Someone else indicated that their were no sync problems using analog output, so I'll probably try that instead of the coax digital output im currently using. Hello Rick in Gresham!

Unfortunately, the sync problem is a VIDEO delay issue, so the analog outputs will not improve the situation.

Gary

Uh Oh! I can't believe there's an audio sync issue with the OPPO. Audio sync is one the the truly fundamental requirements for a DVD player to have. What the heck good is a player, no matter how good it looks if you've got to stop/rewind/play, etc, to get sync back? It just ruins the effect of being involved with the movie. I've ordered my OPPO and it should arrive this Friday, I really hope I don't have to return it. Yes, audio sync issues come for free with the Faroudja processor. I'm not concerned though, because Panasonic, Samsung, Denon and others, have successfully addressed this issue, with the help of Genesis engineers. Oppo will hopefully be able to do the same.

Gary

3) Everyone is talking about calibrating the player. I asked a similar question in the pj forum but I still don't have answer I understand. Since both the projection device, in my case an H-77, and the dvd player can / should be calibrated, where do you start? If you are using both in the system how do you know if it's the dvd or pj that is out of calibration. This problem always seems like the chicken and egg dilemma to me. How do you calibrate both? Never fear, its quite simple. The Oppo's default configuration is very good. It is not necessary to calibrate the player, so calibrate the display. Obviously, you need to set the player's resolution to match the native resolution of your display before you calibrate.

However, you may have reason to calibrate the player:

If, for example, the display shares its DVI port with another device, you would first calibrate the display to the other DVI device, then calibrate the player to match that device.

Another example - if your display has a limited range or gradation of adjustment, you might want to tweak the player a bit before calibrating the display.

Gary

Hi guys, sorry if this was already asked. I don't see JPEG as a supported format for the Oppo, specifically. Have you played back a set of digi pics burned to a CD-R and if so, how's the performance? My Denon 2900 is REALLY slow in loading large files, and my Bravo is much faster. I'm looking to replace the Bravo with the Oppo, and wanted to see if anyone has feedback on this issue. Thanks

can anyone tell me or post your settings you are using with a Samsung DLP ? this would help me alot and guide me a bit in what settings to use... i'm just horrible setting this thing up, any help to guide me in the right direction would be great. using the avia dvd just takes me forever i can't seem to find the right settings. Set the Oppo to 720p and keep the rest of the settings at default. Then be sure to calibrate the DLP TV.

Gary

GSB, I hade the Denon 3910 with the same Faroudja processing and had zero lip sync problems. I hope you're right about OPPO being able to fix this.

Cliff,

I agree with your observations, but I'm not too worried yet. Oppo is still working on the zooms.

Did you notice that the vertical stretch is slightly lacking when using the zoom (a circle is squished into an oval)? This may be because DVD pixels are not square, so when a player scales the image for a square-pixel display panel, the vertical has to be stretched slightly more than the horizontal. This may not have been taken into account, but Oppo is aware of this, and is continuing to work on it. The zooms are very complex, because they affect the square-pixel AVI images too.

Gary

I've noticed that the 1.5 zoom is lacking, but it looks to me like 2X and up are correct. But, in all honesty, I'd live with the slightly lacking stretch in favor of a stable image without all the aliasing and color tearing. I have faith that Oppo will eventually fix the issue, but for now I find it impossible to watch in its current state.

Cliff

Hi guys, sorry if this was already asked. I don't see JPEG as a supported format for the Oppo, specifically. Have you played back a set of digi pics burned to a CD-R and if so, how's the performance? My Denon 2900 is REALLY slow in loading large files, and my Bravo is much faster. I'm looking to replace the Bravo with the Oppo, and wanted to see if anyone has feedback on this issue. Thanks


The Oppo does support JPEG files burned to CD. and one better is that my Denon 2200 wouldn't read discs burned under Mac OSX (natively), but the Oppo works fine. I even tried just choosing burn to CD from iPhoto, and the Oppo read them fine... although it's not blazing fast. it's not terribly slow, but that just depends on your version of slow.

well i got my Oppo today and finally got to hook it up and play with it.

all i can say is wow. this is a awesome DVD player.

I left the setting to default:

Sharpness : Off
Truelife : On
CCS : Off

Using it on my Sony GWIII 50WE610 via DVI (also calibrated and tweaked via UMR's GWIII thread)

I was originally thinking i would use it in 480p mode and let my TV upconvert, but after running Digital Video Essentials, all the test patterns, etc looked best at 720p

I even tried 1080i, but 720p was best in every test pattern, especially the Snell & Wilcox "bouncing ball".

I then put in Shrek 2, and it was almost like watching a HD DVD, and i would go so far as to say it looks better than some HD movies on HBO.

Then i threw in Star Wars II ATOC, and it looked great, better than i remember on my old Denon 2200.

I'll be rediscovering my DVD collection again, and hitting the local Hollywood Video (which i haven't been to in over 6 month!)

Also i love the way the player is packaged. especially the nice cloth like cover the player comes wrapped in with Oppo printed on it....

Thanks to all of you , and all in all, it's the best $200 i've spent in a long time.

Mine comes tomorrow I can't wait to hook it up to my Toshiba DLP!

That's encouraging, kray. I have a GWIV and hope for similar results. I get mine tomorrow also, mplameri.
Not into multi-regional capability, PAL, etc. Just good overall film quality playing DVDs through HDMI.
Until now, I did not hold much promise for DCDi processing with Sony GWs.

Hello Rick in Gresham!

Unfortunately, the sync problem is a VIDEO delay issue, so the analog outputs will not improve the situation.

Gary


Oh well, I'll see if anything else comes to mind. Since 60-80% of audio is from the centrer speaker, would there be any benefit in messing with the config setting for just that speaker? Just grasping at astraws I guess. I'm out of town a few days, so I'll try a few things this weekend.

Do you think OPPO will continue to work on this issue, or, has some posts have suggested, are they going to just say it's as good as it gets? Any idea?

Thanks again for the info here.

Rick

Got my 42WE655 today. Immediately hooked up the TV with the OPPO player. Updated with the latest firmware and wow! Superb color rendition of the Incredibles DVD at 720p via DVI to HDMI connection. I remember watching this same DVD using my LST-3510 and my 47" CRT Projection and it wasn't that defined and crisp. I haven't even calibrated the TV using DVE. I watched in PRO mode which is the subdued setting. This OPPO is a keeper! So does my new 42WE655.

Now to look for tweaks... hehehe

Oh well, I'll see if anything else comes to mind. Since 60-80% of audio is from the centrer speaker, would there be any benefit in messing with the config setting for just that speaker? Just grasping at astraws I guess. I'm afraid not. This is an intermittent problem. Fortunately it doesn't happen too often.

Do you think OPPO will continue to work on this issue, or, has some posts have suggested, are they going to just say it's as good as it gets? Any idea? I'm sure they'll fix it eventually. But it may take some time.

Gary

GSB, I hade the Denon 3910 with the same Faroudja processing and had zero lip sync problems. I hope you're right about OPPO being able to fix this. The Denon threads are full of audio-sync complaints too. Particularly the older models (or firmware revisions). Denon seems to have fixed it in some of their later players. Since it is a Faroudja/Genesis issue, Oppo will have to consult with Genesis engineers to fix it. Other manufacturers have done it before, so I'm confident that Oppo will be able to do the same.

We just need to be patient.

Gary

I just got my Oppo player a couple days ago and am having some problems with my Sony KD34XS955 - Anybody experience similar problems or have any ideas?

The DVD player locks up randomly and sometimes dumps me to the “Oppo” screen with the stop icon in the upper right corner, no matter how many times I press the play button it doesn’t respond, the only way I can get it to respond is to power-cycle the player. I've tried numerous DVDs from Tomb Raider to Finding Nemo to Ice Age... No luck, they all suffer the problem. I’ve tried both component and DVI-HDMI connections and the problem seems to be only on the DVI port. I should also mention that I've only really tested on 1080i as thats the native resolution of my television.

I’ve verified that the DVI-HDMI cable isn’t faulty as I’ve used various other devices (my old Samsung SIR-T165 OTA ATSC receiver with DVI) to output to the TV and nothing seems to suffer from any display problems like the DVD player. I don’t have a true DVI monitor to test this on, thus my need for the HDMI cable.

I’ve also noticed that the player fails to initially read the DVD approximately 33% of the time… Sometimes I have to open and close the tray to get the DVD to be recognized.

Thanks in advance - I've also contacted Oppo to see what they have to say.

I just got my Oppo player a couple days ago and am having some problems with my Sony KD34XS955 - Anybody experience similar problems or have any ideas?

You tried both 540p and 1080i from oppo? Those are different 1080i modes. If that doesnt help sounds like faulty player since you mention dvds like finding nemo. Or maybe its between player and display if component works.. really hard to tell.

Thats what the mystery mode is... When I switch from 480p to the next one the screen goes black and doesn't display anything until I hit the DVI button on the remote to get it to 720p and then 1080i. So to answer your question, no 540p doesn't work because the Sony won't display it.

As for it being the cable, thats why I used my old ATSC tuner which I needed a DVI-HDMI cable and that worked without any problems... So thats what led me to believe it was the DVD player.

Thanks for the feedback.

untfan, that sounds like a faulty player. You could try pulling the power plug for a few minutes, or reflashing the latest firmware to see if that helps. If not, Oppo will happily repair it.

Gary

Untifan, I agree that it sounds like a faulty player. You might try to reload the firmware and see what happens before you send it back. Sometimes the firmware could get corrupted.
It might be worth a try.

Gary, thanks for the explanation on the calibration. I'll use the oppo defaults and calibrate the pj. The only other dvi device I may have will be some sat hd tivo. Don't have one right now but probably will when the theater is complete. If I get said tivo I will have to recalibrate the pj to it and then adjust the oppo, correct?

Jriihi, thanks for the tray response. After posting on this thread I saw something about the tray closing being removed in the brain dump thread. Good to know the unit isn't defective.

Uh Oh! I tried doing the firmware upgrade and now I have no display on the front panel. I went by Oppo's directions saying that it would take 1 to 2 minutes to do the upgrade. Well I waited 30 minutes and there was no indication that it finished. So I unplugged the machine for 30 mins and I get no display and I cant open the drawer either. Somehow I must have corrupted the firmware install *crap*. Is there a way to restore it to factory and them try again??

Thanks in advance!
Flan

Does anyoune knows what happened with this issue. I received my Oppo yesterday. Did the firmware update and start calibrating it.

Using the THX optimizer Audio Test, I found the out of synchronize problem (channel identification with the test tone always behind the visual aid on the screen). DVD discs were Star Wars II ATOC and Clone Wars animated serie.

Did Oppo digital give an official answer regarding this issue?

Does it has any relation with the audio lip-sync problem.



Thanks,

Equipment:
Display Sony LCD RPTV KF-50WE610 using DVI input
Player: Oppo 971H upconvert to 720p
REceiver: TX-DS797

Press setup then 1 2 3 4. A Macrovision on/off menu apears.

Thanks for jriihi at MT13x9 Yahoogroups Forum for the hack.

Using the THX optimizer Audio Test, I found the out of synchronize problem (channel identification with the test tone always behind the visual aid on the screen). DVD discs were Star Wars II ATOC and Clone Wars animated serie.

Did Oppo digital give an official answer regarding this issue?

Does it has any relation with the audio lip-sync problem.

No idea about relation. I get this test tone thing in thx audio test but dont have any lip-sync issues during movies so far.

As related note i run macrovision off always.. but that doesnt affect DVI output ;)

I too had a glitch when flashing with the latest formware. :eek:

After completion all I saw on the TV was "unsupported signal" or something like that. I re-flashed according to the instructions in the BLIND and after the second attempt...after it was finished the second time I shut the player off and then back on...then I had to use the DVI button on the remote to choose 720P and everything was OK.

I flashed it connected to a Samsung DLP through DVI.

Not sure if the second flash had anything to do with it..but it worked for me. :o

Uh Oh! I tried doing the firmware upgrade and now I have no display on the front panel. I went by Oppo's directions saying that it would take 1 to 2 minutes to do the upgrade. Well I waited 30 minutes and there was no indication that it finished. So I unplugged the machine for 30 mins and I get no display and I cant open the drawer either. Somehow I must have corrupted the firmware install *crap*. Is there a way to restore it to factory and them try again??

Thanks in advance!
Flan

I too had a glitch when flashing with the latest formware. :eek:

After completion all I saw on the TV was "unsupported signal" or something like that. I re-flashed according to the instructions in the BLIND and after the second attempt...after it was finished the second time I shut the player off and then back on...then I had to use the DVI button on the remote to choose 720P and everything was OK.

I flashed it connected to a Samsung DLP through DVI.

Not sure if the second flash had anything to do with it..but it worked for me. :o

Hmm, I wonder what turning off Macrovision does? Would it get rid of the problems some have been experiencing with uniform scenes? I also found that pressing 1379 would get me into the version numbers for my Oppo and let me change the region code. This may have already been talked about, and I just missed it.


Sounds like you might be getting Macrovision and macroblocking mixed up?


Macrovision is a copy protection scheme that causes an analog recorder like a VCR to display/record a picture in which the light level varies from bright to dim over & over.

Macroblocking is a side-effect of Farjouda processing.

Yep, you are exactly right, I was confused in my haste. Two entirely different beasts. If only it were that simple, someone would have figured it out by now ;-) I still turned off macrovision, just because I could....

I too had a glitch when flashing with the latest formware. :eek:

After completion all I saw on the TV was "unsupported signal" or something like that. I re-flashed according to the instructions in the BLIND and after the second attempt...after it was finished the second time I shut the player off and then back on...then I had to use the DVI button on the remote to choose 720P and everything was OK.

I flashed it connected to a Samsung DLP through DVI.

Not sure if the second flash had anything to do with it..but it worked for me. :o


The problem is that I cant get the door to open! ARG! I cant reflash it.

If I get said tivo I will have to recalibrate the pj to it and then adjust the oppo, correct? Yes.

This definitely needs to be put in the first post of the Brain Dump thread next to the Region settings. ;)

Press setup then 1 2 3 4. A Macrovision on/off menu apears.

Thanks for jriihi at MT13x9 Yahoogroups Forum for the hack.

The problem is that I cant get the door to open! ARG! I cant reflash it. Did you try unplugging the unit for a few minutes? If that doesn't help, it may have died. Contact Oppo.

Gary

Please note: It is VERY important that you verify the condition of the .bin file after burning it. On 3 occasions, my dialup connection successfully downloaded the .iso file, but I found that it had been corrupted. Some of the data had been replaced by blanks, which meant that the file size checked out correctly, and the burn was successful, some data was present on the disk, but to Windows, the disk appeared to be blank (empty and unlabelled). In that case, download the file again and burn a new disk.

Use a fresh CD in perfect condition (no fingerprints, dust, scratches or abrasions). Use a slow burn speed. Check that the CD has been labeled with a name reflecting the date of the firmware release. Check that Windows can see the .bin file, preferably in another CD drive. Follow Oppo's instructions to the letter. If the upgrade fails, DO NOT turn off the power. Keep reflashing until successful (with a new disk if necessary).

Gary

Thanks for all the help. I got an RMA from Oppo....she's sick and going to the hospital.

Well I got mine today. And after much excitement I'm pretty dissapointed. First I calibrated with AVIA. Everything seemed great. I threw in Episode 2 and was actually not that impressed with the picture(using HDMI to my Toshiba). I prefer the look of my Onkyo SP502 over component to what I got with the Oppo. Then I threw in Gladiator...I saw a bunch of Macroblocking and then saw the Audio Sync problem. This sync problem occured on every single DVD I put into it. Unbearable. So I had to e-mail oppo with an RMA. Will they issue a refund to me?

Probably oppo has compatibility issues with some receivers or displays because if someone has audio sync and other doesnt. MB ofcourse is another issue but we all know about that..

I thought I posted about this a while ago, but during the late 90's to early 00's I am 99% sure that there were some Onkyo receivers that would have bad lip sync issues with certain players. Is it possible that this is happening here and we have a compatiblity issue? I've NEVER observed a lip sync problem with the Oppo on my Yamaha receiver.

I've NEVER observed a lip sync problem with the Oppo on my Yamaha receiver.

Wait.. Now we are getting somewhere. I have yamaha receiver too and no lip sync problems.

Press setup then 1 2 3 4. A Macrovision on/off menu apears.

Thanks for jriihi at MT13x9 Yahoogroups Forum for the hack.

In the off position Macrovision is still on when passing the video to a dvd recorder "No record" block still shows ?
Paul

Wait.. Now we are getting somewhere. I have yamaha receiver too and no lip sync problems.
Like I said, I remember threads where it was like: What receiver do you have, what DVD player, and what display, and it came down to Onkyo receivers (which was known, but not all people had problems, and it was only DD and not DTS or some weird thing).

I have mine connected to a Denon AVR-5800 with NO lip sync problems ever. My Oppo audio output is selected to 96kHz.

Mine is connected to the Denon AVR1705 and a Toshiba DLP TV.....The lip sync is unbearable and it happens all the time! It is not just an intermitent problem.

Well.. I just got my OPPO. Uncalibrated it looks very good. Better than the Marantz DV9500 and 99.5% as good as the Denon 3910. The 3910 is a little better with panning. I think I notice the slightest lip sync problem. I haven't seen the really bad lip sync problem yet, but then I've only tried two DVD's since I've only had it for two hours. I'll keep reporting as I go. Audio is very good, no complaints yet. I don't like to critique audio until a player has 150 hours or so break in time.

My receiver (Arcam AVR300) has audio adjustments also. How does one accurately adjust for lip sync/timing? I hope it's not typically done "by eye".

I'm not having any lip-sync issues either as of yet....

used with Yamaha RXV750 and Sony GWIII.

Seems i've read a lot of DLP owners are experiecing lip-sync issues

Use the Oppo's audio delay feature to compensate for constant video delays that may be introduced by the disk, the player or the display - or accumulated from all three. Set it to 50ms (max). Yes, DLP does introduce extra video delays.

Always remember that some DVD's are mastered with bad sync, so try a whole range of disks before cursing the Oppo.

The really bad intermittent (and very occasional) sync problem cannot be compensated for. Just stop, or rewind the scene a few frames, and the problem goes away. Oppo will eventually fix that issue.

Gary

I have DLP and am not seeing delays, granted, I've only had it for a day, so I'll keep you guys posted.

I have DLP and am not seeing delays, granted, I've only had it for a day, so I'll keep you guys posted. When feeding DVI into a DLP at its native resolution, the delay may be as little as 20-30ms (very hard to see), but if the rest of the equipment is adding to the delays, it becomes far more noticable.

Gary

Yes. Definitely. It is amazing how good plain old NTSC DVD looks with such a low cost player hooked up via DVI to the Optoma H79. A few years ago you be paying ten times as much for the same amount of enjoyment. Add in HDTV via DVI and wow - a picture at home that repreatedly reminds me I was right to give up my CRT and move forward. All at a price that is well -- essentially disposable so future upgrades are definitely easier.

Even better, my wife can run the system and likes the sharper, brighter, bigger picture over our old CRT based system. You know what that means in terms of getting more toys later.

Sounds good Guy, my Oppo just arrived at the shop. Can't wait to see the difference. The H79 is some powerhouse heh? Right keeping the family happy is a bonus feature of an easy HT setup. Here you go, wife and daughter watching the OC's first season on DVD. Two happy blondie campers. :)
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79xtylzoe.jpg

Let me first say that I have an Infocus 4805. My question:

The digital signal sent via DVI from OPPO to any pj, is then handled in anyway by the interlacer of the pj? The reason for my question: one of the great benefits of the OPPO is the Faroudja chip and the great interlacing qualities it has, right? If, instead of the OPPO, we use another low cost player with HDMI or DVI output, could we get this signal processed by the Faroudja chip of the Infocus - which actually happens to be the 2310 in both cases? Could you tell me how this works?

The oppo is sending a deinterlaced/scaled picture to the display, hence the video is already processed when it goes to the display. Depending on the display, it will then scale it to its native resolution or simply pass it through the display.

The Faroudja in the 4805 only process 480i video signals coming from the composite, svideo, or component inputs. The 4805 accepts 480i through the m1 port, but Faroudja will not process it correctly. You will use an m1 to dvi adapter in order to connect dvi to the 4805. The same goes for hdmi.

Oppo is a very class act

See my post a couple of pages earlier with my problem with my new Oppo. Luckily, I work in Mountain View, CA where they are located and just got back from dropping by after a series of email correspondence. They took my DVD player and hooked it up and loaded a DVD and bam it didn't load - They got me a brand new player, upgraded it on the spot, tested it out, and out the door I was in under 15 minutes.

They truly seemed genuine and were sorry to have caused me the inconvience - really wasn't that bad except for the hair I lost the past two nights trying to figure out what was wrong... They were as nice today as they were when I stopped by earlier in the week to pick-up my purchase.

Looking forward to hooking this thing up and seeing what it can deliver.

Wait.. Now we are getting somewhere. I have yamaha receiver too and no lip sync problems.

I experience the intermittent audio sync problems. I have a Tosh RP-CRT. I also found out today that I was sending it a 720p DVI signal. On my display, the OPPO DVI resolution doesnt show because my tv blanks out while syncing.

Both GSB here, and Oppo recommended that I connect up componnet cable and watch that input while pressing DVI. This afternoon I set that up, and found I was at the 720P signal. I now have it set to 1080i and will see this weekend how it goes with the intermittent syncing problem.

Thanks,
Rick

480p,540p,720p,1080i. Your set probably goes blank for a couple of seconds while it synchronizes with the new DVI signal, so you never see the Oppo's reported resolution. Doesn't your set have an "info" or "OSD/display" button that reports your current settings and inputs? Another easy way to check, is to hook up a cheap composite cable and watch THAT input while you change the DVI resolution, then switch back to the DVI input.

Gary

Gary,

I connected up component cable this afternoon. and your recommendation worked. I see that I had set it to 720p. I now have it set to 1080i. I will recheck the issue I had with intermittent audio sync using this.

Thanks!
Rick

I now have it set to 1080i. I will recheck the issue I had with intermittent audio sync using this. It shouldn't make any difference.

Gary

What are the audio settings in the Oppo. I use "96kHz" (the highest my Denon AVR-5800 will accept) and "Raw" to my DTS Denon receiver...I have never had any delay on any disc.

Just received mine, and I will say it is a very good player. The PQ through HDMI is at least as good, if not better than the my previous Sony NS975.
I ran a few resolution tests per Avia and 720p vs. 1080i is virtually a dead heat.
I presently have sharpness set at 1 and other controls at '0'.
Audio is very nice too. Actually, exceeding my expectations for a 200 buck player.
I have not watched enough to see if there are any significant artifacts. I would say sharpness, color, black level, and lack of grain are all high points.
Have a lot more DVDs to run through this baby..but so far very pleased.
It has the latest firmware on-board. had doubts about DCDi and Sony RP LCDs, but this is probably about as good as one could expect. And that's not a bad thing.
This will hold me over until HD DVDs are on the scene, very nicely, thank you.

What are the audio settings in the Oppo. I use "96kHz" (the highest my Denon AVR-5800 will accept) and "Raw" to my DTS Denon receiver...I have never had any delay on any disc.

Thanks for reminding me. No delay noticed either :)

Great report Videoaddikt! Glad you are enjoying the player.

Paul

Great report Videoaddikt! Glad you are enjoying the player.

Paul

If there is one criticism it is the picture is a bit soft. I have sharpness on '1'. I am not going to start changing a bunch of settings until I run more movies through.

Setting the sharpness above "Low" will introduce the "shimmer" (due to excessive edge enhancement) that was a hot topic on this thread for months.

Paul

Setting the sharpness above "Low" will introduce the "shimmer" (due to excessive edge enhancement) that was a hot topic on this thread for months.

Paul
Yes, and I did mean Low not '1'.
It could be my display has more tolerance and will show less shimmer. One of the things I need to play with.

I checked the THX Optimizer via the Incredibles last night with the new firmware. I still get the off-set display with the sound by one speaker [ie, sound=right front speaker; display=center speaker]. It works perfectly when using the Pani XP-30 or the Esoteric DV-50s.
Javry

If there is one criticism it is the picture is a bit soft. I have sharpness on '1'. I am not going to start changing a bunch of settings until I run more movies through.

I have noticed this also. I have a Panny PT-43LC14, that is ISF calibrated. Maybe my display?

My D1 just died. Pulled the trigger on the Oppo. DVI to a PLV-70. Thanks for the recommendation, Brandon!
Gordon

I have noticed this also. I have a Panny PT-43LC14, that is ISF calibrated. Maybe my display?

Even though your display is calibrated, a GOOD thing. you might want to tweak up your user controls a bit with Avia or THX optimizer, to better match your player.
Leave the main settings at zero in the player.
I am playing around with the sharpness a bit to see what differences it makes. Of course, not all DVDs are created equal either.

If there is one criticism it is the picture is a bit soft. I have sharpness on '1'. I am not going to start changing a bunch of settings until I run more movies through.

I find this surprising. With the Oppo Sharpness set to Low (and sharpness set very low on my Sony CRT RPTV), the Oppo easily has the sharpest image I've ever seen without looking overly harsh or electronic. I imagine with some tweaking you will find a way to increase sharpness.

0629 Firmware Upgrade

Back from a business trip and found out about the 0628 firmware upgrade. The PQ was stunning after the upgrade watching the Incredibles. I knew at least 2 friends pulled the trigger.

This is my main player going forward. I am very happy as it is now. I do not any issues as a deffective. This is simply the best sub$200 upconverting DVD player in the market. It is like the red wine, it gets only better and better after these firmware upgrades and now it is nearly perfect.

OPPO, you rock.

well i got my Oppo today and finally got to hook it up and play with it.

all i can say is wow. this is a awesome DVD player.

I left the setting to default:

Sharpness : Off
Truelife : On
CCS : Off

Using it on my Sony GWIII 50WE610 via DVI (also calibrated and tweaked via UMR's GWIII thread)

I was originally thinking i would use it in 480p mode and let my TV upconvert, but after running Digital Video Essentials, all the test patterns, etc looked best at 720p

I even tried 1080i, but 720p was best in every test pattern, especially the Snell & Wilcox "bouncing ball".

I then put in Shrek 2, and it was almost like watching a HD DVD, and i would go so far as to say it looks better than some HD movies on HBO.

Then i threw in Star Wars II ATOC, and it looked great, better than i remember on my old Denon 2200.

I'll be rediscovering my DVD collection again, and hitting the local Hollywood Video (which i haven't been to in over 6 month!)

Also i love the way the player is packaged. especially the nice cloth like cover the player comes wrapped in with Oppo printed on it....

Thanks to all of you , and all in all, it's the best $200 i've spent in a long time.

I concur!

Even though your display is calibrated, a GOOD thing. you might want to tweak up your user controls a bit with Avia or THX optimizer, to better match your player.
Leave the main settings at zero in the player.
I am playing around with the sharpness a bit to see what differences it makes. Of course, not all DVDs are created equal either.

I have tweaked it with Avia and same results. I know one dvd differs from another. I also think that watching HD has trained my eye to that PQ and dvd's just look so much worse. I think HD has spoiled my eyes...lol.

I find that sharpness set to off and sharpness 0 from my display gives good picture. Sharpness low from oppo gives maybe little bit too sharp picture. This is with projector.

I've had the Denon 3910 and the Marantz DV9500 recently. I haven't tweaked the OPPO yet., but so far the OPPO looks better than the 9500 ( a $2000 player) but not quite as good as the Denon, even though it's very close. It's perhaps the slightest bit softer than the Denon, but I'm not sure yet. On both my Denon and Marantz I was able to use a different power cord since they're designed with a detachable power cord. Please, let's not turn this into another great cable debate when I say this, but when I switched power cords my PQ was cleaner, less general hash, hence better black, the clarity gained could be described as less soft. Color seemed more solid with less blooming as well. Now, it so happened I had a fairly pricey power cord available from a previous system I sold ( Harmonic Technology's "Fantasy") It costs somewhere between $200 -$350, I don't recall. I'd bet some of the difference I'd noticed between the Denon/Marantz and the OPPO is from the dinky little power cord it comes with. I'm not suggesting anyone spend $300 on a power cord for a $200 player, but there are some very good quality power cords available for around $50 that are more in line with the OPPO's relatively low price and I suspect they'd help with the "softness". Also, let's not go too far in describing the OPPO as "soft", it's got one of the sharpest pictures I've seen in general and I've had a dozen DVD players.


If OPPO is listening, try making the next player with a detachable power cord, it can't hurt. I'll try to watch a few more movies today and look at the audio sync more carefully.

Aren't the audio choices ( 96kHz, 192kHz, etc.) pertaining to the analogue outs? Digital outs are by nature "raw" and processing is done at the receiver/pre-pro.

Forgot to mention that the OPPO is indeed slightly incompatible with the InFocus 4805 as far as properly filling the entire screen. My Denon 3910 and Marantz DV9500 fit my screen perfectly. When I switched from DVI DVD playback to cable HDTV it was fine. How come that's not true of the OPPO?

Forgot to mention that the OPPO is indeed slightly incompatible with the InFocus 4805 as far as properly filling the entire screen. My Denon 3910 and Marantz DV9500 fit my screen perfectly. When I switched from DVI DVD playback to cable HDTV it was fine. How come that's not true of the OPPO?

Been mentioned several times. I blame the Oppo (along with other a few other non 4805 users). Oppo blames the display.

Overscan will make the picture fit a little better.

Been mentioned several times. I blame the Oppo (along with other a few other non 4805 users). Oppo blames the display.

Yeah there is overscan in 480p,576p and 1080i modes with sanyo plv-z3 720p projector when set overscan 0 from projector. Only mode without overscan is 720p in this case. Didnt test 540p but i expect it to have overscan also.

JaPhule, I've also used a few other DVD players as well as the Denon 3910 and the Marantz DV9500 and I agree with you, the incorrect sizing fault is with the OPPO and not the 4805.

Been mentioned several times. I blame the Oppo (along with other a few other non 4805 users). Oppo blames the display.

Overscan will make the picture fit a little better.

It's the display because I have the Optoma H31 same chip as the 4805 and just checked every resolution and they show zero overscan and zero pixel crop.

Hey, boy the Oppo has come a long way since the day one machine. Just put my new Oppo thru the paces and it's flawless. With the Optoma H79 DLP projector and the Oppo you get a mother beautiful picture. Gone are the color problems, gone is the over sharpness, deinterlacling's spectacular, navigation lickety split.

nice job Oppo.

I highly recommend the Oppo for any of you Optoma H31 owners right now. Plus just think maybe down the road they'll add the 854x480P Res.

Aren't the audio choices ( 96kHz, 192kHz, etc.) pertaining to the analogue outs? Digital outs are by nature "raw" and processing is done at the receiver/pre-pro. No, the 96kHz, 192kHz, audio choices are for the LPCM (digital) output. Set it to the highest bitrate that your receiver can handle. If your receiver has 192kHz DAC's then set the Oppo to 192. The Oppo's analog outputs use the on-board 192kHz DAC's full-time for impressive sound.

Gary

It's the display because I have the Optoma H31 same chip as the 4805 and just checked every resolution and they show zero overscan and zero pixel crop.

Hey, boy the Oppo has come a long way since the day one machine. Just put my new Oppo thru the paces and it's flawless. With the Optoma H79 DLP projector and the Oppo you get a mother beautiful picture. Gone are the color problems, gone is the over sharpness, deinterlacling's spectacular, navigation lickety split.
.......

I completely agree about the 720P DVI output. No overscan or underscan seen on the Optoma H79. I also checked 480P output to see if the projector would do a better job scaling. It was pretty obvious on the Avia PRO resolution tests that the OPPO player does better scaling than the H79's internal scaler. There were fewer discontinuities in the pattern when the player does the scaling.

That's good news for H31 owners. If Oppo adds a 854X480 then they can get 1.1 also, but for now having the Oppo do the scaling sounds fine.

I guess we all have different tastes, from reading I see many like Oppo sharp at low. I'm not a super sharpness lover so with the H79 I set it's sharpness to minimum and also in the Oppo I set sharpness to off. The H79 is so crisp you don't need any extra imo, added sharpness just looked like added noise. What do you think?

What audio DAC is used in the Oppo?

any audio people have an opinion on the CD playback quality over regular audio RCA outs?

it sounded pretty decent over the digital out to my Yamaha RXV750 receiver, haven't had a chance to try the analog outs....

What are the audio settings in the Oppo. I use "96kHz" (the highest my Denon AVR-5800 will accept) and "Raw" to my DTS Denon receiver...I have never had any delay on any disc.

I believe its 48, 96 and 192kHz.

Dennis

Maybe it could be the 4805, but I do find it odd that DVI over my HD box has no borders along with other people saying their projectors have borders with the Oppo, including a few with 720p DLP displays.

Maybe it could be the 4805, but I do find it odd that DVI over my HD box has no borders along with other people saying their projectors have borders with the Oppo, including a few with 720p DLP displays.

Yeah it could be incompatibility issue.

What audio DAC is used in the Oppo?

any audio people have an opinion on the CD playback quality over regular audio RCA outs?
Its a Crystal CS4360 6-channel 192kHz DAC that is well implemented and sounds superb. By far the greatest limitation on the sound quality from your system would be the speakers and the listening environment.

Gary

I checked the THX Optimizer via the Incredibles last night with the new firmware. I still get the off-set display with the sound by one speaker [ie, sound=right front speaker; display=center speaker]. It works perfectly when using the Pani XP-30 or the Esoteric DV-50s.
Javry

This is a known problem with the unit. The caching of the video is not fast enough for the THX Optimization. They are looking into a fix in a future firmware.

The "Avia" and "Discwasher" speaker test sequences work fine, with the sound from each speaker matching the display as it should.

I was surprised by the THX Optimizer "offset", until I noticed that the video does indeed match the sound initially (for a fraction of a second). However, the video sequence highlights the next speaker a couple of seconds before the sound switches to that speaker. You can verify that by watching the phase test sequence, which has slower switching times.

Gary

http://www.projectorcentral.com/oppo_opdv971h_dvd_player.htm

Did y'all see the Projector Central review (http://www.projectorcentral.com/oppo_opdv971h_dvd_player.htm) ? This player seems to have garnered pretty much unanimous raves.
Gordon

Edit: Yikes! I was slow on the trigger. You beat me, Jack! :)

A very good review and sure to get a few sales for Oppo. Regarding the component output, did anybody else get a chance to take a look at this after the firmware update. I don't have any reason to use it, but I'm curious to know if the color levels were worked on, or if cropping and BTB were addressed. If those items get a good tweaking, this player will be a great choice for any TV.

It's fun to see a positive review of the OPPO, but it reads like the reviewer was explaining the general characteristics of the player to the general public but didn't actually have one to test for himself. Although it was well done, I would have enjoyed more of a hands on review with calibration comments, audio opinion, what type of display, y'now?

Can't seem to find the subwoofer out on DVD-A's. I'll try again soon, but everything seems to be in order since the sub works fine on DVD 5.1 sources...

Forgot to mention that I tried DVE calibration last night and with the contrast much lower than my previous players (Marantz DV9500, Denon 3910) the OPPO started to join the pack as a top of the line player as far as picture quality is concerned. Also, I was rushing and couldn't see the BTB bars, the OPPO DOES pass BTB, correct?

It's fun to see a positive review of the OPPO, but it reads like the reviewer was explaining the general characteristics of the player to the general public but didn't actually have one to test for himself. Although it was well done, I would have enjoyed more of a hands on review with calibration comments, audio opinion, what type of display, y'now?

LOL, kind of like every other PJC review? :)

Are any of you guys having problems getting to the PJC home page? I tried both Gordon's and Jacks links above but I get no bananas.
Javry

Just cliked on link in my post above. Yes, we have Bannanas! Link works from my end. :)
Gordon

Has anyone heard when the next Oppo DVD player (with HDMI output) is expected to be released?

This is a known problem with the unit. The caching of the video is not fast enough for the THX Optimization. They are looking into a fix in a future firmware.

That's great news. Actually, I had the unit parked to the side....not because of the optimizer........I just wanted to play around with some other toys. I think I'll put it back into the system tonight and plug the 480i into a Mosquito.....just FTHOI. In my view, what keeps me going with this player...above and beyond everything else.....is their customer service and their obvious desire to do better. Without that, I would've sold this unit long ago.
Javry

That's great news. Actually, I had the unit parked to the side....not because of the optimizer........I just wanted to play around with some other toys. I think I'll put it back into the system tonight and plug the 480i into a Mosquito.....just FTHOI. In my view, what keeps me going with this player...above and beyond everything else.....is their customer service and their obvious desire to do better. Without that, I would've sold this unit long ago.
Javry


I'm with you on that. If I knew I was going to be stuck with what I saw the first time I hit play, I'd have bailed.

think I'll put it back into the system tonight and plug the 480i into a Mosquito.....just FTHOI.
Javry

Javry, what is your opinion 480i>Mosquito? I'm curious if your opinion is the same as mine; I preferred the XP-30 through the Mosquito over the Oppo. I'm counting the days until the HDMI Mosquito comes out. I should have an SDI equipped XP-30 for sale and go full time with the Oppo when it does.

Also, I was rushing and couldn't see the BTB bars, the OPPO DOES pass BTB, correct?

Hello Martin,

Yes. Documented in the summary section in the first post of this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4924650&&#post4924650

Paul

Thanks Paul. I didn't notice anything regarding DVI @ 480p though. I have the InFocus 4805 and 480p via DVI is usually the best feed. I'll give it another try after the weekend, but I didn't see any of the gray/black bars when calibrating for BTB with DVE.

Thanks Paul. I didn't notice anything regarding DVI @ 480p though. I have the InFocus 4805 and 480p via DVI is usually the best feed. I'll give it another try after the weekend, but I didn't see any of the gray/black bars when calibrating for BTB with DVE.

Martin, you won't have any problem starting with Contrast & Brightness at 50, Gain at 58, Offset at 46. It does pass BTB without any tweaking in the Oppo. 480p is indeed the best feed. Everything was done with DVE. Just grab a java and take it easy...but don't forget to zoom in a little.......

May need to give the Oppo brightness control a slight boost. Some users report needing to turn up the Oppo brighness to get BTB to pass.

Paul

May need to give the Oppo brightness control a slight boost. Some users report needing to turn up the Oppo brighness to get BTB to pass.

Paul

Not required with the 4805...but you DO have to zoom in :(

I'm a newbie to this forum and with "newbie-ness" comes questions. I want to buy a DVI DVD player and just read the review and most of the pages on this thread. Do most of you recommend it? I will be using it with a panny 700u pj to start. Then probably change to a Optoma H78/ H79.
Is this the DVD player to buy?
Thanks!

Do most of you recommend it? I will be using it with a panny 700u pj to start. Then probably change to a Optoma H78/ H79.
Is this the DVD player to buy? Yes, most recommend it VERY highly. Of course it does come with a few minor quirks, but they are being fixed at a rapid rate through firmware upgrades.

Gary

Has anyone heard when the next Oppo DVD player (with HDMI output) is expected to be released? What new player? It's still only speculation, nothing official has been announced.

Okay - I'm a sucker. Do you think OPPO will sell me a new black remote?

I don't see why not. Ask them.

Thanks GSB! Now, should I wait until the new "batch" comes with all the latest firmware? Or just get it now? Will waiting until August make a difference?
I think that you can update the software with a CD?
Thanks again!

It's fun to see a positive review of the OPPO, but it reads like the reviewer was explaining the general characteristics of the player to the general public but didn't actually have one to test for himself. Although it was well done, I would have enjoyed more of a hands on review with calibration comments, audio opinion, what type of display, y'now?

Can't seem to find the subwoofer out on DVD-A's. I'll try again soon, but everything seems to be in order since the sub works fine on DVD 5.1 sources...

Forgot to mention that I tried DVE calibration last night and with the contrast much lower than my previous players (Marantz DV9500, Denon 3910) the OPPO started to join the pack as a top of the line player as far as picture quality is concerned. Also, I was rushing and couldn't see the BTB bars, the OPPO DOES pass BTB, correct?

When I first viewed Avia' patterns I had no moving black bars with the brightness pattern no matter how far I moved my projectors brightness level (black crush), color decoder check showed color needed to be increased. Anyway using the Avia patterns and the Oppo's contrast/brightness/saturation control. I was able to bring the moving blacks bars back, zero out the color decoder and get perfect balance with Avia blue bars pattern. Here's the number changes it took for my setup.

+ 5 brightness
+ 1 contrast
+ 2 saturation

Oh, brightness got the black bars back, have the Avia pattern going raise the oppo's brightness then check with your displays brightness till they appear again.

Martin,
Using DVE, I was able to see the BTB bars with Oppo defaults all at 0 with the 4805. How far were you seating when doing the setup? I walk up in front of the screen so I can get a better look at the patterns up close.

Keep in mind that variations exist between displays, even from sample to sample with the same model. Assuming all else is equal, one's settings for one display may not match those of another display. That's part of what calibration is all about.

Paul

For those still experiencing audio delay, is it hit or miss thing during a movie (random) or is it a case of just "not enough"? That is, if the number of delay choices were increased to 100ms, would that change solve more/most of the problem?

Paul

I had complained about the Oppo not fully filling the screen with my InFocus 7210. I withdraw that complaint as the Pan S97 has the exact same picture shrinkage of the Oppo. Using the IF Underscan Zoom control on both eliminates the problem, but loses 1:1 pixel mapping.

Oddly, in HDTV, my Zenith Sat-HD520 and HDR230 fill the screen perfectly with 1:1 mapping, so it's set perfectly for them.

Any ideas about what's happening?

For those still experiencing audio delay, is it hit or miss thing during a movie (random) or is it a case of just "not enough"? That is, if the number of delay choices were increased to 100ms, would that change solve more/most of the problem?

Paul

Paul,

In my situation it seems to be random. Configuration: DVI input Tosh 65HX93 RP-CRT (set to 1080i), with Sony Reciever using coax digital audio. Audio sync problems appear randomly and significantly, dissappear when I stop, reverse, then play. They only seem to happen 1-3 time in 2 hr. session so far.

I watched 2 videos last nite and it did not happen. One was LOTR - 1st half of volume 1. and The Pacifier. The audio sysn problem didn't show up. (although there was a very slight uniform sync problem, not enough for the 10ms setting. though).

By the way, the picture quality on this is just great. I had to tweak the brightness and contrast on the OPPO to but it looks just great now.

Rick

For those still experiencing audio delay, is it hit or miss thing during a movie (random) or is it a case of just "not enough"? That is, if the number of delay choices were increased to 100ms, would that change solve more/most of the problem?

Paul


For me it's random. Four out of five movies that I have watched have started out fine then, after varying amounts of time, have gone out of sync. In two cases it has been far enough off that I don't think 200 or 300ms would even be enough. I just finished watching the Superbit edition of The Fifth Element and while the picture quality may have been the best I have ever seen, it looked like a badly dubbed Hong Kong Kung Fu flick by the end.

It's going to pain me to do so, but it looks like I will have to return it and try to find something else.

I just watched I Robot on the Oppo. Picture quality was awesome, but about 2/3 of the way through, I had the lip-sync problem. It was very bad, but a pause/play fixed it for the rest of the movie.

Annoying, but easy to fix with the movie stoppage.

It would make this player nearly perfect if they could fix this problem.

I had complained about the Oppo not fully filling the screen with my InFocus 7210. I withdraw that complaint as the Pan S97 has the exact same picture shrinkage of the Oppo. Using the IF Underscan Zoom control on both eliminates the problem, but loses 1:1 pixel mapping.

Oddly, in HDTV, my Zenith Sat-HD520 and HDR230 fill the screen perfectly with 1:1 mapping, so it's set perfectly for them.

Any ideas about what's happening?

I looked more carefully at the OPPO output. It doesn't quite fill the entire 1280 width when set for 720P. It's a few pixels too narrow. I'd estimate it maps the DVD frame width to about 3 to 4 pixels short of full width on each side. It is 6 to 8 pixels too narrow to completely fill the 1280 width. It is also a few pixel too short of filling the entire 720 pixel frame height. So, the OPPO player definitively maps the DVD 720 x 480 pixmap to an inset rectangle which is smaller than 1280 x 720. Hence, its output will look underscanned when mapped 1:1 by a 720P projector such as the Optoma H79 in "native" aspect ratio. Switch the H79 to "16:9" AR and you'll see the image enlarge and use the entire extent of the DMD. Unfortunatley this means you're double scaling and overscanning the DVD image.

Bottom line - the OPPO doesn't quite perfectly map the DVD pixmap the 1280 x 720. It's something a bit smaller within that. They probably have a hard time picking an exact output size because different displays are set up with varying overscans by people. It's hard to pick out who to listen to when all your customers give you conflicting reports. You're not crazy. There is a scaling issue in the player, but it isn't a deal breaker. Going from 720 x 480 to 1280 x 720 isn't a 1:1 pixel mapping anyway. This primarily means that the image from DVD will be a tad smaller than from sources that don't inset the video image.

Guy, thanks very much for clearing this up... At least its not a defect! And the Panasonic seems to do the same thing. Even though I don't have a projector, I would still be inclined to make this a wishlist item to fill the 1280x720 frame. What do you think?

Gary

Thanks GSB! Now, should I wait until the new "batch" comes with all the latest firmware? Or just get it now? Will waiting until August make a difference?
I think that you can update the software with a CD?
Thanks again!They are all shipping with the latest firmware update already. The updates can be done with a writable CD. Just be careful to follow Oppo's instructions, and see this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5851647#post5851647) additional info on burning the CD.

Gary

So now we can finally add the "fill the frame" option to the to be fixed list. :)

Added 1280x720 pixels to the fix list in the FAQ thread.

Paul

originally posted by Ja Phule " So now we can finally add the "fill the frame" option to the to be fixed list".

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I "third" that motion!

I "forth" it ! Thanks Guy, you could move mountains !

But don't restrict the wishlist on 1280x720, PLEASE don't forget 16:9 480p (800 x 480 ??). A lot of people use 480p (or even 854x480 but that's another thing I think...)

I looked more carefully at the OPPO output. It doesn't quite fill the entire 1280 width when set for 720P. It's a few pixels too narrow. I'd estimate it maps the DVD frame width to about 3 to 4 pixels short of full width on each side. It is 6 to 8 pixels too narrow to completely fill the 1280 width. It is also a few pixel too short of filling the entire 720 pixel frame height. So, the OPPO player definitively maps the DVD 720 x 480 pixmap to an inset rectangle which is smaller than 1280 x 720. Hence, its output will look underscanned when mapped 1:1 by a 720P projector such as the Optoma H79 in "native" aspect ratio. Switch the H79 to "16:9" AR and you'll see the image enlarge and use the entire extent of the DMD. Unfortunatley this means you're double scaling and overscanning the DVD image.

Bottom line - the OPPO doesn't quite perfectly map the DVD pixmap the 1280 x 720. It's something a bit smaller within that. They probably have a hard time picking an exact output size because different displays are set up with varying overscans by people. It's hard to pick out who to listen to when all your customers give you conflicting reports. You're not crazy. There is a scaling issue in the player, but it isn't a deal breaker. Going from 720 x 480 to 1280 x 720 isn't a 1:1 pixel mapping anyway. This primarily means that the image from DVD will be a tad smaller than from sources that don't inset the video image.


That's the exact experience I and others have seen with the Benq 8700+. So, at least it seems the Oppo, rather than the display. I've not had this happen with my other player, the Momitsu 880DX.

Javry, what is your opinion 480i>Mosquito? I'm curious if your opinion is the same as mine; I preferred the XP-30 through the Mosquito over the Oppo. I'm counting the days until the HDMI Mosquito comes out. I should have an SDI equipped XP-30 for sale and go full time with the Oppo when it does.

Okay, I tried it....and, I think it's safe to say that the Mosquito did it's job well with 480i coming out of the Oppo. The picture quality wasn't that bad....but no match for 720p. It kind've looked like a roughed up version of 480p or the PQ similar to that of VHS. Even through the Mosquito, there was still some grain and smoothness in the picture. I left 2D and 3D at 7 and 2, respectively. Cranking up the MNR took some of the grain away but overted the smoothness. So I turned the Detail Enhancement up to around 9 or 10 but it just made the images look edgy. Imagin a softy looking picture with the sharpness turned way up only on the image edges.

Also, it was hard to get good calibration with the 300e. I kept getting screen flickers and blank outs. The PJ seemed to be looking for a 15 Khz signal. That's a little strange because when I try this with the XP-30 or the DV-50s, the PJ grabs the 32Khz signal, upconverts to progressive...and away we go. The calibration settings are always different with an incoming interlaced signal [32 Khz] versus a progressive one [15 Khz] but I'm usually able to manage it and make the picture look good.

I had the DVI/HDMI 720p signal from the Oppo hooked up simultaneously and switched back and forth between it and the 480i signal. There was clearly no comparison between the two. The 720p won hands down.....even without the Mosquito in the loop.

For grins I hooked up 480 i and p from the DV-50s to the Mosquito a couple of nights ago and compared it to DVI/HDMI direct from the same player. There was virtually no difference in PQ. But, I had just gotten the Mosquito in...... and left the factory settings in default. Now that I'm a couple of days farther down the road with it, I'm sure I can make it talk.

Bottom line:

1. For serious viewers, the Oppo is clearly a DVI/HDMI only player.

2. If you''re stuck with 480i, a Mosquito won't help.

3. All 480i's are not equal

4. The 480i option in the Oppo is much worse than in other players.

5. The 480i option would be okay for bedrooms and kitchens...but not for serious viewing.

6. I can't wait for the digital Mosquito [HDMI]. Hooking it up to the Oppo is really going to be a treat.

I'll try to hook up the XP-30 to the Mosquito tonight and compare it to DVI direct from the Oppo.

Javry

Er i thought we all know all that stuff already?? I mean that oppo 480i from component is not good.

don't forget us panasonic plasma owners at 1366 x 768

sjschaff, have you seen the macroblock issue on your Benq 8700+? Also, any lipsync issues encountered? I have the same projector. I'm spoiled a little bit by the film-like quality of my HTPC, but am annoyed with the microstutter that hits sometimes.

I thought DVI passed 8-bit/color video. Why didn't the Oppo go with HDMI which passes 12-bit to match its 12-bit video processor? Has anyone noticed color issues over DVI based on the 8-bitness? I know stepping up from an 8-bit/color system to 10-bit/color is pretty noticable, haven't had an A-B comparision from 10 to 12. I would just think the 8-bit video would be a killer.

WHY DVI. Because take look at fli specs. No color issues with 24-bit rgb from oppo. it internal upconverts colorspace from 4:2:2 to 4:4:4 or rgb.

I haven't scrutinized DVE as well as I should. Is there a relatively easy way to check and adjust for lip sync issues using DVE or any other test available? I was watching a music DVD last night and the sound wasn't exactly in line with the image. It wasn't far off, but enough to really get under my skin.

I have two questions for the people at OPPO, first, why not look at the pixel relationship of other top of the line players like Sony, Denon and copy their choices? Why on earth almost any DVD player fills up my screen perfectly and the OPPO doesn't is beyond me. I've had seven different DVD players run to my InFocus 4805 without sizing/pixel cropping issues.

Second, the lip sync issue should be paramount on the list of things to fix. We are all functioning something like beta testers here, which is fine by me, but if a consumer who is unaware of "ffirmware fixes, burning updates to disc, advanced terminology, etc. bought the OPPO and had lip sync issues, that DVD player would be returned immediately. :(

I thought DVI passed 8-bit/color video. Why didn't the Oppo go with HDMI which passes 12-bit to match its 12-bit video processor? Has anyone noticed color issues over DVI based on the 8-bitness? I know stepping up from an 8-bit/color system to 10-bit/color is pretty noticable, haven't had an A-B comparision from 10 to 12. I would just think the 8-bit video would be a killer. Not many displays can seriously take advantage of 12 bits. Even if they do, most still use an 8-bit micro-display element, like LCD, DLP, LCOS or whatever. DVD's are recorded with 8-bit information too.

It is true though, that full 12-bit processing throughout the player AND the display does have some advantages (even with an 8-bit micro-display element), particularly in the non-linear gamma-correction stage.

I have not noticed any color issues from the player over DVI.

Gary

Second, the lip sync issue should be paramount on the list of things to fix.

You have ofcourse remember that some of have no such issues with this player.

I have two questions for the people at OPPO, first, why not look at the pixel relationship of other top of the line players like Sony, Denon and copy their choices? Why on earth almost any DVD player fills up my screen perfectly and the OPPO doesn't is beyond me. I've had seven different DVD players run to my InFocus 4805 without sizing/pixel cropping issues. As Guy Kuo stated, "They probably have a hard time picking an exact output size because different displays are set up with varying overscans by people. It's hard to pick out who to listen to when all your customers give you conflicting reports."

HD projectors are not in the majority. HD TV's all have overscan - some of the image hidden behind the bezel. Perhaps Oppo took the middle line to cater for both.

Second, the lip sync issue should be paramount on the list of things to fix.Aside from macroblocking, the lip-sync issue is at the top of the list now.

Gary

Er i thought we all know all that stuff already?? I mean that oppo 480i from component is not good.


True, but it all depends on the order of your purchases. I was a very early adopter of the Oppo and subsequently picked up a Mosquito and SDI equipped iScan HD+ and then an XP-30 that I modded with SDI. Javry has similar equipment and since he was going to try the Oppo with the Mosquito I wanted to know if his results were the same as mine.

Thanks Gary, I can appreciate what you're saying, but since I had no trouble with a half dozen or more DVD players properly filling the screen, I could only assume that OPPO made a less compatible choice than say.. Sony or Denon.

jriihi , those of you with no lip sync issues are lucky. But remember it might affect you if you change your display, and no one wants a problem with their DVD player, even if it doesn't show up right now. Also I've NEVER had a lip sync issue with ANY DVD player on all sorts of displays and I've owned or used about 20 different models.

sjschaff, have you seen the macroblock issue on your Benq 8700+? Also, any lipsync issues encountered? I have the same projector. I'm spoiled a little bit by the film-like quality of my HTPC, but am annoyed with the microstutter that hits sometimes.

I've had very few lip sync issues. I'm not sure why it's been so few. I'm using the TOS output into a Theta Casanova decoder. Maybe if you and others list the types of decoding devices that are being used, that might help us narrow down the problem a bit.

As for macroblock, again it's been something I've not noticed. Let me know what specific DVD's I should check and where on the film it happens and I'll test this out.

Am I the only one having the flickering/shimmering/screen rolling issue even with the most recent firmware? I've experienced it on 720p mode and also today experienced it on 1080i mode. I already emailed and called OPPO. Was supposed to get the RMA by this afternoon but nothing came. Will wait again tomorrow. I think I'm giving up on the OPPO and buying a Panny S77 instead. I've never had this much disturbance in DVD play back before. I once even had an APEX and it never gave me any issues. Was actually able to sell it to someone else after 3 years of use. The first 4 DVDs I watched were OK (Incredibles, Nemo, Episode II, Episode V). The next ones after that (Episode VI, Eagles Farewell Tour I, Robin Hood - Extended Edition) all demonstrated the flicker/shimmer/screen roll problem. The problem would start showing up after about an hour of watching. I think this player has some serious overheating issues affecting its playback capability.

Am I the only one having the flickering/shimmering/screen rolling issue even with the most recent firmware? I have not heard anyone else complain of this problem.

If you're using a longer DVI cable, have you positively eliminated that cable as being the source of the problem? Is your player in a hot environment... on top of a receiver, for example, or in the same cabinet - without adequate venting? Have you considered that your display might have developed a problem? Have you recently used another 720p/1080i source for a couple of hours to test it?

If it's none of the above, your player might have a hardware defect. If that is true, Oppo will be more than happy to replace it for you.

Gary

As proposed earlier in this thread, Paul Bigelow has now included the Oppo Defect List in the first post of his Oppo DV971H FAQ / Brain Dump (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491306) thread. Thus Paul will be maintaining it from now on. We'd like to encourage everyone to migrate to the FAQ thread to keep everything in one place. I will begin posting in that thread now.

Here is a link to the last revision of my defect list, continuously updated until today: UPDATED List of Oppo Firmware Defects (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5825462#post5825462).

Thanks to all of you for your valuable observations and suggestions. OPPO Digital ought to receive special thanks for being so accommodating... and so exemplary in their customer service and firmware departments! They have done amazing things with this player and they deserve to do exceptionally well as a result. I will continue to support them and represent us where possible.

Gary

With the latest Oppo firmware (6/29/05) installed, has anyone compared the 971's upconverted picture quality to that of the Pioneer Elite 59AVi on HDMI inputs?

The ideal A/B test would be to use both players with the same DVD playing on a dual HDMI capable RPTV such as the Sony 60XS955, with the Oppo using a DVI to HDMI conversion cable. This might not be a fair comparison ($200 MSRP vs $1600 MSRP), but is the Oppo at least in the performance ballpark?

I should be receiving my OPPO 971H today. I will be pairing it with a RP-CRT: Tosh 65HX93. It will replace (or supplement) and Onkyo DV-CP500.

From everything I've read in the two main threads, the OPPO should be a good player. One issue that concerns me is macro blocking enhancement.

Can some folks post what DVDs I should check (and maybe where in DVD) to see if this will be a problem with this player paired with this display?

I have AVIA, plus LOTR - FOTR EE and TT EE, Harry Potter, Windtalkers, Harry Potter (all). as well as others.

The Tosh 65HX93 can do both 1080i and 540P.

Thanks,
Rick

I believe that Kris Deering uses chapter 22 of "A Bug's Life" as a key test. I've not seen this crop up on my setup (Benq 8700+) with either this or any other DVD in my collection.

Ah, thanks sjschaff...I had forgotten which DVDs can be used, since I don't have any player with the FLI23xx chip. It's good to hear you don't have the issue with the 8700. I'm assuming you are using DVI and outputting 1280x720.

I wonder how well the Oppo does in the HQV Benchmark? I'm pretty sure it would fail the more obscure cadence tests though (like 2:2:4 and other oddball ones that 99% of people won't see).

Ah, thanks sjschaff...I had forgotten which DVDs can be used, since I don't have any player with the FLI23xx chip. It's good to hear you don't have the issue with the 8700. I'm assuming you are using DVI and outputting 1280x720.

I wonder how well the Oppo does in the HQV Benchmark? I'm pretty sure it would fail the more obscure cadence tests though (like 2:2:4 and other oddball ones that 99% of people won't see).

No need to wonder.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=550103&highlight=

Be sure to read the whole thread.

Ah, thanks sjschaff...I had forgotten which DVDs can be used, since I don't have any player with the FLI23xx chip. It's good to hear you don't have the issue with the 8700. I'm assuming you are using DVI and outputting 1280x720.

I wonder how well the Oppo does in the HQV Benchmark? I'm pretty sure it would fail the more obscure cadence tests though (like 2:2:4 and other oddball ones that 99% of people won't see).

Tested CH 22 of "A Bug's Life" and did not see any macro blocking. Awesome picture. I am using 720p into the Benq 8700+ despite the slight picture "shrinkage" versus 1080i. With about 1000 hours on the display, all is well.

I believe that Kris Deering uses chapter 22 of "A Bug's Life" as a key test. I've not seen this crop up on my setup (Benq 8700+) with either this or any other DVD in my collection.


THanks, sj,

I'll see if I have that. I've checked out a number of DVDs now, it it appears that macroblocking enhancment isnt going to be a problem with the oppo and the tosh 65hx93, RP-CRT.

Thanks
Rick

great dvd player

Here's some pictures using the Oppo with an Optoma H79. Also for projector users, these are on the new Optoma Graywolf 1.8gain screen. Blacks look good don't you think?

Murky blacks scene, sharpnesses on.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf7.jpg

Lady with projectros sharpness at middle
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf8.jpg

Lady w/pj's sharpness and the Oppos sharpness in default which they call low
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf9.jpg

Excellent deinterlacing scene, end of Greatness of Rome. nice 3D also, both sharpness adds
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf10.jpg

More of the Oppos sharpness feature, notice the ringing left side of face.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf11.jpg

The last picture, I'm not saying the sharpness isn't for everybody. Low is subtile, members were complaining to me my zero sharp pictures were looking too soft.

Here's some pictures using the Oppo with an Optoma H79. Also for projector users, these are on the new Optoma Graywolf 1.8gain screen. Blacks look good don't you think?

Murky blacks scene, sharpnesses on.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf7.jpg

Lady with projectros sharpness at middle
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf8.jpg

Lady w/pj's sharpness and the Oppos sharpness in default which they call low
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf9.jpg

Excellent deinterlacing scene, end of Greatness of Rome. nice 3D also, both sharpness adds
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf10.jpg

More of the Oppos sharpness feature, notice the ringing left side of face.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/h79graywolf11.jpg

The last picture, I'm not saying the sharpness isn't for everybody. Low is subtile, members were complaining to me my zero sharp pictures were looking too soft.

thanks for the pics! i always enjoy seeing post with pics related to our discussion. how big do you have the Optoma setup to?

That's a 106" diagonal screen.

I guess you guys noticed the Oppo pause Icon signature. Anyway to get that to disappear?

That's kind've strange. I don't get that with my unit.
Javry

The last picture, I'm not saying the sharpness isn't for everybody. Low is subtile, members were complaining to me my zero sharp pictures were looking too soft.

Just made it difficult to do comparisons between the various screen shots you posted. :) Thanks again for posting them; it was very helpful.

I have the oppo player and a Sanyo HT3244 32-inch HDTV. The player works fine in all modes except 1080i. In 1080i, all I get is a flickering/garbled screen. I applied the latest firmware to no avail. I then sent the player back to oppo because they said it was defective. When they received the player, they said they could not duplicate the problem. They offered to send a replacement player and said that I could use the 540p mode, which would send the exact same data to the display, but the display would need to upconvert.

I'm not too impressed with the service I received from oppo. They've had my player for almost two weeks before they sent a replacment. And they tell me that I may still have a problem with 1080i mode.

Any suggestions? Maybe I should just get a cheaper dvd player. I did try several other upconverting players with my set and did not have any problems with 1080i mode.

Thanks for any help!!!

The last picture, I'm not saying the sharpness isn't for everybody. Low is subtile, members were complaining to me my zero sharp pictures were looking too soft.

Which sharpness setting do YOU leave the Oppo on?

HH

I prefer having the sharpness in the off position with my setup. It may be different for others with different displays. Like tube tv's RPTV's. Just matter of taste and comparisons.

I'm not too impressed with the service I received from oppo. They've had my player for almost two weeks before they sent a replacment.

You don't say if the second player does the same thing. Have you recieved it yet?

Let me make sure I understand. Oppo has your old player for something less than 10 working days, has actually hooked yours up to try to duplicate the problem so they can resolve it, can't find anything wrong yet sends you a new player based solely on your word that something is wrong and you're not impressed with the service you received?

You don't say if the second player does the same thing. Have you recieved it yet?

Let me make sure I understand. Oppo has your old player for something less than 10 working days, has actually hooked yours up to try to duplicate the problem so they can resolve it, can't find anything wrong yet sends you a new player based solely on your word that something is wrong and you're not impressed with the service you received?

This is along with the fact that nearly two weeks means that the player was sent during July 4th; The Oppo staff are expected to take breaks from time to time.

I had one of the first Oppo's, I had it sent it for capacitator removal and the service was quite prompt. It was shipped back to me two days after they recieved it.

I prefer having the sharpness in the off position with my setup. It may be different for others with different displays. Like tube tv's RPTV's. Just matter of taste and comparisons.

Nice screen shots Tom. I prefer it at Off as well. Low is fine as well now that the shimmering's gone. If you have a DVD with excessive edge enhancement, it's best to switch back to off though.

After cruising this forum for the past 3 wks reading about this player, I finally could not resist this and had just pulled the trigger... God damned tax and shipping and the 4 meter dvi extra cable ($9.90) add another 20% to the total.

I hope I won't be disappointed hooking this up with the sp4805 pj, like I was with the Samsung 841 through dvi... But maybe it's even better pairing with the new Optoma H78DC3? Or, hold it for the new Vizio 50 incher plasma coming to a Costco near us, soon?

Any comforting thought from you pro's on the forum? ;-)

I'm not too impressed with the service I received from oppo. They've had my player for almost two weeks before they sent a replacment. And they tell me that I may still have a problem with 1080i mode.



Thanks for any help!!!

If I were you I felt I have been provided great service. They sent you a new replacement based on your words. It was rare to find this class of service in consumer electronics.

Just in case someone else is also using the OPPO and the Comcast HD PVR via DVI. Here are the OPPO video settings I use to get the OPPO and the PVR to better match each other. This let's me use the same settings on my display for both sources. The sources are hooked in via a Gefen HDMI/Audio switch.

Sharpness Low
Brightness 6
Contrast 0
Saturation 1
CCS Off
TrueLife On

This is with OPPO firmware OP971-8-0628 and the Comcast PVR is a Motorola with Guide 1.7.6400 DCT-FE-1.7 platform 613 GiOS 09.17

Note: these settings are merely to get the OPPO player and Comcast HD PVR DVI outputs to better match. Absolutely do NOT assume these settings are of any use in gettin the OPPO component or s-video closer to NTSC standard.

How can I see what CSS is doing ?
I have Avia if that can help ...

It would have been interesting to have a gamma setting.

It is strange that you have to raise you brightness to +6, black won't be black any more ... I will test that tonight, but .. I doubt it.

My Oppo is hooked on a Sony 1292 via a transcoder (20cm of analog wire)

Raising brightness was needed to make the OPPO output match the Comcast HD PVR which also appears to be elevated. It's not intended to make the output standard - only to make the two source devices match for convenience.

CSS I believe is Cross Color Suppression System. If that is so, it can be tested with a pattern with incorrectly present cross color as from a bad color separator. CSS is a Faroudja process that detects the presence of cross color (rainbows) and suppresses color in those image areas. This is of use only if the signal has passed through a color separator in the processing chain. There is a specific test in the Avia Pro set for this, but nothing in Avia. The test is basically luma material at near the color carrier frequency with color super imposed on the same area to simulate the output of a bad color separator. On normal DVD material this should not happen unless someone dropped the signal down to composite and ran it through a bad color separator. Basically, for most DVD material that wasn't sourced originally as composite NTSC this artifact should not be present. Hence, very little need to turn on CSS.

I have mixed opinion on this player. When I play newly released DVDs like Collateral, I-Robot, The Hulk, Star Wars, and many many Star Trek movies, I'm usually in awe. The pictures are quite clear, very detailed, and it's almost like I'm watching it in a theatre.

On the other hand, when I play older titles on this player, it made movies unwatchable. 2 movies in particular, Alien and Interview with the Vampire are both made unwatchable. During any dark scenes in the movie Alien, the black is filled with blocks of mixed colors, pixelated, and it flashes. I think that's referred to macroblocking here? It's almost like I'm watching a bootleg VCD copy. Although some scenes inside the ship were quite clear. On Interview with the Vampire, Tom Cruises's face were full of pink colored macroblocking every time.

I have this player hooked up to a DLP through DVI. The player's sharpness and CSS are off, truelife is on, upgraded to the latest firmware and using 720p. It's also been properly calibrated by S&S tuneup.

In conclusion, newer movies present little problem but older titles will. I think there's no way around this until HDDVD/Blueray becomes available. I have no regrets buying this player. I've seen plenty of Star Trek movies with it and the picture is just amazing. You just can't have it all.

Would anyone kindly save me the trouble of reading through this 50+ page thread and tell me if:

a) the subtitle issue has been fixed?

b) when turning the player off while playing a DVD, does it save your spot?

I'm thinking of buying this player, but these are two issues I am very concerned about. I've read the firmware updates on the Oppo website, but as far as I can tell these two issues have not been mentioned. I would very much appreciate it if anyone can answer my questions.

Thanks.

Would anyone kindly save me the trouble of reading through this 50+ page thread and tell me if:

a) the subtitle issue has been fixed?

b) when turning the player off while playing a DVD, does it save your spot?

I'm thinking of buying this player, but these are two issues I am very concerned about. I've read the firmware updates on the Oppo website, but as far as I can tell these two issues have not been mentioned. I would very much appreciate it if anyone can answer my questions.

Thanks.

Mr. kite,

a) there is a subtitle issue still on list. (around 13 or 14). However, I have my sub-titles set to off, and when I have some short foreign language, sub-titles show up in English, just as i wuold expect. I verified this with Patton, and again tonight, I watched a DVD I recorded, of Into the west, and saw sub titles. But again, it shows up on list, so I beleive there is still some problem associated with sub-titles.

b) as far as I know, it does not remember location, but I dont use this feature, so cant say for sure.

Rick

Sorry if I ask a question that has been covered...
If I buy the OPPO to take advantage of the DCDi capability and DVI into my new Samsung xx68 (or for that matter other HD tv's) is the Sammy going to reprocess and effectively eliminate the DCDi delinterlacing

Sorry if I ask a question that has been covered...
If I buy the OPPO to take advantage of the DCDi capability and DVI into my new Samsung xx68 (or for that matter other HD tv's) is the Sammy going to reprocess and effectively eliminate the DCDi delinterlacing


That will depend on the display (I don't know about the Sammy) and which res you feed it. If it's a fixed-pixel device (LCD, DLP, Plasma) then you should feed it either it's native resolution or as close to it as you can. That will reduce the amount of processing or perhaps eliminate it.

The only way to really find out the results is to watch.. try your display with the player doing the de-interlacing and try it outputting 480i and letting the display device do the processing. My guess will be that the player will do a better job (jack of all trades TV vs master of one DVD player) but until you watch it's hard to guess.

Not like this player needs it, but here are 2 more online reviews on this player.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/features/004343.html

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=7102&n=1&burl=

Sorry if I ask a question that has been covered...
If I buy the OPPO to take advantage of the DCDi capability and DVI into my new Samsung xx68 (or for that matter other HD tv's) is the Sammy going to reprocess and effectively eliminate the DCDi delinterlacing

Deinterlacing and scaling are two separate processes. Deinterlacing is only performed once. If the DVD player is set to 480p or 720p, the Faroudja chip does all the deinterlacing. If the player is set to 480i (by component on the Oppo), the TV deinterlaces.

The TV may have to rescale the image to its own native resolution if the 480p or 720p outputs are not an exact match, but the deinterlacing is already done.

Not like this player needs it, but here are 2 more online reviews on this player.

http://www.dvdtalk.com/features/004343.html

http://www.dvdanswers.com/index.php?r=0&s=1&c=7102&n=1&burl=

Nice, did you happen to notice who wrote the first review? :) ^^(pointing up)^^

Sorry if this has been asked before but does anyone know if this will play dual-layer blanks?

Is there a way to have the Oppo always default to DTS if it is available on the disc? No biggie, but it would be nice not to have to go in and select it each time I pop in a dvd that has a DTS soundtrack.

The Oppo has played all my dual layer discs without any problems. I have tried about 15 of them that I burned as backups.

bakpakva, I've never seen a DVD player capable of this, and I've owned around 20. Of course I may have missed the one exception. Dolby was introduced first and some older processors don't have DTS capability, hence the default to Dolby. Politics was most likely involved as well. It would be nice to assign a default to DTS if there is indeed a DTS track available.

I think its the function of the dvd that defaults to DD, not the player. I think most DVDs default to DD b/c not every player can output DTS over analog 2 channel.

Can't say that I have ever had a dvd player that would default to DTS either, but it sure would be a great feature. I mean, who wouldn't want to use DTS if it were available and they had the decoder that could handle it? An even nicer feature would be the ability to select the order of preference between DTS, Dolby 5.1, etc etc assuming you had the decoder to handle the various soundtrack options. I will stop being lazy and use the dvd menus. ;-)

Nice screen shots Tom. I prefer it at Off as well. Low is fine as well now that the shimmering's gone. If you have a DVD with excessive edge enhancement, it's best to switch back to off though.

Thx Mike, I know the DVD forum has all types of display users, mainly RPTV/digitals I'd guess. When the guy asked how large is that image on those shots and I told him 106" diagonal I'll bet many with Home TV type setups said huh!

Members, take a walk up into the Digital Projectors $3500 and over forum and brouse around. :)

Guy, that's wierd I'm pretty sure your number setup on the Oppo is exactly as I set mine up, by using Avia to help me first. That's odd ;)

Members, take a walk up into the Digital Projectors $3500 and over forum and brouse around. :)



Scary! I already know I will see things I like! :o

Would anyone kindly save me the trouble of reading through this 50+ page thread and tell me if:

a) the subtitle issue has been fixed?

b) when turning the player off while playing a DVD, does it save your spot?

I'm thinking of buying this player, but these are two issues I am very concerned about. I've read the firmware updates on the Oppo website, but as far as I can tell these two issues have not been mentioned. I would very much appreciate it if anyone can answer my questions.

Thanks.

a) the subtitle problem is still apparent. I was watching the Incredibles last night and at the beggining of the movie where they are interviewing the super heros, inproper names [like Frozzo] would show up as a sub-title. There were a couple of instances of this. I fixed the problem by turning off subtitles through the DVD menu.

b) the 971H completely turns itself off when shut down. There is no memory cache to remember where you left off.

This player was identified some time ago and we are waiting for the bold first purchaser to come forward. It looks promising although with the same Faroudja FLI2310, it will almost certainly have the macroblocking problem of the other players using that chip. Macroblocking doesn't ruin my DVB318 for me so if the build quality is good, it is apparently manufactured by an experienced Chinese OEM Winbase Electronics, it might be better built than the Momitsu, LiteOn and Bravo upscaling players and ultimately be the leader of the inexpensive upconversion players.

Chris
This is the post #2 in this thread made many moons ago. What a prediction! Chris, What's next? My wild guess is the OPPO II...

a) the subtitle problem is still apparent. I was watching the Incredibles last night and at the beggining of the movie where they are interviewing the super heros, inproper names (like Frozzo) would show up as a sub-title. There were a couple of instances of this. I fixed the problem by turning off subtitles through the DVD menu.


I have seen this exact problem with the Incredibles on my Oppo. French also (I think)--and when I go into the DVD setup menu, subtitles are already OFF. Playing after that seems to eliminate the problem.

Also, I've seen other DVDs where subtitles that are actually part of the movie (short foreign dialog) still don't show up on the Oppo when they should.

It is very weird.

I have seen this exact problem with the Incredibles on my Oppo. French also (I think)--and when I go into the DVD setup menu, subtitles are already OFF. Playing after that seems to eliminate the problem.

Also, I've seen other DVDs where subtitles that are actually part of the movie (short foreign dialog) still don't show up on the Oppo when they should.

It is very weird.


Yes, this is strange, since this isnt behavior I have. I have sub titles set to off in preferences. And when there is short foreign passages, I see english sub-titles as i would expect to. Are there different ways of handling sub-titles? Two I've watched are Patton, when Rommel speaks German, I get English subtitles. I recorded Into the West last week and watched it last nite. When Indians spoke, I had english sub titles. Isn't this how it is supposed to work?

Thanks,
Rick

Yes, this is strange, since this isnt behavior I have. I have sub titles set to off in preferences. And when there is short foreign passages, I see english sub-titles as i would expect to. Are there different ways of handling sub-titles? Two I've watched are Patton, when Rommel speaks German, I get English subtitles. I recorded Into the West last week and watched it last nite. When Indians spoke, I had english sub titles. Isn't this how it is supposed to work?

Thanks,
Rick

I would assume that those instances are supposed to be there, assuming the studio wanted the audience to know what is being said. What most users are complaining about are instances in which the player, for no apparent reason, decides to ad subtitles that are not part of spoken foreign interpretation.

I have contacted Oppo, and they are aware of the problem, but don't know what is causing it. Very mysterious indeed.

If I have a 3.5 ghz computer, run ffdshow on it and hook it up to my DLP TV through DVI cable, would I get a better picture than my Oppo? I want the black to be black, not messy that look like an ion storm. I think that's what you guys called macroblocking.

Does anyone know?

I just watched I Robot on the Oppo. Picture quality was awesome, but about 2/3 of the way through, I had the lip-sync problem. It was very bad, but a pause/play fixed it for the rest of the movie.

Annoying, but easy to fix with the movie stoppage.

It would make this player nearly perfect if they could fix this problem.

Could anyone check if the 'audio sync/delay' problem has any correlation with the physical quality of the DVD, i.e. a dirty or smeared DVD surface?

The error correction on the loader performed to a scratched or bad DVD could add the most computation delay. If I am a video engineer, all the video pixels can be figured out, so it wouldn't make sense certain scene took longer for the Faroudja to process. I have never noticed any lip-sync issue distracting from watching DVD, and I have a habit of keeping my DVDs in pristine condition.

Yes, this is strange, since this isnt behavior I have. I have sub titles set to off in preferences. And when there is short foreign passages, I see english sub-titles as i would expect to. Are there different ways of handling sub-titles? Two I've watched are Patton, when Rommel speaks German, I get English subtitles. I recorded Into the West last week and watched it last nite. When Indians spoke, I had english sub titles. Isn't this how it is supposed to work?

I don't have Patton, but are the subitles you reference player-generated or burned into the print?

If you recorded Into the West off television, the subtitles are part of the video image, not something the player can choose to display or not.

Could anyone check if the 'audio sync/delay' problem has any correlation with the physical quality of the DVD, i.e. a dirty or smeared DVD surface?

The error correction on the loader performed to a scratched or bad DVD could add the most computation delay. If I am a video engineer, all the video pixels can be figured out, so it wouldn't make sense certain scene took longer for the Faroudja to process. I have never noticed any lip-sync issue distracting from watching DVD, and I have a habit of keeping my DVDs in pristine condition.

That might be true if the video & audio data were read as separate bitstreams, but as I understand it the data all comes over in one swell foop, the player separates the video from the audio. So to my mind, it would delay the processing of both, not the 2 streams separately.. though I'm hardly an expert.

I've tried a few brand new DVD's and the lip sync problem reared it's ugly head, so it's not the DVD's fault. Also, I've experienced the same thing with DVD's that I know played perfectly on my three previous DVD players, the Marantz 9500, Denon 3910 and Sony 9000ES. I'd have to say with 99% certainty, it's the OPPO.

I don't have Patton, but are the subitles you reference player-generated or burned into the print?

If you recorded Into the West off television, the subtitles are part of the video image, not something the player can choose to display or not.


Josh,

Thanks, I wondered if it wasn't something like that that made a differnce in what I was seeing. I don't know about Patton, but probably it is part of image.

Rick

If I have a 3.5 ghz computer, run ffdshow on it and hook it up to my DLP TV through DVI cable, would I get a better picture than my Oppo? I want the black to be black, not messy that look like an ion storm. I think that's what you guys called macroblocking.

Possibly. But only if you played perfectly mastered DVDs (ie. no weird cadences or DVDs with bad deinterlacing flags). This also assumes you have a 6x00 series NVIDIA card or ATI card running TheaterTek or the latest NVIDIA decoders - or alternately running DScaler5 and ZoomPlayer.

I think the HTPC can beat the Oppo in the above very specific instance - no macroblocking. However, you might experience stutter/judder. Also, playing anime while using FFDShow probably won't work well for most titles - you'd need to use NVIDIA PureVideo features to get non-hairy deinterlacing.

Oppo - superior deinterlacer. HTPC - great picture with properly mastered film sources but with possible stutter headaches and limited deinterlacing. Pick your poison. :)

Thanks, I wondered if it wasn't something like that that made a differnce in what I was seeing. I don't know about Patton, but probably it is part of image.

Cue up one of those scenes and try using the player's remote to change subtitle options. If you can make them either go away or switch to a different language, they're player generated. If not, they're probably part of the film print. Do they look "electronic"?

Here's what I wrote Oppo this morning:

"Hello,

"My Oppo 971H DVD player came with a DVI-DVI cable which I have not used.
May I exchange it for a DVI-HDMI cable which I can use?

"Many thanks for your excellent customer service. I am a retired customer
service representative of L.L. Bean which built its business - now over
90 years old - on customer service. I wish you well on your efforts.
You're off to a great start!

"And of course I love my Oppo! Serial # XXX"

Here's what Oppo wrote back about four hours later. (More like one hour after receiving it, after adjusting for time zone differences.)

"Dana...

"We're glad to have you as a customer. Normally, for orders over 30 days old we charge a $10 fee just to recoup the cost of the cable and shipping. For you, we'll waive this fee and send an HDMI cable free of charge. Also, you can keep the DVI cable."

Folks, it just doesn't get better than this in customer service at the retail level. World-class stuff. Unheard of in consumer electronics at this price point, IMHO.

Dana

Hi
Just brought a DVDA ( hotel california) and use my OPPO to play it. I have the latest firmware. However, i did not find the sound any better than a CD. Can some one post the proper configuration/set up required to get the best effect. I have tried using the analogue connection as well as the coxial connection. No difference! Please advise. Many thanks.

For DVD-A you need to connect using the 5.1 analog connections.
Barry

Hi
Just brought a DVDA ( hotel california) and use my OPPO to play it. I have the latest firmware. However, i did not find the sound any better than a CD. Can some one post the proper configuration/set up required to get the best effect. I have tried using the analogue connection as well as the coxial connection. No difference! Please advise. Many thanks. DVD-A is only available through the analog ouputs. Connect all the analog outputs (except downmix-LR) to the receiver. Set the receiver to 5.1 analog. You should hear all 6 channels working.

Bear in mind that the quality of the sound is highly dependant on the quality of the rest of your system. Comparing the quality of DVD-A sound to CD: Aside from the extra channels, you probably will not notice any difference, unless you have a high-end listening environment. The components that make the most difference to sound quality are; the listening room, the speakers, and the receiver, probably in that order.

Gary

For DVD-A you need to connect using the 5.1 analog connections.
BarrySomething that I don't understand, If I only connect using coxial when I play my DVDA, where are the sounds coming from, I heard from all 5 speakers?

Thats your pre-amp ( or receiver) taking the stereo signal and processing it. Any 2 channel source can be converted to 5, 6 or 7 channels depending upon your gear. It has nothing to do with DVD-A, which is processed in the DVD player to the analogue outs. Of course DVD-A and SACD should have been designed for a single digital cable, but the record companies were afraid of digital pirating and prevented that from happening. As if a pirater wouldn't be satisfied with taking the analogue outs and making illegal copies. Simply stupid, this is one of the factor contributing to the underwhelming response the higher def audio formats received.

It's been 2 days i am using this player. It wont do 1080i, it does 480p and 720p.
My display is Sanyo 32'' HDTV. iwith HDMI input
my tv does 1080i for OTA channels like PBS & NBC.
I like the PQ in 720p, i am guessing it will be much better in 1080i
does any one had similar issue.

TIA

This is one of the reasons I haven't bought this player yet. My current player can play both DVD-A's and SACD's so I only have to run one $130 set of analog cables to my receiver. Now if I were to buy the Oppo I would have to buy another set of analog cables to listen to DVD-A's on the Oppo. However my receiver only has 1 set of analog cable inputs. Maybe I could just continue to use my current player for DVD-A's and SACD's and just use the Oppo for watching movies.

Maybe I could just continue to use my current player for DVD-A's and SACD's and just use the Oppo for watching movies. That's what I do. :)

It's been 2 days i am using this player. It wont do 1080i, it does 480p and 720p.
My display is Sanyo 32'' HDTV. iwith HDMI input
my tv does 1080i for OTA channels like PBS & NBC.
I like the PQ in 720p, i am guessing it will be much better in 1080i
does any one had similar issue.

TIA

What version of the firmware are you using? The newer firmware update fixed an issue with some displays not showing 1080i correctly. The new firmware now has 540p and 1080i, both of which seem identical, but one supporting 1080i capable displays better than the other. Check the oppodigital.com website for info on the firmware and how to check it and update it.

I've read through all the Oppo threads in a crash course attempt to educate myself, but after setting up my player I still have a few questions. I'm having trouble figuring out the ideal settings for my particular monitor/player situation and I'm hoping somebody has the same set-up. I have my Oppo hooked up to a Westinghouse LTV-27W2 via a DVI cable. This is my first HDTV, and I took the monitor out of the box the same day my Oppo arrived, so I have no prior experience with this set.

The Oppo settings are all default except for aspect ratio, which I set to Wide/SQZ. The monitor settings for aspect ratio are Zoom, Standard and Fill. When I set the Oppo's DVI output to 1080i and the monitor is set on Fill, the picture is a bit smeary and significantly cropped on the sides. Setting the monitor to Standard eliminates the cropping, but the smeariness remains. I switched the DVI output to 720p and the image becomes brighter and less color saturated, but with no visible cropping or smeariness. With DVI set to 720p, changing the monitor's aspect ratio settings does nothing. The 720p setting also appears to disable my monitor's contrast control.

So, I'm prepared to admit now that I can't figure this all out on my own. The color and depth of the 1080i setting looks fantastic to my eyes, but the cropping and smeariness are unacceptable. I'm assuming that 1080i is the the ideal setting for both my monitor and the Oppo, so there must be something I'm not doing right. Can anyone help?

Oh, and I guess I'll also throw this out there: I watched about 1/2 hour of The Score and noticed the audio synch problem. It was pretty bad, but a quick touch of the reverse button synched it back up again...temporarily.

You're using a 1280 x 720 display so setting the OPPO DVI output ot 720P will probably be the best match for the display. I rather doubt the scaler and deinterlacer in the display are better than in the OPPO player. Poor scaling by the display is probably the reason for the smeared image with 1080i. Going to 720P seems to lock your display into some sort of 1:1 pixel matching mode (which is good). If you are unable to control contrast on the monitor you may need to do it at the OPPO's controls. Sounds like your display has some truely odd quirks.

It's been 2 days i am using this player. It wont do 1080i, it does 480p and 720p.
My display is Sanyo 32'' HDTV. iwith HDMI input
my tv does 1080i for OTA channels like PBS & NBC.
I like the PQ in 720p, i am guessing it will be much better in 1080i
does any one had similar issue.

TIA

I have the same Sanyo 32-inch display. The oppo works fine with 480p and 720p, but shows a blank screen with 540p and a flickering/garbled screen at 1080i. I've e-mailed oppo support and they sent me a replacement player with the same problem. I've used three other upconverting players that all work properly at 1080i mode with my display. I really like the player, but I hope that oppo will address this issue with a firmware update.

Floben:

I think 720p is the native rate for your display, right?
And isnt 720p better than 1080i?

RE: DiVX playback

Will the Oppo handle DVD+R burned with multiple divx files? Will a menu come up allowing you to select the appropriate file?

I accidentally turned off the power when I was doing the firmware update and now I have a blank screen and the player is locked up. Anyone know how to reset the oppo so I can re-load the firmware?

RE: DiVX playback

Will the Oppo handle DVD+R burned with multiple divx files? Will a menu come up allowing you to select the appropriate file?

Yes. You will be able to browse through files such as avi, jpg, and mp3.

it would be great if the OPPO would play high res (near HD) quality avi/divx files with 5.1 sound. these are typically called HRHD avi files on file trading sites.... so far with all my experiences the oppo plays the sound, but no video on these files. they are divx files, i'm sure there is something oppo could do with a firmware upgrade to enable their playback.

I accidentally turned off the power when I was doing the firmware update and now I have a blank screen and the player is locked up. Anyone know how to reset the oppo so I can re-load the firmware?

Suggest that you contact OPPO customer service for help. The OPPO website says you need to have UPS while doing the firmare upgrade. Good luck!

I've been following this thread since around page 33, and still loving the Oppo. Especially with the new firmware!

I know my question was addressed somewhere in the thread, but I can't find it now, so apologies for that .

I'm buying a new receiver with 5.1 analog inputs so I can use DVD-A. If I use the 5.1 analog connections for watching regular DVDs, will there still be a lip sync issue, or is that only through the digital connections?

I accidentally turned off the power when I was doing the firmware update and now I have a blank screen and the player is locked up. Anyone know how to reset the oppo so I can re-load the firmware?

Because the player is locked, you will have to send it back to Oppo. There is nothing you can do.

RE: DiVX playback

Will the Oppo handle DVD+R burned with multiple divx files? Will a menu come up allowing you to select the appropriate file?

I dont have any dvd+r disks but my dvd-r disks work fine. Menu comes up (directory/file browser) that you can use to select file.

If I use the 5.1 analog connections for watching regular DVDs, will there still be a lip sync issue, or is that only through the digital connections? See this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5847748#post5847748) post.

I accidentally turned off the power when I was doing the firmware update and now I have a blank screen and the player is locked up. Anyone know how to reset the oppo so I can re-load the firmware?

If it's any consolation mine did practically the same thing. I emailed Oppo and within hours I got an RMA and I sent the player back to them. Turnaround for it being sent there, the 'fix' done, and returned to me was a week. Very good service IMO.

For what it's worth, a small percent of Pc's will get hosed when doing a firmware upgrade so this is not uncommon. These Players are basically mini- PC's nowadays.

Dont fret,
Flan

See this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5847748#post5847748) post.

Thanks Gary!

Thats your pre-amp ( or receiver) taking the stereo signal and processing it. Any 2 channel source can be converted to 5, 6 or 7 channels depending upon your gear. It has nothing to do with DVD-A, which is processed in the DVD player to the analogue outs. Of course DVD-A and SACD should have been designed for a single digital cable, but the record companies were afraid of digital pirating and prevented that from happening. As if a pirater wouldn't be satisfied with taking the analogue outs and making illegal copies. Simply stupid, this is one of the factor contributing to the underwhelming response the higher def audio formats received.

Agreed it's stupid, but it's also the case that existing standardized digital interconnects (toslink and coax) don't have the bandwidth for dvd-a/sacd. Stupid or no, at least they didn't release the formats -requiring- a new, fancy shmancy digital spec a la denon link, but instead allow you to use almost any receiver/amp combo with 5.1 analogue input.

As we move to HD-DVD/BlueRay, there's much talk of abadoning HD-over-RCA cables (read: Component output) in favour of a digital cable only option (read HDMI:HDCP), a move that will affect quite a number of existing TVs, HD or otherwise, to be sure...

To throw some more fun in the DVD-A front, way, wayyyy back many posts ago I had asked about the track delay for some DTS (the company, not the codec) produced discs. On Queen's Night at the Opera, for instance, my RP-82 puts pauses between the first several tracks on the MLP layer. It doesn't do this on the DTS audio layer, nor, of course, does the original CD.

The Oppo improves the track switch time, but there's still a little "hiccup" as track one ends and track two begins. Obviously a software issue, but I include it here for posterity.

Finally, I was playing with the THX optimizer on AOTC, and, as indicated here several times, the sound was a full speaker out of synch running through both digital and analogue cables (when center speaker is highlighted, left white noise is blurting out).

Adding to this weirdness, the AOTC test is actually an EX test. On my RP-82, I get proper rear surround signals mono to my back speakers. What's really weird is that with the Oppo I get the EX chanel mixed evenly between my side surrounds. Now, you might think this is obvious if I'm using 5.1 analogue cables, but I'm talking about this happening when using Toslink!

Weird, huh?

Short version, I'm not throwing away my '82 any time soon. I dig the Oppo a lot, but it's still my second player. For multi region, digital source or dvd-a it's my main player, for 4:3 TV stuff, and other every day viewing I'm still sticking with the '82. That may change as the remaining bugs get cleared off, but that's how it is.

I've tried a few brand new DVD's and the lip sync problem reared it's ugly head, so it's not the DVD's fault. Also, I've experienced the same thing with DVD's that I know played perfectly on my three previous DVD players, the Marantz 9500, Denon 3910 and Sony 9000ES. I'd have to say with 99% certainty, it's the OPPO.


I used to think the same thing UNTIL :eek: I swapped my Pioneer VSX-D607s 5.1 receiver with the new Panasonic SAXR55 digital receiver. Now it appears, so far, that all my lip sync issues have dissapeared! :p

I first noticed the improvement when watching Everybody Loves Raymond through HDTV. With the old receiver the lip sync was awful. But now it's right on! I can only attribute it to the new receiver. So I also checked by playing a couple of DVD's and so far there are no more lip sync issues.

So then......could it be......that certain combinations of components can enhance, and or eliminate some of these intermitent problems? While one DVD player may not have exibited the problem in question, and another one did, does this necessarily mean that it's the DVD's problem? Maybe not.

I love my Oppo. On a Samsung DLP it looks nearly like HD, and I have HD to compare it to. As for the Panasonic SAXR55....I love it also.

Cheers! ;)

Hi Guys! quick couple of questions here.....
1)anyone had the chance to compare oppo against Bravo D2?... if so, how do they stack up?

2)anyone using an OPPO/Panasonic PT-AE700U combo?... if so, what's your take?

3)what's the longest cable run anyone has been able to use "succesfully"???

I used to think the same thing UNTIL :eek: I swapped my Pioneer VSX-D607s 5.1 receiver with the new Panasonic SAXR55 digital receiver. Now it appears, so far, that all my lip sync issues have dissapeared! :p

I first noticed the improvement when watching Everybody Loves Raymond through HDTV. With the old receiver the lip sync was awful. But now it's right on! I can only attribute it to the new receiver. So I also checked by playing a couple of DVD's and so far there are no more lip sync issues.

So then......could it be......that certains combinations of components can enhance, and or eliminate some of these intermitent problems? While one DVD player may not have exibited the problem in question, and another one did, does this necessarily mean that it's the DVD's problem? Maybe not.

I love my Oppo. On a Samsung DLP it looks nearly like HD, and I have HD to compare it to. As for the Panasonic SAXR55....I love it also.

Cheers! ;)

You never know with HDTV broadcasts and lip sync. Sometimes the broadcast itself is totally off, not being the fault of the display or receiver.

Hi Guys! quick couple of questions here.....
1)anyone had the chance to compare oppo against Bravo D2?... if so, how do they stack up?

2)anyone using an OPPO/Panasonic PT-AE700U combo?... if so, what's your take?

3)what's the longest cable run anyone has been able to use "succesfully"???

On #1, I know it's not exactly the same, but I have compared it to a Bravo D1. The PQ is similar, though the Oppo's black level is correct, and the D1 was IRE 7.5. The Oppo is more responsive to the remote, has faster layer changes, and loads more reliably. Plus, all of the minor glitches are actively being corrected via firmware upgrades - and Oppo answers tech support calls, which I always had trouble with with VInc. For the same $$, I'd go with the Oppo. It doesn't support custom resolutions, but that may or may not add value for you.

On #1, I know it's not exactly the same, but I have compared it to a Bravo D1. The PQ is similar, though the Oppo's black level is correct, and the D1 was IRE 7.5. The Oppo is more responsive to the remote, has faster layer changes, and loads more reliably. Plus, all of the minor glitches are actively being corrected via firmware upgrades - and Oppo answers tech support calls, which I always had trouble with with VInc. For the same $$, I'd go with the Oppo. It doesn't support custom resolutions, but that may or may not add value for you.

Thx, I appreciate that info; see I currently use the D2/Panni combo; and since the secrets test showed the oppo scored 94 I've been wondering if it's pq could be much better than the D2; blacks are deffinetly important and as you mentioned custom resolutions make no diff to me. I love the pq of the D2 & if the oppo improves on it, that just makes it sweeter!

Thx, I appreciate that info; see I currently use the D2/Panni combo; and since the secrets test showed the oppo scored 94 I've been wondering if it's pq could be much better than the D2; blacks are deffinetly important and as you mentioned custom resolutions make no diff to me. I love the pq of the D2 & if the oppo improves on it, that just makes it sweeter!

The sharpness of the Bravo is hard to beat, and the Oppo shimmers at higher sharpness levels, but the blacks are better on Oppo. I do fine the Oppo with sharpness off/low a little bit softer than the Bravo, but more realistic - less enhanced.

Like I said, I remember threads where it was like: What receiver do you have, what DVD player, and what display, and it came down to Onkyo receivers (which was known, but not all people had problems, and it was only DD and not DTS or some weird thing).

This interests me very much. I have a Sam HLP5063 and a Onkyo 502 receiver and am about to pull the trigger on the OPPO. Are you saying that the OPPO has the most problems syncing with the all Onkyo receivers?

If so, does anybody know why?

This interests me very much. I have a Sam HLP5063 and a Onkyo 502 receiver and am about to pull the trigger on the OPPO. Are you saying that the OPPO has the most problems syncing with the all Onkyo receivers?

If so, does anybody know why?

Aggie,

The sync problem isn't only with Onkyo recvrs. I have my OPPO coupled with a SONY reciever (SR 750 via digital coax) and it has the sync problem. But the problem is intermittent. And it may be combination of display, dlayer and recvr. (I have a Tosh CRT-RP).

Rick

I have the same Sanyo 32-inch display. The oppo works fine with 480p and 720p, but shows a blank screen with 540p and a flickering/garbled screen at 1080i. I've e-mailed oppo support and they sent me a replacement player with the same problem. I've used three other upconverting players that all work properly at 1080i mode with my display. I really like the player, but I hope that oppo will address this issue with a firmware update.

Since your TV is a 720p model, why are you so intent on sending it an upscaled 1080i signal? There is no advantage in upscaling a 480i DVD to 1080i and then having the TV scale it back down to 720p. Double scaling introduces the risk of mathematical errors.

I've had very few lip sync issues. I'm not sure why it's been so few. I'm using the TOS output into a Theta Casanova decoder.

SJschaff, I've also been using a Casanova (just packed it up for the upgrade). Been considering the Oppo as a temporary solution. How is its sound into the Theta?

BTW: Compared TOS to Coaxial digital from my older Denon into the Casanova some time ago. The Coaxial sounded quite a bit better.

You never know with HDTV broadcasts and lip sync. Sometimes the broadcast itself is totally off, not being the fault of the display or receiver.


I agree! But, every night I would watch Everybody Loves Raymond, and every night the lip sync was terrible. I just accepted it as bad signal. Then I hook up the Panasonic and lo-and-behold...the lip sync problem is GONE!

I doubt that the signal had anything to do with it. Since the only thing that has changed is the receiver, it certainly "appears" as if this was the culprit. I have the new receiver hooked up the exact same way as the old one...both for DVD and for HDTV/SDTV.

For video out of the cable box is component to the DLP. For sound out of the cable box is optical to the receiver.

For video out of the Oppo is DVI to the DLP. For sound out of the Oppo is COAX to the receiver.

Hey guys, new here but been reading the forum for a long time.

I received my Oppo yesterday and was really looking forward to using it with my Toshiba 57H83 in the 540P mode since that is the native resolution of this TV. However, when I switch to the 540P mode, I get a picture that slowly rolls upwards. Takes about 30 seconds for a complete frame roll. But I can see that it is the best picture quality out of all the modes. The picture at 1080i is pretty good as well but there is a slight flicker, which I assume is due to a reduced refresh rate in order to generate the higher resolution. The picture at 540P looks rock solid and very clean, except for the roll. 720P is solid as well but some sharpness is lost, which I assume is due to the 480i->720P->540P conversion that takes place. 480P looks better, but lack the cleaness of 540P.

Anyone else with a 540P Toshiba TV successfully see a 540P picture that doesn't roll?

Another problem with the 540P mode is that it usually doesn't work when I change into it using the "DVI" button on the remote. Most of the time I do that I get a black screen with some light snow and some curvy rainbow colored horizontal bars at the bottom of the screen. But if I leave the TV on, turn off the DVD, then turn it back on while still in 540P mode, the picture comes up, slowly rolling.

I've emailed Oppo but haven't received a response yet. Hope they release a new firmware that fix this problem if it exists.

LeeLee,
Have you ever gotten 540p to sync correctly with your display? IIRC, some 540p displays, even though they are 540p, still won't sync up correctly to a direct 540p source.

Hi Ja Phule,

No I've never had any other piece of equipment that was capable of 540P output. I guess I could try it with my ATI 9800 video card, there are PC monitor drivers for the 57H83 out there.

I just thought that since there were picture rolling issues in 1080i mode on certain Toshiba TVs that were fixed via the 5/7/05 firmware release for the Oppo, that this is a similar problem and would therefore get a similar fix. Especially considering that the 540P mode is a recent addition to the feature set.

I have a 65H83, and could only get a rolling picture at 540p once. The rest of the time I only get a black screen with three magenta vertical bars. The 5/7 firmware did fix the scrolling at 1080i for me, so there's hope.

I'm almost sure I've read somewhere about someone sending a 540p signal from a HTPC, so I think the Toshiba can take that as an input.

Got a response back:

Lee,

We are looking diligently into the 1080i and 540p problems that users
have been experiencing with CRT based television sets. I have added the
540p power down "fix" to our internal FAQ. Hopefully, this is something
that all users can do until there is a proper fix.

Best Regards,

Customer Service
Oppo Digital, Inc.

Here's my original email:

> I am a happy new owner of this wonderful DVD player. I really appreciate all
> the good work that has gone into it, especially the newly added 540P output on
> DVI per the 6/28 firmware update. I have a Toshiba 57H83 TV, which supports
> 540P as the native resolution. However, I am experiencing a slowly rolling
> picture in this mode. Also, switching into 540P mode using the DVI button on
> the remote almost never works and a dark blank screen with snow sparkles and
> some rainbow colored curvy bars show up on the bottom of the screen. However,
> it works when I leave it in 540P mode, power off, and then power on the DVD
> player. If you guys can somehow find a fix for the picture rolling problem I'd
> be one happy camper.

Thx, I appreciate that info; see I currently use the D2/Panni combo; and since the secrets test showed the oppo scored 94 I've been wondering if it's pq could be much better than the D2; blacks are deffinetly important and as you mentioned custom resolutions make no diff to me. I love the pq of the D2 & if the oppo improves on it, that just makes it sweeter!

I have a D2 I've used for quite awhile and while it has an excellent picture most of the time, it's mediocre deinterlacing performance (it's not motion adaptive) is a problem with some DVDs. The Oppo doesn't have that problem or any of the other glitches that the D2 often does.

has anyone used their Oppo to playback a high-def (720p+) mpeg4/DivX recording?

Anyone knows where I should search for a Faroudja test disc?

OPPO fixed my unit for no charge after I blew it up during a firmware upgrade (mostly my fault). Thank you OPPO. But, I was hoping that the resoultion would show on the screen when you change it. When I look at the digital output, I don't know what resolution I am at. Any thoughts? My projector doesn't display it either (Marantz VP12S3).

OPPO fixed my unit for no charge after I blew it up during a firmware upgrade (mostly my fault). Thank you OPPO. But, I was hoping that the resoultion would show on the screen when you change it. When I look at the digital output, I don't know what resolution I am at. Any thoughts? My projector doesn't display it either (Marantz VP12S3).

I just got my unit yesterday and installed it last night. Haven't spent too much time with it yet, but what I did notice was when I switch resolution it "very quickly" displays on the screen...like maybe a second.

BTW, I did not yet upgrade the firmware but I am curious to see what firmware level this unit is at before I upgrade to the latest. How does one determine the current firmware version?

I have a D2 I've used for quite awhile and while it has an excellent picture most of the time, it's mediocre deinterlacing performance (it's not motion adaptive) is a problem with some DVDs. The Oppo doesn't have that problem or any of the other glitches that the D2 often does.

That's Music to my ears Mike! THX as a D2 user maybe you would know if the Oppo suffers from the same problem of limited dvi cable runs... I really hope it doesn't! and just so u know I just ordered my first oppo and will be reporting on the performance of it asap!

the oppo can take much longer cable runs than a d2.

i have proven that and with the latest firmware i have turned off my d2.

i still think the d2 has a great pq, but other issues outweigh the switch now.

oddly enough, i find running the oppo in 540p (using an h31) looks better than 480p, which doesn't make sense to me.

oh well.
-r

I just calibrated my new Oppo using DVE and it seems that I need to set the brightness to +7. This seems a little high doesn't it? Below that, though, I'm not getting the correct black level according to DVE (regardless of my display's brightness setting). Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm outputting at 720p to HDMI. Thanks.

Yes, you use the brightness level from the player to bring blacks back from a crushing state. I'm at plus six using DVI with projectors I have. Without out the ability of the player to fix black crush we'd be SOL. You're fine by using the players brightness control.

Thanks.

what do you have as the sharpness and lifelike settings on the oppo?
thanks.
-r

I have the sharpness off and true life on, although I still need to play with the settings more - just did a quick calibration for brightness and color last night.

can you tell me what settings you changed? i haven't calibrated really yet, but would like to know if anything really needs to change.

i have the oppo and an h31.
thanks.
-r

When I look at the digital output, I don't know what resolution I am at. Any thoughts? My projector doesn't display it either (Marantz VP12S3). See this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5507345#post5507345) post.

I just calibrated my new Oppo using DVE and it seems that I need to set the brightness to +7. This seems a little high doesn't it? Below that, though, I'm not getting the correct black level according to DVE (regardless of my display's brightness setting). Is anyone else experiencing this? I'm outputting at 720p to HDMI. Thanks. Titan, my brightness setting on the OPPO is +7, or +8. I can't remember which, at the moment (HEY! I'm old! ;) )

I just got my unit yesterday and installed it last night. Haven't spent too much time with it yet, but what I did notice was when I switch resolution it "very quickly" displays on the screen...like maybe a second.

BTW, I did not yet upgrade the firmware but I am curious to see what firmware level this unit is at before I upgrade to the latest. How does one determine the current firmware version?

OPDV971H Firmware Upgrade Q&As:

Q : How do I find out the firmware version of the OPDV971H DVD player?
A : Do the following to find out the firmware version:
• Press Setup on the remote controller
• Enter 9210 on the remote controller
• A menu will pop up to show the firmware version of the OPPO player.