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Neuromancer 11-28-05, 10:07 PM Overall, I like the original remote better.
Paul
I prefer my Pioneer Elite Receiver remote. This is the best remote I have ever had (free and payed). I just love its layout. But I digress.
bnwbass 11-28-05, 11:32 PM I hooked up the unit today, PQ better than any other player I own. The remote (new type) is not backlit but is glow. It will be pretty difficult to hold this one the wrong way but it's layout is ok. Can someone give an example when you would turn on CCS function the manual does not explain the purpose of this feature?
bnw
wes nance 11-29-05, 12:09 AM While I'm not a high resolution audio expert (i have not yet caved in to a universal player due to the lack of an industry standard digital output), I've been an audio enthusiast for many years.
I believe bass management is far more than setting the speakers up big versus small. Bass management entails using at the minimum, the Radio Shack Analog Sound Pressure Meter (not the digital one), and at your primary seating position, calibrate the distances from each speaker using various test tones.
Without doing that, one's DVD-A system is simply outputting whatever information is encoded, willy nilly, without regard to room size, seating position, etc.
What I brought up above is basically analogous to what one does with 5.1 bass management calibration with regular, DVD-Video. The sound portion's bass management calibration work is almost identical.
Every DVD-A player MUST have bass management because every room and every primary seating position is different.
The chances of "hitting it right" without distance measurements and adjustments is virtually nill.
Anyone else with more extensive experience in DVD-A care to chime in?
The OPPO has all the distance setups for speakers, etc., it has the ability to adjust the levels for all channels. It's all in the speaker setup menu. What it doesn't have is built in test tones, but that's not super common (I think, could be wong) in crossover dvd/dvd-a players. Most people who are dvd-a enthusiasts will have a dvd-a setup disk, such as one from Chesky, just as we use AVIA or DVE to set up and calibrate the video.
What I did for a quick solution was to use AVIA for the 5.1 balances, send it out the analog OPPO outputs, and then use my receivers channel balance settings to set the correct levels. I will get a Chesky disc sometime in the future, but for now it sounds pretty close.
So for you, it seems that it boils down to the fact that there aren't built in test tones, because other than the lack of large mains plus the sub option, the OPPO has everything else buried in the speaker setup menus.
Wes
The OPPO has all the distance setups for speakers, etc., it has the ability to adjust the levels for all channels. It's all in the speaker setup menu. What it doesn't have is built in test tones, but that's not super common (I think, could be wong) in crossover dvd/dvd-a players. Most people who are dvd-a enthusiasts will have a dvd-a setup disk, such as one from Chesky, just as we use AVIA or DVE to set up and calibrate the video.
What I did for a quick solution was to use AVIA for the 5.1 balances, send it out the analog OPPO outputs, and then use my receivers channel balance settings to set the correct levels. I will get a Chesky disc sometime in the future, but for now it sounds pretty close.
So for you, it seems that it boils down to the fact that there aren't built in test tones, because other than the lack of large mains plus the sub option, the OPPO has everything else buried in the speaker setup menus.
Wes
Wes,
i was in the speaker set up menu and didn't see the distance settings at all! in fact, i was on the phone with Oppo's tech support...may i ask you to elaborate how to get to that menu?
i even called the next day to ask and the tech support person said specifically that there is no bass management adjustments beyond large/small speakers for DVD-A.
looking forward to your further elaboration/guidance.
thanks!
PS: by the way, what type/level of 6 RCA analog cables did you get for your Oppo to processor/receiver? did you get super expensive ones? or run of the mill standard ones? were they (for 6 cables) around $50 for 6? or $100? did you get them from Radio Shack? or an audiophile level much fancier place?
thx!
i was going to get broadcast-quality Belden-level cables with gold RCA's, sort of middle of the road level cables.
Bytehoven 11-29-05, 01:18 AM PS: by the way, what type/level of 6 RCA analog cables did you get for your Oppo to processor/receiver? did you get super expensive ones? or run of the mill standard ones? were they (for 6 cables) around $50 for 6? or $100? did you get them from Radio Shack? or an audiophile level much fancier place?
Coax cables with copper wire core and a weaved shielding outside the coax isolator are sufficient.
Save your cabbage on connectors, and put the $$$ into music & video discs.
Coax cables with copper wire core and a weaved shielding outside the coax isolator are sufficient.
Save your cabbage on connectors, and put the $$$ into music & video discs.
May I ask for some/several recommendations?
Would you say Radio Shack? Would you say a particular etailer is one that you like more than others?
I've done a range over the years and can't decide...
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Bytehoven 11-29-05, 01:46 AM May I ask for some/several recommendations?
Personally, I prefer the RCA cables you find at electronic music stores. Their cables are often about twice the thickness of the cables which come with DVD players, VCR, CD players, etc. This larger diameter is due to a thicker isolator cross section. Cables from Tascam, Teac, Alesis, and others, all are well made and designed. They maybe be slightly more than Radio Shack's cheapest cables, but wellbelow the ridiculous cost of audiophile interconnects.
I don't recall if Radio Shack carrys both weaved and nonweaved shield type. In the past when I have cut down Radio Shack cables in the studio, I found they were nonweaved shield, but that was quite a few years ago.
IMHO, you would find many/most of the music store cables to be as good as a cable built from Belden. A Radio Shack cable with copper core and weaved shield would be just as good.
If you start getting into the issue of what metal the RCA connects is made, I have never found a benefit to paying for a higher cost audiophile connector. The only issue I worry about is structural integrity, and that's mainly due to the demand of repeated connect/disconnect in a studio enviroment. A somewhat permanent installation does not have such demands.
Here's a couple of links.
http://www.musiciansfriend.com/srs7/src=SearchDex/search/detail/base_pid/339032
http://www.samedaymusic.com/product--HOSCRA80
You might find a better deal on the Mogami brand cable if you search around. Alot of professional studios use the Mogami products.
Good luck
bruin95 11-29-05, 02:25 AM This sounds like the known compatibility issue with DVD's recorded on some standalone DVD Recorders.
Or have these DVD-R's been recorded on a PC with Nero or some other software? If so, what software are you using?
The discs are recorded on a PC (Sony DRU-700a burner with lastest firmware) and burned with Nero. Should I use different software? Any recommendations? The discs played fine for a couple of weeks and now everyone of them have the "hesitation" problem.
Filipinoyakuza 11-29-05, 02:30 AM So this player only has a DVI port and no HDMI port?
Neuromancer 11-29-05, 02:56 AM So this player only has a DVI port and no HDMI port?
That is correct.
Neuromancer 11-29-05, 02:57 AM The discs are recorded on a PC (Sony DRU-700a burner with lastest firmware) and burned with Nero. Should I use different software? Any recommendations? The discs played fine for a couple of weeks and now everyone of them have the "hesitation" problem.
If you have the time and money, I would recommend sending back the unit to OPPO for inspection and repair.
Or, send them a couple of discs to look at, to make sure it is not the mastering itself.
theroys88 11-29-05, 05:51 AM Hey guys,
Have been following this thread for some time and am considering this player. I have noticed that some people who have crt are noticing flickering at 1080i. I currently have a q50 with DCDI and the earlier chip 2200. Had noticed the flickering on the upper third of the screen even when no dvd was playing. It was quite distracting. Finally found a solution. Changed the resolution on my Toshiba 36hf73 from 1080i to 540p. It was instantly gone. I can then turn it back to 1080i and its gone. I have found since I have done that several times, the incidence has gone down to rarely. Wondering if its inherent in these farouja chips. My other Panasonic 34" player this does not happen. Just thought it might be relevent.
paulpoule 11-29-05, 07:50 AM With respect to those running the oppo at 720p with an ae700/ae900 and using PAL discs who are wondering about 2:2 cadence and 50/60Hz--I've been trying a few things on my ae700.
1) I found a scene on a PAL disc which pans across fixed fine writing. If I pause on any single frame the writing is clear, but if I let the pan run it blurs and judders slightly This seems like a good test scene as it's probably not the DVD authoring at stake. It is equally blurry in 576p, 720p and 1080i. I frequently tweaked sharpness on and off as some have suggested that this may kickstart 2:2 cadence.
2) I also checked out the skyscrapers on the PAL DVE. They judder very slightly on all settings. Worse on 576p, maybe slightly the smoothest on 1080i--but with a loss of other image qualities. 720p was the best overall performer.
3) I attached the ae700 to my PC DVI-HDMI running zoomplayer on a fairly basic video card. I used reclock to test various framerates. No matter what framerate I chose (I tested auto, 24, 25 and 30) the same thing happened to the image--i.e., the words were blurry. Also, according to reclock, the ae700 stayed at 60Hz (or 59.664, to be precise) no matter what and I couldn't change the frequency using anything else either.
4) I rehooked up my old progscan sony to the ae700 through component. If you go into the ae700's secret menu and look at selfcheck then the frequencies are Hor. 31.3khz and vertical 50.14hz (or there abouts), which suggests that the ae700 is running a 50 Hz frame rate (These figures do not appear on the HDMI setting which is suggestive.) But pq wise the image of the words is certainly no less blurry, nor are the sky scrapers in the pan shot any less juddery that on 576p on the oppo. Through component the rate for and NTSC disc is 31.5khz and 60.11Hz respectively.
My tentative conclusions: a) the ae700 can be a pretty blurry pj (but beautifful in so many other ways). b) the ae700 only runs at 60hz off of HDMI.
It's just another one of those things, like aspect ratio, which lock out over HDMI. I doubt anything can be done about it. It's likely that the same thing is occurring to the ae900. As the vast majority of users and especially reviewers live in NTSC land it makes no odds to them and thus doesn't get reported. The picture at 720p is just so much better even so that maybe it makes no odds? The old sony looked very flat--though admittedly I didn't recalibrate for pq as that wasn't my aim.
Does anybody who knows more about these things have any comments?
Dave
Hy,
I also have a ae700 and oppo.. and have the same problem of 50hz with pal disc.
But with PC I managed to have 50hz.. so the ae700 can do it :)
I think it's a syncronisation problem... but the quality is good and traveling too.. better with ntsc conversion.. So i think it's reali pal that the recieve from the oppo..
I've got a question, what are your set up: do you let true life, noise reduction, sharpness.. and other??
gog8ors 11-29-05, 09:34 AM Hello all,
Thinking about buying this player for my Mitsu 73713 TV and using the DVI input obviously. Is the 1080i going to look better than the 480p being that this TV can display both? My understanding is that the TV's native display rate is 480p, thus is the 1080i going to do me any good or realize any significant resolution differences. Would I be better off just buying a good 480p player?
Thanks as always
dusterscott 11-29-05, 09:41 AM This is a good 480p player. There's no sense in upscaling to 1080i with the Oppo and then downscaling to 480p with your tv. Set the Oppo to 480p and enjoy!
Hy,
I also have a ae700 and oppo.. and have the same problem of 50hz with pal disc.
But with PC I managed to have 50hz.. so the ae700 can do it :)
I think it's a syncronisation problem... but the quality is good and traveling too.. better with ntsc conversion.. So i think it's reali pal that the recieve from the oppo..
I've got a question, what are your set up: do you let true life, noise reduction, sharpness.. and other??
Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad it's a PAL issue rather than a pj issue, now it may get fixed.
As for my set up I set the oppo to con +2 bri -8, and reset it everytime I play a PAL disc. NR, truelife, sharpness, etc, are all off. Video 2, 50ms audio delay. The AE700 is then calibrated using the PAL DVE, Cinema 2 mode. My settings are (from memory): con 0, bri +15, saturation 0, colour temp +1, sharpness -6, NR off, Iris on. In the advanced menu I've lowered the low gamma and the greens.
Dave
jhixson 11-29-05, 10:30 AM Hopefully your Sony TV will have a stretch mode that will let you stretch the non-anamorphic image to the correct size on your screen- and that the picture will look ok. Unfortunetely, I have my Oppo connected to a Samsung DLP via DVI and my TV can't stretch the non-anamorphic picture. After numerous posts on this forum several people replied advising to use the players aspect ratio control to stretch the "fat" or "squished" looking non-anamophic picture. Unfortunetely the Oppo is awful at this in my set-up (via DVI to Samsung HLP 5063W DLP)and the only way to watch non-anamophic fliks for me is I've connected a 2nd player- a Zenith 318 player via component and that fixed my problem.
On my Samsung DLP I set the Oppo on 480P for non animorphic, leave in wide and use zoom 1 and it looks good.
wes nance 11-29-05, 10:44 AM Wes,
i was in the speaker set up menu and didn't see the distance settings at all! in fact, i was on the phone with Oppo's tech support...may i ask you to elaborate how to get to that menu?
i even called the next day to ask and the tech support person said specifically that there is no bass management adjustments beyond large/small speakers for DVD-A.
looking forward to your further elaboration/guidance.
thanks!
PS: by the way, what type/level of 6 RCA analog cables did you get for your Oppo to processor/receiver? did you get super expensive ones? or run of the mill standard ones? were they (for 6 cables) around $50 for 6? or $100? did you get them from Radio Shack? or an audiophile level much fancier place?
thx!
i was going to get broadcast-quality Belden-level cables with gold RCA's, sort of middle of the road level cables.
Again, I think you may be confusing some folks with the way you are using the term "bass management". The tech probably wasn't sure what you were looking for.
In the speaker menu, you want "Channel delay", you can set your distances. For some reason some of the speakers won't go to a longer distance, so I just had to make sure all my relationships were the same, between speaker distances, but didn't have the actual distances input, if that makes sense. (If the speakers are all at least 4 feet away, I made that "0" and added distance from there)
For level trim, you are looking in the audio menu for "Channel trim" where you can move each channel up or down by the db amount you need.
For cables, I am running some leftovers I had lying around, they're not great. If I was going to buy new cables, for the money, I would probably order from "Blue Jeans Cables" (an AVS sponsor) since you're probably talking short lengths it would be pretty cheap, and they use the best Canare or Belden cable available.
Hope that helps-
Wes
Martin Butler 11-29-05, 11:09 AM I'm a fan of somewhat high (but not too high) end cables. I found the Blue Jeans DVI cable to be a great value, they're well made and work as well as any others I've tried.
bnwbass 11-29-05, 11:40 AM Can someone give an example when you would turn on CCS function (cross color separation) the manual does not explain the purpose of this feature?
TIA
bnw
Can someone give an example when you would turn on CCS function (cross color separation) the manual does not explain the purpose of this feature?
CCS is designed to suppress certain composite video artifacts. You'd only need it when watching content transferred from an old analog master, such as many older anime releases. For anything that has been digitally mastered (or remastered) in true component video, CCS should be turned off because it introduces its own artifacts.
It's better to just leave it off. The vast majority of DVDs don't need it. CCS was originally developed for Faroudja's stand-alone deinterlacing and scaling products, which at the time were primarily connected to VHS, cable, and laserdisc.
bmadd36 11-29-05, 01:25 PM Hey all,
Question for all you Oppoites: I have the 971H and calibrated by monitor last night (42PHD8UK) for overscan using Avia and the H/V Pos/Size settings on my monitor. I tweaked the settings until the overscan test image stretched to just fit the screen horizontally and vertically. I then put in Monsters Inc. (1.85:1) and noticed that there was a black border around the entire picture, which indicated to me that the settings that worked for the Avia overscan image did not work with a 1.85 film. Anyone have an idea why this would be the case?
(BTW, I then tweaked the settings using a freeze frame from Monsters Inc. just to make sure that I wouldn't be aging the phosphors unevenly. I'll now have to make it a point to check more 1.85 movies to see if there's any over/underscan.)
TIA for your help,
BMadd
Alex solomon 11-29-05, 01:51 PM Do the majority of Infocus SP4805 owners turn truelife off at all? What's is it's function? Should I turn it off?
The discs are recorded on a PC (Sony DRU-700a burner with lastest firmware) and burned with Nero. Should I use different software? Any recommendations? The discs played fine for a couple of weeks and now everyone of them have the "hesitation" problem.That's strange. I use a Pioneer A06 DVD+/-R/W and Nero to burn, but I usually use DVD Shrink to extract the movie with "No compression". Try breaking your regular chain, maybe using something different to rip and reauthor.
Hey all,
Question for all you Oppoites: I have the 971H and calibrated by monitor last night (42PHD8UK) for overscan using Avia and the H/V Pos/Size settings on my monitor. I tweaked the settings until the overscan test image stretched to just fit the screen horizontally and vertically. I then put in Monsters Inc. (1.85:1) and noticed that there was a black border around the entire picture, which indicated to me that the settings that worked for the Avia overscan image did not work with a 1.85 film.BMadd, I understand that some movies do not fill the entire 720-pixel frame width. Avia does. So you have two options:
Fill your frame with Avia (as you have done) and tolerate a border on some movies.
Fill the frame with Monsters Inc, and tolerate a bit of overscan (lost pixels) on other movies, and Avia.
bmadd36 11-29-05, 02:48 PM BMadd, I understand that some movies do not fill the entire 720-pixel frame width. Avia does. So you have two options:
Fill your frame with Avia (as you have done) and tolerate a border on some movies.
Fill the frame with Monsters Inc, and tolerate a bit of overscan (lost pixels) on other movies, and Avia.
Thanks, GSB. By 'some movies' and 'other movies,' do you mean that not all 1.85 movies are created equal? Or, if I frame Monsters Inc. properly, should all 1.85 fit the same?
This, of course, raises another question of why AVIA hasn't released a 16:9 anamorphic disc yet. Anyone know why? Wouldn't this make sense?
bnwbass 11-29-05, 03:58 PM Maybe someone can answer this ? I am connected via DVI/HDMI through a Denon AVR-3806 and the out to 720P DLP, when I press the DVI button the manual states the unit should change between 480-720-1080. Nothing comes up on the screen. If you are connected via DVI is the default to output 720P?
tia
bnw
rwestley 11-29-05, 04:07 PM You should try the settings with no disk in the machine. Do it with the Oppo screen on.
The changes were fast with the old firmware. If you have the new firmware you should see the resolution in the upper left side of the screen.
rwestley 11-29-05, 04:10 PM Movies are made in different aspect ratios. 16x9=178x1 Many films are made 185x1 so you will see a small border. It might be possible to set your tv or proj. for a slight overscan.
So this player only has a DVI port and no HDMI port?Yes, but it comes included with a DVI to HDMI converter cable if you request it.
Thanks, GSB. By 'some movies' and 'other movies,' do you mean that not all 1.85 movies are created equal? Or, if I frame Monsters Inc. properly, should all 1.85 fit the same?
The Monsters Inc. DVD has a small amount of windowboxing on all 4 sides of the frame. This is part of the video transfer, designed to counter the overscan on typical consumer televisions. With a zero-overscan display, you see black bars on all 4 sides.
You should use the Avia test patterns to properly calibrate your display, not a movie DVD.
Thanks, GSB. By 'some movies' and 'other movies,' do you mean that not all 1.85 movies are created equal? Or, if I frame Monsters Inc. properly, should all 1.85 fit the same? Not all movies are created equal... and this applies to any aspect ratio, not only to 1.85.
This, of course, raises another question of why AVIA hasn't released a 16:9 anamorphic disc yet. Anyone know why? Wouldn't this make sense? Avia does have some anamorphic test patterns (Widescreen Enhanced menu). To see them correctly though, you have to switch the OPPO player to "Wide" mode, because if you are using "Wide/SQZ" mode, the player detects the DVD as 4:3 material and automatically pillarboxes it.
Avia Pro is mostly anamorphic.
Martin Butler 11-29-05, 06:54 PM Alex Soloman, I have the truelife feature turned OFF with my InFocus 4805. It was recommended to keep it on setting #1 before the latest firmware upgrade because it inadvertantly shut off Faroudja processing if it was set to off. That's been remedied, so don't bother with it for most DVD's.
Alex solomon 11-29-05, 08:32 PM Alex Soloman, I have the truelife feature turned OFF with my InFocus 4805. It was recommended to keep it on setting #1 before the latest firmware upgrade because it inadvertantly shut off Faroudja processing if it was set to off. That's been remedied, so don't bother with it for most DVD's.
Thanks Martin. I presume the latest software being 1022?
there is no way i can read 168 pages of info, i ordered my oppo and looking for a quick set-up guide. will be dvi-hdmi on SXRD, just looking for some settings for a goood picture. Sorry for being lazy, but i would appericate a little help
wes nance 11-29-05, 09:04 PM The Monsters Inc. DVD has a small amount of windowboxing on all 4 sides of the frame. This is part of the video transfer, designed to counter the overscan on typical consumer televisions. With a zero-overscan display, you see black bars on all 4 sides.
You should use the Avia test patterns to properly calibrate your display, not a movie DVD.
Josh,
The first movie I noticed this on was Madagascar last night on the OPPO and 4805, same story- slight windowboxing around the entire picture. . . I was going to ask about it, but now I see that some movies must be like that.
Wes
Alex solomon 11-29-05, 09:32 PM Deleted. Sorry, wrong thread.
hsinnott 11-30-05, 02:35 AM there is no way i can read 168 pages of info, i ordered my oppo and looking for a quick set-up guide. will be dvi-hdmi on SXRD, just looking for some settings for a goood picture. Sorry for being lazy, but i would appericate a little help
I have my Oppo connected to a Samsung 50" HLP5063W...dvi-hdmi too- I turn off all enhancements on dvd player- CCS, Truelife, Noise Reduction etc...Sharpness, Brightness, Contrast, Saturation all at Off or "00" setting...better to tweak these settings on your tv using a calibration disc such as Digital Video Essentials....and make sure your Oppo has latest 1111b firmware installed to give correct brightness "studio" setting.
I also have Oppo set to "wide" and am using 720p mode on the Samsung as this is its native resolution and when Samsung picture setting is set to "expand" this results in exact 1:1 pixel matching- lovely picture.
I'd recommend setting your Sony to its native resolution. From what I've read, the Sony picture adjustments are very complex so I'd recommend using those rather than the ones on the Oppo to get the best possible picture.
paulpoule 11-30-05, 07:57 AM Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad it's a PAL issue rather than a pj issue, now it may get fixed.
As for my set up I set the oppo to con +2 bri -8, and reset it everytime I play a PAL disc. NR, truelife, sharpness, etc, are all off. Video 2, 50ms audio delay. The AE700 is then calibrated using the PAL DVE, Cinema 2 mode. My settings are (from memory): con 0, bri +15, saturation 0, colour temp +1, sharpness -6, NR off, Iris on. In the advanced menu I've lowered the low gamma and the greens.
Dave
Thanks Dave for your settings
Now waiting for the pal firmawre :cool:
mczolton 11-30-05, 09:49 AM CCS is designed to suppress certain composite video artifacts. You'd only need it when watching content transferred from an old analog master, such as many older anime releases. For anything that has been digitally mastered (or remastered) in true component video, CCS should be turned off because it introduces its own artifacts.
It's better to just leave it off. The vast majority of DVDs don't need it. CCS was originally developed for Faroudja's stand-alone deinterlacing and scaling products, which at the time were primarily connected to VHS, cable, and laserdisc.
The Cross Color Suppressor is generally good for static images via composite video where you would want to eliminate some of the chroma that can sometimes show up in the luminance portion of the signal.
Keep it off.
Mark
Neuromancer 12-01-05, 08:18 PM If anyone is interested, TekWorm in the Brain Dump forum posted a picture of the new Black remote ( http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6636763&&#post6636763).
summermmtea 12-02-05, 11:54 AM I'm very interested in this DVD player after read many good reviews about it. However, my TV has only one HDMI port which I use to hook up my HDTV signal. There are no additional HDMI/DVI ports on the TV. Any solutions?
Bytehoven 12-02-05, 12:03 PM I'm very interested in this DVD player after read many good reviews about it. However, my TV has only one HDMI port which I use to hook up my HDTV signal. There are no additional HDMI/DVI ports on the TV. Any solutions?
YES. You can get a 2x1 or 4x1 HDMI switcher. Multiple HDMI source problem solved.
If you search "HDMI switcher" you will find a couple of threads on the topic, with links to various switchers.
I'm very interested in this DVD player after read many good reviews about it. However, my TV has only one HDMI port which I use to hook up my HDTV signal. There are no additional HDMI/DVI ports on the TV. Any solutions?
Use your component input for your HD signal. It should look just as good as with DVI or HDMI.
HiHoStevo 12-02-05, 01:04 PM I'm very interested in this DVD player after read many good reviews about it. However, my TV has only one HDMI port which I use to hook up my HDTV signal. There are no additional HDMI/DVI ports on the TV. Any solutions?
OR
An audio receiver with multiple HDMI in and one HDMI out....... such as
JVC RX-D702B
Yamaha RX-V2600
Denon 4306
etc
summermmtea 12-02-05, 01:46 PM my sony receiver was bought 2 years ago which doesn't have any HDMI/DVI input.
OR
An audio receiver with multiple HDMI in and one HDMI out....... such as
JVC RX-D702B
Yamaha RX-V2600
Denon 4306
etc
summermmtea 12-02-05, 01:53 PM this would be the cheapest solution if it works, but I really doubt that the component can do as good as DVI/HDMI, but I will compare it tonight when I get back home. thanks
Use your component input for your HD signal. It should look just as good as with DVI or HDMI.
kmramos 12-02-05, 04:03 PM Some pages back, there was a post by GSB which indicted some success in taming the macroblocking by setting Brightness to -8 and Contrast to +2. Since the baseline brightness has been changed in the new firmware, does that mean Brightness should now be at -5 if one is trying GSB's settings? I'm the kind of person who has trouble figuring out time differences, so excuse me if I'm being a little slow!
yarrumc 12-02-05, 04:49 PM Use your component input for your HD signal. It should look just as good as with DVI or HDMI.
It is well known that component is not what you want to use with this player. This player was really built to be used with DVI, since the DVI is outputting the video signal using the Faroudja processor. I would seriously switch your STB to use component and free up the HDMI for the Oppo. I don't think you will notice a lot of difference with your STB with HD, using component. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
HiHoStevo 12-02-05, 05:11 PM yarrumc.......
You are absolutely correct about the Oppo... you do not want to use ANYTHING from the Oppo except the DVI out.
On the other STB's I think it varies by unit.......... I have two HD STB's an RCA DTC-210 and an HD-TIVO and both of them look substantially better from their DVI/HDMI output than they do from component.... of course this is probably display dependent also... I am using a BenQ 8700+ front projector with a 110" screen.
shogo33 12-02-05, 11:06 PM Guys, any ideas on the ETA of the new PAL firmware that fixes the image shift when upscaling?
Some pages back, there was a post by GSB which indicted some success in taming the macroblocking by setting Brightness to -8 and Contrast to +2. Since the baseline brightness has been changed in the new firmware, does that mean Brightness should now be at -5 if one is trying GSB's settings? Yes, that sounds about right, but I have not yet tried it with the new firmware to confirm.
It is well known that component is not what you want to use with this player. This player was really built to be used with DVI, since the DVI is outputting the video signal using the Faroudja processor. I would seriously switch your STB to use component and free up the HDMI for the Oppo. I don't think you will notice a lot of difference with your STB with HD, using component. Someone correct me if I am wrong. I think justsc meant for summermmtea to connect his HDTV (STB) signal with component, and the OPPO with HDMI, just as you have recommended.
If the STB receives a fully digital signal, using component connections would certainly degrade the signal as much as the OPPO over component. But depending on the TV, the PQ may be a bit better from the STB because it can transmit 720p/1080i.
i recently purchased the Oppo and am generally ok with the unit.
i have to say, though, that the unit does not have the "memory" of your last disc's "position", i.e. where you last left it. this is almost unacceptable to me.
i'm sure each person has his/her own tolerances of this, but when i put in a disc, it is almost universally accepted that when you put that disc back in, it will "remember" the last spot you were at. i was told that most Sony units have like a 100 disc memory.
the fact that Oppu does not have it and doesn't really make it explicit is hard to believe.
bruin95 12-03-05, 02:23 AM i recently purchased the Oppo and am generally ok with the unit.
i have to say, though, that the unit does not have the "memory" of your last disc's "position", i.e. where you last left it. this is almost unacceptable to me.
i'm sure each person has his/her own tolerances of this, but when i put in a disc, it is almost universally accepted that when you put that disc back in, it will "remember" the last spot you were at. i was told that most Sony units have like a 100 disc memory.
the fact that Oppu does not have it and doesn't really make it explicit is hard to believe.
I'm sure that is something that can easily be addressed in a firmware update.
yarrumc 12-03-05, 02:31 AM i recently purchased the Oppo and am generally ok with the unit.
i have to say, though, that the unit does not have the "memory" of your last disc's "position", i.e. where you last left it. this is almost unacceptable to me.
i'm sure each person has his/her own tolerances of this, but when i put in a disc, it is almost universally accepted that when you put that disc back in, it will "remember" the last spot you were at. i was told that most Sony units have like a 100 disc memory.
the fact that Oppu does not have it and doesn't really make it explicit is hard to believe.
It's a bit hokie, but it they did add this in the last major firmware release. You have to eject the disc, not stop and then power off the player. At that point, it keeps a bookmark of the position the movie was in. The next time you start it back up, you just push your select button(going of memory on that) and it will continue where it left off.
It's a bit hokie, but it they did add this in the last major firmware release. You have to eject the disc, not stop and then power off the player. At that point, it keeps a bookmark of the position the movie was in. The next time you start it back up, you just push your select button(going of memory on that) and it will continue where it left off.
thx for posting.
i was told of this "temp fix", but honestly, it is only for ONE specific "last disc" and it is not the same as having multiple disc memories.
not that i need a 100-disc memory, but maybe 10?
there are numerous instances that i do not "finish" a dvd prior to the ending and ended up not wanting to finish the disc and just moving on to the next dvd.
in fact, right now, since i got the Oppo so recently, i thought that i'd try various discs to see what it's like.
thx for posting your comment, it's always helpful for us to get to the "last word", serious word on this...
TXP3064W 12-03-05, 01:52 PM It is well known that component is not what you want to use with this player. This player was really built to be used with DVI, since the DVI is outputting the video signal using the Faroudja processor. I would seriously switch your STB to use component and free up the HDMI for the Oppo. I don't think you will notice a lot of difference with your STB with HD, using component. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
I initially had my MOXI STB synced up via DVI, but when I got the Oppo I dedicated the DVI to it. For whatever reason I get better color saturation via component watching HD programming with my STB then previously with DVI. Of course DVI on the Oppo is the sh*t!! not to mention DCDi, as stated many times b4, is only active via the DVI, per the Opppo.
sphinx99 12-04-05, 03:51 PM Anyone know where the Secrets Oppo review went? I was trying to searchy for it earlier this afternoon and couldn't pull it up any longer.
erw300zx 12-04-05, 05:10 PM The "Secrets" benchmark test of the Oppo is GONE! I was looking for it today and it was not there! I can't email Secrets because they don't seem to have contact info, but I emailed Oppo the following to see what their reply is:
"I was planning on getting one of your OPDV971H players, and noticed that it had been REMOVED from the "Secrets Of Home Theater and High Fidelity" benchmark website! The link that you have on your website to the benchmark shootout no longer includes Oppo!
What happened?"
If I get a reply, I'll let you know!
erw300zx 12-04-05, 05:14 PM WOAH! It's Sunday at almost quarter after five in the evening, and I got a reply! Oppo must have employees chained to their desks! It only took TWO minutes from the time I sent my email for this to show up in my inbox:
"Kris is re-examining the OPDV971H in lue of the new firmware releases.
He should be posting it again once the unit has fully been re-tested.
Best Regards,
Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
453 Ravendale Dr, Suite D
Mountain View, CA 94043
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119"
I have never gotten such good customer service from any company! I'm buying one of these players!!!
HiHoStevo 12-04-05, 06:29 PM WOAH!
I have never gotten such good customer service from any company! I'm buying one of these players!!!
Now you understand precisely the Number 1 reason I (and probably many others) own this player... and I have a HTPC! :eek:
jonnyozero3 12-04-05, 06:50 PM I find it funny nobody thought to ask Kris Deering first :)
However, I am amazed at how quick that response was! :eek:
Bytehoven 12-04-05, 06:59 PM Kris has mentioned he intended a follow up review of the OPPO.
I'm surprised they pulled the old review completely.
I'm not sure why the old review could not have remained available until the update was ready for posting.
My 1st thought... maybe the new review is ready to roll and will be posted shortly. But if there will be an extended delay, the old review certainly did not go beyond my own positive experience with the 971H. It's not like the old review was making inaccurate claims.
I'm sure Kris will comment.
Kris has mentioned he intended a follow up review of the OPPO.
I'm surprised they pulled the old review completely.
I'm not sure why the old review could not have remained available until the update was ready for posting.
My 1st thought... maybe the new review is ready to roll and will be posted shortly. But if there will be an extended delay, the old review certainly did not go beyond my own positive experience with the 971H. It's not like the old review was making inaccurate claims.
I'm sure Kris will comment.SECRETS routinely pulls an old review a couple of days before posting an updated review on any player. Strange, but not out of the ordinary.
yarrumc 12-04-05, 08:13 PM I initially had my MOXI STB synced up via DVI, but when I got the Oppo I dedicated the DVI to it. For whatever reason I get better color saturation via component watching HD programming with my STB then previously with DVI. Of course DVI on the Oppo is the sh*t!! not to mention DCDi, as stated many times b4, is only active via the DVI, per the Opppo.
Same setup here.. Moxi on component and Oppo on DVI... all is good!
Neuromancer 12-04-05, 08:53 PM SECRETS routinely pulls an old review a couple of days before posting an updated review on any player. Strange, but not out of the ordinary.
Most likely so the consumers aren't confused by "contradicting" scores. Easier to remove the score than to have to explain why a day earlier the score was different.
jonnyozero3 12-04-05, 09:01 PM SECRETS routinely pulls an old review a couple of days before posting an updated review on any player. Strange, but not out of the ordinary.
Yup, forgot to say that. It happened with the S97 before as well.
It is well known that component is not what you want to use with this player. This player was really built to be used with DVI, since the DVI is outputting the video signal using the Faroudja processor. I would seriously switch your STB to use component and free up the HDMI for the Oppo. I don't think you will notice a lot of difference with your STB with HD, using component. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You have misunderstood my post:
"Use your component input for your HD signal. It should look just as good as with DVI or HDMI."
I was encouraging the poster to use his component inputs on his tv for his STB (incoming HD), saving his DVI/HDMI for the Oppo.
Neuromancer 12-05-05, 04:19 PM Most STBs suck arse (I am looking at you Motorola) and show little to no gain when a DVI/HDMI output is used instead of the components.
Most STBs suck arse (I am looking at you Motorola) and show little to no gain when a DVI/HDMI output is used instead of the components.
Very well said!!!
I have the Motorola 6412 dual tuner dvr. At first I couldn't believe that my component interface gave me better PQ than through DVI-HDMI. It just didn't make sense. But, sure enough, after numerous trials I have come to accept that my best PQ comes via component cables.
Neuromancer 12-05-05, 07:55 PM OPPO has released the remote for purchase. Check out: http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp
They are charging 5 USD.
jonnyozero3 12-05-05, 08:56 PM Very well said!!!
I have the Motorola 6412 dual tuner dvr. At first I couldn't believe that my component interface gave me better PQ than through DVI-HDMI. It just didn't make sense. But, sure enough, after numerous trials I have come to accept that my best PQ comes via component cables.
Which version of the 6412 do you have? I had the original Cox Motorola DCT-6412 120gb version and found that there was little difference between component or DVI. I may have given the nod to component, but it was close.
But, I recently exchanged that model for an updated 6412 Phase III model (it is marked as such) which has HDMI. Now, the component outs show moderate edge enhancement which bothers me. The HDMI connection is crisp but does not have the ringing/EE. Go figure, now HDMI is better :p
Edit - sorry for continuing the OT
Alex solomon 12-05-05, 09:09 PM OPPO has released the remote for purchase. Check out: http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp
They are charging 5 USD.
Just ordered one. Thanks for the info.
OPPO has released the remote for purchase. Check out: http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp
They are charging 5 USD.
From personal experience, if you ask and have purchased the player within the 30 day return period (and say that) they have been known to ship you one for free. The did for me.
filiperangel 12-06-05, 09:49 AM Guys, did you see the Oppo's new scores at Secrets??? :eek:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0
[]'s
Filipe Rangel.
dusterscott 12-06-05, 10:01 AM Cool. It doesn't look like they've changed their comments yet though.
Alex solomon 12-06-05, 10:04 AM Guys, did you see the Oppo's new scores at Secrets??? :eek:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0
[]'s
Filipe Rangel.
It deserves to be on top. This is a $200.00 machine that performs as well as the kilo $$$ and more DVD players. The top offerings from Denon, Pio & Onkyo may be better but not as much as for the price difference would indicate. Put the saving into for a better display. IMHO, of course.
joe12south 12-06-05, 10:10 AM I'd love to have this machine, but I'm not sure I can deal with it failing on something as basic as audio sync. As a rough idea, what percentage of discs are a problem?
OPPO has released the remote for purchase. Check out: http://www.oppodigital.com/products.asp
They are charging 5 USD.
Just ordered this DVD player and noticed the next day that their web site is listing a "new remote".
Should I be ordering this remote for the $5 handling fee? I just assumed I'd get a remote with the player. Is this new remote somehow different that earlier model remotes, and the player does come with a remote doesn't it?
Thanx
Martin Butler 12-06-05, 10:18 AM I'd like to see Secrets redo their comments as well. For a $200 player to top the list is amazing and I think it deserves further explanation after the firmware changes. There's no mention of the underscan issue though..
I'd love to have this machine, but I'm not sure I can deal with it failing on something as basic as audio sync. As a rough idea, what percentage of discs are a problem?
There is no ball park figure. It is display dependent. I have an ae700 LCD pj with the audio delay on the oppo at 50ms and the delay on my receiver at about 70ms and I get no noticable probems with audio sync. Others have theirs set to 30ms and that covers it for them. DLPs are known to be a problem. Oppo is working on it.
Dave
Just ordered this DVD player and noticed the next day that their web site is listing a "new remote".
Should I be ordering this remote for the $5 handling fee? I just assumed I'd get a remote with the player. Is this new remote somehow different that earlier model remotes, and the player does come with a remote doesn't it?
Thanx
From the Oppo web page to order the new remote:
Please note all OPDV971H DVD players shipped after Dec 1st , 2005 come with new remotes already.
So you're OK. :)
Guys, did you see the Oppo's new scores at Secrets??? :eek:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0
[]'s
Filipe Rangel.
Good that it's still up there. Comments do need to be updated, though--the stuff about CCS being defaulted to on, for example, has been out of date for months.
Dave
From the Oppo web page to order the new remote:....So you're OK. :)
Thank you. I guess I missed that.
HappySonyLCDman 12-06-05, 06:43 PM Here is some correspondence I had with the company about this player today - Thought it may be of interest:
Macroblocking is very disc and display dependent. For most users, macroblocking should not be an alarming issue. Reducing the brightness and contrast, as well as adjusting your gamma can decrease macroblocking.
The jittering at 1080i is a by product of the Faroujda chipset not being able to support interlaced output. We are still working on trying to reduce, if not get rid of, this problem.
Best Regards,
Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
Kris Deering 12-06-05, 07:28 PM Good that it's still up there. Comments do need to be updated, though--the stuff about CCS being defaulted to on, for example, has been out of date for months.
Dave
This will be addressed this week. Oppo asked me not to pull the results while they were being updated so I haven't had the chance to change the commentary yet. Look for it VERY shortly.
yarrumc 12-06-05, 08:00 PM Here is some correspondence I had with the company about this player today - Thought it may be of interest:
Macroblocking is very disc and display dependent. For most users, macroblocking should not be an alarming issue. Reducing the brightness and contrast, as well as adjusting your gamma can decrease macroblocking.
The jittering at 1080i is a by product of the Faroujda chipset not being able to support interlaced output. We are still working on trying to reduce, if not get rid of, this problem.
Best Regards,
Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
Using this as just one example, of many emails, conversations and the results we have all seen from Oppo, I think their support staff and engineers deserve a raise! They are always quick to reply, courteous, educated in their answers and bend over backwards for their customers. If I had a say, I'd award them handsomely and make sure they are around a long time to keep this company going for years to come.
I've had trouble finding a decent upconverting player for my Tosh dlp and I've heard of this player but had not had the time research this thread. So far many of you like this player for the value, etc. I'm curious if this player is the one to get now or is Oppo working on another unit? I'm not sure how new this player is, but it looks like they keep doing software updates, etc. I've gone through two toshiba 4980 players and I couldn't tell a difference between those and my old toshiba progressive scan player.
Bytehoven 12-06-05, 08:31 PM OPPO is working on another player, but no specifics of design or timeframe have been made.
I would not wait, unless you don't mind waiting maybe 6 months or more.
Christopher D 12-06-05, 10:05 PM Wow! Just received this and hooked it up to my new Philips LCD. What an absolutely amazing picture at 720p. Thanks to all in the forum who recommended this player.
And the new remote seems very nice, although I haven't yet been able to use it much.
Dragonsf 12-07-05, 12:15 AM Using this as just one example, of many emails, conversations and the results we have all had seen from Oppo, I think their support staff and engineers deserve a raise! They are always quick to reply, courteous, educated in their answers and bend over backwards for their customers. If I had a say, I'd award them handsomely and make sure they are around a long time to keep this company going for years to come.
Fully agreed. Tried to order the new Remote yesterday, but was somewhat shocked about the shipping price (50$ to Japan).I sent an email and got prompt replay: it's an error in their web-application and will be fixed today. That's what I call service.
Just another thumbs up for oppo. I bought the player on Nov 17, I E-mailed them about the new remote, and as mentioned in a previous post, since I purchased in the last 30 days they sent me the new new black remote free. Thats what I call great customer service.
I will definetly buy another Oppo product. :)
Kakashi 12-07-05, 01:38 AM I bought my player just last week but ended up having to pay for the remote -- I corresponded three times but was only directed to their website products link. I'm very happy with the player and service so I wasn't about to push them for one. I mean $5 is MORE than worth it.
About the display output... My display is capable of 1080i and I haven't noticed any of the jittering mentioned in this thread (though I just may, now that I know to look for it). According to LCDman's response from Oppo, the Faroudja chipset is not capable of supporting interlaced output.. does this mean I should be running in 720p instead?
My display is capable of 1080i and I haven't noticed any of the jittering mentioned in this thread (though I just may, now that I know to look for it). According to LCDman's response from Oppo, the Faroudja chipset is not capable of supporting interlaced output.. does this mean I should be running in 720p instead?The Faroudja chipset does support interlaced output, but it may not sync correctly with all sets.
Feed your set with its native resolution. If you have trouble with that resolution, then use the one that looks best on your set.
rwestley 12-07-05, 06:43 AM Kakashi, You should have gotten the remote for no cost under the 30day policy. Give them a call I am sure Oppo will refund your $5.
Ok, which is the new remote?
My remote is silver with a black sticker covering the entire front panel....
This is mine:
http://www.ultimateavmag.com/images/archivesart/1105oppo.3.jpg
Ok, which is the new remote?
My remote is silver with a black sticker covering the entire front panel....
Try here:
http://www.oppodigital.com/proddetail.asp?prod=971Remote
THanks!
Just ordered the new one.
Wow! Thanks OPPO! Got me one too.
Am I correct in assuming the Oppo doesn't have an HDMI port?
Am I correct in assuming the Oppo doesn't have an HDMI port?It doesn't have an HDMI port, but the player comes with a DVI-to-HDMI adapter cable.
motoman 12-07-05, 04:36 PM I ordered the new remote Monday night and noticed when I did the order the total was $10.41. $5.00 for the remote,$5.00 shipping and $.41 tax.
I received an e-mail from Oppo today saying they were crediting my c/c $5.41.
I should have only been charged the shipping. I bought my Oppo back in August.
These guys are good.......
Later,
Jim
Well I might be the first and only person with a bad experience with Oppo thus far.
I ordered a refurb from them on Ebay Thurs, Dec. 1st. I live in CA so it should have gotten to me the next day via Ground. Started tracing through Fedex, days went by, no updates were made and it was still on "package data received". A call to FedEx claimed they didnt get the package yet, just the shipping info. Supposedly Oppo shipped 80 units out that day and they all got to where they were going BUT mine.
The people at Oppo then said they would ship me out a "New" Unit overnight to make sure it got to me on Tuesday (yesterday) Well by the end of the day yesterday they claimed that they were having 'problems' shipping FedEx Express and could still only do ground and it would get to me by Thursday at the latest and that they would watch the guy put it on the FedEx truck!
Ive been watching my tracking number for over a day now and its still stuck on "Packing data received", and Im supposed to get the unit by tomorrow. its not even in transit yet. Another email to Oppo revealed that "supposedly" FedEx may have lost the new 2nd unit too! Oppo has no idea whats going on!
I recieve UPS and FedEx packages at my house all the time, and they have my correct address. I wish I could join in on the tons of you out there who love this player but they can't even get me one to watch from! My experience thus far has been a nightmare with Oppo! How can I trust them to take care of this unit if it goes bad or I need a repalcement?
I hope this gets resolved cause Ive heard nothing but good things about the player itself... service with this company has been anything but impressive! :(
Kakashi 12-07-05, 06:46 PM Thanks GSB.
Although I didn't seemingly have any problems in 1080i, the native resolution of my set is 1280x720 or 720p. I switched it to 720 and noticed an improvement in picture quality so I think I'll be keeping it there.
I hope this gets resolved cause Ive heard nothing but good things about the player itself... service with this company has been anything but impressive! :(It will be resolved, OPPO will make sure of it. But your issue has nothing to do with OPPO anyway. How can you blame them?
At this time of the year, the shipping companies drop the ball a LOT. I worked closely with the shipping department at my previous electronics company, and in December, this kind of thing occurred constantly. It made no difference which shipping vendor we used - they were all badly swamped before Christmas. Packages regularly got lost in their HUGE warehouses, or shipped to the wrong warehouses, and their computer systems often missed packages that they had in their possession. The product usually showed up at it's destination, but often rather late.
Gary
Cole Cipro 12-07-05, 07:02 PM Yo Hkings,
I work with FedEx, DHL and UPS daily and all three of the mess up all the time. I have had all kinds of shipping nightmares with these guys. Waiting for weeks for products, delivers to the wrong addresses, delivering flowers 3 days late to my fiancée….On a side note what hell good are flowers 3 days late!!!
Anyhow not to defend all product vendors but when it comes to shipping look at the big three (FedEx, DHL, UPS) first.
In regards to OPPO I have had nothing put a positive experience working with its customer service.
I’d cut them some slack on this one.
skartzsky 12-07-05, 07:17 PM Like the previous user has claimed....I have experienced nothing but positives with the OPPO name. The cost of their product compared to competitors is not even close. This is what I call getting your moneys worth. On top of a great product, OPPO has really allowed users with a limited budget the ability to enjoy a high quality product. Not many firms have done that! I'll stick by OPPO anyday!
just recieved my oppo and am happy with it. i have an sxrd and have read that the new filmware causes a left shift, so i want to install older filmware??? right???, i went to oppo website and cannot find older version. anybody help a brother out???thanks
Dixie Flatline 12-07-05, 08:04 PM just recieved my oppo and am happy with it. i have an sxrd and have read that the new filmware causes a left shift, so i want to install older filmware??? right???, i went to oppo website and cannot find older version. anybody help a brother out???thanks
http://oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_1022_download.html
However, you might as well check whether you have a left shift first. On my 60" SXRD, it's pretty obvious -- a 1" or larger black bar down the right side of the screen when in 720p or 1080i. If you don't see it, no need to downgrade.
i noticed a shift ( at least an inch )when doing a quick thx optimizer, it was not noticable when viewing a movie, you notice a black bar when viewing???? thanks for the quick response.
Neuromancer 12-07-05, 08:31 PM i noticed a shift ( at least an inch )when doing a quick thx optimizer, it was not noticable when viewing a movie, you notice a black bar when viewing???? thanks for the quick response.
The black bar should be there even at the OPPO logo.
then i am good. thanks. is this a sxrd thing or is it noticable on other sets as well???
have they released a stuidio brightness setting for the silver remote owners yet?
i am trying to update filmware to an older release and i get an " unknown disk " error or dvd, what am i doing wrong????
rwestley 12-07-05, 10:03 PM Hall24, Did your burn the disk as an ISO disk image? Try burning with the free downlaoad program "Burn at Once."
Some of you must read the thread. The issue with shift has been discussed and discussed. It is a firmware issue and Oppo is aware of it. All you have to do is to go back to the previous firmware until the problem is fixed. Read the thread.
yes, at least i think that is what it comes off the website as correct??
i cant seem to figure it out, i give up till tomorrow.
John151 12-07-05, 11:51 PM How can you tell what version of firmware is loaded on the Oppo?
Paul Bigelow 12-07-05, 11:54 PM have they released a stuidio brightness setting for the silver remote owners yet?
No firmware with the studio levels compatible with first version of the remote yet.
There is a new version of the remote that is compatible wi th the firmware at the "Buy Now" tab at http://www.oppodigital.com
Paul
Paul Bigelow 12-07-05, 11:58 PM How can you tell what version of firmware is loaded on the Oppo?
From this post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491306
CHECK VERSION / TO MAKE REGION FREE:
Check Version Only:
Power on the player and with no disc inserted, press "OSD" on remote and "Batch" notation will be the firmware level.
Many hints are offered and questions and are answered here as well as link to firmware.
Paul
Paul Bigelow 12-07-05, 11:59 PM i cant seem to figure it out, i give up till tomorrow.
MagicISO works well, also.
Paul
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 02:23 AM I hope this gets resolved cause Ive heard nothing but good things about the player itself... service with this company has been anything but impressive! :(
Keep us updated tomorrow. I will be you dollars to donuts you will receive your new unit Thursday, as they noted.
Thanks for all the positive reinforcement guys... FedEx FINALLY got this one right as it looks to be at my local hub and should be delivered tomorrow. I will let you know how it turns out but it looks like Ill get my new player... I had to wait but I guess Im getting a new unit for the price of a refurb!
Thanks again!
yes, at least i think that is what it comes off the website as correct??You may have misunderstood. The file that comes from OPPO is an ISO image that must be "decoded/unzipped' by your CD burning software. Select the "Burn ISO Image" (or similar) option. When the disk has been finalized, the CD should have a 935.BIN file on it, not an ISO file.
If you've done all that correctly, and you're still having trouble, download the ISO file from the OPPO site again, and try a second time. I have landed a corrupt file over my dialup connection more than once.
rwestley 12-08-05, 03:58 AM I agree with Paul that Magic ISO is a good program but "Burn at Once" is free and is very easy to use. You can also use Nero or Roxio to burn an ISO.
I posted instructions a while back but they seem to have gotten lost in some thread, so I will post them again.
1. Download ISO image from Oppo and save to desktop
2. Download "Burn AT Once" 099.5
http://www.burnatonce.com/downloads/
3. Install "Burn AT Once"
4. Open "Burn At Once" file menu and load the Oppo firmware ISO from your desktop
5. Load a CD in your burner and hit the Write button. Wait until the Cd finishes.
6. If you have any problems check the device settings menu and make sure it is set
correctly for the cd burner that you are using.
7. Install the firmware following the instructions from Oppo.
zanarduz 12-08-05, 11:41 AM Hmmm didn't read all 17x pages of this thread... a little question... in a post of nearly 1 year ago I saw "DVI custom resolutions" in the Wish List... any news about that?
Thanks.
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 12:48 PM Hmmm didn't read all 17x pages of this thread... a little question... in a post of nearly 1 year ago I saw "DVI custom resolutions" in the Wish List... any news about that?
Thanks.
None. OPPO is working on bug fixes right now. Custom resolutions is a pipe dream at this time.
Guys, did you see the Oppo's new scores at Secrets??? :eek:
http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0
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Filipe Rangel.I noticed in the test...there is Video 1 and Video 2 is 2 meaning second test?
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 01:09 PM I noticed in the test...there is Video 1 and Video 2 is 2 meaning second test?
Video 2 is an option in the OPDV971H. Kris tested the unit twice. Once for Video 1 (essentially NTSC) and again for Video 2 (essentially PAL). Video 2 is the only option for proper 2:2 Cadence with PAL discs (which is why this score is higher).
Ja Phule 12-08-05, 01:21 PM Would it matter if we just left it on Video 2 no matter what we are viewing, whether its pal or ntsc? Basically, would video 2 affect ntsc dvd in anyway?
None. OPPO is working on bug fixes right now. Custom resolutions is a pipe dream at this time.
Wasn't it also determined that the Faroudja 2310 chip doesn't allow for custom resolutions?
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 04:14 PM Would it matter if we just left it on Video 2 no matter what we are viewing, whether its pal or ntsc? Basically, would video 2 affect ntsc dvd in anyway?
Video 2 will not effect NTSC, though it may or may not turn off your analog video connection. I stree may or may not, because the analog video is supposed to be completely turned off in Video 2, but users have been reporting that their analog outputs still work like a charm.
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 04:19 PM Wasn't it also determined that the Faroudja 2310 chip doesn't allow for custom resolutions?
I think it is presumed, but has never been officially confirmed. I could be terribly wrong (and it wouldn't be the first time).
wegaboy 12-08-05, 07:19 PM I just recieved my Oppo player last night and was testing the Signs DVD on my 42" Sony Grand Wega connected via DVI to HDMI at 720p. The picture looks great, but there is a scene in the beginning where there is an aerial shot of the crop circles. While the camera zooms out, significant blurring occurs. My Sony DVP-NS50P progressive scan player doesn't have that problem. What's up with the blurring?
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 07:27 PM I just recieved my Oppo player last night and was testing the Signs DVD on my 42" Sony Grand Wega connected via DVI to HDMI at 720p. The picture looks great, but there is a scene in the beginning where there is an aerial shot of the crop circles. While the camera zooms out, significant blurring occurs. My Sony DVP-NS50P progressive scan player doesn't have that problem. What's up with the blurring?
Do you have DNR on?
Kris Deering 12-08-05, 07:35 PM Video 2 is an option in the OPDV971H. Kris tested the unit twice. Once for Video 1 (essentially NTSC) and again for Video 2 (essentially PAL). Video 2 is the only option for proper 2:2 Cadence with PAL discs (which is why this score is higher).
2-2 is a video cadence. Yes PAL discs use it a lot (because most PAL discs we've dumped the flags on are incorrectly flagged as video and not film). But 2-2 is not exclusive to PAL material. There are video based DVDs that are NTSC with a 2-2 cadence. Anything that was sourced at 30fps would essentially be 2-2.
burnatonce came through for me. thanks much
Damnationdoormat 12-08-05, 07:52 PM Hello folks, I have a Denon 2910 (firmware -8 MR) running on a Samsung 5085W DLP via HDMI @ 1080i and I've been pondering picking up the Oppo after seeing the fantastic score (it beat the 5910 *mind reels*) over at the benchmark. I'm kinda sore paying all that for the 2910, but damn, the Oppo seems just too tempting...
I've tweaked the player and DLP and I'm very pleased with the PQ now but will I really see a difference between the 2910 and the Oppo? 86 vs. 98?
I'm also interested in gaining better PAL PQ quality. The 2910 appears to play PAL correctly at 50Hz but seems to slice the 1080i setting down to 1920x540p when displaying PAL. Is this correct or a Denon problem?
Neuromancer 12-08-05, 07:58 PM 2-2 is a video cadence. Yes PAL discs use it a lot (because most PAL discs we've dumped the flags on are incorrectly flagged as video and not film). But 2-2 is not exclusive to PAL material. There are video based DVDs that are NTSC with a 2-2 cadence. Anything that was sourced at 30fps would essentially be 2-2.
Flagged NTSC 2:2 cadence fails (see: HQV and most video based DVDs), at least in all the testing I have done with the OPPO. So, according to my own tests, Video 2 is for PAL-land, and Video 1 is for NTSC-land. I would love you to prove me wrong.
wegaboy 12-08-05, 08:16 PM Do you have DNR on?
I turned on TrueLife but kept Noise Reduction off and it fixed the blurring. Thanks for your help!
Hello folks, I have a Denon 2910 (firmware -8 MR) running on a Samsung 5085W DLP via HDMI @ 1080i and I've been pondering picking up the Oppo after seeing the fantastic score (it beat the 5910 *mind reels*) over at the benchmark. I'm kinda sore paying all that for the 2910, but damn, the Oppo seems just too tempting...
I've tweaked the player and DLP and I'm very pleased with the PQ now but will I really see a difference between the 2910 and the Oppo? 86 vs. 98? The difference may not be immediately obvious. PQ may be very similar because they are both Faroudja players, but the OPPO's benefit comes from the Mediatek MPEG decoder chip.
The Denon bombs on chroma, pixel cropping, layer change and responiveness... all decoder-related. For the same reason, the OPPO is said to be slightly more detailed and possibly more color-accurate (but you would have fixed that with calibration). One or two others have made the switch from the Denon 2910, but only you can decide whether the OPPO is worth the extra cash.
Hello folks, I have a Denon 2910 (firmware -8 MR) running on a Samsung 5085W DLP via HDMI @ 1080i and I've been pondering picking up the Oppo after seeing the fantastic score (it beat the 5910 *mind reels*) over at the benchmark. I'm kinda sore paying all that for the 2910, but damn, the Oppo seems just too tempting...
I've tweaked the player and DLP and I'm very pleased with the PQ now but will I really see a difference between the 2910 and the Oppo? 86 vs. 98?
I'm also interested in gaining better PAL PQ quality. The 2910 appears to play PAL correctly at 50Hz but seems to slice the 1080i setting down to 1920x540p when displaying PAL. Is this correct or a Denon problem?
Get the Oppo. I can't tell you that you'll like it better than the Denon since I haven't tried the 2910 myself, but the Oppo has enough going for it that it is worth the trouble to buy the Oppo and compare it to your Denon, and then if the Oppo for you is not what you were expecting, you can send it back. All you lose is a little time and the cost of postage, well worth finding out if the Oppo will be an improvement. And remember that the Oppo just keeps getting better with time, the Denon is probably all it's ever gonna be right now.
One other thing about the Secrets score for the Oppo: even though it beats the Denon 5910 and 3910, Kris Deering has stated in another thread that he still thinks the Denons (and a few other players) are superior to the Oppo as a whole; the scores are just one aspect of the overall quality of a DVD player.
But I would say that if you factor in the picture quality of the Oppo and also factor price into the equation, the Oppo is dollar for dollar the greatest DVD player ever made. And with HD DVD not far away, the Oppo is just good enough that it is the last DVD player I ever plan to buy, no matter what new wonder machine comes along.
Bytehoven 12-08-05, 10:23 PM Hello folks, I have a Denon 2910 , but damn, the Oppo seems just too tempting...
I think you will see the biggest difference between the 2910 and OPPO...
1) The OPPO's ability to turn sharpness LOW & OFF, allows for a drastic reduction in edge/line noise I saw on the 2910 & 3910. Turning the OPPO sharpness to medium, gives back the missing noise, for those who prefer the EE allusion of sharpness. I would also note the OPPO has a very clean signal, beyond the elimination of edge/line noise.
2) The OPPO noise reduction works well in MEDIUM and LOW. Hi is just a little too much, with very apparent ghosting. While the OPPO might benefit from some additional NR controls, the selection chosen by OPPO is pretty good. I have recommended a future software update tweak both MEDIUM and HIGH to be just a little more PQ friendly.
3) The OPPO is a very quick navigator, which a big change from the Denons.
4) The OPPO Brightness & Contrast controls offer a wonderful range of adjustment for calibration on PC RGB and Studio RGB based displays. The Denons have just the Enhanced HDMI Black mode, which is not as elegant a solution.
Bottom line for me... I have owned the 2910, 3910 and now the OPPO. Unless I wanted the advanced analog audio capabilities of the 3910, the OPPO is the best deal IMHO.
Happy shopping
PS... with the recent new remote upgrade by OPPO, I have one less complaint with the 971H.
Damnationdoormat 12-08-05, 11:02 PM 1) The OPPO's ability to turn sharpness LOW & OFF, allows for a drastic reduction in edge/line noise I saw on the 2910 & 3910. Turning the OPPO sharpness to medium, gives back the missing noise, for those who prefer the EE allusion of sharpness. I would also note the OPPO has a very clean signal, beyond the elimination of edge/line noise.
4) The OPPO Brightness & Contrast controls offer a wonderful range of adjustment for calibration on PC RGB and Studio RGB based displays. The Denons have just the Enhanced HDMI Black mode, which is not as elegant a solution.
So the sharpness control is different from the Denon's sharpness Mid/High controls? I personally don't think the Denon's Pic/Adj sharpness setting don't work over HDMI, I see no difference from -6 to +6. Good to hear the Oppo seems to have a better handle on this.
Are the brightness/contrast controls for the Oppo are different (or better adjusted) from the Denon's Pic/Adj controls and Gamma graph?
Thanks for the advice guys. I'm probably going to opt for the Oppo within the month. Especially considering the price point and as noted the constant attention to the player's advancement and betterment via firmware. Feels assuring rather than having a company seemingly dump a player with few or spaced out firmware updates that adjust little to nothing noticable. I have also been planning on this being my last player purchase until the next generation.
Damnationdoormat 12-08-05, 11:11 PM Also I didn't see if this was addressed prior but could the Oppo ever reach a "perfect" score in Kris Deering's tests via future firmware updates? I imagine the correction of the Faroudja's recovery time could perhaps be a little difficult to deal with.
Bytehoven 12-08-05, 11:18 PM The Denon sharpness controls don't work on the digital outputs.
Damnationdoormat 12-08-05, 11:41 PM Figured as much. :)
Martin Butler 12-09-05, 08:56 AM Damnationdoormat, Bytehoven, I had the Denon 3910 and found it's pq to be very slightly better than the OPPO. I was using DVI out and perhaps it was some form of false enhancement that was seducing me, I don't know. The 3910 seemed to handle lateral pans better and was a hair sharper. This is from my memory and not a side by side comparison. That said, I found the OPPO's audio quality preferable to the 3910. It plainly is more intelligible. I've had the mighty Pioneer 9500 for a while also, and it sounded great but the pq was definitely not as good as either the Denon or the OPPO.
Lately I've become very comfortable watching the OPPO and it seems quite filmlike, in fact it almost reminds me of a D-ILA pq somehow. OPPO needs to correct the underscanning quirk, as well as the lip sync issues before I would crown it king of the hill, but it's truly a contender IMO and that's amazing at this price point.
Neuromancer 12-09-05, 04:38 PM Martin Butler,
How does the OPPO sound compared to the Denon? I used to own a Denon 1920, and I found the center channel to be very shallow. This was so distracting that I immediately sold it and got an OPPO (lucky me). Do the higher end Denons sound any better, the same as, or worse than the OPDV971H?
RaginCajun92 12-09-05, 05:05 PM I note the current firmware release is for black remote users ONLY. I don't use the original remote as I have a Harmony remote. Will this firmware have negative effects on my Harmony? BTW, I just ordered the black remote from Oppo and should arrive anyday now.
Neuromancer 12-09-05, 05:39 PM I note the current firmware release is for black remote users ONLY. I don't use the original remote as I have a Harmony remote. Will this firmware have negative effects on my Harmony? BTW, I just ordered the black remote from Oppo and should arrive anyday now.
You will need to program (download) the black remote commands for the Harmony. Once that is completed, you can switch to the 1111B firmware.
Right now your buttons will not be mapped properly, as the Silver and Black remotes have different IR codes.
RaginCajun92 12-09-05, 05:45 PM You will need to program (download) the black remote commands for the Harmony. Once that is completed, you can switch to the 1111B firmware.
Right now your buttons will not be mapped properly, as the Silver and Black remotes have different IR codes.
Gotcha, makes sense. I thought a separate firmware for the silver remotes was going to be released shortly after the black remote firmware?
Neuromancer 12-09-05, 06:04 PM Gotcha, makes sense. I thought a separate firmware for the silver remotes was going to be released shortly after the black remote firmware?
That was the plan, but OPPO hasn't released it yet. Most likely their engineers are working hard on a new firmware before Christmas rolls around, and have not had time to impliment the Silver remote for the 1111B firmware. Or they are forcing the purchase of new remotes *duh duh duh!*
Martin Butler 12-09-05, 07:33 PM Neuromancer, the OPPO is superior to the Denon 3910 I owned. I have 31 years professional experience in audio and although I'm certainly not a leading authority I can speak with some confidence in my judgement. Simply put, vocals and the human voice are clearer on the OPPO. Intelligibility is a very important factor when watching movies. It sucks when you miss what someone's saying, rewind twice and then still can't understand what's being said. No, the OPPO's not going to be a new audiophile favorite like the Pioneer 9500 was, but it sure is quite tolerable and an amazing value. Now, if it only played SACD's....
sharkshark 12-09-05, 09:34 PM fyi, I may be the first Canadian to actually receive their upgraded remote from Oppo. I ordered two (the extra for my friend who bought a unit same time as me) and they came a week to the day after ordering, far better than most shipments from the US, USPS expedited or no.
Before swtiching to the black remote code (I only had the original grey one) I played with the buttons and found that pushing the up arrow would cycle between pal/auto/ntsc, not something I knew the remote could do. If this is old news, my bad, but it may be of interest to those that might want to tap those remote codes into a universal if, for whatever reason, you need to quickly switch between those modes.
As mentioned many times, it's basically the same look and feel as my other remote, except much more comfortable in the hand and substantial in build. Well worth the simple cost of shipping just to have another remote handy, and to have the latest features that'll be incorporated into future firmware. Once again, kudos to Oppo!
i downgradded my filmware, and i have the new remote, it does not work, is there a fix for this??? thanks
Paul Bigelow 12-10-05, 12:09 AM sharkshark,
The old remote can cause the Oppo to perform some functions but the key mapping is all out of order. The PAL/AUTO/NTSC is a function of the P/N button on the remote.
Paul
Paul Bigelow 12-10-05, 12:16 AM HALL24,
The procedure:
Change Remote Function (black and 3rd remote users):
1. Turn on your DVD player and display device.
2. Eject any disc that may be inside of the DVD player. Remove the disc and close the tray.
3. Wait for the display message "No Disc" to appear in the upper left corner of your display device.
4. Press and hold (hard) the Stop button on the front panel of the DVD unit (NOT THE REMOTE) for 5 seconds. Release.
The message "New RC" will appear briefly in the upper left hand corner of your display unit.
Documented here (within the first post):
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=4924650&&#post4924650
and here:
http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_1022_download.html
if you downleveled to 1022.
Paul
sharkshark 12-10-05, 12:59 AM ...ah, yes, that cryptic p/n button...
Of course the buttons were remapped, but I thought I discovered a new, undocumented button. Alas, not so...:) Dd the stop button thing as above and worked like a charm, I just had wanted to play around before the switch for the heck of it...
HuskerHarley 12-10-05, 11:20 AM OK,,,,,,I have the SILVER REMOTE,Should I/everyone get the new remote?
HH
steviec 12-10-05, 04:23 PM YES! and check to make sure you have the newest firmware.
thanks paul, i need to read better i was holding stop on the remote.
sharkshark,
Do you see MB on your sony.
Just receiver my new Oppo with what I assume is the latest firmware.
Outstanding picture quality rendered from an HP 65 inch DLP. I watched a Superbit DVD last night, just excellent quality. Best I've ever seen from this class of DVD player, both audio and video.
I only recently heard of these Superbit DVDs. Has anyone run across a site online that sells them at the most reasonable price, or is it just a matter of waiting for sales at Best Buy and the like?
Thanks
From the Oppo web page to order the new remote:
Please note all OPDV971H DVD players shipped after Dec 1st , 2005 come with new remotes already.
So you're OK.
Actually, I notice now my Packing Slip info from Oppo is dated Dec 1, 2005. I guess Oppo is actually coorect, or may be correct. Since I was not shipped my DVD player AFTER Dec 1, but on Dec 1, I get the old remote.
I certainly have a silver one. Probably the last person to get one. Oh well, $9 (international). My dog has to buy me a Christmas present anyway :)
Just receiver my new Oppo with what I assume is the latest firmware.
Outstanding picture quality rendered from an HP 65 inch DLP. I watched a Superbit DVD last night, just excellent quality. Best I've ever seen from this class of DVD player, both audio and video.
I only recently heard of these Superbit DVDs. Has anyone run across a site online that sells them at the most reasonable price, or is it just a matter of waiting for sales at Best Buy and the like?
Thanks
Superbit discs have been around for a while now. Unfortunately, selection is limited.
Anyplace that sells DVDs sells superbit discs. Amazon and most online stores. sell them.
Actually, I notice now my Packing Slip info from Oppo is dated Dec 1, 2005. I guess Oppo is actually coorect, or may be correct. Since I was not shipped my DVD player AFTER Dec 1, but on Dec 1, I get the old remote.
I certainly have a silver one. Probably the last person to get one. Oh well, $9 (international). My dog has to buy me a Christmas present anyway :)
I got mine the end of Nov., via Amazon. Interestingly (and luckily), it has older firmware. Needless to say, it came with a black remote. I ordered the new remote with expidited shipping a week ago- it still hasn't arrived yet. :(
I'm a little confused as to this old and new remote for the Oppo OPDV971H.
My remote has a silver back, but a black front. Do I have the old or new remote. I see no other obvious model numbers on the remote.
Thanks
Paul Bigelow 12-11-05, 11:42 AM Lexx,
If the remote is silver and black AND has "glow in the dark buttons" then it is the latest remote. Here is a picture of it:
New Oppo remote (http://www.oppodigital.com/proddetail.asp?prod=971Remote)
If the remote is silver and black AND has clear "read through" buttons then it is the second version remote.
Paul
plumberman 12-11-05, 11:56 AM Your local Best Buy or even Best Buy online has a fairly good assortment of these superbit dvd's. Their price is also very reasonable.
plumberman - Thank you
Paul Bigelow - Thank you
buckman1 12-11-05, 01:40 PM Man, I just got my oppo a bit over a week ago direct and had the same scare as others... I have a silver remote with black top and glow buttons. Thanks to the picture above, I see I must have the latest?
What's a superbit dvd? I have never heard of this. Is this some special DVD with better (less compressed) PQ? Does BlockBuster rent them? ;)
So, like many others, I don't notice any difference between the default 560p that the oppo starts out in, and the 720p or 1080i when I switch. I did verify on my AE700 that its indeed in those resolutions. I'll admit, though, that I am looking at it on a white wall, so perhaps the difference will be clearer once I get a screen? Still trying to figure out what screen to get that will go good with my AE700 and a mid-level ambient room. It seems the DaLite HCCD is the way to go, but I can't find any info on it. Waiting for Jason at AVS to reply and help me out there.
Is there anything special I should know about the oppo that maybe I have missed? Some special modes or something I should be doing, or some fine tuning that I should do to make it even better?
Is there a macroblocking issue with the latest? I only watched a couple of movies and haven't noticed anything.
Is there a lipsync issue if I am using the DVI to my HDMI input and optical to the receiver?
Sorry for all the questions, I been reading this forum like crazy the past few weeks and have come across all these issues that I never thought twice about before. So now I am starting to be anal about my dvd/PQ/screen thanks to you guys. :D
What's a superbit dvd? I have never heard of this. Is this some special DVD with better (less compressed) PQ?
I watched my first Superbit DVD last night. Bought it at Best Buy, I'd never heard of them before either, but WOW, what a difference. Watched The 5th Element on an Oppo player with the latest firmware update.
The picture quality is definately better, close to HD, certainly better than some HD programming.
The DTS sound track is phenomenal. Didn't know my stereo system could actually sound that good with a DVD track.
You are correct. There is far less compression. They take masters and encode movies at double the normal bit rate. There are no extra features as a Superbit DVD uses all the space on the DVD.
Best Buy doesn't seem to have a special section for them, they are just scattered with the other selections, but they are all in silver sleeves/boxes.
Bytehoven 12-11-05, 03:12 PM Sorry for all the questions ...
The only setting I recommend changing...
Sharpness - OFF or LOW
Truelife - OFF
NR - OFF
CCS - OFF
If you have D-1111b installed, Contrast/Brightness can be set to 0/0.
Screen type: I have both a Da-Lite High Power pull down, and a ultra flat white wall as my viewing screens. I use the HP for personal viewing from the sweet spot. I use the white wall for larger HT crowds so everyone gets a good image. My front wall is painted black with the 80" flat white screen behind the 92" High Power pull down.
I do not see any MB with my HS-51 LCD projector.
I have mixed lip sync issues. I can go for several films and not see anything. Then just last night, Revenege of the Sith went out of sync. Hitting stop and the play solved the issue, with the movie picking up right were it left off. I am also using the optical output.
buckman1 12-11-05, 09:12 PM Bytehoven,
Very interesting indeed. I still tend to think the fact that my wall is pure white but uses textured paint, that somehow the various textures may scatter the light in all directions and that is why I may not see such a bright picture? It's the standard textured paint job in rentals, apartments, etc. Just a guess, but I would think that may be why. I am still thinking of just painting the wall flat gray and living without a screen until we move. I'll have to repaint it white again with texture, something I am not looking forward to doing too much. Do you recommend a specific color for the LCD Panny AE700? I read flat gray or matte gray coloring is best? That would save me probably $300 or so on buying a screen and building a shelf to hang the screen from.
sharkshark 12-11-05, 09:20 PM sharkshark,
Do you see MB on your sony.
short answer: no
long answer: The only time I've ever seen actual full on diagnosed macroblocking from a faroudja player was when I was leaning towards the S97. A firmware update-challenged unit was hooked up at my local store to a Panny plasma. I put in the old Ben Hur disc (notorious for macroblocking) and saw huge squares as the MGM logo faded in from black. I'm a web guy, so I'm familiar enough with JPEG artifacting to pick it up right away in more subtle environs, but these blocks were big on the 50+" Plasma.
The first thing I tested on the Oppo out of the box was this transition - nada, perfectly smooth transition, no trouble whatsoever. Phew!
My Sony RPTV is calibrated as well as I can, and the black/white levels are quite pleasing to my eye, with the grey ramps pretty much all the way up and down on AVIA/DVE. I've never once seen macroblocking of the kind that I saw on that plasma after what ammounts to probably 300+ discs that I've had on the unit since purchase.
I -have- seen slipping of audio synch (unaffected, it seems, by the stand bys "stop/restart" and "change audio delay"), but this one major pic issue has not yet been a problem.
Ironically, the last disc I watched has exhibited a bit of chunkiness on transitions from black - Criterion's "Spartacus". On some of the disolves, I've noticed a bit of picture breakup, nothing major, it's just that the transition's a bit less elegant than it perhaps should be. Is this macroblocking? Maybe, but I doubt it. Checking on my (crap) 30" CRT with an RP-65 didn't show similar breakup, but, hell, there's enough wrong with the pic that I probably wouldn't be able to tell anyway.
I've used Chapter 18 as the test case - on the Oppo, I get a bit of artifacting in teh black areas, the transition of the picture from black isn't as smooth as in other parts of the film. Frame-by-frame advance shows quite a bit of digital noise, not the pixelation made by huge chunks, but more a stippled graininess causing the image to apear blotchy. When the pic comes up to full luminosity there's no continued evidence of this "noise".
My settings, of course, have noise reduction Off, brightness set to -3, etc.
On my '82, the picture on my TV is still quite a bit darker at base settings (my TV is now set to the Oppo as it's my primary player). That being said, the transition from black to picture seems smooteh, and frame-by-frame advance shows the image as black for longer before you can see detail, but when the detail comes in there's no evidence of this blotchiness.
Mastering problems? Maybe, but it is Criterion running off 65mm prints. Source material problems? More likely, god knows the film has been through a lot. Quirk of the Oppo? Yeah, maybe as well. It looks the same, for what it's worth, at 480p as well, and ramping up noise reduction did little other than making the normal pic look softer.
"Hey, Billy, do you like Gladiator films?" :) Ironic if both these flicks, tied together thematically, prove to be interesting test cases in dagnosing macroblocking on this, um, unit.
Bytehoven 12-11-05, 11:55 PM Bytehoven,
Very interesting indeed. I still tend to think the fact that my wall is pure white but uses textured paint, that somehow the various textures may scatter the light in all directions and that is why I may not see such a bright picture? It's the standard textured paint job in rentals, apartments, etc. Just a guess, but I would think that may be why. I am still thinking of just painting the wall flat gray and living without a screen until we move. I'll have to repaint it white again with texture, something I am not looking forward to doing too much. Do you recommend a specific color for the LCD Panny AE700? I read flat gray or matte gray coloring is best? That would save me probably $300 or so on buying a screen and building a shelf to hang the screen from.
I used a flat white painted wall for a long time. Since my viewing distance is only 11', many screens I tried, exhibited a pattern or sparkle I could see. The High Power does not.
My wall is dry wall, as smooth as a baby's bottom. If you can not see the texture pattern on a bright white screen, I would not worry about it being perfectly smooth. The nature of a flat white or gray, makes for a very even reflective surface, which a little pattern will not hurt... so long as you do not see the pattern.
One alternative you might consider if you can see the pattern on your walls... buy a 4' x 8' sheet of foam core to use as a screen. You can then repaint with a flat white or gray, and add a nice black mask around the edges. I found white foam core had a very uneven reflective coating, and could not be used "as is". You could mount the foam core with decent two sided tape or adhesive velcro strips.
Ultra flat white is easier regarding a good white balance / color temp. When you start drifting to gray, you will want to make sure you are using a very neutral gray color. You might want to check out the DIY Screens forum, and see what folks are using for their DIY gray screens.
As I mentioned in my other post, I like having the two screens. The High Power is simply amazing when viewed from the sweet spot. Daylight scenes look like daylight, and the extra punch did not do too much damage to my black levels.
Good luck
buckman1 12-12-05, 12:19 AM Byte... can you point me to info on the screen you refer to? How much was it, what size, etc?
Thanks.
HuskerHarley 12-12-05, 09:33 AM BOC is very good and cheap for DIY screen IMO.
HH
Bytehoven 12-12-05, 11:25 AM Byte... can you point me to info on the screen you refer to? How much was it, what size, etc?
Thanks.
If you are refering to the High Power, it's a 16x9 format 45"x80" = 92" diagonal, but they come in larger sizes. I bought it from our forum host AVS. They had the best price and I did check around, even on Ebay. It was $255 shipped.
I could have saved maybe $50 buying a used screen, but I could not find exactly what I wanted.
Hagendos 12-12-05, 12:13 PM Superbit discs have been around for a while now. Unfortunately, selection is limited.
Part of the reason is only Columbia Tri-Star titles are released on Superbit DVDs. I have many of the titles, "Missing", "Leon", "Underworld" and "The Patriot" are exceptional. "Das Boot" and "Johnny Mnemonic" are pretty good as well, although "Johnny" doesn't use much of the disk space.
One of the reasons, I think, that more titles aren't released on Superbit or some other equivalent technology is that the average DVD purchaser is more impressed by the extras they cram on some disks, than video quality. Most people are watching DVDs on cheapo players via composit or S-Video to CRTs that haven't been calibrated in any way. I was at friends house this weekend and we watched "Riddick" on his setup. I couldn't believe how bad it looked. I took his remote and messed with the picture settings a bit, he was amazed that they could even be adjusted.
Perhaps as more people get HD displays and players like the Oppo they will begin to demand better quality DVDs. Playing a well masterd DVD in a quality rig like the Oppo shows that we can go pretty far with that format and to heck with this Blue-Ray / HD-DVD rivalry. :)
DanTana 12-12-05, 01:39 PM Quick question, I see where on the Extremephono website the new players ship with firmware 1122, yet on Oppo's site they only list the 1111B as the lastest firmware. What does the 1122 firmware fix over the 1111B one? I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one and just wanted to know what the 1122 has over the 1111B.
Thanks
rwestley 12-12-05, 01:53 PM DanTana you might want to Call Mike and Surf Audio Video, He is also an Oppo dealer and he often contributes to the forums. He can answer all your questions regarding firmware. Even if you don't order from his company.
Neuromancer 12-12-05, 02:04 PM Neuromancer, the OPPO is superior to the Denon 3910 I owned. I have 31 years professional experience in audio and although I'm certainly not a leading authority I can speak with some confidence in my judgement. Simply put, vocals and the human voice are clearer on the OPPO. Intelligibility is a very important factor when watching movies. It sucks when you miss what someone's saying, rewind twice and then still can't understand what's being said. No, the OPPO's not going to be a new audiophile favorite like the Pioneer 9500 was, but it sure is quite tolerable and an amazing value. Now, if it only played SACD's....
Interesting. I know what you mean about the intelligibility of spoken audio. Whenever I used to watch british films with my buddies, they always requested that I turned on English subtitles, because they couldn't understand a damned thing they were hearing. Now, it is only the most extreme case where I have to use a subtitle or rewind feature to catch some missed dialogue.
Dixie Flatline 12-12-05, 02:28 PM Quick question, I see where on the Extremephono website the new players ship with firmware 1122, yet on Oppo's site they only list the 1111B as the lastest firmware. What does the 1122 firmware fix over the 1111B one? I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one and just wanted to know what the 1122 has over the 1111B.
Thanks
Well, Oppo often does start shipping players with a given firmware version before they release it on the website, but I'd guess this is a typo and they mean 1022. Extremephono's page is talking about the new Secrets review, which was done, I believe, with the 1022 firmware. I think this is a typo/brain-fart on their part, since we've never heard anything else about an 1122 firmware version.
Bytehoven 12-12-05, 02:28 PM I'm about ready to pull the trigger on one and just wanted to know what the 1122 has over the 1111B.
Thanks
OPPO digital response:
The 1111B firmware on our website is the extremephono 1122, as the 1111B
firmware was released November 22.
Best Regards,
Customer Service
OPPO Digital, Inc.
453 Ravendale Dr, Suite D
Mountain View, CA 94043
Service@oppodigital.com
Tel: 650-961-1118
Fax: 650-961-1119
Hi folks, I apologize in advance for not reading all 173 pages of this thread. I am looking to get a good inexpensive DVD player to use until the Blu-Ray / HD-DVD issue gets resolved. I will be running the DVD player into a Denon 4806 receiver with HDMI/DVI switching to a a Pioneer 50" Plasma. Are there any issues associated with this equipment mix? Where is the best place to buy the player?
TIA
Stash
rwestley 12-12-05, 03:08 PM The Oppo is a great upscailing player. I would support Surf Audio Video. MikeSRC is a fourm member and he has made great posts that have helped many.
Bytehoven 12-12-05, 03:08 PM Hi folks, I apologize in advance for not reading all 173 pages of this thread. Where is the best place to buy the player? Stash
Come on...
It won't take that long to read the thread, and you'll practically become an OPPO expert when you are done.
Also consider the effort we have all made to post the information.
READ THE THREAD. ;-)
You could also do a search on your display and just the DVD forum, and see what comes up.
A great place to buy the OPPO is either from the manufacturer, their EBAY website if you want a refurbished unit, or maybe someplace like Amazon which offers free shipping.
DanTana 12-12-05, 07:31 PM Thanks for your replies, I did call and ordered one today, I got the refurbished model for $40.00 less. I've been wanting a upscaling DVD for sometime now and so far, none have impressed me like this one has, at least for that kind of money. If it wasn't for this forum, I might of went and bought some POS. Keep up the great work guys!!
shogo33 12-12-05, 07:39 PM Guys..any idea when will Oppo release the next firmware update. I'm keen on waiting to see if this release will fix the polarity sync for PAL where any upscaling done..ie: 720 & 1080i seems to cause an image shift to the left etc..
Also, will Oppo be releasing firmware updates for its users who have the old silver remote?.. or is this a step to force Oppo owners to fork out $$$ just to get another remote??
Neuromancer 12-12-05, 07:48 PM Guys..any idea when will Oppo release the next firmware update. I'm keen on waiting to see if this release will fix the polarity sync for PAL where any upscaling done..ie: 720 & 1080i seems to cause an image shift to the left etc..
Also, will Oppo be releasing firmware updates for its users who have the old silver remote?.. or is this a step to force Oppo owners to fork out $$$ just to get another remote??
The question to both: no one knows, not even OPPO. I theorize that a new silver remote IR has not been put into the new firmware for the simple reason that their resources are already spread very thin. We are talking about three major undertakings (audio-sync, PAL polairty, underscanning) with the addition of many minor fixes. Add to this that you need engineers to work on new products, and OPPO is flying Mach 2 on fumes.
I would love a Christmas miracle to solve all the major problems, but it is looking highly unlikely.
Does the remote have the capability to skip either back or forward 10 seconds in a movie? I find the replay (skip back 10 seconds) feature on my current player very useful.
Has this question been answered anywhere? I also miss the 'replay' function I had on my old player.
SteelyFan 12-12-05, 09:53 PM I tried reading through this thread (and some others) but have just become more confused than I was before on two things - remote version & brightness
1. Remote version - I have lost track of the remote names and descritions - balck, silver, old, new, original, lit-buttons, etc. How many of these things are there? The reason I ask is I just bought an Oppo and asked them to revert to D-1022 firmware to avoid the shift issue. Can I use the latest remote that comes with it to up the firmware to D-1111B if I so desired?
2. With the 1022 firmware is the correct setting for Brightness -3? With 1111B, will the correct setting be 0? The reason I ask this is that the release notes mention that 0 in the new firmware is equivalent of +5 on the old. So all this is not adding up to me.
Thanks and sorry in advance is this is answered in a FAQ somewhere.
I tried reading through this thread (and some others) but have just become more confused than I was before on two things - remote version & brightness
1. Remote version - I have lost track of the remote names and descritions - balck, silver, old, new, original, lit-buttons, etc. How many of these things are there? The reason I ask is I just bought an Oppo and asked them to revert to D-1022 firmware to avoid the shift issue. Can I use the latest remote that comes with it to up the firmware to D-1111B if I so desired?
Remote #1 (oldest) - small Silver with small opaque glow buttons
Remote #2 (middle) - rectangular Black with clear buttons (I never had this one)
Remote #3 (newest) - ergonomic shaped with Black top (Silver back) with opaque glow buttons
2. With the 1022 firmware is the correct setting for Brightness -3? With 1111B, will the correct setting be 0? The reason I ask this is that the release notes mention that 0 in the new firmware is equivalent of +5 on the old. So all this is not adding up to me.
Thanks and sorry in advance is this is answered in a FAQ somewhere.
With the 1022 firmware, people had their brightness settings anywhere from -8 to -3, depending on their display. The number varies because everyone's display has (or hasn't) beeing calibrated differently (specifically to reduce macroblocking issues)... but that's the ballpark. With the 1111B firmware, leaving the player at 0 and adjusting display accordingly seems to be fine.
-Terry
SteelyFan 12-12-05, 10:13 PM Terry,
Thanks for clearing it that up!
Since my new Oppo will come with the latest remote and (by my request) the D-1022 firmware, does that mean that I cannot install the D-1111B firmware (if I so decided)? D-111B seems to be for one of the older remotes only.
I'm sure later firmware updates will eventually be using the latest remote.
Neuromancer 12-12-05, 10:29 PM Terry,
Thanks for clearing it that up!
Since my new Oppo will come with the latest remote and (by my request) the D-1022 firmware, does that mean that I cannot install the D-1111B firmware (if I so decided)? D-111B seems to be for one of the older remotes only.
I'm sure later firmware updates will eventually be using the latest remote.
The 1111B is for Black remotes ONLY. They are just using the Revision 2 remote as an example of what you should have for the firmware, but you can use the Revision 3 remote. You just can't use the Revision 1 (all Silver) remote with the 1111B firmware.
SteelyFan 12-12-05, 10:52 PM The 1111B is for Black remotes ONLY. They are just using the Revision 2 remote as an example of what you should have for the firmware, but you can use the Revision 3 remote. You just can't use the Revision 1 (all Silver) remote with the 1111B firmware.
Ahhh.. Got it! It all makes sense now :)
Paul Bigelow 12-12-05, 11:31 PM Has this question been answered anywhere? I also miss the 'replay' function I had on my old player.
No replay function. Nice function to have though. I'll add it to the "wishlist" on the FAQ thread.
Paul
DodgeViper 12-13-05, 07:11 AM Has anyone purchased the OPPO from Amazon? They offer free shipping but I am not sure if your getting the latest remote. On their website they have the image of the old remote.
Has anyone purchased the OPPO from Amazon? They offer free shipping but I am not sure if your getting the latest remote. On their website they have the image of the old remote.
I did. It came with a black remote, and older firmware. Its not a big deal. I had them send me a new remote, and I didn't upgrade the firmware due to compatability issues with the Sony LCOS.
J
rwestley 12-13-05, 09:15 AM I would try Surf Audo Video they will also offer free shipping if you call and they off better service than Amazon. MikeSRC is a frequent contributor to the AVS fourm.
gmannel 12-13-05, 09:27 AM Kudos to Oppo - Customer service is great - Had a slow loading problem start up on a Sat nite, emailed Oppo support on Sunday afternoon, got a response back in 30 minutes, on a SUNDAY!! Got promised RMA # Monday AM and a 24 hr turn around at the repair center. The "Big Boys" could learn somrthing here about cust care
The question to both: no one knows, not even OPPO. I theorize that a new silver remote IR has not been put into the new firmware for the simple reason that their resources are already spread very thin.
I asked Oppo directly if future firmwares would support the old silver remote and they told me yes. The only reason 1111B does not is that they were rushed to get it out and, as you said, their resources are stretched pretty thin right now.
My One-For-All universal remote only has the "silver" IR codes, so I am remaining with the 1022 firmware for the time being.
Although Oppo's new black remote is ergonomically and improvement over their last two, I still prefer my universal.
Neuromancer 12-13-05, 01:30 PM Josh Z,
This is the first time they have released a Black revision for customer download. They said shortly after this firmware came out that they were going to release a Silver/Black revision in the next week. But that was 2 weeks ago. So, even OPPO does not know when they will actually be releasing the 1111B firmware with the Silver IR codes.
Toonces T. Cat 12-13-05, 03:14 PM My One-For-All universal remote only has the "silver" IR codes, so I am remaining with the 1022 firmware for the time being.
Josh,
I will give the OFA folks a call later today to see if they have updated to the black codes yet.
-Toonces
TexasAggie 12-13-05, 04:21 PM Several months ago, I was about to buy an OPPO, but decided to wait until they got the lip sync issue resolved. I have read the last 10 pages or so since the 11/22 firmware upgrade and I mostly read about remote issues.
I have also read secrets lastest review and like what I read.
My last issue is the lip sync problem. Is the problem fixed so that you don't have to stop and restart to get rid of the problem?
RaginCajun92 12-13-05, 05:40 PM I just received the new black remote. I'm still a bit confused on what to do next. I want to get the latest "black only" firmware update and I understand the whole procedure for setting up the remote codes by pressing and holding the stop button on the player. But how does that change in IR codes translate to my Harmony Remote? Does the online Harmony remote database have the updated black remote codes?
Thanks,
Tom
simarddominic 12-13-05, 05:49 PM But how does that change in IR codes translate to my Harmony Remote? Does the online Harmony remote database have the updated black remote codes?
Thanks,
Tom
Excellent question! I am exactly in the same situation as you :confused:
LiteUp! 12-13-05, 06:12 PM I have only seen the lip sync issue once on my Oppo over hundreds of DVD's I have played. Even then, I paused it and it went away. Honestly, this is not a big issue. Other players seem to have much bigger problems with it.
Several months ago, I was about to buy an OPPO, but decided to wait until they got the lip sync issue resolved. I have read the last 10 pages or so since the 11/22 firmware upgrade and I mostly read about remote issues.
I have also read secrets lastest review and like what I read.
My last issue is the lip sync problem. Is the problem fixed so that you don't have to stop and restart to get rid of the problem?
My last issue is the lip sync problem. Is the problem fixed so that you don't have to stop and restart to get rid of the problem?Yes and no. OPPO introduced a 0-50ms audio delay feature that can help with constant delays. But the intermittent sync error still pops up from time to time (very rarely).
ira_alan 12-13-05, 10:30 PM The two black remotes use the same codes. I set up my 880 in early November. Harmony down-loaded what I guess were the codes for the earlier silver remote. I wound up teaching the Harmony all the codes from my black remote
RaginCajun92 12-13-05, 11:13 PM The two black remotes use the same codes. I set up my 880 in early November. Harmony down-loaded what I guess were the codes for the earlier silver remote. I wound up teaching the Harmony all the codes from my black remote
ok, that thought was crossing my mind that I would have to do that, a pain but I guess no other alternative. Thanks!
majorwest 12-14-05, 01:13 AM I did. It came with a black remote, and older firmware. Its not a big deal. I had them send me a new remote, and I didn't upgrade the firmware due to compatability issues with the Sony LCOS.
J
Did you get your new remote free? I just bought my Oppo on Dec 1 from Amazon but it came with the black remote and no DVI-HDMI cable. They sent me a new cable but I've been going round and round with Oppo trying to get the new remote...but they won't budge. I've only had mine ONE WEEK! That certainly falls within the 30-day purchase period policy. Hmm, what are some of you doing right that I apparently am not? :confused: Yes, it's only $5...but at my age I tend to be anal about these sort of things. :o
It wouldn't be a big deal except Oppo made me wait til I received my Oppo player before they would send out the new cable. Which means the extra money I spent at Amazon for expedited shipping was wasted as I had no way of hooking the player up until I received the new cable.
Sorry, just venting after a bad day.
Did you get your new remote free? I just bought my Oppo on Dec 1 from Amazon but it came with the black remote and no DVI-HDMI cable. They sent me a new cable but I've been going round and round with Oppo trying to get the new remote...but they won't budge. I've only had mine ONE WEEK! That certainly falls within the 30-day purchase period policy. Hmm, what are some of you doing right that I apparently am not? :confused: Yes, it's only $5...but at my age I tend to be anal about these sort of things. :o
It wouldn't be a big deal except Oppo made me wait til I received my Oppo player before they would send out the new cable. Which means the extra money I spent at Amazon for expedited shipping was wasted as I had no way of hooking the player up until I received the new cable.
Sorry, just venting after a bad day.
I just got a second Oppo for my bedroom (delivered the Monday after Thanksgiving) from HTMarket.com and it came with the old remote. I e-mailed Oppo last week and very nicely requested the new remote and let them know that I am a regular on this forum, and Oppo sent me out a new remote (after e-mailing them confirmation of my purchase) the next day for free. I also paid $5 to get a second remote for the unit I bought at the beginning of the year. I'm very surprised Oppo would not be willing to send you the new remote for free.
By the way, for anyone still in the market for the Oppo, HTMarket also has free shipping and they regularly e-mail me coupons (I used a $20 coupon to get my second unit). HTMarket also sent without asking both cables, DVI to DVI and DVI to HDMI.
blackbelt 12-14-05, 01:52 AM Ok from all the people that have this player it sounds like it is a good one. But how does it compare to higher end dvd players like denon 2910 and the like? Or is it a good player for the money?
Ok from all the people that have this player it sounds like it is a good one. But how does it compare to higher end dvd players like denon 2910 and the like? Or is it a good player for the money?
In terms of PQ the oppo fairs very favourably up to the denon 3910 (at least)--the denon obviously has better analogue audio, but some prefer the digital audio from the oppo. See this review here (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=124#Oppo%20DigitalOPDV971H%20(DVI))
As you can see, the oppo equals or out performs the best on PQ benchmark tests.
It isn't just a good player for the money, but that does help!
Dave
oh man, i just saw this thread 2 days after i brought my yamaha 5750 dvd player. How does this player compare to yamaha 5750. i know yamaha doesn't have dvi input, but i want to know the rest, like divx picture quality and such compare to yamaha 5750. i can still return yamaha 5750. :) Oh yeah, does anyone know if E50A10 has dvi input port? I'm not sure about it because i don't use dvi.
Ok from all the people that have this player it sounds like it is a good one. But how does it compare to higher end dvd players like denon 2910 and the like? Or is it a good player for the money?blackbelt, this has been answered a bunch of times already. Just search this thread for "2910" and read the results from the last few weeks. Also, as Dave has mentioned, check the SECRETS of Home Theater & HiFi DVD Benchmark (http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=all&type=DVD+Player&manufacturer=0&maxprice=0&deInt=0&mpeg=0) reviews to see how the 2910 stacks up against the OPPO.
I searched the thread and i was not able to find an answer to this. Has anyone tried upscaling xvid movie and what was the output!.
I have an HDTV Hitachti....excuse my spelling...and I would like to by a dvd upscaler and I am thinking of getting OPPO. but most of my content are movies that I download from the internet.
and has anyone compared it to this dvd player it almost has exactly the same features
HDV-880N High Definition Network DivX/DVD player
so I'd like to know please!
Muheeb
Did you get your new remote free? I just bought my Oppo on Dec 1 from Amazon but it came with the black remote and no DVI-HDMI cable. They sent me a new cable but I've been going round and round with Oppo trying to get the new remote...but they won't budge. I've only had mine ONE WEEK! That certainly falls within the 30-day purchase period policy. Hmm, what are some of you doing right that I apparently am not? :confused: Yes, it's only $5...but at my age I tend to be anal about these sort of things. :o
It wouldn't be a big deal except Oppo made me wait til I received my Oppo player before they would send out the new cable. Which means the extra money I spent at Amazon for expedited shipping was wasted as I had no way of hooking the player up until I received the new cable.
Sorry, just venting after a bad day.
No, I didn't get it free, even though I only had the player 2 weeks. I paid $9 for expidited shipping for the remote, but it took them a few days to ship it out and it still took about a week or so to arrive. Mine did come with a DVI-HDMI cable though.
Had an odd thing happen. The Oppos stopped recognizing remote commands properly. No firmware update for months. Called Oppo hit eject on the player and then stop on the player for 5 seconds and everything back to normal. Just thought I'd post since I didn't find this info searching, had to call tech support.
oh man, i just saw this thread 2 days after i brought my yamaha 5750 dvd player. How does this player compare to yamaha 5750. i know yamaha doesn't have dvi input, but i want to know the rest, like divx picture quality and such compare to yamaha 5750. i can still return yamaha 5750. :) Oh yeah, does anyone know if E50A10 has dvi input port? I'm not sure about it because i don't use dvi.
If you don't use DVI or HDMI, then don't bother getting the Oppo. Its best performance is over DVI.
blackbelt 12-14-05, 11:29 AM Hey DGKP and GSB thanks for the info. Reading through 173 pages of info is a bit much, but it is a good read. Thanks for the short cuts..
Mondrin 12-14-05, 01:30 PM Can anyone comment on the audio quality of this player? I'm still using a many year old Marantz (with only s-video output :eek: ) and have been waiting around for them to make an affordable player using the Faroudja chip. Since that seems like it will never happen I'm looking to get something that will take advantage of my sony HD CRT and have a layer change pause less than a couple seconds. I usually shy away from inexpensive players as their quality is questionable, but from all I've read on this player it seems to have trumped all the low and mid priced players. I may just order one and see how it does (and hoping the macroblocking problem won't be too visible on my display).
joe12south 12-14-05, 01:40 PM I haven't received mine, so I can't comment on the analog audio quality ... but I assume that the vast majority of people simply pass the digital bits to their receiver for processing, rendering the audio quality a moot point.
jimp444 12-14-05, 01:55 PM Has anyone purchased the OPPO from Amazon? They offer free shipping but I am not sure if your getting the latest remote. On their website they have the image of the old remote.
I was going to buy from Amazon because of the free shipping, but decided at the last minute to get mine directly from Oppo. I couldn't get any kind of confirmation from Amazon about the remote or the firmware, but the Oppo web page did state that that the models they were shipping included the latest firmware. It seemed worth the $20.00 to know I was getting the most up-to-date version of this player.
Can anyone comment on the audio quality of this player? I'm still using a many year old Marantz (with only s-video output :eek: ) and have been waiting around for them to make an affordable player using the Faroudja chip. Since that seems like it will never happen I'm looking to get something that will take advantage of my sony HD CRT and have a layer change pause less than a couple seconds. I usually shy away from inexpensive players as their quality is questionable, but from all I've read on this player it seems to have trumped all the low and mid priced players. I may just order one and see how it does (and hoping the macroblocking problem won't be too visible on my display).
I'm no audio expert, so I can't explain why this is so - but I find that this dvd player gets more out of my receiver/speakers than any other player I've ever used, and also better than what I get from my Comcast STB.
I purchased this unit for it's quality deinterlacer, but was pleasantly surprised at how well it drove my audio system. It makes it sound as if I just got a brand new, higher level, audio system.
I was going to buy from Amazon because of the free shipping, but decided at the last minute to get mine directly from Oppo. I couldn't get any kind of confirmation from Amazon about the remote or the firmware, but the Oppo web page did state that that the models they were shipping included the latest firmware. It seemed worth the $20.00 to know I was getting the most up-to-date version of this player.
I ordered mine from them for the same reason (in addition to the new remote), as well as, if I have problems or don’t like it, I can send it back within 30 days. I don’t want you to feel bad, but I talked with Mike this morning and got the coupon offer for free shipping. :p
I am going to set up my new Oppo tonight with my TDP-MT700. Are there any critical settings that I will need to change from the defaults? It would be great if one of you guys could save me some time even though I am sure I will have to tweak my settings.
Bytehoven 12-14-05, 03:32 PM Can anyone comment on the audio quality of this player? I'm still using a many year old Marantz (with only s-video output :eek: ) and have been waiting around for them to make an affordable player using the Faroudja chip. Since that seems like it will never happen I'm looking to get something that will take advantage of my sony HD CRT and have a layer change pause less than a couple seconds. I usually shy away from inexpensive players as their quality is questionable, but from all I've read on this player it seems to have trumped all the low and mid priced players. I may just order one and see how it does (and hoping the macroblocking problem won't be too visible on my display).
Welcome to AVS.
If you have some time to read through this long thread, you will see numerous posts on the excellent audio quality of the OPPO.
The OPPO is not without it's faults, but it is still a very compelling player. The $200 price tag just makes it even more compelling.
Mondrin 12-14-05, 04:33 PM I have now read a number of positive audio reviews on this unit. I've so far only seen one large negative on audio and that was in a review on a high end AV site (which I can't remember right now but may find again just for reference). I believe they were comparing it units priced way above this one (and above the $600 or so limit I originally started with) so it's not a big deal.
I placed my order today and will see how it compares to my old Marantz. I hope to be pleasantly suprised, if not blown away at the difference.
tycho55 12-14-05, 05:57 PM By the way, for anyone still in the market for the Oppo, HTMarket also has free shipping and they regularly e-mail me coupons (I used a $20 coupon to get my second unit). HTMarket also sent without asking both cables, DVI to DVI and DVI to HDMI.CJayB, if you don't mind me asking, what was the coupon code you used? Thanks so much!
JGDragov 12-14-05, 06:39 PM Has anyone paired this player with a NEC LT240K front PJ? If not, how about any projector that receives it's component and HD signals via it's VGA inputs?
I'm trying to determine if this player will still supply video using a DVI/VGA adapter. I figure anyone with a projector like I described will have already done this or attempted to.
Thanks.
Neuromancer 12-14-05, 08:06 PM Has anyone paired this player with a NEC LT240K front PJ? If not, how about any projector that receives it's component and HD signals via it's VGA inputs?
I'm trying to determine if this player will still supply video using a DVI/VGA adapter. I figure anyone with a projector like I described will have already done this or attempted to.
Thanks.
Unless you have a DVI to VGA Transcoder, you will not beable to use this DVD player to its full potential. The DVI output is DVI-D (digital), which means it does not carry an analog signal that can be interprested by your VGA adapter.
The Component output is 480i only, and is not processed by the Faroudja chipset, meaning you will get no motion-adaptive de-interlacing and other bells and whistles which makes the unit so great.
bruin95 12-14-05, 08:28 PM I was going to buy from Amazon because of the free shipping, but decided at the last minute to get mine directly from Oppo. I couldn't get any kind of confirmation from Amazon about the remote or the firmware, but the Oppo web page did state that that the models they were shipping included the latest firmware. It seemed worth the $20.00 to know I was getting the most up-to-date version of this player.
Well, you could have saved yourself $20 and updated the player yourself if it didn't come with the latest firmware. Updating is a very simple process.
I am going to set up my new Oppo tonight with my TDP-MT700. Are there any critical settings that I will need to change from the defaults? It would be great if one of you guys could save me some time even though I am sure I will have to tweak my settings.See the FAQ thread, and this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6722751&&#post6722751), written for the benefit of all newcomers.
Thanks GSB. Can anyone help me with the LCPM setting. What does it mean and how can I figure out if my receiver supports it. I am using a digital coax cable to a Sony DA4ES.
Martin Butler 12-15-05, 09:06 AM Has anyone noticed the new OPPO remote has it all backwards? The buttons used constantly, (stop, rewind, fast forward,etc.) are on the bottom, so you can't use one hand, whereas the buttons used infrequently (numbered buttons) are easy to reach with your thumb. DON'T THE PEOPLE DESIGNING THESE THINGS EVER TRY ACTUALLY USING THEM ????
I guess I''d better stop being lazy and try setting the OPPO for my universal remote. Does anyone know the learning code, or do I have to do one button at a time ?? I usually like trying the codes first and then tweaking individual buttons.
joe12south 12-15-05, 09:32 AM I think that there are codes in their FAQ.
Has anyone paired this player with a NEC LT240K front PJ? If not, how about any projector that receives it's component and HD signals via it's VGA inputs?
I'm trying to determine if this player will still supply video using a DVI/VGA adapter. I figure anyone with a projector like I described will have already done this or attempted to.
As Neuromancer says, the Oppo's output is DVD-D digital. You need more than an adaptor. You need a transcoder, or a video processor that can convert the digital signal to analog.
My Oppo is connected to an iScan-HD+ scaler and then run to an LT-240 (this week, anyway, new projector soon).
I would like to give a preliminary quick review of the Oppo I installed last night. I have a Toshiba TDP-MT700 that I connected via a DVI to HDMI cable (from pccables-nice cable btw). My former DVD palyer is a Zentih 318 that was connected 1080i over component..
All I can say is WOW!!! It just seems like this player has more POWER under the hood. Menus come up and change very fast compared to other players I have used. Colors out of the box were very close (I use AVIA) to correct but they were so much more vivid. Blues were really blue and reds were very red. Contrast/black levels seem better and resolution is defiantly better. Oppo, put me down as another happy customer. Great player.
P.S. I can still use some help with the above LCPM question.
One more question. What is the difference between video1 and video2?
Dixie Flatline 12-15-05, 11:33 AM One more question. What is the difference between video1 and video2?
See the release notes for firmware 1022 (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_1022_release_note.html), item 1.
Basically, Video 2 gives better deinterlacing performance for PAL discs, but screws up the analog outputs while watching them. If you're only using the DVI output, there's no reason not to use Video 2.
This is probably a stupid question - but what is a PAL disc?
Dixie Flatline 12-15-05, 11:41 AM This is probably a stupid question - but what is a PAL disc?
A DVD with PAL video (the format used in Europe and most of the rest of the world), instead of NTSC (North America and Japan). It has a different refresh rate and resolution, so the player needs to handle it differently.
If you're using North American (Region 1) DVDs, you don't need to worry about it. If you import any DVDs from Europe (Region 2) or elsewhere in the world, you'll need to set the Oppo to region-free mode (hit Setup-9-2-1-0, then 0) and make sure Video 2 mode is on.
Ja Phule 12-15-05, 11:43 AM DVDs from Korea and Hong Kong are also NTSC.
DVDs from Korea and Hong Kong are also NTSC.
Japan is also NTSC. Most of the rest of the world is PAL.
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