Panasonic DVD-S97S FAQ / Brain dump [Text View] - Page 16

teknoguy

10-11-05, 01:59 PM

Vinod

I have the Infocus 7205 and Panny97s.

I'm still trying out different connections and playing around with which box's faruoda processing is best as well as DVI vs. componant inputs.

I have noticed mb but only on certain DVDs. I don't see it all the time. For instance, the LOTR trilogy never shows it but an older Star Trek movie does. Not sure if it's the source material that the film was shot on or the manufacturing of the disc or what!

As for filling up the screen...depending on what settings you have on either box, you will or you won't. 720P output from the DVD player and using the Native mode of the IF, and a 16x9 format and yes it will. The IF will let you put the image in 4:3 mode or any of the other modes with the same input signal. And you'll get bars dependant on the setting.

I'm very pleased with the combination and have watched other folks lower jaw drop who see it as well!

maxleung

10-11-05, 04:58 PM

vinodk

10-11-05, 05:18 PM

Thanks teknoguy! As far as filling the screen is concerned I was mainly worried about the overscan built into some players mainly for CRT users which end up showing as thin black strips around the picture.

Nascar Dog

10-11-05, 05:31 PM

I had my first case of lipsync error on my Panny S97 the other day - the third episode of Desperate Housewives (region 1). Stopping and restarting didn't help! Very strange - maybe it was the mastering? Yet,somehow I doubt it. Damn, Faroudja sure knows how to screw up the playback experience sometimes. :)

I probably should have used my HTPC to watch it - I've never had a lipsync issue with it.

I wasn't able to find the Audio delay item in the menus - Panasonic did a good job of burying it. :)

I had a similar problem the other day with a DVD that I had backed up. I had to burn a new DVD to fix the problem.

Sirquack

10-11-05, 09:39 PM

Have an interesting question for all of you, I thought about putting this in the under $3500 projector forum, but I think it is my Panny that is causing the problem.

I have a JPG (jpeg) image that is 1280 x 720 pixels. It is a custom picture that I want to use for my Startup screen on my Z2, instead of the default Z2 screen. The Z2 has an option to replace the default picture, and capture one from the screen source. So I copied the image to a CD-R and popped it in the Panny, which brought up the menu to view images. When I select the image, it comes up on the screen, however, it does not fill the 16:9 native resolution of my Z2? It almost appears like what a 2.35 movie would look like with black space(bars) on the top and bottom. The only way I can get it close is to use the Z2's Zoom option to stretch it to fit the height.

I'm guessing the Panasonic, crops or resizes JPG images before displaying them? I may try one of my other DVD players to see if I get the same results.

Any ideas my S97S buddies? :)

hadleyfarm

10-12-05, 08:05 AM

I received my 60" SXRD and am trying to decide on Oppo 971V, Pany S97S or Sony S975 DVD Player - (will wait for new future HD technology to purchase more substantial DVD player).

Many folks in the Sony SXRD threads are using either the Oppo 971V OR the Pany S97S with equal measure of satisfasction (with a few Oppo firmware updates). Can anyone provide some insight as two [Oppo 971V OR Pany S97S] how these two compare? I mainly watch DVD movies and HD boradcasts.

Thanks!

new2hometheater

10-12-05, 09:31 AM

I had my first case of lipsync error on my Panny S97 the other day - the third episode of Desperate Housewives (region 1). Stopping and restarting didn't help! Very strange - maybe it was the mastering? Yet,somehow I doubt it. Damn, Faroudja sure knows how to screw up the playback experience sometimes. :)

I probably should have used my HTPC to watch it - I've never had a lipsync issue with it.

I wasn't able to find the Audio delay item in the menus - Panasonic did a good job of burying it. :)

There is an option to add a delay from 0 to 100 ms in 20 ms steps, I think it is on the video tab in the menu. I've got my set to 2ms.

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Moto 6214 cable box
Panasonic s97
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teknoguy

10-12-05, 10:55 AM

Vinod

The IF7205 (and probably others) have an "overscan" button too.

If you go to the Infocus web site you can download the Owners Manual for most of their projectors in .pdf format. You'll be able to read up on a number of things in those.

Billbo1970

10-12-05, 11:47 AM

Bill,

The S77 does not have ProLogicII, a slightly different case, and will not play PAL discs. There are supposed to be some circuitry differences as well, though externally and via the interface the players appear to be virtually identical.

The HDMI cable supplied (6 feet) is fine -- no problems. Mine eventually failed after connecting and disconnecting it several hundred times but in normal use it should be fine.

Paul

By ProLogicII, you mean audio, right? So if you use DolbyDigital or DTS it doesn't make any difference? Is video quality the same? Does the S77 come w/the HDMI cable as well? Thanks for taking the time to answer so quickly! Sorry it took me so long to get your response, i've been busy at school :)

Bill

Paul Bigelow

10-12-05, 11:16 PM

Bill,

You're welcome! The S77 includes the HDMI cable. Dolby ProLogic II is an audio feature to help generate a 5.1 surround from stereo sources. Music CDs and some older stereo movies may be enhanced with feature.

Read about it from the source:

http://www.dolby.com/resources/tech_library/index.cfm

Select Dolby Pro Logic II from the drop down list.

Paul

todd95008

10-14-05, 02:29 PM

Just got my S97 yesterday and was comparing the zoom function to my old panny player (both connected to Sony 32" HD set via component).

The old panasonic player (RVP62k) has an anamorphic zoom function that only works when tv type is 4:3 and only with 16:9 enhanced DVD's.

I discovered that the most of the zoom modes on the S97 degrade the picture resolution except when set to 16:9 zoom mode. That mode seemed to match the picture size of my old player and I got an equal or better picture than my old player.

When the S97 was set to auto or any other zoom mode besides 16:9 mode the resolution suffered !!!

Just some info for those that have complained about poor zoom on this player.

Try it yourself on a high quality static or still image (from DVE for example) and you can see the change as you cycle through the zoom modes.

Sirquack

10-14-05, 05:37 PM

Thanks Todd, many have commented throughout this thread about the poor zoom quality of the S97S :)

mindwalker

10-16-05, 03:17 PM

Julio Bro!

10-16-05, 04:11 PM

I read in Sound and Vision magazine that there's a difference between HDMI and DVI. Although both carry a digital video signal, HDMI's range is bigger because it's designed for a higher bitrate, if that's the term.

DVI can work with 8 bits max and HDMI goes up to 12 bits, and I think the newer protocol can carry up to 18 bits. So, more bits, more information, better everything. That's why it's the standard for hi-def.

I would like to correct on this info and it's source. I read about the HDMI "bitwidth" in the Panasonic S77 review offered on The Secrets DVD Player Benchmark site. Here indicates that DVI is capable of 8 bit RGB signals and HDMI is capable of 12 bits max.

Sorry about the small error.

{0}Salamander{0}

10-16-05, 05:49 PM

I have been reading this amazing forum, with an overwheeling amount information, but I have not find an explination why the european model has 525p, 625p, 750p and 1125i contrary to the USA model 480p, 720p and 1080i? My questions are:
Why are the numbers different?
Should I be concerned that my sony HS50 accepting the following videosignals:
480/60i, 575/50i, 480/60p, 575/50p, 720/60p, 720/50p, 1080/60i and 1080/50i (1080/24PsF) do not match the signals from the S97?

However everything seems to be working very well together, but I would like know....

thanks in advance
Anders

I think its just a different labelling system, 625 / 576 is PAL (50hz) 525 / 480 is NTSC (60hz) etc.

The same applies for the higher resolutions too, just a different labelling reference.

From what I know PAL is a 625 line system, but only 576 of the 625 lines are used for picture information, the other 49 lines are for passing info like sound + text + subtitles, again as far as I know.

I have a UK S97 (living in the UK) and mine states 750P / 1125i on the facia.

dnsw06

10-23-05, 11:35 PM

Has anyone seen the macroblocking effect on the S97 thru the HDMI connection with the Sony KD-34XBR960?

Thanks,

David

writedoc

10-24-05, 08:54 AM

Has anyone seen the macroblocking effect on the S97 thru the HDMI connection with the Sony KD-34XBR960? Thanks, David
I don't have the KD-34XBR960, but I do have the KV-34HS420 and macroblocking is visible on some movies when connected via HDMI @ 1080i

dnsw06

10-25-05, 01:49 AM

I don't have the KD-34XBR960, but I do have the KV-34HS420 and macroblocking is visible on some movies when connected via HDMI @ 1080i

Thanks writedoc!!! This being the case do you perfer component or HDMI?

writedoc

10-25-05, 09:34 AM

Thanks writedoc!!! This being the case do you perfer component or HDMI?
I still use HDMI 1080i as my default because I think that it presents better picture quality overall; if macroblocking is bad on a specific movie, I switch to 480p component.

Paul Bigelow

10-31-05, 05:19 PM

I prefer 1080i on my display as well because my display likes 1080i best, but if MBE is an issue, try 480p -- I think it can be a bit better in that department.

Paul

Paul Bigelow

10-31-05, 05:28 PM

Sango

10-31-05, 05:41 PM

About the firmware confusion from what kyun7128 and Paul talking about to make it clear.

With the update, the player automatically chooses the correct one.

Example: 85E is not 86H, so if you're wondering why the firmware didn't update to the number you expected - such as 86H360 doesn't update to 85E541 or 85E540 to 86H362.

mgkg3

10-31-05, 06:31 PM

This thread is now over one year old. It's been a busy year!

A big thanks to everyone who has contributed and posted to this thread and I hope a lot of people are happy with their purchase of this player. I still am!

Paul

This is sort of "long-term" update to this player. Like Paul, I bought my player immediately after it came out. Yes I've updated the firmware few times (now running 540 and didn't bother with 541). The best update was to remove most of the pink cast over gray tones. MB is not a big deal with me (not fightin' words, it is acceptable for my combo, thats all). Yes I do notice it one in a while but on the whole, this is pretty amazing player for the price.

I have had a single loading error that I cannot reproduce several months ago. It basically would not accept any disk. After unplugging the power for several seconds and restart the power, it was back to itself. No other issues.

Anyway, thank Paul and handful of devoted folks (and you know who you are) for keeping this up. I check this threat time to time for any major updates on your first page. The link to the firmware thread is really a nice touch!

cubenruben

10-31-05, 07:15 PM

I am now a proud owner of this new dvd player

MLM

11-01-05, 08:29 AM

I bought this unit about three weeks ago and it's a good one.

The one thing that needs improvement IMHO is the audio quality when used directly into an ordinary stereo amp. I have two questions.

Assuming that the internal setting is for 2 channel, does anyone know what the circuit differences are between the Front L/L, Front R/R and the L and R outputs? On my old (Philips) unit the L/L R/R had much better output caps on them (but it still benefitted by replacing them).

Has anyone tried any audio mods on it? Usually the first and easiest is to beef up the power supply with larger storage caps, and to replace the output caps with better quality ones. The former might even have a beneficial impact on the video quality.

Thanks,

Mel

lnguyen

11-01-05, 09:18 AM

Yes after one year, my beloved s97 is still working like a champ. I updated the software twice and satisfy with the PQ. I rarely see MB so I am a OK :)

jakeman

11-01-05, 10:59 AM

jcc

11-01-05, 11:48 AM

I wish they would just release one final update to wrap up the remaining issues, mainly, MB, Pink tint, and bad zoom.

Oh well, on to Blu-Ray....

Billbo1970

11-03-05, 01:04 PM

Is video quality the same with the S77, and does it also come w/the HDMI cable? Thanks for taking the time to answer. Sorry for so many newb questions, but i'm a poor college student and want to make sure i get the most bang for my buck!

Basically, I have a small toshiba HDTV CRT set. It's 16:9 format w/component & HDMI inputs. I'm running an older JVC player via component inputs w/no upconversion.

I want the best possible picture quality, for the least possible $$ LOL. I don't care about any of the bells & whistles, just purely the picture quality. Is the S77 gonna be my best bang for the buck?

Bill

Billbo1970

11-03-05, 01:07 PM

Oh well, on to Blu-Ray....

I'm waiting for a format to be decided on...

Beta, MiniDisk, DAT..............

too many failed technologies for me to jump on this bandwagon when it also has a format war :(

Bill

cofalt

11-03-05, 02:12 PM

jcc

11-03-05, 02:38 PM

I'm waiting for a format to be decided on...

Beta, MiniDisk, DAT..............

too many failed technologies for me to jump on this bandwagon when it also has a format war :(

Bill

This is off topic, you can go to the Movies discussions threads for more but the war is over and the winner has already been decided. Blu-Ray.

It will be a trojan in the form of PS3 which will be in millions of people's homes by this time next year. So prepare to double dip!

kyun7128

11-03-05, 02:55 PM

Is anybody using their s97 on a Panny HD plasma. Just hooked (via HDMI) mine up to a 50PHD8UK and it looks really bad. Tons and tons of glimmering pixels, no sharpness, jaggies, and general dullness. It's set to 16:9, tried 1080i, 720p, and 480 -- they all stink.

Am I doing something wrong? Or is this DVD player and bad combo with my display? Thanks

For comparison sake, I'm use to an Oppo on a Panny 42PWD8UK and have been please with those results.
I bought my S97S about 2 months ago and I have it connected to my 50PHD7UY with an HDMI connection. I've never experienced what you described. Did you use the settings for the S97S that are suggested at the beginning of this thread? Those are pretty much the settings I used. Did you use the "same" HDMI cable with the Oppo? ...just wondering if there could be something wrong with the cable.

cofalt

11-03-05, 03:24 PM

I'm using the HDMI cord that came with the S97. Thanks, I'll check the settings.

cofalt

11-03-05, 03:35 PM

And my settings are right on....

dh_4805

11-09-05, 11:53 PM

I have the 4805 and S97 - I am getting ready to set them up and have been reading these posts for awhile now - My question is around both units having the Faroudja processing - do I need to turn one or the other off? If so how do I do this?

Also at this stage I will be running component cables - so I am thinking I need to run 480I from the S97 and let the 4805 process the signal? Is this correct?

Any advice would be appreciated on how to run these two together.

Paul Bigelow

11-10-05, 12:04 AM

mdray

11-10-05, 09:47 AM

Hello Paul.
Is it true that you also have the Oppo?
If so, which do you prefer, if you don't mind me asking.
I have the S97 upstairs and the Oppo downstairs and the Oppo seems to deliver a slightly sharper pic, to my eyes.

Paul Bigelow

11-12-05, 11:27 PM

Don't mind at all. I have both players.

In my view:

PQ-wise via the digital outputs I think overall they're about equal. Sometimes, I think the Oppo has a slight edge in less macroblock enhance. The Oppo doesn't have the slight pink-ish tint at low IRE the Panasonic can have (though later Panasonic firmware updates have all but eliminated this issue).

Either has features the other doesn't have. The Oppo is quicker to navigate DVD's and has less layer change delay. The Panasonic definitely has the better component output. The Panasonic has the better remote.

Paul

Billbo1970

11-14-05, 12:47 PM

mdray

11-14-05, 04:04 PM

Paul Bigelow

11-14-05, 04:20 PM

Billbo1970,

I don't have the S77, though I would expect similar picture qualities.

Reportedly, S77 includes the HDMI cable.

Paul

Nascar Dog

11-14-05, 04:35 PM

There's no right or wrong here -- the results are what counts. Using 480i from the player, thus letting the 4805 do the processing is certainly a valid choice and may avoid the "macroblock enhance" discussed so often.

However, if one desires to use the upconversion feature then the HDMI is the only way to get 720p or 1080i out from this player.

IF 480p/720p/1080i are used by the player then the player's Faroudja will be used and the display's bypassed.

Paul

I have an S97 connected to an AE-700 and if I set the S-97 to 1080i then the AE-700 option to use Cinema reality is available. When the S97 is set to 720p the Cinema Reality option is not available. Does that mean the Faroudja is not used when the S97 is set to 1080i?

Thanks

writedoc

11-14-05, 09:03 PM

no input on this?

TIA,
Bill
For a DVD-S77 reviews, see http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?print_page=y&section_id=3&article_id=870&page_number=4&preview= and http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=123

Overall, the S77 is an excellent DVD player but the S97 is better.

Digidesign

11-15-05, 04:38 AM

I have been around this forum for a while and this is my first time posting so bare with me. In response to many people's question about the difference between the S97 and S77, i seem to have found one.

I have owned both models recently because i was dissatisfied with the PQ on the S97 due to MBE (i own an eighth gen panny plasma, i think (th37px50u)...anyways. When i initially had the S77, actually, i returned it to amazon for the S97 cause i figured "higher model no. = better PQ". I was wrong in any event. The macroblocking was so obnoxious with this model that nearly all background solids were boiling out their color, ruining the whole point of upconversion in my opinion.

When i finally re-ordered the S77 and got to see its glorious picture again, I was so thankful to have it back. The MBE seems to be much more controlled here and far less glaring even though i realize on paper that both models are technically the same (and MBE happens in about all the same places). I can't explain it. But i am sure as anything that on the newest gen. panny plasmas the macroblocking bug and shimmering and all that other stuff seems to be much less noticable and the picture plays effortlessly for it. Can't wait to try the rest of my gear out with it.

jigesh

11-15-05, 08:07 AM

This is about an undocumented (and unsupported on original remote) feature.

S-97 remote does not have an "Eject" or "Open/Close" button for the disk tray. However, if you use a universal remote (like I use MX-700), and if you program it for DVD device from its Panasonic IR database for S-27 model, you can open/close tray from the universal remote.

rwestley

11-15-05, 09:04 AM

Digidesign, I wonder which firmware you had on the 97S. There have been several updates that have reduced MB. I would love to have the units compred with the latest firmwares.

Digidesign

11-15-05, 01:13 PM

Digidesign, I wonder which firmware you had on the 97S. There have been several updates that have reduced MB. I would love to have the units compred with the latest firmwares.

Actually, the S97 had the latest firmware update i think (something like M362) so i believe that both units were performing at their best. It is interesting that the panny plasma would respond so differently to essentially the same build of player. I can't explain it.

jrod98

11-15-05, 02:19 PM

Has anyone setup the S97 with the 60XBR1? Up to this point, I'm disappointed with the PQ I'm getting from my recently purchased S97. What settings are people using to maximize PQ?

Thanks!

kyun7128

11-15-05, 05:35 PM

Can I connect a HDMI cable and a composite (video and audio) cable at the same time? I was looking at the manual for the Samsung 850 and it says that you cannot have both running at the same time.

I want to transfer a few DVD's I have to VHS and I don't want to go to the trouble of disconnecting the HDMI cable and then turning OFF the HDMI output option in the menu. Thanks for your input.

Ken

Digidesign

11-15-05, 07:14 PM

As mentioned earlier, i wasn't too happy either with the S97 PQ due to MBE. I have recently opted for the S77 instead and that seems to have controlled it so much as it isn't as noticeable (works almost twice as smooth with my panny plasma for some reason).

Anyway, settings that i'd try to use on the S77/97 were just +1 for depth enhancement since it makes the blocking in the background a little less choppy.

BOBZILLA1968

11-16-05, 09:30 AM

I went to the Benchmark review on the 97 for some tips on how they set their machine up for their tests and it said..........."With the brightness and contrast levels in the player set to their default state, this player does not pass below-black or above-white information. I had to set the brightness to +2 and the contrast to -1 to pass the full video signal." So I gave it a shot and set it up this way in the "user" settings. When I did this, a major amount of the MB went away. I have the 97 hooked up to a Toshiba 52HM95 DLP via HDMI. Before doing this the MB issue was so apparent I couldn't even watch it. Now its a ton better.........

Paul Bigelow

11-16-05, 09:57 AM

Macroblock Survival Guide, containing tips on how to reduce the appearance of enhanced macroblocks is located in the first post of the thread.

Paul

Bookworm

11-17-05, 10:39 AM

Wow!! 380,755 views for this thread! :eek:

mrRobinson

11-20-05, 08:50 AM

What is the difference between the Auto1 and Auto2 setting under the video in the setup menu?

Pedro2

11-20-05, 10:00 AM

Apologies for the novice question, but I just bought a new S97 from Magnolia and want to make sure it has the latest firmware--how does one check this? And, how does one go about upgrading firmware on this DVD player? Thanks!

Paul Bigelow

11-20-05, 10:06 AM

First post of this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4569192&&#post4569192

and this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5064953#post5064953

Pedro2

11-20-05, 10:21 AM

thanks for the quick reply, Paul. Great thread. My assumption is that since this is a new unit and I just bought it that it has the latest firmware, but who knows....

Paul Bigelow

11-20-05, 10:56 AM

You're welcome!

The manufacturing date is a rough indicator of what the player might have. New units from Sept 2004 would have the first 528 firmware, units from Apr 2005 would begin to have the 360.

Paul

mlb585

11-22-05, 12:12 PM

I am currently running the panasonic TH-42PX50U (plasma) and I am about to by the S97S. I wanted to run the optical output straight from the DVD player to the receiver so that it can decode DD, DTS, etc. Will I be able to use both HDMI output to the Plasma (when I turn HDMI on with the DVD player) and use the optical output to the receiver at the same time? I didn't know if it would allow me or not. Would there also be any video/audio lag/delay issues with this setup?

Rich Malloy

11-22-05, 03:27 PM

Yes, you can use hdmi to your monitor and optical/coax (I recommend coax) to your receiver.

And, yes, there can be sync issues between audio and video, but you will likely be able to compensate to your satisfaction with the audio delay features on the S97.

FWIW, I've heard the Panny plasmas don't mate particularly well with Faroudja upscale-to-1080i/720p players. Serious macroblocking, apparently.

Looks great on my HD CRT-RPTV, with noticeable macroblocking only seldomly and certainly not to the extent that it overrides all the other picture improvements I'm enjoying!

mlb585

11-23-05, 01:15 AM

Rich, thanks for the info. I guess I will wait and see how it looks on my Plasma....Just curious, why do you recommend using the coxial audio out instead of the optical audio out?

Rich Malloy

11-23-05, 12:02 PM

It's sort of accepted wisdom in the audiophile community that coax sounds better than optical. I didn't accept that at face value, so I hooked up both the coax and optical inputs and A:B'd them, expecting not to hear any difference. However, there was clearly a difference between the two - though I hasten to add that this was not a blind (much less double-blind) test -- but I suppose it's only my preference as to which sounded better. For me, that was the coax. Given that you probably have both types of cable laying around, I'd recommend you do the comparison yourself as it's one of those rare situations where a direct A:B test is easily accomplished without concern about accounting for a gazillion different variables.

Intellivision

11-27-05, 07:06 PM

When I go to Setup/Audio/Speaker Settings/Multi-channel Setting and run the test, I only get sound from the front speakers; the rest of the speakers stay dead silent. Any ideas why? I've tried both optical and coaxial cables, but it makes no difference.

Hope someone can help me out... :confused:

Paul Bigelow

11-27-05, 08:39 PM

sellis16

11-27-05, 10:08 PM

Intellivision

11-28-05, 08:11 AM

Do we know if the other speakers are working and connected properly?

Items to review:

Setup->Audio->Speaker Settings->Multi-channel (pg. 16)

Read about "Channel balance" on pg. 17 of the manual.

Paul
Yes, all the speakers are working, I've turned HDMI Audio Output off, and the speaker setting is set to "Multi-channel". I've managed to get "full sound" when playing movies, but this test still doesn't work. Could it be that the test is meant for analog rather than digital connections? Unfortunately I don't have cables to check that myself.

johnny_marin

11-28-05, 09:25 AM

Can anyone address this? It says there is no such thing as 5.1 audio through HDMI, only 2.0. I bought this player for HDMI transmit (have not yet hooked it up/ still buying TV).

http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback45_page1.html

This makes sense to me. Think about it. If you have a plasma, LCD or RPTV do you have 5.1 speakers integrated to the display? Most likely not. Two speakers seem to be the norm. That's why you have an A/V receiver to connect all your speaker cables to. For most people that DO NOT have a 5.1 speaker setup the present HDMI audio setup will work fine. For us videophiles though, HDMI 5.1 audio would eliminate the requirement for coax/toslink digital connections and make connections somewhat simpler. But for the real audio purists analog connections are still the way to go.

John

Beaver8tr

11-28-05, 11:22 AM

Could it be that the test is meant for analog rather than digital connections? Unfortunately I don't have cables to check that myself.

Yep, analog out.

Julio Bro!

11-28-05, 03:16 PM

Can anyone address this? It says there is no such thing as 5.1 audio through HDMI, only 2.0. I bought this player for HDMI transmit (have not yet hooked it up/ still buying TV).

http://news.designtechnica.com/talkback45_page1.html

HDMI is capable of analog and digital transmissions, performance and features depend on the equipment. For example, some DVD-Audio capable DVD players don't have 5.1 RCA connections, only HDMI. That means the HDMI cable will carry the analog 5.1 signals needed for the format, but the receiver or amplifier to be connected must have an HDMI connection capable of reading this signal.

So yes, HDMI can carry all signals, just make sure the equipment transceives what you want. This takes very careful reading of features and capabilities of the equipment you have or plan to buy.

Paul Bigelow

11-28-05, 06:00 PM

Panasonic SA-XR70 is for multichannel use with HDMI.

Paul

paulbehnke

11-28-05, 11:12 PM

Panasonic SA-XR70 is for multichannel use with HDMI.

Paul
But not for the 5.1 found on "regular" DVD's but just the DVD AUDIO 5.1...yes or no? I was reading the owners manual on their site and that the impression I get! You still have to go the optical or digital cable route to listen to the DD soundtrac. I was looking to cut down on the cable clutter in my second tv area using only 2 HDMI cables (dvd to amp to TV). Yes I know there still 6 speaker wire so it not a very cost effective solution,but I had some time on my hands.

sellis16

11-28-05, 11:23 PM

Panasonic SA-XR70 is for multichannel use with HDMI.

Paul

I do also have the XR70, so good.

I must be missing something, then. In that link, the guy says:

"Both Audio and Video products currently on the market that utilize HDMI only passes 2.0 digital audio, and not full-blown 5.1 surround sound audio."

Guess I'll just let it go.

Julio Bro!

11-29-05, 05:56 AM

But not for the 5.1 found on "regular" DVD's but just the DVD AUDIO 5.1...yes or no? I was reading the owners manual on their site and that the impression I get! You still have to go the optical or digital cable route to listen to the DD soundtrac. I was looking to cut down on the cable clutter in my second tv area using only 2 HDMI cables (dvd to amp to TV). Yes I know there still 6 speaker wire so it not a very cost effective solution,but I had some time on my hands.

Yes, digital is HDMI's main purpose so it should. But you have to make sure the amp receives audio thru it's HDMI, some are made for video-only.

jpmassey

11-29-05, 11:26 AM

Problems with HDMI???

I've somehow lost my video signal out of my s97s HDMI port. Everything has worked just fine for a year, now all of a sudden I don't see HDMI out of my DVI cable. I have a 30ft.(RAM) DVI with DVI-HDMI adaptors on each end going to a Sony HS-51 projector. I CAN get a signal from the provided (6ft.) HDMI cable, but no longer from my 30ft. DVI. I replaced the adaptors (DVI-HDMI), but that didn't
help. Nothing has changed in my setup it just all of a sudden went dark. I also checked the menu to be sure I was outputting video through HDMI.

Anyone having signal problems through HDMI?

Can a video signal weaken over time?

Is it a video cable problem?

Thanks in advance for any help.

-----------------------------------------------
Jmass

rack04

11-29-05, 12:24 PM

Can anyone verify that this player plays DVD+R dics both booktype DVD+R and DVD-ROM? Thanks.

Intellivision

11-30-05, 10:15 AM

Yep, analog out.

Thanks for the clarification. :)

brigont

11-30-05, 11:29 AM

Anyone have this setup... if you do, would love to know your settings for the TV and Panny Player.

I have used DVE to calibrate but would enjoy comparing my results with others.

Please advise.

pvirola

12-03-05, 11:19 AM

Intellivison,

I'm having the same problem. Have figure out what's wrong?

pvirola

pvirola

12-03-05, 11:19 AM

Yes, all the speakers are working, I've turned HDMI Audio Output off, and the speaker setting is set to "Multi-channel". I've managed to get "full sound" when playing movies, but this test still doesn't work. Could it be that the test is meant for analog rather than digital connections? Unfortunately I don't have cables to check that myself.
Intellivison,

I'm having the same problem. Have figure out what's wrong?

pvirola

PooperScooper

12-03-05, 11:34 AM

Hi all,
Forgive the intrusion, but I'm trying to drum up entries into the new sticky thread I created the other day: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=611824

It's a thread intented for people looking for a new player (or help with an existing one) to quickly find other people using a DVD player with the same TV/display/PJ they are using. The format is quite simple and only takes a couple of minutes to enter your info. "templates" are there to copy/quote. Thanks for taking the time.

larry

newtune3

12-03-05, 12:16 PM

Does anyone know if the Panasonic S97S has been discontinued. I thought this is what I wanted. I'm a newbie here hope my other post in the wrong place does not offend. Thanks.

Paul Bigelow

12-03-05, 12:29 PM

Don't know if it's been discontinued but I see it available, in stock, at popular internet retailers.

Paul

Kidsmoke

12-03-05, 02:02 PM

Does anyone know if the Panasonic S97S has been discontinued. I thought this is what I wanted. I'm a newbie here hope my other post in the wrong place does not offend. Thanks.

I just purchased one this week through J&R.

Sango

12-03-05, 02:43 PM

I still have one. Not sure what to do with it since I used it since it's been used < 5 hours!

Speaking of players...
http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/3889/dvd4jy.th.jpg (http://img211.imageshack.us/my.php?image=dvd4jy.jpg)

alanrab

12-04-05, 12:18 PM

Looking at the manual for the S97, which I am thinking of buying, it shows you can adjust the audio time delay.

My current Sony DVPNS70H has an adjustment for delay as well, but that manual states that it is INEFFECTIVE for its digital audio outputs (ie.: DD or DTS via coax or optical out).

Does the S97's audio time delay work when using its digital audio out?

Mr Paw

12-04-05, 03:56 PM

Sango,

That is an impressive collection of players. Which one do you use all the time?

Mike

Intellivision

12-04-05, 04:08 PM

Intellivison,

I'm having the same problem. Have figure out what's wrong?

pvirola
Pvirola,

Beaver8tr said the test is for analog output only, and I've read up a little on the subject and have no reason to believe he's wrong. The user's guide could be a little clearer about it, though... :rolleyes:

93SHOcar

12-05-05, 05:35 PM

Penton-Man

12-05-05, 07:11 PM

Hi all,
Forgive the intrusion, but I’m trying to enlighten people regarding a new thread that I created today……
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6660894&&#post6660894

It’s a thread intended for people looking for a timetable in purchasing a new Blu-ray player and certain titles available at the time of debut of this machine to complement their current DVD player(I'm a S97S owner) and DVD library for home theater enjoyment. Thanks for taking the time.

Penton

sellis16

12-05-05, 08:26 PM

Sango

12-06-05, 12:40 AM

Sango,

That is an impressive collection of players. Which one do you use all the time?

Mike

I mainly use my XP30 and one of my RP82s. The XP30 which is in the middle is a forum member's player which I'm repairing. The bottom is an XP50 which I'm planning to repair in the future. The RP91 and RP56 and the RP82 were being used for sometime but not being used for the meantime. S97, not sure what to do with it.

tacos

12-06-05, 12:54 AM

What is the next planned panny model?

traker1001

12-06-05, 11:39 AM

I think that Blu-ray and HD-DVD both will last about a year after they come out mainstream before we got something better that comes out. There are a few technologies that are being developed along side blu and HD that will make these formats look like childs play both read/write speed wise and space per disc wise, And unfortunately Copyright/DRM wise.

jgira

12-06-05, 07:33 PM

I'm considering this player to use with a Panny plasma (42px500u) that has its own sound system built in...6 speakers including 2 subs. I realize this is no match for a separate audio system, but the place I want to install everything doesn't require high end audio. My question is: has anyone got an opinion on the sub out feature of the S97? My thought is to minimize wires and boxes and use the built in audio from the display along with a separate sub woofer running from the DVD player. Comments greatly appreciated...unit is coming this Friday!:)

SirJohnFalstaff

12-07-05, 01:02 PM

[QUOTE=Rich Malloy]Yes, you can use hdmi to your monitor and optical/coax (I recommend coax) to your receiver.

And, yes, there can be sync issues between audio and video, but you will likely be able to compensate to your satisfaction with the audio delay features on the S97.
QUOTE]

Rich, can you please elaborate on this sync issue for me? I'm changing from an Oppo to the S97 soon and am currently running my audio through a 2 foot optical cable and my video through a 4 foot HDMI cable to an AE900. I thought optical and HDMI would give me the best possible sound and picture, why are you recommending coax?

thedeskE

12-07-05, 06:43 PM

Fellow members FYI - my S97 is FS as of today in the source components section here.

E

jgira

12-07-05, 07:19 PM

Fellow members FYI - my S97 is FS as of today in the source components section here.

E

I'll check that out. For now maybe you could answer my question about the sub woofer out...I need an answer before buying this unit.

thedeskE

12-08-05, 12:33 AM

jgira
I've never attempted what your suggesting. Normally, the 5.1 outs are for DVDA, so it would be a question of the HDMI and direct working at the same time (guessing) Perhaps the manual can shed some light for you.
DL from here
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0001G0FGW/104-8043358-0491150?v=glance&n=172282

E

ZoomAir

12-08-05, 10:04 AM

does anyone know what firmware Secrets used when they updated their review on the S97, now it has a score of 91 and they are VERY pleased.

i have firmware 536 at the moment and wonder which one they used

cutterman

12-13-05, 12:12 PM

My first post- only after spending hours sifting through the incredible amount of info here. Wished I found it earlier. . .

Just picked up the Panasonic 37PX50U. Matched it with a Sony DVPNS70H DVD player. Unhappy with the HDMI shift/vertical compression so am returning it. Too bad, great PQ. When I used component connection the bands were smaller and the TV's aspect feature could be used to fill the screen. Picture had slightly less sharpness. The aspect button was disabled with HDMI connection.

Am taking my chances with the Panasonic S97. Hopefully the MB problem will be minimal/tolerable. Anyway here is my noob question

-Should the screen be filled completely with a DVD image using HDMI connections and 1080 upscaling, or is some black horizontal banding expected above and below?

Thanks

SirJohnFalstaff

12-13-05, 12:32 PM

jigesh

12-13-05, 12:35 PM

Just got my S97 last night. Where can I go to get firmware for it, and how do I find out what firmware version is currently on the thing?

I've searched here and on the Panasonic site, but can't find any answers.

See this thread. (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5064953#post5064953)

mpalmieri1203

12-13-05, 12:57 PM

Cutter...first it depends on the TV you are using. Some movies have an aspect ratio which will still have black bands on the bottom...some will not. You also have to be using a widescreen tv to eliminate the bands. Also I find the best setting for this player is 480p unless you are running it into a seperate scaler(which your probably not). Also don't use that zoom feature on your TV it's really going to degrade your picture quality. Most comedies and the such will filll the screen. Action movies usually still carry minor bands on my 46". As long as its OAR I dont really care though.

cutterman

12-13-05, 01:15 PM

Thanks for the response.

The TV is a 16:9 widescreen plasma, so I expected that widescreen DVD movies would (nearly) completely fill the screen.

Aliens

12-13-05, 01:59 PM

FWIW, I've heard the Panny plasmas don't mate particularly well with Faroudja upscale-to-1080i/720p players. Serious macroblocking, apparently.

Can this be so? The Panasonic S97 isn’t compatible with a Panny plasma?:confused: I have the 50 6uy, and saw this DVD player was such a hot item and decided I was going to upgrade from my Pioneer Elite DV-37, which “Secrets” ripped to shreds:( , but this statement has me concerned. I was planning on getting the DVI board for the Panny so I could go digital to digital, but maybe staying with the component cable would be best? Seems like it is defeating the purpose of getting the S97 if I can’t use the digital capability. Yes or no?

smithsonga

12-13-05, 02:00 PM

SirJohnFalstaff

12-13-05, 09:06 PM

Here's a weird thing I noticed when I received my S97 yesterday. I live in Canada and had to order the player from one of the few on-line distributers who ship internationally. I was going through the manual when I noticed an envelope that's marked, "For Canada Only." I opened it up and inside was the Canadian warranty info. Why include such a thing if you don't sell your product in Canada in the first place? If they knew Canadians would be purchasing this player regardless if was was available in stores across the country, then why don't just bring it out in Canada already! :mad:

Has Panasonic ever said why they aren't selling the S97 in Canada?

maxleung

12-13-05, 11:29 PM

I got my S97 here in Calgary - Soundsarround had some in stock in the summer.

NoThru22

12-14-05, 08:40 AM

When I used this player for HDMI with my Toshiba MT700 I continually got the U70 but it worked great except one time when I had to unplug and replug the cable to get my cable back. I wouldn't worry about it unless you're mad there is no time index display anymore.

Sango

12-14-05, 10:54 AM

SirJohnFalstaff

12-14-05, 11:32 AM

It's possible that this distributor obtained a Canadian batch, so they possibliy gave you the one where you resisded at.

Panasonic did sell S97's in Canada, it might of been short-lived because I did see them at Future Shop in person at the time.

That may be the case, but in the end I'm just glad I got the S97. I may have lost the ability to watch the single PAL DVD I own, but the rest of the features this machine has to offer makes me happy I went the extra mile and got one--regardless of where it came from.

penticton102

12-14-05, 09:47 PM

Has Panasonic ever said why they aren't selling the S97 in Canada?[/QUOTE]

you can pickone up at any futureshop...... :)

SirJohnFalstaff

12-14-05, 11:43 PM

I haven't been able to find any in Calgary, but now that I went ahead and got one from the US, I'm sure they'll miraculously appear.

I spent a few hour calibrating my S97 with my new Bettercable HDMI cable and my AE900 projector, and boy does the picture look good. Like my Oppo, the S97 shows very little MB when paired with the AE900. Even Batman Begins shows little. The picture is crisp and quite striking, at least as good as the Oppo. I tried a dozen discs with only one problem. My Criterion Collection DVD of Armageddon is displayed in a strange ratio. It's supposed to be 2:35:1, but the picture is scrunched even thinner. Everything is short and fat. This isn't the case with any of the other DVD's I've tried INCLUDING the other Criterion ones I own. I haven't been able to get the picture size to work on this particular title. Any suggestions?

theroys88

12-15-05, 03:38 AM

I believe that movie was shot in a different ratio because on both of my player it is squashed more then the usual 2:35. Nothing wrong with the player. I am not sure why that film was not reformatted. It is annoying.

Andreas_CH_M

12-15-05, 04:47 AM

NoThru22

12-15-05, 08:34 AM

Yes, the early Criterions wheren't anamorphic, so it is indeeed 2.35:1, but letterboxed. Set your projector to Zoom mode (that is the name on my AE300) and enjoy. You could also do Zoom on the player if you want.
This player has miserable zoom, I would not recommend it to people.

SirJohnFalstaff

12-15-05, 10:52 AM

Thanks for you advice, guys. What threw me off was the fact that the non-anamorphic image was filling the 16x9 screen width-wise. The last DVD like this I watched was The Abyss, but it remained in the proper ratio, just scrunched into a 4x3 image. I used my projectors zoom to enlarge the image to properly fill the screen. This was on my old Oppo, I guess the S97 just displays non-anamorphic images differently.

BTW, I hooked up my S97 to my AE900 last night via a 2 meter Bettercables HMDI cable and WOW, what a picture. Way better than just using the HDMI cable supplied by Panasonic. I'm not usually one for buying the best cables--down with Monster!--but in this case, the Bettercable HDMI rules.

gman1

12-15-05, 12:01 PM

Does anyone else here get the U70 HDMI cable error? It seems many get this error using their Benq and Toshiba projectors. Any other display devices seeing this? This doesnt affect the use of the player, just shows this error code on the DVD player display but continues to play normally.

Jim

I am currently getting a U70-2 error. I have the S97 hooked up to a Panasonic THE-42PHD8UK. I just started seeing this error a few days ago. When I get the error, no DVD playback is possible.

It seems as though the error only occurs when I turn the DVD player on first and then the TV. If I turn the TV on first, and then the DVD player, I will only see the error 1 out of 5 times. Very frustrating error.

Any one have any ideas on how to fix them permanently?

smithsonga

12-15-05, 05:13 PM

I am currently getting a U70-2 error.

I think mine is U70-3 or damaged/bad cable. The manual shows the code descriptions.

NoThru22

12-16-05, 08:43 AM

BTW, I hooked up my S97 to my AE900 last night via a 2 meter Bettercables HMDI cable and WOW, what a picture. Way better than just using the HDMI cable supplied by Panasonic. I'm not usually one for buying the best cables--down with Monster!--but in this case, the Bettercable HDMI rules.
Does it make the 1's and 0's sharper? :D :D :D :D

Kidsmoke

12-18-05, 01:12 AM

I am currently getting a U70-2 error. I have the S97 hooked up to a Panasonic THE-42PHD8UK. I just started seeing this error a few days ago. When I get the error, no DVD playback is possible.

It seems as though the error only occurs when I turn the DVD player on first and then the TV. If I turn the TV on first, and then the DVD player, I will only see the error 1 out of 5 times. Very frustrating error.

Any one have any ideas on how to fix them permanently?

I'm also getting the U70-2 error. I've got a Sony KDF-E50A10, less than 1 month old. Initially I was using the hdmi connection and that was all that was hooked up to the TV. I listened through the TV as well since I haven't received my new surround speakers yet. The hdmi connection worked great. Then I had Adelphia out to install HDTV and the DVR. Anyway, I unplugged the S97 to make room for the DVR. And I'd planned on using the hdmi cable for the dvr, so while the cable guy was here I hooked the S97 back up via component. DVR doesn't do hdmi (dvi to hdmi). So I watch DVD's with component for a few days and decided I'd like to switch back to the hdmi cable, and start getting the U70-2 error. I've had the player for about 2 weeks now. Went to BB to pick up a new hdmi cable but I'll be #$%@! if I'm paying for one of their Monster cables. Hopefully a new cable will correct the problem. I haven't been able to get around the error and get anything to play when connected via hdmi yet. :mad: :mad: :mad:

Paul Bigelow

12-22-05, 01:02 AM

Make sure the connection is snug. Also, just to be sure, try unplugging/replugging the power from the TV and the player.

Paul

mtrx

12-23-05, 01:16 PM

I have DVD-S97s which is hooked up to my Sharp Aquos LCD tv through HDMI. I used HDMI for sound as well. When watching a movie switching between dvd menu and the actual movie make a short clicking noise. Almost like you are switching sound source... Anyone knows how to fix this?

MLM

12-24-05, 10:02 AM

A comprehensive technical and subjective review of the S97 can be found at: http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/avhardware/PanasonicDVDS97p1.php

It is particularly interesting as it includes a thorough review of its audio, in addition to video, capabilities.

Mel

MLM

12-24-05, 10:05 AM

Does anyone know whether the S97 can be programmed to repeat a section of a CD or DVD indefinitely? Or can it be programmed to play a full disk over and over?

Thanks,
Mel

Paul Bigelow

12-24-05, 11:30 AM

The S97 has an A-B repeat function. Page 14 of the manual.

Paul

Kidsmoke

12-24-05, 04:03 PM

Make sure the connection is snug. Also, just to be sure, try unplugging/replugging the power from the TV and the player.

Paul

No dice. Went out and bought a new hdmi cable, that doesn't solve it either. Just spent 30 minutes on the phone with Panasonic. Believe me, that will not help you get in the Christmas spirit. I could have asked my cat to walk me through troubleshooting and it would have been just as helpful. They can't tell you what the U70-2 error code means. Their solution was to take it in to a service center. I think I'll just return it for another unit and hope for better luck.
I also just ran across another forum where people are having the same issue. Initially the hdmi connection worked, then they started getting the error codes. Took the player back to the store, they hook it up at the store and it works fine. Guy gets a new player, tests it at the store to ensure it works, gets home and still gets the same error code. He had a Sony SXRD, I have the KDF-E50A10.

Kidsmoke

12-24-05, 05:07 PM

Fwiw, I've used my Panny S97 via HDMI (supplied cable) with both a Sony 50A10 for a month and a 50" SXRD for over two months with no problems.

Good to know. Think I'll run out and grab a dvi adapter so i can run my dvr into the hdmi port and make sure it's not my tv.

Kidsmoke

12-26-05, 01:02 PM

Picked up a dvi-hdmi adapter and hooked up my dvr via hdmi and it works great so looks like I'll have to ship the dvd player back for a replacement.

pmauro

12-26-05, 08:31 PM

I have been pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DVD-S97 to receive remote commands from an IR emitter. After sticking the the emitter to every conceivable location on the player, I took the damn thing apart to try my luck at that. Unfortunately, I was a little daunted by the lack of access to the front panel.

Am I missing something? What good is this DVD player if I need to have my component cabinet door open all the time to work the controls?!

thanks in advance for any help,

pete

Bladerunner1959

12-26-05, 08:37 PM

No dice. Went out and bought a new hdmi cable, that doesn't solve it either. Just spent 30 minutes on the phone with Panasonic. Believe me, that will not help you get in the Christmas spirit. I could have asked my cat to walk me through troubleshooting and it would have been just as helpful. They can't tell you what the U70-2 error code means. Their solution was to take it in to a service center. I think I'll just return it for another unit and hope for better luck.
I also just ran across another forum where people are having the same issue. Initially the hdmi connection worked, then they started getting the error codes. Took the player back to the store, they hook it up at the store and it works fine. Guy gets a new player, tests it at the store to ensure it works, gets home and still gets the same error code. He had a Sony SXRD, I have the KDF-E50A10.

Wow, I thought I was alone in this pickle. I have a 6 week old Sony kdf-e60-a20...I used component out with my s97(v540 firmware) for the first 2 weeks. Then got a Radio Shack gold series hdmi cable. Worked fine for a week. I wanted to try a Monster hdmi to see if the pic was any better.

Thats when I started getting the error code. I used a BestBuy card to charge an LG player with hdmi and a Monster hdmi cable. I plugged in and started up in all sequences and combos I could try. I cannot get my monitor to read any of the players thru any of the cables...Confused but, not sure if I would use the hdmi full time. I love the pic thru component in 480p...absolutely fantastic combo Panny s97 with a Sony lcd.

When it was working:
- I thought the picture had slightly sharper edges, a little more fine detail and hdmi seems to soften or eliminate the edge enhancement inherent to the s97.
On the other hand:
-macro block was back
-noisier color
-greenish tint,hue or whatever you would call it

Any thoughts on these hdmi negatives if I do get that input communicating again?

Bladerunner

trekguy

12-30-05, 01:00 PM

I just upgraded from an S35 to an S97 for use with my TH50PX500U. I connected it via HDMI at 1080 and poped in the Superbit verison of L of Arabia. My first thought was to wonder if I could talk OCall out of the the restocking fee. After a bit of fiddling using DVE I watch some scenes from Blackhawk down, Toy Story 2 and Polar Express as well as more of L of A. Overall the S97 is a keeper! There are some busy high motion scenes in L of A and all were notably better than on the S35.

In those long shots where a camel and rider come over the horizon, the the camel was clearly a camel and not a cow. Some edge jaggedess on very thin objects like a camel whip and the leading edge of the biplane wings when banking.

Some faint haloing or outlining of edges but not enough to see from any normal viewing distance.

If a pink tint was there I did not see it, and I did not see any macroblocking worth commenting upon (so ok, I did comment).

The PX500 seemed equally happy with either 720p or 1080i, although give a slight nod to 720.

I was going to try a direct comparison between HDMI and component 480p, but when HDMI is enabled on the S97, only 480i is available via component. For what is is worth the Panny did a nice job with the 480i.

One of my reasons for wanting an HDMI player was to get around the fact that if I connect the Comcast Moto DVR via HDMI only 2 channel PCM audio is recorded by the DVR. Using component passes Dolby D to the DVR.

Paul Bigelow

12-30-05, 01:10 PM

Hello trekguy,

Welcome to AVS Forum and the S97 FAQ thread. L of A is a great movie, and a favorite of seveal of this thread's participants. The DVD versions (even the Superbit) have a bit of edge enhancement that is part of the DVD mastering it really can't be eliminated. The best we can do is ensure the sharpness controls are properly set. Even so, the movie looks and sounds fabulous.

I'm glad you like the DVD-S97.

Paul

trekguy

12-30-05, 01:29 PM

DavidOSpot

12-31-05, 11:19 PM

My S97 is displaying "RTMR" . Does anyone know what it stands for? I found no mention of it in the manua.l

DavidOSpot

12-31-05, 11:21 PM

My S97 is displaying "RTMR" . Does anyone know what it stands for? I found no mention of it in the manual.

maverick0716

01-01-06, 03:07 PM

Has anyone tried telling the difference with 8 bit vs. 10 bit over HDMI?

fresno1232001

01-01-06, 07:43 PM

Paul- I have the S-97. Currently trying a HK avr-635 receiver. Just running audio thru two composite cables- analog- from the player to receiver, but audio is fantastic for cds dvds and dvd-audio. Question: Since receivers with an HDMI input are still expensive, and since the Pioneer vsx-56TXi receiver can take a firewire, or iLink or IEEE1394 cable (all are the same thing), can the S-97 use a firewire cable to communicate with the Pioneer receiver? I'm considering the vsx-56TXI receiver. Thank you.

Paul Bigelow

01-01-06, 08:32 PM

The S97 does not have a firewire connection.

Paul

fresno1232001

01-01-06, 11:39 PM

Paul- A couple of hrs ago you told me the following: "DVD-Audio can be listened two in 2 ways: 1) Analog output from the S97.
2) HDMI when connected to an HDMI equipped receiver capable of DECODING DVD-Audio via the HDMI 1.1 spec (the SA-XR70, for example)."
My question has to do with receivers "being capable of decoding DVD-Audio". I just now looked at the Yamaha HTR-5990 7.1 Ch receiver. It has HDMI - 2 in, 1 out and says it has a "wide range audio frequency response for DVD-Audio and SACD compatability". I thought the S97 decoded DVD-Audios and did not think that receivers decoded them. Do receivers actually have to decode DVD-Audios somehow, or do they just have to have "a wide range audio frequency response", which Yamaha says is what their receiver has to make it compatable with DVD-Audios and SACDs? Many thanks.

Paul Bigelow

01-02-06, 12:55 AM

The receivers have to have HDMI with the 1.1 specification.

Paul

Paul Bigelow

01-02-06, 01:11 AM

Have a look on page 106 (page 110 of 128) of the .pdf of the HTR-5990 manual here:

HTR-5990 manual (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/customer/manuals/PDFs/HTR-5990_e(U).pdf)

I strongly recommend reading through manufacturers manuals before making a purchase. It can help eliminate unwanted surprises. Though in, this case, if I read it correctly, we have good news here!

Paul

dr.jim.b

01-02-06, 07:26 AM

Say, Paul....
from what I've been reading on this thread... it looks as if you've had your panasonic S97S
for well over a year, now
I just picked up a Samsung HLR 6178 DLP (this TV is supposed to display 1080p) and am
considering upgrading my old Sony DVD player for a new upconverting/progressive player.

I was looking at the Samsung HD950 and called onecall.com but when I called them to check on availability & pricing... etc. The tech I spoke to on the telephone was strongly
urging me to consider the Panasonic S97S as an alternative....

So... two questions for you (if you please)

1) even though a year has gone by since you got your Pan S97... so you think it is
still a leader in the upconverting DVD player models available?

and...

2) considering the fact that there really aren't too many devices in the marketplace
yet which have 1080p output (maybe none at all before the Sony PSP3 comes out?)

Perhaps, it would make more sense for me to wait another 6 months or so before
buying a new DVD player... I'm sure that the old Sony model I have (S5300) probably
only puts out 480i or 480p but it doesn't look too bad on the Samsung HDTV when
I play a DVD on it (perhaps the TV does some internal upscaling to fill-up the 61 inch
screen?).

So - do you think that (perhaps) manufacturers are getting ready to introduce/release
new DVD upconverting model players (in the near future like next 6 mos or so) which
would suggest that I would be better off waiting a few months before purchasing one?

Your input/feedback on these 2 questions would be greatly appreciated.

thanks!!

dr.jim.b

Paul Bigelow

01-02-06, 11:39 PM

dr.jim.b

You have a PM!

Basically:

1. Yes -- (macroblock enhance possibility, notwithstanding) in the sub-$300 range.

2. Yes -- CES is coming up at the end of this week with lots of forthcoming new items. Blu-Ray maybe in June 2006, if that is a possibility.

Paul

NoThru22

01-03-06, 08:32 AM

I disagree with Paul. I think the S97 is the best player under $1000 (retail.)

Julio Bro!

01-03-06, 08:36 AM

Hello Paul:

I heard that the FCC delayed the digital conversion for TV stations, maybe this could cause a delay on the mass release of the new HD DVD players and HD recorders, including DVRs. What do you think?

Also, I think that no matter who comes out first, Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, the other will follow fast and both will be on the street at the same time. I just hope marketing strategies favor consumers...like say, Blu being able to play on a standard player or having the standard version on the other side.

jcc

01-03-06, 12:38 PM

Blu will be in the hands of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, by year end in the form of a PS3. In the next 3-5 years Sony will sell between 100 to 200 million PS3s, hense, bluray players. It is the defacto standard. Anyone who doesn't know this by now has blinders on.

Sun Tzu, "Every war is won, before it's ever fought."

Sirquack

01-03-06, 02:18 PM

I am using a software that I purchased at a local best buy called ICopyDvds2 to make some copies of some DVD's I own. My kids have already broken a few of my DVD's so I figure if they break a copy, no biggy.

Anyway, I'm curious if there are certain brands of media that work better than others? My wife got me some Phillips DVD+R's for Christmas and on my Panny S97s I get various locations throughout the movie where it freezes for a brief moment and then goes on to play. I called the software company and they said it was either that my DVD player is not able to play DVD+R's with 100% accuracy, or the media I was using needs to be better.

I'm just curious if others have had better luck with a different brand, or should I go get some DVD-R's since I know the S97S manual says that will work no problem, it does not state +R's will work.

The DVD's play fine in both of my computer DVD players so I know the disc are fine...

Thanks, Randy

ps: also is there anyway to fix the overscan problem. When I watch movies via HDMI to my Sanyo Z2, I get a 5-6pixel border all the way around the screen, this does not happen via component.

thanks

traker1001

01-03-06, 02:49 PM

oops dup post.

traker1001

01-03-06, 02:49 PM

DVD+R's and DVD+R DL both work well in the s97, And it seems most other players as well. I use a combonation of anydvd and clonedvd2 to backup my dvd's, These to programs together with DL dvd make almost an exact duplicate of the original dvd. But even if you dont use DL dvd's to make backups, The programs do an exelent job. Anydvd itself prevents rootkits from being installed and also prevents most copy protection from activating on audio cd's. And God knows how many audio cd's I have lost to my kids.

You can get these programs from this site http://www.slysoft.com/en/

as far as the overscan goes, Its more than likely a TV issue.

Julio Bro!

01-03-06, 03:00 PM

Blu will be in the hands of hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions, by year end in the form of a PS3. In the next 3-5 years Sony will sell between 100 to 200 million PS3s, hense, bluray players.

So, you think that most PS2 owners will change to PS3? Also, will PS3 have HDMI? Don't you think that in less than 3 years HD-DVD will give the fight?

I think there's gonna be an almost half & half situation because of the user friendly characteristic of HD-DVD. Not everyone will have a PS3 and I'm almost sure that Blu movies, being Sony, will be more expensive than HD-DVD...that could even things out.

The real question is what the movie distributors will do. Maintain the separation or try for somekind of mix/double format packaging.

Latin-Man

01-03-06, 03:02 PM

What brand of DVD+ disks did you use. As this player (S97) wont play DVD+ disks, only DVD- disks. I tried Memorex DVD+ and could'nt get them to work. I just use Sony DVD- to burn my movies.

thanx

Latin-Man

01-03-06, 03:06 PM

I am using a software that I purchased at a local best buy called ICopyDvds2 to make some copies of some DVD's I own. My kids have already broken a few of my DVD's so I figure if they break a copy, no biggy.

Anyway, I'm curious if there are certain brands of media that work better than others? My wife got me some Phillips DVD+R's for Christmas and on my Panny S97s I get various locations throughout the movie where it freezes for a brief moment and then goes on to play. I called the software company and they said it was either that my DVD player is not able to play DVD+R's with 100% accuracy, or the media I was using needs to be better.

I'm just curious if others have had better luck with a different brand, or should I go get some DVD-R's since I know the S97S manual says that will work no problem, it does not state +R's will work.

The DVD's play fine in both of my computer DVD players so I know the disc are
fine...

Thanks, Randy

ps: also is there anyway to fix the overscan problem. When I watch movies via HDMI to my Sanyo Z2, I get a 5-6pixel border all the way around the screen, this does not happen via component.

thanks

I personally use brand name DVD's, Sony for example, you can get those at Best Buy for $20 for a 50 pack. they come on sale about once a month. Memorex is also another good brand I use. I got over 50 movies, never had any problems with either brand. hope that helps

traker1001

01-03-06, 03:16 PM

What brand of DVD+ disks did you use. As this player (S97) wont play DVD+ disks, only DVD- disks. I tried Memorex DVD+ and could'nt get them to work. I just use Sony DVD- to burn my movies.

thanx

I use sony and verbatim DVD+ disks, I have never had problem 1 with them in any player including my s97 and my xbox.

P.S. Same goes for goes for the +R DL discs, They also play in my xbox and s97.

Sirquack

01-03-06, 03:40 PM

jcc

01-03-06, 05:33 PM

So, you think that most PS2 owners will change to PS3? Also, will PS3 have HDMI? Don't you think that in less than 3 years HD-DVD will give the fight?

I think there's gonna be an almost half & half situation because of the user friendly characteristic of HD-DVD. Not everyone will have a PS3 and I'm almost sure that Blu movies, being Sony, will be more expensive than HD-DVD...that could even things out.

The real question is what the movie distributors will do. Maintain the separation or try for somekind of mix/double format packaging.

PS3 will be the hottest machine released this year. It will also have 2 HDMI ports. HD-DVD is stillborn, DOA.

traker1001

01-03-06, 06:38 PM

The brands I had a problem with so far on the S97s are Imation Dvd+R's from Compusa and Philips DVD+R's from Walmart. I guess I'll try some better brand names. I've heard some people have good luck with Ritek, never heard of them? I may try DVD-R's since the manual says they are 100% compatible...

Randy

I have found alot more systems dislike -r's than +r's. Its kinda funny your having problems, My s97 will replay off of even +rw's that have been written to many many times. Maybe the program your using to write to the discs with is causing the problem as opposed to the discs themselfs. You should give nero or clonedvd2 a try.

Latin-Man

01-05-06, 04:54 PM

Well, I tested DVD+ on my panny S97 and XBOX....and guess what...It works.
WOOOOOHOOOO!!!

Sirquack

01-05-06, 04:58 PM

Some of my +R brands have also worked, I think there is a difference in quality. I've heard Ritek and Taiyo Yuden are very good brands, they may cost a little more, but you never get coasters.

qdaddyo

01-06-06, 12:24 AM

I have a 56" Panny DLP, model PT-56DLX75, and I just purchased the S97.

I set it up via HDMI, put on Monsters, Inc., and see tons of MB.

Reading through the manual, I see there are many different possible settings. What are the ideal settings?

qdaddyo

01-06-06, 09:18 PM

Couple more questions:

1. What do I set the PCM Digitial Out to? 48kHz, 96kHz, or 192kHz? I have it connected to a Yamaha RX-V800 receiver via optical cable.

2. I have a DLP set. What do I choose as my TV Type? Standard(Direct View TV), CRT Projecter, LCD TV/Projector, Projection TV, or Plasma TV?

traker1001

01-06-06, 10:59 PM

1. What do I set the PCM Digitial Out to? 48kHz, 96kHz, or 192kHz? I have it connected to a Yamaha RX-V800 receiver via optical cable.

2. I have a DLP set. What do I choose as my TV Type? Standard(Direct View TV), CRT Projecter, LCD TV/Projector, Projection TV, or Plasma TV?

1. I have a Yamaha YHT-F1500 and I have mine set to 192kHZ, Seems to work very well.

2. DLP is Projection TV.

Paul Bigelow

01-06-06, 11:04 PM

Hello qdaddyo,

A lot of questions, recommended settings, and a explanation of the TV type setting is explained in the first post of this thread, including hints and tips to reduce macroblock enhance.

With PCM, generally, the higher the better, depending upon what the equipment can handle via the digital output. In the case of the RX-V800, if I read the manual correctly, on page 12 it appears it can accept 96kHz.

Paul

Paul Bigelow

01-07-06, 12:08 AM

Major rearrangement of first post. Hopefully it is easier to use and find info -- especially the FAQ-type. Will be working on it some more.

Paul

aprest

01-08-06, 03:34 PM

I have been reading this thread for several days now and still have not seen a definitive answer to whether I would get significant macroblocking with the S97 and a Panasonic 42PX50U plasma (maybe there isn't a definitive answer). I am thinking of buying the S97 from J&R and I assume that it would have the latest firmware. Is there any recent exprerience with this combination?

I am returning an Oppo because of the "stutter" problem with DVD-Rs burned using set top DVD recorders. I did not notice a macroblocking problem with the Oppo but I did not use it for very long. I don't want to have to return another DVD player if there is a significant chance that I will have macroblocking problems.

Julio Bro!

01-08-06, 03:40 PM

[QUOTE=qdaddyo]...1. What do I set the PCM Digitial Out to? 48kHz, 96kHz, or 192kHz? I have it connected to a Yamaha RX-V800 receiver via optical cable.[QUOTE]

I have a Yamaha HTR-5280 which accepts 96khz data, but the manual indicates it would only output in stereo. So I set up the DVD player to output only at 48khz.

Mine is an old receiver though, but the thing would be to check what your manual indicates regarding digital processing of audio signals. In general the higher the rate the better, but set for the highest surround processing rate of your receiver.

traker1001

01-08-06, 03:54 PM

aprest

01-08-06, 04:15 PM

aprest - there isn't a definitive answer. I would check the firmware version, You shouldnt ass-ume, However it is very easy to check and upgrade. Also keep in mind that the dvd player is not the only potential problem when it comes to whats causing the Macroblocking.

Is there a significant improvement with the latest and greatest firmware? If the DVD player is connected directly to the plasma HDMI, what other variables might there be?

Has anyone compared the S97 to the Sony DVP-NS90V?

traker1001

01-08-06, 04:24 PM

I noticed a significant improvement with the firmware upgrade. Also The variable depend on the TV to, There are other people here who have diffrent tv's who have never had MB problems.

teknoguy

01-08-06, 04:48 PM

And, the source material has a HUGE effect on what you see for macro-blocking as well. Some DVDs have none some have little, some have lots. At least, from what I've seen, this is the case.
ymmv

Fotis_Greece

01-08-06, 05:14 PM

Can I ask a silly (maybe) question? Can I use the firmware update with models bought in Europe, PAL version which also have scart (RGB,SVIDEO,COMPOSITE) output? Or is it only for american versions

aprest

01-08-06, 07:06 PM

I noticed a significant improvement with the firmware upgrade. Also The variable depend on the TV to, There are other people here who have diffrent tv's who have never had MB problems.

OK let me ask again. Anyone have experience with macroblocking with the S97 (and upgraded firmware) and a Panasonic 42PX50U or 50PX50U plasma ?

traker1001

01-08-06, 09:45 PM

The compression seems to have a huge effect on MB, Has anyone had MB on a superbit dvd, Just out of curiosity.

teknoguy

01-09-06, 07:26 AM

The compression seems to have a huge effect on MB, Has anyone had MB on a superbit dvd, Just out of curiosity.

I think you're right about the compression.

I have "Lawrence of Arabia" and never saw it on that.
Just watched "Fifth Element" in SB, and didn't see it there either.

FWIW...
Week between Christmas and New years, family watched all 6 Star Wars DVD's.
None of these are in SB but didn't see MB in any of them. Now those are THX mastered so I don't know if that has anything to do with it or not.

NoThru22

01-09-06, 09:27 AM

Star Wars Episode II is one of the worst examples of macroblocking you can find. The scene in Palpatine's office has the red floor literally dancing. Your display must not be too susceptible to it. I saw a bit of macroblocking in Episode III when I got my projector back with a new bulb but once I turned the brightness down it was minimized.

traker1001

01-09-06, 12:03 PM

The scene in Palpatine's office has the red floor literally dancing.

I didnt see any MB in episode II at all, I did however catch a little in III.

qdaddyo

01-09-06, 06:17 PM

maxleung

01-09-06, 08:36 PM

720p input of your TV needs to be calibrated?

emacs

01-09-06, 11:12 PM

Has Panasonic ever said why they aren't selling the S97 in Canada?
i purchased my S97S back in late September 2005 and i live in Toronto; the large retail outlets don't seem to sell the S97S but do sell the S77.

qdaddyo

01-11-06, 10:38 PM

720p input of your TV needs to be calibrated?

I don't know! I have the Avia disc, yet I get so confused on how I'm supposed to calibrate it. I'm just so afraid of doing the wrong thing!

I'm soooo close to returning this thing and going back to my progressive scan Toshiba.

jakeman

01-11-06, 11:09 PM

The problem is with your display not the player. There have been several incompatibility problems reported involving Panny dlp displays. I would learn to live with 1080i if you don't want to have your TV calibrated. The s97 has stood the test of time well.

rattrick1

01-12-06, 12:19 AM

I've heard that you can only get 2 channel audio from the HDMI cable, is this true? If so, can you switch it to output the audio using something else?

Thanks in advance for your input.

sayanythingrock

01-12-06, 12:33 AM

what a dumb question

rattrick1

01-12-06, 09:21 AM

what a dumb question

HAHA! Go to hell!

Thanks for the help though.. People on other sites are dumb asses.

lnguyen

01-12-06, 09:57 AM

Report back after 1 year and three months of using S97. It is still going well with no problem whatsoever. I stoped updating the firmware after the second after the last and the PQ was so good that I didn't want to mess with it though.

Julio Bro!

01-12-06, 10:51 AM

The TV I own, Panasonic 56" DLP (PT-56DLX75) has a native resolution of 720p. However, when I play "The Incredibles" with the S97 set to 720p, all the faces are blue! When the S97 is set to 1080i, the colors look normal.

Any ideas?

If this is a "still on warranty" TV, get a tech to look at it, it seems to odd a problem to be solve with the usual stuff. Try also e-mailing Panny's support, see if they've got that experience with someone else.

If not on warranty, you may have to pay for service...I know it's not what anyone wants...but it's the last formal shot.

qdaddyo

01-12-06, 10:58 AM

aprest

01-12-06, 11:59 AM

OK let me ask again. Anyone have experience with macroblocking with the S97 (and upgraded firmware) and a Panasonic 42PX50U or 50PX50U plasma ?

To answer to my own question I bought a Panasonic DVD-S97S (which had the latest firmware) and ran it with my Panasonic 42PX50U plasma (1080i on HDMI). I then watched portions of six DVDs. Unlike my experience with the OPPO DVD player there was no "stutter" with DVD-Rs that I recorded on my set top DVD recorders. The macroblocking problem of the S97S was not very obvious on five of the six DVDs - but it was very obvious on Master and Commander that I recorded to a DVD-R from my DirecTV HD HR10-250 Tivo STB. Other than the macroblocking problem on Master and Commander the images were fantastic!

I also bought a Sony DVP-NS90V and compared it to the S97S. The macroblocking problem was reduced on the Sony but not eliminated. However the picture from the Sony NS90V did not compare to the S97S. I'm keeping the Panasonic S97S and the Sony NS90V is going back!

crebive

01-13-06, 10:47 AM

Just some general observations for those of you who are interested in the s97 and have an Infocus 4805.

I bought the 97s with intentions of getting a new 720p projector later this year.

PQ is excellent. I do not notice any MB.

I am upconverting to 720p through HDMI, even though I know the projector is native 480p. No matter what anyone says, I notice the picture to be a a bit more natural at 720p. I can't explain it as I know that is just downconverting back to 480p, but from my observations, I just seems better. It just seems smoother, which makes sense since the upconvert to downconvert process.

The sound quality is excellent as well. Although I tried out a Sony NS90V, and I felt the sound seemed a bit more pronouced in the surround speakers with the Sony. But the PQ still wins out for me with the Panasonic.

Plus all the settings and adjustments on the Panasonic...it's a tweakers dream!

Just my 2 cents as when I was looking for research for this particular setup I had a difficult time finding anything out there, so I felt I should post.

D

Latin-Man

01-13-06, 11:00 AM

Here is an old update of mine, my S97 for some reason wouldnt play DVD+, now it does. Maybe it was the firmware update, but I doubt that is the case. Anybody upgraded to the 40 firmware, I only update the 37 or 38 I believe. Im assuming the last 2 firmware updates are the same in all respects. However, I did see a slight reduction in macroblocking on my S97, not much, but just an itsy-witsy-bitsy-reduction.

johnny_marin

01-13-06, 12:43 PM

I have a question about audio delay on this unit. I find that my audio is on earlier than the corresponding video in varying degrees depending on the mastering of the DVD. I thought there was an audio delay feature on this unit. The only delay function I have found resides in the Video menu. Does this delay pertain to audio or video. Obviously in my case I need audio to be delayed, not the video!

Thanks, John

Kidsmoke

01-14-06, 11:44 AM

Thought I'd post an update on the U70-2 HDMI Error. Before I shipped my unit back for replacement I ran by the Big Screen Store and they let me hook it up to a few TV's, and the error came up everytime. Just got my new s97 and its working great. I guess the hdmi port must have gone bad on my original unit.

pmauro

01-15-06, 12:19 AM

AtlPaul

01-15-06, 09:48 AM

OK - I am going to ask this questions again (nobody responded a month ago...)

I have been pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DVD-S97 to receive remote commands from an IR emitter. After sticking the the emitter to every conceivable location on the player, I took the damn thing apart to try my luck at that. Unfortunately, I was a little daunted by the lack of access to the front panel.

Am I missing something? What good is this DVD player if I need to have my component cabinet door open all the time to work the controls?!

thanks in advance for any help,

pete
Just a wild guess - maybe you have placed the emitter too close to the unit's IR receiver. Also, perhaps the cabinet doors are IR reflective and hence with the reflections mess up the signal.

cpc

01-15-06, 03:37 PM

Is anyone using the S97 HDMI to the Hitachi PJ TX200?

aprest

01-15-06, 05:43 PM

OK - I am going to ask this questions again (nobody responded a month ago...)

I have been pulling what little hair I have left out trying to get my DVD-S97 to receive remote commands from an IR emitter. After sticking the the emitter to every conceivable location on the player, I took the damn thing apart to try my luck at that. Unfortunately, I was a little daunted by the lack of access to the front panel.

Am I missing something? What good is this DVD player if I need to have my component cabinet door open all the time to work the controls?!

thanks in advance for any help,

pete

The IR receiver window on the S97 is the white opague window about an inch to the right of the power button. Did you try the emitter with another component that you know works with the IR extender?

My S97 works with my Radio Shack 15-2116 universal remote and is not very sensitive to how accurately I aim that remote.

Sirquack

01-17-06, 10:39 AM

Andreas_CH_M

01-17-06, 11:12 AM

jakeman

01-17-06, 11:29 AM

My experience as well. Stick with the DVD-Rs for trouble free viewing on the s97.

J.P.Heff

01-17-06, 01:33 PM

Great Thread: Ton's of information!!

I just purchased this unit (S-97-S) from One Call. I had Three (3) DenonDVD-756-S
before that because I wanted the HDMI output, and needed to save $ a while longer for Pioneers DV-79AVi. I sent all three Denons back as they had firmware and power issues. Should never have went for the third. After a few days in use they failed to turn on with remote, or manually. Had to re-set, with power cord. Also some other quirks.
I really like the Panny! Much better picture quality and more settings. Especially like the display setting for 4x3, set to Auto and it recognizes non-anamorphic and 4x3. The Denon did not, or I could not find anything in the menu to do it.
On this error code issue, I noticed the same code: U70-1 and found it to be HDMI cable/connection, but my unit was working fine. Then (dumb me) noticed when switched to DVD input there is no error code. It is on display (error) when I am using Satellite input!! Once switched back to DVD display reads "no disc", so believe mine is OK.
I have not tried all the various settings and adjustments, but have it looking very good, coupled with Sony HS51 projector.
BTW, the guys at One Call are great!!! Easy exchange when there is a problem..
Any suggestions on settings let me know, but for now may just keep this in HT room and not worry about buying Elite 79AVi....Thanks............

John

Sirquack

01-17-06, 11:14 PM

Thanks a bunch Andreas and Jakeman(my axiom buddy :) ) I have a, don't laugh, Sony 2X DVD +- burner. I'll try converting a few over to -R to see what happens.

jakeman

01-17-06, 11:24 PM

Thanks a bunch Andreas and Jakeman(my axiom buddy :) ) I have a, don't laugh, Sony 2X DVD +- burner. I'll try converting a few over to -R to see what happens.

err...ummm...2X??? Ok so how are you enjoying the 500. :D

RedBaronF2001

01-19-06, 04:33 PM

I just bought the '97 and hooked it up last night to my Sharp AQUOS 32" via HDMI. I have been previously using a Samsung HD-850 and the DVD picture quality was never quite "right" by my standard. The picture was somewhat soft and colors were over saturated and "blocky." Motion on poorly encoded DVDs was poor.

The DVD picture using the S97 is quite stunning. I can now see the drop shadow on the THX text (THX Optimizer) meaning blacker than black. Sharpness is much improved over the 850 and DVDs assume a much more "filmlike" picture.

FWIW I have '362 firmware installed (from the factory).

maxleung

01-19-06, 06:16 PM

What settings did you use in the S97 to get blacker-than-black? Usually we have to adjust the S97's contrast and brightness to get them.

RedBaronF2001

01-19-06, 09:35 PM

What settings did you use in the S97 to get blacker-than-black? Usually we have to adjust the S97's contrast and brightness to get them.

I followed hometheaterhifi's recommendations of Brightness to +2 and Contrast to -1. Everything else is set to default (0). HDMI > 720p, Auto 1. YCbCr 4:4:4 as well.

qdaddyo

01-20-06, 11:46 AM

I own a Panasonic 56" DLP (PT-56DLX75) and a Pansonic DVD player (DVD-S97S).

So I put in Star Wars, Episode II, last night on 1080i, and I see horrible MB in the Palpatine office scene. Not only that, but when I switch to 720p, everything that is red is blue. Samuel Jackson's face is blue.

Also, you know the preview screen...where it lists the rating of the film...you know how it's in green. Well, it's in green in 1080i, but blue in 720p. Something's off here. I have about one more week to return this thing. I'm wondering if I should just go back to my Toshiba progressive scan DVD player and wait for the HDDVD/Blu-Ray war to settle down.

jakeman

01-20-06, 11:59 AM

What settings did you use in the S97 to get blacker-than-black? Usually we have to adjust the S97's contrast and brightness to get them.

After the last round of discussion and testing on this topic I settled into +3/-6 but have gradually gone to +2/-4 without sactificing much visible dynamic range.

Taisin

01-20-06, 03:28 PM

Hi:

Does any body like to share how to recode the S-97 into region free?
Thanks for the help.

Taisin

aprest

01-20-06, 05:58 PM

I followed hometheaterhifi's recommendations of Brightness to +2 and Contrast to -1. Everything else is set to default (0). HDMI > 720p, Auto 1. YCbCr 4:4:4 as well.

I would like to read the hometheaterhifi recommendation that you referenced. Do you have a URL for it?

RedBaronF2001

01-22-06, 09:17 AM

I would like to read the hometheaterhifi recommendation that you referenced. Do you have a URL for it?

Secrets of Home Theater and High Fidelity 'S97 Link (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=122#PanasonicDVD-S97%20(HDMI))

mdmaclean

01-22-06, 07:21 PM

Hi:

Does any body like to share how to recode the S-97 into region free?
Thanks for the help.

Taisin

I think you need a special remote to do it. That's how it was done for mine (in the store where I bought it).

rwestley

01-23-06, 08:13 AM

There is a company in England that sells a one time use remote to make the 97S region free. I believe that if you do a search on the 97 thread you should be able to find it.

It should be noted that the new 97S players sold in the US will not play PAL disks.

yucl_98

01-23-06, 08:53 PM

S97S owners please help...OK I need to know what DVD+R's you guys are using with your S97S?

I've used a variety of programs to archive my DVD collection, Shrink, Decryptor, FabDecryptor, and a few retail programs. For media I've tried Phillips and Imation and when playing back the movies on my S97S, it freezes/skips at various locations. I do not have this problem on my laptop or desktop dvd player, they play fine. I've been told most likely it is the media I'm using.

I'm tempted to build myself a HTPC, as I know they will play fine on a computer based player. The manual does not list +R's as compatible, and it even says some -R's may not play correctly. I've heard Ritek and Taiyo Yuden are good brands. Am I just wasting my time, it is frustrating when watching my archived DVD's on my S97S, as you never know when it will skip/freeze? fyi, the unit was purchased mid-2005 and has the latest firmware.

Do not look for solutions on your DVD player, go the the source of the problem, which is the unreliable burn of the DVD. If it is a good burn, it is highly unlikely you will have this problem with any decent DVD player. They either play fine or don't play because the format is not supported. As for software, only the burning software (like Nero) is the one you need to worry; try to stick to Nero. The softwares you mentioned should not have anything to do with the stutter/freeze.

The burner and the disc are both important. I've used both Phillips and Imation discs and their quality was not very good. Now I would not use them even they are free. And the degree of stuttering various with the DVD player you use. I prefer Verbatim (either + or -) now and they are fairly inexpensive, you can usually get 50 for ~$15 on sales. Check out the burner you have, it is a good idea to change it with a good one. Most people believe that NEC burners (3540 for example) produce high quality burns. I threw away the 16X (+ only) phillip burner that came with my Dell PC and replaced it with a NEC 3520 about a year ago; couldn't be happier. Since I started with Verbatim + NEC combination, I have never had the stutter/freeze with any of my DVD players (for at least 50 burns). You can typically get a NEC burner from newegg.com for ~$40. Change your setup to a reliable combination and you will not regret. It is very annoying to have doubts that your backup copies might not play well when you need them.

KenTech

01-24-06, 06:21 PM

What settings did you use in the S97 to get blacker-than-black? Usually we have to adjust the S97's contrast and brightness to get them.I have used a grayscale step-pattern on the AVIA disk to set up HDMI/480p for full recovery of the same BTB and WTW I see from the component output. With that pattern, you can actually count the levels regained.

Bottom line. Contrast must be set at -3 and Brightness (black level) to +7 to see all of them. Settings lower than these will get you some of them; higher settings have no value. I saved the values to User2. I wonder if these levels are being "robbed" from somewhere in the middle of the brightness range.

This now raises the level for true black, and so I had to "trim" the HDMI input's black level in my Sony CRT set's service mode to accommodate.

That said, I agree with all that has been said about the HDMI/480p mode -- its slightly strange look, etc. Although the component output on 480i has a slight bit of vertical sharpness-enhancement, the overall look is better with better rendition of fine textures.

I note, however, that the upsampled output is drastically inferior (mushy!) to 480i component or 480p HDMI, and I wonder if anyone with a different set from my 36XS955 (like a 34XBR960 in image processing) has found it satisfactory.

maxleung

01-25-06, 12:42 AM

Thanks Ken. I tried settings similar to yours several months ago and I concluded that it must have taken away levels throughout the grayscale range (I compared to my bit-perfect HTPC). However, my projector only accepts 8 bit RGB so the dithering would have been very apparent. With 10 bit YCbCr (or is it YPbPr?) it may not be noticeable if the display supports it.

jakeman

01-25-06, 09:01 AM

Last time we discussed this I measured as well and came up with the -8/+3 setting for maximum dynamic range using HDMI. Even though there was more information after trying 12 gamma settings on my projector I never liked the image, colours didn't seem as punchy and it looked slightly washed out. So I gradually backed off to -6/+3 for a while but have now settled into -4/+2. The lesson is that there are several other important factors impacting on image quality besides the dynamic range of the player. Secrets recommended -3/+1 but I believe most users would benefit by increasing the range slightly to -4/+2 but not necessarily to the extent indicated above without tweaking many other settings at the display.

KenTech

01-26-06, 12:17 PM

Last time we discussed this I measured as well and came up with the -8/+3 setting for maximum dynamic range using HDMI.
Do you mean Contrast -8 and Brightness (black level) +3? The -8 seems way overkill, as all of the white levels show up at lower settings. (I'm judging this on a high-end Sony CRT set, which doesn't appear to be adding to the problem.)

jakeman

01-26-06, 12:50 PM

Ken there was a long discussion in September on this one. Here is the link
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6222085&&#post6222085

mdmaclean

01-27-06, 08:50 AM

Ken there was a long discussion in September on this one. Here is the link
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6222085&&#post6222085

Thanks for the link. With a thread this large, it can become hard to find things! :)

jakeman

01-27-06, 09:29 AM

Hope it clarified things Mark. By the way I see you are located in China. Excuse me this once everyone is this is offtopic but I would appreciate Mark's thoughts on this thread. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6985259&&#post6985259

yagiska

01-27-06, 11:02 PM

Nascar Dog

01-28-06, 11:42 AM

Anyone have any idea why my cheapo panny dvd player has faithfully played my +R DL burns for close to a year now, but my s97 (which i otherwise love) locks up like like I just shot it whenever I load one in the tray? I have to cycle the power to get it to respond.

I hate having to keep a cheap DVD player around to play my burned movies.
I had the same problem with my S97. If you use DVD Shrink to create the DL disk then the S97 will freak out. Use DVD Decrypter or tell DVD Shrink to burn using DVD Decrypter and all will be well on the S97.

yagiska

01-28-06, 12:06 PM

I had the same problem with my S97. If you use DVD Shrink to create the DL disk then the S97 will freak out. Use DVD Decrypter or tell DVD Shrink to burn using DVD Decrypter and all will be well on the S97.

I've always used DVD Decrypter to both rip and burn the ISO. I'm using Memorex +R DL disks. I really don't understand why this player doesn't include +R or +RW support.

Nascar Dog

01-28-06, 12:16 PM

I've always used DVD Decrypter to both rip and burn the ISO. I'm using Memorex +R DL disks. I really don't understand why this player doesn't include +R or +RW support.
Do you have the latest S97 firmware 541?

yagiska

01-28-06, 02:32 PM

I use 362, which I believe is the latest firmware for my hardware.

KenTech

01-28-06, 07:49 PM

I use 362, which I believe is the latest firmware for my hardware.My S97 is firmware 362, and I haven't had a lick of grief playing +R and +RW disks burned on my computer's Plextor PX-712A. I routinely burn +Rs for backups of certain films, and they're all fine. If I expect problems, it would be with +RW, as these have an excessive error rate to suit me for data. But I use them only for video experiments, testing on the S97 before burning a "real" DVD.

KenTech

01-28-06, 08:10 PM

Ken there was a long discussion in September on this one.Thanks for the reference! I am working my way through it all, reading the further links, too.

After noting the comments on Finding Nemo as a good test for banding, I used it to run a bunch of tests on my Sony 36XS955's HDMI input with different settings for the S97's Contrast, Brightness, and the different display-setup designations (direct-view, projection). I tried to duplicate many of the settings mentioned in the threads that were reported as both horrible and not-too-bad. My comments apply only to this class of displays; I have to beieve that sets with purely digital processing from the HDMI input to the screen and with differing bit-depth of processing would behave quire differently.

(1) For overall quality and freedom from artifacts, 480i over component connections blows everything else away, in all respects. I have yet to encounter a film where the frame-cadence "demands" the Panasonic's superior deinterlacing algorithms; the Sony's "CineMotion" option is just fine.

(2) On HDMI, banding of some sort is visible on *all* combinations of Contrast and Brightness for Direct-View display, *except* for settings them at Zero or choosing Normal from the Picture submenu, where the picture is virtually banding-free.

(3) For Projection TV, the Normal setting invokes about -2 Contrast and +4 Brightness, which also cause banding identical to setting these manually to the same values.

(4) There is ittle reason to choose among C/B settings of -3/+8, -3/+7, -2/+4, etc. All cause banding, just in different places and of varying coarseness.

(5) Contrast of -1 and Brightness of +2 seem to cause very little banding, so if I must have a couple of those extra-studio levels, that seems harmless enough, with only slight banding, if you look for it. I'm going to live with this for a while -- as much as I choose to use it, as component is always better overall.

(BTW, the TV, with the DA-4 chassis common to many of these high-end Sony CRT sets, has been tweaked, focused, and calibrated to a fair-thee-well, as one might deduce from reading the thread I started here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5497242&&#post5497242).)

maverick0716

01-29-06, 03:40 AM

yagiska

01-29-06, 10:12 AM

Use DVD-R......the S97 plays those just fine.

a) That doesn't do me much good for the +R disks I already have burned.
b) I didn't think they made -R DL disks.

KenTech

01-29-06, 02:29 PM

b) I didn't think they made -R DL disks.Sorry, I didn't see the "DL" in your original post. None of mine are DL.

oraclation

02-02-06, 04:55 PM

Sorry, I didn't see the "DL" in your original post. None of mine are DL.

Yes they make DVD-R DL, but I use Verbatim DVD+R DL on my S97. I had to flash the firmware on my Pioneer 110D to force it to Autobitset the DVD+R to booktype equal to DVD-ROM. Now my DVD+R DL ISO burns work perfectly on S97 and no delay on layer change.

Does everyone using HDMI to DVI suggest setting HDMI RGB to "Enhanced"?

Thanks!

AYAMY

02-03-06, 11:50 AM

Has anyone seen the macroblocking effect on the S97 thru the HDMI connection with the VPR Sanyo Z4 ?
....and what is the best setting for HDMI output?

thanks!!

Sim

Taisin

02-03-06, 07:23 PM

Re all region code for S97
I like to thank Mdmaclean and rwestley for thier input.
But I guess no body has the access to the code and procedures yet.

thoth

02-04-06, 02:55 PM

Paul Bigelow

02-04-06, 06:46 PM

Good report thoth. I haven't tried DL discs yet.

Paul

antknee

02-09-06, 10:39 AM

Hi. Which would be best to use the S97 contrast, brightness, etc settings or the TVs?
If I use the TVs what should I set the S97 at?
Thanks

phillb

02-09-06, 02:35 PM

Had this player a while now and the audio side of things is no-where near as good as the s75 I had.Looking to change it now!

mallu2u

02-10-06, 01:30 PM

Guys:

If I recall correctly, there was a setting in this player to not force non-4:3 to be streched when using 720p? Few DVDs lately I used that I know are 4:3 were streched and looked awful.

RedBaronF2001

02-15-06, 09:39 PM

Have any fellow AVS members been able to solve the mystery of the U70-2 error? I have only had my S97 for a little over a month and it will encounter this error every time I turn it on. I have to turn it off, then on, then off many times before it "connects" with my TV (over HDMI) and displays a picture.

I have the S97 connected to a Sharp AQUOS 32" LCDTV via HDMI (the supplied cable from Panasonic). For a solid month, I had zero trouble with this player. All of a sudden, every time I turn it on to play a disc, I get "U70-2".

trekguy

02-15-06, 10:30 PM

Bruno1453

02-16-06, 08:53 AM

Bruno1453

02-16-06, 08:59 AM

I might be overlooking the obvious here but I need help please.

The S97 is connected to a Panny plasma via HDMI. All is good.

Audio goes to the AV receiver via the optical connection. Works fine.

I also run L/R analog out to the panel so those who want to can use the plasma's speakers and not bother about the AV receiver. That works fine.

The problem is trying to use the S97 as a CD audio player. Nothing is out put via optical or coax unless the plasma is turned on. If it is on the CD audio works the way it should.

I suspect this is a feature ( as they say about software that isn't quite right) of HDMI, but can I get around it?

I have had this happen to me before if I am watching a movie (HDCP handshake complete) and then decided to listen to CDs. My remote is programmed to turn off the projector (save bulb life) when I listen to music only. The S97 keeps trying to reconnect to the projector which is off and I get the U70 error and no sound out of the unit. Turning off the Panny and turning it back on fixes the no sound issue for me.

trekguy

02-16-06, 01:44 PM

I have had this happen to me before if I am watching a movie (HDCP handshake complete) and then decided to listen to CDs. My remote is programmed to turn off the projector (save bulb life) when I listen to music only. The S97 keeps trying to reconnect to the projector which is off and I get the U70 error and no sound out of the unit. Turning off the Panny and turning it back on fixes the no sound issue for me.

Thanks for the suggestion, Bruno1453. I went back to the media room (aka family room) and tried all combinations of tv on and dvd player on, but no joy.

But I though if it works for you why not for me, and I started through the S97s menu. On the Dolby ProLogic II tab the setting was off. I set it to music and music was heard. But the front panel display shows Dolby PL II. When the TV is on the Dolby indicator is not lighted.

Does this mean that two channel audio is being processed by Dolby decoder? Does this add to or degrade the signal in anyway?

trekguy

02-16-06, 02:33 PM

Are you taking the analog audio from the 5.1 outputs or from the other analog L/R outputs on the S97. If from the 5.1 outputs try going into Setup and in the Speaker setup section try setting to output 2ch rather than 5.1.

More experimenting and here is what works:

S97 connected to panny plasma via HDMI and

L/R audio for those not wanting to muck with AV receiver.

S97 Setup Audio Tab, PCM Digital Output --Select Up to 96kHz ( I had it at 192)

Other Settings Audio Menu, Dolby ProLogic II-- Select Music

To listen to a CD on the Onkyo 702 --Select Stereo or Pure Audio or Dolby PLII, any of them work whether or not the TV is on.

I guess that sometimes the default settings don't work.

Thanks to those that replied and perhaps this will help someone else.

RedBaronF2001

02-16-06, 09:31 PM

If you have a programmable remote you can simply add a delay to the S97 turn on command. This will allow the TV to completely "boot" and be ready for the HDCP handshake.

After making this change I don't have any problems.

I finally got the player to play a disc again, but 3/4 of the way through the movie, the player quit displaying a picture and "U70-1" showed up.

Needless to say, this player is going back.

maverick0716

02-17-06, 04:01 AM

Guys:

If I recall correctly, there was a setting in this player to not force non-4:3 to be streched when using 720p? Few DVDs lately I used that I know are 4:3 were streched and looked awful.

There's a setting in one of the menus when you press Display on the remote. I set mine to auto detect.......it also detects non anamorphic dvds.

captainjy

02-17-06, 04:28 AM

mallu2u

02-17-06, 09:32 AM

There's a setting in one of the menus when you press Display on the remote. I set mine to auto detect.......it also detects non anamorphic dvds.
I thought I had mine at auto detect as well. Will check again. Coz I was really surprised that it did not work. Will check and report back. thanks for responding

trekguy

02-17-06, 07:02 PM

Just a quick question about the audio- with HDMI, are you only able to get two channels for sound with the S97? I have a read a few posts and reviews and am hearing that you can only get 2 audio channels for sound.

The S97 feeds my panny plasma via an HDMI connection with no issues. At the same time the S97 Dolby / DTS audio goes via optical directly to my receiver- both Dolby D and DTS work fine.

In an earlier post I was having a problem geting 2 channel output from CDs, but no problems with DVD Dolby or DTS.