Hey. I'm always in this forum but have never posted before. Anyway, I have a TX-NR1000 with multiple components hooked up over component & composite inputs and the only output on HDMI to a Sony 40" V2500 LCD. I have always had a problem with the screen going blank as if the resolution is changing even though its not. Especially with my XBox 360 during games. It never happens when watching a movie on my xbox. The problem became more frequent, now over the HDMI input to my tv the picture is going off and on constantly and it flashes when on like the tv can't lock in on the resolution. When I use a svideo cable to my tv it works fine but the picture sucks. My firmware version is 1.09. Does anyone know if the 1.9 firmware will correct these problems or what other solutions are available.

I really appreciate any help.

I can update the firmware myself if someone will please send me a copy to (It won't let me put my e-mail address)

You have the latest firmware generally distributed for your unit. The only newer firmware is only to support the C-HDXM card.

It sounds like there might be some handshaking going on between your components over HDMI. Do you ever get a "Resolution Error' message on the 1000's display?

Eric

pdorsett,

I get the same problem with my 360 hooked up component and output hdmi to my projector through my 1000. My problem only occurs with my 360. I don't believe I have ever had it happen with any other device, then again, the other devices i commonly use are hooked up through the two (2) hdmi inputs. Not sure if that is why or not.

I also have 1.09.

EGCarter, I do not get the resolution error, or at least have never noticed it.

My vide just blinks out then comes right back on. Doesn't happen too often. Only every once in a while. I just assumed my xbox 360 hated me.

pdorsett,

I get the same problem with my 360 hooked up component and output hdmi to my projector through my 1000. My problem only occurs with my 360. I don't believe I have ever had it happen with any other device, then again, the other devices i commonly use are hooked up through the two (2) hdmi inputs. Not sure if that is why or not.

I also have 1.09.

EGCarter, I do not get the resolution error, or at least have never noticed it.

My vide just blinks out then comes right back on. Doesn't happen too often. Only every once in a while. I just assumed my xbox 360 hated me.

Rice0209,
That is how mine started. I had not played my 360 a ton since I got my new tv but recently I started playing Oblivion for extended bursts of 4 to 6 hours each, and the problem with the monitor losing the source kept getting more frequent. Its my first LCD TV and I thought it was just a nusiance so I ignored it but now it appears to have what I would call interference on the HDMI input so the TV can't keep the resolution locked. It is really bad when upconverting a source, ie composite input to HDMi output. The only thing that has held a steady picture is a movie played thu my 360 or the 360 dashboard. otherwise all other sources, including 2 sat recievers hooked up thru s-video and 2 DVD players hooked up thru component, display this interference. I know its not a handshake issue. The problem is happening bc on certian sources the output stream is being interrupted enough for the tv to start to change resolution. hopefully its an isolated problem and yours won't develop into this. Thanks for the help.

Has Onkyo released a new HDMI card for the reciever yet? If the problem is isolated to the HDMI hardware maybe that would fi it.

Quite a bit of discussion on the "new" hdmi card. Nothing has been released since the NR1000's inception. We are still hoping for something in the latter half of 2007. We shall see. The rumor is a HDMI 1.3 card with the same 2 inputs, 1 output.

I would like to let members know that I do have the latest firmware version and if anyone likes it please send me an email and I will send it to you. joerod55@msn.com
As always, self installing is done at your own risk, so be careful... :)

Is the latest 2.00?

They told me it was 2.1. I will call them in the morning to make sure though. I shouldn't have posted it yet. I hope it is infact a newer version...

ATTENTION: The firmware sent to me yesterday was 1.09 (again) not a newer version. They are sending me a newer version either today sometime or tomorrow... Sorry, I apologize for jumping the gun! :eek:

ATTENTION: The firmware sent to me yesterday was 1.09 (again) not a newer version. They are sending me a newer version either today sometime or tomorrow... Sorry, I apologize for jumping the gun! :eek:

Kool, Joerod post it here whenever you get your hands on it.
I love my AVR, but it's pretty sad Onkyo hasn't released much of any add-ons for it like they advertised.

No problem. It will be my pleasure... :)

Newer firmware than 1.09 has nothing to do with HDMI, AFAIK. Just support of the C-HDXM card.

Kool, Joerod post it here whenever you get your hands on it.
I love my AVR, but it's pretty sad Onkyo hasn't released much of any add-ons for it like they advertised.


What more can they add to it? A room vacuum?

Good point! I am now using the 6 OPTICALS (how can I use the front's #7 for my xbox 360) and 2 COAXs... :eek:

does the rds function work in the states and will it show up on the tv or monitor it
is hooked to referring to the new hd tuner card.

does the rds function work in the states and will it show up on the tv or monitor it
is hooked to referring to the new hd tuner card.


Yes. RDS is available in the US with the C-HDXM card. I'm not certain if the info shows up on the TV...it might, as XM info is available on the TV screen as well as on the AVR front panel.

Eric

I just hope we get a newer HDMI card (1.3a/1080p) announced for this year sometime. That way I can stop drooling over the 905! :eek:

HELP!! :eek: I REALLY NEED HELP!


I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.

Two Questions:

1. Where can I purchase a HDXM card online?

2. I have a 5.1 setup on my Main A terminals and a pair of outdoor speakers on Back Surr B setup for Zone 2 and it works great! I also want to hook up a pair of speakers in my garage using Zone 3. Where do I connect them and how do I configure them? I dont see a "Zone 3" option anywhere in the speaker setup menu.

Thanks

HELP!! :eek: I REALLY NEED HELP!


I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.

I have never heard of this happening. Maybe your display doesn't get along swimmingly with your AVR over HDMI? It wouldn't be the first...

Two Questions:

1. Where can I purchase a HDXM card online?

2. I have a 5.1 setup on my Main A terminals and a pair of outdoor speakers on Back Surr B setup for Zone 2 and it works great! I also want to hook up a pair of speakers in my garage using Zone 3. Where do I connect them and how do I configure them? I dont see a "Zone 3" option anywhere in the speaker setup menu.

Thanks

DAlba,

For Zone 3, you will need to supply an external amp.

I doubt if you can purchase the cards online...

Eric

I have been having a look at the RDC-7.1 service manual and do not think an HDMI upgrade is likely.

Video could be easily upgraded since it is literally fed raw video from all the other video inputs but it seems to only have a single SPDIF connection to the DSP. The ILink slot with its 3 I2S lines could be used for high res 5.1 audio but the HDMI slot looks to be a no go.

"but the HDMI slot looks to be a no go"

I sure would like to know that for sure.

I wouldn't care if we had to send them into them to have it become a "go."

I am not from an Electronics background but here are a few interesting things from the Service manual:

Good:
I-Link does seem to feed pure DSD to DACs (At least DACs have DSD interface connected)
The DSPs are of the big Daddy Aureus variety with 64Mb each
The Mutlichannel slot can send 8 channels of 24/96 digital audio and maybe even 192
Radios modules do use a direct digital connection to DSP
HDMI is fed analogue video directly so video processing can be upgraded easily

Bad:
I cant see how high res audio will be transported from HDMI card slot
3 I2S lines from I-Link means there is no 7.1 I-Link support

I still wouldn't mind doing an upgrade if it was just for video. 1080p switching would be awesome...

nostra who

Originally Posted by menexxus
HELP!! I REALLY NEED HELP!


I have a question. I was wondering if anyone has experienced this problem with their TX NR1000. For the last week or so, whenever I play the mServer, I get this flickering snow on the bottom portion of the display on my HDTV. It get progressively worse. I am able to listen to the music, but the on screen display flickers like crazy and theres intermittent snow. Furthermore, once it starts to act up, i loose the headers at the top and bottom of the display ( Top Header where it says: Music Server [GENRE] , Bottom Header where it says: BACK Open etc...) and it gets stretched vertically. Is there a fix for this or maybe a setting which I need to adjust? Thanks in advance.

P.S. Im thinking its the receiver cause this only occurs when listening to the mServer with the on screen display on. I have everything hooked up via HDMI. Plus I checked all my connections and they are tight. So I cant even figure this out.



I have never heard of this happening. Maybe your display doesn't get along swimmingly with your AVR over HDMI? It wouldn't be the first...


No thats not the problem. For over 2 years now it's worked perfect without a hitch, but now this. Furthermore, it just got worse. As of about 15 minutes ago, There is no picture at all. I was listening to Mserver and it flickered for the last time. Now i cant get a picture through the dvd player or cable. To complicate it further, My 2 year warrantee window expired about 3 weeks ago. Damn! Dont know what to do? Any help would be appreciated. Should I reset the receiver to factory settings? If yes how do i reset the receiver to factory settings?

I have to admit this. I was experimenting lastnite when I discovered I could send 1080p from my XA2 thru my TX1000's HDMI input. I have to admit I never knew the TX1000 could do 1080p! I will definitely send the xbox 360 ELITE's HDMI thru it now at 1080p... :)

I am not from an Electronics background but here are a few interesting things from the Service manual:

Good:
I-Link does seem to feed pure DSD to DACs (At least DACs have DSD interface connected)
The DSPs are of the big Daddy Aureus variety with 64Mb each
The Multichannel slot can send 8 channels of 24/96 digital audio and maybe even 192
Radios modules do use a direct digital connection to DSP
HDMI is fed analogue video directly so video processing can be upgraded easily

Bad:
I cant see how high res audio will be transported from HDMI card slot
3 I2S lines from I-Link means there is no 7.1 I-Link support

So if I'm understanding this right; if one purchases an HD disk player down the road with 7.1 analog outputs, the proper on board bass management and HD audio decoding life should be essentially "honkey dorey" with this reciever.
Also it sounds like that even if Onkyo included a I-Link connector on their upcoming player this receiver couldn't take a 7.1 HD-Audio bit stream through it's existing connector, yes?
Any idea if some sort of Audessey style processing could be incorporated into the existing hardware?

Thanks......Carlo.

I have to admit this. I was experimenting lastnite when I discovered I could send 1080p from my XA2 thru my TX1000's HDMI input. I have to admit I never knew the TX1000 could do 1080p! I will definitely send the xbox 360 ELITE's HDMI thru it now at 1080p... :)
Joe,
forgive my obviously stupid question but how could you verify that the receiver was passing through full 1080p?
If you're right then that is great for convenience sake at the very least!

Thanks......Carlo.

So if I'm understanding this right; if one purchases an HD disk player down the road with 7.1 analog outputs, the proper on board bass management and HD audio decoding life should be essentially "honkey dorey" with this reciever.
Also it sounds like that even if Onkyo included a I-Link connector on their upcoming player this receiver couldn't take a 7.1 HD-Audio bit stream through it's existing connector, yes?
Any idea if some sort of Audessey style processing could be incorporated into the existing hardware?

Thanks......Carlo.

Carlo,

Yes, since we have the card with dual 7.1 analog inputs available, one should be set for the foreseeable future with audio formats, lossless and otherwise, if your HD player decodes internally; which I'm sure will always be available in at least some models down the road.

It's my understanding that iLink is going bye-bye...HDMI has become the industry connection of choice, sad to say.

I had heard that Onkyo had investigated the possibility of an Audyssey card with the Audyssey engineers and it doesn't look possible. You get more accurate results doing it the old-fashioned way, anyway. Certainly a higher-end installation should do it manually. There are standalone Audyssey components available today to perform those functions if you wish.

I heard very recently that Onkyo had wanted to do an HDMI 1.3 card with lossless decoding on the card, but apparently it's not technically possible to do. I said that I don't really care about the lossless decoding onboard, just give us the audio transport capability over HDMI, hopefully with more ports.

Eric

Goobermonkey, I was able to verify it was passing thru 1080p because the HDMI OUTPUT was going to my crystalio II. Then my crystalio II was reporting the INPUT as 1080p... YES!!!

Right with you egcarter... I would just be happy doing audio over HDMI.... ;)

Goobermonkey, I was able to verify it was passing thru 1080p because the HDMI OUTPUT was going to my crystalio II. Then my crystalio II was reporting the INPUT as 1080p... YES!!!
Joe, you rock!
Thanks much for the reply.

Best......Carlo.

I was excited to see the TX1000 accept 1080p from my XA2. That makes it a whole new ballgame! :)

Carlo,

Yes, since we have the card with dual 7.1 analog inputs available, one should be set for the foreseeable future with audio formats, lossless and otherwise, if your HD player decodes internally; which I'm sure will always be available in at least some models down the road.

It's my understanding that iLink is going bye-bye...HDMI has become the industry connection of choice, sad to say.

I had heard that Onkyo had investigated the possibility of an Audyssey card with the Audyssey engineers and it doesn't look possible. You get more accurate results doing it the old-fashioned way, anyway. Certainly a higher-end installation should do it manually. There are standalone Audyssey components available today to perform those functions if you wish.

I heard very recently that Onkyo had wanted to do an HDMI 1.3 card with lossless decoding on the card, but apparently it's not technically possible to do. I said that I don't really care about the lossless decoding onboard, just give us the audio transport capability over HDMI, hopefully with more ports.

Eric
Eric , you also rock! On a grand scale!!
Thanks much for your informative reply. I just hope that because the on board decoding of these future lossless codecs is so critical to have within the transport that the bass management and speaker distance settings will get as comprehensive on the players as they seem to be getting on the receivers.

All the best........Carlo.

... I heard very recently that Onkyo had wanted to do an HDMI 1.3 card with lossless decoding on the card, but apparently it's not technically possible to do. I said that I don't really care about the lossless decoding onboard, just give us the audio transport capability over HDMI, hopefully with more ports.

Eric


Is it possible for the new HDMI card to pass the lossless audio to the NR1000's DACs for decoding?

guess now that 1.3 was not possible they should have given us 1.1 or 1.2.

Is it possible for the new HDMI card to pass the lossless audio to the NR1000's DACs for decoding?

It does not look like the current HDMI slot connector can transfer the audio to the DACs above SPDIF quality. The two slots that could manage at 24/96 multichannel are the 7.1 Analogue card slot and the I-Link slot.

The I-Link slot could maybe be used for 7.1 24/96 (The three I2S lines would probably have enough bandwidth for that but I wonder if the TI Firewire and Aureus chips can handle 4 24/96 channels on one I2S line, probably not).

The Multichannel slot should be able to manage 24/96 or even 24/192 7.1. In fact if Onkyo let us down then maybe a company like DVDUpgrades.ch could modify a 7.1 input card for two sets of 4 Coax inputs. They already modify players to allow trouble free 5.1 24/192 digital handling:
http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/product/Modification/SPDIF/Output/Six_channel_S_P_DIF_output_board/24308.html

Oh well, so much for the Nostradamus predictions.....

It does not look like the current HDMI slot connector can transfer the audio to the DACs above SPDIF quality. The two slots that could manage at 24/96 multichannel are the 7.1 Analogue card slot and the I-Link slot.

The I-Link slot could maybe be used for 7.1 24/96 (The three I2S lines would probably have enough bandwidth for that but I wonder if the TI Firewire and Aureus chips can handle 4 24/96 channels on one I2S line, probably not).

The Multichannel slot should be able to manage 24/96 or even 24/192 7.1. In fact if Onkyo let us down then maybe a company like DVDUpgrades.ch could modify a 7.1 input card for two sets of 4 Coax inputs. They already modify players to allow trouble free 5.1 24/192 digital handling:
http://www.dvdupgrades.ch/product/Modification/SPDIF/Output/Six_channel_S_P_DIF_output_board/24308.html


I forgot that you had mentioned that in a previous post :o I have sit down, and take a good look at that PDF... :)

guess now that 1.3 was not possible they should have given us 1.1 or 1.2.

They already developed a 1.2a rev card last year. Maybe we'll be offered that one...

I would still like the 1.2a card. I hope they offer that one at least. Then I won't feel so abandoned. :)

Maybe we can get the same card the 604 has...

I would still like the 1.2a card. I hope they offer that one at least. Then I won't feel so abandoned. :)
i would be more than happy to get that card since all the current hd players do
the decoding internally 1.3 would not be an issue and the 7.1 analog input card
would be a good answer if all the players would support a 7.1 output in lossless.

We should all take turns calling Onkyo asking them for it... ;)

So... Does this mean that an upgrade to our love/hate relationship with the TX-NR1000????

http://www.engadgethd.com/2007/04/24/onkyos-new-receivers-feature-both-xm-and-sirius-satellite-radio/

... Or is it just our final message from Onkyo that gives us TX-NR1000 owners the "thanks for buying into this premise that will never be fulfilled..."

:eek:

As long as we get a better HDMI card I will be happy...

It does not look like the current HDMI slot connector can transfer the audio to the DACs above SPDIF quality. The two slots that could manage at 24/96 multichannel are the 7.1 Analogue card slot and the I-Link slot.


That is strange design Krobar ;considering hdmi ver1.0 can handle 24/192 pcm . :confused: Would a new 1.2/3 card fix the slot connector issue?

24/192 Stereo I think you mean, a single SPDIF line could handle this but cannot manage Multichannel.

24/192 Stereo I think you mean, a single SPDIF line could handle this but cannot manage Multichannel.
Yes Krobar ;not the best example ;I should have said ver1.0 can handle multichannel 24/96 :o .Would a new 1.2 card be able to upgrade this slot connector issue to send the lpcm to the dac's? The new 905 is starting to look good :)

The 905 looks great! It is very tempting everytime I see specs on it... I love everything else the TX1000 does just not the HDMI portion...

they passed us up twice on the card upgrade i think there is going to be a new flagship
there has to be a realestate problem with 1.3 also notice those nostradamus adds have
kinda just faded away.

Seeing as how Nostradamus now looks to have been forced into retirement...
Maybe they should drag out Ms Cleo for their new ads, she probably still needs a job now...... ;)

they passed us up twice on the card upgrade i think there is going to be a new flagship
there has to be a realestate problem with 1.3 also notice those nostradamus adds have
kinda just faded away.

I hope that doesn't happen :(.

If we get a new HDMI card that supports lossless 7 channel audio, via PCM, I'll be very happy. From what I understand, there is no disadvantage if we get this type of card.

You would think they would atleast give us one lousy HDMI card...

At this point I'd sooner expect a kick in the head!

i would not be surprised if they introduce a new flagship at cedia along with an hd-dvd player.

Does anyone think Onkyo can successfully be sued for false advertisement and fraud if they fail to provide an upgrade path that will replicate the offerings of their newly announced products.

Does anyone think Onkyo can successfully be sued for false advertisement and fraud if they fail to provide an upgrade path that will replicate the offerings of their newly announced products.

No point in turning bitter just yet. As a last resort a homebrew 7.1 SPDIF input mod could probably be done to the 7.1 input card. Cost to mod Onkyo and a player would probably be about the same cost as a new HDMI card and that would allow 7.1 PCM but nothing else, Ie. Player must do all the decoding.

Onkyo has been through it before, this would be the 2nd time they have failed to live up to such upgrade/update promises that they had in ads for a few of their upper end past products. So they should know better by now, and not even make such advertising claims anymore.

If they don't then I guess it will be a lesson learned for me. Not to believe everything you read in an advertisement. If I end up selling my unit I think I would have to get another brand otherwise how will they learn?

look at the bright side if you want to call it that they will have to build one mean flagship
this time around to get previous owners to even take note but all disgust aside these rec
did sound great and did everything that was delivered at the time.

You have a point. But shouldn't they have know to plan on making the receiver compatible with newer HDMI specs?

Oztech, you are exactly right that this receiver has delivered on the specifications it began with. For all intents and purposes, this receiver does what it said it should do right out of the box, and I don't think you will get any arguments on that point. But on the other hand, Onkyo decided to advertise this unit a second way as well, which is a "future proof" receiver. The ads centered around this machine being upgradeable.

Onkyo may yet release an upgrade card, but if they do not, they failed to meet the standards set by themselves. We as purchasers of this equipment would then have every right to be upset that they did not deliver on one of their top, if not the top selling point of this receiver.

I am still optomistic that Onkyo will deliver an HDMI upgrade card. If it can't have all the latest features, it hope it at least gives us more than two (2) inputs as I am already maxed out currently.

I will be extremely disappointed and will never again decide on an onkyo over another receiver if the only difference is "upgradeability."

Well said... ;)

They played games w/ the 989 and eventually left people hanging by not allowing a IEE1394 upgrade as promised in the original manual.

They have made an HD Radio XM card upgrade. They have updated firmware, but for a bloody $5K MSRP receiver, they sure have not done anything about the HDMI and lack of Auto-EQ. The 705 looks like it may be a better receiver in many ways.

If they think they can just let this linger w/ no answer, well I guarantee I will be one of many who will start a rallying call for some sort of lawsuit.
For the price of this receiver, I could have just kept upgrading from one 90X series to another year after year.

I am just waiting for all the problems people are going to have with their new recievers and HDMI which may not be properly implemented.

They played games w/ the 989 and eventually left people hanging by not allowing a IEE1394 upgrade as promised in the original manual.

They have made an HD Radio XM card upgrade. They have updated firmware, but for a bloody $5K MSRP receiver, they sure have not done anything about the HDMI and lack of Auto-EQ. The 705 looks like it may be a better receiver in many ways.

If they think they can just let this linger w/ no answer, well I guarantee I will be one of many who will start a rallying call for some sort of lawsuit.
For the price of this receiver, I could have just kept upgrading from one 90X series to another year after year.

I am just waiting for all the problems people are going to have with their new recievers and HDMI which may not be properly implemented.

They investigated an auto EQ card solution with Audyssey...can't be done.

Auto EQ seems to be kind of a nice feature, but one that's should only be used once, no? And it is something that can be accomplished without an onboard facililty.

E

They investigated an auto EQ card solution with Audyssey...can't be done.

Auto EQ seems to be kind of a nice feature, but one that's should only be used once, no? And it is something that can be accomplished without an onboard facililty.

E

Eric,

Potential change is speakers, location, furniture, screens, etc. would make the feature desirable in more than one instance. While there are other non-onboard alternatives, the concept of doing this in the digital realm without further conversion is attractive. I think it would be a nice complement to room treatments.

Regards,
Will

I guarantee I will be one of many who will start a rallying call for some sort of lawsuit.

As some of you may know, a few years ago, under pressure from unhappy Integra Research RDC-7 owners - a lawsuit was proposed/discussed here and on other forums - Onkyo eventually offered a trade-in program towards the new RDC-7.1. The RDC-7 plus $2000 would get you a brand new RDC-7.1. If you are vocal enough and have the energy and motivation to pursue this you might get a similar trade-in offer once the new Onkyo/Integra/Integra Research flagships are out.

R

NetTunes Centeral Ver 2.0 & Windows Vista
Seem to be working just great even though the program is only XP certified.
Installed, started and built the database without a single problem. :)

Dell XPS 410 320GB HDD 2GB RAM Pretty standard Build........

I would entertain a trade in. Why not... :)

I would entertain a trade in. Why not... :)

Of course you would but you and other owners who want the trade in will have to unite and fight hard for it just like I and other RDC-7 owners did a few years ago.

R

I completely agree with Razvanel, but its sad that it may come to this. Had they just released the hdmi 1.2 card that they supposedly had developed, none of this talk would even be going on. They spent all that money on designing that card only to put it on hold because they wanted to wait for the hdmi 1.3. The longer they wait, the tougher it will become to integrate these newer technologies into the aging onkyo NR1000.

Here's to some more faith in Onkyo that in the end, they make this right without forcing their customers to take action. And if Onkyo does not make the first offer, you can count me in on whatever "customer rally" that takes place.

I assume from the above that no one is interested in 7.1 spdifs to allow 7.1 24/192?

BTW: Buying a new Onkyo is not the answer, best thing to do is make your annoyances well known to future perspective buyers and buy another brand.

I assume from the above that no one is interested in 7.1 spdifs to allow 7.1 24/192?

BTW: Buying a new Onkyo is not the answer, best thing to do is make your annoyances well known to future perspective buyers and buy another brand.

I am personally interested in a new HDMI card as I am a fan of factory certified upgrades (I'm too chicken for after-market products).

Since it seems that the HDMI slot doesn't have the bandwidth to handle lossless natively, I would settle for all seven channels in PCM (via HDMI). I also expect more inputs on the new card.

I totally agree that if they don't deliver a new HDMI card, and if I am not offered an upgrade option to the new flagship, (new, not refurbished), then I will not buy Onkyo again. I don't feel that paying for an upgrade to a new flagship is is wrong because I am going to buy an upgrade to a new HDMI card - I consider it a wash. If I am not offered any of the options I mentioned, I will write letters to all consumer agencies, and my state's attorney general. Additionally, I will make sure that anyone who wants to listen, will know my opinion of Onkyo's customer support.

With that said, I am still "keeping the faith", and will wait until an official announcement is made before I start the process of being a disappointed, angry client. I guarantee that if I get screwed, Onkyo will never get another dime from me. That's the only way they to really get back at them.

EDIT: I think it's a good idea to hold onto the "Nostradamus" advertisements.

Here's the deal. If they announce a NEW flagship before a NEW HDMI card for us then we will unite and go for it. If they announce a new HDMI card first then we relax and get the NEW HDMI cards with no worries. Sound good? :)

My Personal Thoughts are this:

A) If Onkyo announce a new HDMI card before or during CEDIA then fine, I will buy
B) If no HDMI card announced by CEDIA then I will start looking into a 7.1 SPDIF Mod or a HD Combo player with I-Link.

Well, I had an interesting conversation with Onkyo just a few minutes ago. I acted like a newbie with their product support and asked them which unit is considered their FLAGSHIP. His answer was the 805! :eek: I said what about the 905? His answer was it's not out yet. Then I said but on your website I see there is a TX1000. He then says, "You are right, that is the true flagship." I then asked about it being upgraded. His response was oh yeah, you can do HDMI cards. But they are only 1.0. I asked if they would ever do a newer HDMI spec card and his response was "NO COMMENT!" So as of now there is nothing going on at Onkyo. If you ask me there will not be a new HDMI card offered. I would bet the farm on it. Especially when you have "product" managers claiming the flagship is the 805! :eek: He even suggested avoidung the TX1000 because the HDMI cards are much better on the 605 and 805 since they are 1.3 and do audio. I am planning to sell my unit over the summer and look into the new Pioneer 94 ELITE. I would have liked to have gotten a newer Onkyo but I am not supporting companies who DO NOT SUPPORT us! :mad:

Well, I had an interesting conversation with Onkyo just a few minutes ago. I acted like a newbie with their product support and asked them which unit is considered their FLAGSHIP. His answer was the 805! :eek: I said what about the 905? His answer was it's not out yet. Then I said but on your website I see there is a TX1000. He then says, "You are right, that is the true flagship." I then asked about it being upgraded. His response was oh yeah, you can do HDMI cards. But they are only 1.0. I asked if they would ever do a newer HDMI spec card and his response was "NO COMMENT!" So as of now there is nothing going on at Onkyo. If you ask me there will not be a new HDMI card offered. I would bet the farm on it. Especially when you have "product" managers claiming the flagship is the 805! :eek: He even suggested avoidung the TX1000 because the HDMI cards are much better on the 605 and 805 since they are 1.3 and do audio. I am planning to sell my unit over the summer and look into the new Pioneer 94 ELITE. I would have liked to have gotten a newer Onkyo but I am not supporting companies who DO NOT SUPPORT us! :mad:

That's not very good news. It really bothers me to see new models selling at 1/4 the price, or less, and have more features than my upgradeable flagship. I normally accept planned obsolescence, but in this case I specifically bought the NR-1000 to avoid it.

Well, I had an interesting conversation with Onkyo just a few minutes ago. I acted like a newbie with their product support and asked them which unit is considered their FLAGSHIP. His answer was the 805! :eek: I said what about the 905? His answer was it's not out yet. Then I said but on your website I see there is a TX1000. He then says, "You are right, that is the true flagship." I then asked about it being upgraded. His response was oh yeah, you can do HDMI cards. But they are only 1.0. I asked if they would ever do a newer HDMI spec card and his response was "NO COMMENT!" So as of now there is nothing going on at Onkyo. If you ask me there will not be a new HDMI card offered. I would bet the farm on it. Especially when you have "product" managers claiming the flagship is the 805! :eek: He even suggested avoidung the TX1000 because the HDMI cards are much better on the 605 and 805 since they are 1.3 and do audio. I am planning to sell my unit over the summer and look into the new Pioneer 94 ELITE. I would have liked to have gotten a newer Onkyo but I am not supporting companies who DO NOT SUPPORT us! :mad:
Ahhhhh, sounds like the proverbial kick in the head that I spoke of! This, I think, has become a truly pathetic situation. Onkyo will receive not a single red penny from me from now on!

Carlo.

You know after thinking more and more about this it is clear to me now. It does not make sense anymore to spend this much on a "flagship" receiver. Carlo is right. The receivers coming now are a quarter of the price with more features! I don't care about better chips or more expensive build quality. The trade off this time has got us nowhere. I plan to sell my receiver ASAP and then get on of the lower budget receivers to tide me over to August or September. Then I will spend 1500 or so on a receiver with more features and more options. And more importantly one that is more user-friendly with HD DVD and Blu ray players. Actually the lower priced unit I will get here soon for 400-500 will be more feature friendly than the 1000. And before I have someone post back saying that is technology I will say you are right. It is. But I think then Nostradamus would have waited 2 years instead of spend this much money on the 1000. Especially since they have no plans to upgrade it to make it HD DVD and Blu ray friendly. I am not bitter by all means. I just get it now. I won't ever be fooled again by promises of upgradibility or the premium price of a 4000 and over receiver... :)

Just listed it in the items for sale under the audio section here at AVS... PM me if you are interested... :)

Hey Joe.
Keep us up to date if you do sell your 1000 and you when you get a new receiver. I'm curious to hear about your observations and comparisons.
It's looking to me that our current receiver was probably originally intended for the custom install crowd under the Integra banner and to be user configurable with the desired cards that a client wanted and thats that. Onkyo probably took the thing, loaded up all the slots, re badged it and came up with the "upgradeable" angle to differentiate it from competing stuff in the market place. In a nutshell, Onkyo took the "configurable" concept that Integra advertises and changed it to The "upgradeable" concept to con us into buying a fully loaded unit. I'm sure their idea of upgradeable didn't extend any farther than the satellite radio cards that became available shortly after the receiver was launched.
I think I'll still keep mine for the time being. It does what I need it to do very well. But like I said, not a penny more of my hard earned money goes to Onkyo ever again unless they do something to make good on their marketing of the 1000. But honestly ; the glass is half empty on this one.

Carlo.

No problem. I will keep you posted. I already have 2 interested parties. If I do not move it here I will list it on ebay... Hopefully I won't have to. :)

i am going to keep mine and i will not say i would not buy another but the next one will
have to be a lot better the ones they are offering now have only the hdmi switching that
i am interested in and thats not enough to get me to change and yes i am disappointed
in them but this thing does ever other thing very well.

The lesson here is that there is no such thing as an Onkyo Flagship.
I really hope they get inundated w/ HDMI issues and garbage humming amp issues on their new line of receivers.

Is it time for multiple complaints to the BBB to get their attention?

No flagships is definitely right. I think other companies are trying to just make mid-level these days to. I bet that will be the norm the next few years..

I own a TX-DS989 with the Version 2 upgrade. This was upgradeable for a time and I did both upgrades on it. I can't wait for the TX-NR905 to come out. It seems to be a solid receiver. I just won't buy into the "infinitely upgradeable" mentality. Heck, I don't even think that one is "upgradeable."

I don't think anybody here will every fall for an "upgrading" receiver again...

I have mixed feelings on all this, an HDMI card is not essential to me if an ILink equipped HD combo player is ever released, in fact this would be prefferable since I would not need to install or upgrade anything in my Integra. Chris at Pioneer mentioned no more ILink devices from them this year but they have not ruled out one next year (It seems Pioneer have seen more demand for ILink at the moment than they expected).

Onkyo's HD DVD player could be the only hope iLINK people have. :eek:

Onkyo's HD DVD player could be the only hope iLINK people have. :eek:

An very high end release from Denon may also offer I-Link. Marantz?

Good point. They might as well...

I have mixed feelings on all this, an HDMI card is not essential to me if an ILink equipped HD combo player is ever released, in fact this would be prefferable since I would not need to install or upgrade anything in my Integra. Chris at Pioneer mentioned no more ILink devices from them this year but they have not ruled out one next year (It seems Pioneer have seen more demand for ILink at the moment than they expected).
When you mentioned Pioneer Krobar ;It brought to mind the LX 90 amp that avland uk have listed for next year - it has i-link :) so may have a companion player?

I looked at that to. I just don't think I want to spend that much on higher end receivers anymore...

When you mentioned Pioneer Krobar ;It brought to mind the LX 90 amp that avland uk have listed for next year - it has i-link :) so may have a companion player?

A BDP-LX90 :)

A BDP-LX90 :)
Yes thats the one :) I find it strange that the euro equivalents of the new vsx 60/70/90 also have i-link; not as dead as purported if you can believe the front display logo's :cool:

I loved the SP1000 iLINK with the TX1000s...

I own a TX-DS989 with the Version 2 upgrade. This was upgradeable for a time and I did both upgrades on it. I can't wait for the TX-NR905 to come out. It seems to be a solid receiver. I just won't buy into the "infinitely upgradeable" mentality. Heck, I don't even think that one is "upgradeable."

-The 989 Upgrade 1 to DPLII was $50 - Cool by me.
-The Onkyo THX Upgrade was $500 - Bloody hell.
-The Onkyo Upgrade to IEEE1394 as promised in the manual never happened !?!
The 989 had fan problems that needed to be warranty repaired. Besides that it was a good unit that stood the test of time better than the 1000 will unless there are some changes made.
The 1000 is a great great sounding unit, but I want those features that it's $300 and $500 units have, since this is a $5000 unit.

The flagship buying public is not that large and Onkyo has just shot themselves in the foot over this. They have a history of lying.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." It pisses me off that they mislead and made me feel like a fool again. There promises versus their delivery on this receiver is fraud IMO.

If Nostradamus was alive he would SUE them! ;)

If Nostradamus was alive he would SUE them! ;)

You can sue them yourself.

R

Attention ladies and gentlemen!




Nostradamus has left the building.............. ;)

For some reason I doubt Nostradamus would have purchased a TX1000. He would have saw in the future they weren't planning to manufacture any new HDMI cards. Supposably they made a 1.2 HDMI card? B.S.!

-The 989 Upgrade 1 to DPLII was $50 - Cool by me.
-The Onkyo THX Upgrade was $500 - Bloody hell.
-The Onkyo Upgrade to IEEE1394 as promised in the manual never happened !?!
The 989 had fan problems that needed to be warranty repaired. Besides that it was a good unit that stood the test of time better than the 1000 will unless there are some changes made.
The 1000 is a great great sounding unit, but I want those features that it's $300 and $500 units have, since this is a $5000 unit.

The flagship buying public is not that large and Onkyo has just shot themselves in the foot over this. They have a history of lying.

"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." It pisses me off that they mislead and made me feel like a fool again. There promises versus their delivery on this receiver is fraud IMO.

I paid $50.00 for Upgrade 1, but I only paid $250.00 for Upgrade 2. They had a special going on when I got Upgrade 2. They gave me a $50.00 discount because I had done Upgrade 1 and they gave me an additional $200.00 discount because they had a promotion going on during that time.

And the sad truth is many of us would gladly spend 300-500 for a HDMI upgraded card! :eek:

I know I would pay for it! I just really need it to have more than 2 inputs as i am currently maxxed out and will more than likely be adding more devices within the next 6 months.

I think the TX1000 and the promise of upgradeability is an example of a company putting the cart in front of the horse.

They just gave us the cart and said to heck with the horse.

Carlo.

That says it even better. :)

A Blu player with ILink?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=848146

At least someone is not quitting on iLINK. :)

At least someone is not quitting on iLINK. :)

If the Pioneer turns out to be a real product.

I STILL WANT AN HDMI UPGRADE CARD FOR MY TX-NR1000. DO YOU HEAR ME ONKYO?

I'm yelling at Onkyo, not you Joe :)

I am right with you! Where is that phantom 1.2 HDMI card they had made? ;)

Onkyo's working on the let's never talk about the Onkyo TXNR1000 again card.

Let's spell this out in case anyone is confused:
Onkyo sells a $5K flagship receiver as customizable and upgradeable AKA "FutureProof." They come out w/ an HD Radio/XM card in 2 years time.

That's it. I feel like I just got left w/ my %$#! in my hands.

Maybe there should be a link to this thread in the let's all go buy Onkyo's new HDMI receivers. They should understand how this company treats or forgets their customers.

Considering Pioneer has also dropped i-Link from all the new AVR's that they have announced so far for the US market. I find it rather strange that they come out with a new blu-ray player that has i-Link. So far, some of the new higher end Pioneer stuff has only been announced in markets other than the US. So I would not necessarily count on all of it also coming to the US right away.

Those Pioneers are not predicted for release until Q1 08. I am guessing Pioneer will offer ILink only on their flagship products because you expect convenience with you old equipment when spending so much money. Reminds of the situation with AC3-RF, this was eventually phased out but was available only on flagship products for a long time.

All that blabber out here.

I think Onkyo will absolutly come with an upgrade. They will release it when hdmi 1.3 is settled down and tested/accepted. I prefer to have a good upgrade with 1.3 instead of a hasty hdmi 1.2 upgrade. So in about 1/2 - 1 year they might release it.

SO you don't mind watching all of their new receivers come out with HDMI 1.3? I think the total is 4 over the summer without a single word of any HDMI cards for the TX1000. And if you call C.S. their response is NO COMMENT. And you call this "blabber" posting? :rolleyes:

To be honest if properly implemented Ilink HD players are released then a 1.3 module is almost insignificant. The Onyko already passes 1080P so the video side is OK and I-Link could handle all HD formats converted to 5.1 24/192 PCM, the only thing you end up missing is 6/7.1 support.

As for more ports well this seems unlikely since there is not enough space. I would recommend an HDMI switcher with RS232 support and one of those little rs232 automation boxes, you can have as many auto switched HDMI ports as you like that way.

All that blabber out here.

I think Onkyo will absolutly come with an upgrade. They will release it when hdmi 1.3 is settled down and tested/accepted. I prefer to have a good upgrade with 1.3 instead of a hasty hdmi 1.2 upgrade. So in about 1/2 - 1 year they might release it.

Do you own an NR-1000 as well as the 989 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10496288&&#post10496288) ?

He doesn't have a clue about the TX1000. Good find by the way (DCIFRTHS)! If he spent what we did then he would be a little upset as well. He probably doesn't even know how much a TX1000 goes for. He also must not have opened up a magazine the last 2 years either because it is obvious he's never seen the Nostradamus ad... What an ___! :D

A Blu player with ILink?:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=848146
This is not a fake player Krobar.Ide put money on it.There is an interesting article at engadget hd about the bdp -lx70 which is about to be released down here -this is to be superseded by a bitstream player according to the article. hdmi1.3; one and the same player I reckon :)

Rang ambertech [our distributor] the other day about a new hdmi card and was told to wait for cedia [heard that one before ;) ]

Waiting another 1/2 year to a year is the same reason we have not seen HDMI 1.1, 1.2, and so far, 1.3. In another 1/2 year to a year, i am sure hdmi 1.4 buzz will be starting and by that time, i definitely don't expect to see an upgrade card as this machine will be so outdated and will be even more incapable of accepting the technology.

I expected this receiver to be able to keep up for about two to three years, and in that time, receive enough upgrades to make it compete with the current technology. So what we would have at the end of this time period is a machine that stacks up against the current offerings and could then start its decline towards obsolescence. We are basically at that point now, with no upgrades, a receiver that is virtually the same as it was when it debuted and now the big rumor is the architecture of the 1000 isn't good enough to keep up with the newer technologies.

For me, everything syncs up, except for the fact that we have not had a single "true" update. By that, I mean an upgrade card that enhances the CURRENT features (HDMI, dolby/dts support.) Currently all we have received is an upgrade card for satellite radio that adds the feature, not updates it. I honestly hope that no one buys the NR1000 solely because this machine now supports satellite radio internally.

Do you own an NR-1000 as well as the 989 (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10496288&&#post10496288) ?
He doesn't have a clue about the TX1000. Good find by the way (DCIFRTHS)! If he spent what we did then he would be a little upset as well. He probably doesn't even know how much a TX1000 goes for. He also must not have opened up a magazine the last 2 years either because it is obvious he's never seen the Nostradamus ad... What an ___!


Ha ha, here in Holland the TX-NR5000 is sold, not the 1000. I'm not trying to upset you guys, but I want you to be a bit more patience... better to have a thoroughly upgraded unit than a half one. Why can't you appreciate my little joke about "blabbering" :p

It's sad that the spec-list of the 905 or even the 805 will outclass the flagship Onkyo, not only by features, but maybe by soundquality as well. I'm looking forward to the reviews which will arrive soon. Having said that, I'm going to combine a new Onkyo with an external power-amplifier. So I have best of both world. More than enough (video) features and a lot of amplifier power.


Met vriendelijke groeten, Boekhour

Onkyo TX-NR5000E soll ein Auslaufer sein?

This was in the news section today of the well informed German site that broke the news of the new Onkyo receiver range early. AFAIK it is saying the 5000 is to be discontinued, Onkyo cant be bothered to upgrade a product they consider current so I would assume the chances of them offering an upgrade for a discontinued product are zero.

Onkyo TX-NR5000E soll ein Auslaufer sein?

This was in the news section today of the well informed German site that broke the news of the new Onkyo receiver range early. AFAIK it is saying the 5000 is to be discontinued, Onkyo cant be bothered to upgrade a product they consider current so I would assume the chances of them offering an upgrade for a discontinued product are zero.


They have already been phased out and are no longer available. However, don't been so hasty concerning possible upgrade solutions/programs.

There really isn't an upgrade product available as yet. The 905 is NOT the successor to the 1000/5000.

And the not to belittle it at all, but the 905 does not have the build quality, connectivity (not including HDMI, of course!) and performance gravitas that the 1000/5000/10.5 do.

E

We didn't mean to jump on you. The NONupgadeable TX1000 is a very sensitive subject to many of us here. Especially since we were led to believe (even told in ads) that we would have NEW cards! :)

We didn't mean to jump on you. The NONupgadeable TX1000 is a very sensitive subject to many of us here. Especially since we were led to believe (even told in ads) that we would have NEW cards! :)

I agree with you Joe. But...

I thought his comment was out of place in this thread, and I don't feel that I jumped on him. I asked if he owned the unit because until you have walked a mile in another person's shoes... well, you get the point.

Just to be clear, I'm quite annoyed at Onkyo, not any forum members :)

They have already been phased out and are no longer available. However, don't been so hasty concerning possible upgrade solutions/programs.

There really isn't an upgrade product available as yet. The 905 is NOT the successor to the 1000/5000.

And the not to belittle it at all, but the 905 does not have the build quality, connectivity (not including HDMI, of course!) and performance gravitas that the 1000/5000/10.5 do.

E

I'm slightly confused :confused:

What has already been phased out? The NR-1000?

Build Quality will be superior on the TX1000 for some time to come. I plan to do a comparison with the 805 (coming soon) and then in August with the 905. I am willing to bet the sound Q may still be better on the 1000 but I really want to have the new audio codecs and HDMI 1.3... It truly is not Onkyo's fault that they could not keep up with the newer HDMI specs. I just wish they would offer us an upgrade program where we could send our units in and they add newer HDMI cards and sound codecs. Even if it costs a good amount many of us would gladly send in our units...

I agree with you Joe. But...
I asked if he owned the unit because until you have walked a mile in another person's shoes... well, you get the point.


I own a same kind of unit, the 989 where Onkyo also didn't keep up to the promises they made (firewire-update). At least the 989 was giving 2 reasonable upgrades. I know the feeling and when they do not keep the promise with the 1000/5000 it's even a bigger shame (was there only a radio-update?). So in kind of way I walked in your shoes. But with the computer-approach in mind I cannot image that they will NOT release other cards.

As I said before, I'm switching to another concept in the future: I will have a good external amplifier and switch every 3 years from reciever. Then you are up to date, you can keep your external amplifier and it's more wallet-friendly in the long end.

Build Quality will be superior on the TX1000 for some time to come. I plan to do a comparison with the 805 (coming soon) and then in August with the 905. I am willing to bet the sound Q may still be better on the 1000 but I really want to have the new audio codecs and HDMI 1.3...
Hi joe; I was wondering about the sound quality of the new amps versus the 1000 too and one thing stood out. Only the 905 has a toroidal transformer to compare with the 1000. Toroidal transformers are more power efficient than other types and give out lower levels of emi [electro magnetic interference].I couldnt imagine the sound quality being worse either :)

I will be reporting as I go. No worries... :)

I own a same kind of unit, the 989 where Onkyo also didn't keep up to the promises they made (firewire-update). At least the 989 was giving 2 reasonable upgrades. I know the feeling and when they do not keep the promise with the 1000/5000 it's even a bigger shame (was there only a radio-update?). So in kind of way I walked in your shoes. But with the computer-approach in mind I cannot image that they will NOT release other cards.

As I said before, I'm switching to another concept in the future: I will have a good external amplifier and switch every 3 years from reciever. Then you are up to date, you can keep your external amplifier and it's more wallet-friendly in the long end.

I have a B&K REF 200.7, and the reason I bought the NR-1000 was to use as a pre-amp - the same thing that you are going to do. I bought the Onkyo because it had all the high-end features I wanted, and it was supposed to be upgradeable.

I understand that there are some things that just can't be done, and I never expected the Onkyo to be able to make this receiver state-of-the-art every time something new came out, but upgrading the HDMI to newer specs is something that can be done, but wasn't. The initial HDMI 1.0 specification was released in December 2002. Version 1.1 was released in May 2004. Version 1.2 was released in August of 2005. Version 1.2a was released in December of 2005. Version 1.3 was released in June of 2006.

Onkyo's handling of this situation is a disgrace.

I have a B&K REF 200.7, and the reason I bought the NR-1000 was to use as a pre-amp - the same thing that you are going to do. I bought the Onkyo because it had all the high-end features I wanted, and it was supposed to be upgradeable.

I understand that there are some things that just can't be done, and I never expected the Onkyo to be able to make this receiver state-of-the-art every time something new came out, but upgrading the HDMI to newer specs is something that can be done, but wasn't. The initial HDMI 1.0 specification was released in December 2002. Version 1.1 was released in May 2004. Version 1.2 was released in August of 2005. Version 1.2a was released in December of 2005. Version 1.3 was released in June of 2006.

Onkyo's handling of this situation is a disgrace.

Why didnt you buy an RDC-7.1 preamp like I have?

And the worst part is when those C.S. reps tell you NO COMMENT when it comes to any info on upgrade cards! :mad:

While I'm on the subject of Integra Research, they need an upgrade or new model because the RDC-7.1 is simply outdated now, they dont offer anything else. Interestingly Audioholics updated their RDC-7.1 review a couple of months ago:
http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/processors/integra-research-rdc-7-1/rdc-1-recommendations-and-conclusion

After numerous attempts, I actually spoke to Paul Wasek, Marketing Manager for Onkyo USA. I asked him about our issues with the HDMI card upgrade. He, as expected, was very non-committal. He finally admitted the HDMI 1.3 had some issues, but said they (Onkyo) would have a press release soon - about the HDMI card and the new encoding formats for the NR-1000. He also said the press release would come in the next 8 weeks. He apologized that he could not give any additional information. So stay tuned!

Duane Rhynard

So there is hope after all? :eek:

So there is hope after all? :eek:
I sincerely hope you havent sold a certain amp yet Joe :D

Actually I haven't yet. I have had a couple good offers and now this? I am not waiting 8 weeks though. You would think they should know by now what they can and can't do... And if after 8 weeks they apologize and say it can't be done? Decisions... :confused:

HDMI Card upgrade. Maybe they have not committed to an HDMI Card yet because they need more time to evaluate where HDMI is going. If they came out with an HDMI card that didn't work with existing and future product everyone would hang Onkyo for coming out with an inferior product at a premium price.

Then again they could be lying through their teeth

I feel like I am damned if I do and damned if I don't!

i like the 905 but looking at the size weight and power difference i suspect a meaner
flagship will be available after cedia as far as the current flagship as suspected it can't
implement the current 1.3a into the card or motherboard or it would be available for a
premium since their in it to make money.

If I do move my TX1000 I will NOT spend that much on a high end receiver again. The 905 is the perfect range. Then in a couple of years you don't take as BIG a bath when you decide to change. If the TX1000 could be updated I would be more than happy to keep it... :)

Onkyo will announce that they don't believe the HDMI card is necessary to keep this flagship unit futureproof.

They will offer a $50 discount on your next shoponkyo purchase and will announce their brand new Ipod Dock card for the Onkyo TXNR1000 which will only be $300.

(This is all a joke, but it's tough staring at that receiver w/ a little bit of disgust everyday.)

This is probably the last time I put my AV "future" in Onkyo's hands.

That ould be a joke. HDMI is showing up on almost everything these days.Not to mention HDMI that accepts AUDIO...

Other than the lack of audio over HDMI, is there anything wrong with the amp? How does it compare to the Yamaha Z9 and the 5805 Denon?

It actually is a terrific receiver. It has plenty of bells and whistles. The main thing most of us are concerned about is the future audio codecs. If they could somehow tell us for sure we would get a HDMI upgrade I would celebrate!

Thanks for that. I did read something about a SACD noise over i-link on the Integra model. Is this an issue on the NR1000?

Thanks for that. I did read something about a SACD noise over i-link on the Integra model. Is this an issue on the NR1000?
i use the 10.5 avr and dvd using i-link and have never heard anything but the music
and these are the integra line of onkyo.

Why didnt you buy an RDC-7.1 preamp like I have?

At the time I purchased the unit, I had no dealers close to me. I should have made the effort as it would have been a better fit, and I already had the XLR cables. I upgraded to the Onkyo from a B&K REF 50 shortly after buying the REF 50. I still have the REF 50 if anyone is interested ;)

I don't now what the RDC 7.1 costs. Is it in the same ballpark as the NR-1000? You can respond here, PM me, or if you don't feel comfortable answering, I understand :)

That ould be a joke. HDMI is showing up on almost everything these days.Not to mention HDMI that accepts AUDIO...

This is really my only complaint, as I do consider audio over HDMI to be significant. It is worthy of an upgrade card... unfortunately Onkyo feels their owners aren't worthy.

We should do a poll asking owners only if they think Onkyo will ever offer a HDMI upgraded card... Just a thought...

After numerous attempts, I actually spoke to Paul Wasek, Marketing Manager for Onkyo USA. I asked him about our issues with the HDMI card upgrade. He, as expected, was very non-committal. He finally admitted the HDMI 1.3 had some issues, but said they (Onkyo) would have a press release soon - about the HDMI card and the new encoding formats for the NR-1000. He also said the press release would come in the next 8 weeks. He apologized that he could not give any additional information. So stay tuned!

Duane Rhynard

A chap I deal with at Onkyo just flat contradicted this, said nothing planned this year! (Usually he is quite accurate)

Also hinted that Onkyo would not produce any new I-Link source devices.

I am willing to bet that was just a post sent out hoping to calm the 1000 owners down a bit. We won't see anything (if we ever do) until 2008...

"They help fill the gap between the $1,099-suggested print point and a $5,000 modular A/V receiver, said Paul Wasek, national marketing manager for Onkyo USA’s Onkyo and Integra brands"

http://www.twice.com/article/CA6436066.html

This suggests he still considers the TX-NR1K the flagship. Maye the announcement in the next 8 weeks is a reassurance and few rough details just to keep people happy until a Q1 release?

Also, I wonder if we will get a Plays For Sure module to replace the Nettune one.

I am willing to bet that was just a post sent out hoping to calm the 1000 owners down a bit. We won't see anything (if we ever do) until 2008...

Joe,

Nope, I am just another frustrated NR-1000 owner, and I wanted to see what the truth might be about our HDMI card and decoding upgrades. I found Paul Wasek's direct line on an old press release, and after leaving several messages over the last several months, I called again and and he actually answered his phone. As I stated he was very non-commital but said that the information regarding these items would be addressed in the next 8 weeks. He was very aplogetic that he could not tell me more, but I did not get the feeling from him that it would be great news for us (My personal feeling only). His contact information is below.

Thanks - Duane Rhynard

Paul Wasek, Marketing Manager, Onkyo USA Corporation
Direct Line (201) 785-2610

Hey thanks for the tip then. :) Maybe we will get some good news afterall. I am still going to play with one of their newer units though. I will do a good A/B comparison... I also do like the specs on the 905. I would sacrifice some of the TX1000s great build quality for the newer features the 905 will have. As long as the sound is not that much lower in quality compared to it. I like the 4 HDMI ins and 2 outs! Anyway, I won't give up on our beloved TX1000 just yet! ;)

We should do a poll asking owners only if they think Onkyo will ever offer a HDMI upgraded card... Just a thought...

My vote is that there's a 5 percent chance for a new HDMI card.

I bet it just ends up being some kind of trade-in program that costs you more than selling the old unit on eBay and buying a new one.

--
Steve

Don't get me wrong, I still have my doubts about getting a new HDMI card. My vote or guess would be a NO which is why I am auditioning the newer models... Pioneers to though... :)

Don't get me wrong, I still have my doubts about getting a new HDMI card. My vote or guess would be a NO which is why I am auditioning the newer models... Pioneers to though... :)

Why don't u just buy an HDMI switch?

E

That's not the point. I have a crystalio II with 4 HDMI inputs. I want a receiver that has 1.3 HDMI, and does the latest audio codecs over HDMI... I never thought I was asking to much when I first saw the ad that shows upgradeable HDMI cards. I figured one day they can switch out the card and then I could do audio over HDMI. When they make receivers that sell for 499 (399) with HDMI that does audio one would think they could at least offer a HDMI upgrade to those with their 4999.00 receiver...

That's not the point. I have a crystalio II with 4 HDMI inputs. I want a receiver that has 1.3 HDMI, and does the latest audio codecs over HDMI... I never thought I was asking to much when I first saw the ad that shows upgradeable HDMI cards. I figured one day they can switch out the card and then I could do audio over HDMI. When they make receivers that sell for 499 (399) with HDMI that does audio one would think they could at least offer a HDMI upgrade to those with their 4999.00 receiver...

I think you're going to have to wait awhile for onboard AVR decoding of the new formats to do you any good. Why don't u just let the player decode? Do you really think there will be a significant difference? Use those twin 7.1 multichannel ins. You won't get that on these new AVRs.

We still need updates to players to make that work. And, even then, I'm not sure if it will work with all discs.

Chasing Rainbows...

E

... We still need updates to players to make that work. And, even then, I'm not sure if it will work with all discs. ...

Do you mean decoding the native HD audio in the receiver?

Chasing rainbows. You need to reread your post! I am also an Onkyo dealer here in the states. I just happen to personally own the TX1000 as do many of my clients. I am upset as they are for not getting the support that was advertised for this unit. We just want audio over HDMI. Is that really that hard? Also, using the analog ins just does not sound as good as using the HDMI for advanced audio codecs. You are obviously just sticking up for Onkyo. You can't fool us with other ideas or options that will excuse them from releasing a new HDMI card! I remember your B.S. posts about a 1.2 HDMI card. I was told over here there NEVER was such a card in the making! Having a receiver with 1.3 HDMI that will handle HD DVD and Blu ray 1080p as well as their new audio codecs is not chasing rainbows... The 605 and the 805 will be out shortly... Or have you forgotten? :rolleyes:

Hi Joe,

I think Eric's post is well informed, there is still doubt especially with HD DVD over which discs will manage native stream. The XA2 is supposedly unable to manage native stream until there is a future firmware update. I'm not sure what the state of play is with Blu players. IMHO the only real use of native stream over PCM will be seeing what the audio type is on the receiver display.

But if come this October (or fall sometime) the gen3 players hit they most likely will be ready to go. And guess what, we will not with our TX1000s... :mad: And how long have they had to come out with a new card or even announce one? I would have thought they would be releasing one with all these new receivers this summer... Eric's posts have been well informed from Onkyo's point of view... Don't make ads showing us Nostradamus if you aren't going to back it up!

Hi Joe,

I think Eric's post is well informed, there is still doubt especially with HD DVD over which discs will manage native stream. The XA2 is supposedly unable to manage native stream until there is a future firmware update. I'm not sure what the state of play is with Blu players. IMHO the only real use of native stream over PCM will be seeing what the audio type is on the receiver display.

So this answers my question a few posts above, correct?

Joe,

I want to point out that although Eric is a dealer, I feel he always gives straight-forward answers. I don't feel that he "sugar-coats" the information he passes along to us.

Additionally, I appreciate your unbiased feedback here as well.

Let's remember that we are all on the same side. I'd hate to see an argument grow out of our desires for new technology, with the result that you, Eric, Krobar (and others :)) stops posting. That would be bad.

With that said, my main gripe is that I can't do audio (DD or DTS) over HDMI. While I would love to do native HD audio through the NR-1000, I now realize it may be more than the architecture of the receiver can handle.

I also just want audio over HDMI. I don't mean to get upset and I do apologize if I was to rough on E. I just don't think Onkyo has any more excuses left for their repeated "no comment" stance when it comes to HDMI cards...

from a german site:
Onkyo TX-NR5000 Integra weiter in Produktion. Für Europa wird dieses Jahr kein neues Flaggschiff in der Integra-Klasse erwartet. Nachfolger frühestens Ende 2008.
Upgrade-Möglichkeiten (HDMI, Codec etc.) in Planung, absehbare Verfügbarkeit nach Einführung der neuen "Line-Up 2007" Receiver.

Translated: before end 2008 there will be no new battleship in Europe. And after the introduction from the 905 805 etc there will be an HDMI-upgrade for the tx-nr5000.

Translated: before end 2008 there will be no new battleship in Europe.
This just struck me as funny:

Battleship = Schlachtschiff (as in Bismarck) or Linienschiff. Flaggschiff = simply flagship.

FWIW, there will probably never be a new battleship in Europe or anywhere else. :)

So they are saying there will be a new HDMI card before the end of 2008?

So they are saying there will be a new HDMI card before the end of 2008?
Not before the end of 2008 => 2009?

That's what worries me...

Not before the end of 2008 => 2009?
Can you read my translation from german to english? Es ist im planung after the release of the new recievers, they are introduced before sept 2007 so I think it will be end 2007.

Met vriendelijk groeten,
Boekhour

from a german site:
Onkyo TX-NR5000 Integra weiter in Produktion. Für Europa wird dieses Jahr kein neues Flaggschiff in der Integra-Klasse erwartet. Nachfolger frühestens Ende 2008.
Upgrade-Möglichkeiten (HDMI, Codec etc.) in Planung, absehbare Verfügbarkeit nach Einführung der neuen "Line-Up 2007" Receiver.

Translated: before end 2008 there will be no new battleship in Europe. And after the introduction from the 905 805 etc there will be an HDMI-upgrade for the tx-nr5000.

Going back to my award-winning High School German, that says that the TX-NR5000 (and this also goes for the TX-NR1000, DTR-10.5 and RDC-7.1) is no longer in production. For Europe, there will be no new "flagship" in the Integra line until the end of 2008. They are planning HDMI and codec upgrades after the time of the new 2007 lineup receivers' introductions.

So that means around CEDIA time, I guess.

As for the perception of Onkyo USA stonewalling...it's largely because they don't know! The real decisions are made in Japan, not here...

And especially since there are so many big new products coming out, the HDMI-HD card issue isn't a high priority, so they just don't all have the final story (if that has actually been determined as yet).

I have been campaigning for the HDMI upgrade for a couple of years now...and they feel our pain, too! (They use the products themselves.)
But it's not the end of the world. They're still fabulous products and stuff works Really Well.

E

I was excited to see the TX1000 accept 1080p from my XA2. That makes it a whole new ballgame! :)

The NR-1000 passes 1080p via HDMI?

I didn't think that HDMI 1.0 could pass 1080p. Anyone know how to confirm this?

BTW, I don't doubt your findings Joe. I am questioning my knowledge of the HDMI specs :)

Going back to my award-winning High School German, that says that the TX-NR5000 (and this also goes for the TX-NR1000, DTR-10.5 and RDC-7.1) is no longer in production. For Europe, there will be no new "flagship" in the Integra line until the end of 2008. They are planning HDMI and codec upgrades after the time of the new 2007 lineup receivers' introductions. ...

E

Just to make sure I understand this correctly...

The NR-1000 is currently out of production. Correct?

Onkyo doesn't plan on a replacement for the NR-1000 until the end of 2008 in Europe. What about a replacement model here in the states?

Just to make sure I understand this correctly...

The NR-1000 is currently out of production. Correct?

Onkyo doesn't plan on a replacement for the NR-1000 until the end of 2008 in Europe. What about a replacement model here in the states?

The 1000/5000, DTR-10.5 and RDC-7.1 are all out of production and SOLD OUT.

I cannot attest to the veracity of the claim that the replacement product will not be introduced until the end of 2008. I have no information on What Is To Come as yet.

E

The 1000/5000, DTR-10.5 and RDC-7.1 are all out of production and SOLD OUT.

I cannot attest to the veracity of the claim that the replacement product will not be introduced until the end of 2008. I have no information on What Is To Come as yet.

E

Thanks Eric.

Do you know the answer to this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=10606727&&#post10606727) question?

Yes the TX1000 will pass 1080p. I have used my XA2 with it... Try it! ;)

Yes the TX1000 will pass 1080p. I have used my XA2 with it... Try it! ;)

I'm waiting out the format wars because I got burnt on SACD and DVD Audio...

I really thought that HDMI 1.0 couldn't pass 1080p :confused:

Here's the deal. It works with the XA2 and Pioneer Blu ray player. I did try the new 360 ELITE and it just wouldn't take the 1080p signal. However, my crystalio II would not take the ELITE's 1080p signal either. Others have confirmed the ELITE is touchy when sending 1080p. MS claims they are working on a firmware... So I do not blame the TX1000 for the 360 incident... Hope this helps... :)

I'm waiting out the format wars because I got burnt on SACD and DVD Audio...

I really thought that HDMI 1.0 couldn't pass 1080p :confused:

Do you feel burnt because not enough discs you like were released? I have about 100 so far but must admit there are only about another 10 I would like that I dont already have.

Here's the deal. It works with the XA2 and Pioneer Blu ray player. I did try the new 360 ELITE and it just wouldn't take the 1080p signal. However, my crystalio II would not take the ELITE's 1080p signal either. Others have confirmed the ELITE is touchy when sending 1080p. MS claims they are working on a firmware... So I do not blame the TX1000 for the 360 incident... Hope this helps... :)

Interesting info. Thanks for sharing :)

Do you feel burnt because not enough discs you like were released? I have about 100 so far but must admit there are only about another 10 I would like that I dont already have.

Yes. I feel that I got burnt on both the hardware and the software. I originally bought the hardware for one format, and then bought a second player for the other format - this way I could play both formats. Then they came out with universal players...

On top of this the discs were hard to find, and the titles were so limited that I got mad, and swore off both formats.

This is why I will not spend one cent on the HD video formats. It's a shame that the CE industry has split the market, and are forcing consumers to make the decision because it's not as simple as choosing between a black or silver face-plate.

Even if I buy a PS3, which I don't see happening, I would just use it for games. I wouldn't spend one cent on BD movies.

Yes. I feel that I got burnt on both the hardware and the software. I originally bought the hardware for one format, and then bought a second player for the other format - this way I could play both formats. Then they came out with universal players...

On top of this the discs were hard to find, and the titles were so limited that I got mad, and swore off both formats.

This is why I will not spend one cent on the HD video formats. It's a shame that the CE industry has split the market, and are forcing consumers to make the decision because it's not as simple as choosing between a black or silver face-plate.

Even if I buy a PS3, which I don't see happening, I would just use it for games. I wouldn't spend one cent on BD movies.

To be honest I already have more HDDVD titles than SACD and DVD-A put together, the difference is more apparent because the sound is somewhat of an improvement, the interactivity is a good improvement and the picture on my RS1 is a BIG improvement. I have a pretty highend surround audio setup and appreciate the hi res audio formats, to be honest most people's systems don't sound much different with HD audio discs, a $1000 display can easily shown the advantages of an HD disc though.

after thinking about my options i ordered a c-multi card and just use the analog output
of the new hd players since you get the decoder in the players anyway no reason having
2 sets of decoding and let the display use the hdmi less of a handshake issue.

after thinking about my options i ordered a c-multi card and just use the analog output
of the new hd players since you get the decoder in the players anyway no reason having
2 sets of decoding and let the display use the hdmi less of a handshake issue.


That's exactly what I did. Works like a charm.

E

To be honest I already have more HDDVD titles than SACD and DVD-A put together, the difference is more apparent because the sound is somewhat of an improvement, the interactivity is a good improvement and the picture on my RS1 is a BIG improvement. I have a pretty highend surround audio setup and appreciate the hi res audio formats, to be honest most people's systems don't sound much different with HD audio discs, a $1000 display can easily shown the advantages of an HD disc though.

I also have a pretty good surround sound system, but I found that some titles in the hi-res format were mixed like crap. I was willing to give it time, but the studios, because of the fragmented market, didn't bring enough titles to market.

I have seen about ten titles in BD and HD DVD at my friend's house. He has the same set that I have (a 70" XBR2), and some titles look incredible. I can't put into words how anxious I am to get one of these players.

With that said, I still refuse to fund the format war. Let the morons that head the corporations make a pro-consumer format decision, and I'll jump in head first.

What about a combo player? (Either the current LG or the upcoming fixed LG or Samsung or maybe even the upcoming *****)

What about a combo player? (Either the current LG or the upcoming fixed LG or Samsung or maybe even the upcoming *****)

The upcoming player from "*****" ;) would not work because until I get an upgrade card they probably won't be getting any of my money either. BTW, is it supposed to be a combo player?

A combination player would not help solve the situation of ultimately having only one format. The studios would still be getting my money therefore they have no incentive to help stop the whole fiasco.

That's exactly what I did. Works like a charm.

E
its off topic but do you know if onkyo's hd-dvd player will have 5.1 analog output.

I would also be curious to know if it would have iLINK...

i am with you joe if it has either one there is no reason for me to upgrade besides
reading the specs the amp section will not match the 1000 or 10.5.

That is what I was thinking to. :)

That is what I was thinking to. :)

Been thinking that for months :). The Pioneer BDP-LX90 will likely have ILink, it supports DVD-A SACD and Bluray but no HDDVD and is not due until at least January.

I hope Onkyo include ILink but I think it unlikely. BTW: That knowledgable German fellow thinks there will be an HDMI upgrade this year. His site merely claims a completely new flagship will be released next year.

I wonder if they claim next year's new flagship will be upgradeable... :eek:

I sat down yesterday and listened to music and watched a movie. It was ~4-5 hours of use.
I am satisfied w/ the receiver, but it really gets really far up my arse that Onkyo has slacked off for so long on the HDMI card.

If they announce a new model next year and scrap this one, I think I might break something :o .

I will probably just swing by my local Circuit City and royally skew the balance and delay settings. If I am lucky I will push some customers away from Onkyo while I am there. It seems petty, but I think it will make me feel a little better :D .

I admit the TX1000 is a very solid receiver it's just the flexibility I question. Especially when it comes to HDMI...

... BTW: That knowledgable German fellow thinks there will be an HDMI upgrade this year. His site merely claims a completely new flagship will be released next year.

I am going to keep the faith, and hopefully we'll rewarded with a new HDMI card :)

Just looked on ebay and it looks like another AVS member is selling their TX1000... That is 2 in the last week! :eek:

i think a lot will depend on the new integra / onkyo hd-dvd player having firewire output
and the new panasonic sporting firewire if so that would make it a dream come true then
all that the new i.3 would be good for is the 1080p with higer bit color which could be
routed straight to the display with virtually no handshake issue.

I agree, that would be a huge deal breaker for many...

i think a lot will depend on the new integra / onkyo hd-dvd player having firewire output
and the new panasonic sporting firewire if so that would make it a dream come true then
all that the new i.3 would be good for is the 1080p with higer bit color which could be
routed straight to the display with virtually no handshake issue.

Do you know which Panasonic player has Firewire?

a rumored next player i know even if it has it that doesn't mean it will be for hi-rez audio

sorry that was overseas model only the bw100.

i think a lot will depend on the new integra / onkyo hd-dvd player having firewire output
and the new panasonic sporting firewire if so that would make it a dream come true then
all that the new i.3 would be good for is the 1080p with higer bit color which could be
routed straight to the display with virtually no handshake issue.

Apparently there will be no Integra version and I very much doubt we will see ILink from Onkyo again. Maybe it will return in a higher end unit at some point in the future.

The Panasonic has ILink but it is for video input and of no use for Audio. There are two rumoured options for getting digital high res audio into the NR1000 from HD Disc, they are:
1) Onkyo HDMI 1.3 card
2) Pioneer BDP-LX90 (If ILink output does convert True HD etc into PCM)

It looks like the dropping of support for iLink may be a trend among many brands now. The pics of the upcoming $7k pre-pro from Denon shows that it lacks iLink also, even though it still has a input for their own proprietary D-link3.


http://img116.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1644xzt7.jpg

http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=hpim1646xjg4.jpg

Even denon is saying good bye to iLINK? :eek:

Even denon is saying good bye to iLINK? :eek:

They always prefferred their own Denon Link system and their ILink sources had compatiblity issues with other brands. It was only their topend offering that offered Denonlink and Ilink, their lower end products often had Denonlink but no Ilink.

Pioneer and Marantz are the last of the Ilink soldiers. Pioneer may release a few high end ILink products next year and Marantz might still support Ilink since development of Denonlink shares alot in common and they are owned by the same company as Denon.

Hey thanks for the tip then. :) Maybe we will get some good news afterall. I am still going to play with one of their newer units though. I will do a good A/B comparison... I also do like the specs on the 905. I would sacrifice some of the TX1000s great build quality for the newer features the 905 will have. As long as the sound is not that much lower in quality compared to it. I like the 4 HDMI ins and 2 outs! Anyway, I won't give up on our beloved TX1000 just yet! ;)

Get the DTR-8.8! Even more goodness...

E

Chasing rainbows. You need to reread your post! I am also an Onkyo dealer here in the states. I just happen to personally own the TX1000 as do many of my clients. I am upset as they are for not getting the support that was advertised for this unit. We just want audio over HDMI. Is that really that hard? Also, using the analog ins just does not sound as good as using the HDMI for advanced audio codecs. You are obviously just sticking up for Onkyo. You can't fool us with other ideas or options that will excuse them from releasing a new HDMI card! I remember your B.S. posts about a 1.2 HDMI card. I was told over here there NEVER was such a card in the making! Having a receiver with 1.3 HDMI that will handle HD DVD and Blu ray 1080p as well as their new audio codecs is not chasing rainbows... The 605 and the 805 will be out shortly... Or have you forgotten? :rolleyes:


Well, joerod, the Integra product manager (Japanese gent, can't recall his name right now) told me and the two Aussie Integra distribs who were with me that they had developed an HDMI 1.2a card last year. (this was at CEDIA Expo). He said that they had put the release of it on hold, due to the impending HDMI 1.3. We blabbed his ears off concerning what we wanted to see. Stuff like HDMI 4/2 ports, yada yada yada.

Now recall that the Onkyo product has some different aspects from the Integra product. The TX-NR1000 is fully populated with boards. One size fits all. The Integra is custom-configured, built-to-order. You don't have to get all of that stuff in it. Integra dealers can order boards ala carte. Do they even offer the boards to Onkyo dealers? I could go into their system right now and order HDXM board or HDMI board or Multichannel audio board, etc...

E

Now recall that the Onkyo product has some different aspects from the Integra product. The TX-NR1000 is fully populated with boards. One size fits all. The Integra is custom-configured, built-to-order. You don't have to get all of that stuff in it. Integra dealers can order boards ala carte. Do they even offer the boards to Onkyo dealers? I could go into their system right now and order HDXM board or HDMI board or Multichannel audio board, etc...

Interesting point. Integra already offers a number of non standard options, I wonder if a two card solution would be possible at the expense of another slot. If I was forced to lose a slot then it would have to be Nettune or my personal fave would be the introduction of a half size analogue board.

A given type of board will only work in a certain slot. They all have letters "Slot E", for example, to indicate which is which.

E

Always something! :)

whats interesting is that they managed to build a am,fm,hd sat radio supplement card
and then nothing else.

Those new cards were the least I cared about to! :eek:

A given type of board will only work in a certain slot. They all have letters "Slot E", for example, to indicate which is which.

E

I was thinking of a ribbon cable from the HDMI card to a second backplate. This way additional HDMI connectors could be put in any spare slot.

I like the idea! I wonder if it would be easy to do...

at this point almost anything would be better than nothing they could of at least give us
the option of the 1.2a card for the video side since the audio could be handled by analog input.

I would settle for any new HDMi card to...

Just looked on ebay and it looks like another AVS member is selling their TX1000... That is 2 in the last week! :eek:


Yes .. I was one of them. The reason I sold mine was not that I want something else. It was a financial decision and the same with the other guy who sold his TX-NR1000. I think he got divorced and sold his stuff to recover some money. I still love this beast even after all the "no show" extension cards from Onkyo.
To make sure my baby gets save to his new owner I even build a wooden box around the original box to make sure it arrive in perfect condition at his new owner what brought up the shipping weight to 108 pounds. I might buy it again after I recover from my situation.

Sorry SKY-CHICKEN, hang in there! When it comes time to buy another receiver we will have more options anyhow. And you know their newer "cheaper" units are not a bad alternative... Take care... :)

The C-HDXM tuner card is no longer available. The new CHDSAT card with HD Radio, XM AND Sirius will ship in August.

E

The C-HDXM tuner card is no longer available. The new CHDSAT card with HD Radio, XM AND Sirius will ship in August.

E
i guess that has to do with the merger of the two satellite radio co's.

i guess that has to do with the merger of the two satellite radio co's.

Nope. Just upping the capabilities to match that of the new product line, all of which support XM and Sirius.

The merger may never happen...

E

At least they are keeping the satellite radio cards current...

any hint as to what that cards cost will be and will it have rds viewable on a display.

Yes .. I was one of them. The reason I sold mine was not that I want something else. It was a financial decision and the same with the other guy who sold his TX-NR1000. I think he got divorced and sold his stuff to recover some money. I still love this beast even after all the "no show" extension cards from Onkyo.
To make sure my baby gets save to his new owner I even build a wooden box around the original box to make sure it arrive in perfect condition at his new owner what brought up the shipping weight to 108 pounds. I might buy it again after I recover from my situation.

Hey, guy, I'm the one who bought it....now if only some kind soul here would hook me up with the firmware update to be able to use the C-HDXM I bought for it....Sadly, it won't work with current 1.09 firmware....

Hey, guy, I'm the one who bought it....now if only some kind soul here would hook me up with the firmware update to be able to use the C-HDXM I bought for it....Sadly, it won't work with current 1.09 firmware....

Where did you purchase the card from? If it was a dealer, they should be able to help you out. Keep us posted.

Nope. Just upping the capabilities to match that of the new product line, all of which support XM and Sirius. ...

Which brings me to my next question... ;)

Which brings me to my next question... ;)

Now, don't go there! ;)

E

Hey, guy, I'm the one who bought it....now if only some kind soul here would hook me up with the firmware update to be able to use the C-HDXM I bought for it....Sadly, it won't work with current 1.09 firmware....

The dealer you bought the C-HDXM from (was it?) should have given you firmware 2.00, which is required for th C-HDXM.


Eric

any hint as to what that cards cost will be and will it have rds viewable on a display.

$300-$400 and all of the HD Radio cards have FM RDS support.

I bought the C-HDXM card from a frustrated private party on Ebay, who wasn't crazy about toting his monster receiver down to the Onkyo dealer....Any help would be greatly appreciated, guys....
Thanks.

Hey, guy, I'm the one who bought it....now if only some kind soul here would hook me up with the firmware update to be able to use the C-HDXM I bought for it....Sadly, it won't work with current 1.09 firmware....

You need Firmware with a master version of 2.x, Onkyo have made this very difficult for users recently.

I would ring up, make a little noise, they will probably then send you the firmware if you sign their liability away, the firmware updates work fine just dont unplug until it finishes!

Thanks ( and "hi" again) krobar...,,
Well, problem beeing,, here in Sweden, onkyo/integra hasn't made any friends in the distributors market, from when I bought my 1st rdc7.0 until today, I think there's been 3 o 4 different companies selling it. The latest info I got from the actually very helpfull guys who handled onkyo/integra last was that they dropped them completly.

My unit was bought from Singapore since they also run 220v,
I've tried contacting onkyo europe ( germany )..., not very intrested.....

I would really like to help but my unit was upgraded by Onkyo UK. They added a DAB module and upgraded the firmware at thier service center which is why I dont have a copy. What about the supplier in Singapore?

thanks krobar...,
well, the singapore folks thought I could ship it to them...,, yeah,, really, that's cheap..

I guess over time,, someone in these forums will drop in and have succeded getting integra to ship a zip to them...,, I mean,, it's a dead product in their own eyes,, so ...,,,who knows...

Dead product or not I dont think that makes a difference, bad firmware updates mean RMAs. In just over 3 years time when the last warranty expires... maybe then we will see a change in "Policy".

The last firmware they sent out was 1.09... It is getting harder to obtain the 2.1 series. I was expecting it before but still have not got it. I will call my main contact today and see if I get lucky... I will send her a Vermont Teddy Bear, that should do it! :)

Many thanks to the kind souls here who guided me down the road to HD-Radio, via the 2.0 firmware update!. I flashed my receiver tonight, popped the new card in, and voila--the analog channels sound noticeably better when switched to digital, and RDS support is cool. But this is only through headphones right now, as I haven't integrated it into my system yet. I can actually see (on most stations) the artist name, and song title! Hopefully, as time goes by, there will be more and more HD channels. HD-Radio was one of the big reasons I bought this receiver, as I did not see any other HT receivers out there with HD-Radio support. I just hope Onkyo supports this upgradeable behemoth for a LONG time...to make my considerable investment worthwhile....just hope the wife doesn't find out how much it cost....

Awesome! Glad you are liking your new toy... :)

I just wanted everyone to know that as I was reading another post at the high end board that apparently companies llike Theta, Halcro, and Lexicon have also not given upgrade to their customer's receivers either for HDMI 1.3 although Halcro just made an anouncement . So maybe we should't feel so bad.

I just wanted everyone to know that as I was reading another post at the high end board that apparently companies llike Theta, Halcro, and Lexicon have also not given upgrade to their customer's receivers either for HDMI 1.3 although Halcro just made an anouncement . So maybe we should't feel so bad.


HDMI 1.3 chips are still on allocation and quite difficult to obtain. The only company that has shipped any AVRs supporting HDMI 1.3 thus far is Onkyo...and they've only just begun the rollout. HDMI 1.3 requires a lot different infrastructure than previous versions (super-high bandwidth) as well...

E