You guys do understand that House's pain is too much a part of the show for there ever to be a permanent solution found.

You guys do understand that House's pain is too much a part of the show for there ever to be a permanent solution found.


Well, amputation would remove the pain.

Possibly. Or knowing House, it'd come back twice as bad as phantom limb pain.

...or Chase takes off the wrong leg.

....but then when he made those off the wall diagnoses, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on....

Well, amputation would remove the pain.

The point wasn't that there is no solution to removing the pain. The point was that House's pain is too much a part of the show's story to ever allow resolution of his pain.

13 had a real personality in this one in some scenes.

Anyone really believe Mike Tomlin will get in serious trouble for switching to the real medicine?

this was a real weird episode. i cant put my finger on what it was, just seemed odd.

Anyone really believe Mike Tomlin will get in serious trouble for switching to the real medicine?

I dunno... On the one hand, he is a main character... on the other, this show might be looking for a shock or surprise.

All things being equal, I think a more likely outcome than Tomlin getting fired (thus having more time to prepare for the Super Bowl) would be that he gets a slap on the wrist BUT piles of guilt as something real happens to whomever patient he swapped from to get the drug to #13. Could be the whole point of Lori Petty's character... if she's the one who was improving because of the drug, and then being on placebo causes a relapse and downturn for her.

Meanwhile, I will be VERY disappointed if House doesn't at least make one Super Bowl reference this season with Foreman's team in the big game! :)

I just do not see any chemistry between Foreman and 13. Even when she grabbed his hand it seemed so cold and forced.

Cameron was way out of her element as a Cudy replacement, she could never handle the responsibility.

Chase looks like he hasn't showered in a year.

I do not like that Wilson is so unde-utilized this season. They got rid of the awesome PI character when Wilson came back and now nothing with him. No House-Wilson banter. I really miss that part of the show.

I just do not see any chemistry between Foreman and 13. Even when she grabbed his hand it seemed so cold and forced.

Couldn't agree more.

Cameron was way out of her element as a Cudy replacement, she could never handle the responsibility.

She was out of her element. This didn't bother me though, because Cameron was completely aware of this fact.

Chase looks like he hasn't showered in a year.

Nothing new here.

I do not like that Wilson is so unde-utilized this season. They got rid of the awesome PI character when Wilson came back and now nothing with him. No House-Wilson banter. I really miss that part of the show.

I don't know that he is being under utilized that much. I do miss the PI though.

Overall I thought this episode was pretty good.

I dunno... On the one hand, he is a main character... on the other, this show might be looking for a shock or surprise.

All things being equal, I think a more likely outcome than Tomlin getting fired (thus having more time to prepare for the Super Bowl) would be that he gets a slap on the wrist BUT piles of guilt as something real happens to whomever patient he swapped from to get the drug to #13. Could be the whole point of Lori Petty's character... if she's the one who was improving because of the drug, and then being on placebo causes a relapse and downturn for her.

Meanwhile, I will be VERY disappointed if House doesn't at least make one Super Bowl reference this season with Foreman's team in the big game! :)


Good point on taking the real drug from another patient!

I won't spoil things for those who don't watch the previews, but they also showed some serious consequences to the switch (I hope that was generic enough).

Good point on taking the real drug from another patient!

I won't spoil things for those who don't watch the previews, but they also showed some serious consequences to the switch (I hope that was generic enough).

Yeah, the preview for next week was a little ridiculous in the spoiler department.

Well I think we can agree that the medicine to treat 13's disease is not going to work for the simple fact that the show's producers will want to keep the world that House lives in as close to the real world as possible and that means no cure to a currently uncurable disease.

So with that in mind it was a bad move on Tomlin's part to switch the medicine. Let us hope he does better with his decisions next Sunday.

And as for the episode before this last one .... has there ever been a better epiphany moment than House figuring it all out because a Plumber scratched himself? =)

Who the heck is Tomlin?
you lost me there guys...

You mean Foreman?

Who the heck is Tomlin?
you lost me there guys...

You mean Foreman?

Mike Tomlin is the head coach of the Pittsburgh Steelers (you know, one of the teams that is playing in a little football game this coming Sunday). Some feel that he looks just like Foreman.

And no.......I am not related to him. ;)

Who the heck is Tomlin?
you lost me there guys...

You mean Foreman?


No we mean Mike Tomlin, have you been watching at all this season?

Who the heck is Tomlin?
you lost me there guys...

You mean Foreman?

http://yinzluvsteelers.squarespace.com/storage/mike-tomlin.jpg http://weblogs.newsday.com/sports/football/bob_blog/omarepps.jpg

They don't look so much alike that I would really confuse them in real life... but I was glad to see on this forum that I wasn't the only one who noticed more than a passing resemblance.

Part of it also comes from their mannerisms. The character Foreman has a stoic/confident/stern kind of demeanor... and Tomlin in real life comes across much the same way.

I also believe they each have performed the same number of operating room surgical procedures... and until Sunday have coached in the same number of Super Bowls ;)

They don't look so much alike that I would really confuse them in real life... but I was glad to see on this forum that I wasn't the only one who noticed more than a passing resemblance.

Part of it also comes from their mannerisms. The character Foreman has a stoic/confident/stern kind of demeanor... and Tomlin in real life comes across much the same way.

I also believe they each have performed the same number of operating room surgical procedures... and until Sunday have coached in the same number of Super Bowls ;)


Tomlin coached in a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

Tomlin (the real Tomlin) at least has had 10X more interesting moments on House than the new team.

I didn't even know the Super Bowl was this weekend, let alone who's playing or who any of the players or coaches are.

I only record the SB for the commercials.

I didn't even know the Super Bowl was this weekend, let alone who's playing or who any of the players or coaches are.

I only record the SB for the commercials.

Probably one of the best Super Bowl commercials you won't see on Sunday. :D

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/01/nbc-bans-petas-super-bowl-ad.html#more

Sorry it never crossed my mind that Omar Epps looks like Tomlin... When I'm watching House I'm only thinking about Cuddy, Cam and 13....

Tomlin coached in a Super Bowl with Tampa Bay.

I should have said head-coaching... I forgot about when he was an assistant with Tampa.

Now if Tomlin wins the Super Bowl, we can look forward to "The Tomlin story" a made-for-TV movie starring Omar Epps :)

Probably one of the best Super Bowl commercials you won't see on Sunday. :D

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/01/nbc-bans-petas-super-bowl-ad.html#more

I may never be able to look at broccoli the same after that :eek:

Anyway, I just don't get the supposed chemistry between Forman and Thirteen (...should we call them "For-Teen"?). It happened fast and as a couple they just seem so mis-matched.

I may never be able to look at broccoli the same after that :eek:



Nor pumpkins. Everytime I see a pumpkin, you know what I'll be thinking. :)

I heard another interpretation for PITA.... people interested in eating tasty animals. Oh, that doesn't sound right. oh well...

Anyway, I just don't get the supposed chemistry between Forman and Thirteen (...should we call them "For-Teen"?). It happened fast and as a couple they just seem so mis-matched.

I have to agree. It's not the idea of them being in a relationship that is bothersome... it's that it seems to have come completely out of left-field. As a counter balance, House and Cameron have teased at it since season 1 but nothing actually happens. Foreman and 13 isn't out of the realm of possibility, but the fact that it had no build-up makes it appear like a writer-forced scenario.

House and Cameron have teased at it since season 1 but nothing actually happens.Recall that Cameron told him that she was interested and that they subsequently went out on a date. Cameron then decided that she wasn't really interested in him in that way. It's obvious that she still idolizes him to some extent.

Tomlin (the real Tomlin) at least has had 10X more interesting moments on House than the new team.

Thanks!

;)

Probably one of the best Super Bowl commercials you won't see on Sunday. :D

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/01/nbc-bans-petas-super-bowl-ad.html#more

Other than the good looking women, I thought that ad was pretty stupid. Seriously, licking a pumpkin and having vegetables in a large hot tub/spa?

And I say this as someone who was raised vegetarian! :eek:

Recall that Cameron told him that she was interested and that they subsequently went out on a date. Cameron then decided that she wasn't really interested in him in that way. It's obvious that she still idolizes him to some extent.


Also, when Stacy was briefly employed at the hospital, Cameron told House that she had thought he was too messed up to love anybody....but she realized he just couldn't love her. Stacy was the one.

Other than the good looking women, I thought that ad was pretty stupid. Seriously, licking a pumpkin and having vegetables in a large hot tub/spa?

And I say this as someone who was raised vegetarian! :eek:

It would be totally hilarious to spoof that commercial from the perspective of a group even more militant than PETA. You could have it come from the perspective of a group who won't even harm veggies. They could be petitioning to have the name of celery changes to green puppies. Then they could show the "raw" footage of the commercial where the veggies scream as they hit the hot tub water.

It would be totally hilarious to spoof that commercial from the perspective of a group even more militant than PETA. You could have it come from the perspective of a group who won't even harm veggies. They could be petitioning to have the name of celery changes to green puppies. Then they could show the "raw" footage of the commercial where the veggies scream as they hit the hot tub water.

:D:p;)

Other than the good looking women, I thought that ad was pretty stupid. :eek:


Couldn't you say that about virtually EVERY ad? :D

Couldn't you say that about virtually EVERY ad? :D

Depends on your definition of stupid.

I hope to see some very good ads this Sunday for example!

The commercial just makes me want to eat an extra rare steak...

With all the Beer "Stripper" commercials and innuendo laden Erectile Dysfunction Med ads and Porn Site WebSite/Dating Service/Escort Service ads that are allowed, why would this even rate a second thought. I laughed pretty hard actually.

I'd much rather they ban all the Cialis/Viagra/Enzyte/Dial A Date ads than this -- oh yeah, a bunch of old men decide which ads are OK and an ad with a woman hinting about Meatless Sex can't be allowed.

Of course, PETA gets 10X more airplay and publicity with the ban than if the ad aired during the SB without having to shell out the broadcast dollars -- Brilliant Campaign strategy actually.

Of course, PETA gets 10X more airplay and publicity with the ban than if the ad aired during the SB without having to shell out the broadcast dollars -- Brilliant Campaign strategy actually.

Exactly, and local news directors all over the country are taking the bait like starving tuna.

To me, the 100th episode went as expected (thanks to the spoilerific previews). I didn't find anything to be a big surprise.

To me, the 100th episode went as expected (thanks to the spoilerific previews). I didn't find anything to be a big surprise.

They said they weren't going to make a big deal over #100...still a good ep...

I loved House stealing money out of someone's wallet...

That whole Cuddy thing was a little hard to believe. Some of her antics where border line illegal or life threatening, especially with someone with House's disability. I can't see someone in her position doing those things.

Still WAY too much over-analyzing going on with House these days. I really miss the House of Season 1 and 2.

To me, the 100th episode went as expected (thanks to the spoilerific previews). I didn't find anything to be a big surprise.I found it surprising that Cameron and Chase weren't in it at all...

It still seems weird to me to see Jennifer Morrison and Jesse Spencer in the opening credits while the new crew are guest stars. If anything, it should be the other way around...

I found it surprising that Cameron and Chase weren't in it at all...

It still seems weird to me to see Jennifer Morrison and Jesse Spencer in the opening credits while the new crew are guest stars. If anything, it should be the other way around...

...they must have better agents....or a better contract.

Anyway, I thought the 100th was decent enough though not one of the show's best. Probably because I just don't get the chemistry (or lack thereof) between Forman and Hadley...that and the "let's make her blind and then not" in the span of a few days.

Cuddy definitely crossed a line last night. Some of those antics were downright mean. House can be a jerk, but I think the ADA regulations would still prevent her from having trip wires installed.

And how many regulations does House break on a weekly basis. House would of been gone a long time ago if they played by the rules at that hospital.

And how many regulations does House break on a weekly basis. House would of been gone a long time ago if they played by the rules at that hospital.

Oh, not argument on that one. In fact it is Cuddy that is tolerating those antics.

However, the rules are different for a manager versus an employee when it comes to safety and other issues.

Cuddy definitely crossed a line last night. Some of those antics were downright mean. House can be a jerk, but I think the ADA regulations would still prevent her from having trip wires installed.

My wife and I discussed whether Cuddy's tripwire along with House & Foreman giving "off the books" radiation therapy rose to the level of "jumping the shark". We decided they did not.

for the 100th ep I was was expecting a bit of a shake up but the most we got was Cuddy being mean and 13 being another of House's staff who becomes a patient. The episode was largely a dull thud on the carpet.

Really wish they would get rid of the 50 minute revelation that House has to have to solve the case. Most of his diagnosis is just blind luck now. If someone didn't make an offhanded comment 50 minutes in most of his patients would be dead.

Oh, not argument on that one. In fact it is Cuddy that is tolerating those antics.

However, the rules are different for a manager versus an employee when it comes to safety and other issues.
And for the handicapped.

Yeah maybe in real life but in House land the rules are different.

This is a TV show, right?

I wish they would end the relationship with 13, and the black house guy, it's so lame!

I wish they would end the relationship with 13, and the black house guy, it's so lame!I thought it was funny that she still called him "Foreman" in private...

I wish they would end the relationship with 13, and the black house guy, it's so lame!

Why? Once you go black, you're gonna need a wheelchair. LOL.

Is it just me or does it seem like House has been genuinely trying to help Foreman and 13 the past 2 episodes? Usually, he's all about blowing people up, but not this time.

And has anyone else noticed Kutner's fairly obvious repeated insubordination?

I wish they would end the relationship with 13, and the black house guy, it's so lame!

How anyone can forget Epps'/Forman's name, yet recall 13's non-name is beyond belief! :mad:

I do agree they should end the relationship though...but only if they kill off 13.

...And Kumar.

...And Dr. Plastic.

Blue the Janitor's cameo generated more excitement than these three have the entire season. :(

I was actually surprised that Hadley/13 got back together with Forman at the end of the episode. The only reason that she allowed herself to get involved with him or anyone was that she thought the medication was going to prevent her from becoming a dying, dependent cripple. She expressed a desire to keep anyone from getting dragged with her as her disease progressed. Also, she couldn't deal with the fact that he cared enough about her to risk his career by manipulating the drug trial. I guess that all that changed when it turned out that him giving her the medication almost killed her :rolleyes:.

13 also did a complete 180 saying she now wanted kids. Lame.

Speaking of kids, is that this year's theme? Cuddy, 13, now Plastic. Can't they just all adopt Kumar and be done with it?

Forget everyone else, I want house to get in more car accidents, gunshots and more crazy situations!

LOL!

I assume that the first 5 minutes of this episode was only a distribution disaster for WNYW in NYC as I do not see it mentioned in the thread?

13 also did a complete 180 saying she now wanted kids. Lame.

Speaking of kids, is that this year's theme? Cuddy, 13, now Plastic. Can't they just all adopt Kumar and be done with it?

Too Funny.

I bet one or more of the writers are having kids.

I assume that the first 5 minutes of this episode was only a distribution disaster for WNYW in NYC as I do not see it mentioned in the thread?

I mentioned above it was perfect in Denver, which as far as I know records and plays back the east coast network feed.

So Taub should get divorced, marry Cuddy, instant child there...

But naaa! I bet House marries Cuddy at the last episode of the series...

I mentioned above it was perfect in Denver, which as far as I know records and plays back the east coast network feed.

They don't, FOX has a separate feed for the mountain time zone.

so there is only 100 episodes of house and that stupid cable channel keeps
running them 24/7.

someone should tell them there are other programs they can run.

So Taub should get divorced, marry Cuddy, instant child there...

But naaa! I bet House marries Cuddy at the last episode of the series...

I believe the last episode of the series will end with House strolling past a construction site and stopping to watch a carpenter putting nails into a wall .... giving us that epiphany look .... then reaching into the back of his right leg and pulling out an old rusty 3 inch nail ....a quick "I should have know it grin" and then running off into the sunset.

Well. That's my guess anyway.

i believe the last episode of the series will end with house strolling past a construction site and stopping to watch a carpenter putting nails into a wall .... Giving us that epiphany look .... Then reaching into the back of his right leg and pulling out an old rusty 3 inch nail ....a quick "i should have know it grin" and then running off into the sunset.

Well. That's my guess anyway.

:d

when are they going to air the next episode?

They canceled this one?

when are they going to air the next episode?

Just like everything else in the 8/7C hour, this has been pre-empted by the Presidential Press Conference. Each of the networks announced their plans for this last week, and the episode scheduled for tonight will air next week.

http://tv.yahoo.com/blog/house-ten-reasons-why-its-so-disappointing-this-season--112

We love Hugh Laurie, and we love "House," but this season has been kind of a mess.

Last season wasn't without its problems, it took some hits for trying to add in so many wannabe House's and for killing CTB (or Amber, if you must) but at least they were trying something a little bit out there... and the cases were cool. House trying to save a woman at the North Pole? Cool. Parasites? Always awesome. Overdose caused be something as stupid as tonic water? Brilliant. But aside from Breckin Meyer seeing people like Picassos, there haven't been any super memorable cases.

So after 100 episodes, we've got to wonder, is this procedural getting to be a little too procedural? And for the love of god, will they ever remember whose name is in the title of the show? Here are 10 reasons why we're disappointed by "House" this season:

1. Too Much Thirteen
Hadley. Thirteen. Whatever. This show is about Dr. Gregory House. Not about this whiny new character who has Huntington's disease we're presumably supposed to feel bad for. We just keep hoping she'll get early onset and have to quit her day job. Or die a sudden death. Either way. Then we could go back to the show we liked about people treating patients, not becoming them.

2. House Seems to Have Given Up
He used to revel in making people miserable, or acting really irritating around them until they caved to his ways. Now it seems like his heart isn't in it. He was being nice to Foreman last week and advising him not to throw his career away. And he didn't even retaliate against Cuddy when she started pranking him with the elevators. Who is this guy? Not the House we know and love.

3. Cameron is Rarely On
They finally gave Cameron something to do, and it was a job she was completely unqualified for, but hey, we actually got to see her. But the show giveth and then they taketh away, and now that Cuddy's back at work, they've sent Cameron off again to see ER patients and occasionally tell Foreman it is all going to be OK as long as he doesn't turn into House. That's what we call an egregious waste of an original castmember, and it's not OK, especially in light of this show becoming the Thirteen Complains About Everything Variety Hour.

4. Cuddy is Baby Crazy and Stupid
Cuddy is a smart, educated woman who runs a freakin' hospital and offers up medical diagnoses on occasion. But they've turned her from Miss Independent to a co-dependent pile of mush who can't do her job right because she's got baby brain (and she didn't even give birth to the kid) and is just desperate for House's approval that she's pulling stupid pranks to get him to notice her. And one more scene of her doing the "Who's a cute wittle baby? Who is?" and we'll scream. She can be a working mother and not be so annoying. How did she not know raising a baby was hard? Ridiculous.

5. Too Much Foreman
Out of our three original House minions, Foreman was our least favorite, and yet, he gets the most screen time. And it is all him being an idiot when he tries to get better jobs because he's unfulfilled working for one of the best doctors in the country or something. Or it is Foreman trying to do stupid things to impress Thirteen. And the only thing worse than Foreman and Thirteen alone, is the two of them together.

6. Chase Is Never on the Show
This shaggy Australian seemed like a weak link back in the day, but he was a good person to have working for House. He knew when to stand up for himself and when to kiss up. Sort of genius in a way. We get that he is tired of House's antics, but he still has to do random surgeries for House when needed, so why not just deal with House? After all, he is supposedly this preeminent doctor.

7. Wilson Is Too Mopey
Wilson with Cutthroat B*tch was the Wilson we loved. Dealing with House, but also having his own life. It was kind of awesome, but after they killed off Amber, Wilson has turned all mopey. First he ran away, now he's back and just kind of sad all the time. Where has funny snarky Wilson who could banter with House gone? Where is the man who could call House out? He's forlornly washing mugs in his dead girlfriend's house, that's where! Come back, original flavor Wilson!

8. They Got Rid of Lucas
Aside from CTB, the only other new recent addition that we truly loved was Lucas. He was everything that Wilson should be. He was funny, loved to flirt with Cuddy, uncovered dirt about House and was actually a friend to him. And it didn't hurt that he didn't have a job in the hospital. His outsider perspective was refreshing... which clearly meant he had to go.

9. Too Much Cuddy/House Flirting
She let a hostage-taking gunman into her hospital and then put herself in the line of fire because she was just so in love with the cranky doctor. He spends all his time pulling pranks on her and sending her mixed messages. They would be a terrible couple. So let it go already. Let them just be friends/colleagues, like they used to be.

10. Because After Five Seasons, We're On to Them
We know this show is a procedural, but they could switch it up once and a while, couldn't they? Why do the doctors always need to almost kill the patient twice with misdiagnoses before they find out what the actual culprit is. Isn't House supposed to be excellent at his job? Couldn't he get one right the first time once and a while? Or even the second time? Let's break out of the formula once in a while. Please?

I agree with 8...we need more Lucas

That's a horrible take on the show, on almost every item.

1. It's actually 13 and Foreman at the same time. But that doesn't seem to be noticed even though "original castmember" screentime would be preferred, apparently. Or maybe "original castmember" isn't really what's important....
2. House used reverse tactics for one episode. And it got him what he wanted. This should be exactly what the author wants, considering items 8 and 10 below.
3/5/6. So basically, the author likes Cameron and not the other two orig flunkies. But disguises that under "an egregious waste of an original castmember", even though he simply wants to see more of her. Only her. Wonder what that really means.
4. Obviously knows nothing about babies, mothers, certainly not working mothers. It was perhaps a little overdone, but it is TV. I really get tired of the idea that all women know everything they are "supposed" to know about kids. What is that, a positive stereotype so it's ok?? If the last 20 years of family degredation in this country haven't proved they need some training, too, what will?
7. So, you only liked Wilson for 1 season? Wilson is less mopey now than before CB came along. I would like to see Wilson doing his job again, not necessarily spending 20 minutes of airtime on it, but get out of his office or cafeteria for his meetings with House, let him look like an actual oncologist occasionally.
8. It would be nice to see him on occasion. But they overdid the character at first and most people were sick of it. Just about time for a brief comeback.
9. I can't decide. So no comment.
10. See #2.

I love articles like this from people who want to force TV shows into their little myopic idea of what the show should be.

Personally, I love the idea of House and Cuddy finally getting together at some point - there really is, underlying the sniping, a deep bond there that has who knows what other depth to it over the years.

House has never been purely evil for evil's sake, but has been, uh, unorthodox in getting his way.

He's shown he cares about others in at least some ways before.

What he can't stand is hypocrisy.

So not wanting to see Foreman torpedo his career is completely in character.

However if Foreman had seen "nothing wrong" with doing so in the first place, House would have been all over him; the key is Foreman knew it was wrong all along and did it anyway.

With all the author finds "wrong" with House I'm surprised there's no mention of the fact that Lupus hasn't been mentioned once this season…

With all the author finds "wrong" with House I'm surprised there's no mention of the fact that Lupus hasn't been mentioned once this season…

Well it never is Lupus... except in that one case....

Well it never is Lupus... except in that one case....

Oh right, the one with the dog (Canis lupus familiaris). :)

http://i112.photobucket.com/albums/n172/spyderswebphotos/1217294045325s.jpg

Oh right, the one with the dog (Canis lupus familiaris). :)

Actually it was the one with the Magician that Kutner and Big Love went to see

Fourteen.
No, you're not. No, you can't. And no, I don't.
You can buy a 'shovel'.

Somebody give the writers a bonus!! I'm not even halfway through, yet.

Gosh, I feel so grown up.
The plot kinda sucks so far. The one-liners are impressive.

My patience with House is almost out now. The Foreteen/Thirman storyline is clunky and tiresome and they have no chemistry at all. There's not enough Wilson, the team characters have become one dimensional to a superficial level and Cuddy has becoming a whiny, confused, lovestruck adolescent.

And the Yahoo author above was spot on with #10 about the formula because this was another episode that ran it through on cue. Guess the diagnosis for 45 minutes and then figure it out ten minutes before the end after someone makes an offhanded remark that results in epiphany. The writers are just phoning it in now.

House needs to start being correct without having to best guess his way through the storyline until someone gives him a seemingly irrelevant clue just before the credits roll.

Why do people post saying they're done or "almost done" with a show?

If you dislike it so much bye, see you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Those of us who enjoy it will continue to do so.

That having been said, where the #$@! did the "shakey cam" come from on this episode?

Did they have to borrow one of 24's cinematographers?

One of the worst episodes of the year. The first time I can remember that I disliked House himself and not just the supporting cast.

Why do people post saying they're done or "almost done" with a show?

If you dislike it so much bye, see you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Those of us who enjoy it will continue to do so.


Please grow up.

Your 15 year old internet fan boy approach is extremely weak.

"Wahhh, someone is criticizing the show I like and I have no solid counterpoint."

Why do people post saying they're done or "almost done" with a show?

If you dislike it so much bye, see you, don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Those of us who enjoy it will continue to do so.



Can't he simply still enjoy some parts of the show, and express his disappointment with other parts of the show? Wouldn't that be a true fan of the series?:rolleyes:

In any case, I really didn't care if 13 or Foreman left the show or not. I just don't have any emotional connection with these characters anymore. Kumar and the Smurf could have left and I wouldn't have batted an eye either.

I enjoyed the show, all the characters got some screen time, yes, lots of "forteen", as long as it is a lot of House I'm OK..

I liked seeing House get played by Foreteen, it was obvious, but nice.

House needs to start being correct without having to best guess his way through the storyline until someone gives him a seemingly irrelevant clue just before the credits roll.

I watched a bunch of "Mystery Diagnosis" episodes on TLC the other day, and believe it or not, this is the way it sometimes happens.

I watched a bunch of "Mystery Diagnosis" episodes on TLC the other day, and believe it or not, this is the way it sometimes happens.

I believe it happens sometimes, but in the case of House the show has reached the point where in almost every episode now the only way to cure someone is to hope that 5 minutes before the show ends someone will make an tangential comment that gives House a clue.

He's an expert diagnostician so at least just once every 5 episodes he should be able to look at the facts and correctly deduce the problem using his knowledge and experience. He is supposed to be Sherlock Holmes MD. Piece together the mystery just by logical deduction and examining the evidence House!

It would have been a bad day for Scotland Yard if Holmes had to wait around in every book for someone to say something that might give him an idea who the suspect was.

I thought it was a pretty soft episode as well...

But what would the show do for an hour if we didn't have the random tests and speculation? I'm fine with all of that, since to me, the medical drama is not much of a drama at all. It's about the characters, and I still enjoy them.

I liked seeing House get played by Foreteen, it was obvious, but nice.

Yeah, it was obvious, and expect House to get that investigator to find out the truth.;)

But what would the show do for an hour if we didn't have the random tests and speculation? I'm fine with all of that, since to me, the medical drama is not much of a drama at all. It's about the characters, and I still enjoy them.

You're right the show doesn't need the formulaic mystery. It's House that's the main draw. So why can't House get a diagnosis correct after 20 minutes using logical deduction and then work on another case or go and do something completely non-medical related?

Go back to one of the first episodes of this season. One of the best episodes of the entire show didn't involve House sitting in his office firing off one liners and insulting his staff until the epiphany 5 minutes from the end. It was House and Wilson in a car taking a road trip.

I'd be happy if it was just House and Wilson sitting in a bar. At least that would break up the predictable medical cases that the writers are barely scraping together now.

The difference between a great drama and a forgettable procedural is a great drama uses the plot to explain the characters and doesn't use the characters solely to explain the plot.

After one season of Homicide, NYPD Blue, E.R. etc. you knew more about the people in the show than we've learned over five seasons of House. Right now the show is the equivalent of House walking around with a BB gun and the supporting cast are just there for something to shoot at for 40 minutes until he runs out of ammo and has to solve the case with a lucky clue.

"Wahhh, someone is criticizing the show I like and I have no solid counterpoint."

I'm sorry, I just laugh at the people who say "XYZZY was the worst episode of this show ever!" and yet continue to watch.

You want counterpoint?

I'm waiting for House and Cuddy to finally get together, to finally admit what we've all seen for years.

Cuddy has a thing for House, and if House would ever admit it he knows Cuddy is perfect for him.

Thirteen/Foreman is no more annoying than Cameron and Chase.

Taub being self-righteous about relationships? That's a laugh.

But that doesn't stop it from being one of the best shows on TV week after week.

Aside from my hate for the new shaky-cam.

I'm still trying to figure out how and when Liam McPoyle became a priest.

Someone actually cares about the medical aspect of the show this much?:p Of course it is the end of the show when he figures it out or the patient dies. How he reaches his epiphany on the problem means little to me when it comes to the show. The dramas stems from the interaction with, about and around the patients for the most part. It is about how House deals with his relationships and his personal beliefs or lack there of. If I cared about the medical aspect one bit I would have quit watching the show a long time ago. I have a bit of medical training myself so I know exactly how unrealistic most of it is.

I always enjoy the episodes when he questions the existence of God or questions faith.


I believe it happens sometimes, but in the case of House the show has reached the point where in almost every episode now the only way to cure someone is to hope that 5 minutes before the show ends someone will make an tangential comment that gives House a clue.

He's an expert diagnostician so at least just once every 5 episodes he should be able to look at the facts and correctly deduce the problem using his knowledge and experience. He is supposed to be Sherlock Holmes MD. Piece together the mystery just by logical deduction and examining the evidence House!

It would have been a bad day for Scotland Yard if Holmes had to wait around in every book for someone to say something that might give him an idea who the suspect was.

If I cared about the medical aspect one bit I would have quit watching the show a long time ago. I have a bit of medical training myself so I know exactly how unrealistic most of it is.One of my closest friends is a practicing physician--he holds an MD and a PhD and studies/consults on rare pediatric genetic disease cases. He likes the medicine in the show (or at least he used to). I've never asked how he feels about the final "epiphany" plot device.

Someone actually cares about the medical aspect of the show this much?:p

No you're missing the point. I don't care about the medical aspect. I care that the medical aspect is now written using a machine that churns out the same formulaic stories every week. I'd rather they dump the entire mystery plot than have the same thing week in and week out that the cast can sleepwalk through.

It's just like the old pre-credits fake out. They used to do that almost every week until familiarity bred pointlessness.

I'm still trying to figure out how and when Liam McPoyle became a priest.

Don't you mean Lyle the intern?

I actually really liked this episode.

Here is my number 1 gripe with this show: I am getting sick of late in the episode, House having some conversation with someone who says something totally random and House magically comes up with the diagnosis. Literally they have done this in almost every episode of late.

Don't you mean Lyle the intern?

I noticed that too. Now there's a gag that got killed on Letterman by badly timed casting.

I noticed that too. Now there's a gag that got killed on Letterman by badly timed casting.

Lyle was on Letterman again last night, so his dramatic appearances on other shows don't seem to have killed the bit.

Don't you mean Lyle the intern?I do admit they bear a striking resemblance...

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2351/1992927137_5243b955ef.jpg

http://www.thedailytube.com/videoimage/11276/290x215-lyle-the-intern-reminds-us-of-somebody.jpg

Maybe it's easy to forget that House is who patients come to when nobody else has the answer after trying everything they can think of. If the answer were simple, the case would be resolved before the show even started! :eek:

The epiphany comes because House NEVER stops thinking about the puzzle, even when he's doing something completely unrelated to the case or even medicine in general. In contrast, a "regular" diagnostician would likely leave his work at work and go home to the wife/life away from it all and forget about it entirely. House is a brilliant enigma-solver that is married to the medicine/mystery, so he doesn't have such a luxury...nor would he want it.

I can't personally recall how many times I've been frustrated with something, only to have an "Ah-Ha!" moment somewhere down the line after walking away from the situation and getting a new perspective. :)

If you want to be pissed about epiphanies, let's talk about Kumar's dumb-ass revelations! :mad:

....and that's what contributes to making the story interesting. Well that along with they darn near kill each patient before getting to the ah-ha moment. :)

Don't you mean Lyle the intern?

To me he'll always be Mike Mageau from the end of David Fincher's Zodiac…

After one season of Homicide, NYPD Blue, E.R. etc. you knew more about the people in the show than we've learned over five seasons of House. Right now the show is the equivalent of House walking around with a BB gun and the supporting cast are just there for something to shoot at for 40 minutes until he runs out of ammo and has to solve the case with a lucky clue.

True enough. For me, the show is too far down the road to even attempt to develop the characters to any depth. The actions of just about everyone on the show do not reflect typical human behavior. And no matter how brilliant House is, he'd be gone for sexual harassment or any other of his many obvious offenses.

I've been with the show since the beginning. It gives us what it gives us, and to me that's interesting, albeit unrealistic, human interactions and a sense of humor. I find House an intriguing character, so it still works for me. Great, suspenseful drama it ain't.

To me he'll always be Mike Mageau from the end of David Fincher's Zodiac…

That's where I've seen him. Zodiac. All I know is that he's a creepy looking guy.

That's where I've seen him. Zodiac. All I know is that he's a creepy looking guy.

He could be the next Steve Buscemi.

Wow. Two really weak episodes back to back.

I cant believe they have a perfect opportunity to cure all their problems in one episode but instead its right back to the status quo at the end. Just lame.

What should have happened:
House gets fired and stay fired. Goes to the competing hospital and stays on methadone.
House poaches Cameron and Chase from Cuddy.
Chase doesnt put up with Houses games anymore and gives a whole new dynamic for the team.
Foreman leads the team at Princeton and they have their own subplots.
This goes on until the season finale where Cuddy begs House back and declares her love for him and they end it with a cliffhanger of whether House will come back or not.

This would be way more compelling then the crap they have now.

I cancelled my season pass. Ill just Tivo the season finale or when Huddy finally comes to a head, what ever comes first. Otherwise there is no point to watching. Its not entertaining and it has become "rolling my eyes" bad lately.

I was almost sure she would declare her love for him last night, guess not... maybe end of the series??

"I think my penis stopped breathing, want to perform CPR?"

I don't care...I still like the show...and at least there was no epiphany moment last night...

"I think my penis stopped breathing, want to perform CPR?"

I don't care...I still like the show...and at least there was no epiphany moment last night...

....well, technically, I'd put his realization that meth impaired his judgment to the point where he caused a problem with the patient into that category.

Back to the same old unshaven, unkempt, addicted House.

So when do you think a patient is going to actually die? We haven't had one of those for a while now.

I thought this was a terrible episode for many reasons, but let me try and narrow it down to my main ones:

1. House is this genius of a doctor and he first now realizes that methadone would manage his pain?

2. House would rather live in chronic pain because he somehow thinks he performs better that way? So why has he been taking Vicoden again?

Sorry, both of these points stretch incredulity. As someone who lives in chronic pain I would be more than happy to get any relief. So is House going to give up his Vicoden too? No. Obviously that must be effecting his judgement as well.

Poor writing.

It was better than last week's, but still not good. I agree that the timing of the methodone use is strange. Why now? House has hit bottom several times in the past and never resorted to meth.

For clarification, methadone and meth(amphetamine) are two different drugs and do two completely different things. Some of you are using the names interchangeably which is incorrect.

If House was using "meth", he'd be bouncing off the walls instead of dozing off. :D

I think the writers made it very clear that it was dangerous for a non-heroin addict to be taking methadone, especially on his own without a strict dosing regimen. House probably didn't do it before because he knew how dangerous it would be.

There are people with chronic pain in our society that function well on constant narcotic medication. Most cannot, but some do.

There are people with chronic pain in our society that function well on constant narcotic medication. Most cannot, but some do.Name a few. None. I can speak from personal experience on this, (and it is something I don't like to speak about very often). Having nerve pain is the worst kind of pain a person can experience. Given the choice between having pain and feeling drugged and no pain, no pain wins every time.

Remember the episode where House had side effects from long-term use of Vicoden? I wish they would do more episodes like this.

Pro Football players.

Pro Football players.No, they do not suffer the same kind of pain House does. He has nerve pain/muscle death, which is some of the worst possible pain anyone can have. Anyone having longterm chronic pain of any kind (especially this) would give up anything to get rid of it. Believe me when I say that narcodics barely make a dent. The fact that House voluntarily decided to be in pain again makes no sense whatsoever.

I guess it just goes to show that art is in the eyes of the beholder. I actually enjoyed this episode the most of any this season.

No, they do not suffer the same kind of pain House does. He has nerve pain/muscle death, which is some of the worst possible pain anyone can have. Anyone having longterm chronic pain of any kind (especially this) would give up anything to get rid of it. Believe me when I say that narcodics barely make a dent. The fact that House voluntarily decided to be in pain again makes no sense whatsoever.

Since when does stuff that happens on TV shows make any sense what so ever.

I guess it just goes to show that art is in the eyes of the beholder. I actually enjoyed this episode the most of any this season.

Me too. I actually sat there and enjoyed every minute of this episode. It was great to see a different side of House. Hell, Foreman and 13 weren't so bad in this episode either. Too bad we didn't get to see Cameron, and that odd looking Brit whose name escapes me.

I thought this was a terrible episode for many reasons, but let me try and narrow it down to my main ones:

1. House is this genius of a doctor and he first now realizes that methadone would manage his pain?

2. House would rather live in chronic pain because he somehow thinks he performs better that way? So why has he been taking Vicoden again?

Sorry, both of these points stretch incredulity. As someone who lives in chronic pain I would be more than happy to get any relief. So is House going to give up his Vicoden too? No. Obviously that must be effecting his judgement as well.

Poor writing.

Methadone increases the likelihood of death, Vicodin's main attack is on the liver. In the words of Wilson "Death is worse".

I got the impression from Cuddy that particular medication was safe to use if managed properly. But as we know House is a longterm drug abuser. So it's OK for them to allow House to abuse vicoden and work there, and not methadone? Obviously they saw the hypocrisy in that and caved.

I got the impression from Cuddy that particular medication was safe to use if managed properly. But as we know House is a longterm drug abuser. So it's OK for them to allow House to abuse vicoden and work there, and not methadone? Obviously they saw the hypocrisy in that and caved.

Methadone can cause cardiac arrhythmia. Because of the way it effects the brain (shuts down the sensors that heroin and other opiates usually excite), you can OD on it without knowing it which can cause you to stop breathing or go outright into a coma.

The same way that heroine and vicodin was allowing House to not feel the obvious pain his leg is creating, methadone was 'numbing' his brain from that.

The drug wasn't causing House to 'miss' things, the lack of pain was causing House to miss things. He was pain free, which in turn made him happy. By being happy, he found other things that he enjoyed or could focus on. When he was in pain and miserable, the only thing that took his mind off the pain was being brilliant. Similar to when one of your senses go bad, the others get stronger. Well, for House, he physically couldn't do things which made his mind sharper. When his body was able to finally do the things he wanted it to do, he didn't spend as much time focusing on being brilliant.

Name a few. None. I can speak from personal experience on this, (and it is something I don't like to speak about very often). Having nerve pain is the worst kind of pain a person can experience. Given the choice between having pain and feeling drugged and no pain, no pain wins every time.

Remember the episode where House had side effects from long-term use of Vicoden? I wish they would do more episodes like this.

Dave, I am sorry about your condition, but yes there are people that do it. I've known several patients with post-surgical chronic back pain who are able to function very well in society, including working full-time, while on narcotics such as Vicodin or Lortab/Oxycodone.

Narcotics, as you well know, are not effective for nerve pain.

The drug wasn't causing House to 'miss' things, the lack of pain was causing House to miss things. He was pain free, which in turn made him happy. By being happy, he found other things that he enjoyed or could focus on. When he was in pain and miserable, the only thing that took his mind off the pain was being brilliant. Similar to when one of your senses go bad, the others get stronger. Well, for House, he physically couldn't do things which made his mind sharper. When his body was able to finally do the things he wanted it to do, he didn't spend as much time focusing on being brilliant.

But Stacy and Cuddy have both said that House was pretty much the same before his infarction. So this implies that he has always been a brilliant doctor with or without pain.

Also, why take methadone now? He's been in severe pain several times before and asked to be put in a ketamine induced coma after being shot and begged Cuddy for morphine. In this case, there was no apparent increase in his pain and he just started taking the methadone all of a sudden.

But Stacy and Cuddy have both said that House was pretty much the same before his infarction. So this implies that he has always been a brilliant doctor with or without pain.

Also, why take methadone now? He's been in severe pain several times before and asked to be put in a ketamine induced coma after being shot and begged Cuddy for morphine. In this case, there was no apparent increase in his pain and he just started taking the methadone all of a sudden.

Of course, I can't be for certain since these aren't real people and I'm not a writer for the show but this entire season has been about 'change'. The overarching theme is that if you are just staying still, you are failing at life. Wilson was forced to move on after Amber's death, Cuddy was forced to deal with the new baby in her life. House hasn't had to change because eventually they both came back to him. Even Foreman was willing to risk his career and 13s life because he loved her.

The sub-storyline of the entire show has been the relationship between House and Cuddy and I believe the idea was that House was showing he could change, that he wasn't the miserable person he always acts to be for Cuddy. She didn't want to invite him to the ceremony because he is a terrible person, although eventually she realized how important to her he was.

When she tried retribution against him for bringing her back to the hospital, he didn't up the stakes, he just decided to let her punch herself out. That's very 'un-House' like.

The ketamine induced coma was an opportunity seen by House to take a bold step to fix his leg problem. It failed. The morphine had nothing to do with his leg pain, as Wilson and Cuddy pointed out to House. It was a psychological problem most likely because he kicked Stacy to the curb after she offered to leave her husband and he had a chance to be happy again. He just wanted to get high.

And even then, ketamine caused House to have an hallucination and the eventual effects wore off. It wasn't something he could keep dosing with unless he wanted to constantly be having hallucinations in which he forgot how the human body worked.

Wilson and House got into an argument in the episode in which the teenage boy suffered from complications from termite infestation. Wilson asked House if he had changed at all since losing the use of his leg and House, when pressed, told him "Of course I've changed".

The pain doesn't have to increase. It just beats on him every minute of every day. He reached a point where he couldn't take it anymore and was desperate enough to try an extreme solution.

A few drips of water on your forehead is only mildly annoying. Do it nonstop for days, and it's torture.

It would have made more sense to have House try methodone in a multi episode arc in which his pain is increasing. For example, his pain was worsening when he treated the chronic pain suffering hockey player. The following episode would have been perfect for him to try methodone. Doing it now seems like he tried it just for the hell of it.

It would have made more sense to have House try methodone in a multi episode arc in which his pain is increasing. For example, his pain was worsening when he treated the chronic pain suffering hockey player. The following episode would have been perfect for him to try methodone. Doing it now seems like he tried it just for the hell of it.

that is my biggest gripe of the show now. Aside from what an abortion this season has become. They are just throwing huge plot lines up against the wall and seeing what sticks. (nothing has) Instead of having well paced plot lines throughout the season, they have crammed them into self contained episode and the results are rushed:



House deciding to be nice for Christmas and then deciding not to.
The whole Huddy fiasco.
Cuddy adopting and losing her first baby
Cameron becoming House's boss
13's self destruction
Nip/Tuck's infedelity and then baby craze for no apparent reason
And now the Methadone.


All of these were really weak plot points that were rushed and if eased into the season over an arch, would have faired much better.

But instead we get a bunch of mini archs: House and Wilson's friendship, Ambers death, and Cuddy's baby.

And the only long arch this season has been the awful Foreteen.


It has been pretty bad writing the whole season. The writers are peeing on their own feet with this latest episode. House has always tried to find ways to get high and relieve pain. He faked cancer to get an electro wired into his head. And we are suppose to believe that he would give up the methodone? please. :(

It has been pretty bad writing the whole season. The writers are peeing on their own feet with this latest episode. House has always tried to find ways to get high and relieve pain. He faked cancer to get an electro wired into his head. And we are suppose to believe that he would give up the methodone? please. :(

I disagree vehemently.

I like this season, aside from "Fourteen."

Also, House gave up the methadone because it made him miss something, and beyond everything else his problem solving skills are more important to him than his ongoing pain.

Gotta love that "Mmm-Bop" is House's ringtone for the new kids! :D

The depth of the Wilson/House friendship continues to surprise. Some great scenes with them this week.

Hilarious episode last night....

"Thank you for understanding. I'd do you, you know. "

The magic is back (at least for a week). Excellent episode.

I enjoyed this episode a lot too. It will keep me viewing a bit longer!

This episode reminded me of the good eppies they had before all that Season 3 blech, with that 'cop with the agenda' stuff.

Finally a good episode. The Wilson-House part was the best part of the whole show. You know, I realized too there wasn't any Foreman/13 in this and the show really shined. Hmmmm.

Finally a good episode. The Wilson-House part was the best part of the whole show. You know, I realized too there wasn't any Foreman/13 in this and the show really shined. Hmmmm.
I agree that this was the best House in awhile. Any exploration of the decidedly weird House-Wilson friendship is fun.

Gotta love that "Mmm-Bop" is House's ringtone for the new kids! :D

This is actually continuity; I think we heard it as the ringtone from them back in the episode where House and Wilson went to House's Dad's funeral.

"Another graduate from the House School of Being a Dick"

House and Wilson are one of the best dynamics on television so any episode that concentrates on that is a step up in quality.

In fact I thought that they were really attempting to break the episode template when they performed a seemingly successful surgery while House was out.

Then at 8.54pm the writing room alarm went off and they remembered - "Ding! Ding! Ding! Insert random epiphany here!"

Great episode! I can't believe no one commented on this one yet.

Best moment of the night was House bringing the "Death Cat" over to the children's cancer ward with Wilson and unceremoniously announcing, "OK kids! Prepare to meet the therapy cat!!":D:D and then after kid tells only dogs can be therapy animals, Wilson grabs the death cat out of his hands. LOL

Best moment of the night was House bringing the "Death Cat" over to the children's cancer ward...

While that was indeed a great moment, House setting up the Hot-Wheels may have very well been THE greatest moment in entertainment history. EVER. :)

Couple that with the patient flatly adressing the ol' epiphany complaint, and we have a winner.

Now when someone bitches that House has "jumped the shark" they'll finally be right! :D

The Hot Wheels track that House had put together with various hospital supplies was, indeed, a great moment.

Nobody liked the "No, Mr. Bond, I expect you to die" with the attendant eye-widening??

...even though they attributed the quote to Blofeld when any Bondian would know it was good old Auric Goldfinger.

While that was indeed a great moment, House setting up the Hot-Wheels may have very well been THE greatest moment in entertainment history. EVER. :)

Couple that with the patient flatly adressing the ol' epiphany complaint, and we have a winner.

Now when someone bitches that House has "jumped the shark" they'll finally be right! :D

.....that and he was trying to "jump a shark".....:D

Some people have pointed out that Cuddy stopped House from jumping the shark, which could be allusion to a relationship between the two to try and keep the show from...you know...jumping the shark.

That cat was cute and enchanting- mucho screen presence for an animal actor!

That cat was cute and enchanting- mucho screen presence for an animal actor!
I don't know if I'd give the cat that much credit as an actor. Reading its body language, it was clear to me that the cat despised House. I wonder how many times Laurie was bit or swatted while they were shooting the episode. . .

"The cat's into/outta the bag" was yet another example of brilliance.

I doubt the cat hated House that much, despite the bag-stuffing instances. He was likely far more pissed at having to work with furball-inducing hacks*; Kumar, Dr. Plastic and the Cameron clone.

*Pun intented.

Also when Kutner set up House's chair... cat pee? what cat pee? LOL

I thought this week's episode showed House at his snarky, cynical best. I lost track of the times a one liner or a situation made me laugh out loud.

Jumping the shark was GREAT! :)

Hey all - I went to Advanced - and can't find out how - does anyone know how to?

Be aware that this is misspelled:

whatever you feel is spoileristic

replace "stoiler" with "spoiler"

Hey All - Saw something on Comcast dot Net entertainment section over the weekend - if I actually had a brain (maybe a case for the good dr House - I would have posted the link then. So, I go back - can't find it. Here's what I remember



1) Someone on the team is going to die
2) It's not who we would suspect
3) It's going to be sudden
4) Everyone else will be back next year.


If I could have found the link - I would have posted it, or the rest of the details. Sorry!

Hey All - Saw something on Comcast dot Net entertainment section over the weekend - if I actually had a brain (maybe a case for the good dr House - I would have posted the link then. So, I go back - can't find it. Here's what I remember



1) Someone on the team is going to die
2) It's not who we would suspect
3) It's going to be sudden
4) Everyone else will be back next year.


If I could have found the link - I would have posted it, or the rest of the details. Sorry!
Alright, this is going to drive me crazy. I'll see if I can find it.

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b105396_major_house_death_coming.html

http://www.eonline.com/uberblog/watch_with_kristin/b105396_major_house_death_coming.html

If it's Cuddy or Wilson, I'm not watching the show anymore.

Taub.

Guys - Hold off on posting - I sent Fred a PM seeing if we could start a spoiler thread.

OK - I'll set up the new thread

I've got it, it will be House!

We certainly wouldn't expect that…

After rewatching the Kitty episode, I think it's abundantly clear who is going to die. I think the producers are either trying to throw people off or really believe that they've been clever in hiding this.

If it isn't this person, they've wasted a lot of exposition and subtle hints to make it seem that way.

After rewatching the Kitty episode, I think it's abundantly clear who is going to die. I think the producers are either trying to throw people off or really believe that they've been clever in hiding this.

If it isn't this person, they've wasted a lot of exposition and subtle hints to make it seem that way.

Please stop responding to the spoiler thread in this thread.

Please stop responding to the spoiler thread in this thread.

I'm not responding to any spoiler thread. Nothing in this thread says anything about not posting spoilers and I doubt it's even that much of a spoiler knowing that one of the cast members are going to die.

I'm not responding to any spoiler thread. Nothing in this thread says anything about not posting spoilers and I doubt it's even that much of a spoiler knowing that one of the cast members are going to die.

Your comment should be tagged as a spoiler or in a different thread as noted in faceoff's post above.

Your comment should be tagged as a spoiler or in a different thread as noted in faceoff's post above.

Please provide a link to the House Spoiler thread.

Please provide a link to the House Spoiler thread.

I misspoke when I said thread, I meant to say spoiler post. The post I was referring to is http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=16120379#post16120379

Back to basics:

I just watched the pilot episode of House and it is interesting to see how everyone was working with their new character. House was younger and a bit thinner and Laurie was not as confident and smart ass as he is now. He looked uncomfortable in the role at times and his accent was a bit forced as now it is very natural.

Wilson was much younger looking and thin to the point of anorexic. Leonard was very comfortable in his role and played it much like he does today

Cuddy was also more of a chick then and seemed too young for her role at the time. She has matured into her role very well and looks the part today.

Forman looked like he does today and also had his part and character nailed. Epps is just one fine actor that is now wasted in his current role.

Chase was Chase and still is. Spencer seems more like decoration than motivation.

Cameron was very different with long black hair and dark rimmed glasses, most likely to give her credibility in her role,,,,and since that did not work we have her more sexy today.

The episode was very good featuring the frowning detective from The Mentalist (Robin Tunney) in several horrible and deadly situations.

The plot is the same today as it was then,,,someone comes in, house is forced or tricked to check them out and we are off for a series of guess the bug before the hour is up..Sort of like my mechanic replacing several things to find the problem..Then the strange look on Gregs face 10 minutes before the end signaling his epiphany and cure.

This isn't a spoiler, as it is well known that tonight's premise is that it is being shown from the perspective of the patient.

So, before yelling at the screen: "Look, his eyes are moving, he's not gonners!!!" keep in mind that if they kept the camera focused at one location, the episode would get pretty boring. So yes, it looks like his eyes are moving, but they really aren't.

IGNORE IT.

Interesting tunnel vision effect though.

Enjoy.

Best ep of the season....Mos Def rules...

This isn't a spoiler, as it is well known that tonight's premise is that it is being shown from the perspective of the patient.

So, before yelling at the screen: "Look, his eyes are moving, he's not gonners!!!" keep in mind that if they kept the camera focused at one location, the episode would get pretty boring. So yes, it looks like his eyes are moving, but they really aren't.

IGNORE IT.

Interesting tunnel vision effect though.

Enjoy.

Huh? His eyes were moving the whole episode until they weren't, which is when they took the camera back to third person.

Best ep of the season....Mos Def rules...


Agreed, best of the season---so far.

Mos Def was fine, almost made me forget that wasted hour last Friday with him rambling incoherently on Bill Maher

Excellent episode.

I enjoyed the fact that it was more concentrated on the patient and diagnosis (like the old days) than on the personal lives of the doctors.

....and we got the setup for something that's coming up.

At the very end, House entered the elevator and the first person view of him looking out was blurred like the patient that was cured.

Then House had visited somebody that during the episode he admitted to being a shrink, which was probably a misdirect.

Also, House had that motorcycle accident.

Something's up.

Going from the preview at the end of the show:


The only person they didn't show was Chase. Taub was crying, House was stunned as was Wilson, Cuddy shut her door, Cameron was talking to House in the cafeteria crying and at the end, Kutner ran in to the team room in a panic, Foreman and Thirteen were holding hands.

It's Chase.

All season, they've been dropping hints at House having physical/mental/pain problems. I doubt very much that he's the one leaving the show. :p

Great episode, A+ for the story, and A+ for the humor.

"Hot, dark and darker"

"Would you tell that story to someone who could walk away?"

So many great one liner's tonight. :D:D

I guess this was a "love it or hate it" episode. I, and the people I watched with, felt that this was the worst House episode ever.

Huh? His eyes were moving the whole episode until they weren't, which is when they took the camera back to third person.

His eyelids were moving, not his eyes.

His eyelids were moving, not his eyes.

His eyes were moving as well until they did the brain tap. They mentioned this at the beginning of the episode when his eyes were following Dr. Idiot around.

I guess I am in the minority. I didn't care for the way it was filmed. However, the actor with the condition had some of the funniest one-liners I have heard in awhile. Excellent humor this episode.

Great episode, A+ for the story, and A+ for the humor.

"Hot, dark and darker"

"Would you tell that story to someone who could walk away?"

So many great one liner's tonight. :D:D

Same here. I thought it was pretty good.

It was refreshing to get the patient's view.

How can I see this episode? Will it be on Hulu or something?

I didn't care for the episode either. I like that the writers tried something different, but I was mostly bored and I don't like it when House isn't the one solving the case.

Best Ep of the season, loved it

How can I see this episode? Will it be on Hulu or something?

A week from Friday, it will be on USA at 11pm

Great episode, A+ for the story, and A+ for the humor.

"Hot, dark and darker"

"Would you tell that story to someone who could walk away?"

So many great one liner's tonight. :D:D

Agreed. His running commentary was exceptional.

Although my wife generally liked the episode, she wasn't too keen on the point of view of the patient technique. Personally, I give them credit for trying new (well, not really new--the "eye of the camera" POV is an old technique) ways of presenting the stories.

A week from Friday, it will be on USA at 11pm

Thanks.

I will add my vote to the many others already cast here, this week's episode was the best of the season, by far. Every time I start to think that House has lost a step the writers come up with an episode as moving, funny, and wildly imaginative as last night's was.

Mos Def is a great rapper, and actor. Yes!

Exellent episode IMO. Writers hit it out of the park.

....and no epiphany!!!

Solid episode.. As for next week my daughter says House will be the one who dies and next season the show will be called "Wilson".;)

Best episode of the season and great guest star work by Mos Def. Redeemed himself from his rambling on Bill Mahr the week prior. Camera work was a bit rough on the viewing, but served it's purpose for the POV theme.

Do not believe for one second there will be no House in the House next season.

Two items:

1. Great episode, but with a local affiliate scew up. Several minutes of the show, towards the end, dropped down to SD. It was fixed before the end however.

2. The preview/promo for the next episode was not very revealing. Some of those shots could have been from any recent episode. Taub crying was interesting, but the other snippets don't lead me to believe anything. It could be anyone other than House. I don't think it's Chase, because I don't believe Taub would be that emotional over the death of one of the old team members.

The only thing I didn't like about is the sudden change in zoom of the patient's perspective, like he was a human camera and he could zoom at will...

Man I can't wait for next episode..

Eh.............

That was certainly unexpected. Although, judging by the promos for the next few weeks...Chase may have wished he left the show. :D

It's clever to have the event be completely unexpected because sometimes it truly is that way. However, for viewers of a show where everything has a rational explanation, it is frustrating.

Wow, I kept expecting House to wake up at anytime.

Really?! They had Aday play someone named "Eddie (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010151/)"?

that was certainly unexpected...

I just don't buy that he would just kill himself like that out of the blue.

I just want to know why Kutner? He was easily my wife's and my favorite 'newbie.' I'd much rather see the whiny Taub removed from the show...

The facebook page for Dr. Lawrence Kutner is touching.

I just don't buy that he would just kill himself like that out of the blue.

I liked it better when House thought it was a murder.

It just seemed like an odd choice for him to do that. There has to be more to the story.

Sham-WOW!...talk about taking an uncomfortable subject by the balls! :eek:

He's dead. Who cares. Next!:rolleyes:

I thought it was a bit odd they spent so much time dealing with someone's death they wrote out of the show (Amber), and then just killing someone off who was a part of the cast for 2 years. I have to wonder if the actor decided he wanted to leave and they had to write him out of the show on short notice?

Well, I was pretty sad for what is essentially a fictional character, so I gather it was certainly an appropriate dwelling upon the established connection. I don't think this was so much about Kutner, though, rather a bold commentary on the taboo issues of suicide. I observed a lot of good, insightful ideas presented beyond just the scratch-the-surface caliber themes for this type of thing ("he's a coward", "how could he do that to the people who knew him", "everybody hurts", etc).

Interesting how the writers handled it. No big drama, just didn't show up for work and was found dead in his apartment.

That's more true to life than most the plots you see on TV.

I think it bares mentioning, that it is eerily authentic. These kinds of things usually don't come up with much fanfare, outside of when you hear somebody flips out in the news and goes on a rampage.

I liked it better when House thought it was a murder.

It just seemed like an odd choice for him to do that. There has to be more to the story.

Given what we've been told about his story/life, it's conceivable that once the killer of his parents had died he had nothing left to live for. He may have been waiting until the killer was freed from prison so he could kill the killer and avenge his parents, they said that the killer was up for parole very soon.

Having your parents, or anyone you love, murdered right in front of you has to take it's toll, Kutner may have had something "broken" inside of him ever since, that could only be "fixed" by killing the person that "broke" him.

Interesting!...makes a lot of sense.

Interesting!...makes a lot of sense.

Well, given the "facts" as we know them, it's the only thing that made any sense to me. This is assuming of course that there has to be a reason, which I guess is not always true, but even in those cases how can we really know?

A classic construction of tragedy, no?

Given what we've been told about his story/life, it's conceivable that once the killer of his parents had died he had nothing left to live for. He may have been waiting until the killer was freed from prison so he could kill the killer and avenge his parents, they said that the killer was up for parole very soon.

Having your parents, or anyone you love, murdered right in front of you has to take it's toll, Kutner may have had something "broken" inside of him ever since, that could only be "fixed" by killing the person that "broke" him.Or it could be he was just a long time sufferer of depression that he cared not to share with his colleagues. House found that picture of Kutner looking morose and depressed under the "happy pictures" of him with his "Indian" and "caucasian" parents. Millions of people are (unfortunately) undiagnosed with depression and have to live with it.

That was a real well done moment when House finds that one picture. It sums up the whole episode in one little symbol.

The notion of preferring not to share such feelings with your colleagues is very complex, as well. Sometimes it is not a matter of wanting to share it or not. Sometimes sharing it only incurs the worst prejudices that people hold against the "mentally ill". That's the irony of it all- the thing you need most is to be able to connect with the world, but that very thing only results in the world rejecting you even more forcefully (for not knowing any better of how to handle the situation). People think you are ill, hence you may be dangerous. So they stay away. They tell others to stay away. People stay away because you are such a downer, and they have no earthly idea how to turn that around (not equipped to do so), so they stay away out of being uncomfortable. Maybe they don't feel close enough to you to or invested in you to bother being involved in something messy (the fairweather friend). The worst case of all, if you appear too "ill", people tend to want to incarcerate you. What better hell is that? Now you've lost all of your freedoms, in addition to just the freedom to share or not to share. If you didn't want to kill yourself before, you definitely will if your freedoms have been relinquished. The real burn is that now you cannot even do that now because you are strapped in a jacket in a padded room or medicated out of your gourd. So you can imagine what a fine line it is between seeking help and getting "helped".

With a stacked deck like that, should it be a surprise that the strategy favors to conceal, rather than share? If you are reasonably certain that your colleagues do not have the faculty to relate, deal, or cure, that pretty much minimizes the value of "sharing", eh? It's just another can'o'worms you just assume not open.

Now, the next time you hear somebody being interviewed about somebody that went out in a blaze of glory and they say, "He was quiet, kept to himself, I had no idea he was upset inside...", I hope you take an extra measure of creepiness out of that. It happened like that for very concerted reasons, rather than it being enigmatic in any way. In a perverse sense, it is much like a game of "don't ask, don't tell". At the very least, that person that says "they never even knew" might just be saving their A in that they most certainly knew and were not oblivious to the signs being hammered over their head, but just declined to get involved in something that could be "messy" with an aquaintance of which they don't necessarily care "that" much about in the first place.

They are sure playing his death up online. They have the video on fox.com/kutner and then a facebook page dedicated to him. I find that kind of odd since News Corp owns both fox and myspace.

I also hate it when they kill of main characters in a comedy. I like to watch TV for three reasons. To laugh, find out what's going on in the world, and to see bad guys shot. There is enough sadness in the real world that we don't need it in TV.

I think for some reason he wanted off the show. Maybe he's making a sequel to that Kumar movie. He should of just quit and been done with it. I think more cast members have died from the last episode of last season to now then patients have died for the last couple of seasons.

Alright, but what was the significance of House being 'Locked In' at the end of last week's episode now? What was the significance of that weird camera movement they used as he walked off the elevator back at the hospital?

I feel like there is something much larger going on in the show.

I'm guessing that in the last episode of the season House will become the patient and his team will have to cure him. They will probably want to end the season with something like that.

It looks like Kal Penn (Kutner) is teaching a couple classes this spring at the University of Pennsylvania.

Something else that was hinted at during the previews at the end is coming true. I don't want to get into spoilers again because of the grief I caught last time but it's kinda big.

I'm guessing that in the last episode of the season House will become the patient and his team will have to cure him. They will probably want to end the season with something like that.

....and the irony is that the team could have saved House if Kutner had still been alive.

....and the irony is that the team could have saved House if Kutner had still been alive.

Because Kutner has been the only competent doctor on the show for the last year and half. I think all Foreman is on the show anymore for is to make angry faces.

...and to receive teh sweet interracial luv! :p

My guess is Kutner probably had some bad investments and/or was in danger of foreclosure. He was wiped out by the economy and may still have had huge debts from medical school.

I'm amazed House didn't start going through Kutner's computer for clues.

My guess is Kutner probably had some bad investments and/or was in danger of foreclosure. He was wiped out by the economy and may still have had huge debts from medical school.

...snip....

That sounds like the plastic surgeon who's worried about loosing his wife.

That sounds like the plastic surgeon who's worried about loosing his wife.

He would have made more sense, given what they've shown of his personal and professional life. Even Foreman---he seems depressed and/or angry most of the time.

Kutner still seems too much "out of the blue".

My brother in law committed suicide several years ago and it seemingly was a spur of the moment thing. However, when we pieced together elements of his life, we could see, though not necessarily understand, the "clues".

I guess the only explanation based on what has been revealed of the character is what has been posted earlier, that he was extremely good at hiding his inner demons.

Kutner's death was no surprise to me (since I'd read the spoilers) but I'm glad to see him go. Its interesting that we got a lot of 13's personal story and quite a bit of Taub's, but almost none of Kutner's. I wonder is we will get his backstory post mortem?

Overall the episode was ok, but felt a little like a jump the shark moment.

The previews sure made this sound like it was going to be the one episode not to miss that everyone talks about. I found it rather boring and out of place. To suddenly have him dead made no sense. There was no build up not clues that he was depressed. He wasn't even in the episode, they only showed his feet. It felt more like he left the show and this was all they had to do. I found myself bored more then caring.

If you want to blame someone for Kutner ... blame Obama

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/07/kal-penn-leaving-house-fo_n_183904.html

anyone else notice that the episode was unusally dark? I mean literally. just about every scene was dark. i'm guessing it was to "enhance" the dark theme.
it almost reminded me of seven. either that or it's time to visit the eye doctor.

This is not difficult to figure out. House found out that Kutner peed on his chair, went to Kutner's apartment, shot him and staged it as a suicide.

Really?! They had Aday play someone named "Eddie (http://www.imdb.com/character/ch0010151/)"?


"I would do anything for love, but I won't do that..."...or wait, yes I would.

Good background info on how and why kal left from David Shore and Katie Jacobs interview as well as kal:

http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/04/house-exclusive.html

From the interview:

We don't really know why he did it, unless it's resolved in the episodes after [I left], which, of course, I'm not privy to anymore. At least in [last night's] episode, we don't really know why he did it. There's no note. There's no explanation. And as a testament to David and Katie, that's a huge risk. 'Cause it is going to make people upset, and it is going to piss off some of the audience. And, ultimately, in my opinion, that's what art really is -- when you can conjure up those kinds of emotions. And it's rare nowadays to be able to do that on network television, but they managed to.

Also, I'm thinking there are spoilers in the interview...major spoilers...I stopped reading it after Kal's interview...

Guess I'll be looking for Kal out in DC...would be pretty cool to meet him

anyone else notice that the episode was unusally dark? I mean literally. just about every scene was dark. i'm guessing it was to "enhance" the dark theme.
it almost reminded me of seven. either that or it's time to visit the eye doctor.

Yes, did notice, I didn't read any of the spoilers, didn't really catch any previews, so the whole thing was a surprise to me. I thought it might be some kind of dream and the dark lighting was to sort of signify it, I guess it was done for another reason.

So what now? Another House gameshow with new interns! :D

anyone else notice that the episode was unusally dark? I mean literally. just about every scene was dark. i'm guessing it was to "enhance" the dark theme.
it almost reminded me of seven. either that or it's time to visit the eye doctor.
I'm pretty sure was done intentionally. Immediately after we find out about Kutner's death, the scenes are a lot cooler (with the reds quite muted). Laurie looked like a corpse when we returned from the first commercial break.

There was also tons of back lighting, with the actors' faces in shadow.

Gee. You guys are going to make me recover it off the Tivo and watch it again. :)

Guess its better than watching the stock market.

So what now? Another House gameshow with new interns! :D

Nope. House, Cuddy, and Cameron threesome.

Nope. House, Cuddy, and Cameron threesome.

Don't forget 13, she swings both ways, would be a foursome..

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Interesting how the writers handled it. No big drama, just didn't show up for work and was found dead in his apartment.

That's more true to life than most the plots you see on TV.

Exactly.

I don't understand all the people here who are saying that none of this makes any sense. It is more realistic than the vast majority of things that happen on this show!

Don't forget 13, she swings both ways, would be a foursome..

Well, that would make it sort of a fivesome, no? :)

Well, that would make it sort of a fivesome, no? :)


Whatever - Look for the episode entitled "Is there a House in the Doctor?" LOL

Whatever - Look for the episode entitled "Is there a House in the Doctor?" LOL

Or "The Doctors Come For a House Call"

Careful, now! <G>