So?

Tonight Amber seemed human , likable and attractive -- where was that all season?

It's going to take awhile for me to decide if this is the best episode of the series or if "Three Stories" keeps that honor...totally mind blowing

Three Stories...

This episode was almost unwatchable.

:(

Interesting, I thought it was the best House episode I've seen.

Interesting, I thought it was the best House episode I've seen.


It is right up there with "Three Stories" and the one with the young rape victim.

By far, far, far...the best episodes of House ever.

that was pretty brutal. It's going to be interesting to see how the House/Wilson relationship plays out next year. The comedy double act of old seems to be dead after this.

So?

Tonight Amber seemed human , likable and attractive -- where was that all season?Just because she was cut-throat while trying to get the job doesn't mean she was a mean person. At the end, all we were seeing was through House's mind under hypnosis anyways- we can't tell how accurate that is. She could have truly loved Wilson, but they never really had time to explore that angle much for us to know before they killed her off.

that was pretty brutal. It's going to be interesting to see how the House/Wilson relationship plays out next year. The comedy double act of old seems to be dead after this.

I don't know, obviously it can go two ways. 1) Wilson hates House for causing Amber's death or 2) realizes House is a good friend who risked his life to try and save the woman Wilson loves.

Odds are we will most likely get a bit of both.

It is right up there with "Three Stories" and the one with the young rape victim.

Those 2 definitely better than this one, and I'm not sure if this would even come in third...maybe...

That was an awesome episode! Great acting all around! Amber's character transforms from a power-hungry, manipulative B that you cannot help but to despise to one that utterly possesses your empathy in all of 2 episodes. Not only was the mood sad, but ruthlessly dwelling on painfully dark and pragmatic messages/overtones. They spared no punches with this one.

I don't know, obviously it can go two ways. 1) Wilson hates House for causing Amber's death or 2) realizes House is a good friend who risked his life to try and save the woman Wilson loves.

Isn't House technically acquitted, since it really wasn't the bus accident that killed her. That, she would have survived. It was the flu medication she was taking by her own will, which poisoned her blood.

No spoiler alert needed, it's aired everywhere now.

No matter how you slice it, Amber would not have been on the bus were it not for House.

Not only did he get himself drunk to the point he needed a ride, he also forgot his cane, such that Amber needed to board the bus to make sure she had it.

So in a very real way, were it not for House, unless Amber's kidneys had failed in some other way, she'd be alive.

Now given that, the question is how it's all going to play out.

Without a doubt, Wilson would feel much much worse if House had died as well, but now that he hasn't, he will indeed blame him for it.

Of equal interest to me is the fact that Cuddy remained curled up in the chair, asleep holding House's hand, long after she knew he was "OK."

IMHO, there's obviously much more to be seen in that (and her reaction when he woke up) than just an employer - employee relationship or even just a friendship.

Given the "You can't always get what you want" recurring theme, I'm surprised they didn't use the Stones song for what would, I believe, be the third time.

No spoiler alert needed, it's aired everywhere now.

No matter how you slice it, Amber would not have been on the bus were it not for House.

Not only did he get himself drunk to the point he needed a ride, he also forgot his cane, such that Amber needed to board the bus to make sure she had it.

So in a very real way, were it not for House, unless Amber's kidneys had failed in some other way, she'd be alive.

Now given that, the question is how it's all going to play out.

Without a doubt, Wilson would feel much much worse if House had died as well, but now that he hasn't, he will indeed blame him for it.

Of equal interest to me is the fact that Cuddy remained curled up in the chair, asleep holding House's hand, long after she knew he was "OK."

IMHO, there's obviously much more to be seen in that (and her reaction when he woke up) than just an employer - employee relationship or even just a friendship.

Given the "You can't always get what you want" recurring theme, I'm surprised they didn't use the Stones song for what would, I believe, be the third time.

... the thought occurred to me that if Ambers brain remained functional - despite the massive organ failures ... would not the hospital keep her on the machines?

I think that Wilson will blame House at first, but will come to realize that chance played as much a part as anything and that it truly was not in anyway an attempt to sabotage his relationship with Amber. I wonder if this will signal a short hiatus from the show by Wilson?

Of some interest, I found House to be far more "expediently" humane ... granted the situation was extreme, but I get the feeling that this episode was designed as a wakeup call for House in terms of his wild ways ... I would not be surprised if he consciously toned down things a bit in the realm of social interaction.

As for Cuddy, its been hinted at that there was something there before (college?) ... perhaps she still has some feelings for him that linger to the present ... which would help to explain why she goes to such lengths for him, when he goes off the edge.

As for Cuddy, its been hinted at that there was something there before (college?) ... perhaps she still has some feelings for him that linger to the present ... which would help to explain why she goes to such lengths for him, when he goes off the edge.

I honestly think the feelings are mutual if you look at the long litany of comments that have been made - more so than anything ever stated or implied between him and Cameron.

This episode was almost unwatchable.

:(

Agreed. Heavy, heavy drama. This show is taking itself way too seriously these days. Three Stories was in an era when it did not - dramatic, yes, but whimsical and deft - and funny. Not no more.

Everybody has different tastes. I prefer House when there is a lot of humor involved -- such as the old House-Wilson relationship, or House on clinic duty. This was just too much straight drama for me -- not at all why I watch. It was well done for it was, however.

I thought it was one of the best episodes this season even though it was lacking the usual House humor.

I wonder what 13 is going to do now that she knows she has Huntingtons? Will she leave and Cameron rejoin the team?

WOW. What an emotional episode. Almost hard to watch without tearing up. My wife cried for 30 minutes after the episode. Very emotionally draining. Incredible episode, yet very depressing episode.

Good episode.

Everybody has different tastes. I prefer House when there is a lot of humor involved -- such as the old House-Wilson relationship, or House on clinic duty. This was just too much straight drama for me -- not at all why I watch. It was well done for it was, however.
I thought the episode was a mixed bag. Waking Amber up after everybody knew she was doomed so that she and Wilson could say goodbye was an exercise in rampant sentimentality, so it will come as no surprise that it didn’t have much effect on me. The last scene on the ghost bus with House and Amber did move me, though. When House said that he thought he would just stay on the bus with Amber because Wilson would hate him now, and he couldn't take the pain any more, it was a gut check. Then, after House changed his mind and left the bus, fading the bus and the dead Amber to white was well done, too.

Can anyone explain what sequence and drug actually killed Amber?

For my tastes, the overuse of hallucinations was way too contrived in a show centered on science just as the other season-ender, when House was shot and hallucinating. I can do without the hocus-pocus.

Indeed an awesome but sad episode, I felt for Amber and Wilson, 13 is not far back with her disease.

So House thought that he was OK in the comma, that he had nothing and he was an alone self-bitter man, he wakes up and sees Cuddy at his side, could this mean he could pursue a serious relationship this time? It also seems Cuddy has some deep feelings for House and not because he's a good doctor and employee she was there.

Wilson can't certainly blame House for this, perhaps Amber coulda died of that poisoning anyway, her heart was too damaged and organs failed. Also the fact House risked his life to find out what Amber had says something.

So she wasn't impaled on the leg, that was just some imagination running, because I saw her two legs just find, bit bruised on the knees but not much else.

Amber looked so beautiful at the end on the white bus.

Very powerful episode. I thought it was quite moving. IMO, part of what makes House a great show is it's ability to excel with a variety of episode types. IMO it does drama quite well (although I wouldn't watch if it was strictly drama), and of course it does humor very well. Both pieces are in every episode to some degree, and most of the time they are able to make the show engaging regardless of the humor/drama balance. To me that is what make the show interesting and IMO excellent.

tragedy and comedy go hand in hand people. Either one can not exist without the other. The character House was born out of tragedy. His leg, his out look on life are in every regard a tragic take on life. But in every tragic tale there is comedy simmering always waiting to come out. next season House will be different but I doubt for long. He's tried to go legit before(actually care) and it's always burned him. great episode BTW.

I put the Top 5 at

1) Three Stories
2) This one
3) Euphoria (I think thats the name of it, the one where Foreman gets quarantined)
4) The episode with the little girl getting cancer and house buys a motorcycle
5) The young rape victim

Agreed. Heavy, heavy drama. This show is taking itself way too seriously these days. Three Stories was in an era when it did not - dramatic, yes, but whimsical and deft - and funny. Not no more.

You misunderstood. This episode brought back sad memories to when my Aunt was dieing with cancer in the hospital. The whole Amber/Wilson thing at the end almost had me in an emotionally distraught state. Kudos to both actors for making that scene feel so real.

That was a wonderful, but sad episode of House last night.:(

Can anyone explain what sequence and drug actually killed Amber?

Amber caught the flu. just before the bus was hit she took Amantadine an ingredient in flu medication(normally filtered out by the kidneys). The bus got hit by another bus(seemingly exactly where amber was sitting). Amber's kidneys failed allowing Amantadine into her blood stream(poisonous at this point). According to House(Amber knew it too) Amantadine bonds to proteins and is impossible to remove from the system. this lead to all of amber's major organs to fail.

For my tastes, the overuse of hallucinations was way too contrived in a show centered on science just as the other season-ender, when House was shot and hallucinating. I can do without the hocus-pocus.
I agree completely. Anytime a show has to resort to hallucinations/dream-sequences/comas to add character insight it is nothing more than lazy writing.

certainly the best episode of a very mediocre season.

so 13 might be gone soon, wilson is alone again while house+cuddy might get together.... could be an interesting next season. can they really keep both 'teams' around ? foreman getting back together to have dinner with chase and cameron was interesting.

WOW. What an emotional episode. Almost hard to watch without tearing up. My wife cried for 30 minutes after the episode. Very emotionally draining. Incredible episode, yet very depressing episode.I hope you told her it was all fake.

I hope you told her it was all fake.

deaths cenes were always marginally affecting to me until I actually watched my dad die. Now any movie with a parent dying(my mom is dead too) nearly brings me to tears(or at least depresses the hell out of me). It's all prospective buddy.

13 can still perform her job with Huntington's but some symptoms are the sudden jerkiness on hands, so she won't be able to do surgeries and anything precise, she could be a good diagnostician, and let the surgeons do the procedural work.(aka Chase can do them)

Interesting information on Amantadine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine)

Why would Amber take such a potentially dangerous drug to treat the flu? Why not just weather it out naturally or take some freaking Nyquil?

deaths cenes were always marginally affecting to me until I actually watched my dad die. Now any movie with a parent dying(my mom is dead too) nearly brings me to tears(or at least depresses the hell out of me). It's all prospective buddy.

I've never experienced a parent death (and I really fear over its inevitability), but you know what scene in a movie has me balling?...It's when Anakin finds his mother right when she dies in the sand people camp in Star Wars Ep 2. I know- it's cheesy freakin SW...not heavy caliber writing by any stretch. It's just that scene reminds me about my own mother (who is still alive, btw). Of all things to get into a tangle over, it's in a SW movie, eh?!

Interesting information on Amantadine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amantadine)

Why would Amber take such a potentially dangerous drug to treat the flu? Why not just weather it out naturally or take some freaking Nyquil?Because some doctors think they know better? (House...hint...hint...)Notice how it's also given as an antidepresent (SSRI) and when they searched Amber's apt they found Amber was hiding other antidepresents in her vitamin bottles?

I wonder who prescribed the Amantadine to her? Since legally she can't prescribe to herself maybe Wilson did. This may also weigh on his thoughts in the future.

Given the "You can't always get what you want" recurring theme, I'm surprised they didn't use the Stones song for what would, I believe, be the third time.

At least we got more of the Massive Attack song ... the unplugged version ... I still can't understand the lyrics though. :confused:

I wonder who prescribed the Amantadine to her? Since legally she can't prescribe to herself maybe Wilson did. I doubt he did. He would have mentioned it to House and the team.

I agree completely. Anytime a show has to resort to hallucinations/dream-sequences/comas to add character insight it is nothing more than lazy writing.

I don't know - all the good shows have done this recently, from Grey's Anatomy to CSI.

I hope you told her it was all fake.

Wow that seems so insensitive. We've experienced a lot of death in the family recently and it hit her that she didn't know what she would do if I was in that situation and on the hospital bed and then it hit her she didn't know how she could go on without me, etc. Very emotional for her.

I am really going to miss CTB. She was a great character, a fine antagonist for House, and the best part of this season, IMO. Why they chose to kill her off (when so many others in the cast wouldn't be missed) is beyond my comprehension. Dumb! dumb! dumb!

As much disdain I had for the character, I too, will miss her, now. What a weird attachment the writers have put on us, eh?

Maybe that is a unique property of being human?...that in life, we may despise someone for myriad reasons, but in death, empathy and sympathy seem to always be forthcoming. I recall a House episode that had this very theme- the one where the grumpy, mean patient was going to die, and he was grumpy and mean all the way to the end, but that lady doctor (13?) stayed at his side to the very end and was saddened when he finally did die.

Another parallel may be that our parents may annoy and irritate the piss out of us on certain levels, but in death, we will be unconditionally and counter-intuitively be distraught at the loss when they pass on. For some extreme cases (where there is a legitimate hatred or revulsion), that person may be caught off guard by this phenomenon. So it is always advised to make amends prior to a parent's death, no matter how ridiculous an idea it may seem (to circumvent the regret, if you don't). As a sidenote, there was an episode in Battlestar Galactica where Starbuck experiences this very revelation (another episode that gets me balling far more than I think it should).

...which brings up another point brought up in this episode- the importance of taking the opportunity of final goodbyes. Wilson did not want to revive Amber at the very end, when it was absolutely clear that nothing could save her. The reasoning was logically sound- to spare her any additional pain from awakening just to partake in this ordeal. ...but Cuddy convinced him otherwise that it is more important to have one last goodbye if the opportunity was there. After seeing the outcome, I would have to say Cuddy was correct (even though I would have sided with Wilson's initial approach). I could not imagine a more tender moment to share with a loved one who is about to die.

Why they chose to kill her off (when so many others in the cast wouldn't be missed) is beyond my comprehension. Dumb! dumb! dumb!

Because killing someone who wouldn't be missed wouldn't be as dramatic or powerful?

I doubt he did. He would have mentioned it to House and the team.

Everybody lies...either through admission or default. ;)

Because killing someone who wouldn't be missed wouldn't be as dramatic or powerful?

True. Kumar, 13, and Plastic could have all bit it and I doubt anyone would care. :confused:

(Personally, I would cheer from the rooftops.)

Amber's last 5 minutes stirred more emotions and thoughts in me than all the other newbie hacks ever will, regardless of how many countless episodes we'll be forced to suffer through with them.

Killing off the only good new character...A fitting end to a season filled with supremely poor judgement. :(

Maybe her leaving the series was not their decision, but hers.

Whatta B! (sorry, couldn't resist :D )

I am really going to miss CTB. She was a great character, a fine antagonist for House, and the best part of this season, IMO. Why they chose to kill her off (when so many others in the cast wouldn't be missed) is beyond my comprehension. Dumb! dumb! dumb!

I was saying the same thing after the show. They could have done soo much with that character. I agree, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

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I was saying the same thing after the show. They could have done soo much with that character. I agree, Dumb, Dumb, Dumb!

Agreed, they could have had several more episodes just off that character.

Maybe she is going to be in her own doctor show (on the other side of town from Princeton Memorial) called Amber? :)

13 can still perform her job with Huntington's but some symptoms are the sudden jerkiness on hands, so she won't be able to do surgeries and anything precise, she could be a good diagnostician, and let the surgeons do the procedural work.(aka Chase can do them)

That depends, given the place she works, there have been some advancements in the suppression/stopping of the disease in recent years. Things like gene silencing and stem cell implants. They don't "remove" the disease, but halt it's progress. Expensive, no doubt, but 13 being where she is she should have the best care available.

HC runs in my family so I've got a fair bit of knowledge about it. My brother's physician referred him to a doctor in Paris to be tested as if he got the testing done here there would be a pre-existing condition issue regarding medical insurance coverage. My father passed due to complications from HC, it's very much like Parkinson's which gets much more visibility(Michael J Fox).

I'm 53 and have not developed any of the symptoms, my 51 year old middle brother hasn't either, but at 46 my youngest brother is at the prime age where it begins to "show" and that's one of the reasons he getting tested. Neither myself or bro' No. 2 have ever been tested. It's one of those things where you so a lot of soul-searching(exhibited quite well by 13 in "House") as to whether you really want to know or not.

Also, contrary to popular belief, you can carry the gene and not develop the disease, my grandfather and father had it, but it's entirely possible that none of us 3 brothers will develop it. We can pass it on though.

Depressing stuff, but I thought it might be of interest given that it relates to one on the characters in the show. :)

Maybe her leaving the series was not their decision, but hers.

Yeah, that thought occurred to me too. Perhaps she has a movie or another series in the works?

Agreed, they could have had several more episodes just off that character.

I was looking forward to what appeared to be a budding romance between CTB and House. The ramification would have made for a great next season. Now we'll get what ... Cuddy redux? I love Cuddy (more so since the pole scene!) but I just don't see that working. Too much like Sam and Diane on Cheers ... they needed to be separate in order to maintain the tension.

Yeah, that thought occurred to me too. Perhaps she has a movie or another series in the works?

I can certainly see that, she has a screen presence that's not to be ignored.

As much disdain I had for the character, I too, will miss her, now. What a weird attachment the writers have put on us, eh?



She was a complex character, with good and bad qualities (the good only recently being seen). Very much like House, personality-wise. She could have been used by the writers as a mirror for House to look into ... seeing her actions and perhaps having some insight into himself. Not to mention what he could have learned about himself directly from her, as she seemed to understand him very well.

Disappointing turn of events.

Well, it could be another dream sequence, and next season she turns up right as rain! Not likely, but possible.

I love Cuddy (more so since the pole scene!)

And today is birthday #40.

man fred durst sure was looking old as the bartender....

man fred durst sure was looking old as the bartender....
No kidding, I almost didn't recognize him.

Those were 2 fantastic episodes.

An uneven season ended brilliantly.

BTW, write it down. CTB will win an Emmy for her work in the last couple of weeks.

And today is birthday #40.Actually, #42, according to IMDb.

Great episode. Definitely one of my favorites. I don't recall the one about the young rape victim or "Three Stories".

The only episode of House that stands out in my mind is the one about the little girl dying of cancer who's willing to undergo a tortuous procedure to extend her life a tiny bit not because she thinks it's worth it, but because she wants to give her mother more time to accept her death. House thought that her bravery was due to damage to a portion of her brain, which was disproved in the end. It was a great episode, but it also featured a unique rendition of Christina Aguilara's "Beautiful" by Elvis Costello that I liked a lot :).

EDIT: Looked up "Three Stories", the next to last episode of season 1. I saw and vaguely remember it, but it didn't make any especially big impression with me. Maybe I'll look for a download and watch it again.

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Actually, #42, according to IMDb.

Great episode. Definitely one of my favorites. I don't recall the one about the young rape victim or "Three Stories".

The only episode of House that stands out in my mind is the one about the little girl dying of cancer who's willing to undergo a tortuous procedure to extend her life a tiny bit not because she thinks it's worth it, but because she wants to give her mother more time to accept her death. House thought that her bravery was due to damage to a portion of her brain, which was disproved in the end. It was a great episode, but it also featured a unique rendition of Christina Aguilara's "Beautiful" by Elvis Costello that I liked a lot :).

EDIT: Looked up "Three Stories", the next to last episode of season 1. I saw and vaguely remember it, but it didn't make any especially big impression with me. Maybe I'll look for a download and watch it again.

just want to say that "beautiful" is a song by linda perry Christina just sang the first produced version of it.

/\ :eek: /\Perhaps you could elaborate a little? Astounded that I wasn't bowled over by your favorite episode? Deal with it :rolleyes:. In your episode's favor, it did win an Emmy for Outstanding Writing and a Humanitas Prize in the 60 minute category and was nominated for a Director's Guild Award. I did find a download (at Unbox.com) and will watch it again, one day :).

I figured out the name of my favorite episode. It was "Autopsy", season 2, episode 2 (Emmy nominated for Art Direction, won a Motion Picture Sound Editors Golden Reel Award and won a Writer's Guild of America Award for Best Writing In an Episodic Drama :)). According to IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/awards), several House, M.D. episodes have been nominated for various awards ("Meaning", "Three Stories", "Clueless", "Que Sera Sera", "Autopsy", "Distractions", "Skin Deep", "Euphoria", "House vs. God", "Damned If You Do", "Everybody Lies", "Human Error" and "Paternity"), but only four have won anything ("Three Stories", "Autopsy", another Golden Reel for "Human Error" and an Outstanding Prosthetic Makeup Emmy for "Que Sera Sera"). I never would have guessed that title--I think that they did a "live autopsy" by stopping the little girl's heart for a very short time and frantically scanning her body for something that couldn't be seen with blood flowing. I also found a download for that Elvis Costello rendition of "Beautiful" that I liked on a House, M.D. soundtrack album :), though I'll have to buy the whole album to get that track :(. (EDIT: further research has revealed a DRM-free MP3 at the Zune Marketplace that can be purchased ala carte for 79 cents and that the track can be downloaded from Napster and played while my membership is current :)).

just want to say that "beautiful" is a song by linda perry Christina just sang the first produced version of it.Ah--thanks for that correction. I think that I looked up the lyrics on one of those lyrics database sites and it attributed the writing to Aguilera. There a Wikipedia article on the song (here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beautiful_%28Christina_Aguilera_song%29)) that says that Aguilera actually had to beg Linda Perry to record it--Perry had wanted to save it for her own singing career, but was so taken by Aguilera's performance of it that she relented (Aguilera's recording of it won a Best Female Pop Vocal Performance Grammy). I'm not a big Aguilera fan, but I love that song :).

man fred durst sure was looking old as the bartender....

Holy crap! I saw his name in the credits but never realized that was him behind the bar.

I watched both parts back to back on the DVR last night, I enjoyed them.
Not 3 stories good, to me, but entertaining none the less.

Is there anybody posting here who thinks that House is other than the best drama/comedy on OTA TV today? I do not refer to just the last episode, but the entire body of work. Isn't this something that five years from now you would like to revisit in its entirety? I know that I would. There have been some obvious flubs (the fat black guy who "bought" the hospital, and the cop who was trying to nail House) but overall it has been beyond excellent. Not too shabby for an English actor playing an American doctor.

Is there anybody posting here who thinks that House is other than the best drama/comedy on OTA TV today? I do not refer to just the last episode, but the entire body of work. Isn't this something that five years from now you would like to revisit in its entirety? I know that I would. There have been some obvious flubs (the fat black guy who "bought" the hospital, and the cop who was trying to nail House) but overall it has been beyond excellent. Not too shabby for an English actor playing an American doctor.

+1

Finally got around to watching the last episode off the DVR.

Wow, heavy drama. Intense. And there was virtually no relief from that tension that we usually get with some sarcastic humor from House. So it was a somewhat unique episode from that standpoint, but very, very good nonetheless, especially compared to other episodes from this season. Two very strong episodes to finish off the year.

It will be interesting to see what direction the show goes next year.

Foreman was almost completely wasted this season.

Finally got around to watching the last episode off the DVR.

Wow, heavy drama. Intense. And there was virtually no relief from that tension that we usually get with some sarcastic humor from House. So it was a somewhat unique episode from that standpoint, but very, very good nonetheless, especially compared to other episodes from this season. Two very strong episodes to finish off the year.

It will be interesting to see what direction the show goes next year.

Foreman was almost completely wasted this season.

At least he got some speaking line. Cameron was often just a walk on, or totally absent. And Chase was mostly just a cut up.

Is there anybody posting here who thinks that House is other than the best drama/comedy on OTA TV today? I do not refer to just the last episode, but the entire body of work.

No. It's a very formulaic show. Viewed in it's entirety that becomes more obvious. From the opening patient red herring device to the 45 minute cue card that gets held up on stage saying "Here's where you hear something that sounds irrelevant but provides the vital clue necessary to curing the patient."

While it has some great dialog and performances, storywise it's only rarely that it does something different. Most of the characters are just backboards for House to bounce sarcasm off and don't have any real depth.

Is there anybody posting here who thinks that House is other than the best drama/comedy on OTA TV today? I do not refer to just the last episode, but the entire body of work. Isn't this something that five years from now you would like to revisit in its entirety? I know that I would. There have been some obvious flubs (the fat black guy who "bought" the hospital, and the cop who was trying to nail House) but overall it has been beyond excellent. Not too shabby for an English actor playing an American doctor.

For OTA yeah, its the best dramedy now - only because Friday Night Lights suffered a bit this season in quality.

The best drama on OTA was Jericho and the best drama on TV is Battlestar.

The best comedy is probably The Office

For OTA yeah, its the best dramedy now - only because Friday Night Lights suffered a bit this season in quality.


That depends on how you define House. I don't think it's a comedy any more than Lost or Friday Night Lights as you just mentioned. House is first and foremost a drama. In which the characters say some funny things (magnified a lot) just as in real life. It doesn't have pratfalls or jokes and the story doesn't have jolly incidental music when people do something amusing.

By that definition Lost is a better drama and also has amusing dialog, but with a better cast, more fleshed out characters and not as predictable. Same goes for FNL.

House is Hugh Laurie being sarcastic with Leonard providing sidekick support. Without those two the show would be nothing. Even Cuddy is expendable since her role is basically the cleavage joke source.

I'm rooting for Lisa Edelstein to win best supporting actress, anyone else with me?

If they don't even nominate her I'll be so dissapointed..

I'm rooting for Lisa Edelstein to win best supporting actress, anyone else with me?

If they don't even nominate her I'll be so dissapointed..

I'm with you now after the pole dance scene...

3 Stories will always remain my favorite House episode. I thought the end of this one was very well done though. How could House even begin to piece together his friendship with Wilson again?

House was my last show to catch up on this season.

Really enjoyed the season finale. I thought it was a good effort to get away from just being a very procedural show.

As for it being the best drama/comedy on OTA? Mmmm, that's not saying much these days. Not meant to demean House, but it is true. If you're the only horse in the race, it doesn't matter how good you are.

I actually have always hated the medical part of the show. For the most part I enjoy House for about the same reason I enjoy watching Dr. Cox on Scrubs...

That's why the finale was good. It got away from both the procedural medical stuff (OK, not that far away) and away from the comedy. It actually took a moment to consider its characters and their lives as more than just the object of a very cruel series of jokes.

The show is finally finding a narrative thread. Watching House abuse people was always good enough, but I'll take a stronger narrative if they want to give one.

At least he got some speaking line. Cameron was often just a walk on, or totally absent. And Chase was mostly just a cut up.

I agree completely, but I still consider Foreman more of a "waste" because he is a much better actor than the other two (and a more interesting character).

I agree completely, but I still consider Foreman more of a "waste" because he is a much better actor than the other two (and a more interesting character).

It will be interesting to see what they do with the opening credits when this returns. I'm still baffled as to why they have continued to give "star" billing to the original three when they have been used so little.

contract stipulation?

contract stipulation?

That's the most likely answer...but I then wonder about the contract negotiation skills of the agents for the 3 "newbies".

I still think this whole "new team" is like the "new Coke" debacle. They have no, or very little, chemistry with one another and I haven't been able to develop an emotional attachment to any of them. I'll grant that "#13" is cute, probably even more so than Cameron, but when her test came up positive, it was more of an "oh" rather than an "oh, no".

If anything, Amber was the most well developed character. At least I could muster a dislike for her until the last few episodes. And that's the one they kill off.

I personally strongly disagree with the idea that 13 is cuter than Cameron. I think 13 has quite a weird look myself.

I personally strongly disagree with the idea that 13 is cuter than Cameron. I think 13 has quite a weird look myself.

Well, I've been a Cameron fan from day one and I am so ambivalent about that whole new team that I can't even muster up the energy to defend my own comment. :D

I personally strongly disagree with the idea that 13 is cuter than Cameron. I think 13 has quite a weird look myself.

13 has a more exotic look, Cameron is your box stock good looker, IMO anyway...

I've been hot for 13 since I saw her on the Black Donnely's which is another show that I think should never have been canceled :(

I've been hot for 13 since I saw her on the Black Donnely's which is another show that I think should never have been canceled :(

Same here, I'm attracted to that "different" look in women.

It will be interesting to see what they do with the opening credits when this returns. I'm still baffled as to why they have continued to give "star" billing to the original three when they have been used so little.

Because 30 seconds of the old team is far better than 30 minutes of the new?

Or compared to the new team, the old team should be considered super-mega-uber stars?

Same here, I'm attracted to that "weird" look in women.

Fixed!

:p

Because 30 seconds of the old team is far better than 30 minutes of the new?

Or compared to the new team, the old team should be considered super-mega-uber stars?

Good one!

I've been hot for 13 since I saw her on the Black Donnely's which is another show that I think should never have been canceled :(

You should have watched the OC when she hooks up with Marissa! :D

Fixed!

:p

:D

Currently enjoying the reruns on Fox and USA HD. For anyone who thinks that 13 is hot, I suggest watching the movie Alpha Dog, if you haven't seen that one already. I think you'll like her appearance in this movie more than the OC episode... guaranteed. :eek::D;)

Tonight was the rerun of "Frozen." Interesting episode. House reveals that he could fall for a woman over TV, but realizes that another closer person is really in love with her, more in love than House could be.
I am a sucker for House. I love his sarcasm, and I love the ability of an Engllish actor to play an American so well -- last seen , I suppose, by Peter Sellers.
I am not an MD, but I accept all the brilliant medical pronouncements as appropriate for the show. But I do sometimes wonder how realistic they are.

My two best friends (a married couple that I've known for 27 years) are pediatricians--one of them is an MD/PhD researcher of unusual childhood metabolic diseases. Since they love the show, the medicine must be reasonably realistic.

Heads up. House returns tonight with the season premier. This is my favorite drama on now. The promos indicate that Wilson, still broken up over the death of Amber, resigns. Should be interesting.

I think this ad for season five of House exemplifies the spirit of the show perfectly.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3063/2863085626_32f36938ed_o.jpg

Funny, I remember last season they did something similar with the editing of images and the words "pricked with needles", something like that, it was hilarious. :D

What's up with the new time? 8:00 p.m.?

I've been pimping House to everyone I've met since the first episode. Sadly, after last year's turbulent spiral into the bowels of Hell, House has plummeted from my most anticipated show to the bottom of the heap. I'm far more excited for Chuck, Heroes, Grey's Anatomy, Life, Fringe, and Terminator: SCC this year.

Maybe this season they can further appease the virulent masses by replacing Wilson with some two-bit hack too bad to even land a part in Strange Wilderness and Cuddy with the appallingly pathetic Sarah Silverman. :(

Hugh Laurie is absolutely phenomenal, but I'm not sure he can save this show; either from itself or by himself.

I've been pimping House to everyone I've met since the first episode. Sadly, after last year's turbulent spiral into the bowels of Hell, House has plummeted from my most anticipated show to the bottom of the heap. I'm far more excited for Chuck, Heroes, Grey's Anatomy, Life, Fringe, and Terminator: SCC this year.

Maybe this season they can further appease the virulent masses by replacing Wilson with some two-bit hack too bad to even land a part in Strange Wilderness and Cuddy with the appallingly pathetic Sarah Silverman. :(

Hugh Laurie is absolutely phenomenal, but I'm not sure he can save this show; either from itself or by himself.

So much anger....*shudder*

Hey, don't forget- Jack Bauer will be wandering around in Darfur (yeah, I know it's actually a different locale) trying to save somebody's kid in 24... :p (Man, things just look zany these days)

Hey, don't forget- Jack Bauer will be wondering around in Darfur (yeah, I know it's actually a different locale) trying to save somebody's kid in 24... :p (Man, things just look zany these days)

My understanding is that they just scrubbed 6 episodes of 24 since they didn't like "the way the storyline was progressing". They will re-write 6 episodes.

Not a good sign.

Uh-oh! :eek: They need a time-travel bubble from skynet, asap! ...or maybe they could make Simon Cowell appear, as a villian to reel in Idol traffic?

"New-oh, Mr. Bauer! I want you to die, you bluh-e yank! You are absolutely dreadful."

I've been pimping House to everyone I've met since the first episode. Sadly, after last year's turbulent spiral into the bowels of Hell, House has plummeted from my most anticipated show to the bottom of the heap. I'm far more excited for Chuck, Heroes, Grey's Anatomy, Life, Fringe, and Terminator: SCC this year.

Maybe this season they can further appease the virulent masses by replacing Wilson with some two-bit hack too bad to even land a part in Strange Wilderness and Cuddy with the appallingly pathetic Sarah Silverman. :(

Hugh Laurie is absolutely phenomenal, but I'm not sure he can save this show; either from itself or by himself.

Hmmm, I loved last season but can only stand one of the shows you name.

(You think House spiraled into Hell last year but have no such qualms about the disastrous season of Heroes?!?!)

My DVR cut off at the end right after Wilson said:

"We aren't friends anymore

Did anything else happen after that?

My DVR cut off at the end right after Wilson said:

"We aren't friends anymore

Did anything else happen after that?

Not really, although the preview looked totally great for next week....

Loved the big f'n snipe for Fringe tonight. :rolleyes:

Felicia Day next week!

This week...ehh...didn't feel like typical House...I guess they had to resolve a few things from last season...still good TV though

"37?...impressive!" :D

Hmmm, I loved last season but can only stand one of the shows you name.

As long as the one show is Life, you will be forgiven.

(You think House spiraled into Hell last year but have no such qualms about the disastrous season of Heroes?!?!)

Last season of House was awesome. House is at its best when the show is a dark comedy.

I give the show credit for recognizing that one more medical procedural is just that much more noise. They embraced the strength of the show: House abusing people!!

Bah, the newbies are still there. Wish they would all catch a communicable disease and die.

My DVR cut off at the end right after Wilson said:

"We aren't friends anymore

Did anything else happen after that?

My DVR cut off there too. That stupid D* DVR. I'll be glad when the new TiVo box comes out so I have dual buffers again. I could of caught the end if it had that.

So here's what I think will happen this season.

Wilson will leave. Then House will go nuts and end up firing his team. The old team will reform and save House from himself and they will talk Wilson into coming back.

The last bit of that phrase recorded for me at the beginning of Fringe. Wilson said to the effect of '...and I'm not sure we ever were.'

The last bit of that phrase recorded for me at the beginning of Fringe. Wilson said to the effect of '...and I'm not sure we ever were.'

Yeah that's basically where it ended. House looked down at the floor speechless while Wilson left the room and walked away with his stuff.

Bah, the newbies are still there. Wish they would all catch a communicable disease and die.

The interesting thing is the old team is still listed in the opening credits, while the newbies are listed as (I think) "also starring" during the first act.

My DVR cut off there too. That stupid D* DVR. I'll be glad when the new TiVo box comes out so I have dual buffers again. I could of caught the end if it had that.

So here's what I think will happen this season.

Wilson will leave. Then House will go nuts and end up firing his team. The old team will reform and save House from himself and they will talk Wilson into coming back.

It doesn't have anything to do with D* DVR. I have Charter Cable, and it did the exact same thing, so that's at least three of us that this happened to.

Fox must be screwing up the timing.

Yeah, FOX just ran long because my DVR on Comcast in Boston missed that one last bit too, and I picked up on the end on the beginning of Fringe.

glad to have house back. once again i am caught up just figuring out house as a character. i have to wonder if his speech at the end of the episode about being sorry was just a bluff to make wilson stay. Or was it the first time he has been sincere? (maybe he was with the rape victim way back when?)

my DVR cut off at the end as well. luckily, Tuesday nights are a weak TV night and I can afford to add 5 minutes to house.

...I can afford to add 5 minutes to house.

That got me thinking that perhaps the overrun wasn't entirely coincidence. :eek: Get people adding a few minutes at the end, and hook 'em into Fringe, which, again, not so coincidentally ramps up immediately after some quick House credits. That first 2 minutes of Fringe had far more drama than the entire hour of "13's Sorry Attempt at Acting / Kumar has Yet Another Epiphany" that preceded it. :confused:

Okay episode, not great, not bad. One part of this show that has always been incredible and a highlight was the interaction between House and Wilson. Their friendship was a critical part of the show and their banter was priceless. Now they make it out that they might not ever even of been friends and they are going in a direction that they will not have that interaction (at least for a few episodes), not good.

I still think it is sad that they have to throw in the old actors just because they have to. Having Chase do the surgery is just sad, is he that desperate for a roll that he still takes these 2 bit parts? Oh well, I really liked how House's staff tried to solve the case without him but they realized they needed him.

Enjoyed this one tremendously. I swear, I couldn't have said some of the things uttered last night better myself, it's like the writers read my mind. But that's just me.

And does anyone think Wilson is leaving? :)

That got me thinking that perhaps the overrun wasn't entirely coincidence. :eek: Get people adding a few minutes at the end, and hook 'em into Fringe, which, again, not so coincidentally ramps up immediately after some quick House credits. That first 2 minutes of Fringe had far more drama than the entire hour of "13's Sorry Attempt at Acting / Kumar has Yet Another Epiphany" that preceded it. :confused:
I don't think it was a coincidence. FOX already knows how much time they have for commercials. They probably meant to have it run a minute longer than shorter.

Enjoyed this one tremendously. I swear, I couldn't have said some of the things uttered last night better myself, it's like the writers read my mind. But that's just me.

And does anyone think Wilson is leaving? :)

No, he is not actually going to be gone long....

Thank god for the D* CE Program, soft padding on the beginning and end of shows kept my wife an i from losing anything :)

It sounds like I lost more of the show that anyone here in AZ with a Cox HD DVR

Either House started late or ran long cause all our DVR's cut off the recording before the last 20 seconds of House last night.
If you were recording "Fringe" directly after House- the cut off part of House is the first section of the Fringe recording- just watch if from that recording.

I liked the "feminist roles" discussion/interaction between 13 and the patient of the week.

I thought it was funny when House was talking about "Amber, or maybe Burnt Sienna". Or something like that. I don't know how many caught that.

Much better episode tonight. Doesn't hurt that David Shore (creator of house) co wrote this episode.

Much better episode tonight. Doesn't hurt that David Shore (creator of house) co wrote this episode.

I agree, very good episode.

I hope they keep the private investigator around for a few episodes.

Kutner is awesome! Crank it up to 11 and spray dead dude poo & goo all over Foreman! Hahaha.:)

This week's episode (cancer/not-cancer) seemed to have an overall grayish cast to the colors. Recall similar comments about the earliest shows. Then again, since I've been tweaking my image settings, for a CRT RPTV, I may have simply mis-adjusted them. -- John

Excellent episode and actually, I like the play between House and the investigator more then House and Wilson. Extremely funny episode this time.

Better episode, but still not quite up to snuff. Kumar coming up with a magical epiphany; not once, not twice, but 10 times per week, is pretty much killing the show for me entirely as of late. :(

"Send Foreman, old people are afraid of black people"

CLASSIC

Great episode...I also enjoyed it

Poor House. Has to pay to have a friend who can stand him more than a few seconds. Well, whatever works.;)

Hmmm. I actually thought that this was perhaps in the top 5 episodes of all time. The writers of this episode should be very proud.

"send foreman, old people are afraid of black people"

classic

great episode...i also enjoyed it

+1

For those who asked, who haven't seen the coming attractions for next week's episode.:

More of the private investigator next week, so he'll stick around for a few more episodes.

Loved House's "inverview" with the other doctor as a possible new BFF!

The private investigator is played by Michael Weston, and it's hard to shake the lasting impression he made as Jake, the psycho, on Six Feet Under. If you haven't seen that one, go rent it.

He was also Private Dancer, a patient on a few episodes of Scrubs a few seasons back.

Better episode, but still not quite up to snuff. Kumar coming up with a magical epiphany; not once, not twice, but 10 times per week, is pretty much killing the show for me entirely as of late. :(

Yeah, me too. I actually couldn't wait for this episode to end. Bring back Wilson and the old team, that actually had *gasp* some chemistry together.:)

Better episode, but still not quite up to snuff. Kumar coming up with a magical epiphany; not once, not twice, but 10 times per week, is pretty much killing the show for me entirely as of late. :(

The fact Kumar is coming up with all the creative ideas is getting a bit tiring, I admit, but that is a relatively insignificant fact compared to the rest of the show. I enjoyed this one a lot....enough to keep me tuning in (and I wasn't sure that I would be doing so at the end of last year, although the final episode was great).

Thought this a very good episode. Love the PI and the interplay between him and House. The Wilson confrontation was weak -- sort of new-age psycho-babble (moving on, etc). It demonstrated that Wilson was not a good foil for House, unlike the guitar episode, in which Wilson was perfect.

He was also Private Dancer, a patient on a few episodes of Scrubs a few seasons back.

Right, I forgot about that one. Thanks for the refresh.

They need to add in some spiffy 3D screen titles to the show! :p

I rather liked this episode. The show does a very good job of occasionally leavening its often over the top silliness with something poignant. Last night it came when, after uncovering this week's patient's eyes following her brain surgery, House asked, "How do I look?" She replied, "You look sad." Good stuff!

I liked the "chop her head off" hallucination, also too much brain exposure on TV this week, Monday lots of brain on Heroes and Tuesday on House, couldn't catch bones but I'm sure there was some nasty stuff also.

National Brain Week. LOL. :D

I liked the "chop her head off" hallucination, also too much brain exposure on TV this week, Monday lots of brain on Heroes and Tuesday on House, couldn't catch bones but I'm sure there was some nasty stuff also.
On Fringe they drilled into Zak Orth's skull to "rewire" his brain.
Brain.... brain.... what is brain!???? :D

Michael Weston is also the villian in the movie Pathology that just came out on rental tuesday.

I was actually disappointed that they didn't show more of the brain "work"...on all the shows. :(

There's gotta be a point where the 2 shows have a cameo crossover episode (like when guests would be shared between Love Boat and Fantasy Island worlds).

I liked the "chop her head off" hallucination, also too much brain exposure on TV this week, Monday lots of brain on Heroes and Tuesday on House, couldn't catch bones but I'm sure there was some nasty stuff also.

They couldn't find the head on Bones.

He was also Private Dancer, a patient on a few episodes of Scrubs a few seasons back.Thank you! I *knew* I had seen him somewhere before, but I couldn't put my finger on it, and I'm too lazy to check out IMDB.

I finally got around to watching this episode. I thought it was great stuff.

No comments yet? Another great episode and very Taub-centric...

Anybody actually like the House/PI relationship? I think it might actually be better than the House/Wilson relationship...but thats just my opinion. The exchanges are excellent...its like they are sharing a brain

loved it. the PI has really grown on me. Did I miss something about Taub? I thought his wife knew about his secretary at his old job? or is this some other affair?

The preview for the next show (in 2 weeks) looks hilarious. Why is it that next weeks show is going to be a rerun?

The preview for the next show (in 2 weeks) looks hilarious. Why is it that next weeks show is going to be a rerun?

Baseball playoffs.

Baseball playoffs.

Nope, presidential debate.

I really enjoyed this episode. It was more of a classic House episode from the first season or two. I laughed more than I had in quite awhile.

Still enjoying the PI.....but he is no replacement for Wilson.

Nope, presidential debate.

I think Baseball, unless debate would be from Monday - Thursday, all scripted shows will skip next week, PB, TSCC, House, Fringe, Bones, etc

I thought his wife knew about his secretary at his old job? or is this some other affair?

I thought he left his old job for fear of the secret coming out...

Very interesting back and forth between House and the PI when talking about Taub and how to keep him motivated...I don't think we've ever seen anyone change House's mind like that before...

All I can say, is that while I enjoyed the PI - seeing Wilson in the coming attractions made me smile. Maybe, having both of them (and maybe Cuddy) playing with House's mind would really get things flowing. . . .

faceoff

Blah. This season is looking even less impressive than the debacle of last year. :(

I've been going back and sporadically watching a few of the older episodes across various seasons and the quality/entertainment value has certainly gone downhill. Hopefully, things will change soon. :confused:

The two minutes of Cuddy and the PI at the diner was superb, but the rest was drivel. :mad:

At least Kumar didn't save the day with an epiphany...ten times in one hour! :)

I've been going back and sporadically watching a few of the older episodes across various seasons and the quality/entertainment value has certainly gone downhill. Hopefully, things will change soon. :confused:

This I can understand. I have been catching House on USA HD. They have been playing the my favorite episodes featuring House's ex. Comparing those to this season makes this season seem awful. Its all relative to your perspective. I think that this season is far superior to last season (with the exception of the last 2 episodes of season 4) But compared to season 1 and 2 (and some of 3) this season is vastly inferior.

Blah. This season is looking even less impressive than the debacle of last year. :(

The two minutes of Cuddy and the PI at the diner was superb, but the rest was drivel. :mad:
I agree that the scene in the diner between Cuddy and the PI was terrific television. I liked most of the rest of it, though. Taub's marital problems are interesting. They are something I think the writers can do a lot with and I look forward to more.

This was the feel good episode of the year, one you enjoy but probably won't remember.

The first 20 minutes out here were letterboxed before they switched to HD. Not sure what the problem was.

KCPQ-DT Seattle via Comcast.

Great episode.

Could the PI be the House version of Mycroft? An intellectual equal.

For those who continue to moan and whine about how House isn't as good as it was in the first few seasons .... you're probably right but if the show kept his old team and continued to do exactly the same thing week after week you would probably be complaining about that even more. I love the fact that this show is willing to take chances by mixing things up. I just wish they would off Chase and Cameron from the show ... their two minute cameos each week are quite annoying.

Don't know how to do inviso-post so stop reading if you don't want a small spoiler for the episode.

At the end ... how did Taub figure it out? My thinking is that the price of the car was much less than what she had been hoarding. Or do you think it was just the wrong type of car?

At the end ... how did Taub figure it out? My thinking is that the price of the car was much less than what she had been hoarding. Or do you think it was just the wrong type of car?

Figure what out, exactly? :confused:

A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw.

Figure what out, exactly? :confused:

A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw.Well, not much more. According to Edmunds, the sticker price on the '09 Carrera convertible is $86,200.

I think Baseball, unless debate would be from Monday - Thursday, all scripted shows will skip next week, PB, TSCC, House, Fringe, Bones, etc

Nope, presidential debate.

Figure what out, exactly? :confused:

If someone is stashing money away in a "secret" account, 9 out of 10 times, it's usually done in preparation for a rather nasty separation.

Of course, the "we need to talk" could very well be the prelude to a confession.

It's unclear exactly what's going on ... as they say, tune in next week (or in two weeks perhaps.)

Well, not much more. According to Edmunds, the sticker price on the '09 Carrera convertible is $86,200.

Was it a Carrera? Might have been the Boxster which is considerably less, in the $45K-55K range.

Was it a Carrera? Might have been the Boxster which is considerably less, in the $45K-55K range.

It was definitely a 911 (997) Carrera Cabriolet.

She also either got upgraded wheels or it's a Carrera S Cabriolet which has a base price of around $97K, as it had the 19" Carrera S wheels.

She said she almost had enough, so I suspect she just put $85K down on the car.

The bigger question is what Porsche dealer allows you to exchange a 911 for a different color?!?!

Then again, who buys a "car of one's dreams" off the lot anyway?

Maan, with that kind of cash she coulda buy a $40K car and keep the rest handy, why a Porsche?

Then again, who buys a "car of one's dreams" off the lot anyway?

Who's dream car is a bottom of the line 911 convertible? YECK...

997GT3 FOR ME PLEASE!

If someone is stashing money away in a "secret" account, 9 out of 10 times, it's usually done in preparation for a rather nasty separation.

Of course, the "we need to talk" could very well be the prelude to a confession.

It's unclear exactly what's going on ... as they say, tune in next week (or in two weeks perhaps.)

Of course the whole "we need to talk" line was referring to a confession. House flat out told us that Dr. Plastic was going to end up apologizing and begging for forgiveness in the end. It stands to reason that if House knew she had an account that the P.I. also followed her to the dealership. :cool:

That's why I was so utterly bewildered when zalbaugh asked:

At the end ... how did Taub figure it out? My thinking is that the price of the car was much less than what she had been hoarding. Or do you think it was just the wrong type of car?

"How did Taub figure it out?" It's evident there wasn't anything to figure out. The only thing Dr. Bore should have trouble figuring out is how he, Kumar, and Lezbo #13 are even on the show. :confused:

Dr. Buffer puts these 3 hacks to shame! :D

Figure what out, exactly? :confused:

A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw.
The "starting MSRP" for a Porsche 911 is $73,500 but the lowest delivered price I could find was $79,400 and that was for a 2008 model. From there the price goes up, way up:

http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/searchresults/index.cfm/action/SelectTrim/make_vch/Porsche/model_vch/911/virsection/summary

Anyway, it appears that Mrs. Taub's 80 grand might actually have been enough, provided she was a careful shopper. :)

Of course the whole "we need to talk" line was referring to a confession. House flat out told us that Dr. Plastic was going to end up apologizing and begging for forgiveness in the end. It stands to reason that if House knew she had an account that the P.I. also followed her to the dealership. :cool:


So you belive he will be apologizing to his wife? If so then I stand corrected. I thought the look he gave her was more accusatory.

I thought that Taub's "We need to talk," comment to his wife at the end of the show was a bit ambiguous, too. I am inclined to agree with Spyder that Taub was going to confess his earlier sins but can't quite dismiss the notion that Taub may have something on his wife we do not yet know about.

So you belive he will be apologizing to his wife? If so then I stand corrected. I thought the look he gave her was more accusatory.

No, he realized that he needed to confess to her what he did. You can tell because he just had a conversation with the patient's girlfriend that was discussing this exact thing. If she was happier now then before when she didn't know. Plus of what House said would happen.

A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw.

As already pointed out, this is not accurate. Besides, she wasn't done saving anyway, was she? Didn't she say something like she was "so close"?

I sincerely doubt that Plastic-Man would bring up anything accusitory against his wife, considering;

A) he had an affair

B) the over-blown, over-acted speech he made about his "working" marriage

C) House's comments

D) the guilt factor of the car

E) the fact that his wife is much, much more attractive than I pictured...given the fact that Taub looks like a Lilliputian weasel and has the personality of a box of rocks. I doubt he thinks he could possibly do better, depite his income

F) the issue of already changing jobs/locales to remove himself from reason A) above.

Regardless, it's a pathetic sideline story that is of little interest, much like the character himself. :(

As to the car, I guess there is the very small chance that Taub was upset that his wifey bought him the cheapest 911 made, this thinking she cheaped out. (Yes, brand new 911 Carrerras [with options worthy of a doctor's salary] do cost MUCH more than the amount discussed.)

(Yes, brand new 911 Carrerras [with options worthy of a doctor's salary] do cost MUCH more than the amount discussed.)
Actually, the 4 seat Carrera coupe, which has an MSRP of "only" $79,400, comes with a list of standard equipment as long as your arm, including all-wheel drive and a turbocharged engine:

http://www.autobytel.com/content/research/vir/index.cfm/vehicle_number_int/1023994/Action/StadardEquipment

I can't imagine that anybody, a doctor or otherwise, would ever conclude that such a car had been bought on the cheap.

I agree that Taub’s wife is a remarkably attractive lady

KBB lists the Carrera at $84K as such:

Pricing Detail & Required Minimum Equipment

http://www.kbb.com/kbb/newcars/PricingReport/2008_Porsche_911_Convertible.aspx?r=267512391240046800#surve y

So, with added equipment, like the shown rims and Z-rated tires, it's entirely possible that Taub's car easily exceeded the stated price. Not that it matters much. Everyone has now flared up over my comment, which was, in turn, a response to someone else saying that the Posche in question only cost $40K, which is ridiculously far off. :confused:

I'm in the confession "We got to talk" camp, but I think the red flag trigger was deliberately set off in a lot of people because the "We got to talk" line is already a highly loaded "code" that forebodes an ill outcome in societal vernacular. I've heard that there is a saying that when you buy your mate a car, it automatically raises the stakes to the point where it makes the other person question how serious they are in the relationship (has this gone way too fast for my liking?). If you accept the car, then you are signing-on to the strength of the relationship. If the reality is anything short of that, you are forced to consider rejecting such a gift to avoid giving the impression that the relationship is that strong...and that shortly prompts a "we got to talk" discussion (which usually results in a separation to circumvent any further supposed missteps). It's like calling the other guy's hand, despite how well meaning the intent of the gift is (surely, I would be greatly pleased that someone decided to buy me a car, but only if it is by someone I'm REALLY into).

So I dunno where this turn is really leading, and I suspect that is the quandary that writers intended for the viewers.

I don't think it is so implausible for wifey to choose an $80k-ish Porsche as a gift for someone who is a pronounced fan for such a car. If I were to offer a sexist viewpoint, she wouldn't be shopping for a Porsche in the same way that a Porsche fan would shop for one. She is not going to be so involved into the technical details of a turbocharged engine, upgraded rims, or sport suspension. She will be shopping for the nameplate and a reasonable feature set for the price. So this will turn out to be an extreme example of the "thought that counts" rather than actually being able to target the specific Porsche configuration that a Porsche fan would be aware of for a self-purchase.

:eek: /\ WHA? /\ :eek:

That was insightful, eloquent, and lucid!

Who are you, and what have you done with Mr. Hanky? :confused:

I've been pimping House to everyone I've met since the first episode. Sadly, after last year's turbulent spiral into the bowels of Hell, House has plummeted from my most anticipated show to the bottom of the heap. I'm far more excited for Chuck, Heroes, Grey's Anatomy, Life, Fringe, and Terminator: SCC this year.

Maybe this season they can further appease the virulent masses by replacing Wilson with some two-bit hack too bad to even land a part in Strange Wilderness and Cuddy with the appallingly pathetic Sarah Silverman. :(

Hugh Laurie is absolutely phenomenal, but I'm not sure he can save this show; either from itself or by himself.


WHAT????????

are you implying that they're going to replace Cuddy's actress to Sarah the hack no talent annoying as hell Silverman?

THAT'S IT!!! NO MORE HOUSE FOR ME.......GOODBYE!! IDIOTS.

Sarah Silverman should be banned to ever appear on tv again.

...but her vag can sing! :p

:eek: /\ WHA? /\ :eek:

That was insightful, eloquent, and lucid!

Who are you, and what have you done with Mr. Hanky? :confused:

I don't get it- are you making fun of me? :confused: If my remarks were stating the already obvious, I apologize. :)

No comments yet? Another great episode and very Taub-centric...

Anybody actually like the House/PI relationship? I think it might actually be better than the House/Wilson relationship...but thats just my opinion. The exchanges are excellent...its like they are sharing a brain

Last week I quite liked the detective. This week I hated him. I think he's being overused and in too many scenes this early in the character life. His patter was amusing at first but now it seems like he's wandered in with leftover dialog from the Gilmore Girls.

Just made me miss Wilson more and hate this episode. The case was fairly formulaic and not very interesting.

I wish they would do something with the original team. I've seen props get more efficient screen time. It hardly makes it worth putting them on camera. The show needs to make it's mind up who we are watching for besides Hugh Laurie. Either get rid of one team completely or turn in to ER and have multiple plot lines running with all the regulars and semi-regulars.

KBB lists the Carrera at $84K as such:

Pricing Detail & Required Minimum Equipment

http://www.kbb.com/kbb/newcars/PricingReport/2008_Porsche_911_Convertible.aspx?r=267512391240046800#surve y

So, with added equipment, like the shown rims and Z-rated tires, it's entirely possible that Taub's car easily exceeded the stated price. Not that it matters much. Everyone has now flared up over my comment, which was, in turn, a response to someone else saying that the Posche in question only cost $40K, which is ridiculously far off. :confused:
The car in your link is a cabriolet (convertible), the coupe is the price shown in my links, which does indeed have an MSRP of less than $80,000.

I posted only to point out that your original comment, “A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw”, was wrong. The exact comment to which you responded was posted by zalbaugh who said, “At the end ... how did Taub figure it out? My thinking is that the price of the car was much less than what she had been hoarding. Or do you think it was just the wrong type of car?”

The only comment about the Porsche and $40K was posted by DrLar, who said, “Maan, with that kind of cash she coulda buy a $40K car and keep the rest handy, why a Porsche?”

The point of all this is to suggest that when you find yourself in a hole it’s never a bad idea to stop digging. :)

WHAT????????

are you implying that they're going to replace Cuddy's actress to Sarah the hack no talent annoying as hell Silverman?

THAT'S IT!!! NO MORE HOUSE FOR ME.......GOODBYE!! IDIOTS.

Sarah Silverman should be banned to ever appear on tv again.

I wasn't implying that they are going to replace Cuddy with the spawn of Satan. I was saying that those that somehow think the new team of third-rate hacks is superior to the old team would likely prefer her to Lisa Edelstein.

I couldn't agree more about Silverman. She is to comedy what Paris Hilton is to chastity. :(


I don't get it- are you making fun of me? If my remarks were stating the already obvious, I apologize.

I wasn't making fun. I was complementing you on your smooth-spoken post. What struck me (and furthered illustrated my comment) was that you followed that facund speech on the subliminal aspects of gift-giving with the line, "but her vag can sing." That's the Mr Hanky we all know. Having a bit of fun, but not necessarily at your expense. :)


The car in your link is a cabriolet (convertible), the coupe is the price shown in my links, which does indeed have an MSRP of less than $80,000.

I posted only to point out that your original comment, “A new 911 costs much more than the $80K she had stashed, btw”, was wrong. The exact comment to which you responded was posted by zalbaugh who said, “At the end ... how did Taub figure it out? My thinking is that the price of the car was much less than what she had been hoarding. Or do you think it was just the wrong type of car?”

The only comment about the Porsche and $40K was posted by DrLar, who said, “Maan, with that kind of cash she coulda buy a $40K car and keep the rest handy, why a Porsche?”

The point of all this is to suggest that when you find yourself in a hole it’s never a bad idea to stop digging.

I actually recalled that the Porche shown was a convertible. Regardless of my original intent, it appears that I was sorely mistaken. Never in the history of the world have we seen so many care so greatly about something so insignificant.

That said, I certainly hope that the members here at AVS can accept my profound apologies for this, the most grievous of errors against mankind that one could ever commit. Should it be necessary, I am prepared to pay for a 10-page retraction in each and every newspaper across the globe as penance for my crimes that have apparently laid waste to the very foundations of society. Should this fall short of acceptable contrition, I could always change my name to Amina Lawal Kurami, should it please the virulent masses. I am certain that you all will let me know, one way or the other.

Never in the history of the world have we seen so many care so greatly about something so insignificant.Welcome to Web forums...

Uh, like what does "facund" mean and stuff? :p

That said, I certainly hope that the members here at AVS can accept my profound apologies for this, the most grievous of errors against mankind that one could ever commit. Should it be necessary, I am prepared to pay for a 10-page retraction in each and every newspaper across the globe as penance for my crimes that have apparently laid waste to the very foundations of society. Should this fall short of acceptable contrition, I could always change my name to Amina Lawal Kurami, should it please the virulent masses. I am certain that you all will let me know, one way or the other.
I agree that we do have a tendency to deal in trivialities around here. As we used to say in several Usenet newsgroups I posted to, "What the hell, this is Usenet." Well, what the hell, this is AVS. :)

I am not sure that you really owed an apology but it was gracefully done, nonetheless. Although we haven't changed world history, this has kind of been fun.

I agree that we do have a tendency to deal in trivialities around here. As we used to say in several Usenet newsgroups I posted to, "What the hell, this is Usenet." Well, what the hell, this is AVS. :)


Sweating over small details has to be expected when it relates to something technical, expensive and shiny. After all that's why we arrived here to begin with. :D

It does say something about an episode when one minor insignificant detail plot wise, gets more attention than the actual story.

Sweating over small details has to be expected when it relates to something technical, expensive and shiny. After all that's why we arrived here to begin with. :D

It does say something about an episode when one minor insignificant detail plot wise, gets more attention than the actual story.
Yep, it is for good reason that a lot of folks call AVS posters compulsive nerds. I long ago stopped denying it in my case. After all, why needlessly squander credibility. :)

Some spoilers from EW.com about Foreman and 13:

Executive producer Katie Jacobs tells me that a major, potentially romantic story line involving Foreman and Thirteen will kick off in November when Olivia Wilde's ailing alter ego agrees to participate in a clinical trial overseen by Omar Epps' Foreman. As a result, the pair "are going to be spending a serious amount of time together," reveals Jacobs. Thirteen's leap of faith will follow a tumultuous few episodes in which she has a random hookup with an unidentified lovergirl (see last week's AA for more on that) and witnesses firsthand the horrors of Huntington's via a patient played by Lori Petty (A League of Their Own). "I don't want to see Thirteen come down with Huntington's," confesses Jacobs, "but I think it's important for the audience to see what she's up against in dealing with [the disease]."

...It does say something about an episode when one minor insignificant detail plot wise, gets more attention than the actual story.

True. I recall back in the day when we would go on for pages and pages about the; rich characters, witty dialog, quirky patients, and outlandish diseases found on the show. Now, it's difficult to drum up much beyond the peripheral aside regarding Kumar's latest hairdo. :(

Hey, I never heard of a "human hairball" until this weeks episode! :p That was pretty gross, btw.

I wasn't implying that they are going to replace Cuddy with the spawn of Satan. I was saying that those that somehow think the new team of third-rate hacks is superior to the old team would likely prefer her to Lisa Edelstein.

I couldn't agree more about Silverman. She is to comedy what Paris Hilton is to chastity. :(

pheww!!!!! you scared me there for a second.....I was like WTF!

Silverman truly is the spawn of Satan.

Proposed:

A new AVS House Thread drinking game.

Whenever Spyder whines about House's new team you have to take a shot.

Proposed:

A new AVS House Thread drinking game.

Whenever Spyder whines about House's new team you have to take a shot.

Sounds good, but here's my proposition:

Whenever someone says they prefer the new team I take a shot...at giving them a lobotomy.

Proposed:

A new AVS House Thread drinking game.

Whenever Spyder whines about House's new team you have to take a shot.
Absolutely not! That would be alcohol abuse. :)

Disagree with one of the previous posts about the private investigator; he's the Wilson substitute and a new non-doctor character, which means we need to see him a lot to become familiar with him. It could also be a way to illustrate how much House leaned on Wilson.

By the way, what's up with the delays in showing new episodes? We have to wait two weeks for the next episode? WHY?

By the way, what's up with the delays in showing new episodes? We have to wait two weeks for the next episode? WHY?

As already stated several times...because of presidential debates and/or baseball playoffs.

Disagree with one of the previous posts about the private investigator; he's the Wilson substitute and a new non-doctor character, which means we need to see him a lot to become familiar with him.

Not when it's at the expense at the already vastly underused "regulars."

The show doesn't really need any new characters. If they can't write something substantial for the amount of people they have, then there's something wrong in the script department.

The problem with integrating the old characters is they shot themselves in the foot with a logic bomb. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Cameron or the blond boy would ever work for House again. It would be a step back in their career paths, I'd think. So they are stuck on the periphery...kind of pointless to keep them around. Even so, they were better than the current House slaves.

The problem with integrating the old characters is they shot themselves in the foot with a logic bomb. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Cameron or the blond boy would ever work for House again. It would be a step back in their career paths, I'd think. So they are stuck on the periphery...kind of pointless to keep them around. Even so, they were better than the current House slaves.

Would you say that House has "jumped the shark"?

Erik

Would you say that House has "jumped the shark"?

ErikIt's still very watchable and discussable just for spyder's complaints. Laurie is fascinating, hopefully they won't wear him out ;).

I don't know why everyone has such a big hate out for the new characters. 13 and Cameron are both skinny eye candy, Chase and Kumar are both just annoying useless characters, Forman is still there (albeit he seems to have lost half his knowledge base in the past year), and Taub is the most interesting of the bunch. A big step up if you ask me. They should just get rid of the old cast though.

The problem with integrating the old characters is they shot themselves in the foot with a logic bomb. There is no reasonable explanation as to why Cameron or the blond boy would ever work for House again. It would be a step back in their career paths, I'd think. So they are stuck on the periphery...kind of pointless to keep them around. Even so, they were better than the current House slaves.

Why do they need to work for House to be given a decent story? Cuddy doesn't work for House and has been there since episode one and she is still barely two dimensional.

It's still very watchable and discussable just for spyder's complaints...

Awww. :o

Thanks? ;)

Cuddy doesn't work for House and has been there since episode one and she is still barely two dimensional.

After seeing Cuddy in her stripper outfit, I beg to differ! That body is a 3-D feast!* :D

*Unlike the barely there 2-D "skinny eye candy" of Cameron and 13.

Why do they need to work for House to be given a decent story? Cuddy doesn't work for House and has been there since episode one and she is still barely two dimensional.That's just it, she is 2 dimensional. The first team had been fleshed out into 3d characters, then flushed. Now they are in single digits, interwoven into plots with unfinished team members that will take another couple of seasons to develop.

If the showrunners thought the first team was going stale, then they took a big risk in dropping them into the bullpen and starting over. Momentum has been carried by House exclusively...at the expense of meaningful character interaction and development. I can see they are trying to right the ship, but I just don't like the new guys as much. I would have kept the janitor, fake doctor and CTB over what they chose.

After seeing Cuddy in her stripper outfit, I beg to differ! That body is a 3-D feast!* :D

*Unlike the barely there 2-D "skinny eye candy" of Cameron and 13.

Okay, physically she is definitely 3-D. ;)

But I still think it was a stunt butt.

Now that was a great episode. Plenty of great House and Wilson scenes, character moments and a disease that successfully avoided the usual predictability.

House needs to get out more.

Now that was a great episode. Plenty of great House and Wilson scenes, character moments and a disease that successfully avoided the usual predictability.

House needs to get out more.

Yes, it was. House has great writing and acting. It amazes me how good this show is when the basic of the show is very formulatic .

It certainly was good to have Wilson back in the picture. Most of the rest of the cast is pretty much irrevalent. The scenes with Wilson have always been the high point for me.

Great reveals on how the two of them met and House's relationship with his father.

Show ran over DVR time again..seems I have not learned my lesson with this show. Can someone tell me how the final scene with House and Wilson ended? Thanks

Show ran over DVR time again..seems I have not learned my lesson with this show. Can someone tell me how the final scene with House and Wilson ended? Thanks

Yep I almost missed it as well but luckily I was recording Fringe.

Vaguely ...

Wilson says something about how "you can't choose your parents, (and with a small smile) or sometimes your friends. Cuddy hasn't filled my position yet."

"If you're coming back because you're attracted to the shine of my neediness ... I'd be okay with that."

Wilson looks down and smiles. "I'm coming back because you're right. That strange annoying trip we just took, was the most fun I've had since Amber died."

To which House replies "You hungry?"

As they are leaving House stops, stands in the middle of the office and staring blankly ahead says "Wilson?

"Yeah?"

"My dad's dead."

"Yeah. My sympathies." responds Wilson.

Wilson and House walk down the corridor.

Well he also said he's taken his old job back, so YAY Wilson is back!

Where'd the PI go?

BTW, looks like we got some girl on girl action next week...I'm sure House will be giddy!

I was glad to see the old team back in action if only for a few minutes. Looks like we are loosing a newbie next week, but not the right one.

Show ran over DVR time again..seems I have not learned my lesson with this show. Can someone tell me how the final scene with House and Wilson ended? Thanks

Same here, and it's getting a bit annoying, FOX needs to get their sh!t together and send proper EPG info to Tribune. Luckily I also recorded Fringe so I didn't miss anything, but I have been missing the endings of Bones due to this problem.

Great episode BTW, House is best when it's House and Wilson together. I think the reason we don't see Wilson as much as we'd all like is that Robert Sean Leonard is primarily a stage actor in NYC and I'm guessing his commitments to that prevent spending a lot of time in LA to film House.

Glad to have Wilson back. The rest of this episode was hit and miss. Some really great moments, some really boring. Overall a good episode.

Excellent episode.

Funny. Although entertaining, I would expect an episode that goes in detail on House/Wilson's friendship and House's relationship with his father was going to be deeper.

Good, but disappointing.

Yikes, I fell asleep on it last night. From what I saw, it looked pretty entertaining. Time to finish it up.

Show ran over DVR time again..seems I have not learned my lesson with this show. Can someone tell me how the final scene with House and Wilson ended? Thanks


Found it at the beginning of the Freinge recording.

I like House episodes such as this week's because they give us an opportunity to see House's humanity. It doesn't happen often. Ordinarily House compensates for his deep unhappiness by using his humor as a weapon and playing hide the ball with his true feelings. He clearly had feelings for his "father," COL House, but mostly managed to avoid expressing them. Still, at the funeral and, later with Wilson, his regard for his father became clear. House is a fascinating case study in neurosis, an addict with a mean streak a mile wide but a brilliant mind, which he, somehow, manages to use effectively, usually for the greater good. No wonder this show has lasted.

When House dropped the flashlight down the sewer I lost it...hahaha

and

House: You "lost track of your speed"? I think that was Hitler's excuse. Lost track of the Jews. No one held him responsible

SO many great lines in that episode...

I like House episodes such as this week's because they give us an opportunity to see House's humanity. It doesn't happen often. Ordinarily House compensates for his deep unhappiness by using his humor as a weapon and playing hide the ball with his true feelings. He clearly had feelings for his "father," COL House, but mostly managed to avoid expressing them. Still, at the funeral and, later with Wilson, his regard for his father became clear. House is a fascinating case study in neurosis, an addict with a mean streak a mile wide but a brilliant mind, which he, somehow, manages to use effectively, usually for the greater good. No wonder this show has lasted.

I agree.

I'm surprised that this episode didn't generate more interest/conversation in this thread.

Funny. Although entertaining, I would expect an episode that goes in detail on House/Wilson's friendship and House's relationship with his father was going to be deeper.

Good, but disappointing.

I agree. I thought it was quite a shallow look at what is the most important relationship on this show(House and Wilson). I also didn't buy that after not talking to House for that long, having House badger and mock Wilson (and lose his keys, etc) for 1 day would be enough for Wilson to completely cave and come back to the hospital and to House. It seemed that it should have happened more gradually, with a deeper peek into both characters psyche ..

This may have been the most disappointing episode ever.* :mad:

*The writers completely missed the boat here. When House got into the car and took off with Wilson, they had the perfect chance to kill off all 3 new characters with SARS in one fell swoop, thus returning the show to its former glory. Alas, we're STILL left with;

Dr. Plastic, whose single "interesting" quality is that he once cheated on his wife,

13, who is nothing more than an annoying, lifeless Cameron clone,

and Kumar, the man with an epiphany every 30 seconds.

Sad. Just plain sad. :(

Looks from this episode, the old team will be back together plus Kumar by the end of the year. Taub is gonna concentrate on his marriage, 13 either really gets fired, or spins out, and Chase & Cameron had more airtime this week than any this year. I think it's gonna finally get back to good old House.

I agree. I thought it was quite a shallow look at what is the most important relationship on this show(House and Wilson). I also didn't buy that after not talking to House for that long, having House badger and mock Wilson (and lose his keys, etc) for 1 day would be enough for Wilson to completely cave and come back to the hospital and to House. It seemed that it should have happened more gradually, with a deeper peek into both characters psyche ..

I thought I had missed an episode where Wilson got back into the series but from what you're saying we went from Wilson not wanting to have anything to do with House to driving him to his dad's funeral without anything inbetween. That's weird and I agree that House's behavior after trying to get Wilson to return didn't make any sense either. What happened to continuity?

I thought I had missed an episode where Wilson got back into the series but from what you're saying we went from Wilson not wanting to have anything to do with House to driving him to his dad's funeral without anything inbetween. That's weird and I agree that House's behavior after trying to get Wilson to return didn't make any sense either. What happened to continuity?

It was pretty clear that Cuddy persuaded Wilson to transport House to the funeral. Her attempts to talk him into going were not working and getting Wilson involved served the second purpose of forcing them back together. Her desire to reunite them was set up in previous episodes. I didn't see any break in continuity or unexplained behavior.

It was pretty clear that Cuddy persuaded Wilson to transport House to the funeral.Really? Though Cuddy helped in his abduction, when House wakes up in the car:House: "Cuddy drugged me. She..."
[pauses, looks askance at Wilson]
"My mom didn't call Cuddy--she called you."
[pauses again, looking at Wilson]
"I knew you couldn't stay away. I knew you loved me too much..."

Wilson, interrupting: "I'm doing this for your mom."

When they get to the funeral home House's mother, after greeting and hugging House, looks at Wilson and warmly says, "Thank you, James."The entire trip seems to have been Wilson's idea.

Interesting that no one has posted yet after having seen this episode. I'm starting to like 13...:D

At the end when Wilson was with Cuddy at the baby store, at first I was thinking they were involved.

Now that they point it out, Forman is boring. About the only real different things about him was his blonde girlfriend and his near death experience from past seasons.

"If you're happy, I'm.."

The House universe is so much more kewl than real life! :D Where else do we get to delve into some hot lesbian luv antics, say absolutely sexually and racially inappropriate things in the workplace just for the tear of it all, and not have to fear any consequences?

I'll be amazed if this episode doesn't generate some viewer complaints.

I knew Wilson was playing with House from the beginning but it's good to have that aspect back after all this time.