jf they do not offer at least 3 inputs i may be
purchasing a switcher.

I think it is just 2/1...

Yo

1.9 anyone.

Desperate of Cobham

John

Send me an email and I will send it to you... joerod55@msn.com

Your Onkyo does audio via i-Link - and as far as I know i-Link is better than HDMI for audio. With HDMI 1.2 you will use one HDMI cable for both audio and video. With what you have right now you'll get video via HDMI and audio via i-Link, two cables instead of one, a minor inconvenience. I myself have the IR RDC-7.1 with both i-Link and HDMI and will not get the HDMI 1.2 card, I have no need for it.

These are the cards I would be interested in:

HDMI 1.3 ( might never happen, Onkyo will probably offer HDMI 1.2 as an upgrade but not HDMI 1.3)
HD Radio
Sirius
XM

R


We'll probably see an HDMI 1.3 card sometime in 2007. It's TOO EARLY. Chipsets aren't available yet in quantity. There will be some products trickling out around Christmas...more to be shown at CES '07. Sony is probably gobbling up the lion's share of chip allocations for this year due to the PS3 rollout anyway.

I think they are doing the HDMI 1.2 card for the folks that aren't lucky enough to have the SP1000/DPS-10.5/RDV-1.1 with iLink.

And I do believe that the HDMI 1.0 card can send audio to an HDMI-equipped TV.

Eric

We'll probably see an HDMI 1.3 card sometime in 2007. It's TOO EARLY. Chipsets aren't available yet in quantity. There will be some products trickling out around Christmas...more to be shown at CES '07. Sony is probably gobbling up the lion's share of chip allocations for this year due to the PS3 rollout anyway.

I think they are doing the HDMI 1.2 card for the folks that aren't lucky enough to have the SP1000/DPS-10.5/RDV-1.1 with iLink.

And I do believe that the HDMI 1.0 card can send audio to an HDMI-equipped TV.

Eric

Do you really think they would release both a 1.2 card and a 1.3 card?

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Steve

Do you really think they would release both a 1.2 card and a 1.3 card?

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Steve


Steve,


Maybe we'll see a card(s) that incorporate DD+ and DTS-HD decoding along with HDMI 1.3 facilities...

Eric

Steve,


Maybe we'll see a card(s) that incorporate DD+ and DTS-HD decoding along with HDMI 1.3 facilities...

Eric

That would be great, but so far I'm not very impressed with Onkyo's record of hardware or software upgrades so I'm not getting my hopes up. I may have upgraded to an Anthem D2 or something by that time.

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Steve

Steve,


Maybe we'll see a card(s) that incorporate DD+ and DTS-HD decoding along with HDMI 1.3 facilities...

Eric


So you're guessing that the DD+ and DTS-HD decoding would take place on the HDMI card? I'm curious, is there another way they could accomplish the decoding?

I really doubt that the DD+ and DTS-HD decoding would take place on the HDMI card. Because it's the wrong place for such a thing.

So you're guessing that the DD+ and DTS-HD decoding would take place on the HDMI card? I'm curious, is there another way they could accomplish the decoding?


I know that they have figured out how to put a lot more "stuff" on a single card...

But then again...it depends on the bus structure of the receiver. Certain kinds of cards are made for certain kinds of slots.



Eric

Do you really think they would release both a 1.2 card and a 1.3 card?

Based on my experience with Onkyo's support of its flagships, no, they will not release both a 1.2 and a 1.3 card. They will release an HDMI 1.2 card and that's it. For HDMI 1.3 they will release new flagships in late 2007/early 2008 and stop supporting the present flagships. If people complain enough they will probably offer a trade-in program for the IR RDC-7.1 owners for the, say, RDC-7.2, but no trade-in for the flagship receivers.

R

Based on my experience with Onkyo's support of its flagships, no, they will not release both a 1.2 and a 1.3 card. They will release an HDMI 1.2 card and that's it. For HDMI 1.3 they will release new flagships in late 2007/early 2008 and stop supporting the present flagships. If people complain enough they will probably offer a trade-in program for the IR RDC-7.1 owners for the, say, RDC-7.2, but no trade-in for the flagship receivers.

R


Oh puhleeeze. I have received terrific support from Integra for my client's systems. Fortunately, there is rarely a need to do anything. Please don't bring any IR RDC bellyaching into this thread, too!

Eric

The last Integra flagship got two processing upgrades and it was not even modular. I think we will see support for the HD audio formats if it can be done either by software or (More likely) a cpu daughterboard replacement.

The last Integra flagship got two processing upgrades and it was not even modular. I think we will see support for the HD audio formats if it can be done either by software or (More likely) a cpu daughterboard replacement.

I thought the NR1000 had two powerful DSPs. Couldn't these be programmed to decode the new HD sound formats?

The Onkyo does have two TI Aureus DSPs but I suspect these dont have the horsepower required. AFAIK the two work independently (One for each zone) and unless they can work in some sort of SMP mode I cant see them having the MIPS required (And of course you would lose the second zone if this could work). Onkyo will be looking to recover the cost oflicensing all these new formats and a free firmware upgrade will not help with that.

The last Onkyo flagship got DTS-ES discrete and a few other features added for free but the later THX Ultra 2 upgrade cost $500.

The Onkyo does have two TI Aureus DSPs but I suspect these dont have the horsepower required. AFAIK the two work independently (One for each zone) and unless they can work in some sort of SMP mode I cant see them having the MIPS required (And of course you would lose the second zone if this could work). Onkyo will be looking to recover the cost oflicensing all these new formats and a free firmware upgrade will not help with that.

The last Onkyo flagship got DTS-ES discrete and a few other features added for free but the later THX Ultra 2 upgrade cost $500.

How did they handle the THX Ultra 2 upgrade with regards to logistics? Do you know what physically had to do to upgrade it? I would gladly give up my second zone if the could get the DSPs to work together to decode the new HD audio formats :)

What was the last flagship model?

We'll find out what they'll do. All this is just speculation at this point. I was told at CEDIA Expo that they will eventually support the new HD audio formats. I assumed it would be a new card.

Eric

Oh puhleeeze. I have received terrific support from Integra for my client's systems.

Really??? What kind of support? No new cards in 18 months, horrendous customer service, a history of not keeping promises with regard to upgrades, just look at the facts.

R

The last Integra flagship got two processing upgrades and it was not even modular.

The second upgrade was way overpriced - $500 for THX Ultra2 was a joke - and, most importantly, Onkyo never upgraded their flagships to i-Link, as they had promised. There are still Onkyo 989 and IR RDC-7 owners calling Onkyo about the promised i-Link upgrade and the answer they get - if they get one - is "check our website for new info". That's the answer they have been getting for the past two years.

I hope that we will get HDMI 1.3 but I'm afraid that we won't.

R

What was the last flagship model?

The last flagship model was the Onkyo 989 ver.2. It got ZERO upgrades.

R

The Onkyo does have two TI Aureus DSPs but I suspect these dont have the horsepower required. AFAIK the two work independently (One for each zone) and unless they can work in some sort of SMP mode I cant see them having the MIPS required (And of course you would lose the second zone if this could work). Onkyo will be looking to recover the cost oflicensing all these new formats and a free firmware upgrade will not help with that.

The last Onkyo flagship got DTS-ES discrete and a few other features added for free but the later THX Ultra 2 upgrade cost $500.

Supposedly the Anthem D2 has much less powerful DSPs than the Onkyo/Integra, so it's hard to imagine that they don't have the horsepower to decode the new formats. Besides, I'm not even sure that it requires much more horsepower to decode the new formats. Generally, the more compressed a format is the more horsepower it takes to process it. The new codecs are less compressed because there's a lot more room on the disc for audio. Just because they have "HD" in the name doesn't mean you need a supercomputer to decompress them.

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Steve

Maybe you a re right but about 6 months ago I was talking to people who work within design of these products and the Aureus DSP were still in the unknown category for support. TI have released newer faster DSP for the HD formats but have retained backward code compatiblity, what is unknown is if the Aureus DSPs have the horsepower required to run the Tru-HD and DTS MA code. I very much doubt any of the manufactirers would bother writing their own algos for the Aureus DSPs.

Really??? What kind of support? No new cards in 18 months, horrendous customer service, a history of not keeping promises with regard to upgrades, just look at the facts.

R


I do look at the facts, and as an authorized dealer (who is supposed to be your point of contact for "issues"), I know exactly what kind of support I get and wouldn't continue as such if I didn't!

And exactly what upgrades were you promised and when??


Eric

I do look at the facts, and as an authorized dealer (who is supposed to be your point of contact for "issues"), I know exactly what kind of support I get and wouldn't continue as such if I didn't!

Could you elaborate on the support you get? Just list a few things Integra has done for you. And could you provide us with the name, phone number, and e-mail of your contact? I'm sure that that great person will be happy to help other Onkyo/Integra/Integra Research customers too.

R

And exactly what upgrades were you promised and when??

i-Link, i-Link, i-Link!!! When? Back in 2001. And in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. Maybe you could find out for us when the promised i-Link upgrade will materialize? And maybe you could also find out why a future-proof receiver like the Onkyo 989 ver.2 was never upgraded? Also, why was there a trade-in program offered to RDC-7 owners but not to Onkyo 989 and Integra 9.1 owners too?

R

Could you elaborate on the support you get? Just list a few things Integra has done for you. And could you provide us with the name, phone number, and e-mail of your contact? I'm sure that that great person will be happy to help other Onkyo/Integra/Integra Research customers too.

R


Call your dealer. That's what they are for.

Eric

i-Link, i-Link, i-Link!!! When? Back in 2001. And in 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, and 2006. Maybe you could find out for us when the promised i-Link upgrade will materialize? And maybe you could also find out why a future-proof receiver like the Onkyo 989 ver.2 was never upgraded? Also, why was there a trade-in program offered to RDC-7 owners but not to Onkyo 989 and Integra 9.1 owners too?

R


I thought this discussion was about the card-based product.

Eric

Call your dealer. That's what they are for.

That's not a problem for me - my dealer is great - but it is a problem for many Onkyo 1000 owners. Many of the authorized stores that sell the Onkyo 1000 don't offer any help - they have never heard of firmware upgrades for example. Whom should these Onkyo customers call??? Why aren't firmware upgrades available on the Onkyo website?

R

I thought this discussion was about the card-based product.

This discussion is also about Onkyo's past and future upgrades.

So far, their record isn't that good:

Present flagships: 18 months old, zero new cards.

Previous flagships: i-Link promised, never happened. The Onkyo 989 ver.2, Integra 9.1 ver.2, and IR RDC-7 ver.2, all labeled as future-proof, had zero upgrades, and were obsolete a few months after they were released. The original Onkyo 989, Integra 9.1, and IR RDC-7 did get two upgrades, the first one excellent - DPL2 for $50 - the second - THX Ultra2 - way overpriced at $500.

R

This discussion is also about Onkyo's past and future upgrades.

So far, their record isn't that good:

Present flagships: 18 months old, zero new cards.

Previous flagships: i-Link promised, never happened. The Onkyo 989 ver.2, Integra 9.1 ver.2, and IR RDC-7 ver.2, all labeled as future-proof, had zero upgrades, and were obsolete a few months after they were released. The original Onkyo 989, Integra 9.1, and IR RDC-7 did get two upgrades, the first one excellent - DPL2 for $50 - the second - THX Ultra2 - way overpriced at $500.

R


Cards are coming, OK?

They never said that there would be new cards every six months. That would be insane. And how many function cards can there be? We have had iLink from day one.

I applaud them for taking the risky move of going to this architecture just so they could easily upgrade the system. After all, most manufacturers would rather sell you a whole new receiver, no?

Eric

That's not a problem for me - my dealer is great - but it is a problem for many Onkyo 1000 owners. Many of the authorized stores that sell the Onkyo 1000 don't offer any help - they have never heard of firmware upgrades for example. Whom should these Onkyo customers call??? Why aren't firmware upgrades available on the Onkyo website?

R


I'm not an Onkyo dealer...I'm an Integra dealer. We bend over backwards to support our clients, and in a pro-active way.

I do firmware upgrades for my clients in their homes. They are very appreciative for the support, even if sometimes they don't know what we're doing!

I heard that there were folks who screwed up their units trying to update the firmware was the reason updates were removed from public access. The dealers can still get them.

I feel for the poor guys who buy stuff as cheaply as they can via mail order and are left with less than satisfactory support. Caveat emptor.


Eric

That is great in home service! And a big part of the purchase is service... :)

I'm not an Onkyo dealer...I'm an Integra dealer. We bend over backwards to support our clients, and in a pro-active way.


Good for you. I was talking about Onkyo, not about you. I wish Onkyo would also bend over backwards to support their clients.

R

They never said that there would be new cards every six months. That would be insane.

They never said that it would take almost two years to release the first cards either, did they?

R

I applaud them for taking the risky move of going to this architecture just so they could easily upgrade the system.

Well, so far they haven't upgraded anything. Looking at their past flagship upgrades record doesn't make me feel any better either.

R

I heard that there were folks who screwed up their units trying to update the firmware was the reason updates were removed from public access. The dealers can still get them.

Funny how Anthem has had firmware updates on its site for a long time and never heard of any problems.

R

Funny how Anthem has had firmware updates on its site for a long time and never heard of any problems.

R

Yeah, if folks are "screwing up" their units doing firmware updates, then Onkyo should fix the firmware update process instead of blaming the users.

If there was a chance of screwing up the unit when I turned the power on, I wouldn't expect the solution to be for my dealer to come to my house every time I needed to do that :)

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Steve

Well, so far they haven't upgraded anything. Looking at their past flagship upgrades record doesn't make me feel any better either.

R

Actually as mentioned earlier, in the UK we got out first new card three weeks ago, I should have mine upgraded late next week.

Eric,

I appreciate your enthusiasm as an Onkyo dealer and I am sure your customers are happy with you, BUT:

As has been said before there was a promise tied to the modularity of the TX-NR1000 and its derivatives and that was upgradability - why would someone want to have a modular receiver if not for that ?

Now you have Denon with a less modular design cranking out software and hardware updates in a stakkato manner during the last 2 years and Onkyo does almost nothing.

There was the promise of having an advantage over the competition based solely on the design of the devices and it is felt by many customers that this promise is, as you see in this thread, unfulfilled.

And with regard to the current 2 in 1 out HDMI card: You get that number of in- and outputs with every 1000$ receiver as of now, the TX-NR would be more suitably equipped with something like 4 to 5 in and 2 out. If that necessitates the HDMI solution to take up two slots, so what ? Lose one of the component slots.

Oliver

Actually as mentioned earlier, in the UK we got out first new card three weeks ago, I should have mine upgraded late next week.

Can you install the cards yourself, or are you required to bring it in for service?

Can you install the cards yourself, or are you required to bring it in for service?

I have to drop it off at my local dealer and Onkyo UK return the unit upgraded usually within 4 working days, this service is usually offered to UK TX-NR5000E owners but Onkyo UK said they will accommodate my Integra too (Integra is not sold in the UK). This is Onkyo UKs policy and very different to Integra USA's policy (Dealers Fit Modules).

I've decided to have it fitted in 2 weeks time (Dont want to lose my Integra during the world cup).

Eric,

I appreciate your enthusiasm as an Onkyo dealer and I am sure your customers are happy with you, BUT:

As has been said before there was a promise tied to the modularity of the TX-NR1000 and its derivatives and that was upgradability - why would someone want to have a modular receiver if not for that ?

Now you have Denon with a less modular design cranking out software and hardware updates in a stakkato manner during the last 2 years and Onkyo does almost nothing.

There was the promise of having an advantage over the competition based solely on the design of the devices and it is felt by many customers that this promise is, as you see in this thread, unfulfilled.

And with regard to the current 2 in 1 out HDMI card: You get that number of in- and outputs with every 1000$ receiver as of now, the TX-NR would be more suitably equipped with something like 4 to 5 in and 2 out. If that necessitates the HDMI solution to take up two slots, so what ? Lose one of the component slots.

Oliver

5 In 1out would be nice. The best solution I can think of is to offer two cards, a primary with 3 ports on that plugs into the HDMI slot and a secondary card that plugs into the primary card using a ribbon cable. This would allow any spare slot to be used by the additional HDMI ports.

i think if the factory took a pole today most owners
would like a min of 3in 1 out more would be better
since all new eq are coming out with hdmi out not
just for sq and pq but look at the cable clutter.

I would hate to have to ship mine out for the new card. I hope they send the firmware with the card. That way you could do it yourself...

I would hate to have to ship mine out for the new card.

I will not ship my unit out: when I sent my old RDC-7 to have it upgraded to THX Ultra 2 it came back with several scratches.

R

I would hate to have to ship mine out for the new card. I hope they send the firmware with the card. That way you could do it yourself...

I won't send out my unit. I want to do it myself.

Me to... :)

They never said that it would take almost two years to release the first cards either, did they?
R

How childish! Glad we're back on topic.

egcarter,

Whatever you do, please just don't go away. We really value and appreciate your participation here. If it hasn't been said, thanks for the info you've provided.

I think much of the frustration stems from the fact that you are our best (and pretty much sole) source of information about what's coming for these products (including the IR 7.1).

You may feel that as a dealer you are well informed by the company and that may be so. However, in this day and age we end customers expect more for our money. And one of the things we expect is service and information from the source, especially when email allows for extremely quick communication.

I am personally of the belief that the IR 7.1 is a better value for the dollar and more "right" - for me - than the Anthem D1. That's why I purchased it and not a D1 (or D2 since I have no desire for on board video processing). But I can tell you that I often pine for the responsiveness, information, and service provided by Anthem directly to its end customers.

You may not think it necessary, but many of us clearly do - simple as that. I'm of the firm opinion that IR would only help itself by actually responding to end user inquiries. Anthem helps itself plenty in this regard, and it's obvious.

TM

Yes, we appreciate your knowledge and expertise on their products...

Yeah, if folks are "screwing up" their units doing firmware updates, then Onkyo should fix the firmware update process instead of blaming the users.

I agree 100%. BTW, Anthem's firmware update process is indeed better.

R

thanks egcarter informative dealers in this hobby a must
manufactors supporting and updating their product a must

It just hit me that if Onkyo does deliver an HDMI 1.3 card, they could use the new mini connector and cram three or maybe four of those into the card :)

Engadget (http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/29/hdmis-mini-plug-looks-like-this/) has pics.

egcarter,

Please don't go away. We really value and appreciate your participation here.
You are the one who talk with passion about Integra/Onkyo.

I believe in Integra/Onkyo. Sometimes I'm frustrated but often really enjoy with my TX-NR 5000 amp.

The forum is not always to discuss about problem but also to talk about the pleasure...

Xavier

Pleasure is good ;)! I do hope he sticks around. Who else is going to give us inside info as to when the cards will be in stock?

Taken from a recent AVS thread, don't know if it's true or not:

'Fellow Americans who have been had.

ONKYO USA of NJ has been investigated for alleged consumer fraud starting 2004 and case was secretly settled with the New Jersey Attorney office as of April 2006. The allegation is that ONKYO sold USED products as NEW by repackaging them in a new box to unsuspecting US consumers. These items were distributed through large outlets such as Circuit City, which was also fined in the amount of $173,220.00 civil penalty as of 2004 by New Jersey Attorney General office.

We are developing a system to unite US consumers to file a class action law suite against ONKYO for distributing and selling Used products as New to unsuspecting US consumers through various outlets, including ONKYO web site.

For additional information contact FTC to this regard.
California and Florida consumers please contact your state attorney general office. They have obtained information to this regard. New Jersey consumers should contact New Jersey Attorney general office.

Products affected are: Receivers, DVD players and Cassette decks sold or distributed as of 1999.
How to identify: Alleged products were sold without any UPC code label placed on the side of the assumed original box. If any ONKYO products you own does not have UPC code when you bought it, contact your state attorney general consumer fraud protection office to this regard and obtain help. North Carolina, Gorgia and South Carolina residents can contact their Attorney General office as of this week.
more eveidence can be obtained from coolbreed.

The investigation also includes products made by ONKYO under brand names INTEGRA and INTEGRA RESEARCH. Remember, regardless of place of purchase you need to check box for missing UPC code. If it does, please notify state or federal consumer fraud agencies. This problem also exist in Canada for products sold prior to 2001 or after end of 2002.'

R

Taken from a recent AVS thread, don't know if it's true or not: . . .

R

Would you kindly post a link to the AVS thread?

Thanks

Would you kindly post a link to the AVS thread?

Thanks

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=685050&highlight=onkyo+fraud

R

Here's a story possibly related to the post above: last fall I bought a supposedly brand new Integra Research RDA-7 amp from an IR authorized dealer. When I took the amp out of the box it had several stains and scratches on it - the amp was definitely not new but was sold to me as new. I called IR about it, gave them the unit's serial number and was told that the unit was not refurbished or B-stock. I took the amp back to the dealer who refunded my money and then returned the amp back to IR.

R

Strange how the person who made that post and a 2nd one about this supposed fraud, has just recently joined the forum the beginning of this month. And has only made those two posts so far. I tried searching the net for anything about this, and found nothing, other than what is in the forum here.

Strange how the person who made that post and a 2nd one about this supposed fraud, has just recently joined the forum the beginning of this month. And has only made those two posts so far. I tried searching the net for anything about this, and found nothing, other than what is in the forum here.

I too searched the net and found nothing. I'm in California, maybe I should try to contact the state attorney general office and see if it's true or not.

R

I just really hope that the $500 estimated price tag on the hdmi card is some sort of rediculous MSRP quote. If all they are doing is upgrading to hdmi 1.2 but NOT offering any more inputs than the 2/1, then you are not really gaining a $500 dollar value of an upgrade. I really hope that this isn't their plan and that they evaluate the market in order to give us a competitive amount of HDMI input/outputs for a reasonable price. I might pay $500 if there were at least 4 inputs as hdmi switches can get just as rediculous as that.

I love my receiver and I truly believe in Onkyo as a company, but so far I am slightly disappointed that they have not released anything so far. I still have hope though and will patiently wait.

$500 is not an upgrade. $500 is the price for the card - the same price it the current card is today. An upgrade would be a lower price based on a trade in of the current card toward the new card. That's not what we're talking about here though.

I'm not saying $500 is a "great" price for HDMI switching. But the price is the price of the card, not the price of an upgrade.

TM

I just got around to hooking up my dtr 10.5 to my Mcintosh amp and was wondering at what level everybody is calibrating there speaker levels at. I have always calibrated my levels at 75 db but I remember reading something about 82 db in the manual.

I didn't realize how small the volume level indicator on the front display was, geeeeeeeeez
I need binoculars to even try to see the damn volume level. Maybe I will see if I can rig up a small magnifying glass and use it as a lense over the volume level. Major design oversight IMO!

I just got around to hooking up my dtr 10.5 to my Mcintosh amp and was wondering at what level everybody is calibrating there speaker levels at. I have always calibrated my levels at 75 db but I remember reading something about 82 db in the manual.

I didn't realize how small the volume level indicator on the front display was, geeeeeeeeez
I need binoculars to even try to see the damn volume level. Maybe I will see if I can rig up a small magnifying glass and use it as a lense over the volume level. Major design oversight IMO!
i agree the volume display to small i use the on screen display
level set to 80db for me.

With user replaceable cards costing $400-$500. They probably make more off of them, then they did when they charged $500 for a upgrade that was done by them. But it's not surprising either, after all they still need to make money even if people are replacing/upgrading their own cards and not buying a new receiver or pre-pro instead.

Please note that the current HDMI card's MSRP of $500 is more than double that of any of the other cards. (Next highest is $200). I have no idea how much the new card will be...nothing has been officially announced as yet. I wouldn't be surprised if HDMI components have gone down in price as they are far more common than when the first card was developed. And please note that this card does not only perform HDMI switching duties, but it TRANSCODES analog video to digital video. The recently announced Denon upgrade for their flagship 5805 receiver that addded transcoding capabilities along with some other features caused a $1000 increase in the MSRP for the unit.

Eric

i ll pay 500 for the new card if it has 3 inputs
or i would have bought the old card i already
have the firewire card but 2 inputs are not
enough.

The recently announced Denon upgrade for their flagship 5805 receiver that addded transcoding capabilities along with some other features caused a $1000 increase in the MSRP for the unit.

Eric

True. But I'd like to point out that it also went from 3 HDMI inputs to a whopping 5 HDMI inputs in the process.

True. But I'd like to point out that it also went from 3 HDMI inputs to a whopping 5 HDMI inputs in the process.

Still...I am attempting to give people a little perspective on what things might cost! To add a couple of HDMI ports (to a product that ALREADY has HDMI), upgrade a chip to offer 1080p output, and give analog to digital video transcoding plus internet radio ADDS $1000 to the price.

Eric

We have set up a site root to explain and show progress.
So do not think this is some bluff. It is not.
for circuit city you ca search by typing circuit city settles with NJ in goggles
for onkyo you can search by typing onkyo sued by FTC.
Since I am new I can not make link for now.

Did any one know TX-NR is based on Mark Levinsons N-40 model Control Amp idea. Onkyo practically stole it from them and added amplifiers in it. So it is not their idea. It is a brian child of Mark Levinson. An American Idea.

ethics

We have set up a site root to explain and show progress.
So do not think this is some bluff. It is not.
for circuit city you ca search by typing circuit city settles with NJ in googles
for onkyo you can search by typing onkyo sued by FTC.
Since I am new I can not make link for now.

Did any one know TX-NR is based on Mark Levinsons N-40 model Control Amp idea. Onkyo practicaly stole it from them and added amplifiers in it. So it is not their idea. It is a brian child of Mark Levinson. An American Idea.

ethics

Did any one know TX-NR is based on Mark Levinsons N-40 model Control Amp idea. Onkyo practicaly stole it from them and added amplifiers in it. So it is not their idea. It is a brian child of Mark Levinson. An American Idea.

ethics

Did any one know TX-NR is based on Mark Levinsons N-40 model Control Amp idea. Onkyo practicaly stole it from them and added amplifiers in it. So it is not their idea. It is a brian child of Mark Levinson. An American Idea.

Here's a link to some interesting photos of the the Mark Levinson 40: http://www.audioclub.it/h/audio/prodotti/MARKLEVINSON/ml40.htm

R

It's beginning to sound more and more like a broken record around here...

Eric

BTW, I think Theta's Casablanca II controller was around before Mark Levinson's No. 40. Modularity is hardly a new invention. I wouldn't even go so far as to say an American was the first person to ever think of making a modular device...

a bit silly of a conjecture, I'd say.

It hardly qualifies as "theft".


Eric

We have set up a site root to explain and show progress.
So do not think this is some bluff. It is not.
for circuit city you ca search by typing circuit city settles with NJ in goggles
for onkyo you can search by typing onkyo sued by FTC.
Since I am new I can not make link for now.

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ethics


I can find no such information.

The only thing with Circuit City in NJ is something about deceptive advertising.

The only thing about Onkyo with the FTC is something from 1995 concerning the 1982 agreement on price restraint.

Hardly newsworthy, no?

Eric

Still...I am attempting to give people a little perspective on what things might cost! To add a couple of HDMI ports (to a product that ALREADY has HDMI), upgrade a chip to offer 1080p output, and give analog to digital video transcoding plus internet radio ADDS $1000 to the price.

Eric

Eric,

you get no argument from me... I was just trying to say that a visible change such as increased number of ports is more likely to get people to justify spending money on an upgrade than going from 2/1 HDMI 1.1 to a 2/1 HDMI 1.2 card, that's all. I bet if Integra were to announce a 5/1 HDMI 1.3 card with 1080p switching and Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD processing at $1000 or even more, there would be a lot more takers ;)

I will gladly discuss the price of a new HDMI card for the Onkyos but only after I know what it brings to the table. If it does all that the Denon does plus let's me connect my HD-DVD and BlueRay players with just one cable even 1000$ might be money well spent AND we need at least 4 HDMI inputs for this to be worthy of a flagship product.

Hi Joe

sorry about the delay in thanking you for the firmware update you sent me.

I was travelling for the past month.

I tried installing today but it seems I am already on the same version so the installer prevents the update.

back to the drawing board!
Thanks,
Finlay

Eric,

you get no argument from me... I was just trying to say that a visible change such as increased number of ports is more likely to get people to justify spending money on an upgrade than going from 2/1 HDMI 1.1 to a 2/1 HDMI 1.2 card, that's all. I bet if Integra were to announce a 5/1 HDMI 1.3 card with 1080p switching and Dolby Digital Plus and Dolby True HD processing at $1000 or even more, there would be a lot more takers ;)

Hey, I told 'em over a year ago that I wanted more HDMI ports...but unless things have changed, it's supposedly still a 2/1 card. I think their primary aim was to move the HDMI revision up to 1.2, so that folks who don't have SP-1000/DPS-10.5/RDV-1.1 players can have their audio connection to the AV unit be totally digital as well. And I would assume that the new HDMI card will become the standard equipment on new AV receivers after its release.

Eric

Hey, I told 'em over a year ago that I wanted more HDMI ports...but unless things have changed, it's supposedly still a 2/1 card.

Eric

HDMI is here to stay and Onkyo is not an island. The next generation of flagship receivers from all other manufacturer willl sport at least 3 and maybe 4 HDMI inputs so I cannot see how Onkyo would want to lag behind in this regard when all their other features are still making them a top dog.

So please keep on mentioning to them that having only as many HDMI inputs as every run off the mill 1000$ receiver will not cut it in the eyes of the consumers.

Oliver

I can find no such information.

The only thing with Circuit City in NJ is something about deceptive advertising.

The only thing about Onkyo with the FTC is something from 1995 concerning the 1982 agreement on price restraint.

Hardly newsworthy, no?

Eric

Would you care to look at this for now. More in the future.

http://www.coolbreed.com/onkyo_nj.gif

I urge everyone to read this interesting e-mail too. The origional unedited e-mail is preserved for authorities. How ever, MA, CA, FL, NJ and RI state residents should ask their consumer protection agency as to this fact since they do have prior knowledge. FTC has stated that until consumers file complaints, they will wait from initiating investigation. FTC has many copies of these sort. (http://www.coolbreed.com/ex_12.gif)

Here's a story possibly related to the post above: last fall I bought a supposedly brand new Integra Research RDA-7 amp from an IR authorized dealer. When I took the amp out of the box it had several stains and scratches on it - the amp was definitely not new but was sold to me as new. I called IR about it, gave them the unit's serial number and was told that the unit was not refurbished or B-stock. I took the amp back to the dealer who refunded my money and then returned the amp back to IR.

R

The question for most people is, How would one know when one have been had?
If you purchased ONKYO, Integra, or IR between 1999 and 2004 and wish to know how to Identify which products were USED repackaged as NEW (http://www.coolbreed.com/onkyo_nj.gif) then see this. We will be putting more as we get more data.

I can find no such information.

The only thing with Circuit City in NJ is something about deceptive advertising.

The only thing about Onkyo with the FTC is something from 1995 concerning the 1982 agreement on price restraint.

Hardly newsworthy, no?

Eric

The question for most people is, How would one know when one have been had?
If you purchased ONKYO, Integra, or IR between 1999 and 2004 and wish to know how to Identify which products were USED repackaged as NEW then see this. (http://www.coolbreed.com/onkyo_nj.gif) We will be putting more as we get more data.

No problem Finlay! If anyone else needs the latest firmware let me know... :)

Hey, ethics! Would you mind stopping the double posting? And what do your non-sequitur posts have to do with this thread?

Eric

I saw him/her on another thread mentioning Onkyo/Integra/IR giving the same warnings. It looks like that is his/her sole purpose on these boards.

ArtV

Hey, I told 'em over a year ago that I wanted more HDMI ports...but unless things have changed, it's supposedly still a 2/1 card.

So your info is one year old? There have been lots of changes at Onkyo/Integra USA during the past year or so - a new president was named, several managers left the company, maybe some new decisions have been made with regard to the new cards?

R

Onkyo Europe told me the last word they had was a V1.3 card was coming. My Integra went in for the new Euro DAB module to be installed today, probably sounds insignificant to American users but it is infact the first new card since release.

Onkyo Europe told me the last word they had was a V1.3 card was coming. My Integra went in for the new Euro DAB module to be installed today, probably sounds insignificant to American users but it is infact the first new card since release.

By looking at HDMI technical specification (http://www.hdmi.org/index.asp) for Version V1.3 one can expect what to get when the card arrives. As it stands the spec is good for current use but more work is needed to make it acceptable for future applications where HD-Audio and HD-Video are a must syncro data transaction of source and process.

One more thing. HDMI is great link; I do not doubt that. However more and more companies are undermining its future by using cheap chipsets for data com and switching. Some are compromising data integrity by poor PCB design and I/F. I hope these ills will not give you all a second guess.

eng.desk

Ethics

So your info is one year old? There have been lots of changes at Onkyo/Integra USA during the past year or so - a new president was named, several managers left the company, maybe some new decisions have been made with regard to the new cards?

R

No, the card info was from early June. It's an HDMI 1.2 card. I know all about the changes at Onkyo/Integra USA, however they don't make the final decisions about what gets made...that is up to Japan.

Eric

Hello,

does anyone have Firmware version later than 9.0 (10.0?)

I think I am on version 9.0 but need a later (9.1?) version.

The only firmware I can find on Oknyo site is this:

http://www.us.onkyo.com/download/firmware.cfm this is version 8.

Thanks,
Finlay

I had a 989 for 5 years. Umm. you folks are going to be sorely disappointed in their upgrades over the life of the product unless they have made changes.
The Onkyo Rep I used to speak with always repeated again and again how small a company Onkyo really was.

Good Luck folks and if I were in your shoes I would hold out for a HDMI 1.3 card w/ quality upscalling and 4 inputs. HDMI 1.2 won't cut it.

I had a 989 for 5 years. Umm. you folks are going to be sorely disappointed in their upgrades over the life of the product unless they have made changes.

I bet that most 989 owners will never buy Onkyo products again. The 'future-proof' 989 was a big lie.

Regarding changes: during the past year Onkyo USA got a new president and several big guys left the company. It remains to be seen if the changes are for better or worse. So far there's no indication that anything's really changed at Onkyo, their support is as bad as it's always been.

R

Good Luck folks and if I were in your shoes I would hold out for a HDMI 1.3 card w/ quality upscalling and 4 inputs. HDMI 1.2 won't cut it.

I agree. Based on Onkyo's history with upgrades this is what will probably happen: Onkyo will release a 2/1 HDMI 1.2 card by the end of the year or the beginning of next year. In 2007 or 2008 the present flagships will be retired and new flagships with HDMI 1.3 will be released. The present flagships - The Onkyo NR1000, Integra 10.5, and IR RDC-7.1 - will never be upgraded to HDMI 1.3.

R

I'd be happy with HDMI 1.2 or even happier if they release an HD player with I-Link output that converts all new codecs to PCM.

I would just be happy if I could get audio thru the HDMI ports on the TX1000... :)

I'd be happy with HDMI 1.2 or even happier if they release an HD player with I-Link output that converts all new codecs to PCM.
put me down for one of those.

hello all...has anyone had any issues w/the audio from the Samsung Blu-ray player? I've had the Tosh HD-XA1 since it came out & love it...had not had many drop outs at all during many hours of playback...I just got the Samsung & have been watching movies on it all weekend...during the movie Crash, the receiver would pop off & then back on immediately after every so often...it probably happened 6-7 times...I thought it was the movie, it did it again on another movie after that...it doesn't seem too hot & it had been off for hours before watching Crash...this is REALLY bad, right? Right now i'm on firmware v1.9 if that helps...oh the Samsung is hooked up through the optical & the HDMI isn't going through the receiver... :eek:

is it only the samsung or any source.

If it is not doing it with other sources than all signs point to the sammy... ;)

If it is not doing it with other sources than all signs point to the sammy... ;)

as of right now, it's only the sammy...I also haven't used any other sources since it started earlier tonite....hopefully, it's the sammy but I don't know how/why it would power off/power on??? makes no sense...yet

a speaker wire short or a bad speaker will cause it have you checked your
speakers and connections.

hello all...has anyone had any issues w/the audio from the Samsung Blu-ray player? I've had the Tosh HD-XA1 since it came out & love it...had not had many drop outs at all during many hours of playback...I just got the Samsung & have been watching movies on it all weekend...during the movie Crash, the receiver would pop off & then back on immediately after every so often...it probably happened 6-7 times...I thought it was the movie, it did it again on another movie after that...it doesn't seem too hot & it had been off for hours before watching Crash...this is REALLY bad, right? Right now i'm on firmware v1.9 if that helps...oh the Samsung is hooked up through the optical & the HDMI isn't going through the receiver... :eek:

Try the DD 5.1 from the Sammy on all lionsgate titles. They all have a bug with the default DTS soundtrack.

Try the DD 5.1 from the Sammy on all lionsgate titles. They all have a bug with the default DTS soundtrack.


This problem has happened during playback in DD 5.1 EX, not DTS...

Then the only wat to confirm that it is the sammy is to try other sources or even hook up another dvd player...

This problem has happened during playback in DD 5.1 EX, not DTS...

Hmm, if it is not this problem maybe you got a defective Sammy ?

I used one with an Arcam AVP700 and all was fine. I did even connect the HDMI to the Arcam.

Oliver

Hmm, if it is not this problem maybe you got a defective Sammy ?

I used one with an Arcam AVP700 and all was fine. I did even connect the HDMI to the Arcam.

Oliver


Oliver,
did you happen to watch any Lionsgate titles when you hooked it up? When I get home later, i'm gonna try a non-Lionsgate title & see what happens, so far i've seen the problem w/Crash & The Punisher...I also have to try my Oppo & HD-XA1 later tonite before im sure it's the Sammy...

~Vince

Vince,

I watched Lord of War, Underworld Evolution and Ultraviolet.

I am sure that Lord Of War is a Lionsgate title, the others I don't know.
Sound was OK, only the picture quality was not up to HD-DVD standard.

Oliver

Did any of the firmware updates from 1.01 to 1.09 for the 1000 change anything with the hdmi hardware? I only ask because I have been having a little trouble with hdmi on my new dish network satellite receiver.

Nothing changed that I am aware of.

Hello?

Am I the only one who feels like a total fool for believing they would put out modules for this thing???

too many changes lately patience all good things in time.
i know i would have felt cheated if they offered a 1.1 card
but they may even wait longer for a 1.3 or what card
were you refereing to.

I am sure they will release a new HDMi module this Fall... Pretty sure atleast... :D

don't they always introduce new products at the september show.[cedia]

That's what I was thinking...

too many changes lately patience all good things in time.
i know i would have felt cheated if they offered a 1.1 card
but they may even wait longer for a 1.3 or what card
were you refereing to.

The only credible source of info we have - Eric - mentioned a 2x1 HDMI 1.2 card. No mention of HDMI 1.3. I myself think that we'll never see an HDMI 1.3 upgrade. Don't forget that the company has a poor upgrade history: the previous flahsgips - although labeled 'future-proof' - got ZERO upgrades.

R

If you guys are looking for HDMI 1.3. support in AVR's, I wouldn't expect that until around the middle of 2007. That's what we're hearing from pretty much all of the vendors.

Eric

with them releasing a dab fm card for the uk that at least
gives me hope here.

I'm still waiting on definitive word on the new cards and timeframes. Thus far, I think the only introductions slated for CEDIA Expo are the new DTR-6.7 receiver (with three HDMI in/1 out...transcoding from analog to digital video), a new distributed audio amp (8 source/4 zone) with keypads and new DVD players with HDMI.

There is also STILL no replacement receiver for the DTR-8.4/TX-NR901...

Eric

eric thanks for info is the dvd player high end.

Maybe one day they will announce a HD DVD player...

If you guys are looking for HDMI 1.3. support in AVR's, I wouldn't expect that until around the middle of 2007. That's what we're hearing from pretty much all of the vendors.

How about HD Radio and XM/Sirius cards?

R

hd radio card would be nice but i have heard its highly compressed on some stations.

Maybe one day they will announce a HD DVD player...

They are more or less HD DVD supporters but I doubt you will see anything before Gen 3. Onkyo cant afford to support a dead format and will wait until there is some sign of a winner or at least a longish term future for HD DVD. Toshiba still own a stake in Onkyo.

If Bluray doesn't get its act together by this Christmas then there is no reason HD DVD won't be around long term. I would much rather have them do a Sirius card. That would be awesome!

Very true, at this stage HD DVD is looking much stronger than most people would have expected. The recent quality of the Paramount titles is only going to help and I'm eagerly wating for the Canal Region Free titles here in the UK.

You never know, the Sirius card may well come. With the bad state of DAB everywhere but the UK I did not expect a DAB card but I should get my DAB capable RDC-7.1 back next week.

I agree. It seemed that with Sony's inclusion of the blu ray player in the PS3 that was slated for a spring 2006 release, that blu ray would be everywhere and HD DVD would have to pick up the slack. Now with the dates being pushed back on the PS3 and the majority of Blu Ray dvd players, this little high def dvd war got real interesting all of a sudden.

As far as Onkyo, I now have hope that we will receive an upgrade card or two here in America for the 1000. MY only fear now is that they have just waited to long and that we will only get these initial upgrades before they hit some limitation with the hardware that is not replaceable on the unit and we could get left behind. HDMI 1.2 is great, but it seems like 1.3 will be hot on its heels and might not get to make the upgrade cut off point.

I have a lot of faith here but its hard not to worry or doubt, especially with such a large investment. I just thought they would be a little quicker getting the upgrades out. I still hope they change their mind and make the decision to put more than (2) hdmi inputs on this next card.

seems like someone from marketing shuold be reading some of the threads
need or want hdmi
1}stb-cable or dish
2}hd-dvd or blu-ray
3}x-box or ps3
4}dvdr or dvd/ upcon multi-format

MY only fear now is that they have just waited to long and that we will only get these initial upgrades before they hit some limitation with the hardware that is not replaceable on the unit and we could get left behind.

Well, they might have hit some limitation already, that might explain why we haven't seen any new cards since the release of the flagships back in November 2004.

R

could be the realestate issue on the card.

I think someone earlier in this thread mentioned new mini connectors in HDMI 1.3, they would likely allow 4 In, 1 Out on the card.

i think that was for camera gear only so far.

I believe the mini connector just makes the actual connection device smaller for cameras, etc that have less room to put an input in. I still think that the hardware behind the connection device, processors, etc still have to be there. The cards have enough room for my physical inputs on the back, its more of a question if the actual board on the inside can hold all the processing equipment for those ports.

I would love to see a HDMI 1.2 card and a Sirius card (not holding my breath on the Sirius module due to their marketing with XM), but I thinkk the HDMI card should be a priority especially with the next-gen DVD players coming on the market...

well they have real close ties with toshiba so it should happen.

Don't expect HDMI 1.3 from anyone (except maybe the PS3, where Sony is probably snarfing up most of the chip supply for this year) until Q2 2007. That includes BD and HD DVD players, AVRs, pre-pro's, etc. There will be some introduced at CES in January, but they won't be shipping until the following months.

Eric

Denon has publicly stated Summer 2007 for any HDMI 1.3 support in their product line.

Eric

Eric,

Any idea if Onkyo will offer an HD radio card? How about XM/Sirius?

R

Sirius would be at the top of my list (outside a newer HDMI card)... :)

Sirius would be at the top of my list (outside a newer HDMI card)... :)

I too would like a Sirius card. As far as I understand an HDMI 1.3 card isn't possible right now but I don't really understand why an HD radio card or a Sirius card haven't been released yet.

R

Eric,

Mot sure if you can help me out, I live in Oz no one over here seems to know of any updates dealer/importer or other wise. I Have spent hours upon hours setting up my 10.5 and searching for radio stations thatI can actually recieve so far only found 5 out of 100's. I also see that the music server part that is suppposed to integrate with media player 10 is okay but one has to have all the files in media 10 in mp3 format or the reciever freezes up.

If any one else can helpo out with upgrades to the firmware or email me the files I would be so happy. Apart from that I am please with the DTR 10.5.

THis I think is my first ever post on the site so sorry it doesn't come out right

Thanks in anticipation

G

eric thanks for info is the dvd player high end.

They already have a very high end DVD player (with HDMI and firewire). The Integra model (DPS-10.5, which I personally own) and the IR model (RDV-1.1) can also process external sources with the built-in scaler.

I'm sure the new players will be further down the line.

Eric

Eric,

Any idea if Onkyo will offer an HD radio card? How about XM/Sirius?

R

I had heard that two new cards (AM/FM/XM and AM/FM/HD) were in development.
I dunno what will come to market, though.

Eric

Eric,

Mot sure if you can help me out, I live in Oz no one over here seems to know of any updates dealer/importer or other wise. I Have spent hours upon hours setting up my 10.5 and searching for radio stations thatI can actually recieve so far only found 5 out of 100's. I also see that the music server part that is suppposed to integrate with media player 10 is okay but one has to have all the files in media 10 in mp3 format or the reciever freezes up.

If any one else can helpo out with upgrades to the firmware or email me the files I would be so happy. Apart from that I am please with the DTR 10.5.

THis I think is my first ever post on the site so sorry it doesn't come out right

Thanks in anticipation

G

What firmware version do you have? The latest is 1.09. I assume that a firmware update for the 10.5 is coming that will address Net-Tune issues, just like have already been released overseas for several lower-end models.

It gives Windows Media 10 compatibility to the Internet Radio and much better connectivity, among other things.


The major reason we can't get many stations any longer is that the stations have changed codecs. That's what the upgrade has helped with.

Eric

I actually sent an email through to integra in the sates yesterday having searched around the net for a false phone number and address in the states I could use to fill in the questionnaire.
What a service, by the time I got up I had a reply through to contact my dealer over here which I have done and the reply is, there are no firmware upgrades for the 10.5 or they too will be on the net. I explained info from the forums and I wont say what reply I got to that. Apparently the only person in Oz that may be able to help if there is any thing at all (though they would know if there was and there isn't) is away for a few weeks.

So as for some slander on the support I have read over there, in my case it was outstanding i actually had the reply within 2 hours but was in bed at that time.
Well done Integra US.

G

Ah just found the spell check thing too

Eric,

Okay maybe I was totaly wrong with the firmware updates, I have the 1.09 on the main unit the I.Link is 1.01 and the Net Tune is 1.00. Having seen up dates for all the other lower models I assumed there must be one for the 10.5 as one would think the more money one pays or the higher the grade the sooner one would get an upgrade.

What really upset me was only being able to down load the latest net tune software and one can only fire it up if you have media player 10. Then there is an issue on the US integra site in FAQ's where one clients receiver was freezing up when playing the music server the reply was to install media player 9, as this was happening to me I did this but then the Net Tune wouldn't fire up until I put on media player 10.

Suppose I will just have to suck it and see. Is the 10.5 not the same as the 5000e and the 1000e

Ta
G
I welcome any thing on the above Eric

They already have a very high end DVD player (with HDMI and firewire). The Integra model (DPS-10.5, which I personally own) and the IR model (RDV-1.1) can also process external sources with the built-in scaler.

I'm sure the new players will be further down the line.

Eric
sorry i worded it wrong i have that player i should have said hd=dvd since toshiba
makes their players just curious.

Upgrade Denon AVC-A1XVA and AVC-A11XVA (Europe)

Converter Analog/Digital 12 bits/216Mhz
Upscaling video to 1080p
Conversion signals from composite, composante and S-video to HDMI (like Onkyo NR-5000)
Switch HDMI
2 HDMI added
Ethernet connectivity advanced
Internet Radio, manage audio stream from computer (like NetTune ...)
Support MP3, WMA and PCM (like NetTune ...)
Manage the receivers from a web page

Availability ? Perhaps in September...
Price ???

I think manage my receiver from a my browser will be really nice, upgrade via Ethernet and backup the configuration from my Mac (or PC) will be a nice feature
2 HDMI added is a good one too...
About HDMI version ???

Xavier

I doubt it is possible, but it would be nice if they could use the existing ethernet port on the net tune card to allow us to access the receiver and manage it from a computer. The ability to upgrade the units firmware, etc through the much faster ethernet port would be much better than connecting a serial cable from 1976 up to the back of the machine. I might have to go and get my commodore 64 unit and hook it up to the 1000 and see what i can do.

they have a great product now if someone high up in
the division would read this forum and try to make
some provisions it would be an even greater product.

Did anyone else feel somewhat underwhelmed when they first started going through all the options in the set up menus?

Don't get me wrong, because this receiver seems to do just about everything. I just assumed for the price and all the features that there would be so many options that i would never learn them all.

I can't even really think of anything right now off the top of my head that this machine needs, but i just remember my initial feeling after going through the menus was "Is this it?"

I doubt it is possible, but it would be nice if they could use the existing ethernet port on the net tune card to allow us to access the receiver and manage it from a computer. The ability to upgrade the units firmware, etc through the much faster ethernet port would be much better than connecting a serial cable from 1976 up to the back of the machine. I might have to go and get my commodore 64 unit and hook it up to the 1000 and see what i can do.


This feature has been long in development. Apparently, Japan sent over the Windows config app to the US and they sent it back due to "bugs". This was quite a few months ago. We dealers were informed about this feature back just after the product was released, I do believe.

Eric

This feature must be a pretty low priority then?

he did say windows

This feature must be a pretty low priority then?

I think so... It's actually for us (the dealers) more so than the end-users.

It's not like it can't be configured or updated without it...

Eric

Well yes.

Now that Onkyo does not allow us to download the updates ourselves and have to take them to dealers to do so.

I know that here in Kansas, where I live, a true onkyo dealer is almost non existent.

I know that you are a dealer and from everything I have read that you post, you truly do your best to take care of your customers. For me in this area, its not that simple and you generally find honest dealers.

I bought my unit from a retail store here in Kansas but they do not do service or maintnance as they are just a seller, not a servicer.

That leaves me with the only option which is to do it myself and having an ethernet connection and upgrade utility would be perfect.

I would also expect that having a more automated system would cut down on the user error that onkyo was having when they did allow customers to download the firmware.

Hello all.Now that Onkyo have released the 604 with an auddessey system ;the flagship cant be far behind surely ;even with the track record for cards :( Now that the ver a hdmi card [19 pin] is to be superceded by the ver b [24 pins] ; are the extra pins for bandwidth 165 verses 340 mghz ? Or for 2 way communication like firewire [1394] al- ready has? Is version b endemic to 1.3? Any speculation on HD / Blu-ray 2nd gen players haveing firewire so dts hd and dolby true hd can use the firewire card? This would solve everything ;)

Well yes.

Now that Onkyo does not allow us to download the updates ourselves and have to take them to dealers to do so.

I know that here in Kansas, where I live, a true onkyo dealer is almost non existent.

I know that you are a dealer and from everything I have read that you post, you truly do your best to take care of your customers. For me in this area, its not that simple and you generally find honest dealers.

I bought my unit from a retail store here in Kansas but they do not do service or maintnance as they are just a seller, not a servicer.

That leaves me with the only option which is to do it myself and having an ethernet connection and upgrade utility would be perfect.

I would also expect that having a more automated system would cut down on the user error that onkyo was having when they did allow customers to download the firmware.

Actually, I'm not an Onkyo dealer...I'm an Integra dealer. Two different franchises, although, of course, both are from Onkyo USA. There are only certain Onkyo-branded items I can sell, such as the iPOD dock and some lower-end products (HTIB's, etc). I know a lot of you are just looking for the "lowest price possible"...caveat emptor...you get what you pay for...and I don't mean the products per se, but all of the other things associated with it. Like the dealer and support! Integra products also have longer warranties than the Onkyo versions (3 years P&L on most items).

Integra-branded products are targeted for the custom installation market. They have RS-232 ports on ALL of the AV receivers, for example (and DVD players). Some higher quality components than the Onkyo version. (Capacitors, etc).
Frankly, I don't know what is/has been released to the Onkyo dealers (if anything), as I don't have access to the Onkyo dealer website.

Eric

I won't say much more about this, but dealer support is not all that it is supposed to be in the majority of dealer facilities. I just want to congratulate you and thank you for being a great resource on this website and treating your integra customers with such quality. I do believe you bend over backwards to help your customers. What i do not agree with is that all dealers are like you and therefore worth the extra cash.

There is a lot I have to say about this but it doesn't really matter in the end as it is a choice of mine based on many past experiences. It is just my opinoin that many dealers build themselves up to seem like they are giving you so much more, but as soon as a problem comes around, they close their wallets up and try to push you down the road.

Hello all.Now that Onkyo have released the 604 with an auddessey system ;the flagship cant be far behind surely ;even with the track record for cards :( Now that the ver a hdmi card [19 pin] is to be superceded by the ver b [24 pins] ; are the extra pins for bandwidth 165 verses 340 mghz ? Or for 2 way communication like firewire [1394] al- ready has? Is version b endemic to 1.3? Any speculation on HD / Blu-ray 2nd gen players haveing firewire so dts hd and dolby true hd can use the firewire card? This would solve everything ;)

Sorry for my ignorance in this discussion, but does the higher pin count mean that the old hdmi cables will not match up with these newer HDMI ports?

That would be terrible as I paid a crap ton of money to buy a 50ft hdmi cable to run to my projector.

Upgrade Denon AVC-A1XVA and AVC-A11XVA (Europe)

Converter Analog/Digital 12 bits/216Mhz
Upscaling video to 1080p
Conversion signals from composite, composante and S-video to HDMI (like Onkyo NR-5000)
Switch HDMI
2 HDMI added
Ethernet connectivity advanced
Internet Radio, manage audio stream from computer (like NetTune ...)
Support MP3, WMA and PCM (like NetTune ...)
Manage the receivers from a web page

Availability ? Perhaps in September...
Price ???

I think manage my receiver from a my browser will be really nice, upgrade via Ethernet and backup the configuration from my Mac (or PC) will be a nice feature
2 HDMI added is a good one too...
About HDMI version ???

Xavier

Xavier,

This is rather off-topic, not being a Denon thread...but here in the US, the upgrade cost is $1000, plus shipping.

Eric

Sorry Egcarter ;-)
All people wrote in the thread that they want an update now for TX-NR1000 or NR5000. And Denon seems be better. It's not correct !
All features are always in Onkyo :
Conversion signals
Switch HDMI
Ethernet connectivity
Internet radio
Manage audio stream with NetTune

Great upgrade for $1000 from Denon but it's already available inside TX-NR-1000 or NR5000 ...

My wishes :
I hope an upgrade for the HDMI module to version 1.2 or v1.3
I hope access to new decoder like DolbyDigital HD or DTS HD via Firewire or HDMI
I hope "Audyssey" system to calibrate my system.
I hope in a near future

That's it

Xavier

I won't say much more about this, but dealer support is not all that it is supposed to be in the majority of dealer facilities. I just want to congratulate you and thank you for being a great resource on this website and treating your integra customers with such quality. I do believe you bend over backwards to help your customers. What i do not agree with is that all dealers are like you and therefore worth the extra cash.

There is a lot I have to say about this but it doesn't really matter in the end as it is a choice of mine based on many past experiences. It is just my opinoin that many dealers build themselves up to seem like they are giving you so much more, but as soon as a problem comes around, they close their wallets up and try to push you down the road.


In my case, I don't even have an authorized Onkyo dealer that carries the parts I wound up purchasing - the NR1000 and the SP1000. I chose Crutchfield as they are authorized and reliable. They are not even close to being the cheapest.

Sorry for my ignorance in this discussion, but does the higher pin count mean that the old hdmi cables will not match up with these newer HDMI ports?

That would be terrible as I paid a crap ton of money to buy a 50ft hdmi cable to run to my projector.
I got the version b pin count wrong Rice0209 ; its actually 29 pins and according to Wikepedia its for an expanded video channel > greater than 1080p.Hopefully there will be adaptors [dvi/hdmi style] and HDMI allways emphasises backwards compatability. :cool:

I doubt it is possible, but it would be nice if they could use the existing ethernet port on the net tune card to allow us to access the receiver and manage it from a computer. The ability to upgrade the units firmware, etc through the much faster ethernet port would be much better than connecting a serial cable from 1976 up to the back of the machine. I might have to go and get my commodore 64 unit and hook it up to the 1000 and see what i can do.

The serial port is ideal for system control since lots of software like hyperterminal on virtually any OS allows for easy debugging and control and virtually all automation systems offer RS232. Whilst Ethernet might well be faster, it would add complexity (You would have to packetise and stream to the receiver MAC address) and the Integras do not include the Nettune module as standard so it would be of no benefit to a fair number of users. Its not very often you upgrade firmware, IMHO waiting an hour or two isnt that bad.

hello all...does anyone have any info on the "phantom" HDMI card that allegedly coming sometime this summer? I have this strange feeling that seasons will once again change w/no new cards...Good thing that Onkyo has supported this thing :)

with september cedia being this close we probably will
not see it till then.

I am sure they would not let another year go by without a new HDMI card. Not with the receiver Nostradumus would by... ;)

The serial port is ideal for system control since lots of software like hyperterminal on virtually any OS allows for easy debugging and control and virtually all automation systems offer RS232. Whilst Ethernet might well be faster, it would add complexity (You would have to packetise and stream to the receiver MAC address) and the Integras do not include the Nettune module as standard so it would be of no benefit to a fair number of users. Its not very often you upgrade firmware, IMHO waiting an hour or two isnt that bad.

The problem is that too many people have passed by serial ports and do not use them. I believe this is one of the reasons that Onkyo decided to stop letting people upgrade their own units.

Over an ethernet connection, the download would be almost instantaneous. I think a lot of people probably got impatient and unplugged the cable or somehow interfered. Any bit of lost information in the uload will result in a ba firmware version.

If they can make this process any easier and quicker, it would be to their benefit and their customers as well.

Its just a wish of mine anyway.

Sorry for my ignorance in this discussion, but does the higher pin count mean that the old hdmi cables will not match up with these newer HDMI ports?

That would be terrible as I paid a crap ton of money to buy a 50ft hdmi cable to run to my projector.

Interesting... it looks like the 29-pin connector is for dual-link, which is something that's been around on DVI for a while. My Apple 1600p 30" monitor uses it, for example. With DVI, however, the connectors are the same and a dual-link cable works just fine with single-link devices.

Could the HDMI spec be any more screwed up?

--
Steve

at least they changed their opening web page so maybe we will see something.

Good point!

[QUOTE=Jase H]Link here for the DAB module:-

Jace H this DAB module is very interesting as Australia is conducting digital radio trials at the moment.I wonder if the European system is similar.The system out here buffers the sound for 5 seconds or so - a sort of timeshift - handy for recording[ copyright permitting of course].Does the Euro system have similar pause capabilities ? The coax input is similar to our fm inputs.

Here is the stastions available in you area:
http://www.wohnort.demon.co.uk/DAB/a-f.html#Australia

I dont think it buffers, if you live in Sydney or Melbourne then the DAB module could be useful to you.

hello all...I have a serious dilemma & was hoping for a little help...is anyone familiar w/triggering the amp protection circuit? Has anyone had this happen to them & can it be reset by me instead of a technician? I had posted sometime back about the Samsung Blu-ray player shutting my receiver off & then back on...it has now happened w/every other component I have hooked up to it...it will when I turn it on, immediately click back off & then back on...sort of like a flicker, if you will...it would periodically turn off & then immediately back on during the course of a movie...the support rep for Onkyo thought it was getting power surges, but I have it hooked up to a Panamax 5400 line conditioner so that's probably doubtful...does anyone have any experience w/problems like this? I desperately don't want to remove this thing & bring it in for repair, but that's looking like my only option...I also performed a master reset that didn't fix it...also, i'm running w/the v1.09 firmware( thanks again, joerod )

~Vince

i would send it in that sounds abnormal
you may have done this i don't know
but are the speaker wires touching anything
other than their proper post.

i would send it in that sounds abnormal
you may have done this i don't know
but are the speaker wires touching anything
other than their proper post.



from what i can see, it looks like everything is hooked up correctly & not touching...this sucks :(

Here is the stastions available in you area:
I dont think it buffers, if you live in Sydney or Melbourne then the DAB module could be useful to you.
Thanks Krobar ; ABC radio is Australia wide [ eventually ] and the rest are commercial but heavily networked due to our small population.Sydney;s only 70 miles away as the crow flies so I'll put up a directional antennae if the government lingers. :)

Brogan2424,

That does sound more like a speaker wire problem. Mine would shut on and off randomly through movies as well. My problem was that i used some monster interconnects that had metal rings on the outside of them and the +/- inputs were close enough that they allowed those outside metal rings on the interconnects to touch. I had to put tape around them to stop the connection.

I would doublecheck all your connections at the receiver and speaker end and make sure something did not move or change. I would just go to each connection, unplug it or take it out and reconnect it and make sure that everything is proper, then try again. Another thing you can do is run the speaker test for each channel and see if it is one channel that causes the problem. This is how i figured it out last time and pinpointed where the bad wiring was.

Brogan2424,

That does sound more like a speaker wire problem. Mine would shut on and off randomly through movies as well. My problem was that i used some monster interconnects that had metal rings on the outside of them and the +/- inputs were close enough that they allowed those outside metal rings on the interconnects to touch. I had to put tape around them to stop the connection.

I would doublecheck all your connections at the receiver and speaker end and make sure something did not move or change. I would just go to each connection, unplug it or take it out and reconnect it and make sure that everything is proper, then try again. Another thing you can do is run the speaker test for each channel and see if it is one channel that causes the problem. This is how i figured it out last time and pinpointed where the bad wiring was.


Rice0209,
thanks for the reply, man...you're the 1st person that i've heard that's had this problem...I use the metal monter interconnects as well & I had a problem w/one coming loose before all this started...when you were having this problem, when you would power on initially would the unit flicker off then back on again? The tech asked me if I ever saw an error message which would indicate that the amp protection circuit was activated on the screen & i've never seen one...I was initially gonna bring in for service tonite, but I think i'll take the weekend & reconnect all my speaker wires...what would be the easiest/most secure way to connect?

separate bananas where no stray wires can touch with plastic bodies.
wbt are absolutely the best.

Oh yeah! Those are the best... I use them without any issues... :)

I just got my Integra back from upgrade and it now has firmware 2.00.

Details Here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8141535#post8141535

I wonder when we will see that firmware offered?

I wonder when we will see that firmware offered?

I'm not sure, I suspect the reason Onkyo UK refused to send me the module and firmware is that they did not want me to release that firmware into the wild. It is the first release from a new version and I have found one fairly minor bug already. If you set pure mode then the DAB module will light up the display quickly every 2 seconds, the same thing happens in the menu but all other sound modes are unaffected.

The menu is more responsive than before (I used to get a short pause after one of the menu items). Other wise it seems everything else runs smoothly as before.

I too searched the net and found nothing. I'm in California, maybe I should try to contact the state attorney general office and see if it's true or not.

R

Contact California Attorney general office ask for a letter that was sent to them mid 2004 regarding this matter. They also should have about 2000 units with serial numbers on hand to compare it to. But remember that is not the only data. What they have is only a sample. The number of units exceeds 12 to 15 thousands.

You may also contact Mr. Richard an Attorney at the FTC office in Washington Office. He too has copies.

Ethics

Why over the internet upgrade may be a bit difficult. First of all, the consumer setting information has to be saved some where. The trouble with that is the unit has to have a large enough memory to open the file, save consumer setting and then install the update. On the average some softwares could be as big as 20meg or more. The more function the more control data. Most manufacturers shay away from giving consumers a lots of memory just for the sake of future update. It is all about nickle and dime. The best solution is design. Had the unit been designed to accommodate readily available memory chips then your idea would work great. But then, that requires open mind.

Is it me or are alot of Ethics posts somewhat OT.

The Onkyo has the hardware required for Internet based upgrades, you dont need any more memory since you just stream the firmware into RAM. The majority of manufacturers do not offer firmware updates at all for their amps and auto internet update is even rarer. The amount of dead HD-A1s due to Internet updates gone bad should indicate some of the potential issues. The Onkyo firmware is only 4 mbyte and it has more than enugh memory to accommodate copying to RAM, checksumming and then quick copying to Flash.

If you check his posts Ethics is on an anti Onkyo crusade ! I don't really have a problem with that if makes him happy but I suspect he would like us all to join in ;)

Rice0209,
thanks for the reply, man...you're the 1st person that i've heard that's had this problem...I use the metal monter interconnects as well & I had a problem w/one coming loose before all this started...when you were having this problem, when you would power on initially would the unit flicker off then back on again? The tech asked me if I ever saw an error message which would indicate that the amp protection circuit was activated on the screen & i've never seen one...I was initially gonna bring in for service tonite, but I think i'll take the weekend & reconnect all my speaker wires...what would be the easiest/most secure way to connect?

Brogan,

I kept my monster interconnects as they are very nice and expensive! My problem may have only been particular to me because my speaker terminals were so close together that they caused the positve and negative interconnects to touch. For those with plastic bodied interconnects that would not be a problem. The body of my monster interconnects are plastic, but about half way up the body, the gold and metal head starts for where you screw the wire securely into the body. On my speakers, these gold/metal heads could rub together because of the proximity of the speaker terminals. My other speakers do not have this problem as some are bananas and some are spaced far enough apart.

When I figured this out, it was a very similiar situation two yours. My right rear speaker was the problem. We were watching a movie and everytime this very loud scene would come on, the whole unit would just shut down. I would turn it back on and it would do it again. Finally, it showed me the error about amp protection circuit. Although I have had that happen to me before, I didn't remember what it meant. Since the overload would happen during loud scenes, i did the loudness test for each channel and every time it hit the right rear channel the unit would shut off. That is how i figured it out. When i checked the speaker, i saw the two gold/metal contacts touching.

To fix it, I just took some black electrical tape and wrapped it around the gold/metal and plastic body. This way, even if they do touch, then won't make contact circuit wise and cause the amp to shut down. Never had a problem since.

The connection of your speakerwires to the interconnects is probably fine, just make sure that there is no contact between the positive and negative terminals or you will always get this problem.

The idea I was proposing earlier for upgrading the machine through ethernet would be no different than flashing the firmware of a router or cable/dsl modem. As long as their is a physical ethernet connection between the intended networked device and a computer, you can download the new firmware to the computer and then use a flash utility to flash the firmware.

This is pretty standard stuff and if $50 router can employ this "extremely techincal and expensive" technology than a $5000 receiver should be able to do it as well.

Firmware flashes through ethernet are extremely quick for the most part depending on the size of the firmware file. The TX NR1000 already has the net tune port but i am not sure if it can be linked to the firmware. That is why I was hoping for an upgraded card that would either give you an expanded use ethernet/net tune port or just put a second ethernet port in altogether that could connect with the firmware and update it.

Brogan,

I kept my monster interconnects as they are very nice and expensive! My problem may have only been particular to me because my speaker terminals were so close together that they caused the positve and negative interconnects to touch. For those with plastic bodied interconnects that would not be a problem. The body of my monster interconnects are plastic, but about half way up the body, the gold and metal head starts for where you screw the wire securely into the body. On my speakers, these gold/metal heads could rub together because of the proximity of the speaker terminals. My other speakers do not have this problem as some are bananas and some are spaced far enough apart.

When I figured this out, it was a very similiar situation two yours. My right rear speaker was the problem. We were watching a movie and everytime this very loud scene would come on, the whole unit would just shut down. I would turn it back on and it would do it again. Finally, it showed me the error about amp protection circuit. Although I have had that happen to me before, I didn't remember what it meant. Since the overload would happen during loud scenes, i did the loudness test for each channel and every time it hit the right rear channel the unit would shut off. That is how i figured it out. When i checked the speaker, i saw the two gold/metal contacts touching.

To fix it, I just took some black electrical tape and wrapped it around the gold/metal and plastic body. This way, even if they do touch, then won't make contact circuit wise and cause the amp to shut down. Never had a problem since.

The connection of your speakerwires to the interconnects is probably fine, just make sure that there is no contact between the positive and negative terminals or you will always get this problem.


Rice0209,
I think our problems are definitely different now...my unit would just pop-off & then immediately back on by itself...after trying to figure it out for weeks I finally brought it in to be serviced...I figured it was gonna take awhile & I wanted to start it as soon as possible...

Newbie,

I took the time of reading most about this thread, but couldn't find anything that describes my shortcoming.
I have a 5000E since march last year and upgraded myself to firmware 1.08
I automated the receiver using its serial port, HouseBot and some touchscreens which are capable of controlling all of the receivers features and display status.
I found some bugs in firmware 1.08 and was wondering if 1.09 or up had fixed them. One of them is that the Zone3 Power status is not sent via the serial port when Zone 3 is powered on or off whereas the main power would do just that.

The one annoying thing I have with this receiver is that I can't have HDMI / Component video out whit speakers B selected. It seems to me that that is just a software glitch. Maybe someone here can confirm that and even tell me if that is still the case with higher firmware version.

I have set up two main rooms with speakers. One room has a HDMI plasma and the other has a HDMI beamer. By using a HDMI splitter I can double the HDMI output, but it is of no use since only one room (the one which is set to speakers A) puts the HDMI / Component signals through whereas speakers B only displays CVBS and SVideo.

Anyone??

I'll take some screenshots of 2.00 powering up and down zone 3 on Hyperterminal tongiht for you.

Please look for the following:

Have the complete set in STBY, then switch on Zone 2 and look for
!1ZPW01

Same goes for Zone 3 and look for
!1PW301

Where the last two digits 01 mean On and 00 mean Off.

Thanks..
Firmware 1.09 still doesn't do it.

I dont get on or off reported on Z2 or Z3, it works fine on the main zone. When starting either zone it does report the Input that zone is on. My documentation doesnt even cover zone 3 although it seems a pretty logical step from the Zone2 documentation :)

Thanks,

It qualifies as a bug if you ask me.
If you want to have the zone3 docs, send me a PM.
I worked around this problem by requesting the zone 2 and 3 power status after receiving the input from that zone by setting !1ZPWQSTN and !1PW3QSTN

Also when Speakers B is selected, I still don't see the Audio and Video Output assign menu in the settings menu 1 which is why I can't have HDMI out on Speakers B. That is really what annoys me most about this unit, all the rest is super.

Thanks,

Also when Speakers B is selected, I still don't see the Audio and Video Output assign menu in the settings menu 1 which is why I can't have HDMI out on Speakers B. That is really what annoys me most about this unit, all the rest is super.

Yes, you can, the HDMI/Component outputs works as a monitor output, this is one of the changes for FW 1.09 (former FW turned off the HDMI/Component whenever speakers B was chosen).

I would be very curious to know how it is done then?!
I see menu's 18 (Audio Output Assign) and 19 (Video Output Assign) only when the unit is set to Speakers A.
When going into menu 19 I can see menus 19a - 19d being able to change CVBS 1 - 4 and menus 19e - 19h being able to change SVIDEO and then the rotary menu goes back to 19a. I can't find a menu to change HDMI as the monitor and walked through all available menus which I get in Speakers A and B.
I hope you are right. Do you have to changelog for version 1.09 and if so, could you post it (again?). Also can you tell me which menus to look at or generally how you would set it up. I just can't believe I cannot find it. My HDMI is switched off (as well as Component) as soon as Speakers B is selected even when HDMI Audio is Enabled.

I own the 5000E and am running FW 1.09

I have a 5000E to, however there might be two different(!) versions of the 1.09 firmware since I'm pretty sure that I already had 1.09 installed on my 5000E when I got this from Onkyo last autum (I had reported the issue as a bug).

You shouldn't really have to change anything in the speakers B settings all you have to do is to set the HDMI output to Video if I recall right. If I find the FW I can send it to you if you PM me your email address.

I just sent you a PM and tested some more. If I set HDMI to video (which can be done in the Input menu), I see nothing on both speakers A and B. I have to set HDMI to 1 which is the input I have connected to get a picture.
If you say that you got your unit with 1.09, then had an update and still have 1.09, it makes sense to me that there are more 1.09's out there. If you find it, please send it to the address you got in your PM.

Thanks..

I have a basic problem with my unit and I talked to Onkyo and they could not figure it out.
I have nothing connected to the TX1000 except a DVD player using component input 2 and analog input 2. The receiver is connected to my plasma TV with component out 1 and analogue out 2 and it is not possible with this $5k receiver to get an analogue signal out to the TV. I can not believe that this is possible. Onkyo told me they working on it. Did anyone ever try this simple setup?? All I can get is the analogue signal output to the speaker but there is no way to get this signal to any other in/out connectors on the TX1000....??
It looks like any input analog and digital can not be directed to any analog output.

What you want is very simpel to realize. You just need to set your system up right.
Go into the menu by pressing setup. You will see 1.Speaker. Press the knob once and you will see 11.Speaker
Rotate your left know on the system to the right until you reach menu 19.Video and press the knob again
Rotate it once more to the right and you will see menu 19b.CompositeV2
Now rote your right know clockwise until you see :Monitor Out A
After this, press exit three times and you will see the input (if it is setup OK in you menu 2 Input) of the DVD on your plasma.
Hope that helps...

Hi Bumper,

we figured out. I used the OSD menu and actually the video was not the problem, it was the analog Audio part but now it works just fine. I had to use menu 18 a-b and set it to "tape1/2 rec out. Now the works. I could not find anything in the manuel but after one hour Onkyo called me back and it worked just fine with this setup. Video out does not work for the analog outputs, only tape rec out.
Thank you for your response. I wished I could use the HDMI inputs and convert them to component out. I have 2 HDMI units attached to the receiver but HDMI to analog out will not work.

Sky-

Hey guys, I've been sifting through this thread for hours and I answered a few questions already. But I'm so tired of searching I just gotta as a couple questions i gotta ask.

First off I just got the 1000 and have it in place and hooked up. I have a DV-SP1000 also and it is hooked up via HDMI to "HDMI 1" on the receiver which works fine. I have the Sci atlantic HD-DVR hooked up via HDMI to "HDMI 2" and D-coax which should give me output if I select "video 1". correct? Well it doesn't, no matter what I change in the setup menu, at least what I've been able to play with, I cannot get it to switch the video to what is plugged into "HDMI 2". If I swap the DVR and SP1000 HDMI cables I just get whatever program is on the cable box on the screen. No matter what video input is selected (1-7) the picture displayed is whatever source is plugged into "HDMI 1". Audio switches fine so I'm assuming I'm just missing something in the setup menus. Which, BTW, I also don't have an OSD. But if I read correctly that is because I can't overlay the OSD on a screen from an HDMI source. Correct? I'd have to get to video 2 and set up the menu that video 2 output is set to HDMI? Is this correct?

From the NR1000 i go to a video processor then to an Optoma projector and all is well there. Just the video switching in the onkyo. I basically get video from the HDMI 1 input. Can you guys help me out? Thanks in advance.

Hanky

You should have an OSD display. The receiver kills the HDMI output from your connected device and then puts the complete OSD through. I couldn't even turn it off.
I only have a PC connected to HDMI 1, but I changed it to HDMI 2 and after the menus were changed, I got HDMI out on HDMI 2 as well.
You may want to post your settings here before we all start guessing.
Good luck -> at least you know now it should work!

Thanks Tya for the PM's. My HDMI / Component out now also works with Speakers B!

I have a 5000E to, however there might be two different(!) versions of the 1.09 firmware since I'm pretty sure that I already had 1.09 installed on my 5000E when I got this from Onkyo last autum (I had reported the issue as a bug).

You shouldn't really have to change anything in the speakers B settings all you have to do is to set the HDMI output to Video if I recall right. If I find the FW I can send it to you if you PM me your email address.

Hey guys, I've been sifting through this thread for hours and I answered a few questions already. But I'm so tired of searching I just gotta as a couple questions i gotta ask.

First off I just got the 1000 and have it in place and hooked up. I have a DV-SP1000 also and it is hooked up via HDMI to "HDMI 1" on the receiver which works fine. I have the Sci atlantic HD-DVR hooked up via HDMI to "HDMI 2" and D-coax which should give me output if I select "video 1". correct? Well it doesn't, no matter what I change in the setup menu, at least what I've been able to play with, I cannot get it to switch the video to what is plugged into "HDMI 2". If I swap the DVR and SP1000 HDMI cables I just get whatever program is on the cable box on the screen. No matter what video input is selected (1-7) the picture displayed is whatever source is plugged into "HDMI 1". Audio switches fine so I'm assuming I'm just missing something in the setup menus. Which, BTW, I also don't have an OSD. But if I read correctly that is because I can't overlay the OSD on a screen from an HDMI source. Correct? I'd have to get to video 2 and set up the menu that video 2 output is set to HDMI? Is this correct?

From the NR1000 i go to a video processor then to an Optoma projector and all is well there. Just the video switching in the onkyo. I basically get video from the HDMI 1 input. Can you guys help me out? Thanks in advance.

Hanky


MrHanky,

This may or may not be the problem but I thought I would relay information that might help you. If I remember right, your Sci Atlantic HD DVR has had some compatability issues with some hdmi devices. I think it had to do with HDCP compliance and not getting a proper handshake, which results in no picture. If you have all your settings set correctly, DVR plugged into HDMI 2 with receiver input set to pick up hdmi 2 port, and hdmi to the projector with the projector displaying its hdmi ports signal and you are not getting a signal then this could be the problem. I would next try taking your receiver out of the equation by hooking the hdmi cable directly from the DVR to the projector and see if this works. If you still get no picture, it could be the HDCP handshake or possibly a setting withing the DVR options.

I am going through something similiar with my new Dish Network 622 receivers. I have never gotten a signal from the HDMI port from day one and it is a known issue with these receivers. It is reported to be a problem with HDCP compliance and they better get it fixed as it is driving me crazy.

MrHanky,

I have the SA 8300HD DVR and that works fine via HDMI...but this, of course is dependent on the S/W that your cable company is running on it. It didn't work properly until a few months ago.

Under SETUP for Video 2 (which you can rename something like CABLE, if you like), and INPUT SETUP, be sure under "HDMI", you select "2".

All other video inputs you may use (Component, S-Video, Composite) in the INPUT SETUP, under "HDMI", select "Video". That will transcode their analog video to HDMI.

If that fails, Try removing the video processor from the chain.

Eric

But he says that if he swappes the two HDMI cables, the cable box works just fine on HDMI 1. It figures that the cable box has no compatibility issues I would say. There must be something wrong in his settings.


If I swap the DVR and SP1000 HDMI cables I just get whatever program is on the cable box on the screen.

But he says that if he swappes the two HDMI cables, the cable box works just fine on HDMI 1. It figures that the cable box has no compatibility issues I would say. There must be something wrong in his settings.


I would say it's his INPUT SETUP for Video 2 doesn't have HDMI set to "2".

Eric

Hey guys thanks for all the responses. Yes, I do get video from the SA if I swap the input to HDMI 1. I have not yet tried to use "video 2" and change the input to HDMI. I figured that the default setting for the "video 1" is set to HDMI 2 so the switching should have worked. When I get back home I'll try to switch my interconnects to "video 2" and select HDMI "2" as you suggested Eric and we'll see where we go from there.

As far as the OSD I have yet to see any signs of one coming up on the screen. I only have HDMI output from the 1000 and no other video connections to the scaler. I did try to also hook the 1000 up directly to the projector via the HDMI and did not see an OSD so I was thinking that it is not possible with the HDMI out of the 1000. I was trying to set this thing up between getting home from the office and leaving for the weekend (about an hour to hour and a half) and I REALLY couldn't concentrate on what the settings were because I was reading it off the front panel instead of the OSD. I'm sure I would have been able to figure it out if I had that OSD to work with.

It just seemed weird that on every video input dvd, video 1 - video-7 the only picture I got was whatever was plugged into HDMI 1. Didn't matter if it was the SP1000 or the SA DVR. I haven't even played with the other sources yet. LOL like is said I was in a rush and I was also really excited to get that sucker hooked up. Now I've spent my time at the beach trying to figure out what the heck could be the problem. :confused: Anyone ever have that problem when you have a problem with a system or anything for that matter and you have to leave it for a while and just mull over what you think could be the problem? And the worst part is you can't just walk to the other room and try the posible solution that you just thought of! So annoying!

Thanks again

Hanky

mrhanky06,
You won't see any OSD (except for the setup menu) if you use HDMI as input, it's only working for S-Video or composite. This is a MAJOR drawback if you ask me, especially if you have a multi-room setup (In the second room it is not possible to see any changes on the recever since you can't see the small display on the front). On a top of a range receiver it really should work with HDMI & component.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that when I wrote this some posts ago:

You should have an OSD display. The receiver kills the HDMI output from your connected device and then puts the complete OSD through. I couldn't even turn it off.

The settings OSD makes place for the HDMI video output. No volume or anything is displayed while watching to true HDMI output. Although I kind of understood he mentioned the settings menu since he couldn't see what he was setting up. Again, that has something todo with his input setting.
I was also disappointed to not have an OSD on HDMI, but I could ask if it is technically possible? As far as I know, the top model of Denon also doesn't do this. Maybe it has something todo with the integrety of the HDMI digital data.
Could someone tell me if there are sets out there that actually do display an OSD on HDMI?

mrhanky06,
You won't see any OSD (except for the setup menu) if you use HDMI as input, it's only working for S-Video or composite. This is a MAJOR drawback if you ask me, especially if you have a multi-room setup (In the second room it is not possible to see any changes on the recever since you can't see the small display on the front). On a top of a range receiver it really should work with HDMI & component.

Hey guys, I got everything working. I was able to get the OSD up over HDMI it just cuts off the video that is playing then overlays the OSD on a black screen. Once that was up I was able to get everything setup properly. And of course I had more than an hour to work with this time. :)

Video from the DV-SP1000 DVD is awsome coming through HDMI to the NX1000 then out to the scaler via HDMI then to the projector! The rest of everything works great. The SA DVR is working nicely except it cust off some of the picture no matter what setting I am in. I know its not lost in the scaler or receiver because I hooked it up direct to the projector and still got the picture cut off on the left and right even if I tried to shift screen in the projector menu.

Anyway, the only other glitch that I am getting is every now and then the picture will drop off for a split second on DVD if I am in 1080i out from the DVD player. If I go to 720p it never happens. Was wondering if anyone else has the DV-
SP1000 and a TX-NR1000 and might have experienced this problem. But other than that it is an EXCELLENT picture in 1080i out from the DVD. Apollo 13 IMAX version was awsome. I don't really like any movies that are only DolbyDigital but DTS movies and DTS-ES movies are sweet!!!

Well if anyone has any suggestions about the picture popping off for a split second let me know.

Thanks.

Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that when I wrote this some posts ago:

You should have an OSD display. The receiver kills the HDMI output from your connected device and then puts the complete OSD through. I couldn't even turn it off.

The settings OSD makes place for the HDMI video output. No volume or anything is displayed while watching to true HDMI output. Although I kind of understood he mentioned the settings menu since he couldn't see what he was setting up. Again, that has something todo with his input setting.
I was also disappointed to not have an OSD on HDMI, but I could ask if it is technically possible? As far as I know, the top model of Denon also doesn't do this. Maybe it has something todo with the integrety of the HDMI digital data.
Could someone tell me if there are sets out there that actually do display an OSD on HDMI?

The OSD chip they are using does probably not support overlay on HDMI/Component (could even be the same Ol´chip as they use on their 939 model from the middle 90´s, at least the graphics looks the same). You do get overlay over HDMI/Component output IF the input signal is S-Video/composite eg if an upconversion is needed.

I have suggested to Onkyo that they could quickly change the input to S-Video/composite (if you use HDMI/component) when you press a button on the remote. This will make it possible to show the OSD changes if you have an extra S-Video/composite cable to your video apart from the HDMI/Component (The setup screen that works with OSD works in a similar way, if you decide to not connect an extra cable the screen vill just go black but the OSD info will be there).

Phew...that was one messy description on something rather easy, hope you understood what I meant there :-)

I was looking at the weekly Integra product availability list posted on Friday (8/18) for Integra dealers and there was a new item there. It's listed as shipping in the 4th week of August. Called the CHDXM (they haven't told Integra dealers anything about it), but judging by the way they name the products, I would say it's a new HD Radio/XM radio card for the card-based receivers. I have no idea how much it costs....

Actually, I just logged into the ordering system and I DO know how much. MSRP is $300.

There are also at least two new receivers (DTR-6.7 and DTR-7.7) and two CD players (DPS-6.7 and DPC-7.7 changer) and what looks like a tuner (TUN-7.7) coming soon from Integra.


Eric

I was looking at the weekly Integra product availability list posted on Friday (8/18) for Integra dealers and there was a new item there. It's listed as shipping in the 4th week of August. Called the CHDXM (they haven't told Integra dealers anything about it), but judging by the way they name the products, I would say it's a new HD Radio/XM radio card for the card-based receivers. I have no idea how much it costs....

Actually, I just logged into the ordering system and I DO know how much. MSRP is $300.

There are also at least two new receivers (DTR-6.7 and DTR-7.7) and two CD players (DPS-6.7 and DPC-7.7 changer) and what looks like a tuner (TUN-7.7) coming soon from Integra.


Eric




Eric,
hey, would this card work w/the Onkyo TX-NR1000 as well? If it would, could I install it myself or would have to bring it to a dealer? Have you heard any news about the HDMI card? Thanks for any info that you could provide

~Vince

judging by the way they name the products, I would say it's a new HD Radio/XM radio card for the card-based receivers.

Happiness! $300 is kind of expensive though...

R

alright i hope it is an hd radio card.

Eric,
hey, would this card work w/the Onkyo TX-NR1000 as well? If it would, could I install it myself or would have to bring it to a dealer? Have you heard any news about the HDMI card? Thanks for any info that you could provide

~Vince


It should work with the Integra DTR-10.5/Onkyo TX-NR1000 and Integra Research RDC-7.1. They all use the same cards. I haven't had an update on the HDMI card...I have a feeling that since HDMI 1.3 is turning into such a big deal, they may wait until those chips are ready (not until late Q1 2007), but I don't know for sure. I'll find out at CEDIA Expo next month what the deal is.

Anyone can change cards. There is a little hex nut that holds it in. My question is about the firmware...I have a feeling that we will need an update to support any new cards.

I'll keep y'all informed about these new developments as I find out.

Eric

I haven't had an update on the HDMI card...I have a feeling that since HDMI 1.3 is turning into such a big deal, they may wait until those chips are ready (not until late Q1 2007), but I don't know for sure.

I hope that they do wait for the HDMI 1.3 chips to be ready. HDMI 1.3 is the big upgrade that I've been waiting for.

R

It should work with the Integra DTR-10.5/Onkyo TX-NR1000 and Integra Research RDC-7.1. They all use the same cards. I haven't had an update on the HDMI card...I have a feeling that since HDMI 1.3 is turning into such a big deal, they may wait until those chips are ready (not until late Q1 2007), but I don't know for sure. I'll find out at CEDIA Expo next month what the deal is.

Anyone can change cards. There is a little hex nut that holds it in. My question is about the firmware...I have a feeling that we will need an update to support any new cards.

I'll keep y'all informed about these new developments as I find out.

Eric

Cool! Thanks Eric.

I hope that they do wait for the HDMI 1.3 chips to be ready. HDMI 1.3 is the big upgrade that I've been waiting for.

R

I hope so too.

It should work with the Integra DTR-10.5/Onkyo TX-NR1000 and Integra Research RDC-7.1. They all use the same cards. I haven't had an update on the HDMI card...I have a feeling that since HDMI 1.3 is turning into such a big deal, they may wait until those chips are ready (not until late Q1 2007), but I don't know for sure. I'll find out at CEDIA Expo next month what the deal is.

Anyone can change cards. There is a little hex nut that holds it in. My question is about the firmware...I have a feeling that we will need an update to support any new cards.

I'll keep y'all informed about these new developments as I find out.

Eric

You will need to update the firmware V2.XX which supports the new radio cards, I have had 2.00 on my RDC-7.1 since Onkyo UK installed the new DAB radio card.

As far as HDMi upgrades go, I think HDMI upgrades will be very closely linked to an HD-DVD/Blu release from Onkyo, three scenarios are possible:

1) Release an HD Player with conversion of new audio formats to PCM over I-Link, no upgrade to modular reciever/prepro is then needed (Unlikely).
2) Release HD Player with HDMI 1.2 and offer HDMI 1.2 upgrade card for modular recievers/prepro.
3) Release HD player with HDMi 1.3 and offer HDMI 1.3 upgade card and new more powerful DSP board to natively decode new audio formats.

Hopefully I-Link with PCM conversion will be offered as well if option 2 or 3 is used allowing those of us who dont want to upgrade the reciever/prepro the option of full res audio. As you can probably see option 3 would take much longer to develop but would allow them to re-release the recievers/prepros as new products whilst offering existing users an upgrade path.

As far as HDMi upgrades go, I think HDMI upgrades will be very closely linked to an HD-DVD/Blu release from Onkyo, three scenarios are possible:

1) Release an HD Player with conversion of new audio formats to PCM over I-Link, no upgrade to modular reciever/prepro is then needed (Unlikely).
2) Release HD Player with HDMI 1.2 and offer HDMI 1.2 upgrade card for modular recievers/prepro.
3) Release HD player with HDMi 1.3 and offer HDMI 1.3 upgade card and new more powerful DSP board to natively decode new audio formats.


Very plausible Krobar.A 4th option could be a 2nd gen HD/BLU player with DTS HD/DD True hd decoders and then the 1.2 card could be used.Integra have a history of putting decoders in top line dvd players in the past.I just wish they use firewire .I certainly dont want to lose my amp for an upgrade for 1.3 when theres only 1 source that benefits from the lossless codecs.I doubt If my ears could tell the difference between bitstream decoded in the amp and lpcm decoded in the player lol. :)

Agreed, I would much rather get anew HD player with an I-Link output that decodes the whole lot to PCM, it technically possible and I-Link meets all the AACS criteria too. If Onkyo dont release a player with I-Link out then I will buy from whoever does, I-Link still offers clock locking, remote signalling and daisy chaning which HDMI doesnt (Not in anything available so far anyway).

You will need to update the firmware V2.XX which supports the new radio cards, I have had 2.00 on my RDC-7.1 since Onkyo UK installed the new DAB radio card.

In V2.XX, have you find new feature ? :)

Xavier

Apart from support for new radio modules (And possibly other modules), the only addition I can find is option 21F to select Auto,DTS or PCM per input and this is only from memory (I dont remember it being there in 1.0X). I dont have any Video modules so there maybe differences with video handling that I cannot view.

Hello everybody,
quick question for the group, I had to have my TX-NR1000 serviced due to the receiver popping off & on...I decided to redo the terminations for my speakers to the receiver, they were constantly getting loose...I ordered Monster Quick Lock FlexPin tips...I believe these were incorrect after seeing them up close (I ordered them online)
& I then picked up the Gold Spades...they look too big to fit & I don't have my receiver back yet so I can't test them...is anyone using these Monster Quick Lock connections? With my luck, I have a feeling neither of these will work...is anyone using these things?

~Vince

Hello everybody,
quick question for the group, I had to have my TX-NR1000 serviced due to the receiver popping off & on...I decided to redo the terminations for my speakers to the receiver, they were constantly getting loose...I ordered Monster Quick Lock FlexPin tips...I believe these were incorrect after seeing them up close (I ordered them online)
& I then picked up the Gold Spades...they look too big to fit & I don't have my receiver back yet so I can't test them...is anyone using these Monster Quick Lock connections? With my luck, I have a feeling neither of these will work...is anyone using these things?

~Vince


Vince,

Use dual banana plugs!! They just plug right into the speaker terminals. Solid, secure.

Eric

Vince,

Use dual banana plugs!! They just plug right into the speaker terminals. Solid, secure.

Eric


Eric,
would the Monster Quick Lock Monster tip work?
http://www.audio-discounters.com/qlgmt-h.html

If they would, I could just go exchange what I already picked up for them...thanks...

~Vince

Eric,
would the Monster Quick Lock Monster tip work?
http://www.audio-discounters.com/qlgmt-h.html

If they would, I could just go exchange what I already picked up for them...thanks...

~Vince


Vince,

They should work, but I prefer the dual plugs. With these, you must plug each conductor (red/black) in separately. Dual plugs come in connected pairs, so you just plug one unit in (each with two conductors) for each speaker.

Eric

Vince,

They should work, but I prefer the dual plugs. With these, you must plug each conductor (red/black) in separately. Dual plugs come in connected pairs, so you just plug one unit in (each with two conductors) for each speaker.

Eric

Eric,

Is the spacing for the speaker terminals standard on the TX-NR1000? I'm always afraid to use dual banana plugs for fear of non-standard spacing.

Eric,

Is the spacing for the speaker terminals standard on the TX-NR1000? I'm always afraid to use dual banana plugs for fear of non-standard spacing.


They work for me!

Eric

Vince,

They should work, but I prefer the dual plugs. With these, you must plug each conductor (red/black) in separately. Dual plugs come in connected pairs, so you just plug one unit in (each with two conductors) for each speaker.

Eric


Eric,
this may sound stupid, but how do you connect those banana plugs in? you just plug them in straight into the terminal? I was loosening the terminals & putting the speaker wire in prior...

~Vince

Eric,
this may sound stupid, but how do you connect those banana plugs in? you just plug them in straight into the terminal? I was loosening the terminals & putting the speaker wire in prior...

~Vince


Vince,

Plug 'em straight into the ends of the terminals.

Eric

brogan,

I use those exact monster banana plugs on my onkyo, and yes, they just plug straight in. You can get the dual banana plugs as well if you really want to avoid the extra step of plugging in a seperate cable.

They are very easy to attach to the wire and make a very firm and solid connection.

Earlier, when i was talking about my wires touching, i was talking about at the speaker end of the cable not the receiver end. Unfortunately, my old and crappy speakers do not have banana plugs, they are the standard tensioned spring push pin type. I bought the monster gold flex pin connectors (see link)

http://www.monstercable.com/productPage.asp?pin=1273

Everything was great except that the spacing between my speaker terminals was so close that the positive and negative connectors would touch where the gold plated twist lock pin was near the plastic color coded base. I just wrapped some black electrical tape around the gold plated portion and I have never had my speakers cause a problem with my amp since. These speaker end connectors are what i was asking you to check on, not at the receiver end in case there was any confusion there.

Hi folks, I've had my nr1000 for just over a year. Recently it started powering off sporatically. My speaker connections are soldered, so I don't think it's a short there. Onkyo says it will run hot by design.

Any suggestions before I take the unit in for service?

Thanks in advance.
Tom
hdtv@senetworks.com

Is your unit in a cabinet or have other equipment stacked on top?

No. It's on a small table right now. I plan to put in into a Salamander Triple 30 when I order my TV though.

Thanks

I received the manual for the new C-HDXM card today.

It is indeed a new AM/FM/XM/HD/RDS tuner module that goes into the "K" slot of the Onkyo NR-1000/Integra DTR-10.5/Integra Research RDC-7.1. It replaces any existing tuner module.

You need to get the XM Passport system from XM Radio in order to use their service. For HD radio it has full support for HD, including the subchannels (up to eight per station).

It also has RDS (Radio Data System) support for FM stations that offer the service.

The card will be shipping in a few days.

MSRP is $300.

Eric

Eric: Is this a consumer install or does it have to go to a dealer?

I suspect that means V2.X firmware for all.

I hope we can do it ourselves. I will not be logging my receiver to a dealer near me. As long as we accept the responsibilites of doing it ourselves we should be good to go!

I agree,, I mean a product that's both sold upon it's upgradeability AND beeing one the pre/processors with most connections (inputs/outputs..)...,,,

I mean, who wans't got the their RDC7.1 ( or 10/ 1000 ) completly filled with stuff going in and out ??,,, It's a days work getting it loose and another getting everything right again..