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Martin Butler
03-21-06, 09:04 PM
HiHoStevo, I've had the Sony 9000ES, the Denon 3910 and the Pioneer 9500 connected to my InFocus projector and carefully compared the 480i component signal to the DVI signal and DVI won every time. The closest call was with the Denon, there was only the slightest improvement with DVI. That tells me the DVD player itself has a lot to do with the picture quality, even if the projector is doing the deinterlacing and the scaling from a 480i input. Don't think I'll bother checking out OPPO's 480i.

Forgive me if I'm a llittle dense about following the signal path here :)

HiHoStevo
03-21-06, 09:38 PM
No problem Martin.......

Sounds like you have already done the testing and the Oppo over DVI won! :-)

I am thrilled......... makes me glad I decided to go with the Oppo.

HiHoStevo
03-21-06, 09:38 PM
No problem Martin.......

Sounds like you have already done the testing and the Oppo over DVI won! :-)

I am thrilled......... makes me glad I decided to go with the Oppo.

Thanks for taking the time and effort to make these comparisons

Martin Butler
03-28-06, 05:45 PM
I do miss the incredible audio of the Pioneer 9500 though. Funny, I prefer the OPPO's audio to the Denon. The OPPO sounds a bit hollow when compared to a high end piece like the Pioneer, but the Denon was a bit congested in the voice range which made dialogue unintelligible at times. The OPPO is clearer.

justsc
03-28-06, 06:08 PM
I do miss the incredible audio of the Pioneer 9500 though. Funny, I prefer the OPPO's audio to the Denon. The OPPO sounds a bit hollow when compared to a high end piece like the Pioneer, but the Denon was a bit congested in the voice range which made dialogue unintelligible at times. The OPPO is clearer.
I have been amazed at the improvement in audio I get from my Oppo. And I don't understand why this is so. From everything I've read here and elsewhere, most of the more experienced audio folks tend to view the Oppo's audio as "so so." I confess to having a very "run of the mill" home theater in a box. Nothing special, just a $200 Sony set-up. With my previous and decent progressive scan dvd player my audio was pretty good given the system. But with the Oppo, it sounds as if I have a brand new (higher end) audio system. I just don't get it. I'm using the digital connections from the Oppo to my receiver just like I did with my previous dvd player. Why is the Oppo sounding so much better?

Martin Butler
03-28-06, 06:35 PM
I'm using the coax out to my Arcam AVR300. The Arcam's processing is amazing, but it's still a mystery why the OPPO sounds better thhan the $1000 Denon to me.

dvill
03-29-06, 02:02 AM
I've got a strange issue with my oppo opdv971h. I was messing around with the setup and accidently chose pal from ntsc. Now a cannot get any video signal..I can get audio..but no video. Can anyone help? Thanks.

bruin95
03-29-06, 02:16 AM
I've got a strange issue with my oppo opdv971h. I was messing around with the setup and accidently chose pal from ntsc. Now a cannot get any video signal..I can get audio..but no video. Can anyone help? Thanks.

Well, simply, you can change it back to NTSC, but I guess you cannot see the setup menus, correct? I guess the thing to do is re-install the firmware. It should set the player back to it's factory presets.

rickie
03-29-06, 02:25 AM
I've got a strange issue with my oppo opdv971h. I was messing around with the setup and accidently chose pal from ntsc. Now a cannot get any video signal..I can get audio..but no video. Can anyone help? Thanks.
Here are the keystrokes using a remote:

pwr on
(make sure no dvd in player)
setup
right
right
right
right
down
select
up
select
setup

the right up and down refer to the arrows surrounding the selct button.

I think I have these correct

Rick

Rick

dgkp
03-29-06, 02:46 AM
I've got a strange issue with my oppo opdv971h. I was messing around with the setup and accidently chose pal from ntsc. Now a cannot get any video signal..I can get audio..but no video. Can anyone help? Thanks.


It's more simple. Eject the disc and use the p/n button to cycle through Pal Ntsc and Auto. Stop when you get a signal that says NTSC in the top left of the screen.

Dave

bitemymac
03-29-06, 02:59 AM
lol.... don't even need to eject disk. when dvd is in stop mode you can cycle through P/N or auto.

Josh Z
03-29-06, 09:45 AM
But with the Oppo, it sounds as if I have a brand new (higher end) audio system. I just don't get it. I'm using the digital connections from the Oppo to my receiver just like I did with my previous dvd player. Why is the Oppo sounding so much better?

Placebo effect.

Martin Butler
03-29-06, 10:02 AM
Placebo effect? Possible, but I doubt it. It's more likely that some connection has improved or speaker been moved slightly. Sometimes something as simple as pushing an rca plug in tightly changes everything. Well... my OPPO didn't sound like a whole new system at all. I'd say it sounds "satisfactory" for lack of a better word. I prefer it over the Denon 3910 mainly for improved clarity in dialogue. As for listening to CD's, it's OK, nothing special. Don't get me wrong though, "satisfactory" is a good thing and not easily found.

compgeek
03-29-06, 10:34 AM
Has anyone tried connecting the oppo opdv971h to a fujitsu 42" display. I am trying to decide if this my next player but am a little concerned.
Thanks for your input.

justsc
03-29-06, 11:05 AM
Placebo effect? Possible, but I doubt it. It's more likely that some connection has improved or speaker been moved slightly. Sometimes something as simple as pushing an rca plug in tightly changes everything. Well... my OPPO didn't sound like a whole new system at all. I'd say it sounds "satisfactory" for lack of a better word. I prefer it over the Denon 3910 mainly for improved clarity in dialogue. As for listening to CD's, it's OK, nothing special. Don't get me wrong though, "satisfactory" is a good thing and not easily found.
Placebo? Not possible.

The very first time I watched a dvd on the Oppo my whole family was with me. The instant the audio started it was patently obvious to all of us that this was something very different.

Mass halucination? Maybe, but not placebo.

Martin Butler
03-29-06, 11:22 AM
As I said justsc, I doubt it :)

Martin Butler
04-04-06, 02:41 AM
So, since it's been out for quite a while now and OPPO hasn't fixed the underscan yet, does this mean they probably never will?

Neuromancer
04-04-06, 02:50 AM
So, since it's been out for quite a while now and OPPO hasn't fixed the underscan yet, does this mean they probably never will?

Who knows. They have been trying to nick that whole audio-sync issue the past couple of months. You also have to remember that a future product is less than a month away from release, so the engineers are putting a lot of their effort into the new DVD player. Once resources clear up, we will see what OPPO can pull out of their hat.

Martin Butler
04-04-06, 11:56 AM
I wonder, will they release another product with lip-sync issues, underscan and heaven knows what else? Anyone know what new features the new player will have? I think it'll be SACD compatible.

Neuromancer
04-04-06, 12:21 PM
Martin Butler,

You can read about the OPDV970HD in the 970HD Rumor Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=619439&page=1&highlight=970h) and hands on with the BBK988 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=659943&highlight=970h). As far as an update to the OPDV971H is concerned, it will just be a OPDV971H with SACD and HDMI support.

It is likely that the same software problems in the current unit will be the same in the upcoming units because they will likely still be using the same exact MTK chipset that is found in the OPDV971H.

rickie
04-04-06, 06:30 PM
Martin Butler,

You can read about the OPDV970HD in the 970HD Rumor Thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=619439&page=1&highlight=970h) and hands on with the BBK988 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=659943&highlight=970h). As far as an update to the OPDV971H is concerned, it will just be a OPDV971H with SACD and HDMI support.

It is likely that the same software problems in the current unit will be the same in the upcoming units because they will likely still be using the same exact MTK chipset that is found in the OPDV971H.

Actually, I think that's good news. I was afraid that once their new machine hit the market, us 971 owners would be out of luck as far as any future FW fixes or updates.

Rick

73ChargerFan
04-04-06, 10:53 PM
I disagree. Oppo is soo gooood to us.... If the hardware is similar, they'll probably port back future firmware improvements. They take an unusually high level of pride at getting it right and keeping their product the best there can be.

And if they don't, the russians will.

yolatino
04-17-06, 01:39 PM
Hi everyone,

I'm very late in the game here and this thread is huge. So I will go ahead and ask anyways.

My situation
I'm contemplating buying this player for the main reason is HDCP free. I have a projector that claims to be HDCP compliant but it only works with the toshiba DVD players. I tried many players like the new Sony 75H, the Samsung HD860, LG511 and so on. All of then fail with my projector (HP vp6320). I can only play 480i because of HDCP hankshake (maybe). I did find the toshiba sdk850 and sd4990 work but didnt like the freezing problems they had at random.

The question:
Is this player still HDCP free? No sure if the have upgraded the player's firmware to enable the HDCP. If that is the case I can not buy this player. Also is it worth waiting for the next player OPPO is planning to release? provided is also HDCP free.

BTW the whole HDCP things really stinks. They are creating a lot of incompatibilities problems.

I posted this in the brain dump by accident, I hope this is the right forum for this question.

Heliosphann
04-17-06, 11:26 PM
Looking for a little advice...

Just got my first HDTV set, a Sony Wega 36" KD-36XS955. I've had the Oppo for awhile now, but finally I get to hook it up via DVI/HDMI!!!

So my question is, what settings should I use to watch my DVD's in: 480p, 720p or 1080p???

Also what about the Faroudja TrueLife settings?

Any help is welcome...

Thanks.

HiHoStevo
04-17-06, 11:32 PM
So my question is, what settings should I use to watch my DVD's in: 480p, 720p or 1080p???
Thanks.


ummmmm.... I don't think the Oppo does 1080p........

However, I believe the "native" setting for your television is 1080i so that is what I would suspect would be the best setting on the Oppo. The best rule is to try them all out and let your eyes decide.

Personally I leave Truelife off.... YMMV

Heliosphann
04-17-06, 11:52 PM
ummmmm.... I don't think the Oppo does 1080p........

However, I believe the "native" setting for your television is 1080i so that is what I would suspect would be the best setting on the Oppo. The best rule is to try them all out and let your eyes decide.

Personally I leave Truelife off.... YMMV

Thanks!

Yea, it's 1080i... I was thinking of Blue-Ray. :)

I am bummed though that my Dish Network via S-Video looks like total crap now...

HiHoStevo
04-18-06, 11:45 AM
Thanks!

Yea, it's 1080i... I was thinking of Blue-Ray. :)

I am bummed though that my Dish Network via S-Video looks like total crap now...

Helio..........

that is a common complaint after switching to a nice HD monitor... Every TV does not do the same job scaling the SDTV 480i signal to it's native resolution. I remember reading over in the display threads when Sony first brought out their 36" tube HDTV's that everyone was thrilled with how good HDTV looked, but SD looked like crap.... what this meant was that the scaler/de-interlacer that Sony put inside the TV was not very good.

If you can borrow a Dish HD receiver try letting the receiver scale the SDTV content to 1080i before sending it to the display... this may work better... or it may not! About the only other option is an outboard scaler like one of the Lumagen or DVDO scalers hooked in between your TV and your receiver.

If they would only get the SciFi channel in HD I would probably never watch SD again!

Neuromancer
04-18-06, 12:05 PM
If they would only get the SciFi channel in HD I would probably never watch SD again!

Agreed. I hate having to rewatch BattleStar/StarGate on DVD because the SciFi SD content is so horrible.

normtim
04-21-06, 11:33 PM
I've been eyeing the Oppo for a long while now but I've only just recently taken the plunge and bought one to replace my really crummy "temp" player (bad in almost every measurable respect despite being from a reputable brand). Anyway, I've got it connected to a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 and on a lot of content I'm seeing interlacing issues (specifically the visual appearance of every other line being black and "unfilled" often for many frames).

A majority of the time this is visible on the first few frames of scene changes but there are continuous scenes as well that I've identified as causing this as well, often for nearly a second at a time. I know that having a 60" viewing area is going to show the weakness of any software issues but that's why I upgraded to the Oppo. Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic player and it has addressed countless other issues that I've had with its predecessor but at the same time it's not what I expected either. Strangely enought I cannot reproduce this when pausing and stepping frame-by-frame.

The Oppo has an outstanding reputation so I can't help but think it's a configuration issue. My setup is fairly simple per recommendations in this thread: I'm currently running at 720p DVI (for whatever reason the Sony isn't receptive to the 1080i output) at the default settings. I played with numerous settings on the Sony to tweak into a more compatible state but with no luck. Also, the Video Mode setting does not allow me to select Video2 (greyed out) but I honestly have no idea if this would adress any of the issues I'm seeing.

Also lots of [what I'll call] "edge sparkle" is appearing on high contrast moving edges and static lettering is showing similar edge crawl and even quite a bit of "color sparkle" which kind of reminds me of an overstretched overcompressed JPEG image.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I've mulled my way through maybe 20% of this massive thread so I apologize in advance if this is rehashing an old discussion.

Thanks,

Tim

P.S. If it matters, most of these issues have ocurred when watching animated content (anime) which, contrary to inuition, seems to really challenge players since I suspect that images comprised of large fields of single colors make it easier for the human eye to pick out discrepancies.

Ja Phule
04-21-06, 11:46 PM
Agreed. I hate having to rewatch BattleStar/StarGate on DVD because the SciFi SD content is so horrible.

At least we get BSG in HD on Universal HD, that is, if your provider has that channel. Sunday nights, 9PM central.

Ja Phule
04-21-06, 11:47 PM
I've been eyeing the Oppo for a long while now but I've only just recently taken the plunge and bought one to replace my really crummy "temp" player (bad in almost every measurable respect despite being from a reputable brand). Anyway, I've got it connected to a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 and on a lot of content I'm seeing interlacing issues (specifically the visual appearance of every other line being black and "unfilled" often for many frames).

A majority of the time this is visible on the first few frames of scene changes but there are continuous scenes as well that I've identified as causing this as well, often for nearly a second at a time. I know that having a 60" viewing area is going to show the weakness of any software issues but that's why I upgraded to the Oppo. Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic player and it has addressed countless other issues that I've had with its predecessor but at the same time it's not what I expected either. Strangely enought I cannot reproduce this when pausing and stepping frame-by-frame.

The Oppo has an outstanding reputation so I can't help but think it's a configuration issue. My setup is fairly simple per recommendations in this thread: I'm currently running at 720p DVI (for whatever reason the Sony isn't receptive to the 1080i output) at the default settings. I played with numerous settings on the Sony to tweak into a more compatible state but with no luck. Also, the Video Mode setting does not allow me to select Video2 (greyed out) but I honestly have no idea if this would adress any of the issues I'm seeing.

Also lots of [what I'll call] "edge sparkle" is appearing on high contrast moving edges and static lettering is showing similar edge crawl and even quite a bit of "color sparkle" which kind of reminds me of an overstretched overcompressed JPEG image.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I've mulled my way through maybe 20% of this massive thread so I apologize in advance if this is rehashing an old discussion.

Thanks,

Tim

P.S. If it matters, most of these issues have ocurred when watching animated content (anime) which, contrary to inuition, seems to really challenge players since I suspect that images comprised of large fields of single colors make it easier for the human eye to pick out discrepancies.

Sparkles are common in a bad DVI cable. It could be your cable.

Have you done anything to calibrate your display with the Oppo? Have you put in a calibration dvd like AVIA, Digital Video Essentials, or THX Optimode to calibrate your contrast/brightness?

HiHoStevo
04-21-06, 11:59 PM
Just installed the F0302 firmware...

Do I need to go back and reset the brightness and contrast like I had with an earlier firmware?

normtim
04-22-06, 12:00 PM
Sparkles are common in a bad DVI cable. It could be your cable.

Have you done anything to calibrate your display with the Oppo? Have you put in a calibration dvd like AVIA, Digital Video Essentials, or THX Optimode to calibrate your contrast/brightness?

The best I can say regarding the cable at this point is that the DVI/HDMI cable that Oppo sent with the player appears to be of good quality, in fact a step up from the DVI/DVI cable they also sent. Also, I failed to state that the "sparkling" issues are absent on most content. I'm beginning to suspect that the offenders are just poorly mastered DVDs (maybe from VHS masters <ghasp!>).

I also figured out how to get to Video2 mode; for whatever reason there can be no disk. Having the player stopped isn't enough. I still don't know how relevant that setting is. I also managed to get 1080i working long enough to decide that I liked 720p better.

As far as calibration DVDs go, those are slated for next month's budget although I can say that I've spend a lot of time experimenting with the Sony's settings and have settled on a very appealing configuration. You bring up a good point though; of the 3 calibration DVDs you mentioned do any of them stand out as your favorite?

normtim
04-22-06, 12:03 PM
I forgot to mention that, even on high-quality material, I'm still seeing the deinterlacing issues. I don't know if I'm just hyper sensitive or if there is some magical tweak from using the calibration DVDs that would reduce or mask this. I somehow doubt that a contrast or brightness setting would affect this but I'm open to anything at this point.

rwestley
04-23-06, 01:47 AM
Brightness and Contrast is fixed on the new firmware. You don't have to reset them. You do have to reset the other settings.

F23Coupe
04-23-06, 03:51 PM
Guys, I tried to search on here but I couldn't find information as to why there are two new remotes that Oppo has on their web site. I got mine less than a year ago and it came with the silver remote but on Oppo's site, they have the black (non-glowing buttons) thick remote and a black (glowing buttons) remote. Which is the latest and greatest? Can I get the (non-glowing) one even though the new remote exchange program has a picture of the black glowing button one? Thanks. The reason is that it "looks" better than the remotes being sent out under the exchange program. But I'm not sure if function is better on this black, glowing button remote. Here are some pics to show you what I'm talking about:

Original silver remote
http://www.oppodigital.com/images/971H-Remote-A.jpg

Non-glowing black remote (looks the best out of 3, IMO)
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00078GLJY.01.PT03._SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg
http://www.oppodigital.com/images/OPDV971H_image1.jpg

Glowing (buttons) black remote (being sent out under the exchange program)
http://www.oppodigital.com/images/971Remote-C.jpg

Josh Z
04-23-06, 05:04 PM
Guys, I tried to search on here but I couldn't find information as to why there are two new remotes that Oppo has on their web site. I got mine less than a year ago and it came with the silver remote but on Oppo's site, they have the black (non-glowing buttons) thick remote and a black (glowing buttons) remote. Which is the latest and greatest? Can I get the (non-glowing) one even though the new remote exchange program has a picture of the black glowing button one? Thanks. The reason is that it "looks" better than the remotes being sent out under the exchange program. But I'm not sure if function is better on this black, glowing button remote.

The glowing one is the latest and best remote.

http://www.oppodigital.com/images/971Remote-C.jpg

The other black one's buttons are too small, hard to read in the dark, and awkwardly positioned. The glowing one is the one you want.

saxomatic
04-24-06, 12:55 PM
Hi ... ive just hooked up the oppo player using DVI-HDMI Cable to My Hitachi HDPJ-52 (tx200) Pj ... Picture is stunning ... i was wondering if some folks here have experience some Ghosting in the Image ... Like there is a slight darker line in whites next to a black image .... Maybe because some of my dvd isnt at top quality ...

rlb
04-24-06, 01:26 PM
I've been eyeing the Oppo for a long while now but I've only just recently taken the plunge and bought one to replace my really crummy "temp" player (bad in almost every measurable respect despite being from a reputable brand). Anyway, I've got it connected to a Sony KDS-R60XBR1 and on a lot of content I'm seeing interlacing issues (specifically the visual appearance of every other line being black and "unfilled" often for many frames).

A majority of the time this is visible on the first few frames of scene changes but there are continuous scenes as well that I've identified as causing this as well, often for nearly a second at a time. I know that having a 60" viewing area is going to show the weakness of any software issues but that's why I upgraded to the Oppo. Don't get me wrong, this is a fantastic player and it has addressed countless other issues that I've had with its predecessor but at the same time it's not what I expected either. Strangely enought I cannot reproduce this when pausing and stepping frame-by-frame.

The Oppo has an outstanding reputation so I can't help but think it's a configuration issue. My setup is fairly simple per recommendations in this thread: I'm currently running at 720p DVI (for whatever reason the Sony isn't receptive to the 1080i output) at the default settings. I played with numerous settings on the Sony to tweak into a more compatible state but with no luck. Also, the Video Mode setting does not allow me to select Video2 (greyed out) but I honestly have no idea if this would adress any of the issues I'm seeing.

Also lots of [what I'll call] "edge sparkle" is appearing on high contrast moving edges and static lettering is showing similar edge crawl and even quite a bit of "color sparkle" which kind of reminds me of an overstretched overcompressed JPEG image.

Any insight would be greatly appreciated. I've mulled my way through maybe 20% of this massive thread so I apologize in advance if this is rehashing an old discussion.

Thanks,

Tim

P.S. If it matters, most of these issues have ocurred when watching animated content (anime) which, contrary to inuition, seems to really challenge players since I suspect that images comprised of large fields of single colors make it easier for the human eye to pick out discrepancies.

I use the Denon 2910 (which shares the same Faroudja chip) and the same 60" SXRD. I don't have any of the problems you have mentioned. I use 1080i output via HDMI. The Denon is on basically default settings (except I'm using zero IRE blacks instead of the 7.5 IRE default). The SXRD is using close to the same settings I use for the HD Tivo on the other HDMI input. There are minor "tweaks" because both inputs were optimized during my ISF. I personally would bet that the problems lie with the Oppo and not the SXRD.

Josh Z
04-24-06, 01:47 PM
Hi ... ive just hooked up the oppo player using DVI-HDMI Cable to My Hitachi HDPJ-52 (tx200) Pj ... Picture is stunning ... i was wondering if some folks here have experience some Ghosting in the Image ... Like there is a slight darker line in whites next to a black image .... Maybe because some of my dvd isnt at top quality ...

Turn Noise Reduction off and Truelife On if you haven't already. See if that makes a difference.

chirpie
04-24-06, 04:16 PM
Hi ... ive just hooked up the oppo player using DVI-HDMI Cable to My Hitachi HDPJ-52 (tx200) Pj ... Picture is stunning ... i was wondering if some folks here have experience some Ghosting in the Image ... Like there is a slight darker line in whites next to a black image .... Maybe because some of my dvd isnt at top quality ...

Try Josh's suggestion. The other thing it could be is edge enhancement.

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

This would be the fault of the mastering on the DVD and not your playback equipment.

wfujosh
04-24-06, 11:52 PM
I'm going to apologize right off the bat if this has been discussed, but a thread search on HDMI isn't sending me in the right direction...

Has Oppo discussed either a) releasing a new version that is HDMI or b) another version of the existing player with HDMI?

My wife and I watch alot of DVDs that we don't always feel like turning on the receiver for, and I prefer being able to use a single cable for hookups.

Thanks all.

videoaddikt
04-25-06, 12:12 PM
My understanding is there will be a new player (replacing the present one) with an HDMI connector instead of DVI. Apparently, it will also provide upconversion through the components outputs.

Neuromancer
04-25-06, 12:22 PM
I'm going to apologize right off the bat if this has been discussed, but a thread search on HDMI isn't sending me in the right direction...

Has Oppo discussed either a) releasing a new version that is HDMI or b) another version of the existing player with HDMI?

My wife and I watch alot of DVDs that we don't always feel like turning on the receiver for, and I prefer being able to use a single cable for hookups.

Thanks all.

a) A new unit will be coming out in May which will have HDMI. It is the 970H.

b) A replacement unit is scheduled for the summer. It will be a OPDV971H with HDMI and SACD support.

wfujosh
04-25-06, 02:33 PM
a) A new unit will be coming out in May which will have HDMI. It is the 970H.

b) A replacement unit is scheduled for the summer. It will be a OPDV971H with HDMI and SACD support.

Thanks for the info NM. Strange that the "new" unit will have a lower model number than the present one. Is one supposed to be "better" than the other?

Neuromancer
04-25-06, 03:08 PM
It is designed for the Low End, High End user. Low End because it doesn't require all the tweaking of the OPDV971H, does not have macroblocking errors, and its de-interlacing is not as good as the OPDV971H. The High End because it does DVD-A and SACD, and does 480i/576i through the HDMI output, allowing for a nearly flawless transport to an external scaler.

LeeLee
04-25-06, 03:11 PM
Wow... a new player. With SACD and HDMI. Looks like I will be buying one.

Slightly used OPDV971H, anyone? ;)

Dj_Frost
04-25-06, 11:30 PM
Wow... a new player. With SACD and HDMI. Looks like I will be buying one.

Slightly used OPDV971H, anyone? ;)

I was thinking the exact same thing :rolleyes:

Martin Butler
04-26-06, 09:12 AM
Neuromancer, I always get confused about deinterlacing. If the digital out (HDMI) is used, does that bypass the deinterlacing, letting the projector (or TV) do it? I'd love SACD capability, but won't sacrifice PQ to get it.

Neuromancer
04-26-06, 12:48 PM
Neuromancer, I always get confused about deinterlacing. If the digital out (HDMI) is used, does that bypass the deinterlacing, letting the projector (or TV) do it? I'd love SACD capability, but won't sacrifice PQ to get it.

If you are using 480i/576i, then yes, you are bypassing all de-interlacing and allowing the television to do it. However, the 970 will still upconvert through the HDMI, so it will be doing de-interlacing. But, as noted, it will be lower than that of the OPDV971H.

Martin Butler
04-26-06, 01:06 PM
I have the InFocus 4805 projector which I believe has Faroudja deinterlacing, so using the OPPO 971 from its DVI out, the 4805 get's 480i, unless I set the OPPO to upconvert (which would make little sense because the 4805 has a low resolution. BUT, if I get the new OPPO and then upgrade projectors to a 720p model, then the new OPPO does the deinterlacing and therefore the 970 at 720p won't look as good as the older 971 at 720p because it has a cheaper deinterlacer, correct? :confused:

Neuromancer
04-26-06, 01:12 PM
Correct. However, the 970H has a sharper image than the OPDV971H. So in one sense, you are getting a higher quality image, at the expense of poorer de-interlacing.

Ja Phule
04-26-06, 01:26 PM
I have the InFocus 4805 projector which I believe has Faroudja deinterlacing, so using the OPPO 971 from its DVI out, the 4805 get's 480i, unless I set the OPPO to upconvert (which would make little sense because the 4805 has a low resolution. BUT, if I get the new OPPO and then upgrade projectors to a 720p model, then the new OPPO does the deinterlacing and therefore the 970 at 720p won't look as good as the older 971 at 720p because it has a cheaper deinterlacer, correct? :confused:

Problem is, the 4805 will not properly deinterlace 480i with Faroudja from the m1 port as far as I know. Faroudja deinterlacing is only done via composite/svideo/component at 480i.

Martin Butler
04-26-06, 01:52 PM
So I guess I've been outputting 480p from the 971 via DVI to the 4805 and that means the OPPO's been deinterlacing all along, or did I get lost again?

Either way with the 971 and the 4805 I'm using Faroudja to deinterlace because both machines have it? And, with the new 970, it will do the deinterlacing regardless of what is in a new projector? I'm planning on eventually upgrading to the InFocus IN76 and using it's HDMI port for DVD playback and am curious which player, the 970 or 971 will get me the better pq.

Neuromancer
04-26-06, 02:13 PM
If the M1 input does not have the Faroudja chipset connected to it (which most televisions don't for their digital connections) then the OPDV971H has been doing all of the de-interlacing.

The 970H will do de-interlacing on any display device that supports at least progressive scan.

Aztecian
04-26-06, 02:32 PM
My wife and I watch alot of DVDs that we don't always feel like turning on the receiver for, and I prefer being able to use a single cable for hookups.

Thanks all.
Ok now I have to ask a typical noob question.
I just ordered a 971H to go with the New Sammy HL-S5087W that should be arriving sometime in May. Knowing that the TV does not have a DVI connection I bought a DVI-HDMI cable from BlueJean. So am I reading that I cannot connect it directly to the TV with the adapter cable? If I can will I be getting the best PQ possible? And shouldn't I be able to connect the audio directly to the reciever?
This brings up about fifteen more questions but lest I get really confused I will ponder them one at a time.
Thanks

Ja Phule
04-26-06, 02:41 PM
So I guess I've been outputting 480p from the 971 via DVI to the 4805 and that means the OPPO's been deinterlacing all along, or did I get lost again?

Either way with the 971 and the 4805 I'm using Faroudja to deinterlace because both machines have it? And, with the new 970, it will do the deinterlacing regardless of what is in a new projector? I'm planning on eventually upgrading to the InFocus IN76 and using it's HDMI port for DVD playback and am curious which player, the 970 or 971 will get me the better pq.

The Oppo 971 doesn't send 480i via DVI anyway, so you've been sending either 480p, 1920x540, 720p, or 1080i. The 480i via digital is the new option in the new Oppo 970 that isn't available yet.

With the new 970, it will be doing the deinterlacing if you set the output to 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

If you upgrade to the Infocus IN76, feeding it 480i via hdmi from the 970 will allow it's Pixelworks DNX processor to do the deinterlacing and scaling to 720p which has its pros and cons. But if you set it to 480p and 720p then it will scale it to 720p if 480p and no scaling is needed for 720p. On the other hand if you feed 1080i to the IN76, it will deinterlace that to 1080p and then scale down to 720p.

HiHoStevo
04-26-06, 03:10 PM
If the M1 input does not have the Faroudja chipset connected to it (which most televisions don't for their digital connections) then the OPDV971H has been doing all of the de-interlacing.

The 970H will do de-interlacing on any display device that supports at least progressive scan.

According to the way I read the manual InFocus projectors only use their Faroudja chipset for signals coming in over composite, s-video, or component... the chip is not used for M1/DVI/HDMI or RGB/VGA signals.

Ja Phule
04-26-06, 03:12 PM
According to the way I read the manual InFocus projectors only use their Faroudja chipset for signals coming in over composite, s-video, or component... the chip is not used for M1/DVI/HDMI or RGB/VGA signals.

Not used for deinterlacing, but it is still used for scaling, at least in the 4805.

HiHoStevo
04-26-06, 03:17 PM
Ok now I have to ask a typical noob question.
I just ordered a 971H to go with the New Sammy HL-S5087W that should be arriving sometime in May. Knowing that the TV does not have a DVI connection I bought a DVI-HDMI cable from BlueJean. So am I reading that I cannot connect it directly to the TV with the adapter cable? If I can will I be getting the best PQ possible? And shouldn't I be able to connect the audio directly to the reciever?
This brings up about fifteen more questions but lest I get really confused I will ponder them one at a time.
Thanks

The previous poster was talking about just watching TV without using the full surround capabilities with an external audio receiver.

If you want to hook your Oppo to your TV... (I am not familiar with the Samsung) and it has an HDMI input then you will get video from your Oppo to the TV (via the DVI->HDMI cable that comes in the box with the Opp). You should cycle through all of the output resolutions of the Oppo and see which looks best on your TV. For audio you can either run the digital audio either to your TV or to your surround audio receiver. Obviously you will get a more "enhanced" audio sensation using a full surround system than you would simply using your TV's built in speakers. The Oppo has two digital outs... you can use either the Optical or coaxial digital (normally an orange ring on an RCA jack outlet) out to whichever your TV or receiver supports.

Personally i have never tried hooking one of the digital outs to a receiver and the other to a TV to see if that would work, but I suspect that it would.

Ja Phule
04-26-06, 03:19 PM
In other oppo news... I'm enjoying my modified oppo startup screen. :)

http://japhule.collinsreport.com/avs/KBOppo852.jpg

I'm trying to find a way to incorporate a test pattern into a nice wallpaper to help focus my projector better also.

Martin Butler
04-26-06, 05:52 PM
Cool Ja Phule! Bear with me and see if I'm following. My OPPO 971 is set for 480p, my InFocus 4805 is sent 480p through DVI, so therefore the OPPO has been doing the deinterlacing all along and the 4805 does scaling, but doesn't have to scale since it's native 480p and getting 480p from the OPPO?

Ja Phule
04-26-06, 06:45 PM
Cool Ja Phule! Bear with me and see if I'm following. My OPPO 971 is set for 480p, my InFocus 4805 is sent 480p through DVI, so therefore the OPPO has been doing the deinterlacing all along and the 4805 does scaling, but doesn't have to scale since it's native 480p and getting 480p from the OPPO?

480p is actually 720x480. The 4805 is a EDTV display with a native resolution of 854x480. The 4805 still needs to scale 480p horizontally to 854 width. This is why when you set the 4805 to "native mode" at 480p, it will be 4:3, you need to set the 4805 to 16:9 for it to do the horizontal scaling. Other players that let you pixel map like the bravo d1 will fit the screen in native mode when you have it output to 854x480.

Martin Butler
04-27-06, 10:47 AM
Thanks Ja Phule, I get it, I think ;)
OK, so... I'd like to have SACD capability, will I get a lesser quality PQ from the new OPPO player using my 4805? Also, with the new InFocus IN76 which of the two OPPO's will have the better PQ. I can use either component or DVD/HDMI in my set up, but prefer DVD/HDMI for the DVD player.

Ja Phule
04-27-06, 12:23 PM
Thanks Ja Phule, I get it, I think ;)
OK, so... I'd like to have SACD capability, will I get a lesser quality PQ from the new OPPO player using my 4805? Also, with the new InFocus IN76 which of the two OPPO's will have the better PQ. I can use either component or DVD/HDMI in my set up, but prefer DVD/HDMI for the DVD player.

IMO, the big thing about the new 970 is its ability to do 480i hdmi so people can feed it into their high end scaler. It's also a good alternative for those who have problems with the Faroudja macroblocking. If you get the 970 for use with the 4805, you'd probably get a better picture going 480i over component than upscaling via hdmi/component. 480i component will let the 4805's Faroudja do the deinterlacing/processing while hdmi/component upconversion of the 970's mediatek is not as good as Faroudja. This is assuming the component output at 480i is good. We won't know really until the player comes out and we get some reviews.

The Infocus IN76 uses a Pixelworks DNX chip, which has its pros and cons, but its main advantage is its ability to deinterlace 1080i properly to 1080p before downscaling to 720p (vs other chips that will convert 1080i to 1920x540 instead). However, its deinterlacer for 480i content isn't as good as faroudja. If I had to choose one of the new Oppos, I'd wait for the new Faroudja one with SACD support. In either case, I'd wait and see the reviews for both before getting one.

I'm probably going to get rid of my 971 in anticipation for the new Faroudja player.

Martin Butler
04-27-06, 01:26 PM
Ja Phule, there's an OPPO coming (not the 970) w/ Faroudja AND SACD? If so, that's the ticket for me since I already have around 30 SACD's and would like to continue buying them.

Neuromancer
04-27-06, 01:48 PM
*smacks Marting Butler for double posting*

OPPO is making a replacement to the OPDV971H that will basically just be a OPDV971H but with component based upconversion, SACD and HDMI support. It will also be black.

Martin Butler
04-27-06, 03:30 PM
What double post? ;)

Thanks for the info Neuromancer.Glad it's black as well. I used to prefer silver for the aesthetics but now prefer black for the lower reflective aspects for a darkened room.

Martin Butler
04-28-06, 11:40 AM
Any idea what the pricing will be?

Neuromancer
04-28-06, 01:42 PM
None has been announced, though a 150~200 dollar range has been noted.

chaos8517
04-28-06, 02:11 PM
I'm looking into getting this player for my samsung 1080p dlp (hl-s5087) that I just ordered. This may sound like a stupid question, but is there a difference in video quality from dvi-hdmi and hdmi-hdmi? The sound isn't a factor, as that is going to be run to a receiver anyway.

videoaddikt
04-28-06, 02:24 PM
Should be no difference, based on connectors only.

chaos8517
04-28-06, 02:55 PM
I read somewhere (can't find it now - I tried) that hdmi was 10-bit while dvi was 8 bit; what does that mean?

chaos8517
04-28-06, 02:57 PM
I read somewhere (can't find it now - I tried) that hdmi was 10-bit while dvi was 8 bit; what does that mean?


Nevermind - found it: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=6992266&highlight=8bit#post6992266

so if my television does have 10-bit processing; should I wait for the Oppo with hdmi?

EricScott
04-28-06, 02:59 PM
I read somewhere (can't find it now - I tried) that hdmi was 10-bit while dvi was 8 bit; what does that mean?

Technically HDMI can deliver slightly better video quality than DVI. As you pointed out HDMI is capable of 10 bit, while DVI can only pass 8 bit - the more bits the better. Also HDMI can pass YCbCr data in addition to RGB data; DVI can only pass RGB.

Now for most equipment, this is pretty moot as most displays can only really process 8bit (they may be able to accept 10bit but they convert it to 8bit for processing and displaying). And many DVD players can only pass 8 bit.

The current Oppo, since it has a DVI output, can only pass 8 bit RGB. So connecting this to a DVI vs. an HDMI input on your display will yield identical results b/c the source is the limiting factor here. But technically, with the right equipment HDMI can yield a slightly better picture.

I'm not an expert on this, so feel free to correct me.

chaos8517
04-28-06, 03:35 PM
The new samsung DLP's say they have 10-bit processing.
1. Does this mean that they can only "accept" 10 bits but still convert to 8?
2. If they really use 10-bit processing, then would the hdmi-hdmi connection provide a "significantly" better picture over DVI-hdmi?

nikos77
05-01-06, 09:33 PM
My receiver died and I'm ordering a new separate components.

I'm expecting the first of the 2 pieces a 7 channel amp to arrive.

For video I use DVI/HDMI cable.

For sound, If I feed the amp throught the 5.1 RCA's of the OPPO straight to the amp...will I be able to use the Volume from the Oppo?? Or do I need a pre-amp to achieve this?

I'm hoping I can get by for a couple of weeks since the pre-amp is on backorder.

Thanks,

Nikos

Driver
05-02-06, 01:48 AM
Yes, you should be able to. Just finding the button on the remote in the dark is the fun stuff... :)

TXP3064W
05-04-06, 10:16 PM
Most of the current LCD TV's have an 8-bit video processor which equates to 16.77 million colors. I'm looking at a few different Samsung '06 Model LCD's that offer 10-bit video processors that pump out an astounding 12.8 billion colors. So the new Oppo, via HDMI, will be sweeeeeeet on a 10-bit capable TV.

Dj_Frost
05-05-06, 03:01 AM
bah, im color blind so I dont think I'll notice the difference between 16.7 mil and 12.8 bil colors

Dixie Flatline
05-05-06, 11:30 AM
Most of the current LCD TV's have an 8-bit video processor which equates to 16.77 million colors. I'm looking at a few different Samsung '06 Model LCD's that offer 10-bit video processors that pump out an astounding 12.8 billion colors. So the new Oppo, via HDMI, will be sweeeeeeet on a 10-bit capable TV.
Except that the video on your DVD is sampled with 8-bit depth, and your Samsung display is still only capable of physically displaying 8-bit color. So don't expect spectacular improvements. There should still be some, because internal processing in the TV (and maybe in the Oppo?) will be done with 10 bits of precision, which does a lot to offset the cumulative loss of precision you get when all the processing is done at 8 bits. So you'll see some subtle improvements, but don't forget that you're still starting with 8-bit data, and displaying the image on an 8-bit display...

ILJG
06-04-06, 01:32 AM
Sorry if this is a repeat question, because I think I read it somewhere here before, I just can't find it...but...

I was watching the Incredibles on the OPPO last night and the Spanish subtitles just popped up.

I'm on firmware 971h-d-1022. Will the newer firmwares fix this? Or is there a way to just manually do something with the remote to prevent it? I've been really happy with the OPPO's performance since applying this firmware and would like to keep it unless later firmwares definitely fix this without introducing new problems (like having to "rollback a/v synch fixes")

Thanks for any help, and again, I apologize if this has already been asked.

eric.exe
06-04-06, 01:35 AM
*smacks Marting Butler for double posting*

OPPO is making a replacement to the OPDV971H that will basically just be a OPDV971H but with component based upconversion, SACD and HDMI support. It will also be black.

Any time frame? I just need a general idea.

Within 3 months? Within the year?

Neuromancer
06-04-06, 06:04 AM
3 months.

Martin Butler
06-04-06, 09:23 AM
Lookin' forward to having SACD again plus OPPO pq. Hope it's as least as good as the 971.. you never know....

Josh Z
06-04-06, 08:17 PM
I was watching the Incredibles on the OPPO last night and the Spanish subtitles just popped up.

I'm on firmware 971h-d-1022. Will the newer firmwares fix this?

The permanent fix for this should be coming soon. The problem has been fixed on the 970HD model, and will be ported over to the 971H in a future firmware.

Or is there a way to just manually do something with the remote to prevent it?

The workaround for this is to go into the disc menus (not the player's setup menu) and choose "None" for your subtitle option. Normally, you shouldn't have to do this manually. The disc should default to no subtitles, but the current glitch requires manual intervention.

ILJG
06-04-06, 11:29 PM
The permanent fix for this should be coming soon. The problem has been fixed on the 970HD model, and will be ported over to the 971H in a future firmware.



The workaround for this is to go into the disc menus (not the player's setup menu) and choose "None" for your subtitle option. Normally, you shouldn't have to do this manually. The disc should default to no subtitles, but the current glitch requires manual intervention.

Cool, thanks for the help, Josh! :D :cool:

Q56_Monster
06-05-06, 08:22 AM
The permanent fix for this should be coming soon. The problem has been fixed on the 970HD model, and will be ported over to the 971H in a future firmware.



The workaround for this is to go into the disc menus (not the player's setup menu) and choose "None" for your subtitle option. Normally, you shouldn't have to do this manually. The disc should default to no subtitles, but the current glitch requires manual intervention.


When I cycle thru the subtitle button on the oppo remote, the subtitles disappear. I'm using Toy Story as reference disk. You get french subs on that one. If you push the button once to off the subtitles remain, you must cycle through all the subtitle options and end on subtitles off.

pargoff
06-09-06, 09:07 AM
Hi guys, i have recently purchased a Samsung HL-S5087 HDTV and i am in the market for upconverting dvd player. in your opinions, is oppo the way to go for best bang for the buck? i have also looked at the Philips DVP5960. any comparison between the two? also, which oppo would you recommend that i buy?

ScottFern
06-09-06, 02:07 PM
Is it me or has the latest firmware fixed ALOT of the a/v sync issues we were seeing with this player? I just needed outside feedback as to what is the best firmware? The latest or a different one?

Neuromancer
06-09-06, 02:13 PM
The latest firmware (F-0316) has fixed most of the A/V synch issues users have had. By far, the F-0316 firmware is the best firmware that is out there.

Neuromancer
06-09-06, 02:14 PM
Hi guys, i have recently purchased a Samsung HL-S5087 HDTV and i am in the market for upconverting dvd player. in your opinions, is oppo the way to go for best bang for the buck? i have also looked at the Philips DVP5960. any comparison between the two? also, which oppo would you recommend that i buy?

If you do not want to do major calibrations, then you will want to look into the DV-970HD, as it will not suffer from the same macroblocking errors as the OPDV971H does.

ScottFern
06-09-06, 02:20 PM
If you do not want to do major calibrations, then you will want to look into the DV-970HD, as it will not suffer from the same macroblocking errors as the OPDV971H does.

So are you saying that the only way to correct the Macroblocking with this player is to do major calibrations in the dvd player options or on the TV end? Oppo solved my first major issue which was the a/v sync issues, now my only gripe is with macroblocking duing dark black scenes. If this issue could ever be solved I would be 100% satisfied instead of 99% satisfied! :p

brinyhenry
06-09-06, 02:53 PM
9So are you saying that the only way to correct the Macroblocking with this player is to do major calibrations in the dvd player options or on the TV end? Oppo solved my first major issue which was the a/v sync issues, now my only gripe is with macroblocking duing dark black scenes. If this issue could ever be solved I would be 100% satisfied instead of 99% satisfied! :p

I've found comparing this player with my non DCDi DVD player that there is a tradeoff regarding macroblock enhance. Mind you, the MB enhance issue is almost non-existent in my situation however discs that seem to display this have problems anyways. I've found that playing these scenes where macroblocking is evident through my non DCDi player, that this is replaced with a lot of video noise. Leading me to believe that this is "a problem area" in the disc's mastering and the DCDi chipset just handles it differently. I find the MB less annoying in these scenes.

Neuromancer
06-09-06, 03:21 PM
So are you saying that the only way to correct the Macroblocking with this player is to do major calibrations in the dvd player options or on the TV end? Oppo solved my first major issue which was the a/v sync issues, now my only gripe is with macroblocking duing dark black scenes. If this issue could ever be solved I would be 100% satisfied instead of 99% satisfied! :p

Macroblocking can be greatly reduced, and in some situations, completely eliminated through proper calibration. However, the calibration required to properly set up a Samsung DLP with the OPDV971H is not just a simple AVIA and DVE setup, it requires a lot more time and precision (not to mention accessing of Service Menus).

For this reason, if you want something that is pretty much plug and play, you will want to hit up the DV-970HD.

nate358
06-11-06, 02:18 PM
The latest firmware (F-0316) has fixed most of the A/V synch issues users have had. By far, the F-0316 firmware is the best firmware that is out there.

I went to download F-0316 and there is only F-0302..... anyone got F-0316?

Andy_K
06-11-06, 10:29 PM
Here's the link:

http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_0316_download.html

It's not easy to find at the site because it's a beta and not supported. For more info, go to the Oppo 971 Brain Dump thread and search for it. Caution as always with betas.

spidermonkie
06-12-06, 01:59 AM
Here's the link:

url removed

It's not easy to find at the site because it's a beta and not supported. For more info, go to the Oppo 971 Brain Dump thread and search for it. Caution as always with betas.


I've burned the ISO image above and wanted to get some feedback before I proceed.

I'm interested in this firmware because I'm getting a weird dot-crawl/glitter/shimmering of white pixels in the 540p, 720p and 1080i modes.

If my lvm-42w2 (1080p westinghouse) could be divided up into sixths in 540p and 1080i modes the entire 3rd vertical section suffers from this dot crawl:

| | |X| | | |

However in the 720p mode it shows up only in the 5th vertical section from top to bottom as well:

| | | | |X| |

I currently have firmware F-0302b and from what i've read a shimmering bug would've been fixed by this firmware. Maybe I am experiencing a different shimmer bug. I've switched from dvi 1 and 2 and even over to hdmi and the bug is still there. Changed from video 1 to video 2 processing and no luck either. Tried changing picture settings in the dvd setup and that didn't help either.

480p output does not show this problem over dvi connection or dvi to hdmi connection, however another funny thing i noticed is the picture isn't streched/filled using the dvi connection but is using the hdmi ?!? weird.

Anyways, i'm not going to settle for 480p with a 1080p monitor.

Any suggestions/questions/comments before I try to update the firmware and try to solve this weird issue?

Thanks,

Josh

spidermonkie
06-13-06, 04:19 PM
I've burned the ISO image above and wanted to get some feedback before I proceed.

I'm interested in this firmware because I'm getting a weird dot-crawl/glitter/shimmering of white pixels in the 540p, 720p and 1080i modes.

If my lvm-42w2 (1080p westinghouse) could be divided up into sixths in 540p and 1080i modes the entire 3rd vertical section suffers from this dot crawl:

| | |X| | | |

However in the 720p mode it shows up only in the 5th vertical section from top to bottom as well:

| | | | |X| |

I currently have firmware F-0302b and from what i've read a shimmering bug would've been fixed by this firmware. Maybe I am experiencing a different shimmer bug. I've switched from dvi 1 and 2 and even over to hdmi and the bug is still there. Changed from video 1 to video 2 processing and no luck either. Tried changing picture settings in the dvd setup and that didn't help either.

480p output does not show this problem over dvi connection or dvi to hdmi connection, however another funny thing i noticed is the picture isn't streched/filled using the dvi connection but is using the hdmi ?!? weird.

Anyways, i'm not going to settle for 480p with a 1080p monitor.

Any suggestions/questions/comments before I try to update the firmware and try to solve this weird issue?

Thanks,

Josh

Anyone?!?

Neuromancer
06-13-06, 08:16 PM
You may want to go to the OPDV971H Brain Dump/FAQ (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=491306), as that is where all the users are posting these days.

spidermonkie
06-14-06, 10:02 AM
You may want to go to the OPDV971H Brain Dump/FAQ, as that is where all the users are posting these days.

Thanks Neuromancer, will do.

Robert_S
06-17-06, 01:39 AM
I am using the digital output of the 971 via coax. I swear the audio delay option on the Oppo is applied to the digital output in RAW mode. However, the Oppo release notes state:

"Note: The audio delay feature only applies to the analog audio outputs and PCM format digital output of the DVD player. The audio delay does not apply to Raw format digital audio output. If you are using the Raw format, please utilize the audio delay function on your A/V receiver to set audio delay."

Can someone else verify if they can get the audio delay to make a difference on the digital out?

Robert

Neuromancer
06-17-06, 04:59 AM
It is only applied to the analog outputs, as the delay requires audio processing, which does not occur when the unit is set to RAW (bitstream).

johnnyc71
07-14-06, 09:04 PM
can anyone tell me if there has been an update on the 971h replacement

Mochaokra
09-01-06, 10:43 AM
I've just installed the latest patch and now I see these wavy lines on my screen. It becomes obvious when I turn on the setup menu. It even appears in the DVD movies I play. I've upgraded from many firmwares before and I know for sure I didn't make any mistake upgrading.

Am I the only one who see swimming lines? I've switched to other resolution but it's still the same result! It's even worse on my preferred resolution 720p 60hz (I have a DLP TV with native resolution of 720p).

Martin Butler
09-01-06, 10:49 AM
johnnyc71, there isn't much word yet. Oppo will eventually bring it out but the only difference will be SACD and HDMI as far as I know, which for some is significant and others, not so much. Welcome to the forum.

dvdr
09-02-06, 03:01 AM
Hi

I sold my AV-Receiver, and until I get the digital AV-upgrade for my preamp, I have to use Oppo's analog 5.1 outputs. To get a decent lipsync with my plasma, I have to set the audio-delay to 8 or 9. The problem is, that this delay seems to be only applied to the center channel. I have noticed that in several movies, especially, when persons or objects moved from left over center to right.
Proof came with a setup DVD, where I tried to match channel levels: there is one test, where a voice comes from two speakers at once, for example left&center, center&right. In that case, the voice sounded scattered, since there was a big delay between the outer speakers and the center. I am also absolutely sure, that this is not caused by the delay, you need to set up for the loudspeaker distances, because a.) it is set up properly and b.) could not correct any of the audible delay, no matter how close or distant I set the speaker...

Can someone please explain, whether this is a bug (I am using the previous firmware to the current one) or there are special settings required to have the audio-delay applied to all channels. If this is not correctable, the 5.1 analog outputs are useless to me, since due to the huge delay necessary, the 5.1 soundfield is not coherent at all and sounds just awful.
BTW, spdif-out is still set to RAW, since once set to PCM, the oppo does not put out a 5.1, but a stereo-signal on the analog 5.1-outputs.

Mochaokra
09-02-06, 07:18 AM
Where can I get older versions of the firmware? The 935.bin just screwed up my screen because of the swimming lines. Even when playing the movies I could see them. I've had my Oppo for almost a year now and have upgraded everytime there's a new firmware out, this is the first time I regretted upgrading.

I need the 933.bin file if anyone could help me, the version where the brightness is -5 darker.

Neuromancer
09-02-06, 07:08 PM
There is no 933.BIN file. All firmware upgrades end up as a 935.BIN file. If you have upgraded with every firmware release, then you can just download the F-0302 Firmware (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_0302_download.html)

Previous to that was the 1022 Firmware (http://www.oppodigital.com/opdv971h_firmware_1022_download.html). This firmware may be the one you used before.

Mochaokra
09-03-06, 06:17 AM
Thanks for the help Neuromancer. The F-0302 firmware didn't work, the swimming lines were still there. The 1022 firmware worked perfectly like before. I wonder what's going on?

Toonces T. Cat
09-03-06, 10:16 AM
Thanks for the help Neuromancer. The F-0302 firmware didn't work, the swimming lines were still there. The 1022 firmware worked perfectly like before. I wonder what's going on?

I also use the 1022 patch. Either 480p, 720p, or both, will not sync up with my Sony GWII LCDRP with any newer firmware.

-Toonces

Martin Butler
09-05-06, 09:57 AM
I've installed the latest firmware last week. Everything seems OK so far. I have the InFocus 4805 projector as well. I haven't checked my OPPO settings for a long time. Using DVI out, what are the current suggested settings for proper DVI level, color levels, etc?

Paul Simoneau
09-18-06, 01:43 PM
My 971 has run perfectly for over a year now (purchased it the day of the initial Secrets review), until last week.

It got into a funky state where it wouldn't respond to any remote codes at all, except for "standby". The hard buttons on the front of the unit worked fine. Multiple hits to the front power button would bring it in and out of standby, but the problem remained. It required a hard power cycle (removing the power cord) to recover.

Any one else see this problem ? Again, this is the only problem I've had with the player, but I'm starting to wonder if the player's on the way out...

brinyhenry
09-18-06, 02:49 PM
My 971 has run perfectly for over a year now (purchased it the day of the initial Secrets review), until last week.

It got into a funky state where it wouldn't respond to any remote codes at all, except for "standby". The hard buttons on the front of the unit worked fine. Multiple hits to the front power button would bring it in and out of standby, but the problem remained. It required a hard power cycle (removing the power cord) to recover.

Any one else see this problem ? Again, this is the only problem I've had with the player, but I'm starting to wonder if the player's on the way out...

I wouldn't be too worried. I've had this sort of thing happen with any one piece of my equipment, including my receiver. You probably had some sort of power surge, spike etc that temporarily "scrambled" the player. I'll bet you won't see the problem pop up again.

Neuromancer
09-18-06, 03:06 PM
It got into a funky state where it wouldn't respond to any remote codes at all, except for "standby". The hard buttons on the front of the unit worked fine. Multiple hits to the front power button would bring it in and out of standby, but the problem remained. It required a hard power cycle (removing the power cord) to recover.

Shake your unit gently in all directions. The connection lead from the decoder chipset and the front panel could be dislodged slightly, causing the remote control to be ineffective.

Alternatively, you can open the DVD player up and ensure that the cable is properly secured.

Paul Simoneau
09-18-06, 03:41 PM
Shake your unit gently in all directions. The connection lead from the decoder chipset and the front panel could be dislodged slightly, causing the remote control to be ineffective.

Alternatively, you can open the DVD player up and ensure that the cable is properly secured.

Thanks for the quick head's up. I'm not sure I follow, since a loose lead would similarly effect both the hard buttons as well as the remote, would it not ?

I'm loathe to pop the hood, but I'll clear it with Oppo service before doing so.

I'm not too worried about something being rattled loose inside the player. It's on a shelf in a closet, and the most rattling thing that occurs is loading/unloading disks.

Having said that, could I potentially have surfaced a thermal issue ? The player is in a closet, and my multi-channel amp throws a lot of heat when it's fired up.

xeon450
09-20-06, 01:00 AM
I also use the 1022 patch. Either 480p, 720p, or both, will not sync up with my Sony GWII LCDRP with any newer firmware.

-Toonces

I'm interested in getting this Oppo DVD player and also have the Sony GWII...has your a/v sync issue been resolved yet?

Neuromancer
09-20-06, 03:38 AM
Thanks for the quick head's up. I'm not sure I follow, since a loose lead would similarly effect both the hard buttons as well as the remote, would it not ?

Depending on what leads are not connected, the remote can either not be working, will work for only Power and Eject, or will be fully functional. The front panel, on the other hand, would pretty much require that all the pins are disconnected.

Having said that, could I potentially have surfaced a thermal issue ? The player is in a closet, and my multi-channel amp throws a lot of heat when it's fired up.

It can be thermal. Try moving the DVD player out of the closet, let it cool, and try it again.

Paul Simoneau
09-20-06, 11:58 AM
Depending on what leads are not connected, the remote can either not be working, will work for only Power and Eject, or will be fully functional. The front panel, on the other hand, would pretty much require that all the pins are disconnected.

It can be thermal. Try moving the DVD player out of the closet, let it cool, and try it again.

Thanks again, Neuromancer. I've contacted Oppo concerning the issue, and we'll see what they have to say about it.

Side note : the player was stone cold when the issue was occurring, as the entire system had just been fired up and hadn't had time to heat up.




edit : Just heard back from Oppo customer service. Took 'em 3 hours to get back to me. Slackers.... :) They mentioned that they've heard of such IR funkiness associated with IR repeater systems (I use a Xantech IR system), or that my unit may have a "misaligned plug" which is screwing with the IR board's operation.

I'll just sit tight and keep an eye on the player. If it acts up again, I'll have to take it up with Oppo.

Wesley Hester
09-20-06, 06:44 PM
johnnyc71, there isn't much word yet. Oppo will eventually bring it out but the only difference will be SACD and HDMI as far as I know, which for some is significant and others, not so much. Welcome to the forum.

Any mention of 1080p?

I have two DV-970HD's already and I am getting a OPDV971H soon. With both players on my main HDTV, is there any reason to wait for the new replacement unit?

Neuromancer
09-20-06, 06:50 PM
1080p is a likely candidate, though OPPO is making no promises.

Wesley Hester
09-20-06, 06:59 PM
1080p is a likely candidate, though OPPO is making no promises.

Cool. At least it is still up in the air. Thanks for the information about the replacement, I hadn't been keeping up with it enough to know.

Martin Butler
09-20-06, 09:29 PM
Do most people think SD DVD bumped up to 1080p will actually look better than 480i or p?

jonnyozero3
09-20-06, 10:54 PM
I did an a/b of 480p vs upscaled to 720p and noticed a difference on Maximus' helmet nose :)

(not kidding actually)

RTK
09-21-06, 01:59 AM
Do most people think SD DVD bumped up to 1080p will actually look better than 480i or p?

The answer depends upon your display but in theory it should be the best option for a 1080p display as the source material (480i) would be interlaced just once and scaled just once.

For example:
480i->480p->1080p->display (deinterlace, scale)

compared to:
480i->480p->1080p->1080i->display->1080p (deinterlace, scale, reinterlace, deinterlace)
or
480i->480p->720p->display->1080p (deinterlace, scale, scale)

Wesley Hester
09-21-06, 04:32 AM
Do most people think SD DVD bumped up to 1080p will actually look better than 480i or p?

I have actually found 480i/p content looks its best bumped to 1080p on my HDTV. It is the most clear and sharpest I have seen DVD to this point. Not High Definition great but Standard Def to the max so to speak. The incremental moves of DVD (introduction of progressive scan, better video processing, and now unconverting) have taken the same 480i content that was there from the start and have made it the best it can appear on large displays to my eyes.

mooshoo
09-21-06, 03:16 PM
Just jumped aboard the Oppo ship. I've already gone through the whole thread (and my eyes hurt), but have several questions remaining.

Firstly, my equipment setup:
1) Akai PDP 5073TM, w/hdmi/component. Native res. is 720p. The panel itself is pretty good, but is very bare bones in features (I know the scaler is crap, hence the oppo purchase). I've turned off all enhancers (because they're crap).
2) oppo dvd player
3) IODATA AvelLinkplayer
4) HT reciever

I am quite satisfied with the unit, but have noticed several issues. I can put up with them, but they are a bit distracting at times. I just received the unit 2 days ago, and have been told that it was shipped with the most recent FW. I already had the player/monitor calibrated, and the HDMI handshake was very quick.

I loaded up X-Men 2, WS edition. During the opening scene when that mutant attacked the White House, I got a lot of tearing in the picture. They were happening with the mutant moving (not moving very quickly either, so i don't think the refresh rate is the issue), and when the secret service agents were moving around. The tearing was VERY obvious, and at first I though it was just me, but it repeated itself several times.

I have the oppo outputting at 720p, which should mean that the even/odd fields are being drawn simultaneously, am I correct? So, I shouldn't be seeing the tearing at all. As advised by the thread gurus, I have left the TrueLife feature on, CCS off, and sharpness off/low. I've experimented the past couple days, and have seen the MB, and continue to notice slight shimmering. I suppose this issue was never resolved by the engineers? I see this at 1080i also (but strangely, 1080i looks pretty good [I thought it was supposed to be better at native?!]).

Lastly, I am curious about the sound. It sounds great now, routed through the reciever via coax. In the Audio menu, it allows you choose between lower to higher bitrates, ie, 48K, 96K, etc. What is the benefit of this feature? What should I use? Would there be distortion at the higher output levels (I did notice that the DTS logo says 96, but is it related?)?

Thanks in advance!

mooshoo
09-22-06, 04:58 PM
bump!

Neuromancer
09-22-06, 05:24 PM
mooshoo,

You may want to post in the OPDV971H FAQ/Brain Dump.

mooshoo
09-22-06, 05:29 PM
neuromancer,

Thanks for the suggestion. I was trying to avoid double posting, but I guess it's unavoidable.

Neuromancer
09-22-06, 05:50 PM
mooshoo,

All the old timers pretty much left this thread to die and moved to the FAQ/Brain Dump.

fogz
09-26-06, 08:45 AM
Good evening,
I've just received my oppo dv971h.
There is a problem with settings: I can't save my preferred setting (es. PAL, video2 and region 0).. when I turn off my dvd player all settings reset to the factory default value! (es. NTSC, video 1 and region 1). Why?

thanks a lot

Neuromancer
09-26-06, 11:51 AM
Try a transformer or power conditionioner.

Try downloading and installing the previous firmware release (10-0720).

Change only setting, such as Video and see if that always changes back to default.

fogz
09-28-06, 06:26 AM
tahnk's Necromances,
tried to follow the instructions you suggested me (upgrade firmware, etc) but without any success, my EMPROM could be defective.

HogPilot
09-30-06, 11:42 AM
I did an a/b of 480p vs upscaled to 720p and noticed a difference on Maximus' helmet nose :)

(not kidding actually)

Who's Oppo971 did you use for this? I know you don't own one...

Next thing you'll be posting about joyriding in my 'vette while I'm stuck in the sandbox.

Now take my DVD player back to my apartment immediately and turn the keys over to the first hot chick you meet down in the Market tonight, because I obviously can't trust you with my stuff ;)

jonnyozero3
09-30-06, 03:56 PM
Who's Oppo971 did you use for this? I know you don't own one...

Next thing you'll be posting about joyriding in my 'vette while I'm stuck in the sandbox.

Now take my DVD player back to my apartment immediately and turn the keys over to the first hot chick you meet down in the Market tonight, because I obviously can't trust you with my stuff ;)


You mean the vette I sold on ebay?

I was talking 720p vs 480p in general :) (I didn't steal your dvd player...yet).

HogPilot
09-30-06, 07:58 PM
You mean the vette I sold on ebay?

I was talking 720p vs 480p in general :) (I didn't steal your dvd player...yet).

You know it's funny how homes can burn down for no apparent reason...just poof!

javry
12-07-06, 09:28 PM
Is it time for a new OPPO thread....Oh Boy! Here we go again :p

DV-981HDDV-981HD1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player (HDMI) Built Upon Highly Regarded OPDV971H (http://oppodigital.com/dv981hd/index.html)
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/jauvry/dv981hd_home.gif

DV-981HDDV-981HD1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player (HDMI) Built Upon Highly Regarded OPDV971H
HD Up-Conversion to 720p/1080i/1080p
SACD, DVD-Audio/Video & Much More
DCDi by Faroudja
HDMI Cable Included
DivX Certified
Price: $229.00

Universal DVD Player Features:

DVD-Audio, Super Audio CD (SACD) and DVD-Video universal playback
Compatible with Audio CD, HDCD, WMA, Kodak Picture CD, and other digital audio/video/picture media and formats
Official DivX® Certified product, certified to the Home Theater Profile
Plays all versions of DivX® video (including DivX® 6) with standard playback of DivX® media files
Plays XviD and .SRT, .SMI, .IDX and .SUB format


Video Up-Conversion Features:

High definition up-conversion with film-like picture quality to up-convert 720x480 interlaced video encoded on DVD discs to 480p/720p/1080i and 1080p
DCDi by Faroudja video processing technology with progressive scan, film mode detection, TrueLife™ enhancement and motion adaptive noise reduction.
Video is analyzed on a single pixel granularity to detect presence or absence of angled lines and edges, which are then processed to produce a smooth natural looking image without visible artifacts (jaggies)
High-quality pure digital video and audio through a single HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) cable
Multiple high definition video formats through HDMI output: NTSC: 480p/720p/1080i/1080p; PAL: 576p/720p/1080i/1080p
Compatible with HDTV, HD-Ready TV, HDTV monitors and projectors with an HDMI or DVI input
Direct PAL/NTSC disc and TV compatibility and system conversion
For more information about DVD video up-conversion, please read our white paper article Getting the Most out of DVD on an HDTV Display
Supports screen aspect ratio 4:3 (standard) and 16:9 (wide-screen)
User adjustable video controls: Sharpness, Contrast, Brightness, and Saturation
Composite video and S-Video outputs (standard-definition output only)


Optimized Audio Features:

High-resolution multi-channel digital audio output through HDMI supporting CD, DVD-Audio, SACD, Dolby Digital and DTS sound tracks.
Individual analog 5.1-channel surround and down-mixed stereo outputs
24-bit, 192kHz high resolution audio D/A converters
Optical and coaxial digital audio outputs with DTS, Dolby Digital, Dolby Pro-Logic II and Linear PCM support
3D Surround (Virtual Surround): Concert, Live, Dance, Techno, Classic, Soft
Built-in equalizer, channel trim and channel delay functions


Compatibility Features:

PAL/NTSC disc and TV compatible with automatic or manual system conversion
Compatible with CD-R/RW, DVD±R/RW and DVD+R DL* (* Playability of self-recorded discs may vary depending on media and formatting software types)
Dual-laser optical pickup head with excellent error correction
Enhanced dual-layer disc support with fast layer change
Wide range universal power supply (~100V-240V, 50/60Hz AC)


Convenience Features:

Special disc tray - thin, flexible and strong. Can tolerate some bending without breaking.
Smooth and easy navigation of photo albums, music collections and video files on DVD and CD
Selectable subtitle and audio tracks
Discrete ON/OFF remote control IR code for programmable universal remote controls


Connectors:

HDMI - High Definition Multimedia Interface: 1
Analog Stereo Audio (Mixed 2-Channel Left/Right): 1 group (2 connectors)
Analog 5.1 Channel Audio: 1 group (6 connectors)
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Coaxial Digital Audio: 1
S/PDIF (IEC-958) Optical Digital Audio: 1
Composite Video: 1
S-Video: 1
No Component Video (YPbPr/YCbCr) on the DV-981HD model. This model is designed for use with a display device with HDMI or DVI digital video input.


Accessories Included:

High-quality certified HDMI cable with gold-plated HDMI connectors
Remote control with "glow in the dark" keypad (batteries included)
Stereo audio cable
Composite video cable
User manual and warranty information

drbonbi
12-07-06, 09:41 PM
Hey. The new 981 thread is over here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=760726&page=1&pp=30 You're already 11 pages behind! :)

Dana

Toonces T. Cat
12-07-06, 09:48 PM
Is it time for a new OPPO thread....Oh Boy! Here we go again :p

DV-981HDDV-981HD1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player (HDMI) Built Upon Highly Regarded OPDV971H (http://oppodigital.com/dv981hd/index.html)
http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n304/jauvry/dv981hd_home.gif

DV-981HDDV-981HD1080p Up-Converting Universal DVD Player (HDMI) Built Upon Highly Regarded OPDV971H

This thing is machine pornography!

-Toonces... :eek:

javry
12-07-06, 10:27 PM
yeah.....I just found out that I'm behind the times. Oh well....good intentions.

nate358
12-08-06, 08:44 PM
So I just rented Ice Age the Meltdown and no matter what I do it won't play.... I cleaned off the disc. It looks fine. I put it in my Xbox360 and it works! I put it back in and it doesn't.... What gives? Any Ideas?

TXP3064W
12-08-06, 08:53 PM
I have an OPPODV971H coupled w/a H31 Optoma PJ. Should I output 1080i/720p to this PJ, which is 854x480 rez. Or does this provide no benefit at all? Should I just run 480p out to the PJ? My H31 does have some 1080i settings, but it's not a native HD PJ. I'm getting conflicting information as to what input would be best from the Oppo to my PJ. Of course I am utilizing the DVI..........................

nate358
12-08-06, 09:13 PM
ok so I updated to the newest firmware.... still won't play!


TXP3064W- You should put it on whatever "looks best to you." If you had the HQV Benchmark DVD then you could tell, but if you just pick a scene and just play it on each setting then you'll be able to tell. I had this DVD player hooked up to a 4805 (same rez as yours) and had it set to 720P. I can tell you that the Bravo D1 is the best player for that rez of projector because you can pixel map it. But when you go to an HD projector This is a much better player. Hope this helps.... Now if I could get this Ice Age the Meltdown to work! I'm about to have a meltdown!

Rijax
12-08-06, 11:59 PM
Weird! I rented (Blockbuster) and watched it on my 971 the day it was released. You might try taking the disc back to the rental store and swapping for a different copy.

Neuromancer
12-09-06, 06:52 PM
I have an OPPODV971H coupled w/a H31 Optoma PJ. Should I output 1080i/720p to this PJ, which is 854x480 rez. Or does this provide no benefit at all? Should I just run 480p out to the PJ? My H31 does have some 1080i settings, but it's not a native HD PJ. I'm getting conflicting information as to what input would be best from the Oppo to my PJ. Of course I am utilizing the DVI..........................

There is likely no benefit to using anything other than 480p from a DVD player for yur projector. You can use 720p and see if there is any benefit to doing a downscale, but I personally do not believe so.

peekpoke
05-14-07, 02:10 PM
I'm interested in getting this Oppo DVD player and also have the Sony GWII...has your a/v sync issue been resolved yet?

Not with DIVX/XVID content. I have the 11-0830 firmware, and when using the DVI output the sync is terrible.

I've given up, and am using a PC to playback instead.

Sad.

Neuromancer
05-14-07, 02:14 PM
Have you used the Delay controls on the DVD unit?

Have you turned Off all high-end video processing on your display, as this will also cause synchronization errors?

Wichard20
05-15-07, 10:10 AM
i posted this hoping to find an answer, i been doing research and i found a post mentioning a workaround for playing divx videos in 640x480 but no mention of the work around, the problem I am expirencing is the top/bottom is cutoff of the divx avi video. My best workaround so far is to set the oppo to 480p in standard mode, zoom out to 1/2 and then zoom X1 with the tv and it appears the image is displayed correctly with no cropping. This is with a native 720p samsung 32 lcd.

peekpoke
05-15-07, 07:47 PM
Have you used the Delay controls on the DVD unit?

Have you turned Off all high-end video processing on your display, as this will also cause synchronization errors?

It turned out that it was nothing to do with the video processing settings on my display or video settings in the Oppo DVD player.

I contacted Oppo support, sent them all my settings, and they told me to change the SPDIF RAW to SPDIF PCM.

That change appears to fix the problem.