I take back all the bad things I said about KMIZ / Fox 38! :D

I see they lit up the channel 22 transmitter for Fox last night. Down here I am receiving them at 78-80% this morning, which is good. KOMU is still on 36, not sure why, but I get them 94% where I did get them 85% or so. Morning conditions usually I get them all a little better, so I'll be anxious to see how things are this afternoon and over the weekend. 17 moved from digital 22 back to 17, and I get them around 90% where I did get them 86-90% typically. Not sure if they bumped up power yet or if it makes a difference on the fringe. I even have program guide info on Fox 22! Needless to say I am happy, and thanks to everyone.

Anybody else with DirecTv not getting 17-3 and 17-4 OTA now?

I'm getting 75% signals, but "searching for signal" message.

I am getting 22-1 and 17-1 (thank you, KMIZ for Fox in HD!)

I wonder if KMIZ didn't notify Tribune Media Services of the move, or maybe TMS didn't change the guide data?

So get this...I scan the channels with my indoor, amplified rabbit ears, and.....





still no KRCG :mad: I'm off of the Lake of the Woods Exit, so I shouldn't be THAT far from the tower. But here is the SHOCKER:


I get St. Louis channels!!! I get KPLR, as well as the Fox channel and the CW channel. I am pretty much in shock about those. All came in at about 65% with a set of rabbit ears that has had trouble picking up KMIZ in the past :)

My antenna must be really pointed poorly as far as the Columbia stations go, but I am so impressed that the St. Louis channels jacked up their signal so much that now I want to buy a bigger antenna to see if I can lock in their signals any stronger. St. Louis actually carries KPLR and the CW in HD!

So get this...I scan the channels with my indoor, amplified rabbit ears, and.....





still no KRCG :mad: I'm off of the Lake of the Woods Exit, so I shouldn't be THAT far from the tower. But here is the SHOCKER:


I get St. Louis channels!!! I get KPLR, as well as the Fox channel and the CW channel. I am pretty much in shock about those. All came in at about 65% with a set of rabbit ears that has had trouble picking up KMIZ in the past :)

My antenna must be really pointed poorly as far as the Columbia stations go, but I am so impressed that the St. Louis channels jacked up their signal so much that now I want to buy a bigger antenna to see if I can lock in their signals any stronger. St. Louis actually carries KPLR and the CW in HD!
Wow, that's interesting. I'm in the same area and have an outdoor amplified antenna. I routinely get 100% on KOMU, and in the 80-90s for KRCG. I wonder what I'll actually receive.

Since KOMU moved back to VHF 8 I can't get them anymore. I get signals around 55-60% on my signal meter, with 60 being necessary to get anything decent. Several drops into the 40's. When they were on UHF 36 I got them at 90 with the same setup, FM trap enabled, etc. I guess I have some adjusting to do...

Impressive. I get KMIZ HD all of the way over in Odessa, MO. I do not plan on getting Fox 22 all of the way out here, but at night, I just might a couple of times. 17's signal is still low, at about 30% usually.

Can't wait to go to the Lake of the Ozarks near Warsaw and see how well it comes in down there =)

Wow, that's interesting. I'm in the same area and have an outdoor amplified antenna. I routinely get 100% on KOMU, and in the 80-90s for KRCG. I wonder what I'll actually receive.

.....and now they're gone. A few clouds and they have disappeared.

Since KOMU moved back to VHF 8 I can't get them anymore. I get signals around 55-60% on my signal meter, with 60 being necessary to get anything decent. Several drops into the 40's. When they were on UHF 36 I got them at 90 with the same setup, FM trap enabled, etc. I guess I have some adjusting to do...

I am having the same problem. Before today, I used to get KOMU (8.1, 8.2, and 8.3) OTA at nearly 100% signal all the time. However, now, I get 8.1 at around 65%, and I can't get the Universal Sports channel and the CW (is that what 8.3 is?) at all. I was really looking forward to this digital switch, but so far, it sucks pretty bad. I really liked that Universal Sports channel (loved the cycling and track and field), and I am disappointed that I apparently won't be able to get it any more.

Dish Network better look like latching onto that new Fox 22 channel pretty quick too, and it better be in HD. I am not in the mood for any games on this one. I have a bad taste in my mouth now, and it better get done quickly.

I am having the same problem. Before today, I used to get KOMU (8.1, 8.2, and 8.3) OTA at nearly 100% signal all the time. However, now, I get 8.1 at around 65%, and I can't get the Universal Sports channel and the CW (is that what 8.3 is?) at all. I was really looking forward to this digital switch, but so far, it sucks pretty bad. I really liked that Universal Sports channel (loved the cycling and track and field), and I am disappointed that I apparently won't be able to get it any more.

Dish Network better look like latching onto that new Fox 22 channel pretty quick too, and it better be in HD. I am not in the mood for any games on this one. I have a bad taste in my mouth now, and it better get done quickly.

If you have a look at the Springfield MO group, you will see very similar results for KOLR when they moved from UHF 52 back to VHF 10. Everyone kind of assumed propagation on VHF would be better, reaching further even with lower power. That doesn't seem to be happening in the real world. I don't have any problems with KRCG VHF 12 except with the smallest amount of bad weather. Constant pixelation and audio dropouts. But KOMU is disappointing for sure. I figured full power VHF on 8 would cover at least the same area. I had no problem with analog 8 pre-transition. This morning I have them here at Lake of the Ozarks with 80%, but VHF is often better in the morning. KOLR is actually applying for a power increase to try and help. Many people put on FM traps and that cleared up a lot. I have all of that and still no-go. KOLR even moved to the top of a 2000 foot tower! Maybe KOMU isn't full power on digital 8 yet.

Oh, and here I get Fox 22 between 76-82% depending on time of day, and so on. Plenty to lock on the new signal, and the HD looks great. I do notice on some fast motion camera pans and such the picture gets a little stuttered.

Friday morning, after the digital transition, DirecTV had 22-1 in their guide data and I was able to pick it up OTA. That was pretty early in the morning, and I noticed that later in the day, 17-2 was showing up again with the old analog signal OTA.

So here it is on Sunday, and no Fox 22 on DirecTV - I wonder when they'll switch the guide data over to 22-1 from 17-2?

If you have a look at the Springfield MO group, you will see very similar results for KOLR when they moved from UHF 52 back to VHF 10. Everyone kind of assumed propagation on VHF would be better, reaching further even with lower power. That doesn't seem to be happening in the real world. I don't have any problems with KRCG VHF 12 except with the smallest amount of bad weather. Constant pixelation and audio dropouts. But KOMU is disappointing for sure. I figured full power VHF on 8 would cover at least the same area. I had no problem with analog 8 pre-transition. This morning I have them here at Lake of the Ozarks with 80%, but VHF is often better in the morning. KOLR is actually applying for a power increase to try and help. Many people put on FM traps and that cleared up a lot. I have all of that and still no-go. KOLR even moved to the top of a 2000 foot tower! Maybe KOMU isn't full power on digital 8 yet.

Oh, and here I get Fox 22 between 76-82% depending on time of day, and so on. Plenty to lock on the new signal, and the HD looks great. I do notice on some fast motion camera pans and such the picture gets a little stuttered.

I sent an email to KOMU Friday night complaining about 8.2 and 8.3 not coming in any more, and they stated that the problem was with my Dish Network receiver, not their signal. They said that some Dish receivers were apparently having trouble "finding" the new frequencies after the switch Friday. They suggested unplugging the Dish receiver for 5 minutes, and then searching for the locals again. Unfortunately, this did absolutely no good. So, to test, I ran my antenna straight to my tv (thus bypassing the Dish receiver), and boom...suddenly I had 8.2 and 8.3 again. So, I am guessing that the problem is with the Dish Receiver, and not with the signal. Perhaps the signal isn't strong enough for the Dish receiver to pick it up, but the TV can? I don't know, but I don't really have the time to sit on the phone with Dish trying to figure it out either.

Is it so much to ask that this stuff actually work?

I can barely pick up Fox 22 on my OTA antenna (signal strength under 60%), and so far it is not listed at all in the Dish Network program guide.

I can't pick up FOX 22 at all. I used to get KMIZ @ 65 strength on channel 22.

I have Dish Network on the EA dish and KQFX 38 is showing video but it is shrunk (squeezed on sides). Hopefully they will uplink FOX 22 this week.

Also, why haven't they turned off 17-2 yet?

Also, why haven't they turned off 17-2 yet?

I heard that 17.2 would be Fox for a few days, but not very long after the transition. Eventually 17.1 will be ABC, 17.2 will be weather, and 17.3 will be Myzou or CW or whatever it is called, I can't remember offhand.

I swung my antenna around to Springfield for the time being, and in Camden county I am receiving Springfield much better than Columbia. I hope to put up my 2nd UHF antenna for Columbia soon so I can have both.

Is 22-1 still working? DirecTV hasn't updated their programming yet. It's wierd though, I re-ran my OTA setup on my HR20 on Saturday and 17-4 disappeared and 22-1 was there... all as expected though the guide data wasn't updated. I had some other issues with my receiver so I rebooted it today and re-ran the OTA setup again and now it's only picking up the 17 series of channels... no 22-1 anymore. So I connected a pair of rabbit ears to my TV to see what I'd pick up and I can't find 22-1 there either. I can pick up all of the 6, 8, and 17 series of channels just fine. So are they still tweaking 22 or has it been taken down for some reason, or does anybody know?

Is 22-1 still working? DirecTV hasn't updated their programming yet. It's wierd though, I re-ran my OTA setup on my HR20 on Saturday and 17-4 disappeared and 22-1 was there... all as expected though the guide data wasn't updated. I had some other issues with my receiver so I rebooted it today and re-ran the OTA setup again and now it's only picking up the 17 series of channels... no 22-1 anymore. So I connected a pair of rabbit ears to my TV to see what I'd pick up and I can't find 22-1 there either. I can pick up all of the 6, 8, and 17 series of channels just fine. So are they still tweaking 22 or has it been taken down for some reason, or does anybody know?

22-1 is still on the air. I can watch it on my TV with the H20 receiver or OTA directly to my other TV's.

My HR20 receiver is not adding it to the guide. I believe that the problem with have to worked out with Tribune Media and DirecTV so there is a TV guide listing.

Impressive. I get KMIZ HD all of the way over in Odessa, MO. I do not plan on getting Fox 22 all of the way out here, but at night, I just might a couple of times. 17's signal is still low, at about 30% usually.

Can't wait to go to the Lake of the Ozarks near Warsaw and see how well it comes in down there =)

I'm south of Odessa off of HH, and I have a hard time with KMIZ, might I ask what antenna setup you have? (Of course, If you live on the hill in town, that would explain your reception)

I'm south of Odessa off of HH, and I have a hard time with KMIZ, might I ask what antenna setup you have? (Of course, If you live on the hill in town, that would explain your reception)

Hey! I live pretty close to you!

I'm on a side road of HH, and surprisingly it comes in on the back side of the antenna pointed towards KC at a very small amount, but usually breaks up. Once it is turned towards Columbia, KMIZ comes in great, along with KMOS. I get it at about 20-30% usually. Well, it's not exactly great, but it is good for my set-up. I am also slightly elevated, but nothing more than 30 higher than my surroundings.

Don't know if anyone else noticed this or not, but KQFX (Channel 38) is now listed as being in HD on Dish Network. I thought Channel 38 was going away, and being replaced by Channel 22? Everything else is still the same, but there is now a second "HD" listing in the program guide for KQFX Channel 38. 17.2 still works OTA, and I still get a very faint Channel 22 OTA. It all seems very odd to me. Since the early morning programming on KQFX is not recorded in HD, I can't tell whether or not channel 38 actually is in HD. I guess we will have to watch tonight when hopefully something will be in HD.

I thought it was exciting though that we FINALLY seem to have Fox in HD on Dish Network!

Good to see FOX in HD on Dish.:) It should still be moving to 22 at some point.

Still no listing for 22.1 on DirecTV. Channel 38 satellite feed still, and 17-1 through 17-4 still showing up for the OTAs. I called DTV and the customer service rep I talked to said they were aware and had a resolution date of 6/19. Didn't happen.

Still no listing for 22.1 on DirecTV. Channel 38 satellite feed still, and 17-1 through 17-4 still showing up for the OTAs. I called DTV and the customer service rep I talked to said they were aware and had a resolution date of 6/19. Didn't happen.

Interesting. I've still been waiting also. I added a note at DBSTalk.com saying it was missing and sent an email to zap2it.com (Tribune Media Services who provides DirecTV's guide data) but no luck there either yet. Hopefully they'll get 22 in HD via satellite, but I'd be satisfied with just adding 22.1 to the OTA list for now. It's especially odd that it worked for a few days (Friday, Saturday, and Sunday of the transition) but by Monday it disappeared from the list again. Since they've been planning this at least since February, I would think everything had been planned out. I wonder if there was a technical issue or just an oversight somewhere.

So what is happening? I have DirecTV. I'm now getting 22-1 OTA, but it's just a duplicate broadcast of 17. 17-1 is gone, 17-2 still comes up, showing Fox in SD. I'm also still getting 38 on the satellite. Does Fox HD really exist or not?

Interesting - are you getting 22-1 from an OTA tuner in your TV or on a DirecTV receiver?

My suspicion, based on what else has been written here, is that the issue is with Tribune Media Services or DirecTV. I had emailed Randy Wright earlier this week asking about it, and he indicated there was nothing the station could do, and that they couldn't make DTV carry the Fox 22 signal.

But given that DTV has been carrying the SD feed for some time, I don't see why they wouldn't carry ch. 22 instead of 38. They also shouldn't care whether 22-1 can be picked up OTA instead of 17-2. I also find it strange that 17-2 is still there. I would think KMIZ would want to free up that bandwidth.

I think there is a problem with the guide data from Tribune Media Services. But it doesn't make sense that 22-1 was there on the day of the transition for awhile.:confused:

An H20 actually allows you to scan for channels, unlike HR2x dvr's that use the Directv data base. I have 22-1 on my H20 from OTA. I have also scanned several for customers.

Is it possible to look at the zap2it website to see what is listed there? I use SageTV as my DVR and do all OTA, and Sage uses Zap2it for it's program guide information. Fox 22's guide data shows up like it is supposed to. I still have 17.1 to 17.4 the same as it was before the transition, so I get a lot of duplicate recordings for Fox that I am adjusting now.

An H20 actually allows you to scan for channels, unlike HR2x dvr's that use the Directv data base. I have 22-1 on my H20 from OTA. I have also scanned several for customers.

I scanned for OTA channels on my H20 and came up with 22-1 showing ABC programming. I haven't even tried it on my HR20 because its OTA reception is so mediocre anyhow. I can accept a delay from DirecTV to get it on their satellite; it's the OTA thing that is so confusing and frustrating.

Is it possible to look at the zap2it website to see what is listed there? I use SageTV as my DVR and do all OTA, and Sage uses Zap2it for it's program guide information. Fox 22's guide data shows up like it is supposed to. I still have 17.1 to 17.4 the same as it was before the transition, so I get a lot of duplicate recordings for Fox that I am adjusting now.

Yes, just go to zap2it.com, enter your zip code, and select local broadcast. I just checked there again, still no 22 of any sort... also still have the analog versions of the other channels listed that don't exist anymore. :) Since everyone had several extra months to plan this, I would think this would have all been setup to take effect last Friday morning... add the new stuff, delete the old ones, voila. Now we're over a week later and no changes. Hmm, aggravating. It was nice seeing Cops in HD though for the one program I recorded on 22.1 before it went away.

I am also anxiously awaiting DirecTV adding HD 22 to the locals. I have an HR21 so no OTA option for me.

Hopefully someone will get it right and completely replace the 38 transponder with the new HD 22 transponder.

Anyone heard anything new on this? It's sad to see that DISH already got it worked out but DirecTV has dropped the ball on this one. :mad:

Hello all,

Can anyone suggest a Brand and Model# for a good OTA HD Antenna. I live over near Scott Blvd/Chapel Hill. I would like to put the antenna in the attic. What will get the best reception without breaking the budget?

Thanks

To pick up everyone, do a pair af attic antennas. A VHF (http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/ya-1713.pdf) only aimed southeast, and a UHF (http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/1450464.pdf) only aimed south southwest. A combiner (http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~d~winegard-cs7750-vhf-uhf-band-separator--coupler--(cs7750)~p~cs-7750.htm) would put these together into a single coax.

To pick up everyone, do a pair af attic antennas. A VHF (http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/ya-1713.pdf) only aimed southeast, and a UHF (http://www.winegard.com/kbase/upload/1450464.pdf) only aimed south southwest. A combiner (http://www.winegarddirect.com/viewitem~d~winegard-cs7750-vhf-uhf-band-separator--coupler--(cs7750)~p~cs-7750.htm) would put these together into a single coax.

I use one of these:
UVSJ Combiner (http://www.solidsignal.com/prod_display.asp?PROD=UVSJ)

It is a UVSJ combiner, that has 1 input for VHF and 1 input for UHF. It works great and is pretty cheap.

Hello all,

Can anyone suggest a Brand and Model# for a good OTA HD Antenna. I live over near Scott Blvd/Chapel Hill. I would like to put the antenna in the attic. What will get the best reception without breaking the budget?

Thanks

I live near the Scott Blvd/Grant Lane area and have installed a Radio Shack VU-90 XR antenna in my attic. It is a UHF/VHF antenna. I bought it a couple of years ago for about $75. (the best I can remember)

I pointed it toward KRCG, since it has the weakest signal and I get a 70 to 80 percent signal on all the channels.

KMIZ changed 17-2 to ST24/7 today and removed KQFX. Does anyone notice any PQ change on KMIZ? I think it looks a little better or maybe not???

I am also anxiously awaiting DirecTV adding HD 22 to the locals. I have an HR21 so no OTA option for me.

Hopefully someone will get it right and completely replace the 38 transponder with the new HD 22 transponder.

Anyone heard anything new on this? It's sad to see that DISH already got it worked out but DirecTV has dropped the ball on this one. :mad:

I just got this response back from zap2it. Hopefully they will have things updated in the next couple of days.

Thank you for the updated information in your email below. We have forwarded your email to our database team who will work to resolve this issue in a timely manner.

Thank you for being a user of Zap2it TV Listings -- we will continue to work hard to provide the most up to date listings for you.

Best Regards,

The Zap2it Team

I just got this response back from zap2it. Hopefully they will have things updated in the next couple of days.

Thank you for the updated information in your email below. We have forwarded your email to our database team who will work to resolve this issue in a timely manner.

Thank you for being a user of Zap2it TV Listings -- we will continue to work hard to provide the most up to date listings for you.

Best Regards,

The Zap2it Team

Well at least you got through to somebody. I sent my email to them Thursday afternoon and haven't heard a peep since then. As long as it gets fixed, I'll be happy... hopefully sooner than later.
Thanks!

Well at least you got through to somebody. I sent my email to them Thursday afternoon and haven't heard a peep since then. As long as it gets fixed, I'll be happy... hopefully sooner than later.
Thanks!

They were not very fast in their response. I sent my first e-mail to them on the 14th and I did not hear back from them until the 17th. I replied to that e-mail the same day and finally got a response back yesterday.

We will just have to wait and see how long it takes them to fix it.

Well I noticed zap2it has removed the analog channels finally... still no luck with 22.1 or moving 17.4 to 17.2.

I just called Tribune Media Services directly to see if I could make any headway there. They said they made the change for KQFX to 22.1 on 6/23 (probably after dwrats' email I would guess) but it didn't get added to whatever database they send to DirecTV (and obviously not to zap2it either). They had no information on 17.4 switching to 17.2 so she said they would do some more checking on that and get back with me. I think the KQFX change might happen in a few days, but I've seen responses on dbstalk that it can happen as quickly as the next morning after speaking to an actual person. Keeping my fingers crossed... :)

OKAY, I just got off the phone with DirecTV about these local channel changes, and boy am I frustrated...

I called Boone Electric Satellite and was directed to call DirecTV. After talking with a CSR, a Technical Support Person and supervisor, we are no closer to getting 22.1 OTA on the HR20 receiver. All the supervisor would say is that we cannot guarantee that you will be able to receive all of the OTA signals. Even though I can get it on my H20 and on the TV tuner on the TV that is connect to the HR20.

Surely there has to be someone at DirecTV that understands how this stuff works!!!!!

What I'm still holding out for is that Directv will pick up the HD version of KQFX over the satellite. I'm not in a spot where I'm able to put up an antenna for OTA. Has anyone heard anything on that front?

Thanks to GlennDio on DBSTalk, he pointed me in the right direction.

I used South Bend-Elkhart IN 46601, as my secondary local channel and edited my over the air list to add channel 22.1 to my HR20. Removing all of the other channels from that zip code.

The guide data is wrong, so if you have 38 on your channel list you just need to know to look at it to find out what is on. Not the CBS station out of South Bend-Elkhart IN.

I just moved to Columbia, MO and was forced to get Charter Communications which does not have HD service. :( Any idea if/when they will for the area? Also, no satellite dishes allowed at my apt. and Mediacom does not service my complex. This really stinks!

Thanks to GlennDio on DBSTalk, he pointed me in the right direction.

I used South Bend-Elkhart IN 46601, as my secondary local channel and edited my over the air list to add channel 22.1 to my HR20. Removing all of the other channels from that zip code.

The guide data is wrong, so if you have 38 on your channel list you just need to know to look at it to find out what is on. Not the CBS station out of South Bend-Elkhart IN.

I was going to recommend this also, as I set it up a couple of days ago. It doesn't make a big difference, but I used 80521, which is a Denver area Fox affiliate. It doesn't match up exactly, but some of the national programming is the same. Other programs are different just based on the timezone.

I also asked Randy Wright if there were plans to add Fox22 in HD on DirecTV, in addition to fixing the guide data. He said there were some issues they were trying to work out and one his engineers would be contacting me. I'm still waiting to hear from them. Also no updates yet from Tribune either... sigh. I would guess everything is done for the weekend now, maybe next week.... or the week after......

Thanks for posting that channel information - now I don't have to worry about missing Cards games or the All Star game in HD. I don't really care about the guide info, since it's still available from 38.

This still is a major drag for those of us with DirecTV and an HR21 DVR.....no OTA option, so we are stuck with no FOX HD on DirecTV....

I just can't figure out why this is so difficult for them to get corrected..... Replace the FOX 38 transponder with the new HD 22 Feed....done deal....:confused:

Lord knows the technical response time at anything related to KMIZ/KQFX is spotty at best, but damn!

Do we know if this a local issue or a DirecTV issue??

Do we know if this a local issue or a DirecTV issue??

It's got to be a DirecTV issue. They still don't carry KZOU either, do they?

It's got to be a DirecTV issue. They still don't carry KZOU either, do they?

I would say it is more of a local issue. Randy Wright and company should have notified Tribune Media of the switch of channel 38 to 22.1 and they should have worked out the transition with DirecTV ahead of time.

I doubt that DirecTV would carry KZOU since it is a sub-channel of KMIZ and DirecTV typically doesn't carry sub-channels.

I am surprised that the are carrying the CW, which is a sub-channel of KOMU. But, KOMU and DirecTV worked out the contract.

From what Randy told me, DirecTV is under contract to carry KZOU. They have been for quite some time.

From what Randy told me, DirecTV is under contract to carry KZOU. They have been for quite some time.

I seem to recall that a while back too. I think I remember it, on KMIZ's end, being an "all or nothing" deal with DirecTV, and was mentioned as a potential issue when contract renegotiation comes up again since it was agreed to but not happening.

Does anyone know when KMIZ will go up to 1000kW, or have they already? Even though it doesn't look like it will improve coverage greatly, it still is a pretty big increase, and I'd like to know when they'll do this.

http://www.fcc.gov/ftp/Bureaus/MB/Databases/fm_tv_service_areas/maps/DT1250909.jpg

That's pretty awesome!

If I recall correctly, I heard that it won't happen this year. I haven't heard a date any more specific than that.

- Trip

I just called Tribune again to see what the status was. The lady I spoke with remembered who I was and what changes I had brought up, which was a good sign. She checked with her staff and called me back, saying that they received confirmation of the changes from the station yesterday. She said it then takes 48-72 hours to work through the system, allowing DirecTV to process the new data and such. Hopefully in a couple of days we'll finally see the changes reflected in the guide.

I just noticed today that the guide data for KQFX HD on Dish Network is showing data for Stormtrack 24/7.:confused:

I just checked ZAP2IT for the local OTA channels, and KQFX is still showing up as channel 2 and 38. KZOULP is on channel 11, which I had not noticed before today. Stormtrack17 24/7 is on 17.2 and 17.4.

They may get it figured out eventually.

I have not scanned for analog channels, can anybody get KZOULP OTA?????

Channel 38 on DTV is now the digital feed of Fox 22. 22.1 still not showing up in the channel guide.

Channel 38 on DTV is now the digital feed of Fox 22. 22.1 still not showing up in the channel guide.


If you look up local channels on directv.com now it lists KQFX as HD.

I was getting all the channels in with an OTA Antenna and then today I noticed all of my channel 17 channels dropped out. Can't figure out why. I havent changed anything and the sky is clear. Does any one have any ideas?

I was getting all the channels in with an OTA Antenna and then today I noticed all of my channel 17 channels dropped out. Can't figure out why. I havent changed anything and the sky is clear. Does any one have any ideas?

Check the KMIZ website.

For DirecTV subscribers, if you re-run OTA setup on your HR20, 22-1 is FINALLY on the OTA list with the correct guide data. If you added a secondary local like I did, you'll have to reset all the OTA settings first to clear everything out, then go back to initial setup. Also, as Tom25 mentioned, it looks like 38 is HD now. The icon for the channel has also changed from "FOX" to "FOXHD".

I just moved to Columbia, MO and was forced to get Charter Communications which does not have HD service. :( Any idea if/when they will for the area? Also, no satellite dishes allowed at my apt. and Mediacom does not service my complex. This really stinks!

I'm checking with the local plant manager on this for you.

George

About the KMIZ power increase. I emailed Rick Hartford Chief Engineer, and he seemed to think they were going to do it in the next year or two... then Randy Wright sent me an email that was a bit more pessimistic. I don't know if the bad economy is giving him cold feet or what. I have checked KMIZ on my setup every night since transition, and in 5 weeks, there has been only 6 nights where I get no signal from them... every other night, the signal comes in around 7-8 PM, and stays at least till midnight, and usually the next morning as well.. cutting out between 10 and 11 AM. I em,ailed them back and told them that there is a big difference between 125 KW theyr'e broadcasting now, and 1,000 KW. I told them if they didn't feel like going that far, at LEAST a compromise of 300KW or something would be of alot of help to those out here on the fringe of the signal. I would think they could at LEAST match what KMOS puts out. Below was his email to me:

"while we will be increasing the power output of our KMIZ-DT signal it will not be to one million watts because that will entail a substantial buildout at considerable cost. We have three years to figure out if that’s the road we want to go down and we’ll see how the signal performs following the power increase to roughly 120,000 watts."

Is it me doing something totally wrong, or is Fox38 still broadcasting an analog signal on 38? I get that OTA, but I can't find 22 at all. I rescan on OTA every few days to see if something changes. DTV is carrying the Fox HD feed for me, though.

Is it me doing something totally wrong, or is Fox38 still broadcasting an analog signal on 38? I get that OTA, but I can't find 22 at all. I rescan on OTA every few days to see if something changes. DTV is carrying the Fox HD feed for me, though.

Brainded, what are you scanning with? What DTV receiver or DVR do you have? I have the HR22 and 22-1 showed up automatically for me once the guide data was corrected by DTV.

I saw over in the Springfield group and saw on Trip's site that KOMU was applying for a power increase, some 4000 watts I believe. I lost them totally in Camden county and had to switch to Springfield, so maybe the extra power will help.

whats up with mediacom's HD channels that were over regular cable?

I'm new to the forum and new to HDTV, so please forgive a basic question:

Are all the local channels (at least the big network affiliates) available in HD through the "local channels" package with Direct TV? I'm confused about Fox (KQFX). Some seem to be getting it in HD through Direct TV, but I'm not sure if you all are getting it OTA with an antenna or from the Sat. I'm going to have the HD-DVR receiver (HR-22). In the listings guide on Directv.com, KQFX is listed as HD but none of the programs are marked in the guide as being HD.

Thanks for any light you can shine here.

I'm new to the forum and new to HDTV, so please forgive a basic question:

Are all the local channels (at least the big network affiliates) available in HD through the "local channels" package with Direct TV? I'm confused about Fox (KQFX). Some seem to be getting it in HD through Direct TV, but I'm not sure if you all are getting it OTA with an antenna or from the Sat. I'm going to have the HD-DVR receiver (HR-22). In the listings guide on Directv.com, KQFX is listed as HD but none of the programs are marked in the guide as being HD.

Thanks for any light you can shine here.

PhDummy, DTV is broadcasting KQFX on channel 38 in HD (at least during Fox's national programming). 22-1 is also available digitally if you have the HR20 DVR or another receiver with a local tuner.

Hope this helps.

I'm new to the forum and new to HDTV, so please forgive a basic question:

Are all the local channels (at least the big network affiliates) available in HD through the "local channels" package with Direct TV? I'm confused about Fox (KQFX). Some seem to be getting it in HD through Direct TV, but I'm not sure if you all are getting it OTA with an antenna or from the Sat. I'm going to have the HD-DVR receiver (HR-22). In the listings guide on Directv.com, KQFX is listed as HD but none of the programs are marked in the guide as being HD.

Thanks for any light you can shine here.

Just a FYI, if you are a BIG Cardinal fan and want to watch the Sunday games that are frequently on 17.3, you will need an OTA source.

whats up with mediacom's HD channels that were over regular cable?

I'm guessing that you are talking about the QAM channels. I just checked my TV and they have moved to different channel numbers.

These are what I found. Yours should be somewhere close to these.

KMOS 89-1, KMIZ 89-2, KRCG 90-1, KOMU 90-2, KNLJ 71-1, KQFX 22-2.

It would be nice if they were all grouped together.:rolleyes:

Hi, I'm a first time poster here, but I've used AVS Forum quite a bit for getting info about OTA signals just by reading posts. So here's my question. Many of the Fox programs I watch come in with noticeably choppy video. It only happens on Fox 22, no other channels. I get a strength of 78 and the SNR about the same, 77-78. I don't think the strength is the issue b/c even when it's been lower (40's with a different antenna) I still noticed the choppiness. Also, usually the actual program is choppy and then when it goes to commericials, those come in perfectly smooth and it goes back to being choppy when the program returns from the commercials. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just something with my setup? Also, I have another tv with a dish network receiver on it with HD locals and I do not notice the choppiness from that signal. So it appears to just be with my OTA signal. Any suggestions or ideas would be extremely helpful! Thanks!

Hi, I'm a first time poster here, but I've used AVS Forum quite a bit for getting info about OTA signals just by reading posts. So here's my question. Many of the Fox programs I watch come in with noticeably choppy video. It only happens on Fox 22, no other channels. I get a strength of 78 and the SNR about the same, 77-78. I don't think the strength is the issue b/c even when it's been lower (40's with a different antenna) I still noticed the choppiness. Also, usually the actual program is choppy and then when it goes to commericials, those come in perfectly smooth and it goes back to being choppy when the program returns from the commercials. Has anyone else noticed this or is it just something with my setup? Also, I have another tv with a dish network receiver on it with HD locals and I do not notice the choppiness from that signal. So it appears to just be with my OTA signal. Any suggestions or ideas would be extremely helpful! Thanks!

I have noticed the same thing on Fox 22. The picture quality is not nearly as good as the other stations I receive, particularly on HD. Maybe it is their Fox HD feed or whatever they are running it through to broadcast OTA. The commercials look OK if they are SD commercials. I see a lot of frames get slow or "bog down" like I was watching HD on an underpowered computer or something. I also notice a very strange crosshatch type of pattern in the transitions. I sent them a screen shot of the weird crosshatch thing when they first started broadcasting HD OTA on 22 because it was very annoying but I didn't hear back. I switched to Fox in Springfield and it looks great, as do all of my other HD stations OTA from Springfield and Columbia (at least KMIZ 17). It is very easy to blame the equipment on my end but I feel pretty confident my setup is OK, particularly since the other stations are great.
Scott

Thanks Scott. You described it perfectly when you said it looks as if you're watching something online on an underpowered computer. It's weird though, because I don't notice it on some programs and then I notice it on the next. Commercials always look really good on HD for me, but it's the actual programs that look choppy. Thanks for your response. Hopefully some other people have some ideas on what the problem might be! Thanks again!

Ryan

Are the DirecTV folks getting KMOS in HD now?

Are the DirecTV folks getting KMOS in HD now?

yes, it is channel 6-2

If I recall correctly, I heard that it won't happen this year. I haven't heard a date any more specific than that.

- Trip

I was checking out your website (excellent by the way!) for KOMU information. I know you posted about them going from 13kw to 17kw or so and I saw that information using the FCC links on your site. But I couldn't figure out how to tell if they ever increased their power. Is there a way to tell? I might try climbing back up on the roof to get KOMU again if they have increased power. I lose Springfield channels quite often in the evenings for some reason whereas I didn't with Columbia stations. The only bummer is Fox22's picture quality in HD is really not good as compared to other HD pictures.

Glad you enjoy it. :)

Given that it's still an application, the FCC has yet to approve it, so they can't have increased power yet.

- Trip

WAY TO GO KMIZ.

Standard Def?????

They fixed it.

I'm also a first time poster and we live just north of Columbia. We cannot get FOX, KRCG, and KNLJ. For awhile we got KNLJ, but not now. We got KRCG once or twice. Now on KRCG and KNLJ, we did not get the message NO SIGNAL. So, it was there supposedly.

Now on to the real reason I'm posting. We cannot pick up FOX. We used the software to search for stations and it did not come up. Can't figure that one out since it's local and we do get ABC - all three of their channels.

AND we get KMOS quite well, all three channels, shock of all shock.

Any ideas? Any similar experiences? WE do not want to go to an outside antenna. Any suggestions welcome.

Desert

I'm also a first time poster and we live just north of Columbia. We cannot get FOX, KRCG, and KNLJ. For awhile we got KNLJ, but not now. We got KRCG once or twice. Now on KRCG and KNLJ, we did not get the message NO SIGNAL. So, it was there supposedly.

Now on to the real reason I'm posting. We cannot pick up FOX. We used the software to search for stations and it did not come up. Can't figure that one out since it's local and we do get ABC - all three of their channels.

AND we get KMOS quite well, all three channels, shock of all shock.

Any ideas? Any similar experiences? WE do not want to go to an outside antenna. Any suggestions welcome.

Desert

What kind of antenna do you have now?

Fox used to be a subchannel of the ABC 17 station, which is decent power and antenna height. Now, Fox has it's own channel 22, which is lower power than ABC 17. Look for channel 22.

KRCG is VHF channel 12 north of Jeff City, so depending on your location it might be a little east of the other channels if I am not mistaken.

Scott

I doubt that you will have an acceptable reception of either KOMU, KRCG, or the channel 22 low power Fox affiliate with a set top antenna. Do you have room in the attic for a normal antenna?

Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks. :)

Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks. :)

"just north of Columbia" leaves a lot to the imagination. Go to www.tvfool.com and use the signal locator tool to get a forecast. Copy the link to that forecast back here.

Your antenna is a simple VHF dipole/loop (variant) with a strong pre-amp that is probably junk. In the event that KRCG's signal is atcually getting into your house, it is probably getting wiped out in the cheap amplifier due to the 2nd harmonic of KBXR that is only a few miles away from you.

If FOX is on channel 17, it's only licensed for about 11.8 kW from a transmitter site about 20 miles southwest of Columbia. On UHF, that's going to require a better antenna, probably an outside unit.

Also, keep in mind the arc from which the signals come. That will suggest a either a multi-directional antenna outdoors or in the attic or the constant re-adjustment of an indoor antenna.

Sorry to take so long to post again, guys. Too much going on. So far as the stations we can get: it's KOMU (all three), KMOS (all three - don't understand that one at all), KMIZ (all three channels), KNLJ, once or twice KRCG, but still no Fox. We did at least detect Channel 12, KRCG, but no signal most of the time.

As to what kind of antenna we have, it's a Magnavox MANT300 with VHF/FM/UHF with Gain Control. It's not even an HD antenna.

GAIN: VHF/FM 22Db UHF 20dB
OUTPUT: 25 OHMS

We have a new HD ??? one that we got for $14.95 plus tax at Best Buy, but since this is the old antenna and is working, we haven't put up the new one yet.

So, we're trying to figure this out. Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Thanks. :)

A "FM Trap" might help you weed out any FM radio station problems if you put it before your antenna. I don't think that would be possible for you if the antenna you are using is an all in one thing with a poor preamp. Putting the FM Trap after your antenna already amplifies the signal won't help either.

FOX is on UHF channel 22 full time now, but broadcasting on low power. It does not get out as well as the others that are much higher power. An outside antenna might be required for that one, or maybe something in the attic with a small preamp that has the FM trap.

Scott

Just remember -- all those who are advocating attic locations -- in most attics the true signal strength is cut by at least 40% or more. I know it is far easier -- but I hope you have a strong signal to start with! -- good luck all---------

DirecTV added MyZOU channel 17.3 as SD channel 18 this morning.

The only real benefit I see would be for those people that do not have a receiver with a built in OTA capability. Now you will be able to watch the Sunday Cardinal games.

anyone know why mediacom hasn't been showing the blues games?

Mediacom and Dish Network are haggling with FS Midwest. The network wants to charge the providers more since they have more Blues games this season. Those two providers don't want to pay so far. DirecTV, Charter, and AT&T already agreed to it.

Mediacom and Dish Network are haggling with FS Midwest. The network wants to charge the providers more since they have more Blues games this season. Those two providers don't want to pay so far. DirecTV, Charter, and AT&T already agreed to it.

As a consumer, this really annoys me. You make decisions on which provider to use based on their channel lineup. The channel lineup says FSMW which CARRY's the frickin game. I don't see how/why it should be possible to do these essential bait and switch tactics. They did this years ago with the Cards too.

As a consumer, this really annoys me. You make decisions on which provider to use based on their channel lineup. The channel lineup says FSMW which CARRY's the frickin game. I don't see how/why it should be possible to do these essential bait and switch tactics. They did this years ago with the Cards too.

That is when I switched to DirecTV and have not looked back. (when I changed the DirecTV picture quality was WAY better than Mediacom.)

DirecTV has more sports channels and WAY more HD channels.

If I was looking now, I might think about CenturyLink, but they are just a retransmission of Dish Network. And, from what I have seen, CenturyLink is just a scaled down version of Dish Network.

I will wait until D12 is launched in the next couple of months, and wait until my 2 year commitment is over before I think about making any changes.

Just to clarify, I am under the impression that FSN is not feeding the games to the providers that they are in dispute with. Its not that the providers are refusing to show the games...


I think, anyway. :rolleyes:

Just to clarify, I am under the impression that FSN is not feeding the games to the providers that they are in dispute with. Its not that the providers are refusing to show the games...


I think, anyway. :rolleyes:

You are correct.

From my understanding, the dispute is that FSN wants to charge more because they are airing more blues games this year. Since some providers don't want to pay more, the network is holding back.

So both sides blame the other. One won't pay, the other is charging more. Either way it's crud in my book.

I understand both sides. If I liked hockey, I would be more concerned about the situation.

Looks like once again, we get to listen to

#24 Oklahoma (5-3) at #44 Nebraska (5-3) 8 p.m. ABC Regional

and watch

#61 Connecticut (4-4) at #5 Cincinnati (8-0) 8 p.m. ABC Regional

A very nice but, confusing feature.

OOPS, they fixed it. A Big 12 regional game is not available a Big 12 market. GOOD GOING ABC.

We get UCONN/Cincinnati????

The programming switched again to OU/NU audio with UCONN/Cincinnati video and then, a couple of minutes later the video feed switched to OU/NU.

A similar problem happened last week, why is this so hard to get right???

Does anyone else still think the PQ of KMIZ sucks?

Does anyone else still think the PQ of KMIZ sucks?

The HD quality seems fine from DirecTV and OTA.

Who is your provider?

The HD quality seems fine from DirecTV and OTA.

Who is your provider?

I have Dish Network and Mediacom. I just think that compared to the other local channels, the picture is soft and not as defined as the others.

I have the same problem with KMIZ. The color is dull and the picture is not sharp at all. It basically looks like widescreen SD. I have mediacom, but also have gotten the same results ota.

I have the same problem with KMIZ. The color is dull and the picture is not sharp at all. It basically looks like widescreen SD. I have mediacom, but also have gotten the same results ota.

I know. I just e-mailed Rick Hartford at KMIZ and he said there is nothing wrong. My eyes aren't lying to me.

I know. I just e-mailed Rick Hartford at KMIZ and he said there is nothing wrong. My eyes aren't lying to me.


KOMU and KRCG are broadcast in 1080i, and KMIZ and KQFX are broadcast 720p.

In my comparison of the channels, as far as PQ goes, I cannot tell the difference. I did a quick comparison with my DirecTV signal and my OTA signals. To me they both were sharp and had a lot of detail. But, I did notice that the picture on KRCG did look brighter than KMIZ when I just did a comparison. The only explanation for me at this time is just the way the shows were recorded.

I know the difference between 720p and 1080i. 1080i is much better in my opinion. That's not the problem. I can watch a 720p college football game on KMIZ and then watch the highlights later on ESPN and it isn't even close. And its not even just cable vs. local. The quality of 720p shows on KQFX (House for example) is much better than 720p shows on KMIZ (Lost for example).

I know the difference between 720p and 1080i. 1080i is much better in my opinion. That's not the problem. I can watch a 720p college football game on KMIZ and then watch the highlights later on ESPN and it isn't even close. And its not even just cable vs. local. The quality of 720p shows on KQFX (House for example) is much better than 720p shows on KMIZ (Lost for example).

Same here. I saw some commercial previews for ABC's V on ESPN. They looked so much better than the actual episode on KMIZ.:confused:

I read an article online dated 10/24/09 quoting someone from KRCG about applying for a power increase. I checked on Trip's website and I see nothing about KRCG asking for more power. I wonder if they were just blowing smoke for the newspaper.

These stations love operating low power on VHF. It must save a killing on their electric bills. Thanks for abandoning the over the air viewers. 80% of viewers in Columbia/Jeff City get their stations via subscription service according to the article, so I suppose they don't really care about the few thousand that can't see them anymore. The money they save on electricity is better than those people.

http://m.columbiatribune.com/news/2009/oct/24/mixed-signals/

In that article, Jon Van Ness was quoted:

“KRCG has put in a request to up its power, but that’s not going to be the end-all fix,”

But either he is a liar, or they haven't put in the paperwork, or it is in the mail, whatever.

Van Ness comes across as kind of a jerk in my opinion. He totally dismisses the VHF problems and blames user error, antennas, store salespeople, etc.

I did a lot of research and did everything right. I have a good antenna, amp, feedline, etc. I get 90-92% on KRCG but then some interference kicks in and wipes them out completely, and I am less than 60 miles away.

VHF is bad for digital, period. Grow up KRCG. Stop thinking about all the money you are saving, and think of your viewers.

I wonder how much KRCG is going to increase power by?

I don't think KOMU's power increase will help at the amount they asked for! But I hope it helps you out!

KOMU should have stayed on UHF Channel 36 at 1000 kW ERP! And Raised there HAAT to old channel 8's!

I'm too far away to get Columbia Jefferson City MO Locals!

But I can get KAIT VHF Channel 8 from Jonesboro AR. Its at 28.2 kW but it still screws up!!!! I'm 55 Miles from KAIT!

KAIT 8 was ever worse before the digital transition. It was channel 9 at 18 kW. Then June 12, 21.7 kW. And Currently 28.2 kW!

Certain Vechicles going down the street turn it into a pixilated mess!!!

Electrical interference, FM interference are also big problems with VHF!

Seriously these are problems VHF Viewers Face!!!!!!!!

KOLR 10 should have moved from channel 52 to a new UHF Channel once the FCC auctioned of channels 52-69!!!! And kept 1000 kW ERP and raised HAAT to 631 M!

Somebody likes exclamation points!!!!!!

Anybody else with DirecTV seeing a problem with Channel 8 on the satellite feed?

Starting about a week ago, choppy video, pauses, etc. Almost unwatchable at times. All the other locals over DTV are fine, and my OTA signals for 8 are fine.

Could be a dish alignment problem, but I'm not having issues with any other channels.

Anybody else seeing a problem?

Not seeing the issue with DirecTV, but I have heard issues in Dish keeping lipsync in line.

FYI Dish owners, if the sound doesn't match the lips, unplug the receiver from the wall for 2-3 minutes, and plug it back in.

Anybody else with DirecTV seeing a problem with Channel 8 on the satellite feed?

Starting about a week ago, choppy video, pauses, etc. Almost unwatchable at times. All the other locals over DTV are fine, and my OTA signals for 8 are fine.

Could be a dish alignment problem, but I'm not having issues with any other channels.

Anybody else seeing a problem?

Hi Tom25, on my HR20 receiver, I am seeing a lot of pausing of the video on D* on channel 8. I do not see the same from my OTA signal.

I have not checked my HR21 to see if it has the same behavior. Too many other family members and just one of me. I will check it out tomorrow.

Thanks, DWRats_56 - I appreciate the response. Good to know it's not just me. I haven't checked my other receivers either (like you, it's happening on my HR20).

Someone I work with is seeing the problem too. Hopefully KOMU and DTV are aware and working on it....

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I was wondering if anyone in CoMo had tried the CenturyLink Advanced TV? We were thinking about switching from Dish Network to the CenturyLink. I have several questions about it, so if anyone out there has it, I would like to pick your brain for awhile!

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HI Folks, My daughter is moving just outside Columbia and will have Charter cable. Is there a link or can someone give me the lowdown, on FSMidwest availability, types of cable boxes (do they have Moxi boxes here?), # of HD channels? Thanks.
Wayne

So a while back, I myself contacted KMIZ's engineering staff to ask them about their plans for a power increase. The response I basically got back is that they have two years left to maximize their power to 1000kW if they want, but they have no plans to--they were satisfied with their current coverage at 124kW.

KMIZ would be exciting to have at 1000kW, but for the signal to go what looks like only 10 miles further, is an 8 times increase in the power bill worth it?

anyone know if mediacom will do any more HD via QAM so you don't need a box to get them?

I don't know about HD, but I just did a scan and their are a lot of digital SD channels now that used to require a cable box.

I have a feeling that these might go away after the finish updating their channel lineup.

Anyone have any experience with Mediacom and cablecard?

I'm wondering if the new moxi boxes work well with it.

I use a Mediacom cable card in a tivohd. I haven't had any problems with it. It does everything except for on demand video.

Is it a multistream card where you can record and watch multiple things?

I've been contemplating putting together my own dvr(already have built one, but no digital cable card capability...yet) but the moxi boxes seem to have just about everything I needed and they don't charge a yearly service fee. Their new stuff can do 3 channels at once, was trying to find out if mediacom supports that feature.
http://moxi.com/us/moxi_dvr.html

It is a multistream card. The TiVo only supports two streams, so I know the multistream card will handle that. Not sure about three.

I've complained about the quality of KMIZ's HD signal a lot. Ive got to say, the picture quality of the Mizzou game is really good tonight.

I've complained about the quality of KMIZ's HD signal a lot. Ive got to say, the picture quality of the Mizzou game is really good tonight.

Yeah, I've complained too. I watched the replay of the 7pm game on ABC on ESPNU HD and it looked to be of similar quality.:eek:

I have a stupid question.

How is it legal for a company like Mediacom/Dish/DirectTV to advertise that they carry a channel but then not carry the full channel's offerings?

I know there's a lot of 'crud' about different packages sold to those companies, but consumers base their decisions on the advertised channels under the assumption of a full package deal.

What Channel are you talking about?

talking about FoxSportsMidwest.

anyone know how long mediacom and komu are going to hose their 'customers'?

I don't know, but if it goes to Saturday and we can't see the playoff games on Mediacom, it might be enough to finally push me to satellite.

Does anyone know if KQFX (local Fox) comes in over Mediacom ClearQAM?

21.1 is fox
other local channels
89.x
90.x

listed earlier in this forum I believe

I was wondering if they had changed from what was posted earlier.

I get the other clearQAM channels but not Fox. I guess there's a filter on my (internet-only) line blocking 21.1

if you just get the internet, they charge you a $15 surcharge...broadcast basic is $24.95....

Wow. Biggest game of the year and 13 is having major issues. :mad:

This looks like a sun transit fade.....

It sucks that we only get the Big 12 Tournament in SD, when it is actually shot in HD.:(

What Channel in Columbia is carring it?

What Channel in Columbia is carring it?

My ZOU 17.3

has anybody noticed that channel 17 and 22 don't have to go SD for weather graphics and recorded HD shows?

Yeah they updated the station a few weeks ago. BTW, they will start doing HD news this fall.

Cool. If Fox 22 could get rid of that strange crosshatch pattern that happens during video transitions, it would be great. The picture quality difference between Fox 22 and Fox 27 in Springfield is huge. Springfield looks much more crisp.

Cool. If Fox 22 could get rid of that strange crosshatch pattern that happens during video transitions, it would be great. The picture quality difference between Fox 22 and Fox 27 in Springfield is huge. Springfield looks much more crisp.
scottmo2020: Are you talking about network content or syndicated content being more crisp? I would think that both FOX stations would be broadcasting at 720p and that network content should look identical. Thoughts?

scottmo2020: Are you talking about network content or syndicated content being more crisp? I would think that both FOX stations would be broadcasting at 720p and that network content should look identical. Thoughts?

The network content is more crisp than syndicated, which is to be expected. However, on both types of content on Fox22 there are very subtle flashes of this strange pattern. Honestly it has been a month or so since I have checked, so perhaps it is fixed. Even though my tuner shows 720p for both Columbia and Springfield, the Springfield affiliate always looks richer to me.

I just wish that they would upgrade KQFX FOX 22's power. They should put it at least close to KMIZ's.

The Fox network is watched more than ABC anyways, and if they had it full power, they could put a sub-channel on 22. For example, they could have KZOU on channel 22.2 (and even remap it with PSIP to 17.3 if the wanted) so they could have better picture quality on 17.1. They could even try KZOU as HD, although that would ruin Fox's picture quality a bit. I wouldn't complain though.

I just wish that they would upgrade KQFX FOX 22's power. They should put it at least close to KMIZ's.

The Fox network is watched more than ABC anyways, and if they had it full power, they could put a sub-channel on 22. For example, they could have KZOU on channel 22.2 (and even remap it with PSIP to 17.3 if the wanted) so they could have better picture quality on 17.1. They could even try KZOU as HD, although that would ruin Fox's picture quality a bit. I wouldn't complain though.

They don't really need more power to add sub channels. Regardless of transmit power, stations have the same amount of bandwidth to use as they see fit. Higher transmit power would help in the fringe areas like Lake of the ozarks, and fill in gaps such as low lying areas, etc. Back in 2009, they were planning on moving KZOU to 22 but I guess that never happened. At least they don't do like KSPR in Springfield and run two HD channels in the same bandwidth. Both of those channels look like absolute garbage.

METV or Antenna TV or My Family Net or Estrella TV or The Cool TV or The Country Network or so on that Columbia/Jefferson City doesn't have.

They don't really need more power to add sub channels. Regardless of transmit power, stations have the same amount of bandwidth to use as they see fit. Higher transmit power would help in the fringe areas like Lake of the ozarks, and fill in gaps such as low lying areas, etc.

Sorry, I didn't make myself clear. I know they could add the subchannel now at the lower power and move KZOU from 17.3 to 22.2, but I don't think they'd want to; they'd lose OTA viewers (like those at the lake) on KZOU if they moved it to the much weaker 22.

If 22 had near the same power level as 17, then they wouldn't lose viewers on KZOU if it moved to 22.2. Sorry, that's still not clear, but someone might catch my drift.

Basically, I just hope they one day increase 22's power.

After all, they're saving a lot of money by keeping KMIZ at 120kW, instead of its original plan for 1000kW (that would have been awesome). And then, Fox 22's at only 11.8 kW...

After all, they're saving a lot of money by keeping KMIZ at 120kW, instead of its original plan for 1000kW (that would have been awesome). And then, Fox 22's at only 11.8 kW...

Ah, now I'm getting it! I'm at the Lake, and KMIZ comes in great, around 85% on average. Fox 22 I get in the 50's and it breaks up too bad to watch. If I adjust my antenna just right, I can get Fox 22 in the low 70's pretty solid without many breakups. But when I do that, I'm aiming too far north east for KRCG. Out of all the channels, KRCG is the worst by far, being on VHF and barely running any power. I don't know how well KRCG works for people in Columbia/Jeff, but it is obvious they don't care at all about their OTA people and are all about saving the boat load of money they do by running an underpowered VHF.

I have really given up on the Columbia stations and have gone over to Springfield. KOMU disappeared completely for me when they went back to VHF 8. KOLR 10 is on VHF but they at least tried to increase power. Now KSFX 27 is losing Fox and it is moving to KRBK 49, which I am only a few miles from and can't get OTA! Hopefully they get to full power before September.

what happened to mediacom's foxhd qam?