johnny_marin,

When my HR10-250 HD Tivo is set to output at 1080i my projector input shows 1080i. Oh well.

Originally posted by wensteph
johnny_marin,

When my HR10-250 HD Tivo is set to output at 1080i my projector input shows 1080i. Oh well.

Thats interesting. Since I don't have an upscaling DVI DVD player yet (that's why I'm following this thread very closely) I can only go by my DVI output from BEV (Dish 811) receiver that my Benq FP shows as 1920X540P. The satellite receiver is set to 1080i in the menu screen so I have to assume the FP is deinterlacing and showing the above resolution parameters. If you have a 720P projector then it will not actually be showing 1080i as it is incapable due to it's resolution limitation. It must deinterlace and rescale to the 720P native resolution of your FP. Since the FP is incapable of showing an interlaced signal (strictly progressive) it has to deinterlace and the best it can do is 1920X540P rather than 1920X1080i.

That's my take on it.

John:)

Originally posted by wensteph
Rich4av,

I've got the SW set, but can't locate the THX optomizer. What disk is it on?

From memory, you need to go to the setup menu on ANY of the 3 movie DVDs and you will see the THX logo. Select it with your remote and it will offer you a choice of audio or video setup. Select video and it will step you through the patterns.

From my understanding, when connected through DVI, your display will communicate to your DVD player and report what resolutions it is capable of supporting. If it does not report 1080i, the DVD player (if it is intelligent) will not send 1080i.

Deez,

I agree with you when it comes to sharpness/contrast/brightness. But what I see as important is the quality of the images. How the two players show detail. No amount of calibrating my tv will bring out the detail level of the hair or other muddiness in the picture. Both the 2910 and the oppo share the same 2310 chip so I expected a similar amount of detail in the picture. I'm hoping that a firmware update can bring the image up to par.

Originally posted by deez
to all who provided screenshots ty but you really need to calibrate each player individually for proper comparisons....also all sharpness/contrast/brightness and color settings should be done on display......in fact if the frimware should have anything it would be to have these settings via player disabled.....and also a screensaver that comes on in stop and pause mode!!!...and isnt it nice to have all these relatively inexpensive gadgets to play with???

I disagree.......all picture adjustments imo need to be performed by display.....basicall because of the digital connection your set will display what ever dvd player is sending so your right there but if the adjustments that are made on dvd player are sent to display bad they will be displayed bad.......one note :i dont like the fact that you cannot disable the players sharpness control.....

Originally posted by dylang

No amount of calibrating my tv will bring out the detail level of the hair or other muddiness in the picture.

That's just plain wrong. You could be clipping Black or White details. If you’re not using Avia to test for Black and Contrast detail how do you know your not missing details...?

I'm not talking about adjustments you and I could do. I'm talking about the work 2310 is doing. Obviously there is a fair amount of fine tuning "under the hood." The engineers calibrate the picture to take full advantage of the chip. In a computer some motherboards take better advantage of the processor than others. That's why you don't go out and buy any old motherboard. Or we don't buy any old dvd player, some are better than others. If I play with my tv's setting's it cannot make a muddy image look good. I perhaps could make it look better in some ways, lowering the contrast, adding some sharpness, etc, but my tv can not add lost detail, that's a fact. My tv doesn't know what information the dvd player is scrapping.

Without the 2910 as comparison I would never have known about the missing details and I would settled with just fine tuning my tv with the avia disk. But that simply is not enough.

Originally posted by dylang
I perhaps could make it look better in some ways, lowering the contrast, adding some sharpness, etc, but my tv can not add lost detail, that's a fact. My tv doesn't know what information the dvd player is scrapping.

So your saying the player is not clipping these details? I'm not saying your wrong, you may be right. But can you confirm that at least your display is not clipping Black or White details?

Geez, I finally caught up to you guys and read through the 13 pages of this thread. Now I'm not sure why because my projector wont do DVI. Crap! I have the Zenith 318 and have been loving it for about six months. Now I'm wondering if I should upgrade my projector soon so that I can do DVI since that is what most upscaling players support. Great...

One often overlooked adjustment is Gamma. It can make a muddy picture look beautiful! I understand that the Oppo has a Gamma setting as well?

Originally posted by dropzone7
Geez, I finally caught up to you guys and read through the 13 pages of this thread. Now I'm not sure why because my projector wont do DVI. Crap! I have the Zenith 318 and have been loving it for about six months. Now I'm wondering if I should upgrade my projector soon so that I can do DVI since that is what most upscaling players support. Great... Just pass DVI and get something with HDMI, but wait for another year. These players have a lot to work out yet.

Originally posted by Rich4av
One often overlooked adjustment is Gamma. It can make a muddy picture look beautiful! I understand that the Oppo has a Gamma setting as well?

I'm not at home to check (and I've only had the dvd player for one night so far) but I don't remember a gamma setting. Just sharpness, contrast, and brightness.

Originally posted by Dawn
Just pass DVI and get something with HDMI, but wait for another year. These players have a lot to work out yet.

Dawn,

Something that's always puzzled me is having an HDMI port on projectors. Why does a projector need an audio signal along with the video? That's what receivers are for right?

Never understood that...:confused:




S.Anderson

p.s. I personally use a DVI-to-HDMI cable for my Sanyo Z3 projector.

There's no Gamma setting.

The player will refuse to into 1080i mode if the screen does not support it.

I believe PAL to NTSC conversion is handled the latter way, but I shall ask the engineers to make sure.

oppo!
is the website working yet?

Originally posted by Hi Deaf
There's no Gamma setting.

OK, I stand corrected... If your display has a gamma control, try it ;)

dylang
I agree that your pictures of the king's beard show more detail on the Denon. And you're right that the display cannot resolve detail that isn't coming from the player.

HOWEVER, there are too many variables in this comparison to make a conclusive decision in favor of the Denon. The camera is maybe the biggest variable of all. A tiny amount of camera vibration, or a slightly different focus-point chosen by the camera could affect the picture. Slight differences in image brightness, could cause the camera to choose a different f-stop, also affecting the focus. What about resizing of the pictures? Smoothing algorithms can create different results each time too. Another thing, were you able to pause the image at EXACTLY the same frame, not one earlier or later. One frame can mean the difference between a perfect still, and the start of some motion in the scene. Also, as pointed out by others, the display really needs to be calibrated for each player, and the player's settings need to be optimized.

But to me, the most CONDEMNING evidence is at the top of your Oppo picture, where the king's forehead is cropped. Instead of a sharply focused line, as in the Denon picture, that line is out of focus. ITS YOUR CAMERA! A serious vibration or focus problem, I'm sure.

Gary

Good points GSB. Also dylang, I'm curious why you bought an Oppo when the Denon is so good?

I also want to add, isn't this kind of comparing apples to oranges? I am all for going to a product that can outperform most players that might be as much or more in cost. I haven't seen anyone mention that the Denon is somewhere around $500+ in cost, compared to the Oppo at $200. Is everyone trying to say that the Oppo should be better or just want to know how close it compares, since it is using the chip? What would make the Denon over twice as much? I own the Samsung HD841 and wouldn't consider myself a videophile, but I am always trying to better my setup. I am watching these thread closely and just waiting for the one comment to push me over the edge, but not sure what it will be. I think right now the saturation and clarity is in question. Once one of the owners determine the calibration being done and getting identical pictures are taken, I will have to hold out. Anyone think this would be better than the 841, even with what is in question still? Thanks.

Originally posted by Rieper
Dawn,

Something that's always puzzled me is having an HDMI port on projectors. Why does a projector need an audio signal along with the video? That's what receivers are for right?

Never understood that...:confused:




S.Anderson

p.s. I personally use a DVI-to-HDMI cable for my Sanyo Z3 projector. Hey - don't you use the mono audio on the pj? j/k

Our Toshiba has an optical audio link. We couldn't get that player to upconvert, however, so we are a bit disappointed with that. Now we don't know if we should keep it anyway and wait till we get an HDMI device, or sell it and try another DVI upconverting player. Our Bravo works still, but we know that won't last forever...

Originally posted by Hi Deaf
Good points GSB. Also dylang, I'm curious why you bought an Oppo when the Denon is so good?

Cost. $700 is a bit expensive for a dvd player right now when hd is around the corner.

Also: Critiquing the player is not a bad thing folks. This is supposedly being passed onto a group of engineers, why not try and make it better?

As for GSB's point I reserve comment till I get home from work to confirm. I took many photos not just those.

GSB is right, the camera is the biggest variable. My previous posts were very underexposed; these are closer to what I am seeing on my screen.

I have not calibrated with Avia, but did run through the THX Optomizer on the Stars Wars disk since my last posts. These are the ROTK shots dylang posted.

King

Quick question on the DISPLAY.. Does this player show you REMAINING TIME on the DVD? I could not find it when i saw the picture of the Remote Control.

Keep in mind that in the pause mode, the "field" is paused rather than "frame" resulting in a loss of detail. Pause the MPEG test in DVE to see what I mean.

Paul

I just received my Oppo today and hooked it up in place of my Samsung HD841. The 841 will get donated to someone I don't necessarily like!...lol

The PQ of the Oppo at 480p is fantastic, better than the 720p of the Sammy. Perhaps it needs to be, because...

I can't seem to get the Oppo to upscale. Whenever I hit the DVI button on the remote I get the "function not allowed" circle and slash in the upper left corner. I also cannot acess the "initial setup" menu.

My monitor is a Hitachi 65WX20 which is capable of supporting 720p and 1080i, is HDCP compiant and has worked perfectly with a Bravo D1, the Samsung 841 and a Denon 1910. I have a DVID cable from Pacific Cables, and a DVID cable I purchased from Extremephoto along with the Oppo. I have tried both cables.

Anyone have any idea what may be happening? Did I just get a bum unit?

wensteph,

Nice! It cleans up really well. Thanks for another set of eyes. :)

There is still a bit missing sharpness, look around the king's collar. But it's hard to really tell now at the 640 resolution of the pics. In any case I can't wait to go home and calibrate.

subha,

Yes. The OSD button cycles through Title Elapsed, Title Remain, Chapter Elapsed, Chapter Remain, Display Off.


DrJRapp,

The output can only be changed when the disk is not playing just in case you missed that. My setup button works with the disk playing or not playing. Hopefully OppoDigital will pick up on your post.

Originally posted by subha
Does this player show you REMAINING TIME on the DVD? I could not find it when i saw the picture of the Remote Control. Just press the OSD button twice.

Originally posted by dylang
wensteph,

Nice! It cleans up really well. Thanks for another set of eyes. :)

There is still a bit missing sharpness, look around the king's collar. But it's hard to really tell now at the 640 resolution of the pics. In any case I can't wait to go home and calibrate.

D'lang:
I am finding that if I squint at my TV, the image isn't nearly as clear, which makes me wonder whether you were sqinting when photographing the Oppo, but not the Denon. Also, were you using a flash?
Yours - TB

Does anyone know if future firmware updates would allow 1080i (or 720p) via component output? I am looking at the Zenith/LG player, but this looks more appealing.

Thanks, Brett

Not likely, go with the Zenith.

What i really want to know is how does this player perform with long camera pans and motion?? On my momo i do see a fair amount of "lag?" or whatever that is when the camera pans across a field or city landscape....in fact ive seen it with a few players i just dont know the term for it.......and does this unit have a screensaver?and does it come on in pause mode as well as stop??

Originally posted by deez
What i really want to know is how does this player perform with long camera pans and motion?? On my momo i do see a fair amount of "lag?" or whatever that is when the camera pans across a field or city landscape....in fact ive seen it with a few players i just dont know the term for it.......and does this unit have a screensaver?and does it come on in pause mode as well as stop??

The Lord of the Rings trilogy have long camera pans... I can try viewing the first disc in the trilogy and post observations. What specific movies do you find lag with when viewing on the Momo? Maybe I have those movies in my library as well...

S.Anderson

Will the Oppo go 720P to a DVI input that is not HDCP?

Originally posted by deez
What i really want to know is how does this player perform with long camera pans and motion?? On my momo i do see a fair amount of "lag?" or whatever that is when the camera pans across a field or city landscape....in fact ive seen it with a few players i just dont know the term for it.......and does this unit have a screensaver?and does it come on in pause mode as well as stop??

Do you mean there's image tearing? (i.e. it looks as if the image is being broken down into sections and the top part is not updating as fast as the bottom or vicaverca)

I think it has to do with the adaptive motion deinterlacing it is where the scene ,while panning,looks a little jittery ive always wondered if this is natural,because camera is moving or if it is some dvd players.....

Originally posted by anthonye
Will the Oppo go 720P to a DVI input that is not HDCP?

The rumor mill has it that this will be an unpublished feature in a future software release.

Originally posted by DrJRapp
The rumor mill has it that this will be an unpublished feature in a future software release.

I hope nobody buys now in anticipation of upscaling to non-HDCP compliant monitors in the future. This is most likely a rumor with no basis in fact. If you have a non-compliant monitor, the smart money buys one that upscales when you buy it or has a confirmed firmware update available to enable upscaling to your monitor.

Chris

Can anyone suggest a player that is in this price rage that does go 720P to a non compliant DVI HDCP input?

drjrapp,

do you get the upscaling to work yet? just wondering, i'm following this dvd player trying to see if anyone has problems before i hit the pickle button.

thanks,

Guy

guybarth,

Over on the Oppo FAQ/Brain Dump thread he posted that he got it working. He was attempting to change the output when the disk was playing. It needs to be stopped to change resolution.

thanks wensteph, just read that 5 seconds before reading your post.

I love this website!

Originally posted by anthonye
Can anyone suggest a player that is in this price rage that does go 720P to a non compliant DVI HDCP input?

One thing you need to be aware of, is that a number of the the HDCP non-compliant DVI input devices are locked into PC resolutions, _not_ standard HD resolutions. Meaning that the DVI input on those displays will only accept input signals that are computer resolutions and will not accept any other resolutions for input.

Not sure if this will affect you or not. Just trying to keep you from going a ways down the same blind alley that I did _grin_

Regards

Ken L

anthonye:

Momitsu v880.
I have my display (Sanyo Z2 projector) set to receive PC digital input via DVI, and it works fine... great in fact.

I wonder if anyone has tried the 480P or 576P over component yet? I just can not make 480P coming out of my Oppo's component out.

Some one has posted some pictures about inside of the Oppo. I see the FLI2310 chip is one the board with the the DVI out. The component out and the digital out is on another board. I wonder if this means there is no 480P or 576p from component out.

Has anyone tried the component yet?

Thanks

The specs page says Component (Y/Pb/Pr) x1, supports 480i, 480p, 576i, 576p.

I got scared for a minute there.

So, the DVD signal goes through the Farjouda DCDi, then to the component video?

Does the 480p signal undergo Farjouda processing?

DaveInBerlinNJ
I think that the V880 might be my best option right now. I use a Bravo D1 now and it freezes all the time very slow menu ect. but the picture is great. I'll have to check on my DVI input to see if it only accepts computer resolutions.

thanks for the input.

Originally posted by anthonye
DaveInBerlinNJ
I think that the V880 might be my best option right now. I use a Bravo D1 now and it freezes all the time very slow menu ect. but the picture is great. I'll have to check on my DVI input to see if it only accepts computer resolutions.

thanks for the input.

just make sure it's the v880 deluxe. you'll be happy with it, it uses same chipset as the D1

Thanks for all the posts so far. Two more esoteric questions if anyone can take a stab:

1. Is there any way to customize output resolution, as with the Bravo D2? My plasma runs at 1024x768 non-square pixel 16:9.

2. Will DivX movies encoded at 720p resolutions play back at 720p? i.e. if the actual encoding dimensions were 1280x720 would they remain intact through to the DVI, or would they be downsampled to 480i/p during processing?

Originally posted by guybarth
drjrapp,

do you get the upscaling to work yet? just wondering, i'm following this dvd player trying to see if anyone has problems before i hit the pickle button.

thanks,

Guy

Guy,

Yes, I did. Forum memeber HiDef had the answer. I previously owned a Samsung HD841 in which you did rez changes on the fly. The Oppo requires the unit be stopped, even though this isn't documented in the manual.

The Oppo seems to be a great player so far. PQ is top notch, the unit fuctions smoothly and reliably, and it appears to be very well built. I would not hesitate if you need an upscaling DVI player without SACD. I understand that DVA is comeing along in a firmware upgrade.

Waiting for mine to come in - should be here on Monday.

The website said that this unit comes with a 1.5m DVI cable. Usually the cables that come with electronics equipment leave something (quite a bit) to be desired. However, as DVI is a completely digital signal and shouldn't suffer from the same type of signal degradation that can impact an analog/audio signal (meaning that, with a digital signal, the signal is either there or it is not ... not like analog where the signal can be there, but degraded or with interference). Is the one that is included OK to use, or will I notice any difference with a "better quality cable? I would think that, as long as it caries the signal from one end to the other, the one included would be fine. I would like to not have to spend another $60-$100 on another cable if I can help it.

Thanks.

As I stated in the Panasonic thread, the gold plated DVI cable carries bigger zeros and ones than the standard cable, this results in the picture getting there faster. :D :D :D :D

I'm using the supplied DVI cable and it's working fine. Unless you see "sparkles" from bad shielding, the PQ should be the same.

Question??

I just got my oppo player today and when i switch it to 1080i the picture starts scrolling?? does anyone know why it would do that?? 480p and 720p works fine.

Originally posted by Chhuong
Question??

I just got my oppo player today and when i switch it to 1080i the picture starts scrolling?? does anyone know why it would do that?? 480p and 720p works fine.

What type of tv do you have? Does it support 1080i?

Originally posted by nothru22
As I stated in the Panasonic thread, the gold plated DVI cable carries bigger zeros and ones than the standard cable, this results in the picture getting there faster.

And you should put a smiley by this. Somebody might read it and believe it otherwise. All of this information can be very foreign to many people.

Chris

Originally posted by Chhuong
Question??

I just got my oppo player today and when i switch it to 1080i the picture starts scrolling?? does anyone know why it would do that?? 480p and 720p works fine.

You need to stop the player before changing output resolutions. If you are trying to do it while a disc is playing it wont' work properly and may cause the problem you are seeing.

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
And you should put a smiley by this. Somebody might read it and believe it otherwise. All of this information can be very foreign to many people.

Chris

You mean it's not true?!? :D

Originally posted by dropzone7
You need to stop the player before changing output resolutions. If you are trying to do it while a disc is playing it wont' work properly and may cause the problem you are seeing.

actually i am stopping the dvd player first, otherwise i get the invalid function symbol, and right now i'm trying it on a 34"crt tv that is hdcp compliant and has 1080i and was working fine with the momitsu??

guys and girls, i don't have the patience to read through this monster thread, can you please tell me what chip is used for divx/xvid decoding. Also is the same chip used in decoding divx and upscaling (like the old Sigma 8500 was used for both purposes in Liteon LVD2001), or there are separate chips for de-interlacing (Farourja), divx-converting, and upconverting (3 separate chips?)

Originally posted by Hi Deaf
I'm using the supplied DVI cable and it's working fine. Unless you see "sparkles" from bad shielding, the PQ should be the same.

Unless I've missed it, I haven't seen anyone post about going from DVI to HDMI. Has anyone tried it and were there any problems? I'm looking to replace my old Toshiba with a new player and this is looking more and more like the one.

Also, if you did try it, was it with a DVI->HDMI cable or just an adapter?

I added in the :D's I guess I was hoping someone would believe it was true so that then I could proceed to make fun of them mercilessly.

Oh well, opportunity missed. :(

well using it at 720p no matter how much i calibrate it using dve, i get some sort of shadow around thed bold outlines of animated movies. don't know what it is, is it macroblocking or is it ringing. picture detail is definitely better than my momitsu but the momitsu for me has a more film like clarity. the same thing happens for me on movies like shrek and ice age. it almost looks as if my convergence is off but with the momitsu it's fine. looks like i'll be returning it.

ButchW,

I am currently using a DVI-HDMI cable (not an adapter), this works fine on my Sharp LCD, however, I am not able to get 1080i anymore, only 480P and 720P. Since my LCD is 720P native, I am not concerned. The 1080i was available if I used the DVI-DVI connection, but the picture was skewed to the left of the screen cutting off a large portion of the picture.

The DVI to HDMI cable or adapter should work fine. It's the HDMI to DVI that can sometimes cause problems.

so noone knows what chips are used for up-scaling and divx rendering I take it

Originally posted by absolutic
so noone knows what chips are used for up-scaling and divx rendering I take it


i think it was stated earlier that it was mediatek.

Originally posted by Chhuong
i think it was stated earlier that it was mediatek.

Thank you very much

Faroudja/Genesis DCDi FLI2310 is the upscaling and deinterlacer and Mediatek is the MPEG2 decoder and DivX decoder.

am i the only one that can't access the initial setup menu?? the menu on the far right, the one with the parental lock and other stuff?? also i think i have a defective unit, because mine will go into 1080i but the whole picture scrolls up slowly. anyone else got issues like mine?? also any deep black borders have a red blurry shadow, that makes me feel like i'm going blind or something. very distracting, i know it's from the dvd player because i can see it from the yellow bars when adjusting sharpness or brightness through the dvd player.

Originally posted by Huey
Faroudja/Genesis DCDi FLI2310 is the upscaling and deinterlacer and Mediatek is the MPEG2 decoder and DivX decoder.


thanks Huey, I don't have any players with Mediatek, I have Liteon with Sigma, and Philips with ESS Vibrato II, I wonder how this one with Mediatek compares to the other ones

Chhuong,

I don't have the problems you describe. If you bought from extremephono e-mail Casey with your question. I e-mailed him once with a question on my Momitsu on a Sat morning and he got back to me early that afternoon. I'm not saying he does that all the time, but he is serious about customer service and knows the products he sells.

i have emailed casey and i think i got a defective unit!! which sucks because now i have to go through the hassle of sending it back.

Is the Faroudja chip still being used for deinterlacing and scaling xvid/divx sources? What is the maximum resolution support for xvid/divx files? I was wondering if one can recompress a high definition .ts file into an xvid/divx file while maintaining the resolution and play them on the Oppo.

This Oppo player looks promising for my setup once the firmware to fix the 4:3 stretching is released...

I'm about to return a Denon 1910 because of the macroblocking and 4:3 stretching problems it has. I was hoping to replace my aging Bravo D1 soon... but the Denon (and the Zenith 318 I tried out last year) were both big disappointments. I have a Samsung 46" DLP and have been running a Bravo D1 every day for about 20 months now. It has been a good unit for me, but I understand many have had reliability problems with theirs.

I think I will wait until the firmware update for the Oppo is tested by some of you early buyers to be sure on the 4:3 pillarbox and non-anamorphic widescreen 4:3 zoom capability before I take the plunge...

Chhuong,

Enter stop twice before you enter the setup menu and you will see the initial menu. If the Oppo is saving information to resume DVD playback, it does not show the initial menu. The same thing happened to me last night ;)

i've tried that it didnt' work for me, also i've tried after unplugging it with no dvd in it and waiting 5 min and plugging it back in still no access.

Originally posted by Chhuong
i've tried that it didnt' work for me, also i've tried after unplugging it with no dvd in it and waiting 5 min and plugging it back in still no access.


Bad remote maybe? Seems you are the first to report this problem.



S.Anderson

Can anyone confirm this player plays VCD's and SVCD's as well?

Originally posted by Rieper
Bad remote maybe? Seems you are the first to report this problem.
That could be a possibility. If you have a non-SLR digital camera or camera phone you can verify that the remote works by pressing a button (or the button in question) from the remote while looking at the remote's IR sensor (correct terminology?) through the camera's realtime preview. The remote's not functioning or at least some of the buttons aren't if you cannot see a red or white light coming from the remote's sensor.

But once the setup menu is up, you only use the left or right arrows to cycle through the menus and the initial setup menu is one of them. The remote is not likely the cause unless Chchung cannot even see the setup menu?

rich4av you are right the setup menu i can get to, the initial setup the one on the far right i cannot get too. i've talked with casey and he feels i have gotten a defective unit, which i am sending back. thanks for the help though guys.

Dazog

Yes, I tested a VCD out of Hong Kong. Worked, though I found that going into my Benq 8700 choosing the wrong aspect ratio and I get a white edge on the top of the image. So, a perfect image is potentially display dependent.

Originally posted by isamudaison
Do you mean there's image tearing? (i.e. it looks as if the image is being broken down into sections and the top part is not updating as fast as the bottom or vicaverca)

Watching Startrek IV The Voyage Home this seemed to happen randomly and only about half a dozen times during the whole film. Never noticed this before, so it may have been there but prior DVD players may not have shown it so well or the combination of the Oppo and Benq 8700 reveal it -- and my prior Sony ES999 in combo with my now defunct Dwin HD-700 did not.

Any idea what may cause this "tearing"?

A question about pixel cropping. I've been doing a run through with the avia calibration disk on both the 2910 and the oppo. Im getting some pretty heavy pixel cropage on both.

On the 2910 I'm losing about 10 pixels on both the top and bottom each. And about 17 pixels lost on both the left and right.

On the Oppo, I'm losing about 11 pixels on both the top and bottom each. And about 25 pixels lost on both the left and right. It seems to me that a 50 pixel loss is quite a bit. It's also distorting the image compared to the 2910 since it's making the image 35 pixels wider.

Is all this normal? I guess there isn't mush I can do since my tv doesn't have a hor or vert squeeze option.

Also: In the oppo menu I set my display Wide TV but I noticed that switching through Normal/LB and Normal/PS changed nothing. Is this because I'm using DVI?

Try another TV. It might help.

Never mind. Somehow I hadn't noticed that the Oppo was not set to 720 anymore. Setting the correct aspect makes a world of difference. :p

Extremephono,

Any news on the pending firmware release?

Here's what I've gathered needs fixing (so far)...

1)Fix 4:3 image stretch
2)Remember DVI-out setting (480/720/1080)
3)When you press the off button the tray should slide back in automatically
4)Anything else I'm missing?



S.Anderson

Yes, DVD-Audio!

Originally posted by Rieper

4)Anything else I'm missing?

S.Anderson

Fine zoom adjustment?

I think we should start a Firmware Fix list for the Oppo in a new thread so they can email the link to the engineers to read 1 post with all the issues.

Originally posted by Rieper
Extremephono,

Any news on the pending firmware release?

Here's what I've gathered needs fixing (so far)...

1)Fix 4:3 image stretch
2)Remember DVI-out setting (480/720/1080)
3)When you press the off button the tray should slide back in automatically
4)Anything else I'm missing?


Here are a few more I found testing PAL playback:

4. In PAL TV mode, 720p and 1080i should be at 50Hz (not 60Hz)
5. In PAL TV mode: Reds show with a left outline of green (for example, red letters have a green outline on the left side - pretty obvious on people's faces as well.)
6. In PAL TV mode - sometimes white areas show white or green "dashes" that dance around the area.

Overall, it does a great job!

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493616

here we can post all the firmware fixes we want in here maybe Oppo will notice it more in 1 spot ;)

Originally posted by Dazog
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493616

here we can post all the firmware fixes we want in here maybe Oppo will notice it more in 1 spot ;)

Thank you. Excellent idea!


S.Anderson

This might be a tough question to answer.

I have a Zenith dvb318 and on my Hitachi CRT RPTV I get white blobs at the top that are very noticeable in dark scenes and if you look for them you can see them all the time. Apparently I'm not the only one who has had this problem (see Zenith dvb318 threads), and none of the fixes work (such as unplugging the unit for a while).

Do you think this Oppo player will have the same problem? The Zenith exhibits the problem on every resolution setting over component. I couldnt test the Zenith with DVI because the HDMI connection on my TV was causing the Zenith to lock up, another problem I would hope the Oppo doesn't have.

The reason I worry it could give me the same problem(s) is that they both use Faroudja FLI2310. Not sure if that even matters, I'm just assuming it might.

Thanks for any ideas/opinions!

I removed the contents of this post because it contained too much information that was no longer accurate and could potentially confuse or misinform people.

Good feedback, Vince. I did not check the component outputs yet.

I checked pixel cropping on my HT1000 pj: Left = 0, Top = 1, Right = 5, and bottom =0.

On the Pany S97, I can get 0 on all sides. The Oppo is not bad but does clip more on the right.

Using the pj's calibrated settings for the Pany S97 HDMI-DVI connections, the Oppo shows all colors pushed 20-25% by default. I understand that I need to recalibrate my pj but is the Oppo over-saturating the colors on the DVI output? Is this a problem or not?

My Panasonic S97 cut off a signifigant amount of pixels on the left side of the screen on my Hitachi CRT RPTV and I noticed this was mentioned in it's thread a few times. How is yours not?

Ok, now I'm curious. First, in comment to VideoInSF's post, I'm running the Oppo DVI to a Runco fp and have yet to see scrolling or macroblocking either on retail disks or disks I have backed up.

But my question is if the Oppo has a satruated output and the display should be adjusted for this, how does this effect other sources and inputs? I readjusted my pj with THX Optomizer and am pleased with the PQ. If I use Avia on DVI, I understand that. But how would I adjust component, which I use with my HD Tivo, with Avia and the Oppo if the Oppo output is saturated not neutral?

VideoInSF's report is different from mine:

1. I cannot get 480p via component only 480i.
2. The sharpness control doesn't seem to do anything.

If the color was adjusted for "blue" via DVE then there will be a red push as the primary colors do not match at 480i. I adjusted color for the red level, as that seemed to satisfy the green level as well. Doing so resulted in a slight "blue depression".

I do agree that the Oppo's colors are very "hot", most likely resulting in a recalibration of the display for color. Of course, every source input will need calibration to the device -- it just seems the Oppo needs more adjustment for color (and brightness via DVI) than most devices I've connected to the display.

Paul

Hello,

I've posted component (480i) findings to the Oppo "brain dump" along with a few other items that can be found at the end of the operation and picture reviews.

Paul

Hi Paul,

Just read your post.

1. I cannot get 480p via component only 480i.

In actuality, I don't know if I'm using 480i or 480p on the component out. I assumed that it was 480p because the picture looked so good. I've gone through the manual and remote contorl and there is nothing that allows you to change the component out resolution. Unfortunately, my tv does not display the incoming signal. Can anyone figure out how to do this?

2. The sharpness control doesn't seem to do anything.

All three controls, sharpness, brightness and contrast work for me. The contrast seems to add a little noise if pushed too high.

3. If the color was adjusted for "blue" via DVE then there will be a red push as the primary colors do not match at 480i. I adjusted color for the red level, as that seemed to satisfy the green level as well. Doing so resulted in a slight "blue depression".

My finding are the same as yours. My tv already has a red push so I might have to go into the TV's service menu (somethings I've never done) to figure out how to lower it.

Hi, Vince:

Just curouse, how do you get the 480p out of the component.

Thanks
Jing

Great post VideoInSF's:

I also have a Rear Projection CRT (KDP-51WS550), I have to admit it didn't make me want to rush out and guy this player (probably a good thing). Hopefully some fireware patches will change my mind.

In my previous post I assumed that I was using 480p on the component out.

It could very well be 480i since my TV has no way of indicating which resolution it is accepting and the OPPO does not display the resolution when using the component out.

My TV (Toshiba 57H83) has a very good built-in deinterlacer, so that probably factors into the quality of the picture. I did notice some deinterlacing problems, so I'm now inclined to think the OPPO was using 480i instead.

I am about to go my parents house to pick it up and all I have to say is that it better support 480p over component after both websites claimed it did.

Originally posted by JonMarsh
I received mine today, sent FedEx Ground, it isn't double boxed, but the standard box has pretty good packing blocks, including one in the middle at the front panel.
FYI - Just received mine viw FedEx Ground, and it did come double boxed.

Don't know what to say Northru22. I looked through the manual and even did some button pressing thinking it might switch over. Maybe I've just missed it and it's buried in the menus (not like the menus are like the 'S97). I'll certainly look again tonight but I didn't find any way for 480p via component this last weekend

Paul

I've asked this question a couple of times in a few threads and haven't gotten an answer. I'm definitely intrigued by this player and if someone could help me out with any info on this I would be most appreciative.

I see that it played a region 6 dvd and I know that it does PAL to NTSC fine.

How is the region free ability handled? Is there a menu where you can select the region so that the RCE discs will play fine? Or is the player just a region 0 (all) player that will potentially have problems with RCE discs?

I have not seen a region menu for the Oppo player.

Paul

KJ43,

I just put in a region 2 Ulzana's Raid and it started playing just as if it was a region 1.

The component output appears to be 480i. I do not know if there's a setting for 480p (this would be a FIX request in the other thread if it is not there).

Paul - in component and DVI mode, the resolution menus show excessive artifacts compared to the S97 (as you noted in your thread), especially the moving plate ones. Are those showing a cadence problem? Should we ask Oppo to provide a manual firm/video setting in case automatic mode does not work well? I do not know how to interpret the cadence information.

I bought this player to use with my component switcher. I have the website quoted earlier in this thread that you can do 480p and 576p over component. This would be more than a fix request this would be a fix demand. Verified, it won't do 480p over component. I am furious. This is so disappointing I thought this was the player to have. The DVI cable won't even reach all the way to the player.

Okay now I'm getting major combing issues on the Matrix. Look at the guy's ear at 9:30. It looks all pixelated and so does the edge of Neo's face and a lot of other things! I also noticed them with Return of the King. What is going on? I been waiting all week to watch this new transfer of the Matrix on my brand new player and I can't even get by 11 minutes!

Originally posted by nothru22
I bought this player to use with my component switcher. I have the website quoted earlier in this thread that you can do 480p and 576p over component. This would be more than a fix request this would be a fix demand. Verified, it won't do 480p over component. I am furious. This is so disappointing I thought this was the player to have. The DVI cable won't even reach all the way to the player.

Last time I checked, don't most players do 480P over component? I thought that was what component was used for on most players, including inexpensive. That is a huge oversight, if this is indeed the case and should be fixed asap. I think the firmware better come fast and should fix most of what is addressed in this thread and the bug thread or I feel the interest will be lost quick on this player.

I just watched the beginning of Prizoner of Azkaban and there they were. They are not like the combing errors I saw on Monsters Inc but more like any diagnol lines shimmer when the camera pans. Kind of like what happens when someone wears a patterned shirt and you watch it on SDTV.

I just tested a bunch of media files. It seems to play avis that I'm pretty sure aren't divx, so that's good, even though the quality is awful. Divx 5.1 files are suprisingly good quality. Another thing, it claims to play mpeg4 files but it doesn't. I guess maybe they meant divx variant mpeg4 files but once again the website is pretty misleading with the mpeg/divx/xvid support.

Thanks for replying. I've already seen reports that the player will play other regions discs.

That leads me to believe it may be set up to be region 0 out of the box.

But has anyone tried to play an RCE disc yet?

Originally posted by wensteph
KJ43,

I just put in a region 2 Ulzana's Raid and it started playing just as if it was a region 1.

On I Robot, there is a fly-over scene of the city and the vertical lines in certain buildings shimmer.

On the zone plate patterns of Avia, there's a lot of artifacts that do not show on the Pany S97 and the Bravo D1. I do not know how to read all the parts of that pattern - maybe someone else can. I think that the player does not correctly do the cadence (3:2), which could result in shimmering of vertical lines.

nothru22, just for kicks, see if the problem reproduces if you change TV type from Auto to NTSC or even to PAL.

I justr read this entire thread. This is like a roller coaster ride. Some really good stuiff as well as bad. I was considering the HD941 because it did SACD, but it also seems to have a lot of issues. Is this the world of upconverting DVD palyers under $300?

Auto looked the same, PAL caused interlace error city.

nothru, from the amount of problems your having, I think your units broken. I've been having excellent quality with both component and DVI out, with only the redness on the component bothering me.

I don't think this player is capable of displaying 480i, It displays 480p by default methinks.

My TV has an info button that tells you what the input is coming in at. It's 480i. Looking through the manual and on the original oppodigital website, it appears as if you can't do 480p over component. Do you have the new Matrix box set?

Just checking in. Somehow, there seems to be a major disagreement about the output resolution on the component out. I can't tell, but the picture seems to be so good on my set that it's hard to believe that it could be 480i. I AB'ed the DVI output at 480p and 720p on my TV and the DVI quality doesn't come close to the component quality. It could be that the DVI implementation on my TV may not be good, although on the Momitsu 880 the DVI and component quality seemed almost identical. I'm not sure what to think, but the reality in my situation is that the component out easily surpasses the quality of the DVI out. I'm seeing such a sharp image on the component out that it is easily preferable to the component out of the Zenith DVB318 at 1080i. If anyone has a rear project Toshiba CRT, maybe you can verify what I am finding. I hate to be the only one here who is having an extremely positive experience with the OPPO.

Originally posted by VideoInSF
Just checking in. Somehow, there seems to be a major disagreement about the output resolution on the component out. I can't tell, but the picture seems to be so good on my set that it's hard to believe that it could be 480i. I AB'ed the DVI output at 480p and 720p on my TV and the DVI quality doesn't come close to the component quality. It could be that the DVI implementation on my TV may not be good, although on the Momitsu 880 the DVI and component quality seemed almost identical. I'm not sure what to think, but the reality in my situation is that the component out easily surpasses the quality of the DVI out. I'm seeing such a sharp image on the component out that it is easily preferable to the component out of the Zenith DVB318 at 1080i. If anyone has a rear project Toshiba CRT, maybe you can verify what I am finding. I hate to be the only one here who is having an extremely positive experience with the OPPO.

If component has superior PQ to DVI, wouldn't it seem there is an issue with the DVI output? 720i and 1080i should look better than 480p or 480i, no?
I read this whole thread and due to issues such as this, I'm going to spend a bit more coin and go for the Sony upconverting DVD player. My biggest issue was this unit passing BTB and macro blocking, it seems the Sony has no macro blocking at least.

VideoinSF,

If the TV has a good built in deinterlacer and scaler then 480i will look good. Some viewers prefer to use 480i. 480i does not equate to bad -- that's how DVD's are mastered anyway.

Paul

Originally posted by lexa695
Is this the world of upconverting DVD palyers under $300?

Absolutely... IMO anyhow.

Like they say, "you get what you pay for." Or is it "too good to be true??" :confused: :D

Has anyone compared this against the Panasonic S97? I'm definitely interested in this player, but with the S77 coming out in April (they say) at $249, I'd rather get the Panasonic (since with shipping and a DVI->HDMI adapter, the price difference will be minimal) and reports seem to indicate the S77 will be the same as the S97.

Originally posted by lexa695
I justr read this entire thread. This is like a roller coaster ride. Some really good stuiff as well as bad. I was considering the HD941 because it did SACD, but it also seems to have a lot of issues. Is this the world of upconverting DVD palyers under $300?

Yes and to a lesser extent, the world of greater than $300 players. I am living with one of the inexpensive players but if cost wasn't a consideration, the much more expensive players such as the Pioneer 59avi or Denon DVD-3910 are reputedly far better for DVD Video.

Chris

Add me to the satisfied. Great PQ w/ my Sammy 5674. No MB (that I can see), no lip synch issues, no flashes. With the firmware fix, it should be perfect,.......for me that is.

Is there anything that will give me the picture of the Panasonic S97 over component and play PAL too???

I just received my Oppo today.

Paired, just like Hi Deaf, with a Samsung HL-P5674W.

Picture is really great ootb with minor tweaks. Later today or maybe tomorrow, I'll use DVE. Tonight is my 8 year old's birthday!!

Will report back ASAP!!

Can anyone else confirm the combing I see on the new matrix transfer at 9:30?

Are you using component or DVI?

DVI, at 480p, 720p, and 1080i. I see it on other movies but this is a great example of it happening on the side of Neo's face and on the dude's ear. It's horrible. It's like watching the movie through a screen.

Originally posted by nothru22
DVI, at 480p, 720p, and 1080i. I see it on other movies but this is a great example of it happening on the side of Neo's face and on the dude's ear. It's horrible. It's like watching the movie through a screen.

What other movies show this combing for you (besides the new matrix transfer)? I might be able to verify this as well. Finding Nemo maybe?

S.Anderson

Okay, maybe it's time to disregard most of the stuff I've said. The player still won't do 480p over component and still won't play mpeg4 files. Earlier I noticed my picture was really wavy. It's not always easy to see but if there are white letters on the screen they wobble like mad. This could be the cause of those combing errors (I hope) which would mean I have a bum unit. Normally I don't buy the bum unit argument so I took it over my parents house and hooked it up to their Sony and boom, wavy lines everywhere. I don't know if I want to keep this unit because of the component issue but I'd like to see one work properly on my TV! I really hope the combing issues are caused by a defect. I noticed the combing error at the beginning of Prizoner of Azkaban as well, in the picture frame at about 2 minutes (I'm guessing) and in the curtains behind the mean aunt the first time you see her.

Originally posted by nothru22
Earlier I noticed my picture was really wavy. It's not always easy to see but if there are white letters on the screen they wobble like mad. This could be the cause of those combing errors (I hope) which would mean I have a bum unit.

I think you may have a bum unit. One of the things that impresses me about my 971 is how rock steady white lettering is, even when the picture is moving rapidly behind the lettering.

DrJ do you have it hooked up over DVI? Because it seems like Rich4AV is having the same problem. On the firmware fix thread he says "Tested with DVI: 720p/1080i (540p). On I Robot, there is a city flyover scene and sky-scrapers. The Oppo produces a lot of vertical line shimeering. The S97 produces fewer artifacts on the same buildings."

I also notice a lot of vertical line shimmering from my oppo. Usually when there are vertical thin lines on movies. I never see this artifact on my Bravo D1. Here is another scene to test this: LOTR ROTK extended edition chapter 2 at 06:35. On this scene with Frodo and Sam, I see vertical line shimmering to the trees in the background. I have my oppo connect via DVI at 720p/1080i to a Samsung DLP HLN567W.
BTW, what is a bum unit? Does anybody else has this problem with their oppo? Is this something that can be corrected with a firmware upgrade?

Yes, I am hooked up via DVI to my Hitachi 65" rptv. This may be one of those items that is display dependent. I generally watch at 720p, or occasionally at 1080i. I did notice one slight shimmer, or dot crawl, on one movie at 480p that looked a bit like combing (Dirty Dancing opening scene where the scene pans across the vista of the resort, the edges of the roof of the building shimmered). This happened only once and could have also been something in the digital transfer on this particular title. Certainly nothing worth making a lot of noise over.

Everything else to date has been excellent. I must admit that I have only watched about 15 different titles so far on the Oppo, so down the road I may be able to find one or two or more instances of this occurring as I go through my 200 disk collection.

Is anyone using this player with a Sony VPL-HS10/HS20? My Bravo D1 bit the dust last night and I'm scrambling to get a player. Someone recomended this one but it seems like there may be some interface compatibility problems (or am I misreading the thread)?

I don't know, RanmA, it seems as if I'm being ignored by ExtremePhono. I am very mad right now. I sent them an email asking them to work with me on this problem and that possibly I have a bad unit (bum unit) and wanted it replaced, and he responded that I can just return it. He blamed the shimmering on my TV possibly only having PC DVI, when both TVs I tested it on have the most recent DVI with HDCP port on them. He has not responded to my email in two days.

Originally posted by yarrumc
Last time I checked, don't most players do 480P over component? I thought that was what component was used for on most players, including inexpensive. That is a huge oversight, if this is indeed the case and should be fixed asap. I think the firmware better come fast and should fix most of what is addressed in this thread and the bug thread or I feel the interest will be lost quick on this player.
Just my 2 cents worth, but it seems that some are going a bit overboard in the virulence of their demands. I mean, this is a player that has been on the street for less than 30 days. The manufacturer has expressed a very high willingness to solve the issues related in this (and the other) threads. They have stated that a firmware upgrade should be available in a short time. I say, give them a chance. Overall, this seems to be a pretty good player. It has a great picture on my Sony XBR, over both component and DVI. Many others have reported good results on their setup as well. The build of the unit itself is quite good. Every new product has a few bugs. If it is generally a good product, the true test is how quickly the manufacturer responds to those issues found in the field. So far, OppoDigital has sounded like they have every intention to get things right.

Again, before trashing the unit, I think that we should give them a chance.

The Oppo is a worthy replacement for the D1. I have 2 dead D1s sitting in my garage. The Oppo is a great unit for it's price. I'm currently testing it against the Marantz DV9500 ($1600 street) and I can tell you that I would be hard pressed to find much difference between the 2 in terms of PQ, each has it's minor flaws, the Marantz's issues, I believe, are mostly the result of noise generated by the HDMI to DVI adapter that I must use. I certainly can't find $1400 difference between the units, even considering the expanded audio capabilities of the Marantz.

The interface problems you mentioned are probably few and far between. Depending on what source you get your Oppo through (I got mine from extremephono) they should have a return policy that is long enough for you to evaluate the unit for suitability.

Yep, we're barely into this product and some issues have been found. The issues have been reported -- let's see how it goes.

Paul

I dont suppose anyone has shots of the UI do they? Am I asking too much. Someone directed me to this thread when my bravo took a big dump and I dont know much of the back story on this player. I thought the UI on the Bravo was poor. For example, no total time remaining on the disk... what genius decided to leave that out? Does this player support basic UI functions and OSD that you would expect from a DVD player?

I'm sorry if I seem demanding, at this point, I actually have skimmed most of this thread. Am I missing some other thread somewhere else where there is a basic writeup of the DVD player like you might find in a HT mag.... you know, real high-level? Oh, and I dont suppose it has discrete remote codes...?

Page 6 or 7 of this thread contains pictures of the UI. I hope everyone understands that there will be no firmware to fix 480p over component. The faroudja chip is on the DVI board. And how can anyone stand the combing errors? They make nearly every movie unwatchable.

Originally posted by nothru22
Page 6 or 7 of this thread contains pictures of the UI. I hope everyone understands that there will be no firmware to fix 480p over component. The faroudja chip is on the DVI board. And how can anyone stand the combing errors? They make nearly every movie unwatchable.

Are they swapping out the broken one? I'd be very interested in this unit if it wasn't for all the trouble you're having.

Well, I just ordered one. I'll let you know what I think. I have a Sony VPL-HS10 and the DVD player will be replacing a dead Bravo D1. I wont be able to do a head-to-head because the Bravo is totally dead.

Nothru22,

What combing errors are you talking about. What are combing errors?

Everyone else who has tried this player seemss to think the picture is good/great.

What type of display are you using?

I will be using a BenQ PE-8700+ (DLP)
Will I see combing errors also?

nothru22,

Maybe everyone isn't getting combing errors. I haven't seen combing problems with region 1 film-based commercial DVDs. I have a few music DVDs that might show something if there's a problem -- I'll give them a try.

Paul

He did not offer to swap it out, even though I expressed interest in doing so. He only offered a refund (which is better than most online retailers.) I keep calling it combing, but it's more like mini-combing, some people have called it shimmering. I've noticed it on all commercial DVDs on my Hitachi and my parents Sony. It's kind of like fine lines blending together and making a superline. That is why I like the ear example on the Matrix. On my old DVD player the ear is sharp and the lines are seperate, on the Oppo they combine together to make a big mess.

If it seems like I'm bashing this player, I'm not. I desperately want this to be the player I end up sticking with, even if it doesn't do 480p over component. I want an answer as to whether the issues I'm having are caused by a defect or something that can be fixed over firmware before I proceed.

nothru22,

If this situation is making you nervous, just return it for credit while you can and read the Oppo threads. If the problems are eventually resolved, then you can buy it at that point.

Firmware fixes will take time and patience ;)

Paul,

I see extra artifacts on my NEC HT1000 projector. I can see them on the Oppo but not on the S97 (if that is a fair comparison). The Avia resolution chart for the Oppo also shows the vertical resolution lines "breaking up" (zig-zags) vs. the S97.

OK Rich. I'll have a look.

Paul

The oppodigital website states that this player has DVI-I output. Actually it's a DVI-D connector (which is correctly identified on the extremephono website).

Rich4av,

What Avia screen are you seeing vertical breaking up? This is the Avia sharpness screen and I am not seeing your zig-zag. My camera is adding some moire on the lower right hand pattern which is not viewable on the screen.

GOOD EXPERIENCES WITH OPPO SO FAR...

I have two problems with my unit:

1. I can't get access to the Initial Setup menu
2. No analog output from the sub-woofer connector. All the other channels work - just no sub-woofer. Doesn't matter what audio mode I'm in...

After an initial delay in response, I'm pleased to say that Oppo digital are cross-shipping a replacement for my defective unit. So I've changed this post to reflect the positive overall response from Oppo's technical support.

Try to access the initial setup menu when there is no disc in the unit. Guess your support email gets printed out somewhere far away and snail mailed to them. :D :D :D :D

I emailed support@oppodigital.com this morning and this is the response I got.

Thanks for bringing this to our attention and very sorry for what you had to go through.

We are working with the factory to validate the 1080i specs implementation on the Oppo 971H. Please give us some time to work out this issue. We are working on a firmware fix release. Oppo is fully committed to quality and customer satisfaction.

Please stand by.

Sincerely,

Service
Oppo Digital, Inc.
Electronics for the state-of-the-art shopper.

Hey Nothru22,

Have you tested the subwoofer analog out? Just curious if this was a problem only with my unit or if they actually have a firmware problem with it...

Originally posted by wensteph
Rich4av,

What Avia screen are you seeing vertical breaking up? This is the Avia sharpness screen and I am not seeing your zig-zag. My camera is adding some moire on the lower right hand pattern which is not viewable on the screen.

wensteph,

it's on the resolution patterns. Look at the bunch of vertical resolution measuring lines on the right. I can post a picture after I get home if needed.

No Damien, I have not.

Analog subwoofer out is disabled by default. Try enabling it in the speaker menu :P

Originally posted by Stimby
Analog subwoofer out is disabled by default. Try enabling it in the speaker menu :P

Nope - doesn't work for me. I've toggled and toggled that menu button, but no sound :mad:

Odd, my analog out works fine.

Does anyone know what version of Xvid is supported by the Oppo? The current version on the internet is 1.0.3, but there is already a beta 1.1 released a few days ago.

Thanks.


S.Anderson

Thanks for all the input here, I've just placed an order for the player on extreme, how long does it usually take to ship and receive?

They usually ship quickly by UPS, but they are West coast and you're East so yours will spend some time on a truck. They'll e-mail you a tracking number.

The Cambridge Audio DVD 79 is based on the same platform as the Oppo, but has DVD-A. $300. Whether CA debugged the platform remains to be seen. I'm getting one Weds.

Originally posted by Robert Whitehead
The Cambridge Audio DVD 79 is based on the same platform as the Oppo, but has DVD-A. $300. Whether CA debugged the platform remains to be seen. I'm getting one Weds.

Thanks for the info Robert.

Does the CA DVD 79 output 480p over component? If its based on the same platform as the OPPO can we assume it wont be able to either?


S.Anderson

Anyone found universal remote codes for the DV971h? I was hoping someone had already gone through the drudge work so I could just punch them in...

Originally posted by exlondoner
Thanks for all the input here, I've just placed an order for the player on extreme, how long does it usually take to ship and receive?

I ordered mine on Thursday night and extremephono shipped it on Friday, IIRC. It was quick and I got a tracking number in my email. I was very pleased with how smooth and quickly the transaction went. It arrived via FedEx ground, double-boxed.

-Max

Reiper-

From Norwegian and Swedish translations, the DVD79 does not pass 480p over component. It does have DVD-A and decodes DTS. The Winship971, which is essentially the Oppo, does not decode DTS, but does decode DD. It does not have DVD-A.

I'll be getting the DVD79 tomorrow and will report, esp. on 480p/component.

Bob

Originally posted by Damian Allen
Anyone found universal remote codes for the DV971h? I was hoping someone had already gone through the drudge work so I could just punch them in...

Here's my .mxd file from my MX-850.

How can I open your .mxd file?


SCY

Cambridge Audio DV79=Oppo w/DVD-A

No 480p on comp. No DTS decoder. Doesn't remember DVI res setting. 1080i pic. extended to left. Could only get 2.0 out of coax out. Itgoing bye bye.

Wow Bob,

That was fast!

Paul

Bob,

May I recommend a Marantz DV9500. I does all you are seeking and has better sounding analog audio to boot. All this for a mere $2099 MSRP. I guess it's the old story, you get what you pay for. ( if you're luckey)

Originally posted by scying
How can I open your .mxd file?


SCY

You have to have a Home Theater Master remote 700/800/850

their software will open the file.

Just got it today. I connected it to my Panasonic TH-42PD25U/P plasma thru both component and DVI to HDMI cable. One thing I notice right away is the PQ with DVI is worse than component. Especially dark secenes. The image with component is smoothly black but there are a lot of noise with DVI. Is this normal?

Originally posted by stephenju
Just got it today. I connected it to my Panasonic TH-42PD25U/P plasma thru both component and DVI to HDMI cable. One thing I notice right away is the PQ with DVI is worse than component. Especially dark secenes. The image with component is smoothly black but there are a lot of noise with DVI. Is this normal?

No, DVI should be as good as or better than component in dark scenes. Is your monitor calibrated for both inputs? If it is, the Oppo DV971H likely has problems. From reading this, there are several issues with this player. It is so often that something that sounds so great doesn't live up to the hype. Still, if the issues are correctable by firmware updates, it could be a great player.

Chris

Dear Oppo owners,

I plan to purchase BBK DV985S - this is clone of Oppo DV971H for Russia.
Questions are:
1. Does it play DiX HD content?
2. What can you say about stereo sound quality? Is it good for music?
3. Does it play mp3 on DVD-R?

Thank you in advance,
Sergey.

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
No, DVI should be as good as or better than component in dark scenes. Is your monitor calibrated for both inputs? If it is, the Oppo DV971H likely has problems. From reading this, there are several issues with this player. It is so often that something that sounds so great doesn't live up to the hype. Still, if the issues are correctable by firmware updates, it could be a great player.

Chris

The TV is new and both component and HDMI inputs are still in factory defaults.

Can it be cable issue? I am using a 3-ft DVI to HDMI cable from RAM (DVI2HDMI-3). Is it good enough?

I also find (before giving in to the sleeping bug) that I can adjust the brightness on OPPO to get smooth black. Will do more test tonight.

I am interested in this model, but I keep hearing about firmware updates to fix this and that. Have there been firmware updates, and where do you find them at?

Originally posted by Bruno1453
I am interested in this model, but I keep hearing about firmware updates to fix this and that. Have there been firmware updates, and where do you find them at?

No firmware updates yet. There have been some indications that Oppo is accepting the information regarding the issues and will release firmware updates sometime in the future. This of course is not an guarantee that anything will ever happen, much less happen soon.

Chris

Originally posted by stephenju
The TV is new and both component and HDMI inputs are still in factory defaults.

Can it be cable issue? I am using a 3-ft DVI to HDMI cable from RAM (DVI2HDMI-3). Is it good enough?

I also find (before giving in to the sleeping bug) that I can adjust the brightness on OPPO to get smooth black. Will do more test tonight.

The cable is almost certainly fine. Unfortunately almost all monitors are delivered with less than optimal settings for acceptable picture quality. A calibration DVD like Avia or Digital Video Essentials might be very helpful if you don't want to have a professional calibration.

Chris

Hi all. My oppo came today. Quick question after not finding it in the thread. What DVI mode/resolution does the player start up in? If you turn it off and then turn it back on, what does it default to?

Originally posted by Charles J P
Hi all. My oppo came today. Quick question after not finding it in the thread. What DVI mode/resolution does the player start up in? If you turn it off and then turn it back on, what does it default to?

Mine comes up at 480p in both instances.

Charles,

The default DVI is 480p.

Paul

Thanks guys. So one button push is 720p then? I really hope any future firmware fix includes both remembering the last setting and being able to display it on the screen.

Hello Oppo owners

While testing the the Oppo at 720p, I noticed pretty severe ringing/edge enhancement (highlighting) on the Avia calibration DVD. Can anyone confirm this?

Any patterns that have a gray background, show highlighting around the lines and text. Some examples are; the Static Zone Plate, the Overscan, and the Widescreen Enhanced Resolution patterns.

I have a fully calibrated Samsung DLP, with gamma set to 0, sharpness to 0, NR to OFF, DNIe to OFF, Film Mode to ON, but nothing helps.

I'd like to know if its the TV or the player. If it is the player, we need to add this problem to the list of firmware fixes.

Gary

Perhaps you are seeing what we are calling shimmering.

No, I can see the shimmering or flickering in other material. This is a different issue - a feint, steady edge enhancement.

Gary

How about layer change on this unit?

Bruno,

quick/seamless/instant

Take your pick.

Wouldn't a simple way to find out if the macroblocking and the shimmering "problems" are an issue with the dvd player or rather cases of poor mpeg-2 compression would be to try the player with a "superbit" version of a dvd?

Shawn

The shimmering does not happen using the same DVD on the Panasonic S97. It has nothing to do with the DVD being superbit or not.

Fine.... what about the macroblocking and mpeg-2 compression. Would superbit help make a determiniation there?

Shawn

I just got my oppo in tuesday, very fast shipping via priority mail from oppo digital. I must say that this is one of the best dvd players I have ever owned. I have bought (so far) two Samsung HD841s and the LG418, with both having a $hitload of problems.

I have a panasonic projector A500u and I have been having a "problem" with the screendoor effect with both of the aforementioned players. The oppo player reduced the screendoor effect dramatically; it looks like film.
Let me make it clear that the SD effect is because of the projector pulling an 11 foot wide image and me only sitting about 10 feet from the screen.

Anyhoo, this is the only player that I have used that did 1080i to my projector without any problems and without any macroblocking. I did notice a very, very, slight "shimmer" on some things like titles, but honestly, if that's the a "dealbreaker" for you, then too bad for you.

One thing that has not been documented, is the ability to play multi-region dvds without having to use a secret menu, or change the region.
I played my R2 Dr. Who dvds without any problems (with the best pal-ntsc conversion- in 1080i) that I have ever seen. I then played Spiderman 2, which I can assume to have RCE on it, with no problems.

Until the XBOX2 comes out (with HD-DVD playback built in) later on this year (hopefully). I can say with almost absolute certainty that the OPPO will be the best player to buy for the money till then.

I saw the shimmer in the background of the new Fifth Element Ultimate Edition Superbit. Shimmer is not caused by poor transfers. I first saw it in the new Matrix transfer, which is sublime. The Xbox 2 is not confirmed to have either blu ray or HD DVD or in fact anything but an IBM processor and ATI graphics.

nothru22,

You ever get your player replaced? You keep posting these problems that no one else seems to have, or at least seem to be atypical.

Dear Oppo owners,

Let me repeat my questions.
1. Does it play DivX HD content?
2. What can you say about stereo sound quality? Is it good for music?
3. Does it play mp3 on DVD-R?

Thank you in advance,
Sergey.

nothru22

Although the XBox2 has not announced support for any "HD" drive system, it is extremely doubtful that they would support their primary competitor's drive system. Also, mass production of Blu-Ray drives would not be possible for the (rumored) XBox 2 release of late fall AND the release of the PS3 next year.

:D

stardust,

I don't know about DivX HD. I'd be happy to try it if you'll tell me what it is and where to download it.

Yes, it plays MP3 on DVD-R. I did a quick burn with Nero to check it and it played the multi-session disk fine. It also played a CD-R MP3 disk. I'm feeding 180 watts to each channel in a THX setup and 315 watts to each of two 12" subs, all Snell, in a 15 x 22 room. Hell yeah, it sounds good. It's how AC/DC was meant to be played. :)

Seriously, I can't comment on a stereo sound quality comparison since I don't listen to music in this room. That's a pretty subjective subject. The Oppo seems to do fine.

Delurking to seek assistance... :)

First off, thanks to everyone - I've absorbed a veritable ton of useful knowledge from everyone's posts!

Okay. I unpacked and hooked up my new Oppo last night, and ran into some strange behavior. I've sent an e-mail to extreme regarding this, and from what I have seen posted anticipate prompt attention, but am curious as to whether anyone has seen this kind of thing before.

Here's what's happening:

I tried two store-bought DVDs in the player (5th Element and Stevie Ray Vaughn Live from Austin, Texas). The most noticeable of these is that it will
simply stop playing a DVD at random intervals - usually less than a couple of minutes, at which time the notation 'Stop' appears in the VFD window display and 'Press play to continue' appears on the TV screen. This behavior is both frequent and consistent.

I have also noticed the following behavior at
different times:

- Nothing appears on the VFD display, and the open/close button on the unit does not function; however, all functionality via the remote remains

- Disc is initially identified as a 'DVD' on the VFD display, but later the 'DVD' is not displayed and only the 'S' of the Super VCD, VCD, CD indicator is
displayed.

- Disc is identified at different times as various formats on the VFD display.

- Portions of the time elapsed numerals not displayed on the VFD display (this is intermittent and inconsistent)

- Playback status indicator (circular display) continues incrementing as disk plays, but some of the 'spokes' are not illuminated as they should be as the
indicator circles past them.

This behavior persists even after I power down and unplug the unit, wait a few minutes, then plug in and power up the unit again. I have observed this behavior while connected to my projector via both component out and single cable video out (not that it seems that should make a difference...).


If anyone has any ideas, I would be very grateful!

Thanks!!

Originally posted by wensteph
I don't know about DivX HD. I'd be happy to try it if you'll tell me what it is and where to download it.
You can download some DivX HD trailers here (http://www.divx.com/movies/trailers.php). Look for those marked with "(HD)".

Originally posted by CRenoud
Delurking to seek assistance...
Sorry to say, but you have a dud! Get it replaced.

Gary

Can anyone tell me if the Oppo can output 576P @ 60Hz frame rate? The reason I am asking is that I own a FP with this native resolution and am looking to bypass the internal scaler/deinterlacer if there is a better source DVD player. I read the specifications on the Faroudja FLI2310 here (http://gnss.com/products/C0702-PBR-03B.PDF) and it seems capable of outputting this resolution over DVI but the literature from Oppo is not clear on this.

Thanks, John

Originally posted by George Montemayor
You can download some DivX HD trailers here (http://www.divx.com/movies/trailers.php). Look for those marked with "(HD)". I tried the divx HD onto a CDR a couple of days ago, but it wouldn't play.

I downloaded one of the trailers, unzipped the file which was in .avi format. Did a data copy on Nero to a DVD. Got audio, but no video on the Oppo. I'll look around tonight on afterdawn.com and doom9.org to see if I needed to do something other than a simple data copy. Right now, I'd have to say the Oppo does not a play a Divx file.

Regular 720x480 divx works great on the Oppo. As does xvid. Mpeg4 and DivxHD do not. I don't think the Oppo can output 576p at 60hz. I think it only outputs it at 50hz (isn't that what PAL is?)

Originally posted by nothru22
Regular 720x480 divx works great on the Oppo. As does xvid. Mpeg4 and DivxHD do not. I don't think the Oppo can output 576p at 60hz. I think it only outputs it at 50hz (isn't that what PAL is?)

That's too bad. The FLI2310 can implement tearless frame rate conversion at 50/60/72/75/100/120 Hz if implemented fully. This would allow for a multitude of custom DVI resolutions including 576P at 60Hz which is the NTSC standard. Can anyone check their units to see if there is a PAL setting for 576P and a corresponding NTSC setting (variable frame rate option)? This option alone would be very desirable for anyone who owns a display (I have a FP) that can resolve the custom frame rates. It would give us many more choices in trying to find the best upscaled DVI resolution.

John

The options are PAL, NTSC, or AUTO (native pass through.) Putting it in PAL makes the screen go all jumpy, suggesting that it's running at 50hz. Leaving it in NTSC allows me to play PAL movies at 480p 60hz.

I have to say that, after using this player for a week or so, I am very pleased. The picture is great! When they fix the few minor "bugs" (as they have said they will in the next few weeks with a firmware update ... ie: 4x3 stretch, keeping the DVI settings after power cycle), it will be the best for me. I am normally a bit nervous about trying something as new as this player, but I am very glad that I did.

I like this player too. I'm hoping they come through with their promised fixes.

I just posted 2 more things to fix - in the Oppo fix list thread.

Gary

Well, I found the first thing that I dont think has been posted here. In english movies where there is foreign dialog that should have subtitles, the subtitles dont show up. I noticed this in Hidalgo. Some of the converstions in Soiux and the conversations in the "kings" tent should have english subs. If you turn the subs on, they stay on even when english is being spoken.

Anyone else notice this?

I noticed that problem watching Star Wars VI, Jabba's dialogue isn't showing up.

Beautiful player though!

wensteph,

Thank you for your reply!
I wonder if Oppo does MP4 audio. I have this kind of files for Apple iPod.

Regards,
Sergey.

So, does this need to go in the firmware thread?

Stardust, the Oppo doesn't do mp4 or mpeg4 at all.

Northru22,

Your posts regarding this player have denigrated from constructive to simply wanting to trash the player at every chance possible especially regarding the mpeg-4 standard.

Let's be clear ...Divx and xvid are forms of compression within the MPEG 4 standard. MPEG 4 is the general format container divx and xvid are the codecs (compressor/decompressor) which happen to be the two most popular forms of compressing and decompressing files into the MPEG 4 standard around today. To say this player does not play any mpeg 4 files is incorrect. I don't know of any player other than a PC that can play every compression format around today so maybe a HTPC is the best choice for you.

That said, I truly hope you find what you are ultimately looking for as far as a dvd player goes.:)

Cheers!!

Shawn

Charles J P,

I tried SW IV. The Jabba subtitles show if you use the subtitle button on the remote. Subtitles do not show for human speech. I don't have a copy of Hidalgo to try.

It's on page 18 of the manual. I came across it trying to figure out how to turn subtitles on from the main menu.

Yeah, but if you just leave it alone when you start up a movie, they wouldnt show up on their own. Having owned a bravo D1 for a year or so this kind of simple functionality stuff is going to be a deal breaker for me. I'd rather have a normal DVD player that does what a DVD player should do without jumping through hoops. What is extreme phono's return policy?

Originally posted by shawn67
Northru22,

Your posts regarding this player have denigrated from constructive to simply wanting to trash the player at every chance possible especially regarding the mpeg-4 standard.

Let's be clear ...Divx and xvid are forms of compression within the MPEG 4 standard. MPEG 4 is the general format container divx and xvid are the codecs (compressor/decompressor) which happen to be the two most popular forms of compressing and decompressing files into the MPEG 4 standard around today. To say this player does not play any mpeg 4 files is incorrect. I don't know of any player other than a PC that can play every compression format around today so maybe a HTPC is the best choice for you.

That said, I truly hope you find what you are ultimately looking for as far as a dvd player goes.:)

Cheers!!

Shawn

Well said. Nothru22 trashed several other inexpensive upscaling players before trying this one. He apparently does expect much more for his $200 than I do and there is nothing wrong with that. A much more expensive player or HTPC are probably the only possibilities to meet his expectations, so your advice is good. I am happy with my Zenith DVB318 and would have probably liked the Oppo DV971H even better if it had been available when I made my purchase.

Chris

I am not trashing this player. I consider .mp4 to be mpeg4 and I think this player shouldn't claim it plays mpeg4/divx/xvid when it only plays divx and xvid (and it plays those quite well.) The person asked if it plays .mp4s and it doesn't. What else can I say? Okay, it does. I'm a liar. Go buy it. And Chris, all I wanted this player to be was the equivalent of the Panasonic S97, which I was thrilled with besides the lack for PAL support. It appeared to be at first glance and it may well be once they update the firmware. In the longrun it looks like I may be going for the S97 with it's new firmware fix and keeping my old HK to play PAL movies.

I'm very interessted in this player in Sweden we have a player from BBk dv971h I think its the same player I have a few questions for ya. Is the audio good quality analog and digital? Is their any reviews of this player? have any1 comparred oppo against any "good brand"? Is the pq comparrable to denon 1910?

Went thru the whole thread lots of good info, Faroujda/Mediatek but I couldn't get a clear handle on if the player will handle non-anamporhic/letterbox dvd's?
Some of my displays won't and need a player that will. :)

Guitarman, right now it will not, but they have said a firmware fix coming soon could possibly.

nothru22:

.mp4 is another codec using the mpeg-4 format container but seeming to focus on 3ivx codec which is used by apple quicktime. I am just curious: what codec was used to compress your mpeg-4 files you attempted to view on the oppo? Thanks

Shawn

i have a 60” Grand WEGA™ LCD Projection HDTV... and i've heard the scaling chip already in the unit doesn't mix well with upconverters... will i run into any problems if i'm using this tv along with this player? thanks !

Not sure, they were .mp4s and when I downloaded the sin city trailer, it said "mpeg4" on the site. It plays in quicktime and a few other media players. The other ones were porn. :D

stinger32,

We have the BBK dv985S model as a Oppo's twin in Russia :-) The street price is 170 USD. http://www.bbk.ru/DV985S.photos.htm
I am also interesting in audio quality and asked about it here. I got the only one answer saying it is OK for AC/DC :-) Will try soon by myself.

Regards,
Sergey.

Well, now I can tell you. I played with device for about couple of hours. Stereo sound is pretty good (Yamaha reciever/ Jamo speakers).
Unfortunately, it does not play MP4 audio as it was mentioned here and I think this should be added to wish list.

Off topic.

Stardust, I'm a Texan transplanted to North Carolina and I miss my Mexican food (Tex Mex to us). I've always found it funny that I found a better Mexican restaurant in Moscow than I have in Charlotte, NC. Go figure.

If you're interested, it's Hola Mexico one street over and behind Detsky Mir.

Off topic,

wensteph, I know this place! You are absolutely right - both the food and the atmosphere are just perfect.

Hello,
I'm new here, but I'm interested to buy this model of Oppo to use DVI out to my Sony KV36HS510 (CRT). I'd like to know any information about this DVD with my Sony TV. Does anyone have tried this scenario before?

My sony document didn't say anything much about DVI-HDTV port.

Thank you.

Does anyone have lip-sync issue with this player? I played several DVDs (Applo 13, Ice Age, Hellboy) all have lip-sync issue where audio is ahead of video for about half second. Stop then play fixed all of them though.

The TV is Panasonic 42PD25U and audio is feed to Sharp AC3 receiver via coaxial. Never had this problem with my free-with-tire-purchase JVC.

Novice, it should work fine, but you may not notice much difference in PQ vs. a decent progressive scan player on your 36" CRT.

Hi Deaf,
So that mean if I use Sony KV36HS510 (on DVI port) with Oppo this model. I wouldn't get the any different from the regular progressive scan DVD Player. Do I understand right?

Originally posted by Novice13
Hi Deaf,
So that mean if I use Sony KV36HS510 (on DVI port) with Oppo this model. I wouldn't get the any different from the regular progressive scan DVD Player. Do I understand right?

I don't like upscaling to a direct view monitor. That doesn't mean you won't. This is all subjective with few or no absolutes. My guess is a good progressive scan player will be as good as or better than the Oppo DV971H for playing DVD Video on a CRT. You are the only one that can tell what you will prefer.

Chris

Originally posted by nothru22
And Chris, all I wanted this player to be was the equivalent of the Panasonic S97, which I was thrilled with besides the lack for PAL support. It appeared to be at first glance and it may well be once they update the firmware. In the longrun it looks like I may be going for the S97 with it's new firmware fix and keeping my old HK to play PAL movies.

I haven't seen the Panasonic S97 but wanting this player which is cheaper and can do so much more than the Panasonic S97 to do everything the Panasonic does as well as the Panasonic in addition to everything it can do that the Panasonic can't do, might be asking for too much. I would say reading your posts, that you are trashing this player and I have seen your remarks on other players as well and consider your remarks as trashing those players as well. You have the right to expect whatever you want to expect, it doesn't matter to me. With firmware fixes, this player can be the best value of all of the $200 upscaling players in my opinion, now we just need to see if firmware fixes become a reality.

Saying this player doesn't do MPEG4 sounds like a falsehood to me. It may not play everything you can find that is encoded in MPEG4 but it appears to play some MPEG4 discs pretty well. I would say it plays MPEG4 much better than the Panasonic S97. Again, I think your expectations are consistent with players that cost much more than this one and the other players you have trashed.

Chris

Novice, up-converting players with DVI/HDMI really shine on large screen digital displays like DLP/ LCD/ Plasma/ LCoS etc. But, like Chris said, it's all subjective, and you may like it better than what you're using.

About playing mpeg4 discs, I asked before for someone to tell me an mpeg4 file this player can play and had no response. Also this player has the same deinterlacer/upconverter as the Panasonic and I was told it has a better mpeg decoder. And as far as trashing other players, I loved the Panasonic if not for the lack of PAL. I thought the HK DVD 22 had a fantastic picture (almost as good) if not for the combing errors on Monsters Inc (which would lead to more problems down the road.) I must've had a bum Toshiba 592 because while I saw no macroblocking, it had such a miserable picture I couldn't believe (possibly because of HDMI->DVI?) You may consider these cheap DVD players but the issues with the Oppo and the Panasonic and HK are issues that $50 DVD players don't have and are probably easier to fix than you suspect. This Oppo has the goods, let's just hope they can deliver.

Does the Oppo display either total time of a movie or time remaining? I especially miss not having the time remaining feature with the Momitsu V880.

A button on the remote lets you cycle through total time, time elasped, and time remaining for the OSD.

Originally posted by stephenju
Does anyone have lip-sync issue with this player? I played several DVDs (Applo 13, Ice Age, Hellboy) all have lip-sync issue where audio is ahead of video for about half second. Stop then play fixed all of them though.

The TV is Panasonic 42PD25U and audio is feed to Sharp AC3 receiver via coaxial. Never had this problem with my free-with-tire-purchase JVC.

Yes, I have noticed the lip-sync problem with my Oppo over the few weeks I have owned it (optical digital fed to a HK 7000Z receiver). I haven't seen any other reports of it here till now and had been using the delay feature on the receiver to compensate - but the amount of delay necessary seems to change from dvd to dvd or from time to time on the same dvd being played, it seems like. Didn't have any such problem with the Bravo D1 before, with the same receiver- but it 's quite noticeable with a pj on a 120" screen. I'll try your stop-then-play procedure and see if it corrects it.

Bob