Johnny: Thanks for clarifying this. Let me ask you, does the Oppo send 480i over DVI, or can it only do progressive?

So let's see, the perfect DVD player for me...

- outputs (upscales?) all signals to 576i
- plays NTSC and PAL
- Supports Divx

Is there such a player?

The Oppo does not send 480i over DVI

Paul

So let's see, the perfect DVD player for me...

- outputs (upscales?) all signals to 576i
- plays NTSC and PAL
- Supports Divx

Is there such a player?

Yup. The Oppo can do this over component. :)

Yup. The Oppo can do this over component. :)

How are we over 2200 posts into this thread and we still get responses that say the Oppo can scale over component!!!??? It can't. Only scales (and to 480p, 720p, 1080i and soon 540p) on DVI-D. Am I missing an inside joke here?

Ted

Shimmering really bother me. I see it on almost every movie. Not just badly mastered movie. Star Wars 2 AOTC is one exemple, The Incredibles etc.

Any news when a firmware would fixed it? Can it really be fix? I'm at the point were i'm thinking of selling it.

Bruno

ted_b,
I never said the Oppo upscales over component. I said it will play divx, play pal and ntsc, and does 576i over component.

I realize that the Oppo cannot output 480i over DVI, but how is the analog 480i output over component? Given the Secrets benchmark score, I assume the MPEG decoder is a good performer. Would the 480i component outputs be a good candidate for something like the iScan?

ted_b,
I never said the Oppo upscales over component. I said it will play divx, play pal and ntsc, and does 576i over component.

I'm sorry, 576i over component? I thought 480i...oh well, sorry

Ted

I realize that the Oppo cannot output 480i over DVI, but how is the analog 480i output over component? Given the Secrets benchmark score, I assume the MPEG decoder is a good performer. Would the 480i component outputs be a good candidate for something like the iScan?

When I tried it, it wasn't nearly as good as my Toshiba 3900 at 480i. It seems everything on this player is geared towards the DVI output, and the other outputs are mediocre.

I'm sorry, 576i over component? I thought 480i...oh well, sorry

Ted

Yup, the Oppo does both 480i and 576i over component. You have to press the P/N button to toggle between NTSC/PAL/Auto.

I have tested this last night and can confirm that the OPPO only does 480i(NTSC) & 576i(PAL) on component. In terms of PQ, the component out is no better or worst then another player within this price range. I compared this with my old Sony dvd player which has component out and i couldnt tell the difference between the two on 576i signals to my NEC plasma.

DVI-D outputs 480p, 576p, 720p and 1080i. But somewhere on this thread i did read that in the next firmware it will be 480p / 576p from the component out. Please correct me if i'm wrong.

Any suggestions??? The Oppo was playing Pal DVD's on my system and now just stopped. Yes I tried all of the settings and the code and still no luck. Help please I am a non technical person so help.

Thanks, Seline

Every Divx file I've played with a 'scope' (ultra-wide) aspect ratio of 2.35 plays back overly stretched vertically - basically filling the screen of my 16:9 display.

Is there a way to get it to play back at the proper aspect ratio, i.e. scruch & letterbox it verticaly?

Hi-

Is there a way to get it to play back at the proper aspect ratio...?

None that I know of, and I've tried everything I could think of.

I was driving to work today and noticed a Ford truck behind me. The grille had very closely spaced lines in it. Guess what? It was shimmering like crazy! Could it be that the human eye is tricked into seeing shimmering when it obviously isn't there? The lines in the grille aren't really moving. Something to think about - maybe we may never be able to completely get rid of shimmering and perhaps all we can do is minimize it.

No, it's not your eyes - other players do not exhibit this shimmering.

I was driving to work today and noticed a Ford truck behind me. The grille had very closely spaced lines in it. Guess what? It was shimmering like crazy! Could it be that the human eye is tricked into seeing shimmering when it obviously isn't there? The lines in the grille aren't really moving. Something to think about - maybe we may never be able to completely get rid of shimmering and perhaps all we can do is minimize it.

If you had Denon brand eyes, you would see no shimmer artifacts. It's because you went with the $200 Oppo brand that you're experiencing this phenomenon. Did you notice any macroblocking on the truck?

The reported problems do not occur all the time but require certain circumstances.

No player is perfect, all players have issues given certain circumstances.

If one watches those certain circumstances 100% of the time, then all players will have a problem 100% of the time.

Paul

Paul, do you have an eta of new firmware??

No date has been announced. Keep watching the Oppo DV971H support page.

Paul

No, it's not your eyes - other players do not exhibit this shimmering.

He said he was driving, not watching TV.

Jon.

Nope, no macroblocking on the truck. My point was if you can see phenomena like this with your own eyes, it could explain some of the difficulty in accurately filming and displaying such scenes too. I haven't purchased the Oppo yet.

He said he was driving, not watching TV.

Jon.
Hee! :)

Well, sure, but the point I was making is that the same DVD that doesn't shimmer on other DVD players exhibits shimmering on the Oppo, and the savvy people reviewing this player in this thread know the difference between a trick of the eye and a technical flaw.

But the point Scott is making is quite valid. Possibly, in some occasions, the Oppo is so accurately depicting the image that it is capable of reproducing visual distortions that exist in nature with regards to the human eye, and how our brains process the image. That being said, tech support for Oppo responded to me this morning that they are aware of the problem and expect a fix in the future. I'm going to order Oppo today and see how it works on my GW, and hope a fix is in the near future, though the 30 day return policy is key on this discission.

Criss

I tried searching this thread for like an hour yesterday so please don't yell. :) How do you get the picture to fill the screen? I've tried 3 different dvd's (Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2004,To Live and Die in LA, and Firefly). All of them have bars on all 4 side of the picture, but not letterbox bars-more like an overscan/underscan thing. It is hooked through DVI. I would estimate about 3-4% of the pixels are not being used.

DVD PLAYER SETTINGS:
wide
ntsc

Z2(720hp) SETTINGS:
True
I've tried both pcdigital and the hdcp thing.

The Sayno doesn't let you change from true, it just gives you a yellow exclamation point. Anyone know how to fix this? I am surprised because HD cable shows up fine. Also, I'm pretty sure the dvd player is set up for 720p because I chose the setting after "480pscan" but there doesn't seem to be an onscreen message for 720p/1080i. It just seems broke.
Thanks-Jeffrey

Phantasm, it sounds like the DVD player is set up correctly, but try hitting the "DVI" button on the remote to switch resolution settings just in case.

There may be an issue with the Sanyo. Is this the first DVD player you've hooked up to it?

More and more i really appreciate this site and all of its helpful info.....

Phantasm, it sounds like the DVD player is set up correctly, but try hitting the "DVI" button on the remote to switch resolution settings just in case.

There may be an issue with the Sanyo. Is this the first DVD player you've hooked up to it?

Also try using the 480i component out and see if you get a full screen. Don't worry about PQ. Just see if the screen goes full.
Javry

Josh.
Thanks for the reply. I tried it and now it does state the it's in 720p. Still,the lines are there. Others have said this works fine with the Z2.
This is the first through the DVI port. I previously had a panny rp-91 the component with no problems.
Thanks-Jeff

Josh,
Actually I did have a pc hooked up with an ATI card/powestrip through the DVI port.
Thanks-Jeff

just out of curiosity, is there anything in your TVs setup that needs to be changed when you go DVI?
Javry

Javry,
Not really, you just have to change inputs. There is the option of pc-digital or av-hdcp which both appear to have the same effect. I'll try the component thing in a bit and let you know.
Thanks-Jeffrey

is this the same rich malloy i'm thinking of from "the other forum"? ;)

super-ted

Javry,
Running it through the component, the picture is displayed correctly,filling the pixels. With the Z2 being in "true" mode over DVI, it is just displaying how many pixels it has to work with. By this I mean "true" just passes the signal as is. So it would seem that the edge pixels are getting thrown out.
Thanks-Jeffrey

Okay....that would mean it's certainly not the TV. Have you tried using a different display setting in to Oppo other than wide?
Javry

Javry,
I've tried all 4 modes none of them fix it. Thanks for your help. I've contacted oppo support. Hopefully they have seen this.
Thanks-Jeff

one more thing while waiting for an answer from Oppo.....and BTW, they're pretty good about prompt replies. Having not seen the PJ, there's a review of it on Secrets:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_2/sanyo-z2-projector-5-2004-part-1.html (http://http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_11_2/sanyo-z2-projector-5-2004-part-1.html)

The review shows a display menu that allows you to switch between display formats. The format at the top of the menu says "Full". Is this what you have? If so, have you tried going through the various display formats?
Javry

I have. It's lock to "true" mode. I am unable to cycle through the modes in DVI. I think that is just the way it is. I will check the manual though.
Thanks again!

How is the sound quality on CD playback? On DVD Audio?

And, does anyone know if there are plans to release a version that plays SACD?

Can someone help me out.

I received my Oppo player today.

It has firmware version: OP971-5-0514 Region 1

This firmware is not listed on their website's support page. I don't even see a link to upgrade to firmware: OP971-2-0412.

This must be an old firmware as the setup menu doesn't even have Hue, Gamma, etc. settings.

So far the colors are off and it shimmers.

Please advise........

I think 0514 is the newest firmware, for May 14th.

No firmware has yet been released with Hue or Gamma adjustment, though both have been promised.

that sounds right. Since you just bought the player, I'll bet you have the latest firmware. That's typically what they do. BTW, you can always use the 9210 routine to change from "Region 1" to "Region Free". Otherwise, sit back, relax, and enjoy your new player.
Javry

:confused: I recieved my Oppo yesterday, hooked it up last night and played a couple of things just to make sure it worked. I have a Sony KP51ws520. I tried to switch to 1080i and no go! No biggy, I downloaded the firmware 5.7.05 and verified it had a 935.bin file and attempted to upgrade my player. I put the disc in and never got past load in the window. I waited approx 20 min just to be sure I wasn't being too anxious and nothing changed. Thinking maybe I was a dumbass I ejected the disc to make sure I didn't put it in upside down or something really stupid!! I had it in right, so I try again, same results but this time I waited even longer. I hit eject and out pops my disc, after I got the disc out the drawer closed by itself and now I get no function from my player at all. I have a power light, when I turn it on the blue lights come on and that is it. I cannot open the drawer and buttons on player as well as the remote do not do anything!! I have already sent an email to Oppo and will call them in the am. Has anybody else had this same experience?? From what I saw last night the pic was much better then my old Pioneer, but in the last five years it has never failed me. thanx in advance.

Might try unplugging the player for a few minutes, burn a new disc using the slowest speed while it's unplugged, plug the player back in, and retry.

Paul

I erroneously thought firmware #: OP971-5-0514 was an OLD firmware.

Since the website says their firmware version: OP971-2-0412 is the latest, I flashed my new player with this.

RESULT: now the remote control codes won't work dammit!

QUESTION: Is there any way to flash the player with my old firmware (OP971-5-0514) since it seems to be the latest one apparently? I need the old ISO file, but can't find it on their website. Is anyone hosting a mirror for the old firmwares?

Any suggestions?..........

I erroneously thought firmware #: OP971-5-0514 was an OLD firmware.

Since the website says their firmware version: OP971-2-0412 is the latest, I flashed my new player with this.

RESULT: now the remote control codes won't work dammit!

QUESTION: Is there any way to flash the player with my old firmware (OP971-5-0514) since it seems to be the latest one apparently? I need the old ISO file, but can't find it on their website. Is anyone hosting a mirror for the old firmwares?

Any suggestions?..........

Why isn't 514 on their site? I can understand how one might think this isn't the latest (although typically a higher number means a newer version) I wonder what this fixed?

maybe they havent posted up the new firmware...as far as i know there was a new update being worked and was due sometime this month...supposed to have solved the lip sync and shimmering issues from memory..

...well, it seems the brain dump has migrated to this thread... and what does it take for this player to warrant a sticky? cummon, moderators...:)

continue to use the player in lieu of my RP-82 as I give it a good workout. I've experienced some oddness with the front panel, some lack-of-response when using the front buttons to, say, play or eject the disc. I use the remote, of course, but often from power off I like to just hit eject while I'm standing in front of the unit.

Also, I've noticed that the LCD display goes blank after a while, with pause, FF, whatever not bringing it back. I've yet to dig into the manual to look for whether or not there's a setting on the remote for this, but I thought I'd put it out there. And, no, I'm not talking about the blue "highlights" - them I know how to turn off in setup, and they stay on while the display itself is blank. Weird.

I was testing out some more divx on the oppo tonight. Many played fine. Some issues I did see was that on some divx files using idx/sub, the picture will begin to roll on some subs and not roll when switching to another sub. Of course, there's also the aspect ratio problem thats been mentioned a few times. The oppo will stretch all video files to full size and does not maintain the aspect ratio of the file.

I emailed Oppo about the OP971-5-0514 firmware issue. This is what they said:

OP971-5-0514 is the latest version of the firmware which incorporates the May 7th hot fit in addition to supporting the new and improved version of the remote.

They said they'll comment on this on their website tomorrow....

Watched Mary J Blige Live at the House of Blues and it too was slightly out on the sync.

It seems to be a bit of a problem with my unit, thats a few titles now that have played up like this.. :(

:confused: I recieved my Oppo yesterday, hooked it up last night and played a couple of things just to make sure it worked. I have a Sony KP51ws520. I tried to switch to 1080i and no go! No biggy, I downloaded the firmware 5.7.05 and verified it had a 935.bin file and attempted to upgrade my player. I put the disc in and never got past load in the window. I waited approx 20 min just to be sure I wasn't being too anxious and nothing changed. Thinking maybe I was a dumbass I ejected the disc to make sure I didn't put it in upside down or something really stupid!! I had it in right, so I try again, same results but this time I waited even longer. I hit eject and out pops my disc, after I got the disc out the drawer closed by itself and now I get no function from my player at all. I have a power light, when I turn it on the blue lights come on and that is it. I cannot open the drawer and buttons on player as well as the remote do not do anything!! I have already sent an email to Oppo and will call them in the am. Has anybody else had this same experience?? From what I saw last night the pic was much better then my old Pioneer, but in the last five years it has never failed me. thanx in advance.

I to had firmware update problem and it turned out that my Adware/pop up killer was not allowing the bin file to burn correctly for security reasons. I just turned them off and the problem was solved. It burned correct and loaded properly :)

Opps sorry I should have explained the file was downloaded to my computer correctly and after the cd failed on the Oppo I did a properties check on the ISO bin file and IN the properties box was a SECURITY BOX that was CHECKED that stated some parts of the file were tagged as a security RISK. I UN-CHECK the box and re-burned the file and all was well.

How is the sound quality on CD playback? On DVD Audio?

And, does anyone know if there are plans to release a version that plays SACD? EXCELLENT sound quality on CD and DVD-A. No plans for SACD.

Gary

...somewhere on this thread i did read that in the next firmware it will be 480p / 576p from the component out. Please correct me if i'm wrong. No. Progressive cannot be supported on the component output.

Gary

Any suggestions??? The Oppo was playing Pal DVD's on my system and now just stopped. Yes I tried all of the settings and the code and still no luck. Help please I am a non technical person so help. Seline,

You'd have to give us more detail than that. What do you mean by "stopped"? What actually occurred? What did you see? Did it stop just that once, or has it stopped playing for good? Has it only stopped playing PAL? What do you mean by "tried... the code"?

Gary

Watched Mary J Blige Live at the House of Blues and it too was slightly out on the sync.

It seems to be a bit of a problem with my unit, thats a few titles now that have played up like this.. :( No, its not your unit. Its a known defect with the Faroudja processor. Oppo is working on it.

Gary

maybe they havent posted up the new firmware...as far as i know there was a new update being worked and was due sometime this month...supposed to have solved the lip sync and shimmering issues from memory.. No. Oppo is working on those issues, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they will be able to fix them in this month's release.

Gary

Oppo has released the following statement about the OP971-5-0514 firmware:

"We have started to ship the OPPO player with an improved version of the remote control whose keys are supposed to be easier to press. There is also an accompanying firmware (OP971-5-0514) which supports the new remote and incorporates the May 7th hot fix. Funtional and feature wise, it is no different from OP971-4-0412. There is no need for the installed base to upgrade to OP971-5-0514." Gary

The Secrets guys are pretty explicit about what they are attempting to do with the Shootout. They are measuring very specific criteria of video performance. If people place undue emphasis on the results, I don't see that as Secrets' fault.

As for the Oppo, it achieved the score it did for one reason, and one reason only. It passed the various core performance and deinterlacing tests that Kris threw at it. Whether there should be an additional category for subjective things like, "People on the forums have noticed X,Y and Z problems" can be debated, but with respect to the tests performed by Secrets, the Oppo deserves exactly the score it received. Whether that score will translate into a picture or performance that meets an individual's needs is a question the individual will have to answer.

What's been really interesting about this and other players is the variations we see when finally viewing material through our individual systems (displays and audio). Seems that, due to lack of standards, or implementation thereof, we're not obtaining any common film experience. I'm wondering if the Secrets folks ought to broaden their testing. Problem is: what would that be? I guess they could use the Oppo as the benchmark and then test displays to find out their issues. Wouldn't that be "eye opening" (sorry for the pun).

I think Kris is doing exactly that (or something like it). I've always liked Stereophile's review format, that includes both an "objective" measurements based assessment alongside an additional subjective "setup and listen to music" assessment.

What's been really interesting about this and other players is the variations we see when finally viewing material through our individual systems (displays and audio). Seems that, due to lack of standards, or implementation thereof, we're not obtaining any common film experience. I'm wondering if the Secrets folks ought to broaden their testing. Problem is: what would that be? I guess they could use the Oppo as the benchmark and then test displays to find out their issues. Wouldn't that be "eye opening" (sorry for the pun).

I spend an awful lot of time browsing through Secrets. And as I said earlier, Kris and crew certainly have the right to put together whatever test they like. My earlier comment wasn't to bash Secrets nor their efforts. Heck, we probably wouldn't even be talking about this player if it wasn't for them. I think we all just naturally assumed that since the review was so favorable, you could reasonably extend the acclaim to other performance metrics of the unit....even those that were outside the scope of the review. That's a tough one to call. You're kind've dammed if you do and dammed if you don't.

In all other Secrets reviews I responded to by buying a player, there was at least some parity between the reviewed metrics and the non-reviewed metrics of the player. Whether you can expect it to be that way all the time.....better heads than mine will have to make that distinction. For me, I'll continue to read the Secrets reviews......and any other review that strikes my fancy. I may me a little less reliant on them though.
Javry

The Secrets reviews provide a great objective base of information. When you add subjective evaluation, you have to be familiar with the reviewers preferences to read between the lines. I like to look at the ratings in the individual categories as well as the overall "score" in a Secrets review. The score is based on their weighting of the various categories, but yours may not be the same. For example, the lack of 2:2 pulldown or CUE may mean nothing or everything to you, so you need to evaluate the player's performance based on your own criteria. Just my 2 cents. ;)

Btw its good to know that next oppo firmware will very likely fix flickering, 2-2 cadence etc.

From the Oppo website: "If you have OP971-2-0412, or OP971-4-0430, this is NO need for you to upgrade to OP971-5-0514. Doing so will make your remote inoperable."

So....when the next firmware release comes out will those of us with 0412 or 0430 be able to upgrade to it? Will they make 2 new versions of every firmware release...one for old remotes and one for the new ones? Or will they fix the firmware to work with both remotes?

Any more info about the new remote? Is it much better? Any new functions? Can it do discrete on/off? Can old Oppo owners exchange old remote for new one?

Any more info about the new remote? Is it much better? Any new functions? Can it do discrete on/off? Can old Oppo owners exchange old remote for new one?

The new remote has the same functions as the previous remote, no more, no less. It is slightly larger and has slightly larger buttons in a different arrangement. The buttons are hard plastic rather than soft rubber. No discrete on/off, but I've been in contact with Oppo about obtaining some if possible.

Regarding future firmware updates, this one changed the codes for the new remote. Fututre firmware updates won't affect the remote codes so the same firmware should be useable by either player.

From the Oppo website: "If you have OP971-2-0412, or OP971-4-0430, this is NO need for you to upgrade to OP971-5-0514.

How do you tell if you have 412,430 or 514?

HH

I was perusing the Oppo website, and found this, trumpeted in both the frontpage specs and in the photo demo:

DCDi by Faroudja. Video is analyzed on a single pixel granularity to detect presence or absence of angled lines and edges, which are then processed to produce a smooth natural looking image without visible artifacts (jaggies).
Isn't it interesting that this is precisely what the Oppo does NOT do on many (most?) displays? I'm sure there's a good, sound, complicated reason why...but still...

- Tom

Everything you need to know about firmware (and how to check which version you have) is expalined here (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_support.html).

Isn't it interesting that this is precisely what the Oppo does NOT do? I'm sure there's a good, sound, complicated reason why...but still...

- Tom

No, the Oppo does have DCDi, which does remove jagged edges in angled lines (the flag waving scene in DVE is the classic test for this). It prevents an artifact that cann be seen quite regularly in players that don't have DCDi (and motion adaptive deinterlacing). The shimmering discussed here is a completely different artifact that is not affected by DCDi.

Isn't it interesting that this is precisely what the Oppo does NOT do on many (most?) displays? I'm sure there's a good, sound, complicated reason why...but still... MikeSRC is correct... the Faroudja (DCDi) chip does exactly what it is supposed to do (as advertised)... but true enough, the Mediatek chip occasionally counteracts the good, by introducing EE that seems to promote jaggies and shimmering on high-contrast vertical lines (seen on ALL displays).

Gary

Btw its good to know that next oppo firmware will very likely fix flickering, 2-2 cadence etc. That's currently still speculation.

Gary

Firmware Release Note June 9, 2005

OPPO OPDV971H DVI DVD Player Firmware Release Notes
Version: OP971-5-0514 Release Date: June 8, 2005

This release of firmware features:

Support for a new version of the remote control

Incorporation of the May 7th Hot Fix


This verion of firmware is functionally the same as version OP971-2-0412 thus there is NO need for you to upgrade to it.

Friendly Warnings:

If you have OP971-2-0412, or OP971-4-0430, this is NO need for you to upgrade to OP971-5-0514. Doing so will make your remote inoperable.

If you have OP971-5-0514, this is NO need for you to downgrade to version OP971-2-0412. Doing so will make your remote inoperable.

Any more info about the new remote? Is it much better?

Old on the left, new on the right.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/images/reviews/116/1118419923.jpg

Pesonally, I like the looks of the original one better.

Mike, Josh,
Thanks for the info and pics. Seems the new remote isn't a big deal. Both remotes are still lackluster for me, I was only hoping for discrete on/off so I can use on my universal remote (which everyone should be using, EVERYONE :)). Hopefully Oppo can provide us with something for this.

Fellows,

Are the firmware files only incremental updates? Now we have two versions of firmware that are incompatible. The new updates will be compatible with both?

[]'s

Filipe Rangel.

Hello,

It's already been asked of Oppo Digital, awaiting answer.

Paul

The Secrets reviews provide a great objective base of information. When you add subjective evaluation, you have to be familiar with the reviewers preferences to read between the lines. I like to look at the ratings in the individual categories as well as the overall "score" in a Secrets review. The score is based on their weighting of the various categories, but yours may not be the same. For example, the lack of 2:2 pulldown or CUE may mean nothing or everything to you, so you need to evaluate the player's performance based on your own criteria. Just my 2 cents. ;)
I think what Secrets has done is admirable. However, it's sort of like putting an engine on a block and measuring it outside of the total system, chassis, suspension, etc. You might get some great numbers but will it perform on the road? This reminds me of the spec wars those of us audiophiles experienced and continue to experience in buying separates or whole products for sound systems. In and of themselves nice measurements, but meaningless until you listen to music in a home environement.

So, it comes down to whether the Oppo and other players really comform to what we're using in the real world. Standards are not always agreed on and execution, even with products within the same company, dontcha' know, doesn't always guarantee satisfactory results. We can only hope that our community, in working with Oppo, will lead them to deliver high quality within the most important criteria we seek, both visually and acoustically. I'm optimistic, based on their track record, that they will. I can't wait to see what they come up with in the HD arena!!!

Amen to that...... Throuhghout this whole debate, Oppos customer service is probably the most outstanding part of it. A company like that almost deserves the benefit of the doubt. We all like the PQ of the player and we certainly have the numbers among us to effect a good communication avenue. So let's use it. Oppo wins because they get good honest and timely feedback on their player....and, in the end, we win by getting a darned good cost effective player.
Javry

sorry to push, anybody else notice this?


Also, I've noticed that the LCD display goes blank after a while, with pause, FF, whatever not bringing it back. I've yet to dig into the manual to look for whether or not there's a setting on the remote for this, but I thought I'd put it out there. And, no, I'm not talking about the blue "highlights" - them I know how to turn off in setup, and they stay on while the display itself is blank. Weird.

Hey All,

I'm a rookie at this so my apologies if it's a stupid question. I just purchased an Optoma H77 and am coupling it with the Oppo DV971H. Both just arrived today and I watched my first movie!

Wow!!!

Anyways, doesn't this DVD player upconvert the signal to 720p? I have it hooked through DVI but when I push the DVI button on the remote it only gives me the "Can' do that" signal which is the circle with the slash trhough it.

Or does it automatically upconvert?

Thanks!

Hey All,

I'm a rookie at this so my apologies if it's a stupid question. I just purchased an Optoma H77 and am coupling it with the Oppo DV971H. Both just arrived today and I watched my first movie!

Wow!!!

Anyways, doesn't this DVD player upconvert the signal to 720p? I have it hooked through DVI but when I push the DVI button on the remote it only gives me the "Can' do that" signal which is the circle with the slash trhough it.

Or does it automatically upconvert?

Thanks!


Hey Josh.

Stop the disc, press the dvi button to change from 480, 720 or 1080 and then press play. It will resume then.

You can only change when in "stop" mode, thats why it didnt work for you :)

Oppo has released the following statement about the OP971-5-0514 firmware:

"We have started to ship the OPPO player with an improved version of the remote control whose keys are supposed to be easier to press. There is also an accompanying firmware (OP971-5-0514) which supports the new remote and incorporates the May 7th hot fix. Funtional and feature wise, it is no different from OP971-4-0412. There is no need for the installed base to upgrade to OP971-5-0514." Gary


hey gary i was really thankful that i wasn't the only one who was plagued by the stupid divx aspect ratio problem. As abt 60% of my viewing is divx i am still eagerly awaiting the firmware which fixes this, and was terribly disappointed that the june firmware did not. any idea when these oppo engineers are gonna fix this glaring divx glitch, seeing that the divx functionality is one of the key features of this player, what with all the divx pro playback hype and all.

hope you can chase them for us. thanks

ken

hey gary i was really thankful that i wasn't the only one who was plagued by the stupid divx aspect ratio problem. As abt 60% of my viewing is divx i am still eagerly awaiting the firmware which fixes this, and was terribly disappointed that the june firmware did not. any idea when these oppo engineers are gonna fix this glaring divx glitch, seeing that the divx functionality is one of the key features of this player, what with all the divx pro playback hype and all.

hope you can chase them for us. thanks

ken

Okay Ken.....now I gotta ask. I have DivX, Dr. DivX, and DVD Decryter on my computer but that's all I've been using it on.....and I guess I'd have to admit it's not a high use item. But I do use it from time to time....especially when I want to cut a segment out of a DVD and send it to someone or post it on an FTP site. I don't think I've ever used it to watch a whole movie. What is the big deal about using it for movie watching? Is there something about it I'm missing out on?
Javry

Hey Josh.

Stop the disc, press the dvi button to change from 480, 720 or 1080 and then press play. It will resume then.

You can only change when in "stop" mode, thats why it didnt work for you :)

ditto

Just received my new Oppo which I have jacked into the dvi digital port of a Sharp LC-45GX6U. When I toogle through the different output resolutions on the Oppo the Sharp reports 480P, 720P and 540P instead of 1080i. The Sharp GX did report 1080i when a Comcast HDDVR was plugged into the same port. Anybody know why I'm getting 540P instead of 1080i?

hAs abt 60% of my viewing is divx i am still eagerly awaiting the firmware which fixes this, and was terribly disappointed that the june firmware did not.

That june firmware only has codes for new remote and nothing fixed.

I'll try that tonight! :)

While I'm at it, here's another question. I want to mount my H77projector to the ceiling. I bought the brackets but I keep seeing this pipe in the instructions. I'd rather not use the pipe and just attach the brackets to the studs in the ceiling. Is this ok or should you really use a pipe? My ceiling is pretty low which is why I'd like to avoid the pipe.

Thanks,
Josh

Okay Ken.....now I gotta ask. I have DivX, Dr. DivX, and DVD Decryter on my computer but that's all I've been using it on.....and I guess I'd have to admit it's not a high use item. But I do use it from time to time....especially when I want to cut a segment out of a DVD and send it to someone or post it on an FTP site. I don't think I've ever used it to watch a whole movie. What is the big deal about using it for movie watching? Is there something about it I'm missing out on?
Javry


if u gotta ask then u are are certainly missing out on something. nuff said. bring on the next firmware!

basically, 99% of people using Divx playback are using it to watch downloaded movies and TV shows. While Divx can look very good, personally I think there's little point to having a high-end system, only to watched recompressed, lower resolution movies. Not to mentioned they're pirated!

Personally, I watch a lot of Divx-downloaded TV shows. Legally speaking, this still falls into a grey area of time-shifting, but for me it's a much better solution than even Tivo; I download the shows I like to watch (with commercials already cut out) and watch it when I like (as opposed to filling up a Tivo hard drive, having to skip commercials and basically having no way out if you want to archive a show to keep for future viewing).

With Divx, you just download the show, burn it to a CD and you're done. Throw the disc away if you don't want to see it again (or use a CDRW) or stash it away for future viewing (until, of course, the DVDs come out and you buy them).

For 4:3 or 16:9 material, the Oppo shines with Divx playback. However, if you've got a 2.35 film, the Oppo doesn't squish and/or letterbox it to the right aspect ratio, so it puts the image into a 16:9 space and everything is stretched vertically (kind of like watching 16:9 in 4:3.

10-4!

Just received my new Oppo which I have jacked into the dvi digital port of a Sharp LC-45GX6U. When I toogle through the different output resolutions on the Oppo the Sharp reports 480P, 720P and 540P instead of 1080i. The Sharp GX did report 1080i when a Comcast HDDVR was plugged into the same port. Anybody know why I'm getting 540P instead of 1080i?

Hello chavel,

The original Oppo firmware would report 540p on certain sets. Instead of being 1080i the signal was actually 540p. Many displays treat 540p as if it were 1080i and it displays OK. Some displays do not process 540p and require 1080i. Oppo developed a hot fix so that 1080i was truly 1080i.

The Sharp should display 540p OK. If there is a problem with 540p and 1080i is needed or desired then try the Oppo hotfix to get true 1080i.

Paul

I've noticed that the LCD display goes blank after a while, with pause, FF, whatever not bringing it back. I've yet to dig into the manual to look for whether or not there's a setting on the remote for this, but I thought I'd put it out there. And, no, I'm not talking about the blue "highlights" - them I know how to turn off in setup, and they stay on while the display itself is blank. Weird. Sharkshark,

I have not noticed anything like this. Give us more detail... Did it occur during DVD playback, or were you doing something else? Is it repeatable? Does it correct itself when you power-down? Did it start after a firmware upgrade, or has it always done this?

Try unplugging your unit for a minute, and see if that helps.

Gary

Hello chavel,

The original Oppo firmware would report 540p on certain sets. Instead of being 1080i the signal was actually 540p. Many displays treat 540p as if it were 1080i and it displays OK. Some displays do not process 540p and require 1080i. Oppo developed a hot fix so that 1080i was truly 1080i.

The Sharp should display 540p OK. If there is a problem with 540p and 1080i is needed or desired then try the Oppo hotfix to get true 1080i.

Paul

Thanks Paul for getting back.

I've just finished trying to get 1080i going on HDMI as well as DVI. I get no picture at all on 1080i with HDMI and the picture rolled on DVI when the screen reported 540P. Plus it would only allow for stretch in view mode at 720P.

I downloaded and installed the 0430 fix as you suggested and now I see 1080i and I can switch to dot by dot in view mode. I'll have to play around some more with HDMI etc but the picture looks great.

After reading Bob Pariseaux's article "How Much Is That Scaler In The Window" I've been a little skeptical about up converting players especially, since the Sharp displays 6.22 megabytes worth of picture data and 480i DVD's are a little lacking in feeding all those pixels, however I think I'm going to be happier with the picture than I was with my old now deceased Panny RP-91 player at least until HD/BD DVD comes along whenever that might be.

Thanks again for the good help.

Chris

You're welcome Chris! Glad the hotfix worked OK. I needed it as well for my Panasonic TC-22LH1 LCD.

Paul

Just received my new Oppo which I have jacked into the dvi digital port of a Sharp LC-45GX6U. When I toogle through the different output resolutions on the Oppo the Sharp reports 480P, 720P and 540P instead of 1080i. The Sharp GX did report 1080i when a Comcast HDDVR was plugged into the same port. Anybody know why I'm getting 540P instead of 1080i?


Is it a HD TV ?

..........Personally, I watch a lot of Divx-downloaded TV shows. Legally speaking, this still falls into a grey area of time-shifting, but for me it's a much better solution than even Tivo; I download the shows I like to watch (with commercials already cut out) and watch it when I like (as opposed to filling up a Tivo hard drive, having to skip commercials and basically having no way out if you want to archive a show to keep for future viewing).

With Divx, you just download the show, burn it to a CD and you're done. Throw the disc away if you don't want to see it again (or use a CDRW) or stash it away for future viewing (until, of course, the DVDs come out and you buy them).

For 4:3 or 16:9 material, the Oppo shines with Divx playback. However, if you've got a 2.35 film, the Oppo doesn't squish and/or letterbox it to the right aspect ratio, so it puts the image into a 16:9 space and everything is stretched vertically (kind of like watching 16:9 in 4:3.

10-4!

Mojo,
Thanks for explaining that.

if u gotta ask then u are are certainly missing out on something. nuff said. bring on the next firmware!

Hey Ken,
what's up with the attitude?
Javry

Is it a HD TV ?

The Sharp LC-GX6U is a 45 inch 1920X1080 60P LCD HDTV. There is an extensive thread on it in the flat panel forum.

just for grins, I went to the DivX website to look around. They have a page that lists all the DivX certified equipment. Look here. (http://www.divx.com/hardware/certified/products.php) The list could be old but Oppo is not on it yet.
Javry

Mojo,
Thanks for explaining that.



Hey Ken,
what's up with the attitude?
Javry


sorry javry didn't mean to be a hardass, just that some things are better discussed in detail on other forums, get my drift? try afterdawn or some ********** or e2kd forums for a better idea of what you've been missing out on.

and just for info, a well encoded divx run via an outboard or onboard dcdi deinterlacer produces a mean picture on any good dlp projector, esp one with hd2+. again nuff said, before some puritan flames my ass.

ken

got it. thanks Ken
Javry

Have run into a strange problem with the Oppo and some DVD's wondering if maybe I’m doing something wrong. After pushing play movie and seeing the FBI warning ect......... a screen then comes to the warning, The views expressed in the film are might fictional bla,bla bla ect............................ this screen is the last warning before the movie starts.

At this point it just keep flashing this warning over and over and I can’t get in the movie no matter what button I push, it is on brand new movies and I have tried the rental as well same thing. "13 going on Thirty" "Swat” Maybe it me and not the Oppo I did try just using the Component and not the DVI-D/HDMI cable just in case the hand shake was the problem????

Any Ideas both run on my 480P Sammy. Not really a biggy as I have the sammy as a backup.

Thanks in advance

Try reloading the firmware with a fresh CD burned at a slow speed, your error speaks of firmware corruption.

checklst,

Don't have either of those movies. Try unplugging the player. Has the player ever had a firmware update?

Paul

I have made 1 firmware up date, to correct for the tray, it was closing too soon and the up date corrected the problem. I have not up dated the firmware correction for 1080I problem that my PE 7700 could not show a picture at 1080I most told me their was no improvement in the 1080 over the 720 so I have been slow in making the change.

I could down load the firmware again its not a problem DO I need to down load all firmware up dates separate or does the last firmware include it all at once????

I have only had this problem with 4 DVD's, ALL Columbia Pictures, and all at the same warning screen hummmmmmm must be something CP is doing at that warning screen that upsets the Oppo. :cool:

Maybe the issue is specific to the movies. Which other movies have the problem? The Oppo fixes are cumulative -- the last one has it all.

Paul

Maybe the issue is specific to the movies. Which other movies have the problem? The Oppo fixes are cumulative -- the last one has it all.

Paul


Is it fair to say the biggest one remaining is the shimmering phenomena?

That and adjusting sound/picture sync.

Paul

Any idea on when oppo's next dvd player will be out. someone said a newer hdmi version is coming out soon....is that correct? any timeframe?

I recommended the oppo to a friend who is now also having a lip sync problem.

Makes me look like an ass - not to mention all this hype about a player that seems to have fundamental oversights.

I keep getting told "they are working on it" but at the moment, Im reluctant to put a disc into my machine, only to realise I cant watch it because it annoys the hell out of me.

When it this likely to be resolved?

I recommended the oppo to a friend who is now also having a lip sync problem.

Makes me look like an ass - not to mention all this hype about a player that seems to have fundamental oversights.

I keep getting told "they are working on it" but at the moment, Im reluctant to put a disc into my machine, only to realise I cant watch it because it annoys the hell out of me.

When it this likely to be resolved?It's hard to say when. These are not simple issues to fix. Oppo is doing their very best. Hang in there, or else get another player.

Keep in mind though, that NONE of the upconverting players are perfect - they ALL seem to come with problems of one kind or another. So you may also be reluctant to put a disk in your new machine (only to realise that you can't watch it because it annoys you).

At least Oppo is committed to fixing the problems and is actively working on them. I don't know of many others who are doing this.

Gary

Sometimes problems can not be fixed with just firmware. This could be the reason for a new model. Just something to consider. But it's good to see they are conscientious about getting a great player out there.

Im reluctant to put a disc into my machine, only to realise I cant watch it because it annoys the hell out of me.


I'm sometimes amazed that there is enough profit margin in a sub $200 player to warrant putting up with us.

Maybe the issue is specific to the movies. Which other movies have the problem? The Oppo fixes are cumulative -- the last one has it all.

Paul

Thanks Paul on the info about the fixes, that thay are cumulative just what I need to know.

Thanks again :)

Regarding the Oppo lip sync issue:

I recently purchased the Oppo DV971H to serve as a backup/replacement for my Denon DVD-1910 which is in for warranty repair due to some strange skipping problem. I hooked it up and watched Gladiator to get all the set-ups tweaked. No lip sync problem.

Next, I watched Grosse Pointe Blank and there was the lip sync issue that I had read about. It would slowly creep in over time. Pressing stop once and then play seemed to resync the audio/video tracks (read that in this forum). Since then, I have watched about 8 more movies without an issue.

I emailed Oppo Support, and they replied that it is on their priority list for the next firmware release.

My configuration is:

Oppo DV971H connected to Panasonic PT-AE700U via 10m DVI/HDMI cable.
Audio: Oppo Optical out to Denon AVR-5800.

Mark

I'm sometimes amazed that there is enough profit margin in a sub $200 player to warrant putting up with us. Too true! Especially when SOME of us who paid so little, also expect perfection YESTERDAY!

Gary

Any idea on when oppo's next dvd player will be out. someone said a newer hdmi version is coming out soon....is that correct? any timeframe? Nobody knows. I'm not even sure where this idea came from... to my knowledge, Oppo has never mentioned that they have another player in the works. Don't count on it anytime soon.

Gary

I think the whole "new OPPO model w/HDMI" is more wishful thinking than imminent reality, but if the Oppo folk are listening... this is exactly what some of us are waiting for!

And, of course, perfection in all other features! ;)

I just ordered a DV971H for my soon to ship Sammy HL-R6168W and I'm anxious about a proposed firmware update.

The unit ships only in silver, of course, but I would prefer black. When is Oppo finally going to issue the firmware update that allows the user to select the color of the faceplate & chassis? Seems like this should have been one of the first firmware updates. Sheesh!

Just got my oppo today and noticed the lip sync on Bad Boys II. I still have a Samsung HD-850 and do not notice any lip sync on that player at all using the same dvd. I prefer the functions of the oppo. But if I have lip sync problems then it is a worthless dvd player.

I've never noticed my OPPO having lip sync problems.My zenith db318 does once in a while but the easy fix is press stop and then play.It seldom happens.

Just got my oppo today and noticed the lip sync on Bad Boys II. I still have a Samsung HD-850 and do not notice any lip sync on that player at all using the same dvd. I prefer the functions of the oppo. But if I have lip sync problems then it is a worthless dvd player.


Gee, way back in January (around message #500) we discussed the lip-sync issue and hardly anyone seemed too interested on the board. The Oppo has come such a long way in that time that lip-sync is one of the few glitches left to complain about.... I have had many hours of enjoyment with my Oppo as my primary dvd player (with and without the lip-sync glitch). Not a big deal when considering the great qualities of the player and the company itself, IMHO.

Bob

I've watched probably two dozen movies on my Oppo so far, and haven't seen any lip-sync problem yet (except Jurassic Park DTS, which is a disc problem).

Maybe, like macroblocking, lip sync is also display dependent. We know that the Oppo causes some lip sync from faroudja and your display adds additional lip sync. Some displays add more lip sync than others. I have yet to notice any lip sync issues on my Infocus 4805 DLP.

I read the previous messages on lip sync earlier in the thread, but I only bought my Oppo a couple of weeks ago. I bought it knowing that I might see this problem, but with all the good features and a committment to customer service, I felt confident that Oppo would fix it soon. It has been a minimal problem, so overall I am quite happy with my $200 unit.

Just got my oppo today and noticed the lip sync on Bad Boys II. I still have a Samsung HD-850 and do not notice any lip sync on that player at all using the same dvd. I prefer the functions of the oppo. But if I have lip sync problems then it is a worthless dvd player. A worthless DVD player? Just because it OCCASIONALLY loses sync? Even though you can correct the sync very easily? Even though Oppo is working on a fix?

Do you also view your Samsung HD-850 as worthless? With no motion-adaptive de-interlacing, no DVD-Audio, Y/C delay problem, image break-up with any change in cadence, severe jaggies with video-based material, incorrect HDMI to DVI convertion (PC RGB levels instead of Studio RGB)?

Don't forget that it took Samsung a couple of years to fix the lip-sync issue in their Faroudja player.

Gary

I'm sometimes amazed that there is enough profit margin in a sub $200 player to warrant putting up with us.


Putting up with what, a product that fails in a fundamental area?

Im all for their customer service focus, so Im hanging out for a resolution. Respect to oppo for that.

Putting up with what, a product that fails in a fundamental area?
In the sub $200 category, there are players with FAR worse problems that will NEVER be fixed. Wensteph made a good point. What other player in this category, gets as much ongoing firmware support, or as much demanding feedback from customers?

Why should Oppo be getting the blame for the lip-sync issue, anyway? Its a Faroudja issue, just like the macroblock bug. Genesis/Faroudja has never bothered to fix the chip, nor have they forewarned the engineers who have designed it into new products.

Gary

When is Oppo finally going to issue the firmware update that allows the user to select the color of the faceplate & chassis? Seems like this should have been one of the first firmware updates. Sheesh! Heh! I'll suggest this to Oppo.

Gary

Any idea when the next firmware is becoming availble....are we talking weeks or months?

4805-

I'm running the OPPO with my Infocus 4805. When I switch to the DVI input for the OPPO, it appear to me that I lose some picture information to the right side of the sreen, and a little on the bottom.

So, when I watch a DVD, there is a slight gap between the edge of the picture and the screen frame on the right side, basically looks like a thin black bar on the right side of the image, like the OPPO's either not using the whole panel (but it's rated at 0 pixel cropping) or the image is slightly shifted to the left, like a slight timing issue.

Has anyone else noticed/fixed this? It's a little thing, and I'm wondering if there's an easy fix.

Thanks,

Wes

ps I would still like "press the eject button when the unit is powered off, and it will power on and eject the dvd" added to the firmware at some point.

Wes,
I noticed this issue too. I think it's been mentioned a few times about the slight underscanning of the Oppo. I too would like it if the Oppo would fill my whole screen.

Like both of you, I have this issue with the 4805. But I simply zoomed a little as my sole viewing is with this DVD player...

That's what I'm doing at the moment, however, I have to live with some slight cropping when I watch HDTV.

If this problem is unique only to the Infocus 4805, why do you think the Oppo is the cause of the problem? Have you guys mentioned this on the 4805 threads, or contacted Infocus?

Gary

Well, for my part, I'm not complaining 'bout it. No whining here, just small talk actually :rolleyes:

I've seen underscanning mentioned in this thread before, so I assumed it could be the Oppo. But I'll check later tonight with my HD box if I get any underscanning along with the 4805 forum.

In the sub $200 category, there are players with FAR worse problems that will NEVER be fixed. Wensteph made a good point. What other player in this category, gets as much ongoing firmware support, or as much demanding feedback from customers?

Why should Oppo be getting the blame for the lip-sync issue, anyway? Its a Faroudja issue, just like the macroblock bug. Genesis/Faroudja has never bothered to fix the chip, nor have they forewarned the engineers who have designed it into new products.

Gary

Well when I buy a DVD player I do not want to have to upgrade the firmware. I want to buy it and have it work right out of the box.

There are two main important things that make a dvd player PQ and sound quality. When a dvd player can't keep in sync then it is a major problem, a problem the out weights anything else except maybe no picture at all. I called Oppo tech support and they confirmed to me that is a problem and are testing a frimware fix for it right now.

I had my last Sony DVD player for two years and never ever had a problem with it. In fact it still works great. If there is a problem with a certain chip then shame on OPPO for using the chip.

If this problem is unique only to the Infocus 4805, why do you think the Oppo is the cause of the problem? Have you guys mentioned this on the 4805 threads, or contacted Infocus?

Gary

Gary,

I am not sure that this problem is unique to the 4805 at this point. I've read other posts somewhere in this thread about problems completely filling the screen, and I can't remember the exact circumstances of that occurance. The other dvd players I've run over DVI to my 4805 (Toshiba 3980, Zenith 318) didn't have this blank border, so it could in fact be some of the timing on the OPPO. It's not a huge deal, and I can work around it, but first wanted to find out if it was just my setup with the OPPO/4805 or if that combination always had this result.

I'm still a big fan of the OPPO, and love its quickness, DVD-A, etc. I have had some lip sync problems here or there, but had that also on the 318.

I just don't have any image adjustment menu options on my 4805 with DVI, so I can't change the H threshold, or anything, like with component, so there's no way to fill the screen besides increasing zoom a little bit and physically turning the projector a tad.

Thanks,

Wes

Wes

If this problem is unique only to the Infocus 4805, why do you think the Oppo is the cause of the problem? Have you guys mentioned this on the 4805 threads, or contacted Infocus?

Gary

I have noticed this with my Pana AE700 also - anyone else. It is not a big deal to me.

I don't think the Oppo is cropping. Films are made in many different ratios. 16x9=178x1.

Many films are made at 185x1 and there will be a small amount of space at the top and bottom of the screen. Try to find a dvd with 178x1 and you will see the space filled in.

The same is true of a widescreen (scope) picture. Some are 235x1 others 240x1 and a few are much more. Ben Hur was filmed in 285x1. The ratio will determine the space that you probably are seeing.

I don't think the Oppo is cropping. Films are made in many different ratios. 16x9=178x1.

Many films are made at 185x1 and there will be a small amount of space at the top and bottom of the screen. Try to find a dvd with 178x1 and you will see the space filled in.

The same is true of a widescreen (scope) picture. Some are 235x1 others 240x1 and a few are much more. Ben Hur was filmed in 285x1. The ratio will determine the space that you probably are seeing.

It's not a small black bar at the top or bottom that is the question, it's one on the right side of the image that seems to be at least 10-15 pixels wide or so.

There is a small bar at the bottom, but not at the top, so I think the same issues are involved there as well, and are definitely not aspect ratio related. . .

wes

I'm running the OPPO with my Infocus 4805. When I switch to the DVI input for the OPPO, it appear to me that I lose some picture information to the right side of the sreen, and a little on the bottom.


Wes, I'm not very familiar with the settings available on that projector, so maybe this won't work for you. I had the same issue with my plasma screen. 480p fitted perfectly, 720p moved it over to the right, 1080i moved it even further. I ran the overscan test pattern on Avia, then adjusted the TV to move the pic back to the left so it was framed properly. Very easy calibration for me.

Just an idea and something to try.

Well when I buy a DVD player I do not want to have to upgrade the firmware. I want to buy it and have it work right out of the box.

There are two main important things that make a dvd player PQ and sound quality. When a dvd player can't keep in sync then it is a major problem, a problem the out weights anything else except maybe no picture at all. I called Oppo tech support and they confirmed to me that is a problem and are testing a frimware fix for it right now.

I had my last Sony DVD player for two years and never ever had a problem with it. In fact it still works great. If there is a problem with a certain chip then shame on OPPO for using the chip.

Maybe you should return your Oppo and drop the whole thing then? It already sounds like you won't be happy with the player no matter what gets done with it. If the product doesn't fit your needs, or you just don't like the product, I don't see why you would stick with it and complain about it on an internet message board instead of getting rid of it and moving on.

From what you said Wes, it does not seem like an aspect ratio problem. I don't know what adjustments you have on your tv but it seems strange that others don't have this problem with the Oppo. I had a similar problem with a Zenith 318 but many others reported that problem. I would try if possible another player to see if you have the same problem at 720p. If you do you will know that it is with the tv. You might want to see if there are any hidden adjustments for your tv.

Wes, I'm not very familiar with the settings available on that projector, so maybe this won't work for you. I had the same issue with my plasma screen. 480p fitted perfectly, 720p moved it over to the right, 1080i moved it even further. I ran the overscan test pattern on Avia, then adjusted the TV to move the pic back to the left so it was framed properly. Very easy calibration for me.

I don't know what adjustments you have on your tv but it seems strange that others don't have this problem with the Oppo. I had a similar problem with a Zenith 318 but many others reported that problem. I would try if possible another player to see if you have the same problem at 720p.

The 4805, like some other digital projectors, don't give you the image shift control with a DVI signal, so I'd have to manually zoom and physically slightly adjust the pj to totally fill the screen.

Others with 4805 have this problem, also the AE700, so it's probably something with the OPPO. I've used several other upscaling Faroudja DVD players that didn't have this issue.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not getting rid of my OPPO, I really like it. But if this could be added to the list, or some workaround found, I would appreciate it.

Wes

I too have a cropping issue with my Sanyo Z2 through the DVI, only it appears on all 4 sides. The top and bottom are very slight-perhaps 2 pixels. The sides are more like 10-15, I haven't counted but it's 1-2 inces on a 106 inch screen.

Oppo says: "The OPPO has no pixel cropping and there is also not a way to adjust the pixel of the DVD player. You are the first to report this. "

They suggested tha I call Sanyo, which I am still trying to do. If Sanyo doesn't have a fix I will have to return the player. I love the player otherwise.
Jeff

So it seems there are a few who are seeing this underscan issue.

Can anyone confirm that they are not getting this on their display and that the Oppo is filling their whole screen area (preferably someone with no overscan on their display)?

I too have a cropping issue with my Sanyo Z2 through the DVI, only it appears on all 4 sides. The top and bottom are very slight-perhaps 2 pixels. The sides are more like 10-15, I haven't counted but it's 1-2 inces on a 106 inch screen.

Oppo says: "The OPPO has no pixel cropping and there is also not a way to adjust the pixel of the DVD player. You are the first to report this. "

They suggested tha I call Sanyo, which I am still trying to do. If Sanyo doesn't have a fix I will have to return the player. I love the player otherwise.
Jeff

Same issue for me with a BenQ PE8700+ but only in DVI 720p.

I get my Oppo today. I have held out and thought this was as good of time as any to do it. I know the next firmware should be out in the coming months, so I am pretty confident on my pick. I will be hooking this up to a Panny RPLCD PT-43LC14. I haven't had any strange problems yet with my previous 2 players.

I had my last Sony DVD player for two years and never ever had a problem with it. In fact it still works great. If you're so happy with your Sony, and you've never ever had a problem with it, then why would you buy the Oppo? My guess is... you were looking for something better, meaning you were not happy with the Sony!

The Oppo is a diamond in the process of being polished. If you want excellence, wait until the polishing is finished. I'm happy to have it BEFORE the polishing is finished, because I appreciate its beauty every day. As the last few fascets are completed, I will appreciate it more and more.

If there is a problem with a certain chip then shame on OPPO for using the chip. Shame on you for making such a judgemental comment. The chip datasheets do not advertize or discuss lip-sync and macroblocking bug problems, so how would Oppo know about them?

There is no perfect player, because there is no perfect chip. Life is full of compromises. FOR THE MONEY, Oppo has chosen the best components the $200 can buy. Yes, the Faroudja chip has issues, but they can be fixed to a large degree, as has been demonstrated in other players, like the Panasonic.

If you want something a bit closer to perfection, why not spend $3500 on the Denon flagship?

Gary

I too have a cropping issue with my Sanyo Z2 through the DVI, only it appears on all 4 sides. The top and bottom are very slight-perhaps 2 pixels. The sides are more like 10-15, I haven't counted but it's 1-2 inces on a 106 inch screen.

Oppo says: "The OPPO has no pixel cropping and there is also not a way to adjust the pixel of the DVD player. You are the first to report this. "

They suggested tha I call Sanyo, which I am still trying to do. If Sanyo doesn't have a fix I will have to return the player. I love the player otherwise.
Jeff This is different to the image shift that others are describing. You may be confusing pixel cropping with scaling problems. Did you use a proper pixel-cropping test pattern?

You should find NO cropping at all. However, if your display is not 1280x720 NATIVE resolution, then it could be the DISPLAY that is not rescaling the image to fill the screen. Have you tried another upscaling player? you may find exactly the same issue.

Gary

Although I no longer have the Sharp LC-26D7U display due to other issues, I tried the DV971H via the Sharp's DVI input. Not DVI-Video but DVI-PC where I had access to the display's PC fine tuning controls. Was able to fit the Oppo to the display perfectly, top to bottom, left to right, edge to edge. No cropping.

Paul

I have a Z2 and have no cropping issues with the Oppo at all. I run it at 720p, of course.

simarddominic

I posted earlier that some people in the 8700 thread had some problems, but brushed it off as a problem with the projector.

What does this mean, If I want this player I will have to call Benq and demand a firmware/fix or send in my projector for replacement or repair?

No way am I doing that, as much as I want to buy the oppo, I didn't have these problems using DVI on the Samsung 841.

What is oppo doing different to cause this display issue?

POSTED IN THE 8700 Forum

"I've been using the Oppo player now since early February. The only problem I've run into that appears to be Benq 8700+ related is that when attempting to set the Oppo for the native 720p resolution, the image shrinks in all dimensions and a slightly bright white border is displayed on all sides. When using 1080i or lower progressive option the image size is just right. There are other things that need fixing in the Oppo but all in all, it's a very fine upconverting player when running DVI-DVI to the Benq. And if you read the very lengthy posts in the DVD section of the forum, you'll find far more on this exceptional player."

Gary,
I need to do more extensive testing. Sure...it could be that the display is doing something funny with the pixels.

In DVI mode on the Sanyo you don't have the option of setting the viewing (zoom, wide) modes. It stays set to "true" which I imagine is passing the signal straight to the display. I do not have access to another DVI player to compare and my cable box didn't want to pass a signal through the DVI. The only thing I'm not sure I have set up correctly is whether I want it on DVI-PC-digital or DVI-hdcp. I get a picture with the same results on either setting.
UPDATE:just got in touch with the man from Sanyo and he told me to try to turn off "progressive" on the projector. If that doesn't work he said to send it to them for service. He was not aware of the issue as stated. I'll try it when I get home.
Thanks-Jeff

I have a Z2 and have no cropping issues with the Oppo at all. I run it at 720p, of course.

Good to know. I'll dig deeper into my setup and see if I get any cropping from my HD box DVI on my 4805.

I'm going DVI direct to a Sim2 300 plus. On the logo screen, there appears to be a crop all the way down the left side of the screen.....probably 2 to 3 pixels wide. Also, every once in a while there is a line going straight down the middle of the screen.....about 12 inches to the left of center screen....probably 1 to 2 pixels wide. Uusally, when I put a movie in, the line is either gone or I just don't notice it anymore. Besides those two things, the whole screen area is filled with the picture image.
Javry

this is a picture from one of the Avia test patterns
thanks
jeff

I've never seen that excact test pattern but would I be wrong to say....it looks like your convergence is off big time?
Javry

I just ordered one of these, hope it's better pic quality than my sony ns775. I mainly did it for the region free stuff.

It's been 2 months since a significant firmware upgrade, so I figured I'd visit the Oppo site. Unfortunately the only update does not offer any new features.

I bought this player with the understanding (hope?) that new firmware would address the PQ issues such as edge enhancement. But now I fear that Oppo engineers are spending all their time on their soon-to-be-released HDMI player and not improving the DV971H.

I hope my fear is unfounded and that a firmware upgrade is coming soon. Anybody have any idea?

The fear is unfounded.

Paul

I bought this player with the understanding (hope?) that new firmware would address the PQ issues such as edge enhancement. But now I fear that Oppo engineers are spending all their time on their soon-to-be-released HDMI player and not improving the DV971H.

I hope my fear is unfounded and that a firmware upgrade is coming soon. Anybody have any idea?

My only fear is that the shimmering is not fixable via firmware. Time will tell.

Sooke

Will there be a new Oppo out soon? Everything I've heard is speculation. Any links to this new product?

I've had a chance to play with the Oppo's Divx/Xvid playback feature now, and it works quite well. I did run across a couple of files that seemed to confuse it every so often (weird authoring I think with their title card), but it has not failed to play anything I've thrown at it.

It does make me wish for a one or two more zoom options on the zoom reduction side. 1/2, 1/3, and 1/4.......... well, mainly 1/2 comes in quite handy if the video file has hard subtitles that are being cropped by the tv sets overscan. If Oppo would add an additional zoom option like 3/4, or 4/5 so you could still fill most of the screen that would be very nice. Since they added the other additional zoom choices I assume it's not difficult. I can't say how many other people would find it useful, but as a Divx/Xvid player it'd be nice to get the best use out if it I can. There must be other people who watch the same kind of material too. :)

Next step is to get DVD-Audio up and going.

Anyone steer me to the post with the Oppo wishlist? I remember seeing it and now the Oppo is en route I'd like to read it again. The bloke seemed to know what he was talking about. I rarely know.

Aspect ratio control for Divx would be good too.

Well, I had my first night with my Oppo (ok, doesn't sound right). I haven't done any fine tuning, just kept the settings on my tv as is, from previous Avia/DVE calibration. I decided to pop in Nemo, since I wanted to "look" for any macroblocking and or shimmering. I knew this movie was mentioned to exhibit some MB and I have to say, even when looking for it, I didn't see it. I watched a few minutes of each chapter (more or less). The only flaw in the picture, not knowing the term, seemed to be when there would be a light transition underwater as it is moving. Instead of it being smooth, you could see outlines between shading...but very faint and I was "looking" for any flaw. Other than that, the movie looked stunning. I then would concentrate on anything that had lines/stripes/straight edges and didn't see any noticeable jaggies or shimmering. I may have lucked out and have a display that isn't enhancing these problems or this one movie wasn't a great test. My display is a Panasonic RPLCD (PT-43LC14) and has been ISF calibrated. On that note, can anyone suggest some other movies, to test for MB/Jaggies/shimmering? I did a quick viewing with the HQV benchmark dvd and the Oppo seemed to do rather well with the tests. I did also download a divx flick and it played it without a hitch. I know you might want to know that my firmware is version 514 and on the back of the unit, it had a v2.3 sticker (going by memory).

If you're so happy with your Sony, and you've never ever had a problem with it, then why would you buy the Oppo? My guess is... you were looking for something better, meaning you were not happy with the Sony!

The Oppo is a diamond in the process of being polished. If you want excellence, wait until the polishing is finished. I'm happy to have it BEFORE the polishing is finished, because I appreciate its beauty every day. As the last few fascets are completed, I will appreciate it more and more.

Shame on you for making such a judgemental comment. The chip datasheets do not advertize or discuss lip-sync and macroblocking bug problems, so how would Oppo know about them?

There is no perfect player, because there is no perfect chip. Life is full of compromises. FOR THE MONEY, Oppo has chosen the best components the $200 can buy. Yes, the Faroudja chip has issues, but they can be fixed to a large degree, as has been demonstrated in other players, like the Panasonic.

If you want something a bit closer to perfection, why not spend $3500 on the Denon flagship?

Gary

Well my sony doesn't unconvert to 720p. That is why I bought the OPPO.

You appreciate the beauty of it every day. Sounds like you need a GF.

How would OPPO know about the problems well they could test the thing. The same way I found out about the problems.

I already returned the OPPO and bought the Sony HDMI player and in my opinion I like it better then the OPPO. I didn't even have to upgrade the firmware either.

cjlawson,

In a previous post (elicited by posts from people just like you), I stated that I would not be returning to this thread. However, a colleague brought your comments on the Oppo DV971H to my attention, and I've not only monitored them but also checked out your other posts on various other topics. GSB and a few others have been instrumental (through their constructive criticism and feedback) in getting the various issues with the DV971H resolved. Your personal attack on him is completely unwarranted, but your very negative comments on the player are totally without merit considering your obviously limited knowledge and experience with AV gear. In fact, your comment about not wanting to have to upgrade the firmware on a DVD player makes me wonder how you EVER got a job as an IT manager. If my IT manager came across the way you did here, I would certainly fire him.

EVERYBODY on this forum has a right to their own opinion. But that does not mean they are correct in their views and everybody else is wrong. You made your initial statement against the player, and you should've left it at that and moved on to another topic. Instead you chose to make a complete ass of yourself with each subsequent post. No one here is going to tell you the DV971H is the perfect player for every situation and need, but the vast majority of us live in the real world and can accept, or at least deal with, a few shortcomings in our AV gear. And when something we think is better comes along, we go with whatever that is. I suggest you learn to do the same.

I see the unit is now coming with a new remote control. There is different firmware for it too. I wonder if they'll have to do split firmware upgrades for those who have the new/old remote after this point?

I see the unit is now coming with a new remote control. There is different firmware for it too. I wonder if they'll have to do split firmware upgrades for those who have the new/old remote after this point?

Yes, the new firmware that supports the new remote is v514. As far as two seperate firmware... that has been asked of Oppo and likely they will have to roll the 514 code into the next major release. Not having the original remote, I am not sure what is new about it.

It would make sense to unify the remote code, if possible, to prevent dual maintenence and customer mistakes.

Paul

I decided to pop in Nemo, since I wanted to "look" for any macroblocking and or shimmering. I knew this movie was mentioned to exhibit some MB and I have to say, even when looking for it, I didn't see it. I watched a few minutes of each chapter (more or less). The only flaw in the picture, not knowing the term, seemed to be when there would be a light transition underwater as it is moving. Instead of it being smooth, you could see outlines between shading...but very faint and I was "looking" for any flaw. Other than that, the movie looked stunning. I'm glad you're enjoying the player. One thing to keep in mind... "Finding Nemo" is unfortunately recorded with banding in the ocean in certain scenes. A full calibration of your set will minimize it, but never remove it.

Gary

Anyone steer me to the post with the Oppo wishlist? I remember seeing it and now the Oppo is en route I'd like to read it again. The bloke seemed to know what he was talking about. I rarely know. Here's the wishlist: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5594795&&&

It will be moved to the end of the thread when the new firmware comes out.

Gary

But now I fear that Oppo engineers are spending all their time on their soon-to-be-released HDMI player and not improving the DV971H. Soon-to-be-released HDMI player? Where did you hear that? It's only speculation and rumour at the moment.

Gary

this is a picture from one of the Avia test patterns
jeff, I don't know how to interpret your picture. Not sure what we're looking at, or what we're supposed to see. Unless I'm mistaken, that's not a pixel-cropping test pattern. And it does appear as though you have a convergence problem. You'll have to give us a bit more detail.

Gary

The picture is of one of Avia's geometry patterns. It does look like a convergence issue.

Does the Oppo player have the latest firmware?

Paul

This is different to the image shift that others are describing. You may be confusing pixel cropping with scaling problems. Did you use a proper pixel-cropping test pattern?

You should find NO cropping at all. However, if your display is not 1280x720 NATIVE resolution, then it could be the DISPLAY that is not rescaling the image to fill the screen. Have you tried another upscaling player? you may find exactly the same issue.

Gary

I am running the Oppo through DVI to a Sony 42" HD Plasma and have the same problem. On the right hand side there is a black border of about 0.5cm. Had a similar problem with the Denon 1910 but worse, with large 2 cm borders on both sides. Updating the firmware on the Denon 1910 alleviated the problem but didn't totally fixed it. The Oppo's border seems to be less. I have confirmed this by running one of the DVE test patterns. Using the zoom function did not fill the borders on both the Denon and the Oppo.

I know the problem is not with the Plasma as running DVI through a PC I get a perfectly filled screen (Nvidia 5500 card). No underscan or overscan to be seen no matter what resolution I tell the PC to go on (Of the ones supported). I also have a neuston MC-500 (Network Media Player) which has DVI out and it does not have borders as well.

I am running the Oppo through DVI to a Sony 42" HD Plasma and have the same problem. On the right hand side there is a black border of about 0.5cm. Had a similar problem with the Denon 1910 but worse, with large 2 cm borders on both sides. Updating the firmware on the Denon 1910 alleviated the problem but didn't totally fixed it. The Oppo's border seems to be less. I have confirmed this by running one of the DVE test patterns. Using the zoom function did not fill the borders on both the Denon and the Oppo.

I know the problem is not with the Plasma as running DVI through a PC I get a perfectly filled screen (Nvidia 5500 card). No underscan or overscan to be seen no matter what resolution I tell the PC to go on (Of the ones supported). I also have a neuston MC-500 (Network Media Player) which has DVI out and it does not have borders as well. Very odd.

So what, exactly, is the cause of the border on the right? Do you see pixel-cropping (using a pixel-cropping test pattern), or is the image offset to the left? Or is it a scaling issue? What's the NATIVE resolution of your plasma?

Many displays, like mine (1280x720 native), have no trouble with offsets and borders at all. So why do only a FEW displays have trouble? And they seem to exhibit the problem differently - some are offset to the right, others to the left, others are just incorrectly scaled (border all the way round). Another thing, as you pointed out, the problem is not unique to the Oppo. So, is it the display or the player, the chicken or the egg?

Gary

I gopt an email from oppo the other day as i asked about there new hdmi player and they said, "nothing that we can state publicly yet."

Take that as you wish.

My guess is that its coming, and they will also sort out the firmware for the 971 to keep there customers happy.

I just got this player and I really like it. I like the fact you can control the saturation, brightness, contrast on it. I love that it's region free.

Compared to my sony ns775 it produces a sharper image. I can see more detail.

I'm running on 42" gwIII at 1080i.

The sony player is very good also since my tv has a good scalar, but i'll keep this oppo.

The firmware it came with was OP971-5-0514.

I gopt an email from oppo the other day as i asked about there new hdmi player and they said, "nothing that we can state publicly yet."

Winbase makes a bunch of stuff. Sketchy info here, but the DV999 and DV908HD show an HDMI connection. http://www.winbase.b2s.com/showroom.html?viewcat=1&catid=4951

I'm glad you're enjoying the player. One thing to keep in mind... "Finding Nemo" is unfortunately recorded with banding in the ocean in certain scenes. A full calibration of your set will minimize it, but never remove it.

Gary

Please say it ain't so! I've been cursing all my gear since the first time I saw Nemo and all that banding. I though it was a bad DVD player or an aging TV. And now you're saying it was the DVD all along??? ARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!

But at least I know the truth. :(

Please say it ain't so! I've been cursing all my gear since the first time I saw Nemo and all that banding. I though it was a bad DVD player or an aging TV. And now you're saying it was the DVD all along??? ARRRGGGHHH!!!!!!

But at least I know the truth. :(
I'd say the Oppo (maybe all Faroudja based players?) exaggerate banding more than other players I use. It can be minimized somewhat, but not completely.

I don't think it's just the Nemo DVD. (Although I do not doubt that banding is particularly bad on it.)

-Terry

Well I just ordered the Oppo DVD yesterday so I am hoping it is decent. I was at Best Buy and picked up an LGDVB418 yesterday on sale for $149. I started doing some research before I opened it up and decided to return it after reading everything that was said about it.

So here is hoping the Oppo lives up to the review!

who is windbase ? Do they make the oppo?

Winbase is the company that makes the Oppo. They own Oppo and also make players for many other companies. They are a very large OEM manufacturer in China. I would suspect that Oppo will be coming out soon with a new player that will support HDMI. From the link it seems that Winbase is producing two models. There is no indication as to what chipset is being used. They could also produce a specific model for Oppo to replace the current one.

We will have to wait and see. I would bet that the wait will no be very long.

Winbase is the company that makes the Oppo. They own Oppo and also make players for many other companies. They are a very large OEM manufacturer in China. ............We will have to wait and see. I would bet that the wait will no be very long.

I assume then that based on the quote below from Secrets, that Winbase is some kind of subsidiary of BBK? Or is it the other way around?


The 971H is the premier DVD player from a brand new company here in the US: Oppo Digital. The company is a spring off from the electronics giant, BBK Electronics. BBK has been in the business for a long time and is a world leader in the electronics field with total manufacturing output matching Sony and Matsushita........

Javry

I assume then that based on the quote below from Secrets, that Winbase is some kind of subsidiary of BBK? Or is it the other way around?

Javry

From a previous posting by Oppo: "Oppo is manufactured by BBK (Winbase export brand), a company that employs over 10,000 people."

Winbase makes a bunch of stuff. Sketchy info here, but the DV999 and DV908HD show an HDMI connection.

Thank you wensteph!

I've emailed Oppo a couple of times asking about a player with HDMI and SACD. I had almost given up hope and was starting to look into the Samsung HD950.

From a previous posting by Oppo: "Oppo is manufactured by BBK (Winbase export brand), a company that employs over 10,000 people."

From the looks of the photos on their website, the units look an awful lot like the Oppo......especially the DV908HD. The HDMI SACD thing is attractive........ although I kinda like the DVI non-hdcp option of the 971H .............at least most reviewers say that you don't loose anything going DVI/HDMI vs HDMI/HDMI.

Has anyone been able to find out how much the Winbase units cost.....or, for that matter, whether they're any good? The site seems to limit you to only inquiries only....but no purchases. I think they're trying to build a mailing list or something.
Javry

Here's a problem: no movie image from component--but menus images fine.

I wanted to compare the Oppo's DVI output with its component.

Using component output, when I play a disk, I get menus images (and sound) fine. But when the movie starts, no image (blue screen "no input"), with sound.

What setting am I forgetting to change? (Projector is an SX21)

Any help appreciated!

- Tom

4805-

I'm running the OPPO with my Infocus 4805. When I switch to the DVI input for the OPPO, it appear to me that I lose some picture information to the right side of the sreen, and a little on the bottom.

So, when I watch a DVD, there is a slight gap between the edge of the picture and the screen frame on the right side, basically looks like a thin black bar on the right side of the image, like the OPPO's either not using the whole panel (but it's rated at 0 pixel cropping) or the image is slightly shifted to the left, like a slight timing issue.

Has anyone else noticed/fixed this? It's a little thing, and I'm wondering if there's an easy fix.

Thanks,

Wes

ps I would still like "press the eject button when the unit is powered off, and it will power on and eject the dvd" added to the firmware at some point.

Some of us with Benq 8700's have seen this when using 720p (happens to be the native resolution of the projector). Using other resolutions does not have this effect. So, I'm thinking it's the interaction between the player and display. Does not occur with my Momitsu which has same DVI output and chosen 720p resolution.

Penman,

Not sure if it helps, but the component output of the Oppo is 480i (interlaced) only.

Paul

Thanks, Paul. I now think that neither output nor any other setup is the problem. I've discovered the problem happens with some disks but not all...

When I posted before, I had tried both Indiana Jones (Last Crusade) and The Grapes of Wrath. (The first anamorphic, the second not.) Both showed me menus, but no movie image (sound throughout).

Since posting I've tried LOTR ROTK SE and Batman Returns--and, voila, both work fine, menus and movie.

Then I tried A Man Called Horse--menu, but no movie image.

This is definitely an Oppo problem, and not a set-up issue.

If any one has any other ideas, I'm all ears, but this seems like an Oppo problem, although one not likely to come up much since few use it for its component output, right? :)

- Tom

Btw, in the set-up menu, Initial Set-up, what's the correct TV Type setting for my SX21? I assume NTSC, but what's the "Auto" setting for?

Thanks!

Tom

Penman,

Not sure if it helps, but the component output of the Oppo is 480i (interlaced) only.

Paul

would that stop him from getting a picture though? Wouldn't the SX21 scale it up to native anyway? Surely it can take an interlaced signal.
Javry

Javry,

I would hope it would accept a 480i signal as well, it was just a thought. I'm not familiar with the display and have seen some goofy things.

Paul

I've been really enjoying the DV971H tonight. "Lawrence of Arabia" never looked better. A great, not-to-be-missed, movie spectacle.

Paul

Btw, in the set-up menu, Initial Set-up, what's the correct TV Type setting for my SX21? I assume NTSC, but what's the "Auto" setting for?

Thanks!

Tom
For what it's worth, auto is the setting I use. Try it.
Javry

Here's what projector central says about the SX21


Compatibility: HDTV:
1035i, 1080p, 1080i
720p
EDTV/480p: Yes
SDTV/480i: Yes
Component Video: Yes
Video: Yes
Digital Input: DVI-D
Personal Computers: Yes
Networking: Wired:
No
Wireless: No

Javry

I've noticed on at least 2, and maybe more, DVDs that the Oppo will start putting up French subtitles even though I've *never* turned on subtitles at all, on either the Oppo, or the DVD features menus.

This happened with The Incredibles and Pooh's Heffalump Movie (and I think some others--can't recall).

I stopped the DVD and went into the DVD's setup area, went into subtitles, confirmed they were "off" (re-selected "off"), and pushed play. The subtitles never appeared again during that movie. I don't know if stop/play would have also cured it without going into the subtitle menu. Next time, I'll try that.

Has anyone else seen this strange behavior?

Thanks!

Imagine the oppo gets sacd with it next player (which looks extremely likely)..... hope they get enough stock, what more could u want :)

I've noticed on at least 2, and maybe more, DVDs that the Oppo will start putting up French subtitles even though I've *never* turned on subtitles at all, on either the Oppo, or the DVD features menus.

This happened with The Incredibles and Pooh's Heffalump Movie (and I think some others--can't recall).

I stopped the DVD and went into the DVD's setup area, went into subtitles, confirmed they were "off" (re-selected "off"), and pushed play. The subtitles never appeared again during that movie. I don't know if stop/play would have also cured it without going into the subtitle menu. Next time, I'll try that.

Has anyone else seen this strange behavior?

Thanks!

On mine, "The Incredibles" always defaults to showing Spanish (or French...have to check)subtitles, even though they're "off". No other movies, just that one. Wacky.

For the question about the AUTO setting, here's a little more detail:

With the AUTO setting applied in the TV Type menu, PAL DVDs will be output in the PAL format and NTSC DVDs output in NTSC format, regardless of TV type. If you set the Oppo to NTSC, then all DVDs, whether PAL or NTSC, will be output as NTSC (i.e. PAL discs are converted to NTSC). And of course, setting the Oppo to PAL outputs everything in the PAL format, even NTSC discs. AUTO should only be selected if you have a dual format display. If your display is NTSC, only use AUTO if you don't own or use any PAL DVDs, otherwise PAL DVDs playing on an NTSC display will appear scambled.

I noticed when I try to A/B component and dvi, component output doesn't sync right away when going from dvi to component. Usually pressing stop and play again will sync to component. No problems going from component to dvi.

I was watching American Beauty tonight and I noticed that the audio was just a touch off in DTS, DD5.1 is fine. I checked the svideo output simultaneously on my 2nd display while watching and the sound was in sync. I think this is a case where the Faroudja over dvi adds a very slight delay (which is always present but rarely noticeable). This is something that a delay function on the player can fix.

I was watching American Beauty tonight and I noticed that the audio was just a touch off in DTS, DD5.1 is fine. I checked the svideo output simultaneously on my 2nd display while watching and the sound was in sync. I think this is a case where the Faroudja over dvi adds a very slight delay (which is always present but rarely noticeable). This is something that a delay function on the player can fix. Yes. A delay feature on the player will fix that kind of sync problem. It will also compensate for the small amount of video delay that my DLP TV adds into the mix.

Gary

Finally got my sanyo plv-z3 and oppo contrast and brightness calibrated.

oppo: all default settings

sanyo hdmi: L2
sanyo starting preset: powerful
sanyo lamp mode: theather black
sanyo color temp: low1
sanyo iris: -53

PAL DVD setup:
sanyo contrast: +10
sanyo brightness: -16

NTSC DVD setup:
sanyo contrast: +15
sanyo brightness: -4

I calibrated brightness for PAL using DVE (PAL) version. Contrast for PAL using reference black/white calibration dvd v2.0 (NTSC) from this forum when oppo tv mode set to PAL. And finally brightness/contrast for NTSC done using black/white reference calibration dvd v2.0 (NTSC) using oppo tv mode auto.

I could probably also set oppo tv mode to NTSC or PAL instead of AUTO and use only one of my settings from sanyo. I dont know if conversion would decrease image quality so i just have 2 custom settings in sanyo and oppo tv mode set to auto.

Settings look very good ("3d" look) when i checked using James Bond 007: Goldeneye (PAL), Master and Commander (PAL), Back to The Future part 1 (PAL) and I,Robot (NTSC).

update: corrected brightness just -1

Very odd.

So what, exactly, is the cause of the border on the right? Do you see pixel-cropping (using a pixel-cropping test pattern), or is the image offset to the left? Or is it a scaling issue? What's the NATIVE resolution of your plasma?

Many displays, like mine (1280x720 native), have no trouble with offsets and borders at all. So why do only a FEW displays have trouble? And they seem to exhibit the problem differently - some are offset to the right, others to the left, others are just incorrectly scaled (border all the way round). Another thing, as you pointed out, the problem is not unique to the Oppo. So, is it the display or the player, the chicken or the egg?

Gary

There seems to be no pixel cropping happening. The full image seems to fit in correctly into the defined area. I used one of the Video Essentials overscan test patterns to confirm this. It's like the signal being sent to the plasma has been "squeezed" slightly and everything is displayed within this area. The "squeezing" is more prominent, about 1cm, when I run the Oppo in 576p or 1080i but seems less at 720p either in 50hz or 60hz mode.

The native resolution of the plasma I believe to be the usual HD plasma resolution of 1024 x 1024. I've tested several resolutions using my PC including 1280x720x50hz/60hz and there is a perfect fit on the screen. The highest resolution allowed is 1280x1024 60hz

Like I mentioned previously, my Denon 1910 experienced a more severe version of the same problem but with a border all around. Both share a Faroujda chip but different versions. I'm wondering if the Faroujda is performing the DVI output and if this is why both players have this issue. The only reason I'm ruling out that the Plasma is causing the border is due to the fact that all the resolutions and refresh rates that I have tested using the the PC show up perfectly on the screen.

I've been really enjoying the DV971H tonight. "Lawrence of Arabia" never looked better.

Paul

Do you mean this movie looks better on the Oppo than on your Panny S97 ?

There seems to be no pixel cropping happening. The full image seems to fit in correctly into the defined area. I used one of the Video Essentials overscan test patterns to confirm this. It's like the signal being sent to the plasma has been "squeezed" slightly and everything is displayed within this area. The "squeezing" is more prominent, about 1cm, when I run the Oppo in 576p or 1080i but seems less at 720p either in 50hz or 60hz mode.

The native resolution of the plasma I believe to be the usual HD plasma resolution of 1024 x 1024. I've tested several resolutions using my PC including 1280x720x50hz/60hz and there is a perfect fit on the screen. The highest resolution allowed is 1280x1024 60hz

Like I mentioned previously, my Denon 1910 experienced a more severe version of the same problem but with a border all around. Both share a Faroujda chip but different versions. I'm wondering if the Faroujda is performing the DVI output and if this is why both players have this issue. The only reason I'm ruling out that the Plasma is causing the border is due to the fact that all the resolutions and refresh rates that I have tested using the the PC show up perfectly on the screen. Good detail in your post. This is truly mysterious. I don't know enough about the DVI protocol to know what might be different between the PC and the Denon/Oppo. Maybe the PC driver software has extra capability to detect and correct for odd display resolutions??

We know that it has nothing to do with HDCP... the Oppo theoretically gives the same output as a PC at 720x1280. The biggest question is; why does the Denon/Oppo output work perfectly (exactly the same as the PC output) on the majority of displays? Why would a FEW displays deal with DVD signals differently? The only way to find out, is to ask the display manufacturer and/or the forums for your display.

The "squeezing" you describe, (with no pixel-cropping) is indicative of a display scaling issue. The display has to down-convert the player's 1280 horizontal pixels to 1024, but for some reason, the display decides to down-convert further than necessary (to fewer than 1024 pixels).

Gary

If the Oppo passes the blacker than black detail thru 480i component it is a prime player to use with a scaler like the DVDO ISCAN+ or Lumagen.
the mediatek decoder is what makes the oppo special.

According to the Oppo Faq/Braindump thread, the Oppo does not pass BTB via component. Otherwise, I'd probably give it a shot with a scaler because I'm starting to notice more and more MB. There are so many things the Oppo does well, though, I'm reluctant to give it up, and when it looks good, it is really good.

At the time no BTB via component. Even so, after a few firmware updates I should recheck and verify -- just in case. The DV971H's picture adjustment controls do not operate through component, either.

Via the 480i the Oppo is basically a 480i MediaTek player.

Paul

Just wondering if anyone else has this problem with their player. On the first disc of the Blackhawk Down Deluxe DVD, the player endlessly loops at the "The views expressed in commentaries..." section before the movie begins and doesn't continue on to play the movie. I get around this with the scene selection but on my other DVD players I get this note in English, then French, and the movie plays. Anyone else notice this?

Also, this is the first movie where I must go the the disc menu to turn off subtitles. The normally Oppo defaults to English On for me but I am always able to cycle through the various subtitle tracks until they toggle off using the subtitle button on the remote.

Otherwise, it's a great player with some minor quirks.

I'm curious, has anyone tried plugging a DVI-I to VGA adapter into the Oppo to see if it's outputting anything over the analog portion of the DVI-I port? I don't see why they'd use a DVI-I connection instead of DVI-D if the only signal available was digital. As CRT projector user I'd love to see another upscaling player that could output an RGBHV signal.

The connections for dvi-a are just not there, no signal, tested, no go.

Best bet is a momitsu v880dx for RGBHV

Mine also had trouble with subtitles on Return of Jedi, defaulting to all on. It also developed dropouts on the coax SPDIF out over the course of the movie and then quit outputting digital audio completely this last weekend. It also exhibits video freezing and stuttering when trying to use my Avia disk. Anyone else seen that?

Have an RMA to return it.

BB

According to the Oppo Faq/Braindump thread, the Oppo does not pass BTB via component. Otherwise, I'd probably give it a shot with a scaler because I'm starting to notice more and more MB. There are so many things the Oppo does well, though, I'm reluctant to give it up, and when it looks good, it is really good.


Just go ahead and try it. Surely losing BB for no MB is a good trade. Don't you think?

Please read this and report back. This seems to be an aspect ratio issue...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5779229&&#post5779229

vjren, thanks for testing it. Too bad, I liked the Oppo's picture better than the V880, but I haven't seen the V880DX yet, maybe it'll look better.

I'd be willing to bet you will see less MB on the next Oppo firmware release. That is, if you are having MB issues with your display. Look for the shimmering issue to be gone as well.

I'd be willing to bet you will see less MB on the next Oppo firmware release. That is, if you are having MB issues with your display. Look for the shimmering issue to be gone as well.
Do you have some inside info on this? I thought some members of the board had been testing beta firmware and said the shimmering was still there (that it wasn't what they thought and went back to the drawing board).

Thanks

Trust me. It is now fixed. Oppo is making great progress.

Trust me. It is now fixed. Oppo is making great progress.

Excellent news! I had a chance to watch some movies this weekend on my Oppo, other than my initial test with Nemo. I was watching Cellular and saw the shimmering outlines on everything, including skin (it wasn't constant). Also with certiain patterns and lines would cause the shimmering. Last, I did experience the lip sync issue at one point in the movie, but seemed to correct itself about 30 seconds into it. I now see what everyone is talking about. I am looking forward to the fixes and or additions with the new firmware.

Do you have some inside info on this? I thought some members of the board had been testing beta firmware and said the shimmering was still there (that it wasn't what they thought and went back to the drawing board).

Thanks

Misunderstanding is one reason why beta fixes are not publically discussed.

Paul

It is great news that Oppo is working on the problems and requests. I know that beta fixes should not be discussed but I hope that Oppo has a fix for the Lip Sync issues along with the other requests. They are making a great player even better.

They are making a great player even better.

How true. Amazing support for such a low priced product. Hopefully this will only lead to bigger and better things.

It is great news that Oppo is working on the problems and requests. I know that beta fixes should not be discussed but I hope that Oppo has a fix for the Lip Sync issues along with the other requests. They are making a great player even better.

Hooray, hooray! I like their customer service over many larger manufacturers just from what I read. But this 'get your weekly firmware update' on this genre of DVD players gets a bit tiring.

Tiring to some, exciting to others. We're trying to get this $200 player to some lofty heights.

Paul

Tiring to some, exciting to others. We're trying to get this $200 player to some lofty heights.

Paul
If they have fixed the shimmering (and reduced the MB)... then I will be one happy customer. It has been somewhat exciting to see them work out the kinks one by one...

-Terry

If they have fixed the shimmering (and reduced the MB)... then I will be one happy customer. It has been somewhat exciting to see them work out the kinks one by one...

-Terry

Whatever floats your boat! :D


Seriously, I like seeing them beat down the big boys some....what do you folks think of the audio quality for CD or DVD music? I have to think some compromising of analog circuitry at this price point. Love to be proven wrong.

Misunderstanding is one reason why beta fixes are not publically discussed.

Paul

Great to hear that they are likely to fix the shimmering!

If lip sync is fixed too, this player would be just about perfect, especially given the price tag!

Trust me. It is now fixed. Oppo is making great progress.

c'mon Liteup.....don't be cruel.....tell us a little more :p

I can' wait but I will have to like many others. I appreciate the all the hard work and customer support from Oppo. It is better to wait to get things done right than to push out a new firmware that needs many other fixes.

Thanks to the Oppo and to the Beta testers.

If the Oppo would do blacker than black thru 480i it would be a killer combined with a DVDO ISCAN HD+.

I too, now have noticed the lip sync issue.......I fix this by pausing and unpausing and it is good to go............And i have noticed it on all kinds of dvd,s.......but this player still rules as i am confident that oppo will fix this via firmware.........buying this player should not even be a question....the only question i can see is why havent you bought one???

lol....but i do mean that........in fact why havent you bought 2?? I am an HT installer and i am reselling these units with inhome service at 599$ a pop........

Thanks oppo and all the awesome people on here!!

Good report Deez!

Anyone looking for a high-performance DVD player may do quite well to have the Oppo on the "short list".

Paul

Mine also had trouble with subtitles on Return of Jedi, defaulting to all on. It also developed dropouts on the coax SPDIF out over the course of the movie and then quit outputting digital audio completely this last weekend. It also exhibits video freezing and stuttering when trying to use my Avia disk. Anyone else seen that?

Have an RMA to return it. Trouble with subtitles is a known issue, but dropouts and freezing is not.. I've never seen such an issue. If the disk is in perfect condition, it could be a laser alignment problem (or dust, insect, etc). In that case, having it repaired/replaced is a good idea.

Gary

Had a freeze-up watching the 10th Anniversary edition of "Casino" I picked up yesterday, and a bit of lip-synch. Anyone have this title?

Trouble with subtitles is a known issue, but dropouts and freezing is not.. I've never seen such an issue. If the disk is in perfect condition, it could be a laser alignment problem (or dust, insect, etc). In that case, having it repaired/replaced is a good idea.

Gary

Yeah, I have been following both threads and understand the subtitle issue is being addressed. Wrote my post sort of poorly implying the two things were related, when I know they're not.

One other guy in the Brain Dump thread has the video stuttering issue on one (or two?) disk. It is only on some disks for me as well. But one is my Avia disk which has been in many many players (calibrating friends', family's and neighbors' sets) and never had a problem.

BB

I have a video "stutter" that occurs about every 5 seconds or so on a stationary Avia Pro pattern (like sharpness). I've never had it on a regular DVD though and it doesn't affect my use of Avia. In any event, it has been reported to Oppo. I've never had audio dropouts or subtitle problems.

Please forgive me for not reading all 84 pages of this thread (but I did do a search). I was wondering if anyone could comment on the pros/cons for this player over s-video. I'm looking for a new player (multi-region and pal>ntsc are key) but presently only have an older TV with composite and s-video. I'm looking to get a new plasma sometime this year though. I know that most of the talk on this player is with regard to DVI (and the chips involved in the processing on that side of things). Right now I'm using a Panny CP-72 and have been happy with it. Could anyone comment on what I could expect from the Oppo over s-video?

Thanks!

If you're not going to use DVI, there's really no reason to buy the Oppo. With S-video, a cheaper region-free player would work just as well. I would wait until you get the plasma.

Well, I also don't want to just buy a "throw-away" player if I end up getting a new TV in a couple months ;)

Over S-video, might the Oppo be comparable to my present Panny? Would there be any issues with PAL conversion/output over S-video?

Oh, if it's only going to be a few months before you get a DVI-equipped TV, then that's different. I don't think you'd see any difference between the Panny and the Oppo over S-video. I haven't used a PAL disk with S-video, but it should work. Maybe someone else has tried that.

the mediatek decoder is what makes the oppo special.

The Mediatek's picture is a little soft and then artificially sharpened. There are better MPEG decoders out there.

The Mediatek's picture is a little soft and then artificially sharpened. There are better MPEG decoders out there.

Nah not many.

The Mediatek's picture is a little soft and then artificially sharpened. There are better MPEG decoders out there.


I'm guessing you didn't mean to indicate all players using Mediatek chips. It all depends on the implementation. I own players (other than the Oppo) using Mediatek chips and the picture is oustanding. One example is the Daewoo 8100N. If it weren't for quirky playback issues, and a few other negatives, it would be my all-star.