I posted this question on the HT Guide Forum yesterday and haven't received a response.
I am posting it here in the hope that one of my Denon brethren could be of help.

"I have just received a Denon 2910 DVD and hooked it up to my Panasonic 61 inch rear proj. LCD using the HDMI connections.
I am using a digital optical connection for audio to my Rotel RSP 1068 pre-pro.
THe Denon 2910 allows two HDMI choices for video setup:
HDMI Y Cb Cr
or
HDMI RGB
Which one do I use?
There is very little description in the operating instructions
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Flannj"

HDMI Y Cb Cr
or
HDMI RGB
Which one do I use?

When I first got my 2910, I had the same question. Kris Deering at the Secrets of Home Theater forum answered and I quoted him in this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4722992&&#post4722992) a while back.

does this player play DVD+R ?

does this player play DVD+R ?
IIRC, the 2910 has pretty much played everything I've thrown at it. When I first started burning DVDs, I was using DVD+Rs and had some playback problems that were most likely due to the labels I was attaching (I've since learned that's a huge no-no...). I burn pretty much exclusively to DVD-Rs now, since I get the best deal online for them. However I do burn DVD+R DLs and they playback fine.

The manual doesn't mention DVD+R/RW support, but videohelp.com states that the 2910 does support both formats.

I have a simmilar question, is there a special way to burn the dvds because I cant get dvd-r to even play. They play fine in lesser players but cant get them to load up at all.

I have a simmilar question, is there a special way to burn the dvds because I cant get dvd-r to even play. They play fine in lesser players but cant get them to load up at all.
No special way. All I can tell you is that I use Taiyo Yuden 4x and 8x DVD-Rs and Verbatim DVD+R DLs. I burn at 4x and generally use DVD Decrypter for image files and ImgTool Burn for VIDEO-TS folders.

also, did anyone try the no-region hack?
does it work?

Thanks Bruce73,
Although the answer is a little beyond my understanding - I will go with the recommendation of Y Cb Cr - you would think Denon would give an explanation as to what the choices are all about.
Thanks again
Flannj

also, did anyone try the no-region hack?
does it work?
6720-A MR works fine - available from www.videohelp.com

Thanks Bruce73,
Although the answer is a little beyond my understanding - I will go with the recommendation of Y Cb Cr - you would think Denon would give an explanation as to what the choices are all about.
Thanks again
Flannj
No prob. Basically it comes down to: do you want the RGB conversion to be handled by the Denon or your TV? If you have a good TV, let it do it. For me, on a Sam HLP-5063, there was no discernable difference, but I set it on Y Cb Cr anyway.

I hear you on the lack of explanations by Denon. I would like more detail in the progressive video setup, re: different modes (auto1, auto2, etc.).

Are there any settings or hacks for the 2910 that allow one to skip dumb stuff like FBI warnings and the annoying ads/promotions that appear more and more in dvds these days? Thanks.

thanks, ozdvduser and bruce73. I look forward to being a future owner of the DVD-2910.

I have had my 2910 for about 6 months and I am going to be selling it if anyone is interested

I have had my 2910 for about 6 months and I am going to be selling it if anyone is interested

why? :confused:

The Denon is great, but I will be purchasing a Anthem D-1 when it finally comes out so I need a player that will output 480i thru hdmi. That is the only reason.

Probably and old question. Why is it that once the movie has started you can't select subtitles or change the audio?

Probably and old question. Why is it that once the movie has started you can't select subtitles or change the audio?
You can, if the options are available.

You can, if the options are available.Uh, not always.

Many DVDs disable the ability to select those options through direct selection in order to force you through the disc's menus (the same way many discs disable the chapter skip keys, especially during the FBI warning screen.)

Probably and old question. Why is it that once the movie has started you can't select subtitles or change the audio?
To change Audio - use the Audio button on the remote, then the ^ to scroll through the available audio options.

Uh, not always.

Many DVDs disable the ability to select those options through direct selection in order to force you through the disc's menus (the same way many discs disable the chapter skip keys, especially during the FBI warning screen.)
OK, interesting, I've never seen that (the inability to skip warnings, yes, but not the inability to directly access sound tracks). I stand corrected. :)

What is the latest available U.S. firmware version for the 2910? The latest version posted on Denon's site is the -A firmware from May 2005, though that was nearly 8 months ago.

Thanks.

What is the latest available U.S. firmware version for the 2910? The latest version posted on Denon's site is the -A firmware from May 2005, though that was nearly 8 months ago.

Thanks.
As a product matures, there's less need to keep tweaking. At some point, there are no more revisions. I think May '05 is the "latest."

OK, interesting, I've never seen that (the inability to skip warnings, yes, but not the inability to directly access sound tracks). I stand corrected. :)
Where "skip" doesn't work, fast forward might. Give it a try.

revision -A is not the "latest". my buddy purchased a 2910 about 4 months ago & his has -B firmware on it. i wish i knew where to get this revision. it contains updates to component video output!

Carmine.

revision -A is not the "latest". my buddy purchased a 2910 about 4 months ago & his has -B firmware on it. i wish i knew where to get this revision. it contains updates to component video output!

Carmine.
How do you know what it contains if you don't have it?

There's a -D MR version available over at www.videohelp.com

QUESTION: My 2910 is brand new and it's displaying a narrow, light blue, horizontal line just at/below the top edge of the bottom letterbox bar. (I'm watching letterboxed movies on a 4:3 display). Someone told may I might have to adjust the 'timing'. Timing of what? Has anyone heard of this before?

Where "skip" doesn't work, fast forward might. Give it a try.
Thanks for the tip! I'll check it out.

There's a -D MR version available over at www.videohelp.com


Hmmm..."HDMI Improvements"...I wonder what?

I'm using -8MR...

Wonder if it's worth updating.

There's a -D MR version available over at www.videohelp.com

That's a really bad website... can you put the link to the firware? spent 30 minutes trying to locate with no luck. Thanks.

revision -A is not the "latest". my buddy purchased a 2910 about 4 months ago & his has -B firmware on it. i wish i knew where to get this revision. it contains updates to component video output!

Carmine.
I wasn't trying to bust your cookies. I'd really like to know how you know what's in the firmware rev as I use the component outputs. OK, maybe I was busting your cookies a weeee bit, too. :)

lol, pepar!!! a little "cookie" bustin never hurt anyone! I cannot remember where i read about the component output update over firmware rev -B, but i do know my buddy's picture quality does look pretty damn good over component video.

Carmine.

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

I know I asked this earlier but I am still stumped. I can't get my 2910 to play and burned dvd's that work fine in other players. I have done all the firmware upgrades and still nothing. I usually burn with nero and have tried multiple settings. Maybe it is my media im using dynex dvd-r's could that be it. Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Thanks

I know I asked this earlier but I am still stumped. I can't get my 2910 to play and burned dvd's that work fine in other players. I have done all the firmware upgrades and still nothing. I usually burn with nero and have tried multiple settings. Maybe it is my media im using dynex dvd-r's could that be it. Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Thanks
I think there's software you can get to check media errors.

I know I asked this earlier but I am still stumped. I can't get my 2910 to play and burned dvd's that work fine in other players. I have done all the firmware upgrades and still nothing. I usually burn with nero and have tried multiple settings. Maybe it is my media im using dynex dvd-r's could that be it. Any ideas would be much appreciated.

Thanks
Had the same problem Seem to have fixed it by using +R blanks and reducing the burning speed to 8x. 16x on the Plextor lets me watch the start of a disc but it gets flakey and freezes a few minutes in. 12x doesn't freeze but a few glitches. 8x works fine all the way through.

I've got my 2910 connected as follows:

Video with HDMI to Pioneer Elite 930HD
Optical to Denon 2805 (for audio feed for DVD-V)
6 analog interconnects to Denon 2805 Ext In for SACD

The DVD-V and DVD-A play very well. Putting in my first SACD, the sound comes through very loud, and adjusting volume on the 2805 has no effect other than muting. Turning one click to -80db and the music is very loud. Increasing the volume on the 2805 all the way makes no change.

I've looked through the forums and haven't seen this issue before. Don't know if it's a 2910 issue or a 2805 issue.

Any ideas?

I've got my 2910 connected as follows:

Video with HDMI to Pioneer Elite 930HD
Optical to Denon 2805 (for audio feed for DVD-V)
6 analog interconnects to Denon 2805 Ext In for SACD

The DVD-V and DVD-A play very well. Putting in my first SACD, the sound comes through very loud, and adjusting volume on the 2805 has no effect other than muting. Turning one click to -80db and the music is very loud. Increasing the volume on the 2805 all the way makes no change.

I've looked through the forums and haven't seen this issue before. Don't know if it's a 2910 issue or a 2805 issue.

Any ideas?
You'll need to setup the speakers distances & levels in the 2910, Ext.In at the 2805 takes whatever is passed to it only allowing for volume adjustment.

Menu - Audio - Audio Channel - Multi Channel - Speaker Setup - Speaker Configuration/Channel Level/Delay time

Source Direct = Off
Bass Enhancer = Off
Compression = Off
SACD Filter = 50Hz

You'll need to setup the speakers distances & levels in the 2910, Ext.In at the 2805 takes whatever is passed to it only allowing for volume adjustment.

Menu - Audio - Audio Channel - Multi Channel - Speaker Setup - Speaker Configuration/Channel Level/Delay time

Source Direct = Off
Bass Enhancer = Off
Compression = Off
SACD Filter = 50Hz
I thought he was saying the 2805 volume control had no effect.

I've read mounds of info, posts, and reviews stating IRE 7.5 is the *correct* setting for this player to pass blacker than black, and whiter than white information. IRE 0 was said not to.

I believe this is debatable and I'll detail why.

On IRE 7.5: I was watching the Superbit of Panic Room yesterday and I kept wondering why it looked like crap. Macroblocking danced upon the walls and the image looked muddy. No matter how much darkness, you could almost always see into the blackest corners. No matter how much I fooled with the player's or TV's settings, it didn't get much better. It simply wasn't a pleasure to view.

I noticed something else. In many instances when light was casting down upon skin or a face. It looked like it had a "coating" or "sheen" on it. Like you took a image into a photo editor and applied a light "pastel" filter to it.

So I popped the disc in my DVDROM to see how the disc actually looks. I was shocked by how much darker the image was and detailed the faces were. Also this weird pastel crap wasn't happening.

I played around and changed IRE 7.5 to 0. Wham, immediate improvement. Macroblocking severely reduced (mainly because darkness became what it should be, darkness), "pasteling" gone, blacks returned. Of course I had to adjust my brightness and contrast settings all over again but it looks much better over the bright almost grayish blacks of 7.5.

Here's a little estimate of what 7.5 looks like on my display:

IRE 7.5 playback:

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/5783/vlcsnap271915kx.jpg

Raw Capture from the DVD: (what it "should" look like)

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/8721/vlcsnap271919if.jpg

Now, I'm pretty sure the 2910 does *not* use the Genesis chip when over RCA, S-Video, or Component. It uses its two 216 MHz, 12 bit Video DACs. It uses the Genesis upscaling chip for DVI and HDMI. My theory is that maybe 7.5 IRE is correct for the basic DAC connections, but not for the DVI and HDMI feeds from the Genesis. 0 IRE matched the DVD capture above much closer than I could ever get with 7.5 IRE. I tried other DVDs with the same result and I could obtain the desired results from DVE's PLUGE and gray ramp tests with 0.

Maybe Denon screwed up and mislabeled or forgot to label something between the basic DACs and Upscaler? It looks like 0 IRE has got to be correct over the upscaling connections on the 2910 on my display.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ozdvduser
You'll need to setup the speakers distances & levels in the 2910, Ext.In at the 2805 takes whatever is passed to it only allowing for volume adjustment.

Menu - Audio - Audio Channel - Multi Channel - Speaker Setup - Speaker Configuration/Channel Level/Delay time

Source Direct = Off
Bass Enhancer = Off
Compression = Off
SACD Filter = 50Hz

I thought he was saying the 2805 volume control had no effect

---------------

Yes. I'm getting absolutely no response from the volume on the 2805. Perhaps because the 2910 speaker settings are at 0db? I'll try back those off substantially to see if that helps.

Now that you brought it up. Can someone please explain what "Source Direct" and "SACD Filter" are on the audio setup menu and how they should be used.
Thank you.
Devin

Now that you brought it up. Can someone please explain what "Source Direct" and "SACD Filter" are on the audio setup menu and how they should be used.
Thank you.
Devin
Source Direct - totally ignores speakers settings and takes the full bandwidth signal from the player into the amp, it is LOUD as I've tried it.

SACD Filter - depending on your amp/speakers the SACD filter will cutoff signals over the specified 50Khz/100Khz top range. Use the default 50Khz unless your speakers are able to go over that and take signals between 50Khz-100Khz. Most amps Ext.In are able to process upto 100Khz, but it's the speakers you need to consider with this setting.

I've read mounds of info, posts, and reviews stating IRE 7.5 is the *correct* setting for this player to pass blacker than black, and whiter than white information. IRE 0 was said not to.

I believe this is debatable and I'll detail why.

On IRE 7.5: I was watching the Superbit of Panic Room yesterday and I kept wondering why it looked like crap. Macroblocking danced upon the walls and the image looked muddy. No matter how much darkness, you could almost always see into the blackest corners. No matter how much I fooled with the player's or TV's settings, it didn't get much better. It simply wasn't a pleasure to view.

I noticed something else. In many instances when light was casting down upon skin or a face. It looked like it had a "coating" or "sheen" on it. Like you took a image into a photo editor and applied a light "pastel" filter to it.

So I popped the disc in my DVDROM to see how the disc actually looks. I was shocked by how much darker the image was and detailed the faces were. Also this weird pastel crap wasn't happening.

I played around and changed IRE 7.5 to 0. Wham, immediate improvement. Macroblocking severely reduced (mainly because darkness became what it should be, darkness), "pasteling" gone, blacks returned. Of course I had to adjust my brightness and contrast settings all over again but it looks much better over the bright almost grayish blacks of 7.5.

Here's a little estimate of what 7.5 looks like on my display:

IRE 7.5 playback:

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/5783/vlcsnap271915kx.jpg

Raw Capture from the DVD: (what it "should" look like)

http://img495.imageshack.us/img495/8721/vlcsnap271919if.jpg

Now, I'm pretty sure the 2910 does *not* use the Genesis chip when over RCA, S-Video, or Component. It uses its two 216 MHz, 12 bit Video DACs. It uses the Genesis upscaling chip for DVI and HDMI. My theory is that maybe 7.5 IRE is correct for the basic DAC connections, but not for the DVI and HDMI feeds from the Genesis. 0 IRE matched the DVD capture above much closer than I could ever get with 7.5 IRE. I tried other DVDs with the same result and I could obtain the desired results from DVE's PLUGE and gray ramp tests with 0.

Maybe Denon screwed up and mislabeled or forgot to label something between the basic DACs and Upscaler? It looks like 0 IRE has got to be correct over the upscaling connections on the 2910 on my display.


You are correct. It might be different on other players but for this player 0 IRE IS the correct setting. This has been debated over and over and the end result is that with most displays for the player its to calibrate to a 0 IRE. Its what Kris Deering confirmed and a recent re-discussion on the 3910 thread reinforces.

Maybe thats why I have NEVER spotted macroblocking on my projector either. ;)

Quote:
Yes. I'm getting absolutely no response from the volume on the 2805. Perhaps because the 2910 speaker settings are at 0db? I'll try back those off substantially to see if that helps.


And if you the 2805 uses older/lower quality DACs than the 2910 then just get everything via the analog connections (including DVD) into the External in. I have an 2802 and I do this and the quality is actually better than the receivers.

I've isolated my problem on volume control in that when I pull the 5.1 analog cords, audio is now controllable from the receiver (volume, etc.). I tried to adjust the pure direct settings but pressing the "memory" button does not give me the menu as the manual suggests. Any ideas how I can have all audio go through the optical connection except for SACD? Then for the SACD, how to have the 2805 actually be able to control the volume (it comes through very well, but LOUD and without control).

You are correct. It might be different on other players but for this player 0 IRE IS the correct setting. This has been debated over and over and the end result is that with most displays for the player its to calibrate to a 0 IRE. Its what Kris Deering confirmed and a recent re-discussion on the 3910 thread reinforces.

Maybe thats why I have NEVER spotted macroblocking on my projector either. ;)

Since IRE is being referenced, does this apply mainly/only to output via component? And do you happen to have a link to what Kris Deering had to say about this? Thanks.

What I'd like to do is route SACD only through the 5.1 analog and everything else through the optical. When I plug in the analog interconnects, I believe everything is going through those and I have no volume control (it just comes through LOUD or off).

How do I configure the 2910 to output only SACD through the analog and everyting else through optical?

What I'd like to do is route SACD only through the 5.1 analog and everything else through the optical. When I plug in the analog interconnects, I believe everything is going through those and I have no volume control (it just comes through LOUD or off).

How do I configure the 2910 to output only SACD through the analog and everyting else through optical?


In the set up menu when it asks how you want to use the player select "Audio," and leave it there. Set your receiver to accept the optical signal and "ext in" for your sacd's. You then won't have to adjust your settings when switching between dvd's and sacd's. I think that will get it. :cool:

Thanks for the reply, Zen. Can you give me a little more detail on the first step? Setting the player to Audio? What screen / options is this referring to?

Now, I'm pretty sure the 2910 does *not* use the Genesis chip when over RCA, S-Video, or Component. It uses its two 216 MHz, 12 bit Video DACs. It uses the Genesis upscaling chip for DVI and HDMI.



Feel free to correct me but I beleive it uses the Genesis chip on 480p over component as well (which is why you can't have 480p component and HDMI/DVI output simultaneously). 480i/component comes directly from the mpeg2 decoder.

1) Go into the 2910's set up menu

2) Go to " etc."

3) click on Audio/Video and set it to Audio

NOTE: If I am remembering right, the HDMI setting (double arrows on setup) also needs to be in 2 channel. I hope this helps.

{edit: in this configuration on a Denon (and I assume other AVRs) you assign whatever optical in you are using on the receiver for DVD's, and use the "ext in" function for SACD's}

I just got an HDMI cable that plugs directly into my TV. When I play SACDs I have no problemwhatsoever, however, when I play a DVD Audio disc, the discs starts skipping unless I also have the input source on the TV set to the DVD HDMI connection. I usually have my input source set to cable (also HDMI) so I can watch TV (with CC) while listening to music. I believe the player is getting confused between DVD-A and DVD-V and is getting stuck somewhere in between. Could this have to do with the addition of the HDMI cables? Why does my TV need to be set to face the DVD HDMI source? My old TV was not capable of handling a progressive signal so I have recently turned Progressive mode on. Could this be a factor?

In reference to the IRE setting: I too agree that in my setup (with a Samsung dlp), 0 is the correct setting. At 7.5 the picture looks washed out. My only problem is that I have to leave mine at 480p because if I try to upconvert over HDMI it introduces too much noise and macroblocking.

In reference to the IRE setting: I too agree that in my setup (with a Samsung dlp), 0 is the correct setting. At 7.5 the picture looks washed out. My only problem is that I have to leave mine at 480p because if I try to upconvert over HDMI it introduces too much noise and macroblocking.
I have a Samsung DLP as well (HLP-5063), and I'm now using 480p via component since my DVI and HDMI inputs are being used. I am also seeing less MBing, but I still have the IRE set to 7.5 from when I was using DVI.

Out of curiousity, what's the brightness setting on your DLP at 0-IRE? For 7.5-IRE mine is at 28 (re-adjusted after switching from DVI, using DVE), which, I assume, would have to be raised for 0-IRE. As far as washed-out blacks are concerned, doesn't that just even everything out? So why does it really matter what IRE is used as long as the brightness level is adjusted accordingly?

Out of curiousity, what's the brightness setting on your DLP at 0-IRE? For 7.5-IRE mine is at 28 (re-adjusted after switching from DVI, using DVE), which, I assume, would have to be raised for 0-IRE. As far as washed-out blacks are concerned, doesn't that just even everything out? So why does it really matter what IRE is used as long as the brightness level is adjusted accordingly?

I have a Sammy HL-P5085W and on 7.5 it hovers around 34 and on 0 it hovers around 57 when calibrating with DVE. Though on 0 I usually put it down to about 54-55 to get slightly richer blacks. I'm on HDMI YCrCb @ 1080i, I see an improvement in image compared to all other connections but MB is more apparent (even from HDMI RGB), though 0 IRE helps the situation greatly.

I have a Sammy HL-P5085W and on 7.5 it hovers around 34 and on 0 it hovers around 57 when calibrating with DVE. Though on 0 I usually put it down to about 54-55 to get slightly richer blacks. I'm on HDMI YCrCb @ 1080i, I see an improvement in image compared to all other connections but MB is more apparent (even from HDMI RGB), though 0 IRE helps the situation greatly.
That was what I had when using HDMI YCrCB, then a little lower for DVI. I had to raise a bit to 33 for component. I will try setting at 0-IRE, recalibrating and checking out some particular scenes I remember having pronounced MBing and see how it changes things over component.

Thanks.

I have a Sammy HL-P5085W and on 7.5 it hovers around 34 and on 0 it hovers around 57 when calibrating with DVE. Though on 0 I usually put it down to about 54-55 to get slightly richer blacks. I'm on HDMI YCrCb @ 1080i, I see an improvement in image compared to all other connections but MB is more apparent (even from HDMI RGB), though 0 IRE helps the situation greatly.


1080i?

I have the HL-P5685w and its native rate is 720p... :confused:

1080i?

I have the HL-P5685w and its native rate is 720p... :confused:

They are, but I've switched back and forth while looking at various DVDs and 1080i seems to have slightly tighter lines. I know it's best to run at a display's native rate (I do for HD) but I honestly don't see any artifacts introduced either way.

ha! I never knew this thread was created.

I did a bunch of different terms in the search engine.. found nothing.
Eh i can't read all 69 pages.. came in late. sorry (Will try and catch up on the weekends, so i can do research and see what other people think about this unit.)

Well everybody I am looking to buy the Denon DVD-2910 DVD player.
I currently own the Denon AVR-3805 and the Denon DVM-2815.

I want to upgrade to the Denon DVD-2910 b/c of the better build quality and the DVI/HDMI outputs along with the newer Faroudja chip. I also want that SACD capability, the Denon DVM-2815 only has DVD-Audio for its multichannel audio source.

Anybody got anything to tell me about the Denon DVD-2910 unit? :)

They are, but I've switched back and forth while looking at various DVDs and 1080i seems to have slightly tighter lines. I know it's best to run at a display's native rate (I do for HD) but I honestly don't see any artifacts introduced either way.

The funny thing is I have a 1080p Mitsu DLP & with my 2910 the 480p/576p setting seems to be the sharpest. Also the color seems more vibrant with this setting. One would think the logical choice for a 1080p TV is the 1080i setting on the 2910-or am I wrong?

Anybody got anything to tell me about the Denon DVD-2910 unit? :)
I've had mine for just over a year and I've been very happy, having used it for SACDs, upconverting video and now at 480p component. Some report macroblocking over HDMI or DVI, but, in general, a very solid machine. I especially like that it will convert PAL video to NTSC.

Here's a review from the Secrets of Home Theater site (scroll down to the 2910):

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=15&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0

bruce73:
Thats good you have enjoyed your DVD-2910. I soon will too :p
Yes, i have read about that problem over HDMI/DVI. I will be using Component Video for the time being, so i guess i won't have to worrie about that. Scary thoughts though. Sometime in the near future when i get my digital TV I will be using HDMI/DVI.

My Gear. (Might be asking for setup help later)
Denon AVR-3805
Denon DMV-2815
Mitsubishi WS-55413
Ixos Video & Audio cables
& Other stuff.

I have read that review over at Secrets of Home Theater, thanks for telling me about it.
I will be having questions later.. Assuming i get the DVD-2910 :)
Its just alot of money for a person my age. I guess its alot of money for adults too.

Anybody heard any talk about Denon releasing a 2006 version of the DVD-2910?
Over at Audioholics.com they did a New Denon DVD Player lineup for 2004 article.
The date of the article was July 14 2004. The Denon AVR-3805 came out sometime in June 2004 aswell right. If so, Denon has upgraded that model to a AVR-3806.
http://www.audioholics.com/news/pressreleases/denonDVD-1910player.php

I have a Samsung DLP as well (HLP-5063), and I'm now using 480p via component since my DVI and HDMI inputs are being used. I am also seeing less MBing, but I still have the IRE set to 7.5 from when I was using DVI.

Out of curiousity, what's the brightness setting on your DLP at 0-IRE? For 7.5-IRE mine is at 28 (re-adjusted after switching from DVI, using DVE), which, I assume, would have to be raised for 0-IRE. As far as washed-out blacks are concerned, doesn't that just even everything out? So why does it really matter what IRE is used as long as the brightness level is adjusted accordingly?


I have my brightness setting at 58 on my DLP with IRE set at 0. I can take it down a couple of notches and get even deeper blacks but I lose some detail in darker areas.

buc18: I just recalibrated for 0-IRE and it's at 49. But I do so in a darkened room so that there's absolutely no noise around the outermost bars and they blend in completely. It's a little dark for daytime viewing since I can't get totally rid of ambient light in the living room, but at night it looks great. I've yet to determine if there's any difference in PQ.

...Assuming i get the DVD-2910 :)
Its just alot of money for a person my age. I guess its alot of money for adults too.
Trust me, it was a lot of money for this adult! :D

The funny thing is I have a 1080p Mitsu DLP & with my 2910 the 480p/576p setting seems to be the sharpest. Also the color seems more vibrant with this setting. One would think the logical choice for a 1080p TV is the 1080i setting on the 2910-or am I wrong?


That is odd...all the settings the same?
On the display and the player?
Both signals sent over the same HDMI cable, no receiver/processor in between?
Could it be the Mits. is processing the 480p while allowing the 1080i signal to pass thru without processing?
Strange... :confused:

Well, I received a 2910 yesterday. I haven't had much time with it yet, but my first impression is that navigation is S...L...O...W (almost painfully) compared to my 6 year old, non-progressive Sony 530. I was looking forward to it being faster, if anything. It doesn't seem to want to reverse chapter skip, either. This is something I use all the time when calibrating with Avia, and it's getting quite annoying to have to go through several menus each time I want to go back a pattern. Are other people having problems with this stuff? I'm also pretty sure I'm seeing the macroblocking bug on the opening scenes of "Monsters, Inc." on my Mits 48413. :eek:

You still around Brett Miles? Your post was made over a year ago.
I came in late on this thread, i am Just now on page #8. It seems like your one of the only people who have a similar TV to mine. Mine being a Mits 55413, Your post about Macroblocking bug sorta scares me. Maybe you have updated your feelings about the 2910? I'll keep reading on.

From what you have said about the navigation being slow also scares me. Hopefully its not *that* slow. I have a Denon DMV-2815 right now, i wonder how the navigation times differ.
Time to read page #9 haha..

Is there a way to entirely turn off the audio on my HDMI output? I believe it is causing problems when I listen to DVD-A through the 5.1 Analog output. Do I need to block the audio on the TV perhaps? The HDMI cord is directly connected to the TV.

Anybody know if there is a service menu in the 2910?
I need to adjust things like R, G and B Gain and Peak/Offset separately (or gamma separately) as well as output timings (front porch, back porch...).

I've had mine for just over a year and I've been very happy, having used it for SACDs, upconverting video and now at 480p component. Some report macroblocking over HDMI or DVI, but, in general, a very solid machine. I especially like that it will convert PAL video to NTSC.

Here's a review from the Secrets of Home Theater site (scroll down to the 2910):

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=15&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0


How does it convert PAL to NTSC? Are you talking about the region free firmware? What is the latest version of that and where can I get it? Any issues with it?

Well I just did some perusing and found the answers to my questions...although if anyone does have a link to the latest region-free firmware and opinions on its stability....I haven't upgraded the firmware in like a year and don't want to mess with success, but there is a R2 PAL DVD out I really want to get...

How does it convert PAL to NTSC? Are you talking about the region free firmware? What is the latest version of that and where can I get it? Any issues with it?

Yes, i'm pretty sure they are talking about region free firmware.
I have found 3 links, but both are over a year old and they don't work...

http://www.homecinema-fr.com/forum/....php?t=29755603
http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htf...threadid=214907
This used to work aswell http://mapage.noos.fr/gbogros/d21zsavd.zip

The newest version of the Region Free Firmware is ESS-6720-4?

BTW.. anybody have a *working* link for the DVD-2910's Firmware? I did google searches and could not find it.

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Thank you.

Latest version is:
NEW! 12/20/05 Added Denon DVD-2910/955 ESS:6720-D Day 902 Multiregion Firmware

How does it convert PAL to NTSC? Are you talking about the region free firmware? What is the latest version of that and where can I get it? Any issues with it?
I don't have region-free firmware on the 2910 itself, but it will play a region-stripped PAL DVD on my NTSC DLP if the 2910's video setting is NTSC (conversely, NTSC will play on a PAL set if "PAL" is selected, and the 2910 will output natively if "AUTO" is selected).

My only problem is that I have to leave mine at 480p because if I try to upconvert over HDMI it introduces too much noise and macroblocking.

I have noticed the exact same thing on my Mitz DLP. Any upconversion beyond 480p results in increased noise/graininess on my set.

I used the link to download the latest 2910 region-free firmware. The biggest bonus was that it fixed a problem I was having. My player has been poor at recognizing some CDs. There is one that it simply wouldn't recognize, and others have to be put in more than once before they are recognized. I've never had a problem with SACDs or DVDs. However, once the CDs were recognized, they would always play fine.

Well, the firmware update seems to have fixed this! If anyone else is having similar problems, I would suggest an update.

Thanks,
Neil

Is this firmware a Denon factory release?

Is this firmware a Denon factory release?
No, it's been hacked to allow multi-region play.

Hello all, just got this player for Christmas. Everything is fine except for one thing I am finding quite puzzling. I did a lot of search of this thread but after about 30 some odd pages i got a little tired. I have the player hooked up to a Marantz SR8200 receiver via component cables, coaxial digital cable and 5.1 analogue. In the settings for multichannel audio, the test tones come out quite low (when the receiver is set to 7.1 input) in my opinion versus the test tones for my receiver. I had to adjust the levels in the 7.1 setup on the receiver to +10 for every channel to make 75db with my SPL meter. When I go to the subwoofer test tone, I can't hear anything at all. I have to jack up the level on the actual subwoofer to I can hear something otherwise it's nonexistant. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Should I turn on "bass enhancer" along with the "bass boost" in the level control menu?

Hello all, just got this player for Christmas. Everything is fine except for one thing I am finding quite puzzling. I did a lot of search of this thread but after about 30 some odd pages i got a little tired. I have the player hooked up to a Marantz SR8200 receiver via component cables, coaxial digital cable and 5.1 analogue. In the settings for multichannel audio, the test tones come out quite low (when the receiver is set to 7.1 input) in my opinion versus the test tones for my receiver. I had to adjust the levels in the 7.1 setup on the receiver to +10 for every channel to make 75db with my SPL meter. When I go to the subwoofer test tone, I can't hear anything at all. I have to jack up the level on the actual subwoofer to I can hear something otherwise it's nonexistant. Is this normal or am I doing something wrong? Should I turn on "bass enhancer" along with the "bass boost" in the level control menu?

Volume of test tones is different. How about actual content? If watching a DVD, must you increase power if watching with multichannel analog cables vice coaxial digital?

By the way, does the following apply to anything?
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6291153&&#post6291153

I had to adjust the levels in the 7.1 setup on the receiver to +10 for every channel to make 75db with my SPL meter. When I go to the subwoofer test tone, I can't hear anything at all. I have to jack up the level on the actual subwoofer to I can hear something otherwise it's nonexistant.

In my experience, the LFE (or sub) channel has been 10 to 15 dB low from the analog outs of every universal player. My recommendation -- undo that 10 dB boost on the other channels. Use the master volume to bring the whole thing up to where you want it, and the sub will probably be closer to where it should be in relation to the other channels.

I did a lot of search of this thread but after about 30 some odd pages i got a little tired.

Yeah, i came in Very late to this thread, i read from page 1-20.. and got tired.
haha
(called my shop, they are selling the 2910 for $629.. then i gotta buy a $50 coax cable?)

Just placed the order, the unit should be here by Friday at the latest.
I'm feeling odd about spending close to $700 on a DVD player :eek:

Best all purpose player I have ever purchased. Great build quality, great peicture and very flexible setup. Enjoy.

I'm thinking of installing the latest firmware -- but if it doesn't work, or the pic is not as good. Can I go back? I still have the priors I installed on disk.

Thanks!!!!

bruce, that is a concern of mine as well. i do not feel very comfortable installing firmware that did not come directly from Denon. i do not understand why their website hasn't updated the firmware since May 2005! tried contacting them several times via e-mail with no response!!!!

Let me know how you make out if you decide to update
Thanks.
Carmine.

bruce, that is a concern of mine as well. i do not feel very comfortable installing firmware that did not come directly from Denon. i do not understand why their website hasn't updated the firmware since May 2005! tried contacting them several times via e-mail with no response!!!!

Let me know how you make out if you decide to update
Thanks.
Carmine.


I agree with you and Bruce.. installing something on a $700 unit that is NOT from Denon is a little sketchy. I would like to install something that is from usa.denon's webpage. :shrug:

I have a Panny plasma, so I am hoping for something that reduces the MB over DVI.

my thoughts exactly Young. i just cannot figure out what is holding Denon up from releasing the newer firmware revisions. THERE DEFINATELY ARE NEWER REVISIONS AFTER MAY 2005!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I've updated the firmware twice using the "hacked" multi-region updates, absolutely no problems. I wouldn't want the player if it couldn't be made region free.

Also updating the firmware is still sketchy if the update comes from Denon or not.

have you loaded the latest firmware Damnation?

Yeah its crazy how Denon won't release it.

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Latest firmware Damnation, meaning ESS:6720-D Day 902.?

I haven't tried D yet I was on "8" originally but then updated to "A" but thought the image was slightly softer so I went back to "8MR".

I haven't tried D yet I was on "8" originally but then updated to "A" but thought the image was slightly softer so I went back to "8MR".

Scary, ohh what shall i do.. i might get the unit in this afternoon.

Just placed the order, the unit should be here by Friday at the latest.
I'm feeling odd about spending close to $700 on a DVD player :eek:
For the mid-$500 range, DAKMART has refurbed units with the exact same warranty as a new unit. I'm using one and it is indistinguishable from a new one. Except my bank account is a bit more healthy.

bruce, that is a concern of mine as well. i do not feel very comfortable installing firmware that did not come directly from Denon. i do not understand why their website hasn't updated the firmware since May 2005! tried contacting them several times via e-mail with no response!!!!

Let me know how you make out if you decide to update
Thanks.
Carmine.
As the units *mature* there is less and less reason to change the firmware. They haven't been about performance increases for some time; they've been adding functionality and fixing bugs.

Also, if you do not plan on playing discs from other regions, there is absolutely nothing to gain from applying the MR firmware. If you like the drama of applying non-Denon code to your unit, then go right ahead!

Why does the remote that came with the DVD-2910 (RC-568?) have a option button that says NTSC/PAL... that seems like from the factory, the 2910 can do both regions.

Why does the remote that came with the DVD-2910 (RC-568?) have a option button that says NTSC/PAL... that seems like from the factory, the 2910 can do both regions.
It sets how the video will be ouputted. NTSC will ouput everything as NTSC, PAL as PAL, and AUTO will output natively, if your TV can handle both NTSC and PAL. This is one of my favorite features, as I can watch PAL video on my NTSC TV.

Anybody there?

I just connected my DVD-2910 to my Denon AVR-3805 via a digital coax cable.
And i am not getting any audio playback when i have the digital coax cable connected.
I have the coax cable plugged into the AVR-3805 on Coax-1
I have the coax cable plugged into the DVD-2910 on Digital Out Coaxial

Here is what my AVR-3805's setup menu looks like

3805's system setup:
3. Input Setup >
1. Digital In Assign >
DVD: Coax1

Here is what my DVD-2910's setup menu looks like

2910's system setup:
Digital Output- PCM
LPCM (44. 1kHz/48kHz) -Off

With my Denon RC969 remote (AVR 3805's) I press DVD.
On the front panel of the 3805 i press "Mode" and i set it to PCM.

Thanks for your help, what am i doing wrong?

IN the Denon's setup menu, try setting the DIGITAL OUTPUT to "NORMAL rather than PCM.

IN the Denon's setup menu, try setting the DIGITAL OUTPUT to "NORMAL rather than PCM.
Yep, PCM limits all signals.

Is anyone having trouble with the 5.1 SACD playback. I am only getting output to the front two channels. I do have a 5.1 Surround SACD disc. I am also setting the SACD setup to multi. Another issue is that when I go into the audio setup menu the only options that are highlighted is the compression and SACD filter. Can someone guide me in the right direction. I even called Denon tech support and they told me to go reset the unit back to its default settings, but the unit will not reset itself. I beginning to think its defective. Any suggestions!!

Thanks,
Heavy

Heavy: is this happening for all of your SACDs? I bought a classical disc which stated SACD but only had the L and R channels. I've learned that this is how some are produced, but only after I brought the disc back to BestBuy - twice - and bitched until they let me swap it out for a different one that was definitely 5-channel :o .

Just goes to show that, no matter how clueless you can be at times, there's always someone at BB who's more clueless. :eek:

Hi Bruce, Yes I have the same issue with every SACD. Just to double check the SACD's I have, took a couple over to a friends system and playback was surround. The display on the unit shows 5.1 channels, but somehow the signal not getting to the rca jacks. I have swapped out processors as well with no success.

If you want DVD-A/SACD 5.1ch/2ch out from the 2910 you need to connect it via the 5.1 outputs on the 2910 to the 5.1 Ext.In inputs on the 3805. Digital Coax will not give you DVD-A/SACD full bandwidth, this is only available through the 5.1 analog connections

SACD disk are not DVD, that is why the 3805 doesn't know about where the signal is coming from.

Set the 2910 Digital Output = Normal - that will be for DVD-V via Coax (DD/DTS)
Set the 2910 Audio Setup = MultiChannel & use the Speaker setup menu to setup Sizes/Levels/Distances

Setup the 3805 CD as Analog Input (will use the Ext.In connections for 5.1ch/2ch input)
Setup the 3805 DVD as Input = Coax1 / Audio = Auto

When playing CD/DVD-A/SACD select the CD, when playing DVD-V select DVD

When playing SACD use the 2910 remote to select 5ch/2ch to pick the format you want to hear (DVD-A will always be 5.1ch)
Use the 3805 remote to select Ext.In (for CD/DVD-A/SACD)

This is exactly the way I have my setup. Two channel works fine. As for as my audio setup I'm not able to do anything but set the compression and sacd filter. these are the only two highlighted options I have in the menu.

If you want DVD-A/SACD 5.1ch/2ch out from the 2910 you need to connect it via the 5.1 outputs on the 2910 to the 5.1 Ext.In inputs on the 3805. Digital Coax will not give you DVD-A/SACD full bandwidth, this is only available through the 5.1 analog connections

SACD disk are not DVD, that is why the 3805 doesn't know about where the signal is coming from.

Set the 2910 Digital Output = Normal - that will be for DVD-V via Coax (DD/DTS)
Set the 2910 Audio Setup = MultiChannel & use the Speaker setup menu to setup Sizes/Levels/Distances

Setup the 3805 CD as Analog Input (will use the Ext.In connections for 5.1ch/2ch input)
Setup the 3805 DVD as Input = Coax1 / Audio = Auto

When playing CD/DVD-A/SACD select the CD, when playing DVD-V select DVD

When playing SACD use the 2910 remote to select 5ch/2ch to pick the format you want to hear (DVD-A will always be 5.1ch)
Use the 3805 remote to select Ext.In (for CD/DVD-A/SACD)

Wow great reading, thanks for taking the time to type that.
I got my unit working now.

yeah, i think it was the PCM/Normal thing. Switched to normal and everything is fine.
Thanks everybody for speaking up.

I listen to alot of MP3 CDs, i do not like how the Denon DVD-2910 preforms actions on those MP3 disk of mine.
I'm talking about how many alphabetical characters the DVD-2910 will read.
Allright lets say i have this album by Burzum- Det Som Engan Var
The DVD-2910 will display the album as "Det So" Since it cannot read alot of characters

The Songs themselfs also get cut off. Not just the album and artist names.
My Denon DMV-2815 does not do this :(

Installed the "ESS:6720-D Day 902 Multiregion Firmware" last night and the PQ appears improved so far. Here is my setup and settings:

Mitsubishi 65813 (love those 9" guns :D!)
DVD-2910 via component (480P):
IRE 0
Brightness, +1

With the earlier version of firmware (8, I believe), I had to set Hue to +1 or +2 for accurate flesh tones. That is not necessary with this new version of firmware. The flesh tones and outdoor scenes in The Last Samurai were realistic and sharp. I also looked at Black Hawk Down (superbit) and it was also "spot on", but I was starting to fade a bit since it was pretty late. Will do some extended viewing after the NFL games today and report back.

Later this week or next, I will experiment with a DVI connection and upscaling to 1080i to compare with the component 480P connection.

Bottom line, the most recent firmware is definitely an upgrade to consider.

web

Installed the "ESS:6720-D Day 902 Multiregion Firmware" last night and the PQ appears improved so far. Here is my setup and settings:

Mitsubishi 65813 (love those 9" guns :D!)
DVD-2910 via component (480P):
IRE 0
Brightness, +1

With the earlier version of firmware (8, I believe), I had to set Hue to +1 or +2 for accurate flesh tones. That is not necessary with this new version of firmware. The flesh tones and outdoor scenes in The Last Samurai were realistic and sharp. I also looked at Black Hawk Down (superbit) and it was also "spot on", but I was starting to fade a bit since it was pretty late. Will do some extended viewing after the NFL games today and report back.

Later this week or next, I will experiment with a DVI connection and upscaling to 1080i to compare with the component 480P connection.

Bottom line, the most recent firmware is definitely an upgrade to consider.

web
Are you saying PQ is better, or just different requiring different settings but achieving the exact same results? MR firmware, as far as I know, starts with "stock" firmware and only adds multi-region compatibility.

Are you saying PQ is better, or just different requiring different settings but achieving the exact same results? MR firmware, as far as I know, starts with "stock" firmware and only adds multi-region compatibility.
Gone from -8 to -D, a lot of changes were done between those versions so running the latest, with MR as a bonus.

Gone from -8 to -D, a lot of changes were done between those versions so running the latest, with MR as a bonus.

ozdvduser, do you happen to know some or all of the changes between the two? It's cool if not, I'm just curious. :)

Just went from 8MR to D-MR myself. Running over HDMI YCrCb (@ 1080i) it appears the green push is still there (w/ Hue +2 still looking most "true"), but it looks a little less dramatic. That's to say Hue 0 looks less green and Hue +2 looks less red. The image also seems a tad less "grainy" and smoother. Also menu navigation seems less slow. What I've perceived so far is not like day and night, but so far it's certainly no worse than 8.

Are you saying PQ is better, or just different requiring different settings but achieving the exact same results? MR firmware, as far as I know, starts with "stock" firmware and only adds multi-region compatibility.

As the previous poster (ozdvduser) stated there has been numerous changes between the previous version of firmware I was using and this latest version. I would imagine some of those changes addressed PQ issues. The PQ definitely appears better and, in addition for my configuration, less DVD adjustment to achieve equal to better PQ.

web

I'm running DVI @ 1080i - less grainy, sharper picture, better colour saturation, less adjustments needed on the pj for DVE calibration, slightly faster menu, "green push" non-existent on my display compared to earlier versions where I had to adjust the Hue - I'm running with all settings at factory defaul and adjustments done in the pj

As the previous poster (ozdvduser) stated there has been numerous changes between the previous version of firmware I was using and this latest version. I would imagine some of those changes addressed PQ issues. The PQ definitely appears better and, in addition for my configuration, less DVD adjustment to achieve equal to better PQ.

web
Thanks. Any idea why the underlying firmware wasn't made available for d/l on Denon's site?

Thanks. Any idea why the underlying firmware wasn't made available for d/l on Denon's site?
No idea - every month I just do search for 6720-x and see if there are any latest fw MR versions around, check out the responses of people that have downloaded & used, if OK use it.

No idea - every month I just do search for 6720-x and see if there are any latest fw MR versions around, check out the responses of people that have downloaded & used, if OK use it.
I've not been interested in MR firmware because I use only R1 DVD's, but if this is true about better PQ, then I'm going to investigate further. I've already posted a question on the 3910 owner's thread. (I own both 2910 and a 3910.)

i've been e-mailing Denon for weeks inquiring about newer firmware revisions with no responses at all!!!! I've been telling many others on this thread (Pepar included) about there being newer firmware revisions. my friend just recently purchased a 2910 with newer firmware than what is on Denon's site. maybe if we all start flooding Denon with e-mails they will post the newer firmware revision as i really am leary about applying firmware that hasn't been released from Denon.

my 2 cents.
Carmine.

Don't want to sound stupid but I'm reasonably new to the forums and definitely new to this thread. What is firmware and what difference does it make? I have heard of firmware for computer programs and such but never with ht equipment. Does it make a difference and how is it attained?

Don't want to sound stupid but I'm reasonably new to the forums and definitely new to this thread. What is firmware and what difference does it make? I have heard of firmware for computer programs and such but never with ht equipment. Does it make a difference and how is it attained?
Firmware is basically software for non-pc based products to do the processing required to achieve certain outcomes. It is loaded into the unit and resides there controling the functions of the unit. So, as the manufacturers find bugs, fixes, improvements they release new firmware versions that you can load into your product to take advantage of these upgrades etc.

Newer firmware releases are in most cases improvements to the product. The latest version of the firmware will always contain any changes made in previous version, so if you say have V9 on you unit and load v12, you will also get any upgrades made in version v10 & v11.

Each manufacturer decides how/when the new firmware is distributed i.e. Denon allow you to doanload it from their web site, others may require a copy to be sent to you

For the 2910, because it is a worldwide product, there exists versions of the software unique to each marketing region, however, the basis is the same it's just that some are what we refer to as MR (MultiRegion). So the code is identical, but some are either released or hacked to become MR version, that means you can load it onto the 2910 and it allows you to play DVDs for every region, not just the one where you purchased the unit i.e. US=1, Australia=4 etc.

My player shows ESS 6720-C. I assume this is the latest version outside of the hacked multi region firmware? I am willing to assume the risk of updating firmware but not using something that is hacked and not directly on their site. Came across this while googling denon firmware updates:

http://www.jvb.nl/jvb.asp?cur=2&level=accessoires&page=title&title=229

Legit?

My player shows ESS 6720-C. I assume this is the latest version outside of the hacked multi region firmware? I am willing to assume the risk of updating firmware but not using something that is hacked and not directly on their site. Came across this while googling denon firmware updates:

http://www.jvb.nl/jvb.asp?cur=2&level=accessoires&page=title&title=229

Legit?

6720-D is that latest Denon version.
6720-D MR is available so why pay for something that you can get for free. I've upgraded 3 times so far from the links given in this thread and other places - not one problem at all and the improvements make it worthwhile.

I wonder why Denon doesn't make the -D version available on their site. Again, I am confident that most if not nearly all people have had no problems the MR version. I just try to stick to what the factory puts out.

100% my point Edward! I cannot get a reply from Denon as to why they haven't posted version -D on their site.

Just went from 8MR to D-MR myself. Running over HDMI YCrCb (@ 1080i) it appears the green push is still there (w/ Hue +2 still looking most "true"), but it looks a little less dramatic. That's to say Hue 0 looks less green and Hue +2 looks less red. The image also seems a tad less "grainy" and smoother. Also menu navigation seems less slow. What I've perceived so far is not like day and night, but so far it's certainly no worse than 8.
Actually after some more viewing the image looks a little tighter and richer in coloration after adjusting the player's picture settings back to what they used to be on 8.

I was just watching the Anniversary Edition of Casino several days ago on 8 and after watching it again on on D the picture looks more controlled and the splashes of bold color through the film come through even more beautifully.

so what you're saying Damnation is that the newer firmware "appears" to have helped with PQ.

Yes, but it's not a revelation. Color production is the most noticable difference.

ok got ya!

Thanks.
Carmine.

Installed the "ESS:6720-D Day 902 Multiregion Firmware" last night and the PQ appears improved so far. Here is my setup and settings:

Mitsubishi 65813 (love those 9" guns :D!)
DVD-2910 via component (480P):
IRE 0
Brightness, +1

With the earlier version of firmware (8, I believe), I had to set Hue to +1 or +2 for accurate flesh tones. That is not necessary with this new version of firmware. The flesh tones and outdoor scenes in The Last Samurai were realistic and sharp. I also looked at Black Hawk Down (superbit) and it was also "spot on", but I was starting to fade a bit since it was pretty late. Will do some extended viewing after the NFL games today and report back.

Later this week or next, I will experiment with a DVI connection and upscaling to 1080i to compare with the component 480P connection.

Bottom line, the most recent firmware is definitely an upgrade to consider.

web

Where did you download the firmware from?

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/ ?

I love the audio on the DVD-2910.. Great sound
Via Coax digital or Optical digital. DVD-Audio sounds the same as to my Denon DVM-2815. I think the unit is worth it.. I would like to see more Alphabetical characters in MP3 Disc.

The unit matches my Denon AVR-3805, so thats nice.

But after you install the latest -- can you go roll back by reinstalling prior firmware if for some reason it makes things worse?

But after you install the latest -- can you go roll back by reinstalling prior firmware if for some reason it makes things worse?
Only if you've got a copy of earliers versions on CD

I think I am willing to pay the 15 bucks to get an official version rather than a hacked one. I'm sorry, but I don't want to take the (albeit very small) risk of screwing with my player.

well curiosity got the best of me & i applied the multi-region hacked version from the above link. i must say the PQ does seem to be a tad bit better with the new version.

thanks guys for all your help.
Carmine.

well curiosity got the best of me & i applied the multi-region hacked version from the above link. i must say the PQ does seem to be a tad bit better with the new version.

thanks guys for all your help.
Carmine.
So now, if you've got a PAL capable display, check out 576i/p vs 480i/p - you will be amazed at the pq improvement that PAL provides


I think I am willing to pay the 15 bucks to get an official version rather than a hacked one. I'm sorry, but I don't want to take the (albeit very small) risk of screwing with my player.
Go on, try it - why waste the 15 bucks, you could get a few beers for that :)

don't think my display is pal compatible. how would i check?

Carmine.

don't think my display is pal compatible. how would i check?

Carmine.

Play a PAL DVD. :)

I've checked out PAL (Phantasm 1-4 Remastered UK Set) and it almost looks like Auto1 has less PAL "shimmering" than Auto2 on this new firmware.

Also I gotta say the image is better. I watched the new release of Sha po lang (http://www.twitchfilm.net/archives/004888.html) last night and the picture was beautiful. :)

Where did you download the firmware from?

The post following yours is correct. I downloaded the firmware from:

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

After viewing for a couple of days, I have switch my IRE setting from 0 to 7.5. At zero, the black detail appeared "crushed", whereas at 7.5 there was more detail visible such as folds in dark clothing. But, at 7.5 there are some things that appear a bit "washed out".

When I have some time this weekend, I will recalibrate with Avia/DVE because my speculation is that the new firmware has induced some changes that require a recalibration of various video settings on the TV. I think the changes are positive, just different, requiring different TV video settings to take full advantage of. Will report back.

web

The post following yours is correct. I downloaded the firmware from:

http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

After viewing for a couple of days, I have switch my IRE setting from 0 to 7.5. At zero, the black detail appeared "crushed", whereas at 7.5 there was more detail visible such as folds in dark clothing. But, at 7.5 there are some things that appear a bit "washed out".

When I have some time this weekend, I will recalibrate with Avia/DVE because my speculation is that the new firmware has induced some changes that require a recalibration of various video settings on the TV. I think the changes are positive, just different, requiring different TV video settings to take full advantage of. Will report back.

web

Changes from 0 to 7.5 IRE requires major changes in brightness and contrast.

For example, my ISF tech came up with the following for the two on my SXRD:
0 IRE Contrast 50 and brightness 31
7.5 IRE Contrast 58 and brightness 16

It makes perfect sense that going to 7.5 (if previously calibrated for 0) will make the picture "washed out".

Hi all,

As I am a newbie with respect to both HD in general and this forum, please bear with me.

I recently bought this Sony XBR 32 inch LCD to pair. I paired it with the Yamaha progressive scan DVD player (S5650) that I bought about 1.5 years ago. Upon thorough testing out this combo, I have found out that the PQ is overall nice. Additionally, to my eyes, the 480i option produces better than the 480p one, probably due to a better scaling technology employed by the XBR. BTW, the TV calibration has been done via advice and suggestion obtained from this forum.

I then wanted to experiment with the HDMI feature of the XBR, so I bought the entry level Sony DVPNS70H. I immediately noticed the improvement with respect to both the color (more vibrant), the clarity and sharpness. Especially, I realized that the graininess in the dark background (e.g., the opening scene of the Godfather Part I) was about 85% eliminated. I did not see any macroblocking. Regarding the shifting issues, it all depended on the movies. Overall, I was quite impressed with the improvement, probably because this was the only upscaling HDMI image that I had a personal knowledge with. However, I was not too sure whether the improvement would justify the price tag, although it was relatively "cheap" compared to other upscaling players. Additionally, I was not sure if it would be an appropriate companion to this nice display set, because I always felt that the image could be significantly better.

After searching the net, I came across this forum and I found out about the existence of this Denon 2910 and other alternatives. Despite the fact that I have done extensive search, I could not find any comments on the combination of this DVD player and the Sony XBR LCD. Could someone please kindly provide me some advice or inputs with respect to the followings:

(1) Would I see a dramatic improvement on PQ?
(2) Any problem with macroblocking?
(3) Any graininess or discoloration (i.e., green push) in light of the newest firmware?
(4) Other issues?

Thanks so much in advance,

Jen

1) I am not so sure you would see much of a difference...primarily because of the small screen size.
2) The 2910 will show MB on some displays...don't know with yours.
3) Should not be a problem.
4) Price, perhaps?


How about buying one and test on your display; if it is worth it to you, keep it..if not, return it. :)

3) Should not be a problem.

As much as I hate to say this the green push is still there if the Hue is at 0 over HDMI YCrCb on D firmware, though +2 seems more or less neutral more than before.

Haven't switched to HDMI RGB yet.

As much as I hate to say this the green push is still there if the Hue is at 0 over HDMI YCrCb on D firmware, though +2 seems more or less neutral more than before.

Haven't switched to HDMI RGB yet.

Maybe I've missed something on this thread; but, where does the "green push" come from?

I'm using the "A" version (everything at factory defaults) and YCrCb over HDMI to a Sony SXRD. During my recent ISF, the tech said my DVD input with defaults on the Sony provided "perfect color" (i.e., no pushing) consistent with the SXRD's designed level of over saturation on all three primaries.

Hello,

I own a 2910, and *think* I've seen both of these. But I want to be sure. The 2910 is directly connected to my Dell W5001C plasma via both component and HDMI (so it's easy to compare the two).

Regarding green push: If I start of by viewing a scene over the component connection, then switch to HDMI, the scene is definitely more green. This is particularly noticable in dark blue (e.g. night) scenes. Does this sound like "green push"? The color and tint settings for both inputs on the TV are as close as I can get them using DVE.

Regarding macroblocking: Do people really see macroblocking, or is it really the "macroblocking enhancement bug"? Can someone describe what this would look like (or maybe even reference an exact scene on a poplular DVD that exhibits the behavior)? I've seen some artifacts that I would describe as blotchiness in areas of slight gradations in shade (often in sky or dark walls). But other times similar scenes appear flawless. Is the severity of macroblocking (or MEB) related to how much "work" the decoder has to do on a particular scene?

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

Hello,

Regarding green push: If I start of by viewing a scene over the component connection, then switch to HDMI, the scene is definitely more green. This is particularly noticable in dark blue (e.g. night) scenes. Does this sound like "green push"? The color and tint settings for both inputs on the TV are as close as I can get them using DVE.

Thanks in advance to anyone who responds.

Green push is a fault of the color decoder. I primarily use Avia, but I'm pretty sure that DVE has a screen where you can measure all three primary colors (test of the color decoder) with plus and minus readings (i.e., +5%, +10%, -10%, etc.). If you calibrate for a perfect blue (0%) and the green is high (e.g., +20%), then you have green push. Otherwise, a green tint could come from a poor grayscale.

I downloaded the software and flashed my 2910 on Saturday, calibrated my Mit 73727 DLP with the SpyderTV. Huge picture improvement, I am very impressed with who ever tweaked the bios.
Thank you very much!!!

Where is the official Denon release on this??

Where is the official Denon release on this??

Good question, to bad we have not seen an official release. I would post this and tell anyone to use it. One comment, I use DMI connector to the set and digital to the 4806. I didnt have a picture when I looked at the tv and hit the output buttons. When the correct output is up you will then see your picture. Went through and re-setup everything including the black level to 0 instead of 7.5. SpyderTV took it from there. Using SD DVD's was for me the biggest gain, picture is sharp and no artifacts that I could see. Just an overall improvement in everything.

Ive browsed through other owners threads for denon and have seen some reports of people frying their players after installing firmware. Has anyone had this problem with the 2910. I just bought the thing 2 weeks ago and don't want to bake it before I really get to tweak the dang thang.

I'm trying to locate the 6720-B f/w (not region free - just the retail USA NTSC version). Any idea where I could downlaod this? Denon's page will only offer me the -A f/w.

Ive browsed through other owners threads for denon and have seen some reports of people frying their players after installing firmware. Has anyone had this problem with the 2910. I just bought the thing 2 weeks ago and don't want to bake it before I really get to tweak the dang thang.

i've done mine 3 times. once it froze up. a friend of mine got it to come back by repeating the "initialize" procedure. i was scared, but not as scared as when i flashed the software in my BMW navigation system.

should be fine.

If you're using coax, make sure you did not connect the Denon's line-level audio output to your receiver's SPDIF coax input by mistake. That could cause damage to a receiver.

Is this true?

Does anyone know if the 2910 can be hacked to upconvert over component. Sorry if this has been discussed but I didn't want to drill through 70 pages of posts to find out.

Thanks!

Does anyone know if the 2910 can be hacked to upconvert over component. Sorry if this has been discussed but I didn't want to drill through 70 pages of posts to find out.

Thanks!
No

No you don't know or no it can't?

Thanks!

Its not possible.
(That i know of.) I read the first 22 pages, and the last 7? pages.

Okay, thanks for the information guys.

Don

Hi folks,
I've been lurking on AVS for a while and decided that since we're buying a Plasma set, it's time to join up so I can add to the fun. I've spent far too many hours browsing DVD, Display, and Video Processor threads to stay on the sidelines:-).

Anyway, we're getting a Pioneer 930 Elite (43" Plasma) to go with our Denon DVD-2910 player. The current setup connects the Denon DVD player to our Sony set on component. The plan on the new set is to have HDMI connection between the DVD-2910 and the 930 so we can enjoy (hopefully!) an upconverted signal. We're also going to likely have a DVI-HDMI cable connecting our Motorola STB to the set, thus making use of both HDMI inputs on the Pioneer. I have a few DVD related questions:

a) On the upconversion, I understand that the player can do the upconverting (de-interlacing and scaling) directly, through the 720p and 1080i settings if we have the HDMI connection cables -- probably Monster unless somebody can convince me that the Belkin Razor Vision is really worth it with the new setup. Are we better off letting the DVD player do the upconversion, or better off setting the HDMI output to 480p (which means the DVD handling the de-interlacing) and having the Pioneer do it?

b) I have several Israeli Region 2 PAL DVDs that we've ordered on the Internet or purchased in Israel on a trip last year. They play fine on the DVD-2910, which was a nice surprise, given we picked up an el-cheapo JVC multizone six months before we bought the DVD-2910. I do have to formally hit NTSC after loading the disc to get a reasonable picture (even though the player's video is set to MULTI).

What I want to know if when we hook up the 2910 to the 930 TV, will we still be able to watch the PAL (converted to NTSC?) discs through the HDMI connection. The set's HPCP as far as I know, and of course the Denon DVI and HDMI outputs are. If so, will upconversion occur to the full 720p/1080i, or more like 540i?

From reading the threads, I'm not clear about whether we'll still be able to view the PAL DVDs (converted to NTSC by the Denon DVD player) on anything but 480i component. As far as I know, the Pioneer's only NTSC.

c) The firmware is 6720-B, Model 0610. Since we've tried maybe a dozen Region 2 DVDs and they've all worked (some were picked up at a video store abroad that ONLY sells PAL), is there any point in updating the firmware when we already have no problems with audio (Coaxial output for DVD, analog with HDMI set to 2 channel for DVD-audio and SACD)? We're planning to listen to the audio through our home theater Klipsch Reference series speakers, so we really don't care about multichannel HDMI. I'm very reluctant to tamper with the player on the risk of frying the installed firmware.

Thanks in advance for any help.

Stuart

From reading the threads, I'm not clear about whether we'll still be able to view the PAL DVDs (converted to NTSC by the Denon DVD player) on anything but 480i component. As far as I know, the Pioneer's only NTSC.

I run PAL DVDs all the time over HDMI on my 2910. 720x576i/p, 720p PAL isn't supported, and 1080i runs at 1920x540p. Personally I think the 576p resolution looks better than the funky 540p "upscale." It seems like your gaining a little more with 1920 from 720 but stepping down from 576 to 540. The PAL image looks more stable and a little more natural at the "standard" 720x576p resolution.

Also I'm unsure if it's the player or my Sammy DLP doing it but PAL correctly runs at 50Hz on my set-up. PAL runs fine over DVI too.

I posted this on the surround site as well: I just bought REM's Document dual disc and when I listen to this disc it skips when the lyrics page changes. Even if I turn the lyrics off it still skips. Any suggestions on how to defeat this with the 2910? I have not had this problem with any other discs (SACD, DVDA, or DualDiscs).

Any suggestions on how to defeat this with the 2910?

Well, DualDiscs don't follow spec so it's pretty much a "get what you get" situation because the player wasn't designed to support the format. Could try another player, but other problems could appear...or not. That said, I've never owned one. :o

Trying to burn new firmware onto disc. Havent attempted yet but I noticed that the settings have to be set to iso9660 without joliet according to the above website. Denon shows some examples but I'm not using either of those programs. My options are only iso+joliet and iso+joliet+udf. Does this matter? Using sonic digital media.

Trying to burn new firmware onto disc. Havent attempted yet but I noticed that the settings have to be set to iso9660 without joliet according to the above website. Denon shows some examples but I'm not using either of those programs. My options are only iso+joliet and iso+joliet+udf. Does this matter? Using sonic digital media.
I don't think you want to use UDF. That doesn't mean the other setting is correct either though. You might want to go to the software maker's website and look for more information and/or a FAQ. Hmmm, I don't think I was any help . . .

Hey guys. Sorry if this has been answered already, but just a simple question. Can i play a Region 2 PAL DVD after applying the region-free firmware? Will my tv accept a PAL signal?

thanks so much guys.
Carmine.

Hey guys. Sorry if this has been answered already, but just a simple question. Can i play a Region 2 PAL DVD after applying the region-free firmware? Will my tv accept a PAL signal?
Guess that would depend on what kind of TV you have. Set the output to "Auto" and see what happens. :) If it's an NTSC set like mine, if you set the output to NTSC, a PAL encoded movie will be converted to NTSC and will be played. I don't have region-free firmware, but I can play region-stripped, PAL movies without problems.

Sometimes you can go overboard.

You know, after all this damn tweaking on my 2910 on D-Day MR firmware, I found the ol' "STD" default picture setting best. I'm relatively sure this setting has everything at 0 except maybe a notch or two up on the brightness or white levels and the IRE at 7.5.

0 Hue (STD's setting) looks more or less perfect in terms of the infamous green push. I set various levels of hues across the M slots and simply scrolled through each to compare.

-1 - Green
0 - ever so slightly green. It's truly slight and not recognizable during playback. I'd say this is more-or-less neutral. I'm going to agree with some posters eariler, green push is all but gone on D firmware.
+1 - slighty red. It almost appears to gloss over the image slightly.
+2 - red to the point it contaminates the black level.

I did this watching the Columbia R1 edition of the Night of the Living Dead 1990 remake. Despite its age, I like this DVD due to it's neutraulity in coloration, its filmic appearance, and for not being filtered with tons of DNR.

Perhaps the firmware phantom who's been creating these updates since Denon's "A" (or Denon themselves) has based the PQ improvements using the "STD" setting.

I'd advise everyone to give it a try. :)

I apologize in advance for not going through 72 pages to see if this has been addressed, but last night I had the damndest time getting my 2910 to "permit me" to change the PCM/Bitstream setting in the set-up menu and the audio screen. I found that my Denon 2910, which had been installed previously in my separate basement projector based HT had been inexplicably set to stereo and further, each time I went into the set up menu to try and re-set the audio settings, the screen would not offer the PCM/Bitstream as an option to reset-it was visible but "darkened" such that it could not be changed. I had to "play" with the HDMI settings on the digital portion of the Denon setup menu before it finally offered me the option of resetting the audio to multichannel and bitstream. The Denon 2910 owners manual is totally devoid of any information about why it works this way. Frankly, I still don't know what I changed in one of the prior screens that finally caused all the options to illuminate and become "active" in the audio screen. Can someone please explain what I must have done and why the 2910 is designed this way? Can someone point to a section of the instructions/owners manual that explains this?

... 0 Hue (STD's setting) looks more or less perfect in terms of the infamous green push. I set various levels of hues across the M slots and simply scrolled through each to compare.

-1 - Green
0 - ever so slightly green. It's truly slight and not recognizable during playback. I'd say this is more-or-less neutral. I'm going to agree with some posters eariler, green push is all but gone on D firmware.
+1 - slighty red. It almost appears to gloss over the image slightly.
+2 - red to the point it contaminates the black level.

My same exact observation with that firmware. The only difference I am using 0 IRE with the display adjusted (contrast and brightness) accordingly. Display is a Mitsubishi 65813 (RP-CRT, 9" CRTs) connected to the 2910 via component.

web

I am having issues with my 2910.
Tonight, we received two DVD's from Netflix. So after I finished dinner, we popped in the first DVD. It played flawlessly. So we took a mini break and popped in the second DVD and the 2910 would not read the disc!! When you close the tray, the 2910 tries to read the disc but can not. In fact, I can often tell if it is going to load the disc successfully because it seems to chatter a little louder when the load fails. I then put the DVD that we had just watched back in the 2910 to see if the disc I had been trying to load was bad , but it would not play either. I tried two or three others from my library and they would not load either. It wouldn't even take my cleaning disc.
Now this is not the first time I have had these issues with this player. The problem seems to happen off and on. Now, I had not had any issues with it for about 5 or 6 weeks. Then tonight it starts acting up again. :mad:
I thought maybe it is just somehow getting a bit to warm and causing it to act up. (I don't think this is the case as the player sits by it self on an open shelf) So I unplugged it for about 7 or 8 minutes and tried it again and nothing... no luck. So I unplugged it again and got on line to surf a few A/V forums for about 1/2 hour and just tried it again and now it is working.
Has anyone had this issue with the 2910? Seems like a very finicky DVD player and I am less than impressed with its dependability.


Craig

I apologize in advance for not going through 72 pages to see if this has been addressed, but last night I had the damndest time getting my 2910 to "permit me" to change the PCM/Bitstream setting in the set-up menu and the audio screen. I found that my Denon 2910, which had been installed previously in my separate basement projector based HT had been inexplicably set to stereo and further, each time I went into the set up menu to try and re-set the audio settings, the screen would not offer the PCM/Bitstream as an option to reset-it was visible but "darkened" such that it could not be changed. I had to "play" with the HDMI settings on the digital portion of the Denon setup menu before it finally offered me the option of resetting the audio to multichannel and bitstream. The Denon 2910 owners manual is totally devoid of any information about why it works this way. Frankly, I still don't know what I changed in one of the prior screens that finally caused all the options to illuminate and become "active" in the audio screen. Can someone please explain what I must have done and why the 2910 is designed this way? Can someone point to a section of the instructions/owners manual that explains this?

Sometimes this happens if a disc is inadvertently left in the player - it had me stumped a couple of times like this until I removed the disc.
Geoff.

I can't activate/Turn ON subtitles via the Denon 2910. I have to stop the DVD and go to the DVD main menu and activate/Turn ON from there. My Denon is hooked up to my HDTV via HDMI. Is there anyone having this problem?

Hi,

I've just bought the Denon 2910 and I am pretty pleased with it. :) I've hooked it up to my Loewe Basic LCD TV and to my Denon 1800 amplifyer.

First of all, after searching the Internet and finding out as to how to check the current firmware, I learned that my 2910 has the 6720-5 firnware. Going over this forum it seems that the latest version is the 6720-D. That version can be downloaded for free but it's hacked: it makes the player DVD-free. The official firmware can be bought from a Dutch company (I am Dutch too).

Here's the questions I have and hope someone can enlighten me! :)

* Does anyone have any idea why Denon is reluctant to post the latest firmware on their site? Nowadays, updating firnware isn't too much of a risk is it?
* I am not able to setup my speakers configuration. It only shows that I have two large front speakers (center and other speakers are NONE). Also, at the audio section setup the first 5 options are 'greyed out' so I can change it. Might this be due to the old(er) firmware?
* I have connected the 2910 to the 1800 using the analogue output on the 2910 and the 6ext.in on the 1800. The 2910 now plays SACD and the analogue output also but it looks like it only sends out audio for the fron speakers. This is probably also duie to the old(er) firmware, right? Or should I change an other setting?

Thanks for your help!

I am having issues with my 2910.
Tonight, we received two DVD's from Netflix. So after I finished dinner, we popped in the first DVD. It played flawlessly. So we took a mini break and popped in the second DVD and the 2910 would not read the disc!! When you close the tray, the 2910 tries to read the disc but can not. In fact, I can often tell if it is going to load the disc successfully because it seems to chatter a little louder when the load fails. I then put the DVD that we had just watched back in the 2910 to see if the disc I had been trying to load was bad , but it would not play either. I tried two or three others from my library and they would not load either. It wouldn't even take my cleaning disc.
Now this is not the first time I have had these issues with this player. The problem seems to happen off and on. Now, I had not had any issues with it for about 5 or 6 weeks. Then tonight it starts acting up again. :mad:
I thought maybe it is just somehow getting a bit to warm and causing it to act up. (I don't think this is the case as the player sits by it self on an open shelf) So I unplugged it for about 7 or 8 minutes and tried it again and nothing... no luck. So I unplugged it again and got on line to surf a few A/V forums for about 1/2 hour and just tried it again and now it is working.
Has anyone had this issue with the 2910? Seems like a very finicky DVD player and I am less than impressed with its dependability.


Craig
You might want to try the following. I had issues with Star Wars III Dvd; the player didn't recognize it. I phoned the local distributor here and he said that there were some misprints of the DVD. It had a little burr on the inner ring. They advised me to take a pair of siscors and to remove this burr by scraping the inner ring. It worked beautifully!!

imbean: in "Audio Setup" do you have your audio set to "multi-channel"? I believe that will open up all of those options.

@bruce73

Yes I believe so. It's funny; I took the risk of upgrading the firmware to the latest version (6720-D) and I did actually have all the option available. When I accessed the setup later again, they were unavailable again. You're probably right that some option needs to be set to this or that setting in order to open up. I'll try to figure it out.

Am I right that using the analogue output that it replaces the decoder of one's amplifier when connected to its extn.in? I still seems that it's like double stereo, if you get me here.

THanks for your reply, Bruce

imbean, are you in the HDMI audio set-up or audio set-up menu?

imbean,

You must set the HDMI audio mode to 2-channel in order for the other multi-channel audio settings to become enabled. If the HDMI is set to multi-channel, then all the other audio settings are grayed-out in the menus.

@damnationdoormat and bmeeks8

Thanks guys, I've got it working now. I was able to hook up the analogue output to my ext. in of my amplifier. I love the sound! Still, the sub-woofer doesn't seem to be working yet. I'll dive into that later. I've got super audio, DVD-audio and the audio of DVD's working via the analogue output. I do believe the decoders (both Dolby digital and DTS) of the 2910 are much better than the decoders in my old(er) Denon AVR-1800.

I really love my new toy!! :)

Still, the sub-woofer doesn't seem to be working yet.

Put Source Direct on in the Audio Set-up. Should work, I had the same problem.

I was just curious about this.

Does anyone think the 2910 would score higher (or lower?) than 86 in the Secrets DVD Benchmark with all these firmware revisions since then?

Probably not, though it's fun to speculate...

I was just curious about this.

Does anyone think the 2910 would score higher (or lower?) than 86 in the Secrets DVD Benchmark with all these firmware revisions since then?

Probably not, though it's fun to speculate...


Undoubtably...Kris has re-reviewed players before and changed his assessment. :cool:

You might want to try the following. I had issues with Star Wars III Dvd; the player didn't recognize it. I phoned the local distributor here and he said that there were some misprints of the DVD. It had a little burr on the inner ring. They advised me to take a pair of siscors and to remove this burr by scraping the inner ring. It worked beautifully!!

A bit of an update from my last post…

Well, I have decided to send my 2910 back to the shop to get looked at. My warranty was going to expire in a few days and I just don't want to chance it. I am told it will be gone a month or so. :(
The problem is, my Denon 2910 has just not been reliable.
I should have sent it back within the first month I had it, but it didn’t always malfunction and it would sometimes go a few weeks before having problems again.
At first it had incredibly slow loads. We are talking two or three minutes before it would finally read a disc. Then, you could attempt to load the same disc again and it would load relatively fast.
I tried running a cleaning disc through it. It didn’t help. The player would eventually malfunction again later, sometimes a week or two later.
I had a home theater meet about two months ago with about 25 people in attendance and when I tried loading the new version of Titanic, it took a good four or five minutes, but the disc eventually loaded. I just finished building a dedicated room so I have had several events in the past few months. It has got to the point that I literally have to hold my breath every time I put a DVD in for demo purposes or for watching a movie. Most of the time, it works fine. But when it malfunctions, it is pretty embarrassing when you have this really nice theater, but it does not work right. :(
The problem eventually worsened to the point that on occasion a disc would not load at all. At first, shutting the player off and then unplugging it seemed to remedy the issue. But it has slowly gotten to the point that even unplugging does not resolve the problem.
The straw that broke the camels back was last week (Tuesday) not being able to load a disc no matter what I tried. After unplugging the player for about ½ hour or so, it then worked fine. In fact, it has worked flawlessly since.
I have decided to send it in because the problem seems to be getting progressively worse. I am afraid it will eventually get to the point that it just quits working all together.

So for the next month or so, I will have to suffer with my poor little Panasonic RP 81, which is a respectable player. But not on par with the 2910.

Craig

Put Source Direct on in the Audio Set-up. Should work, I had the same problem.

I find that setting all speakers to "small" sounds the best for Hi-res audio. It's really the only way to get any sort of effective bass management on this player. My fronts sound much cleaner since I did this (Night and Day compared to Source Direct). I also boost the sub by +5 dB although you might want to boost it a bit more for SACD.

I find that setting all speakers to "small" sounds the best for Hi-res audio. It's really the only way to get any sort of effective bass management on this player. My fronts sound much cleaner since I did this (Night and Day compared to Source Direct). I also boost the sub by +5 dB although you might want to boost it a bit more for SACD.
My position is that there are NO "large" speakers, at least none that mere mortals can afford. If a particular system benefits from a subwoofer, then it is not "large." For a speaker to be "large" it must have robust and clean output to 20Hz, or better yet, 16Hz.

Suffolk:

I don't know how you found the patience to deal with that player!
You are right...send that puppy back!!!!

My position is that there are NO "large" speakers, at least none that mere mortals can afford. If a particular system benefits from a subwoofer, then it is not "large." For a speaker to be "large" it must have robust and clean output to 20Hz, or better yet, 16Hx.

Agreed...only select LARGE if you don't have a sub. :)

Suffolk:

I don't know how you found the patience to deal with that player!
You are right...send that puppy back!!!!


Yea... at times, it has pretty frustrating.
On the other hand, I have had the chance to sit down and watch some short clips with the Panny RP 81 and as respectable as the little panny is, I can't wait to get back my 2910.

Craig

I'm just going to keep whining until they release the -D firmware to the public instead of the h@x0r region free version.

I'm just going to keep whining until they release the -D firmware to the public instead of the h@x0r region free version.

I'm happy with the h@x0r region free version :D :p

ha and I am sure most people are. I'm simply paranoid.

@ everyone who responded

My sub woofer is working now. I loaded my 2910 with the original 6720-D firmware and probably the default settings already made my sub woofer work. Should anyone wanna have this original firmware, just drop me a line. It's the European firmware though so it'll set your region code to 2.

I do have large speakers on both ends so I assumed that both should be set to large. I'll give it a shot this weekend to set them to small.

Oh, any feedback on using the analogue output of the 2910 instead of the built-in decoders of my denon AVR-1800: I really think the decoding by the 2910 is far better! The sound is great :)

@ everyone who responded

My sub woofer is working now. I loaded my 2910 with the original 6720-D firmware and probably the default settings already made my sub woofer work. Should anyone wanna have this original firmware, just drop me a line. It's the European firmware though so it'll set your region code to 2.

I do have large speakers on both ends so I assumed that both should be set to large. I'll give it a shot this weekend to set them to small.

Oh, any feedback on using the analogue output of the 2910 instead of the built-in decoders of my denon AVR-1800: I really think the decoding by the 2910 is far better! The sound is great :)

I used the 6 analog outputs on the 2910 because I liked the DACs better than what is in my Outlaw audio processor. However, I recently added a Felston DD540 for lip sync issues; and therefore, now I normally use the optical cable. However, for music I still use the analogs.

@ everyone who responded

My sub woofer is working now. I loaded my 2910 with the original 6720-D firmware and probably the default settings already made my sub woofer work. Should anyone wanna have this original firmware, just drop me a line. It's the European firmware though so it'll set your region code to 2.

I do have large speakers on both ends so I assumed that both should be set to large. I'll give it a shot this weekend to set them to small.

Oh, any feedback on using the analogue output of the 2910 instead of the built-in decoders of my denon AVR-1800: I really think the decoding by the 2910 is far better! The sound is great :)

I used the 6 analog outputs on the 2910 because I liked the DACs better than what is in my Outlaw audio processor. However, I recently added a Felston DD540 for lip sync issues; and therefore, now I normally use the optical cable. However, for music I still use the analogs.

Agreed...only select LARGE if you don't have a sub. :)
The upshot of my point is that EVERYONE should have a sub (because there are no "large" speakers).

I just wanted to say I was watching Run Lola Run last night and I noticed all these tiny film imperfections I had never noticed before. Unsure if it's the "D" firmware update, but I'm digging the clarity. :D

I broke down and bought the US Denon -D firmware release from jvbdigital.com. Should be here tomorrow....

The upshot of my point is that EVERYONE should have a sub (because there are no "large" speakers).


DITTO... ;)

The upshot of my point is that EVERYONE should have a sub (because there are no "large" speakers).


I dont know, my 12" drivers on my front mains give my 12" Velodyne sub competition.

Maybe I just need a bigger sub? ;-)

I got the firmware upgrade disc in the mail today. Put it in the machine it said "Write-erase-write" for a minute or so then "Completed." I turned the machine off and then back on. It now states 6720-D and is not region free. So, as it stands, the only way to get a copy of the firmware update non-h@x0r3d style is through www.jvbdigital.com (that I know of)

I got the firmware upgrade disc in the mail today. Put it in the machine it said "Write-erase-write" for a minute or so then "Completed."

That's what happen with the region free version I downloaded. ;) :D

I think about it this way. If D isn't being offered on Denon's website and I bought the firmware from a unaffiliated third party, would Denon's policy be voided if something went wrong? Probably. So why pay for it if you're going to do it. Plus I trust a disc I burn myself to a mysterious one I get in the mail from God knows who. :o

Plus I need region free either way with my vast collection of imported DVDs. :)

I got the firmware upgrade disc in the mail today. Put it in the machine it said "Write-erase-write" for a minute or so then "Completed." I turned the machine off and then back on. It now states 6720-D and is not region free. So, as it stands, the only way to get a copy of the firmware update non-h@x0r3d style is through www.jvbdigital.com (that I know of)


Now you have the latest firmware that isn't region-free...Good Luck. :)

It now states 6720-D and is not region free. So, as it stands, the only way to get a copy of the firmware update non-h@x0r3d style is through www.jvbdigital.com (that I know of)

Also are you sure it's not region free? I'm seeing all "codefree" updates on that site. :confused:

*Edit: Now I see it, hidden away... :p

Now you have the latest firmware that isn't region-free...Good Luck. :)

I promise to stop my whining :)

That's what happen with the region free version I downloaded. ;) :D

I think about it this way. If D isn't being offered on Denon's website and I bought the firmware from a unaffiliated third party, would Denon's policy be voided if something went wrong? Probably. So why pay for it if you're going to do it. Plus I trust a disc I burn myself to a mysterious one I get in the mail from God knows who. :o

Plus I need region free either way with my vast collection of imported DVDs. :)

Either way we are taking risks, I guess. Though, and it is debatable, I have more confidence in a non-region free version as being a legitimate update. They also say this firmware is "supplied by Denon." Then again, this website does market itself as "web's widest selection of DVD modifications" :rolleyes:

I got the firmware upgrade disc in the mail today. Put it in the machine it said "Write-erase-write" for a minute or so then "Completed." I turned the machine off and then back on. It now states 6720-D and is not region free. So, as it stands, the only way to get a copy of the firmware update non-h@x0r3d style is through www.jvbdigital.com (that I know of)
What makes you think JVB Digital's is not hacked?

Here's the new Region Free remote hack as from Videohelp:


Region code hack posted by kopvanzuid, January 17 2006:
Remote control hack! This hack needs NO firmware upgrade.

Found at http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=279656

To make the Denon DVD-2910, 3910 and A1XV play DVDs from all regions:

1. Ensure there is no disc in the player.
2. Power off using the front panel On/Off button (not standby).
3. Press and hold Open/Close, Play and Skip Reverse (I<<).
4. Keep the above buttons held and Power-up the player using the On/Off button, holding the above buttons until the player's name disappears from the front panel.
5. Wait until the player finishes LOADING and the front panel of the player shows 0:00:00.
6. On the remote handset, press in sequence; 7 3 1 9 4 6 2 8
7. The unit should enter standby mode. On the front panel of the player, press the Standby button to turn the player back on.
8. To confirm the update, press on the front panel Stop and Skip Forward (>>I). The front panel should briefly display “Region_Ax” where x is the original region number. If not, then repeat the process 1-7 above.

Successfully applied to a Canadian DVD-3910.

What makes you think JVB Digital's is not hacked?

As I stated in my above post, they claim their firmware is "supplied by Denon." I think if any modifications were made they would mention them; it is a site devoted to mods. Regardless, I can't prove it one way or another without asking them directly. As far as I am concerned, I will take them at their word on the advertisement that it is "supplied by Denon" and thus factory. Any evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to concede that I was duped.

Here's the new Region Free remote hack as from Videohelp:
I don't think this should be called a "hack." It MUST be something built in by Denon.

As I stated in my above post, they claim their firmware is "supplied by Denon." I think if any modifications were made they would mention them; it is a site devoted to mods. Regardless, I can't prove it one way or another without asking them directly. As far as I am concerned, I will take them at their word on the advertisement that it is "supplied by Denon" and thus factory. Any evidence to the contrary, I'd be happy to concede that I was duped.
Semantics, perhaps. Suspicious and cynical, for sure. That said, It is a site dedicated to mods and "supplied by Denon" does not mean they haven't modded it before passing it along. My ultimate suspicion is that, for the money, JVB Digital opens the boxes of the units sent to them and does the remote control thingy posted by kopvanzuid and ships 'em back Geez, what a racket.

Semantics, perhaps. Suspicious and cynical, for sure. That said, It is a site dedicated to mods and "supplied by Denon" does not mean they haven't modded it before passing it along. My ultimate suspicion is that, for the money, JVB Digital opens the boxes of the units sent to them and does the remote control thingy posted by kopvanzuid and ships 'em back Geez, what a racket.

On the racket front, I agree. Supplied by Denon also does not mean they haven't modded it, I agree. They more than likely downloaded that firmware off the unit, burned it to a CD and are now selling it. I am surprised though, as I bought my unit as late as November and it came with the -C revision of the firmware. The denon "region free" page posted their version in late December so I am curious as to when this version made it into shipping players. No one here has posted, as far as I know, that their unit was shipped with -D. All the units that are factory units sold by jvbdigital.com claim to come with -D. Will it, in the end, prove to be a waste of money? Probably. The US firmware would have made it onto the web in some capacity or another at some point. I didn't feel like waiting and the 15 bucks didn't kill me. Blame it on my OCD for wanting to have everything "current."

I didn't feel like waiting and the 15 bucks didn't kill me. Blame it on my OCD for wanting to have everything "current."
I understand that completely, but my Pennsylvania Dutch-ness won't let me spend even $15 unless it's clear there's something gained. :)

Ok, now I am pissed. I don't seem to be getting any output whatsoever for the subwoofer test-tone in the audio menu setup. The weird thing is the subwoofer activates when playing an SACD but I can't calibrate it without the tone. I wonder if I should never have fiddled with that firmware in the first place......

Nevermind. I fixed it. I had to reset the unit to it would read "initialized" on the screen. Now I am getting a test tone.

Nevermind. I fixed it. I had to reset the unit to it would read "initialized" on the screen. Now I am getting a test tone.
Isn't it nice to have a place you can find solutions to your problems? :)

I <3 this place

There is a ebay seller who mods the 2910 for SDI output (they provide new 2910's and complete the mod before shipping). I think the 2910 is a good candidate with the ability to change to region free play with the remote codes. My concern is the mod would render the player's warranty null and void. My impression is this player is a little buggy and it would be a risky candidate to own without a warranty. Am I over reacting? Does anyone have any opinions or throughts? I would love to hear them

Ron

On the racket front, I agree. Supplied by Denon also does not mean they haven't modded it, I agree. They more than likely downloaded that firmware off the unit, burned it to a CD and are now selling it. I am surprised though, as I bought my unit as late as November and it came with the -C revision of the firmware. The denon "region free" page posted their version in late December so I am curious as to when this version made it into shipping players. No one here has posted, as far as I know, that their unit was shipped with -D. All the units that are factory units sold by jvbdigital.com claim to come with -D. Will it, in the end, prove to be a waste of money? Probably. The US firmware would have made it onto the web in some capacity or another at some point. I didn't feel like waiting and the 15 bucks didn't kill me. Blame it on my OCD for wanting to have everything "current."

Does anyone know the "upgrades" available in "D" verus "A" versions of the firmware?

Does anyone know the "upgrades" available in "D" verus "A" versions of the firmware?
I'd be surprised if that is known as the version seems to only come on new units and is not available for download.

I'd be surprised if that is known as the version seems to only come on new units and is not available for download.
D version is available from here http://www.denon2910.freehomepage.com/

Yes, but as we discussed before, it is a "hacked" version that is region free. I'm not trying to discourage you from downloading it as there have been NO reports of any problems as far as I have seen. However, it is something to consider. The site makes vague references to the improvements between A and D but does not mention B and C. My player came with C. The improvements/changes seem to center around HDMI and DVI quality but it's anyone's guess.

Yes, but as we discussed before, it is a "hacked" version that is region free. I'm not trying to discourage you from downloading it as there have been NO reports of any problems as far as I have seen. However, it is something to consider. The site makes vague references to the improvements between A and D but does not mention B and C. My player came with C. The improvements/changes seem to center around HDMI and DVI quality but it's anyone's guess.


Ed,

Are you having problems with your current firmware?
If not, don't worry about it.

If anyone wants region free, download from the above mentioned site.
If you don't, A, B, or C is just fine. :)

I have sent my 2910 back to the shop because it won't load discs dependably.
What is the latest firmware that is out?
I am not concerned with region free. If video is the best it can be with this player... I will be happy.
Is there a version I should want?

Craig

Ed,

Are you having problems with your current firmware?
If not, don't worry about it.

If anyone wants region free, download from the above mentioned site.
If you don't, A, B, or C is just fine. :)

My pseudo legitimate D was giving me an issue, but I solved it :)

I have sent my 2910 back to the shop because it won't load discs dependably.
What is the latest firmware that is out?
I am not concerned with region free. If video is the best it can be with this player... I will be happy.
Is there a version I should want?

Craig


I would ask your "shop", while it is there, to update the FW to the latest version...should do it for free IMO. :)

I would ask your "shop", while it is there, to update the FW to the latest version...should do it for free IMO. :)


OK... :)

Thanks

Craig

Hi All,

After I posted my question here to request inputs/suggestions from you experts here regarding what DVD player to get, I decided to buy the Denon 2910 to pair with my 32 inch Sony XBR LCD via HDMI. The picture looks fantastic. However, only at certain scenes although the picture of the main object was exceptionally detailed and sharp, the background seemed to be a little problematic. I noticed some graininess and artifacts on the background. Is this macroblocking that people have talked about? I believe that my Sony LCD is not susceptible to MB with the Denon 2910. Am I totally wrong? Please advise me what to do to remedy (via settings or alternatively via the radical approach - i.e., replacement) the grainy and artifact proned background.

As I also posted this portion of my concern in the other thread (Pioneer 59avi) for the purpose of deciding whether I should get the 59avi as a replacment for my 2910, I thought it would be more appropriate to ask the question here regarding the macroblocking issue, for I believe that the Denon owners would be more intimately familiar with MB.

Thanks for your help,

Jen

Hi All,

After I posted my question here to request inputs/suggestions from you experts here regarding what DVD player to get, I decided to buy the Denon 2910 to pair with my 32 inch Sony XBR LCD via HDMI. The picture looks fantastic. However, only at certain scenes although the picture of the main object was exceptionally detailed and sharp, the background seemed to be a little problematic. I noticed some graininess and artifacts on the background. Is this macroblocking that people have talked about? I believe that my Sony LCD is not susceptible to MB with the Denon 2910. Am I totally wrong? Please advise me what to do to remedy (via settings or alternatively via the radical approach - i.e., replacement) the grainy and artifact proned background.

As I also posted this portion of my concern in the other thread (Pioneer 59avi) for the purpose of deciding whether I should get the 59avi as a replacment for my 2910, I thought it would be more appropriate to ask the question here regarding the macroblocking issue, for I believe that the Denon owners would be more intimately familiar with MB.

Thanks for your help,

Jen


Jen,
I don't have any experience with your Sony but I do have the 2910 and what you describe does sound like MB. Are you upconverting with the HDMI connection? I have found that 480p gives me less noise in the picture but this is with a Samsung DLP. I try not to let the MB affect my viewing pleasure but sometimes it IS very noticeable. Sorry that you are seeing it. My wife would never notice it if you didn't point it out (which I haven't) ;)

I want to use a receiver with a 5.1 speaker setup in the home theater room simultaneously with two speakers in a second zone. To do this I need to be able to ouput a DVD player via analog to the CD input of the receiver and via digital to the DVD input.

Will the Denon 2910 let me use analog and digital outputs simultaneously?

Thanks very much.

Welsh3,

You shouldn't have a problem doing that. I have mine set up that way. Have the toslink going into the optical input on the back of my yamaha receiver and then ran analog stereo out of the dvd player to the analog inputs on the receiver. You'll just have to switch the receiver to stereo when listening to music. I think the default will send 2 channel music over digital and play it in pro logic or something else.

Sorry if this has been asked before, but I'm ready to purchase a 2910 and would like to know if a newer version (2920? or whatever) is scheduled for release within the next few months.

I certainly would not wait until the end of the year if that is when a replacement is due, but waiting until June or July would be acceptable.

Can anyone provide any information on this topic?

Thanks for all the good information posted in this thread, that is one reason I'm going for the 2910.

I can't say I've heard of any newer versions of the 2910,3910,or 5910. I was a little surprised that the 20's came out with the hd disc formats closely on the horizon. Denon may be waiting to see how this war leans before they drop a lot of dough inot their next run of mid to high class players.

I called Denon and they said they do not have any plans for upgrading the 2910.
My custom A/V shop also said they have not heard any news.
I also heard from people on avsforum, Denon will prob. stop making SD-DVD players around April.. and go full force with the HD/Blu Ray DVD players.

So there are 3 differ. sides to this.
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In other news, I rented the DVD Jarhead last night. My DVD-2910 preformed well.

I called Denon and they said they do not have any plans for upgrading the 2910.
My custom A/V shop also said they have not heard any news.
I also heard from people on avsforum, Denon will prob. stop making SD-DVD players around April.. and go full force with the HD/Blu Ray DVD players.

So there are 3 differ. sides to this.
And the last one is BS. Manufacturers will be making SD DVD players l-o-n-g after the first next gen optical disc player ships.

And the last one is BS. Manufacturers will be making SD DVD players l-o-n-g after the first next gen optical disc player ships.

Ohh ok. I'm just going by what Keenan said. Hes a smart guy.

I don't either, in fact I would be surprised if they brought anything out before mid 2007. They have already said that the 5910 is their last SD DVD player though so hopefully they have something in the works.

Edit.. when Keenan said "They" Does he mean Denon.. or..

Ohh ok. I'm just going by what Keenan said. Hes a smart guy.



Edit.. when Keenan said "They" Does he mean Denon.. or..
Well, I wasn't insinuating anything about you or the source of your information, but I'd want to see it in writing somewhere from Denon that they'll make no more SD players.

edit: I find it entirely BELIEVABLE that Denon will not make a "5920" or a 6910, for that matter.

haha yeah.
Yes, i would not hold that information until its official from Denon.

haha yeah.
Yes, i would not hold that information until its official from Denon.
As a proud and very satisfied owner of a 2910 and a 3910 (in the "serious" system), I can say that they will probably be the last SD players that I buy.

I agree, i told myself that the DVD-2910 will be the last SD-DVD player i would buy.
Nice to have both the 2910 and the 3910.

It may be that what was meant is Denon will not make another standalone SD-DVD player.

Remember, the 2 new format players are supposed to be able to play SD-DVDs.
So, if you look at it from that point of view... ;)

I have a 2910. Is there a deep, considerable difference between the 2910 and 3910? I am running a 32" Wega XBR LCD Bravia, Marantz SR8200 receiver, triangle mains, definitive tech supercube. In other words, is it worth an upgrade?

I have a 2910. Is there a deep, considerable difference between the 2910 and 3910? I am running a 32" Wega XBR LCD Bravia, Marantz SR8200 receiver, triangle mains, definitive tech supercube. In other words, is it worth an upgrade?


In your situation it would not be worth it IMO.
With your equipment the 2910 should look exceptional with the latest FW. :)

haha yeah that FW changed everything ;) What kind of setup warrants a 3910?

haha yeah that FW changed everything ;) What kind of setup warrants a 3910?
The 3910 has better DACs, DenonLink, Firewire and an additional video processing circuit.

The 3910 has better DACs, DenonLink, Firewire and an additional video processing circuit.

No offense, I know you are trying to answer his question. But I am tired of reading the same things about the 3910 over and over.

Yes the 3910 has better DAC's, build, and analog stage but if you use it as a digital transport (DenonLink or Firewire) they are a complete waste and vice versa.

It also adds pixel image correction to show macroblocking in all its wonder.

For marginal audio improvement, the same major video flaw, and 2 sets of expensive features which are mutually exclusive at nearly twice the price I cannot think of a setup that warrants it. OK maybe the only way the 3910 makes sense is with a higher end audio system using an AVR-5805 or 4806 where you use DenonLink, and wouldn't gain anything by using the 5910 as a transport only.

A 2910 + ISF calibration would cost less and give you a better picture.
A 2910 + acoustic room treatments could cost less, sound better, and possibly make your room look better.

No offense, I know you are trying to answer his question. But I am tired of reading the same things about the 3910 over and over.

Yes the 3910 has better DAC's, build, and analog stage but if you use it as a digital transport (DenonLink or Firewire) they are a complete waste and vice versa.

It also adds pixel image correction to show macroblocking in all its wonder.

For marginal audio improvement, the same major video flaw, and 2 sets of expensive features which are mutually exclusive at nearly twice the price I cannot think of a setup that warrants it. OK maybe the only way the 3910 makes sense is with a higher end audio system using an AVR-5805 or 4806 where you use DenonLink, and wouldn't gain anything by using the 5910 as a transport only.

A 2910 + ISF calibration would cost less and give you a better picture.
A 2910 + acoustic room treatments could cost less, sound better, and possibly make your room look better.
No offense taken. And that's a fair knock on my post, and one that occurred to me as I clacked it out on my keyboard. But then how can anyone decide for someone else what setup warrants a more expensive piece oif gear? Actually, I would go out on a small limb and say that "justify" is probably a better word than "warrant."

But as neutral as my answer is - and admittedly not very helpful in giving Edward the answer he was seeking - your's is positively loaded with your opinion - "tired of reading," "complete waste," "marginal," "flaw," etc - making it no more helpful than mine. You are dismissive, insulting even, to everyone who considered the two players and choose the 3910. FWIW, I own both; the 2910 for a bedroom system and the 3910 for a more serious, dedicated home theater. I made the choice for the 3910 in that system *because* of the better build, the better DACs for DVD-A/SACD playback - no Firewire or DL on my pre/pro - and the additional video processing. I do not have a display that's succeptible to macroblocking, so all I get it, "in all it's wonder," is a stunning picture.

We all make our choices based on what matters most to us and this 2910/3910 argument could apply to 3910/5910 or perhaps even 1910/2910. It is possible to explain one's choices without being defensive and attacking those who weighed the same criteria and arrived at a different decision.

No offense, but I'm tired of reading attacks on the 3910 over and over by those who merely saw things differently. Bottom line: You can't go wrong with either of them.

Bottom line: You can't go wrong with either of them.

Makes me feel good :p

I'm considering the 2910 and Pioneer 59Avi.

Can someone give me feedback on video quality for the 2910? Has anyone compared it to other players? I'd like to hear your thoughts.

Also, are there still color issues with the player? (green push, etc.) Did the firmware correct this?

I've been using a Panasonic XP-30 and Sony 3100ES player on an ISF'd Sony CRT RPTV (KP-57WS520). Both players look excellent; I wonder how the Denon 2910 would compare.

But as neutral as my answer is - and admittedly not very helpful in giving Edward the answer he was seeking - your's is positively loaded with your opinion - "tired of reading," "complete waste," "marginal," "flaw," etc - making it no more helpful than mine. You are dismissive, insulting even, to everyone who considered the two players and choose the 3910. FWIW, I own both; the 2910 for a bedroom system and the 3910 for a more serious, dedicated home theater. I made the choice for the 3910 in that system *because* of the better build, the better DACs for DVD-A/SACD playback - no Firewire or DL on my pre/pro - and the additional video processing. I do not have a display that's succeptible to macroblocking, so all I get it, "in all it's wonder," is a stunning picture.

We all make our choices based on what matters most to us and this 2910/3910 argument could apply to 3910/5910 or perhaps even 1910/2910. It is possible to explain one's choices without being defensive and attacking those who weighed the same criteria and arrived at a different decision.

No offense, but I'm tired of reading attacks on the 3910 over and over by those who merely saw things differently. Bottom line: You can't go wrong with either of them.

I was not answering Edward, just venting about another 3910 post.

For you and many others the firewire and DL is a "waste" - You spent money on something you are not using, that is not an opinion
Macroblocking is a "flaw" It is an artifact that was not meant to be there, that is not an opinion either
"marginal" adj. [common] 1. [techspeak] An extremely small change
Most people that own the 3910 admit the audio difference is small and video even smaller or non-existant.

I have not read a single attack on the 3910 and rarely even a defense of the 2910. I have read at least a hundred posts of people with the 3910 who have convinced themselves the extra $760 was worth it and then must rehash the superiority of the 3910 everytime someone asks this question.

I though I would post this for my fellow 2910 owners in OUR thread who must second guess their purchase every time someone lauds the 3910. Or those who read these posts and get the idea the 3910 is "deep and considerably" better

To answer Edward's question I doubt you could tell the difference on a 32" TV and the only way you could know about audio is if you listened to both players blinded using the Source Direct mode.

I am enjoying my 2910 and hope you enjoy both your players.