C-HDXM or CHDSAT

Do any online dealers sell the Onkyo cards (CHDSAT not available, yet)? I have done Google searches, but found nothing. Onkyo's store site has no info, either.

C-HDXM or CHDSAT

Do any online dealers sell the Onkyo cards (CHDSAT not available, yet)? I have done Google searches, but found nothing. Onkyo's store site has no info, either.

Try asking Integra Dealers. Onkyo do not officially support upgrade cards.

C-HDXM or CHDSAT

Do any online dealers sell the Onkyo cards (CHDSAT not available, yet)? I have done Google searches, but found nothing. Onkyo's store site has no info, either.


The CHDXM is discontinued and sold out.

The CHDSAT doesn't ship until August.

Eric

Has anyone had any luck using an Apple TV (ATV) via HDMI into the NR1000? I get no picture, and can't figure out what's going on. I even set the ATV to 480p - still no picture when going through the AVR. When run directly into the TV it works fine...

From the ATV, I have run the HDMI cable directly to the NR1000 and I have also tried routing it through an HDMI switcher (http://xtrememac.com/audio/av_cables/switcher/index.php). Neither works :confused:

Has anyone had any luck using an Apple TV (ATV) via HDMI into the NR1000? I get no picture, and can't figure out what's going on. I even set the ATV to 480p - still no picture when going through the AVR. When run directly into the TV it works fine...

From the ATV, I have run the HDMI cable directly to the NR1000 and I have also tried routing it through an HDMI switcher (http://xtrememac.com/audio/av_cables/switcher/index.php). Neither works :confused:

It sounds like the Apple TV product may have issues with HDMI repeaters. Not an uncommon problem, just like many cable boxes went through. I would contact Apple tech support and check with them. If that is the case, it should be able to be fixed in a software update.

E

It sounds like the Apple TV product may have issues with HDMI repeaters. Not an uncommon problem, just like many cable boxes went through. I would contact Apple tech support and check with them. If that is the case, it should be able to be fixed in a software update.

E

As I mentioned, I have run the cable directly from the ATV to the HDMI input on the NR1000, bypassing the switcher. It still doesn't work.

I have also switched my DVD player into the free HDMI port on the NR1000, and it works fine, so the port isn't dead...

As I mentioned, I have run the cable directly from the ATV to the HDMI input on the NR1000, bypassing the switcher. It still doesn't work.

I have also switched my DVD player into the free HDMI port on the NR1000, and it works fine, so the port isn't dead...

Yes but the NR1000 itself is seen as a HDMI repeater, no matter if you are or are not using your external switcher, that has nothing to do with this. And because the NR1000 is seen as a repeater, if ATV has problems with HDMI repeaters, that is also why you are having problems.

Yes but the NR1000 itself is seen as a HDMI repeater, no matter if you are or are not using your external switcher, that has nothing to do with this. And because the NR1000 is seen as a repeater, if ATV has problems with HDMI repeaters, that is also why you are having problems.

I keep forgetting that receivers are repeaters :o

Thanks Eric and Johnla for responding. I'm going to check out the Apple forums, and see if anyone else is having a problem.

I have done some more experimenting with the ATV using the HDMI port. The results are:

The ATV will not work* when it is connected to the HDMI switch, and then to the AVR.
The ATV will sometimes work* when connected directly to the receiver.
The ATV always works* when connected directly to the display.

My SP-1000 works in all the configurations listed above. I did not test directly connecting it to the display, but I have no reason to believe that it won't work.

* A viewable image on my display device: A Sony SXRD XBR2.

I have done some more experimenting with the ATV using the HDMI port. The results are:

The ATV will not work* when it is connected to the HDMI switch, and then to the AVR.
The ATV will sometimes work* when connected directly to the receiver.
The ATV always works* when connected directly to the display.

My SP-1000 works in all the configurations listed above. I did not test directly connecting it to the display, but I have no reason to believe that it won't work.

* A viewable image on my display device: A Sony SXRD XBR2.
will it work ok going to switch then the tv.

will it work ok going to switch then the tv.

Actually, I made a mistake in my original post. I did test the ATV connected directly to the TV, and it worked every time.

I will try: ATV -> switch -> display and report back.

The reason I didn't try the combination above is because my display has three HDMI ports, but only two of them are on the back of the set. One of them is occupied by one of my S3s (the second one is using component cables), and the other is occupied by the output from the NR-1000.

I don't want the TiVo going through a switch because I want it accessible at all times - even if the switch (or receiver) is off. Additionally, for ease-of-use, I prefer my SP-1000 to be connected directly to the NR-1000 as opposed to passing it through a switch. Although, I may reconsider this decision...

The Onkyo equipment, ATV, and switch are physically located in a different rack than the TiVos.

Here are shiny new pics of the two new radio cards shipping in August for the card-based products:

CHSAT (AM/FM/XM/Sirius)

http://www.stopdave.com/images/Integra/CSAT_web.jpg

CHDSAT (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius)

http://www.stopdave.com/images/Integra/CHDSAT_web.jpg

cool...will it do HD Radio?

By the way..for the Sirius Satellite, do you buy a tuner box with the cable, connecter? and do you know how much they cost? Just that the connecter has alway thrown me.

Actually, I made a mistake in my original post. I did test the ATV connected directly to the TV, and it worked every time.

I will try: ATV -> switch -> display and report back.

The reason I didn't try the combination above is because my display has three HDMI ports, but only two of them are on the back of the set. One of them is occupied by one of my S3s (the second one is using component cables), and the other is occupied by the output from the NR-1000.

I don't want the TiVo going through a switch because I want it accessible at all times - even if the switch (or receiver) is off. Additionally, for ease-of-use, I prefer my SP-1000 to be connected directly to the NR-1000 as opposed to passing it through a switch. Although, I may reconsider this decision...

The Onkyo equipment, ATV, and switch are physically located in a different rack than the TiVos.
how do you like the extreme i am thinking about one it looks like it will match the atv
and the airport extreme.

cool...will it do HD Radio?

By the way..for the Sirius Satellite, do you buy a tuner box with the cable, connecter? and do you know how much they cost? Just that the connecter has alway thrown me.
look at the second card rel close its printed on it i had to look at both myself.

Here are shiny new pics of the two new radio cards shipping in August for the card-based products:

CHSAT (AM

CHDSAT (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius)


Thanks for the updates!

Cool pics, just wish they has a HDMI card...

how do you like the extreme i am thinking about one it looks like it will match the atv
and the airport extreme.

The XtrermeMac switcher is really nice. As far as performance goes - it works :), but I do have one more compatibility test to do (as noted in one of my previous posts).


I don't know if you already own an Apple TV, so I will add this caveat. The damn things runs too hot to put anything on top of, or below it. Even in standby mode it is VERY warm - almost hot. The top, bottom, and the aluminum band the surrounds the unit are actually heatsinks...

I have the 160GB version, and it seems to run a little bit warmer, than my friend's who has the 40GB version.

look at the second card rel close its printed on it i had to look at both myself.

thanks!

cool...will it do HD Radio?

By the way..for the Sirius Satellite, do you buy a tuner box with the cable, connecter? and do you know how much they cost? Just that the connecter has alway thrown me.

The second one (CHDSAT) does HD Radio (with RDS). You need to buy a SiriusConnect home tuner kit for Sirius service and an XM mini-tuner and Home dock for XM Radio service.

E

The second one (CHDSAT) does HD Radio (with RDS). You need to buy a SiriusConnect home tuner kit for Sirius service and an XM mini-tuner and Home dock for XM Radio service.

E


Found the module on the Sirius website!

Thanks

I love Sirius... It is goot have them as options with the Onkyo receiver these days... :)

will it work ok going to switch then the tv.

Yes. It works flawlessly when going from Apple TV --> HDMI Switch --> Display

Flawlessly is defined as: I can switch inputs on the HDMI switcher, turn both the switcher and Apple TV on and off, in any sequence, and I have experienced no problems.

Yes. It works flawlessly when going from Apple TV --> HDMI Switch --> Display

Flawlessly is defined as: I can switch inputs on the HDMI switcher, turn both the switcher and Apple TV on and off, in any sequence, and I have experienced no problems.
thanks i believe that will be on my list along with atv before the end of summer
since there has not been any hdmi card update for us.

Shanemcr found this.....

This should belong to you guys?

http://www.gardi.de/onkyo_info/news_flash_abbildungen/TX-NR1000_cardout.jpg

here is the website

http://www.gardi.de/onkyo_integra_neuheiten_news_flash.htm

Shanemcr found this.....

This should belong to you guys?

http://www.gardi.de/onkyo_info/news_flash_abbildungen/TX-NR1000_cardout.jpg

here is the website

http://www.gardi.de/onkyo_integra_neuheiten_news_flash.htm

Thanks for the heads up. Unfortunately, I think that is a stock picture of the NR-1000, and the text on the page is probably based on the information that a 1.3 card was in the works.

Or a picture from 2 years ago...

Imagine the possibilities if they made it where you could have added 2 extra HDMI cards. They got caught up in the HDMI 1.3 "thing" and pretty much gave up. We all would have been happy with HDMI 1.2 or 1.2a. Oh well, what might have been...

From what I can interpret of the 05/20 commentary (NR5000) ... no new flaghip until the end of 2008 ...HDMI, codec in planning...foreseeable availability after introduction of new (receivers?) at IFA 2007 in Berlin. Does anyone know if the current HDMI card has a Silicon Image chip? If so, then the picture is a current production model photo. If Eric has any comment on this, it would be appreciated. If read at another forum post the statement by Mark Haflich that the 1.3 chips are now readily available. http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=871827&page=2&pp=30

Do any Onkyo dealers/followers know if Onkyo has plans for future firmware updates that will upgrade to Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding? And is this even possible through a firmware update or new card? I've been reading about the upcoming Onkyo TX-NR905, which has all these, PLUS HDMI 1.3,HD-Radio, and even a USB port for playing off of flash drives (assumably)! For about $2000! WAY cheaper than a TX-NR1000! I LOVE my unit with HD-Radio provided with the optional C-HDXM card I purchased! But an HD-Radio card is the ONLY one Onkyo has come out with in, what, 3 years? I inquired on OnkyoUSA's site about the possible future release date for a HDMI 1.3 card, and they replied with:

"Sorry, at this time we have no info on when the card will be out suggest contacting us at a later date for more info."

Which makes me wonder (along with all the rest of you NR1000 owners!): has Onkyo thrown in the towel with this "future-proof" unit, or are they actually going to come out with new cards on a semi-regular basis to live up to the promise? I wish somebody would tell us, cause it kinda sucks seeing how the upcoming TX-NR905 has all these cool features, yet we might not be able to get them even though we paid considerably more for these babies to do just that!!

Anybody know anything??? Thanks! I feel better!

Do any Onkyo dealers/followers know if Onkyo has plans for future firmware updates that will upgrade to Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding? And is this even possible through a firmware update or new card? I've been reading about the upcoming Onkyo TX-NR905, which has all these, PLUS HDMI 1.3,HD-Radio, and even a USB port for playing off of flash drives (assumably)! For about $2000! WAY cheaper than a TX-NR1000! I LOVE my unit with HD-Radio provided with the optional C-HDXM card I purchased! But an HD-Radio card is the ONLY one Onkyo has come out with in, what, 3 years? I inquired on OnkyoUSA's site about the possible future release date for a HDMI 1.3 card, and they replied with:

"Sorry, at this time we have no info on when the card will be out suggest contacting us at a later date for more info."

Which makes me wonder (along with all the rest of you NR1000 owners!): has Onkyo thrown in the towel with this "future-proof" unit, or are they actually going to come out with new cards on a semi-regular basis to live up to the promise? I wish somebody would tell us, cause it kinda sucks seeing how the upcoming TX-NR905 has all these cool features, yet we might not be able to get them even though we paid considerably more for these babies to do just that!!

Anybody know anything??? Thanks! I feel better!
thats the question that every 1000/10.5 owner would like to know.

We have been wondering now for almost 2 years! :eek:

I think they have thrown in the towel... keep in mind I am not a "the glass is half full" kind of guy. I would love to be wrong though...

its almost funny that a new tuner card will be available next month but no hint of any hdmi.

Do any Onkyo dealers/followers know if Onkyo has plans for future firmware updates that will upgrade to Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD decoding? And is this even possible through a firmware update or new card? I've been reading about the upcoming Onkyo TX-NR905, which has all these, PLUS HDMI 1.3,HD-Radio, and even a USB port for playing off of flash drives (assumably)! For about $2000! WAY cheaper than a TX-NR1000! I LOVE my unit with HD-Radio provided with the optional C-HDXM card I purchased! But an HD-Radio card is the ONLY one Onkyo has come out with in, what, 3 years? I inquired on OnkyoUSA's site about the possible future release date for a HDMI 1.3 card, and they replied with:

"Sorry, at this time we have no info on when the card will be out suggest contacting us at a later date for more info."

Which makes me wonder (along with all the rest of you NR1000 owners!): has Onkyo thrown in the towel with this "future-proof" unit, or are they actually going to come out with new cards on a semi-regular basis to live up to the promise? I wish somebody would tell us, cause it kinda sucks seeing how the upcoming TX-NR905 has all these cool features, yet we might not be able to get them even though we paid considerably more for these babies to do just that!!

Anybody know anything??? Thanks! I feel better!

According to an AVS member who is also an Integra dealer and has inside info there will be no HDMI 1.3 card released. Instead, Onkyo will offer a trade-in program. No details on that one yet.

R

Maybe it will be announced when their new flagship (not the 905) gets ready to roll out...

i wonder if they saved any new surprises for cedia this year.

I bet we won't hear about any newer flagships until January. Just my guess... I think they won't want to take any attention away from the new line...

Maybe it will be announced when their new flagship (not the 905) gets ready to roll out...

What are you referring to in the quote above?

A few posts up someone posted about there being a possible trafe in program for the TX1000 since they are not able to do HDMI 1.3 with it...

A few posts up someone posted about there being a possible trafe in program for the TX1000 since they are not able to do HDMI 1.3 with it...
If they do go ahead with a trade in program it better be to something with comparable build and sound quality to the NR-1000. While I'd like the new features I like the quality and sound of the NR-1000 more. It'll be interesting to see if there is any truth to this rumor.

Best.......Carlo.

Same here. I have a 805 now in my set up but it does not compare to the sound of the TX1000. I will be trying a 875 and 905 shortly. UNless they come out pretty close then I will just try a 905... The 805 is nice with all its cool features and audio codecs but I do miss the better sound the TX1000 does. Hopefully the 905 will be closer to the TX1000... :)

If they do go ahead with a trade in program it better be to something with comparable build and sound quality to the NR-1000. While I'd like the new features I like the quality and sound of the NR-1000 more. It'll be interesting to see if there is any truth to this rumor.

Best.......Carlo.

An HDMI 1.2 card would be fine, hopefully Onkyo will release one.

it would be interesting to look at a schematic of the mother board to see if that is even
possible since the current hdmi card does not have the ability to carry audio.

I bought my (2) NR1000 receivers on Ebay, and I'm constantly checking the prices. Just recently, there seem to be a lot of silver TX-NR1000 receivers up for sale...5 right now...wonder why all of a sudden...and prices seem to have dropped considerably. Average asking price is approximately $1700-$2300. I've never seen so many on sale at the same time in the 1 1/2 years I've been monitoring Ebay. I wonder if all these people have given up on future upgrades?

I bought my (2) NR1000 receivers on Ebay, and I'm constantly checking the prices. Just recently, there seem to be a lot of silver TX-NR1000 receivers up for sale...5 right now...wonder why all of a sudden...and prices seem to have dropped considerably. Average asking price is approximately $1700-$2300. I've never seen so many on sale at the same time in the 1 1/2 years I've been monitoring Ebay. I wonder if all these people have given up on future upgrades?
the hdmi 1.3 craze has caused a lot of eq to drop their prices.

HDMI 1.2 in a card would have been fine with me...

A few posts up someone posted about there being a possible trafe in program for the TX1000 since they are not able to do HDMI 1.3 with it...

I wasn't sure if you were referring to the trade in, or a new card. Thanks for clarifying.

No problem... :)

well they removed the 1000/10.5 from the onkyo/integra receiver lineup so no hdmi cards.

well they removed the 1000/10.5 from the onkyo/integra receiver lineup so no hdmi cards.

It's not listed under previous models either. To avoid litigation, maybe they are going to deny that it ever existed. You can see it here (http://www.onkyousa.com/model.cfm?m=TX-NR1000&class=Receiver&p=i) for now... Check out the footnote at the bottom of the page regarding upgrade cards :eek:

........ *Waits for the backlash*

I hate to post it but it almost feels like they are having a funeral for it... :eek:

I hate to post it but it almost feels like they are having a funeral for it... :eek:

Dear John...

I guess we can all hope that they are taking down their previous flagship and putting up their new flagship soon accompanied with a trade in/upgrade deal for owners of the 1000.

Let's hope so... :)

I guess we can all hope that they are taking down their previous flagship and putting up their new flagship soon accompanied with a trade in/upgrade deal for owners of the 1000.

Last time the Onkyo and Integra flagship owners didn't get any trade in deal, only the Integra Research owners got that.

R

I hope they don't dismiss the 5,000 msrp TX1000 owners...

Is now the time that we should all start sending e-mails to onkyo asking them why the 1000 has been removed from their website and what they will do for us in the future since they did not deliver on one of the key selling points?

My fingers are ready to begin typing if so....

well too late. I was itching to confirm. I asked them if the model is indeed discontinued and if there will be any more support in the form of upgrade cards. I know these questions have been addressed, but i want to hear it from their mouths.

I will have a nice follow up question about their plans for us 1000 owners if they come back with unfavorable answers on both of my questions.

I hope they don't dismiss the 5,000 msrp TX1000 owners...

Onkyo dismissed the 989 flagship owners a few years ago, they got nothing. The RDC-7 owners were very vocal, we e-mailed and called IR and even threatened to sue them if they didn't offer a trade-in. It worked, we got the trade-in offer.

R

Last time the Onkyo and Integra flagship owners didn't get any trade in deal, only the Integra Research owners got that.

R

I don't plan on letting this issue die until there is a satisfactory resolution.

well too late. I was itching to confirm. I asked them if the model is indeed discontinued and if there will be any more support in the form of upgrade cards. I know these questions have been addressed, but i want to hear it from their mouths.

I will have a nice follow up question about their plans for us 1000 owners if they come back with unfavorable answers on both of my questions.

PM sent.

I don't plan on letting this issue die until there is a satisfactory resolution.

Great, go kick their behinds like we did! False advertisement must not be tolerated.

R

FYI (it's been said before),

the Onkyo TX-NR1000, Integra DTR-10.5 and Integra Research RDC-7.1 have been discontinued and are SOLD OUT.

The new CSAT card (AM/FM/XM/Sirius) and CHDSAT card (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius) ship the first week of August.

-E

Time to start bringing up those Nostradamus ads to them... ;)

FYI (it's been said before),

the Onkyo TX-NR1000, Integra DTR-10.5 and Integra Research RDC-7.1 have been discontinued and are SOLD OUT.

The new CSAT card (AM/FM/XM/Sirius) and CHDSAT card (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius) ship the first week of August.

-E


Noted egcarter. As I said though, I wanted to hear it from their mouths before I start asking them the tougher questions. I worked in retail for many years,a nd there is nothing worse than a poorly informed customer blasting off about something when he has his facts completely wrong from the get go. I just want to be fair to them and hope that they are fair to us, the people who paid major dollars to their company for a product that did not live up to everything it was advertised to be.

makes you wonder how mad the current mass of people will be if dts master can not be
installed by firmware since all thats out there is core only.

That is a good point...

FYI (it's been said before),

the Onkyo TX-NR1000, Integra DTR-10.5 and Integra Research RDC-7.1 have been discontinued and are SOLD OUT.

The new CSAT card (AM/FM/XM/Sirius) and CHDSAT card (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius) ship the first week of August.

-E

The new Radio cards are a red herring, they are primarily for their modular Radio seperate that is still in production.

HDMI 1.2 should be provided. If not I suggest Bluray owners buy an ILink Blu player from Pioneer when released next year. The modular Onkyos still sound very good and so would an Ilink Blu player, it also has the added bonus of not giving money to those who misled you.

Good point! I will be interested in how the iLINK sounds... Should be very good... :)

I do not have one of these 'modular' units that are now left without even HDMI 1.1 capability but having considered to buy one myself I truly feel sorry for all of you trusting in Onkyo, I almost did, too.

If they would not even offer a 1.1 HDMI card this is the lowest any company ever got with regard to false advertising. The single most important news in home theater audio was HDMI, with 1.1 already being the standard that lets the owner of the device reap the benefit of the new formats.

Onkyo has done nothing for its customers in that regard and if there is not a very good trade-in program I would never buy an Onkyo product again - to be lured by modular flagship design promises and with Onkyo failing to deliver on the hottest novelty in home theater audio for years is really a new low.

All IMO and I am probably preaching to the choir when I say never buy something for a supposed future upgradability.

Oy yeah, that Nostradamus ad shows the HDMI card being switched! :eek:

i wonder if that ad agency still has a job with onkyo.

I can guarantee you that if Onkyo does not do SOMETHING for us 1000 owners, I will never again purchase from this company for any reason. Thats sad, because the 1000 is a very well built unit, but if they want me to be loyal to them, they need to return the favor as well.

Come on Onkyo, restore my faith.

Still no word from Onkyo regarding my email. I wonder if they sense that the first e-mail is one of many to come and just plan on ignoring me.

Still no word from Onkyo regarding my email. I wonder if they sense that the first e-mail is one of many to come and just plan on ignoring me.

Emails to Onkyo are useless. You've got to call them.

R

I can guarantee you that if Onkyo does not do SOMETHING for us 1000 owners, I will never again purchase from this company for any reason. Thats sad, because the 1000 is a very well built unit, but if they want me to be loyal to them, they need to return the favor as well.

Come on Onkyo, restore my faith.

Well I just called Onkyo today and talked to a customer service rep. I too was concerned when I saw they pulled the TX 1000 from the list. The rep told me to call back the beginning of August for the news on this receiver since they do not have the final word. I asked if this was good or bad news and the rep told me good news. Now if Onkyo does abandon the TX 1000 they better give us a new receiver. Why? Because they said the unit was future proof. So forget for a moment how much money you spent. Other people have paid more for other receivers with no future upgrades. So if I where to buy one of those units then I would expect no upgrades. One of the main reasons I bought the unit was for upgrades price takes a back seat for now. However if they do not make any upgrade cards how is the unit future proof? They will not care if you say you will not buy from them. I think the TX 1000 crowd is a small group. However if you approach Best buy or whoever the vendor is that you purchased the unit from and tell them this is the premise of what I bought the unit under what are you going to do? Onkyo will listen allot more to a vendor then to us. If this more cripples sales from vendors and they start screaming then Onkyo will respond. Next in a way it is a good thing Onkyo has not flat out put the receiver out in the discontinued models. This tells me there is some hesitation on what they plan to do rather then just give us the TX 1000 group the shaft. The only recommendation I can make at this point is to nicely express your concern at this point and wait for August. I do love the receiver and was hoping Onkyo would make upgrade cards for the receiver, maybe this was a good idea to soon. In the meantime I am going to watch a movie.

Well I just called Onkyo today and talked to a customer service rep. I too was concerned when I saw they pulled the TX 1000 from the list. The rep told me to call back the beginning of August for the news on this receiver since they do not have the final word. I asked if this was good or bad news and the rep told me good news. Now if Onkyo does abandon the TX 1000 they better give us a new receiver. Why? Because they said the unit was future proof. So forget for a moment how much money you spent. ...snip...



What upgrade(s) are you looking for, in particular?

-E

Charles, I guess I understand your point to a degree, but i won't forget the money, because A) it was expensive and B) i gave Onkyo my money based on their unit and its features, the main one being the ability to upgrade. That feature alone kept me from buying a Denon or any other unit and giving my money to one of those companies. Those companies did not make a statement about being able to upgrade therefore i can't blame them for something they never stated.

It doesn't matter to me if its one dollar or one thousand dollars, make your product do what you say it will do. Its as simple as that to me.

As for going back to the vendors, thats a good idea, but i don't think its an either/or situation. The more voices onkyo hears either through a vendor or directly, the more they will know that this is something we care about. In the end, i think quantity wins in these situations.

What upgrade(s) are you looking for, in particular?

-E

HDMI upgrade for one. Now the new HD codecs for the second. Do you have these in stock or why are you asking :)

Charles, I guess I understand your point to a degree, but i won't forget the money, because A) it was expensive and B) i gave Onkyo my money based on their unit and its features, the main one being the ability to upgrade. That feature alone kept me from buying a Denon or any other unit and giving my money to one of those companies. Those companies did not make a statement about being able to upgrade therefore i can't blame them for something they never stated.

It doesn't matter to me if its one dollar or one thousand dollars, make your product do what you say it will do. Its as simple as that to me.

As for going back to the vendors, thats a good idea, but i don't think its an either/or situation. The more voices onkyo hears either through a vendor or directly, the more they will know that this is something we care about. In the end, i think quantity wins in these situations.

Yes the money is the issue as well but I looked at the purchase price as sort of a long term investment rather then a short term solution. I must of not made myself clear on this issue. Yes the money is a big deal if I have to scrap the unit to upgrade and trust me if it gets to that point some reps at Onkyo are going to wish they called in sick that day rather then take my phone call. I was looking at the long term not the short term or I never would have bought the unit that is correct. Who knows I might have bought a Denon or some other brand. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Onkyo is not going to give us the shaft. If they do we might want to band toghter and seek legal action at that point. I did make a copy of the webiste before they took the unit completely down. I also have the manuals as well. I do believe Onkyo might have lost money on the prodject but that does not let them off the hook by any means. Trust me I will be very vocal about getting another reciever if they do not do anything with the TX 1000

I think most of us could guess which card... :D

wait for August

Don't wait, now's the time to push hard, before they make their decision. If they think that there is a chance that there will be a class action lawsuit then you'll get your trade-in.

R

... i won't forget the money, because A) it was expensive and B) i gave Onkyo my money based on their unit and its features, the main one being the ability to upgrade. That feature alone kept me from buying a Denon or any other unit and giving my money to one of those companies. Those companies did not make a statement about being able to upgrade therefore i can't blame them for something they never stated. ...

I want to publicly agree with you, and say that I believe "Point B", in your post, is why this is such a sore spot with most owners.

Is it reasonable for me to expect that the NR-1000 would be the "Transformer" of receivers? No. This is not a reasonable expectation, and it's not what I was looking for. My opinion is that no product's selling price entitles the purchaser to reasonably expect that the item will not become obsolete. Please note that I am not minimizing the fact that the receiver was very expensive (I know for me it was a lot of money), but when the item is advertised as being future-proof, the purchaser DOES have the right to reasonably expect that the item is indeed, future-proof. Additionally, Onkyo is a well established industry player with significant resources. This further solidifies that expectation that one of the main selling points, in this case "future-proofness" is reasonable, and will be delivered.

I would have purchased a Denon, but the thing that sold me on the Onkyo was the fact that it was advertised as being future-proof. The first upgrade card I expected to see was an HDMI card...


It doesn't matter to me if its one dollar or one thousand dollars, make your product do what you say it will do. Its as simple as that to me.

That is the issue, and I couldn't have said it better.

Don't wait, now's the time to push hard, before they make their decision. If they think that there is a chance that there will be a class action lawsuit then you'll get your trade-in.

R

Agreed.

the 1000/10.5 are both listed on previous models in both websites.

Don't wait, now's the time to push hard, before they make their decision. If they think that there is a chance that there will be a class action lawsuit then you'll get your trade-in.

R


I am game for this so who will organize this? What are the costs involved etc.

the 1000/10.5 are both listed on previous models in both websites.

I saw the TX 1000 under net tune but not where like the 989 was. Can you give us the URL?

the 1000/10.5 are both listed on previous models in both websites.

Nevermind I see it there now. I must of missed this today. Do you know when it got moved?

Yes the money is the issue as well but I looked at the purchase price as sort of a long term investment rather then a short term solution. I must of not made myself clear on this issue. Yes the money is a big deal if I have to scrap the unit to upgrade and trust me if it gets to that point some reps at Onkyo are going to wish they called in sick that day rather then take my phone call. I was looking at the long term not the short term or I never would have bought the unit that is correct. Who knows I might have bought a Denon or some other brand. I am just keeping my fingers crossed that Onkyo is not going to give us the shaft. If they do we might want to band toghter and seek legal action at that point. I did make a copy of the webiste before they took the unit completely down. I also have the manuals as well. I do believe Onkyo might have lost money on the prodject but that does not let them off the hook by any means. Trust me I will be very vocal about getting another reciever if they do not do anything with the TX 1000

Charles,

I think we agree much more than we disagree. I will just chalk this confusion up to me not properly articulating myself. You say many things in your comments quoted above that I completely and wholeheartedly agree with.

I believe that in the end, we all expected more out of Onkyo with the 1000. Not because we dreamed this up, but because they advertised it as something more.

As far as any campaigns to get our voices heard, I will join in and do my part. I will admit though that I have never done this so I will defer to someone else to lead the pack.

I did receive a cookie cutter answer back to my previous e-mail to Onkyo. It was exactly what I expected them to say....it is discontinued and i have no knowledge of any new modules coming out.

I wrote back and told him my fears are being confirmed in that this unit may never get the upgrades that should have come in the spirit of their marketing and advertising. I also asked if he could look into what onkyo has planned for the 1000 owners and who i might be able to talk to if he doesn't get those answers.

I will not let this rest until someone gives me a more reasonable answer than the standard company line.

I am game for this so who will organize this? What are the costs involved etc.

I won't do it. I went through this in 2004 and have no energy left for yet another crusade. What I can tell you is that I spent a lot of time on it, did a lot of research, sent lots of e-mails, and made a lot of phone calls. Good luck!

R

I won't do it. I went through this in 2004 and have no energy left for yet another crusade. What I can tell you is that I spent a lot of time on it, did a lot of research, sent lots of e-mails, and made a lot of phone calls. Good luck!

R

So what happened back in 2004? I will give Onkyo a call tommorrow and ask for the manager of customer service. I will see what happens

So what happened back in 2004? I will give Onkyo a call tommorrow and ask for the manager of customer service. I will see what happens

Back in 2004 the Integra Research RDC-7 owners 'convinced' Onkyo to offer a trade-in program towards the new RDC-7.1. $2000 + the RDC-7 would give you a new base RDC-7.1.

R

I guess we will need to make history repeat itself...

Back in 2004 the Integra Research RDC-7 owners 'convinced' Onkyo to offer a trade-in program towards the new RDC-7.1. $2000 + the RDC-7 would give you a new base RDC-7.1.

R

So how did you convince them? Next we should also get the Integra 10.5 owners involved as well. The more I think about this whole thing the madder I get. I went to Integra website last night and I still could configure a 10.5. There was no mention of no future upgrades for the Integra at all on the website. So if some one gets one of these units they still have no idea what is going on until they try to purchase an upgrade card then they will find out none is available. In other words they lied to us.

Back in 2004 the Integra Research RDC-7 owners 'convinced' Onkyo to offer a trade-in program towards the new RDC-7.1. $2000 + the RDC-7 would give you a new base RDC-7.1.

R

Razvanel,

How did you feel about the deal Integra offered? Was it more or less than you expected from them?

How long from the start of your involvement until the deal was made did it take to get it all figured out?

Looks like Onkyo supported their 989 better than they ended up doing for the 1000.


The 989 was a nice receiver that I wanted some years back but decided not to buy.

Here goes:

I own the TX NR5000E and have used the NetTune lots of time, but not recently. This evening I wanted to check again and all I got was "Disconnected" on the mServer. Internet Radio did connect and got some radio stations, but none actually played any sound. I can ping the Onkyo via the PC, but my NetTune server just doesn't display the 5000E. No matter what I do, I end up with the same result. I have DHCP Enabled and the IP address as well as the mac address both show up in my router. I tried it with the XP firewall disabled etc etc.

So I went to a Dutch site and found new NetTune software. I had to, because I also tried installing NT3, but that was Japanese I guess and I didn't see any english words; just question marks. So I installed the Dutch download NT2 again and got the same results. I also saw an update for the Onkyo and ran that as well. This update has been discussed here last year. The update ran fine but now I don't see a version number for NetTune anymore in the 5000E.
I see; 82c.Net-Tune Ver.:-.--
Not sure anymore but I am pretty sure it always was 1.00 for this.
I switched off the unit completely so not only in stdby (without pulling the plug though).

So two things here:
- Where is my version number and is that normal.
- Why can't I connect to my PC running the NT Server??? This was also the case before I ran the update earlier this evening.

I did an extensive internet search but came up with nothing.

Please help!

Believe it or not, internet radio stations started going off the air because of higher fees now being charged on music royalties. Onkyo probably didn't believe it was worth the cost and pulled the plug. This started happening on or about 07/15/07.

Believe it or not, internet radio stations started going off the air because of higher fees now being charged on music royalties. Onkyo probably didn't believe it was worth the cost and pulled the plug. This started happening on or about 07/15/07.

That explains the iradio part, but still I can't connect to my own PC and lost my version number. What about that?

That explains the iradio part, but still I can't connect to my own PC and lost my version number. What about that?

OK, I guess it doesn't explain the iRadio part since after the update yesterday all of the stations I see in the iRadio lists are buffering and playing at nice quality. I tried lots of stations and all of them worked. The list is different from before the update. Before I saw the Genre "Dance" and now I don't anymore.

So, it appears that my receiver is connected and configured properly for network access. Why oh why is my mServer "Disconected" all the time.
I even installed Net-Tune on a different PC in the same network today and also with no luck in connection the receiver. When I start Net-Tune on both PC's, they can see eachother but at no time does the client appear in the loop. This is becomming frustrating.

Anybody here that can help me a bit further?

Here are the manuals for the two new Integra radio cards for the Integra DTR-10.5, Onkyo TX-NR1000 and Integra Research RDC-7.1. They ship the first week of August.

CHDSAT $300 (AM/FM/HD/RDS/XM/Sirius Radio):

http://www.mediafire.com/?6neliddeyjh

CSAT $200 (AM/FM/XM/Sirius Radio):

http://www.mediafire.com/?dbbzbebldxn


-E

So has anyone heard anything on a new flagship for Onkyo? I last heard that the 905? was going to be released in August, but it seems that this will not be the top of the line in this new series? Anyone have any info on all this?

egcarter? joerod?

I guess the 905 will be the interim "flagship" until they announce their "official" new one most likely next year. Unless we get a surprise and they announce it this fall. SO I guess I know nothing as of now to. Just speculation... :)

So has anyone heard anything on a new flagship for Onkyo? I last heard that the 905? was going to be released in August, but it seems that this will not be the top of the line in this new series? Anyone have any info on all this?

egcarter? joerod?

We're not expecting anything until next year...availability-wise, anyway. But, anything's possible!

-E

I can't wait to read the specs on it....

I can't wait to read the specs on it....

I hope the specs contain either the word "Futureproof" or "upgradeable"

I seriously doubt they ever will for a loooong time. :)

Hello,

What does everyone think about this opinion....

Since they did release a new card for the Satellite radio on the heels of an announcement of a new "flagship" receiver, do we think the cards for the 1000 will auto-magically work in the new receiver, whatever it is? Am I hitting the crack pipe too much?? :confused:

Mike

Hello,

What does everyone think about this opinion....

Since they did release a new card for the Satellite radio on the heels of an announcement of a new "flagship" receiver, do we think the cards for the 1000 will auto-magically work in the new receiver, whatever it is? Am I hitting the crack pipe too much?? :confused:

Mike
its anyones guess but the next one due to cost probably will not be card based
i hope i am wrong i thought it was one of the best ideas but considering the new
pre-pro is not i think it is a dead player.

its anyones guess but the next one due to cost probably will not be card based
i hope i am wrong i thought it was one of the best ideas but considering the new
pre-pro is not i think it is a dead player.

What cards are you talking about? There is no card for the NR1000 worth migrating. If Onkyo does not give us NR1000 owners a new flagship model for free I know for one thing I will not buy another Onkyo product at all. I am not getting not Sat card since my thinking is what for? So spend your money on something else is my advice no cards.

I seriously doubt they ever will for a loooong time. :)

I could care less about any new Onkyo products. If you spent over 4k for a new reciever then find out they are not going to make cards to upgrade the *worlds first hardware upgradeable reciever* what difference does it make. I could care less if they make the best reciever on the planet and it only costs 5 bucks, Onkyo is not going to see one thin dime from me unless they take back my NR1000 and give me the new flagship model. Heck I might even settle for the 905 as long as the sound is good.

Hello all,

I had previously owned the Onkyo Integra TX-DS838, The Onkyo Integra TX-DS939, and just bought the TX-NR1000 Silver about 25 days ago on close out for $1689. I made the mistake of selling my old and beautiful sounding 939 to my neighbor before I actually bought and listened to the 1000. What a mistake!!! The 939 has MUCH better bass, treble, low level detail, and clarity!!!

I returned the TX-NR1000 today for a full refund after spending a couple of hours reading about the lack of support from Onkyo and the lack of future upgradeability.

I was thinking about giving the Integra DTC 9.8 a try… Is this just the same preamp section with a few more bells and whistles thrown in or will I notice a real positive difference in sound quality VS the 1000? I listen to a lot of two channel audio and even if do I start to listen to more multi channel audio in the future I still think the sound quality is the most important thing. I really don’t want to go backwards in sound quality…

If you need a preamp then initial reports are the DTC-9.8 is a good choice. I have trouble understaning why anyone buys the NR1000 for preamp use.

If you need a preamp then initial reports are the DTC-9.8 is a good choice. I have trouble understaning why anyone buys the NR1000 for preamp use.


It was on close out and for a price of only $1689 I thought I would give it a try...

That price is to good to be true. Are you sure it wasn't a refurb?

that was a steal msrp was 3800.00 with basic cards.

I think "steal" was the key word. I bet it came from an eBAY seller!

Hello all,

I had previously owned the Onkyo Integra TX-DS838, The Onkyo Integra TX-DS939, and just bought the TX-NR1000 Silver about 25 days ago on close out for $1689. I made the mistake of selling my old and beautiful sounding 939 to my neighbor before I actually bought and listened to the 1000. What a mistake!!! The 939 has MUCH better bass, treble, low level detail, and clarity!!!

I returned the TX-NR1000 today for a full refund after spending a couple of hours reading about the lack of support from Onkyo and the lack of future upgradeability.

I was thinking about giving the Integra DTC 9.8 a try… Is this just the same preamp section with a few more bells and whistles thrown in or will I notice a real positive difference in sound quality VS the 1000? I listen to a lot of two channel audio and even if do I start to listen to more multi channel audio in the future I still think the sound quality is the most important thing. I really don’t want to go backwards in sound quality…
there must have been something wrong for the 939 sounding better i would have taken it back also my 10.5 integra same as the 1000 was better than the previous
989 just not night and day.

Oh yeah, the Tx1000 is still the best sounding receiver I ever had... :)

there must have been something wrong for the 939 sounding better i would have taken it back also my 10.5 integra same as the 1000 was better than the previous
989 just not night and day.




Sound quality wise the 939 is night and day better than both the 989 and the 1000.


The 1000 reminded me of the sound from my old 838.


One listen and you can tell the 939 is in a different league.

Sound quality wise the 939 is night and day better than both the 989 and the 1000.


The 1000 reminded me of the sound from my old 838.


One listen and you can tell the 939 is in a different league.
you are the first to have bad sq as the rest of the owners of this have had nothing
but good to say about power and sq we are just upset over the fact its not upgradable
to 1.3.

He is the first one to report bad sound Q out of the TX1000 and he also is probably the first one to get it for 1600 "new" on ebay...:rolleyes:

I can vouch for the fact that a TX-DS939 sounds great. I still have one, that I use in one of my setups. And considering that it's only a 5.1 AVR, it's build quality and weight of about 47lbs, would still put many of the newer upper end 7.1 AVR's to shame. And belive it or not, it was probably one of the first AVR's to have a automatic speaker setup routine that used a included microphone. No, it did not EQ the system for the speakers, it only automatically would set the proper distances. But even with only doing that, it was pretty much ahead of it's time. It's only real major flaw for it's time, was the lack of DTS.


http://www.smr-home-theatre.org/blowing/onkyo939/index.html

So this 5.1 AVR without DTS sounds better than the TX1000?

So this 5.1 AVR without DTS sounds better than the TX1000?

If you are only using the TX1000 as 5.1 and with DD, then there is absolutely no reason why it possibly could not.
He said that to him, that the sound quality of the TX-DS939 is better, he did not say that the features of it are.

And personally, I don't think that DTS is really any better than DD is. And that it's just usually mixed a bit different. And that many people prefer it, in a way much like they often pick the louder speakers when demoing speakers. But that alone does not automatically make the louder speakers better, nor does it make DTS better. It's only that is just what someone picks over the other.

He is the first one to report bad sound Q out of the TX1000 and he also is probably the first one to get it for 1600 "new" on ebay...:rolleyes:

I got it new at Fry's Electronics...

So this 5.1 AVR without DTS sounds better than the TX1000?

The 939 has a much better/cleaner sounding preamp section and better/cleaner sounding amplification too.

Yes, the 1000 has more watts, two more channels, HDMI switching, tone controls for all channels, built in notch filter, built in crossover, and many other features that the designers of the older 939 didn’t include, but the 939 still does have way better sound. Even when using external amplification for each receiver (taking the internal amplification out of the equation) the 939 still sounds much better than the 1000.

Really, I wanted to like the 1000, I already sold my 939; I think it's just that with the 989 and the 1000 Onkyo focused more on the toys/bells and whistles than the sound quality.

If I was never spoiled by the SQ of the 939 I am sure I would have been more than happy with the 1000, but after having owned the 939 I can not settle for inferior sound quality to gain more features. You know the whole reason we buy audio equipment, be it two channel or multi-channel, is for sound quality and atleast for me the quality of the sound has to come first.

Oh yeah, the Tx1000 is still the best sounding receiver I ever had... :)
i will have agree with you on this joe i look forward to the next one to see if it can
surpass my 10.5 in sq. i will buy a lot of things but for a company to build a more
expensive receiver with more modern dacs better power supply larger caps closer
tolerance electronics and it does not sound as good as a model built years earlier
ain't one of them.

The 1000 uses low negative feed back amplifiers and the 939 uses no negative feed back in the audio path, newer doesn't really matter. The 939 still does sound better; this is a fact.

The 939 has a much better/cleaner sounding preamp section and better/cleaner sounding amplification too.

The 939 is a classic. Another great sounding receiver is/was the Sony DA777ES. The Onkyo 1000 sound is nothing special, certainly not worth its $4000 MSRP. On a SQ scale from 1 to 10, I would give the Onkyo 939 a 9, the 1000 a 6.

R

I agree about the 1000. For the high $4900 retail asking price and all the hype it was a real disappointment.

I would say the 939 is a strong 8.

But I am now looking for a 9.5 to a 10; possibly an Integra 9.8?

I doubt it will be much over a mid 8, but I really hope it is better. I would love to have it surprise me...

At this time I am leaning towards a used Proceed AVP2 or the AVP2+6.

They told me there would be NO trade in program for owners of the NR TX 1000. Next I was told customer service could not do anything for me and sales would have to call me back since this is a sales issue. So gave them my work number and no call back. :mad:

They told me there would be NO trade in program for owners of the NR TX 1000. Next I was told customer service could not do anything for me and sales would have to call me back since this is a sales issue. So gave them my work number and no call back. :mad:

Their attitude makes me want to heap piles of money at them. I am so disgusted.

I guess we all need to call them. The louder we get the better chance we will have of getting something done. My turn today.

Yeah, I think its time i escalated to phone calls as well. A CS rep responded to an e-mail of mine a couple weeks back. I replied back to him but have not heard anything since. I figured as much. If my phone calls don't get me anywhere, i think its time to start sending snail mail. I have had good luck with that in the past.

Let the games begin!

The upgrade program is expected to be announced by the end of the month.

-E

Now that is great news! Onkyo will make a lot of folks very happy! :)

thats nice but i will keep my 10.5 the 8.8 's amp section does not look as powerful unless
there is a new flagship coming out.

thats nice but i will keep my 10.5 the 8.8 's amp section does not look as powerful unless
there is a new flagship coming out.

You are correct! It is not. An "upgrade" in this case will be a "downgrade" in many respects. I for one aren't that keen to do so!

-E

I called today & was told that they are still finalizing a trade in program for txnr 1000 owners

I called today & was told that they are still finalizing a trade in program for txnr 1000 owners
A trade in/trade up to what product?

The upgrade program is expected to be announced by the end of the month.

I suppose that the upgrade program is for the owners of the Onkyo 1000 and Integra 10.5 receivers and the Integra Research RDC-7.1 processor, is that correct? Last time only the IR owners got an upgrade program, the other flagship owners were left in the cold.

R

They said Info on specifics would be released when finnalized.

A trade in/trade up to what product?

We'll know the details when they announce the program. However, there are no new products that are comparable to what those card-based flagships can do in many aspects.

You'll get fancy new codecs and nifty "late-model" HDMI features, along with spiffy Audyssey capabilities, but they don't do everything the old ones do.

Caveat emptor.

-E

We'll know the details when they announce the program. However, there are no new products that are comparable to what those card-based flagships can do in many aspects.

You'll get fancy new codecs and nifty "late-model" HDMI features, along with spiffy Audyssey capabilities, but they don't do everything the old ones do.

Caveat emptor.

-E
kinda makes you wonder what surprise is instore at cedia this year a real replacement
for the 10.5/1000 besides showing the new hd-dvd player.

It might be an offer for the newer "flagship" coming next year....

kinda makes you wonder what surprise is instore at cedia this year a real replacement
for the 10.5/1000 besides showing the new hd-dvd player.

I don't think they'll show anything until next year. CEDIA will have the Integra HD DVD player and the new model of the DVD receiver.

-E

It might be an offer for the newer "flagship" coming next year....

That's what I was hoping for...

I don't think they'll show anything until next year. CEDIA will have the Integra HD DVD player and the new model of the DVD receiver.

-E

DVD receiver :confused:

We could always start flooding them with suggestions that the new trade in program should include the new flagship when it becomes available.

We'll know the details when they announce the program. However, there are no new products that are comparable to what those card-based flagships can do in many aspects.

You'll get fancy new codecs and nifty "late-model" HDMI features, along with spiffy Audyssey capabilities, but they don't do everything the old ones do.

Caveat emptor.

-E
Aaahhh.........The plot thickens.

Open the flood gates! :)

Hey, Eric or any other dealer-types, what's the best place to buy this card? I know Circuit City is a local "authorized dealer", but I really don't care too much for them, and am looking for an alternate source for this card. How about prices?
Thanks, guys, for any help you might give me on this.

Just bought a Newforce AVP-16 Pre/Pro. I have seperate amplification for all channels (Soundcraftsmen amplifiers). The sound is SO MUCH BETTER it's not even funny. No comparison in SQ to the 1000 at all. This thing is even light years ahead of my old 939 in SQ...

I heard Onkyo is coming out w/ a new flagship receiver and it's actually from the Future. They decided that was the best way to move forward from the TXNR1000.

Some have speculated that these receivers are not from the future, yet there is no proof otherwise. It's all hearsay until CEDIA :).

Sign me up! :)

Hopefully IFA or CEDIA will clarify a few things soon.

I am using a 905 until it does clear up...

i think i will wait a little longer to see what if any there is a new flagship. and to all those
that don't like the onkyo sound due to negative feedback they might want to read
the 10 greatest myths about audio from the audio critic.

I wrote to Onkyo asking when a new HDMI card would be introduced. Within one business day, I received a boilerplate response that "Currently no information was available. Any information would be posted on the web site."

I am not accepting the brush off any longer, so I responded in detail. It has only been one business day since I sent my response.

I will keep you all posted...

Their customer service probably has no clue what onkyo is going to do. I received the same a few months back...

Their customer service probably has no clue what onkyo is going to do. I received the same a few months back...

I agree with you, but I find that to be an unacceptable answer.

I asked that my concerns be escalated to a supervisor if the rep that answered my first email was not able to provide me with any more detail. I figure that if I am going to pursue this, which I am, I will need to show that I have tried get an answer from them.

Good point. I will try to escalate the matter as well.

I agree with you, but I find that to be an unacceptable answer.

I asked that my concerns be escalated to a supervisor if the rep that answered my first email was not able to provide me with any more detail. I figure that if I am going to pursue this, which I am, I will need to show that I have tried get an answer from them.

I did the same thing but have yet to see a response. It has been over a month. I just need to make some time and write a follow up letter.

First time posting on this thread, but as a concerned TX-NR1000 owner I agree that we need to be vocal with Onkyo on our disappointment with little or no transparency with regards to upgrades to our recievers.

I called one of the heads of their CS department, a very nice woman, who said that there is no information currently....but she mentioned that that did not mean anything wasn't coming soon. The way she was talking gave me the feeling that they are ready to announce something soon. She also seemed to be personally aware of the AVS forum members and their concerns. She took down my phone number and said that she would give me a call once they announce something.

I told her that CEDIA may very well be a "make or break" moment for TX-NR1000 owenrs and that if an announcement is not made, owners would become very vocal in a negative way. I told her that Onkyo should seize this final opportunity and at least announce something even if nothing is currently ready...at least assuage our fears

Here's hoping that something truly happens by CEDIA........

Good job! :)

and to all those
that don't like the onkyo sound due to negative feedback they might want to read
the 10 greatest myths about audio from the audio critic.


Read it long ago.

I am not really sure if applying minimal negative feedback or not applying any feedback at all caused a difference in the SQ; the fact still remains that the 1000 does NOT sound any where near as good as the decade old 939.

If the 1000 sounded as sweet as the 939 I would have kept it...

Lets look at the tech side of things:

The current HDMI slot cannot handle HDMI 1.1, it does not have any spare lines to carry the additional 3 I2S signals.

BUT.... The current HDMI slot used with a modified Multi Channel Input card could handle HDMI 1.1. The current Multi Channel input slot converts Analogue into PCM before sending it to the mainboard. In fact the slot even has Clock outputs for the LR and other channels to allow for other Sampling rates to be used. Onkyo would likely need to run a ribbon cable from Slot E to Slot L.


This means the following would be possible:

3 Audio Only HDMI 1.1 Inputs in Slot E - Unlikely

2 HDMI 1.1 Inputs and 1 Ouput in Slot L with a modified Multichannel card in Slot E

3 HDMI 1.1 inputs in Slot L and 2 HDMI 1.1 Inputs and 1 Ouput in Slot E (Total of 5 in 1 out but lose multichannel inputs)

In All cases the TX-NR1000 could handle 16-24bit 32-192Khz 7.1 PCM input over HDMI. Video processing can be improved with a Realta for example since the HDMI card is simply handed all raw Anlogue video for it to process onboard the card itself.

The point I'm making is that it is unlikely technical problems would prevent HDMI 1.1 from being implemented.

The only imminent announcement that I am aware of is the Upgrade Program.

Caveat Emptor!

-E

The only imminent announcement that I am aware of is the Upgrade Program.

Caveat Emptor!

-E

Those details have not yet been released. Correct?

Not yet... Hopefully we will hear something shortly... :)

Those details have not yet been released. Correct?

As of Friday, it's not "soup" yet!

-E

We are waiting today for Onkyo upgrade program...
IFA Berlin open today !!!

Xavier

Doubt we will see anything from IFA...CEDIA is probably our only shot.

For those of you who don't truly appreciate what your Onkyo TX-NR1000 or Integra DTR-10.5 can do (try this on an Onkyo TX-NR905 or Integra DTR-8.8!):

The card-based Onkyo/Integra receivers (TX-NR1000 & DTR-10.5) have SPEAKER A and SPEAKER B, two separate 7.1 systems run off of the same amps.

7.1 CH “Main A” Room & 7.1 CH “Main B” Room

1) Set all Speaker A speakers to “Main A”
2) Set all Speaker B speakers to “Main B”
3) Assign Video Output for “Monitor Out B”
4) Use “Main A” and “Main B” buttons on remote to toggle between
listening rooms.
5) Settings for speaker Impedance, Distance, Level, Crossover, etc.
can be set independently for each room (Main A and Main B)
6) User must be in respective location to view setup menu (Main A location
for Main A setup; Main B location for Main B setup).
7) As an alternative, Main A and Main B speaker can be setup with
other configurations- 7.1 CH Main A & 5.1CH Main B;
7.1 CH Main A & 2 CH Main B; 5.1 CH Main A & 5.1 CH Main B; etc.
NOTE: Both listening zones cannot be active at the same time.

- OR -

You can also have optimized systems for both 7.1 Movies and 5.1 Music thusly:

1) Set Speaker A and Speaker B Surround L/R to “Main A 2ch”
2) Wire Additional Surround L/R to Speaker B terminals
3) Set Listening Mode Preset to alternate between 5.1 or 7.1 systems based
upon DSP (i.e.- 5.1 for music-SACD, DVD-A; and 7.1 for movies – DTS, DD, THX).
4) Subwoofer Option- Install 2 Subs in room (1) Large “Boomy” sounding sub for movies
and (1) Small “Tight” sounding sub for music. Alternate between subwoofers
automatically based on Listening Mode Setup.


- OR -


Switch from 7.1 Main to 5.1 Main + Powered Zone 2 using Speaker A & B terminals.

1) Set all Speaker A to ”Main A”
2) Set Speaker B Surround Back L/R to “Powered Zone 2”
3) Wire Zone 2 speakers to Surround Back B terminals. DTR-10.5 will automatically
switch between Zone 2 speakers & Main Zone Surround Back L/R, without the need
for sacrificing 7.1 operation when Zone 2 is not used.

- OR -

Using bi-wiring for 5.1 theater & tactile transducers (i.e.- Butt Kickers™ type product)

1) Set Speaker A Surround Back to “Bi-Amp for Front”
2) Set front L/R Speaker Crossover to “Full Band”
3) Set Surround Back A speaker impedance to “4 ohms” (if applicable)
4) Wire tactile transducers to Surround Back Speaker B terminals.

- OR -


7.1 CH “Main A” Room with additional Surrounds and Subwoofer


This configuration is useful for providing additional coverage when the room is particularly long and/or large. Alternatively, an additional pair of Surround Back speakers can also be added.

1) Set all Speaker A speakers to “Main A”
2) Set Speaker B Surround L/R and Subwoofer to “Main A”
3) Assign “A+B” for Surround L/R Sp in applicable Listening Modes
Note: Minimum Impedance is 8 Ω when using “A+B” for Surround L/R in Listening Mode Setup. Distances, Levels, Crossover Points, etc. will be identical for all Surround L/R Speakers .


- OR -

Matched 7.1 CH “Main A” Room with additional Front L/R for Stereo Listening

Have the best of both worlds: a harmonically and timbre matched 7.1 Surround System as well as High Quality/Full Range front L/R Speakers for Stereo playback.
1) Set all Speaker A speakers to “Main A”
2) Set Front L/R Speaker B to “Main A”
3) Assign “A+B” for Surround L/R Sp in applicable Listening Modes
Note: Minimum Impedance is 8 Ω when using “A+B” for Surround L/R in Listening Mode Setup. Distances, Levels, and Crossover may be set independently for each Front L/R Speaker Pair


-E

Video processing can be improved with a Realta for example since the HDMI card is simply handed all raw Anlogue video for it to process onboard the card itself.

If you've seen the new Reon board for the new Onkyo/Integra receivers and processors, you know that it is unlikely that they will be able to shoehorn a Realta and associated electronics into the required space.

If you've seen the new Reon board for the new Onkyo/Integra receivers and processors, you know that it is unlikely that they will be able to shoehorn a Realta and associated electronics into the required space.

At this point in time, all I want is an HDMI board that can do audio. I'm sure they could do a 1.2 board.

As Eric posted (above your post) this receiver does a lot, and other than the ridiculous HDMI support, I am happy with it.

Exactly! That is all fine and dandy what the TX1000 can do that others can't but can it do audio over HDMI???

Exactly! That is all fine and dandy what the TX1000 can do that others can't but can it do audio over HDMI???

All I'm saying is "you win a few, you lose a few."

Think twice before ditching your card-based product, because the new generation does not offer the same level of flexibility and utility that the old flagships do.

-E

Gotcha! :) I know, they just don't make them like they used to... ;)

Onkyo needs to take their heads out of their asses, and get a new HDMI card to its flagship owners. Franky, at this point in time, they need to offer it for free.

Truth be told, if it weren't for the excellent support I have received from Eric, Onkyo would be history for me.

Additionally, kudos go out to people like Joe, Krobar, Oz and Raz who are always ready to help out too (sorry if I left anyone out!).

Thanks, we are all in this together... :)

Additionally, kudos go out to people like Joe, Krobar, Oz and Raz who are always ready to help out too (sorry if I left anyone out!).

If Onkyo was smart they would hire all these guys and we'd get this mess fixed in no time! :D


Best.........Carlo.

thanks we all want the same thing hdmi with audio i think 1.2 would have satisfied
80% of us or onkyo/integra could have introduced an hd player with 1394 and that
would have fixed it for half of us.in the end its been the best flagship sound and build
quality wise i have owned and the next one will have to meet some tough demands.

Well said Oz! Anything less from Onkyo/Integra/IR will simply not do. They need to show some care and respect for thier flagship owners. We are their biggest fans, who paid absorbent amounts of cash for the promise that the card cage design would carry us through the most significant development in our hobby in a decade. No other upgrade matters as much as this one, and they know it. I do believe that we should be shown some consideration as their highest level of customer and should be treated accordingly.

I do not claim to know the technical limitations regarding the practicality of implementing a HDMI 1.1 card that actually allows audio (wow, what a concept). However, not producing a high-def player with 1395 demonstrates a complete abandonment on their part of their most dedicated customers.

I can appreciate they're not yet knowing what solution they intend to offer, but a simple statement demonstrating their awareness and concern would go a long way at this point in time. A small sign that they intend to take some action in some form to make it right, would allow them to keep face and integrity in the public eye.

we enthusiastically gave you our money, now keep your promise!

Don't flame me, but I wonder why the Denon flagship is never referred to in this forum. It can also do all of the 2 x 7.1 stuff like the Onkyo and I think the new one even has hdmi 1.3. Extremely expensive but hey, so was my NR5000.
I had a choice and still bought the Onkyo replacing my 989 and I am very happy with it. Just wondering why because Denon seems to be equal in features and better in some other area's. Could be wrong though.

Don't flame me, but I wonder why the Denon flagship is never referred to in this forum. It can also do all of the 2 x 7.1 stuff like the Onkyo and I think the new one even has hdmi 1.3. Extremely expensive but hey, so was my NR5000.
I had a choice and still bought the Onkyo replacing my 989 and I am very happy with it. Just wondering why because Denon seems to be equal in features and better in some other area's. Could be wrong though.

Because this thread is about Onkyo?

Are you speaking of the gargantuan (and now also discontinued 5805?)

It was also much more than the NR1000/5000/DTR-10.5 as well. (over $2k more)

-E

I had a Denon 5803 back in the day. There, I mentioned Denon... :D

I had a Denon 5803 back in the day. There, I mentioned Denon... :D

that was a nice piece also.

Can anyone at CEDIA confirm with Onkyo that there will be no HDMI upgrade?

I wish that someone at cedia would confirm that there would be no more Onkyo..!

Maybe their "flagship's" should instead be sub's... sinks at release,
I just can't get it,,, still today,, the previous RDC 7.0 is a gr8 processor,
the RDC7.1 in many ways a very "current" and uptodate processor,,, I just wish they
supported their customers more and fullfilled their promises...


Sorry for the rambling and total lack of usable info in my post,
It IS raining today,, and Im still p.....d at onkyo/integra since 8 years or so...

I'm beginning to think an Ilink enable Bluray player might be the best us TX-NR1000/RDC-7.1 owners can hope for.

The VSX-09TX was shown at CEDIA and IFA, this has ILink inputs. The Bluray sister product to this amp is not ready yet but should have ILink outputs, release of the amp more or less confirms the photoshop pic of the Bluray player was legitimate.

In fact rewarding Pioneer for supporting Ilink seems a bettter idea than supporting Onkyo.

... In fact rewarding Pioneer for supporting Ilink seems a bettter idea than supporting Onkyo.

Excellent idea. It might even be enough to make me join the HD war ;)
I'm not sure which I feel more strongly about. I'll probably wait on the HD format war...

Forgive my ignorance, but would bandwidth over Ilink be an issue? If so, for what formats?

Bandwidth would not be an issue. Ilink on the TX-NR1000 can definitely handle 24/96 5.1 PCM and 24/192 Stereo PCM. The hardware can in fact handle 5.1 24/192 but I am unsure if the firmware understands this format (I hope to test this soon with the ILinkAVR Winamp plugin).

A decent Bluray or HDDVD player could decode Dolby Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS HD HR and DTS Master Audio to 5.1 PCM and pass it over ILink. The max these formats support is 24/192 5.1 so the TX-NR1000 could most likely handle all of them digitally without any quality loss. 7.1 over ILink with the TX-NR1000 is not possible though.

To Sum up, if you only need 5.1 support then ILink would be superrior to an HDMI 1.2 card (Same thing plus Flow Control and Daisy chaining).

and the fact you can daisy chain firewire its hard to run out of ports..

.

This is very encouraging news, which HDMI version?

At this point I would settle for any as long as it did audio and the Dolby TrueHD soundtracks! ;)

I'd hate to get my hopes up but, at this point, any news is good news.

Best.......Carlo.

I wish they would have had some formal announcement last week about it...

I wish they would have had some formal announcement last week about it...
I wish they had also but their track record does not inspire confidence. In any case if there is a new card, an upgrade plan or whatever I won't believe it until I see it. And even when I do see it, I'll have someone else take a picture so that way I'll be sure that it wasn't a mirage!:D

Carlo.

Hello all,

In a nutshell I was going to buy the 805,but my local store has a open box silver nr1000 (no remote,but the sales guy thinks he knows were it is) complete with warranty for $1265.00. any input would be great as I need to move fast (I have wife's ok for either) :confused:

I would highly recommend you grab the 805...I have both & all i've heard are empty promises of HDMI upgrade cards, trade-in programs, etc for the TX-NR1000...how this company has treated people who ponied up for their flagship receiver is appalling...if my 805 wasn't a gift, I would never have owned another Onkyo product...


Hello all,

In a nutshell I was going to buy the 805,but my local store has a open box silver nr1000 (no remote,but the sales guy thinks he knows were it is) complete with warranty for $1265.00. any input would be great as I need to move fast (I have wife's ok for either) :confused:

Hello all,

In a nutshell I was going to buy the 805,but my local store has a open box silver nr1000 (no remote,but the sales guy thinks he knows were it is) complete with warranty for $1265.00. any input would be great as I need to move fast (I have wife's ok for either) :confused:
if you have difficult speakers to drive and this meets your switching needs
then the price is right.

Well I went ahead and got the 1000,I have 30 days to see if I like it,so what the heck.any idea's where to get a remote? other than from onkyo or is anyone using a 3rd party one ie:pronto/phillps etc.

Well I went ahead and got the 1000,I have 30 days to see if I like it,so what the heck.any idea's where to get a remote? other than from onkyo or is anyone using a 3rd party one ie:pronto/phillps etc.

an mx-3000 will do all the remote function but it cost a 1000.00 and then
you pay for programing or order new remote from dealer.

Well I went ahead and got the 1000,I have 30 days to see if I like it,so what the heck.any idea's where to get a remote? other than from onkyo or is anyone using a 3rd party one ie:pronto/phillps etc.

How about here:

http://www.shoponkyo.com/products.cfm?group_id=6

They claim in-stock $135.00

Search Results:
Part number: Description: Price In-Stock
24140558 RC-558 $135.00 Yes add to cart

Great ..that's not too bad.Thanks
can I do some stuff from the front panel (don't want to buy one till I decide to keep it)

Great ..that's not too bad.Thanks
can I do some stuff from the front panel (don't want to buy one till I decide to keep it)

http://www.onkyousa.com/download/own_manuals.cfm?cat=Receiver

Download the manual pdf

Got that already..time to read

I wish they would have had some formal announcement last week about it...
I was waiting for the same joe ; maybe biojensen's info is all connected-

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=11264996#post11264996

Although I thought the 10.5 was not compatible with the 1.3 lossless decoders? only pcm :confused:Stringing us along nicely in any case:rolleyes:

the only thing i hear from our rep is the new tuner card and upcoming
hd-dvd player everything else is tight lipped.

the only thing i hear from our rep is the new tuner card and upcoming
hd-dvd player everything else is tight lipped.

Thanks oztech; I may use my 8 channel input card with the new sammy duo player If worse comes to worse :)fingers x'ed.

Thanks oztech; I may use my 8 channel input card with the new sammy duo player If worse comes to worse :)fingers x'ed.

thats what i am going to do as soon as i make a choice on hd-dvd or blu-ray.

All,

I have been e-mailing Onkyo at different times since last year about HDMI upgrade cards for the TX-NR1000. Some of you may have tried also. Most answers I have received were generic customer service responses (check the website, etc.)... until today.

My last email (6/15/07):

This unit was marketed as upgradable. Will Onkyo EVER come out with an HDMI 1.3 module? There are many owners waiting for this (see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=487602).

Response from Onkyo (9/15/07):

HDMI upgrade cards will (unfortunately) not be available.
While the card based platform of the TX-NR1000 has many advantages, unforeseen changes in DSP technology as well as requirements of new audio & video processing & connectivity does not allow us to develop any additional HDMI cards for this (these) systems.
Bob Elder

Again, thank you for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support, if you need further assistance feel free to call us at 800-229-1687 or visit our website ONKYOUSA.COM for product, catalogues, hookup diagrams, authorized dealer/service center locations, sales of new/refurbished products and
warranty information.

"New 2007 Onkyo Audio Products Coming Soon"

Product Support Team Hours of Operation:
Monday - Friday 9AM to 8PM EST
Saturday & Sunday 10AM to 4PM EST


The first line was bold text from Onkyo. So I guess they didn't plan for the future... but there are new products coming soon.

we all kinda guessed that would be the outcome when it was pulled from their current
model lineup but it is still a great unit and if you have the 7.1 analog inputs at least
you can enjoy the new audio formats as long as the player provides analog outputs.

All,

I have been e-mailing Onkyo at different times since last year about HDMI upgrade cards for the TX-NR1000. Some of you may have tried also. Most answers I have received were generic customer service responses (check the website, etc.)... until today.

My last email (6/15/07):

This unit was marketed as upgradable. Will Onkyo EVER come out with an HDMI 1.3 module? There are many owners waiting for this (see: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=487602).

Response from Onkyo (9/15/07):

HDMI upgrade cards will (unfortunately) not be available.
While the card based platform of the TX-NR1000 has many advantages, unforeseen changes in DSP technology as well as requirements of new audio & video processing & connectivity does not allow us to develop any additional HDMI cards for this (these) systems.
Bob Elder

Again, thank you for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support, if you need further assistance feel free to call us at 800-229-1687 or visit our website ONKYOUSA.COM for product, catalogues, hookup diagrams, authorized dealer/service center locations, sales of new/refurbished products and
warranty information.

"New 2007 Onkyo Audio Products Coming Soon"

Product Support Team Hours of Operation:
Monday - Friday 9AM to 8PM EST
Saturday & Sunday 10AM to 4PM EST


The first line was bold text from Onkyo. So I guess they didn't plan for the future... but there are new products coming soon.

BO**OCKS.... The Multichannel input slots combined with HDMI slots could manage 7.1 HDMI 1.1.

Onkyo just dont care enough about their flagship owners or previous marketing to create one.

Very bad news !

Thanks Onkyo !

They spoke about evolution ! Motherboard like PC...

Yesssssss !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well done Onkyo !

And don't forget Nostradamus. He would have waited and bought their 1/10th of the price 575 or 605 which have the HDMI cards we 1000 owners got screwed over! :mad:

that is BULL$#*(! Do I hear class action law suit?

Giddy up!

That's why I chose to go with Denon! Bought the 3808ci three weeks ago. I considered the 875 and the 905 but considering the way they treated customers who spent at least 4k for an "upgradable" reciever..........I don't think so! I'll never purchase Onky products.

Sorry for the bad news. I was surprised to get a definitive answer from Onkyo.

The "non-upgradable" Denon 5308CI is looking pretty good for what we spent on the TX-NR1000. I don't suppose Denon would offer competitive upgrades.:(


suzookryder,
That sounds interesting...

The upgradabilty claim (and Onkyo rep) was what made me pull the trigger on this unit. I never owned an Onkyo product before this.

well i still enjoy my 10.5 and would probably consider another onkyo/integra
when they have a real replacement for the 10.5/1000 the 905/8.8 ain't it for
me.

BO**OCKS.... The Multichannel input slots combined with HDMI slots could manage 7.1 HDMI 1.1.

Onkyo just dont care enough about their flagship owners or previous marketing to create one.

From what I heard, it seemed like they wanted all or nothing at all. HDMI 1.3, the new lossless codecs, etc. I said I would have been happy with just HDMI 1.1 or higher. I don't care about the new codecs...let the player decode it. I do get the new codecs via the MultiChannel inputs and my player's analog outs. Sounds great.

-E

From what I heard, it seemed like they wanted all or nothing at all. HDMI 1.3, the new lossless codecs, etc. I said I would have been happy with just HDMI 1.1 or higher. I don't care about the new codecs...let the player decode it. I do get the new codecs via the MultiChannel inputs and my player's analog outs. Sounds great.

-E

is the trade-in program dead?

R

Onkyo has done the flagship owners wrong. After the wait for 1.1, to be ditched for 1.2 to just throw their hands in the air and flip the owners the bird.

suzookryder, I think class action lawsuit would be justified, the biggest selling point of this unit was a lie. All companies understand nowadays, is when a huge chunk of money is taken *away* from them.

I though some of you might want to know what the best options are for Blu ray and HD DVD for the TX-NR1000:

1) Pioneer BDP-LX90 (All audio formats decoded to PCM and sent over ILink, SACD and DVD-A) Currently the only player on the cards that will allow full res digital audio transfer to the Onkyo but no release likely until Q1 (Profile 2.0).

=2) Samsung BD-UP5000, Bluray and HDDVD. 7.1 Analogue outputs decode of most if not all new formats to analogue. If you only need Blu then the BDP-1400 is the same sans HDDVD.

=2) Panasonic BDP-10A. Decodes all but DTS-HD MA to 7.1 Analogues, supports DVD-A.

The Onkyo HDDVD player only offer 5.1 analogues and does not decode any of the high res DTS tracks. If you use the Analogues and HDMI then any improvements it has over the Toshiba HD-XA2 are unused so you might as well buy the cheaper Toshiba. In general most other players are 5.1 analogue out only.

All,

Today I received a followup e-mail from Bob Elder at Onkyo:

Unfortunately, HDMI upgrade cards will not be available for this unit due to unforeseen changes in DSP Technology as requirements of new audio and video processing and connectivity does not allow us to develop any additional HDMI cards. Onkyo USA may continue to develop new cards for this (legacy) product as market conditions and technology permits. We do have a replacement/upgrade program available for our customers with this unit. If you are interested in this program please contact us know and we will provide details and process the transaction for you.
We are offering TX-NR905 or PR-SC885P for an additional cost and proof of purchase:
TX-NR905: Unit in warranty $900.00
Unit out of warranty $1100.00
PR-SC885P: Unit in warranty $700.00
Unit out of warranty $900.00
Bob Elder
Again, thank you for contacting Onkyo USA Product Support, if you need further assistance feel free to call us at 800-229-1687 or visit our website ONKYOUSA.COM for product, catalogues, hookup diagrams, authorized dealer/service center locations, sales of new/refurbished products and
warranty information.

"New 2007 Onkyo Audio Products Coming Soon"

Product Support Team Hours of Operation:
Monday - Friday 9AM to 8PM EST
Saturday & Sunday 10AM to 4PM EST

To all,

I received the same email today. It sounds like a bad deal to me:( What does everybody else think?

mrbugs

mrbugs,

I don't think it's a great deal. The TX-NR1000 was twice the price of the TX-NR905. But, if you buy their only upgrade card for XM, Sirius, and HD radio that is a $350 to $400 item (I haven't). If they did offer an HDMI upgrade, I would think it would be at least $400 or more. The Reon HQV chipset is another feature on the 905 (not Realta, but still good). Most external DSPs with Silicon Optix chipsets are $2000.00 plus. DTS-HD decoder, Dolby TrueHD decoders. Some other features.

I guess it would depend on what value you would find in the newer features of the 905.

Albatross,

I think I will wait to see what others are going to do with this offer. It seems to me that Onkyo is trying to make this nightmare go away as fast as possible before a lawsuit is filed.

mrbugs

I agree. I would like to see others take on this.

I have the 905 and it is a nice receiver with plenty of new features. I don't know if it is worth 4999 msrp like the TX1000 though. I like having the HDMI with the reon chip. Also 4 in and 2 out is also a nice option. Anyway, I can't tell you what to do but the 905 goes great with Blu ray and HD DVD players...

joerod,

In your opinion is the 905 equal to the 1000 in build quality and sound. It's hard to beat the sound quality of the 1000. Any word on when a new flagship receiver will be out.

Thanks, mrbugs

Not in build quality. You are comparing 72.8 pounds to 54 pounds. The TX1000 is put together nicely. Now in terms of sound quality I would say using COAX and OPTICAL the TX1000 wins. Of course I am hardly using them anymore so I am becoming more and more partial to HDMI for sound. Dolby TrueHD and those uncompressed movie soundtrack's(from using HDMI on the 905) sound every bit as good as the TX1000 using COAX or OPTICAL. I really want the advanced newer codecs so the 905 is the way to go for me. And soon I can see the display light up Dolby TrueHD with the new Pioneer Blu ray and HD DVD players coming... If there was not any newer audio codecs then the TX1000 would easily get my vote. Since there is however I wanted something that would work well with my Blu ray and HD DVD players. And the 905 with HDMI using the HQV REON chip for scaling, Audyssey and also the much improved OSD makes it more than worth it. I would be very tempted to trade up. In fact I would... ;)

joerod,

Your reply does make alot of sense concerning sound quality with hdmi versus optical. I guess we will all have to decide if this is a good offer or not. Every time I think of how much I spent on this flagship "futureproof" receiver, with no ability to upgrade the hdmi card it makes me :mad: Before I decide what to do I will see what others also have to say.

Thanks for the info, mrbugs

yeah that almost 20lbs difference is amps and case.

I admit it is very disheartening but at least they are offering something. I would much rather them offer a good trade in now for the 905 then wait until next year sometime for a new flagship which will end up being outdated with in 2 years anyhow. The 905 is a good investment for us. It is not as much as the TX1000 so we can always get a newer one without losing our shirts. The 905 is very good and near the quality of the tx1000. If you were to try one you would not be dissapointed. Especially in a combo with the Pioneer 94HD or XA2. Being able to send 1080p/23.98 thru it with the new audio is awesome. Plus you can send in 1080i and have the 905 deinterlace it to 1080p with remarkable results. And of course it does magic with 480i sources. As you can see I am a fan of the 905. I will admit that I have been hearing some crazy fans during some of the football games the past few weeks and I did not hear them with the tx1000. Maybe the broadcast has changed, whatever reason the 905 does an even better job with some of the DSPs. I especially like Ultra2 cinema for Dolby TrueHD sources. That is the sweet spot! :)

Keep the 1000/10.5/7.1!

Not a good, cost-effective deal. Add a 905 if you like, but most of this is about HDMI, no? Buy a nice HDMI switcher and pocket the big difference in $$. You do get the Reon, which is great.

BTW, there is a similar deal for Integra DTR-10.5 and Integra Research RDC-7.1 owners for the DTR-8.8 ($1000 in warr./$1300 out of warr.) and DTC-9.8 ($700 in warr./$1000 out of warr.).

All of the DTR-10.5's are in warranty if you are the original owner, since it's a 3 year term and they haven't been shipping for 3 years yet.


-E

Onkyo is making me angrier by the day!

We can trade in our $4999 receiver plus an additional $900 for a receiver that you can find online for around $1500? Sweet deal if I'm an idiot Onkyo! In fact as they start shipping a bunch more units the price will fall even harder. Hell, I might as well spend $1500 and keep the NR1000 for the bedroom because $600 for it isn't worth my time. We bought a limited and exclusive receiver that was expensive due tro its future upgradability, now they want to offer us the uper tier of a mass marketed receiver with newer bells an whistles. Sorry Onkyo, not taking the bait

Bottom line: We need a real offer for a real replacement flagship!

Bob Elder and all of Onkyo - you're letting us all down - time to make things right before we have to take action.....where's our Flagship replacement?

The price won't fall more...they're almost giving them away at those prices...

Keep your card-based unit!

-E

Onkyo is making me angrier by the day!

We can trade in our $4999 receiver plus an additional $900 for a receiver that you can find online for around $1500? Sweet deal if I'm an idiot Onkyo! In fact as they start shipping a bunch more units the price will fall even harder. Hell, I might as well spend $1500 and keep the NR1000 for the bedroom because $600 for it isn't worth my time. We bought a limited and exclusive receiver that was expensive due tro its future upgradability, now they want to offer us the uper tier of a mass marketed receiver with newer bells an whistles. Sorry Onkyo, not taking the bait

Bottom line: We need a real offer for a real replacement flagship!

Bob Elder and all of Onkyo - you're letting us all down - time to make things right before we have to take action.....where's our Flagship replacement?

Any trade in / upgrade should be flagship receiver for the new flagship receiver!!!! Period. We are NOT trading DOWN!!! NO DOWNGRADES!!!! If you had purchased any item which was the top-of-the-line, and you later found out that it couldn't do the things that were promised , and a new top-of the-line model which could do those things was coming out, you would want a trade-in/upgrade to the new top-of the-line unit. You would NOT want a trade in to a lower end model costing less than half what you paid for originally. The overall build quality would not be the same, and overall features would not be the same.


It is not our fault that Onkyo was not forward thinking enough to design the unit to accommodate future technology. Wasn't THAT the whole point of their plug in card design??? Wasn't that the whole point of ALL of their advertising campaign????

The fact that the HDMI circuitry is on a card rather than built on the motherboard implies that it would be upgradable.

For Onkyo to suggest that the problem is technology changes that they could not foresee is pure garbage. When any new technology comes out there is the current version and the future direction of change. They built their system with no thought to the future. HDMI was always envisioned to be video and audio in a single cable. They sold a unit with an obsolete design but kept advertising it as future proof and upgradeable. That is deceptive and fraudlent!!!!

I think that at the present time we have several courses of action:

1: Cave to Onkyo and either accept their trade-in plan, sell on E-Bay or do nothing. WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!

2: Continue to complain to Onkyo demanding a trade-in/ Upgrade to the new flagship when it comes out. Maybe this will work.

3. Contact the attorney general in your state to complain about deceptive ,fraudulent advertising and business practices by Onkyo. The minute that they knew that they could not provide an upgrade HDMI because of design limitations in their unit they had to cease all advertisements which proclaimed future upgradability. To continue to run ads at that point is deceptive, fradulent and illegal.

4. Contact the Postmaster General about the deceptive ads. I received my Sound and Vision in the mail. Fraudulent advertising by mail is mail fraud, a federal offense.

5. Class action lawsuit.

I plan on contacting my attorney about actions 3, 4 and 5. I still have my old issues of Sound and Vision and the review in S&V which prompted me to buy the 1000.

One last question. Since the TX-NR1000 is basically a computer, why can't they simply swap out the motherboard with the audio chips, codecs etc. and replace it with a new motherboard using the same case and layout, and then offer a new HDMI card??????

I think that there is NO reason why they can't do that.

I'll keep you posted after I speak to my attorney

Mike, you couldn't have put it any better...

Time to take a stand with Onkyo - they are absolutely horrible in keeping us updated with any type of information. They offer laughable "upgrades" and trade-in program. All of this to their customers who were willing to cough-up considerable cash for empty promises.

I will love to hear how your meeting goes with your lawyer

I came here to post my email, and I see that others have received it too. Someone asked what everyone thought of the deal, and I decided to skip to the end, and post my reaction after five hours of "digesting" it.

First a question: It is not clear to me if Onkyo's offer requires me to give back my "flagship" NR-1000, then pay more money for a model that is clearly not their flagship, or if this a courtesy discount on the purchase of a newer Onkyo model (becasue they didn't deliver on their original promise)?

If this deal requires me to surrender my NR-1000, then...

This is one of the worst deals I have ever been offered.

In fact, I find it offensive that this deal would even be offered up as a solution to the complex situation Onkyo is in with their flagship owners.

Onkyo is in a bad place as they continue to alienate their "heavy consumers". We were clearly mislead, and the TX-NR100 was falsely advertised. This really screams class action lawsuit, and I'm not a "sue you" kind of guy...

Onkyo advertised, and I bought. Onkyo can't deliver on their promise, so take the product back, and refund my money.

The support guys seem to think you do need to give up your original unit. I will inquire further to clarify this. If you do NOT, then it's not bad. If you do, then "feh". I can tell you that those prices are indeed significantly below dealer cost for the new items.

-E

I came here to post my email, and I see that others have received it too. Someone asked what everyone thought of the deal, and I decided to skip to the end, and post my reaction after five hours of "digesting" it.

First a question: It is not clear to me if Onkyo's offer requires me to give back my "flagship" NR-1000, then pay more money for a model that is clearly not their flagship, or if this a courtesy discount on the purchase of a newer Onkyo model (becasue they didn't deliver on their original promise)?

If this deal requires me to surrender my NR-1000, then...

This is one of the worst deals I have ever been offered.

In fact, I find it offensive that this deal would even be offered up as a solution to the complex situation Onkyo is in with their flagship owners.

Onkyo is in a bad place as they continue to alienate their "heavy consumers". We were clearly mislead, and the TX-NR100 was falsely advertised. This really screams class action lawsuit, and I'm not a "sue you" kind of guy...

Onkyo advertised, and I bought. Onkyo can't deliver on their promise, so take the product back, and refund my money.