I thought it was a very mediocre episode. House seemingly lost interest and basically dropped off the dictator's case. I suppose he knew what was going on with the team and wanted to give them space to work out their feelings. But would he really let them kill a patient? I guess we'll find out next week.

I also thought the treatment for the vet was silly. If it was that effective someone would have tried it in the past 36 years. This wasn't a medical mystery that only House could solve.

A totally un-necessarily heavy-handed episode after three great setup episodes. We didn't need to jump directly back into the implausible scenarios (foreign dictator, moral crisis for the team) that plague House. We needed a very simple setup to allow House to get interact with the team. In fact, replace the Dictator's scenes with anything else with less political and contemporary themes, and the show would have been ten times better. However, James Earl Jones was great, as usual. This episode just felt like it belonged more in the middle of the season, or at the very least, once House got his feet wet.

House's interaction with Wilson was, as always, great...

I sort of understand the reason for the plot twist in which Chase committed a fraud to make sure that the tyrannical African dictator died. With it the writers setup an investigation into the treatment of the dictator that could land Chase in jail. Nevertheless:

I hated it. The duty of every physician is to "First of all, do no harm" but Chase ignored his sworn duty in pursuit of the ephemeral goal of (maybe) saving other lives if the dictator died. Silly, silly stuff! As much as I loved the first two episodes of this season's House, I thought the show fell flat on its face last night. What an utter waste of the always superb James Earl Jones!:)

EDIT: Typo corrected

I hated it. The duty of every physician is to "First of all, do no harm" but Chase ignored his sworn duty in pursuit of the ephemeral goal of (maybe) saving other lives if the dictator died. Silly, silly stuff! As much as I loved the first two episodes of this season's House, I thought the show fell flat on its face last night. What an utter wast of the always superb James Earl Jones!:)

That's kind of the point, we don't live in a perfect world, and not every physician follows that sworn duty blindly. House sure as hell doesn't.

That's kind of the point, we don't live in a perfect world, and not every physician follows that sworn duty blindly. House sure as hell doesn't.
Oh, to the contrary, despite House's willingness to break rules, he has NEVER done anything to intentionally harm a patient. That's something no decent physician would ever do. Thus, the silliness with Chase's fraudulent blood test, which led to his patient's death, simply didn't work for me. Based on today's posts, it didn't work for a lot of others either. Now, if Chase gets the punishment he deserves and goes to jail after losing his medical license, I might forgive the writers.:) You and I both know that's not happening, however.

Interesting remarks. After 3 years of "cases" on patients with little more than the sniffles or a hangnail and "trauma," such as 13 not knowing what shade of eyeliner Foreman or the cute nurse down the hall might like, I at least feel as though the show was FINALLY moving forward rather than frantically attempting to tread water, dying a slow and painful death with the weight of the new cast pulling it down.

Was it a bit unrealistic? Did I have to suspend belief for a few moments here and there? Absolutely. However, I've never watched House to see a true-to-life medical documentary and I don't think I can handle another second of the boring details of Taub's marital money issues. I watch to see scenes like those we witnessed last night with House miming at the table and the interactions with Wilson. I count my blessings. At least Kumar didn't rise up from out of his grave and offer up his standard, trite little epiphany! :)

Good show. Whatyawanna bet Chase is covering for a certain someone?

I thought for a moment that House was going all Dexter on us. I think they had fun shooting that scene.

Well, I enjoyed the episode a lot. I'm not sure why, but I could see Chase struggling with having a chance to save hundreds of thousands of innocents and making the decision to do what he did. I wonder if it will have a part in......Cameron's exit from the show?(Though "first, do no harm" is a principle that they're taught, it's not a part of any oath, so it's not a "sworn duty". As I understand it, relatively few US schools administer any oath these days--a close friend who's a physician--who didn't take any oath--thought that it's mostly done at Catholic universities).

I also like the progression of post-hospitalization/detox House. Though a certain core bitterness has been lifted from the character (an improvement), they've managed to keep him much the same slightly amoral jerk that we've all come to know and love. Who else would contrive to avoid prosecution by comitting further, more serious crimes against the person he offended :D?

I find the "Fore-teen" relationship believable enough. Personality-wise, neither of them is any prize, and they probably work out together as well as they might with just about anyone else.

Of all the things that happened in last night's show, the highlight for me was the House pantomime routine. It reminded me of the wickedly funny side of him that is evident in many of his pre-House gigs.

I thought it was an excellent episode with the characters showing more emotions, and having the old gang back together.

House letting his pupil grow more on his own. It's good that House is opening up more to people while remaining himself.

Guess the dictator shouldn't have made that little speech to Chase about taking a position. ...big oops.

Was it a bit unrealistic? Did I have to suspend belief for a few moments here and there? Absolutely.
Ya think?:)

Well, I enjoyed the episode a lot. I'm not sure why, but I could see Chase struggling with having a chance to save hundreds of thousands of innocents and making the decision to do what he did. I wonder if it will have a part in......Cameron's exit from the show?(Though "first, do no harm" is a principle that they're taught, it's not a part of any oath, so it's not a "sworn duty". As I understand it, relatively few US schools administer any oath these days--a close friend who's a physician--who didn't take any oath--thought that it's mostly done at Catholic universities).
I suggest that every medical licensure board in the country would quickly -- and rightly -- revoke the credentials of any doctor who falsified his patient's test results in order to kill him. Not only would it be malpractice, it would be a felony. To make all of this look even dumber, the unfortunate fact is that in any repressive totalitarian regime, the successor to the current monster may very well turn out to be as monstrous as his predecessor. This makes Chase look like a soft headed doofus, on top of being a murderer. I have seen a lot of preposterous plots in TV shows, of course, but this one may take the cake.

To get back to the central theme of this season, I did enjoy House's continued exploration of himself. Even the less than believable scene involving the Dexter-like subduing of the disabled Canadian Vietnam veteran was effective because it showed that House is still one hell of a doctor -- even if he is still a little nuts.:)

I also thought the treatment for the vet was silly. If it was that effective someone would have tried it in the past 36 years. This wasn't a medical mystery that only House could solve.

Yes, but maybe it was the intensity of the moment created by Dr. House that made the treatment effective. The Vet was freaking out just like he probably did in Vietnam.

Didn't like it much at all. Foreman is still sleepwalking. Chase looks dead. The two women were barely distinguishable from each other. Thankfully Big Nose was absent. House and Jones, however, were supberb.

I presume the paper that Foreman burned at the end was the log showing that Chase was in the morgue at a time he could have taken blood from the body of the infected woman. If so, he is an accessory to what ever crime Chase committed. I can't see anything happening but all involved being at least fired and perhaps imprisoned. If not, then the writers are taking an easy way out. I would not want any of these characters treating me if I were sick.

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I suggest that every medical licensure board in the country would quickly -- and rightly -- revoke the credentials of any doctor who falsified his patient's test results in order to kill him. Not only would it be malpractice, it would be a felony.That's blatantly obvious--what is your point? Did I seem to suggest that it was an ethical or legal act? He went through elaborate means to falsify test results of a patient in a successful attempt to kill the patient. If it comes out, it will get him arrested and indicted for murder long before any medical review board could convene to revoke his license.
To make all of this look even dumber, the unfortunate fact is that in any repressive totalitarian regime, the successor to the current monster may very well turn out to be as monstrous as his predecessor. This makes Chase look like a soft headed doofus, on top of being a murderer. I have seen a lot of preposterous plots in TV shows, of course, but this one may take the cake.Are you suggesting that a character doing something shortsighted and misguided makes the plot preposterous? We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

I think the power of the theme to this episode comes from trying to imagine what sort of thing does it take to make one act with extreme conviction to do something that is so way out of bounds on just about every level, at extreme risk to everything they have worked for their entire life (integrity, career, relational ties), and do so in an utterly calm and reasoned manner.

It's an ultimate battle between personal morals/values vs. societal expectations and common "rules". Chase is either a great hero or a fool, depending on your perspective. It's hard to tell once you look upon it with an open mind in the context of what level and what scale do your obligations lie as a human of the earth. It's easy to see the wrongness of his action, yet at the same time, you can't outright condemn him given the additional context (of a totalitarian ruler in a vulnerable state). This is acknowledged with Foreman's action at the very end of the show.

Don't challenge a Doctor's Manhood when he/she has your life in his hands!

lol

You folks do remember that we're watching House, right? :confused:

It's not as though this is the first time we've seen "reality" stretched. It could be and has been much, much, much worse...

Tritter! :(

I had very mixed feeling about this last episode. There were certainly some very good parts and even character development with House and his "recovery".

But there was plenty not to like as well, most of which has been mentioned by others. I definitely have to :rolleyes: when it comes to the idea that Chase murdered the dictator/patient....even if it turns out to be Cameron that did it. The show loses credibility when it does crap like that.

House was great. His relationship with Wilson is still the best part of the show, without question.

I definitely have to :rolleyes: when it comes to the idea that Chase murdered the dictator/patient....even if it turns out to be Cameron that did it. The show loses credibility when it does crap like that.

Yep... because of all the times House's job was threatened by his behavior and drug addiction... Chase (perhaps Cameron) and Foreman should be gone period if ever House was in jeopardy.

You can reach and "excuse" some of House's behavior as anti-social... but Chase (or Cameron) and Foreman's choices this week were downright irresponsible and criminal... and anyone who knew they did that would absolutely not trust them... whereas House, you might hate but you'd want him to be your Doctor if you were in dire straits.

I think if they amped up the villain-ness of the patient to some higher threshold (or a more close-to-home style of evil to your own world), all of you would more willingly come in-line (at some point) in the idea that Chase's action was not so reprehensible when weighed against the "greater good". ;) (How's that Vulcan proverb go, again?)

The totalitarian ruler character was merely a proxy for this exercise. Could have been anything, but that was the writers saw fit to conveniently put into this episode. The real point they are trying to demonstrate has to do with the mechanics of conviction to your ideals. Do you just wear them on your arm and then roll over ultimately when the stakes get too high (like Cameron), or do you follow it to its fatal conclusion after much heavy contemplation (like Chase)? How far do you go? What is the line between being practical vs. retaining your integrity? At what point is it "acceptable" to sell-off (or momentarily stow-away) your beliefs/ideals/values in order to avoid traversing a path that is ultimately WAY too costly? Does the trade-off weigh-in if your taking a less costly path ends up being extremely costly for a large group of other people (that you possibly may not even know)?

I'm sure the autopsy will show he didn't have the disease he was diagnosed from the blood test, they will surely investigate why the blood test was wrong, find out that a woman in the morgue had that disease, they will pursue this.

Could we see Cameron taking the blame and landing her in jail? that's one way to write her out of the show? or they simply forget about this incident? (don't think so)..

....and then Cameron and 13 have a hot jail house make out session....

I think if they amped up the villain-ness of the patient to some higher threshold (or a more close-to-home style of evil to your own world), all of you would more willingly come in-line (at some point) in the idea that Chase's action was not so reprehensible when weighed against the "greater good". ;) (How's that Vulcan proverb go, again?)

The totalitarian ruler character was merely a proxy for this exercise. Could have been anything, but that was the writers saw fit to conveniently put into this episode. The real point they are trying to demonstrate has to do with the mechanics of conviction to your ideals. Do you just wear them on your arm and then roll over ultimately when the stakes get too high (like Cameron), or do you follow it to its fatal conclusion after much heavy contemplation (like Chase)? How far do you go? What is the line between being practical vs. retaining your integrity? At what point is it "acceptable" to sell-off (or momentarily stow-away) your beliefs/ideals/values in order to avoid traversing a path that is ultimately WAY too costly? Does the trade-off weigh-in if your taking a less costly path ends up being extremely costly for a large group of other people (that you possibly may not even know)?

Very, very well stated!

Instead of "evil dictator," insert; serial child molester, chronic rapist, or something else. Eventually, you will hit a subject that strikes a nerve with anyone. Those who think that what happened on the show either; wouldn't, shouldn't, or can't occur in real life might want to consider:

http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-187981735.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20_July_plot

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=news/local/los_angeles&id=7012466

http://news.aol.com/article/abortion-doctor-killed/505406

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/us/27transplant.html?_r=1&th&emc=th

There are plenty of examples of "killing for cause." Last episode's events were in no way unbelievable to me. Personally, I'm just glad that they didn't take the namby pamby way out by having the doctors all do their best to save a patient they didn't like and then see said patient arrested in the closing minutes...yay, happy ending! We've seen enough of that. :(



Edit: Also, it should be added that this IS House, after all. Any of the following events could have taken place:

A) Chase signed in, took the blood, killed the dictator.

B) Cameron forged Chase's name, took/changed the blood.

C) Foreman foresaw what might happen and changed the blood in advance, thus it was the right blood all along.

D) House foresaw and changed the blood in the lab in advance.

E) Nobody switched any blood, but thought about it.

F) Infected blood was taken/switched by someone, but never used by anyone.

G) Any combination of the above.



* Wishful thinking: What didn't happen, (but would be great) is if 13 and Taub killed the dictator and his general comes back and kills them off. ;)

I'm sure the autopsy reports from the Dictator's doctors will show there was foul play and they will investigate deeper..

I'm sure the autopsy reports from the Dictator's doctors will show there was foul play and they will investigate deeper..

At least the silver lining is that Foreman was in charge, not House.

And I just remembered, there was another episode where the doctors were extremely unethical. It was the episode when Kumar was charging people on the internet for medical advice, and using House's name. When other members of the staff found out about it, they extorted him. While not quite up there with murder, but if the medical board ever found out, several would have lost their licenses.

The problem here is... conviction to follow your beliefs is NOT what happened.

If you are a doctor with high morals and do not want to treat a vicious dictator whom you believe will kill innocents once treated and released... then you take yourself off the case and refuse to treat him. It's really that simple.

You can't, especially as a doctor, choose to kill him OR choose a course of treatment (or non-treatment) that you know will kill him. That's not consistent with your convictions.

IF, however, you are a soldier... *that* would be consistent... capturing a dictator and executing him could be in line with your beliefs and convictions to protect the innocent. But a doctor? No.

Once you choose to kill or passively kill, you are no longer acting as a doctor... and once you do that (establish that you will under some circumstances intentionally, and not accidentally, kill your patient)... no patient could ever trust again because you might disagree with their lifestyle in some way that lets you pull that trigger again.

That's the problem with this storyline... IF they don't take an out that reveals what we thought happened didn't actually happen (i.e. Chase is covering for Cameron because he thinks she did it... meanwhile Cameron didn't actually do it but feels guilty because he died and she wished it so)... then people have to lose their jobs and go on trial. Otherwise the show loses the semblence of reality/morality that it had.

I'm sure the autopsy reports from the Dictator's doctors will show there was foul play and they will investigate deeper..

Not necessarily. As stated a couple times in the episode a positive test is not a definitive indication of the disease, but only an indicator of a possible diagnosis. If they rerun the test and it is negative then there still is no clear indication of anything unusual since any test has false negatives and false positives.

The only questions that might come up if somehow they find the original blood/serum sample (which is likely long discarded) and find out it came from another patient OR if Foreman's nest to last diagnosis of Blastomycosis turns out to be the cause of death and the dictator was on the correct treatment. In that case, the decision to switch to steroids must be defended without revealing that it was based on potentially faked test.

The problem here is... conviction to follow your beliefs is NOT what happened.

If you are a doctor with high morals and do not want to treat a vicious dictator whom you believe will kill innocents once treated and released... then you take yourself off the case and refuse to treat him. It's really that simple.

You can't, especially as a doctor, choose to kill him OR choose a course of treatment (or non-treatment) that you know will kill him. That's not consistent with your convictions.

I think that is "simply" a difference between "convictions as a human of the human race" vs. "professional obligations for the role of being a doctor". In an ideal world, these domains would always be compatible, but in a real world, they may not be, and may be so in differing shades of gray. Some may feel that the latter is utterly immutable, and that is certainly a valid stance. It is also possible that the latter is simply just another "hat" you wear in the big scheme of things. I think that is the perk of this being posed in a fictional show, in that we can actually explore this "what if" as it is drenched in the shades of moral gray. In real life, I agree that no sane doctor would tread this path (save for a few exceptions). It's just too costly a proposition to even contemplate. Even if a doctor did contemplate such a measure, it is a high bar before it could be remotely justifiable in the public's eyes (a jury, for example). The nearly infinite probability for being found guilty in such a venture is probably a pretty good deterrent, imo.

As for the ramifications of trusting your doctor, I'm not too worried about it. I think the bar is set pretty high (i.e, you have to be one pretty evil character) before you need to worry about a doctor pondering a decision like this. A lot of this is kept entirely obscured in practice by a "don't ask, don't tell" style of relationship, anyway. It is only in this fictional show where the premise is set for a nemesis character that is overtly identifiable as such.

It's a slippery slope, though... Once you justify killing one person, for any reason, it's easier to do it again. So this time it's a dictator who probably killed already and likely was going to kill some more... next time it will be a guy who seems to share the same ideals as that dictator, but hasn't killed anyone yet... and next time it will just be a guy who has differing political views to you.

Like I said... this is the whole reason why doctors (and lawyers for that matter) ask to be reassigned or let off from some cases. When your personal feelings cloud your professional actions, then you need to take a step back and let someone objective handle it.

I'd be 100% in support of a doctor who hated the dictator and his views who refused to treat the patient and walked away to let other doctors handle it. But a doctor who says he is there to help, then doesn't OR worse actively makes the patient worse? It's hard to ever trust that doctor again.

Counter that to House... who is contrary and seems "out of control" but always is after solving the case. You'd question his actions, but not his motives.. and he doesn't let his personal feelings stop him from solving the puzzle. He can always hate you later :)

Of course this is fictional TV... but in the House world, they have set it up to mostly be the real world in terms of rules... so they kinda have to stay mostly within that to keep the show believable. They can't, for example, suddenly say House is a mutant with a power to see disease in people... or give Cameron a "magic touch" to heal people... so, while they can stretch reality for story sake... they can't go nuts because people will balk if it doesn't fit the rules of the world they've spent 5 seasons establishing.

On the lighter side of things... I never caught the dictator's son's name. Would have been a nice inside joke if they made his name be "Luke" :)

I think the "slippery slope" reaches an obstacle pretty quickly, as it requires that you can actually get away with it, in the first place (let alone multiple times). ;) That pretty much keeps all doctors in check, even if a few do have some radicalist ideas. You better run it by the book, if you know what's good for you (and your hard fought professional career). Hell, a doctor can still come under fire even in the course of doing everything above board, right?

Chase hasn't even gotten to the point where he has to face public scrutiny, and he is already in deep personal anguish/anxiety over his actions. There is certainly no personal reward for going down this path, even if your deepest ideals suggest you should.

Is there a huge moral difference in what Chase did which basically allowed a problem the Dictator came in with to run its natural course (with the side benefit of maybe saving a Million+ Human lives) vs what House did with John Larroquette or Joel Grey in past seasons allowing a single person to either commit suicide (JL) with his blessings to save a single person or to actively participate in hastening Death (Joel Grey) with no additional benefit other than possibly the person who wished to die.

The problem here is... conviction to follow your beliefs is NOT what happened.

If you are a doctor with high morals and do not want to treat a vicious dictator whom you believe will kill innocents once treated and released... then you take yourself off the case and refuse to treat him. It's really that simple.

You can't, especially as a doctor, choose to kill him OR choose a course of treatment (or non-treatment) that you know will kill him. That's not consistent with your convictions.

IF, however, you are a soldier... *that* would be consistent... capturing a dictator and executing him could be in line with your beliefs and convictions to protect the innocent. But a doctor? No.

Once you choose to kill or passively kill, you are no longer acting as a doctor... and once you do that (establish that you will under some circumstances intentionally, and not accidentally, kill your patient)... no patient could ever trust again because you might disagree with their lifestyle in some way that lets you pull that trigger again.

That's the problem with this storyline... IF they don't take an out that reveals what we thought happened didn't actually happen (i.e. Chase is covering for Cameron because he thinks she did it... meanwhile Cameron didn't actually do it but feels guilty because he died and she wished it so)... then people have to lose their jobs and go on trial. Otherwise the show loses the semblence of reality/morality that it had.

This is definitely consistent with my feelings on this issue.

I would also add that even if one felt that Chase's actions were justifiable, it still doesn't work in my opinion because I don't really think that it is consistent with Chase's personality. You don't have to go back any further than this same episode, where he was telling Cameron how unreasonable she was being for saying/thinking the things that she was about how the world would be better of if the patient was dead.

This is definitely consistent with my feelings on this issue.

I would also add that even if one felt that Chase's actions were justifiable, it still doesn't work in my opinion because I don't really think that it is consistent with Chase's personality. You don't have to go back any further than this same episode, where he was telling Cameron how unreasonable she was being for saying/thinking the things that she was about how the world would be better of if the patient was dead.

That I'll agree with, it doesn't fit Chase's personality.

But even in the real world, I'm sure there have been times doctors have done something similar to this, the probability favors it.

That I'll agree with, it doesn't fit Chase's personality.

But even in the real world, I'm sure there have been times doctors have done something similar to this, the probability favors it.

In the real world, I am sure that there are doctors who have done something much, much worse than this. ;)

It could turn out that the dictator's autopsy "shows" that there was no foul-play involved, whether there was or was not, for whatever reason. I'm sure that there are many people that would be glad that he's gone and wouldn't have issue with not making him into a martyr.

Doctors are people. They have emotions. They are fallible. If you disagree, take a look at The Last House on the Left (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0844708/). What should you do when coming face to face with the rapist of your daughter? "Hey buddy, let me patch ya right up!" :rolleyes:

House is exempt from this, or at least has been in the past, because it's always been about the mystery to him, not the patient.

The flip (flippant?) side of this too is... IF there truly were no consequences for foul play (if foul play happened) then they couldn't chastise House just for being an ass in the future... so even if we weren't looking for real-world consistency, you can't just give House a "get out of jail free" card for his behavior or he'll run the world :)

House does rule the world...or at least House's world. ANY other doctor, real or not, would have been canned/arrested/killed a long, long time ago for doing any number of things we've seen. Regular rules do not apply to him in any way, shape, or form.

It's a TV show.

Fantastic episode!

House wasn't kidding when he said it felt like three years ago. Almost seemed like Laurie himself was mocking what's been going on with the direction of the show, rather than his character making a quip. From the deep and engaging main plot, to the side story with the war vet, to House's non-verbal antics at the diagnostic table, to the guest appearance by a true star...everything (excluding, of course, 13's pathetic "acting" and mind-numbing involvment) about this episode was absolutely superb!

THIS is what House is all about. :)

Fantastic episode? Really? Better than last weeks? I know you have been campaigning for the old team to come back for the last couple of years and would look rather foolish if this was only a mediocre episode at best so I guess I see where you are coming ......

I am sure that if the 'new' team had been on this case you would have also said that the main plot was 'deep and engaging' .

I also hope that Chase googled the second in command of the Dictatorship just to make sure that the fellow he was putting into power wasn't going to be worse than Darth Vader.

Maybe you should consider that CHASE has changed or that has been always his nature.

There's a reason why he was selected to be with House's team in the first place.

Spread your legs and give me an H!

lol

Fantastic episode? Really? Better than last weeks? I know you have been campaigning for the old team to come back for the last couple of years and would look rather foolish if this was only a mediocre episode at best so I guess I see where you are coming ......

I am sure that if the 'new' team had been on this case you would have also said that the main plot was 'deep and engaging' .

Do I think that having someone on the team possibly killing a patient is more engaging than watching them play a silly video game? Absolutely. Do I find a morally challenging plot deeper than one that features a tiff between lovers? You bet. Do I laugh harder at House pantomiming countless expressions than hearing make a feeble big nose or lesbian joke? Yep.

Fact is, the new team couldn't have pulled this one off at all. Taub would have cowered away from the situation, too worried that it might cost him a few bucks and his wife might divorce him. 13 would have stood there with her typical dull, blank expression and made some vapid comment about being bisexual. Kumar would have made a lame joke and then had an epiphany that solved all the world's problems in the end.

Think what you want, but this episode finally recaptured the missing team chemistry and has at least sparked more conversation and/or debate in this thread than we've seen in years.*

*Excluding the episodes based on Amber, who should have been a regular and proved to be a far more interesting/talented/real character than all three of the new team combined could ever be in a million seasons.

I agree it made for a good episode, and certainly provoked conversation... but if it was the "old team chemistry" you want... then this particular storyline sets up for that to be blown away as somebody almost has to get arrested/fired over this... in which case that "old team" won't be around for long.

Think what you want, but this episode finally recaptured the missing team chemistry and has at least sparked more conversation and/or debate in this thread than we've seen in years.*

*Excluding the episodes based on Amber, who should have been a regular and proved to be a far more interesting/talented/real character than all three of the new team combined could ever be in a million seasons.
Despite our profound disagreement about the quality of the latest House episode, I enthusiastically agree that the debate it has spawned here has been great fun. I also agree that the episodes with the highly controversial Amber (aka CTB) were uniformly terrific. The last couple of episodes of Season 4, involving Amber's death and the crash of the bus that House was on were among the show's all time best.

Despite our profound disagreement about the quality of the latest House episode, I enthusiastically agree that the debate it has spawned here has been great fun. I also agree that the episodes with the highly controversial Amber (aka CTB) were uniformly terrific. The last couple of episodes of Season 4, involving Amber's death and the crash of the bus that House was on were among the show's all time best.


Agreed, those are my all time fav House episodes along with the recent 2 hour loony bin episode. If Taub and 13 go away forever, I wouldn't miss them a bit. And as much as I like Kal, I don't miss his character at all either.

I wish House would do a new hiring game and find one or two new characters or keep the old team as long as possible.

Keep 13, Kal Penn, and that bald guy away from the TV!

Apparently, instead of House, Fox will air a So You Think You Can Dance special on the 26th (http://www.thefutoncritic.com/news.aspx?id=8332) (as reported here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=17333633#post17333633) in the SYTYCD thread). Not too unusual--they aired something else on the fourth week of the season last year. Got to stretch those 24 episodes out and it's a little early for re-runs :).

Admittingly, I've never seen a single episode of House, but I've heard good things about it. If I started watching it now beginning at season 6 episode 1 would I be alright or would I just be too confused? In other words, have I missed too much already to be able to pick up on the show now? I don't have time to go back and watch the previous 5 seasons.

Or maybe I should just wait until they all come out on Blu-ray and just watch all the seasons together when I get some downtime like next summer when nothings on tv?

Admittingly, I've never seen a single episode of House, but I've heard good things about it. If I started watching it now beginning at season 6 episode 1 would I be alright or would I just be too confused? In other words, have I missed too much already to be able to pick up on the show now? I don't have time to go back and watch the previous 5 seasons.

Or maybe I should just wait until they all come out on Blu-ray and just watch all the seasons together when I get some downtime like next summer when nothings on tv?

I don't think that you would be completely lost, but you would definitely be missing out on a lot of the background story which is pretty important. Not to mention the fact that the first few seasons were arguably the best.

I am just not a fan of the direction they have taken the show and House not being in charge. I miss the old days of setting people up and I REALY miss the banter between House and Wilson. Shame its going in this new direction.

I am just not a fan of the direction they have taken the show and House not being in charge. I miss the old days of setting people up and I REALY miss the banter between House and Wilson. Shame its going in this new direction.

Uh, there is still plenty of great "banter" between House and Wilson. :confused:

Uh, there is still plenty of great "banter" between House and Wilson. :confused:

I don't think they shared a scene tonight.

I think if they leave things as is with Foreman in charge he will end up hating House. He will never be house and with House overshadowing him at every turn it can only lead to a real mess.

Nothing wrong with new direction House needs to grow as a person and there's still plenty of Wilson and House interaction.

I don't think they shared a scene tonight.

I think if they leave things as is with Foreman in charge he will end up hating House. He will never be house and with House overshadowing him at every turn it can only lead to a real mess.

They did about 13.

Uh, there is still plenty of great "banter" between House and Wilson. :confused:

The only time they were together was when Wilson told him he confessed and this was far from the House/Wilson banter of previous seasons.

I mostly enjoyed this week's episode. I thought that the thread involving the rich guy and his profoundly ill son was well done. Although Chase's murder of the African dictator was preposterous, the coverup was a little more plausible than the murder itself. That's faint praise, of course, but there it is. The best part about the dead dictator stuff is that it now appears to be as dead as the dictator himself.

I have always been ambivalent about 13's place on the show. Olivia Wilde is a luminously beautiful young woman but her acting skills are, not to put too fine a point on it, limited. All of it was not her fault, though. After all, the decision to make 13 ill with Huntington's disease, a lesbian, and then decide that she's not a lesbian after all, etc. was not the writers' finest hour. Anyway, she's gone, at least for the moment.

I agree this episode was an improvement over last week's. I liked the story of the sick son and his rich father and I liked that House had his usual epiphany and solved the case. But it still felt like House was not totally interested in the puzzle. In the past he would obsess and agonize until the case was solved. I guess this could be interpreted as him evolving, but to me it makes him seem a bit more ordinary.

Much better episode than last and in my opinion, should have been the 3rd episode of this season...

"I suggested he give it all to me"

House still gets in a good crack

But it still felt like House was not totally interested in the puzzle. In the past he would obsess and agonize until the case was solved. I guess this could be interpreted as him evolving, but to me it makes him seem a bit more ordinary.

I understood it as House was trying to figure out three things, not primarily focused on a single issue.

1. What's wrong with the kid.
2. The 13-saga.
3. How to save Chase's and Foreman's butts.

Admittingly, I've never seen a single episode of House, but I've heard good things about it. If I started watching it now beginning at season 6 episode 1 would I be alright or would I just be too confused? In other words, have I missed too much already to be able to pick up on the show now? I don't have time to go back and watch the previous 5 seasons.

Or maybe I should just wait until they all come out on Blu-ray and just watch all the seasons together when I get some downtime like next summer when nothings on tv?

DVR the re-runs on USA, it's how I got caught up with NCIS last year. They run marathons sometimes on the weekend.

Even though the storyline progressed in regard to House's evolution in becoming a "better" person, this week felt like a step backward from last episode otherwise. Excluding the been-there-done-done-that, formulatic and simplistic case with a patient that had absolutely zero importance in relation to the overall theme, the regression was a good thing, however.

By finally eliminating 13, we've at long last said good riddance to the last of the bad rubbish. It's as though we're seeing the show return to its roots; focusing on House, involving us with the secondary characters, and re-creating a team dynamic with a perfect blend of humor and actual impact that has tragically went missing the past 3 years.

Telling was the line, "You've always been the boss," with the symbolic shots of the ball that everyone seems to covet, yet be unable to grasp for longer than a few, fleeting moments in the shadow of that which is House. :)

By finally eliminating 13, we've at long last said good riddance to the last of the bad rubbish. It's as though we're seeing the show return to its roots; focusing on House, involving us with the secondary characters, and re-creating a team dynamic with a perfect blend of humor and actual impact that has tragically went missing the past 3 years.

Don't know this for a fact, but I'm thinking 13s only on the bench until after this season goes through the spoiler revealed earlier in this thread.

Good episode but I find it a bit hard to believe that Wilson would have gone in and changed 13's flight information or that he even would have thought 13 was that critical to House's well being. Just doesn't fit with his character imho even more so than Chase killing the dictator which I thought was a stretch as well.

Don't know this for a fact, but I'm thinking 13s only on the bench until after this season goes through the spoiler revealed earlier in this thread.I feel pretty certain that the 13 character isn't permanently gone, or will even be missing for any huge number of episodes.

Last night's episode was okay--it was a bit disappointing that Chase escapes punishment so easily. I'm sensing that what he did will be the basis of......Cameron's exit. (Are we opening discussing that yet)?

Hate to rain on anyone's parade, but isn't Jennifer Morrison leaving the show? Like it or not, there will be some (permanent) changes.

Having said that, I was pleased with the return of the original crew, no matter how long it lasts.

I feel pretty certain that the 13 character isn't permanently gone, or will even be missing for any huge number of episodes.

Last night's episode was okay--it was a bit disappointing that Chase escapes punishment so easily. I'm sensing that what he did will be the basis of......Cameron's exit. (Are we opening discussing that yet)?

Well, given how widely the information in your spoiler has been reported, I don't see any point in "hiding" it anymore. Though, technically, the episode where that happens hasn't aired yet, and that has usually been the criterion for discussing things like this.

Once something gets that much press exposure though, it joins the club of:

"Luke, I'm your grandmother's son".

or better,

"I am your father's, brother's, nephew's, cousin's, former room mate."

Don't know this for a fact, but I'm thinking 13s only on the bench until after this season goes through the spoiler revealed earlier in this thread.
My 16 year old grandson agrees with you. I mentioned this morning that last night's show strongly indicated the end of 13 on the show. His reply was, "don't count on it." I am inclined to agree, too.

BIG TIME SPOILER MATERIAL REMOVED.

Has that episode aired yet?

Rest of rant deleted, but just why did you feel the need.

Thanks for the spoilers guys

So......how long do we wait until we can discuss last night's episode?

So......how long do we wait until we can discuss last night's episode?

Feel free to discuss anything that's aired.

Cameron made the point that she wanted Chase to be honest with her. That's the ticking time bomb. You know it'll show up again. Its only a matter of when.

Personally I think it was Cameron that was doing all the 13 stuff secretly perhaps she was the one that did the guy in and perhaps she knows she has some terminal disease and has to leave so she wanted 13 to stay in her place.

They have been showing scenes of her in bed saying nothing and we assume she is just wondering where Chase is but I think she is just plotting her grand plan for sweeps.

Feel free to discuss anything that's aired.
Or put spoiler tags around anything that hasn't. It's simple to do and avoids all the drama.

My remarks are in spoilers now, my apologies to all concerned.

Chase: “You don’t think I should be fired?”

House: “Better a murderer than a misdiagnosis.”

Good episode but I find it a bit hard to believe that Wilson would have gone in and changed 13's flight information or that he even would have thought 13 was that critical to House's well being. Just doesn't fit with his character imho even more so than Chase killing the dictator which I thought was a stretch as well.


I think it was established that Wilson didn't do it.

Yes, I believe that is clear. So, who has easy access to Wilson's office and computer? House.

Yes, I believe that is clear. So, who has easy access to Wilson's office and computer? House.

Wouldn't fit the profile, but I'm sure Cuddy has easy access also.

Pre-empted for baseball!??! They better not cut into House in the middle of the damn episode

I wish someone would score, already! This really sucks donkey balls.:mad:

mmm left coast feeds

What the heck is that in the back of the stadium? A fake mountain?

Pre-empted for baseball!??! They better not cut into House in the middle of the damn episode

They didn't, but it better not be the new episode, otherwise Fox will get a nasty phone call from me tomorrow, as I capture the show to watch later.

Everyone's DVR/PVR/computer will not know about the time shift.

They didn't, but it better not be the new episode, otherwise Fox will get a nasty phone call from me tomorrow, as I capture the show to watch later.

Everyone's DVR/PVR/computer will not know about the time shift.

I padded mine by an hour knowing baseball came on earlier. I believe it started around 30 minutes past the hour.

Great episode btw.

I padded mine by an hour knowing baseball came on earlier. I believe it started around 30 minutes past the hour.

Ya, well I didn't know and it was supposed to have ended long before prime. Yes, it was about 30 minutes late.

Great episode btw.

So, you are telling us that it was a new episode.

Fox is going to get my wrath tomorrow. Idiots.

Nuts. Any chance of a replay on Saturday or something like that?

Nuts. Any chance of a replay on Saturday or something like that?

I seriously doubt it, as Fox doesn't have a graveyard Saturday night.

Call them tomorrow and bitch: 310-369-3553

Nuts. Any chance of a replay on Saturday or something like that?

USA reruns the latest Fox episode at the end of the week, I think 11pm Sunday night. Or there's always fox.com.

I record House and Lie so I'm covered, plus I flipped over and saw it was late so I grabbed both shows. All in all an interesting show, one of the better twists I've seen.

I liked it too, but I missed a bit in the middle due to the baseball game. I am getting a little weary of worrying whether House is going crazy though. Drop it and move on already. I also wished House would have another week or two walking rounds-great possibilities.

I think it was established that Wilson didn't do it.

I was quite certain that it was Wilson in the end who changed 13's flight information. If not Wilson .... who? Anyone want to chime in?

Not a big fan of last nights episode. The overall acting was poor especially the interaction between the patient and patient's old girlfriend. The interaction between House and the old team seemed a bit stale as well in my opinion.

The one question I have that has me a bit confused is that I thought House heard voices while he was doing a differential with his team at one point .... the other times he heard voices got explained later but what about that time?

Not a big fan of last nights episode. The overall acting was poor especially the interaction between the patient and patient's old girlfriend. The interaction between House and the old team seemed a bit stale as well in my opinion.

The one question I have that has me a bit confused is that I thought House heard voices while he was doing a differential with his team at one point .... the other times he heard voices got explained later but what about that time?

It was immediately established that the voices during the differential were people walking by.

I record House and Lie so I'm covered, plus I flipped over and saw it was late so I grabbed both shows. All in all an interesting show, one of the better twists I've seen.

Was watching a movie on the HTPC, and happened to flip over during Lie at around 8:20 Central. Noticed House was still on thankfully, hit record on Lie to get it all.

Damn baseball. :D

USA reruns the latest Fox episode at the end of the week, I think 11pm Sunday night. Or there's always fox.com.

I do not have cable, DBS, etc. I want quality HD, not some overconpressed stream from Fox.com, or anyone for that matter.

The point is that you should not screw over viewers like this. I should not be forced to go to other sources to view this program. The companies that paid money to supposedly have me see their ads, didn't get me to see their ads.

It was an OK episode--the medical mystery was interesting and the autopsy moment was cool :D.

House keeps suggesting that Chase go talk to someone about murdering Dibala, but who can he talk to? The priest was little help and I'm not sure that a therapist might not have some obligation to report the admission of murder, though I suppose that if they don't judge him to be a danger to others they'd be bound by confidentiality laws. I can't see how Chase makes it past this while remaining the same character.

While I'm not at all religious, the priest gave Chase good advice... the only way he will be able to make peace with what he did is to confess to it. He has successfully gotten away with murder, but it is eating at him and will destroy his life. Maybe jail doesn't sound too fun, but he will be in a prison of his own making as he wrecks his marriage and life anyway.

Wonder if we're going to see an addicted Chase now. Could be an interesting twist if House has to help someone else with an addiction.

The point is that you should not screw over viewers like this. I should not be forced to go to other sources to view this program.

I can understand why this is upsetting to you, but what other options did they have? They can't dump out of a game. :confused:

I can understand why this is upsetting to you, but what other options did they have? They can't dump out of a game. :confused:

Count me in as one that missed the episode. :(

Sadly, not a second of House need to be lost. If baseball wasn't an endless procession of mind-numbing events, such as the case where every pitch is preceeded by; spitting, rubbing the ball, spitting, grabbing the crotch, spitting, looking over shoulder to first base, spitting, adjusting the cap, spitting, looking back at first base again, spitting, winding-up, spitting and grabbing the crotch while winding-up, throwing half-heartedly to first base, spitting, getting the ball back, repeating the entire pre-pitch process, and then throwing a pitch 3 feet outside of the strike zone, only then they may get me (and countless others) to watch.

As it stands, we endure 3 minutes of trash for every 3 seconds of action.*

*Don't even attempt to compare this to football! With baseball, hardly anyone has moved an inch during the events described above. With football, you've got guys 40 yards downfield, 400-pound beheamoths pulling themselves from a pile of carnage, and a small army of men subbing in and out of the game. A standard baseball could be played in an hour, tops.

Most people here are too young to remember when they cut from the last few minutes of an extremely important football game to a TV movie of Heidi, over forty years ago. Let's just say some people were displeased and leave it at that.

Sadly, not a second of House need to be lost. If baseball wasn't an endless procession [...]

I won't disagree with any of that, but I am just trying to understand why this would be FOX's fault. They have no control over the length of time spent spitting and grabbing crotches.

While I'm not at all religious, the priest gave Chase good advice... the only way he will be able to make peace with what he did is to confess to it. He has successfully gotten away with murder, but it is eating at him and will destroy his life. Maybe jail doesn't sound too fun, but he will be in a prison of his own making as he wrecks his marriage and life anyway.
I think that you are right about this. In fact, the sound but tough advice the priest gave Chase in an attempt to cut through Chase's denials was about the smartest thing the writers have given us in the silly Chase kills the dictator thread. As toweringly preposterous as the very idea that a respected physician would kill his own patient is to me, at least Chase's scene with the priest exposed Chase's psychopathy.

I won't disagree with any of that, but I am just trying to understand why this would be FOX's fault. They have no control over the length of time spent spitting and grabbing crotches.

Not to mention it was an extra innings game. I think it went into the 11th? Or was it the 12th? This wasn't some life-altering episode, if you catch it on USA Network you'll be ok.

While I'm not at all religious, the priest gave Chase good advice... the only way he will be able to make peace with what he did is to confess to it. He has successfully gotten away with murder, but it is eating at him and will destroy his life. Maybe jail doesn't sound too fun, but he will be in a prison of his own making as he wrecks his marriage and life anyway.

I agree. Clearing his mind requires what you said, or continuing down a path of hidden self-righteous criminality. He'll likely sleep well at night when he gets used to the latter option.

Maybe there will be a spin-off called The Chase Chronicles, where he commits such a criminal deed every episode. :D

I think that you are right about this. In fact, the sound but tough advice the priest gave Chase in an attempt to cut through Chase's denials was about the smartest thing the writers have given us in the silly Chase kills the dictator thread. As toweringly preposterous as the very idea that a respected physician would kill his own patient is to me, at least Chase's scene with the priest exposed Chase's psychopathy.You've got to applaud the writer's consistency with the Chase character. He's always been a bit of a moral coward, a bit of a sneak, dishonest with himself and others, a backstabber and now murderer, but remaining likeable with these deep character flaws. Obviously, he's unravelling and I have no doubt that he's going to remain with the crew at Cameron's expense. It's very interesting and something I missed, when they marginalized the old staff and added the new guys (why...just to make us want the old House drones back?). The dictator storyline didn't bother me. In fact, I slept through most of the episode, but I'm fascinated with the resulting consequences. I like this type of drama coupled with accomplished performances.

I think that you are right about this. In fact, the sound but tough advice the priest gave Chase in an attempt to cut through Chase's denials was about the smartest thing the writers have given us in the silly Chase kills the dictator thread.

But totally invalidated in that it came from a priest of the church that covered up child abuse/rape for decades.

"Taking responsibility for your actions" is not something the RC church can advise anyone without the stench of hypocrisy.

I didn't know Chase was a RC and I found the whole scene nauseating.

I won't disagree with any of that, but I am just trying to understand why this would be FOX's fault. They have no control over the length of time spent spitting and grabbing crotches.

But they do have control of when the games STARTs. They started the game at 4.07 p.m. EST and scheduled it to only last 3 hours. Regular season games usually lasted at least 3 and a half hours. The previous NYY/LAA game lasted over 5 hours!

FOX could have started the game a 1.07 p.m. EST and it would have easily been completed by 8.00 p.m.

OR they could have scheduled the start for 8.07 p.m. EST and pushed House and Lie to Me back a couple of weeks.

But they do have control of when the games STARTs.

I don't know how much control they have over that. I;m sure they have some input, but if they wanted to start the game at 1pm ET (10am PT), I don't think MLB would be on board with that, as it makes the game seem less important. They want as many of these in prime-time as possible. On Monday, MLB had the NLCS game at 8pm ET, and they aren't going to play both series at the same time.

But they do have control of when the games STARTs.Wow! That's a hot news flash--you're saying that Fox has absolute control over Major League Baseball and how they schedule games??? It was a live sportscast--the broadcast started when the game started (while, probably a little before) and ended when it ended, not the other way around.

While I'm sure the broadcasters do have some influence over the time-of-day scheduling of games, that only goes so far. I'm sure that there are other factors at play, like the host city's concerns over the affect on traffic and their ability to police the crowds at various times of day.

Not to mention it was an extra innings game. I think it went into the 11th? Or was it the 12th? This wasn't some life-altering episode, if you catch it on USA Network you'll be ok.
Apparently, this week's episode, Brave Heart, will not be rerun by USA this week. According to Tribune Media Services, which provides TiVo's media guide, the Brave Heart episode will not be shown on the USA Network between now and 10/31.

Apparently, this week's episode, Brave Heart, will not be rerun by USA this week. According to Tribune Media Services, which provides TiVo's media guide, the Brave Heart episode will not be shown on the USA Network between now and 10/31.

That's odd. I wonder what's going on. Usually it is only an 8 day wait. Like others, I didn't realize the game had run over, but fortunately checked the recordings and realized I'd have to record Lie to Me to get the 2nd half of House.

I thought the medical mystery was kind of cool since it stretched multiple-generations like a curse. That autopsy was a hoot, especially with their reactions!

As for the advice Chase got, regardless of the source, it doesn't mean it is necessarily wrong. Remember, Chase was originally going to go into ministry. It isn't surprising that his conscience is bothering him at this point.

It is one of those ethical questions that are so much fun debating. Is truly all life sacred or it there sometimes justification to sacrifice one (in this case a genocidal dictator planning mass murders) in order to save thousands.

I guess the opinion would vary, except maybe for the thousands who had targets on their backs.

Apparently, this week's episode, Brave Heart, will not be rerun by USA this week. According to Tribune Media Services, which provides TiVo's media guide, the Brave Heart episode will not be shown on the USA Network between now and 10/31.

Zap2it's schedule says the Brave Heart episode will run on November 1 at 11pm EST.

While I didn't like the kill-the-dictator plot... I'm pleased that they are carrying it forward (the repercussions) in a believable manner that is consistent with Chase's character.

As I expected/feared, though, it will have consequences that effect the "old team" and even if we didn't have the spoiler that let us know some of the fallout... you have to see bad things coming for the team soon.

To be honest, I really never liked Chase much as a character. Foreman sometimes gets on a high-horse, but seems to come back down to earth eventually and accept being humbled even if not always willing to admit being wrong. Chase never seemed to "get" it in a lot of episodes.

I agree. Clearing his mind requires what you said, or continuing down a path of hidden self-righteous criminality. He'll likely sleep well at night when he gets used to the latter option.

Maybe there will be a spin-off called The Chase Chronicles, where he commits such a criminal deed every episode. :D

Goes back in time to commit criminal acts......like kill John Connor before he can become the leader of the resistance...Summer Glau has a supporting role

But they do have control of when the games STARTs. They started the game at 4.07 p.m. EST and scheduled it to only last 3 hours. Regular season games usually lasted at least 3 and a half hours. The previous NYY/LAA game lasted over 5 hours!

FOX could have started the game a 1.07 p.m. EST and it would have easily been completed by 8.00 p.m.

OR they could have scheduled the start for 8.07 p.m. EST and pushed House and Lie to Me back a couple of weeks.

Are you seriously saying that a Live Playoff game in California should be forced to start at 10am Local time to accommodate a Prime Time routine series?

While 8pm EDT might make sense, with the NL Series playing at the same time MLB would never agree to that. The other 'realistic' option would be to play the game at 8pm PDT like most normal games should be, but since it's the Yankees there is no way they would start at 11pm EDT on a weeknight. I'm actually incredibly shocked that they (MLB/TV execs) didn't force the NL to the afternoon slot just so the Yankees could get any/every primetime slot.

I love HOUSE and I'm an old School baseball fan so I have no problem with day baseball, but this is not FOX's fault in any form. If an NBA playoff game went into quadruple overtime or an NFL playoff game goes into whatever Overtime, that's just the way it is -- the live Postseason is going to take precedence over series TV.

As for the advice Chase got, regardless of the source, it doesn't mean it is necessarily wrong. Remember, Chase was originally going to go into ministry. It isn't surprising that his conscience is bothering him at this point.

It is one of those ethical questions that are so much fun debating. Is truly all life sacred or it there sometimes justification to sacrifice one (in this case a genocidal dictator planning mass murders) in order to save thousands.

I guess the opinion would vary, except maybe for the thousands who had targets on their backs.
I am not Catholic and hold no particular brief for Catholicism. Nevertheless, I thought the advice the priest gave Chase in the confessional was spot on. Better yet, it revealed the depth of Chase's depravity. Chase arrogantly decided to play God by overlooking his professional responsibility to his patient to give him the best care possible. Instead, Chase murdered his patient but still denies his own responsibility. Now he is suffering the consequences. That's as it should be because, as the priest told Chase, his absolution depends upon his accepting responsibility for his wrong.

FOX has a great deal to say when baseball is played. I might be confused about the particulars, but I understand they won't allow any other MLB games to be played at the same time they are telecasting a game on Saturdays. That said, this was just one of those things.

FOX has a great deal to say when baseball is played. I might be confused about the particulars, but I understand they won't allow any other MLB games to be played at the same time they are telecasting a game on Saturdays. That said, this was just one of those things.


One more off topic post and I'm out. Others teams can play at the same time on Saturday, but nobody can telecast the game since FOX pays a premium to MLB for exclusivity at the time of their broadcast -- sounds reasonable to me and nothing different than many other sports TV contracts including ESPN Sunday Night baseball.


Now back on topic: Assuming Chase confesses to intentionally changing the tests then "Hitler" now becomes a Martyr and all the good Chase was hoping to accomplish in his Big Picture is quite likely to backfire and the dictators followers will almost for sure massacre the Others anyway.

Arguments could still be made that the Dictator would still have died even without Chase's intervention so murder might be hard to prove -- it wasn't like he was out of the woods and healthy by the time that Foreman got the diagnosis presumably correct at the end. Malpractice and certainly something legally culpable surely, he loses his medical license, but he would almost surely be considered a Hero by some proportion of the public.

Medically certainly he was wrong on many levels.
Ethically he probably would be considered wrong though sacrificing his own life and the life of the Dictator to save several hundred thousand (possibly couple miilion) lives certainly begs a huge question of the Cultural Morality even as he violates Personal Morality.

That's ultimately the point... IF Chase truly killed the dictator out of the moral certainty that it was the right thing to do... then it should be worth it to him not to conceal it, and to accept the consequences that come with it.

IF he continues to dodge and cover it up (and he's already dragged Foreman into the coverup) then he becomes no different ethically than the dictator.

A good person does what he thinks is right and accepts the consequences. A bad person does what he wants and denies the consequences.

FOX has a great deal to say when baseball is played. I might be confused about the particulars, but I understand they won't allow any other MLB games to be played at the same time they are telecasting a game on Saturdays. That said, this was just one of those things.

There are games a lot of games airing at the same time (1:05 starts) throughout the course of the season, but they are available on local RSN's or local stations only. FOX has exlusive National rights during the after 1:00 to 7:00 (I think) time periods.

However, the ALCS and NLCS are being played so both games can be watched by fans. I am quite pleased with the time slotting. Unfortunately, when a game goes into extra innings, the length of the game is not controlled by anything but the final pitch. :)

Fortunately, I was home and recorded Lie to Me as well to catch the end of House.

I'm just concerned that somehow House will figure out that the Dictator would have died either way, giving Chase a way to get off the moral roller coaster. If they go that route I will be highly annoyed.

Question on the actual plot this week... doesn't that mean that the guy's father and grandfather were buried alive?

Question on the actual plot this week... doesn't that mean that the guy's father and grandfather were buried alive?I'm sure that being embalmed would have killed them :D.

Who knows whether they'd have ended up in exactly the same state of profoundly supressed respiration, or for how long, if they did? I can't believe that the guy would have lived for very much longer without the shocking pain of being sawed open without an anestethic.

That's ultimately the point... IF Chase truly killed the dictator out of the moral certainty that it was the right thing to do... then it should be worth it to him not to conceal it, and to accept the consequences that come with it.

IF he continues to dodge and cover it up (and he's already dragged Foreman into the coverup) then he becomes no different ethically than the dictator.

A good person does what he thinks is right and accepts the consequences. A bad person does what he wants and denies the consequences.

The problem with admitting that he killed the Dictator (or at least increased the chances of death by faking the test) is what was said in the show -- if word got out that the Dictator was 'murdered' then in the eyes of his followers/loyal soldiers would riot as he becomes a Martyr and the retribution would lead to full blown Genocide as Chase now could/would be portrayed as the Assassin for the Others. I forget if the Dictator himself pointed that out or if it was Foreman.

IF Chase wants personal absolution then he would admit what he did and accept the consequences, IF he wants to save the 2 Million people he was trying to help in the first place by killing the Dictator then he has to keep quiet or risk losing his Greater Good coming out of his deception though he will likely be personally tortured. The Good of the Many must outweigh the good of the few (or the One).

Best episode in a LONG time. And Lucas is back! Next week's episode looks good too even though I'm not sure I want Taub or 13 back on the show.

Best episode in a LONG time. And Lucas is back! Next week's episode looks good too even though I'm not sure I want Taub or 13 back on the show.
Although this week's show was preposterous, even by House standards, I liked it, too. I agree that it was fun to see weird old Lucas again.

Nooooooooooo poor House! c'mon Lucas? and why when House is almost telling Cuddy that he loves her.. mmm

Cam and Chase, I think she took the news way harder that if he was cheating, I'll bet she would prefer that he cheated instead..

Nooooooooooo poor House!...

That's what I said...but only because it appears he's going to have to endure at least one more minute with both 13 and Taub. Just when you thought it was safe to start watching again... :(


Although this week's show was preposterous, even by House standards, I liked it, too. I agree that it was fun to see weird old Lucas again.

Preposterous? Having House going out and actively trying to get 13 and Taub back? Now, THAT is preposterous! :mad:

The "re-recruitment" is happening next week......

Unless they aired a double episode?

Nooooooooooo poor House! c'mon Lucas? and why when House is almost telling Cuddy that he loves her.. mmmAs I recall, Lucas asked Cuddy out toward the end of the story arc which included him and we were never informed of how that went. Apparently, very well :).

I thought that it was cool how they kind of openly discussed it.
Cam and Chase, I think she took the news way harder that if he was cheating, I'll bet she would prefer that he cheated instead..She's probably particularly pissed after he talked her out of doing it.

Without knowing any spoilers, the name of the episode 3 away from now makes me nervous. :(

I thought this last episode was decent, but nowhere close to the best episodes that we have had this year. Still a keeper.

It will be interesting to see how the develop the Cuddy/Lucas relationship

Wow! 1 PM EDT and no comment on last night's episode???

I enjoyed it, though I wish that House would give up on having a relationship with Cuddy. Chase's punching him was entertaining :).

The concept of maintaining a constant high to purposefully blunt a high IQ was interesting, as was the guy who was too smart to be happy (an unsubtle reference to House's own situation).

By the look on Cuddy's face at the last scene, yes, she has feelings for House, but she's settling with this guy because he's constant (and she doesn't love him that much or maybe she doesn't love him at all).

The punching scene was hilarious, even more Taub using this to show his wife he punched him and she gots the hots for Taub again.

And my favorite quote...

House -> "I have my starters back, and 2 key free agents. I feel like Mike Tomlin" <looks at Foreman> "..but probably not as much as you."

Been waiting for what seems like forever for them to acknowledge what we've talked about for the past year or more. :)

And my favorite quote...

House -> "I have my starters back, and 2 key free agents. I feel like Mike Tomlin" <looks at Foreman> "..but probably not as much as you."

Been waiting for what seems like forever for them to acknowledge what we've talked about for the past year or more. :)


I had to replay that scene several times to make sure and then had to pause a minute or so to stop laughing.

Everybody is outHousing House this episode.
Cuddy set up House twice. The Housesitter and turkey sandwich was priceless.

Chase setting House up as the pawn was superb. I was surprised that Chase didn't mention the time that House punched him. And then Taub piggybacking on the situation was pretty funny.

And my favorite quote...... Mike Tomlin

I hate it when a joke falls flat because I don't know who people are :(. Between that and the Thanksgiving (not sure if that is one word or two), I think I missed a lot of content this week. Still, it was a decent episode and it is good to see a bit of background character developent outside the Hospital itself.

I hate it when a joke falls flat because I don't know who people are :(. Between that and the Thanksgiving (not sure if that is one word or two), I think I missed a lot of content this week. Still, it was a decent episode and it is good to see a bit of background character developent outside the Hospital itself.

Yeah, the "in" jokes only work when you are in... Anyone outside the US is unlikely to be following American Football enough to care much about the eerie similar look of Pittsburgh Steelers' coach Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps.

Heck, there are probably a lot of non-sports House fans that didn't get that last night either.

Yeah, the "in" jokes only work when you are in... Anyone outside the US is unlikely to be following American Football enough to care much about the eerie similar look of Pittsburgh Steelers' coach Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps.

Heck, there are probably a lot of non-sports House fans that didn't get that last night either.

It would have gone over my head if not for the previous discussion in this forum.

House and his mind games! It's starting to backfire!

I found the medical case more interesting then the shenanigans in that episode.

i'm of the opinion that taub is the closest we've seen the entire series of a near equal, or at least the potential, to be nearly-on-par with house's medical diagnostic abilities.

Man House it's getting "Owned" too much now.. I could almost see the "Owned" tatooed on the housesitter's forehead

I still wonder why the writers insist on having House's lackeys seen so much. There could be much more interesting stories revolving around Wilson, Cuddy and other aspects of the hospital. I'm tired of the lackeys and just wish they would all go away.

fafner

And my favorite quote...

House -> "I have my starters back, and 2 key free agents. I feel like Mike Tomlin" <looks at Foreman> "..but probably not as much as you."

Been waiting for what seems like forever for them to acknowledge what we've talked about for the past year or more. :)

As a Steelers fan (and discussing this a bunch of times over the past couple years), I was dying at this joke! Unfortunately, my wife was one of those people that it was lost on.

As a Steelers fan (and discussing this a bunch of times over the past couple years), I was dying at this joke! Unfortunately, my wife was one of those people that it was lost on.

Now if only they could have actually gotten Tomlin to do a guest spot on this show after having won the Superbowl...

OR... maybe someone can get Epps to show up at a Steelers post-game press conference!

I thought millions of people watch the superbowl!

Yeah, the "in" jokes only work when you are in... Anyone outside the US is unlikely to be following American Football enough to care much about the eerie similar look of Pittsburgh Steelers' coach Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps.

Heck, there are probably a lot of non-sports House fans that didn't get that last night either.

I agree not everyone is going to get it, but since I did, I found it hilarious.

It took me a while to catch up to the current episode. Briefly, I think this is the best season since I can't remember when.

True, some of the cliches are still in effect but thanks to House's behavior modification the show does have an element of uncertainty now.

Man, I really want to hear more about the oozing patient of House's dept. Bored with the cancer guys. House coming into a room soaking wet made it seem FAR more interesting.

Damn teases.

And my favorite quote...

House -> "I have my starters back, and 2 key free agents. I feel like Mike Tomlin" <looks at Foreman> "..but probably not as much as you."

Been waiting for what seems like forever for them to acknowledge what we've talked about for the past year or more. :)

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15280215&highlight=mike+tomlin#post15280215 :D

Outstanding episode!

Agreed. Possibly the best of the season. Now I wonder if they can top it.

Agreed. Possibly the best of the season. Now I wonder if they can top it.

They usually manage to with the season finale!

This episode was one of the best "Wilson/House" buddy ones. It was as good as some of the old Odd Couple episodes.

What a parallel to the undercover agent and drug dealer.

Funniest. Episode. Ever.

The proposal was absolutely laugh-out-loud hilarious.

The medical case was pretty good, too.

"Maggot Brain" musical epilogue...are U serious?:eek:

The best show on TV hands down!!!

My DVR cut off right at the end with Wilson singing. Did I miss anything else?

Fantastic Episode

13 looked especially fetching this episode over past episodes, for some reason.

i said the same thing to myself, not my wife of course who was in the same room.

different haircut?

i said the same thing to myself, not my wife of course who was in the same room.


Smart man.

I thought this was one of their better episodes too. I like how Wilson screwd with House at the restaurant. Too funny. :)

Speaking of hair, what's up with all the dorky hair cuts on the guys? Chase looks like a little boy, Wilson looks creepy, and House looks odd with the buzz cut.

At least 13 looked good...

I would have paid the $50 to watch!

I really loved this episode. It had pretty much everything that makes House such a great show. Humor, biting sarcasm, and the medical case was good too.

This was a particularly good episode. When it was over, I told my wife "best show on TV"! She agreed. :cool:

It's like 13 got a week of proper beauty sleep while staying at a spa to release all tension, and the makeup crew touched it off with their best work. Maybe she put some food into that body, as well (instead of starving herself for that malnourished Hollywood look).

Funny, count me in as one who also specifically noticed how much better 13 looked in this episode.

It was an excellent episode with a good case!

It is odd why Wilson and House are living together.

and

What's up with Chase's hair? :confused:

It is odd why Wilson and House are living together.

I thought that was one of the conditions of his release from the institution.

It was an excellent episode with a good case!

What's up with Chase's hair? :confused:

Funny that House even mentioned it a couple times..."Did Cameron get your hair in the divorce?" funny stuff

Speaking of Cameron… she's coming back.

EW's Ausiello says:

She's baaaaaaaack! Sources confirm to me exclusively that Jennifer Morrison is heading back to House later this season.

I like House and Chase's new haircuts. About time that men started looking like men and not disheveled tweens.

I like House and Chase's new haircuts. About time that men started looking like men and not disheveled tweens.

Hey, I resent that. I'm 65, a bit disheveled and somewhere tween old and dead!!! They damned sure don't give you haircuts in the box..... :D

It is odd why Wilson and House are living together.



They're making them more like Holmes and Watson. Makes sense, considering that House is based on Sherlock Holmes.

For me, this was hands down the best episde in a LONG time. EXCELLENT House and Wilson momments. Loved it.

I thought the interaction between House and Wilson was great...indeed, I suggested the series needed more of this earlier in the thread. The rest of the episode, however, was just blah to me.

fafner

Speaking of Cameron… she's coming back.

EW's Ausiello says:



That's good news, imo.

Finally got around to watching this episode last night, indeed, a very good episode.

A slight step down from last week's episode, but a lot of interesting subcurrents being explored this week and still a winner. For my money funniest moment this week was Taub not leaving "Oh sorry, that was our secret."

As much as I usually avoid episode teasers I forget to FF the TIVO at the end and next week just absolutely promises to be hysterical.

I enjoyed this weeks show. I thought that the beautiful but psychopathic patient was a wonderful character and that the part was well played by a young actress I do not remember having seen before. I thought that the tension between 13 and the patient was convincing and particularly well written. The girls kind of understood each other, to their mutual discomfort. As usual, House's antics were a world's fair.

I liked this episode overall, but I agree that it was a bit of a step down from others we have had this year. Which, to me, says that this really has been a pretty good season thus far.

I enjoyed this weeks show. I thought that the beautiful but psychopathic patient was a wonderful character and that the part was well played by a young actress I do not remember having seen before. I thought that the tension between 13 and the patient was convincing and particularly well written. The girls kind of understood each other, to their mutual discomfort. As usual, House's antics were a world's fair.

Beau Garrett, (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1683768/) and I thought she was excellent in the role, she definitely had a very menacing coldness about her, well done.
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/4659/c146ydxi39didyi1.jpg

^^^ that's the cold-hearted look she did so well in the episode...

Beau Garrett, (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm1683768/) and I thought she was excellent in the role, she definitely had a very menacing coldness about her, well done.
Thanks for the name. What impressed me most about Garrett's performance was her ability to change in a flash from a sweet, vulnerable, young girl to a gimlet eyed psychopath, so ruthless she made your blood run cold.

She and 13 were in Turistas together - and will also be paired up in the new Tron remake.

Although, I suspect we'll see much less of her in Disney's Tron than we got to see in Turistas. ;)

Although, I suspect we'll see much less of her in Disney's Tron than we got to see in Turistas. ;)

Or in Entourage... :D

Tons of edge enhancement tonight, looks like garbage

An episode of House without much of House. Very interesting.

Tons of edge enhancement tonight, looks like garbage

Just like last week.

Just like last week.

I didn't notice it last week. Either that or I don't remember

Edge enhancement, schmedge enhancement. How about a whole hour dedicated to Lisa Edelstein, my once and future girlfriend? I thought it was one of the best shows ever.

Yes, this was definitely Cuddie's episode! The things she has to put up with, you can't help but to feel for her. Just the day-to-day stuff would drive me insane, but even when Rome was burning down around her, she managed to hold strong and somehow it all worked out. Can't help but to give her props for pulling that off!

Just the day-to-day stuff would drive me insane, but even when Rome was burning down around her, she managed to hold strong and somehow it all worked out.

Isn't that a quality of a first-rate leader? I think this episode strengthened her character immensely.

Very well written and very well played.

Interesting change of pace episode. I definitely enjoyed the different take on the 'day at the hospital'. Very well done.

I found the episode quite depressing.

Isn't that a quality of a first-rate leader? I think this episode strengthened her character immensely.

Certainly. Lisa Cuddy for President! :D

I, too, loved this week's Cuddy-centric episode. She is a charming, interesting character, so it was a nice change of pace to have the show focus on her instead of House just once.

But every time I see Lucas I shrug, I hate this guy...

But every time I see Lucas I shrug, I hate this guy...
I agree .. :mad:

Nice shots at health insurance companies, too.

She has a tough job Miss Cuddy!

Maybe they're thinking about spinning Cuddy off into her own series. I'd watch.

Loved this episode. House once commented (in a backhanded put-down) that this is the life that Cuddy chose, after having worked hard to become a highly accomplished physician. Hopefully it pays well :).

I liked how this episode showed the "big picture" and just how trivial House's issues are. But other than that it was pretty humorless and not entertaining.

I liked how this episode showed the "big picture" and just how trivial House's issues are. But other than that it was pretty humorless and not entertaining.I liked seeing someone other than Cuddy and Wilson react to House's shenanigans.

I liked how this episode showed the "big picture" and just how trivial House's issues are. But other than that it was pretty humorless and not entertaining.I agree--it was cool to see that House is just one irritating element of what Cuddy has to deal with in her job; it's so easy to get the subconscious impression that she sits in her office all day waiting for House to pop in :D. However, I was entertained by it.

It was a great episode. Had to chuckle at her having to deal with being called the "b word" all day, in both hateful and "loving" ways. :)

I thought it was a good episode... and a nice bookend of sorts to the opening episode of this season that basically was House-centric and featured no other peripheral regulars.

Now we get to see Cuddy handling the rest of her job that we don't normally get to see... so next time she is short with House about something, it changes the dynamic. Instead of wondering if she is just mad at House... she might have a half dozen other things on her mind that have nothing to do with House that day.

House has been on a roll lately. The last 3 or 4 episodes have been excellent.

The Cuddy character has been marginalized even more than usual lately, having been written into something of a corner. I think it was felt (not sure by whom, maybe by Lisa Edelstein) that it was past time to show the audience why the character matters, and and why she's important to House for other than romantic reasons.

While the ending was far too neat, upbeat, and tied with a bow, I enjoyed the change of pace.

Why is Jennifer Morrison still in the credits?

It is time now to do a Wilson-centric episode. The show clearly needs more than House arguing with his minions for 50 minutes before he has an Eureka moment, if it wants to live past this season.

fafner

I saw my Wayne, New Jersey homegirl first, so back off! :D

It is time now to do a Wilson-centric episode.


Didn't they already do that a few episodes back in an episode that was aptly titled "Wilson"?

Why is Jennifer Morrison still in the credits?

Because she's coming back.

What, No one watches this show anymore?

I do, and thought all of the speed dating stuff was hysterical. Remember it's been nothing but reruns for weeks on end.

It was also good to see what Laura Prepon was up to these days. I guess she took time off to go to college.

I do, and thought all of the speed dating stuff was hysterical. Remember it's been nothing but reruns for weeks on end.


classic House, owning the crossword girl :D

This week's episode seemed a little crisper than usual. IMDB (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0412142/technical) indicates production from 2004 has been 35mm film scanned to HDCAM-SR tape (1080/24p to 720/60p). Searches don't mention anything new for season 6 though. -- John

I thought it was an outstanding episode. Lately the show has been much better than the first part of the season.

I thought it was a great episode. Had lots of really funny stuff. My TiVo did cut off the last little bit of the episode though which was disappointing.

I thought it was a great episode. Had lots of really funny stuff. My TiVo did cut off the last little bit of the episode though which was disappointing.

Same here with a Comcast DVR. :( Cuddy was just walking into the scene when...

Did I miss anything?

It was also good to see what Laura Prepon was up to these days. I guess she took time off to go to college.

She did a guest spot on Friday's "Medium" too.

Same here with a Comcast DVR. :( Cuddy was just walking into the scene when...

Did I miss anything?

She was asking for someone to remove the giant movie poster that had been placed over the entry door.

Because she's coming back.

The same answer I gave the wife when she commented on Morrison's presence in the credits - except I simply assumed this to be the case.

Dang it, I forgot to record a few minutes past the hour and my DVR cut off the end. Wilson and House were walking to the doors of the hospital and Wilson started to say something to House and I missed what he said and House's reply. When I started 24, they showed Cuddy saying take that down and it was the sign of Wilson in the movie above the door.

Anyone know what these two said at the end?

One of the better episodes. I found it amazing that I enjoyed the Wilson and House story line, House's story on the book and REALLY enjoyed the dating section WAY, WAY, WAY more then the actual medical drama taking place. Not sure why, but this "other" stuff in the show is the highlight for me.

The same answer I gave the wife when she commented on Morrison's presence in the credits - except I simply assumed this to be the case.

Sometimes actors have in their contracts if they are in a certain number of episodes they get their name in credits for the whole season.

Enjoyable episode about relationships, and about human interaction.

lol

Sometimes actors have in their contracts if they are in a certain number of episodes they get their name in credits for the whole season.

Actually, if I remember correctly, its a SAG (or the other appropriate union) rule.

...One of the better episodes. I found it amazing that I enjoyed the Wilson and House story line, House's story on the book and REALLY enjoyed the dating section WAY, WAY, WAY more then the actual medical drama taking place. Not sure why, but this "other" stuff in the show is the highlight for me.

The speed-dating scenes were hilarious. Who knew Chase could pull off the typical Halo player so well? :D

As for House and Wilson, those two are money. House's mastermind working on a scheme is a joy to watch, and Wilson's pained/shocked/apalled reactions make for some fantastic TV. Although, for ALL the pranks that House has pulled on Wilson over the years, none have ever made me laugh anywhere even remotely close to as hard as when Wilson sawed House's cane in half. Classic! :)

Although, for ALL the pranks that House has pulled on Wilson over the years, none have ever made me laugh anywhere even remotely close to as hard as when Wilson sawed House's cane in half. Classic! :)

That was my favorite prank also.

After a marathon run of House to clear my backlog, I am definitely enjoying the episodes this year more than I have of late. Gay Wilson, the apartment pranks, Cuddy's day, Orlando Jones ... have all served to break free of the usual predictable plots House usually survives on. They have fallen afoul of the misdirection opening cliche and epiphany solution, but only a couple of times, which is a vast improvement over every single week.

If the show keeps making a conscious effort to steer away from the medical mystery monotony and towards the lives of actual characters the show could regain it's legs for another couple of seasons.

For some reason tonight I found myself thinking of the theme from the Flash Gordon movie by Queen... but "House" instead of Flash.

Anyone know what these two said at the end?
Going from memory here, but...

Wilson postulated to House that he was reading it to see that if underneath all the "God stuff" there was a mind that worked like his (House's). As they're walking about Wilson asked him what he found, and House replied, "more God stuff". The doors close, Cuddy walks out into the lobby and says, "Can somebody take that down?" as the camera pans up it shows a giant poster of Wilson from the movie with another phrase on it (similar to the ones in Wilson's office).

Going from memory here, but...

Wilson postulated to House that he was reading it to see that if underneath all the "God stuff" there was a mind that worked like his (House's). As they're walking about Wilson asked him what he found, and House replied, "more God stuff". The doors close, Cuddy walks out into the lobby and says, "Can somebody take that down?" as the camera pans up it shows a giant poster of Wilson from the movie with another phrase on it (similar to the ones in Wilson's office).

Thank you!

Jesse Spencer's "Dr. Chase" has been excellent this season, particularly since Cameron left.

The season finale of House was shot entirely with the Canon 5D Mark II (http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/10/house-season-finale-shot-entirely-with-canon-5dmkii/), a digital SLR that you can buy at any camera store for $2,500.

The season finale of House was shot entirely with the Canon 5D Mark II (http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/10/house-season-finale-shot-entirely-with-canon-5dmkii/), a digital SLR that you can buy at any camera store for $2,500.

That's interesting. It will be interesting to see how it looks.

How remarkably interesting. All I need, some other technological gizmo to covet.

Looks like it's getting closer and closer for the average schmoe to be able to make a movie that really looks professional and spend hardly anything at all doing it.

Looks like it's getting closer and closer for the average schmoe to be able to make a movie that really looks professional and spend hardly anything at all doing it.Perhaps it's getting closer and closer to when an average schmoe will be able to afford the equipment, but the average schmoe isn't becoming any more capable a cameraman or cinematographer, so how close his product will be to a professional result is questionable :).

Buying a target pistol doesn't make you a marksman :).

Buying a target pistol doesn't make you a marksman :).But you'll never become a marksman if you can't afford the pistol. :p

But you'll never become a marksman if you can't afford the pistol. :pTrue, but you're also unlikely to become a marksman without training and guidance :).

In any case, what is happening is that higher quality equipment for lower prices is putting it in the hands of people who do know what to do with it, but who don't have much funding for their film projects. Things which make it easier to produce quality independent films are good things.

I recently watched a pretty decent horror film, Paranormal Activity, which was supposedly shot entirely with a retail camera in the film maker's home on a budget of $10,000. (The plot lent itself to that, since the video is supposed to be found footage, left behind after something horrible happened to the people who shot it, like Blair Witch Project and Cloverfield. Blair Witch had cost $20,000-$25,000 by the end of principle photography and was taken to Sundance without much more expenditure. By the end of re-shoots and editing for theatrical release, an estimated $700k had been spent. Cloverfield cost $23M+, but it wasn't really shot all on an inexpensive handheld digital camera and involved a buttload of actors and extras plus some pretty elaborate visual and sound effects).

The season finale of House was shot entirely with the Canon 5D Mark II (http://philipbloom.co.uk/2010/04/10/house-season-finale-shot-entirely-with-canon-5dmkii/), a digital SLR that you can buy at any camera store for $2,500.

Very interesting. These digital still frame cameras with built in HD video are anything but easy to shoot with. The ergonomics just aren't made for it. Still, there are obvious advantages over using a consumer grade HD video camera, such as being able to use the Canon SLR lenses.

It sounds like they did this to enable them to work in "tight spaces". Wonder what the episode is about?

No EE tonight, looking really nice

Very interesting. These digital still frame cameras with built in HD video are anything but easy to shoot with. The ergonomics just aren't made for it.
That's why they have several kits that the camera screws into that makes them a lot easier to hold and attach to cinema gear.

Still, there are obvious advantages over using a consumer grade HD video camera, such as being able to use the Canon SLR lenses.
I think those lenses would be awful to pull focus with. The focus rings aren't really made for manual focusing.

The main problem I have is aliasing caused by the way the data is pulled off the sensor. Anything with a horizontal line will have a rainbow in it. It drives me nuts. I've heard they can eliminate these in post but I'll be watching for them in this episode.

OK, lets get back to the show rather than how the show was recorded.

Basically I thought tonight's episode was stupid and a waste. Foreman and Taub getting high on vicodin? Sure I buy that(not). Some divorce sex? Hmm, OK, whatever. Baby in the laundry too over the top. What was the point? The only fun part was Truth or Dare.

Yeah, it was practically a "throwaway" episode. Simply having to deal with Cameron's significant presence made it even worse for me.

Didn't some guy like die?

The parts with House were OK, and Wilson with 13 was good too, but the rest was not.

Taub and Foreman getting high? What the heck?

Yeah, that was a pretty weak episode. The missing baby was pretty silly, but Taub and Foreman was preposterous. House was barely in the episode and basically did nothing.