I recently hooked up a 2910 to my samsung 5674 with analog(for SACDs and DVD-As) and optical. After doing some reading on this thread I decided to take the suggestion of some and run dvd soundtracks thru the analog 5.1 as well so the Denon's DACs would be utilized rather than my 6 yr old Pioneer receiver. The only problem: I have audio sync issues when playing movies this way. Is there something I can do to correct this? If not I will just use the optical link, as there is no sync problem with this connection.

Hi Guys. I have a question regarding the use of 5.1 cable with the 2910. I have a 6.1 setup and I have noticed that with 5.1 analog connection between the 2910 and the AVR, the 6th channel is not used.

Based on that I just want to confirm that for me to use 6.1 speaker setup optical/coax digital connection is my only option?

Thanks,
-dollarman

Originally posted by buc18
I recently hooked up a 2910 to my samsung 5674 with analog(for SACDs and DVD-As) and optical. After doing some reading on this thread I decided to take the suggestion of some and run dvd soundtracks thru the analog 5.1 as well so the Denon's DACs would be utilized rather than my 6 yr old Pioneer receiver. The only problem: I have audio sync issues when playing movies this way. Is there something I can do to correct this? If not I will just use the optical link, as there is no sync problem with this connection.


Have you setup the delay/distance timings in each speaker in the DVD Player??? Check out the manual for how to do this.

HumanMedia....
thanks for responding. Yes, I have set the delay/distance settings. I measured distance to each speaker and entered in the "delay time" set up. I have no sync issues when using the optical input of the Pioneer receiver. Just when using 5.1 analog and watching movies.

Hmmm. What firmware?

With -6 I was having some subwoofer volume level problems going through analog, but now with -8 firmware the issue is gone (dont know if this was the firmware that fixed it tho)

Hi HumanMedia,

What picture improvement did you see after the -8 firmware upgrade ? I just did mine several days ago, n now the picture looks a bit more yellow than before, do you agree ?

Originally posted by ac388
Hi HumanMedia,

What picture improvement did you see after the -8 firmware upgrade ? I just did mine several days ago, n now the picture looks a bit more yellow than before, do you agree ?

I had my projector panels realligned at same time the DVD player Firmware was updated, so I dont know what was what. The colors seem a little fuller (Im using DVI connection) and if anything, a little less green push (a problem with DVI colorspace conversion). Maybe the image is a little smoother texturewise, but I didnt notice any additional yellowing. Again hard to say since the projector was also serviced.

Do you think we need to re-calibrate the projector once the Firmware upgrade on 2910 is done ?

How does one attain the -8 firmware? On Denons upgrade page only -7 is downloadable.

Do a search on this topic since I got it from a gentleman posting it here about a week ago. Version 8 is International which is the same as 7 for U.S. market.

Originally posted by ac388
Do you think we need to re-calibrate the projector once the Firmware upgrade on 2910 is done ?

ac388,

I don't think the -8 change the color much, if any. I calibrated it using colorfacts again and didn't notice a lot change from my last color setting on the projector. Do you have a test pattern disc like Avia? chcek out the cross grey scale pattern.

Is international version -8 of firmware region free? If so, where can I download it?

Thanks,

Octavio

Originally posted by tennberg
Octavio: It's good to know someone else out there experienced the same problem. I have a Sony 34XBR960 set, so our sets are quite similar. I was able to get a hold of the -5 firmware, which I will apply tonight.

I noticed that Denon's instructions for verifying firmware and initializing the player are a bit off, and it's enough to make following them difficult. Someone should mention to them to rewrite them.

Couple questions:

1. Using component video, am I missing anything by using the -5 firmware over the -7 firmware?

2. Is there a place to report this problem to Denon to see if it might be fixed in a later version of the firmware?

tennberg, I have upgraded to -7 from -5, and have exactly the same problem as you. -8 is just the same as -7. I think I might like to go back to -5 and forego the advantages of -8! Where did you find the -5 file?
Regards,
Geoff.

Originally posted by yatlee
ac388,

I don't think the -8 change the color much, if any. I calibrated it using colorfacts again and didn't notice a lot change from my last color setting on the projector. Do you have a test pattern disc like Avia? chcek out the cross grey scale pattern.

I do have the DVE n HiVi Cast, which I think the latter one is more easier to use, since I found the DVE a bit confusing n took too much time to go thru the whole routine.

It will be great if you can help me to calibrate with Avia, I can arrange pickup at your place, since I live on Conduit Road on the HK Island side. My cell number again is 91838838. Thanking you in advance.

Alex

I've got a newbie audio question.

What is the point of setting the speaker distances and audio controls on the 2910 when it runs through optical cable to my receiver, which has speaker distance, frequency settings as well.

Does the 2910 override or accentuate those settings in the receiver, or what do I do to assure my settings are what is coming from the speakers?

Thanks.

Those settings are for the 5.1 analog(not digital) output at the back of your DVD player, when people are listening SACD, DVDaudio, or using the DTS n AC3 decoder in your DVD player instead of the one inside the receiver.

Tonight while watching Shrek 2 I noticed what seemed to be green "splotches" that showed up on Shrek, on the dark walls of the castle and other darker areas as well. Is this macroblocking? Sorry if my questions sound stupid, but I have not had the 2910 long and that was just the second movie we have watched. I checked the firmware and I have -5. Would an updated firmware version correct this or is there something I can do with the players settings? My display is a 5674w Samsung.

Yes, no & no.

What isn't known, is how the same DVD would play on other DVD players.

I got a 2910 on Friday and tuned it up this weekend. Wow, I have an amazing picture on my Infocus 7200/Firehawk/110" setup.

So good, in fact, that I wonder if mine came with the new firmware already applied. The shipping date is 2/9. No macroblocking at all, and clean skies and backgrounds with virtually no noise at all, except a little on old crappy transfers.

How do I check what version I have? I see no visible reason to perform an upgrade, but if it can make my system work even better......well, I'm in.

I have my 2910 connected to my Pioneer 1014 using both analog 6 channel and digital outputs. using the analog for SACD or music listening. 5.1 movies do not seem to work well using the 6 channel analog with the 1014 set to Multi Channel In. Should I be changing the output of the Denon 2910, or the input on the 1014? Would be nice if I didn't have to go into the setup each time.

I posted this on the Samsung 5674w thread and it was recommended to post it again over here:I have been running a Denon 2910 with my 5674 but until last night I had yet to watch an entire movie. While watching Shrek 2 with the family I noticed some problems with the picture that ruined my viewing experience. In darker scenes and areas I saw what I can best describe as greenish "blotches" moving around. Even on Shrek's face I was able to see this. I got out the Avia disc today to finally try to calibrate but I saw the same blotches or splotches on that disc as well. I don't know if this is whats considered to be macroblocking, but if it is I won't keep the player if I can't do anything about it. My firmware is -5. I put in Shrek on my old panny xp30 via component and the problem disappeared. I thought that the 2910 via HDMI was supposed to give my display the WOW factor, but unfortunately that wasn't the case. I love the audio capabilities of the 2910 but I am not going to keep a $700 player for subpar video. Can anyone give me any advice at all. My 30 day window for return to Crutchfield is soon approaching. If I have to hook up the xp30 and wait on HD DVD then I guess I will be patient and start saving my $ up.

Welcome to the wonderful world of macroblocking and digital artifacts...not much you can do about it, unfortunately. Try using 480p instead of 720p (you should notice a slight reduction) This problem is common on Denon 2910+Samsung DLP combinations and varies depending on the DVD you're watching. (...you're lucky you didnt get the 1910...its much worse!)

Btw, I'm using a Denon 2910 (at 720p DVI) on a Samsung HLP-5085W. And yes, I get macroblocking noise, but I guess I've learned to deal with it. I agree that a $700+ player shouldnt have these issues... I just dont think there's a better alternative (DVI/HDMI upconverting player) for the price. With HD-DVD around the corner, I'm not spending any more money on SD-DVD players.

Originally posted by Erod
I got a 2910 on Friday and tuned it up this weekend. Wow, I have an amazing picture on my Infocus 7200/Firehawk/110" setup.

So good, in fact, that I wonder if mine came with the new firmware already applied. The shipping date is 2/9. No macroblocking at all, and clean skies and backgrounds with virtually no noise at all, except a little on old crappy transfers.

How do I check what version I have? I see no visible reason to perform an upgrade, but if it can make my system work even better......well, I'm in.

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

I haven't checked mine yet. I would probably just leave it if you are happy with it.

Originally posted by CarlosC
Welcome to the wonderful world of macroblocking and digital artifacts...not much you can do about it, unfortunately. Try using 480p instead of 720p (you should notice a slight reduction) This problem is common on Denon 2910+Samsung DLP combinations and varies depending on the DVD you're watching. (...you're lucky you didnt get the 1910...its much worse!)

Btw, I'm using a Denon 2910 (at 720p DVI) on a Samsung HLP-5085W. And yes, I get macroblocking noise, but I guess I've learned to deal with it. I agree that a $700+ player shouldnt have these issues... I just dont think there's a better alternative (DVI/HDMI upconverting player) for the price. With HD-DVD around the corner, I'm not spending any more money on SD-DVD players.

The puzzling/frustrating thing is that after all the research I did I came to the conclusion that the 2910+Samsung dlps was a good combination. There seems to be a lot of 2910s out there being used w/Samsung dlps with exellent results. That's why I thought I must not be doing something right. I will try a few more dvds and see if I don't notice it as much.

Denon just released a US version 8 firmware (today I think). It's at the usual spot (http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp).

Firmware fixes:
1. Corrects returning to menu after episode index is selected on "The A-Team" disc.
2. Corrects video & sound interruption on PAL version "Star Wars Episode 2" disc.

Must say that I'm a bit underwhelmed. Hope these fixes help somebody, cause they sure don't help me.

I have the 2910 + HLP4674 combination and I am thrilled with the quality I get overall. My Firmware is -7 version. With that said, I definitely see macro blocking. I only notice macro blocking on images that are black to near-black, and feel the MB is primarily caused by the TV. I have noticed this strange last frame permanent ghosting image on the TV especially when doing the Avia or DVE calibration, for instance, using DVE, go to any scene with high contrast white & black, then go directly to a pure black screen, you will see the previous image burnt into the screen if you get up close to the TV, within 1 foot, I can easily make out what portion was black and what was white, the white portions look to have around 3% white still remaining while the black stayed black. it's a stable burn that will stay as long as I stay on the black chapter, I've waited minutes with not change, if I go to another chapter then back to black, it's a burn of the new image. It seems to be that the TV refuses to let go of the previous image 100%. I Believe this is what is causing the macro blocking. the TV is not completely letting go of the previous screen.

I think tonight I might try running another DVD player to verify the 2910 is not sending this ghost image to the TV or I'll try going from high contrast to no signal and see if it remains, verifying the TV is the cause, I'll also see if when I'm viewing the ghost image, if I increase the brightness, will the ghosting also increase and stay. and messing with some of the TV settings like DNIe (which is currently on) may be causing it... I'll post my findings.

I will add that, I have never seen it in a color range such as sky. it's only with black on high contrast, where there is considerable drop from bright to dark.

Has anyone else noticed this long term ghosting?

Originally posted by buc18
The puzzling/frustrating thing is that after all the research I did I came to the conclusion that the 2910+Samsung dlps was a good combination. There seems to be a lot of 2910s out there being used w/Samsung dlps with exellent results. That's why I thought I must not be doing something right. I will try a few more dvds and see if I don't notice it as much.

Anyone get this error when trying to get firmware?:

Microsoft VBScript runtime error '800a0006'

Overflow: 'CInt'

/support/upgrades.asp, line 46

Originally posted by dacoop1
Denon just released a US version 8 firmware (today I think). It's at the usual spot (http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp).

Firmware fixes:
1. Corrects returning to menu after episode index is selected on "The A-Team" disc.
2. Corrects video & sound interruption on PAL version "Star Wars Episode 2" disc.

Must say that I'm a bit underwhelmed. Hope these fixes help somebody, cause they sure don't help me.

Originally posted by dacoop1
Denon just released a US version 8 firmware (today I think). It's at the usual spot (http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp).

Firmware fixes:
1. Corrects returning to menu after episode index is selected on "The A-Team" disc.
2. Corrects video & sound interruption on PAL version "Star Wars Episode 2" disc.

Must say that I'm a bit underwhelmed. Hope these fixes help somebody, cause they sure don't help me.

What I'd like to know is if this firmware fixes the problem I and others were having with firmware -7 on a DVD-2910 connected to a Sony CRT XBR HDTV. My set would not correctly recognize the incoming signal as being 16:9 after I applied -7, so I had to make adjustments on my set. After moving back to firmware -5, my set would correctly recognize the incoming signal as being 16:9.

There were a couple other people on here who ran into the same problem with Sony CRT sets. I may try to apply -8 tonight to see if the problem was fixed. In any event, I still have firmware -5 on disc so it can be readily reapplied.

I own a Sammy HL-P5063W connected to my 2910 via HDMI and I don't note significant macroblocking. I use firmware -7 and am very happy with the PQ. Is it your player, perhaps? Can you trade for a different one?

Originally posted by buc18
The puzzling/frustrating thing is that after all the research I did I came to the conclusion that the 2910+Samsung dlps was a good combination. There seems to be a lot of 2910s out there being used w/Samsung dlps with exellent results. That's why I thought I must not be doing something right. I will try a few more dvds and see if I don't notice it as much.

No one ever adequately answered these questions about the 2910. Does anyone know the answer?

A couple of questions, though: why would anyone turn the LPCM on? The manual talks about it needing to be on for certain copy-protected audio sources, otherwise no sound is output. Huh? Can someone translate from "manualese"? And why is there an SACD filter to 100 Hz? And how do you know your receiver is "compatible" with this? I don't understand these settings, so I left them at factory defaults.

I'm really curious about this. :)

Another question: Why is the "progressive" light on when I'm in 1080i mode?

Not to sound too ignorant but does firmware 8 include earlier updates (specifically -7 since that seems to be the one that is being recommended to me)? The 2 updates(A-Team and Star Wars) don't really do anything for me. If not, how do I specifically get the -7 version from Denon?

I don't get macroblocking on every DVD. For me, to date, it has been only noticeable on "Shark Tale," "Kolya," and few other animation DVDs. When I do get it, it is marginally less on component than on HDMI.

I have a couple small issues with my mine running v4, and denon will not let me have firmware cuz it was not purchased from an authorized dealer. I might return it.

Originally posted by buc18
Not to sound too ignorant but does firmware 8 include earlier updates (specifically -7 since that seems to be the one that is being recommended to me)? The 2 updates(A-Team and Star Wars) don't really do anything for me. If not, how do I specifically get the -7 version from Denon?

latest version will include all previous updates.

thanks Mingus

Originally posted by neuronbob
No one ever adequately answered these questions about the 2910. Does anyone know the answer?
A couple of questions, though: why would anyone turn the LPCM on? The manual talks about it needing to be on for certain copy-protected audio sources, otherwise no sound is output. Huh? Can someone translate from "manualese"? And why is there an SACD filter to 100 Hz? And how do you know your receiver is "compatible" with this? I don't understand these settings, so I left them at factory defaults
I'm really curious about this. :)
I'm not sure on the LPCM and why you would use it, mine works fine as is, so I'll leave it alone.

why is there an SACD filter to 100 Hz? And how do you know your receiver is "compatible" with this? This default is 50 Hz cutoff, that is what most recievers do, besides, you can't hear above 20 Hz, but if you have a high end reciever and good speakers, if you felt like increasing to 100 Hz you have the ability to do this, some may say it sounds more life like, but there's no real benefit that I'm aware of.

I know my reciever does to 100 Hz, so I changed this setting to match my reciever, it's a HK AVR-430. The way to find out is call the reciever manufacturer and ask them the input capabilities fo ryour unit (if it's not listed in the manual specifications)

Is there a summary somewhere that lists what the changes are for each firmware revision, issues people have with each version etc.? I love this forum but it's exceptionally confusing trying to sort out all the versions, issues etc.

My 2910 has version 4 and it's tough to figure out whether or not to upgrade, what I'm missing by not upgrading etc.

Thanks,
Nas

mine is v4 also. have a couple minor issues. Denon will not let me in to get firmware, not sure if revison info is listed there or not. http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

Has anyone had any isues with this player combined with the Sony HS51. Is macroblocking an issue? I would like to connect via HDMI. I've read that it is display related. A couple of guys mentioned this combo, but I haven't heard any comments on how they like it. Thanks for any comments.

Originally posted by ac388
Those settings are for the 5.1 analog(not digital) output at the back of your DVD player, when people are listening SACD, DVDaudio, or using the DTS n AC3 decoder in your DVD player instead of the one inside the receiver.

Does this mean that on most receivers, these receiver settings do not apply to the 5.1 analog inputs, but rather only to the digital inputs? What about the 2 channel analog inputs?

Correct. And the settings have no relevance to stereo settings. Well they might merely to help adjust the left and right levels in relation to each other, but the delay timings are only meaningful to get the surround and subwoofer delays to be in synch with the front and centre speaker signals, rendering the correct spatiality.

HELP! WHAT HAVE I DONE? I'M STUCK IN "DEMO MODE".

Yesterday, I successfully loaded the -8 firmware and experimented with some movies.

But when I checked the firmware, I mistakingly pressed "3-4-6-5" instead of "3-2-6-5".

Now, when I press the open/close button, I get "Demo Mode" on the screen, and it won't open. And now the firmware checking sequence is not working.

How do I get this thing out of Demo Mode?

Thanks.

Originally posted by Erod
HELP! WHAT HAVE I DONE? I'M STUCK IN "DEMO MODE".

Yesterday, I successfully loaded the -8 firmware and experimented with some movies.

But when I checked the firmware, I mistakingly pressed "3-4-6-5" instead of "3-2-6-5".

Now, when I press the open/close button, I get "Demo Mode" on the screen, and it won't open. And now the firmware checking sequence is not working.

How do I get this thing out of Demo Mode?

Thanks.

Hi Erod,
That's interesting! I wonder what other key strokes will do?
However, I think you should be able to initialize the player by following the instructions (pdf file) that Denon sent with the firmware update. If my memory serves me correctly, it's on page 4. I hope that works. When you get the 2910 working again, let us know if you see anything interesting.

Geoff.

Originally posted by GeoffW
Hi Erod,
That's interesting! I wonder what other key strokes will do?
However, I think you should be able to initialize the player by following the instructions (pdf file) that Denon sent with the firmware update. If my memory serves me correctly, it's on page 4. I hope that works. When you get the 2910 working again, let us know if you see anything interesting.

Geoff.

I can't initialize it because there's a disc in the tray. It engages the disc as soon as I push play and track forward.

Erod, turn the main on/off power off, press the play and fwd buttons, then turn the power on while still holding the buttons.

Erod, Kring,
In the Denon instructions is says that you should press Open/Close as well as Play and FF Skip at the same time for at least 3 seconds.
It also says you shouldn't have a disc in the player, but you'll have to ignore that in your situation.

Geoff.

Originally posted by GeoffW
Erod, Kring,
In the Denon instructions is says that you should press Open/Close as well as Play and FF Skip at the same time for at least 3 seconds.
It also says you shouldn't have a disc in the player, but you'll have to ignore that in your situation.

Geoff.

I've tried both of these at the advice of Denon reps I've talked to. It doesn't work because the disc engages as soon as you hit play.

They're stumped, too, and now they're calling Japan for me to find out how to get out of Demo Mode.

Originally posted by tenneberg
What I'd like to know is if this firmware fixes the problem I and others were having with firmware -7 on a DVD-2910 connected to a Sony CRT XBR HDTV. My set would not correctly recognize the incoming signal as being 16:9 after I applied -7, so I had to make adjustments on my set. After moving back to firmware -5, my set would correctly recognize the incoming signal as being 16:9.

No. It doesn't fix the problem. I tried both international and US version 8 of firmware and none of them fixes it.

I hope there will be a version 9.

Octavio

Originally posted by Erod
I've tried both of these at the advice of Denon reps I've talked to. It doesn't work because the disc engages as soon as you hit play.

They're stumped, too, and now they're calling Japan for me to find out how to get out of Demo Mode.

Probably just voided my warranty, but I finally just took the shell off, and unscrewed the little screws on the tray, removed the disc, then initialized the player.

Problem solved.

Originally posted by buc18
My firmware is -5. I put in Shrek on my old panny xp30 via component and the problem disappeared. I thought that the 2910 via HDMI was supposed to give my display the WOW factor, but unfortunately that wasn't the case. I love the audio capabilities of the 2910 but I am not going to keep a $700 player for subpar video. Can anyone give me any advice at all. My 30 day window for return to Crutchfield is soon approaching. If I have to hook up the xp30 and wait on HD DVD then I guess I will be patient and start saving my $ up.

Guess those hometheatersecrets DVD player ratings arent too far off.

Hello,
Do you set the player to "source direct" for movies? What is the difference between source direct and choosing speaker size/level/etc. What speaker settings does "source direct" make? I've already made speaker size adjustments on my receiver.

Hello,
Do you set the player to "source direct" for movies? What is the difference between source direct and choosing speaker size/level/etc. What speaker settings does "source direct" make? I've already made speaker size adjustments on my receiver.

Braidkid,

Welcome to the forum.

Those settings are for the analog out connections (6 channel outputs for SACD or DVD-Audio ). If you are using the coax or optical out to your receiver then those are the ones you adjusted already and should have no impact.

I haven't seen any posts regarding the gamma adjustments. Using an oscilloscope and AVIAPro, I played around with some of these settings. If you are having problems with seeing shadow detail, try these settings (DVDs store luminance information as digital levels with 16 being the equivalent of 0 IRE (black) and 235 being the equivalent of 100 IRE (white)). They adjust the luminance slope to increase more steeply at lower IREs.

I also noted using the oscilloscope that the sharpness settings are best left at 0.

You will need to recalibrate brightness and contrast settings after making these changes. If you don't like the results, just switch back to the standard setting.

NOTE: This settings only apply to analog outputs such as component and s-video. The gamma setting does not effect the digital outputs of DVI and HDMI.

G0: 16
G1: 40
G2: 64
G3: 89
G4: 113
G5: 137
G6: 162
G7: 186
G8: 210
G9: 235

Well, I bought some audioquest copperheads to hook up the multi channel input and wow, what a difference. The DACs in the DVD player must be better than what's in my reciever. I've decided to let my DVD player do the decoding and just use my reciever as an amplifier.

Anyone else notice better sound through multi channel rather than optical? I am hooking up to a Yamaha HTR-5790 reciever.

Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson

You will need to recalibrate brightness and contrast settings after making these changes. If you don't like the results, just switch back to the standard setting.

Do these settings effect the digital outputs as well, or only analog component?

When setting the DVD player to "source direct" what speaker settings does the player default to when running multi channel? I have smaller satellites and want to keep the settings set to small. Am I correct that when running my reciever in multi channel input mode it no longer handles the bass management?

I should have made this more clear that the manual states:

"When HDMI and DVI signals are output, the SHARPNESS (MID/HI), CHROMA DELAY and Gamma correction settings will have no effect."

Therefore, these settings are for analog outputs like component.

Originally posted by braidkid
Well, I bought some audioquest copperheads to hook up the multi channel input and wow, what a difference. The DACs in the DVD player must be better than what's in my reciever. I've decided to let my DVD player do the decoding and just use my reciever as an amplifier.

Anyone else notice better sound through multi channel rather than optical? I am hooking up to a Yamaha HTR-5790 reciever.

I, too, am curious if others of you have gotten better sound using the 2910 rather than your receiver.

Originally posted by Erod
I, too, am curious if others of you have gotten better sound using the 2910 rather than your receiver.

No. I have a Denon 3805 and I like running movies & concerts through the optical and using my receivers DAC's and Processing. I can imagine that the 2910's DAC's are better than alot of receivers.

Given that most of the pros and cons have been covered as well as it's shortcoming, would you still buy this player given the cost? For the money ($650), would you ppurchse this same player again? would you opt for different brand of similar quality?

Reason I ask is that I'm in the market for a solid all around player.

I currently have a well used Samsung that clunks skips scenes ocasionally, shows digital artifacts ocassionally and has trouble playing certain CD's at times. Like I said it was been well used even though it's only 1.5 years old.

I not overly picky about video quality so long the image doesn't get digitized and the picture looks reasonably well. I do want accurate sound reproduction for SACD DVD-A material and movie play back. Also I don't to see ANY sync issues, my samsung displays this and it is the most annoying thing and I won't tolerate it..

I've briefly looked through the many pages here and see there is alot of talk about the HDMI/DVI interface which isn't a concern of mine at the moment but may be in the future.

So, would you recomend this player? I can spend as much as 2k. But don't want to as I don't think I'll see many differences. If you wouldn't recomend this unit would you move up to the 3910? Go with Onkyo/other make?

Thanks for any and all input.

Kevin

I don't want to waste space onthe forum, but wasn't sure if this is worthy of it's one thread. Let me know, for all you natives.

kevinvb11

I have the 3910 & 2910 and am happy with both. IMO, I would feel more comfortable recommending the 2910 at this price point, than spending over twice as much for the 3910. The 2910's picture quality over DVI to my Samsung DLP is alot better than my old Samsung DVD player. I haven't experienced any issues playing DVD-A/SACD through the component cables and am pleased with the results.

Originally posted by kevinvb11
Given that most of the pros and cons have been covered as well as it's shortcoming, would you still buy this player given the cost? For the money ($650), would you ppurchse this same player again? would you opt for different brand of similar quality?

Reason I ask is that I'm in the market for a solid all around player.

I currently have a well used Samsung that clunks skips scenes ocasionally, shows digital artifacts ocassionally and has trouble playing certain CD's at times. Like I said it was been well used even though it's only 1.5 years old.

I not overly picky about video quality so long the image doesn't get digitized and the picture looks reasonably well. I do want accurate sound reproduction for SACD DVD-A material and movie play back. Also I don't to see ANY sync issues, my samsung displays this and it is the most annoying thing and I won't tolerate it..

I've briefly looked through the many pages here and see there is alot of talk about the HDMI/DVI interface which isn't a concern of mine at the moment but may be in the future.

So, would you recomend this player? I can spend as much as 2k. But don't want to as I don't think I'll see many differences. If you wouldn't recomend this unit would you move up to the 3910? Go with Onkyo/other make?

Thanks for any and all input.

Kevin

I certainly would, but I didn't experience the issues some others were having. I'm hooked up to an IF7200.

I get a phenomenal picture on a 110-inch screen with no macroblocking whatsoever. This player is giving me about the best quality the transfer will allow for my setup.

I adjusted from the 0 IRE with a DVE disc, and I couldn't be happier.

I applied the firmware update, but it didn't really make a difference. My picture looked top-notch with the -5 firmware since I wasn't experiencing picture issues.

I intend to eventually upgrade my display to an Optoma H79, but the 2910 is staying put.

Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
I haven't seen any posts regarding the gamma adjustments. Using an oscilloscope and AVIAPro, I played around with some of these settings. If you are having problems with seeing shadow detail, try these settings (DVDs store luminance information as digital levels with 16 being the equivalent of 0 IRE (black) and 235 being the equivalent of 100 IRE (white)). They adjust the luminance slope to increase more steeply at lower IREs.

I also noted using the oscilloscope that the sharpness settings are best left at 0.

You will need to recalibrate brightness and contrast settings after making these changes. If you don't like the results, just switch back to the standard setting.

G0: 16
G1: 40
G2: 64
G3: 89
G4: 113
G5: 137
G6: 162
G7: 186
G8: 210
G9: 235


Hi Kevin,

You meant these settings are only for Component out, so what about if I am using DVI out on this player . Thanks in advance.

Originally posted by ac388
Hi Kevin,

You meant these settings are only for Component out, so what about if I am using DVI out on this player . Thanks in advance.

I think what he (and the manual?) are saying is that the settings dont apply to DVI.

I hope somebody here can explain to me how to use this Gamma adjustment on the 2910, other than to leave it on original factory setting.

Originally posted by ac388
I hope somebody here can explain to me how to use this Gamma adjustment on the 2910, other than to leave it on original factory setting.

If you're not an expert on gamma adjustment, I would leave it the way it is. It can totally screw up your picture.

Originally posted by yatlee
If you're not an expert on gamma adjustment, I would leave it the way it is. It can totally screw up your picture.

....though, if that happens, it is easy to reset the gamma settings on the player to factory defaults. From memory, I think you just press 'Clear' on the remote when you are on the gamma settings submenu and exit by pressing the Picture Adjust remote button. Otherwise, its in the manual.

The gamma adjustment lets you set brightness for specific IRE levels -- think of it like a graphic equalizer for brightness. The normal brightness setting adjusts brightness across all luminance levels. The gamma adjustment lets you just increase brightness for the darker areas of the picture while leaving the brighter levels the same (or visa versa).

The settings I provided increase brightness from 0 to 40 IRE and then follows a standard gamma curve for 40 to 100 IRE.

I think you get 5 memory settings, so just pick one to experiement with. If you don't like it, go back to the one of the other memory settings or to the standard setting (I think it is marked "STD").

My brand new 2910 won't let me assign negative brightness values. M1 through M10 have brightness ranges from 0 to +11. Jason Turk tells me his 3910 does allow negative brightness values needed for our particular combination of projector and screen. Does anyone know if there is a firmware update that will allow negative brightness values on the 2910?

The gamma adjustment lets you set brightness for specific IRE levels -- think of it like a graphic equalizer for brightness. The normal brightness setting adjusts brightness across all luminance levels. The gamma adjustment lets you just increase brightness for the darker areas of the picture while leaving the brighter levels the same (or visa versa).

The settings I provided increase brightness from 0 to 40 IRE and then follows a standard gamma curve for 40 to 100 IRE.

I think you get 5 memory settings, so just pick one to experiement with. If you don't like it, go back to the one of the other memory settings or to the standard setting (I think it is marked "STD").

Kevin:

As I posted above, I'm having problems with washed out images (not terrible, but definitely there) with my Denon 2910/Sharp XV-Z2000 PJ combo. The 2910 won't let me assign negative brightness values under M1 etc. Lowest it will go is zero. Can you recommend some gamma settings I might try? I have the DVE disc and black levels seem correct. Brighter images tend to be washed out-such as scenes from brightly lit rooms or outdoors.

Don't confuse the brightness control with the gamma control -- they are related but not the same thing.

The gamma control is explained fairly well in the manual, so I've attached a copy of the relevant portion of the manual so you can find it.

The gamma control may be able to help you with a washed out look (again only if you are using the component output -- the gamma setting does not effect the DVI or HDMI output).

Erm shouldnt people be leaving the gamma well alone on the player, and doing all this adjustment in the display device?

I thought this was the appropritae way of calibrating?

Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
Don't confuse the brightness control with the gamma control -- they are related but not the same thing.

The gamma control is explained fairly well in the manual, so I've attached a copy of the relevant portion of the manual so you can find it.

The gamma control may be able to help you with a washed out look (again only if you are using the component output -- the gamma setting does not effect the DVI or HDMI output).

It maybe a stupid question. Is it common knowledge that Gamma control will not work for DVI/HDMI for 2910 ? Since I did not see it on the manual.

Originally posted by ChrisWiggles
IRE is a purely analog concept, and so it should only apply to the analog outputs, unfortunately many consumer-grade players and sources wrongly shift digital values around instead of implementing the IRE setup adjustment purely in the analog domain. Thus, the IRE setup option may affect your digital outputs (unfortunately).

I guess if the +7.5 IRE and 0 IRE option does affect the digital outputs, at least the gamma adjustments don't. Being half right if better than being all wrong.

The 2910 manual states (even though you have to dig to find it):

"When HDMI and DVI signals are output, the SHARPNESS (MID/HI), CHROMA DELAY and Gamma correction settings will have no effect."

The gamma settings on the 2910 give you more control than is available on most consumer sets -- short of going into the service menu. Even then, I really like the Denon's ability to specifically control certain luminance levels, and I wish that all display devices offered a similar gamma control.

I'm not suggesting everyone start messing with the gamma control, but because it is so easy to revert back to the standard settings (which is often not the case with a display device), one can experiment with the Denon gamma settings with little risk of totally tanking their PQ.

I just picked up my 2910 yesterday and I am trying to find out which output standard I should be using with my Infocus 7205. I've tried both and don't really see a big difference between Y Cb Cr and RGB. I should have it set to RGB right? I read the super long winded post on voltages and IRE. Come on guys keep it simple.:rolleyes:

Well, this question is unanswerable unless you say how you are connected. Based on your terminology, I have to assume that you are using it correctly(which is a long shot), in which case you are connected via an HDMI cable, to an HDMI input. Is this the case?

Originally posted by Vern Sharp
I just picked up my 2910 yesterday and I am trying to find out which output standard I should be using with my Infocus 7205. I've tried both and don't really see a big difference between Y Cb Cr and RGB. I should have it set to RGB right? I read the super long winded post on voltages and IRE. Come on guys keep it simple.:rolleyes:

FWIW, I asked this same question in the Secrets of Home Theater forum and the response I received I posted here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4722992#post4722992) in this thread a few months back.

Chris,

Sorry, I thought I put that in earlier. Yes I'm running the 2910 into my 7205 using the HDMI connection. Nothing like trying to type with both of your kids interrupting you with questions constantly.:D

what bruce just quoted is solid advice from Kris:

This is just a selection so that you have the option of what piece of equipment does the color space conversion for you. But there may be more to it then that. HDMI is capable of outputting up to 12 bit YCbCr so depending on the video processing, it may be better to output YCbCr and let the display convert to RGB at whatever bit depth it handles. Usually the more information you give a display to work with, the better. So I would recommend outputting YCbCr to be on the safe side. There is a chance that the color space conversion may not be as good in the display but you could always switch between and compare for yourself.

Switch between the two and observe. Check color decoding as well. I would tend to err towards YCbCr if not for the issue of color decoding mis-match that might happen when upconverting. In anycase, if that's not an issue, then I'd err towards YCbCr. Of course use what is objectively better in testing. If no difference, it doesn't matter.

Thanks I will do so right away.:D

I've noticed the bass output is much less while using analog multi channel inputs for DVD movies versus optical connection. Any idea why this is?

braidkid said "I've noticed the bass output is much less while using analog multi channel inputs for DVD movies versus optical connection. Any idea why this is?"



My guess is because your receiver has better bass management. That's why earlier I told you that in my system watching movies sounded better going through the optical cable (Where the receivers processor does the decoding).

Originally posted by braidkid
I've noticed the bass output is much less while using analog multi channel inputs for DVD movies versus optical connection. Any idea why this is?

I would tend to agree with Zen Traveler, but, out of curiosity, do you have the main speakers set to "large" or "small" in the Denon setup? For me, "large" will eliminate output from the subwoofer if I am sending the audio out via analog (this is with 2-channel stereo CDs).

I just finished setting up a home system for my brother using (amongst other things) a Panny 2910 DVD player and a Panny 2805 Receiver with a Optoma H31 projector.

I have the 2910 hooked to the Optoma via HDMI cable and the 2910 to the 2805 with both analogue stereo cables and the PCM digital audio cable. (I also had it hooked up with an optical cable at one point)

The unit works great with normal DVDs, movies, etc. but when I tried to play a DVD-Audio disk. The sound was rather "tinney" and every 5 seconds or so, the sound would chirp. I tried this with Elton John's "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road", Alanis Morrisette's "Under Rug Swept", and Chicago's first album.

I could not get a digital feed when I played the DVD-A. I could only get a standard stereo feed into the receiver. I am thinking I have a defective unit. Is it that or is there some hidden setting that I am missing here.

Thanks,

Barry

I'm curious as to what is really the accurate setting for this player? According to "Secrets" they recommend the "normal" setting which displays the correct black level setting. Has anyone tried the enhanced and if you did what were your conclusions? Personally I'm using the "normal" setting. I originally had it too dark using the "enhanced" setting. With the enhanced setting I was unable to see the flashing bar on the advanced THX pattern and also couldn't see the 3 black bars on AVE.:rolleyes:

I want to throw some heart-felt "thanks a ton" to Kevin Anderson for posting his gamma settings after calibrating his 2910. As posted above, I was having a hell of a time getting things right with my 2910/Sharp XV-Z000 combo. I reset my PJ settings to the same settings used for my satellite feed (Input 1 on the projector now being the same as Input 2 for DVD and satellite respectively after seeing little benefit with DVI-HDMI via the digital input) and then programmed in Kevin's recommended gamma settings. Voila, all my washout problems were gone! I was grinning last night ear to ear. Finally, my DVDs look fantastic, and my Sharp-Vutec Silverstar combo looks plasma-like with punchy 3-D like images. Thanks Kevin.

Originally posted by FSonicSmith
[B]I want to throw some heart-felt "thanks a ton" to Kevin Anderson for posting his gamma settings after calibrating his 2910.

I tested the settings.
From before, my player doesn't pass BTB.
With the gamma settings sugested, I can't even see the 2% black bars on test disk either.
Be careful with those settings as they remove picture information from the displayed picture i dark scenes.

Unfortunately with video, one size seldom fits all.

In case of the suggested gamma settings, whether they work for you or not depends on a number of factors, not the least of which is your display device, whether you are using enhanced or normal black and whether you've elected the 7.5 or 0 IRE setup. Finally, these settings are for NTSC and not PAL.

As suggested, the settings are only to give folks another option to try if they are having trouble getting good detail at low luminance levels. If they don't work for you, you can easily return to the default settings. One of the benefits of the 2910 is that it gives you the flexibility of 5 memory settings.

Does anyone know where I can submit a bug to Denon regarding the firmware on the DVD-2910?

My player was running firmware -5 and I decided to upgrade it to -7. After upgrading it, my TV was no longer able to auto-detect an incoming signal as being 16:9. It would think it was 4:3 and I'd have to adjust the TV to make the picture appear in its original aspect ratio.

Downgrading to -5 would have the TV correctly auto-detecting the incoming signal.

As for some information, I'm running the 2910 to my Sony KD-34XBR960 set (CRT) via component video.

Another poster on here (Octavio) noted the same issue with his 2910 and Sony CRT set. He said he tried firmware -8 and there was still no fix.

Thanks for anyone who might be able to point me in the right direction.

As you know, I have the same problem with a Sony lcd rp. Actually, I'm running the "international" -8 version because we have many region 2 dvd's, and this has the same aspect ratio problem as the -7 and now also the US -8 firmware. The compromise I have reached is to run the 2910 output to both the HDMI and s-video inputs to the TV. The s-video input retains the ability to recognize wide screen and 4:3 content, and the HDMI is always wide screen as long as the 2910 is sending at 720p or 1080i. The s-video is always there and doesn't look so bad on the generally older 4:3 stuff.
The only email address that seems to be useful is -contactservice@denonnj.com

Good luck!
Geoff.

someone wanted this thread bumped up.....here you go!

Originally posted by GeoffW
As you know, I have the same problem with a Sony lcd rp. Actually, I'm running the "international" -8 version because we have many region 2 dvd's, and this has the same aspect ratio problem as the -7 and now also the US -8 firmware. The compromise I have reached is to run the 2910 output to both the HDMI and s-video inputs to the TV. The s-video input retains the ability to recognize wide screen and 4:3 content, and the HDMI is always wide screen as long as the 2910 is sending at 720p or 1080i. The s-video is always there and doesn't look so bad on the generally older 4:3 stuff.
The only email address that seems to be useful is -contactservice@denonnj.com

Good luck!
Geoff.

I still haven't got up the nerve to flash mine with the International firmware. There are several versions floating around and I never did get a confirmation of which one worked on an US region 1 player. would love to try it if I know I have the correct file. I do have quite a few region 2 and region 3 DVDs.

Originally posted by Kevin R. Anderson
I haven't seen any posts regarding the gamma adjustments. Using an oscilloscope and AVIAPro, I played around with some of these settings. If you are having problems with seeing shadow detail, try these settings (DVDs store luminance information as digital levels with 16 being the equivalent of 0 IRE (black) and 235 being the equivalent of 100 IRE (white)). They adjust the luminance slope to increase more steeply at lower IREs.

I also noted using the oscilloscope that the sharpness settings are best left at 0.

You will need to recalibrate brightness and contrast settings after making these changes. If you don't like the results, just switch back to the standard setting.

NOTE: This settings only apply to analog outputs such as component and s-video. The gamma setting does not effect the digital outputs of DVI and HDMI.

G0: 16
G1: 40
G2: 64
G3: 89
G4: 113
G5: 137
G6: 162
G7: 186
G8: 210
G9: 235

Kevin, I'm really interested in trying out your recommendation. I had my Mitz DLP set professionally calibrated last weekend. First off, let me say that the grayscale from my 2910 did NOT match the grayscale patterns from the calibrators Accupel pattern generator. As a result, he set the correct grayscale for all my inputs (using the "High" color temperature setting to do this) and then independently adjusted the grayscale to the "incorrect" grayscale from the DVD player (using the "Low" color temperature setting on my Mitz). He indicated that the only DVD player he had seen that came close to his pattern generator was the Denon 2900 player (he said if could practically be a pattern generator itself). Additionally, my best PQ was obtained at 480p using component. My grayscale inaccuracy was about the same via Component and HDMI, however, the image was too dim via HDMI and the film grain on DVDs a lot more noticable. At the end, we went with Component at 480p, IRE0 and all Denon settings at 0.

Here's my only gripe with the player......the shadow detail is SIMPLY NOT THERE to the degree it needs to be. My calibrator indicated that a big part of this had to do with using a DLP set as opposed to CRT where black level and detail is superior. While this may be the case, I could have sworn that my 5 year old 480i Sony player had better shadow detail. I'm interested to see if your Gamma adjustment helps.

Any other thoughts/recommendations???

I came up with these settings connecting the Y cable of the component (Y-Pb-Pr) output of the 2910 to an oscilloscope and a Samsung DLP. Using AVIAPro and a test pattern showing IRE levels from 0 to 100 in 4 IRE steps, I made the changes to achieve a greater increase in luminance levels at low IREs.

To see how this works for you, put up the "brightness" test screen from the THX Optimizer (see attachment). First set brightness to the correct level. Then, looking at the luminance steps on the top and bottom of the pattern, adjust the lower gamma settings (G0 through G3 or G4) until you see a distinct and even increase in brightness across the lower luminance levels.

You may find the G0 setting at 16 too dark, so just increase it to somewhere between 16 and 40 (remember a lower gamma setting can never be higher than the next gamma setting, e.g., if G1 is set at 40 then G0 can be no higher than 39).

If you can get a test pattern with more resolution in the luminance levels (2-5 IRE steps), you can do a better job of fine tuning the 2910’s gamma settings.

You will probably have to go back and forth between gamma and brightness settings to get it right.

Again, pick one of the 5 memory settings for testing so that you can easily revert to your normal settings if you are unhappy with your experimental results.

While it is hard to beat a quality CRT, I’ve gotten a number of DLPs to resolve the Accupel’s luminance levels in 1 IRE steps (e.g., the projector can resolve the difference between 0 and 1 IRE). You need a room with carefully controlled light and the right gamma table for the DLP, but it can be done.

My only complaint with a DLP’s luminance resolution is that you can see dithering at the lowest levels, but this is generally not a problem if you sitting at the right distance from the screen.

Hi all.

A couple weeks ago I asked if anyone had a summary of what changes were in what revisions of firmware. Apparently such a summary does not exist.

On the Denon website, upon entering my serial number, it is telling me to upgrade to firmware version ESS-6720-8 with a build date of March 2005. It's a US machine so is this revision what people are referring to as -8 firmware?

My player, built in Nov 04, I believe is running -4 firmware. I've seen posts from some people stating that after upgrading to the latest firmware (which version I don't know) they are going back to -5 firmware.

Since the summary doesn't exist, perhaps someone can give me some insight into which firmware would be best for me. I run HDMI to a Sony HS-51 projector (no 720P fix yet if you're familiar with that issue). Audio is SPDIF coaxial to my pre-amp/processor. I've been bouncing back and forth between sending 720P images to the projector and 1080i images. Haven't yet concluded what presents the best DVD image.

Any insight folks would have to what would be best for my situation would be most appreciated. If your recommendation is not the above mentioned firmware, any links you have to the recommended firmware would be helpful as Denon does not seem to keep them all on their site.

Thanks very much,
Nas

If you have a hidef projector go to latest v7/v8.
People going back are only doing so for widescreen sensing issues on TVs, otherwise the latest version is recommended.

So there is a version 8 US out now? I have version 7. If this is the case what does 8 do/fix?

John

version 8 if i'm not mistaking does not solve any issues with player itself. it only resolves an issue with menu problems for certain DVD's (A-Team, i believe). i'm currently running firmware revision -5 with absolutely no problems at all!!!

just my 2 cents.
Carmine

It does not make any sense for Denon to release a firmware upgrade just for a few DVD titles. So, it seems nobody have a clue what each firmware are for n everybody(including me) is uploading this thing to their players blindly. Please tell me if I am wrong.

Originally posted by noizemaker07
version 8 if i'm not mistaking does not solve any issues with player itself. it only resolves an issue with menu problems for certain DVD's (A-Team, i believe). i'm currently running firmware revision -5 with absolutely no problems at all!!!

just my 2 cents.
Carmine


But -7 resolves a nasty black level bug for DVI connections, previous releases also rolled in certain fixes for specific discs, but these were not mentioned in notes (DenonJeff mentioned them). In updating to -8 I noticed a fix in analog 5.1 bass output and small intermittant digital noise 'tear' I was getting.

There have been many fixes in the various releases which were not mentioned in the release notes.

Hello guys, I love this forum. Well ,I bought this dvd player after a year with my momitsu and i find that i get better picture quality over component than dvi/hdmi .I have tried evry firmware there is ,you name it -4,-5,-7,-8 and quality over hdmi is better with -8 firmware but still some green glow and mb is bad on the edges of things , green push?,My tv is a Hitachi 42HDT50 plasma using (dvi to dvi) or (hdmi to dvi) and I didnt notice this with the momitsu,sure the component pq(no mb or gp) is on par with momitsi dvi ,true!! If there is a setting or fw i need to try or tips plz i will glad thx

Originally posted by Benny Nieves
If there is a setting or fw i need to try or tips plz i will glad thx

In the Picture Setup Menu (Button on Remote) have a play with Upping the Hue control when using DVI/HDMI - use one of the Memory registers (M1..... M5) for testing.

Originally posted by btiltman
In the Picture Setup Menu (Button on Remote) have a play with Upping the Hue control when using DVI/HDMI - use one of the Memory registers (M1..... M5) for testing.

Try Hue +2

That is the setting that is supposedly the right color to compensate for any green push.

I just rented Hotel Rwanda and the macro-block in this movie was HORRIBLE, on just about any indoor scene you could see it on the walls, and in the foggy road scene; no exaggeration at least 50% of the screen had pronounced macro-block, some spots on my TV had 6 inches that were all the same color blocks. I don't know if this was the DVD or the Player.. but WOW was that bad. Worst I've ever seen.

I have a 2910 with -7 firmware on a Samsung 4674 connected via HDMI. set to 720P.

Has anyone watched this movie?

Originally posted by kring
Has anyone watched this movie?

I just watched that movie last night. Very touching. Anyway, the difference is that I watched on a 3910 using DVI and 720p. No such MB was visibly noticeable in the scenes you mentioned. I believe the difference in video performance between the 3910 and 2910 are slight.

Its funny you say that. I watched Hotel Rwanda on my Mits DLP a couple of nights ago and I kid you not when I say this – I thought the movie was one of the best I’ve ever seen in terms of clarity on my setup. Call me crazy, but I actually thought it looked better than my 5th Element DVD. There was absolutely no graininess at all…..something that is present and noticeable on the 5th Element DVD. I saw zero macroblocking. I’m running 480p to my set via component (even though I have HDMI capability).

And yes the movie was touching and well done. Not gory at all (for those passing it up for fear of this).

Anyone else played "Bridget Jones Edge of Insanity" on their 2910? The DVD was brand new, no scratches or smudges. The video freezes up in several places. Pretty sure I've got the latest FW (007 I think?) I'm at work now, don't remember the fw version.

Originally posted by kring
I just rented Hotel Rwanda and the macro-block in this movie was HORRIBLE, on just about any indoor scene you could see it on the walls, and in the foggy road scene; no exaggeration at least 50% of the screen had pronounced macro-block, some spots on my TV had 6 inches that were all the same color blocks. I don't know if this was the DVD or the Player.. but WOW was that bad. Worst I've ever seen.

I have a 2910 with -7 firmware on a Samsung 4674 connected via HDMI. set to 720P.

Has anyone watched this movie?


I haven't seen Rwanda, but I do have some definite macroblocking issues with the 2910 and a Samsung 5674. I am beginning to think that this is a display dependent issue as other 2910 owners with displays other than the Samsungs seem to have less macroblocking issues. Anyone else find this to be the case?

I have a Pioneer 4304 and have virtually no macroblocking. It's connected via HDMI. I have heard that the macroblocking is more prevalent via DVI, but not sure of the validity of that issue. I love the Denon/Pioneer combo.

John

Originally posted by buc18
I haven't seen Rwanda, but I do have some definite macroblocking issues with the 2910 and a Samsung 5674. I am beginning to think that this is a display dependent issue as other 2910 owners with displays other than the Samsungs seem to have less macroblocking issues. Anyone else find this to be the case?

I have a Samsung 5063 with the 2910 running -5 firmware and I rarely see any MB. Have you ruled out its being source related? I've come across some poorly transferred DVDs and others very well done, and the difference is quite noticeable. Might that be the issue?

Hello guys if any of you have the -5 fw plz email it to me @ benny45@libertypr.net. Just wanna commpare the green push with all the releases of fw for this player thx.

Benny, you've got mail.

Originally posted by bruce73
I have a Samsung 5063 with the 2910 running -5 firmware and I rarely see any MB. Have you ruled out its being source related? I've come across some poorly transferred DVDs and others very well done, and the difference is quite noticeable. Might that be the issue?

Can you give some examples of the good and the bad? I have found that I can find MB on just about any dvd if I look hard enough. Don't get me wrong, there are some movies that I am very pleased with pq (Incredibles, Moulin Rouge, North by Northwest), but MB is still evident. I am trying my best not to focus in on looking for it and just enjoying the movie experience. Sometimes I wish I was more like my wife (clueless and indifferent):p But then i would never be on this forum either.:D My 2910 and 5674 are hooked up via HDMI by the way (720p).

Tanks bruce73 !!!

I have a 60" Sony GWIII and no macroblocking via DVI at any resolution, although I think the 1080i looks best.

The official -8 Firmware is now out on Denon's support site.

Apparently it only fixes issue with A-team and Starwars DVD's. No luck with Macro Block issues.

Originally posted by Benny Nieves
Tanks bruce73 !!!

You're velcome! :D

Originally posted by buc18
Can you give some examples of the good and the bad? I have found that I can find MB on just about any dvd if I look hard enough. Don't get me wrong, there are some movies that I am very pleased with pq (Incredibles, Moulin Rouge, North by Northwest), but MB is still evident. I am trying my best not to focus in on looking for it and just enjoying the movie experience. Sometimes I wish I was more like my wife (clueless and indifferent):p But then i would never be on this forum either.:D My 2910 and 5674 are hooked up via HDMI by the way (720p).

Perhaps I'm just not so critical as you, or I'm not bothered by MB that much (perhaps I'm more like your wife ;) ) unless it's severe. I do recall that Bourne Supremacy had some really bad MB'ing in the scene where the girl cuts her hair (on the apt. walls) and also in Finding Nemo (deep blue underwater scenes), but I think general consensus on those was bad transfers. Yes, I agree, Moulin Rouge looks great.

I did have an HDMI connection at 720p, but have switched to DVI in order to use the HDMI for my new JVC 5U. I haven't really noticed any profound difference since switching, other than I had to adjust my black level down to 26 (from 38) using DVE.

Here I am again, still living in Canada. Being north of civilization, Denon does not let me download upgraded firmware. Can anyone on the forum find it in him to please e-mail me the latest firmware -8- ?

I would be much obliged. My e-mail: jmpurchases@mac.com

Thank you.

I thought the current firmware that has been out for a while was -8. Mine says 6720-8.

I can't get the subwoofer to work when playing SACDs now. works fine with the digital input on movies. I do not see the sub channel on the 2910 display. Ideas?

Are the main speakers set to "Large" or "Small" in the Denon setup? With my system, running sound through a Yamaha HTR-5450, having them set on Large will lose the subwoofer for SACDs. With digital output, it has no bearing, since the receiver's settings are being used instead of the Denon's.

Originally posted by mingus
I thought the current firmware that has been out for a while was -8. Mine says 6720-8.

I can't get the subwoofer to work when playing SACDs now. works fine with the digital input on movies. I do not see the sub channel on the 2910 display. Ideas?

Yes it's been out since March, I thought I was quoting (and directing that toward) HTBruceM in his earlier comment that he thought he had the latest 007 but it looks like I only posted a new message.

For the SACD, have you gone in and set your speakers to small? Subs don't work when the speakers are set to large. And Flashing the firmware sets the speakers to large by default.

Originally posted by kring
Yes it's been out since March, I thought I was quoting (and directing that toward) HTBruceM in his earlier comment that he thought he had the latest 007 but it looks like I only posted a new message.

For the SACD, have you gone in and set your speakers to small? Subs don't work when the speakers are set to large. And Flashing the firmware sets the speakers to large by default.

main spekers are set to small. Must be something to do with my reciever since i'm not geting any sub when in Tuner mode either.

Hey, is there a way to display a DVD's bit rate on the 2910? I haven't been able to find such an option on any of the menus.

No there isn't.
Not on 3910 either.

Is it possible to have both component and HDMI connections going out from my 2910 to my Sony HDTV CRT? I'm curious to see if I get much of an improved picture by switching to HDMI. I'm also curious to see if I get much out of upscaling.

I'm assuming that if it is possible, I just need to switch through the HDMI/DVI button on the remote.

It will not put out a picture on both at the same time.

Originally posted by tennberg
Is it possible to have both component and HDMI connections going out from my 2910 to my Sony HDTV CRT? I'm curious to see if I get much of an improved picture by switching to HDMI. I'm also curious to see if I get much out of upscaling.

I'm assuming that if it is possible, I just need to switch through the HDMI/DVI button on the remote.

If you have connected Component cables AND HDMI cable to your TV then you can switch between the two.

You have to switch OFF hdmi with the Denon remote to activate the component output, and switch your TV to component, each time to compare. Then of course do the opposite to change back again. This is assuming your component output in the Denon setup menu is set to progressive, which is the default.

If you change your component output on the denon to interlaced you can switch directly between the component and hdmi outputs on the tv without switching HDMI on and off.

Originally posted by btiltman
...If you change your component output on the denon to interlaced you can switch directly between the component and hdmi outputs on the tv without switching HDMI on and off.

Exactly right. And, of course, the same is true for DVI and component/interlaced, which is how I have it set up, so that I can watch my letterboxed SVCDs and older, letterboxed DVDs in Zoom mode by simply switching video outputs on my TV.

Originally posted by mingus
main spekers are set to small. Must be something to do with my reciever since i'm not geting any sub when in Tuner mode either.

Try reinitializing the player. I've found that I've need to do that a few times to resolve issues. I had the same SACD issue. I found that doing a reinitialization, and then only change the speakers to small works perfect every time. If I remember correctly I think in order to change the speakers I had to put the HDMI Audio to stereo? something like that otherwise I couldn't access the speaker menu.

OH OH. And I found that I had to do the +10 base boost when your in the speaker channel/delay configuration... otherwise base is so muted you have to crank up the volume above comfort levels to really feel it.... This is probably your issue now that I'm thinking about it.

Originally posted by kring
Try reinitializing the player. I've found that I've need to do that a few times to resolve issues. I had the same SACD issue. I found that doing a reinitialization, and then only change the speakers to small works perfect every time. If I remember correctly I think in order to change the speakers I had to put the HDMI Audio to stereo? something like that otherwise I couldn't access the speaker menu.

OH OH. And I found that I had to do the +10 base boost when your in the speaker channel/delay configuration... otherwise base is so muted you have to crank up the volume above comfort levels to really feel it.... This is probably your issue now that I'm thinking about it.

Thanks for that. I did get it to work after messing with it. the HDMI needs to be stereo also. Curious about the +10db feature. will look for that. I remember reading something about the sub level being down about 10db when using SACDs.

OK After having my 2910 for 5 months I've been getting fed up with the macro-block issues visible in EVERY DVD I play. I'm not even an enthusiast yet it's constantly in plain sight. new DVD's that are mastered well show horrible MB through out i.e. Incredibles, the Notebook, Hotel Rwanda, LOTR, Lemony Snickets: Unfortnate events. It's especially a poor performer in reds & blacks, Dark scenes just look terreble.

Last night I switched from HDMI 720P to Component video and that completely made the difference. Running the video through component cables had a 10 fold improvment on the picture and practically eliminated macro-blocking. Not only was MB virtually eliminated, the skin tones and general color was on spot!

If I understand this correctly. now that I'm using Component connections is it the TV's internal scaler that's doing the work? If so, why is the 2910's so inferior? I thought they were the same chip?

Now my question would be. Why is the HDMI picture so poor? the image is very stable and sharp, yet it seems to do a bad job with macro-blocking and color. it seems to be grouping similar colors. I have a good gold cable (it cost $60 for a 1M cable). I also have reinitialized the player and all settings are at default. I can confirm that BTB is being passed. and I've tried both 0 & 7.5 IRE.

So am I doing something wrong with HDMI or is the 2910 really that bad?

My TV is a Samsung 4674. and I've used DVE & Avia to calibrate. Is it possible that it's an issue with my TV?

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

kring,

MB can be mitigated with proper calibration. I had issues with "artifacts" appearing when playing poorly transferred DVD's on my 3910. Here's how I greatly reduced artifacts and almost eliminated MB.

I have a Sony GWIII and for some reason, I calibrated using the Vivid setting. This setting basically puts exaggerates colors and puts edge enhancement on the picture. I never noticed it with my old DVD player. However, I think with the quality components of the Denon, the unsightliness was magnified.

Instead, I calibrated using the Pro mode, which is basically a mode that is plain with no edge ehancements or color exaggerations. If your samsung has any of these picture settings, be sure to try to calibrate with the one that does the least amount of modifications to the picture.

Also, if you need to calibrate when switching between component and HDMI. Finally, do you have the latest version of firmware for your 2910??

Hey guys .. I would really appreciate your help on this one. I am unable to get an output through my hdmi on the 2910. I am connected to the Tosh MT700 by hdmi and also a component cable.
When I select HDMI/DVI off on the 2910 then I get the component output .. but when I go to HDMI - nothing. Yes the didgital output on pure direct is set to audio off and video on.
Is it just a bad hdmi cable ?? Your input eagerly awaited..
Thanks again

Did you set your TV to except HDMI? On my Pioneer plasma you have to "enable" HDMI or it won't work.

Originally posted by kring
OK After having my 2910 for 5 months I've been getting fed up with the macro-block issues visible in EVERY DVD I play. I'm not even an enthusiast yet it's constantly in plain sight. new DVD's that are mastered well show horrible MB through out i.e. Incredibles, the Notebook, Hotel Rwanda, LOTR, Lemony Snickets: Unfortnate events. It's especially a poor performer in reds & blacks, Dark scenes just look terreble.


Hi, I've got the D3910 and often sit and "hunt" for MacroBlocking in movies. I find MB quite regular and in most movies.
But, yesterday I saw Lemony Snickets: A series of unfortunate events, and with my hand on my heart, I didn't notice any glitch, MB, artifact or any bad things.
After 10 seconds of the main movie I was stunned over the excellent picture quality.
Through out the whole movie I enjoyed the level of details, sharpness, all the textures in wood, clothes and surfaces.

This movie is my new reference in picture quality so far.
I'm using component progressive.

Originally posted by tor ove
Hi, I've got the D3910 and often sit and "hunt" for MacroBlocking in movies. I find MB quite regular and in most movies.

I would appreciate it if someone could either take a screenshot/picture of a movie scene that has MB. If I have the movie, I will compare and see if I notice the same thing. I do notice slight MB on occasion, but to the average viewer, it's not in any way distracting.

QUESTIONS:

1.) Does this unit have seamless layer change?
2.) Does it play DVD+RW discs?
3.) How does redbook CD playback compare to the Pioneer DV59 or Denon 3910?

Originally posted by mingus
Thanks for that. I did get it to work after messing with it. the HDMI needs to be stereo also. Curious about the +10db feature. will look for that. I remember reading something about the sub level being down about 10db when using SACDs.

I just fired up an SACD last night to take a look at this, and it showed LFE on and the sub was definitely putting out sound. I have front and rear set to large.

Originally posted by mattbugz
I would appreciate it if someone could either take a screenshot/picture of a movie scene that has MB. If I have the movie, I will compare and see if I notice the same thing. I do notice slight MB on occasion, but to the average viewer, it's not in any way distracting. Here you go.
Norwegian av-forum.
I've posted 2 pictures from my dvdplayers.
Look at them and start crying big tears in sympaty.
The top picture is from my Yamaha DvdS550 which cost under a fifth of the pricetag on Denon3910

http://avforum.no/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6896216&highlight=eksponeringstiden#6896216

Buhu!

Originally posted by tor ove
Here you go.
Norwegian av-forum.
I've posted 2 pictures from my dvdplayers.
Look at them and start crying big tears in sympaty.
The top picture is from my Yamaha DvdS550 which cost under a fifth of the pricetag on Denon3910

http://avforum.no/forum/viewtopic.php?p=6896216&highlight=eksponeringstiden#6896216

Buhu!

Wow!! Can you tell me what scene that's from?? I won't sympathize until I can replicate it. :):)

I have heard that the 2910 Samsung DLP combo seems to be prone to macroblocking. I have a Pioneer plasma and as the above poster stated with regard to monitor settings, I am using a "warmer" combination on the Pioneer. I have virtually no macroblocking with my combination. I am running the HDMI at 480P, letting the DCDI do the de-interlacing and the Pioneer do the scaling. This to my eyes is the best picture and avoids scaling twice. I have also heard scaling to 720 or 1080 can introduce more macroblocking, but don't know if that's true or not. I watched "Snatch", the superbit DVD last night and the picture was fantastic.

John

Originally posted by kring
OK After having my 2910 for 5 months I've been getting fed up with the macro-block issues visible in EVERY DVD I play. I'm not even an enthusiast yet it's constantly in plain sight. new DVD's that are mastered well show horrible MB through out i.e. Incredibles, the Notebook, Hotel Rwanda, LOTR, Lemony Snickets: Unfortnate events. It's especially a poor performer in reds & blacks, Dark scenes just look terreble.

Last night I switched from HDMI 720P to Component video and that completely made the difference. Running the video through component cables had a 10 fold improvment on the picture and practically eliminated macro-blocking. Not only was MB virtually eliminated, the skin tones and general color was on spot!

If I understand this correctly. now that I'm using Component connections is it the TV's internal scaler that's doing the work? If so, why is the 2910's so inferior? I thought they were the same chip?

Now my question would be. Why is the HDMI picture so poor? the image is very stable and sharp, yet it seems to do a bad job with macro-blocking and color. it seems to be grouping similar colors. I have a good gold cable (it cost $60 for a 1M cable). I also have reinitialized the player and all settings are at default. I can confirm that BTB is being passed. and I've tried both 0 & 7.5 IRE.

So am I doing something wrong with HDMI or is the 2910 really that bad?

My TV is a Samsung 4674. and I've used DVE & Avia to calibrate. Is it possible that it's an issue with my TV?

I'd appreciate any suggestions.

I tried this tonight with my 2910 and a 5674 and I was pretty much able to eliminate MB as well. Doesn't this kind of defeat the purpose of buying an upscaling player to match the native resolution of my display (720)? I am unable to see a significant drop off in PQ though so I think I will leave it this way so that I don't have to obsess over the MB issue everytime I try to watch a movie. I want to just start enjoying my investment and not focus on the negatives all the time. I am still very impressed with audio capabilities of the 2910.

Originally posted by mattbugz
Wow!! Can you tell me what scene that's from?? I won't sympathize until I can replicate it. :):)

It's from a swedish movie called "Rånarna", Also Known As:
"At Point Blank" (International: English title)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353962/

If you have access to a computer that burns dvd, I could send you the scene via mail. It's about 10mb.

Again, the MacroBlocking issue was shown this bad with Denon 2910 and 3910 with both Infocus X1 and Panasonic AE 700.
When we used the Action Model One mkII projector, the scene was slick as it should be.
So the problem is related to compability issues between Denon2/3910 and different displays.

Originally posted by tor ove
It's from a swedish movie called "Rånarna", Also Known As:
"At Point Blank" (International: English title)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0353962/

If you have access to a computer that burns dvd, I could send you the scene via mail. It's about 10mb.


Hmm...you could send it me. I'll PM you my e-mail. However, if it's 10MB, that means that it's probably compressed with whatever utility you used to extract it from it's original DVD source. That would introduce compression artifacts.

Are you viewing from an original DVD, or a copy (or backup...whatever you want to call it)?? :)

Thanks for the response Skeptic.
Yes my projector is set to HDMI. It detects the signal as 720x60 but there is no image
Yo guys .. really need your help.
I am able to project on my component connection between the MT700 pj and the Denon 2910 - but I am unable to project on my hdmi connection (after I select HDMI on the player and the pj). Any suggestions..?

Originally posted by mattbugz
Hmm...you could send it me. I'll PM you my e-mail. However, if it's 10MB, that means that it's probably compressed with whatever utility you used to extract it from it's original DVD source. That would introduce compression artifacts.

Are you viewing from an original DVD, or a copy (or backup...whatever you want to call it)?? :)

No compression at all!
I've pulled out the few 5 seconds from a whole dvd, the original dvd.
Then I've removed all soundtracks but one. Removed all subtitles.
Marked start and end point just before and after the moon-scene.

So no compression, the file is a nrg-file which is Nero Image File.
The scene has been testet both with the original disc and the Nerofile.
Both these discs display MB on Infocus X1 and Panasonic AE700.
The disc with the test-scene of the moon I'm sending you showed up smoothly on Action Model One mkII.

This is my testscene for MacroBlocking.
I see MB on Denon 3910 with this test-disc, but these days my Denon Player is out for the BTB-upgrade, and I'm currently using my Yamaha-player.
Tested as late as yesterday, and the Yamaha didn't show the MacroBlocking from the test-disc.

Originally posted by tor ove
No compression at all!
I've pulled out the few 5 seconds from a whole dvd, the original dvd.
Then I've removed all soundtracks but one. Removed all subtitles.
Marked start and end point just before and after the moon-scene.

I see. Send it over and I'll test it with my GWIII WE610 (LCD projection). I PM'd you with my email address.

tor ove>> Hi!
Is this macro-blocking issue only via HDMI or DVI? Not via analouge component?
Because I suspect that most low-cost PJs and other displays (below $5000) have quite poor performing processors for digital image signals. There is really no reason to suspect that a PJ for about $1500 (AE700) should have an very advanced processor for treating the incoming digital signal "right". This might be the simple answer to why the Action One PJ performs better...
I believe that the digital inputs of most low cost PJs should be used only if the analouge ones are of lower quality...

Originally posted by arioch
tor ove>> Hi!
Is this macro-blocking issue only via HDMI or DVI? Not via analouge component?
Because I suspect that most low-cost PJs and other displays (below $5000) have quite poor performing processors for digital image signals. There is really no reason to suspect that a PJ for about $1500 (AE700) should have an very advanced processor for treating the incoming digital signal "right". This might be the simple answer to why the Action One PJ performs better...
I believe that the digital inputs of most low cost PJs should be used only if the analouge ones are of lower quality...

Yes the Analog component connections works great, it's the digital HDMI that's flawed and has a great deal of MB.

Nope, this Macroblocking is over component progressive!

Kring....you have a pm

I am also running the 2910/4674 combo through 720P but experience very little macroblocking. Some of the titles you mention Kring - particularly Incredibles and Lemony Snicket seemed to be particularly exceptional transfers so I am not sure why you are experiencing so many problems.

I've watched ~50 DVD's with this setup and the only DVD that I have noticed severe MB issues with so far is Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone else have a problem with this DVD? It was during the scene at dusk where they go out to meet the desert bandits. No amount of calibration was able to remove the severe MB in that scene.

Originally posted by tenderfoot
I am also running the 2910/4674 combo through 720P but experience very little macroblocking. Some of the titles you mention Kring - particularly Incredibles and Lemony Snicket seemed to be particularly exceptional transfers so I am not sure why you are experiencing so many problems.

I've watched ~50 DVD's with this setup and the only DVD that I have noticed severe MB issues with so far is Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone else have a problem with this DVD? It was during the scene at dusk where they go out to meet the desert bandits. No amount of calibration was able to remove the severe MB in that scene.

Are you using DVI or HDMI? I am using HDMI and have MB issues as well (with a 5674). When you watch The Incredibles and you get to the scene where Dash and his mom are in the principal's office, look at the walls behind them and see if you see MB. Shrek 2 is another animated film with lots of MB on my set up. It pretty much disappears with the component connection.

Originally posted by tenderfoot
I am also running the 2910/4674 combo through 720P but experience very little macroblocking. Some of the titles you mention Kring - particularly Incredibles and Lemony Snicket seemed to be particularly exceptional transfers so I am not sure why you are experiencing so many problems.

I've watched ~50 DVD's with this setup and the only DVD that I have noticed severe MB issues with so far is Flight of the Phoenix. Anyone else have a problem with this DVD? It was during the scene at dusk where they go out to meet the desert bandits. No amount of calibration was able to remove the severe MB in that scene.

OK last night I was studying the TV up close and I think I've identified the TV as the root cause for the MB issues. it seems that the TV is ghosting/burning in previous video frames. for some reason it's not completely releasing the previous image. for instance. If I dispay an image with considerable contrast such as the THX logo, black backgroud with bright logo, or the DVE menus. If I stop the player, go to another scene or even turn it off. I can still make out the the entire image on the screen up close. I can then start playing another video and the image will remain there until those specific pixels are hit with a new image.

I'll post the specifics on how to reproduce this, but for now: using DVE, view the menu (which has the blue and bright white background) then jump to either the pludge or the 50/50 black/white test image, and in the black area's you can still make out the DVE menu where the brightest portions were located.

It's like the portions brighter then 50% will never return back to complete black, they only go back to about 5% and will stay indefinitly until the next scene changes the pixels.

does anyone know the cause of this? is my TV defective? it seems odd that a TV with a digital DLP design could cause ghosting like this. it really looks like phosphorus burn in on CRT tubes.

Now that I can see that the TV is not transmitting the real signal and it's lagging behind, I can see why MB is so visible to me even though the DVD player may be sending black or BTB, the TV is still leaving a faint color... I'd estimate it's off by about 5% based on the Pludge screen's bars, it's brightness is between the 1st and second bar.

I apologize ahead of time for jumping into this thread without reading all 70 previous pages. :rolleyes:

But a question came up in the flat panel thread about players using the Faroudja 2301/2310 chips, which I believe is causing macroblocking in all the brands that are using them. Yes? No?

So I was wondering if the issue has been addressed by the player manufacturers in a manner that is satisfactory to you gurus. :)

Originally posted by buc18
Are you using DVI or HDMI? I am using HDMI and have MB issues as well (with a 5674). When you watch The Incredibles and you get to the scene where Dash and his mom are in the principal's office, look at the walls behind them and see if you see MB. Shrek 2 is another animated film with lots of MB on my set up. It pretty much disappears with the component connection.

I'm using HDMI. I just took a look at the pricipal's office scene and on close examination of the walls I can see a little bit of banding there, but zero MB.

On the opening scene of the 'Gladiators', where the battle took place in a dark forest, all those moving noise in the sky, are they MB or FPN ??? I know for sure they are not VB, since the noises are not straight lines.
Can they be remove in some way. Thanks .

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Is there a link to somewhere where i can see screenshots of all these various "video errors". I wish to be certain of which error is being to displayed so that i am better able to problem-solve my display/player.

Thanx.

If anyone has experienced lip sync problems on their DVD players, please help us all by visiting the thread listed below and contributing your information.
LIP SYNC PROBLEM DATA COLLECTION (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=537705)

Thank you for taking the time to contribute to this project. :)

I now have a brand new bug!!!
I'm running -7 firmware and am seeing the player stop and display chapter 01:29 before returning to the start of the movie. It does this on all DVDs and at different parts of the movie but it always displays the same chapter message before it stops. It just started last night 5/7. I have:
1. cleaned all discs
2. verified setup
3. power cycled
4. removed player from power source.

I've had the player since nov/04 and I bought it from a local distributor.
Before I contact the local guy or denon I need your advice or experiences.

Thanks guys!

Did you enter the re-initialize sequence after the upgrade sequence?

(sorry duplicate posting)

HumanMedia:

Yes the upgrade went according to instructions and was reinitialized as best I remember. I have played many disks without error since the upgrade.

thanks for the thought!!

Originally posted by HumanMedia
Did you enter the re-initialize sequence after the upgrade sequence?

Please advise the step to re-initialize. Thanks.

Originally posted by tenderfoot
I'm using HDMI. I just took a look at the pricipal's office scene and on close examination of the walls I can see a little bit of banding there, but zero MB.

Agreed with Tenderfoot, no MB whatsoever on the Principal's office scene. My setup is 2910 with Panny AE500 thru DVI.

Quick question: Sorry if this has been asked before but it's hard to sort through these 1400 posts. Are there any issues with black crush or otherwise on this player? I can't imagine spending that much on a player only to find that is less than amazing for dvd playback. I have been wanting a DVI player for a long time, but all the low end players have had issues, so I've been using my PC for DVI dvd for the last year. I'll be using it with my Sanyo Z2 projector.

kring,


Any luck with the ghosting/burning issue? I have the same problem.

Shagnwagon...
I personally don't have "Black Crush" problems with this player, but what seems to be happening is that this player paired with various displays causes different problems.

I have this player paired with a Pioneer 4340 plasma. Firmware -5. NO Macro Blocking and no black crush. Using HDMI to HDMI 720p.

I previously was using Component @ 480i and had no problems either.
The picture with HDMI is MUCH better then component in my particular setup.

I think you will have to try the 2910 out with your display to find out if there are any problems.

I think it's safe to say that the DVD-2910/Pioneer Plasma combo works great! Any other Pioneer owners have a different opinion?

Some firmware Revs had something like black crush (V -6 over DVI/HDMI - fixed in v7/8) and much earlier versions didnt pass black properly.

Getting the latest firmware fixes all of these, but there are still some problems that occur on some equipment combinations, like not providing the right analog cues for autoresizing on some sets, and macroblocking on particular plasma/player combination. That said, for the majority of setups the 2910 works very well and is problem free.

Have a read through this forum for more details.

reloaded -7 fw and reinitialized. Player halts & displays chapter :01/29 and then returns to beginning of movie - all movies!!

I guess I now go to the local distributor & denon.

Wish me luck!!

Originally posted by ac388
Agreed with Tenderfoot, no MB whatsoever on the Principal's office scene. My setup is 2910 with Panny AE500 thru DVI.

Okay....after doing some experimenting this past weekend I have found that w/HDMI @720p on my Samsung 5674=macroblocking issues. However, by changing to 480p(HDMI) it seems to pretty much clear up these issues.

One scene that really gave me a great comparison was the hair cutting/love scene from the Bourne Identity. At 720p the MB on the walls behind them made the scene nearly unwatchable. At 480p it was virtually eliminated. I am okay with leaving my 2910 at 480p because the PQ is very good, but I purchased this player to match up to the 5674's native resolution of 720p.

I don't think this is an issue with my HDMI cable as it does fine at 480p. I am just confused as to why there is a problem w/720p. I am assuming that it is a display issue but I am curious to find out if other people out there with the same setup as me experiences these problems and if not......why me:(

This is exactly what I discovered several months ago. These findings seem to be fairly consistent with what I've been reading about Denon upconverting players (1910, 2910 & 3910) and Samsung DLP combinations (when connected at 720p or 1080i through DVI or HDMI) Although the level of macroblocking noise varies significantly between the 1910 (very bad) and 2910 (tolerable). I expect the 3910 to be similar to the 2910 in this regard, although I have not tested it in my system (and again, I'm only talking about upconverted digital video through DVI or HDMI to Samsung DLP's...I have no doubt that on other displays, the 3910's video quality is close to perfect). I suppose I've learned to live with it, and some DVDs are worse than others, but when its there, I always notice it.

So the question becomes, why spend $650+ on an upconverting player to output at 480p? I'm really curious to know whether the Pioneer 59avi exhibits these issues through HDMI with Samsung DLP's. I might consider switching if someone can convince me I wont have the same problems.

For me, MB only happened on a certain scene on a certain movie, when it happens it does not matter on 480P, 720P or 1080i. I just finished watching the 'Phantom of the Opera' dvd, which had a lot of dark scene in it, I did not see MB for once n the picture is beautiful, except the color is a bit too warm.

The more I think about it, if I spend too much time worrying about MB on 1 or 2 particular scene, it just took the fun away from movie watching. To go back to that particular scene in 'Gladiator' I mentioned on my previous post, no projector or DVD player that I know can remove those MB or FPN, so what are we gonna do ?

CarlosC asked, "So the question becomes, why spend $650+ on an upconverting player to output at 480p?".

Because you are still using the "all digital" transfer when using DVI or HDMI.

What you would need to compare is 480p via Component VS 480p via HDMI or DVI. If the Component looked the same or better then it would not be worth it to spend the money on this player.

It was interesting to find that with my Pioneer Plasma/2910 combo,
480i over Component looked 100% better then 480p over Component.

But, via HDMI-HDMI 720p looks better then the component connection.

I just had to figure this out!! I went back for the second time to double check all buttons on my remote for an accidental setting - found it!!!.

Seach mode button was the culprit although the manual did not say how to clear or disengage this function. Upon hitting the seach mode button the chapter setting display was the same when the player abruptly stopped on all disks.

Does anybody use this feature? I sure could use an explanation (better than the manual) how this is supposed to work.

I am glad it was not the player - just a stupid user -- ME!!

Thanks guys/girls (PC)

This is a massive thread. Has someone made a post that lists the pros and cons of this player?

I'm considering it again after owning a Sony 975 which is a great player for it's price but makes me very nervous that it may fail anytime.

Originally posted by oink
kring,
Any luck with the ghosting/burning issue? I have the same problem.

No Luck yet, just havn't had the time to call Samsung on this. I'll try and get to it this week and post my findings.

New US firmware today!

Upgrades listed for this one (v. 9) are as follows:
1. Corrects for a programmed CD playback problem with discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Corrects for playback on "Raging Bull" disc.
3. HDMI improvement when connected to displays with EDID memory over 258 bytes.
4. Corrects for playback on "River Dance" disc PAL version.
5. General improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.

Sounds good, much better than the last FW release. A little explanation on the EDID memory would be appreciated if anyone can shed a little light on what that really means.

Always love to hear about a "general improvement" though.

i agree about the explanation of EDID memory. does sound like a good firmware update though. especially "general improvement of HDMI connection".
mine is updated already!!! haven't tested it out yet though.
will post any noticeable differences (if any - I HOPE!!)..


thanks for the heads up dacoop1!!!!

Carmine.

E.D.I.D. stands for EXTENDED DISPLAY IDENTIFICATION DATA for anyone that might be wondering. don't know if my Sony 55XS supports or has any of this memory.

Originally posted by dacoop1
New US firmware today!

Upgrades listed for this one (v. 9) are as follows:
1. Corrects for a programmed CD playback problem with discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Corrects for playback on "Raging Bull" disc.
3. HDMI improvement when connected to displays with EDID memory over 258 bytes.
4. Corrects for playback on "River Dance" disc PAL version.
5. General improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.


Interesting. This is almost exactly what the fixes were for the new firmware released for the 3910.

Does the 2910 up-convert in component as well as HDMI?


Craig

Originally posted by dacoop1
New US firmware today!

Upgrades listed for this one (v. 9) are as follows:
1. Corrects for a programmed CD playback problem with discs with at least 10 tracks.
2. Corrects for playback on "Raging Bull" disc.
3. HDMI improvement when connected to displays with EDID memory over 258 bytes.
4. Corrects for playback on "River Dance" disc PAL version.
5. General improvement when connecting HDMI to a TV or projector.

Sounds good, much better than the last FW release. A little explanation on the EDID memory would be appreciated if anyone can shed a little light on what that really means.

Always love to hear about a "general improvement" though.

Interesting . . .

Does this mean there are no remaining issues with the 2910?

Originally posted by suffolk112000
Does the 2910 up-convert in component as well as HDMI?


Craig

Nope, only upconverts over DVI or HDMI. HDCP issues, gotta love copyright protection. 480p is the best you get over component.

Originally posted by yobob
Interesting . . .

Does this mean there are no remaining issues with the 2910?

I haven't gotten a chance to test the new firmware, I just downloaded to my usb drive at work. I don't think anyone will ever be able to claim that there are no remaining issues with any DVD player, but hopefully this will make things better. I don't really have any significant problems with the issues that the 2910 had before the new firmware so any improvements would be just that much better. That being said, I would be absolutely amazed if everybody's problems were gone with this or any firmware release.

A kind soul that sends the -9 FW to benny45@libertypr.net . Thanks very much.




Benny.

how do you get the firmware onto the dvd player? I know i should know this! but im confused? is it in the manual?

Also i cant find what BLACK CRUSH and MACROBLOCKING mean and what do they look like? short explaination would be awesome! thanks guys

Originally posted by wicked_ride
how do you get the firmware onto the dvd player? I know i should know this! but im confused? is it in the manual?

The download is a zipped file that includes a .cfw file (the actual firmware file) and a pdf that explains in mostly comprehensible english how to go about upgrading. The short of it is that you burn the cfw to a cd, put the cd in the player, let it do its thing, then initialize the player by a sequence of button presses. Really easy, just make sure you follow all the steps and take your time. Shouldn't take you more than 15 minutes to do, including burning the cd. Re-calibrate afterwards and you're good to go.

where is this file located? i assume on the denon site?

i got the player, but havent hooked it up to my sanyo z3 yet. I will do the updates before doing so.

Can someone put the v9 up so those that can not access can get it? I can host if no one else can.

bump

Is the V-9 U.S. or international version ?

How is it different from V-8 international version ?

Hope Kris can help us on this one !!!

:D :D :D

The new firmware on the Denon search page is ID'd as: "ESS-6720-A, May 2005."

This is -9, correct? The .pdf file is labeled "V9", but I just want to be sure.

Also, the last upgrade I did was -5, which I had mailed to me. The instructions that came with the disc did not mention "initialize" as the fourth and final step. All went well. Is this step really necessary or not?

After running the updated firmware and firing up my infamous macroblocking hair cutting scene from the Bourne Identity via HDMI at 720p, I found no change. It is still very bad. Changing it to 480p clears it up. So I don't know what the HDMI upgrade was supposed to fix, but I don't see any improvements. Denon is very vague as to what this is actually supposed to "improve", but as far as I can tell with the 2910 and Samsung 5674, the MB still exists. I am interested in seeing if anyone sees any improvement with the new firmware, especially Sammy DLP owners.

just upgraded to -9fw and so far can't see any improvements.

But that pesky bug still persists!!! Cannot disengage search mode!!!

To watch a dvd I now have to engage the display banner with the chapter highlighted in yellow. During playback the chapter display keeps jumping from the current chapter to chapter 1 and back & forth intermittently.

On some disks I can turn display off and the red hand icon flashes on and then off repeatedly during playback.

I turn repeat off but the bug still persists - nasty bug!!!

I will contact the denon rep monday.

any ideas or advice?

thanks ya'll

Upgraded to the -9 (A) this morning, but since I'm now connecting via DVI, haven't seen any changes.

"Initialize", I've learned, simply resets the unit to factory defaults. It isn't required to finalize the upgrade.

buc18: I have a Sam 5063 and that scene in BI you speak of is the same one I would reference as an example of terrible MB'ing. You're right, switching to component is better, but not great, IMHO. Since I've yet to see on any other DVD MB'ing that bad (but I'm now connecting via DVI instead of HDMI), would it be fair to suggest that it's a source issue rather than a player one?

I'm curious now; I may go rent BI this afternoon and see how that scene looks with DVI @ 720p.

Originally posted by bruce73
Upgraded to the -9 (A) this morning, but since I'm now connecting via DVI, haven't seen any changes.

"Initialize", I've learned, simply resets the unit to factory defaults. It isn't required to finalize the upgrade.

buc18: I have a Sam 5063 and that scene in BI you speak of is the same one I would reference as an example of terrible MB'ing. You're right, switching to component is better, but not great, IMHO. Since I've yet to see on any other DVD MB'ing that bad (but I'm now connecting via DVI instead of HDMI), would it be fair to suggest that it's a source issue rather than a player one?

I'm curious now; I may go rent BI this afternoon and see how that scene looks with DVI @ 720p.

If you do, keep me posted. I have my STB hooked up DVI so I have to use the HDMI for the 2910. But I am glad to know that scene gives other 2910 users fits as well......no offense :D

Originally posted by bruce73
Upgraded to the -9 (A) this morning, but since I'm now connecting via DVI, haven't seen any changes.

"Initialize", I've learned, simply resets the unit to factory defaults. It isn't required to finalize the upgrade.

buc18: I have a Sam 5063 and that scene in BI you speak of is the same one I would reference as an example of terrible MB'ing. You're right, switching to component is better, but not great, IMHO. Since I've yet to see on any other DVD MB'ing that bad (but I'm now connecting via DVI instead of HDMI), would it be fair to suggest that it's a source issue rather than a player one?

I'm curious now; I may go rent BI this afternoon and see how that scene looks with DVI @ 720p.

Seems to me that the "Initialize" step would be very important. If various changes were made, how else could they be changed without resetting?

I would love to try the latest firmware if anyone can help.

originally posted by mingus
Seems to me that the "Initialize" step would be very important

You would think. Turning the player OFF/ON with the drawer still out, finalizes the upgrade. This is the answer I received from Denon.

Hey guys...I just picked up a demo 2910 this afternoon and appear to be having some problems. I don't know if I'm missing something simple, but for some reason I cannot get into many of the sub-menu functions as they are blacked-out...

Edit: Problem fixed

Hey folks, new to the forum and my first post. Purchased a 2910 dvd player and a benq 7700 projector last week. Hooked everything up and I could run component video between the two units but could not get HDMI working (just said HDMI searching). Similar to post 1388. I did change the output on the denon to HDMI (both flavors). Brought the dvd player and cable back to the store and connected successfully over hdmi to one of their projectors. The problem pointed to the projector. I really didn't want to de-install the unit and send it out unless I was really sure it was the problem. I saw yesterday that denon had new firmware that could address HDMI issues. Upgraded the denon today with the new firmware but still could not get HDMI to work between the two units. I then bought a dvi to hdmi adaptor at my local store. Connected to the denon via dvi and to the benq via hdmi and it worked. My hdmi interface was indeed working (thank god I did not de-install it and ship it out). Now, does anyone know why the denon and benq cannot talk natively over HDMI? I have no clue. If I stay with this arrangement, do I lose anything in the video quality? thanks for your help.

Originally posted by goldear
...It didn't come with a manual...

Chris, generally speaking, sub-menus aren't available when they don't support whatever is chosen above them in the hierarchy. Are you in the STOP mode when you try to access SETUP?

At any rate, you can download a manual here (http://www.usa.denon.com/catalog/pdfs/DVD2910%20DFU3.pdf) . Hopefully that'll explain things.

Originally posted by bruce73
You would think. Turning the player OFF/ON with the drawer still out, finalizes the upgrade. This is the answer I received from Denon.


I had a more elaborate sequence in the Read Me I had from Denon, invloving certain keys held down on Power up to do the proper initialization (?)

yes, i followed the included instructions with the firmware revision & initialized my player that way.

Thanks Bruce. I actually found the problem (which was related to what you said). Since I'm not using the HDMI...and the vendor who had it before me was, the HDMI setup disabled all those functions. Like I said, it's always something simple...but I didn't bother with the HDMI feature since I wasn't employing it. A couple hours of trial and error proved fruitful:) And I also downloaded the manual and the new upgrade if I need it. Thanks

Hi, I can't find the "Denon search page" So I can't find the latest FW...

Can someone ----Please---- post proper instructions about how to get this v9 firmware?

Does anyone know if this firmware works in a European (pal) player?

Thank you very much...

hey conan. i know on DENON USA's website down near the very bottom of the page you will see a link to "PRODUCT UPGRADES". that is where you can find your downloads for your particular product. unfortunately, i cannot answer your second question as i'm not sure if it works with PAL.

good luck
Carmine

Originally posted by HumanMedia
I had a more elaborate sequence in the Read Me I had from Denon, invloving certain keys held down on Power up to do the proper initialization (?)
Right, powering up, then, while holding Play and FF Skip, hold Open/Close for three seconds. This is the instruction in the .pdf file with the downloaded upgrade, which definitely implies that it's part of the update process. I had the -5 mailed to me a few months ago, and the instructions included didn't mention that final, fourth step (Initialization). When I wrote Denon about that, the reply was that Initialization only resets user settings to factory defaults and wasn't necessary to complete the update.

Originally posted by noizemaker07
hey conan. i know on DENON USA's website down near the very bottom of the page you will see a link to "PRODUCT UPGRADES". that is where you can find your downloads for your particular product. unfortunately, i cannot answer your second question as i'm not sure if it works with PAL.

good luck
Carmine

Originally posted by king conan
Hi, I can't find the "Denon search page" So I can't find the latest FW...

Can someone ----Please---- post proper instructions about how to get this v9 firmware?

Does anyone know if this firmware works in a European (pal) player?

Thank you very much...

http://www.usa.denon.com/support/upgrades.asp

only if you send me a copy ;)

Or even better:
http://www.usa.denon.com/support/downloads/D21ZSAVD.zip

thank you!

Now let's wait If in Pal players work or not...

I guess after the upgrade the players are Region 1 encoded, is that right?

Probably some of you had installed the -v8 region hacked FW, After using the -V9 are you back in region 1?

Thanksss

I just got a (demo) 2910 this weekend and it was made in September of 2004. Does anyone know if this most recent upgrade (V9) will also install any of the previous upgrades my 2910 may have missed...or will I have to install those seperately? Thanks.

Originally posted by scannerman
just upgraded to -9fw and so far can't see any improvements.

But that pesky bug still persists!!! Cannot disengage search mode!!!

To watch a dvd I now have to engage the display banner with the chapter highlighted in yellow. During playback the chapter display keeps jumping from the current chapter to chapter 1 and back & forth intermittently.

On some disks I can turn display off and the red hand icon flashes on and then off repeatedly during playback.

I turn repeat off but the bug still persists - nasty bug!!!

I will contact the denon rep monday.

any ideas or advice?

thanks ya'll

Learn anything new after speaking with Denon? My 2910 Started doing this for the first time a few weeks ago (at least that's when I first noticed), except the only time the player returns to chapter 1 is when I've left the disc paused for about 30 seconds. As long as I don't press pause I can watch any DVD straight thru with no problems.

This could be due to an errant button press on the remote, but I have no idea which button or how to undo it. Or perhaps a change within the menu settings (like a screen saver mode)? I've never performed any firmware upgrades, so that's not it.

-Corey

Originally posted by goldear
Does anyone know if this most recent upgrade (V9) will also install any of the previous upgrades my 2910 may have missed...or will I have to install those seperately? Thanks.

No, you don't.
The firmwares are just like a recipy for apple pie.
Each time a new firm/recipy comes out, it includes all the previous ingredients, and has added a few more for even better taste.

Usually if you didn't like the newest firm/recipy, you could install a previous firm instead. But with the newest B version over 3 discs you can not revert to any firm prior to the 3-disc-install.

Is this the 2910 macroblocking problem that people talked about here?
Those red/green areas in background?
I thought it's my plasma problem.....maybe not.
http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/1116200369.jpg

http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/111620036903.jpg

Here is a nice screenshot.
First from yamaha,
second from denon

http://avforum.no/forum/download.php?id=6205

http://avforum.no/forum/download.php?id=6206

These pictures are of the extreme regarding macro blocking.
But it's meant to surely illustrate macro blocking if some one isn't sure what macro blocking looks like.

Wow !!! That looks like serious problem for you guys. Maybe I am lucky, I never have MB to that degree on my Panny plasma n LCD projector.

:p

Hi All!

I have had my 2910 since Sept last year and have been very happy with it. I have it hooked up via DVI to my 50" Panny 7UY plasma.

Last week I started running into the following issue:

When I get my system into DVD play mode, I am not seeing the typical blue background on my plasma. I am getting a "No Signal" display. Fine I recheck all the connections and settings and everything appears to be in order.

I then dig a bit deeper. Insert disc ("Shark Tales") into player, usually you get info about the disc coming up on the LCD display. Instead, I hear the player motor running as if it is searching for something and it continues to do this 10 secs or more. I hit the play button on the DVD and info on the LCD flashes up briefly and then disappears. Through all this there is still nothing displayed on the plasma screen.

Any other trouble shooting I should do before contacting Denon?

Thanks in advance!

greg <8-)

Originally posted by ac388
Wow !!! That looks like serious problem for you guys. Maybe I am lucky, I never have MB to that degree on my Panny plasma n LCD projector.

:p


yeah, it can be pretty bad, but this was an extreme case.


however, with all the MB, notice the detail difference from the Denon to Yamaha (the moon is very detailed in the denon, looks like a white blob in the yamaha)...that is certainly a verity as well.

I personally would probably live with the occasional MB in dark scenes for more detail....but then again, I don't suffer from MB:p

Originally posted by ssabripo

however, with all the MB, notice the detail difference from the Denon to Yamaha (the moon is very detailed in the denon, looks like a white blob in the yamaha)...that is certainly a verity as well.


Please, don't pay attention to the details in the moon!!
I've taken the pictures my self and my camera read the light values a bit different on the pictures. The Yamaha picture is a bit over exposed, and I guarantee you that Yamaha has just as much detail in the moon as Denon.

The pictures are taken mainly to show how MB looks like. That's also why I selected this scene, caus it's the worst I've seen, but really show what MB looks like.

Originally posted by clasher
Is this the 2910 macroblocking problem that people talked about here?
Those red/green areas in background?
I thought it's my plasma problem.....maybe not.
[IMG]http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/1116200369.jpg[IMG]

[IMG]http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/111620036903.jpg[IMG]

yes...that's MB.

I actually see some of that in some HD signals as well, but very little....and almost never on the 3910....

but yes, those red blocks are what we refer to as MB

Originally posted by ssabripo
yes...that's MB.

I actually see some of that in some HD signals as well, but very little....and almost never on the 3910....

but yes, those red blocks are what we refer to as MB

Thanks.
So if I change to another dvd player that does not use the Faradouja chip, for example the Pioneer, then these MB should go away? Or not so obvious at least?

Originally posted by oink
kring,
Any luck with the ghosting/burning issue? I have the same problem.

Originally posted by kring
No Luck yet, just havn't had the time to call Samsung on this. I'll try and get to it this week and post my findings.

I called Samsung and they said it should not be doing that, it should return to full even black, it should not hold on to any remenaints of the previous frame. They setup a service call but they won't be out until next week.. I'll post an update then.

Originally posted by clasher
Is this the 2910 macroblocking problem that people talked about here?
Those red/green areas in background?
I thought it's my plasma problem.....maybe not.

http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/1116200369.jpg

http://www.avbuzz.com/bbs/av/av-uploads/2005/05/16/111620036903.jpg

I'm not a professional, but that looks like an issue with the plasma tv going bad. it looks like it's layered over the video signal, where as MB is the video signal. My guess is your plasma is the issue. How long have you had your Plasma? since they are only good for a few years, it looks like yours might be approching end of life. They most comonly start to fade-out/burn-in to greenish or yellowish tint in blotchy areas like that. do you notice it on any other signals? do you have a highdef signal to view? or do you have a test DVD like DVE to view an all white scene?

Originally posted by kring
I'm not a professional, but that looks like an issue with the plasma tv going bad. it looks like it's layered over the video signal, where as MB is the video signal. My guess is your plasma is the issue. How long have you had your Plasma? since they are only good for a few years, it looks like yours might be approching end of life. They most comonly start to fade-out/burn-in to greenish or yellowish tint in blotchy areas like that. do you notice it on any other signals? do you have a highdef signal to view? or do you have a test DVD like DVE to view an all white scene?

My plasma is only 2 months old. If viewing TV signal, there's no problem. An all white signal is also perfect, no tint of any color.

I tested it with a pioneer tonight, the result is much better. HDMI in with 720p. The Matrix still got some, but a lot less obvious. Others DVDs look good to me. So I guess it's the 2910 problem with this plasma.

I wonder if the same MB will happen on a LCD flat panel TV, since it did not affect my Panny LCD projector.

kring:


thanx for the update.

i will be calling samsung too.

Do you know what are the differences between the european Unit and the american unit apart from region code??

If american box can do PAL and I can make it region code free.. do you think I'd have any problem with an american unit here in Europe?

Prices are much higher down here and I'm considering getting one from the states.

BTW, I'd be connecting the dvd to a Fuji Plasma through DVI-D (in case it matters)

thx,

OK, I have not had the samsung appointment yet, but I was doing some calibration last night and noticed that my brightness was up a little too high so when I was in a fully black scene, instead of the screen being completely black I could see the green flies while up close, it wasn't much, but it was visible, I only needed to drop my brightness by 9 points but it was enough to make a difference in dark scenes, by adding about another 2-4% contrast in dark scenes, it made a big difference. It seems that I need to revist the calibration monthly as I've had this unit since January and I've needed to calibrate it 5 times now, after the first 100 hours I did my first calibration and my brightness needed to be 47 and color was 70. now I'm down to brightness of 30 and color of 52. Each time moving down a few points. I thought it would go the other way, but oddly as the bulb builds up life it gets brighter? seems backwards to me but oh well. I'd say that in all we probably have 1500 hours on the unit.

Now for the Ghosting issue, I am still able to easily reproduce it by going on DVE to chapter 12-15 where there's the blue screen with the bright white vertical lights on both sides of the screen. when I click play and it goes to a gray screen (i believe it's the 20% white screen) it's not perfectly smooth gray, i can fully make out the picture almost like it's an embossed photo. now the reason I know it's the TV is because if I bring up the TV's menu, then turn it off, the menu is now embossed/burnt into the Gray. I can see an embossed image of the background of the DVE chapter and the menu, I can even make out the lettering and Icons of the TV's menu. So this leads me to beleive that the TV is the cause. I could also make this out standing 4-ft away from the TV, between 5 & 6 ft I could still make it out slightly even with my glasses off. turing up and down the brightness had no effect nor did changing DNIe. above 20% gray it seems to go away.

If anyone else has DVE I'd like to know if you can reproduce this. To me having this ghosting of the previosly displayed image in the 1-20% range of brightness will definitly cause the macroblocking issues I'm seeing in dark scenes.

I know i've repeated some of what I said previously but that thread is quite far back :)

error

My problem has gotten much worse now. Instead of the 2910 jumping back to chapter one only after being paused for 30 seconds, it now randomly jumps back to chapter one even during playback of movies and audio discs.

I upgraded to the latest firmware in hopes that the re-initialization would correct the problem, but no dice. I've even left it unplugged for 20 minutes, but no improvement.

Has anyone else seen this problem? I'm afraid mine's going to have to go back for repair.

-Corey

Originally posted by Vern Sharp
I'm curious as to what is really the accurate setting for this player? According to "Secrets" they recommend the "normal" setting which displays the correct black level setting. Has anyone tried the enhanced and if you did what were your conclusions? Personally I'm using the "normal" setting. I originally had it too dark using the "enhanced" setting. With the enhanced setting I was unable to see the flashing bar on the advanced THX pattern and also couldn't see the 3 black bars on AVE.:rolleyes:

I am curious too. I connect my 2910 to a Panasonic PT-AE500 projector via DVI running at 720p. I have set the Black Level to Enhanced, rather than Normal, as the player then uses a wider range of RGB levels, which logically seems to the better option but I am prepared to concede to a more informed argument. If I switch between Enhanced and Normal the Enhanced setting does seems darker than Normal but I am still able to calibrate the black level using DVE. I have found though that the settings in the Picture Adjust menu are critical. If the STD is used then the output is much too dark with the Enhanced Black Level, to the point that I am unable to calibrate black correctly with DVE. If I choose one of the user settings (M1-M5) then everything is ok as long as I keep the default IRE 7.5 setting. Choosing IRE 0 and Enhanced Black Level makes the picture too dark even though, as I understand it, the IRE setting is not supposed to affect the digital output.

The enhanced setting gives me a far better picture, much more 3-dimensional.

Yes, I've got my contrast at +1, my brightness at +10, and my whiteness level at +2 in order to get calibration, but it gives me a far greater range between blacks and whites.

On normal level, I get a much flatter looking picture.

Originally posted by dgr6966
I am curious too. I connect my 2910 to a Panasonic PT-AE500 projector via DVI running at 720p. I have set the Black Level to Enhanced, rather than Normal, as the player then uses a wider range of RGB levels, which logically seems to the better option but I am prepared to concede to a more informed argument. If I switch between Enhanced and Normal the Enhanced setting does seems darker than Normal but I am still able to calibrate the black level using DVE. I have found though that the settings in the Picture Adjust menu are critical. If the STD is used then the output is much too dark with the Enhanced Black Level, to the point that I am unable to calibrate black correctly with DVE. If I choose one of the user settings (M1-M5) then everything is ok as long as I keep the default IRE 7.5 setting. Choosing IRE 0 and Enhanced Black Level makes the picture too dark even though, as I understand it, the IRE setting is not supposed to affect the digital output.

Does it matter if the signal is PAL or NTSC when using enhanced black ? Since I heard it somewhere in this site, that the standard IRE setting is different in Asia/Europe than in U.S.. Kindly tell me if I am wrong. Thanks.

coreymd:
I feel your pain - it will get worse!!

Now my player will not play a cd and forget about playing a dvd - it loads and then locks up!!! Disc teaser!!!!

I also loaded v9 fw hoping for a miracle - not today!!

Yesterday I returned the unit to my local denon dealer and he will send it back to denon for repair or replacement. It will be out for weeks and I will be using my 6 year old Denon DVM 3700 via component 480i. Watched AVP last night and was impressed by the Sony (kdf 55 wf655) deinterlacing and up-converting sw.

Unless you can turn off repeat mode with your repeat button at the remote,you are going to continue having this problem. Good luck.

I will post Denons resolution of this problem.

Thanks

Originally posted by scannerman
coreymd:
I feel your pain - it will get worse!!

Now my player will not play a cd and forget about playing a dvd - it loads and then locks up!!! Disc teaser!!!!

I also loaded v9 fw hoping for a miracle - not today!!

Yesterday I returned the unit to my local denon dealer and he will send it back to denon for repair or replacement. It will be out for weeks and I will be using my 6 year old Denon DVM 3700 via component 480i. Watched AVP last night and was impressed by the Sony (kdf 55 wf655) deinterlacing and up-converting sw.

Unless you can turn off repeat mode with your repeat button at the remote,you are going to continue having this problem. Good luck.

I will post Denons resolution of this problem.

Thanks

This is interesting that you guys are having this problem with the 2910. Until tonight, my 2910 has been problem free. My wife and I were away on a short vacation and while we were gone, I picked up the CD/DVD Diana Krall The Girl In The Other Room. I know the disc is not defective, because we listened to it periodically in our car on the way home. When we got home, I immediately slipped the disc into my 2910 so I could listen to it with my Rocket 850's. No luck :( I tried everything I could think of. Then I thought, well, let me try the CD in my little Panasonic RP-82 DVD player. Plays beautiful on the little panny. So, unfortunately, it is not as easy as just going back to best buy and buying a new disc. After I played the disc on my RP-82, I put it back in the 2910 and it still would not play. Anyone have experience with this disc on the 2910? It does say NTSC on the disc. I hear some DVD players have issues with that format.
One final note: my 2910 has never had any problems playing cds before. Only this one disc.

Craig

Craig, I don't know why I'm responding, but I figure every piece of information will help. I assume you're referring to the Dual Disc version of The Girl In The Other Room. I have the SACD version of this album and it plays flawlessly in my 2910.

In my search for more info, I came across this:

Where Can I Play A DualDisc?
We recommend using the DVD side if you have a DVD player in order to enjoy the entire album in enhanced audio and the additional DVD features. The DVD side plays wherever a DVD plays - including many gaming consoles and computers. In a PC, the DVD side acts like a DVD-ROM on DualDiscs that include computer extras and Web links. The CD side plays on all but a limited number of CD and DVD models.

scannerman,
I also thought it might be stuck in a A/B loop, but that's not the case. According to the manual, all of the 'repeat' features are reset each time the disc is ejected. Plus I toggled all those features several times just to be sure. :-) I wonder if the player is programmed to respond to a hardware or software inconsistency by going back to the start of the disc.

So now I have pulled my RP-56 out of the moth balls and returned it to temporary service. That player does produce a great picture, but I'm going to miss the more film-like reproductions from the 2910. I should know what the diagnosis is in a week or two.

Craig-
Sorry but I can't help on that Diana Krall disc. But it sounds like a one-off problem (or at least here's hoping that it is).

-Corey

Thanks guys... I am going to try to exchange the disc this week.

Craig

Guys, Pls. Help on this!

Do you know what are the differences between the european Unit and the american unit apart from region code??

If american box can do PAL and I can make it region code free.. do you think I'd have any problem with an american unit here in Europe?

Prices are much higher down here and I'm considering getting one from the states.

BTW, I'd be connecting the dvd to a Fuji Plasma through DVI-D (in case it matters)

thx,

Guys, Pls. Help on this!

The only difference is possibly voltage. You can flash either player to either firmware.

Guys, Pls. Help on this!

The only difference is possibly voltage. You can flash either player to either firmware.

Getting ready to watch a film, went to select subtitles with my Logitech Harmony remote and the screen flashed funny, and 2910 is useless.

When I turn the power on, I get the "2910" display for 3-4 seconds, then the display goes black. only buttons on the remote that will light up the display are: HDMI/DVI Select, Format and Super Audio CD Setup.

I just did some reprogramming on the remote, possible the remote could of sent out a funny signal that did something to the Denon?

I tried to initialize the player and nothing. :(