Receiver.

Will this be a problem? I know that HDMI is both audio & video and have read that I can not disable the audio. So will the player send two signals out; one via hdmi and one through the optical connection?

Thanks,

George

I have this same setup (Dalite High Power screen) and the picture is excellent just using the default settings on both the player and pj. I will hopefully have some time this weekend to tweak it some. I'd be interested in hearing what settings people use with this combination player and pj.

Oh, your audio will be fine.

Nas