If it is a short run and does not have a lot of heavy power consuming devices sitting next to where the cable must be routed, then any cable with the hdmi logo will work just fine.

If it is a long run or has a chance to have a lot of electrical interference, then you would want to get cables with thicker shielding to avoid noise in the line.

Ok guys, calling on your expertise assistance yet again. I'll be honest and say that I tried searching through SOME of the previous post pages, but definitely not all of them. So, if the answer to this is in the history, just indicate so and I'll keep digging. Either way, I'm hoping that there is indeed a happy answer to my situation.

I mentioned in an earlier (yet recent) post that I purchased a Sony 40" Bravia LCD TV, and that I was in the process of ordering some HDMI cables. I received the cables last night, and obviously tried hooking them up right away. Here are the connections and associated results:

1. DirecTV HD Receiver into HDMI 1 input of NR1000
2. Sony DVP-CX995V 400 disc DVD Changer into HDMI 2 input of NR1000
3. HDMI output of NR1000 into HDMI input of LCD TV
4. XBox component input configured to output to HDMI video

1. DirecTV video successfully passed through NR1000 to LCD TV on HDMI cable
2. Black screen on LCD TV from Sony CX995 changer. No HDMI signal indicator on changer.
3. XBox video successfully passed through NR1000 to LCD TV on HDMI cable

The next thing I tried was connecting the HDMI output of the DVD changer straight into the LCD TV. Worked like a charm. The HDMI signal lit up on the DVD changer, and the picture was there. I was surprised that the DirecTV HDMI output worked, and the Sony DVD changer didn't. I felt pretty confident that it was some type of handshaking issue, but I couldn't make heads or tails out of it. I tried shutting the DVD changer off and then back on to see if the handshake would occur. Also tried shutting the NR1000 off for the same thing - no juice. I went through all the menus of the TV, DVD changer, and NR1000 to see if I could find something to address the issue - turning integrated audio off, etc. Once again, no dice. While I was troubleshooting the connection problem, I also tried to discern if there were any image quality improvements between the 3 connections I had going:

1. Component signal from DVD to NR1000 - component out to TV (signal at 480p)
2. Component signal from DVD to NR1000 - routed to TV via HDMI (signal still detected at 480p from TV)
3. HDMI signal from DVD straight to TV (signal at 1080i)

I could switch between all 3 connections pretty quick. I felt that the direct to TV HDMI signal might have looked a little better, but I really didn't have a test DVD to confirm this. I also felt that the component signal routed HDMI looked a little worse than the straight-component signal, but once again wasn't completely sure. There seemed to be more "digital dirt" in the picture (sorry for lack of proper terminology). Maybe it was just my imagination. My eyes started going buggy trying to compare the quality of 3 different video signals coming from the DVD changer. But I do feel that all 3 connections are extremely close in quality. I was disappointed that the HDMI upconverting didn't improve the DVD signal quality to anything significant, but wasn't overall surprised, either.

The bottom line is that I would like to have everything running HDMI through the NR1000, with only 1 HDMI input to the TV. I know that I can route the component signal, but really would prefer to get the HDMI working from the DVD changer. The million dollar question this time is - can it be done? I'm hoping that someone in the forum has dealt with this or a similar Sony DVD player/changer and can give me a definitive answer.

Thanks in advance,

Todd

If you want to have everything over HDMI than go with the Gefen HDMI switcher and leave the NR1000 1,0 HDMI alone.
You have to wait and hope that the Onkyo one day comes out with the 1.3 HDMI card what would solve many many problems.
I tried many DVD player (last one Toshiba XA1 HD DVD with HDMI 1.1) and most of them do not work with the NR1000 because of HDCP / handshake issues.
I not even touch the HDMI on this receiver anymore because of all the issues I had

i would check sony's website for any hdmi issues they have had.

Try switching your dvd player to your other hdmi input to rule out a faulty hdmi input.

As far as upconvert quality, this machine is not a high scale video processor so don't expect it to take an old dvd and turn it into a beautiful image. Your dvd player will do all the work of upscaling. If you can make your dvd player upconvert first, you would be better off. If the NR1000 receives 480p, it outputs 480p. If it receives 480i, then it upconverts to 480p. Not a huge difference in quality at this level, especially when you have a large screen.

Hey for all you guys who are more familiar than I am with these receivers I was wondering if you could help me out... I currently own Polk RTI12s for my fronts, a CSI5 for my center, FXI5s for my rears and a CS2 for my center rear with a Velodyne Minivee subwoofer. I currently use an Onkyo TXSR803 but am looking to upgrade to either the Denon AVR5805, the Onkyo TXNR1000, or the Integra DTR-10.5. I am open to any input whatsoever, I know quite a bit about the receivers but I thought it would be better to receive someone's opinion who owns them. Thanks in advance for any help at all.

Thanks

Brian

RenaissanceMan,

What is it that has attracted you to these particular models? They seem rather overkill for your particular speaker system, though. How big is your room?

Eric

I am able to receiver the onkyo and the integra for 50% off and the denon for 40% off so upgrading to a higher receiver and the ones i mentioned before is not that big of a difference in price thankfully. the main reasons for looking at those is to receiver a higher clarity, to be able to biwire my front speakers appropriately and for the switchable motherboards to upgrade the receiver. I was originally looking at a marantz 9600 for 2300 through someone i know but the little difference in price for the onkyo and the integra made me look that way

I am able to receiver the onkyo and the integra for 50% off and the denon for 40% off so upgrading to a higher receiver and the ones i mentioned before is not that big of a difference in price thankfully. the main reasons for looking at those is to receiver a higher clarity, to be able to biwire my front speakers appropriately and for the switchable motherboards to upgrade the receiver. I was originally looking at a marantz 9600 for 2300 through someone i know but the little difference in price for the onkyo and the integra made me look that way


Ahhh...an accomodation....

Well, if you go the Onkyo/Integra route, I recommend the Integra over the Onkyo, as you can customize it the way you want (they are "built-to-order"). Get the cards you want without having to get them all. There is also a better warranty (3 years vs. 2 years).

The Denon is a prodigious tank of a thing...it certainly does everything and does it quite well, but there's that kitchen sink kind of situation with it as well. Make sure you have a very sturdy place to put it!

Are there any particular questions you have about them?

Eric

The main question I have really is what receiver would compliment my speakers the best because there is no local dealer that has the receivers I am looking at really for me to listen to. I am just looking for the best clarity for both movies and music... I know my current receiver has a THD of .08% and all the others I'm looking at have .05% which hopefully will make somewhat of a difference as well as the bi-wiring. I'm just looking for a large upgrade in clarity that will not just enhance the bass more in my speakers since I already have an overkill of that. Thanks again for any help

RenaissanceMan,

What equipment are you using now? I don't think those THD specs will have much of a bearing. Those are normally for full-rated output, and you shouldn't be pushing anywhere near those levels on a sustained basis! Also, the difference between .05% and .08% is small and there are a lot more significant (and some somewhat elusive) aspects that determine overall sound quality than THD.

Eric

also you can bridge the integra which will give you something
biwire can't as i have never heard a difference.

Either way I go I should at least hear a huge difference in clarity and quality though right? The Integra seems to be a better choice after looking at it more as well.

i like my 10.5 no regrets plenty of everyting except hdmi.

i like my 10.5 no regrets plenty of everyting except hdmi.

Yep, have to admit I really like my RDC-7.1, ever since I changed my sat receiver out it has behaved perfectly, great SQ, I-Link and DAB radio are standouts for me. I actually would like an HD player with I-Link or room correction more than any new HDMI module.

i will agree with the i-link at least it works.

Yo

With the Gefen switcher, does it mean all comp out then gets scaled up to HDMI ?
My current Pj is DVI, so comp doesnt get output to HDMI because Onkyo doesnt like it.

Thanks
John

I finally did speak to someone at Onkyo yesterday and they are saying they will be releasing a newer HDMI card (1.3) in or around May for the TX1000. Sorry it took so long but I did not want to post until I spoke with the right person. So I guess I learned nothing really new since that was a projected timeframe anyway... :confused:

Yo

With the Gefen switcher, does it mean all comp out then gets scaled up to HDMI ?
My current Pj is DVI, so comp doesnt get output to HDMI because Onkyo doesnt like it.

Thanks
John

Just a switcher won't upconvert or scale anything. The output will be exactly the same type as the input is.

Joerod,, thanks 4 the update,

Any info as to how it will be equipped ?
No# off hdmi in / out ??

My biggest issue isn't whether it's hdmi 1.0/1/2/4 or whatever, it's in the no# of ports,
I'd be very happy if they managed to double the quantity from today..

Yo

Ok, I'll clarify.
I know a switcher doesnt upscale.

Onkyo will upscale/convert inputs to HDMi output, but it doesnt do this if PJ doesnt have an HDMI, mine has DVI so doesnt ouput anything that is non HDMI input to DVI.
If I used a switcher would onkyo output everything to the swicher or would it be same thing. Therefore would the comp inputs be output to switcher or would onkyo not like that either.

Thansk

John

Good question emerson. I was just assuming it would be a 2/1 like it is now. I will call him back to clarify this..

Yo

Ok, I'll clarify.
I know a switcher doesnt upscale.

Onkyo will upscale/convert inputs to HDMi output, but it doesnt do this if PJ doesnt have an HDMI, mine has DVI so doesnt ouput anything that is non HDMI input to DVI.
If I used a switcher would onkyo output everything to the swicher or would it be same thing. Therefore would the comp inputs be output to switcher or would onkyo not like that either.

Thansk

John

Even with a switcher, during all the "handshaking" that goes on for HDCP, it's still going to see that it's going to a DVI device at the end. So probably nothing would change, and it would work the same as it does without the switcher.

All these different HDMI and DVI inuts and outputs makes it more of a crap-shoot getting them to work together...

Good question emerson. I was just assuming it would be a 2/1 like it is now. I will call him back to clarify this..

I believe you are right in your assumption. I don't see them releasing the HDMI card with more than a 2/1 HDMI ports, unfortunately, but hey, as long as it is HDMI 1.3 it allows us to take advantage of the new HDMI 1.3 features!

Now if only MS would release the HDMI cable for the XB360 & XB360 HD-DVD player!

I agree Skilz. I have been waiting on the hdmi cable as well. They have already updated the 360 through a patch to allow 1080p output. I am somewhat confused by this. Is the hardware really up to the task of 1080p input, and if it was, then why did they wait so long to allow the 1080p software to be designed. Makes me wonder if it is true 1080p output. Either way, you would think 1080p, HD-DVD, and HDMI would by synonymous.

Sorry to take this thread off subject for a second.

Industry-wide, the HDMI connectivity issues have become so dicey that a major national retailer is about to announce that the only products with HDMI that they will carry must have the SIMPLAYHD HDMI testing approval! There are only a handful of said devices thus far (I think Mitubishi's entire TV lineup is done or being done).

Eric

Good to know EgCarter.

I really wish they would get their stuff together. HDMI has such great potential yet they are just wasting it away.

I believe the HDMI standards company needs to get a little more creative. I know its tough for them to attempt to force compliance since they are worried that they could get ignored and fall behind in the end. It just amazes me though that so many of the major electronics players that put their money behind hdmi (Sony and Hitachi to name a couple) still have issues between their own founding partner products.

I hope for the best because it would be nice to have a true digital option that is completely compatible and easy to integrate into your home system.

Joerod,, thanks 4 the update,

Any info as to how it will be equipped ?
No# off hdmi in / out ??

My biggest issue isn't whether it's hdmi 1.0/1/2/4 or whatever, it's in the no# of ports,
I'd be very happy if they managed to double the quantity from today..
I;me with you emerson8 ; If Pioneer can manage 4 hdmi inputs on the 84txsi a flagship amp should have as many ;) I think somebody mentioned the possibility of a 4 in/2 out card earlier in the thread.?? As long as the hdmi audio is decoded in the amp ver1.1 pcm would do :)

well yeah,,
I mean,, for Integra/Onkyo,, releasing a HDMI 1.3 with 2/1 connections, that MIGHT give
them some sales for those who needs/wants 1.3, but,, release a HDMI 1.3 with more connections than the current HDMI board and you'll get the rest of us who havent got enough HDMI ports and couldn't care less about 1.3 or not.
For me, current HDMI and firewire works just fine,, it's just the no# of ports thats the hazzle

More HDMI ports is better. But tat this point I will take a 2/1 as long as it can fo audio!

i need 3 right now and would feel better if i had a spare.

I think it would either be 4 or 2... That's just a guess though...

There was a way to switch from HDMI auto handshake HDMI to manual. I can not find it anymore. Could someone let me know how to do this ?? It was almost the same as we do to switch from analog to digital in the front. ???

I will check and post back..

This is a flagship unit and 4 or more would be expected.
I would expect 4.
The Denon 3808 is supposed to have 3 HDMI 1.3 inputs.

This is a flagship unit and 4 or more would be expected.
I would expect 4.
The Denon 3808 is supposed to have 3 HDMI 1.3 inputs.



If there is room....since everything is on cards with limited space and connectivity issues, it's not the same as building in connectors in a monolithic box. The Onkyo/Integra guys know that we would ideally like 4 in/2 out, but we have to see if the engineers can manage to do that within the design strictures.

Eric

There was a way to switch from HDMI auto handshake HDMI to manual. I can not find it anymore. Could someone let me know how to do this ?? It was almost the same as we do to switch from analog to digital in the front. ???


Well, it's not an HDCP handshake thing... it's really EDID handshake (resolution capabilities of the display device). You may get a "Resolution Error" displayed on the front panel of the AVR. To bypass this issue:

On the front panel:
Hold the VIDEO1 button in and press the SETUP button, then release both buttons.
The display will say: "DVI Output: Auto"
Then use the scroll wheel to change to: "DVI Output: On"
This will enter the resolution forced mode where the AVR will ignore the video display's EDID information and output 1080i, even if the display tells the AVR that it can only display 480p.

Eric

Darn Eric you beat me to it... :)

I bought my TX-NR1000 new about 10 months ago and have had these problems since day 1. The first problem has to do with the volume control. It is extremely slow to respond, and when the volume is down low, only the left front or right front speaker will come on. This is in a 7.1 setup. As the volume is turned up, there is initially no response, but after a delay of 10 to 30 seconds, the other speakers turn on - the sound is usually too high now. Also, when I go to the level calibration sub-menu the speakers are also slow to turn on as I switch from one to the other. And, during this calibration, the left side speaker only comes on about 5 % of the time. Sometimes I can't get it to come on at all. Anyone have any idea? I have the latest firmware that was posted on this forum, so that shouldn't be the problem. I'm about to give up on Onkyo and switch to Denon.

Well, since Onkyo won't fix the problems because of where I bought it, it has become a useless pile of crap. After over 20 years of Onkyo top of the line audio/video, I'm switching to Denon. I just bought a Denon 4806CI and it works great. Never again will Onkyo get any of my money.

Well, since Onkyo won't fix the problems because of where I bought it, it has become a useless pile of crap. After over 20 years of Onkyo top of the line audio/video, I'm switching to Denon. I just bought a Denon 4806CI and it works great. Never again will Onkyo get any of my money.


Where did u buy it? I think one can always pay for repairs if one is not covered by the manufacturer's warranty...

Eric

Where did u buy it? I think one can always pay for repairs if one is not covered by the manufacturer's warranty...

Eric

Plasma Bay. I would like to get it fixed so I can sell it. I've switched to a Denon 4806 CI and couldn't be happier.

Denon does make some find products... I used to use them...

Oh My! Have you guys seen this Sherwood with 5 HDMI 1.3 (4 in & 1 out) inputs & a bunch of other features showed off @ CES2007? Here's the link! :eek:

It seems to put the Onkyo TXNR1000 to shame!

http://www.audioholics.com/ces/CESprocessors/SherwoodR972.php

Looks like a cheap Integra Research unit too :)

ONKO TXNR 1000 & Marantz DV 9600 do not want to cooperate via HDMI out of receiver thru HDMI/DVI cable to Tube HDTV. Direct connect from DVD player HDMI out to TV DVI in with same cable works great. ONKO 1.0 HDMI, Marantz is 1.1 thought this was backward compatable. Read thru all post here, tried myriad of setting options on each unit, verified all cables are working, it is a no go & am going crazy trying to figure it out. Does anyone have this combo working ? If so what parameters settings used. Please any answer besides obvious of getting external HDMI switcher, thanks. Master FW is 1.09 HDMI FW 1.0

ONKO TXNR 1000 & Marantz DV 9600 do not want to cooperate via HDMI out of receiver thru HDMI/DVI cable to Tube HDTV. Direct connect from DVD player HDMI out to TV DVI in with same cable works great. ONKO 1.0 HDMI, Marantz is 1.1 thought this was backward compatable. Read thru all post here, tried myriad of setting options on each unit, verified all cables are working, it is a no go & am going crazy trying to figure it out. Does anyone have this combo working ? If so what parameters settings used. Please any answer besides obvious of getting external HDMI switcher, thanks. Master FW is 1.09 HDMI FW 1.0


What are the specific symptoms?
Have you tried using component video output from Marantz to Onkyo, then HDMI/DVI to the TV?

Eric

Eric,
Problem is picture or image can not be displayed in a stable manner. It alternates between a shaky black screen to shaky scrolling screen in time intervals but intervals are random. FYI- I checked all cables & tried other known working cables also.

Thanks for suggestion. I had tested the connection via component then select Input HDMI Video Assign. This worked but get only 480P from transcode. The PQ from direct connect to TV of component slightly improved vs. transcoded PQ. With DV 9600 the 1080I picture is notably better than component (which is actually pretty good too) on my TV. And I want to use full feature set of this unit & connect via true HDMI at higher rez not transcoded 480P. Is this a known incompatability problem between the ONKO TXNR 1000 & DV 9600? Any other suggestions or work arounds?

Eric,
Problem is picture or image can not be displayed in a stable manner. It alternates between a shaky black screen to shaky scrolling screen in time intervals but intervals are random. FYI- I checked all cables & tried other known working cables also.

Thanks for suggestion. I had tested the connection via component then select Input HDMI Video Assign. This worked but get only 480P from transcode. The PQ from direct connect to TV of component slightly improved vs. transcoded PQ. With DV 9600 the 1080I picture is notably better than component (which is actually pretty good too) on my TV. And I want to use full feature set of this unit & connect via true HDMI at higher rez not transcoded 480P. Is this a known incompatability problem between the ONKO TXNR 1000 & DV 9600? Any other suggestions or work arounds?


Hmmm...sounds like the EDID info is not properly getting through, which is why it's limited to 480p. Did you try the DVI Force Resolution procedure:

Push and Hold the VIDEO 1 button on the front panel, then push the SETUP button, then release both buttons.
DVI Output: Auto will be displayed on the receiver. Use the right scroll wheel to select DVI Output: On to enter forced mode.

This will cause the receiver to ignore resolution capability data from the TV and go to 1080i via the HDMI output.

Eric

Eric,
Thanks for quick reply, do appreciate it. While reading thru this long thread I came across this solution previously posted by you. I tried it, but it did not work, same symptoms/problem. I have done the sequence turn off & unplug - replug turn on cycle numerous times and tried all different combos of setting (including audio settings) that I did not even realized existed. Cycled thru the different output rez settings on DV 9600, still no picture. Have not done total reset to unit but want to avoid this as will lose all settings (took a long time to get it to where it is now) But it passes transcoded video from component/s- video, this is puzzling. The DV 9600 works straight connect to Tube HDTV with HDMI/DVI cable & to a LCD with HDMI/HDMI cable. So it appears problem not with player, just when connect via HDMI to my ONKO. My unit is only a few months old. Do you think I have a faulty HDMI module?

Any new info for a possible HDMI 1.3 card release?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/images-ces/CES_2007_Onkyo_Unknown_F.jpg


HomeTheater High Fidelity - CES 2007
<<I found some very surprising things at the THX booth, a Sony and an Onkyo receiver with all of the logos for DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD silk screened on the front. The Onkyo had no model numbers at all and the Sony was incorrectly listed as the current 5200ES model. Since Onkyo does not show at CES, no one was available for comment and no one at the Sony booth was aware of their receiver at the THX booth.>>

A new design for NR 1000 ? perhaps prototype ? Perhaps a TX NR 9xx.
I hope it's not a new NR 1000 chassis. We need only new card !!!
If its a new case, I hope the card will be compatible...


Xavier

If they stiff us I think many of us will NEVER buy another Onkyo product again! :mad:
I saw their TX1000 ad again last month...

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/images-ces/CES_2007_Onkyo_Unknown_F.jpg


HomeTheater High Fidelity - CES 2007
<<I found some very surprising things at the THX booth, a Sony and an Onkyo receiver with all of the logos for DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD silk screened on the front. The Onkyo had no model numbers at all and the Sony was incorrectly listed as the current 5200ES model. Since Onkyo does not show at CES, no one was available for comment and no one at the Sony booth was aware of their receiver at the THX booth.>>

A new design for NR 1000 ? perhaps prototype ? Perhaps a TX NR 9xx.
I hope it's not a new NR 1000 chassis. We need only new card !!!
If its a new case, I hope the card will be compatible...


Xavier

I wouldn't like to jump to conclusions but I think this thread might suddenly get bitter. Was the model pictured THX Ultra2 or Select2?

My sentiments exactly! :)

maybe egcarter will have some good info later .

Let's hope so...

maybe egcarter will have some good info later .

Eric is a great source of information, and my guess is that he'll share what he knows with us :)

I wouldn't like to jump to conclusions but I think this thread might suddenly get bitter. Was the model pictured THX Ultra2 or Select2?
I thought the same Krobar ;but then I counted the input selectors on the front. We have 14 ;this amp looks about 10. Select 2 ; 9xx model possibly?

Looks like we might be getting the hd audio decoders not just pcm through the 1.3 to the dac's. I was kinda hoping it would be just a new card :rolleyes:

Maybe instead of a card they will send us a 50% off coupon on their next new receiver with HDMI 1.3...

Maybe instead of a card they will send us a 50% off coupon on their next new receiver with HDMI 1.3...
Yes Joe, but I think we'll sooner be seeing our recievers sprout wings and fly before that happens! ;)

Best........Carlo.

Now that is funny! :D

What's involved to make a HDMI 1.3 card? Are there licencing / compliance issues?

i noticed that secrets of home theater and high fidelity gave it (integra 10.5)
2006 rec so maybe the platform will still go ahead with cards for the 1000 and 10.5.

I hope that is true...

I hope that is true...

If they don't come out with a new HDMI module, I will be very angry at Onkyo. So angry that I will not buy their products again.

I also would like to be able to decode the new HD sound formats.

I am 100% with you...

Amen to that brother!
But in all seriousness Onkyo has billed this thing from the get go as a truly upgradeable reciever that would defy obsalescence. If Onkyo doesn't release some new cards could they not be in for a lot of legal trouble due to false advertising? I mean, besides the quality, the upgradability was the primo selling point, yes?

Best.......Carlo.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_14_1/images-ces/CES_2007_Onkyo_Unknown_F.jpg


HomeTheater High Fidelity - CES 2007
<<I found some very surprising things at the THX booth, a Sony and an Onkyo receiver with all of the logos for DTS-HD Master Audio and Dolby TrueHD silk screened on the front. The Onkyo had no model numbers at all and the Sony was incorrectly listed as the current 5200ES model. Since Onkyo does not show at CES, no one was available for comment and no one at the Sony booth was aware of their receiver at the THX booth.>>

A new design for NR 1000 ? perhaps prototype ? Perhaps a TX NR 9xx.
I hope it's not a new NR 1000 chassis. We need only new card !!!
If its a new case, I hope the card will be compatible...


Xavier

I think it's the long-in-gestation new replacement for the TX-NR901.

Onkyo is going to release many new products later this year.

Eric

thanks eric my dealer did mention an hd-dvd player which did not
surprise me i think toshiba made their dvd players and they modified them.

I would be curious to check out their version of a HD DVD player (especially since I was a BIG fan of the SP1000). But more importantly I would like them to release a new HDMI card sometime this year. I won't bite on a HD DVD player if they don't ever release a new card...

Well here's hoping the old axiom: "Patience is a virtue" applies where this reciever is concerned.

Best.......Carlo.

I think it's the long-in-gestation new replacement for the TX-NR901.

Onkyo is going to release many new products later this year.

Eric

Are they replacing/removing the TX-NR1000 from the lineup?

i think toshiba made their dvd players and they modified them.
At least some of the designs (e.g., DV-SP502) were from Pioneer. Don't know who manufactured them.

That's what we are wondering. If they are replacing it then will we be able to get new cards for ours so we can update it to make it just like the newer model? That's exactly what their ad says. The receiver Nostradamus would buy...

That's what we are wondering. If they are replacing it then will we be able to get new cards for ours so we can update it to make it just like the newer model? That's exactly what their ad says. The receiver Nostradamus would buy...

I'm with you. The ad is burned into my memory...

My guess is that wee will see an HDMI 1.3 card with two inputs, but no HD audio decoding. I really hope I'm wrong.

.

Are they replacing/removing the TX-NR1000 from the lineup?

Not as far as I know.

Eric

thanks eric my dealer did mention an hd-dvd player which did not
surprise me i think toshiba made their dvd players and they modified them.

Onkyo has officially announced that they will be introducing an HD DVD player later in 2007. I had heard an industry trade rag mention a price target of US$800 or so.

I think they will do their own design, as with their Media Center PC (Integra NVS-77, which will be getting an update this year as well). That product has a special audio card that Onkyo designed with Wolfson DACs for very high-quality audio performance.

Eric

I would definitely give an Onkyo HD DVD player a spin...

The new HDMI card is supposed to be coming by mid-year or so, i think . I still don't know how many inputs, etc...it's likely Real Estate-constrained. But I did hear from an insider that the key thing is getting the broadband HDMI signal paths on the card routed to the DSPs on-board for signal processing. If that is readily accomplished, then they can do the on-board decoding...

But remember, folks...at this point in time with the advent of HDMI 1.3 and kool stuff like Dolby TrueHD lossless audio, we need the decoding to be performed IN THE PLAYER. That's because of the mixing of disparate audio sources from the disc that is necessary. (like menus, metadata, commentaries, etc...) That stuff is not in the standard disc audio stream. Read Dolby Labs' explanation here:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

Eric

as eric stated my dealer said models below 1000 and 10.5
those 2 still a contractors dream.

Also, just the fact that they released one card after the receiver was released, the HD-Radio/XM card, prevents them from having action taken against them for false advertising. They advertised it as upgradeable and they released and upgrade for the radio tuner. I am still watching what happens with this platform this year because I would love to get one and if they release a decent 4in-2out HDMI 1.3 card I will be all over this receiver.

Not as far as I know.

Eric

Well, that makes me smile :)

Thanks

The new HDMI card is supposed to be coming by mid-year or so, i think . I still don't know how many inputs, etc...it's likely Real Estate-constrained. But I did hear from an insider that the key thing is getting the broadband HDMI signal paths on the card routed to the DSPs on-board for signal processing. If that is readily accomplished, then they can do the on-board decoding...


Good news because I think I posted a question asking if the NR-1000 had enough processing power to decode the new HD audio formats, and the consensus was - maybe.


But remember, folks...at this point in time with the advent of HDMI 1.3 and kool stuff like Dolby TrueHD lossless audio, we need the decoding to be performed IN THE PLAYER. That's because of the mixing of disparate audio sources from the disc that is necessary. (like menus, metadata, commentaries, etc...) That stuff is not in the standard disc audio stream. Read Dolby Labs' explanation here:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

Eric

In other words, you mean decode the HD audio in the source player, and use analog cables to the NR-1000?

I am the kind of consumer that does not care about the extra features on a disk. Keep the extras, give me give high quality audio and video, maybe throw in an alternate ending, and I am happy :) If my NR-1000 can decode HD audio via HDMI, then I will be a very happy person.

I'm off to read the link you provided...

The new HDMI card is supposed to be coming by mid-year or so, i think . I still don't know how many inputs, etc...it's likely Real Estate-constrained. But I did hear from an insider that the key thing is getting the broadband HDMI signal paths on the card routed to the DSPs on-board for signal processing. If that is readily accomplished, then they can do the on-board decoding...

But remember, folks...at this point in time with the advent of HDMI 1.3 and kool stuff like Dolby TrueHD lossless audio, we need the decoding to be performed IN THE PLAYER. That's because of the mixing of disparate audio sources from the disc that is necessary. (like menus, metadata, commentaries, etc...) That stuff is not in the standard disc audio stream. Read Dolby Labs' explanation here:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

Eric
Thanks for the info Eric. It's much appreciated!

Best........Carlo.

In other words, you mean decode the HD audio in the source player, and use analog cables to the NR-1000?
No, the audio is decoded to PCM and sent over HDMI. This only requires HDMI 1.1 and doesn't benefit at all from 1.3.

I am the kind of consumer that does not care about the extra features on a disk. Keep the extras, give me give high quality audio and video, maybe throw in an alternate ending, and I am happy :) If my NR-1000 can decode HD audio via HDMI, then I will be a very happy person.
Unfortunately, HD-DVD was designed to favor cheezy interactive features (like being able to change the color of a car in the movie) at the expense of audio and video purity. The interactive features also make it nearly impossible to provide basic features like the ability to turn off the player and resume the movie where you left off when you turn it back on.

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Steve

No, the audio is decoded to PCM and sent over HDMI. This only requires HDMI 1.1 and doesn't benefit at all from 1.3.

Is PCM considered a lossy format?

Either way, this means a digital to analog to digital conversion before it gets to the receiver.



Unfortunately, HD-DVD was designed to favor cheezy interactive features (like being able to change the color of a car in the movie) at the expense of audio and video purity. The interactive features also make it nearly impossible to provide basic features like the ability to turn off the player and resume the movie where you left off when you turn it back on.

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Steve

My friend has the second generation Toshiba HD DVD, and I have to admit that the menus are a big improvement over standard DVD menus. What is it about the interactive features that make it hard to implement "basic" features as you mentioned above? Is BD the same as HD DVD when it comes to basic features?

He also has the PS3, and it offers PCM or Bitstream, as audio output options. Is Bitstream the unconverted HD audio stream?

I think my questions are relevant to the NR-1000, as this is the device that I will be using these HD Audio formats with, but if anyone feels it's not appropriate, let me know, and I'll ask Steve to kindly send me a PM (if he's willing).

Thanks!

The new HDMI card is supposed to be coming by mid-year or so, i think . I still don't know how many inputs, etc...it's likely Real Estate-constrained. But I did hear from an insider that the key thing is getting the broadband HDMI signal paths on the card routed to the DSPs on-board for signal processing. If that is readily accomplished, then they can do the on-board decoding...

But remember, folks...at this point in time with the advent of HDMI 1.3 and kool stuff like Dolby TrueHD lossless audio, we need the decoding to be performed IN THE PLAYER. That's because of the mixing of disparate audio sources from the disc that is necessary. (like menus, metadata, commentaries, etc...) That stuff is not in the standard disc audio stream. Read Dolby Labs' explanation here:

http://www.dolby.com/consumer/technology/trueHD/AVRs/trueHD_avrs_1.html

Eric

Thanks for the update egcarter. It sounds as if things are looking up. I still pray every night that they find a way to get us completely up to date with this hdmi card and somehow jam more than two inputs into the back of the machine.

Is PCM considered a lossy format?

Either way, this means a digital to analog to digital conversion before it gets to the receiver.




My friend has the second generation Toshiba HD DVD, and I have to admit that the menus are a big improvement over standard DVD menus. What is it about the interactive features that make it hard to implement "basic" features as you mentioned above? Is BD the same as HD DVD when it comes to basic features?

He also has the PS3, and it offers PCM or Bitstream, as audio output options. Is Bitstream the unconverted HD audio stream?

I think my questions are relevant to the NR-1000, as this is the device that I will be using these HD Audio formats with, but if anyone feels it's not appropriate, let me know, and I'll ask Steve to kindly send me a PM (if he's willing).

Thanks!


Actually PCM is uncompressed so it is a full signal, hence neither lossy nor lossless.

Actually PCM is uncompressed so it is a full signal, hence neither lossy nor lossless.

So there is no downside to converting to the HD audio to PCM to send to the NR-1000?

Does HDMI 1.1 have the bandwidth to carry HD Audio via PCM along with 1080p video ?

Aren't lossless and uncompressed the same thing? Or is lossless actually compressed?

Is PCM considered a lossy format?
PCM is itself a lossless format, but the player is usually converting to PCM from a lossy format like DD+. You could argue that a high-end receiver could do a better job of converting than the player. You also lose the metadata, which isn't strictly part of the audio but is extra data associated with the audio which can be useful for dialog normalization and other types of processing you might want the receiver to do.


Either way, this means a digital to analog to digital conversion before it gets to the receiver.
No, there is no D/A conversion. That is still done by the receiver. The player is doing the conversion from compressed DD+, DTS, TrueHD, etc. to uncompressed PCM and it is mixing the film audio with sound effects (menu, button pushes, etc.) and possibly with director's commentary or whatever the disc author programmed it to do.


My friend has the second generation Toshiba HD DVD, and I have to admit that the menus are a big improvement over standard DVD menus. What is it about the interactive features that make it hard to implement "basic" features as you mentioned above? Is BD the same as HD DVD when it comes to basic features?
Each HD-DVD (with the exception of discs authored in "basic" mode, which are virtually non-existent) is like a little computer program. The player runs the program and is required to do various audio and video decoding and mixing tasks to produce the final output. Each disc has its own UI and its own memory, etc. and the player basically doesn't know enough about it to simply stop and restart it where it left off.


He also has the PS3, and it offers PCM or Bitstream, as audio output options. Is Bitstream the unconverted HD audio stream?
Yes.

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Steve

Good news because I think I posted a question asking if the NR-1000 had enough processing power to decode the new HD audio formats, and the consensus was - maybe.



In other words, you mean decode the HD audio in the source player, and use analog cables to the NR-1000?

I am the kind of consumer that does not care about the extra features on a disk. Keep the extras, give me give high quality audio and video, maybe throw in an alternate ending, and I am happy :) If my NR-1000 can decode HD audio via HDMI, then I will be a very happy person.

I'm off to read the link you provided...

Yes, decode in the source player. There's really no reason to decode it in the AVR. Regardless of how you feel about "extras", you will be losing some functionality if you don't decode the audio in the player. Why do you care if it's not decoded in the AVR, anyway?

Use the analog cables for the decoded PCM audio.

Eric


Eric

If it's a Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD MA disc, then you get lossless audio. It is indeed compressed on the disc using algorithms that render the decoded audio identical to if they plopped down uncompressed PCM audio tracks as used on some Blu-Ray discs.

Eric

Yes, decode in the source player. There's really no reason to decode it in the AVR. Regardless of how you feel about "extras", you will be losing some functionality if you don't decode the audio in the player. Why do you care if it's not decoded in the AVR, anyway?

Use the analog cables for the decoded PCM audio.

Eric


Eric

To avoid the additional cables, wouldn't it be best to send the decoded PCM HD Audio via HDMI as kanefsky mentioned in his post above? Or did I misunderstand his post, and this is not possible? Less cables = better (for me) :)

Another question: I have always selected Dolby Digital as the output on varioous DVD players assumiing that the DD bits would be sent to the receiver for decoding. I always thought that if I selected PCM, the player would just send two channel stereo to the AVR? Have I been wrong all these years? Would there be an advantage to selecting PCM instead?

To avoid the additional cables, wouldn't it be best to send the decoded PCM HD Audio via HDMI as kanefsky mentioned in his post above? Or did I misunderstand his post, and this is not possible? Less cables = better (for me) :)


When we get the new HDMI card... :D

The current HDMI card cannot play audio signals from the HDMI inputs. It can only output PCM audio via the HDMI output. In other words, if you have the multichannel card and you use the decoded PCM output of your HD player via those analog cables, you can actually send that PCM audio out of your AVR via the HDMI out, but that's rather useless...

Eric

Another question: I have always selected Dolby Digital as the output on varioous DVD players assumiing that the DD bits would be sent to the receiver for decoding. I always thought that if I selected PCM, the player would just send two channel stereo to the AVR? Have I been wrong all these years? Would there be an advantage to selecting PCM instead?

No, you were correct. It would be sending two-channel PCM to your AVR. But with the new Dolby TrueHD format, it's six-channel PCM when decoded. There's no reason to decode the standard Dolby Digital in the player.

Eric

When we get the new HDMI card... :D

The current HDMI card cannot play audio signals from the HDMI inputs. It can only output PCM audio via the HDMI output. In other words, if you have the multichannel card and you use the decoded PCM output of your HD player via those analog cables, you can actually send that PCM audio out of your AVR via the HDMI out, but that's rather useless...

Eric

But I can use the analog inputs to play decoded analog HD Audio from an HD or DB player, correct?

When the new HDMI card comes along, I can send it PCM HD Audio, and it may be able to decode it on the HDMI card itself?

OR

A firmware update may allow the NR-1000's DAC to decode it instead? If so, would "Bitstream" or "PCM" be the output I would select on the source player?

But I can use the analog inputs to play decoded analog HD Audio from an HD or DB player, correct?


Absolutely.


When the new HDMI card comes along, I can send it PCM HD Audio, and it may be able to decode it on the HDMI card itself?


Yes.

OR


A firmware update may allow the NR-1000's DAC to decode it instead? If so, would "Bitstream" or "PCM" be the output I would select on the source player?

Yes...that would be bitstream.

Eric

Absolutely.



Yes.

OR



Yes...that would be bitstream.

Eric


Okay. Two more million dollar questions... ;)


If you had a high def audio source, either BD or HD DVD. and a new HDMI moldule was introduced that supported decoding on the card, would you choose HDMI over the analog cables from the source? Either way, why?

Also, the same scenario as above, but decoding on the NR-1000's internal DACs instead of on the HDMI card?

No, you were correct. It would be sending two-channel PCM to your AVR. But with the new Dolby TrueHD format, it's six-channel PCM when decoded. There's no reason to decode the standard Dolby Digital in the player.

Eric

Any idea why PCM couldn't/didn't transmit all six channels on the standard def players :confused:

I think I am confused as to why PCM is offered as an option on standard def players.

Okay. Two more million dollar questions... ;)


If you had a high def audio source, either BD or HD DVD. and a new HDMI moldule was introduced that supported decoding on the card, would you choose HDMI over the analog cables from the source? Either way, why?

Also, the same scenario as above, but decoding on the NR-1000's internal DACs instead of on the HDMI card?


Probably the analog cables because you lose some disc functionality if you decode in the AVR. Did you read that Dolby Labs monograph I linked to earlier?

Dolby TrueHD is lossless, so the output should be identical to the input, so I don't think you are getting any penalty for permitting the player to perform the decoding.

Eric

Any idea why PCM couldn't/didn't transmit all six channels on the standard def players :confused:

I think I am confused as to why PCM is offered as an option on standard def players.


Uncompressed PCM takes up LOTS OF ROOM. There isn't really space for six full-range PCM tracks and the video signal on a standard DVD, AFAIK.

Eric

I think I am confused as to why PCM is offered as an option on standard def players.


I think PCM on standard def players is mainly about transmitting stereo PCM over S/PDIF (optical or coax) for backwards compatibility with receivers and D/A converters that don't handle Dolby Digital or DTS.

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Steve

Uncompressed PCM takes up LOTS OF ROOM. There isn't really space for six full-range PCM tracks and the video signal on a standard DVD, AFAIK.

Eric

Nor is there enough bandwidth on the S/PDIF to transmit six channels of PCM.

While I know HDMI is supposed to become the all-in-one digital answer it would be nice if the future Onkyo HD-DVD player and others would have an i-Link connector to allow some more flexibility to users about outputting HD audio signals.
I'm curious though, with a standard DVD player like the SP-1000, does someone lose flexability or audio quality by using the i-Link over the multi-channel analog connections. I've been pleased with i-Link since I've used it between my units. Does anyone prefer the analog connections and why?

Best.......Carlo.

i like the i-link for several reasons the sound is great and the reduction
in wires o yea and no handshake issues.

What kind of audio racks are you guys using for the NR1000?
Mine is on its way to the house and i can't find a rack that fits the length of the unit much less the weight.
I really dont want this sitting on the bottom shelf of my existing unit.

I use a Lovan Soveregn 4 tier rack. It's extremely sturdy and my reciever sits on the top rack just out of reach of my kids!
http://www.lovanusa.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_25&products_id=33&osCsid=e41b1ca8350802da77937322f183ad82


Best........Carlo.

While I know HDMI is supposed to become the all-in-one digital answer it would be nice if the future Onkyo HD-DVD player and others would have an i-Link connector to allow some more flexibility to users about outputting HD audio signals.
I'm curious though, with a standard DVD player like the SP-1000, does someone lose flexability or audio quality by using the i-Link over the multi-channel analog connections. I've been pleased with i-Link since I've used it between my units. Does anyone prefer the analog connections and why?

Best.......Carlo.

I like I-Link too. Have said thie before but it offers daisychaining, clock control and control commands that even HDMI 1.3 does not.

All implementations of I-Link are supposed to be able to support 5.1 channels of 96/24 PCM (7.1 or more is possible but not compulsory). I hope Onkyo release an HD player with I-Link so I can just plug it in to my RDC-.71 (Same series as TX-NR1000) and enjoy full res audio without having to mess around with a new card or firmware.

I spoke to a few people at Onkyo about their HD DVD player, they made it very clear that they support Hd Dvd AND Blu-ray.

I have to a chance to get this reciever at a pretty good price and was wondering if it would be a good match for some KEF reference seris speakers?

iLink for HD format players would be A Good Thing (in addition to the HDMI, 'natch)

Maybe even DVD-Audio support? And yes, Onkyo is a member of both the HD DVD group and the BDA.

Does anyone think Onkyo may put togaether a player that plays both formats?
A lot of "million dollar" questions being asked here today! ;)

Does anyone think Onkyo may put togaether a player that plays both formats?
A lot of "million dollar" questions being asked here today! ;)
and if it played sacd and dvd-a and the build quality was that of the 10.5
or the 1000 ok i can dream cain't i.

I have to a chance to get this reciever at a pretty good price and was wondering if it would be a good match for some KEF reference seris speakers?

Should be a pretty good match. I use an RDC-7.1 and EAD Powermaster, the RDC-7.1 is the same Pre and processing section as the TX-NR1000. I listened to some Kef 203s with my setup a while back and was very impressed. The Kefs are an average difficulty load and in anything but a very large room I would imagine the TX-NR1K has the juice.

I was told a dual format player was not planned, it would be two seperate ones but they may have just been trying to throw me off the scent. :)

I would probably go for a Blu player that can play DVD-A and SACD or maybe an HD DVD player that can (I-Link would probably tip the balance). I currently have an HD-XA1 and Pioneer 59AVI and am running out of rack space.

Should be a pretty good match. I use an RDC-7.1 and EAD Powermaster, the RDC-7.1 is the same Pre and processing section as the TX-NR1000. I listened to some Kef 203s with my setup a while back and was very impressed. The Kefs are an average difficulty load and in anything but a very large room I would imagine the TX-NR1K has the juice.
Does getting this reciever around 50% of MSRP brand new sound like a good deal. I haven't seen any other street prices but figured that it was pretty good.

If you plan to use I-Link audio for your DVD/SACD/DVD-A source then yes its an excellent deal. If you plan to use only HDMI then it is merely a very good deal with some possible upgrade potential (Maybe).

It would mainly be to power some Kef Reference series speakers for HT use and occasional music.

I think the new HD DVD player or Blu-Ray aren't compatible with the DVD-Audio and SACD formats.
The iLink dead with HDMI and SACD&DVD-AUDIO also with new lossless formats (DTS HD & Dolby Digital True HD)

Xavier

i doubt that i-link is dead we might see a re-birth after all we did
not see compatibility issues with it and i think it has the bandwidth.

I think the new HD DVD player or Blu-Ray aren't compatible with the DVD-Audio and SACD formats.
The iLink dead with HDMI and SACD&DVD-AUDIO also with new lossless formats (DTS HD & Dolby Digital True HD)

Xavier
Xavierc ;I think your right about bluray never releasing a dvd audio hd player [they co invented sacd and meridian threw a spanner in the works inventing dvd audio-mlp] :) With dd+ and true hd 24/96 hd discs from chicago and heart already being released it dont look good for dvd audio :(

The core tech of true hd is mlp[dvd audio] but its been improved with double the maximum bit rate [18mbps]and double the maximum no of channels[14] according to wide screen review.The ps3 does play sacd's I think.

I-Link has 400MB of bandwidth although I doubt the reciever chips do or indeed any I-Link prepro/reciever have that kind of bandwidth to the DSP. I-link could easily carry the converted PCM for these new formats, likely without any change to existing I-Link receivers but it all relies on a manufacturer believing the market is big enough to make development of an HD player with I-Link worth it.

Net Tune Module Problem?
I can't seem to get the net Tune module to connect to my server or the internet.
I'm using the same CAT5 cable that works perfectly for the xbox360.

When I plug the port in to the NR1000 I don't get a light on my Ethernet switch.
when I plug in the same cable to the 360, the switch port lights up.
I'v made a new cable and certified it with a cable tester and will try it tonight, however I doubt this is the issue as the other CAT5 run in my home passed the certification too.

Firmware Revision Question
The unit is brand new.
Ver 1.9
What are the current firmware versions? And are they available for a self install?

re: iLink, I posited just this question to the Integra product manager at CEDIA Expo last fall. He said that iLink is wonderful, but HDMI has become the connection of choice in the industry...

Eric

Net Tune Module Problem?
I can't seem to get the net Tune module to connect to my server or the internet.
I'm using the same CAT5 cable that works perfectly for the xbox360.

When I plug the port in to the NR1000 I don't get a light on my Ethernet switch.
when I plug in the same cable to the 360, the switch port lights up.
I'v made a new cable and certified it with a cable tester and will try it tonight, however I doubt this is the issue as the other CAT5 run in my home passed the certification too.


Did you go into the Network setup page and mess around in there?

Eric

Did you go into the Network setup page and mess around in there?

Eric
I actually hard coded all my IP info in there, and tried to allow DHCP too.
The DCHP address comes back with a 169.254 address, which just says that DHCP couldn't obtain an address from a DHCP Server.

Turns out it is a bad cable or termination on the punch down block in my wiring closet. :o The test cable that I made allowed me to bypass the CAT5 wall jack and connect directly to my switch and out to the internet.

Also, the amber light on the NR1000's ethernet card came on too.

I appreciate the advice though.

re: iLink, I posited just this question to the Integra product manager at CEDIA Expo last fall. He said that iLink is wonderful, but HDMI has become the connection of choice in the industry...

Eric

Doesn't sound promising. I still don't see why this would make much difference to Onkyo though. Their high end products are designed to work best together and to help dealers like yourself sell whole packages. I-Link could offer auto switching, Custom OSD from amp (As is currently implemented) and the option to keep video and audio seperate if the user still wished (Which considering the severe lack of HDMI ports might be a good option). Ironically support from Denon is looking more likely due to support of Denonlink making I-Link possible with not much more than an extra connector (Very similar protocol and both can share most of the chips required).

I see your point but HDMI is now in the driver seat whether we like it or not. And sometimes the crappy handshakes make me hate it... :mad:

I see your point but HDMI is now in the driver seat whether we like it or not. And sometimes the crappy handshakes make me hate it... :mad:


HDMI is in the driving seat but couldn't I-Link be passenger?

Trust me, I am a big fan of i-LINK. I wish many others would have adopted it. I liked using it with the SP1000, and my JVC HM5 U. Oh and of course they went to my TX1000!

I hope Onkyo does incorporate the i-Link in whatever HD player they develop. It would just make the unit more flexible and it would provide end users more connection options since not everybody has the same equipment or requirements. And it would make the receiver a more desirable piece of equipment. I bought my receiver along with their SP-1000 DVD player and the i-Link was a major factor in that decision. I bet dollars-to-donuts Onkyo could sell more than a few HD-DVD player/receiver combo packages if they could be hooked together with i-Link. Remember, we're trying to think like Nostradamus here! :rolleyes:

Best.......Carlo.

it made more sense because you could daisy-chain without needing 4 or 5 ports.

I recently moved and in my new house I have an opportunity to use the second zone on my receiver. I got it connected and the audio is working fine. My issue is with the video.

I have the zone 2 monitor connected to the composite video #2 out. The manual (page 67) makes it sound like you should be able to see video from any source as long as it is connected using composite, S-video or component. I have all my sources connected using only component video.

When I tried to use zone 2 I got audio but no video. I added a composite cable for one of my sources and then I got video. I was hoping to avoid having to connect all the sources using both component and composite video cables. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand the manual? Help!

-- Dave

Curious,
Can a monitor that is used for a PC (Dell 15" Flat pannel monitor) be used as an output for the OSD / Net tunes / Itunes display? or will I have to invest in a small Flat pannel TV to fulfill that need?

TIA,
Twisty.

i think the on screen display has to be composite , component or s-video
so unless it is one of these on your monitor i think not.

Just some FYI... For those of you using the newer DirecTV HR20-700 HD DVRs, when setting up the DirecTV remote to do VOLUME and MUTE on the TX1000 use the TV code under OTHER! Trust me!!! :eek:

i think the on screen display has to be composite , component or s-video
so unless it is one of these on your monitor i think not.

You will need a TV or a Component to VGA transcoder (A small box that costs about £50).

Dave,

What SW version are you running?
I sent you version 1.9 which should overcome this problem some months ago. Did you install it???

Richard

I recently moved and in my new house I have an opportunity to use the second zone on my receiver. I got it connected and the audio is working fine. My issue is with the video.

I have the zone 2 monitor connected to the composite video #2 out. The manual (page 67) makes it sound like you should be able to see video from any source as long as it is connected using composite, S-video or component. I have all my sources connected using only component video.

When I tried to use zone 2 I got audio but no video. I added a composite cable for one of my sources and then I got video. I was hoping to avoid having to connect all the sources using both component and composite video cables. Am I missing something or did I misunderstand the manual? Help!

-- Dave

Hi Richard,

The receiver I was using developed a problem while still under warranty. Onkyo was not able to fix the problem so they gave me a brand new receiver. This one has 1.9 firmware installed. I sure wish I could figure out what's going on...

-- Dave

Well, it's not an HDCP handshake thing... it's really EDID handshake (resolution capabilities of the display device). You may get a "Resolution Error" displayed on the front panel of the AVR. To bypass this issue:

On the front panel:
Hold the VIDEO1 button in and press the SETUP button, then release both buttons.
The display will say: "DVI Output: Auto"
Then use the scroll wheel to change to: "DVI Output: On"
This will enter the resolution forced mode where the AVR will ignore the video display's EDID information and output 1080i, even if the display tells the AVR that it can only display 480p.

Eric

Eric, or any one else

Does the TX1000 allow 1080P pass through?
Or if they do a new HDMI board is it possible for the board to do the video processing and allow this.

If the settings mentioned above is the way to go can you please verify

Any help on the TX 1000 and 1080P would be appreciated (I've got the DTR 10.5 believe its the same as the US TX1000 or European 5000E)

Eric, or any one else

Does the TX1000 allow 1080P pass through?
Or if they do a new HDMI board is it possible for the board to do the video processing and allow this.

If the settings mentioned above is the way to go can you please verify

Any help on the TX 1000 and 1080P would be appreciated (I've got the DTR 10.5 believe its the same as the US TX1000 or European 5000E)


No 1080p support. We are awaiting the new HDMI board which will support that.

Eric

No 1080p support. We are awaiting the new HDMI board which will support that.

Eric


When you say we awaiting the new board Eric, doe's this mean there is a new board on the way or have they not actually made it official yet, meaning they may change there minds and just bring out a whole new model instead which will then put this one into the obsolete file, like the Onkyo 989 etc

Ta

G

I found one of these units for way less than normal. I have no place to audition, but if you were getting this unit for ~40+% off would you jump on it?

Have you owners got any info on the HDMI 1.3 upgrade card? Hopefully, 4in 1/2 out.

Have there been any firmware updates lately or are they even necessary?

Thanks.

at that price jump on it its a power house .

Have you owners got any info on the HDMI 1.3 upgrade card?
The 1.3 card is scheduled to ship just after HDMI 1.4 is announced. At that time, the 1.3 card will be cancelled and they will start working on a 1.4 card (or at least that's what we'll be told).

Repeat ad infinitum.

--
Steve

It is a nice unit that does great sound. At 40% off I would say it is more than worth it. I just wish we would get a firm release date on a new HDMI card...

Well, it's a used unit.
I am just curious about the HDMI 1.3 card.
Having firewire is a good safety, but I want the new HDMI card.

Trust me when I say you aren't the only one waiting for A new HDMI card. ;)

The 1.3 card is scheduled to ship just after HDMI 1.4 is announced. At that time, the 1.3 card will be cancelled and they will start working on a 1.4 card (or at least that's what we'll be told).

Repeat ad infinitum.

--
Steve
I would not laugh at that statement too much. I read not too long ago that 1.3 does not handle 3.5k resolution input/ output. So expect yet another new standard.

Trust me when I say you aren't the only one waiting for A new HDMI card. ;)
i would say just about everyone that bought into the program.

I would not laugh at that statement too much. I read not too long ago that 1.3 does not handle 3.5k resolution input/ output. So expect yet another new standard.

I don't really care about 3.5 K resolution. I feel HDMI 1.3 would keep me happy until 2004 maybe longer.

HDMI 1.1 will be would likely be fine for me until 2008 or even better HD SDI.

I am with you on that one. I would be happy with 1.1 as well...

I'd be happy with the following posted on the Onkyo website:

Dear TX-NR1000 owners. We haven't forgotten about you! The HDMI upgrade card is in the works. It's gonna be 1.3 and it's coming out later this year, we promise! So stop bugging poor Eric over at the AVS forum for upcoming news on this product since we've done such a crummy job of informing you ourselves! We'll try to do better.
Thanks,
Onkyo, USA.
P.S. We still think Nostradamus would buy this receiver!

Couldn't have typed it better myself! PERFECT!!! :)

i think if they do not follow up on the 10.5 and the 1000 it will be a long
time before a lot of people will purchase a product from them with claims
of upgradability.

Include me! :mad:

If they pulled that crap of not upgrading, I think a lot of people would see if a class action suit had any merit.

I am sure they are working on an HDMI card. I just hope it's HDMI 1.3 at this point.
Otherwise 1.1 time while adequate was a long time ago.

Also, PM if you have any info on what these should sell for used. I am looking at one and it's almost impossible to find a ballpark figure fore what this should sell for Used.

I've already decided not to support Onkyo if they never release a new HDMI card... :mad:

i have not gave up yet egcarter said they will be introducing a new card for hdmi
not sure if i read it or he said it thought the timeline was 2nd quarter of 07.

if you have any info on what these should sell for used. I am looking at one and it's almost impossible to find a ballpark figure fore what this should sell for Used.

The retail Orion Blue Book used prices are shown as being from $2220 to $2920. But keep in mind this is only recommended retail prices that Orion recommends for a dealer to charge for a used one that he maybe took in on trade. But I feel that those prices are too high, and at the upper end, even somewhat close to what you should be able to get a real deal on a new one for. So actual used prices for one that's even in the "Best" category, that they all probably should be a lot lower than what Orion thinks they should be.


"ONKYO TX-NR1000

Retail BEST $2920
Retail BETTER $2620
Retail FAIR-Good $2220

Definition of price categories.

BEST The fair market value of the item in mint condition. Everything operating correctly Perfect cosmetic condition, acoustically and or electronically perfect, and normally has 30 day warranty. Might have the original manual for the unit with it, as well as the original manufacturers packing box.

BETTER The fair market value of the item in good condition. A few cosmetic flaws, acoustically and or electronically works without problems, might show some signs of wear, does not come with warranty.

FAIR-Good The fair market value of the item in fair to good condition. Some dents, scratches or nicks, some wear, acoustically and or electronically functions. Does not come with warranty.Some times sold as is, but should be working."

I'm checking, guys....

Eric

JohnLA,
PM sent.

JohnLA,
PM sent.

Got it, and also sent one back to you.

Thanks egcarter... An update would make a lot of us feel better...

If they pulled that crap of not upgrading, I think a lot of people would see if a class action suit had any merit.

I am sure they are working on an HDMI card. I just hope it's HDMI 1.3 at this point.
Otherwise 1.1 time while adequate was a long time ago.

Also, PM if you have any info on what these should sell for used. I am looking at one and it's almost impossible to find a ballpark figure fore what this should sell for Used.
You can buy a new one if you don't mind the gold look from overseas. It will be less than buying used in the U.S. You may also want to think about refurbished. Can be very inexpensive and a warrantyl will be in effect for a period of time.

Gold would be nice if you could get more than one component in gold...

Hey guys, what a great forum. I see I'm going to be spending lots of time here.

I just installed a NR1000 with an XA1 HD DVD player and a Sim2 Domino 80 projector. Pretty much puts me back on my heals the picture is so clear. Now for what seems a comman issue, I can't rout it through the hdmi card. I see this has been posted prior with the same player and wonder if there has been any solutions discovered. My distributer claims to know nothing about this problem and cliamed it must be my cables or signal strength. I have two days now into running shorter cables, adding an HDMI blaster (worthless), no go. Then I hop online this afternoon and low and behold, it's an age old problem.

Sorry I'm rambling, is there any way to make this combination work?

Thanks

I was using the XA1 with my TX1000 and a few different pjs. What order are you turning your components on? Sometimes that makes a huge difference. Especially with these all over the map HDMI specs... Do you get a picture when you send the XA1 straight to the pj without the TX1000? With a little more info maybe we can help... :)

Gold would be nice if you could get more than one component in gold...

Sure you can...... It just takes a little DIY (http://www.goldleafcompany.com/?OVRAW=gold%20leaf&OVKEY=gold%20leaf&OVMTC=standard) .... ;)

I power up the xa1 first then the nr1000 and lastly the projector. If I go directly from the player to the projector it works great. If I go from the player to the receiver via componant and then hdmi to the projector it works but, of course, drops to 1080i. hdmi in and hdmi out, the player keeps stoping and the screen says it's going to start the dvd from the begining to set the resolution. Then the picture basicly flashes on and off. If I jump scenes it will sometimes play briefly but will always eventually start over to "reset resolution".

That could be the issue. The XA1 should be turned on last. Also, which firmware version does it have? Try turning on the pj and TX1000 first. Then when the XA1 is turned on it can find the handshake... Let us know...

I tried powering up the player last and got the same situation. New wrinkle, it's an X2A HDMI 1.3 player, not the X1A. Here's what's happening.

Connect the X2A to the TX1000 via HDMI, X2A set to 1080P;
picture quality is bad, lots of bright outlines and grainy distortion. Very speratic connection. May connect for 10 seconds then "No Signal" will pop up. Occasionaly will just flash the picture for a 10th of a second every couple seconds.

Same setup wtih the X2A set at 1080i;
Distortion is gone, picture stays for quite a bit longer, maybe a minute or so, then the signal is lost again. Skipping scenes on the dvd can force the picture back up but only for a minute or so then it's gone again.

Dropping the X2A to 720P makes the uptime incrementally greater but still disconects eventually, maybe 1.5 minutes.

If I go composite into the TX1000 and HDMI to the projector it works fine but the image is degraded as opposed to full HDMI connections with the player set at 1080i

Composite into the TX1000 and Composite out to proj works but again, with less picture quality then was paid for.

I'm not sure which firmware I'm running. What should it be?

Since you have the XA2 then you have the most current firmware. I would bet it is the XA2 because the latest A2 and XA2 are known for having issues with older HDMI specs (unfortunately that is in the TX1000) and DVI inputs. At this point I would just hope the newest firmware due out soon will fix the handshake with the TX1000. Eventually th new HDMI cards (hopefully they are still coming) for the Onkyo should also fix this. I know ou don't want to wait but your best bet is to have the XA2 go directly to the pj for the tim being. Either that get a HDMI switcher from Monoprice (which defeats the purpose of the TX1000 HDMI card).... Sorry I could not give better news...

There is no support for 1080p with the HDMI 1.0 card.

It should work with 1080i and 720p. Do you get any error message from the receiver?
The HDMI card actually regenerates the video signal...it's not a passive "pass-through" device. Rather sophisticated, actually. That's why it's $500!

Eric

Thanks for the help, I now have the Parasound Zhd on order. I can run that via rs232 so at least it will oporate smoothly. I guess I'll ring in with everyone else here and say I hope Onkyo comes through. I'd hate to write them off due to a problem that would seem so easily fixed.

Thanks again

I am very close to ordering the 1000 but after talking to an Onkyo rep late last week I was informed that "I should wait until august when they release their new reciever that will be better for less"

any thoughts?

Can someone send me a copy of the latest firmware (I believe 1.9)? email is fperra@comcast.net

Thanks

Can someone send me a copy of the latest firmware (I believe 1.9)? email is fperra@comcast.net

Thanks

I was under the impression that the latest version was 2.x which included support for WMP 10 — can someone clarify? And I won't mind in the least getting my hands on that one ;)

FYI, the new CHDXM card is now shipping.

Eric
I've searched and searched all of the internet authorized dealers for the card and can't seem to find it. Even tried google / ebay/ amazon.

Anyone know where I can get this card and how much it's going for now?
TIA

I believe 1.9 is the latest... :)

The Nettune Upgrade is seperate file AFAIK, it is in the wild as downloadable file unlike Master version 2.0. Master Version 2.0 must be available to dealers on request otherwise they cannot install the C-HDXM module. V2.0 was installed in my RDC-7.1 unit by the UK distro.

As for finding the C-HDXM module, try Integra dealers, Onkyo does not officially support user module upgrades AFAIK.

So this whole firmware/software info is a mess just like the rest of Onyko's shabby attempt at support for this receiver. So on this international onkyo net-tune site it first says you must have the latest firmware to install net-tune central, but then goes on in some detail later to describe how this software can update firmware as well for the NR1000...but then along the very bottom of the page is says you need an RS232 cable?

Then again on the onkyousa site it flat out says it needs to be taken to a local service center for any firmware updates, so what's the real story?

Bottom line, is net-tune (or new net-tune central) capable of updating the NR1000's firmware or is it absolutely required that its taken to a local service center? Because realistically, there aren't any local service centers...my closest is 926 miles away. That's a big shipping bill.

So this whole firmware/software info is a mess just like the rest of Onyko's shabby attempt at support for this receiver. So on this international onkyo net-tune site it first says you must have the latest firmware to install net-tune central, but then goes on in some detail later to describe how this software can update firmware as well for the NR1000...but then along the very bottom of the page is says you need an RS232 cable?

Then again on the onkyousa site it flat out says it needs to be taken to a local service center for any firmware updates, so what's the real story?

Bottom line, is net-tune (or new net-tune central) capable of updating the NR1000's firmware or is it absolutely required that its taken to a local service center? Because realistically, there aren't any local service centers...my closest is 926 miles away. That's a big shipping bill.


You do not need to update the master firmware of your receiver to get the Net Tune improvements. They are separate updates. The receiver firmware only needs to updated if you are getting the HDXM Radio Card.


Net Tune Central does not get installed on your receiver...it is installed on the host computer.

Firmware updates are done from a PC to the receiver via and RS-232 cable.

An end-user is certainly capable of performing the update, as long as they FOLLOW THE INSTRUCTIONS. Too many people "bricked" their units by not doing so. You also must make sure your computer will not Sleep or Hibernate during the update process. Don''t run a laptop off of the batteries...plug it in!

Eric

I am starting to get that itch. It happens every Spring. I am contemplating selling my TX1000 for another brand. If you were going to is there a specific receiver you would get? I am seriously close to moving it for either a Pioner Elite 84 or a Denon unit. I know the 84 is considerably less but atleast it will do the audio over its 4 HDMI inputs. Or would you stick it out longer for newer models coming? I don't really care about HDMI 1.3 so that is not worth waiting for to me. Any thoughts? Talk me down! :eek:

I am starting to get that itch. It happens every Spring. I am contemplating selling my TX1000 for another brand. If you were going to is there a specific receiver you would get? I am seriously close to moving it for either a Pioner Elite 84 or a Denon unit. I know the 84 is considerably less but atleast it will do the audio over its 4 HDMI inputs. Or would you stick it out longer for newer models coming? I don't really care about HDMI 1.3 so that is not worth waiting for to me. Any thoughts? Talk me down! :eek:
i too was contemplating a change but the sound quality and power of this thing
keeps me in tow but if i do change it would be to anthem separates so i think i will
hang on to it awhile longer.

I'm stubborn. Mine works without any problems so I'll be keeping it for a while. In order for me to sell, it would take something with a feature set like HDMI 1.3 and decoding of the new HD audio codecs to make be consider it. Pound for pound and watt for watt nothing ( to me ) comes close to this receiver until you start looking into separates or or the top-dog Denon and at that point you are talking some serious scratch. In some ways this this thing reminds me of my old Luxman R-117. It wasn't fancy but it was the best sounding most powerful 2 channel receiver there was and if you cared for such things had a tuner that could compete with separates. I still regret selling it. Long story short; what the NR-1000 does it does very very well. It's maker's customer service not withstanding!

Best......Carlo.

The thing weighs a ton and sounded great w/ the speakers (Dynaudio) I heard them with.

If any of you care there's one on Ebay and one on Audiogon above my meager budget. The Ebay one is weird. It's been up 3 times in the last couple of days.

I know weight doesn't mean everything, but this thing inspires confidence in build quality when you try to pick it up.
I had a 989 and it was the same way. Great receiver, but complete marketing crap when it came to the upgrade "promise."

Anyone know when the HDMI upgrade card is coming?

Why are you guys going to the International site if you're in the US?

Eric

Don't ask about the HDMI card!

I am still on the ledge but if I just knew for sure there would be a newer HDMI card that did audio then I would come down. I would hate selling it for a cheaper Pioneer or Marantz but it would be nice to be able to hook up my HD DVD player and Blu ray player thru it. And my luck those other receivers won't sound as good. :) Damn, decisions... :D

I am still on the ledge but if I just knew for sure there would be a newer HDMI card that did audio then I would come down. I would hate selling it for a cheaper Pioneer or Marantz but it would be nice to be able to hook up my HD DVD player and Blu ray player thru it. And my luck those other receivers won't sound as good. :) Damn, decisions... :D
if you spec it out the onkyo has more power and lower noise floor
and a lot more headroom.

You are definitely right. How can a 1500.00 receiver sound better than a 4999.00 receiver? Seriously... :)

I'm trying to setup a 1000 to a serial controller. I'm having no luck finding the necessary info, baud rate, parity, etc. Any idea where this info can be obtained on the net?

Thanks

Use 9600 / No Parity, No Flow Control. Do you have the codes?

The MSC 400 I'm using has a database of codes. So far, I'm assuming that the TX1000 will be in the list, I guess I'll know pretty soon. They did have the IR codes. If there is somewhere that these are listed I would love to have a printout on file of all RS-232 codes available for this receiver.

I have a spreadsheet (from Onkyo) that documents the RS-232 command set for all of their receivers. I'm happy to email it to anyone who wants it - just PM me with your email address.

-- Dave

Anyone know what type of antenna is necessary for the XM Radio. Do I need to get the Passport mini tuner and a docking station?

After watching Back To The Future on HDNET Movies this weekend I was floored how good the sound came out. I switched back to Dolby Digital EX mode! :eek: I did speak with Onkyo support today and they did tell me a HDMI card would be out sometime this year! I told them at tis point many of us would settle for 1.2. They did say they thought they were going to be 1.3 but could not 100% confirm it. Either way I don't care. I just want audio over HDMI so I can stop the madness of wanting to cave and get those 1500.00 receivers! :eek: I was as close as you can get to getting the Pioneer 84... :eek: I am glad I didn't jump. :)

my feelings exactly joe this has been the best rec i have ever had
and it ties the separates i had i do not want to give up on it just
want a hdmi card with audio.

I was contemplating the separates route but for me the receiver has more than enough power to get the job done! I have 7 subs going and the TX1000 handles it like a champ! :eek: That was another one of my worries about another sub pushing my subs... Why fix what is not broken... If they do get us a newer HDMI card I can route my Blu ray & HD DVD player thru it. Then I will be thrilled I did not sell it... :)

After looking at the Onkyo website lastnite I noticed that it had HDMI video upconversion mentioned. I do not remember them ever saying anything about that before. Also, when you click on HDMI it states that it is used for both VIDEO and AUDIO. Are the new production units starting to come out with the different HDMI card? I think it is great if they are (as long as they provide us with the update of course...) :)

I noticed this too. I also downloaded the 2007 line catalog and the catalog for the TXNR-1000 and DVSP-10000. they have nice pictures of the interiors of the components.

Best.......Carlo.

That is good news! I will have to look at the manuals... :)

And now the BIG question is when did they make the manufacturing change (for those interested in buying now) or what month/build date?

I just got off the phone with a lady in product support who said she was not aware of a product change in the HDMI interface of the newest TX1000s. I told her that I just read about it in their latest 2007 brochure about the TX1000 and SP1000. She said as far as she knew it was still only doing video... SO is that brochure a HUGE type "O"? Egcarter, where are you? :)

another big reason for keeping it is the fact it does transcodes
not a lot of rec 's do this.

You are speaking about PCM?

Doe's the 1000 recognize surround flags? If I feed it a digital audio feed from a HD source, can it recognize the surround mode and make adjustments or is that purely done via humane interaction?

It does that quite well. :)

I noticed this too. I also downloaded the 2007 line catalog and the catalog for the TXNR-1000 and DVSP-10000. they have nice pictures of the interiors of the components.

Best.......Carlo.

Hello,

where can we find 2007 catalog ?

Thanks !

Hello,

where can we find 2007 catalog ?

Thanks !

Here you go: Onkyo Catalog (http://63.148.251.135/redirect.cfm?file=2006-2007_USA_sm.pdf) Hope you have DSL as the catalog is 20+M

Anyone know what type of antenna is necessary for the XM Radio. Do I need to get the Passport mini tuner and a docking station?

You do need to purchase the XM Passport System.

Eric

After looking at the Onkyo website lastnite I noticed that it had HDMI video upconversion mentioned. I do not remember them ever saying anything about that before. Also, when you click on HDMI it states that it is used for both VIDEO and AUDIO. Are the new production units starting to come out with the different HDMI card? I think it is great if they are (as long as they provide us with the update of course...) :)


Semantics. That's their marketing department referring to "transcoding" as "upconversion". Note that it is talking about converting component video to HDMI. It has always done that (also composite and s-video as well).

Look at all of their newer products with HDMI 1.1...they say "HDMI Upconversion". They don't modify the resolution (except for de-interlacing 480i to 480p). The only real "upconversion" is done on the DVD players.

Eric

You are right. I got excited for nothing. They are still using HDMI 1.0 with all their newer TX1000s. Who knows what their gameplan is. I will give it just a little longer than if nothing is mentioned...

I have a problem with hooking up an old nintendo to the 1000. I hooked it up using the composite a/v cables and i get barely a glimpse of a picture before it disappears.

I have a hitachi HDPJ52 projector hooked to the onkyo through hdmi. I have checked the settings a 100 times and I cannot get the nintendo to keep a constant signal when hooked through the receiver. Just a brief glimpse and then nothing.

When the nintendo is hooked directly to the back of the projector, it works fine. I am assuming this problem has something to do with the 480i signal being converted to 480p and then getting lost. Any settings to change on the onkyo or ideas that could help me with this odd problem?

Thanks,

Chris

Hello everyone!

I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.

I was wondering if anyone is using REQ on with Blu ray or HD DVD movies. I don't think we need to anymore...

joe i never tried using req i always ran everthing flat what does that
change out of curiosity just never tried it.

REQ is for controlling the sound decodes on dvd discs (less boomy). They don't take into consideration peoples homes when making dvds. They pretty much treat the process like they do when they make them for real theaters. I have always used it. Nowadays though it seems they take into consideration home use. The latest dvds (sd) sometimes even have a warning on them saying turn off features (like REQ). I have noticed my center speaker struggle with high notes on Blu ray and HD DVD. When I turned it off it seems to have went away... It was just a quick thought about REQ... :)

Hello everyone!

I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.

Just wondering;as I read in sound&vision mag a year ago that onkyo was working on a lower price card input amp - if the upcoming 905 was it and if so could we expect at least 4 in 1 out hdmi socketry? as the 905 has .I realise the difficulty of fitting multiple inputs on these cards.

As the 905 has dts hd ma/dd truehd decoders on board ;does this mean we will be paying twice for these decoders on the upcoming onkyo hd dvd player as well as for the mooted 1000/integra 1.3 card upgrade? I can certainly live with the bitstream decoded to pcm in the player especially when i hd has to be mixed in the player as the discs are advanced authored :)

Good question. I am wondering the same as of late... :)

with all the hdmi handshake issues of late might just get a new plasma with 3 ins
and run direct so far that seems to work and run analog for audio unless the manufacturers
get smart and give us firewire at least that works without compatibility issues.

I actually have 4 HDMI ins and 2 outs on my crystalio II but was wondering if the audio would be that much better if I could use the HDMI on the receiver (hopefully one day with the TX1000)....

so far i think all decoding is done in the players only and its all pcm after that so
running 5.1 analog should give the same result it just gives up the convience of
running 1 cable.

I think I like using COAX anyway. Seriously... :)

Just wondering;as I read in sound&vision mag a year ago that onkyo was working on a lower price card input amp - if the upcoming 905 was it and if so could we expect at least 4 in 1 out hdmi socketry? as the 905 has .I realise the difficulty of fitting multiple inputs on these cards.

As the 905 has dts hd ma/dd truehd decoders on board ;does this mean we will be paying twice for these decoders on the upcoming onkyo hd dvd player as well as for the mooted 1000/integra 1.3 card upgrade? I can certainly live with the bitstream decoded to pcm in the player especially when i hd has to be mixed in the player as the discs are advanced authored :)

I had heard a couple of years ago about a lower-priced card-based product in development. I'm not sure that the 905 is indeed card-based or not. I know it has at least 4 in/1 out HDMI 1.3 (as does the new 805).

About the onboard new codec support, who knows? The guys at Onkyo can't say much just yet for many reasons, but there are lots of new products coming this year and they're excited.

The 905 debuts in the States in August. Other new receivers start popping up in the May-June timeframe. I dunno when the HD DVD player will show.

Eric

So will it be worth it selling the TX1000 for a 905?

So will it be worth it selling the TX1000 for a 905?


Why?

The 1000 is still the top of the line. Still the top performer, etc.

Eric

I know but will there be any noticable improvements just using HDMI for audio and sound? That is my main question... I have been very happy using just the COAX with my Blu ray and HD DVD player so far... :)

I know but will there be any noticable improvements just using HDMI for audio and sound? That is my main question... I have been very happy using just the COAX with my Blu ray and HD DVD player so far... :)


I guess the answer depends on what players you are using. If you have the analog multichannel audio out, that can potentially provide the best audio if the disc is authored with a lossless audio format. Just use the multichannel input card on the 1000 for the decoded (or for Blu-Ray, non-decoded) PCM audio. If you don't have the multichannel analog audio out on the player (like an HD-A2), then you'll need an upgraded HDMI input capability to take advantage of that.

Eric

Hello everyone!

I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.

I know but will there be any noticable improvements just using HDMI for audio and sound? That is my main question... I have been very happy using just the COAX with my Blu ray and HD DVD player so far... :)
As egcarter says joerod use the multi channel in for the best sound.All you will hear with coax is basic dolby digital or dts at 640kbps for dd and slightly higher for dts.This is after the hd dvd player has downmixed the 24/96 dd plus or dd truehd sound to basic dolby digital.So even with only dd+ you are getting dvd audio quality sound [its based on meridian mlp lossless]and truehd/dts hd and dtshd ma is even better quality.Coax is only good for 2 channel pcm or lossy dd.

when I found out that the blu ray movie Crank was the first 7.1 movie released [unfortunately the only hi def player on the market with these 7.1 ouputs is the panasonic ;which could use our card 7.1 inputs]. The only other way to get these 7.1 discs played with full fidelity is with hdmi ver 1.0/1/2 as pcm [at present] :)

So will it be worth it selling the TX1000 for a 905?

I don't think anyone would sell it for the 905. There is still a build quality difference and they are technically in the same generation. Also, I am sure the main advantage the 905 will have is HMDI and auto-EQ which should be addressed on the 1000, but at who knows at what price.

If you are thinking of selling your unit I have had mine on Audiogon for some time and the % of "serious" buyers is frustrating.

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?miscrcvr&1179732128

I have mine also hooked up thru analog (both units). I flip back and forth a lot. I get so much bass thru analog that my wife freaks out! :eek: So I use COAX when she is around and multichannel when she is not... :)

Some more new radio modules are releasing for the TX-NR1000/DTR-10.5/RDC-7.1:

C-SAT: Supports XM, Sirius, RDS FM, AM

C-HDSAT: Supports HD Radio, XM, Sirius, RDS FM, AM

Also a clever forum member is putting together an Windows I-Link audio player. I have been testing with it for a few weeks and 16/44 and 24/96 us now stable wuth my RDC-7.1. Very early days but you might want to keep an eye on this thread:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=606901&page=2

Great. Thanks for the update... :)

So a while back we were hearing that Sony and its PS3 had horded all the HDMI 1.3 setups available. Is this still the case or is the rest of the market buying them up currently? Just kind of wondering what access Onkyo has to getting these chipsets and how that might affect the 1.3 card.

I would think their units coming out late this year would be 1.3...

So a while back we were hearing that Sony and its PS3 had horded all the HDMI 1.3 setups available. Is this still the case or is the rest of the market buying them up currently? Just kind of wondering what access Onkyo has to getting these chipsets and how that might affect the 1.3 card.


Different 1.3 chips...a video source (PS3) will use a different chipset than an AVR would. The chips for the AVR weren't even in production last year.

I do believe we're not scheduled to see any 1.3-compliant AVRs until mid-to-late Summer. (Some Denons, the Onkyo TX-SR905...) I know the new Sherwood Newcastle 1.3-compliant AVRs are not going into production until September.

Eric

Different 1.3 chips...a video source (PS3) will use a different chipset than an AVR would. The chips for the AVR weren't even in production last year.

I do believe we're not scheduled to see any 1.3-compliant AVRs until mid-to-late Summer. (Some Denons, the Onkyo TX-SR905...) I know the new Sherwood Newcastle 1.3-compliant AVRs are not going into production until September.

Eric

Personally, I wouldn't want the fist batch of chips anyway...

Thanks for clearing that up Eric. I thought I had read that on this board a while back but I must have been mistaken. It is the repeater chipset we need, correct?

Thanks for clearing that up Eric. I thought I had read that on this board a while back but I must have been mistaken. It is the repeater chipset we need, correct?


Yes.

Eric

Hey. I'm always in this forum but have never posted before. Anyway, I have a TX-NR1000 with multiple components hooked up over component & composite inputs and the only output on HDMI to a Sony 40" V2500 LCD. I have always had a problem with the screen going blank as if the resolution is changing even though its not. Especially with my XBox 360 during games. It never happens when watching a movie on my xbox. The problem became more frequent, now over the HDMI input to my tv the picture is going off and on constantly and it flashes when on like the tv can't lock in on the resolution. When I use a svideo cable to my tv it works fine but the picture sucks. My firmware version is 1.09. Does anyone know if the 1.9 firmware will correct these problems or what other solutions are available.

I really appreciate any help.

I can update the firmware myself if someone will please send me a copy to (It won't let me put my e-mail address)

Hello: In reference to the C-HDXM card that is now available (Eric may have already discussed this) it retails for $300.00 usd. There is a pdf. on how to install the card if you look on google (sorry I don't how one pastes this information on a message board) It is user installable and no software upgrade appears necessary. I did not see the card on froogle.

It will require at lease firmware 2.00 so most poeple will need a firmware updgrade.

Hello: In reference to the C-HDXM card that is now available (Eric may have already discussed this) it retails for $300.00 usd. There is a pdf. on how to install the card if you look on google (sorry I don't how one pastes this information on a message board) It is user installable and no software upgrade appears necessary. I did not see the card on froogle.


Do you have a question about the C-HDXM card? Yes, as Krobar said, there is a necessary firmware update for this card. It's $300 US and readily available. It can be user-installed, as long as you follow the standard guidelines.

Eric