Maybe I was in a good mood tonight, but I enjoyed the show very much tonight. So man funny moments to list.

Did anyone hear House state "She has a meat mitten" when he was speaking with Wilson?

And now on to Jennifer Morrison. I had no idea she had such a nice body. And that kid had me crying when he grabbed her butt. I mean, he literally cupped one of her cheeks. Lucky little bastard. :D

Did anyone hear House state "She has a meat mitten" when he was speaking with Wilson?


while they were eating it wasn't meat muffin, I think it was "squish muffin". Unless that was some other line I missed. I've heard a lot of euphemisms before, but the mitten one was a first.

Some good one liners tonight.

Yep, "squish mitten" was it. I put CC on for that line as I couldn't understand it.

Same here, I kept playing it back and then went to captions because I couldn't understand what House said.

Still don't really understand it now, but it is funny!

"Do you have hair in your special place"?!

:D

It wasn't a great episode to me, but certainly better than the last few.

Okay episode. Another unbelievable diagnosis that this father, just by touching them could transmit that much. Oh well.

Some hilarous moments, especially liked the end with house smiling, he had me laughing just because how hard he was trying not to smile at Wilson. Some good exchanges between house and Wilson. It made the show.

"Really?"
"No."
:(
Classic.

"Do you have hair in your special place"?!

:D

In real life, had he said that, he would have been hauled in for being a child predator. You don't ask such things of kids, outside of an exam room with no parents or guardians around who know what is going on and why you are asking such questions, not even if you are House. That would make his "drug bust" pale in comparision. IMO the writers overstepped the line on that one.

In real life, had he said that, he would have been hauled in for being a child predator. You don't ask such things of kids, outside of an exam room with no parents or guardians around who know what is going on and why you are asking such questions, not even if you are House. That would make his "drug bust" pale in comparision. IMO the writers overstepped the line on that one.
It’s almost certainly true that no one could get away with saying, “Do you have hair in your special place?” in real life, but House, like all drama, requires a certain suspension of disbelief. This was one such time. I thought it worked because it was funny and illustrated House’s blunt, curmudgeonly nature.

I agree that a certain amount of suspension of belief is required in watching most TV dramas, but that it is OK. As an earlier poster opined, I thought this episode was fair, but House was at his most House-like (which is why many of us watch).

(From Marc Berman’s Wednesday, April 18, 2007, Programming Insider blog at Mediaweek.com )

“…Led by the one-two punch of American Idol and House, there was no stopping Fox on this third Tuesday in April. Dancing With the Stars-ignited ABC was second in both total viewers and adults 18-49, followed by CBS, NBC and The CW….
Fox’s House kept the winning momentum alive at 9 p.m., with 22.57 million viewers and a 9.1/22 among adults 18-49 (with retention out of American Idol of 79 percent in viewers and 92 percent among adults 18-49)….”

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data

http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/82710664

Wow. Sometimes it makes me sad that so many are getting so very little out of House. Just because you've never heard of something, how does that make it unrealistic in any way or that "belief must be suspended" in order to enjoy the show? :confused: Again, this isn't one of Fox's other, lesser dramas that look at reality and think, "Oh well, it doesn't matter, it moves the plot and that's convenient, so we'll just throw any semblance of reality out the window and hope our viewers either don't care or have the intelligence to notice." The fact that reality is NOT suspended is what speaks of the greatness of this show. The writers have done their research.

Think about it. House deals with RARE cases. If the condition and underlying situations that affect it were not uncommon, they wouldn't be seeing House in the first place. If you do 2 minutes worth of research, you'll easily find that ALL the suggestions that House and his team come up with are absolutely viable and 100% non-fictional. :o I'm certain there's no "suspension of belief" for those that survive these instances in real life or for the persons that treat them.

As to this week's "hair in your special place" line, House immediately confronts the day care worker with her own involvement and how it is affecting the children, creating a "maternal" concern that easily precludes any thoughts of his being a predator. It didn't hurt that he was privy to their secret trysts either. He never expected an answer to his over-the-top inquiry of the little girl, it was simply to make certain he had the adult's full attention without the hassle of formalities or pleasantries, which House detests.

The "moist muffin" line was good, but I preferred the "panty hamster" :D one, with particular laughs being garnered from his expression as the line was given. The fact that he got TWO lines in about female sacred parts within one episode made it even more special. The Wilson conversations were a direct mirror of that, with TWO phenomenal (and very character revealing) exchanges. Superb writing. The final scene with Cuddy and House was as spectacular as it was foretelling of things to come. :)

LOL.. House watches TNA wrestling :D

Wow. Sometimes it makes me sad that so many are getting so very little out of House. Just because you've never heard of something, how does that make it unrealistic in any way or that "belief must be suspended" in order to enjoy the show? :confused: Again, this isn't one of Fox's other, lesser dramas that look at reality and think, "Oh well, it doesn't matter, it moves the plot and that's convenient, so we'll just throw any semblance of reality out the window and hope our viewers either don't care or have the intelligence to notice." The fact that reality is NOT suspended is what speaks of the greatness of this show. The writers have done their research.

Mostly for me on the diagnosis it is just so unbelievable to the point of being to unrealistic for me to enjoy the conclusion to the show. For example, this episode. Not only would his skin have to be oozing this stuff out, it has to be enough to be absorbed by her or ingested. I believe house even said yes to the guy's question about shaking hands would do it. That was to unreal. Then everyone in the world would get what everyone else has ingested from all the touching and that isn't happening. Sometimes the results are to far out there to be believable. Some are great, some aren't. I can suspend belief and all, but it still ruins the build up thus hurting the show's quality, in my opinion.

I suggest reading up on pheromones in general, their properties, effects on children, ease and rates of transference, and other information before deciding or declaring that it's unbelievable. Proven case studies (on pheromones and their effects) done at viable sites reveal a plethora of things that are much, much more bizzare than the very real possibility of what took place in this week's episode.*

*This applies to all episodes of House, not just this week. As stated, the writers definitely do their homework.

Ignorance of the truth does not make it false. :confused:

As to this week's "hair in your special place" line, House immediately confronts the day care worker with her own involvement and how it is affecting the children, creating a "maternal" concern that easily precludes any thoughts of his being a predator. It didn't hurt that he was privy to their secret trysts either. He never expected an answer to his over-the-top inquiry of the little girl, it was simply to make certain he had the adult's full attention without the hassle of formalities or pleasantries, which House detests.



Well said Spyder! :)

Mostly for me on the diagnosis it is just so unbelievable to the point of being to unrealistic for me to enjoy the conclusion to the show.

but on the plus side at least House doesn't have a Star Trek hologram generator like they do on Bones!

LOL. Bones...yet another silly and laughable show, much like CSI: Miami/Dallas/Kissime/Winnamucca that leaves people thinking that DNA and fingerprints can be completely analyzed with the touch of a button and in a matter of seconds. Pure drivel.

Mostly for me on the diagnosis it is just so unbelievable to the point of being to unrealistic for me to enjoy the conclusion to the show. For example, this episode. Not only would his skin have to be oozing this stuff out, it has to be enough to be absorbed by her or ingested. I believe house even said yes to the guy's question about shaking hands would do it. That was to unreal. Then everyone in the world would get what everyone else has ingested from all the touching and that isn't happening. Sometimes the results are to far out there to be believable. Some are great, some aren't. I can suspend belief and all, but it still ruins the build up thus hurting the show's quality, in my opinion.

Do you touch a lot of people during the day? I don't. To me, it seems entirely logical that his children and their teacher would be the only people that suffered any noticeable side effects since they would be the only people who received a substantial amount of skin-to-skin contact with him. House even explains that the excretions wouldn't have as much affect on adults as it would on children (and note that it didn't have much effect on the teacher aside from a little lip hair), but I forget whether it was simply because they are so small or because they were "hormonally undeveloped" as it were. Or both.

Either way, casual handshakes and hugs aren't going to produce substantial side effects in grown people, particularly not grown men. Even if he were to play a heavily contact sport on a regular basis, it seems unlikely that anyone would notice a little extra facial hair or a slight increase in sexual desire. The only plausible critique you could make might be that the children's friends may also experience side effects, but given the father's apparent uneasiness with the fact of becoming a single parent, I seriously doubt that he was at all touchy-feely with his kids' play friends.

Was the end of the mystery unsatisfying? Maybe, if because it was an incredibly mundane and innocent explanation for their increasingly deadly symptoms. Certainly, most episodes reveal dark secrets and have big dramatic payoffs that explain away the ailment, so in that sense this episode was a downer, but it wasn't unrealistic.

The patient-of-the-week plot was clearly not as prominent to the story as it normally is, and served primarily (I think) as an attempt to draw out the child-like behavior and relationships that many of the regular characters have with each other: Cameron's childish/selfish interpretation of her relationship with Chase, Chase's boyish fascination with Cameron, House and Wilson's junior-high like friendship, and House, Wilson, and Cuddy's rather startingly immaturity when it comes to relationships with members of the opposite sex.

In all, I liked this episode a lot. The House-Wilson exchanges were hilarious.

Just watched this episode this afternoon.

I was really expecting the brother's nose bleed to somehow be related to his sister's condition.

Liked how Wilson jerked House around.

Hugh Laurie clearly deserves all the awards he has received (and will likely continue to receive).

Do you touch a lot of people during the day? I don't. To me, it seems entirely logical that his children and their teacher would be the only people that suffered any noticeable side effects since they would be the only people who received a substantial amount of skin-to-skin contact with him. House even explains that the excretions wouldn't have as much affect on adults as it would on children (and note that it didn't have much effect on the teacher aside from a little lip hair), but I forget whether it was simply because they are so small or because they were "hormonally undeveloped" as it were. Or both.

Either way, casual handshakes and hugs aren't going to produce substantial side effects in grown people, particularly not grown men. Even if he were to play a heavily contact sport on a regular basis, it seems unlikely that anyone would notice a little extra facial hair or a slight increase in sexual desire. The only plausible critique you could make might be that the children's friends may also experience side effects, but given the father's apparent uneasiness with the fact of becoming a single parent, I seriously doubt that he was at all touchy-feely with his kids' play friends.

Was the end of the mystery unsatisfying? Maybe, if because it was an incredibly mundane and innocent explanation for their increasingly deadly symptoms. Certainly, most episodes reveal dark secrets and have big dramatic payoffs that explain away the ailment, so in that sense this episode was a downer, but it wasn't unrealistic.

The patient-of-the-week plot was clearly not as prominent to the story as it normally is, and served primarily (I think) as an attempt to draw out the child-like behavior and relationships that many of the regular characters have with each other: Cameron's childish/selfish interpretation of her relationship with Chase, Chase's boyish fascination with Cameron, House and Wilson's junior-high like friendship, and House, Wilson, and Cuddy's rather startingly immaturity when it comes to relationships with members of the opposite sex.

In all, I liked this episode a lot. The House-Wilson exchanges were hilarious.
Superb post, with exacting logic and outstanding insight. Good job!

So why did it happen with these kids and this guy compared to the other millions of families in the world who hug, kiss, and hold their kids for hours every day. Wouldn't they be "transferring" a lot more, medicines, creams, etc.? What made it unique in this case, I never caught that part of the explanation. So can the guy never touch his kids again because they are going to always have this problem? Not sure I understand why it happened so dramatically in this case and not something that is more common.

The one thing I think the writers screwed up on was when they gave the little girl the vaginal examination. She had been in the hospital for two or three days already, and that's when they noticed the "cuts" during the exam.

Even if she had "shaved" the day of the accident, by the time of the exam, there would have been some stubble, and Cameron would have noticed it. That right there would have thrown the "puberty" flag.

The show is awesome! Even better in HD.

Cameron's butt looked oh so nice. You never notice it because most of the time she's wearing the jacket.

So why did it happen with these kids and this guy compared to the other millions of families in the world who hug, kiss, and hold their kids for hours every day. Wouldn't they be "transferring" a lot more, medicines, creams, etc.? What made it unique in this case, I never caught that part of the explanation. So can the guy never touch his kids again because they are going to always have this problem? Not sure I understand why it happened so dramatically in this case and not something that is more common.

Very few people are using megadoses of Adrogel. Maybe Barry Bond's kids might have this problem but not regular people.

It might have been more plausible if the Dad was showing some signs of Testosterone abuse. Maybe bitch tits and acne if not "'Roid rage". He seemed kind of effeminate for a testosterone abuser.

"Very few people are using megadoses of Adrogel. Maybe Barry Bond's kids might have this problem but not regular people.

It might have been more plausible if the Dad was showing some signs of Testosterone abuse. Maybe bitch tits and acne if not "'Roid rage". He seemed kind of effeminate for a testosterone abuser."


MANY men use Androgel to supplement or replace natural testosterone as this character was. Most are passed their athletic years too so no Barry Bonds issues. They are regular peeps too. No freaks. Just plain folk like you, maybe not, and me.
Just short on the stick (of testosterone)! Nothing to be ashamed of really. Happens to more men than we care to admit to. That's what age and health concerns can do to a guy in the real world.
It is not a measure of a man for sure. Unless you're 15!

The one thing I think the writers screwed up on was when they gave the little girl the vaginal examination. She had been in the hospital for two or three days already, and that's when they noticed the "cuts" during the exam.

Even if she had "shaved" the day of the accident, by the time of the exam, there would have been some stubble, and Cameron would have noticed it. That right there would have thrown the "puberty" flag.
Except that there was no reason to check there up to then. Also, since it was apparently her first time shaving (hence the cuts) the "stubble" would be nothing more than very fine hairs, not those comparable to that of an adult woman.

MANY men use Androgel to supplement or replace natural testosterone as this character was. Most are passed their athletic years too so no Barry Bonds issues. They are regular peeps too. No freaks. Just plain folk like you, maybe not, and me.
Just short on the stick (of testosterone)! Nothing to be ashamed of really. Happens to more men than we care to admit to. That's what age and health concerns can do to a guy in the real world.
It is not a measure of a man for sure. Unless you're 15!

House speculated that he was improperly using an illegally obtained testosterone supplement. Obviously, he was not just replacing naturally lost testosterone but boosting it to outrageous levels, and since this was testosterone rather than dianabol or some other anabolic the side effects would be spectacular.

If he had gone to a doctor and gotten an Androgel prescription there would not have been any problems, unless the kids actually applied it to themselves.

Cameron's childish/selfish interpretation of her relationship with Chase........

IMO, there's nothing childish or selfish about her understanding of their relationship. She has been forthright that it was only a physical thing from the beginning, and the selfish aspect is equal both ways. She probably presumed (correctly) that chase (the male) would not likely object to only a physical relationship since that sort of thing is often joked about as every man's dream. In the end, she was wrong about that, but its certainly not like she ever led him to believe it was anything more than just physical.

Overall, good post, but that was definitley a biased and unsupported opinion on Cameron.

>The worst part was that Cameron gave him a small opportunity to reestablish the physical relationship and he didn't take it! Maybe that little girl's dad should have hugged and kissed Chase a little too before he discontinued use.

MANY men use Androgel to supplement or replace natural testosterone as this character was. Most are passed their athletic years too so no Barry Bonds issues. They are regular peeps too. No freaks. Just plain folk like you, maybe not, and me.
Just short on the stick (of testosterone)! Nothing to be ashamed of really. Happens to more men than we care to admit to. That's what age and health concerns can do to a guy in the real world.
It is not a measure of a man for sure. Unless you're 15!

Shaun Micheel, PGA Tour Pro, winner of the 2003 PGA Chamionship found that he had extremely low testosterone levels which was effecting not only his relationship with friends and family, but his golf game as well.
This is from Wikipedia:
In April 2005, after experiencing months of fatigue, mood changes, and poor play, Micheel began treatment for low testosterone ("Low T", or hypogonadism). He claimed that his testosterone levels had declined to those of "a man in his mid-70s." After beginning treatment, his testosterone levels returned to normal, and he reported that his drive and energy had also returned. His condition was widely publicized during the coverage of the 2006 PGA Championship.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaun_Micheel

Also: GolfOnline article (http://www.golfonline.com/golfonline/tours/pgachamp/article/0,17742,1225564,00.html)

IMO, there's nothing childish or selfish about her [Cameron’s] understanding of [her] relationship [with Chase]. She has been forthright that it was only a physical thing from the beginning, and the selfish aspect is equal both ways. She probably presumed (correctly) that chase (the male) would not likely object to only a physical relationship since that sort of thing is often joked about as every man's dream. In the end, she was wrong about that, but its certainly not like she ever led him to believe it was anything more than just physical.
I think that Cameron is deeply attracted to Chase, both physically and emotionally, but is in denial about it. I believe that Chase thinks so, too. It seems to me that Cameron’s resistance to taking their relationship further is a fear of commitment. It will be interesting to see what the writers do with this.

Prediction: Cameron will fall head over heels for Chase at the exact moment that he stops pining for her and finds himself a new love interest. You know, typical woman behavior. ;)

Prediction: Cameron will fall head over heels for Chase at the exact moment that he stops pining for her and finds himself a new love interest. You know, typical woman behavior. ;)
I disagree. I bet something awful happens to Chase and Cameron must fix him. But he wont let her. A complete 180 that this relationship desperately needs.

Maybe. Chase is about the only one that hasn't had some gawd-awful disease yet (or at least the threat of one). ;)

Prediction: Cameron will fall head over heels for Chase at the exact moment that he stops pining for her and finds himself a new love interest. You know, typical woman behavior. ;)

Now this could happen. But as long as he "keeps wanting more", it ain't gonna happen.

I wished they would just hook Forman and Cameron up. Cameron and Chase are so boring to see.

I wished they would just hook Forman and Cameron up. Cameron and Chase are so boring to see.

That's not going to happen. Forman looks after Cameron, like an older brother. If they hook up, that would just be a little weird.

Now, Cameron and Wilson (or Cameron and Cuddy!), that would be interesting.

That's not going to happen..Cameron and Cuddy!...
That's not going to happen. Cameron doesn't have the "man juice" Cuddy is looking for right now. :D

Slightly OT but aren't the two actors playing Cameron and Chase engaged or something to that effect? Thought I read it or saw it somewhere a while back.

Yes they are

I thought that this was a very strong episode. It takes a lot of nerve to deal with failure and tragedy but the House folks did that tonight and did it well, I thought. In this regard this week’s story reminded me of the sort of thing they used to do on ER when it was still at the top of its game, five or six years ago.

Very different episode tonight. Very introspective and was a very welcome break
from the usual formulaic episode (but I still enjoy them). The "houseisms" were kept to a miminum tonight (although there were still some). All in all a very well done episode that dealt with a very difficult issue for which there is no easy answers or miracle cures.

Wow. I really enjoyed that episode. Omar Epps did a wonderful job tonight.

yep a great episode and change of pace. From this episode and last week are we seeing a permanent shift towards more episodes that revolve around the characters rather than the mystery ailment of the week?

"There is porn piling up on the Internet. It's not going to download itself!" :D

"I have to go out".

"Why?"

"Wilson has a date!"

:D

This was good stuff. Sometimes people just die. The House/Cuddy flirting was cool too. Man, what an arse.

I became a regular, weekly House viewer kinda late, halfway or so through last season. Was this the first patient of House's team to have died?

No. Several have died (rabies, cancer), though this is the first of a blown diagnosis.

There was one from a while back with Cameron assisting with the death of a patient that was really powerful as well. As others have posted, I think the episodes of the last few weeks have really taken a dramatic shift from the usual formula that we all know by rote now. Fantastic performance by Foreman's character, thought House was going to be real snarky to him but he actually reigned himself in this time and let him feel the gravity of the situation without making light of it.
Nice House-Wilson-Wilson's Ex arc they got going there. HECTOR- hilarious!

Just couldn't get into this week's episode. My wife even fell asleep during it. I do enjoy the House/Wilson banter but the rest I couldn't get into. At least it didn't end in a non-believable ending (in my opinion), and was rather nice to see them getting it wrong and the impact, but overall, not a top performing episode for me.

I really enjoyed seeing the little glimpse into the personal motivations of the characters. The most fascinating was Wilson. If he is not as calculating as House, he might be more emotionally detached and seems to have a love life the mirrors Cameron's. He will go after women that he thinks needs him, employing the same "empathy" that he uses with patients. Even Foreman noticed how Wilson has things down to a science when dealing with dieing patients. Once Wilson runs out of stock emotions, the real Wilson is somewhat empty.

I'm glad they changed it up a bit, but this was still a pretty weak episode to me. House was barely in it and hardly practiced any medicine. And I would have thought by now that the team would thoroughly examine their patients and easily find the bra clasp wound. I did like seeing Wilson's ex and I hope we get to see the dog next week.

That was a nasty bra clasp wound. Odd that the patient didn't bring it up.

I really enjoyed seeing the little glimpse into the personal motivations of the characters. The most fascinating was Wilson. If he is not as calculating as House, he might be more emotionally detached and seems to have a love life the mirrors Cameron's. He will go after women that he thinks needs him, employing the same "empathy" that he uses with patients. Even Foreman noticed how Wilson has things down to a science when dealing with dieing patients. Once Wilson runs out of stock emotions, the real Wilson is somewhat empty.

I think this is a good analysis of what we are seeing from Wilson's character.

I think this was one of the best episodes in a while. Excellent writing, excellent acting.

Mods >> If this is more suitable in a local forum, let me know and I'll post there.

A friend of mine that lives in Dallas Metro area is addicted to House. However, this past Tuesday is the second in about 3 weeks that she isn't able to watch House due to the threat of a tornado that causes Fox to cut the broadcast to show the tornado alerts. Does anyone know what happens when a situation like this occur? Does Fox, the corporation, allow the local affiliates to rebroadcast it say, in the early am hours, like My Network NY does when its regular "national" programming is preempted by the Nets or the Yankees?

That was a nasty bra clasp wound. Odd that the patient didn't bring it up.
A patient like that in the hospital would receive a full-body check at least once per day. That wound would have absolutely been found before they went ahead with the radiation.

I enjoyed this episode!

It showed that House is not perfect and that even the most hard to diagnose cases can be something simple (although most of this patients issues are simple... like the toothpic one).

Next week looks good as well.

My favorite episode is still the series with him going against the detective.

The House/Wilson/Cuddy stuff I really enjoyed. Other than that, the show definitely loses some of its appeal when they flunk the diagnosis and don't do anything but watch the patient die for a half an hour.

Given the previews for next week, it looks like they're setting up a story arc for Foreman, which is nice. The two-parter last season with Foreman was top notch.

...Does Fox, the corporation, allow the local affiliates to rebroadcast it...?
Yes. A similar thing happened earlier here with Heroes and an alert on "breaking news" that a kid was possibly kidnapped and had gotten in a van with someone. They interrupted the show again, and again, and again, every five minutes, then finally cutting away completely for the last 20 minutes to do an "indepth review" of the situation. Amazingly, the craptacular Studio 60 was not plagued by such pleas for public help whatsoever. :confused:

If it sounds as though I'm taking this "tragedy" lightly, it's because the situation turned out to be exactly what I thought. The kid got in a van with some friends. The parents, cops, and everyone else went completely overboard in panic without any facts. The end. NBC rebroadcast the show later that week, as they got thousands upon thousands of complaints and a scathing story in the newspaper about the hypocrisy of interrupting one of the few shows keeping NBC afloat, while leaving the fading 60 intact. What should have happened, was to delay ALL the programming 20 minutes, keeping on time and with Heroes intact, and cutting the news hour the 20 minutes they felt necessary with their sensationalistic and irresponsible report in an attempt to get a scoop. :mad:

Yes, a very good episode with good scenes for all. And I agree the precise science of Wilson's approach to emotion was very telling about the character. He deals with real emotion in his "outside" world very ineptly, yet has the hardest emotional jobs (telling others of their impending death, etc) down to a precise science of understanding and even including when, where and how to "touch" the patient - physically, if not emotionally. Very interesting.

Yes, a very good episode with good scenes for all. And I agree the precise science of Wilson's approach to emotion was very telling about the character. He deals with real emotion in his "outside" world very ineptly, yet has the hardest emotional jobs (telling others of their impending death, etc) down to a precise science of understanding and even including when, where and how to "touch" the patient - physically, if not emotionally. Very interesting.

I loved contrast of how good Wilson is at this, compared to the scene when Foreman (using Wilson's advice) reached out and touched his patient, only to have her scream at him to "get your damn hands off of me"!

Good episode last night. I am really interested in how this Foreman thing works out.

I didn't like it. I'm sick of House looking ordinary. It seems like he hasn't solved a case in over a month and he doesn't even practice medicine anymore. I swear he was less distracted during the Tritter saga.

The thing that bothers me is House has gone from this guy who was brilliant and could solve anything to being pushed around by his subordinates. If any of my employees ever went against me as much as they do, I would fire them on the spot. They undermine him constantly and go behind his back. Its seems to of been getting worse.

I hope foreman goes and its just not a ploy for some kind of finale and he really comes back. Tired of his back and forth and questioning everything.

If House's game plan is to truly be a mentor, then he is succeeding. His staff is starting to think for themselves, and go against him when they think he is wrong---precisely what he does.

He has turned them from being good doctors to ones who make extraordiary decisions----again very much like him. I thought that was the whole point with Foreman. He realized that he had become House.

Door slam.

"Yipe!"

:)

Now the dog has House's limp.

petergaryr: I totally agree. Foreman has acted like House before. They've pointed out on several ocasions just how similar they are (including their taste in shoes.) It took him putting a patient through physical anguish to figure it out for himself. He really hit the nail on the head when he said that he was doing what he knew was right regardless of what the patient wanted. The realization that he was turning into something he hated (House) is exactly why he wants to get away from him. And I think that it's exactly what will bring him back. I don't forsee Forman being gone for more than episode or so. He'll realize that in being like House, he can't effectively practice without him. Just like House needs his team to fight with (a la the other passengers on the plane) Foreman will need somebody just as strong willed as him to make him think. That's where his, and House's, creativity and insight come from.

petergaryr: I totally agree. Foreman has acted like House before. They've pointed out on several ocasions just how similar they are (including their taste in shoes.) It took him putting a patient through physical anguish to figure it out for himself. He really hit the nail on the head when he said that he was doing what he knew was right regardless of what the patient wanted. The realization that he was turning into something he hated (House) is exactly why he wants to get away from him. And I think that it's exactly what will bring him back. I don't forsee Forman being gone for more than episode or so. He'll realize that in being like House, he can't effectively practice without him. Just like House needs his team to fight with (a la the other passengers on the plane) Foreman will need somebody just as strong willed as him to make him think. That's where his, and House's, creativity and insight come from.

That's a painful life lesson. We sometimes find we are like, and need, the person we dislike. It makes for great drama around the dinner table.

As I've said before, House wants a companion/counterpart that will challenge him, not lap dogs (even literally, considering last episode) and Foreman is the closest one out of the three to achieve that status. If Epps leaves the show, I'm going to be pissed, as they will be losing a superb actor and the banter will be missed greatly.

For those that think it's silly that House's staff question him, consider why he hired them in the first place...to question him. If not, he'd just work alone and never worry about a consult from anyone. You can't just go firing your staff if you're House every time they show initiative, just like if you're his staff you don't go walking out every time he berates you. For those that must have missed it, House said he was going to fire Foreman for being TIMID rather than anything else. He wants them empowered enough to act on their own. He's a mentor, not a dictator, and he's also secure enough with himself to be questioned without it being some sort of threat.

Door slam.

"Yipe!"

:)

Now the dog has House's limp.

Hmm, I would think the dog would make a much more hairing cry if it's leg was slammed in the door. I'd rather take the position that the dog was mimicking House out of affection, rather than hobbled by a slammed door.

I'll echo the concern that it seems like we've been several weeks without a House epiphany to save the day. I like his epiphanies. I think it's been four, maybe five weeks without a genuine one. The last one I can remember was with the testosterone cream, and that wasn't particularly satisfying. Other than that, we had Foreman/Wilson this week, Cuddy with the pregnant lady, failure last week with the bra clasp... It's been too long.

If House's game plan is to truly be a mentor, then he is succeeding. His staff is starting to think for themselves, and go against him when they think he is wrong---precisely what he does.

He has turned them from being good doctors to ones who make extraordiary decisions----again very much like him. I thought that was the whole point with Foreman. He realized that he had become House.


If this is the writers' plan, then I hope Foreman really is gone and they bring in a new intern to train. It would certainly freshen up the show. For the past several weeks, all of the current characters have been either boring or annoying and House himself has not looked smart at all.

Wow. No pleasing anyone, I guess. First, we get, "I'm tired of House coming up with the diagnosis based on some random event and the patient is fine" and now we have people saying, "I'm tired of House not coming up with the diagnosis and the patient dies/etc." :confused:

Hmm, I would think the dog would make a much more hairing cry if it's leg was slammed in the door. I'd rather take the position that the dog was mimicking House out of affection, rather than hobbled by a slammed door.

I think they mentioned that the dog already had arthritis.

Wow. No pleasing anyone, I guess. First, we get, "I'm tired of House coming up with the diagnosis based on some random event and the patient is fine" and now we have people saying, "I'm tired of House not coming up with the diagnosis and the patient dies/etc." :confused:

Guess you never know what you miss until its gone. :D

I wish House would spend more time back in the clinic. Some of his best lines came during the exams there.

Wow. Last night episode was really tugging on the heart strings. So many terrible diseases out there. :(

petergaryr: I totally agree. Foreman has acted like House before. They've pointed out on several ocasions just how similar they are (including their taste in shoes.) It took him putting a patient through physical anguish to figure it out for himself. He really hit the nail on the head when he said that he was doing what he knew was right regardless of what the patient wanted. The realization that he was turning into something he hated (House) is exactly why he wants to get away from him. And I think that it's exactly what will bring him back. I don't forsee Forman being gone for more than episode or so. He'll realize that in being like House, he can't effectively practice without him. Just like House needs his team to fight with (a la the other passengers on the plane) Foreman will need somebody just as strong willed as him to make him think. That's where his, and House's, creativity and insight come from.

Well said.

Foreman is House's strongest "challenger" by far. Cameron and Chase are weak by comparison. No way will the Foreman character leave the show. Too much of it's success depends on that relationship. Not to mention what an excellent actor Epps is.

The thing that bothers me is House has gone from this guy who was brilliant and could solve anything to being pushed around by his subordinates. If any of my employees ever went against me as much as they do, I would fire them on the spot. They undermine him constantly and go behind his back. Its seems to of been getting worse.

I hope foreman goes and its just not a ploy for some kind of finale and he really comes back. Tired of his back and forth and questioning everything.

I think the point is he's teaching them to do what's "right," even if it means braking the rules, his rules. It's not insubordination to him.

Well said.

Foreman is House's strongest "challenger" by far. Cameron and Chase are weak by comparison. No way will the Foreman character leave the show. Too much of it's success depends on that relationship. Not to mention what an excellent actor Epps is.

Yes, I really enjoy the dynamic between House and Eric. Having Greg figure out every case would make the show too one dimensional IMHO.

I think the point is he's teaching them to do what's "right," even if it means braking the rules, his rules. It's not insubordination to him.

Correct. It is what has made him successful, the overused "thinking out of the box".

I'm all for a little change, but it seems like House has been in a rut since at least January. I'd like to see him look brilliant at least once before the end of the season.

I like Foreman but in the long run would it be better to occasionaly shuffle in new people to work under House? Otherwise I see this show becoming stale and not lasting more than 5-6 seasons.

Good episode.

I like Foreman. He's a great character, very complex. What I can't figure out is why a freakin' BRAIN SURGEON is staying on that team, being browbeaten by House, when he could be out getting rich? Is masochism another aspect of his complex character?

I think what could work for the show to make it realistic and still keep Omar Epps on the show, is to have Foreman "graduate" from House's mentoring and be given a neurology department head position at the hospital. He could be a character like Wilson who is there every week, but who heads up his own department. You could have a story line where Cameron and Chase are extremely p!ssed that Foreman got that position while they are still stuck being mentored by House. You could also then add another doctor to be mentored in Foreman's place. I think it would provide A LOT more material and keep things realistic. What do you guys think?

Well, we definitely know something is up, given the impish grin by House at the end of the last episode.

Well, we definitely know something is up, given the impish grin by House at the end of the last episode.

I took that "impish grin" by House to mean that he was pleased that Foreman got his balls back.

I took that "impish grin" by House to mean that he was pleased that Foreman got his balls back.

me too. did i miss something?

Another possibility to explain the recent "Foreman episodes" is that the writers are giving Epps a shot at winning his own Emmy. As many have posted, the Foreman-House tension is an important part of the show, and I would hate to lose that.

I like Foreman. He's a great character, very complex. What I can't figure out is why a freakin' BRAIN SURGEON is staying on that team, being browbeaten by House, when he could be out getting rich? Is masochism another aspect of his complex character?

Well, he's a Neurologist not a Neurosurgeon for one. Massive income is not the Hallmark of that field. He could be staying because he's signed a contract for a specified length of time (not too likely if he's given a 2 week notice), He could still feel like House can teach him something despite the treatment, maybe he doesn't think at his age he could get a better overall job in another hospital, if he really looking down the line for a Head Job then quitting House might look like a black mark (We really don't know House's Academic reputation in the Medical Field), House does get interesting cases since he cherry picks and maybe Foreman doesn't think he would like working at a real Neurology Department where 99% of the cases are routine and boring for the adrenaline junkie.

Or it could be a teminal case of Jessica Rabbit Syndrome.

I just realized that House is on Fox on Tuesday nights and then that same episode is on USA ten nights later. Am I correct about that? Isn't that unusual? I watch so little network TV that I don't know if other shows do the same, but I would doubt it. Wonder why the odd arrangement.

I just realized that House is on Fox on Tuesday nights and then that same episode is on USA ten nights later. Am I correct about that? Isn't that unusual? I watch so little network TV that I don't know if other shows do the same, but I would doubt it. Wonder why the odd arrangement.

That has been the typical pattern (although sometimes they show an episode from an earlier season for some reason on USA. USA has been doing the Friday and Saturday at 10 PM for a while).

Can anyone give me a recap of tonights ending? For some reason my signal broke up totally during the "reveal" Right after House realized that the girl did not take the bad news the correct way. Loved the way House got "dosed".

did anyone else have problems tonight? The way it broke up seemed a bit odd, I'm wondering if it was on the network end.

Loved this episode.

The interaction between House and Foreman, and House and Wilson was quite good tonight.

Can anyone give me a recap of tonights ending?
The girl had tried to kill herself by putting drain cleaner in a gel cap and swallowing it. It made a hole somewhere (can't remember where) in her body, which was repaired by scar tissue. The scar tissue bridged together a blood vessel and some other "line" that carried out bacteria, which allowed the bacteria to be dumped directly into her bloodstream. She had surgery to repair the problem, and was fine.

House just pulled it out of his ass, and was correct. I think that was a bit on the lame side, but whatever.

Loved this episode.

The interaction between House and Foreman, and House and Wilson was quite good tonight.
I thought it was outstanding as well, Wilson was hilarious while being amped up, and the way Wilson and House mess with each other is some of the best TV around, great stuff. :)

Probably the best episode since last fall, although Foreman's pouting was annoying. Seems like Chase is really trying hard to become House with his Sherlock Holmes-like observations of the Foreman-House situation.

Probably the best episode since last fall, although Foreman's pouting was annoying. Seems like Chase is really trying hard to become House with his Sherlock Holmes-like observations of the Foreman-House situation.

I agree, and I'm glad Sean Leonard got to show off a little - he was truly hysterical. Didn't care for Forman’s comment to Chase about not liking him - didn't quite understand it. Although Chase didn't react at all, as if he understood him. Or maybe he's a bit immune to stuff like that, like House is. Be cool to see Chase actually inherit the House mantel, maybe, instead of presumptive heir Forman. Or, maybe they're all turning into House, in their own way - as Cuddy said to Forman, you could turn into worse. How subtle...love this show.

Wilson and House make one of the best "buddy" teams since Sam and Al [Quantum Leap for non-fans!].

Wilson's scene when he was amped up was freaking hilarous. I loved it so much.

This show makes me want Foreman to leave even more. If he is that stupid/dense to not realize how much he has gained by being around House then see ya.

Chase is getting better writing lately. Now he's obviously sucking up to House, and everyone else is reacting to him.

That comment Foreman made to Chase about not liking him and never will was really cold and uncalled for. I mean we all work with people we can't stand but damn, he didn't have to be that cold. Considering the amount of time the characters spend together while doing all the tests etc. its strange that his character has that much disdain for Chase.
I also liked the Wilson/House scenes the last few episodes, those two really play of each other well.

Wilson's scene when he was amped up was freaking hilarous. I loved it so much.
It was funny, but I think the idea of doctors "dosing" each other for the fun of it or even to reveal some medical truth stretches credibility a bit. It's one thing for a doctor to fool around with drugs on himself, but to do it to another doctor...I dunno...

That comment Foreman made to Chase about not liking him and never will was really cold and uncalled for. I mean we all work with people we can't stand but damn, he didn't have to be that cold. Considering the amount of time the characters spend together while doing all the tests etc. its strange that his character has that much disdain for Chase.
I also liked the Wilson/House scenes the last few episodes, those two really play of each other well.

Wasn't that one more incident to show Foreman was becoming more "House-like"? In a recent re-run, House looked Cameron directly in the eye and said he didn't like her.

That comment Foreman made to Chase about not liking him and never will was really cold and uncalled for. I mean we all work with people we can't stand but damn, he didn't have to be that cold. Considering the amount of time the characters spend together while doing all the tests etc. its strange that his character has that much disdain for Chase.
I also liked the Wilson/House scenes the last few episodes, those two really play of each other well.

And he's done it before. Last season he told Cameron she was not a friend but a colleague. Very cold. And more like House, of course. But again they're all becoming him, in their own ways - and they're the better for it (I think), that is, better doctors, better at do what's right.

No ways Forman's going to leave, though. Unless some contract's up that I'm not aware of.

Yeah, Foreman is not leaving.

"House" had 21.55 million viewers last night (according to the Nielsen fast national ratings) and retained a remarkable (and almost unheard of) 100% of the 18-49 demo lead in it had from "American Idol".

Even though the "AI" (18-49) numbers are slipping (down 10% from the previous week, almost 20% from last year) "House contiunues to stay at or near record ratings levels.

Awesome. Plus they don't count me who watches it from a DVR about 20 minutes into the show.

Awesome. Plus they don't count me who watches it from a DVR about 20 minutes into the show.

Actually, if you were a Nielsen family you would have been counted.

The overnights count anyone who watched the show live or on a DVR until 3 AM.

In two weeks, Nielsen announces all those who watched it either live or within a week of its original airing.

"House" had 21.55 million viewers last night (according to the Nielsen fast national ratings) and retained a remarkable (and almost unheard of) 100% of the 18-49 demo lead in it had from "American Idol".

Even though the "AI" (18-49) numbers are slipping (down 10% from the previous week, almost 20% from last year) "House contiunues to stay at or near record ratings levels.

Glad to hear it! :cool:

Who do I have to bribe to become a nielson family? ;)

Didn't care for Forman’s comment to Chase about not liking him - didn't quite understand it. Although Chase didn't react at all, as if he understood him.

It seemed to me like Foreman was just trying to distance himself to make it easier to leave when his two weeks is up. That would go hand in hand with what Chase said about Foreman not really wanting to leave. And, ironically, is very House-like.

It seemed to me like Foreman was just trying to distance himself to make it easier to leave when his two weeks is up. That would go hand in hand with what Chase said about Foreman not really wanting to leave. And, ironically, is very House-like.

Yeah I agree with that, too, but hard to tell with his character. Hope you're right.

Another article regarding House's very impressive ratings numbers:

May 9, 2007
'House' Matches 'Idol' For First Time

By James Hibberd
Fox's medical drama "House" matched its "American Idol" lead-in for the first time Tuesday night.

"House," which is arguably the only returning network drama to have significantly gained ratings strength this season, earned an 8.9 rating among adults 18 to 49, according to preliminary Nielsens.

"Idol" scored the same, though its rating is down 13 percent from last week. Since "Idol" typically runs over about two minutes into "House," however, the numbers will likely shift slightly in the nationals.

The figures put Fox over the top yet again, winning the night in the demo and among households.

ABC and CBS tied for second place, with ABC offering the one-hour season finale of "George Lopez" (1.6), the "Dancing With the Stars" results show (4.1) and "Boston Legal" (2.7).

CBS aired "NCIS" (3.1), the season finale of "The Unit" (3.1) and a "Without a Trace" repeat (2.2).

In fourth place, NBC had "Dateline" (1.4), "Law & Order: Criminal Intent" (2.0) and "Law & Order: SVU" (3.7).

On The CW, there was "Gilmore Girls" (1.8) and "Veronica Mars" (0.9).

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=12026

Amazingly, I thought this week's episode was one of, if not THE worst ever. Detatched characters, shoddy plot, overacting, forced scenes, and many, many elements that weren't congruent with the tone of what we've seen in the past 2.9 years. It was almost as though they had different writers and a completely new producer/director/editor this week. Far from what I've come to expect from this excellent show.

Even the best of them has an off day, I guess. One out of 50 certainly isn't bad though.

I thought it was outstanding as well, Wilson was hilarious while being amped up, and the way Wilson and House mess with each other is some of the best TV around, great stuff. :)
I agree. I particularly enjoyed Wilson’s zoned-out attempt to give a young woman a breast exam while he was fumbling with one latex glove.

I agree. I particularly enjoyed Wilson’s zoned-out attempt to give a young woman a breast exam while he was fumbling with one latex glove.

"I just winked at you!"

Comments on tonights episode?

"I can walk".

"I don't pee blood "!

Hmmm. Decent episode, but far short of some other recent ones (excluding the senseless debacle last week).

Hmmm. Decent episode, but far short of some other recent ones (excluding the senseless debacle last week).

I liked last week's episode a lot, but this week's fell flat for me, like a missed opportunity. Not much wit or energy. It almost seemed like a midpoint episode, to be followed next time by the Forman story arc and season conclusion. I don't know how they managed to come up with 24 basically suburb episodes a year for the first two years, but this season's a misfire, starting with the overlong, depressing Tritter arc. Maybe 24 are too many; it'd be nice if the thing were on HBO and they created 12 or 15 masterpieces a year - instead of the hit and miss of this season.

How did House come up with the iron accumulation diagnosis? Was Chase holding the chess piece his clue - a war game signifying battle, knights, armor...metal? And the kid eating meat. Subtle and cool if true. But it doesn't make up for lackluster writing. Here's hoping the conclusion is a tour de force.

I agree it was a missed opportunity-it could have been much more amusing. And Foreman is really getting annoying. I hope he does leave and they bring in someone new for House to browbeat.

How did House come up with the iron accumulation diagnosis? Was Chase holding the chess piece his clue - a war game signifying battle, knights, armor...metal? And the kid eating meat. Subtle and cool if true. But it doesn't make up for lackluster writing. Here's hoping the conclusion is a tour de force.

Chase was tapping the chess piece holding it between his index and middle finger, just as the boy moves his chess pieces. House handed the kid a chess piece and saw that he didn't use his thumb at all, he then bent the kids thumb which cause extreme pain.

I've only been watching the show for a few months now, but I thought this was hilarious.

Best laugh for me: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda.

That kid had me cracking up. Some serious good lines.

Rumor is that the show's creators are weighing if they should wipe the slate clean and get rid of all of House's co-doctors (none of their contracts are renwed) and give him all new fresh characters to interact with.

I thought about it, I think that would be a good idea. The show is all about HOUSE. Its him that makes the show. Giving him new characters to interact with would refresh the show and add new story lines.

WilliamR

I agree with you. Its about time to dump the current crew and start off with a bunch of truely disfunctional people. Maybe this time around, House can be the straight man and the other docs can be the comics.

Last night my wife and I watched last week's episode as well as last night's. We loved the dosing of Wilson, thought that was hilarious when he was blabbing non-stop and couldn't figure out the words...

Last night's episode was a little strange, with the mini-me version of House. I have to say that it made me feel really sorry for the mom (I assume it was designed to do that) because I can't imagine dealing with a kid half as bad as him. I also don't think I personally have ever seen a kid like that, which is good. I would think that any kids that are like that are that way because of their parents or environment, but I don't see that in this case. Horrible kid.

Best laugh for me: In-A-Gadda-Da-Vidda.

I was rolling on that one!

Overall this episode did fall short for me. Last weeks was better. There were a decent amount of one-liners though.

Hopefully the season finale will be good enough to hold us over until next season.

That kid had me cracking up. Some serious good lines.

Rumor is that the show's creators are weighing if they should wipe the slate clean and get rid of all of House's co-doctors (none of their contracts are renwed) and give him all new fresh characters to interact with.

I thought about it, I think that would be a good idea. The show is all about HOUSE. Its him that makes the show. Giving him new characters to interact with would refresh the show and add new story lines.

They would be committing suicide if they decide to start the show clean. Many people have invested their time in other characters besides House. I personally don't watch the show just to see Hugh Laurie play House every week.

One word: Cameron.

A first: Fox's 'House' outpulls hit 'Idol'
Medical drama averages a 9.2 rating in adults 18-49s
By Toni Fitzgerald MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer Wednesday, May 16, 2007

For the first time ever, “House” topped its “American Idol” lead-in last night, by the thinnest of margins. It was the first time any “Idol” lead-out has ever built on the reality singing competition, and it comes after weeks of declining ratings for “Idol.”

“House” averaged a 9.2 rating among adults 18-49 last night, according to Nielsen overnights, 0.3 ahead of “Idol.”

Those represent early numbers based on timeslot and not program data, and it’s possible that “House” could fall back a bit, as “Idol” usually runs a few minutes past its 9 p.m. end time.

But it comes a week after “House” scored the highest retention ever out of “Idol,” 96 percent. And “House” actually rose a bit in its second half hour, from a 9.1 to a 9.3, suggesting that its rating may hold for final numbers.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_12147.asp

They would be committing suicide if they decide to start the show clean. Many people have invested their time in other characters besides House. I personally don't watch the show just to see Hugh Laurie play House every week.

Hmmm, I disagree (at least for me). I DO watch it every week for what House will do next, what will he get into, out of, etc. When they have the stories about Cameron and Chase, etc. feels weak and not important and I wish it would hurry up and get back to House.

A first: Fox's 'House' outpulls hit 'Idol'
Medical drama averages a 9.2 rating in adults 18-49s
By Toni Fitzgerald MediaLifeMagazine.com staff writer Wednesday, May 16, 2007

For the first time ever, “House” topped its “American Idol” lead-in last night, by the thinnest of margins. It was the first time any “Idol” lead-out has ever built on the reality singing competition, and it comes after weeks of declining ratings for “Idol.”

“House” averaged a 9.2 rating among adults 18-49 last night, according to Nielsen overnights, 0.3 ahead of “Idol.”

Those represent early numbers based on timeslot and not program data, and it’s possible that “House” could fall back a bit, as “Idol” usually runs a few minutes past its 9 p.m. end time.

But it comes a week after “House” scored the highest retention ever out of “Idol,” 96 percent. And “House” actually rose a bit in its second half hour, from a 9.1 to a 9.3, suggesting that its rating may hold for final numbers.

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/artman/publish/article_12147.asp

I'm in a house that skips American Idol (and all reality, trash TV) and then tunes in for House. I also hate that Idol also runs until a minute or two after 9pm.

For the first time ever, “House” topped its “American Idol” lead-in last night, by the thinnest of margins. It was the first time any “Idol” lead-out has ever built on the reality singing competition, and it comes after weeks of declining ratings for “Idol.”
Hopefully, these are not brand new viewers to the show, as the past two weeks have been astoundingly pale compared to previous episodes (excluding the overdone Tritter plotline fiasco). I know if I were just tuning in for the first time, I'd certainly wonder why the show was so popular.

Chase was tapping the chess piece holding it between his index and middle finger, just as the boy moves his chess pieces. House handed the kid a chess piece and saw that he didn't use his thumb at all, he then bent the kids thumb which cause extreme pain.

I've only been watching the show for a few months now, but I thought this was hilarious.

Yes you're right, forgot that. Still thought the show seemed forced, though.

Well, the final overnight Nielsens show "House" just missed beating "American Idol" in the 18-49 demo.

American Idol
- 24.234 million viewers
- 14.1/23 HH
- 9.4/26 A18-49

House (9:02pm, 59 minutes)
- 21.188 million viewers
- 12.4/19 HH
- 9.2/23 A18-49

• Source: Nielsen Media Research data
(From Travis Yunan at Marc Berman’s Programming Insider blog)
http://pifeedback.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/63310451/m/57910225/p/8

Hopefully, these are not brand new viewers to the show, as the past two weeks have been astoundingly pale compared to previous episodes (excluding the overdone Tritter plotline fiasco). I know if I were just tuning in for the first time, I'd certainly wonder why the show was so popular.

Funny you say this. I was talking to a co-worker today, who had watched House for the first time last night. He LOVED it! He was cracking up at the comments that they got away with on the show, including the exchange between the patient and Foreman: "So, are people really careful with what they say around you"? "You mean because I'm Black"? "No, because you're Gay"! He thought that was a hilarious exchange, and couldn't believe his ears. He plans to watch the season finale as well.

Well, such a line is good for House, but the whole Foreman business is getting a little tiring. He doesn't want to be like House, but yet he does. House nailed it with the line that if Foreman were ready to leave, he would have ignored House and followed his own diagnosis.
I think a new character is needed to be a foil for House (but for Gods sake, not Tritter!!!!!!).

Well, such a line is good for House, but the whole Foreman business is getting a little tiring. He doesn't want to be like House, but yet he does. House nailed it with the line that if Foreman were ready to leave, he would have ignored House and followed his own diagnosis.
I think a new character is needed to be a foil for House (but for Gods sake, not Tritter!!!!!!).

As you said yourself, "House nailed it" when he said Foreman wasn't ready to leave. So Foreman shouldn't be going anywhere. And I am confident that he won't. I don't think the Foreman character, and his relationship with House, is tiring at all.

Funny you say this. I was talking to a co-worker today, who had watched House for the first time last night. He LOVED it! He was cracking up at the comments that they got away with on the show, including the exchange between the patient and Foreman: "So, are people really careful with what they say around you"? "You mean because I'm Black"? "No, because you're Gay"! He thought that was a hilarious exchange, and couldn't believe his ears. He plans to watch the season finale as well.
Buuuuuut...imagine the sheer joy he's going to get by going back and watching the previous episodes if he thought this past week was even remotely good. IMO, the past two weeks were two of the three worst, excluding the Tritter shows, which I don't even count because they were so abysmal.

Buuuuuut...imagine the sheer joy he's going to get by going back and watching the previous episodes if he thought this past week was even remotely good. IMO, the past two weeks were two of the three worst, excluding the Tritter shows, which I don't even count because they were so abysmal.

The point was that he thought it was beyond "remotely good"....despite the fact that you thought it was one of the worst of the season.

Well, such a line is good for House, but the whole Foreman business is getting a little tiring. He doesn't want to be like House, but yet he does. House nailed it with the line that if Foreman were ready to leave, he would have ignored House and followed his own diagnosis.
I think a new character is needed to be a foil for House (but for Gods sake, not Tritter!!!!!!).

That's what I think will happen...I think Foreman will take the head of Neurology position (something I predicted when he first put his notice in) and they'll then add another doctor, with Foreman still there for Wilson-esque consults.

Foreman's not going anywhere. The whole deal Cutty offered him though was ridiculous.

That's what I think will happen...I think Foreman will take the head of Neurology position (something I predicted when he first put his notice in) and they'll then add another doctor, with Foreman still there for Wilson-esque consults.

Do you really think House would ever confide in Foreman or bounce ideas off him like he does with Wilson? I don't think so.

Foreman's not going anywhere. The whole deal Cutty offered him though was ridiculous.

None of their contracts have been renewed yet so it is all up in the air on what will happen.

I think they will wipe out all of House's co-doctors and they will spin off a show of their own. I think House will become even more intense and despicable next season but find love amidst the self destruction. Imagine House in love! Would it change his demeanor or dull his wit or make him (shudder) lovable?

I also think we all (or most of us) hate the Tritter shows because they made us very uncomfortable. They were very realistic and shows how personal the law can. I know I was very careful not to speed for a couple of months. Those episodes were like watching a traffic accident; we don't want to look as we pass by but we must.

OK, whose taking bets:

1. Yes, they are
2. No, they aren't

OK, whose taking bets:

1. Yes, they are
2. No, they aren't

I'll go with "yes, they are"--maybe. New cast members would provide new story lines. "House" had become, for the most part, very formulaic, and, although I enjoyed the interaction between House and his team, it had gotten very predictable. Maybe this is the writer's way of introducing different story lines
and new foils for House.

I hate this. They're tossing three years of character development completely down the drain at a time when the show is more popular than ever.

VERY, VERY disappointed in this.

I hate this. They're tossing three years of character development completely down the drain at a time when the show is more popular than ever.

VERY, VERY disappointed in this.

Did I miss something?

You are very, very disappointed in what? :confused:

The fact that it's obvious they're going to be ditching Epps/Morrison/Spencer for a new cast.

The fact that it's obvious they're going to be ditching Epps/Morrison/Spencer for a new cast.

Why is it "obvious"?

Sure it was 3 years of character development, but no one watches for those characters. We watch to see how they react to House and 3 new people would be even more interesting to watch IMO. I'll miss em but good shows rocks you around a little bit. I would say I'd like to see House truly dump the drugs.

Why is it "obvious"?

Why is it not?

Sure it was 3 years of character development, but no one watches for those characters.

Speak for yourself. I watch for everything.

Why is it not?

Well, you got me there! I simply can't compete with that superior logic. :rolleyes:

Why is it not?

Are you joking? For one, Omar Epps has already stated that he'll be back next season, so if he's coming back after his arc you can wager that all three will be back in some capacity. I'd bet the same is true for at least one more of the three, and given the relationship between Cameron and Chase that they tip off this episode, you can't have one back without the other.

They'll all be back next season, though maybe none of them will be pushover fellows anymore. Maybe we're getting a new dynamic to help jumpstart new conflicts where the threesome isn't wholly subserviant to House. Cuddy and Wilson clearly want Chase and Foreman to stay (and probably Cameron, but since her's was at the tale end no one could really express the need for her to stay), so at the very least Cuddy will put them somewhere in the hospital.

Maybe we'll get ripe new fellows for House to browbeat too. That'd be good.

Although, with more cast I hope that doesn't cut down on House-Wilson interaction. If anything, that needs to ramp up next season a bit.

Come on, it's the season finale. It's time to fake some cliffhangers on a show that doesn't really have a lot of potential for cliffhangers. Last season, someone got shot. This season everyone quits. Did you expect House to die just because he was shot?

I also think we all (or most of us) hate the Tritter shows because they made us very uncomfortable. They were very realistic and shows how personal the law can. I know I was very careful not to speed for a couple of months. Those episodes were like watching a traffic accident; we don't want to look as we pass by but we must.

Eh? Realistic? This is House we are talking about. Realism isn't something you watch for!

Those episodes with David Morse were hated because they stretched the storyline wafer thin and far too long and hammered home "House has a drug problem" with all the subtlety of a someone beating you in the head with a hammer.

I personally loved the Tritter episodes. *shrug*

Wasn't aware that Epps said he would be back...after all, last thing that was mentioned in this thread is that the contracts weren't renewed for anyone.

Lets give credit to Teisco, who seems to have nailed it. At least until the fall, when we can see what is really happening.

Speak for yourself. I watch for everything.

Obviously I'm speaking for myself - using all-encompassing catch-phrases shouldn't negate that logic. If you watch for everything, then this new change should be exciting, because I watch for everything with House as the obvious focus.

I've read many times in forums about House that folks wouldn't mind having a new team for him to interact with. I am surprised they all left though. I can't imagine the all of the actors were happy about the decision.

I also felt the Tritter episodes were overdue for closure, but you tend to get that with TV. Look at 24. The creators spend weeks sitting around hashing out the first 4-5 episodes. The rest they completely "wing." Thus the reason many of the middle episodes on that show are questionable and the first several are the best. I wouldn't doubt most shows have blocks of episodes suffering from the same lack of attention. Those several Tritter episodes were quite possibly the writers making every attempt at squeezing out every last bit of antagonism that they could. Throw in the element of authorities taking advantage of their power and the writers found themselves unable to stop writing about it.

I hate this. They're tossing three years of character development completely down the drain at a time when the show is more popular than ever.

VERY, VERY disappointed in this.
Relax. It hasn’t been decided yet whether some or all of House’s three spear carriers will return:

http://www.usatoday.com/life/television/news/2007-05-28-house-finale_N.htm

You will note that the House producers were very cagey about this in a USA Today interview:

Tuesday's delayed season-finale cliffhanger (9 ET/PT) will shake things up and "address what has been the cumulative experience and how has that impacted each of them," [Katie] Jacobs [the House show’s executive producer] says. "Next season will be different. We're not saying who is coming back and who is not, just that it'll look very different."

God willing they will replace all three of them. They need to shake it up, new interactions, new characters, new story lines, those three never did anything for me.

While Omar said he would be back next season, he did say he didn't know in what role or what he would be doing, just that it would be different. I wonder if he will work there or something so they can have that interaction. Either case I hope they don't come back.

As for this episode. Okay for an episode, not that great for a season finale. I did like when House was yelling at Foreman. What he was saying did make sense and was true, but then so was Foreman, interesting to see which side a person would fall on. House is pretty cool as a character.

I really don’t care much whether the characters of House’s three young assistants are written out of the show. Although bright and encouraged to speak out, they are strictly House’s subordinates, which limits how they interact with him.

I would be much sadder if the show were to lose either Cuddy or Wilson. Both are House’s peers and Cuddy is House’s titular boss – not that that means much with a guy like House. Neither is intimidated by House and Wilson is House’s only real friend, which House actually appreciates, I think, despite himself. Anyway, the interaction among the three is always interesting.

The show House, though, rises and falls on the character House, who is a multifaceted, fascinating guy. I don’t know whether the decision to cast Hugh Laurie as House was based on luck or genius. Either way, Laurie’s portrayal of house has given us great television, and I use the word, “great,” advisedly.

Can anyone tell me what was the last phrase that House said when he and the Cuban husband were smoking American cigars? F^%$#@! Moto 6412 decided to break down the picture/sound while House said something and we miss it! Damn it!

Can anyone tell me what was the last phrase that House said when he and the Cuban husband were smoking American cigars? F^%$#@! Moto 6412 decided to break down the picture/sound while House said something and we miss it! Damn it!

I don't know about the last thing he said, but it started with House saying that they were smoking 100% pure U.S. cigars that are good for you! :) And did anyone else think it was strange that they could get away with smoking cigars and drinking tequila (maybe something else, I don't know) in a hospital room with a patient in it?

Last line, maybe it was when the husband was saying that "House wasn't going to miss them" and House agreed...

I think they should have fired House so next year he could have a whole new hospital with all new targets to shoot at.

Fredfa has a post in his hot off the press thread about the future of house's three characters. They basically said some might be back, but it will look completely different. Interesting.

Fredfa has a post in his hot off the press thread about the future of house's three characters. They basically said some might be back, but it will look completely different. Interesting.
I hate to be a wise guy but I can’t help myself just this once. More than two and a half hours before fredfa posted the USA Today article concerning the future of House in the Hot Topics thread, I posted a link to and a quote from the same article. See my earlier post, #1913 above. That said, this is the first time in my memory I have ever beat fredfa to the punch on anything and I, like most of us, appreciate his Hot Topics posts. Thanks, Fred. :)

I heard that House, Chase, Cameron, and Foreman would all get hired by the CSI department of a major US city and solve various medical crimes next season... Well actually I didn't hear that but it sounds like something FOX might try to do.

Possible Fox reality show? "Who wants to be a House intern?"

It's a dangerous game they're playing here. They wisely invested a great amount into expertly developing the current characters and now it seems they're giving them the boot...very uncerimoniously, I might add. I thought House's staff (and the actors that play them) deserved better than that. :(

Does House get some new lackeys or go it alone? The idea of new, rookie docs for House to beat up on and endlessly tutor doesn't thrill me in the least. Been there, done that, proceeded forward with phenomenal success, and then killed the idea with a quick, mindless slaughter. We had a winning formula and abandoned it, so don't puss out and start all over again. :confused:

Thing is, who will do House's dirty/busy work without a team? Who will second-guess his theories? Who will he unleash his emotional and physical trauma upon, other than himself? Maybe where the show is headed, showing a damaged, yet brilliant House finding answers with painful diligence, careful self-examination, and crative reasearch, rather than fleeting coincidence, playing video games, and other pet distractions. If so, I have no issue with that. :)

Just don't ever, ever, ever do anything like the Tritter episodes again. That preachy, pedantic, pathetic, and predictable rehashing of the Vogler plotline is something best left forgotten. :mad:

Just don't ever, ever, ever do anything like the Tritter episodes again. That preachy, pedantic, pathetic, and predictable rehashing of the Vogler plotline is something best left forgotten. :mad:
I missed the Tritter episodes but I have read about them. Despite my fondness for David Morse, the whole concept of a vindictive cop systematically harassing House, his friends, and his team seems farfetched. I guess I will watch, though, as Fox is rerunning the second one, “Que Sera Sera,” next Tuesday and there’s not much that Morse can’t breath some life into. I assume that the rest of them will follow. There were six altogether.

I haven’t seen the Vogler episodes, either, but agree that they seem even sillier than those involving Tritter.

I haven’t seen the Vogler episodes, either, but agree that they seem even sillier than those involving Tritter.
Actually, the Vogler episodes were very well-done and an original idea at the time in the fact that House was presented with his first real nemesis other than medical enigmas. The plotline was brilliant in the sense of character development, what with forcing House to choose between his staff, the details of their personalities, the relationships House has with Cuddy and Wilson, and to what extent they all will fight for him. :)

Sadly, the Tritter fiasco was just a long, drawn-out rewrite of the same story, but with not-so-subtle overtures at House's drug use that simply created confusion as to the content of his character. I don't even count those ricdiculous episodes as being part of the House legacy. :(

Actually, the Vogler episodes were very well-done and an original idea at the time in the fact that House was presented with his first real nemesis other than medical enigmas. The plotline was brilliant in the sense of character development, what with forcing House to choose between his staff, the details of their personalities, the relationships House has with Cuddy and Wilson, and to what extent they all will fight for him. :)
Thanks for your insights. If reruns of the Vogler episodes ever show up on HD I’ll try to watch them.

Anyone else notice that in this week's episode, House didn't pop as many pills as he has in other episodes?

I was thinking the same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only time I recall him taking the pills was when the husband showed up to chastize him for not seeing his wife.

I was thinking the same thing. Correct me if I'm wrong but the only time I recall him taking the pills was when the husband showed up to chastize him for not seeing his wife.

In that interview with the shows creator/writers they said that they felt the pill storyline was done and explained thouroughly and to a satisfactory conclusion. So they probably are not going to focus on it or use it in the story as much.

I seriously hope we are done with the drug "issue", as the whole thing did nothing but cause a polarizing debate between viewers.

Personally, I think far too much is being taken as a fait accompli that the characters are really leaving. I seriously doubt all (if any) of them are really gone. Many shows use this type of ruse for the coming season and resolve it - some successfully, others not. We'll have to wait and see.

I also read that article where the producers stated they are mostly done with the drug addiction theme, except in much smaller ways (doses? :) ). Lastly, I don't totally agree that the Tritter plot was all bad. I thought it started well, with some real promise, but they simply didn't use it properly and it nose-dived into ludicrous and completely unbelievable legal fiction.

Personally, I think far too much is being taken as a fait accompli that the characters are really leaving. I seriously doubt all (if any) of them are really gone. Many shows use this type of ruse for the coming season and resolve it - some successfully, others not. We'll have to wait and see.

I agree with you. Things are not what they seem to be.

Here are a few thoughts as to why I think there is a lot more going on in this season finale than meets the eye and why we might be experiencing another story that takes place at least partially in House’s head.

It is plausible that House's reputation for solving impossible diseases has become known worldwide perhaps in any open-society nations of Europe and Asia, even in the Middle East. It is also possible that someone with a hopeless health problem might take desperate measures to seek his help.

It is interesting however that the husband and his wife were from Cuba of all places. For me this was a red flag. I mean how likely is it that someone from Cuba would hear about a reputation such as House's, much less be able to escape (defect) to be treated by him. All of it is certainly possible. For me though, it smacks more of an over-reaching, high-drama ego trip, the product of House's own megalomaniac imagination.

Same goes for House's well known and contentious rivalry he has with God in curing illnesses. He claims to have predicted a never-before-seen heart defect, what he called a divine error. While on one hand we know that, sure, House solves all sorts of diseases, on the other hand this cure has a god-complex written all over it. He, in effect, discovered a new heart condition that was never, ever known to exist before. It seems more likely to me that in the storyline this is all happening in House's head again.

The kicker for me, though was him enjoying a big fat cigar with the husband right in the wife's recovery room. Having a little celebration with a few shots of tequila is one thing. But lighting up a couple of stogies in a hospital room, with the wife on oxygen tubes and the husband displaying no concern about how smoking might affect his ailing wife, was very reminiscent of the odd events that happened in last year’s finale.

It was even more subtle this time around, but I still got the feeling what was transpiring was somehow not quite right.

I've always wondered if House is still sitting in a coma on the hospital bed after being shot, and the entire last season was just played out in his head. Would they pull such a stunt, or would it piss off too many viewers?

I've always wondered if House is still sitting in a coma on the hospital bed after being shot, and the entire last season was just played out in his head. Would they pull such a stunt, or would it piss off too many viewers?
I've watched every single episode since the beginning, and I would stop watching immediately if they pulled that. There's no way I could see them doing it, though. That's just too lame.

Yeah, if they pulled the old "Magnum, PI" (I think that was kind of how the last season of Magnum went, wasn't it?) I would never watch House again.

TommyK
I like your synopsis of the episode and where you are going with the way the season played out. Interesting take for sure. Some of the events are quite odd, especially the ending scene with the husband drinking and smoking, that woould never happen so doesn't even make sense to lament on it. Though the exchanges were funny.

The funniest:
House: "You know how many little boys pray for jetpacks? You know how many priests pray for little..... um wait that one actually happens"

Personally, I think far too much is being taken as a fait accompli that the characters are really leaving. I seriously doubt all (if any) of them are really gone. Many shows use this type of ruse for the coming season and resolve it - some successfully, others not. We'll have to wait and see.

I also read that article where the producers stated they are mostly done with the drug addiction theme, except in much smaller ways (doses? :) ). Lastly, I don't totally agree that the Tritter plot was all bad. I thought it started well, with some real promise, but they simply didn't use it properly and it nose-dived into ludicrous and completely unbelievable legal fiction.

Well, one thing is for sure, House is a money maker for Fox. I doubt the network would allow a change so radical as to alienate the very fans they depend upon to watch.

Personally, I would be EXTREMELY annoyed if Cameron didn't return. :eek:

Personally, I think far too much is being taken as a fait accompli that the characters are really leaving. I seriously doubt all (if any) of them are really gone. Many shows use this type of ruse for the coming season and resolve it - some successfully, others not. We'll have to wait and see.

I also read that article where the producers stated they are mostly done with the drug addiction theme, except in much smaller ways (doses? :) ). Lastly, I don't totally agree that the Tritter plot was all bad. I thought it started well, with some real promise, but they simply didn't use it properly and it nose-dived into ludicrous and completely unbelievable legal fiction.

Legal fiction? Was it a dream or did OJ get off free or maybe it was an tv show I saw once. Almost anything can be done by the "Law" and has been.

As I said before the Tritter episodes made us uncomfortable but we watched them anyway like we are forced to look at a traffic accident even though it appalls us.

I am sure if you look around you can find many real world examples of the House of horrors episodes.

Actually I skipped all the Tritter episodes. I let my wife let me know the salient points.

In that interview with the shows creator/writers they said that they felt the pill storyline was done and explained thouroughly and to a satisfactory conclusion. So they probably are not going to focus on it or use it in the story as much.
sure. He magically cured himself of his addiction and now takes it in moderation. Sorry but they went there and not to resolve it makes the show unbelievable :rolleyes:

sure. He magically cured himself of his addiction and now takes it in moderation. Sorry but they went there and not to resolve it makes the show unbelievable :rolleyes:

They never said he was cured of his addiction. In fact, they said he IS addicted to the pills, but he also needs the pills really bad because he IS in pain. He can't function without them. So they said they felt that storyline played out to a conclusion.

Well I guess Cameron could leave her guest star role on "House" and keep her staring role on "Bones" ;)
I love to tell my wife that these are the same actresses all the time.

Dam you Motorola DVR from Comcast. It seemed to have not recorded the Finale. :mad:

It's a dangerous game they're playing here. They wisely invested a great amount into expertly developing the current characters and now it seems they're giving them the boot...very uncerimoniously, I might add. I thought House's staff (and the actors that play them) deserved better than that.

They can try, but will fail. Same thing happened with Saved by the Bell. It will not work. No viewer is going to reinvest their time into new characters on an already established show.

Dam you Motorola DVR from Comcast. It seemed to have not recorded the Finale. :mad:

I saw a commercial that they where doing an encore of the House finale. Check your local listing, not sure when (it might of been the original time spot).

Actually I skipped all the Tritter episodes.
You lucky, lucky dog! :cool:
I let my wife let me know the salient points.
In other words, she was speechless. ;)

Yeah, if they pulled the old "Magnum, PI" (I think that was kind of how the last season of Magnum went, wasn't it?) I would never watch House again.

The famous one is Bobby-in-the-shower on Dallas in '86 o r'87 - whole season wiped out.

They can try, but will fail. Same thing happened with Saved by the Bell. It will not work. No viewer is going to reinvest their time into new characters on an already established show.

You're comparing House to Bell? Who except 12 year old girls cared if any Bell cast left.

They can try, but will fail. Same thing happened with Saved by the Bell. It will not work. No viewer is going to reinvest their time into new characters on an already established show.


Yeah, that Law and Order show really failed after the original cast left.

Not to mention shows like ER, while dropping off now, did extremely well for years after most of the original cast left.

House is about Greg House. If Hugh Laurie leaves the show, then you don't have a show. While he is still there, you could surround him with a bunch of extras off the street and people will watch. Laurie is a magnetic presence and the character is fantastic, that's why people watch the show. It's just like NYPD Blue with Sipowicz. As long as Dennis Franz was there, it worked and people watched.

The supporting characters could easily be changed on House and it won't affect the ratings at all. Having said that, I think you'll still see at least some, if not all, the familiar faces come the fall.

And to be completely fair, Saved by the Bell DID change most of their cast from the original version where they were in Middle School (the Miss Bliss years) to later in High School and then again in college. Only Zach, Screech, and Beldin stayed the same between middle school and high school. I think ;)

I know WAY too much about SBTB.

And to be completely fair, Saved by the Bell DID change most of their cast from the original version where they were in Middle School (the Miss Bliss years) to later in High School and then again in college. Only Zach, Screech, and Beldin stayed the same between middle school and high school. I think ;)

I know WAY too much about SBTB.


Dude, do you realize that you just typed this publicly on AVS Forum for everyone to read?! :eek:


;)

Legal fiction? Was it a dream or did OJ get off free or maybe it was an tv show I saw once. Almost anything can be done by the "Law" and has been.

As I said before the Tritter episodes made us uncomfortable but we watched them anyway like we are forced to look at a traffic accident even though it appalls us.

I am sure if you look around you can find many real world examples of the House of horrors episodes.

Yes, legal fiction. OJ's trial is a bad analogy. That was simple jury nullification combined with prosecutorial ineptitude. A legal fiction is when a local cop like Tritter can suddenly freeze several bank accounts of doctors and have DEA numbers (prescription writing privileges) pulled. Can't be done. Trust me, I know. Look around all you want and you won't find ANY examples of a person in Tritter's status with those particular legal abilities.

Yeah, that Law and Order show really failed after the original cast left.

Not to mention shows like ER, while dropping off now, did extremely well for years after most of the original cast left.

House is about Greg House. If Hugh Laurie leaves the show, then you don't have a show. While he is still there, you could surround him with a bunch of extras off the street and people will watch. Laurie is a magnetic presence and the character is fantastic, that's why people watch the show. It's just like NYPD Blue with Sipowicz. As long as Dennis Franz was there, it worked and people watched.

The supporting characters could easily be changed on House and it won't affect the ratings at all. Having said that, I think you'll still see at least some, if not all, the familiar faces come the fall.

Exactly true. Look at 24. Everyone dies at some point and is replaced except for Jack Bauer!

Yes, legal fiction. OJ's trial is a bad analogy. That was simple jury nullification combined with prosecutorial ineptitude. A legal fiction is when a local cop like Tritter can suddenly freeze several bank accounts of doctors and have DEA numbers (prescription writing privileges) pulled. Can't be done. Trust me, I know. Look around all you want and you won't find ANY examples of a person in Tritter's status with those particular legal abilities.


100% correct....on all counts.

I know WAY too much about SBTB.

LOVED this show. Taped every episode and use to watch them when I got home from school. Man, I was addicted to this show.

Yes, legal fiction. OJ's trial is a bad analogy. That was simple jury nullification combined with prosecutorial ineptitude. A legal fiction is when a local cop like Tritter can suddenly freeze several bank accounts of doctors and have DEA numbers (prescription writing privileges) pulled. Can't be done. Trust me, I know. Look around all you want and you won't find ANY examples of a person in Tritter's status with those particular legal abilities.


It is very niave of us to think that police cannot do anything they want when it comes to illegal drug use and sales. They can and do take your car, your cash, freeze your bank account and worse. The things Tritter did to House happen all the time to people, even innocent people.

Here is a link you might want to look at:
http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/looting-of-america.html

FYI, this morning the commercial on Fox said tonight was an encore presentation of the season finale in case anyone missed it.

Well I guess Cameron could leave her guest star role on "House" and keep her staring role on "Bones" ;)
I love to tell my wife that these are the same actresses all the time.

If she does come back next season, I hope a cheeseburger or two find their way to her mouth over summer hiatus.

Laugh all you want about Saved by the Bell...I sat through Showgirls to see Jessie Spano naked...more than once. :p

It is very niave of us to think that police cannot do anything they want when it comes to illegal drug use and sales. They can and do take your car, your cash, freeze your bank account and worse. The things Tritter did to House happen all the time to people, even innocent people.

Here is a link you might want to look at:
http://www.isil.org/resources/lit/looting-of-america.html

I don't want to argue about this. You are confusing several things. Local police have NO authority to restrict a doctor's DEA # (Rx writing ability). Seizing assets takes a bit of time, not overnight and not for the various, innocent associates of the
suspected offender in order to pressure him and them. I'm not saying these things can't be done - just that they can't be done as shown in House, nor anywhere near as quickly and by a single, local cop. I give them "poetic license" to write what they need to make the show, but this Tritter section was not well done and very far from any factual basis or ability. And I'm not "naive", I'm informed.

Laugh all you want about Saved by the Bell...I sat through Showgirls to see Jessie Spano naked...more than once. :p

Amen brother. Amen ;)

LOVED this show. Taped every episode and use to watch them when I got home from school. Man, I was addicted to this show.
Thanks to this thread i now have the theme song stuck in my head.... ENJOY:

When i wake up every morning
and the alarm gives out a warning
and i don't think ill ever make it on time
by the time i got my books
and i give myself a look
im at the corner just in time to see the bus fly by
its alright cause im saved by the bell

If the teacher pops test
you know im in a mess
and my dog ate all my homework last night
riding low in my chair
she won't know that im there
if i can hand it in tomorrow it'l be alright
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell

Thanks to this thread i now have the theme song stuck in my head.... ENJOY:

When i wake up every morning
and the alarm gives out a warning
and i don't think ill ever make it on time
by the time i got my books
and i give myself a look
im at the corner just in time to see the bus fly by
its alright cause im saved by the bell

If the teacher pops test
you know im in a mess
and my dog ate all my homework last night
riding low in my chair
she won't know that im there
if i can hand it in tomorrow it'l be alright
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell
its alright cause im saved by the bell

:D Ahh memories!!!

I don't want to argue about this. You are confusing several things. Local police have NO authority to restrict a doctor's DEA # (Rx writing ability). Seizing assets takes a bit of time, not overnight and not for the various, innocent associates of the
suspected offender in order to pressure him and them. I'm not saying these things can't be done - just that they can't be done as shown in House, nor anywhere near as quickly and by a single, local cop. I give them "poetic license" to write what they need to make the show, but this Tritter section was not well done and very far from any factual basis or ability. And I'm not "naive", I'm informed.

Is it possible that Tritter has friends in high places that helped him bully House?

Is it possible that Tritter has friends in high places that helped him bully House?

He would have to have had help. Possibly a DA with connections or aspirations of grander things based on busting a "high profile" case.

The Tritter episodes were as realistic as the rest of the show. If you buy the incredible way House operates and their amazing medical procedures and such than you must also buy into Tritter's world. Why dismiss one and not all?

Cameron to House, "Oh excuse me but while using that pigmy elephant ear lotion to cure cancer you had your bank account frozen by the police." ------ Viewer, "What, that is not possible, his bank account frozen by the police?"

I've said in the past the the Tritter episodes were terrible...I take back that statement. The Tritter STORYLINE is terrible.

After watching the 600-pound man episode ("Que Sera, Sera") last night for the second time, it made me realize even more how absolutely worthless, disturbingly distracting, and utterly ridiculous that the whole Tritter character was. Just as the show would start to gain some momentum with some phenomenal team interaction or jokes, there's Tritter, spewing some mind-numbing blather about some irrelevant and mundane detail no one cares about. Just as we start becoming mezmerized time and time again by Pruitt Taylor Vince's outstanding performance (as always), there's Tritter, chewing up the scene.

With apologies to the film Liar, Liar, all I can think of when Morse's character comes into frame is, "Here he comes to wreck the day!!!" It's not Morse's fault, he did what he could with it, but such a superfluous plotline shall be omitted with some creative editing when I buy the season on DVD.

It's official: Replacements are being sought for Foreman, Chase and Cameron! Producers will be introducing four new underlings — two male, two female — at the start of the new season.

They said that Foreman, Chase, and Cameron will be back in some form or another during the season.

YES! I, for one, am happy, adds new blood, new excitement, new stories, new conflicts, etc.

It's official: Replacements are being sought for Foreman, Chase and Cameron! Producers will be introducing four new underlings — two male, two female — at the start of the new season.

They said that Foreman, Chase, and Cameron will be back in some form or another during the season.

YES! I, for one, am happy, adds new blood, new excitement, new stories, new conflicts, etc.

Do you have a link for this?

I can get over losing Chase and Cameron, but I will really miss Foreman.

Ummm... wow. No offense but it could really, really suck. They don't need to expand the "House" world too much or the group size just doesn't work. And I will really miss the other 3.

Ummm... wow. No offense but it could really, really suck. They don't need to expand the "House" world too much or the group size just doesn't work. And I will really miss the other 3.

Yep, to say they are taking a risk is an understatement.

I'm going to reserve judgment. I can't remember how the show started, but breaking in 4 newbs should be tons of House-style fun.

Hmm...this should be interesting, I hope it works.

I just think it's incredibly foolish...the show is as popular as it's ever been, and they're going to completely change the face of it. Horrible decision.

Full quote, from TVGuide (http://www.tvguide.com/ask-ausiello)

Ausiello: It's official: Replacements are being sought for Foreman, Chase and Cameron! Producers will be introducing four new underlings — two male, two female — at the start of the new season. But before you freak out, keep in mind what I've been telling you every week for the past month: It's my understanding that Jennifer Morrison, Jesse Spencer and Omar Epps all will be returning, making for one very crowded canvas.

It's official: Replacements are being sought for Foreman, Chase and Cameron! Producers will be introducing four new underlings — two male, two female — at the start of the new season.

They said that Foreman, Chase, and Cameron will be back in some form or another during the season.

YES! I, for one, am happy, adds new blood, new excitement, new stories, new conflicts, etc.

Same sh!t different day that's all. You can't replicate chemistry.

Oh well, they better have the old actors on standby when this idea flops. :rolleyes:

Ausiello: It's official: Replacements are being sought for Foreman, Chase and Cameron! Producers will be introducing four new underlings — two male, two female — at the start of the new season. But before you freak out, keep in mind what I've been telling you every week for the past month: It's my understanding that Jennifer Morrison, Jesse Spencer and Omar Epps all will be returning, making for one very crowded canvas.

This quote does not make any sense!

On the one hand they are looking for "replacements". On the other hand, don't freak out because they will all be returning!

Uh....ok! :confused:

This quote does not make any sense!

On the one hand they are looking for "replacements". On the other hand, don't freak out because they will all be returning!

Uh....ok! :confused:

I took it as the others would be there in some form, i.e. maybe they have a practice that they use the hospital, or on staff in another department, or making appearances once in awhile, etc.

I'm going to reserve judgment. I can't remember how the show started, but breaking in 4 newbs should be tons of House-style fun.

That is what I think, the show, to me, is House and how he treats people. I don't think Cameron and the others are pivitol. Its all about House and whoever is around him.

It is a surprise that an Ausiello posting doesn't make sense?

How many times did he have "Veronica Mars" saved in the weeks before it was canned? (And then how many MORE times immediately after it was canceled?)

This quote does not make any sense!

On the one hand they are looking for "replacements". On the other hand, don't freak out because they will all be returning!

Uh....ok! :confused:

I disagree.

It was getting a little tiresome seeing the same characters react to the same atrocious House behavior week after week after week. The writers must have felt like they were in strait jackets.

This way we still get to see the characters we enjoyed, but also get to watch as House acts like an a** with a whole new raft of newbies.

And his former assistants will presumably not be quite as much under his thumb, so they can react to him differently, too.


I just think it's incredibly foolish...the show is as popular as it's ever been, and they're going to completely change the face of it. Horrible decision.

I took it as the others would be there in some form, i.e. maybe they have a practice that they use the hospital, or on staff in another department, or making appearances once in awhile, etc.

That may be how you "took it" but that isn't what it says.....at all.

Hmmm. Maybe we'll see all 3 of House's former underlings paired up with one new rookie each, plus one for House. It would be entertaining to see the old kids initiating the new ones and the differences in their relationships. Still, why did they go trough all that (wonderful) character development just to give them all the boot?

I wonder if Wilson is coming back, his role on the show is limited anyway, and from what I understand his first love is the stage. So if they are adding 3 more "regulars"...

I wonder if Wilson is coming back, his role on the show is limited anyway, and from what I understand his first love is the stage. So if they are adding 3 more "regulars"...
My 2 cents from left field, Wilson is an excellent sidekick and a solid cast member. His character adds balance and sanity to the House chaos.....I really hope he stays. Theater may be his first love, but playing on House must be far more "enriching" to his wallet! He can preform in his OWN theater with the $ from House.. Okay, it was 3 cents worth....I hope!

My 2 cents from left field, Wilson is an excellent sidekick and a solid cast member. His character adds balance and sanity to the House chaos.....I really hope he stays. Theater may be his first love, but playing on House must be far more "enriching" to his wallet! He can preform in his OWN theater with the $ from House.. Okay, it was 3 cents worth....I hope!
I hope he stays too, but you have to wonder with all the other cast additions.

My 2 cents from left field, Wilson is an excellent sidekick and a solid cast member. His character adds balance and sanity to the House chaos.....I really hope he stays. Theater may be his first love, but playing on House must be far more "enriching" to his wallet! He can preform in his OWN theater with the $ from House.. Okay, it was 3 cents worth....I hope!


Furthermore, Wilson is about the only sane one in the make believe hospital. His character is able to pull us back to what should be normal reminding us just how far off House is.

The only people that need to be on the show are House, Wilson, and Cuddy. I'm open to playing with everyone/thing else.

The only people that need to be on the show are House, Wilson, and Cuddy. I'm open to playing with everyone/thing else.
Couldn't agree more. Those three are central to why this show works.

The only people that need to be on the show are House, Wilson, and Cuddy. I'm open to playing with everyone/thing else.
...And maybe some patients for House. ;)

I disagree.

It was getting a little tiresome seeing the same characters react to the same atrocious House behavior week after week after week. The writers must have felt like they were in strait jackets.

This way we still get to see the characters we enjoyed, but also get to watch as House acts like an a** with a whole new raft of newbies.

And his former assistants will presumably not be quite as much under his thumb, so they can react to him differently, too.

I agree Fredfa, it will add to the show and get back to what it is all about, House.

Nah, he can always treat himself. I would agree that those 3 are central, but there's a lot of good story built up for the 3 helpers. I don't want all sorts of new people. I like a show to remain relatively stable. Let's be honest, every time we get a new character in House they pretty much suck. 2 were absolutely horrible villains, and his ex-wife was a needy, adulterous b*tch.

The only people that need to be on the show are House, Wilson, and Cuddy. I'm open to playing with everyone/thing else.

Agreed, Wilson and House are an excellent team. Especially when they had the episode when they drugged each other. That was classic and hilarous, good team there.

House has dumpped on the three sluggs long enough. There is not much else to explore. Seeing three new interns have to get use to House would be refreshing. I like the interns now but, it's time to move on.

Furthermore, Wilson is about the only sane one in the make believe hospital. His character is able to pull us back to what should be normal reminding us just how far off House is.

Except when he is on "speed".... He may love the theater, but House can pay the bills even with a minimalist role.

The 4 newbies should be fun.

...Let's be honest, every time we get a new character in House they pretty much suck. 2 were absolutely horrible villains, and his ex-wife was a needy, adulterous b*tch.
I couldn't agree more.*

*Though having Stacy on the show did give us a vehicle for a bit more info on House's background.

I agree with seems to be the consensus that, along with House, the Wilson and Cuddy characters are the backbone of the show. Despite the writers’ best efforts, I never found anything especially compelling about any of House’s young doctor helpers.

EDIT: Typo corrected

What's funny is that, imo, the best episode ever was the one with Foreman dying, which had very little to do with House. Omar Epps will be sorely missed, as he has been nothing short of outstanding throughout. :(

Obviously, adding/subracting new characters could go either way, depending on how they are written, acted and used. The plan (if true) could be to keep the old ones around just in case and either phase the new ones in or show them the ER door if it doesn't work out.

As for Wilson, I love him - he is the Greek Chorus of "House" and serves the part perfectly.

What's funny is that, imo, the best episode ever was the one with Foreman dying, which had very little to do with House. Omar Epps will be sorely missed, as he has been nothing short of outstanding throughout. :(

Me too man. He did an outstanding job on this show and added a little bit of diversity and color to the show. I have a feeling there will be no more people of color on the show.

No more borderline racist jokes from House I suppose.

The only people that need to be on the show are House, Wilson, and Cuddy. I'm open to playing with everyone/thing else.

I totally agree. I actually think Foreman brings the show down a bit. I like Cameron and Chase, but could live without them.

....No more borderline racist jokes from House I suppose.

Borderline?

"Dr. Mandingo, report to the plantation!"

I'd say he passed borderline a long time ago. But, he's an equal opportunity insulter and hilarious at the same time.