I have had this receiver now for a few weeks and can say it is capable at handling anything you throw at it. I use an Onkyo SP 1000 (iLINK) and a JVC HM DH 5U with it. Plus an X BOX, Sony dvd recorder and an HD Tivo! So far it has been a piece of cake to setup. I really like how you can customize your OSD inputs to say anything you want. Before I owned a Denon 5803(A) and can say I feel as though I did upgrade in sound! Movies sound so close and real that it is frightening. The iLINK connection between the SP 1000 and the NR 1000 makes playing both SACDs, and DVD-Audio a NO-brainer. And the back of the receiver is well laid out making connections painless. For the price it is pretty expensive, many will say go seperates! But if you want to keep it simple, it is a good way to go! Besides the denon 5805 (marked to high in my opinion) runs for considerbly more...And with the Onkyo weighing 80 plus pounds, with many types of inputs, HDMI switching, and upgrade ability, I find it to be a bargain compared to the 5805. Paired with its brother the SP1000, they are a perfect match! You get Flex O Scaling(perfect picture), with heart thumping SOUND...I have yet to watch a movie that I wasn't totaly immersed...

Thanks for the mini review Joerod.

Are the owners of the equivilent Integra and Integra Research products allowed in this thread?

Sure, why not, they are all practicallly the same anyhow. Another really conveinant and cool option is the ability to switch to the different sound For example, if you want to add THX processing to any of your signals, you hit one button, and it is added. Same for DDPLIIx, DTS Neo6 and others, hit one button without having to go to a setup menu. Same for level changing of individual speakers. Hit one button on the remote, and then either up or down to change the speakers output. Nice! I also like how you can view the NR 1000's setup menu on any output(component, S video, composite, or even HDMI)...I found it very helpful being able to do adjustments when watching a dvd on the SP1000. And there are plenty adjustment options for you. You can set bass and treble for each speaker, and you can make adjustments if there is to much treble in the soundtrack by one hit on the remote! There is a lot of nice options on this receiver, but the SOUND it produces is probably the best. It deserves a look if you are looking for an ultimate-flagship receiver...

joerod

Does the NR1000 rec. has room correction built in. What type of audio calibration feature does this rec. have? How is the HDMI switching is the PQ the same as no switching. Thanks in advance for your response

Aloha Glen

Originally posted by joerod
I also like how you can view the NR 1000's setup menu on any output(component, S video, composite, or even HDMI)

Maybe I got a defective unit or am just an idiot but one of the frustrating things I've encountered is I cannot get the setup menu to show up on my tv. Is there a procedure that I missed?

I have a LG 3200A satellite tuner connected to the Onkyo via a DVI - HDMI cable and I have my Pioneer 59avi dvd player hooked up to the Onkyo via HDMI. I then have a HDMI - DVI cable going to my NEC 50XM4 plasma.

WDSAV- it has FLAWLESS HDMI switching(mine even goes to DVI). It does have a ton of room setup options. It doesn't have a builtin sound meter, I never have used one anyway. I like the old fashioned radioshack soundmeter. The pep-to get it on your tv the first time it is easier to run a component out to your display, or s-cable or composite. Then you can switch it to display over other outputs. It is really nice, PM mail if you need more help....JoeRod

I'd be very interested to know how this unit stacks up against the Theta Casablanca ...

As far as Flagship receivers go, I would stack it up against any of the others. One other note, the special ENHANCE DSP mode makes football games sound like you are in the stadium!!! This year's Superbowl party is going to be alot more fun....

Originally posted by joerod
As far as Flagship receivers go, I would stack it up against any of the others. One other note, the special ENHANCE DSP mode makes football games sound like you are in the stadium!!! This year's Superbowl party is going to be alot more fun....

Thanks for that tip!!! I'm gonna have a big Superbowl party and will check this DSP option on Sundays games.

No problem! Talking to one of Onkyo's head engineers he basicly said they created the ENHANCE DSP mode for sports. Sometimes, depending on where the game is being played, you can hear the QB bark out the signals. Now that is pretty cool. Also try TV logic for sitcoms. Like Everybody Loves Ramon, or King of Queens, or Seinfield (reruns), this mode puts you in the studio audience. Your center handles the dialogue, while the surrounds handle the rest. And if there is studio laughing, that happens behind you!!!

I will chime in to what joerod says. I'm an Integra dealer and we have an Integra DTR-10.5 (the equivalent of the TX-NR1000) for our demo theatre along with the DPS-10.5 DVD player...WOW. All of the possible tweaks will actually make your head spin if you want to use them.

Looks great, sounds great...superb. Using iLink for the audio and HDMI for the video...HDMI to the SIM2 projector as well. Plop in an SACD or DVD-Audio, it immediately recognizes the format, says "SACD" or "DVD-AUDIO" on the receiver display and you have the full spread, all digitally.

Had no problem with the OSD on the projector...pops up right away. Net-Tune works just fine, whether it is Internet Radio or from our in-house server with about 9000 songs. Interface for Net-Tune is kinda clunky and there are some enhancements that we have on our wish list, but it sounds terrific.

Just put a DTR-10.5 into a client's house with a SIM2 HDMI projector. Only problem was the darn Denon DVD2910 player and that green push. Firmware upgrade along with choosing the HDMI Y Pb Pr setting on the player fixed that.

Eric

Eric,

Have you heard any rumors regarding room correction for Onkyo/Integra/IR? This seems to be the one feature missing, now that HK and Marantz have joined Yamaha, Denon, Pio with some form of RC. For higher end stuff, both Lex and Meridian are offering there own (obviously more advanced) forms of RC as well. If its true that the Onkyo/Integra/IR have two of the new TI DSP's it would seem they would have plenty of power available. I am mainly interested in the RDC 7.1, and with the features and connectivity available some form of RC would seem to be the only thing missing.

Enigma,

I have heard rumors that there may be a Room Correction card introduced in the Spring along with the XM Radio card and something else, but nothing has been confirmed.

Eric

This receiver is ridiculously amazing. I wish it didn't cost over 4 beans, though. This sadly puts this monster way into fantasy land for me. :(

I to have heard there will be a new card upgrade by April or May. This is why I felt co compelled to purchase this unit. The upgrading without upgrading receiver concept is a much needed shot in the arm for the electronics industry...

Originally posted by joerod
I to have heard there will be a new card upgrade by April or May. This is why I felt co compelled to purchase this unit. The upgrading without upgrading receiver concept is a much needed shot in the arm for the electronics industry...

That's one of the reasons where I can see why a price like this is somewhat justified. Barring an outright paradigm shift in the industry, theoretically, you should be sent for a LOOOOONG time with this receiver. Perhaps indefinitely.

Ballpark, how much does a "card swap/upgrade" cost? Or is it yours by rights, since you already threw down over 4 large for the unit in the first place?

If it works out, it's certainly a very compelling model of how to run things.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
That's one of the reasons where I can see why a price like this is somewhat justified. Barring an outright paradigm shift in the industry, theoretically, you should be sent for a LOOOOONG time with this receiver. Perhaps indefinitely.

Ballpark, how much does a "card swap/upgrade" cost? Or is it yours by rights, since you already threw down over 4 large for the unit in the first place?

If it works out, it's certainly a very compelling model of how to run things.

The card prices vary wildly. The following prices were converted from official Jap Integra Research retail prices (USA street is a bit cheaper - Onkyo and Integra share modules):
Base Video Module - $300
HDMI Module - $500
D4 Module - $200 (Japan Only Probably)
Compnent BNC Module - $150
Component RCA Module - $100
Net Tune Module - $200
AMFM Module - $100
AES/EBU/Multi Channel Module - $150ish (I was quoted discounted - Included in Japan)
Double MultiChannel Input Module - $100 (Educated Guess - Not Available in Japan)

This is the current state of module rumours:
Sirius Radio Module (Likely)
XM Radio Module (Likely)
HDMI 1.1 Module (Almost Certain)
Room Correction Module (Rumour Only)
DAB Radio Module ("Under Consideration" - Likely Europe.Middle East Only)

Very impressive.

When you buy it, what does it come with already? (Which card?)

Or those things you list each seperate cards, and I'd have to make one choice out of all of those things, or can I swap and add numberous items like those, if I felt like it?

What's the difference between HDMi vs. HDMI 1.1?

Q,

The list above applies to the IR RDC-7.1.

Heres what is included as standard for each model:

RDC-7.1 - Analogue Audio, Digital Audio & I-Link Modules

DTR-10.5 - Analogue Audio, Digital Audio, AMFM & Base Video Modules

TX-NR1000 - Analogue Audio, Digital Audio, AMFM, I-Link, Net Tune, Double Multichannel Input, RCA Component, HDMI & Base Video Modules

What is worth noting is the Onkyo is NOT customisable like the other two, all slots are full. What will most likely be available to Onkyo users is an upgrade to the next revision. For example if the HDMI 1.1 modules is released then Onkyo will likely offer the NR1000 with it and probably offer an upgrade for existing users (Swap old HDMI 1.0 card for new 1.1 card).

As you can probably see the NR1000 is the value for money option but the DTR-10.5 can offer things like AES/EBU and BNC component connectors if the user requires them. There are also some small tweaks applies to the DTR-10.5.

What can go in what slot seems to be limited more by the firmware than hardware. At first I thought only similar cards can use the same slot (Eg. Only Component BNC or RCA in one of the slots) but in Japan the RDC-7.1 can take either AMFM or D4 module in same slots (These modules are not at all similar). Numerous items is so far not possible probably due to firmware restrictions.

I've been waiting for this receiver to come out, have consulted the manual, and am unclear on a few items so would like to ask you a few questions if you don't mind.

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It appears in the manual that it is possible to have all video inputs (composite, s-video, component & HDMI) converted and sent to the HDMI output. Is this correct?
I currently have a 7.1 setup and prefer when listing to SACD/DVD-A to eliminate the side L/R surrounds and send these outputs to my R/L rear surrounds. In essence, eliminate the rear surround channels and re-map the side-surround outputs to the rear speakers. Is this possible using an i.Link connection into the NR1000?
Since your using an i.Link connection, can you confirm that the NR1000 is properly applying bass management and time/distance compensation to SACD's? The time compensation in particular seems to be an over site for a lot of equipment.
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Thanks in advance to anyone taking the time to respond.

Yes, all video can be displayed thru the HDMI. I haven't ever done that for the iLINK connection so I will have to get back to you on that one. I have had no problems with TA or bass management whatssoever.

Wow. You all are doing an excellent job in making me consider taking a very drastic and rash action. 0_0 I think I'd better ban myself from this thread pretty soon! :D

VERY impressed!

Now, since this card swapping idea is fairly new and all, have any of you heard, seen, or encountered any kind of bugs or issues yet at all with this unit?

Originally posted by joerod
Yes, all video can be displayed thru the HDMI. I haven't ever done that for the iLINK connection so I will have to get back to you on that one. I have had no problems with TA or bass management whatssoever.

Thanks for the quick response Joerod. Looking forward to your follow-up on the speaker mapping. May have to do some shopping this weekend
:D

Yes Jones, In all the optical, coax, and iLINK inputs, you have a ton of different speaker options. In the manual it also talks about rerouting the speakers (sides to rears). I have been playing with the NR 1000 all afternoon. So ask me any question, TX NR1000 101 is in....Happy New Year everybody!!!

So the NR1000 is now available to be purchased. For sure.

Joe, since it's so early in the ballgame, have you seen or heard about any kind of bugs or glitches yet? This is some new technology in a lot of ways being dealt with here. Especially the ability to "swap cards."

So far not a single one! That is not to say there aren't any, but so far so good! We may discover one during card module upgrade time...But who's to know ofr sure....?

joerod,

I'm not sure that it will do quite what Jeff is thinking of. I went through the options on my DTR-10.5 (and the manual) and yes, you have control over what speakers are active and not tailoring to each input mode, but I don't see anything about routing the sides to the rears. You can activate the Speaker A and B terminals independently, you can bi-amp, all sorts of things, but not route sides to rears. Can you tell me where you saw this in the manual?

One thing you might want to try when using DVD-Audio or SACD is DPLIIX DTS, Neo:6M or THX Ultra2 Music mode (which gets 7.1 from 5.1 sources) and turn off the sides. This will not produce the same result, but might prove "interesting."

As for bugs, I have found one that I have dealt with twice now. The receiver and my DPS-10.5 DVD player seem to lose contact over iLink and there is no audio. This has never happened while actually watching/listening to something. We popped in a DVD of CASABLANCA last night and there was just no audio from the get-go. The workaround is to turn both units off, then on. They do a "LINK-CHECK" on the displays, then the IEEE1394 lights up under AUDIO SIGNAL and it's fine.

Eric

Egcarter-
If I may chime in, that problem you are having certainly sounds like a firmware bug of some sort. It might be on the DPS-10.5 side of the fence.

Crunchyriff,

I have already reported this iLink issue to Onkyo USA...time will tell...

This DPS-10.5 has the 1.20 firmware, too.

Eric

As I recall from the manual, you can do separate setups for main room speakers A and B. You could set speakers B to sides=none and use that for DVD-A/SACD. I think. Maybe. ;)

egcarter you are right. About the speaker settings, I may have misunderstood the question, I was thinking about the rerouting that is explained in the manual. Oh, and the funny thing is I just had the audio loss when I paused a movie and then went to setup menu. The receiver was stuck in PCM mode, I had to unplug both to get it back! This is the first real bug discovered, good job. This is the first time out of 20 movies or so though...

catapult,

But wouldn't you have to have an extra set of speakers? Yes, it can handle two entire 7.1 setups, but I don't think that Jeff wants to add additional speakers to the system.

Eric

Originally posted by joerod
I just had the audio loss when I paused a movie and then went to setup menu. The receiver was stuck in PCM mode, I had to unplug both to get it back!

Did it happen when you used iLink?

R

Yes it was, and I had the OSD mode on while watching a dvd (thru HDMI). I am not sure if that was irrelevant or not though. It went out (audio) when I tried to exit the OSD mode. I am testing more and trying to see what causes it primarily. I do not see it being a huge problem, but something that needs to be looked at atleast. Egcarter and catapult I am not sure what he is trying to do with his speakers(jones). But I can't see the TX NR1000 not accomodating anyone and their setup!

Originally posted by joerod
Yes it was, and I had the OSD mode on while watching a dvd (thru HDMI). I am not sure if that was irrelevant or not though. It went out (audio) when I tried to exit the OSD mode.

Probably a software bug.

R

Earlier in the thread, I noticed someone listed prices for currently available modules. The Onkyo comes with a module that has inputs for two HDMI connections. Could we take out one of the modules such as the internet net tune module and replace with another HDMI module and have 4 HDMI inputs?

Mark

Originally posted by markjl
Earlier in the thread, I noticed someone listed prices for currently available modules. The Onkyo comes with a module that has inputs for two HDMI connections. Could we take out one of the modules such as the internet net tune module and replace with another HDMI module and have 4 HDMI inputs?

Mark

Currently I dont think that is possible. As explained earlier it is most likely the firmware that prevents this. You have less chance with the Onkyo since anything outside of the standard config is completely unsupported and probably wont work (Its the Integra profucts which support multiple configs).

Originally posted by Krobar
You have less chance with the Onkyo since anything outside of the standard config is completely unsupported and probably wont work (Its the Integra profucts which support multiple configs).

How do you know that? I thought that the Onkyo and Integra receivers were basically the same receiver.

R

Not to get too off topic, but does anyone think that the card swapping capability will allow the receiver to one day support the DD+/DTS+ HD audio formats?

Originally posted by Razvanel
How do you know that? I thought that the Onkyo and Integra receivers were basically the same receiver.

R

They are very similar. Notice that Onkyo make no claims to being able to use the current Integra modules in the Onkyo and wouldnt be surprised if they make sure they dont work since I would suspect that want to keep the markets seperated. The lack of control over Onkyo dealers compared to Integra would mean Internet suppliers would be posting out modules and users opening up and sometimes damaging their NR1000s, it could lead to a warranty nightmare for Onkyo. Integra however is mainly installed or sold from local brick and mortar stores (Authorised dealers), users would simply drive to their local dealer or call the installer back in to install the upgrade.

Originally posted by Shag1077
Not to get too off topic, but does anyone think that the card swapping capability will allow the receiver to one day support the DD+/DTS+ HD audio formats?

It might not even need a new card but Im only guessing. AFAIK the Onkyo is using dual TI TMS320C67x DSPs which most likely have quite a bit of spare processing power in the current config.

Originally posted by Krobar
The lack of control over Onkyo dealers compared to Integra would mean Internet suppliers would be posting out modules and users opening up and sometimes damaging their NR1000s, it could lead to a warranty nightmare for Onkyo.

The cards/modules are user installable. I haven't looked at the Onkyo manual but the Integra manual tells you how to do it, it's very easy.

R

Originally posted by Shag1077
Not to get too off topic, but does anyone think that the card swapping capability will allow the receiver to one day support the DD+/DTS+ HD audio formats?

According to an Integra Research/Integra dealer I spoke to two weeks ago Integra told him that all 3 flagships - the Onkyo and Integra receivers and the Integra Research processor - are ready for and will get the new DTS and DD formats.

R

Originally posted by Razvanel
The cards/modules are user installable. I haven't looked at the Onkyo manual but the Integra manual tells you how to do it, it's very easy.

R

Oops my mistake the Integra manual does tell you how, the Onkyo manual does not though.

Originally posted by egcarter

I have already reported this iLink issue to Onkyo USA...time will tell...


Eric,

How responsive is Onkyo to bugs reported by their dealers? Do yo think that they'll fix the bug? This is what another dealer wrote at www.audioholics.com:

"I was pretty disappointed in my dealings with Integra. I installed a good Integra unit and was integrating it with the RS-232 port. I ran into some problems with their unit acting up and not doing what it was supposed to.

When I called them they let me know that they were aware of the issue. When I asked WHEN the problem would be fixed since it was a major feature we wanted to use in their receiver, I was told it was not going to be fixed in the current model."

R

Originally posted by Razvanel

When I called them they let me know that they were aware of the issue. When I asked WHEN the problem would be fixed since it was a major feature we wanted to use in their receiver, I was told it was not going to be fixed in the current model."

R

In general, little angers me more, in electronics, then when I am told that. :mad:

I am still trying to emulate the iLINK audio loss and still can't. Has anyone else had this occur and if so what were they doing. The OSD menu thru the hdmi dvd output is what triggered it for me. I am trying to see if there is something else that will trigger it. Like I said this has only happened during one movie and that only happened because I paused the movie and then went deep in into the NR1000 menu (just checking something) and then when I was trying to come out(or remove the OSD) it happened. This is not the end of the world, by all means. If it only happens at this time then it is no big deal... I just want to understand it better...

Originally posted by joerod
I am still trying to emulate the iLINK audio loss and still can't. Has anyone else had this occur and if so what were they doing. The OSD menu thru the hdmi dvd output is what triggered it for me. I am trying to see if there is something else that will trigger it. Like I said this has only happened during one movie and that only happened because I paused the movie and then went deep in into the NR1000 menu (just checking something) and then when I was trying to come out(or remove the OSD) it happened. This is not the end of the world, by all means. If it only happens at this time then it is no big deal... I just want to understand it better...

I think that Eric knows more details about the bug - if he can duplicate it at will and Onkyo is willing to fix it then there's a good chance that the bug will be fixed.

R

Originally posted by egcarter
catapult,

But wouldn't you have to have an extra set of speakers? Yes, it can handle two entire 7.1 setups, but I don't think that Jeff wants to add additional speakers to the system.

Eric

Thanks everyone for all the responses. You've confirmed my suspicions and interpretation of the manual. It seems it would be possible with a second set ("B") of side surrounds but I don't really want to go that route. The reason I do this currently is because I have dipole side surrounds (IMO, horrible for music) and direct radiating rear surrounds (generally fine for the limited amount of rear channel activity and much better for music). Again, thanks for all the responses.

So far I have not been able to reproduce the iLink connection problem "at will". It has just occured on two different occasions, and fortunately, I know how to work around it quite easily.

As for Integra/Onkyo not fixing problems, I think that depends on which product it is! If it's an old model that's out of production, like the 801/7.4 or 901/8.4, then I understand what their position is. If it's something like the 1000/10.5, then yes, I'm sure they'll fix it, particularly since so much of the functionality is firmware-based. Not only does the core unit have firmware, but each of the digital cards has its own firmware as well (HDMI, iLINK, Net-Tune, etc.) And I note that these current firmware versions look to be 1.0; plenty of room for improvement!

Eric

Eric,

Do you think the firmware on the cards is upgradeable?

Korbar,

Yes, I'm pretty sure that the card firmware is upgradeable. There is an RS-232 port, and the Net-Tune module has an ethernet port. The Net-Tune firmware is upgradeable from the Net-Tune Central server software.

Eric

Originally posted by egcarter
Korbar,

Yes, I'm pretty sure that the card firmware is upgradeable. There is an RS-232 port, and the Net-Tune module has an ethernet port. The Net-Tune firmware is upgradeable from the Net-Tune Central server software.

Eric

Eric,

How does the new Integra 10.5 receiver compare to the Integra 9.1 receiver sound wise?

R

Razvanel,

Hard to say...don't have them side-by-side to A/B them. I can say that the DTR-10.5 sounds wonderful.

Eric

Originally posted by egcarter
Razvanel,

Hard to say...don't have them side-by-side to A/B them. I can say that the DTR-10.5 sounds wonderful.

Eric

I'm SURE it does! ;)

Originally posted by egcarter
Razvanel,

Hard to say...don't have them side-by-side to A/B them. I can say that the DTR-10.5 sounds wonderful.

Eric

Eric,

Thanks. What's the MSRP for the 10.5 base unit? $3500?

R

The DTR-10.5 base unit has an MSRP of $3800.

Eric

Originally posted by Razvanel
According to an Integra Research/Integra dealer I spoke to two weeks ago Integra told him that all 3 flagships - the Onkyo and Integra receivers and the Integra Research processor - are ready for and will get the new DTS and DD formats.

R

This is probably a deal maker, vs breaker, for me. DTS-HD for BD & HD-DVD

Originally posted by rudolpht
This is probably a deal maker, vs breaker, for me. DTS-HD for BD & HD-DVD

I guess you really get what you pay for. That's SERIOUS future proof right there!

I would suspect any offer of a free upgrade to these formats is speculation at this point. Onkyo/Integra will definitely offer the upgrade since one year is a far too short product cycle for them, the question is will it need a hardware upgrade or not?

Dual TI TMS320C67x DSPs provide 2.0-3.6 GFlops (Depends on Clock Speed) which is alot of power for any reciever but I like most other people in this forum have no idea of what kind of crunching power will be required for these future formats.

Krobar,

I suspect that at worst it will require the purchase of a new plug-in card!

Eric

None of DD+/DTS HD will be conveyed through S/PDIF. Does HDMI board support audio input through HDMI?

The HDMI board doesn't support audio input over that connection...it does output audio over the HDMI out. iLink is prescribed for digital audio input for the DTR-10.5/NRTX-1000.

Eric

Can you use any of the video modules without the main module(the one with the SVHS switching? I will be getting the Integra Research RDC-7.1 without any of the video modules, but I will pick up the 4 input HDMI module, when it comes out. I hope I don't have to get the main video module as well just to have HDMI switching.

I doubt that DD+/DTS-HD MIPS is any greater than twice of DTS ES 96/24. They are also said to be backward compatible to their predecessors. If Onkyo can come out with extra-DSP card that would do room EQ and some other functions possibly through field S/W upgrade, 1 DA610 per zone wouldn't have too much difficulty to support those new audio decoders.

Yo

I've skimmed the manual for Onkyo, is there any lip sync adjust when connected via digital audio.
Got the Onkyo DVD player and want to get the amp, but really do need a lipsync adjust as its out on my current amp which doesnt have this.
Lipsynce on dvdplayer is only adjustable via analog out.

Thanks

John

From what I read in the manual the Onkyo amp can adjust for digital sources (I would be very surprised if it didnt).

Yes, there are AV sync adjustments available...

Yo

Can you point me to the pages in manual where it gives the details.

Thanks

John

I don't know if this means anything or not but I just got off the phone with someone at Onkyo's tech support line and I asked her point blank if there would be an add on card for this AVR that would include room calibration of any sort. Her reply was no. I explained to her that I was interested in purchasing this AVR and asked why room correction as available on other AVRs wouldn't be offered as an upgrade. Her response was that Auto room correction is too unreliable.
Now I don't know if she can comment on potential future additions or not, but I found her flat out "no" answer to be pretty puzzling. I mean this reciever 's very conception and structure lend itself to such an option and why someone would totally close the door on such a possability of an upgrade is just weird.

Any thoughts?

For A/V Lipsync, you can adjust for each input. For instance, to adjust the DVD input:

1. Select DVD on the receiver remote
2. Hit the 'SETUP' button
3. Select 'DELAY' from the menu (#6, I think)
4. Make your delay adjustments in the menu and save

Eric

I do not know who you spoke to but I was told by a very reliable source that room correction would be an upgrade addition to be added in the spring! Along with a couple different types of cards or modules...I will check on this first thing in the morning, goobermonkey...

Thanks joerod!
Over all you seem pretty pleased with both your Tx-NR1000 and your DV-SP1000 combo yes?

Yes! I am very happy with it. I previously used a denon 5803A with a denon 5900, then a 3910. My sound is much better and the picture quality is near perfect. In fact, the Sp1000 has come the closest to my D Theater titles. And this is an unbiased, UNsponsered opinion (for the record). I am so far very happy with this HOME THEATER setup...I am getting ready to watch TROY tonite.

I have a TX-NR1000 on order and have a question that I hope someone can answer. I currently have VOOM receiver with DVI and Component output, 50" Plasma with DVI, and an HDMI DVD player. My question is can I use a HDMI/DVI converter for the video in from the VOOM receiver and use an Optical port for the audio input. In other owrds, does the TX-NR1000 allow you to use video part of HDMI and another audio source? If not, it seems that I would have to use Component input which I have concerns about the quality.

Any help would be appreciated

^^ Good question. Here's a bump for ya. ;)

Scottcla,

Yes you can. The video inputs on HDMI is assignable to any input as are the Optical/Coaxial inputs.

This thread needs another very cool, drool-inducing picture.

http://www.vanns.com/shop/servlet/image/item/8736/image.gif

I will second Krobar's answer. This is one of my favorite things about this receiver, flexibility...I am truly enjoying the many options it has to offer....

Thanks for the responses. The unit will arrive on Friday and I can't wait..... I would also be interested if anyone is using the TX NR1000 in a 7.1 configuration. I have M&K THX speakers in a 5.1 configuration today with an existing Denon receiver and want to know if I should buy 2 additional speakers to get to the 7.1 configuration when I replace the Denon with the TX NR1000.

I would atleast go 6.1 if not 7.1! DDPLIIx ia the main reason now, before it was DTE-ES. And with your Onkyo NR1000 sports sound great in ENHANCE mode. Especially the football games. In fact this is perfect timing with the playoffs starting this weekend. You just get a better enveloping of sound. Movies to, but sports is where it is at. You feel like you are in the stands...

Hey joerod.
Did you happen to get any more info about a possible room calibration update card?

All the best.

Yes goobermonkey (I like that name), I was told this afternoon that they were still working on a card with a few NEW options and that was one of them. I am pretty excited about the different options we are going to have for the future. I am planning to watch TROY in a little bit, I am pretty pumped on that. My Fiance' can't wait to see Brad Pitt. Anyway, the sound I am expecting to ROCK...

Thanks for the info joerod! I may be pulling the trigger on all the gear for my HT soon and this AVR and DVD combo sounds like just the ticket!
BTW the name is an amalgam of what I call my kids when they are being mischevious. The 3 year old is "Goober" and the 1 year old is "Monkey". I dig it too!
Thanks again and all the best. :D

Better than calling your kids "phlegmn" or "baboon"!

HAR!!!

Good stuff. I'll have to remember that one: "Goobermonkey." :D This beastly Onkyo receiver, combined with the DV-sp1000 universal player looks to be a real top class AV combination.

I wish I could afford this beast. :(

Don't laugh, it could have been "Boogerchimp"! :D

All the best!

I wish they would offer different configurations of the receiver with different cards. I would love to purchase this receiver at a lower price, but with some of the cards missing.

For example, I don't use HDMI yet, so I wouldn't care about this feature yet, but I will in the future. When I want the card, the 4 inputs HDMI card would be available by then, so I could just get that one and have avoided wasting money on the 2 input one.

I also don't have the need for iLink yet, a fourth component input, or multichannel input, but I would like having the option to purchase them if I bought equipment that used them.

It would also be an easier sell with the wife if it were cheaper and I could upgrade/add the cards over time.

Any idea if there are ever any plans to do this?

Originally posted by spider12
I wish they would offer different configurations of the receiver with different cards. I would love to purchase this receiver at a lower price, but with some of the cards missing.

For example, I don't use HDMI yet, so I wouldn't care about this feature yet, but I will in the future. When I want the card, the 4 inputs HDMI card would be available by then, so I could just get that one and have avoided wasting money on the 2 input one.

I also don't have the need for iLink yet, a fourth component input, or multichannel input, but I would like having the option to purchase them if I bought equipment that used them.

It would also be an easier sell with the wife if it were cheaper and I could upgrade/add the cards over time.

Any idea if there are ever any plans to do this?

Then get the Integra 10.5 instead - it costs $700 less than the Onkyo and comes with a better warranty too.

R

Originally posted by spider12
I wish they would offer different configurations of the receiver with different cards. I would love to purchase this receiver at a lower price, but with some of the cards missing.

For example, I don't use HDMI yet, so I wouldn't care about this feature yet, but I will in the future. When I want the card, the 4 inputs HDMI card would be available by then, so I could just get that one and have avoided wasting money on the 2 input one.

I also don't have the need for iLink yet, a fourth component input, or multichannel input, but I would like having the option to purchase them if I bought equipment that used them.

It would also be an easier sell with the wife if it were cheaper and I could upgrade/add the cards over time.

Any idea if there are ever any plans to do this?

I like your ideas. Considering that the unit is so new still, I really can't see why, in the future, a lower price and card options wouldn't become reality over time.

Spider,

The Onkyo is upgradeable but not customiseable. From the sounds of it you'd be better off buying the DTR-10.5, it lacks the cards you dont need and may be available at a better price, it also looks cooler and will most likely have a couple of tweaks over the Onkyo (This happened with the DVD players) and Integra fully support customisation and the more exotic modules. Check it out:
http://www.integrahometheater.com/model.cfm?m=DTR-10.5&class=Receiver&p=s

The internal difference between the Onkyo and Integra are not yet confirmed, I will try to find out what they are for my own curiosity and others on the forum.

Originally posted by Krobar
Spider,

The Onkyo is upgradeable but not customiseable. From the sounds of it you'd be better off buying the DTR-10.5, it lacks the cards you dont need and may be available at a better price, it also looks cooler and will most likely have a couple of tweaks over the Onkyo (This happened with the DVD players) and Integra fully support customisation and the more exotic modules. Check it out:
http://www.integrahometheater.com/model.cfm?m=DTR-10.5&class=Receiver&p=s

The internal difference between the Onkyo and Integra are not yet confirmed, I will try to find out what they are for my own curiosity and others on the forum.

That's incredible. I can't see how it could be for a better price than the Onkyo, though. Isn't the Integra side of things always more high end, and therefore, more expensive?

How does this work? I'd customize it and drive down to my local dealer with that info?

Someone made a comment about this receiver not looking cool. I actually like its beveled style front, it matches perfect with the SP1000! I think it looks futuristic. Anyhow, as good as it sounds it can look anyway it wants to!

Q,

You can specify and store your config on the Integra website and then a dealer can recall it. The MSRP is lower than the Onkyo and if you ring a few dealers your bound to find one who will offer a discount. Just remember, "Assumption is the Mother of all ......"

Originally posted by Krobar
Q,

You can specify and store your config on the Integra website and then a dealer can recall it. The MSRP is lower than the Onkyo and if you ring a few dealers your bound to find one who will offer a discount. Just remember, "Assumption is the Mother of all ......"

:p

That's just a real surprise. Usually the Integra products are the more expensive ones vs. their Onkyo counterparts.

Why is it cheaper, in this case?

It has fewer modules than the Onkyo as standard, thats why myself and others recommended it to Spider.

Heres a Quick pluses and minuses for the Integra

Plus:
Better Warranty
Looks Better IMHO
Cheaper Base Config
AES/EBU and BNC Component Options
Most likely the Onkyo wont support the upcoming satellite radio module and the Integra will
User upgrade offcially supported

Minuses:
Far Fewer standard modules
If you want all the standard type modules then the Onkyo is probably better value

Overall the Integra could be better or worse value depending on what you need now and might need later.

Originally posted by Krobar
It has fewer modules than the Onkyo as standard, thats why myself and others recommended it to Spider.

Heres a Quick pluses and minuses for the Integra

Plus:
Better Warranty
Looks Better IMHO
Cheaper Base Config
AES/EBU and BNC Component Options
Most likely the Onkyo wont support the upcoming satellite radio module and the Integra will
User upgrade offcially supported

Minuses:
Far Fewer standard modules
If you want all the standard type modules then the Onkyo is probably better value

Overall the Integra could be better or worse value depending on what you need now and might need later.

I'll be damned. Well, that's a first. Usually, it's "Go for the Integra for the overkill across the boards." Not so, in this case.

FWIW, A couple of interesting points being made in this thread: http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&postid=2518945#post2518945

I just quoted your very thorough breakdown here over there. Those folks will appreciate this gem as well.

Very interesting! Thanks! :)

Very informative Q, good job!!! I am not showing any regret at all for purchasing this unit. Especially after watching TROY lastnite! WOW!!!

Originally posted by joerod
Very informative Q, good job!!! I am not showing any regret at all for purchasing this unit. Especially after watching TROY lastnite! WOW!!!

You!

Quit making me want to spend more money than I can! NOW!!! :p

Originally posted by Krobar
It has fewer modules than the Onkyo as standard, thats why myself and others recommended it to Spider.

Heres a Quick pluses and minuses for the Integra

Plus:
Better Warranty
Looks Better IMHO
Cheaper Base Config
AES/EBU and BNC Component Options
Most likely the Onkyo wont support the upcoming satellite radio module and the Integra will
User upgrade offcially supported

Minuses:
Far Fewer standard modules
If you want all the standard type modules then the Onkyo is probably better value

Overall the Integra could be better or worse value depending on what you need now and might need later.

Onkyo comes standard with BNC component module. Why do you say that it does not support it?.

Also why would Onkyo not support new modules?. Onkyo touts the receiver as future proof.

Of course the Onkyo is upgradeable. The business model for the Integra version is different, however. It is designed as a "build-to-order" unit.

When I order an Integra DTR-10.5, I log into the Integra dealer sales website and configure the unit with the modules that my client wants...it figures out the pricing, I submit the order to them. in 3-5 business days they will load the base unit with the requested configuration of boards, test it, box it up and ship it to me.

I can also retrieve a client-configured design from the website and submit that as an order.

The Onkyo version just comes completely outfitted with cards. No build-to-order here. But in the future, you will certainly be able to buy new cards and replace existing cards with the new ones in an Onkyo unit.

To remove a card just requires a little Allen wrench and a tug.

[added on 1/13:]

All cards will NOT work on the Onkyo flavor of the receiver. Receiver's firmware is different from the Integra version. They are restricting some of the cards to only work on the Integra model.




Eric

Eric,

What is the MSRP for each module?

Thanks,

R

There actually are no MSRP's for the cards, only the base unit.

Eric

Anyone else notice the front LCD display of the Integra has a WMA light, future feature or an initial though not taken any further?

Has anyone else heard when the 4/1 HDMI module will be released? I have heard spring time, but I wanted to know if anyone else heard anything different?

Originally posted by egcarter
Of course the Onkyo is upgradeable. It uses exactly the same modules as the Integra version. The business model for the Integra version is different, however. It is designed as a "build-to-order" unit.

When I order an Integra DTR-10.5, I log into the Integra dealer sales website and configure the unit with the modules that my client wants...it figures out the pricing, I submit the order to them. in 3-5 business days they will load the base unit with the requested configuration of boards, test it, box it up and ship it to me.

I can also retrieve a client-configured design from the website and submit that as an order.

The Onkyo version just comes completely outfitted with cards. No build-to-order here. But in the future, you will certainly be able to buy new cards and replace existing cards with the new ones in an Onkyo unit.

To remove a card just requires a little Allen wrench and a tug.



Eric

Fairly easy to do, or can someone screw up fairly easily trying to do this?

No new modules have been "confirmed" as of now. I do know that XM radio is one of the modules that they are working on. Don't count your chickens before they hatch! Springtime is the date when it was said the first new cards would be introduced.


It's quite easy to replace the cards. Note that a given card can not go into just ANY slot. They have designations on them and you must match up these with the designations on the back of the chassis.

Eric

Originally posted by egcarter
No new modules have been "confirmed" as of now. I do know that XM radio is one of the modules that they are working on. Don't count your chickens before they hatch! Springtime is the date when it was said the first new cards would be introduced.


It's quite easy to replace the cards. Note that a given card can not go into just ANY slot. They have designations on them and you must match up these with the designations on the back of the chassis.

Eric

Excellent. That sounds "QofBanditZ"-proof to me. :D

Krobar,

What do you mean "WMA light"...Windows Media? The Net-Tune module already plays WMA. I'm doing it right now! When you play a WMA track, the WMA light illuminates. MP3 lights up when playing an MP3. However, I do note that there is an AAC light as well. Haven't made that go on yet...don't have any sources. Net-Tune doesn't support iTunes as yet and I don't know where I would acquire any other AAC format sources.

Eric



As

I assumed it was for WMA on HD discs, forgot about NetTune. Does it support MPEG audio? (Only have one disc but would be nice)

You can encode AAC with a free encoder, I cant say it offers huge benefits over MP3 for something like Netune. My current favourite format is lossless ape audio since it can store DTS too, its idenitcal quality to a wav file but smaller and can be tagged properly.

AAC is of most use for broadcast since high quality can be achieved with very low bitrates. Japan is using it for brodcast (I think) and Germany with Canada and others is currently piloting it for digital radio (Since DAB has not taken off there mainly due to quality issues).

Krobar,

Which flavor of MPEG audio do you mean? MP3 and AAC (MP4?) are both MPEG audio, no? At this point, I know it supports MP3, WMA, AAC and WAV audio formats either via Net-Tune or otherwise. Who knows what the future may bring? I still don't know how to play AAC on it, but it's in the menus.

Eric

The MPEG source is a DVD, I dont know what variety it is but my Pioneer can detect and play it.

AAC died for PC storage of music mainly because of the already established MP3 and better lossless formats without licensing restrictions so I doubt Onkyo will bother supporting it for net tune. The reason AAC is most likely supported is for broadcast sources in other countries.

Krobar,

Apple's iTunes uses AAC as the default format. Maybe there will be iTunes support in the future?


Eric

Apple messed up the format though, it is AAC with skewed file heading info, the same happened with lossless, Apple changed file heading info just to create their own format. Maybe Onkyo will support Apple but I doubt Apple would encourage it since they want to sell their own network audio product.

Is anyone else out there using the HDMI ins and out on the TX NR1000? I am using it for dvd, and D Theater. And I must say there is not a loss in pic Q whats-so-ever. When the 4/1 module is out I will try my HD TIVO in a HDMI in. So far the component HD looks better with the HD TIVo. Atleast standard broadcasts look okay with component just more blurry with the HDMi to DVI connection. I still may experiment on this subject soon (try HDMI in on TX NR1000 with HD TIVO).

I'm using HDMI in for my Integra DPS-10.5 DVD and out for my SIM2 projector. I'm also using three component ins, an S-Video and a composite video.


Eric

The Green Bay vs Minnesota game sounded as good as it looked. I was using Onkyo's special ENHANCE DSP mode. You could hear the QB bark out the signals in the front L & Rs. The TV commentators in the center. The crazy crowd in the surrounds, the PA announcer in the surrounds, and the hits in the fronts! It was very close to being there! Everyone that was over went nuts. They are already planning next Sunday's games. Anyway, I have the perfect recipe in place for sports (mainly football)....

Does anyone know if this unit will be upgradable to any of the "lossless" formats?

This unit appears to be the perfect compromise--relatively reasonably priced considering what you get-- and if upgradable, should be perfect....

scottb4u,

It will be upgradeable to whatever Onkyo decides to build. Unfortunately, we don't have any really hard info on those modules until they see fit to introduce them.

Eric

egcarter you are absolutely right. Hopefully Onkyo will be leaking out soon their plans as far as the future modules go. Still bought as is, the unit has more than enough options for the average consumer. But I would like to know what their future plans are...

Probably already been asked before but: What happens with this unit when the Dolby and DTS formats come forth? Is it ready to go on those, at least, in terms of a card swap that would come in the future, or what?

Q,

I dont think any of us have a crystal ball and even Onkyo themselves may not have a sure answer to that question yet. Look to Texas Instruments, they are the first link in the chain and likely will announce support and more importantly for which DSPs long before Onkyo.

For those of you interested in the differences between the Onkyo and Integra models I have confirmed info that hardware wise they are pretty much identical but firmware differences may mean Integra modules wont work in the Onkyo. The same source said Onkyo may well offer upgrade modules to customers in the future though.

Does anyone know if the receiver's WMA support includes WMA-Pro? So far I thought only Pioneer supported it. In the past only in their top of the line model, but at CES they announced new models between $500-$1000 w/ WMA-Pro. Why is this important? Well, I have the I-O Date LinkPlayer networked DVD player, it is supports WM9-High Definition DVD and files from the network. All of the commercial releases of WM9-HD, such as all the IMAX films, only output WMA-Pro audio for surround sound. The Pioneer can support it. Would be nice if the Onkyo would as well.

Also, a question about the multiple speaker terminals. I can have this receiver serve two rooms w/ 7.1 systems and switch between them, right? However, if the main theater room (call it zone A) is on and playing 7.1, can the outputs be reassigned so the zone B (usually hooked up as the second 7.1 zone) get stereo or something less than 7.1 at the same time zone A is on? In other words, two rooms w/ 7.1 (one of which works at a time) and when one is in use, the other gets 2 channel? Is that possible?

I expect that, since Dolby Digital Plus will be transmitted via HDMI, the decoding will likely take place in the player rather than in the processor. I would not expect the processor to ever be upgraded to have more than 8 main channels.

WMA9Pro support is not yet available for Texas DSPs (So nothing for Pioneer or Denon for now), the reason Pioneer have it is that they do in house development for Motorola DSPs.

Yes the Onkyo has a seperate dac and DSP for ZoneB. You can have an entirely different source in ZoneB if you like. You can even have DVD-A SACD 5.1/7.1 in Zone A and a downmix of the same in ZoneB or if you have two I-Link players then seperate high def audio for each zone. You are limited to 2.0 in ZoneB unless it is an exact clone of Zone A (Same volume too).

Originally posted by Krobar
WMA9Pro support is not yet available for Texas DSPs (So nothing for Pioneer or Denon for now), the reason Pioneer have it is that they do in house development for Motorola DSPs.

Yes the Onkyo has a seperate dac and DSP for ZoneB. You can have an entirely different source in ZoneB if you like. You can even have DVD-A SACD 5.1/7.1 in Zone A and a downmix of the same in ZoneB or if you have two I-Link players then seperate high def audio for each zone. You are limited to 2.0 in ZoneB unless it is an exact clone of Zone A (Same volume too).

Great info, but can I switch on the fly from having Zone B be 2.0 while Zone A is on, to having Zone B be 7.1 if Zone A is off? Maybe I am getting Zone B and Speaker B confused. I guess what I want is an A/B speaker switch for two sets of 7.1, but without having to reconnect the speakers or use a second set, have Speaker B L/R switchable to the second zone source in stereo when speaker A 7.1 is on. Clear as mud?

And when you say "unless it is an exact clone of Zone A (same volume too)", do you mean I have have A and B play 7.1 at the same time if they are same source & volume? wouldn't that require 14 channels of amp, like the Denon? I did not think it was possible. Or are you talking about halving the impedance & just hooking up two sets to the same 7 amp channels? That does not sound prudent.

The Onkyo has connections for 14 speakers but only 7 amps. This means it essentially has a built in speaker switch, it will halve impendance but with 8ohm speakers that is unlikely to be a problem. Im not sure about the on the fly Speaker B to Zone B switching, have a look at the manual:
http://63.148.251.135/redirect_service.cfm?type=own_manuals&file=TX-NR1000_5000_En.pdf

Zone B might need seperate amplification, Im not sure.

Onkyo also support bridging of the frontL/R channels for 8ohm speakers and biamping in 5channel config.

I like all the speaker connections. It gives you the flexibilty to hook up a few different rooms. And it is relatively east to switch from A to B speaker connections. But the most important tidbit is the consistent power it releases to each speaker. No matter how many you have connected!

Originally posted by CKNA
Onkyo comes standard with BNC component module. Why do you say that it does not support it?.

Also why would Onkyo not support new modules?. Onkyo touts the receiver as future proof.

The Onkyo comes with an RCA component module not BNC. It is not in the Onkyo business model to have to support custom integra modules or keep stock and the Onkyo dealer network is also less suited. Onkyo will most likely offer upgrade cards though, for example if the NR1000 gets updated modules (eg. HDMI 1.1) then Onkyo will offer the card(s) that have changed as an upgrade. As explained before the Onkyo is upgradeable but not customisable according to the business plan, firmware differences will most likely prevent the additional Integra modules working in the Onkyo.

Of course this has already been announced in this thread but I was told yesterday by an Onkyo rep that they will indeed release a couple different modules and cards within a few months. That could mean the fall of course.

Hello all

I have really enjoyed reading through this thread, this has to be the most enticing AVR I have read about in a long while. I currently have a Yamaha RXV1 and the lack of bass management is really getting to me, with the addition of a DVDA player and my new SVS. Reading through this thread I have been leaning towards the Integra version, it seems on the surface to be the more upgrade friendly of the two. I also like the idea of the lower price. I currently do not need the HDMI or Ilink (my pj only has component in), but future expansion is great.

Any opinions are welcome, I just wanted to thank everyone again for all of the helpful info.


SG

Can the pre-amp be decoupled from the power section in this unit? Specifically if you are using all 7.1 preouts, can you assign any of the internal amps to Zone2/3? With Yamaha products this is not possible.

doobydolby,

You can listen to a 5.1 presentation in the Main zone while listening to a different stereo presentation in Zone2 using two of the power amps by connecting the two Zone2 speakers to the Surround Back Left and Right outputs in the Speaker B terminals array.



Eric

I take back what I said about the TX-NR1000 and the optional cards. The Onkyo tech guys got back to me today and said that the Onkyo receiver does NOT support all of the optional cards that the Integra receiver does. The firmware is different on the receivers.

Eric

Originally posted by scottb4u
Does anyone know if this unit will be upgradable to any of the "lossless" formats?


I'm also interested in whether the NetTune module could support lossless formats (FLAC, APE, WMA lossless) with a firmware upgrade to the module, or whether it would require a new version of the module hardware. Right now I am not interested in the module because I mainly use lossless formats, and because I have an HTPC which can play those files already connected to my home stereo.

Also, more details on the release of the 4-input HDMI module would be an important fact for me. I asked my IR dealer but he was not able to get any information about it. I'm considering the RDC-7.1.

Brian

Does anyone know of a way to use a mac on a nettune equiped onkyo?

Does the Onkyo receiver upsample or resample all digital audio inputs to 24 bit, 192 kHz internally? Can this feature be turned off when listening to an audio CD at 16 bit, 44.1 kHz, as an example? The same questions apply to Integra and IR units, if anyone knows.

Brian

Originally posted by Krobar
The Onkyo comes with an RCA component module not BNC. It is not in the Onkyo business model to have to support custom integra modules or keep stock and the Onkyo dealer network is also less suited. Onkyo will most likely offer upgrade cards though, for example if the NR1000 gets updated modules (eg. HDMI 1.1) then Onkyo will offer the card(s) that have changed as an upgrade. As explained before the Onkyo is upgradeable but not customisable according to the business plan, firmware differences will most likely prevent the additional Integra modules working in the Onkyo.

According to this picture, Onkyo comes with BNC component module. Here is the picture http://63.148.251.135/redirect.cfm?file=txnr1000_rear_300.jpg

Has anyone experienced a recurrence of the i-Link problem, and has anyone heard back from Onkyo about this problem?

I have not had the problem with my RDC-7.1 and Pioneer I-Link player. Ive been in and out of the menu during playback and have paused and played a fair bit too (Only used DVD-A and SACD with it so far).

Steve,

I have seen the iLink connectivity problem again...there's no pattern to it and it's only very occasionally. (And I have a workaround). Onkyo/Integra has not been able to reproduce it as yet. They have escalated the issue...


Eric

If I am reading this correctly, all of the reports of iLink problems seem to involve using Onkyo/Integra DVD players in combination with the Onkyo/Integra receivers. So far there are no reports of iLink problems when using a Pioneer DVD player with those receivers. That could point to a problem in those DVD players or just a synchronization problem between the player and receiver.

Brian

Brian,

Correct. Then again, it's only intermittent; so be vigilant!

Eric

For those of you curious about that iLink connectivity issue that I have experienced on occasion with my Integra DTR-10.5 and DPS-10.5, they have been unable to reproduce the problem at Onkyo USA, so the tech support people want my units to test.

I am glad that they are being pro-active about this; it hasn't been a big deal, but they agreed with me that it's not a situation that I would want a client to have to face, so they are moving forward to try to get to the bottom of it. No word as yet from Japan on their attempts to reproduce the issue.

Eric

BTW,

For those of you who have been curious about what new cards are coming for the card-based receivers, I did find that dealer document from Integra that I had seen that has three of them listed in writing that are coming (at least for the Integra DTR-10.5...I don't see any reason why the Onkyo version wouldn't get them too):

HDMI-HD: Single digital connection for HD Video and HD Multi-Channel audio
XM Radio: Allows reception of satellite radio broadcasts
HD-Radio: For receiving IBiquity digital AM/FM broadcasts

It also shows a cool Windows app for configuring the receiver using the RS-232 port or the Ethernet port of a receiver equipped with the Net-Tune module. I have yet to see this application...



Eric

Thanks. Is there any mention of the number of HDMI inputs on the HDMI-HD module? I've also heard they are waiting for the HDMI v1.2 spec so that they can support both DVD-A and SACD. Hopefully that spec will allow DD+ and DTS-HD as well.

Brian

Eric,

I was told the config app is at the Release candidate stage and should be released to the public in a few weeks.

Brian,

No indication on the numbers of inputs on the HDMI-HD card.

Eric

Eric,

We are brand new Integra dealers and received our demo DTR 10.5 and DPS 10.5 units.

We have definetely experienced an iLink problem. The two units seem to lose their connection and the DTR does not detect the data stream properly resulting in a loss of audio.

Pulling and replacing the power plug on the DTR definetely forces an iLink re-negotiation and fixes the problem. For us it happened when switching between DVD-Movies, DVD-Audio and SACD. We were testing all formats to see how they all sounded. We have NOT seen the problem during continuous playback of a disc. Only upon changing to a different disc type.

We've seen the problem maybe 5 times and cannot come up with a repeatable test case. We are trying to do just that but will not have a lot of time for the next two weeks. (high project load)

George P.

George P,

Hallelujah! You have a PM.

Eric

George P and all,

Thanks to George's advice, I was able to replicate the iLink problem. After playing a DVD and turning off the components, I powered up, put in an SACD and there was no audio. Unplugged the receiver, plugged it in and voila! Receiver detects an SACD and it's fine. I'll call the tech guys tomorrow and let 'em know.

Eric

Originally posted by egcarter
George P and all,

Thanks to George's advice, I was able to replicate the iLink problem. After playing a DVD and turning off the components, I powered up, put in an SACD and there was no audio. Unplugged the receiver, plugged it in and voila! Receiver detects an SACD and it's fine. I'll call the tech guys tomorrow and let 'em know.

Eric

Eric,

So you can duplicate the i-Link problem at will? If that's the case then Onkyo should be able to fix it.

Also, what's the master firmware version on your Integra receiver?

R

Eric,

That would be great if you have a repeatable case, post a summary of the steps you are taking and we will try to duplicate it on our equipment.

We are on the latest firmware on the DVD(1.2). Not sure about the Receiver - we'll check that tomorrow.

George P.

Razvanel,

Yes, I am able to replicate the problem pretty easily now.
My DTR-10.5 master firmware is 1.02.

Eric

Eric,

It may also help to know that Im using an the RDC with a Pioneer player and have done a lot of disc swapping between DVD-V and DVD-A/SACD with no issues at all. My RDC is ver 1.03 with I-Link firmware 1.01.

Edit: Version Typo

Originally posted by egcarter
Razvanel,

Yes, I am able to replicate the problem pretty easily now.
My DTR-10.5 master firmware is 1.02.

Eric

Eric,

My RDC-7.1 is master version 1.03, i-Link firmware 1.01, manufactured November 2004. The RDC-7.1 that I initially had and was replaced by Integra had master version 1.04, i-Link firmware 1.01 and was manufactured in December 2004. Could you ask Integra what the difference is between the various master firmware versions?

R

Krobar,

You must turn it off between swaps to see a problem, I do believe.

Eric

Here are the versions on our units:

DTR-10.5 Receiver:
Master - 1.02
iLink - 1.01
Net Tune - 1.0
HDMI - 1.0

DPS 10.5 DVD Player:
SYS 040929A
SYS.R 1.20
SLD.040512A
B/E.???????
F/E.???????
ID.???????
SUB.030506A
VD.
VDL.
iLK.04723A

We are testing today and cannot re-create the iLink audio loss problem we experienced earlier. We are switching disc types, powering on/off between disc types etc

George P.

I haven't been able to reproduce the iLink problem thus far today. So it is an intermittent issue, not ALWAYS repeatable. <sigh>

Eric

Maybe the full moon caused it. Try again next month. ;) :D

Brian

Yo

I've got both Onkyos dvd and receiver.
Yesterday had big problems with Ilink, no sound at all, finally got it back, but it took lots of messing around, power on/off etc.
Also DVD player locks up, picture freezes, only way out is to turn off dvd player, this may be related to ilink, but dont know.
Reciever firmware is at 1.0 across the board.
Also both units run very hot

John

John,

The DVD player firmware is up to 1.20 now. Contact your regional Onkyo tech support for a disc with the update. I don't know about the other firmware revs for the Onkyo receiver. As tech support informed me, Onkyo and Integra receiver firmware is not identical.

Eric

Yo

Both units were bought in Hong Kong, I'm in UK.
Player is badged as Reg 3 but its all region, risk I run of getting USA firmware is that it diables region free and maybe any PAL settings.
Onkyo China dont respond to emails.

John

John,

Such are the hazards of global purchasing...

Eric

It seems sometimes the Onkyo dvd player (SP 1000) can lock up. Simply unplug it for five seconds and it is reset. According to Onkyo this can happen every once in a while. It usually only happens during menu screens. It has never happened during a movie. Then the iLINK coonnection will not be detected making you have to unplug the TX 1000 so it searches for one (iLINK). Then all is well again, til it happens again(every few weeks or so). Just a quick troubleshooting method I use...

Yo

Now running through a variac so voltage is 220. ANp still runs hot but dvd player is down to warm.
Ilink problem solved by turning on DVD player, letting it start up, then amp, this way everything is fine, other way round and dvd player freezes up.
Now all I need is firmware 1.20.

John

Setting the Analogue to off on your DVD input may help with I-Link problems.

I have never had the DVD player lock up...the only *very* intermittent issue is that iLink non-functionality where there is no audio. I can't even get that to reproduce at will...it usually works just fine (why am I complaining?) <g>

Eric

has anybody tried the nr1000 with an Ipod? I have a customer who is willing to buy one but would like to know if it is easy to hook up to an Ipod.

Thanks in advance

I am sorry it is my first post on this forum so I am not allowed to add link !
On Onkyo web site ,"what news" you will find an information about Ipod vs Onkyo
JM

Originally posted by oakland.raiders
Yo

Both units were bought in Hong Kong, I'm in UK.
Player is badged as Reg 3 but its all region, risk I run of getting USA firmware is that it diables region free and maybe any PAL settings.
Onkyo China dont respond to emails.

John

Hi John
It could be a good news for me ,I bought my DVPS in Hong Kong but I never had opportunity to check if it is able to play a region 2 DVD. Did you test it?
Thank you
JM

Yo

Its all region so plays anything.
I've since found out, if you upgrade firmware it reverts dvd back to original region, therefore reg 3.
To make it all region you need the Onkyo service remote, which you can buy.
I havent been able to get hold of the firmware though.

As for ilink, not a big fan as huge lip sync problems which I cant adjust, however on coax its perfect.
The ironic thing is I kept this player and amp because of ilink, otherwsie I'd have gone Marantz route.

John

I have a TX-NR1000 connected to Samsung DLP TV with HDMI. I also have a Onkyo DV-SP1000 and a DirecTV HD DVR connected to the receiver through HDMI.

I can display the TX-NR1000 onscreen setup menu on tv but the OSD "immediate display" (onscreen discription of operations) does not show on TV.

When I select a non-HDMI source such as Net-Tune or Video 6 I can then see the OSD "immediate display".

Basically, I want to see the OSD volume adjustments on my tv while watching DVD or DirecTV. Is this possible?

I have had my TX-NR100 for 2 weeks now and love it however when i connect my Direct Tv Hd Tivo up to the HDMI port and run the unit I get a screen that says the unit has overheated and needs to be shut down...I have othe things connected to HDMI and its works fine.....

I first thought my HD unit had went bad and had Direct TV send a new one but it produces the same thing....

If I connect the HD Tivo right up to my Sony Tv there is no problem .....

What the heck do you guys think is going on ???? I just do not have a clue as to why it would do this ...Hope you guys can help in trying to fix what is up with this setup.......

Every other thing about this receiver rocks its sound is better for my speakers then the 5805 I had before and its card system is way better then the 5805.......

Thanks Asab............:(

Asab,

I would talk to your Onkyo dealer about that...maybe swap HDMI cards.

Eric

Asab,

As Eric suggested, swap HDMI cards first and if that doesn't solve the problem then ask your dealer to have your unit replaced.

R

The overheating issue is a known problem with the DirecTV HD Tivo. Do a search at the following Tivo Community Forum:

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=36

What software version do you have for your Tivo - version 3.1.5f was supposed to fix the false overheating message?

Thanks for all the help guys I have 5f on one 5e on the other 5f on my 2nd unit did nothing so ill try the other one it only dose it through the onkyo However I do not think the onkyo is the problem because my cable and DVD do not have any problems........Anthony.................:(

Originally posted by oakland.raiders
Yo

Its all region so plays anything.
I've since found out, if you upgrade firmware it reverts dvd back to original region, therefore reg 3.
To make it all region you need the Onkyo service remote, which you can buy.
I havent been able to get hold of the firmware though.

As for ilink, not a big fan as huge lip sync problems which I cant adjust, however on coax its perfect.
The ironic thing is I kept this player and amp because of ilink, otherwsie I'd have gone Marantz route.

John

Thank you John
At this time I expect to buy the TX-NR 1000 because I beleive it is the best way to get DV-SP1000 and TX-NR1000 together but I am really anxious when I read about the ilink sync problem or the missing of signal in ilink mode etc...and don't find any answer from Onkyo ,I never found any firmware or any link to download too..where do Onkyo or Integra owners get it ????JM

I have not had a single problem with my SP1000 and TXNR1000 connection. If the iLINK does get out of sorts (twice so far since Dec.) I just unplug the TXNR1000 and it sources the iLINK connection all over again...

Originally posted by DAlba
I have a TX-NR1000 connected to Samsung DLP TV with HDMI. I also have a Onkyo DV-SP1000 and a DirecTV HD DVR connected to the receiver through HDMI.

I can display the TX-NR1000 onscreen setup menu on tv but the OSD "immediate display" (onscreen discription of operations) does not show on TV.

When I select a non-HDMI source such as Net-Tune or Video 6 I can then see the OSD "immediate display".

Basically, I want to see the OSD volume adjustments on my tv while watching DVD or DirecTV. Is this possible?

Anybody have an answer for me?

jm58,

Speak to your dealer about the firmware upgrade. It was released to Integra dealers on the 18th. It addresses some iLink issues along with a bunch of other things (like Zone2 and 3 stuff).

Eric

DAlba... It is my understanding that doing video overlay with an HDMI source take a lot of work, and I don't believe there are any receivers that do it right now (I know that the 5805 doesn't...)


Another question for everybody.... from reading the manual, it seems to me that the 1000 can bridge two amps for the front left and right if you don't have extra back surrounds? Is this true.. if so, I am surprised I haven't seen it mentioned alot.... Just curious.....

Originally posted by egcarter
jm58,

Speak to your dealer about the firmware upgrade. It was released to Integra dealers on the 18th. It addresses some iLink issues along with a bunch of other things (like Zone2 and 3 stuff).

Eric
Thank you Eric, next month I will go back to HK and I'll get it and my TX-NR 1000 :D
JM

Originally posted by oakland.raiders
To make it all region you need the Onkyo service remote, which you can buy.

Where? Google came up dry. Thanks

Originally posted by DAlba
I have a TX-NR1000 connected to Samsung DLP TV with HDMI. I also have a Onkyo DV-SP1000 and a DirecTV HD DVR connected to the receiver through HDMI.

I can display the TX-NR1000 onscreen setup menu on tv but the OSD "immediate display" (onscreen discription of operations) does not show on TV.

When I select a non-HDMI source such as Net-Tune or Video 6 I can then see the OSD "immediate display".

Basically, I want to see the OSD volume adjustments on my tv while watching DVD or DirecTV. Is this possible?


Here is the response I got from Onkyo tech support:

"No, when you are going from HDMI in to HDMI out, you cannot superimpose the immediate display on those sources. If a source is being upconverted, then yes, immediate OSD will work"

Sorry I'm late to this party. I experience the same thing on my 7.1 DAlba and had the same explanation given to me. Sort of a bummer but not the end of the world I guess.

TM

Has anyone else heard when the new 4/1 HDMI module will be coming? I still am hearing May or June. Has anyone else heard something else?

The only thing I ever heard - waaaaay back when - was later this year in the Sept/Oct timeframe though I'd happily switch sooner!

TM

A UK magazine hinted at release of DAB and better HDMI modules for the Euro equivilent (TX-NR5000E) later this year.

Does anyone know for certain whether or not the TX-NR1000 HDMI will support 1080p (60 Hz vertical refresh) on both inputs and outputs?

Thanks!

I was wondering how to upgrade to the newest firmware. Has anyone updated their receiver ? I have downloaded it from the onkyousa web site. Can use a rs232 to usb cable to update ?

I am waiting for my replacement TX-NR1000 I bought the first one a week ago. I was just getting used to having goosebumps all the time, and this morning I fired it up and got a hiss from the center channel. Unplugged all of the inputs and the power plug. Re started the unit, still had hiss even with the volume at 0. I called Onkyo tech support. They had me do a reset. Still no luck. Called Vanns to return. The unit was a clearance item because the box had a good size hole in it. Said it was never used and gave me a crazy price on the reciever and the dvd player. I actually paid less for both than the selling price of the reciever alone. I was pretty bummed because I didn't want and couldnt pay retail for the unit so I was going to return the TX-NR 1000 and the DV-1000.

After I got all of my return info from Vanns and was ready to leave for work I received a phone call from DAX @ Vanns offering me a brand new unit for about 300.00 more than the crazy clearance price. Needless to say I will have the new unit by Wednesday. I just thought I would share.

hifiky,

The instructions on upgrading are in a readme file in the firmware archive. You need an RS-232 cable...yes a USB-to-RS-232 should work (some of them are rather flaky).

Eric

Thanks egcarter, I will upgrade to the new firmware as soon as my replacement receiver arrives. Do you know what the issues new firmware addresses? Would a RS-232 to RS-232 be a better idea for the upgrade? I have to buy the cable anyhow.

hifiky,

I posted the list of issues that the firmware addresses in another thread around here somewhere awhile ago.

If your computer has an RS-232 port, by all means use an RS-232 to RS-232 cable. Most new laptops don't have them anymore so one is forced to use USB to RS-232.

Eric

I'm updating my TX-NR1000 now using a Keyspan USB Serial Adaptor (model USA-19QW) on a Windows XP machine. Everything seems to be going smoothly. Sure does take a long time though. The software says it will take 43 minutes to update the Master firmware. Another 76 minutes for everything else but I don't think I have to update all the firmwares.

I wonder If I will notice any changes. It would be nice if they would show the volume level changes on the receiver's display more visible. I am using HDMI therefore I do not see the volume level change on the immediate display OSD so it's impossible for me to know what volume level I'm at when I'm seated far from the receiver.

DTR-10.5 / RDC-7.1 Firmware Update History

Version # Date Notes

1.03 11/10/04 first production version

1.04 12/3/04 minor bug fixes

1.05 12/16/04 Z2/Z3 RS-232 tuner commands fixed
Net-Tune updates

1.06 2/10/05 Discrete Z3 IR/RS-232 codes added
minor bug fixes

1.08 3/15/05 Z2/Z3 IR tuner commands fixed
Z2/Z3 IR Net-Tune commands fixed
Z2/Z3 front panel display changes
i.LINK updates
minor bug fixes

Would it be possible to use 2 multichannel inputs on the Integra unit?

Deepsky4565,

Do you mean to use TWO of the C-MULTI cards, meaning FOUR sets of 7.1 inputs?? The C-MULTI card has two sets of 7.1 inputs. The card is designed to permit easy connection to separate DVD-A and SACD players simultaneously. We advocate the use of the Onkyo/Integra/IR Universal DVD player using the iLink connection. It's great.

Eric

Thanks for the help guys. I think the firmware update will be a breeze.

I have several pieces of quadraphonic gear I'd love to have access to without swapping cables.

On another note, I couldn't find anything on the Integra preamp with modules on their website. Is it available yet? Could someone pm me with where I can get a good price on one?

Is the top of the line DVD player the same one between Onkyo and Integra? I'd like to know if I got an Integra, to match this preamp, if it would be SDI moddable, which I know the Onkyo one is.

One more, is it possible to have a digital in source output on analog stereo out, then monitor a multichannel input? I've got some matrix encoded material on my HD that I'd like to send to the preamp digitally, then out analog to a quad processor, then back to the receiver. My Denon 3805 won't do this.

Thanks.

Deepsky4565,

Are you talking about Integra or Integra Research? (two different marques).

The only card-based pre/pro is the Integra Research RDC-7.1. That is build-to-order, as is the Integra DTR-10.5 receiver. They both offer the Multi-channel card.

I believe that you can only put one of the cards in the unit.

The Onkyo and Integra DVD players are the same except for the Integra's scaler is able to scale external sources as well as the DVD. It also has a longer warranty, as do all Integra/IR products.

Some of the Integra versions of the products also include some higher grade components than do the Onkyo versions. I don't know for sure if that includes this particular product.

Eric

Thanks for your response. I have a few more questions if you don't mind.

Can these process a digital in, output analog, then input and listen to multicannel in?

Any more information on room eq correction?

Is there any detailed comparison between the IR and Integra versions? I know one is a preamp, and the other a receiver, but what else?

Thanks!!!

Originally posted by Deepsky4565
Thanks for your response. I have a few more questions if you don't mind.

Can these process a digital in, output analog, then input and listen to multicannel in?

Any more information on room eq correction?

Is there any detailed comparison between the IR and Integra versions? I know one is a preamp, and the other a receiver, but what else?

Thanks!!!

Differences between IR and Integra/Onkyo (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5320484#post5320484)

Also, there hasn't been any word recently about room correction that I am aware of. It seems likely that they would be working on it in order to stay competitive with the other brands. I would prefer that they either incorporate a good solution such as Audessey or else not bother with it. A half-hearted solution wouldn't be worth the trouble.

Brian

The IR RDC-7.1 has the following advantages:
Apogee Clock
Balanced Outputs
Supposedly better Analogue section but this is not confirmed.
I-Link Card as Standard
Likely Better PSU for Pre Section

The Integra DTR-10.5 has the following Advantages:
Includes Amps
$500 Cheaper (On Retail Price)

The IR DVD player has the folowing advantages over the Integra:
Can Scale External Sources
AES/EBU Ouput
Apogee Clock
Better Build
Superior Power Supply
But its $1500 More

Krobar,

The Integra DVD player also scales external sources. Better build? I dunno about that, either. (In fact, their weight is identical...26.7 lbs.)

Eric

chuckbr,

the HDMI module does up to 1080i, not 1080p. This was just confirmed from Japan HQ.

Eric

Thanks guys, I just ordered a IR RDC7.1. Anything I should know as a new owner?

BTW, I was told by my dealer that I can monitor the mc input while processing a digital source, as in my question earlier, for the record. Also there are still rumors of a room correction option coming.

I'v had the tx-nr1000 and the dv-sp1000 combo for a month now and I love it. But, I have a couple of questions that I am hoping some one can help me with.
It seems that the some of the THX modes are not available unless you are using two back surrounds 7.1. The modes that I cannot access are the THX ultra 2 cinema, THX Ultra 2 Music, THX Ultra 2 Games. I am running a 6.1 system.
Would I hurt anything if I just told the system I had two back surrounds and used only one, or can I bi-Amp the single back surround that I have hooked up? (it is bi-wirable)
Any suggestions?

I actually do that. I tell it I have 7.1 when all I have is 6.1. I have been doing that since December and have never had a problem. I also use a speaker switcher that works with 2 speakers I have on my back deck. It's funny you post this question because for the first time ever lastnite I used the THX Ultra 2 Cinema. It actually had an immersive type sound to it. I usually use Enhance for sports, TV logic for tv sitcoms, PLIIx for most else. But a lot of movies I prefer D.D. EX unless DTS is available.

hifiky and joerod,

No, it shouldn't hurt anything to only have one speaker back there, BUT the THX Ultra2 spec does dictate that you have TWO back surrounds; optimally situated right next to each other.

Eric

I actually use a KLCR in-wall Pinnacle for my back surround. It is a pretty big size speaker and it does the job nicely by itself.

eCost.com had the TX-NR1000 in SILVER finish selling for $ 3299.99 today - this is new not B-Stock. They had 4 in stock this morning and now this afternoon they sold out. Is that a good price for this unit ? I see eCost.com IS an authorized Onlyo dealer too.

Yes, that is an excellent price. Considering the features this unit has plus the sound quality. Forget about buyers remorse and get it!!!

The final price may not seem so good if eCost still adds their "handling fee" or whatever they call it. I ordered a digital camera from them years ago and the fee cut into the savings I thought I would be getting. I haven't ordered anything from them since then.

Brian

It don't matter much now what their handling fee was with them at that price, because they just put them back up at full MSRP of $4999.00 again. But even if the handling fee was $50, $3300.00 + $50 still would have been a great price.

Also one way to sometimes avoid the ecost "handling fees", is to go to their sister site pcmall.com. Because they are both the same place and offer the same products, and most often at the same prices also. But pcmall does not always have the handling fees that ecost has. I found this out when I bought my second Sony CX-DVP777ES megachanger. Because PCmall was almost $50 less total price than ecost was, as they had it with free shipping and no handling charges.

Check out Onecall. They have it listed as "Open Box" and always seem to have 1 item left in stock. Just give them up a call and they will sell you a new unit at that special price.

Also, they seem to have a sale on this unit every 2-3 weeks. Authorized dealer with full warranty as well.

I called in yesterday to eCost.com and they had 1 new TX-NR1000S in SILVER in stock and got it for $ 3299.99 + $ 49.48 ground shipping - no handling cost since I phoned in the order. Order was shipped yesterday and is on it's way.

I just ordered the DV-SP1000S in SILVER from OneCall at a super price as well.

It looks like I am coming into the Onkyo world.

Most posts to come once I receive the items.

That is going to be an awesome combo! I have had them for 5 or 6 months now and every time I watch a movie it still feels like Christmas!

I have the Integra Research RDC-7.1 and would love to mate it with a IR or Onkyo DV-SP1000. Unfortunately it's just not cost worthy enought for me to spend that much money when the HD units are around the corner in 2006.

I also have been enjoying my TX-NR1000, DV-SP1000 combo for just over a month now. It mates up really well with my Onix Rocket speakers and the sheer setup flexibility of the reciever has been great! Up untill now I have been listening to all my movies through stereo only. I was able to finally put togther a full 7.1 setup in a room in our basement and I couldn't be happier. My wife and I need to have her folks babysit our kids more so that we can enjoy other titles than Disney movies and the Thunderbirds remake!:D
BTW that Thunderbirds remake has some great surround effects!
P.S. Has anyone heard anything else about add-in cards to this unit. Room calibration perhaps?

I received my Onkyp DV-SP1000 DVD player in SILVER finish in 1 day from ordering it as OneCall always ships FedEx and it comes the next day. I have already unpacked and used my DV-SP1000 and I must say I am really impressed at many different levels.

The setup menus are easy to move around and understand
The build quality is very, very good
The picture and sound quality are very, very good
The looks are great.

I will be receiving my TX-NR1000 in SILVER finish tomorrow via UPS and I can only hope that UPS was kind and gentle (yea right...) with this 83 pound package as eCost.com typically does not double box their shipments - which I really hate.

It looks like Sound & Vision will have a review of the TX-NR1000 in their next issue. They have preliminary lab measurements posted in PDF on the Sound & Vision homepage under Equipment Reports. I'm not an engineer but the numbers look pretty decent to me. I can't wait to read the complete review.

Here is a link to the S&V lab test report

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/assets/download/OnkyoTX-NR1000lab.pdf

So my SILVER finish TX-NR1000 receiver arrived by UPS yesterday from eCost.com (for a before shipping price of $ 3299.99 and yes it was brand new, factory sealed, A-Stock) and although disappointed it was not double boxed, it arrived safe and sound with the box hardly scrapped or dirty (thank you UPS for not making it look like it went around the world and back).

After flashing the firmware from 1.05 to 1.08 (that takes like 45+ minutes), I got this huge unit into it's home and all connected and working. I have not had a lot of time to play with it, so more details later, but I really all the polssible things you can adjust, etc.

More to come...

How did you upgrade yor firmware? ANd what site were you on?

How did you upgrade yor firmware? ANd what site were you on?

Go to: http://www.onkyousa.com/download/firmware.cfm

Once you unzip the file, there is a .PDF file that takes you step-by-step.

You need to connect a regular (not null-modem) serial cable between your computer and TX-NR1000 (why they do not use the Ethernet connection is really dumb).

I used a Radio Shack 6-Ft. Serial RS-232C Cable; Catalog #: 26-117 http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&product%5Fid=26-117

Originally posted by PSchweitzer
You need to connect a regular (not null-modem) serial cable between your computer and TX-NR1000 (why they do not use the Ethernet connection is really dumb).


The Onkyo and Integra units were developed 1.5 years ago and I think they stuck with RS-232 from the beginning. I think when it finally was ready for production, the Serial connection had already been chosen.

Of course, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394, and Ethernet connections would have been preferable. I have the IR RDC-7.1 and it takes the same ungodly 45mins to upload the 1.08 file. And as bad luck would have it, my laptop is USB only equiped, necessatating me to buy a RS-232 to USB cable.

Other than this bother, they are just fantastic units.

Originally posted by BodegaBay
Of course, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394, and Ethernet connections would have been preferable. I have the IR RDC-7.1 and it takes the same ungodly 45mins to upload the 1.08 file. And as bad luck would have it, my laptop is USB only equiped, necessatating me to buy a RS-232 to USB cable.

Other than this bother, they are just fantastic units.

There was some discussion of allowing firmware updates to these units over the ethernet port on the Net-Tune module. They might have had that in the plans and just haven't written the software to implement it yet. Anyway, I don't have that module for my RDC-7.1 so it doesn't matter. I'm just glad that they have made the firmware available for download now.

Brian

I wasn't aware that the Net Tune module was an option for firmware upload. Interesting, maybe that module will be of use to me afterall. Thanks for the heads up Brian.

Thanks PSchweitzer, I just ordered the cable. Do you know if this does anything different to the display? Joe

Once you unzip the file, there is an MS Excel file that has this firmware history information:

Version # Date Notes

1.03 11/10/2004 first production version

1.04 12/3/2004 minor bug fixes

1.05 12/16/2004 Z2/Z3 RS-232 tuner commands fixed
Net-Tune updates

1.06 2/10/2005 Discrete Z3 IR/RS-232 codes added
minor bug fixes

1.08 3/15/2005 Z2/Z3 IR tuner commands fixed
Z2/Z3 IR Net-Tune commands fixed
Z2/Z3 front panel display changes
i.LINK updates
minor bug fixes

Originally posted by BodegaBay
I wasn't aware that the Net Tune module was an option for firmware upload. Interesting, maybe that module will be of use to me afterall. Thanks for the heads up Brian.

This post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4902861#post4902861) from earlier in the thread might be the one I was remembering. It sounds like the firmware on the Net-Tune module can be upgraded over ethernet, but I'm not sure about the main unit or the rest of the modules.

Brian

So I received my Sound & Vision June 2005 issue with the Onkyo TX-NR1000 receiver review and I must say that although the review showed good results, the reviewer Ken C. Pohlmann says little about nothing. Are these S&V writers that board with seeing so many receivers and processor that they must write about M1A Abrams tanks ?

Originally posted by PSchweitzer
So I received my Sound & Vision June 2005 issue with the Onkyo TX-NR1000 receiver review and I must say that although the review showed good results, the reviewer Ken C. Pohlmann says little about nothing. Are these S&V writers that board with seeing so many receivers and processor that they must write about M1A Abrams tanks ?

You subscribe to S&V???

R

You subscribe to S&V???

I got it as a free bonus for subscribing to some other magazines I ordered.

After having just read the S&V article, I notice they mention a HDMI 1.2 unit (current model is 1.1)that will soon be available. Whats the difference???

I like the idea of an upgradeable receiver as I have spent $$ every 3 years or so to get a newer better reciever (lower end sub 1000$ arena) and once I get some $$ saved up (just bought/built my first house) I'd like to build in a home theatre area and this seems like the receiver to buy.

Originally posted by FusionRx
After having just read the S&V article, I notice they mention a HDMI 1.2 unit (current model is 1.1)that will soon be available. Whats the difference???


I think the module might be HDMI v1.0. In any case, with regard to audio, it only acts as a switch for passing audio along with video to the display. It cannot process the audio for playback over the speaker outputs. The video can be from the HDMI/DVI source or 480p from an upconverted 480i source.

HDMI v1.2 is expected to add support for high resolution audio other than DVD-Audio. The additional formats would include one or more out of this list: SACD, DD+, Dolby Lossless and DTS-HD. The new HDMI standard is not official yet, so that's why not all of the details are known. A new HDMI module from Onkyo/Integra/IR would be expected to support all of the possible audio formats, because that would be the justification for releasing it.

Brian

I gotta give Onkyo credit, the TX-NR1000 did very well in the power output test in the S&V test/review. 133.7wpc with 7 channels driven is pretty darn good, and not that far off from their 150 claimed output. It's certainly a lot closer to it's "claimed" power than many other brands have tested at, when all channels were driven.

But WHY is it, that S&V is testing some with 5 channels driven, and others with 7 channels driven now?

Because last month they tested the Denon 5805 with only 5 channels driven, and this month they tested the Onkyo TX-NR1000 with 7 driven. This is the kind of stuff with reviews/tests, that really make it hard to do fair comparisons about actual outputs. Needles to say even with that, with Onkyo doing better at 7 driven than the Denon did with only 5 driven. It looks like the Onkyo probably has the Denon more than covered with 7 channels driven.


I just hope that Onkyo learned their lessons about saying things are "future proof" with their previous product like the TX-DS989 when they said it back then about them also, and that really mean it this time with the TX-NR1000. At least they used a type of design this time, they should help them in that regard.

Or at least as long as something like a new 17.1 surround format don't show up as becoming the new "must have" defacto standard it should be...;)

I am currently leaning toward buying this receiver. I was wondering if any owners could tell me if there is any UL listing or something similar on this unit? I don't see it listed anywhere on any of the pictures I've seen.

Thanks

I am currently leaning toward buying this receiver. I was wondering if any owners could tell me if there is any UL listing or something similar on this unit? I don't see it listed anywhere on any of the pictures I've seen.

I think UL testing is only voluntary and not mandatory. And it looks like a few other brands do not show any UL label on the back either.

I think UL testing is only voluntary and not mandatory. And it looks like a few other brands do not show any UL label on the back either.

It is voluntary. Most brands, especially the ones with money, do opt for the testing. Many of the high end brands that don't limit current, and therefore would fail the tests, don't get certified.

Hi,

Does anybody know if it is possible to get either HDMI out or component out in zone Main B? The only thing I manage to output to Main B is S-video and composite.

Another thing I can't get to work is Immediate Diplay (eg volume changes etc) on component. I saw somewhere else that you couldn't get it on HDMI (Really a limitation when using more than 1 zone).

There seems to be a bug regarding the network parameters and saving. I tried to set up a fixed IP on it and save the parameters but as soon as I turn the power off and on again the network parameters have reverted to the standard DHCP settings.

/Tommy

eCost.com (an Authorized Onkyo dealer) has the TX-NR1000 in BLACK finish for $ 3099.99 + $ 72.30 shipping + $ 38.75 handling fees + $ 29.99 (if you do not belong to their Platinum Club) = $ 3241.03 shipped !!!

http://www.ecost.com/ecost/shop/detail.asp?dpno=401847


You can typically get the handling fees waived if you call in your order.

Is anyone experiencing video problems through HDMI. My video flashes off and on sometimes. Usually goes off for 3-4 seconds then comes back on.

I had a HD-Tivo going through HDMI-HDMI but was experiencing issues while switching sources and then back.

I switched to Component-HDMI and the source switching problem went away but now screen goes blank every now and again.

I also hooked up a dvd player Component-HDMI and during every movie the video goes out for a few seconds at least 10-15 times.

I am begining to give up on HDMI.

I use a HDMI thru my HD TIVO and never experience any difficulties. I also use the Onk SP1000 without problems. I would call Onkyo on this..if unplugging the HDMI cables and then the unit for 30 seconds does not help...

Hey joerod, what tv do you have?

I have a Samsung HLP-5085. If I am watching my HD Tivo through HDMI-HDMI and then go into the setup menu on the receiver and then back to Tivo my screen turns solid green. Like it looses its connection or something. I have to turn off my tv and then back on for it to start working again.

Thanks

I have my unit connected to an Optoma DLP. No problems, and before that I had it connected to a SONY WV700 crt RPTV without problems as well. I am getting ready to connect it to a BenQ PE7700 PJ, hopefully incident free to...

Hey joerod, what tv do you have?

I have a Samsung HLP-5085. If I am watching my HD Tivo through HDMI-HDMI and then go into the setup menu on the receiver and then back to Tivo my screen turns solid green. Like it looses its connection or something. I have to turn off my tv and then back on for it to start working again.

Thanks

Try to turn off non-interlaced signal (eg run interlaced) in the OSD setup menu. I noticed a strange behavoir regarding component video that was solved by this.

Noone running HDMI/Component video in the Main B zone (se my former message)?

Hi All,

I Purchased the tx nr1000 about 1 month ago. My question is can mp3's and other music formats be accessed thru the mserver when the pc is off? Or is only accessible when the pc and net central are on? THX in advance!