Originally posted by Gsthe1
Yes, I have noticed the lip-sync problem with my Oppo over the few weeks I have owned it (optical digital fed to a HK 7000Z receiver). I haven't seen any other reports of it here till now and had been using the delay feature on the receiver to compensate - but the amount of delay necessary seems to change from dvd to dvd or from time to time on the same dvd being played, it seems like. Didn't have any such problem with the Bravo D1 before, with the same receiver- but it 's quite noticeable with a pj on a 120" screen. I'll try your stop-then-play procedure and see if it corrects it.

Bob

Same problem here - stop and play doesn't seem to fix it.

I've found the problem only occurs with non-Dolby 5.1 DVDs. I have a Stereo Dolby digital and it still exhibits it, but none of the Dolby 5.1 surrounds seem to have the problem.

Major issue though, and I find it hard to see how they'll be able to fix something like that via a firmware update...

Well, I'm SOLD! I spent more time this weekend watching some reasonably good quality DVD's on the Oppo, coupled to my calibrated DLPTV. On those disks, I saw no macroblocking, no shimmering, just exactly what was recorded (warts and all). It was pure pleasure, and SO much nicer than my old component connection.

However, if I'm going to keep this player, I expect OppoDigital to make all the changes on the "Fix List". They are all too serious to just ignore.

I have also OCCASIONALLY noticed a lip-sync issue on the Oppo, but it was not severe, and I could not be sure if it was the DVD ITSELF that was badly synchronized.

Damian Allen, did you check your Dolby stereo tracks on another player?

Incidentally, a lip-sync issue is a VIDEO delay, not a sound delay. It occurs due to the huge amount of video processing the Faroudja deinterlacing/scaling chip has to do. It becomes a bug if the delay is variable and extreme. My Samsung TV had a severe dose of this issue. Their fix brought the delay within specified tolerance (still noticeable, not as variable). But they may have throttled back the amount of processing that was going on - some people felt that the PQ was affected negatively.

Gary

Some of the newer receivers have a group delay on the audio to fix that problem.

Originally posted by GSB
did you check your Dolby stereo tracks on another player?


Oh yes. The delay's present and significant in all the non-5.1 surround DVDs I've tried. I'm running DVI out, and it doesn't matter if I use 480p, 720p or 1080i - they all suffer from major lip-sync issues.

Two more emails from service@oppodigital.com, here are the highlights.

Just want to check in to see how you are doing with the Oppo OPDV971H. The issues you reported are being worked upon by our Engineering team and we are hoping to release a firmware fix soon.

Oppo always wants you to be a happy customer. We'd like to friendly remind you of our full refund policy: if you are not satisfied with the Oppo OPDV971H, you can return it for a full refund within 30 days of the purchase.

and

Thanks for communicating with us. We have developed a firmware release and are taking time to test it right now - We want to ensure it is a stable, quality release. It will fix a big portion of the bugs reported and we hope to release it to the general public very soon.

We are sorry that you are having so many problems with the player. While we strive to resolve the problems, a small portion of them may take longer than the next release will address. Some of them may also be display-related compatibility issues beyond our control. For that reason, we friendly offer to take the player back for full refund to you. Thanks again for your patience and understanding.

Maybe he's reading the forums and wants to shut me up and that's why he keeps offering money back. :D

Well, this is good news for me too. I bought a Sony DVD player that works flawlessly (actually, the PQ is close, surprisingly, but the Oppo has a very slight edge). If they can fix the 4:3, Subtitles, and not losing your DVI setting on shutdown with the first firmware, I still have time to return either player. At this current point, I could care less about any of the other issues although I'd take having them fixed at some point down the road.

On that note, I noticed that the sound on the Oppo is really inferior to the Sony. The Sony has SACD so in theory, the DACs would be better, but I'm using digital output on both so that's not right. The biggest thing I noticed is that the sound on the Oppo is softer. I can obviously compensate by turning up the volume, but it feels bandwidth limited. For example, the bass is not as strong on the Oppo (I'm calibrating both while testing and the difference is noticeable even after the extended downtime of tweaking the settings).

Any ideas on how the sound could differ so much using a digital output?

Charles J P, if you are using the DIGITAL audio output, the player simply sends the bitstream from the DVD and the receiver does the decoding. Something else must be changing. What are you listening to? CD's or DVD's? And are you using the optical output or the coax?

Gary

GSB, I'm using bitstream out (i.e. one isnt accidentally set to PCM) on both players and the same optical cable going to the receiver for both. I recalibrated in between.

Originally posted by Charles J P
I'm using bitstream out (i.e. one isnt accidentally set to PCM) on both players and the same optical cable going to the receiver for both. I recalibrated in between. Ill try this tonight - I have 2 optical-output players.

But what, exactly, are you recalibrating? And are you making comparative measurements, or judging by ear?

Gary

But what, exactly, are you recalibrating? I'm making sure the speaker levels are adjusted for each DVD player.

And are you making comparative measurements, or judging by ear? I'm judging by ear. I know for a fact that the levels are lower, because I have to turn the receiver up quite a bit louder to even hear the dialog on some films. The bass and treble is more of a subjective issue. It sounds like the bass is rolled of with the Oppo.

Let us know your results and dont let my experience bias you too much.

OK, maybe I'll have a chance to try this tonight. I have a sound intensity level meter. Will keep you posted.

Gary

Last night I compared the optical digital audio output from the Oppo and another player, using a sound level intensity meter and the Avia test tones & sweeps.

Not surprisingly, the results were identical in volume and frequency response, all the way down to 30Hz (the lower limit of the test meter). The subwoofer crossover point and the LFE channel were identical too. If set correctly, both players send the digital bitstream directly from the DVD, untouched by the player. The receiver does all the decoding, amplification, and bass management. There is no reason to recalibrate anything from player to player.

Charles J P, if you have to turn the receiver up on the Oppo, something has not been set correctly. Make sure that the SPDIF output is set to "RAW" in both players, and that no Dynamic Range Compression (DRC) or other "features" are being used. Recalibrating your speakers, or making any other changes to your receiver's audio modes could cause an audible change too.

Gary

I received my Oppo unit yesterday, all i can say is that the player looks solid! Packaged very well, all cable nicely packaged also.

I only have components at the moment until I purchase a HDMI converter, but the output looks absolutely fantastic compared to some SONY units I tested. The audio is also excellent!

Well try out the unit properly end of the week!

well, here's my dillema,
i really like the oppo and since my wife recently fried our phillips 642, im considering the OPPO. I am also considering a Mac Mini since it can most likely act as a worthy media hub (DVI out) and cn play DivX HD... etc... but... last night after getting my DVI --> HDMI (since my TV only takes in HDMI and not DVI) i noticed the the TV would only play in 720p after hooking my powerbook up to it... looked good.. but still.. it wasnt 1080i... :mad: oh well.. back to my initial question... has anyone used the OPPO on a HITACHI 51F510 (rptv) succesfully in 1080i? i am very clsoe to getting one... very close... just wanna make sure it will work alright for me... and has anyone used this in a similar configuration??? does it look good? better than, say, a phillips 642?

.TheMilkman

Super fast ship on the Oppo, ordered it Saturday it arrived Tuesday Double boxed. It's a solid unit, heavy & similar in size to a XP30.

No lip sync or sound level issue running to my HK7200.

This is the fastest reacting DVD player I've even owned in all areas, stop/start/advance, even the tray loading - watch your fingers :)

The video is scary sharp/detailed you see way more facile blemishes, freckles etc. :)

De-interlacing thru DVI is excellent, Played the Galaxy Quest spaceship intro smooth, chapter 12 Gladiator rooftops panning over the Coliseum was extremely smooth, STrek Insurrection rooftops same deal. These are all a given with the Faroudja chip.

Didn't notice any Macro B problems. The player does deep blacks and doesn't crush the whites.

For me all it needs is Letterbox Support for NA-widescreen dvds if possible, plus 4.3 cropping. I don't think it's HDCP either.
nice player!

Anyone notice the pause button will act like an advance button at times. I'd hv to back track and then hit pause to get it to work right? Made tuning the grayscale with colorfacts a little difficult.

I have a 4 years old 65" Toshiba HD rear-projection TV without the DVI port :( I understand that this DVD player does not upconvert through component. So based on this info, am I hosed or is there anything I can do/buy to utilize this feature?

If Oppo can devise a firmware to do 480p thru the component outs maybe the rest will follow, 720p, 1080i.

Originally posted by guitarman
Anyone notice the pause button will act like an advance button at times.
Yes - Once paused, pressing the pause button again will advance one frame (?) with each press. That was a bit of a surprise, but I have really enjoyed using that feature. I like this player a lot.

guitarman, 480p over component cannot be done with firmware. OppoDigital has confirmed this and apologized for the inconvenience.

RLReady, what you described is a FEATURE... but guitarman has found a DEFECT. I also noticed that the pause button sometimes causes a chapter-skip in Avia, for some reason.

Another thing: On ANY DVD, the backward chapter-skip button does not skip to the beginning of the chapter you are currently watching - it skips to the PREVIOUS chapter. Grrrr.

Gary

1080i works on my Hitachi 51uwx20b which your TV model replaced.

At this price level, Oppo Digital certainly made the right choices in hardware. It responds seriously quickly (layer change too), the sound output is excellent, and aside from a few firmware defects, the picture over DVI is excellent. Once they repair the firmware issues (as promised), this will certainly be a killer player, able to compete with FAR more expensive players.

This is a list of firmware defects, that I will be maintaining and sending to the engineers at OPPO Digital.

I updated the defect list and moved it to the end of the thread today.

Gary

My unit's loading tray does close when I turn it off with remote. Don't remember if I ever touched the power button on the unit though.

No PAL should NOT output @ 50 hz. I hope you don't mean if NTSC is selected as the display.

Originally posted by nothru22
No PAL should NOT output @ 50 hz. I hope you don't mean if NTSC is selected as the display. nothru22, no, I mean if a PAL DVD is played on a PAL display. This is a forum with international appeal, but if I'm causing confusion, I'll remove the PAL reference.

Gary

GSB, I reported the PAL problem. On a PAL TV, the Oppo should output 50Hz at 720p/1080i from a Region 2 DVD. You are correct, and Nothru is assuming (incorrectly) an NTSC TV.

If the TV is NTSC, then it will (and DOES) output 60Hz.

Thanks Rich4av, I'll keep the PAL reference then, and simply be more specific.

Originally posted by stephenju
My unit's loading tray does close when I turn it off with remote. Don't remember if I ever touched the power button on the unit though. stephenju, thanks for pointing that out... mine also works with the remote. I have always used the power button on the unit after removing a disk, and the tray doesn't close. I'll be more specific on this one too.

Gary

Anyone see this around the Oppo logo? This looks like macroblocking, but it does not move, and its visible both in the light and dark blue areas.

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
RLReady, what you described is a FEATURE... but guitarman has found a DEFECT. I also noticed that the pause button sometimes causes a BACKWARD chapter skip, particularly in Avia, for some reason.
That is interesting Gary. I have never had a paused picture do anything but inch forward when the Pause button is pressed again. I have tried it on quite a few disks, although all were films or TV shows, not a "set-up" disk, like Avia. Maybe the Avia disk is encoded a bit differently. This is a fully intended feature, as the button is labeled Pause/Step, and the description on page 5 of the manual states Pause/Step Button - Pause or play frame by frame.. I personally like this "feature", and hope that it is not removed in a future firmware release, although as it is a documented feature, I can't see why they would.

We are getting ready to build a new house, and we will be putting in a dedicated theater room. I am considering the Panasonic AE700 projector. Has anyone used the Oppo with this particular Panny PJ? How does it do? What other projectors are people using with this player?

Thanks.

Dick,

I'm using it with a Runco 710 via DVI.

Dick,

I am using it with brand new BenQ 5120 via DVI.

Sergey.

GSB,

I can faintly see it at 540p when about 1 foot from my screen. I do not see it at any other resolution. I'm connected DVI.

GSB,

I haven't seen any macroblocking. I had to forage around the forum to find an example of it and have looked for it in similar scenes. Nada. My projector is DLP also.

Originally posted by wensteph
I can faintly see it at 540p when about 1 foot from my screen. I do not see it at any other resolution. I'm connected DVI. In that case, you probably do not see much macroblocking either. Is that true?

My display is a DLP RPTV, and is rather unforgiving of minor flaws - they show up as major flaws - macroblocking included.

Gary

Originally posted by wensteph
I haven't seen any macroblocking. I had to forage around the forum to find an example of it and have looked for it in similar scenes. Nada. My projector is DLP also. Fascinating.

I also have a good DVI LCD monitor that I use as a sanity check. It has a much smoother response than the DLP (which has minor banding in grayscale ramps). The LCD's lower contrast ratio also helps mask any banding that could be coming from the source.

However, the LCD monitor shows this flaw in the logo too, but it is more subdued.

When viewing my photo of the logo on a CRT monitor, it also looks more subdued than it is in real life.

Gary

GSB,

I'll check the logo out again tonight to see if it is more apparant. Maybe the ambient light is washing it out.

Originally posted by GSB
Anyone see this around the Oppo logo? This looks like macroblocking, but it does not move, and its visible both in the light and dark blue areas.

Gary

This could be macroblocking but it looks more like a artifact from the generator used to make the logo. It is a hard difference between two colors.

You can see an artifact very similar to this in the DVD of Sinbad with the big ladies hair.

Kris - Are you planning on testing this guy?

Well, it seems that "Secrets" is planning to test this player, but Kris Deering will not be doing the testing.

I noticed that OppoDigital is already listed in the "Manufacturer" drop-down box in the "Secrets DVD benchmark advanced search", even though nothing shows up when you hit the "Get Results" button.

I have no doubt that the player will fail a few of the tests, but we could do with some solid feedback for the manufacturer.

Gary

At the moment, I have purchased a Denon 1910, but since my basement is not done, I have yet to use it. This Oppo sounds interesting, but with so many people having buging units and others with no problems, I have yet to return the Denon. I would hate to deal with the shipping costs of getting a unit that works.

Originally posted by Bruno1453
This Oppo sounds interesting, but with so many people having buging units and others with no problems, I have yet to return the Denon. I can assure you that ALL of our units currently experience the defects I listed above. But many of them will not affect you at all (e.g. the PAL problem). The other defects bother some people more than others, depending on their display, their connection, their preferences or expectations, and whether their setup is properly calibrated or not.

Oppodigital has promised that defects will be addressed with firmware upgrades that can be downloaded and applied by the user.

The Oppo works extremely well, even in its current revision. Only one or two unfortunate people have received "bad" units.

Gary

Originally posted by Bruno1453
At the moment, I have purchased a Denon 1910,
I had just purchased a 1910 as well when I started hearing of the Oppo. I ordered it and did my own side-by-side comparisons and preferred the Oppo quite a bit more. Nothing but mt eyes to judge the response and performance. I have since returned the Denon. I felt that the colors were better on the Oppo (significant green push on the Denon), the response from the remote was better, the layer change was better, the build seemed to my hands to be a bot stronger as well.

The best way for you to tell is to do the same - go ahead and order the Oppo, check them out together and return the one that looses in your eyes.

Just my 2 cents. :)

Is there any word on timing of the first firmware release yet? I'm trying to decide how long I can wait before sending it back. I dont want to drop it in the mail and then have a firmware released the same day. I'm not asking for an exact date, but does anyone have any idea when we can expect something?

Originally posted by Charles J P
Is there any word on timing of the first firmware release yet? Extremephono guessed we might have the first release around the end of the month. I think that's a bit hopeful, but you never know.

We'll post it as soon as we know for sure.

Gary

I sent Oppo an email asking them a release date and did not get a response. He responded to my other email quickly so I would guess that means "don't ask right now."

Originally posted by nothru22
I sent Oppo an email asking them a release date and did not get a response. He responded to my other email quickly so I would guess that means "don't ask right now." Thanks for keeping us posted on their correspondence.

Gary

Originally posted by RLReady
I had just purchased a 1910 as well when I started hearing of the Oppo. I ordered it and did my own side-by-side comparisons and preferred the Oppo quite a bit more. Nothing but mt eyes to judge the response and performance. I have since returned the Denon. I felt that the colors were better on the Oppo (significant green push on the Denon), the response from the remote was better, the layer change was better, the build seemed to my hands to be a bot stronger as well.

The best way for you to tell is to do the same - go ahead and order the Oppo, check them out together and return the one that looses in your eyes.

Just my 2 cents. :)

I have a Magenta look to the image. I thought I could clean it up with a colorfacts grayscale tuning but couldn't. I even used the Sharpness variation with no luck. Does everybody get natural colors here? I used DVI to a Optoma H77 which finer points are natural colors.

Here, similar to this members picture.
http://www.cigarbest.com/sales/oppo2.jpg

Originally posted by guitarman
I have a Magenta look to the image. Odd, I have not heard anyone complain about this. Is your grayscale magenta, or is it the color decoder?

Do you have another display/ PC monitor to try it on?

I have an Optoma RD50 which is how found out the player's not HDCP. I'll double check it but pretty sure it's the same.

I got a perfect 6500k with colorfacts. After I didn't like the result I went back to the Toshiba HDMI and re-ran colorfacts and the Tosh look perfect, same for the Bravo D1. Maybe somethings up with my player. But you can see from the picture above that user has the same problem. Maybe he doesn't have the tuning capiblities but I pulled out all the stops. :)

The Sharpness alters the problem but not enough. I also used the (Auto) setup choice in P/L. NTSC was the same.

Originally posted by guitarman
I got a perfect 6500k with colorfacts. After I didn't like the result I went back to the Toshiba HDMI and re-ran colorfacts and the Tosh look perfect, same for the Bravo D1. If you got a perfect 6500k, then there is no magenta cast in the grayscale, so it must be the color decoding that's at fault. But is it the Oppo, or the display?

You tested 2 other players and they SEEMED fine, but you used an HDMI connection. By the way, the picture you referenced has already been criticized for camera inaccuracies. Have you used a color decoder test pattern to measure the results from each player?

It is also known that the default color output from the Oppo is over-saturated. To make a fair comparison, you need to calibrate the saturation AS WELL as the brightness/contrast/grayscale for each player. The Oppo's most neutral color saturation is obtained by setting the sharpness control to "Medium" (its a mislabeled control).

After setting the "Sharpness" (actually saturation) to "Medium", I was able to get Red and Blue to match, but Green was -10% on my DLP. However, I suspect this TV deliberately attenuates green to tone down its infamous "flourescent greens". My DVI LCD monitor is perfect for all 3 colors, and I do not see a magenta cast on either display.

Anyone with Avia, could you please see if green is low on the "Color Decoder Check" pattern.

Gary

After setting the "Sharpness" (actually saturation) to "Medium", I was able to get Red and Blue to match, but Green was still -10% on my DLP.

I'll take a look at the Y/C to see how the Sharpness options effect it.

It may be a simple fix with the y/c firmware. I talked with the company a minute ago. They may let me be an early adopter or testor for the soon to be firmware. I'll be fast if that's the case.

The sharpness control does not affect Y/C delay at all - only saturation.

This evening, I investigated the Pause malfunction in Avia. It never malfunctions during motion sequences, like the moving zone plates. It ONLY happens in the stills. Sometimes, and very randomly, pushing the pause button causes a chapter-skip (usually forwards). If it does pause correctly, and you press play, then pause again, the player stops accepting ANY commands from the remote, until the still pattern times out. At that stage, it executes the last command or two that you pressed on the remote. A strange little quirk.

Gary

IMO, one thing AVIA should NOT be used to test is player quirks like this. The disk has WAY too many chapters etc. The players I have right now BOTH act weird with AVIA. For example, regardless of where I am in the disk, if I press stop once, then play to restart, it goes to the white-level test pattern, regardless of where I was in the disk. This occurs with both the oppo and the sony. I think its the amount of stuff crammed into Avia that makes it behave strangely.

To do a grayscale tuning you use full gray fields from 10 to 100 IRE moving and pausing each one, up and back also. This is where the pause jump can get annoying but normal use it wouldn't bother me as much.

Originally posted by Charles J P
IMO, one thing AVIA should NOT be used to test is player quirks like this. The disk has WAY too many chapters etc. The players I have right now BOTH act weird with AVIA. For example, regardless of where I am in the disk, if I press stop once, then play to restart, it goes to the white-level test pattern, regardless of where I was in the disk. This occurs with both the oppo and the sony. I think its the amount of stuff crammed into Avia that makes it behave strangely. Thats very interesting. But hold the phone!...

My 7-year-old mainsteam Pioneer has played Avia FLAWLESSLY through endless hours of calibrations. Why should we expect less of this latest crop of fancy, hi-tech, and expensive, upconverting players?

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
Thats very interesting. But hold the phone!...

My 7-year-old mainsteam Pioneer has played Avia FLAWLESSLY through endless hours of calibrations. Why should we expect less of this latest crop of fancy, hi-tech, and expensive, upconverting players?

Gary

$200 is an expensive upconverting player? I can't imagine your 7 year old Pioneer cost less than $200.

Chris

Originally posted by Chris Gerhard
$200 is an expensive upconverting player? I can't imagine your 7 year old Pioneer cost less than $200. You're absolutely right. What I meant is: These upconverting players are more expensive than the mainstream players of TODAY.

Gary

I've retracted my post about the sound volume being low on the ANALOG outputs. I think my receiver was incorrectly set. The volume and sound quality is perfect.

The Oppo provides a useful setup menu option anyway, called "Channel Trim", for adjusting the output level on any of the analog outputs.

Gary

In comparing the Oppo specs to the Bravo D2 specs, I noticed that the Oppo does not list support for DVD-A(udio)...at least DVD-A is not listed in the "Support Media" section on the ExtremePhono site. Not that this a deal killer but wondering if any existing Oppo owners can talk to it's support/lack thereof for DVD-A's.

It does not do DVD-A. They have said that a future firmware update will add DVD-A.

Just wanted you guys to know that I had bought a Samsung hd931 and had terrible black crush and the picture was grainy. I sold it on Ebay and bought a momitsu v880n. Still was not satisfied so I sold it. I finally bought a phillips dvd q50at. It has the farouja chip with DCDI. I was able to adjust the black level, chroma and gamma to get the perfect picture.
Let me tell you that the picture is better then the two upconverting dvd
players I bought. I have a Toshiba 36HF73 CRT hdtv which by specs can
upconvert to 1080i. I am patiently waiting for the blue ray dvd players to
come out and work out all the bugs. The only glitch in the phillips is occasional 1 second freezes. This usually happens only once a movie and
phillips has no firmware fix. Not to happy with phillips. This dvd player
retailed for 400 dollars originally and you would think they would have a fix or I am baffled on who test these players.

We are testing a new firmware released 1/29/2005. If everything works out, we will soon post the URL for downloading within the next 48 hours. Obviously not all the bugs/wishes were eliminated, but most importantly, this release provides:
1) 4:3 pillar box under 16:9 display
2) DVI setting is saved
3) DVD-Audio is now supported.

Well, for me, if this comes out and works, it shows god faith and I am confident that the other things will get fixed. On top of which, the only other thing that I would really like to work is the subtitles. Its just one of those little things that I think a player should do right. But for now, thumbs up to Oppo and Extreme Phono for looking out for their customer.

Originally posted by Extremephono
We are testing a new firmware released 1/29/2005. This is exciting news! Extremephono, thank you for keeping us up to date. I'm delighted that OppoDigital is serious about their commitment to their customers.

I strongly believe that once the bugs have been worked out, this will be one of the best upconverting players on the market, because the choice of hardware is outstanding and the price is right.

Gary

PS, to GSB (and anyone else that read my post a while back about lower levels on the digital audio ouptut). I did some more testing and the digital audio output sounds the same on both players (originally I thought there was something wrong with it, but I dont think so any more.)

Does anyone use this player to play MP3 files? I tried it and find some issues:

* The skip buttons don't seem to work. Pressing skip next doesn't advance to the next file. Or am I using the wrong buttons?

* I store songs from the same album into a folder on the CD. How do I jump between folders quickly? Without looking at the TV, that is. Since I don't always turn the TV on when listening the music.

* The filename display doesn't seem to handle non-English characters. Kind of disappointed since the maker is from a country with the most complicated writing language. :)

Goodmorning, users with Avia could you run a test with me. I want' to make sure it's not just my display.

Remember I talked about hot color or magenta look.

In NTSC land only. Run the Avia Color decoder check with the P/L set to Auto or NTSC. I get about a 15% increase and also if I check the basic Blue Bars color check I won't get a stable color ready.

Now if I set the Oppo to PAL using a NTSC dvd everything will be perfect. Color decoder will check out right and simple Blue bars color check will be correct and stable.

Pls report back, thx

New firmware!

http://www.oppodigital.com/support.htm

Originally posted by stephenju
Does anyone use this player to play MP3 files? I tried it and find some issues:

* The skip buttons don't seem to work. Pressing skip next doesn't advance to the next file. Or am I using the wrong buttons?

* I store songs from the same album into a folder on the CD. How do I jump between folders quickly? Without looking at the TV, that is. Since I don't always turn the TV on when listening the music.

* The filename display doesn't seem to handle non-English characters. Kind of disappointed since the maker is from a country with the most complicated writing language. :)

I use this player quite a bit, and it works perfectly. Oppo has a nice window style browser. However, without turning on your TV, you can simply press the down arrow followed by play to move to another song. It handles non-english titles fine for me, though I play chinese songs. What language is the player having problems with?

I'll try to confirm the PAL/NTSC color decoding.

The firmware sets the player to 1080i as a default and it now closes the drawer when you turn the power off. The good news is that the waving is gone as far as I can tell but the shimmering is still there, but it might be lessened. 480p is no longer a choice using the DVI button and that could be a problem as that's the best way to watch movies with really bad macroblocking. I wonder if they could use the fixes Panasonic has recently implimented in their player. I have one DVD-A but I don't want to run all the cables so I won't be trying that out. Definitely a step in the right direction! Bring back 480p!!!

Nothru, read the directions. Put disc 2 in and upgrade with that after upgrading with disc 1.

I made the same stupid mistake, until I realized you needed both discs.

What stupid mistake? I used both discs and upgraded sucessfully.

How did you find the firmware? I understand it's still beta, anyhow how's it working for you?

I think the color fix will be huge. Remember an earlier member posting comparison pictures with the Denon 3910 thinking the 3910 was more natural for him. Once this is fixed, bye bye Denon. :)

I'm really getting to like the speed of this player.

The link I provided a few posts up is directly to the OppoDigital suppot page. Did the player have color and brightness settings before? Because it does now. Shimmering still makes it unwatchable for me, but I use it for xvids in the meantime. They don't exhibit the shimmering. I sent an email off to their support team with my findings.

Using only disc 1 will result in 4:3 not working and the player being locked into 1080i.

I was wondering what I did wrong till I read the instructions.

So why do you think I did something wrong Stimby? And now I actually do have 480p back. When I first upgraded, I could only switch between 720p and 1080i. Now after powering down and back up it is working. 4:3 mode works properly, even if it does have black bars.

There was brightness and contrast color is new. Color may help the decoder color push, maybe- long shot.

We had a problem with seeing these files. Had to move them from a PC to a Mac that has the CD/burner. Setting the burner to image it couldn't locate the transported files.

Keep checking Avia for the PAL/ntsc color change. Tuned correctly in NTSC with Avia the color patterns outside flashing boxes would be flashing (wrong) plus the tone level of the lower boxes could never match, same for the tint/hue. Only playing in PAL would settle things down, tones-flashing went perfect.

edit forget about the PAL/ntsc. Moving sharpness to high enabled a clean color decoder and color saturation test. But I did calibrate with colorfacts at Medium Sharpness/color saturation level.

Not out of the wood yet though, I'll have to re-calibrate to 65k in high sharpness setting to see what's up.

Eh my bad, I misread your post, thought you said it was locked in 1080i

Updated the Oppo firmware with following notes:

Instructions say upgrading will take about 15 seconds before the tray opens. Took 2 or 3 seconds to upgrade each disc for me once the tray closed and the upgrade process started.

After disc 2 loads (watching through DVI connection) I get a blank screen. After about 30 seconds I pushed Play anyway without seeing the instruction to do so.

Nevertheless, firmware upgraded correctly.

Still a ways to go before this player is a true winner, but it has potential.

Really, really wish they would get rid of the status indicators after a couple seconds when using zoom modes and fast forwarding, and add the proper controls for setting not only brightness and contrast but also sharpness (image is too sharp, needs to be set back) and hue and saturation and gamma (would like to see 15 or more positions for each of these controls to fine tune them).

Love how rock solid this player operates so far compared to the Momitsu.

Even with extended use (burning in for 24 hrs straight) there is almost no heat produced. Impressive for a player with this pedigree.

I'm using DVI 480p/576p to an iScan HD and them using component out at 1080i to my Sony RPTV.

Has anyone else who has done the firmware noticed that they DONT have a color control? What menu is color under? I still only have brightness and contrast, but the squeeze part works so I think it took. I may just run through the process again.

Firmware upgrade went ok. Put on Star Wars V and the opening story line looked like it was moving over water or a slightly corragated sheet metal. The little open space in a lower case "e" was jumping up and down. Gack!! Picture was stretched and the new fw defaulted the display to Normal/LB, changed it to Wide and everything is fine. (16:9 screen)

Did anyone else have a color change? Contrast and Tint stayed the same, but Color went from 25 to 23 and Brightness from 27 to 23. That's just off the THX Optomizer, I haven't run it through Avia yet.

I do not have a color control.

I was having MAJOR problems with my Oppo. When I turned it on (before fiimware UG) it would flicker, have green sparklies, and the picture would move up and down the screen, similar to out of control verticle on an old direct view crt. Sometimes the player would make my HLP 5674W freeze.

Now it's all gone. I was waiting for the UG just in case it did something. It did!

Don't ask how, all the problems are gone. After taking peeks at Pirates, SW AOTC, everything works great!

I haven't tried DVD-Audio yet.

I don't have color control either.

Thanks to all who post here, it's helps fools like me;)

And thanks to Casey and the folks over at Extremephone! They were ready to do whatever it took to make this customer happy.

Noticed some new audio feature, such as 192Khz output. Anyone tried this? I don't have a 192Khz DAC to test, but if this work, I have an excuse to buy a new DAC.

Seems to work fine with me, though I'm not very good at detecting minor differences in sound quality.

I'm not sure what's going on, but I've seen two different CD2.iso versions on the OppoDigital site. EDIT: The first version was the unofficial Beta release, not for the general public. We jumped the gun.

As CJayB reported, it took 2-3 seconds (not 15) to eject each CD after pressing play.

I have not tested DVD-Audio yet. The new wide/squeeze setting works fine, but the DVI setting does not save when powering off - it still defaults to 480p. EDIT: This only occurs when the "TV type" is set to "Auto" instead of "NTSC" or "PAL".

Contrary to the post by nothru22, the loading tray does NOT close when you power-off on the unit, only when you use the remote. Nothing changed there.

Contrary to the post by nothru22, there is no "Color" control. When he said:" Did the player have color and brightness settings before?" he must have meant: "CONTRAST and Brightness", unless ANOTHER version of the firware was available earlier.

Before the upgrade, as GoSpurs99 reported, I had also experienced a few times when the picture became corrupted over DVI (vertical scrolling, squeezing, splitting, zigzagging, even audible wailing from the DLPTV as it struggled to sync!) Thankfully, the upgrade SEEMS to have fixed that.

Busybusy, there is no need to buy a 192Khz DAC. Just use the analog output - the DAC is already built into the unit. The Oppo spec includes: "192 KHz Sampling Frequency, 24-Bit High Quality Audio DAC".

Gary

I havent had any problems after the upgrade. It appears the squeeze of 4:3 material works, as well as mine appears to be keeping its DVI resolution setting at power down.

Yes, that was my mistake. I wrote color and I meant contrast. Typing too fast. My tray definitely closes when I press the power button on the remote control and the unit goes to standby.

My tray does not close when I press the off/standby button on the front. It does close when I turn power back on. It does close when I turn the player off using the remote.

Mine does remember the resolution on powerdown. Shut it down at 720p, comes back on at 720p. Have not tried it with any other resolution.

A 4:3 DVD is not stretched.

Anyone with an Oppo seen a Denon 1910? Would a switch be worth it? Or would a Panasonic 97S be better?

...and I'd throw in the Bravo D2 as well...curious if anyone can compare the Oppo to it...

Originally posted by nothru22
My tray definitely closes when I press the power button on the remote control and the unit goes to standby. nothru22, the loading tray has always closed when using the power-off button on the remote. It does NOT close when you press the power-off button on the front of the player.

Gary

Well, I'm still right then. :D :D :D :D

Originally posted by Bruno1453
Anyone with an Oppo seen a Denon 1910? Would a switch be worth it? Or would a Panasonic 97S be better?
I had just bought the 1910 when I started to hear of the Oppo player. I went ahead and ordered the Oppo so I could try them both side by side and see which I preferred. I have a Denon receiver that I am very happy with, so I had high opes for the 1910. However, I ended up returning the Denon and keeping the Oppo. I felt that most everything was better on the Oppo - the picture was crisper and the Denon had a green push that I didn't like ... the overall build was better and stronger on the Oppo ... much quicker response from the remote ... to name a few. Now with the firmware fix for a number of the issues (albeit somewhat minor issues to me) released in a rather short time-frame (the player itself started shipping only about 6 weeks ago), I feel pretty comfortable with my choice. The other two you mention are more expensive than and, IMHO, don't have anything over the Oppo.

Originally posted by nothru22
Well, I'm still right then. :D :D :D :D Heheh! Right you are.

Anyone tested the DVD-Audio yet?

Gary

Trying do do the upgrade. I downloaded both onto seperate CD-R's, when I inserted #1, it say's "Unkown Disc." What the He11? What am I doing wrong?

Trying to do the upgrade. I downloaded both onto separate CD-R's, when I inserted #1, it say's "Unknown Disc." What the He11? What am I doing wrong?

First of all, did you use a burning program that unpacked the ISO? You cant just burn the ISO to a CD. An ISO is an "image" file of a bunch of different files. Kind of like a zip file can actually contain more than one document.

Secondly, if you DID burn the actual files and not just the ISO file, I would say that when I upgraded the firmware on my Bravo, I discovered that some players still arent incredibly adept at reading CD-Rs, especially "shady" media. If I burned the disks at a lower speed, they worked. These files are super small, so burn at 1x. Of course, I'd guess its the ISO issue, not a "bad media" issu.

Hi Deaf,

When you are making the firmware discs, are you doing a "burn image to disc" operation? If not, you should.

Don't do it making a data disc or something else.

Hope this helps.

Dave

I do not own the oppo but I do have experience with burning ISO files.

A great free program is "Burn at Once" it is shareware and is very simple
to use. Burns great image disks. I find it much better than Nero or Roxio
for ISO files. You can download it at the link below.

http://www.burnatonce.com/

Just open the file from where you downloaded it and hit write.

That is all there is to it using "Burn At Once."

A little bit of confusion here...

oppodigital.com says the player upconverts from 480i(nterlaced) to 720p or 1080i.

Is that correct? Or is it 480p(rogressive) to 720p or 1080i?

Thanks westly, the Burnatonce did the trick. :)

Pimp, it's 408i, which all commercial DVD's are.

It's a pretty close call between the Oppo and the D2, I'd take the oppo though, The level of quality control in the Bravo D2 is somewhat worrying. I've never had a 1910.

All commercial DVDs are 480i.

Edit: I found a difference between the new and the old, the new one plays DVD-Audio successfully, the old one doesn't. Probaly a last minute bugfix.

Crap, looks like I spoke too soon.

DVI settings not saved after power down.

Could there be two versions of the FW?

GoSpurs99,

I'd try the upgrade again. A previous post linking to the freeware burnatonce is good. I had better luck burning the disks with that program than I did with Nero when I was updating my Momitsu. Also, follow the instructions on the oppo site verbatum. It really should be working for you.

After spending the night reading these 31 pages this looks likes it might be my next purchase. Currently I have a 30 inch samsung crt so I might not get all the benefits but even so I think it might be right for me. I only have a few questions

Even though divx hd is not currently supported could this be something that a firmware update could fix or is it something that would require more processing power ( divx hd on my laptop runs at 80%cpu of a 1.4 pentium m)

Also this may seem simple but I just wanted to clairfy, does it matter the medium that I burn divx on e.g. can i use either a cd or dvd.

Thanks Andy

Originally posted by Stimby
It's a pretty close call between the Oppo and the D2, I'd take the oppo though, The level of quality control in the Bravo D2 is somewhat worrying. I've never had a 1910.

All commercial DVDs are 480i.

Edit: I found a difference between the new and the old, the new one plays DVD-Audio successfully, the old one doesn't. Probaly a last minute bugfix.

The Oppo has a sharpness thing going on over the Bravo. The detail makes the Bravo look soft. The difference between the two would be a matter of taste.

Both the Oppo and the Bravo are about equal in terms of PQ it comes down to personal taste, however, that thread about how many Bravos failed/needed replacements somewhat worries me. The Oppo seems be well built; I've left it on for 2 days straight w/o problems.

My DVI setting is saving properly.

Ask Oppo about the DivxHD medium. I don't know if the Mediatek chipset can handle DivxHD. If its closely related to Divx, most likely they can add it, then again, I'm probaly wrong.

Originally posted by wensteph
Also, follow the instructions on the oppo site verbatum. It really should be working for you. The Wide/Squeeze setting works fine, but the DVI setting doesn't save for me either - it still defaults to 480p. EDIT: This only occurs when you set "TV type" to "Auto" instead of "NTSC" or "PAL".

I've done the upgrade 3 times, following the instructions verbatum, with BOTH versions of the firmware.

Gary

Originally posted by guitarman
The Oppo has a sharpness thing going on over the Bravo. The detail makes the Bravo look soft. That's true, but the sharpness comes at the expense of very nasty edge enhancement. The Avia sharpness pattern shows horrible white halos around all the lines and text. They should not be there at all.

The Faroudja chip has a sharpness setting that, if the firmware allowed it, could be selected by the user. I think OppoDigital meant to give us that option, but slipped up (after all, the menu label is already there). I'm sure we'll see it fixed in future upgrades.

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
That's true, but the sharpness comes at the expense of very nasty edge enhancement. The Avia sharpness pattern shows horrible white halos around all the lines and text. They should not be there at all.

Gary

Funny, I don't see halos at all on the Avia. Myst be a characteristic/flaw of your display. Perhaps some white bloom at the brightness levels you've set it to. This is a known issue with some DLP projectors with any DVD player with the Avia disk. Do you have a DLP projector? If so try reducing the brightness a bit.

It doesn't matter if you put divx on a DVD or CD, it works fine. I asked opposupport about high res divx and they did not respond.

Wanted to get some feedback on audio sync from everyone. I've had two units so far and both have exhibited the audio sync issues when playing content other than 5.1 Surround. I've noticed this a lot on children's DVDs, like Bear in the Big Blue House and the Wiggles (I know, I know, not the cream of home theater, but those of you with children will empathize), which have Dolby stereo soundtracks but no surround.

Also, I've found it's virtually impossible to fast-forward or rewind DIVX movies without losing sync, but that's something I've experienced on PCs too, so I can't really count that against the Oppo.

Originally posted by DrJRapp
Funny, I don't see halos at all on the Avia. Myst be a characteristic/flaw of your display. Perhaps some white bloom at the brightness levels you've set it to. This is a known issue with some DLP projectors with any DVD player with the Avia disk. Do you have a DLP projector? If so try reducing the brightness a bit.

It's not the display because all other dvd players will eliminate the edge. It's known the newer Faroudja chip comes with a detail enhancement (sharpness). Some players have a control on it though. Right now the sharpness enhance is set high. Haven't you noticed everybody seems to have bad skin, brown facile patches etc.

An adjustment for it would be great. Plus letterbox support, but I think it's hard to implement LS with the Faroudja chip.

Damian,

I didn't notice any audio sync issues with Peter Pan or Wiggles Hoop-Dee-Doo.

Does anybody have the problem with some time delay between tracks when playing mp3? If you play Pink Floyd "The Wall", the 2-3 seconds of silence sounds really disturbing. Not the same with CD-A.

I wonder if the new patch solves this issue.

nothru22: Do you know if Oppo plans to support MP4 audio?

Originally posted by wensteph
Damian,

I didn't notice any audio sync issues with Peter Pan or Wiggles Hoop-Dee-Doo.

Hoop-Dee-Doo - now there's one that'll get stuck in your head for a week. I spent a few sleepless nights in a hotel in Connecticut trying to get that out of my head...

Out of curiosity, are you coming out via the analog surround outs, the analog stereo outs, or digital out?

Stardust I had no reply to that question. I will ask again.

Originally posted by Stimby
I use this player quite a bit, and it works perfectly. Oppo has a nice window style browser. However, without turning on your TV, you can simply press the down arrow followed by play to move to another song. It handles non-english titles fine for me, though I play chinese songs. What language is the player having problems with?

By handling non-English titles I mean the file listing display on TV shows junk characters when the files are names in Japanese or Chinese. Playing them is OK. Maybe I am not burning the CD right. I burnt it as data CD directly in Windows XP Explorer.

Originally posted by Damian Allen
Wanted to get some feedback on audio sync from everyone. I've had two units so far and both have exhibited the audio sync issues when playing content other than 5.1 Surround. I've noticed this a lot on children's DVDs, like Bear in the Big Blue House and the Wiggles (I know, I know, not the cream of home theater, but those of you with children will empathize), which have Dolby stereo soundtracks but no surround.

Mine has audio-sync issue with all DVDs I've played. 5.1 surround or not. Not all of them as severe. Some very, others just noticeable. I am connecting the video via 480p HDMI to my Panasonic 42PD25U plasma and audio via coaxial to a Sharp receiver. Stop and play sometimes fixes it, but not always.

Originally posted by DrJRapp
Funny, I don't see halos at all on the Avia. Myst be a characteristic/flaw of your display. Perhaps some white bloom at the brightness levels you've set it to. This is a known issue with some DLP projectors with any DVD player with the Avia disk. Do you have a DLP projector? If so try reducing the brightness a bit. First of all, are you using the Oppo's DVI connection to your display? If so, the Faroudja chip currently adds sharpness, like it or not. You SHOULD be seeing the halos, unless your display response rolls off drastically at the higher frequencies.

I see the halos on a DVI LCD monitor and a DLP RPTV. They're a bit more subdued on the LCD because of its reduced contrast ratio.

My DLP does not BLOOM, no matter what the brightness level. What you may be refering to, is that some DLP TV's/projectors use the Faroudja chip to upconvert an analog signal. In that case, the Faroudja does its thing again, adding sharpness (and halos) in the display.

Gary

does anyone know the return policy at http://www.oppodigital.com/?

I would like to order one but am a bit iffy about the fact that i didn't see it on their site

andy

I bought my Oppo and previously a Momitsu from extremephono.com and have been pleased with their customer service. Check them out.

"Right now the sharpness enhance is set high. Haven't you noticed everybody seems to have bad skin, brown facile patches etc."

Agreed. Now that the squeeze control has been added to the latest firmware, the lack of a way to dial down the sharpness is my number one complaint with this player. It's hard on the eyes, making more than a few beautiful actresses look like hags.

There's also still some pulsing of the image going on (especially noticeable in backgrounds) that needs to be eliminated as well, though maybe this has something to do with PAL DVDs since I've mostly watched PAL so far (using DVI 576p). Will have to try outputting at 480p to see if this makes a difference.

Am I correct in assuming that if I have this DVD player connects to my HDTV RPTV using component inputs (my 4-years old TV does not have DVI :(), that the signal is 480i (interlaced) only? Or is there an option somewhere I missed to change it to 480p?

Thanks!

Originally posted by hdn
Am I correct in assuming that... the signal is 480i (interlaced) only? Or is there an option somewhere I missed to change it to 480p? 480p not available over component, and not possible to change with firmware.

Originally posted by CJayB
Now... the lack of a way to dial down the sharpness is my number one complaint with this player. It's hard on the eyes, making more than a few beautiful actresses look like hags. I agree, its awful. But have you noticed the Y/C delay? That's just as bad - you'll see 1 or 2 pixels of color bleeding around all the edges of images, particularly with high-contrast images, like silhouettes or lettering. The left edge is a different color to the right edge. UGLY! But thankfully, both of those problems can be fixed with firmware.

There's also still some pulsing of the image going on (especially noticeable in backgrounds) that needs to be eliminated as well, though maybe this has something to do with PAL DVDs since I've mostly watched PAL so far (using DVI 576p). Will have to try outputting at 480p to see if this makes a difference. The pulsing in the backgrounds is macroblocking - present on heavily compressed movies and enhanced by a bug in the Faroudja processor. All players with the Faroudja 2310 suffer with this affliction to some degree. Hope for a fix is slim, but we might see SOME improvement in future upgrades.

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
480p not available over component, and not possible to change with firmware.

Thanks for the info, GSB. Even with 480i, PQ is still very good, even on my 65" RPTV. But what I love most about this player is that it can play everything I threw at it: divx, xvid, vcd, svcd, mpeg2, etc. This feature alone will literally save me hours and hours of converting everything to vcd/svcd or having to author DVDs :D

Hi-

There's not much mention of AVI (DivX, XviD) playback here, but whereas the firmware upgrade fixed Aspect Ratio problems for DVD playback, I still have serious problems with AVI Aspect Ratios. I'm using the Oppo over DVI 720p to a Samsung HLN4365W widescreen TV. 2.35:1 XviD movies fill the screen, where there should be black bars on top and bottom, and everyone looks tall and thin. 1.33:1 movies also fill the screen, making everyone look fat. Only 1.85 movies are played with proper AR, as they're supposed to fill the screen. This is with the regular WIDE setting, or with the new WIDE SQZ.

There's a workaround for 1.33:1 AVI movies by playing over component cables (for some reason), but 2.35:1 AVI movies are even worse that way, as there are black bars to the left and right, but the screen is filled top to bottom, so people look even more skinny.

Anyone else have this problem, or am I doing something wrong? hdn, are you using a widescreen TV? Is a 65" RPTV by definition 16:9?

GSB I don't think he's talking about macroblocking, I think maybe he's talking about shimmering, I don't know. Shimmering is when diagonal lines can blend together or the outline of something can have jagged stairsteps. A good example of this is any cityscape.

Gary, no Y/C delay for me even with my iScan HD Y/C control set to 0. But could be the iScan is still doing something to correct this problem, or maybe the problem is just part of the new firmware since I haven't yet checked on the delay with the updated firmware.

I had no idea that the pulsing I was seeing was macroblocking. I haven't paid much attention to this problem before even though it's always talked about, because this is my first player with Faroudja de-interlacing. But I have seen the same problem with other inexpensive DVD players, even using interlaced output, so maybe it is something else. But whatever, it can be annoying. I need to hook up component to the iScan HD to see if I notice the same thing.

Right now the sharpness enhance is set high. Haven't you noticed everybody seems to have bad skin, brown facile patches etc.

Are we talking about an added artifact or showing what is really there?

Originally posted by manono
hdn, are you using a widescreen TV? Is a 65" RPTV by definition 16:9?
Yes, I have a 16:9 HDTV Toshiba 65". I'm using component inputs and Divx/Xvid's AVI do filled up the screen with no black bars on any sides. The aspect ratio seems fine to me though. My sources are 1.85:1 so I'm not sure if wider sources will cause any aspect problem.

Originally posted by wensteph
Are we talking about an added artifact or showing what is really there? Added artifact.

The Avia Sharpness pattern is a good test. Many DVD's are mastered with edge enhancement (excessive sharpening). But some, like Avia do not have it.

The Oppo adds EE in boat-loads, making white halos (outlines) around all the lines and text in that pattern. It makes a bad DVD look twice as bad.

Here's an excellent article on EE. Look for the Avia image... that's what the Sharpness pattern is SUPPOSED to look like:
http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

Thankfully, its relatively easy to fix this with firmware, so we do have hope.

Gary

Originally posted by CJayB
Gary, no Y/C delay for me even with my iScan HD Y/C control set to 0. But could be the iScan is still doing something to correct this problem, or maybe the problem is just part of the new firmware since I haven't yet checked on the delay with the updated firmware.

I had no idea that the pulsing I was seeing was macroblocking. I haven't paid much attention to this problem before even though it's always talked about, because this is my first player with Faroudja de-interlacing. But I have seen the same problem with other inexpensive DVD players, even using interlaced output, so maybe it is something else. But whatever, it can be annoying. I need to hook up component to the iScan HD to see if I notice the same thing. The Avia Y/C Delay pattern measures a pretty bad delay on Red and Green, so those two colors show up feintly on each side of a black line. But bear in mind that it is somewhat masked by the nasty edge enhancement on each side of that line.

Macroblocking (encoded on a DVD) is visible, to varying degrees, on nearly any decent player/display combo, but the Faroudja can make it shout. To make things worse, as nothru22 mentioned, you may be seeing the Oppo shimmering artifact as well.

Gary

Originally posted by manono
There's not much mention of AVI (DivX, XviD) playback here, but whereas the firmware upgrade fixed Aspect Ratio problems for DVD playback, I still have serious problems with AVI Aspect Ratios.

Anyone else have this problem, or am I doing something wrong? I don't think many of us are playing around with AVI very much. Keep us posted, though. Clear and accurate reports are welcomed for the fix list.

Gary

GSB,

Since no good deed goes unpunished, can you update your firmware fix list? In your last list you mentioned forwarding it to Oppo. Have you mentioned this edge enhancement contol to them? The sharpness control was listed as it related to saturation, but not specifically sharpness.

Thanks for linking to the EE article. That was very informative.

Originally posted by wensteph
can you update your firmware fix list? In your last list you mentioned forwarding it to Oppo. Have you mentioned this edge enhancement contol to them? The sharpness control was listed as it related to saturation, but not specifically sharpness. Yes, I was very specific in my correspondence with Oppo, and they replied VERY favorably. I trust they will try to fix it. Good idea to update the list.

Gary

Top of the list s/b,

Sharpness EE fixed or adjustable
Y/C delay
Hot color level
Letterbox support.

Letterbox support may be a tough one, none of the Faroudja based models had the support up until the Zenith.

I updated the defect list and moved it to the end of the thread today.

FIXED:
4:3 "pillarbox" mode to support widescreen TV's without that option.
DVI output defaulted to 480p after shutdown, instead of recalling the last user setting.
Loading tray did not close when pressing the power off button on the unit (worked fine from the remote).
Some displays experienced white sparkles over DVI for the first few minutes after power-up. This problem disappeared after the Oppo had warmed up, and had nothing to do with the cable. Some displays (like Samsung DLP) even experienced severe picture corruption, with vertical scrolling, squeezing, splitting, zigzagging, offsets, snow, or strange colors. This was a simple hardware fix. DVD-Audio support on the analog outputs.
DVI Y/C delay (caused chromatic aberration).
DVI pixel cropping - 2 on top and 5 on the right.
Brightness, Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness controls were mislabeled and working incorrectly.
A PAL DVD, output to a PAL TV in 720p or 1080i, refreshed at 60Hz, instead of 50Hz.
Backward chapter-skip button skipped to the PREVIOUS chapter rather than to the beginning of the chapter you were currently watching.
On-Screen-Display in Zoom and Angle modes remained on screen indefinitely.
1080i signal sync problem with certain displays.
Gary

Hey everyone, I still don't know if DVD-Audio is working properly. I don't have a DVD-A disc to test it. You'll have to help me out here, please!

Gary

Gary, Letterbox support is for Non-anamorphic widescreen DVDs (Armageddon etc). Without the correct aspect the movie will appear squashed. Some displays will handle this but many don't. With the Bravo you would use the zoom feature and it would expand the widesreen image correctly.

Got it. Thanks. I agree it should be high on the list.

Gary

Can I use DVD-Audio over optical to see if it's working? I am NOT running all those cables.

Not sure. Give it a try. I'd rather avoid running the cables too.

Gary

Gary,

Some of us have reported a lip-sync problem that can appear on certain dvds and sometimes intermittently on the same disc. It sometimes corrects itself by stopping and then restarting the disc again. My Oppo has this problem, but I haven't fully checked it out to see when and under what conditions it falls out of sync.

Bob

Originally posted by Gsthe1
Some of us have reported a lip-sync problem that can appear on certain dvds and sometimes intermittently on the same disc. It sometimes corrects itself by stopping and then restarting the disc again. My Oppo has this problem, but I haven't fully checked it out to see when and under what conditions it falls out of sync. I hear you. I have noticed it once or twice too. Intermittent problems are a pain in the ***, and this one seems particularly aggravating. I've included it on the list (#13) but we still haven't pinned down whether it occurs with all material or only certain material. So far, Damian Allen has reported that it occurs consistently with non-5.1 audio.

To Everyone,

If you notice a lip-sync problem, first make sure the problem is not a badly recorded soundtrack, then make a note of what kind of audio track was involved (DTS, Dolby 5.1 , 2.1, Stereo, etc) and ESPECIALLY if you find a disc where the problem is repeatable, note the DVD title and place.

Keeping such a log could help Oppo to verify the issue and determine when it is most likely to occur. Unfortunately, though, many TV's and players that use the Faroudja chip seem to suffer with this affliction. The huge amount of image processing can sometimes cause an obvious video delay to suddenly crop up (buffer issue?), and the video never recovers until you pause the DVD. Some manufacturers were able to reduce this issue, but ended up compromising video quality to do it, or deliberately adding a smaller, permanent video delay. So we have to be careful what we wish for, and help them to help us.

I'll compile the hit-list if you report your findings here.

Gary

Just wondering if anyone else would like to see a 768P setting in the next firmware? I understand there are other issues but I was curious to know how many out there have 1024 X 768 displays that would like to see a 1-1 ratio, meaning no black bars and not having to adjust the image on the set.

I like this player for everything except that and the other quirks. Most of the others I can live with.

Anybody else for this?
Alex

Originally posted by AlexDixon
Just wondering if anyone else would like to see a 768P setting in the next firmware? I understand there are other issues but I was curious to know how many out there have 1024 X 768 displays that would like to see a 1-1 ratio, meaning no black bars and not having to adjust the image on the set.

I like this player for everything except that and the other quirks. Most of the others I can live with.

Anybody else for this?
Alex

Alex I too am interested in this resolution, and I recently emailed Oppodigital about adding this to the player and this was their response.



We have reported to our R&D department who is investigating the possibility of supporting it the next firmware release.

May you share with us why you need such a setting? What's your usage environment? That will be extremely helpful for us to understand the rationale and touch the pulse of customer beloved customers like you.

Tech Support
Oppo Digital, Inc.
2269 Old Middlefield Way
Mountain View CA 94043
Tel: 650-961-1118

DVD audio and SACD is only allowed out the analog 5.1 outputs. It's a copy thing.

Originally posted by Oppo Digital Support
beloved customers like you
We're beloved customers ... How about that.:D :D

Kind of makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Seriously, it really seems to me that they take support of their products quite seriously. The initial firmware in about 5 weeks after release, and assurances that they are taking our requests seriously. I like the player and the service. Here's hoping that the commitment to service continues.

Originally posted by GSB
I hear you. I have noticed it once or twice too. Intermittent problems are a pain in the ***, and this one seems particularly aggravating. I've included it on the list (#13) but we still haven't pinned down whether it occurs with all material or only certain material. So far, Damian Allen has reported that it occurs consistently with non-5.1 audio.

To Everyone,

If you notice a lip-sync problem, first make sure the problem is not a badly recorded soundtrack, then make a note of what kind of audio track was involved (DTS, Dolby 5.1 , 2.1, Stereo, etc) and ESPECIALLY if you find a disc where the problem is repeatable, note the DVD title and place.

Keeping such a log could help Oppo to verify the issue and determine when it is most likely to occur. Unfortunately, though, many TV's and players that use the Faroudja chip seem to suffer with this affliction. The huge amount of image processing can sometimes cause an obvious video delay to suddenly crop up (buffer issue?), and the video never recovers until you pause the DVD. Some manufacturers were able to reduce this issue, but ended up compromising video quality to do it, or deliberately adding a smaller, permanent video delay. So we have to be careful what we wish for, and help them to help us.

I'll compile the hit-list if you report your findings here.

Gary

I used to get this a lot on my Denon DVD2900. Pausing and restarting the player usually fixed the problem.

Originally posted by guitarman
DVD audio and SACD is only allowed out the analog 5.1 outputs. It's a copy thing. guitarman,

Thanks for that clarification. So we HAVE to break out the yards and yards of cables, like it or not! What a pain! Have YOU tested DVD-A on the Oppo yet?

Gary

Originally posted by Rudy1
I used to get this a lot on my Denon DVD2900. Pausing and restarting the player usually fixed the problem. Nearly every Faroudja player has suffered with this to some degree. Denon too, then? Did they ever fix it?

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
guitarman,

Thanks for that clarification. So we HAVE to break out the yards and yards of cables, like it or not! What a pain! Have YOU tested DVD-A on the Oppo yet?

Gary

That's true. Anyone with SACD or DVD-Audio has been using analog cable. Now there are some recent changes:

1. Sony has approved Denon to send SACD via the Denon I-Link to a compatible receiver.
2. Panasonic sends DVD Audio via the HDMI connection as well as the six analog. A compatible reciever (Panasonic SA-XR70) is needed to decode the DVD-Audio via the HDMI.

With the Oppo, if DVD-Audio is desired, use the analog connections.

Paul

Does the Oppo output both digital and analog at the same time? I'd want to run most of my content through digital SPDIF and then "switch" to analog only when needed.

Cheers!

Originally posted by spaceboyusa
Does the Oppo output both digital and analog at the same time? I'd want to run most of my content through digital SPDIF and then "switch" to analog only when needed. Yes, except for DVD-A, it does digital and analog audio at the same time. Ditto for the video.

Gary

I've been using the Oppo DVI to my projector, but I just pulled the trigger on an Algolith Mosquito so I'll be going component from the Oppo to the Mosquito.

How does this thing do component?

Originally posted by wensteph
How does this thing do component? Fine, except for the following (from the defects list):
Uneven color output.
Will not pass "blacker-than-black".

Gary

Well............other than that.

I guess I should go read our own list. :o

My DLP doesn't understand the concept of blacker than black, so that one doesn't bother me.

Originally posted by wensteph
My DLP doesn't understand the concept of blacker than black, so that one doesn't bother me. Good thing. If you can adjust the saturation of individual colors on your set, you should be perfectly happy. The picture over component looks great on my DLP, aside from the typical noise in the D-A and A-D conversion.

Gary

"I've been using the Oppo DVI to my projector, but I just pulled the trigger on an Algolith Mosquito so I'll be going component from the Oppo to the Mosquito."


I'll be very curious to see your results using the Mosquito with this player. I'm thinking about getting the Mosquito myself (got my yearly bonus today, so these things naturally came to mind) and using it after my iScan HD, by going DVI from the Oppo into the iScan and then letting the iScan convert to component (which it does very well).

CJayB,

Algolith dropped the price on the Mosquito. When you're ready, call one of the guys here.

I also ordered the iScan HD+. Isn't the DVI input a pass through? My thought was to go all component (HD Tivo, which has better PQ on component anyway and the Oppo) and let the iScan do everything and then run it through the Mosquito.

wensteph,

Thanks for the heads-up on the Mosquito.

The iScan HD can covert 480p/576p (if it doesn't have HDCP) DVI to component. (Note also that the HD/+ will convert PAL 576i/p to NTSC.) I've done it with both the Oppo and a Momitsu V880, outputting 1080i to my Sony RPTV. I believe that the HD+ can convert 480p/576p as well as 720p and 1080i to component. I have yet to try component out of the Oppo to compare it to DVI, but with the Momitsu I preferred using its 480p DVI out to component (both sharper and cleaner). I've found that with the iScan HD, the better the signal you feed it, the better the output quality, thus I imagine DVI out of the Oppo will look better with the iScan than component.

Of course, if you use progressive scan from the Oppo, you are using Faroudja de-interlacing, where if you output 480i/576i component you are using the excellant SiI504 de-interlacing with the iScan HD/+. With some material (certain badly authored PAL DVDs such as the Spanish Orson Welles film Chimes at Midnight I was just watching) I think Faroudja has the edge. I also have a Pioneer RP91 with SDI that is my primary DVD player, but for certain things I will use the Oppo. Also the Oppo shows time remaining on a disc, something lacking with the Pioneer (and the Momitsu the Oppo has replaced), and for things like supplemental documentaries on discs I like to know how long they are when I start watching them.

Originally posted by Hi Deaf
Thanks westly, the Burnatonce did the trick. :)

Ditto! Thanks again! Burn at Once is the ticket for iso files. All the upgraded features are there on the Oppo and seem to be functioning (can't test the new 192 DAC yet, though).

It's great being able to watch Nero Wolfe and Sherlock Holmes 4:3 dvds again with the new Wide Squeeze feature. Kudos to Oppo Digital for producing the FW upgrade so quickly!

Bob

Originally posted by wensteph
I've been using the Oppo DVI to my projector, but I just pulled the trigger on an Algolith Mosquito so I'll be going component from the Oppo to the Mosquito.

How does this thing do component?

Well, tell me how it works..but I have heard that Oppo only does Interlaced on the Component outputs?? :(
...which probably makes this setup a bad idea :(

Here's a link to a Pixel Magic forum thread on doing an SDI mod on the BBK DV 985S which is the Oppo model sold in the Russian Federation per Stardust.

http://www.pixelmagicforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=325

FYI: The 971's new WIDE/SQZ setting is appropriately labeled. Non-anamorphic images are horizontally SQUEEZED, and you LOSE horizontal image resolution.

So if your TV allows it, let the TV add the pillarbox (side) bars, not the player.

The following pictures, from "The Digital Bits" (http://www.thedigitalbits.com) website, help explain why:
(Also check out their excellent guide to Anamorphic DVD).

The picture below demonstrates how video information is recorded on a 16:9 anamorphic DVD (with extra VERTICAL resolution):

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/185ondisc16x9.jpg

The picture below demonstrates how a widescreen TV with an analog connection STRETCHES the image horizontally to the correct 16:9 ratio:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/18516x9tv16x9.jpg

The following pictures show how video information is recorded on a 4:3 NON-anamorphic DVD:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/185ondisclbx.jpg http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/aspectratios/fewgoodmen0.jpg

The picture below demonstrates how a widescreen TV with an analog connection should display the 4:3 non-anamorphic video. The pillarbox bars (in gray here) are generated by the TV:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articles/anamorphic/18516x9tvlbx.jpg

If the analog TV does not generate the pillarbox bars, the player has to do it. That would require squeezing the image horizontally, and losing resolution.

Now many digital displays don't do any stretching. At 720p for example, they expect 1280x720 square pixels from the player. So the DVI/HDMI player is now responsible for stretching anamophic video, and for adding the pillarbox bars for non-anamorphic video.

A digital player doesn't necessarily have to lose horizontal resolution when displaying a pillar-boxed 4:3 image on a 16:9 display. The player could scale the full 720x480 DVD image (non-square pixels) to 960x720 (square pixels), and then add the black side-bars to output 1280x720 resolution.

Unfortunately, though, many players, including the Oppo in Wide/SQZ mode, use the MPEG decoder to squeeze the image for the analog output, before the scaler chip scales the image for the DVI/HDMI output. The scaler chip then has to scale an image that has lost some of its original resolution.

This problem can be easily confirmed by looking at the 200TVL resolution pattern on the Avia disk. Compare the vertical wedges (representing horizontal resolution) before and after squeezing.

Gary

Many displays do not allow for the resizing of 720p/1080i video. That is why the 4:3 "pillarbox" mode for an upconverting player is a very desirable feature. As with many video features there is some tradeoff and that's some loss of resolution. The best 4:3 pillarbox mode I've seen in a DVD player is the Momitsu V880 -- virtually no loss of resolution.

Paul

I've noticed something about the new firmware that those having issues with saving DVI may want to check: If you have set the Oppo to Auto rather than choosing NTSC or PAL as default, then it appears that the last DVI setting is not saved. If you, for example, set default as NTSC, the the DVI setting appears to be saved. I'd like to know if what I am seeing is correct for those having this issue.

On a separate problem: I'm using the Oppo via DVI output to DVI input to my Benq 8700+. What I've found is that setting DVI to 720p, which is the native resolution of the Benq, appears to shrink the image very noticeably. Anyone else have this? I know it seems to be the Oppo since I have a Momitsu 880 DX that does not have this issue, nor does my Sony HD200 receiver when either is connected via DVI-DVE.

sjschaff,

I'm DVI into a Runco 710 which is a cousin to yours and I don't see that issue. When it shrinks the image does it put a border around it?

Not sure what you mean by border. It's just black though the left side has a bit of edge enhancement, like a bright edge to it. And since my screen is 4:3 it's a bit hard to dertermine how much it shrinks in the vertical. I'd say on my 80" wide screen it loses about a half inch in width on both sides. And I think it's either shrinking the image or simply blocking off, it's really hard to tell. I've replace the unit with the same result. Does not happen in 1080 or 480 modes.

Originally posted by sjschaff
I've noticed something about the new firmware that those having issues with saving DVI may want to check: If you have set the Oppo to Auto rather than choosing NTSC or PAL as default, then it appears that the last DVI setting is not saved. If you, for example, set default as NTSC, the the DVI setting appears to be saved. I'd like to know if what I am seeing is correct for those having this issue.

On a separate problem: I'm using the Oppo via DVI output to DVI input to my Benq 8700+. What I've found is that setting DVI to 720p, which is the native resolution of the Benq, appears to shrink the image very noticeably. Anyone else have this? I know it seems to be the Oppo since I have a Momitsu 880 DX that does not have this issue, nor does my Sony HD200 receiver when either is connected via DVI-DVE.

Bring up the Avia pixel cropping chart. You lose 5pixels on the right and a couple on the top. The momo doesn't pixel crop.

Would be great if a firmware could fix that one.

You could avoid it by setting the 8700 to scaled 16.9 but you do lose the 1.1 pixel match of the native aspect.

Just noticed tonight watching The Manchurian Candidate that the audio sync problem happens only on DVI output. I accidentially switched to component and find the audio and video matched perfectly. Switched right back to DVI and the video was lagging for at leaset half a second.

It needs a switch to set audio delay.

Wow...that's a bummer. What audio out were you using...analog or one of the digitials?

Can anyone else confirm/deny the sync issues through DVI (only?) vs. component? My Oppo arrived Friday and it's still in the box so if this is confirmed as an issue...it'll be hitting the FedEx truck back to where it came from since I'd be running it exclusively through DVI.

I use DVI and run output via SPDIF to digital processor. I rarely see this problem though I was viewing "His Girl Friday" a few days ago. I'd been doing a scan to get to a particular section of the film, stopped it and started watching. Got lip sync problems, though not quite as severe. I backtracked to the beginning of the scene by using the step function, started playing, and the problem disappeared. My guess is that the unit is susceptible to this. Yours may be a more exterme example. Suggest you contact your retailer for "fix". Replacement may be warranted.

Audio is thru coaxial.

Got a reply from extremephono where I bought from. They suggested upgrading to the new firmware. That doesn't help. It's most obvious on sound effects of fast actions like slamming shut the car doors.

And the the new firmware ruined my calibration. :(

Hey, it was almost curtains for my oppo re (sharpness/color)?

I found the best way to rid the sharpness EE and it helps the plus color saturation during color decoder check also.

Reset the players contrast to fix the sharpness and counter with increased brightness. Then tune your display with Avia to the correct perameters.

For my setup I found setting the player to these gave good results.
contrast minus 5
brightness plus 6
sharpness at low

See what you get, your results may vary per display but I think this is on the right track.

After doing this I can bring up the Avia Sharpness pattern and not see EE or white outlines on the patterns vertical/horizontal lines. Plus going to the color decoder check it shows zero levels with no push.
good luck

guitarman, for the contrast control to tweak the sharpness, sounds seriously weird (but highly possible... especially seeing as the sharpness control already tweaks the color decoder). How bizarre! I'll only be able to check mine tomorrow. I'll let you know.

Gary

Originally posted by sjschaff
I've noticed something about the new firmware that those having issues with saving DVI may want to check: If you have set the Oppo to Auto rather than choosing NTSC or PAL as default, then it appears that the last DVI setting is not saved. If you, for example, set default as NTSC, the the DVI setting appears to be saved. I'd like to know if what I am seeing is correct for those having this issue. sjschaff,

Excellent catch, and thanks for sharing! I'm one of those afflicted with the "last DVI setting not saved" issue, even though I updated the firmware. And I have indeed set mine to Auto, rather than NTSC. I'll test it tomorrow and let you know.

Gary

Originally posted by stephenju
Just noticed tonight watching The Manchurian Candidate that the audio sync problem happens only on DVI output. I accidentially switched to component and find the audio and video matched perfectly. Switched right back to DVI and the video was lagging for at leaset half a second.That's true... its a Faroudja problem. The component connection does not use the Faroudja chip.

It needs a switch to set audio delay. I'm afraid that doen't help. This is a VARIABLE delay. The audio sync can be fine one minute, then it seems to suddenly trip up and video starts lagging behind. If you pause the DVD, then resume play, the sync will be fine again. Using "a switch to set audio delay" doesn't help an INTERMITTENT problem.

Gary

I recently purchase a DVI-D to DMi cable and tried to set the player to 1080 on my 60XS and for some reason the screen wouldn't show, there's no problem viewing a DVD at 480p or 720p, is there a solution?

I cant get 1080 to display correctly on my Sony either. I havent worried about it much because I am going to use 720p, but when I switch to 1080i via DVI, the picture is all stretched and it forces my projector into high output mode where the fan kicks on and goes nuts. I actually need to play with it some more.

Using both types of DVI cables DvI-i and DVI-D I'am able to use all resolutions on two Optoma displays. I didn't do the firmware yet.

GSB, Contrast vs Sharpness. Yes contrast does smooth out sharpness generally all across the board with displays, plus brightness de saturates color. That was my thinking when giving the Oppo another shot. It sure worked and I got an excellent image afterwards. No more spotty faces and more natural color. You may have to play a bit with the players control. You could start with having the Sharpness Avia pattern going while sliding the contrast lower.

I was surprised when I got the ghosts on the cross bars to disappear.

Just ordered a new Oppo DV971H this morning. They replied to my e-mail very quickly indicating that the new units do have the firmware burned-in.

I'm confident the picture quality will be very good. I wonder about the audio quality.

Originally posted by algaray
I'm confident the picture quality will be very good. I wonder about the audio quality. The Oppo has a good 192kHz DAC on the analog output, and the audio quality is excellent. However, the DIGITAL output comes straight off the disk, untouched by the player, so in that case, audio quality would depend entirely on your receiver.

Gary

It is the analog signal that I was concerned about. Glad that it is excellent. The digital output will go into my external DAC.

thanks,

Al

I ran a few more tests tonight. Thanks to those who have contributed their findings.

1. After the firmware upgrade, SOME people (myself included), found that the DVI output still defaulted to 480p after shutdown, instead of recalling the last user setting. Thanks to sjschaff, we have confirmed that this ONLY occurs if you set the TV type to "Auto" instead of "NTSC" or "PAL".

2. guitarman found that reducing contrast helped reduce the edge enhancement problem. I had hoped that the contrast control might inadvertently be tied to sharpness. But alas, it did not affect sharpness at all. As guitarman suggested, though, reducing contrast does have the effect of making the problem less glaring.

3. I have confirmed the typical Faroudja lip-sync issue. It is an intermittent VIDEO delay that can occur with ANY type of soundtrack (DTS, Dolby 5.1, or stereo). At an arbitrary point during DVD playback, the video will suddenly begin to lag the audio. The delay is very evident (and distracting) during dialog. If you pause the DVD, then resume play, the sync will be temporarily restored. The issue cannot be repeated by skipping to the point where it occurred previously. This issue only occurs on the DVI output, because the component connection does not use the Faroudja chip.

I'll update the Defect List.

Gary

I updated the defect list and moved it to the end of the thread today.

FIXED:
4:3 "pillarbox" mode to support widescreen TV's without that option.
DVI output defaulted to 480p after shutdown, instead of recalling the last user setting.
Loading tray did not close when pressing the power off button on the unit (worked fine from the remote).
Some displays experienced white sparkles over DVI for the first few minutes after power-up. This problem disappeared after the Oppo had warmed up, and had nothing to do with the cable. Some displays (like Samsung DLP) even experienced severe picture corruption, with vertical scrolling, squeezing, splitting, zigzagging, offsets, snow, or strange colors. This was a simple hardware fix. DVD-Audio support on the analog outputs.
DVI Y/C delay (caused chromatic aberration).
DVI pixel cropping - 2 on top and 5 on the right.
Brightness, Contrast, Saturation and Sharpness controls were mislabeled and working incorrectly.
A PAL DVD, output to a PAL TV in 720p or 1080i, refreshed at 60Hz, instead of 50Hz.
Backward chapter-skip button skipped to the PREVIOUS chapter rather than to the beginning of the chapter you were currently watching.
On-Screen-Display in Zoom and Angle modes remained on screen indefinitely.
1080i signal sync problem with certain displays.
Gary

I've been following the posts here as I'm looking for a D1 replacement for my HLN5065.

What is the consensus about the Oppo with the new firmware....is it a buy or not a buy because of the EE and audio synch issues etc?

-Carey

Originally posted by clumeng
What is the consensus about the Oppo with the new firmware....is it a buy or not a buy because of the EE and audio synch issues etc? It depends what your expectations are. A few others have indicated that the Oppo makes a very worthy replacement for a D1.

I was not prepared to pay $1000 or more for a player that gets it mostly right, but still has issues. As an electronics engineer, I picked the Oppo because it has all the right hardware, but costs a mere $200. Also, the firmware can be easily upgraded by the user, and OppoDigital has promised (and already demonstrated) that they will support their product with firmware upgrades.

Bear in mind that the Samsung HLN already has a Faroudja processor built in... lip-sync problems and all. So the picture quality with the Oppo is better only because it eliminates the noise and some inaccuracies (like banding) introduced by an analog connection.

I also have an HLN, and after calibrating the DVI input to the Oppo, I have been very happy with the results. I think it's a fantastic player for the money. To me, the only competition was the Panasonic S97, but I much prefer the hardware in the Oppo.

Gary

I like mine.

If Oppo continues with the firmware updates like Momitsu did with the 880, the Oppo will only get better and better. (I'm making the Oppo-Momitsu connection only because of the commonality of being sold by extremephono and I think there is something more to that relationship than just being a hands off retailer.)

You have to love the speed in which you can move around with this player. I noticed a new thing this morning. I'll get sparklies over my 30' DVI cable to overhead projector. I don't get sparklies with the Toshiba SD5709 and Bravo D1 with the same setup. This tells me the DVI output is somewhat less on the Oppo. It does work fine on my 6' DVI cable to a DLP/RPTV.

Plus I like the fact that the Oppo isn't HDCP. My Optoma/rptv had trouble with HDCP. Too bad about the sparklies becuase it was looking stellar on my new Optoma H79 Dark chip 3 projector. Stellar since lowering the players contrast made sharness acceptable. An increase in DVI voltage and better way to handle the sharpness would be great. Probably hard to increase DVI output voltage though. It probably would be a hardware upgrade.

The responsitivity of this player is one of the best things about it. It has its problems, but it seems the EE has been fixed a bit by tweaking contrast/brightness on the player.

From what I know, Y/C is a simple firmware fix.

Originally posted by guitarman
You have to love the speed in which you can move around with this player. I noticed a new thing this morning. I'll get sparklies over my 30' DVI cable to overhead projector. I don't get sparklies with the Toshiba SD5709 and Bravo D1 with the same setup. This tells me the DVI output is somewhat less on the Oppo. It does work fine on my 6' DVI cable to a DLP/RPTV.



Who's 30' cable are you using to your Overhead? I understand that cable quality really comes into play over 15 feet in any DVI player.

I got the cable from Si87 ($59) along time ago and it's worked great with the comcast box, Bravo D1 and now the Toshiba 5907. I got spraklies when I tried the Samsung 931 with this cable. So it seems some devices have different levels of voltage output. I could go with a boutique cable and maybe get good results (maybe) but it's not the keep your prices down way of doing things. :)

For now the Oppo is working great with the 6'cable over to the Optoma RD50. It's a shame though becuase what I could see on the Optoma H79 was awesome. The Oppo seems to have it's own way of increasing the depths of colors, plus the picture can be as sharp as you want it.

Just got my Oppo...

Haven't played with it but for maybe 20 minutes...

Couple issues noted off the bat:

1) About 3/4 the way down the screen of my plasma, I have 3-4 horizontal lines that occassionally flicker with high-motion video. This does not happen with low-active video. Also, I've only tried it on 720p, not 480p. Those lines just aren't displaying the correct colors. But, when displayed correctly (no flicker), the colors are perfect.

2) 1080i displays incorrectly on my display (Philips 32FD9954). The display is stretched/zoomed by maybe 3x-4x, and only the bottom left quarter of the picture is shown on my display. I've messed with Letterbox/WS/PanScan settings to no avail, on both, the dvd player setup, and tv setup.

Any suggestions?

I will say this...

Apart from those couple lines flickering, video quality is absolutely excellent. I don't have any sharpness issues (at least with the 2 dvd's I've played thus far). I can't comment on the audio because I have digital out to my receiver doing the job, which does it well. :p

I think #2 is what I'm seeing on my Sony LCD projector as well. Any thoughts guys?

pimppops I assume that it has the upgraded firmware out of the box?

-Carey

Both of my DLP TV's (different models) display all 3 Oppo DVI modes correctly (480p, 720p, 1080i). But the older of the two sometimes struggled to sync after powering up. Image symptoms were: flashing, zigzaging, squashing, scrolling, offsets, snow, strange colors.

It must be a compatibility issue. Do you have another 1080i source to verify whether the problem is with your display?

Another thing: it sometimes helped to reseat the DVI connectors. And be careful not to over-tighten the fasteners on the connectors.

Gary

Originally posted by clumeng
pimppops I assume that it has the upgraded firmware out of the box?

-Carey



I can only assume... as I'm at work right now.

As soon as I get home, I'll double check it.

Is it possible to check the firmware version on this unit?

I got mine already and it seems its already updated. Just waiting for new update. For some reason crouching tiger doesn't play well on my player. The screen looks all messed up on my 34 xbr 960

Well, I virtually got my player yesterday, and I updated firmware just to be sure its the latest version, and I obtained some new menu options... proving to me it wasn't the latest FW.

Received my Oppo today (from extremephono). It had the old firmware, so I upgraded it to the new firmware (I was a bit scared, as the instructions mentioned a second screen should come up when the 2nd CD was inserted. It didn't, but I tried to follow directions as closely as possible... and everything worked fine. Whew.)

Plugged into my Sony KDF55XS955 LCD RP via DVI-HDMI adapter (and HDMI cable.)

The TV's Video input 7 (HDMI) was ISF calibrated (by Carl Sundbom) earlier using the calibrator's own Momitsu 880. I also have an ISF calibrated Pioneer 578a going through component inputs (480p).

What I tried to do was (using THX optimizer, as I don't own Avia) to match the Oppo to the Pioneer as closely as possible using the Oppo's setup menu and my TV's user controls, knowing the Pioneer was ISF calibrated.

I noticed, as some on this board have, that the "sharpness" control actually controls the color saturation. If the "sharpness" control is set to "low" or "medium" the colors are oversaturated. Setting this to "high" seems to be the best setting. Tames the colors.

I set the "brightness" and "contrast" settings on the Oppo to 1 & -5. I think it did tame some of the edge enhancement that people have mentioned earlier. Then adjusted the TV's user menu to get it closer to the Pioneer on test patterns.

Using THX Optimizer's sharpness test, i noticed that the lines seem to "break up" in a couple places (more on the right, "finer" side of things.) On my Pioneer, after calibration, it's smooth all the way across. Well... I've ordered Avia, and might go into the Service Menu and tweak around further (although I am a bit nervous about that.)

Was able to get the Contrast and Brightness THX Optimizer tests fairly close to the Pioneer. On the Brightness test, I noticed what looked like edge enhancement or something in the big "THX" in the center (compared to the Pioneer, which was smooth). Not sure how to explain it.

One weird thing... the Oppo will NOT display a picture in 1080i for me. It does 480p and 720p fine, but won't show anything when set to 1080i. Weird. I wasn't planning on using it on 1080i, but it would have been nice to have that option. Could be the cable/adapter combination I am using (bought from Bettercables.com.)

Comparing my Pioneer (480p via component) to the Oppo (720p via DVI) with Attack of the Clones... the Oppo looks so much sharper. The Pioneer looks like it has a veil of haze over the picture in comparison. Color looks darn good (after setting the Oppo "sharpness" to high.) Everything looks and sounds great. (The sound is just going [via coaxial] to my Sony receiver.)

Well... I will investigate this 1080i issue further...

-Terry

I contacted Oppo about the firmware, they upgrade all of them purchased from Amazon.com, but extremephono still has an older batch which has not been upgraded.

1080i works fine for me, but many people experience problems.

Still, 720p is far better.

Terry,

I went through the same thing when I upgraded the firmware (see my notes a few pages back) and the heart does thump a bit when reality is so much different than what the instructions say.

I've also found that for color, the "sharpness" setting has to be set to high (low color) or else no matter how hard I try setting the color outside of the Oppo (using an iScan HD and my display settings) I can't get it to look right.

I'm still keeping both brightness and contrast set to the default "0" levels in the Oppo, and actually have the contrast setting set about 5 clicks higher than brightness using the settings in the iScan HD. The picture is too sharp with this setting, but lowering contast detracts from the picture in other ways; I'll just have to wait for Oppo to give us a true sharpness control before I'll be happy.

I'm finding that one of the things I like most about the Oppo is using it with non-anamorphic discs; here the sharpness setting being set so high is actually a big benefit.

Hi everyone - I'm about to pull the trigger on the Oppo, but I have a significant concern that perhaps you all can address. I noticed in the "glitch list" that DTS does not play as advertised. Unfortunately, this is my sound setup of choice, can anyone confirm that DTS does not play or have any negative issues regarding DTS? Many thanks in advance.

The player does not decode DTS.

Paul

DTS discs do play. The Oppo just doesn't have its own DTS decoder. But as long as you have a receiver that decodes DTS you shouldn't have a problem using your DTS discs with the Oppo. I haven't listened to a lot of DTS discs, but haven't had any problems so far.

Yes, if you have a digital link to a DTS receiver, NO PROBLEM!

Originally posted by TerryJ
I upgraded it to the new firmware (I was a bit scared, as the instructions mentioned a second screen should come up when the 2nd CD was inserted. It didn't, but I tried to follow directions as closely as possible... and everything worked fine. Whew.) This is quite likely to happen on the DVI output. Simply switch to the component or composite output. No problems on either of those.

Gary

Man, the sharpness/edge enhancement is, in fact, really high on this DVD player. I know those Oppo guys already know about it, but it would sure be nice to be able to dial it down. If the source is very clean (like Attack of the Clones, for example) it's not as noticable, but lesser transfers (or films with more grain) are a real problem.

I like the picture, except for that.

Also, indeed, the snippets of foreign dialogue that have subtitles in small sections (in an otherwise english film)... the subtitles do not show up. Definitely gotta fix that.

I know those have both been mentioned before, but just wanted to say that again!

-Terry

p.s. no problems with DTS feeding to my receiver.

p.p.s. despite the problems, this player is much better than the Samsung 841 that I tried earlier. That thing is a real dog.

Originally posted by TerryJ
Man, the sharpness/edge enhancement is, in fact, really high on this DVD player... If the source is very clean (like Attack of the Clones, for example) it's not as noticable, but lesser transfers (or films with more grain) are a real problem. The extra sharpness you saw, doesn't have anything to do with film grain. I hope you know that many DVD's are mastered with really bad edge enhancement? Did you see how bad some of them are in this article?

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

That kind of EE is not coming from the Oppo. Currently, the Oppo simply ADDS to the existing EE on a bad DVD. They'll fix that soon.

Gary

Thanks everyone for your helpful insight about my DTS question. My Denon receiver has a DTS decoder - so hopefully I should be good to go. Once recieved, I'll report back with any issues. Overall, seems the current owners of the Oppo are pretty satisfied thus far, yah?

Originally posted by GSB
The extra sharpness you saw, doesn't have anything to do with film grain. I hope you know that many DVD's are mastered with really bad edge enhancement? Did you see how bad some of them are in this article?

http://www.videophile.info/Guide_EE/Page_01.htm

That kind of EE is not coming from the Oppo. Currently, the Oppo simply ADDS to the existing EE on a bad DVD. They'll fix that soon.

Gary
So what you are saying, Gary, is that, for the most part, the Oppo is revealing a bad DVD master, not so much a problem with the player.

Anyway, after going though and watching snippets of various DVDs... I see "banding" in certain scenes. Like, bright lights w/smoke (Stillwater on stage in "Almost Famous" for example), the light has a "banding" instead of a smooth grade of bright to dim.

Are those poor DVD master/MPEG compression artifacts, or is it EE-type artifacts coming from the player?

-Terry

Originally posted by TerryJ






One weird thing... the Oppo will NOT display a picture in 1080i for me. It does 480p and 720p fine, but won't show anything when set to 1080i. Weird. I wasn't planning on using it on 1080i, but it would have been nice to have that option. Could be the cable/adapter combination I am using (bought from Bettercables.com.)



-Terry


terry I have the same issue with my 60XS? Oppo sent me the two new firmware disks yesterday (excellent customer service) and I did the upgrade exactly as the instructions listed, no problems. I'll see if I can view a DVD at 1080i tonight.

Originally posted by exlondoner
terry I have the same issue with my 60XS? Oppo sent me the two new firmware disks yesterday (excellent customer service) and I did the upgrade exactly as the instructions listed, no problems. I'll see if I can view a DVD at 1080i tonight.
Wait, is that an even newer firmware release? (Newer than the 1/29/05 release?)

Another thing I just noticed. Kill Bill Vol. 2 english subtitles DO show up when there are snippets of Japanese. (They did not when the Geonosians spoke in Attack of the Clones.)

-Terry

It's the DVD players job to make up for bad transfers. Especially DVD players over $100. That's why we have the Secrets of Hi Fi site.

Originally posted by nothru22
It's the DVD players job to make up for bad transfers. Especially DVD players over $100. That's why we have the Secrets of Hi Fi site. Wait a minute, that's not quite true. Secrets evaluates deinterlacing, chroma, and the like. A DVD player cannot make up for bad transfers that are grainy, banded, overly compressed, or overly sharpenend, without some negative impact to the rest of the picture. Everything is a compromise.

Gary

Originally posted by TerryJ
So what you are saying, Gary, is that, for the most part, the Oppo is revealing a bad DVD master, not so much a problem with the player. That is certainly possible. But the player AND the display can have an impact as well.

Anyway, after going though and watching snippets of various DVDs... I see "banding" in certain scenes. Like, bright lights w/smoke (Stillwater on stage in "Almost Famous" for example), the light has a "banding" instead of a smooth grade of bright to dim.

Are those poor DVD master/MPEG compression artifacts, or is it EE-type artifacts coming from the player? It could be either. Banding is ONE of the artifacts of heavy MPEG compression. The Oppo's sharpness problem may enhance any banding that's already on the disk, but your display may also be responsible for banding (especially DLP).

Visit the thread on "Reference Quality" DVD's. This lists a range of DVD's that seem to be well recorded, and probably push the envelope of DVD capabilities. Pick a few of those to watch and then make a judgement on the player, but bear in mind that even the BEST transfers cannot equal High Def material.

Gary

Originally posted by GSB
Wait a minute, that's not quite true. Secrets evaluates deinterlacing, chroma, and the like. A DVD player cannot make up for bad transfers that are grainy, banded, overly compressed, or overly sharpenend, without some negative impact to the rest of the picture. Everything is a compromise.

Gary

I have to agree with you, Gary. I used to own one of the high-end Denon players and the Director's Cut version of the movie "Blade Runner" (one of the worst transfers I've EVER seen!) looked as bad on it as it does on the Oppo. There's just so much that the hardware can do when the software is not fully up to spec.

---Rudy

Originally posted by GSB
That is certainly possible. But the player AND the display can have an impact as well.

It could be either. Banding is ONE of the artifacts of heavy MPEG compression. The Oppo's sharpness problem may enhance any banding that's already on the disk, but your display may also be responsible for banding (especially DLP).

Visit the thread on "Reference Quality" DVD's. This lists a range of DVD's that seem to be well recorded, and probably push the envelope of DVD capabilities. Pick a few of those to watch and then make a judgement on the player, but bear in mind that even the BEST transfers cannot equal High Def material.

Gary
I hear ya.

I'm guessing, however, that the player is making things a little worse (more than my set is.) Not that calbration is always "perfect", but I had my (LCD RP) set ISF calibrated recently, and no other source presents these kinds of problems. In fact, a Momitsu 880 at 720p didn't show these problems (although I didn't spent as much time with that deck.) I think if we can get rid of the EE on the Oppo, it would alleviate a lot of the problems that I am seeing.

I can only hope a new firmware release allows a reduction of "sharpness".

(Watching "Reference Quality" DVDs, and their transfers, do make a huge difference. I think the Oppo, as currently set, is, indeed, augmenting mastering flaws in less than "Reference Quality" DVDs. Because of the clarity, which is good, but also because of the EE, which isn't good.)

-Terry

Originally posted by TerryJ
Not that calbration is always "perfect", but I had my (LCD RP) set ISF calibrated recently, and no other source presents these kinds of problems. In fact, a Momitsu 880 at 720p didn't show these problems (although I didn't spent as much time with that deck.) I think if we can get rid of the EE on the Oppo, it would alleviate a lot of the problems that I am seeing. You may well be right about the EE fix alleviating some of the problems you're seeing. But as for the ISF calibration... your display is calibrated to a SPECIFIC piece of video equipment. So if you change your player, you're supposed to recalibrate. The differences from one player to the next, can be significant. And a full calibration can definitely help reduce banding and other issues.

Currently the Oppo's color decoder is heavily over-saturated. You will definitely need to fix that by setting the (mislabeled) sharpness control to "Medium" or "High" and tweaking your display to represent the colors correctly.

(Watching "Reference Quality" DVDs, and their transfers, do make a huge difference. I think the Oppo, as currently set, is, indeed, augmenting mastering flaws in less than "Reference Quality" DVDs. Because of the clarity, which is good, but also because of the EE, which isn't good.) I agree.

Gary

I'll presume EE is something that can be easily fixed via firmware.

Originally posted by Stimby
I contacted Oppo about the firmware, they upgrade all of them purchased from Amazon.com, but extremephono still has an older batch which has not been upgraded.


It takes some effort to update all our units with the new firmwares, there were some units that we shipped with earlier FW during the phase-in/phase out days, however, we've caught up and all units we are shipping with pre-installed new firmware. Extra work, but no extra charge.

Originally posted by Extremephono
It takes some effort to update all our units with the new firmwares, there were some units that we shipped with earlier FW during the phase-in/phase out days, however, we've caught up and all units we are shipping with pre-installed new firmware. Extra work, but no extra charge.

You realize that you are setting very high expectations for the future. Keep up the good work!

Dang, I am so glad I kept this player!

Originally posted by Stimby
I'll presume EE is something that can be easily fixed via firmware. Yes it can. The Faroudja chip has a sharpness control. All it requires is a firmware handle for the user.

I'm also extremely happy to have bought this player. I watched "Cellular" last night and the picture just blew me away! (Great movie too).

Gary

I just received my Oppo yesterday and am putting it through its paces. I agree that the thing is fast and very reliable so far.....my old Bravo D1 was never this consistent. Picture easily rivals or beats my old D1 run via DVI to my Sammy HLN5065. Am still working with settings. No significant macroblocking issues. EE was most apparent in Finding Nemo (as might be imagined).

One question I have for the group. In the setup menu I can access the first 4 submenus (General, Speaker, Audio, and Video) but can't access the 5th one which I think is supposed to be Preferences per the menu. Is this a glitch with my machine only? Not a major issue so far as I can change between PAL/NTSC/AUTO with the remote without problem. I seem too have the new firmware as my DVI settings are remembered with power down. I have an email out to Oppodigital to see if I should reinstall the firmware.

So far am very impressed...

-Carey

Somewhere deep in this thread is the answer to that one. If I remember correctly one needs to push stop twice or something like that.

Clumeng -

You might try opening the dvd drawer and then hitting setup. I think you'll find you can get to the preference page.

Good luck.

The Stop-stop trick worked....it was mentioned back on page 17 of this thread. thanks for the tip.

-C

I just bought this player directly from Oppo and have it hooked up to a Zenith 42" plasma EDTV. I calibrated it using Avia.

Best pic via DVI I found was at 1080i which the Zenith's own Faroudja DCDi knocking scaling it back down to the native 480p of the set.

After running the player through a few test discs here's what's been my experience:

Region free capabilities: If your TV handles a PAL signal I'd suggest switching the player to PAL output when watching a PAL disc. Noticed some EE during the PAL>NTSC conversion that's not there when it's set to PAL.

The SHARPNESS control: Yeah, it does effect saturation. It also seems to effect Sharpness. I know the color looks better the higher you set it, but on my set the rest of the pic looks bad when it's set to high or medium. During calibration I kept it at low and then adjusted the independant RED/GREEN/BLUE controls on my TV to compensate for the over saturation caused by the SHARPNESS setting. Looks way better, IMHO. It also seems to help with the EE.

This has been a great thread, hopefully Oppo will continue to address our issues with this player! Also, if anyone else has the Zenith EDTV and the Oppo player I'll be happy to share my settings.

hey, i'm having a problem with my oppo player. when i connect it to my sammy dlp through dvi and set it at 720 the screen starts scrolling like crazy, or it goes blank,or dots appear on screen. i have to cycle like 10x's from 480,720,1080 and evntually the 720 screen is ok. what's happening?oppo is sending me another unit right away(i wish every company had customer service this good). the picture is beautiful though.

It's been confirmed (?) that this player will not pass BTB on component. If I feed the interlaced ouput to an Iscan HD [and feed the DVI ouput of the Iscan to my set] will the Iscan processing alleviate the BTB problem? I mean, I'm very close to buying this but the BTB problem just bothers the heck out of me.

Any thoughts, please? [Oh, I need the PAL to NTSC conversion so that's the main reason I want this player.]

Originally posted by jimcooper
will the Iscan processing alleviate the BTB problem? I doubt it. This issue MAY be fixable with firmware. Not sure.

Gary

joe81,

Please post your findings once you receive your new player.

I have a HLP 5674W and I am having the same problems.

Thank you:)

Originally posted by joe81
hey, i'm having a problem with my oppo player. when i connect it to my sammy dlp through dvi and set it at 720 the screen starts scrolling like crazy, or it goes blank,or dots appear on screen. i have to cycle like 10x's from 480,720,1080 and evntually the 720 screen is ok. what's happening? I have tried 2 different Samsung DLP's and they have both demonstrated this problem. The older HLN model was MUCH worse, even causing the Oppo to WAIL while trying to sync.

I haven't worked out why, but when the Oppo is first turned on, it struggles to sync with the Samsung over DVI (component is fine). If I don't see the scrolling, zigzags, flashing, etc, then I see white sparkles (typical of a bad cable). But if I give it a minute or two to warm up, the sparkles slowly go away and do not come back (unless the Oppo has been powered down for some time). I don't think it has much to do with cycling the 480,720,1080 DVI mode - just warm-up time.

Joe81, try giving it a few minutes to warm up before cycling the DVI mode. Please report what happens. We might be able to help Oppo diagnose the problem. Also, please tell us if your new unit fixes this issue. Thanks.

Gary

Originally posted by GoSpurs99
I have a HLP 5674W and I am having the same problems. GoSpurs99, you too? I have the HLP4674W now. Have you noticed that the issue goes away after a few minutes of warm-up?

Gary

Has anyone else noticed this scrolling problem over DVI? If so, what is your display?

We now have 4 Samsung DLP RPTV's with this issue. Maybe its not the Oppo after all?

Gary

Yes, I have to cycle through the resolutions several times. Sometimes it locks up my tv.

I wondered if maybe we have to turn on the dvd player, insert the DVD, all before we switch it to the DVD input?

I'll keep messing with it.

If you and joe81 are having the same issues, my worst fears are coming through, the Sammy could be incompatible with the Oppo.

I'll try and report back tomorrow.

Dave

Interesting development. I realize now that the scaler/de-interlacer in my Sony LCD RP tv is actually great, and that my Pioneer 578a's scaler is terrible. Putting the Pioneer into 'interlace' mode (instead of progressive), and using the Sony's "cinemotion" (3-2) setting gives me a much better picture. A huge improvement.

Then, pitting the Pioneer (480i via component) head-to-head vs. the Oppo (720p via HDMI)... well... the Pioneer looked better. Of course, the Pioneer had the benefit of being the source deck for ISF certification, I did play around with some of the Sony's service menu settings (to get the Oppo to look better.) Didn't really help (although admittedly I don't have the equipment or know-how to do much of a change.)

The EE... shimmer... not sure what it is... is very distracting. Text, lines, backgrounds... they move annoyingly on the Oppo... and are rock solid on the Pioneer. Example on the Attack of the Clones is the shot of Obi-Wan in the Jedi Library. There are blue colored "texts" that are glowing blue vertical bands. On my Pioneer, they are nice and smooth... on the Oppo, the blue bands shimmer as the camera pans downward.

Even the "galaxy far far away" text at the beginning... seem like solid lettering on the Pioneer, but have a glow or fake drop shadow on the Oppo.

I still think the Oppo shows more detail than the Pioneer, overall (although not by much to my eye). And, I believe the Oppo passes 'blacker than black', which the Pioneer does not (which I think helps the Oppo give more dark detail). Beyond that, though, the flaws are annoying.

I hope a new firmware upgrade comes soon, so I can justify keeping this deck around longer.

We'll see.

-Terry

Scrolling Problem with Oppo:

Toshiba 57H83 scrolls on 1080i
My fiend's Panasonic Plasmas scrolls on 720p (don't know the model number)

I too have the scrolling problem with a 43" Samsung DLP (720p). I am about to hook the oppo up to my computer monitor (Dell 2005FPW which supports both 720p and 1080i) and see if it has the same issues with it.

So I just hooked it up to my Dell 2005FPW and it sync'd initially just fine. Though I note there was this white sparkling pattern in the middle of the screen for about 3 minutes until the unit warmed up but than it was okay. This doesn't seem normal, and is quite annoying. It happened when both at the startup screen and in a dvd. After about 3 minutes it eventually disappeared.

The problems I'm having with my Samsung after the unit warms up is also a bit different. I'm experiencing basically what looks like really horrible screen tearing after the unit has been on a bit when watching a movie. Basically when trying to watch several movies my wife and I would get into the movie, and it would start basically what looks like de-syncing (we'd get like a frame that would scroll for 2 or 3 frames, and than back to normal) and this continues until we have to stop the movie and use another dvd player (I'm thinking maybe I should have bought that HTPC).

This is with the latest firmware on Oppo's site. I've had this unit for just over a week, and have only been able to watch 1 full movie so far.

Zaphon

Have never seen scrolling on my 5d old Oppo on a Sammy HLN5065w. Running through 720p DVI using the cable I got with my old Bravo D1. Picture is also stable on 1080i. Could this be a cable issue? About 5 movies watched on the unit. Turn it off and on so no relation to hotness or coldness for me. Came preinstalled with new firmware.

Does the scrolling happen with component out or just DVI?

-Carey

Oppo DV971H + Toshiba 46HM84: stable picture and no scrolling at any resolution setting.

Additionall Information on Scrolling:

Tried three different DVI cables on Toshiba 57H83, including one by BetterCables. Scrolled on all three at 1080i. Definitely not a cable issue. Most likely is sending out a less than compliant video signal. Other video source have no problem with 1080i signal (cablebox, Momitsu). Would be nice if this could be fixed in a firmware update, but don't know.

Hi! I currently have a D1, which I am somewhat happy with when it plays - however, it's slow, not too reliable and I'd like a replacement.

HOWEVER - one thing it has is a native 852x480 output mode I can cycle to, which is ideal for my EDTV Samsung plasma. Can this player be set to output in this mode, or has anybody compared it's 720/480p against native 852x480 on a D1 ?

Thanks!

Would your TV be able to accept that resolution? Not every TV can accept it's native res.