possibly off-topic, but I could use some advice w/my 8300HD DVR. I have had an external drive which seems to be working fine for some time now. However, lately, when I play a recent recording, about 10% of the time, the DVR plays back the content from an older, different recording. The older recording is always a different name, channel, etc. I've done hard and soft reboot but no luck getting my recent recording back. Any suggestions?? For what it's worth, once the new recording is corrupt, I've had no luck restoring it.

thanks.

I've had the same thing happen a few times, also. The only way that I have found to play the correct recording is to delete the one it is incorrectly pointing too. But, after that, if I turn off the box, the newer recording will disappear also. I still don't know what is causing the problem, though.

is any compression done in the "narrow" option ?
doesnt seem that way. but its definitely louder.

didnt notice any difference in sound between Wide and normal,
although maybe it has to do ith audio level during channel changs.

I have been recording shows from the 8300 and comcast in wpb florida for 2 years (had D* TV before that witha an UltimateTV DVR....the best DVR IMHO)

I have a Panasonic DVD recorder, and I love burning shows that I have on the 8300, esp. HBO shows. b/c I set the DVR to copy to VCR, and I set DVD burner to length of show ,,, and watch what I want ..or leave the house....come back and finalize disc....BOOM I can take that show to any DVD player to watch...

Broadcast TV of course more difficult, if I want to record w/o commercials....
I usually record and watch so I can delete the nasty commercials...



BTW anyone know if there is a setting I can adjust , that will make audio on recorded DVD.s louder....seems to record video fine,, but audio seems to be too low...


Record away ...

Like Big, I cannot guarantee, but the only thing a cableco could do, I think, is disable the "Copy To VCR' function and I have never heard anyone say they did this. If you know someone with an 8300, simply ask them to see if that option is available for a recording. If it is, then you are indeed "golden".



AFAIK, the 8000 was a different animal and I don't know if it had the Copy To VCR function, especially when that question might have been asked. However, I still think they were talking about recording direct to DVD or copying to DVD in HD.

In any event, even "without" the Copy To VCR function, you could still "play" the recording and record it over the Composite or S-Video connection. The difference is you can't watch something else while it is playing. With the Copy To VCR function, you can watch live TV while it is recording to DVD.

I have a 8300 and a DVD recorder. I am on brighthouse networks and we do not have the Copy to VCR function. Would I just go from composite output on the back of the dvr to input on the dvd recorder then play and press record? Trying to back up a bunch of workout shows so that they don't have to sit on the dvr forever.

I have a 8300 and a DVD recorder. I am on brighthouse networks and we do not have the Copy to VCR function. Would I just go from composite output on the back of the dvr to input on the dvd recorder then play and press record? Trying to back up a bunch of workout shows so that they don't have to sit on the dvr forever.

IIRC that works just fine. The real value of the Copy To VCR function is that it works in the background and you don't have to view what is being recorded.

IIRC that works just fine. The real value of the Copy To VCR function is that it works in the background and you don't have to view what is being recorded.

Does the Tv Need to be hooked up through the DVD recorder then? This is how I currently have it. I have hdmi from 8300 to tv. Component from 8300 to dvd recorder. It's not working though :(

Does the Tv Need to be hooked up through the DVD recorder then? This is how I currently have it. I have hdmi from 8300 to tv. Component from 8300 to dvd recorder. It's not working though :(

The key word in your original post was "composite". Using HDMI often disables the Component Out (DRM rules), so the Component connection cannot be used at the same time, even for a different device. You should be able to use either a Composite or S-Video/L-R Audio connection to the DVD recorder and keep your HDMI connection to the TV intact.

Sounds about right for an 8300HD with a 320GB drive, which is what it might have if it's fairly new.

I checked via diags and it's a 160GB HDD.

ps - Looks like they upgraded s/w again:

ROM 1.8.0.1401 9/9/09
SARA 1.91.36.103 9/9/09

I have a 1 TB external hard drive connected to by 8300. I was cleaning it up from last season, and started deleting shows. Then I remembered something I read somewhere (maybe here) that the correct way to delete a show is to fast forward through it and delete it then. Otherwise, the hard drive will not free up the space.

Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

I have a 1 TB external hard drive connected to by 8300. I was cleaning it up from last season, and started deleting shows. Then I remembered something I read somewhere (maybe here) that the correct way to delete a show is to fast forward through it and delete it then. Otherwise, the hard drive will not free up the space.

Anyone know if there is any truth to that?

No, but there is some belief that deleting a recording while it is still recording will not free up the space. To be safe, I always stop/save my recordings before I delete the ones that were in progress. If what you said was true, we'd all run out of space in a week.

On a similar note, our box often will not rewind during live viewing. It just shows a red bar to the left of "now". Yesterday, I actually caught something happening that may be related. While viewing a live program, all of a sudden the program description bar showed up on screen as if I had changed the channel (which I didn't) and after that I couldn't rewind the program.

Also, I often can not record a program from the beginning that I am watching despite having watched it from the beginning. It just records from the time I press record.

Cox San Diego South
I have this same problem on my new 8300HDC I did not have it on my 8300HD
I have taken it back 2 times, not happy . is there any fix?

Yeah, the problem I described sounds similar to the last 5 posts or so. It's not that the box is idle and goes into that "press any button mode", it instead blanks the screen for a second and then pops up the program description minibar (on the bottom) as if i changed the channel and at that point all the recorded material from the pause point is erased and it skips to live (can't rewind because it's all red bar prior to where it skipped to). The odd thing is that this happens on the dot at 3am every night. I don't think it use to do this but I can't be sure. I'll give manually rebooting a shot and see what it does tonight.
that just happened to me tonight and i could not rewind it was all red instead of green.
what is up with this, I had it happen at other times too on the 8300hdc

Here is a story about web scheduling of our SA8300 SARA based DVRs on Cablevision.

First Cable Operator to Introduce Feature Across Service Footprint
Todd Spangler -- Multichannel News, 9/22/2009 12:36:09 PM EDT
Cablevision Systems announced the deployment of remote DVR scheduling and management through its Optimum.net portal across its entire New York metro service area, becoming the first cable operator to enable the feature footprint-wide.

The service, available to subscribers who subscribe to both DVR and broadband, lets viewers search for shows, set recordings and delete stored content, using a Web browser from a PC or Mac.

Cable operators have been behind the curve in introducing the feature, which has been touted by DirecTV, Dish Network, Verizon's FiOS TV and AT&T U-verse TV, as well as TiVo.

Comcast and Cox Communications, for their parts, have said they are preparing to launch the feature before the end of the year, and Charter Communications has offered the feature to customers who have access to Digeo DVRs.

Cablevision's new remote DVR feature includes a "DVR Status" page, where customers can view titles of previously recorded programs stored on their DVR, schedule new recordings and search for programs they would like to record. The service also lets subscribers assign names to their DVRs if they have multiple boxes in the house and identify a favorite DVR as a default recording choice.

The feature also provides programming recommendations for shows that are similar to the ones that have been recorded, lets customers set DVR privileges for other members of the home, and can send out e-mail or text message alerts as reminders when a program is going to run again.

"Whether our customers are at the office or away on vacation, the addition of remote DVR access offers the added convenience of setting and managing DVRs from any computer, and with the fall TV season coming up, it's a perfect time to introduce this enhancement," Cablevision senior vice president of product management John Trierweiler said, in a statement. "Remote DVR access is a natural evolution of Cablevision's ongoing development of our triple-play with integrated features that greatly enhance the value of the bundle for our customers."

http://www.multichannel.com/article/354904-Cablevision_Debuts_Web_DVR_Scheduling.php

I don't know if this is the correct thread to ask. But my cable operator is Brighthouse Networks, in Altamonte Springs FL.

I HD DVR is:

Scientific Atlanta, Explorer 8300 HDC, with Mystro Software.

I've tried to see what type of version I have, and I have attempted what the very first page of this thread have said to check software version, remove bars from SD channels, etc.

But neither of these work here.

The way I have removed the black bars from SD channels is "stretching" option in the display section in the settings department.

Perhaps the info is outdated.

I was hoping to see if I have to come to THIS thread based on the HD DVR that I mentioned above.

(If this is not the correct thread, where can I find it?)

Thanks.

I don't know if this is the correct thread to ask. But my cable operator is Brighthouse Networks, in Altamonte Springs FL.

I HD DVR is:

Scientific Atlanta, Explorer 8300 HDC, with Mystro Software.

I've tried to see what type of version I have

The First Post has a section to tell you how to determine what software you have by looking at A, B, and C keys when you are viewing the IPG; SARA, Passport, or Navigator (Mystro). You can double check, but since you already think you have Navigator, you probably should be in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8434087&&#post8434087).

Anyone have this problem. I recorded House last night and it recorded eight segments. It kept stopping then starting back up. Thankfully, it didn't just stop recording. Weirdly, it seemed to start and stop at the commercial breaks. So far I don't think I have missed any of the program itself.

Maybe this is a new software feature! :-)

Anyone have this problem. I recorded House last night and it recorded eight segments. It kept stopping then starting back up. Thankfully, it didn't just stop recording. Weirdly, it seemed to start and stop at the commercial breaks. So far I don't think I have missed any of the program itself.

Maybe this is a new software feature! :-)

We used to have that problem with Fox in Austin every once in a while. It was due to them inserting commercials with a different video format I believe...

xnappo

The First Post has a section to tell you how to determine what software you have by looking at A, B, and C keys when you are viewing the IPG; SARA, Passport, or Navigator (Mystro). You can double check, but since you already think you have Navigator, you probably should be in this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8434087&&#post8434087).

You are correct. I have the navigator. Thanks for the link!

:)

With my old tv, I used the component out and never had any problems with this box from Time Warner in Los Angeles. My new tv is a Pioneer 500M which uses HDMI. Video is fine but when HDMI is used, the digital out switches from 5.1 to stereo even though the audio out is still set to dolby digital. I have an older Marantz receiver which does not have HDMI, so I need 5.1 out of the optical out. Is this a bad box or an inherent problem with this box? Thanks.

With my old tv, I used the component out and never had any problems with this box from Time Warner in Los Angeles. My new tv is a Pioneer 500M which uses HDMI. Video is fine but when HDMI is used, the digital out switches from 5.1 to stereo even though the audio out is still set to dolby digital. I have an older Marantz receiver which does not have HDMI, so I need 5.1 out of the optical out. Is this a bad box or an inherent problem with this box? Thanks.

No, it's not a universal problem with the box. I used optical digital to connect the 8300HD to my non-HD receiver, the box was set to "Dolby Digital," and I got 5.1 Dolby Digital over the receiver when the show was broadcast that way. The box sent video to my TV via HDMI.

TWC replaced that box with an 8300HDC, all the connections are the same, and everything still works the same way.

I'm trying to set up multiple record all's of the same show on the same channel on a SA8300HD using SARA. It's easier to explain with an example

Trying to record TopGear at 11PM Monday nights on BBC America. They always show a different episode at 2PM Tuesday morning.

I set up the record all for the 11PM show and that saves. Then I go and set up the recording for 2AM show and save that. No error message, but the recording setting for the 11PM show is gone.

As a test I also tried setting up the same pattern with Seinfeld on TBS and had the same thing happen.

Does anyone know if this is a SARA issue or is my DVR messed up?

thanks

I believe it is a software issue. I know I run into this problem from time to time under similar circumstances. I believe that all you can do is set it to record the Tuesday show once only and then of course you have to remember to do this every week; I "think" this works. The only other option is to record all shows and given they have a ton of showings I doubt you want to do this. BTW, the Top Gear season is over now.

I'm trying to set up multiple record all's of the same show on the same channel on a SA8300HD using SARA. It's easier to explain with an example

Trying to record TopGear at 11PM Monday nights on BBC America. They always show a different episode at 2PM Tuesday morning.

I set up the record all for the 11PM show and that saves. Then I go and set up the recording for 2AM show and save that. No error message, but the recording setting for the 11PM show is gone.

As a test I also tried setting up the same pattern with Seinfeld on TBS and had the same thing happen.

Does anyone know if this is a SARA issue or is my DVR messed up?

thanks

I'm trying to set up multiple record all's of the same show on the same channel on a SA8300HD using SARA. It's easier to explain with an example

Trying to record TopGear at 11PM Monday nights on BBC America. They always show a different episode at 2PM Tuesday morning.

I set up the record all for the 11PM show and that saves. Then I go and set up the recording for 2AM show and save that. No error message, but the recording setting for the 11PM show is gone.

As a test I also tried setting up the same pattern with Seinfeld on TBS and had the same thing happen.

Does anyone know if this is a SARA issue or is my DVR messed up?

thanks
You can't do that. You are trying to tell it to record in THIS TIMESLOT and then giving it 2 different timelsots. It's poor design, but that goes without saying when it comes to SARA designers.

Since both episodes you are trying to record play back to back at 1:00 ET, you would probably be better off setting up a manual recording from 1:00-3:00 on Tuesday (or 2 manual recordings; 1:00-2:00 and 2:00-3:00). Any other option is going to record all episodes and you will have to delete quite a few repeats.

I don't like to recommend manual recordings because they have no individual identity, but if you only have this one, this will save you a lot of deleting and wasted HDD space.

Anyone have this problem. I recorded House last night and it recorded eight segments. It kept stopping then starting back up. Thankfully, it didn't just stop recording. Weirdly, it seemed to start and stop at the commercial breaks. So far I don't think I have missed any of the program itself.

Maybe this is a new software feature! :-)

I have had the same problem - three times in the last 10 days. A one hour show is recorded in two segments. Break is during a commercial. This happened to the same show last week and this week. Is there any kind of fix. Has anyone had a hard reboot help this problem. Thanks.

I have had the same problem - three times in the last 10 days. A one hour show is recorded in two segments. Break is during a commercial. This happened to the same show last week and this week. Is there any kind of fix. Has anyone had a hard reboot help this problem. Thanks.

Whenever this has happened to me, not often, I have done a hard reboot. I don't know if it's just coincidence that it doesn't happen again or not. I think I've seen this maybe 3-6 times in 6 years and I seem to remember one instance just last year.

Well, my recording of House once again had numerous breaks- seven for a one hour recording. As someone responded to me after the first time, obviously something that FOX is doing during commercials is causing this. It's hard to believe that changing formats of the broadcasts can stop the 8300 from recording, but obviously it does. I doubt that it is the 8300, but I'll try and remember to reboot before the next episode of House. House is the only Fox program I record so I don't know if affects all Fox programming in my area.

Whenever this has happened to me, not often, I have done a hard reboot. I don't know if it's just coincidence that it doesn't happen again or not. I think I've seen this maybe 3-6 times in 6 years and I seem to remember one instance just last year.

It's hard to believe that changing formats of the broadcasts can stop the 8300 from recording, but obviously it does.

It depends on how they are doing it. If the signal is effectively "lost", the DVR quits recording and restarts when the signal comes back. It must be your local station because I've had no problems at all with House, Bones or Lie To Me.

Edit: Oh, and that is not the same as multiple recordings that do not break at the commercials, though a signal problem could be the cause there. I don't think rebooting is going to help in your case, but you never know.

I have noticed commercials popping up asking you to push A, B, or C alot lately. When they happen on a HDTV channel, the format switches to SDTV almost like the channel has been changed. I wonder if this is causing the segmented recordings?

I have noticed commercials popping up asking you to push A, B, or C alot lately. When they happen on a HDTV channel, the format switches to SDTV almost like the channel has been changed. I wonder if this is causing the segmented recordings?

On what provider?

I have read many posts on setting up the STB, but I am still confused and need your help with the following.

I have Comcast's SA 8300 HDC and a Panasonic 50V10. I don't do games and don't have a Bluray, I just watch TV. I have been reading about the debate over 720p vs 1080i. And haven't decided which is better, so I'd like to be able to have the 1080i broadcasts show in 1080i and the 720p broadcasts show in 720p. As for the SD channels, I'm just not sure how to handle them and would appreciate your suggestions on how to fit them into the above scheme (don't know if 480p is good enough or should I upscale...thoroughly confused). Bottom line question: Given that I'm using components from STB to TV, how should I set up the STB to allow the TV to do the scaling so that each broadcast format is minimally changed? If this request doesn't make sense, please help me sort this all out.

Not sure there is a "right" way. Personally, I use pass through on the box. I enable all formats. I have the Panasonic automatically convert the SD to the full screen using "full" (not sure your Panasonic uses this terminology). Some people like the SD with side bars and no distortion. I don't like the sidebars.

I have read many posts on setting up the STB, but I am still confused and need your help with the following.

I have Comcast's SA 8300 HDC and a Panasonic 50V10. I don't do games and don't have a Bluray, I just watch TV. I have been reading about the debate over 720p vs 1080i. And haven't decided which is better, so I'd like to be able to have the 1080i broadcasts show in 1080i and the 720p broadcasts show in 720p. As for the SD channels, I'm just not sure how to handle them and would appreciate your suggestions on how to fit them into the above scheme (don't know if 480p is good enough or should I upscale...thoroughly confused). Bottom line question: Given that I'm using components from STB to TV, how should I set up the STB to allow the TV to do the scaling so that each broadcast format is minimally changed? If this request doesn't make sense, please help me sort this all out.

BA, I do use pass-through and I realize that I can enable all formats, but then this makes it "messy." I guess what I would ideally like is to have 1080i, 720p in wide screen w/o any bars for those channels that broadcst in 1080i and 720p. And for the SD cahnnels, I'd like wide screen 480p without bars...if this is possible. Hope I made my goals clearer so that you can show me how do it.

BA, I do use pass-through and I realize that I can enable all formats, but then this makes it "messy." I guess what I would ideally like is to have 1080i, 720p in wide screen w/o any bars for those channels that broadcst in 1080i and 720p. And for the SD cahnnels, I'd like wide screen 480p without bars...if this is possible. Hope I made my goals clearer so that you can show me how do it.

Absolutely this is possible, that's what I do. Many TVs are able to zoom/expand non-HD channels. Like BA, I pass all formats. My TVs all properly display HD channels and then zoom/expand the others automatically. The only time this doesn't work is when an HD channel broadcasts 4:3 content. This cannot automatically be zoomed/expanded.

You need to look in your TV manual for the various zoom options to find out how your TV does this, if it can. For mine, I just bring up the options while on a non-HD channel and select the option I want. After that, it's automatic.

In my case, non-HD channels allow for 6 options: 4:3 standard, 4:3 expanded, 4:3 zoom1, 4:3 zoom2, 16:9 standard, and 16:9 zoom. HD channels only allow for 2 options: 16:9 standard and 16:9 zoom.

I hope this helps.

Absolutely this is possible, that's what I do. Many TVs are able to zoom/expand non-HD channels. Like BA, I pass all formats. My TVs all properly display HD channels and then zoom/expand the others automatically. The only time this doesn't work is when an HD channel broadcasts 4:3 content. This cannot automatically be zoomed/expanded.

You need to look in your TV manual for the various zoom options to find out how your TV does this, if it can. For mine, I just bring up the options while on a non-HD channel and select the option I want. After that, it's automatic.

In my case, non-HD channels allow for 6 options: 4:3 standard, 4:3 expanded, 4:3 zoom1, 4:3 zoom2, 16:9 standard, and 16:9 zoom. HD channels only allow for 2 options: 16:9 standard and 16:9 zoom.

I hope this helps.

Thanks, 2XDAZ, but how do I set up my SA 8300 to allow this to happen? I know how to use the zoom options on my TV. Do I merely allow ALL screen/resolution options to exist in the STB, or do I only allow certain options?

Thanks, 2XDAZ, but how do I set up my SA 8300 to allow this to happen? I know how to use the zoom options on my TV. Do I merely allow ALL screen/resolution options to exist in the STB, or do I only allow certain options?

No, AFAIK you need to disable some formats.

Since I don't see any difference between 720p and 1080i on my setup, I only enable 1080i, but you should be free to enable both if you so desire. There are/were some TVs that did not handle 720p correctly and some HDMI connections had various problems. But if both work, you can enable both if you want.

The real problems come with the 480i/p formats. As mentioned in the First Post, the widescreen formats let the 8300 control the zooming/expanding. Therefore, you only want to enable the standard formats to let your TV control things.

Most non-HD channels are 480i and the music channels are 480p. It doesn't really matter which you enable, but some folks have had problems with one or the other. I assume those problems were similar to the 720p problems and were probably in the same TVs.

Anyway, I suggest you start with 480i standard, 480p standard, 720p, and 1080i. Run through the various channels and see if there are any problems and if things work the way you want them too. In case you don't know how to enable/disable formats, the First Post has instructions, along with a lot of other info. Let us know how it goes.

I'm a little confused by your previous post. You won't get bars from 720p or 1080i, it will fill the screen. Make sure the 8300 is set to "normal" picture size. Do this from the menu or on the remote (# button). Set the 8300 to pass through if you use component cables or auto HDMI if you use HDMI cables. Then set your TV to upsize SD. My TV allows several options for upsizing the SD to 16-9. I like the "full" option. I would allow all options formats on the box. You know how to do that, right? The box instructions and I think the first post in this thread explain how.

Thanks, 2XDAZ, but how do I set up my SA 8300 to allow this to happen? I know how to use the zoom options on my TV. Do I merely allow ALL screen/resolution options to exist in the STB, or do I only allow certain options?

You won't get bars from 720p or 1080i.

Sure you will, whenever they show 4:3 or OAR content, which is much of the day for local networks. ;)

Thanks BA and 2XDAZ. Both of your responses appear to give me what I want to know. Now I have to go to the TV and do a little monkeying around...

Yep, you caught me on that. The only think I watch on what normally is an HD channel is Family Guy.

Sure you will, whenever they show 4:3 or OAR content, which is much of the day for local networks. ;)

STB: Set on "pass through." I chose the following for the incoming signal to be processed by the TV: 420p standard, 720p, and 1080i. My TV screen size is set to "Full".

Now, here's what I get: All channels (SD and HD) come in wide size without bars. Clicking from one channel to the next is just about instantaneous. All channels show in their sent signal--480, 720, 1080. This is exactly what I wanted. Thanks for your help.

This is exactly what I wanted.

Thanks for letting us know it helped.

Thanks for letting us know it helped.

Always enjoy letting those who helped that I appreciate it.

Now to continue with my still lingering confusion. Of course, I found much of what i think I was looking for on the very first post of Tips and Tricks:

"Display Format Summary. UG-5/6 Press Settings twice, then scroll to Set: Picture Format.
Fixed - Displays all content at whatever resolution you selected in Setup Wizard.
Pass Through - Passes input signal through with no change unless you disable a resolution. For example 480i in - 480i out, 720P in - 720P out, 720p disabled - 1080i out, etc.
Auto HDMI/DVI - If you use HDMI, this option replaces Pass Through option. Resolution is automatically formatted to scan rate supported by TV.
UpConvert 1 - All 480i/480P signals converted to 480P. All 720P/1080i signals converted to 1080i.
UpConvert 2 - All 480i/480P signals converted to 480P. All 720P/1080i signals converted to 720P."

I need a little further explanation with Pass Through. Does using PT allow your TV to do all the scaling? I do want the TV to do the scaling and not the STB. What confuses me is that if I set the STB to PT and 480p, 720p and 1080i (as I have done), does this mean that the STB lets these signals through without change and thus lets the TV do its stuff?

Always enjoy letting those who helped that I appreciate it.

Now to continue with my still lingering confusion. Of course, I found much of what i think I was looking for on the very first post of Tips and Tricks:

I need a little further explanation with Pass Through. Does using PT allow your TV to do all the scaling? I do want the TV to do the scaling and not the STB. What confuses me is that if I set the STB to PT and 480p, 720p and 1080i (as I have done), does this mean that the STB lets these signals through without change and thus lets the TV do its stuff?

Yes. However, by not enabling 480i, you are letting the STB convert most/all SD channels to 480p before sending. I doubt you will notice ANY difference, but if you want a pure stream, enable 480i unless it causes problems.

FWIW, I doubt you would notice any difference if you only enabled 480i and 1080i and the same would be true with enabling all formats and using UpConvert 1 or 2. By limiting which formats you enable, you reduce the reformatting that takes place when scanning through channels. I disabled 720p because I saw no difference, even on sports, with my setup and I disliked the reformatting that took place when I tuned to/from 720p channels. Our cableco segrates SD and HD channels, so reformatting now is almost nil for us.

Yes. However, by not enabling 480i, you are letting the STB convert most/all SD channels to 480p before sending.

...By limiting which formats you enable, you reduce the reformatting that takes place when scanning through channels. I disabled 720p because I saw no difference, even on sports, with my setup and I disliked the reformatting that took place when I tuned to/from 720p channels. .

OK, getting close to home. So, as I am now starting to understand, I should also enable 480i on the STB pass through in order to let my TV process the signal to 480p???

As for limiting formats to reduce reformatting time, I do understand what you are saying. But, as I presently have things set up, when I go from a 720p channel to a 1080i (or any changes from one format to another) it is instantaneous and I don't have to resize the screen image. So, if this be true, then I can leave things well enough alone, eh?

OK, getting close to home. So, as I am now starting to understand, I should also enable 480i on the STB pass through in order to let my TV process the signal to 480p???
Some of this depends on your TV. AFAIK, most TVs display in only 1 resolution (720p, 1080i, or 1080p, or some variation I suppose), so there is generally no conversion to 480p no matter what.

The bottom line is there is nothing right or wrong about enabling the various resolutions, except the standard vs widescreen formats we discussed. If you are a purist and want your TV to do the scaling, regardless of any difference you can or cannot see, then you should enable all the formats being broadcast, including 480i. In your case, you have to enable at least one 480 in order to get rid of the bars on SD channels. Other than that, it's totally up to you.

As for limiting formats to reduce reformatting time, I do understand what you are saying. But, as I presently have things set up, when I go from a 720p channel to a 1080i (or any changes from one format to another) it is instantaneous and I don't have to resize the screen image. So, if this be true, then I can leave things well enough alone, eh?
Again, this depends on the TV. In your case, and I think in the case of my new TVs, there is no noticeable reformatting displayed, so you can most definitely leave things as they are, with the exception of what we discussed above for 480i.

NOTE: One of my nits is to pick on purists. :) In most cases, people will never notice a difference if they simply enable 480i and 1080i. As I mentioned I can't see a difference between 720p and 1080i. I only enable 1080i because that is what most HD channels are, simple as that.

Great tutorial, 2XDAZ. Now that I understand all that I've been seeking, I'm a little embarrassed that I didn't get it right after reading the T&T's first page. I guess I am somewhat of a purist and I don't mind your nit-picking at all. You are probably right about my not noticing any differences between 720p and 1080i. I'd like to check that out with my own eyes, but it is difficult to do as I don't think one can toggle between the two formats while watching the same picture. As the reformatting is instantaneous, and just to be on the "safe" side, I'll add 480i and be done with it...that is until I realize that enabling just 480i and 1080i will essentially do the same job. Thanks again.

Yeah, I can get away with saying I and others don't notice a difference because there is usually no way to do sidebyside comparisons. ;)

I used to look at in-store displays for Blu-Ray and say pretty much the same thing until I happened across a sidebyside display. They have 2 setups with the same model TVs/players running the same movie. This showed me there is a very noticeable difference. Obviously, it's not the same situation, but reinforces my belief that everyone needs to test things for themselves and ten do what they want. Even if you don't see a difference, there is no reason not to enable all formats. I don't because I don't like the reformat when tuning through channels, simple as that.

Oh, and the First Post is the culmination of work by a lot of folks, I simply maintain it. I'm glad it's still useful after all this time.

Hey guys, I just recently got the Samsung PN42B450. This is my first HDTV and have no idea how to set up my TV properly. So far I've been reading that on a new plasma you're supposed to break it in for the first 100 hours. I have made a copy of the breakin dvd and have ran it for probably less than 10 hours.

I using a Scientic Atlanta Explorer 8300HDPVR with my new plasma and when I try to watch HD channels they have black bars at the top and bottom, but on the SD channels they are fullscreen. I read that I should be avoiding watch TV with the black bars during breakin. I tried setting PVR picture settings to stretch, Zoom 1 , and Zoom 2, but nothing changed on the HD channels. Still have the black bars. Is it supposed to be like this or did I not set it up right?

Also when streaming movies with my PS3 with PS3media server I can't seem to watch them in fullscreen either. I'm not sure what kind of content I should be getting to get it to show fullscreen.

I forgot to add that my HDMI cables haven't arrive yet and I'm using composite cables to connect everything. I'm not sure if that makes a difference on the matter

I don't think you have set up the box correctly; HD formats not enabled?. Look at the first page of this thread for instructions.

Yes, don't watch with side bars. I wouldn't bother with the DVD. If you want to be cautious, just make sure that you don't have a steady picture on all or part of the screen like playing a game. Also, don't leave it on the brightest setting for a while.

Hey guys, I just recently got the Samsung PN42B450. This is my first HDTV and have no idea how to set up my TV properly. So far I've been reading that on a new plasma you're supposed to break it in for the first 100 hours. I have made a copy of the breakin dvd and have ran it for probably less than 10 hours.

I using a Scientic Atlanta Explorer 8300HDPVR with my new plasma and when I try to watch HD channels they have black bars at the top and bottom, but on the SD channels they are fullscreen. I read that I should be avoiding watch TV with the black bars during breakin. I tried setting PVR picture settings to stretch, Zoom 1 , and Zoom 2, but nothing changed on the HD channels. Still have the black bars. Is it supposed to be like this or did I not set it up right?

Also when streaming movies with my PS3 with PS3media server I can't seem to watch them in fullscreen either. I'm not sure what kind of content I should be getting to get it to show fullscreen.

I forgot to add that my HDMI cables haven't arrive yet and I'm using composite cables to connect everything. I'm not sure if that makes a difference on the matter

I forgot to add that my HDMI cables haven't arrive yet and I'm using composite cables to connect everything. I'm not sure if that makes a difference on the matter

There's your problem. A single yellow video cable can't deliver HD, you need to use HDMI or component (3 video cables) to get it to deliver HD.

I have an SA 8300 HD with an HDMI connection. I accidentally switched the settings from 1080 to 480i. Now my TV says it's not supported and I can't even fix it back. I called Time Warner Cable and they were useless as usual. Any ideas on how I can fix this?? Thanks!!!

I have an SA 8300 HD with an HDMI connection. I accidentally switched the settings from 1080 to 480i. Now my TV says it's not supported and I can't even fix it back. I called Time Warner Cable and they were useless as usual. Any ideas on how I can fix this?? Thanks!!!

Turn off the cable box, but leave your TV on. Now hold down the GUIDE and INFO boxes together at the same time on the box. This should bring up the box's setup wizard, where you can choose what settings you want. If you want everything sent to your TV in 1080i, choose the Easy Setup option and select Widescreen. Follow instructions on your tv.

I am a little confused on the stretch function on the 8300HD

I would like to pass through all signals as is to my AV receiver as I feel the upconversion software is better on my denon receiver than on the 8300
My receiver can upconvert all signals to 1080i and output to plasma tv via HDMI.

Problem is when I pass through the signals on the 8300 and press # on the remote on the SD channels it goes from normal with bars on the sides to zoom which is way too big and content is missing on the screen. I don't like the bars.
Same issue with upconvert1 or upconvert2 on the SD channels.
The HD chanels have a stretch option when toggling through the # button after normal before zoom, this seems to be missing on 480i or 480p signals.

I do not like the way my TV stretches, is there no way to have the stretch option with an SD channel on the 8300 if pass through is selected?
If I select fixed output at 1080i I get the stetch option on my SD channels but then I am using the 8300 upconversion not that of my AV receiver.

Also I noticed that when on an SD channel if I toggle the # button it still reads 1080i, yet I thought pass through this would be 480i?

If it cannot work I will use the 8300 to upconvert but thought I would at least pose the question before admitting defeat.

mr767,

The zoom options I have for SD channels are Normal, Zoom1, Zoom2. For HD, they are Normal, Stretch, Zoom1, Zoom2. Since you don't like the stretch options your TV provides, you can try enabling 480i Widescreen instead of 480i Standard. I don't remember if that gives you a letterbox or not. If it does, then you might get close to what you want with Zoom1 or one of your TV options. If it doesn't help, I think you are SOL. Some HDTVs, like mine, have an "expanded" option. This cuts very little off the top/bottom and stretches the sides more than the middle.

In the latest SARA version "Zoom2" is gone and replaced by "auto fit" which stretches SD channels to 16:9 (if that's what you like) but has no effect on HD channels so you don't have to toggle when you change channels.

In the latest SARA version "Zoom2" is gone and replaced by "auto fit" which stretches SD channels to 16:9 (if that's what you like) but has no effect on HD channels so you don't have to toggle when you change channels.

Can one, and how does one, get the lastest SARA version?

Yes, that sounds like the perfect solution for me.
I have comcast cable and technically they "own" the box.

Do all cable providers have the new software updates, can you upgrade your self by,call them and they do it over the phone, return the box for a new one, or are you screwed until they decide to upgrade on their own.

Thank you very much for the replies.

No, not all cableco's have the same software and you can't upgrade yourself, they push it to your box. Also, most cableco's actually use 2 versions, one for the 8300HD and one for the 8300HDC (cablecard), and they do have different options.

No, not all cableco's have the same software and you can't upgrade yourself, they push it to your box. Also, most cableco's actually use 2 versions, one for the 8300HD and one for the 8300HDC (cablecard), and they do have different options.

I've got the SA 8300HDC from Comcast in West palm Beach, FL. Just spoke to them and they have no idea what I was talking about, DUH.

I've got the SA 8300HDC from Comcast in West palm Beach, FL. Just spoke to them and they have no idea what I was talking about, DUH.

Not surprising since CSRs rarely have anything to do with firmware. Upgrades usually take place early in the morning. My guess is you have the latest firmware Comcast is using in WPB. You can use instructions in the First Post to go into the diagnostics pages to see what version you have. It will be something like 1.90.x.x.

FWIW, if you can email customer service, I find that easier than calling. Email lets you provide more info and they can pass it around to get you a better answer. At least that has been my experience with Cox here.

I am a little confused on the stretch function on the 8300HD

I do not like the way my TV stretches, is there no way to have the stretch option with an SD channel on the 8300 if pass through is selected?
If I select fixed output at 1080i I get the stetch option on my SD channels but then I am using the 8300 upconversion not that of my AV receiver.

Also I noticed that when on an SD channel if I toggle the # button it still reads 1080i, yet I thought pass through this would be 480i?



I think I setup 3 possible modes. As I remember it was 480i, 720p, and 1080i (I forget if that's because the output can change due to input or because I capture off the S-VHS port sometimes). Anyway, no matter what I'm watching SD, ED, HD, 4:3, 16:9 ... by using the "cycling" # key I can always find a good mode. If it's 4:3, we usually use Zoom1 (the one that expands it to full width and crops the top and bottom a bit) ... if not # a few times. I never change the aspect adjustment on the plasma (for TV or disc). I think I have the TV set to 1:1 pixel or maybe Auto. As I recall, it usually says 720p on the 8300HD display. I think p is better than i, and I don't think this unit will do 1080p (might be a TW limitation) so 720p it is. HD looks really nice upscalled by the 1080p plasma (can't really turn that off). I think The Fifth Element on HBO last Sunday looked better than the DVD (even the wife said so).

Not surprising since CSRs rarely have anything to do with firmware. Upgrades usually take place early in the morning. My guess is you have the latest firmware Comcast is using in WPB. You can use instructions in the First Post to go into the diagnostics pages to see what version you have. It will be something like 1.90.x.x.

FWIW, if you can email customer service, I find that easier than calling. Email lets you provide more info and they can pass it around to get you a better answer. At least that has been my experience with Cox here.

I'll be checking my version later today...

I have a question for everyone regarding the explorer 8300HD used with the pioneer pro-101fd plasma. I recently switched to the pioneer a couple of weeks ago and am very happy with the set but I have one small annoying problem. I have a SA explorer 8300HD STB with Videotron in Montreal Canada. There seems to be some kind of HDMI handshake issue with either the STB or the TV because almost every time i switch between a HD and SD channel, I get the static snow screen and must change input and then back again to resolve the issue.

When I had my Sharp LCD before getting the Pioneer I had a different problem where the audio would cut every few seconds when I switched only from SD to HD but this did not happen very often. Now this problem I am having with the Pioneer seems to be an HDMI handshake issue but I find it hard to believe that the Sharp is better at handling this problem that the Pioneer because it's an older set.

What do you all think is the problem, the STB or the TV? It's starting to get annoying to have to constantly switch to another input to resolve the problem. Any input would be greatly appreciated on the matter. Anyone having this STB as well as a 101fd/500M could maube chime in as well.

Thanks

I have a question for everyone regarding the explorer 8300HD used with the pioneer pro-101fd plasma. I recently switched to the pioneer a couple of weeks ago and am very happy with the set but I have one small annoying problem. I have a SA explorer 8300HD STB with Videotron in Montreal Canada. There seems to be some kind of HDMI handshake issue with either the STB or the TV because almost every time i switch between a HD and SD channel, I get the static snow screen and must change input and then back again to resolve the issue.

When I had my Sharp LCD before getting the Pioneer I had a different problem where the audio would cut every few seconds when I switched only from SD to HD but this did not happen very often. Now this problem I am having with the Pioneer seems to be an HDMI handshake issue but I find it hard to believe that the Sharp is better at handling this problem that the Pioneer because it's an older set.

What do you all think is the problem, the STB or the TV? It's starting to get annoying to have to constantly switch to another input to resolve the problem. Any input would be greatly appreciated on the matter. Anyone having this STB as well as a 101fd/500M could maube chime in as well.

Thanks

what are you outputting out of the 8300HD, i.e., did you select a fixed resolution (e.g., 1080 or 720) or did you select pass-thru?

you may want to play around with your output settings to find one that works.

the issue i encounter is that it takes a few seconds before my image stabilizes; the screen flashes a few times before it selects the proper display format when switching between stations with differing resolutions, i.e., going from a 1080 station to a 720 station since i have mine set on pass-thru.

i can eliminte this by selecting a fixed 1080 out resolution but then have to live with the 8300 doing the scaling as opposed to the pio (i have a pro-fhd1)

Ben (love the name btw), I am doing pass through but have also tried upconvert 1. Both seem to exhibit the same problem. I think this is a handshake issue as I also get the flashes at times like you described but when the signal finally logs in, I get a snowy static white screen and the only way to remedy is to change input and come back.

Setting the resolution to just 1080i will give me bars on the side of the SD channels and I will constantly have to fiddle with the TV's picture size setting. If the STB was left to pass through the native resolutions, each resolution can have it's own assigned picture size so when switching form SD to HD channel, the picture is automatically streched/adjusted accordingly without me having to do it each time.

You could always use component cables. HDMI drives me nuts with the lengthy handshake that works only about 80% of the time.

Ben (love the name btw), I am doing pass through but have also tried upconvert 1. Both seem to exhibit the same problem. I think this is a handshake issue as I also get the flashes at times like you described but when the signal finally logs in, I get a snowy static white screen and the only way to remedy is to change input and come back.

Setting the resolution to just 1080i will give me bars on the side of the SD channels and I will constantly have to fiddle with the TV's picture size setting. If the STB was left to pass through the native resolutions, each resolution can have it's own assigned picture size so when switching form SD to HD channel, the picture is automatically streched/adjusted accordingly without me having to do it each time.

I have two Panasonic TVs (LX700 and V10), and both are hooked up to SA8300HDCs. The LCD via HDMI and the plasma via component. I have CC turned on in both of the TVs' menues. I have what I believe to be the right settings set within the STB (CC1 and Digital1, all other settings related to CC are essential at default). Nonetheless, I don't get CC. I have spoken with Panasonic and they agree that my TV settings are correct and they have stated that CC control should now come via the STB. Speaking with Comcast, I have gone through 6 reps with 3 hang ups. BTW, I am very calm and precise during my talks with Comcast, and I believe the hang ups are due to the fact they are reading from the manual and can't answer questions like: What's the difference between CC1-4, Digital 1-6, etc? Interestingly, those reps that stayed on the line were all pushing for a tech to come out. To my way of thinking that would be a waste of time since both sets are exhibiting the same problem that appears to be most probably related not to the boxes but to the settings...which can be handled over the phone...or you folks can do it over the net.

You undoubtedly have done this, but I thought I would mention it anyway: have you turned the CC ON via the STB menu? If it is not on it doesn't matter what settings you have. It seems to me that on my Pannys the TV's CC does not work on SD or HD or both. I have to have CC via the box.

Also, just to be sure, reboot the boxes although I doubt both would be acting up at the same time.

I have two Panasonic TVs (LX700 and V10), and both are hooked up to SA8300HDCs. The LCD via HDMI and the plasma via component. I have CC turned on in both of the TVs' menues. I have what I believe to be the right settings set within the STB (CC1 and Digital1, all other settings related to CC are essential at default). Nonetheless, I don't get CC. I have spoken with Panasonic and they agree that my TV settings are correct and they have stated that CC control should now come via the STB. Speaking with Comcast, I have gone through 6 reps with 3 hang ups. BTW, I am very calm and precise during my talks with Comcast, and I believe the hang ups are due to the fact they are reading from the manual and can't answer questions like: What's the difference between CC1-4, Digital 1-6, etc? Interestingly, those reps that stayed on the line were all pushing for a tech to come out. To my way of thinking that would be a waste of time since both sets are exhibiting the same problem that appears to be most probably related not to the boxes but to the settings...which can be handled over the phone...or you folks can do it over the net.

I have two Panasonic TVs (LX700 and V10), and both are hooked up to SA8300HDCs. The LCD via HDMI and the plasma via component. I have CC turned on in both of the TVs' menues. I have what I believe to be the right settings set within the STB (CC1 and Digital1, all other settings related to CC are essential at default). Nonetheless, I don't get CC. I have spoken with Panasonic and they agree that my TV settings are correct and they have stated that CC control should now come via the STB. Speaking with Comcast, I have gone through 6 reps with 3 hang ups. BTW, I am very calm and precise during my talks with Comcast, and I believe the hang ups are due to the fact they are reading from the manual and can't answer questions like: What's the difference between CC1-4, Digital 1-6, etc? Interestingly, those reps that stayed on the line were all pushing for a tech to come out. To my way of thinking that would be a waste of time since both sets are exhibiting the same problem that appears to be most probably related not to the boxes but to the settings...which can be handled over the phone...or you folks can do it over the net.


The control of the CC is in the 8300. The CC settings in the Panasonics are only for when using the TVs internal tuners (probably not being used if you have a 8300 hooked up).

The control of the CC is in the 8300. The CC settings in the Panasonics are only for when using the TVs internal tuners (probably not being used if you have a 8300 hooked up).

Agreeded as was told the same by Panasonic. Also, BigA, the settings that I have used in the 8300 were obtained in the following manner: 2XMenu>CC Options>Default text/Style set by progrram>CC Source>CC1/Dig1. Nowhere did i see sometihing like "CC on/off." For good measure the CC is "on" on the TV. So, which settings in the 8300 should be used? Is there an "CC on/off" that I am missing?

Agreeded as was told the same by Panasonic. Also, BigA, the settings that I have used in the 8300 were obtained in the following manner: 2XMenu>CC Options>Default text/Style set by progrram>CC Source>CC1/Dig1. Nowhere did i see sometihing like "CC on/off." For good measure the CC is "on" on the TV. So, which settings in the 8300 should be used? Is there an "CC on/off" that I am missing?

Press the Settings button once for Quick Settings and scroll down to Caption: Off/On.

Press the Settings button once for Quick Settings and scroll down to Caption: Off/On.

Amazing! That did the trick. Can't understand why 6 different comcast reps couldn't have told me that?

If the cable cos et al could answer questions then forums like this wouldn't exist.

Amazing! That did the trick. Can't understand why 6 different comcast reps couldn't have told me that?

Amazing! That did the trick. Can't understand why 6 different comcast reps couldn't have told me that?

Probably because they either assumed you already knew that or they just didn't think of the simplest thing. Even here, people often apologize ahead of time when suggesting the simple stuff. I don't happen to be one of them. :)

Yes, I reluctantly suggested that he check the menu to see if it the CC was on. I thought to myself, I bet he gets mad at me for suggesting the obvious.

Probably because they either assumed you already knew that or they just didn't think of the simplest thing. Even here, people often apologize ahead of time when suggesting the simple stuff. I don't happen to be one of them. :)

there's normal ect.
do any of them compress the sound ?
i must say that music isnt CD quality but that may
not be the fault of HD 3800 box, it may be transmitted that way

there's normal ect.
do any of them compress the sound ?
i must say that music isnt CD quality but that may
not be the fault of HD 3800 box, it may be transmitted that way

I don't know about compression, but from the First Post:
Audio Range Settings. Audio Range options are for Dolby Digital output signals and refer to digital "Dynamic Range".
Wide Dynamic Range will render audio that will go from faintest audio level of a whisper at an extremely low level to thundering boom at ear-shattering levels giving great impact to action movies, but calls for good audio setup to properly hear normal dialog without blasting speakers during loud scenes.
Narrow Dynamic Range keeps lower volumes at higher level while muting higher level sounds to lower level. Whispered dialog is not much quieter than explosion and all sound levels are "Narrowed" to a certain level.
Normal Dynamic Range basically splits difference.
These are not specific numbers, but think of it something like this when setting the volume level to about 33% for same scene. Using Narrow Dynamic Range, whisper might be 45db and explosion 85db. Using Wide Dynamic Range setting, whisper might now be 15db and explosion 105db.

I'm new to this forum and looking for help with my SA8300HD. Since I connected with HDMI (previously component) I cannot shut the unit off. The unit stays on for about 5 minutes after I have shut down my projector and all other equipment. I cannot shut it off with the remote or from the front panel power button. After 5 minutes, the display goes blank (like it's booting) then, the "boot" message appears on the display. This message remains on the display until I turn my equipment on then, the unit goes through a boot cycle. After it cycles I am able to watch TV. If I try to turn the unit off, it will not turn off and the process I described repeats.

I thought this was a problem with the unit itself which, I have swapped out. Both units had the same behaviour. I'm thinking it has something to do with the HDMI connection but don't understand why or how to fix it.

I have a question for everyone regarding the explorer 8300HD used with the pioneer pro-101fd plasma. I recently switched to the pioneer a couple of weeks ago and am very happy with the set but I have one small annoying problem. I have a SA explorer 8300HD STB with Videotron in Montreal Canada. There seems to be some kind of HDMI handshake issue with either the STB or the TV because almost every time i switch between a HD and SD channel, I get the static snow screen and must change input and then back again to resolve the issue.

When I had my Sharp LCD before getting the Pioneer I had a different problem where the audio would cut every few seconds when I switched only from SD to HD but this did not happen very often. Now this problem I am having with the Pioneer seems to be an HDMI handshake issue but I find it hard to believe that the Sharp is better at handling this problem that the Pioneer because it's an older set.

What do you all think is the problem, the STB or the TV? It's starting to get annoying to have to constantly switch to another input to resolve the problem. Any input would be greatly appreciated on the matter. Anyone having this STB as well as a 101fd/500M could maube chime in as well.

Thanks
Check your input settings on your pioneer. If you have a option to select 16-235 for that input. If it's set to auto you might encounter handshake issues. I had this problem on my 600M

This procedure from first post doesn't appear to work:

Last Resort (Reformat). If for some reason you can't get STB to do what you want and you've rebooted it by unplugging it, etc., this is a "last resort" item - say just before taking unit back, you can try reformatting the HDD. The format operation resets all data on the DVR, including all recordings, preferences and scheduled recordings. It is a "factory fresh" reset.

When doing the format procedure, there are times where it won't always "take" and will have to be redone again. The procedure is to get the mail light blinking from the remote control by holding down the pause button. Once blinking do not press anything else except the page down (page -) button on the remote three times while watching the display. The display should say something like HDD-1 and then HDD-2 or HDD-F. Once on the setting you want (typically the third press) leave it alone and put the remote down. In a few minutes, the DVR will reboot and reformat on it's own. Once complete in about 10 to 15 minutes (depending on RDC and FDC signal level quality) the unit will be available to be turned on, but it's best to leave it off and come back at a later time after it has completely downloaded all of the guide data and info.
Press and hold PAUSE until Mail led is lit.
Press PAGE down or (-), and then press LIST three times.
Turn box off. When turned back on, formatting will begin.

I've had the same thing happen a few times, also. The only way that I have found to play the correct recording is to delete the one it is incorrectly pointing too. But, after that, if I turn off the box, the newer recording will disappear also. I still don't know what is causing the problem, though.
I have also seen this (new recording playing an older one) occassionally. The last two times it happened it was over a period of a week or two and for both occurrances I happened to notice that the total number of recordings on the PVR was in the 320-330 range. The last time it happened the bad recording was actually pointing to the oldest recording on the device. Could the problem be related to a maximum size of Directory structure?

I deleted a whole bunch of the wife's oldest Art lesson shows (over 100) and with the total recordings now down under 200 I haven't seen the issue again in over 2 months.


Robin

Also, the last two times it happened I noticed it by trying to start playing the recording from the beginning while it was still recording. It was actually being laid down on the disk as I could go to the channel being recorded live and then rewind all the way to the beginning and watch it.


Robin

I am trying to get into the setup wizard on the 8300HDC to change the output format, but can't seem to bring it up. I've turned the unit off and then pressed Guide + Info simultaneously multiple times, but to no avail.

I also tried rebooting the box and it didn't make a difference.

I also tried holding the Select button down and changing it this way. After holding the Select button a few times, the mail icon starts flashing, but then hitting the volume +/- or channel +/- buttons, just performs their normal function as opposed to changing picture format as expected.

Any ideas why this is not working for me? Maybe it's a defective box? Maybe time to call Time Warner?

Thanks,

Jonathan

Is there any work around for my 8300HD not being able to show video through HDMI and Component at the same time? WHen I try I get a picture on the screen with a Red Circle with a line through it, saying that I have an HDMI cable connected.
Thanks

No, it flat just won't do it.

Is there any work around for my 8300HD not being able to show video through HDMI and Component at the same time? WHen I try I get a picture on the screen with a Red Circle with a line through it, saying that I have an HDMI cable connected.
Thanks

Anyone else having trouble getting the DVR to reformat?

Hello everyone ... I'm a new member ....

I probably should search this thread before asking ... but

Anyone know the remote codes for a Samsung ... LN52A860?

I just replaced my cablebox because it was getting receiption problems & starting to lockup causing re-boots ... the new one has a weird problem .... I can turn the cablebox on and the supplied remote functions perfectly ... however once I turn on my TV ... the cable remote stops working for about 5 minutes ... after that the remote works just fine .... I mean I can live with it ... but it just seems a bit weird ...

Denon-2809, 8300HD, sammy LN52A860


PS: I will post the version of the 8300hd once I read thought and figure out how to get it

Hello everyone ... I'm a new member ....

I probably should search this thread before asking ... but

Anyone know the remote codes for a Samsung ... LN52A860?

I just replaced my cablebox because it was getting receiption problems & starting to lockup causing re-boots ... the new one has a weird problem .... I can turn the cablebox on and the supplied remote functions perfectly ... however once I turn on my TV ... the cable remote stops working for about 5 minutes ... after that the remote works just fine .... I mean I can live with it ... but it just seems a bit weird ...

Denon-2809, 8300HD, sammy LN52A860


PS: I will post the version of the 8300hd once I read thought and figure out how to get it

What is the exact make and model of the remote that came with it. I've seen different models lately.

http://www.urcsupport.com/

Have you tried 1395 ?

As for the interference, be sure you have new alkaline batteries installed. Push the DVR back into the cabinet beyond the "plane" of the TV's display panel. Maybe put a little "blinder" on the 8300's IR eye. Possibly, move the DVR further away from the TV. Also, see this thread ...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063783&page=91

and here:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1063783&page=98

Anyone know why I have to re-select the dolby digital sound setting every time I switch inputs on my tv. HDMI direct to tv from SA8300, digital audio out to pioneer reciever.

Ok i got a samsung 50 inch HDTV Model A450

I had got no color when watching anything on DVR or cable broadcast, i have a time warner Explorer 8300HDC, have had this model now for about 9 months working fine and the problem started while watching a DVR show.

Now I also have a PS3 and a Wii and they both work fine and there is color so I know my TV is working properly, I was so nervous my TV was going to need to be repaired.

so i switched HDMI cables around and what port the cable box is plugged into and also tried using comp cables and still it keeps showing up with no color and mostly the screen is just all white

The fix ultimately was to reboot the box, I have never ever seen this before. I am wondering if i should just exchange the box or wait for it to happen again?

Has anyone seen this with their 8300 boxes?

I've had weird things happen that are cleared up with a reboot. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens on a regular basis.

Ok i got a samsung 50 inch HDTV Model A450

I had got no color when watching anything on DVR or cable broadcast, i have a time warner Explorer 8300HDC, have had this model now for about 9 months working fine and the problem started while watching a DVR show.

Now I also have a PS3 and a Wii and they both work fine and there is color so I know my TV is working properly, I was so nervous my TV was going to need to be repaired.

so i switched HDMI cables around and what port the cable box is plugged into and also tried using comp cables and still it keeps showing up with no color and mostly the screen is just all white

The fix ultimately was to reboot the box, I have never ever seen this before. I am wondering if i should just exchange the box or wait for it to happen again?

Has anyone seen this with their 8300 boxes?

Ok i got a samsung 50 inch HDTV Model A450

I had got no color when watching anything on DVR or cable broadcast, i have a time warner Explorer 8300HDC, have had this model now for about 9 months working fine and the problem started while watching a DVR show.

Now I also have a PS3 and a Wii and they both work fine and there is color so I know my TV is working properly, I was so nervous my TV was going to need to be repaired.

so i switched HDMI cables around and what port the cable box is plugged into and also tried using comp cables and still it keeps showing up with no color and mostly the screen is just all white

The fix ultimately was to reboot the box, I have never ever seen this before. I am wondering if i should just exchange the box or wait for it to happen again?

Has anyone seen this with their 8300 boxes?

No, I haven't seen that exactly. However, the other day (2 months back) my father-in-laws 8240hdc had no sound at all (like yours ... like a cable was disconnected). I tried all the menu options and even a new cable. A reboot fixed it and it's been working since. Might only be the "C" models that do this. I've learned, no matter what strange thing the SA-DVRs are doing, always try a reboot first.

I've had weird things happen that are cleared up with a reboot. I wouldn't worry about it unless it happens on a regular basis.

No, I haven't seen that exactly. However, the other day (2 months back) my father-in-laws 8240hdc had no sound at all (like yours ... like a cable was disconnected). I tried all the menu options and even a new cable. A reboot fixed it and it's been working since. Might only be the "C" models that do this. I've learned, no matter what strange thing the SA-DVRs are doing, always try a reboot first.

thanks all, guess reboot is #1 rule just like windows PC's

It is a PITA for me to get to the back of my Panasonic V10, so I need to know the answer to this question before making any changes.

When I have company, I like to have music channels' music play through my surround system without having the TV on. Interestingly, and this is a known fact, if one goes HDMI cable box (SA8300 HDC) to TV and optical coax cable box to AVR (my AVR has no HDMI input), although the TV and the surround sound will work fine, TURNING OFF the TV but leaving the cable box and AVR on will (within a few seconds) turn the cable box OFF. In other words, when using an HDMI connection, one must always leave the TV on to get sound. To overcome this deficiency (that is, to listen to broadcast sound with the TV off) I had to run component cables from the box to the TV.

Ah, as for my question (which I think I know the answer to): If I keep the component cable as is and also run HDMI from the box to an HDMI slot on the TV, will I now be able to listen to music with the TV off when using component mode; and will I be able to watch TV with surround sound when in the HDMI mode?

And while I'm at it, will the HDMI mode give me any better PQ than the component mode? From what I've read in the past, I think that there will probably be no difference in PQ.

It is a PITA for me to get to the back of my Panasonic V10, so I need to know the answer to this question before making any changes.

When I have company, I like to have music channels' music play through my surround system without having the TV on. Interestingly, and this is a known fact, if one goes HDMI cable box (SA8300 HDC) to TV and optical coax cable box to AVR (my AVR has no HDMI input), although the TV and the surround sound will work fine, TURNING OFF the TV but leaving the cable box and AVR on will (within a few seconds) turn the cable box OFF. In other words, when using an HDMI connection, one must always leave the TV on to get sound. To overcome this deficiency (that is, to listen to broadcast sound with the TV off) I had to run component cables from the box to the TV.

Ah, as for my question (which I think I know the answer to): If I keep the component cable as is and also run HDMI from the box to an HDMI slot on the TV, will I now be able to listen to music with the TV off when using component mode; and will I be able to watch TV with surround sound when in the HDMI mode?

And while I'm at it, will the HDMI mode give me any better PQ than the component mode? From what I've read in the past, I think that there will probably be no difference in PQ.

First, your "known fact", I don't agree with. I have HDMI from box (SA 8300HD/DVR) to TV and a digital coax from box to AVR. It doesn't matter if TV is on or off and my box does not shut off in this situation. I don't know why your box shuts off. I also prefer listening to Music Choice without any video.

I have attempted in the past to hook up both component/audio and HDMI from box to seperate inputs on the TV at the same time and get no audio from either. This was tested for another reason not for what your situation is.

I tried both component and HDMI from box to TV (Sony XBR-LCD) and I found that the video quality of the HDMI far surpassed the component.

It is a PITA for me to get to the back of my Panasonic V10, so I need to know the answer to this question before making any changes.

When I have company, I like to have music channels' music play through my surround system without having the TV on. Interestingly, and this is a known fact, if one goes HDMI cable box (SA8300 HDC) to TV and optical coax cable box to AVR (my AVR has no HDMI input), although the TV and the surround sound will work fine, TURNING OFF the TV but leaving the cable box and AVR on will (within a few seconds) turn the cable box OFF. In other words, when using an HDMI connection, one must always leave the TV on to get sound. To overcome this deficiency (that is, to listen to broadcast sound with the TV off) I had to run component cables from the box to the TV.

Ah, as for my question (which I think I know the answer to): If I keep the component cable as is and also run HDMI from the box to an HDMI slot on the TV, will I now be able to listen to music with the TV off when using component mode; and will I be able to watch TV with surround sound when in the HDMI mode?

And while I'm at it, will the HDMI mode give me any better PQ than the component mode? From what I've read in the past, I think that there will probably be no difference in PQ.

I am curious why your 8300HDC was turning off. Did it turn off if you disconnected the optical connection?

I have an 8300 HDC and recently changed from component video to HDMI video via a new amp. There is a noticeable improvement in picture quality on my 61" DLP.

I also like to use cable audio without turning on the TV. I have had no problems with my current HMDI connection and my previous optical audio component video setup.

First, your "known fact", I don't agree with. I have HDMI from box (SA 8300HD/DVR) to TV and a digital coax from box to AVR. It doesn't matter if TV is on or off and my box does not shut off in this situation. I don't know why your box shuts off. I also prefer listening to Music Choice without any video.
And you'd be right. AFAIK, this problem is caused by the TV not completely powering down the HDMI connection. This results in an HDCP handshaking error that eventually turns off the DVR. Other TVs and some HDMI switchers completely turn off the power to the HDMI connection and therefore do not exhibit this problem.

I have attempted in the past to hook up both component/audio and HDMI from box to seperate inputs on the TV at the same time and get no audio from either. This was tested for another reason not for what your situation is.
As long as an HDMI connection remains "active", the Component connection will not work. Both used to be active at the same time, but somewhere along the line the firmware was changed.

I tried both component and HDMI from box to TV (Sony XBR-LCD) and I found that the video quality of the HDMI far surpassed the component.

This all depends on the setup, but if the TV is relatively new (or digital), HDMI will probably provide a better PQ.

Several people have resolved this problem by adding as HDMI switcher to the mix which effectively shuts off all power to the HDMI connection when the TV is off. Unfortunately, I do not have any brand or model switcher to recommend.

OK folks, here's the answer. 2XDAZ is most correct and wdsnls is somewhat. There is a problem getting sound while the tV is off if one is using HDMI...WITH CERTAIN, but not all TVs. My Panny is one of the TVs that does have this problem (wdsnls' Sony doesn't) and it is due, at least in my case, to a setting within the TV that allows for the use of Viera Link. I need to turn the CEC off when using HDMI so that the box won't go off when I turn the TV off.

As for component vs HDMI and PQ, now that I can swap out the component for the HDMI, I can't wait to see if I see a difference. I've been using tweaked CO1's calibration (no SM entrance) and have been very satisfied with the picture except for some minor blowing of the whites and for the reds not quite being accurate.

it is due, at least in my case, to a setting within the TV that allows for the use of Viera Link. I need to turn the CEC off when using HDMI so that the box won't go off when I turn the TV off.


That's a good point, the stuff that allows TVs to link with other devices from the same maker could be what is leaving the HDMI connection "hot". It's certainly worth trying to turn that off, if you can, before resorting to HDMI switchers or Component.

I would venture to guess that most TVs, even my CRT, would benefit from using HDMI vs Component. I just think the improvement isn't worth the HDMI hassles in many of cases. YMMV, so it's always worth trying, something I always recommend.

The saga continues. I have spoken top two technically well versed Panasonic concierge folks and they both came up the same solution: Turn off the Viera Link when using HDMI. Well, I unhooked my component cable (BTW when both component and HDMI are used, only the HDMI input would give sound and picture...has to do with cable box priorities) and hooked in the HDMI. Guess what? NG, No Good! It's not the box that turns off, it is just the sound. They think that the problem lies with the SA8300. Whenever I speak to Comcast about this, it comes down to them wanting to send out a tech. What's the tech going to do that I can't do with some instruction???

So, I've opted to forego entertainment sound without the TV on using HDMI. BTW, although I thought I had very PQ with components, it appears that the PQ has been improved upon with the HDMI.

The saga continues. I have spoken top two technically well versed Panasonic concierge folks and they both came up the same solution: Turn off the Viera Link when using HDMI. Well, I unhooked my component cable (BTW when both component and HDMI are used, only the HDMI input would give sound and picture...has to do with cable box priorities) and hooked in the HDMI. Guess what? NG, No Good! It's not the box that turns off, it is just the sound. They think that the problem lies with the SA8300. Whenever I speak to Comcast about this, it comes down to them wanting to send out a tech. What's the tech going to do that I can't do with some instruction???

So, I've opted to forego entertainment sound without the TV on using HDMI. BTW, although I thought I had very PQ with components, it appears that the PQ has been improved upon with the HDMI.

Yes, turn off VieraLink to stop HDMI-CEC control (power, etc.).

I just tried setting the 8300 on a TWC Music channel. Whether the TV is on or off, the music plays from the Onkyo Amp (I never use the TV speakers).

I assume you have tried adjusting the setting on the 8300 that controls how it directs the sound when using HDMI? The setting "Dolby Digital" will force the sound to one of the two SPDIF Digital Audio Ports (even if HDMI is hooked up). Of course, in this config. (HDMI capable amp. as the heart of the system), I don't use that setting.

My system. Notice the Onkyo 607 is the "system controller".

Panasonic TH-46pz850u 46" 1080p Plasma TV
Onkyo TX-sr607 HDMI Audio/Video Receiver (630 watts)
Scientific Altanta DVR 8300HD
Panasonic DVD-s35 DVD Player (Progressive Scan)
MediaPortal HTPC Media Server Computer

Infinity BU-2 Amplified SubWoofer (100 watts)
JBL N26II Northridge 6" 2-way (L/R Speakers)
JBL SC305 5"x2 2-way (Center Channel Speaker)
JBL G100 5" 2-way (L/R Surround Speakers)
JBL J900mv 8" 3-way Tower (Back Surround Speaker)

APC UPS-500 Battery/Surge (for TV, DVR, and DVD)
Antec Veris Audio/Video Component Cooler (for Onkyo)
Smart Strip LCG5 Power Strip (controls Veris unit with Onkyo)

Wiring Notes:
Plasma via HDMI to Onkyo Amp (HDMI Out)
DVR via HDMI to Onkyo Amp
DVD via Component/Optical to Onkyo Amp
HTPC via RGB to TV and Optical to Amp
- HTPC is only device using a Video-In on TV (other than Amp)
HTPC and TV via CAT5 to router
Speaker Cable is 12 AWG and BananaJacks
Infinity Sub to Onkyo PreOut via Coax

The saga continues.

Well, as I said, it all depends on your setup, particularly the TV. Too bad this didn't work out for you, it was a good idea.

Now, folks can blame the 8300, but that doesn't help. The fact is things work fine with some TVs, so placing "all" blame on the 8300 is not really fair IMHO. I will say that I assume the HDMI standards allow for the connection to be left "hot", so software designers at Cisco should have accounted for that. Surely someone at Cisco is smart enough to know that some folks would like to listen to cable music channels without having the TV on, risking possible burn-in, etc. Unfortunately, it doesn't look like they are/were, so my opinion of Cisco has weakened over time, not that they care. Of course, this was all Scientific-Atlanta, so maybe Cisco will care if they ever go retail and expect me to actually buy their products, especially their software. In any event, the software's days are numbered, so there is no doubt northing is going to get fixed.

Yes, turn off VieraLink to stop HDMI-CEC control (power, etc.).

I just tried setting the 8300 on a TWC Music channel. Whether the TV is on or off, the music plays from the Onkyo Amp (I never use the TV speakers).

I assume you have tried adjusting the setting on the 8300 that controls how it directs the sound when using HDMI? The setting "Dolby Digital" will force the sound to one of the two SPDIF Digital Audio Ports (even if HDMI is hooked up). Of course, in this config. (HDMI capable amp. as the heart of the system), I don't use that setting.

My system. Notice the Onkyo 607 is the "system controller".


OK, let's continue to hunt down the problem with a little more detail. Yamaha AVR, no HDMI input/output on Yammy. Optical dig out from STB to AVR. Analog L/R RCAs from STB to TV for times when I don't want to listen through the AVR. HDMI from STB to TV. STB Audio set on HDMI or Digital or Other, makes no difference-no sound when TV is off in all cases. CEC is off. According to the Panny tech, all my sound settings on the TV are correct for receiving sound via STB to Yammy with TV off. He believes that the STB is the culprit.

Here's exactly what happens when I try to listen to a music channel with TV off: TV, Yammy and STB are on. Choose a music channel, music comes via Yammy while TV is still on. Turn TV off, music plays for about 3-4 seconds through Yammy, there is a "click" sound and at the same time the display on the STB gives a very quick and slight "flicker," sound now off...STB and Yammy still on. It is the click and the flicker that lead me to also believe that the problem lies within the STB. That's about all I can say. Your turn....

It is the click and the flicker that lead me to also believe that the problem lies within the STB. That's about all I can say. Your turn....

From what others have said, I believe if you had another TV connected to the STB via composite or analog video, you'd see the HDCP error generated when you turn the HDTV off. In fact, I think someone posted an image of this a long time ago. Anyway, the TV is leaving a signal of some sort on the HDMI connection, causing the STB to "think" the TV is still on. However, since there is no longer a video signal, the HDCP handshake fails and the STB shuts down, or at least turns off the audio.

Like I said, some folks have placed an HDMI switcher between the STB and TV. This effectively blocks the complete signal, so there is no HDCP check/failure and the STB remains on. Others simply use Component and don't worry about it. It all depends on how much of a difference there is in PQ or how much they worry about TV life/burn-in (CRTs/plasmas). There could still be a way for you to change a setting in the TV to solve this, but it sure looks like you've tried everything you can. Interesting to see if you can come up with something.

NOTE: If it were only the STB, why do other TVs work just fine in this situation? Because they don't leave a stray signal on the HDMI port. Like I said, I assume Cisco could take care of it on their end, after all, other STB makers seem to cope with it. Unfortunately, there is no incentive for Cisco to do so at this point and I don't see anyone forcing them to "fix" it. Just another reason why cableco's generally don't support HDMI.

OK, let's continue to hunt down the problem with a little more detail. Yamaha AVR, no HDMI input/output on Yammy. Optical dig out from STB to AVR. Analog L/R RCAs from STB to TV for times when I don't want to listen through the AVR. HDMI from STB to TV. STB Audio set on HDMI or Digital or Other, makes no difference-no sound when TV is off in all cases. CEC is off. According to the Panny tech, all my sound settings on the TV are correct for receiving sound via STB to Yammy with TV off. He believes that the STB is the culprit.

Here's exactly what happens when I try to listen to a music channel with TV off: TV, Yammy and STB are on. Choose a music channel, music comes via Yammy while TV is still on. Turn TV off, music plays for about 3-4 seconds through Yammy, there is a "click" sound and at the same time the display on the STB gives a very quick and slight "flicker," sound now off...STB and Yammy still on. It is the click and the flicker that lead me to also believe that the problem lies within the STB. That's about all I can say. Your turn....

Ok, well I see you are using the TV as the heart of your system (unlike me now) , but …

Try disconnecting the analog L/R from the TV. Either you want the sound to go to the Amp. or you don’t. Plus, wouldn’t the sound get there via the HDMI ? (I think that’s what the Auto setting is for).

Sound setting on the 8300 should be set to Dolby Digital (to send to amp via SPDIF always) … again, I think you have to decide. Create a simpler wiring setup, get to work the way you want, and then slowly start changing things one at a time (rechecking every function before moving on).

Try using Digital Coax to the Amp instead of Optical. I doubt it will make a difference, but that’s what I used to use when hooked up that way.

If you still can’t get the HDMI to work the way you want … Since the 8300 only outputs 720p max, (be sure it’s set to 720p … the V10 will upscale to 1080p) and use a short Component cable to TV (and a digital to Amp). When I had my old (non-HDMI) amp, I had it hooked up this way and it worked fine. It looked great, and sound always went to the Amp and it didn’t matter if the TV was on or off.

I think you might have to decide between:
1. Ever so slightly better display via HDMI.
2. Being able to turn the TV off and being able to use the TV speakers when on.

While Component is the old way (and analog) remember that VGA is analog and you can run some crazy high res. over VGA and it looks great. 720p native is considered HD (I'll take 720p over 1080i any day). Be sure you are testing it on a real HD cable channel.

When 2 HDMI devices are connected together, they will always handshake and negotiate what to do with the video/audio. There might be some flickering and clicking but this is normal. Be sure you have downloaded the latest firmware for your Panasonic V10 plasma.

Ok, well I see you are using the TV as the heart of your system (unlike me now) , but …

Try disconnecting the analog L/R from the TV. Either you want the sound to go to the Amp. or you don’t. Plus, wouldn’t the sound get there via the HDMI ? (I think that’s what the Auto setting is for).

Sound setting on the 8300 should be set to Dolby Digital (to send to amp via SPDIF always) … again, I think you have to decide. Create a simpler wiring setup, get to work the way you want, and then slowly start changing things one at a time (rechecking every function before moving on).

Try using Digital Coax to the Amp instead of Optical. I doubt it will make a difference, but that’s what I used to use when hooked up that way.

If you still can’t get the HDMI to work the way you want … Since the 8300 only outputs 720p max, (be sure it’s set to 720p … the V10 will upscale to 1080p) and use a short Component cable to TV (and a digital to Amp). When I had my old (non-HDMI) amp, I had it hooked up this way and it worked fine. It looked great, and sound always went to the Amp and it didn’t matter if the TV was on or off.

I think you might have to decide between:
1. Ever so slightly better display via HDMI.
2. Being able to turn the TV off and being able to use the TV speakers when on.

While Component is the old way (and analog) remember that VGA is analog and you can run some crazy high res. over VGA and it looks great. 720p native is considered HD (I'll take 720p over 1080i any day). Be sure you are testing it on a real HD cable channel.

When 2 HDMI devices are connected together, they will always handshake and negotiate what to do with the video/audio. There might be some flickering and clicking but this is normal. Be sure you have downloaded the latest firmware for your Panasonic V10 plasma.

A lot of great advice, but too late to impliment. Will check things out tomorrow.

EDIT: It is now tomorrow and I have tried everything, all to no avail in terms of having cable supplied music without the TV being on. And, BTW, I do not implicate the SA8300 here, but do agree that the problem lies within the Panny not allowing HDMI to "let go." But, all is not lost in that I ahve replaced the component cables with HDMI and get what I think is a superior picutre across all channels. Also, I have set the STB's audio to Digital (rather than to HDMI) and the sound through my AVR is really good.

But, now I can't get sound from the TV (some times I don't turn on the AVR and would like to have sound through the TV's speakers). If I choose Audio/HDMI rather than Digital, I will get sound from both my AVR and from the TV, but the AVR produced sound quality becomes inferior to what it was when in the Digital mode. Thus, unless anyone can help[ me here, I will remain on Audio/Digital and use just my AVR for sound.