OK, I've been able to CAUSE lip sync delays...now it makes sense why I am constantly seeing it too.

Lip sync delays are caused, at least for me, when I press setup and monkey with the video settings while the video is playing!

anyone else care to see if the same thing happens for them?

I ran into this too. Whenever I change the brightness in the setup while the DVD is playing, it immediately intoduces lip-sync issues . I also get them on layer changes and sometimes...just randomly.

Sorry for the mistake.

This is intriguing. I can't recall whether I've seen lip sync problems during a viewing where I didn't try to fiddle with the set-up options. Can people start testing this? Can anyone confirm still having lip sync issues even without having gone into the set-up menu?

If this were indeed the root of the problem, it should be an easy fix. All Oppo would have to do is disable that function, and force movie playback to stop when the set-up menu is entered (my other DVD players usually do that).

Yeah, I can 3rd that. The worst sync issues I experienced was when I was originally setting up the player. I would do exactly like Ben Dover said. Since I've stopped doing it, it could be why I don't experience the sync issue so much.

That said, I don't think it is the only cause, maybe just one cause. I had a slight sync issue last night, had to stop and play again.

This is intriguing. I can't recall whether I've seen lip sync problems during a viewing where I didn't try to fiddle with the set-up options. Can people start testing this? Can anyone confirm still having lip sync issues even without having gone into the set-up menu?

If this were indeed the root of the problem, it should be an easy fix. All Oppo would have to do is disable that function, and force movie playback to stop when the set-up menu is entered (my other DVD players usually do that).

No, I never mess with the setup menu during movie playback and I frequently have the lip-synch problem. I just play the movie, and at some indeterminate percentage through the movie, I sometimes have to do the pause/play trick to get it back in sync.

Anybody currently beta-testing next firmware ?
Don't wanna know anything else, just that. PM welcome.

Anybody currently beta-testing next firmware ?
Don't wanna know anything else, just that. PM welcome.


I concur. If I don't see some movement from OPPO soon regarding the sync issue, I'm gonna have to dump it. Love the unit but the audio sync is unbearable.

I normally don't go into the setup menu before playing a DVD and have never had a lip-sync problem - until last night. During Zoolander, I had to stop/play twice to re-sync.

I've played dozens of movies on the Oppo, and this was the first time I saw the sync problem.

Hey Guys! Just got the oppo. Interesting in that with my zenith dvb-318, if I paused, chapter skipped, the player went wildly out of sync. And some DVD's like Glengarry Glen Ross, it just kept going out of sync no matter what. Perhaps with badly flagged discs, the Faroudja motion adaptive thingy gets out of whack with the audio. Stopping and restarting for the zenith USUALLY works but with Glengarry, it didn't matter. Most discs with the zenith, no probs. I'm curious to see how the oppo works with this. The native 576P pal pic, is phenomenal and the upscaled DVI pic. for NTSC is a tad better than my zenith.

I'll be back! :) d

Is there any single title with reproducable sync issues for everyone? I just got an Oppo and I haven't seen any sync issues yet.

Also, has anyone tried switching to the component output when there's a sync problem and see if the sync problem goes away? If it's really the Faroudja chip causing the problem then you wouldn't see sync issues on the component output which completely bypasses the chip. I have both DVI and component outputs hooked to my TV and the first time I see a sync problem I'm ready to switch inputs on my TV and see if there's a difference.

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I had a problem occur with my Pana 700 one day after hooking up the oppo to it via HDMI with the oppo supplied cable. The projector went in for repairs and a globe was replaced first then a "ballast" board both to no avail. The PJ is now being replaced with a new one from Panasonic and I am worried the new one could die if there are rouge signals comming into the HDMI port from the Oppo - I realise this may be unjustified but the fact that the failure came soon after hooking up the oppo worries me. I have been without a projector for two months (ahrrg!!) and using s-video to my 80cm TV from the oppo in the mean time. One thought I had was that the signal strength/intensity may have been enough to cause the existing fault in the projector to emerge fully - that is the fault was indeed with the projector and the oppo just pushed it over the edge. I have 1350 hours on the PJ prior to this incedent.

The fault. The projector just shut down right in the middle of watching a movie. I had already watched a couple of movies and calibrated the projector with DVE prior to the failure. The Pana would cycle on and off with the standby light going from green to amber to red, eventually the Pana would stay off completely. The fault is intermittent in nature and at the repair shop would sometimes not come on at all, I called in to see how it was going and the tech said it seemed to be ok but when he fired it up with me there it failed.

Anyone see anything like this? Should I be looking at the HDMI output from the oppo to check levels are within spec? Should I be concerned when I hook up the new PJ?

Any help advice apprieciated - I get my new PJ next week

...I am worried the new one could die if there are rouge signals comming into the HDMI port from the Oppo - I realise this may be unjustified but the fact that the failure came soon after hooking up the oppo worries me.

...One thought I had was that the signal strength/intensity may have been enough to cause the existing fault in the projector to emerge fully - that is the fault was indeed with the projector and the oppo just pushed it over the edge.

...Anyone see anything like this? Should I be looking at the HDMI output from the oppo to check levels are within spec? Should I be concerned when I hook up the new PJ?No "rouge" signals coming from the Oppo... the signal strength/intensity is fine when compared with other players. The slim possibility that you received a bad Oppo has been ruled out by the repair shop, who got the PJ working, but promptly blew it again - using their equipment.

Gary

No "rouge" signals coming from the Oppo... the signal strength/intensity is fine when compared with other players. The slim possibility that you received a bad Oppo has been ruled out by the repair shop, who got the PJ working, but promptly blew it again - using their equipment.

Gary

I think your right, however, I picked up the unit from the repairer and he indicated that he had it running (more than likely with no signal - just the blue screen) for a couple of hours. It died very quickly at my home after hooking the Oppo up to the projector and turing everything on.

I'm inclined to go ahead when I get the new Panny but I might cross my fingers for the first few powerups......

Anybody currently beta-testing next firmware ?
Don't wanna know anything else, just that. PM welcome.

Nobody ? Which means... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Nobody ? Which means... :confused: :confused: :confused:

Which means they're still working on it.

And nobody to tell what's included in IT ? Would be foolish to assume they work on the entire wishlist (or whatever it's called). So what's in the stove ? Lipsynch issue but what else ?

Hopefully enable 854 x 480 mapping to properly mate our low rez PJs.

Probably reduce macroblocking if they can. Hopefully, fix the underscanning.

...ooooh, and I hope they add a bitrate meter at some point.... (not likely, I know)

This is what Oppo had to tell me re: the lip-sync issue:

"Lip-synching is an issue that is very display dependent. Something you
can try is to set Delays on the DVD player and reciever unit in order
to curb instances of audio-syncing errors. We are looking into a more
aggressive fix in the future, but we have no roadmap as to when this
will become available, due to the nature of the error itself (ie. all
video, and no audio, is buffered. This becomes a problem when the DVD
player is mated to a display device that also buffers the video. This
is currently a manufactured flaw in the Faroudja chipset in our 971H)"

The delay trick is only useful if you *always* experience lip-sync problems. In my case, they are intermittent so it's of no use.

While I commend Oppo for their top rate support and customer service, I am afraid I'll have to send mine back because I am not willing to live with stop/start a movie several times to get rid of the unwanted effect. This is a real shame because I absolutely love everything else about this player.

And nobody to tell what's included in IT ? Would be foolish to assume they work on the entire wishlist (or whatever it's called). So what's in the stove ? Lipsynch issue but what else ?

It was said earlier in the thread that the lip sync issue is Oppo's top priority. I imagine they're working primarily on that, and will address less crucial issues afterwards.

Oppo is a small operation. Give them a chance to get to the bottom of this.

I'm getting the player next month. What I want to do is hook it to my HDMI and plug the left and right front speaker outputs to the HDMI RCA stereo inputs on my TV AND plug the digital coax to my receiver. My goal here is to spread my front left and righ speaker sound by having the TV augment the receiver. Will the Oppo output to both 5.1 and digital out? Is this a stupid idea? I've got a Sony 60WF655 with tall speakers and am using a Panny HT-05 with short speakers.

I'm getting the player next month. What I want to do is hook it to my HDMI and plug the left and right front speaker outputs to the HDMI RCA stereo inputs on my TV AND plug the digital coax to my receiver. My goal here is to spread my front left and righ speaker sound by having the TV augment the receiver. Will the Oppo output to both 5.1 and digital out? Is this a stupid idea? I've got a Sony 60WF655 with tall speakers and am using a Panny HT-05 with short speakers.

The Oppo will output 5.1 and digital at the same time. I've switched between digital and 5.1 analog just fine on my receiver before at least.

Though, I would not advise you to do what you plan on doing. If you've already got a 5.1 speaker system set up, I seriously doubt the sound quality of your speakers is anywhere close to your regular speakers, it will likely sound off and give bad sound imaging.

regarding the lip synch, I have set the audio delay to 20ms and have noticed only BARELY lip synch problems on rare occassions.... for those who are complaining, have they tried to experiment with the audio delay feature?

This is what Oppo had to tell me re: the lip-sync issue:

"Lip-synching is an issue that is very display dependent. Something you
can try is to set Delays on the DVD player and reciever unit in order
to curb instances of audio-syncing errors. We are looking into a more
aggressive fix in the future, but we have no roadmap as to when this
will become available, due to the nature of the error itself (ie. all
video, and no audio, is buffered. This becomes a problem when the DVD
player is mated to a display device that also buffers the video. This
is currently a manufactured flaw in the Faroudja chipset in our 971H)"

The delay trick is only useful if you *always* experience lip-sync problems. In my case, they are intermittent so it's of no use.

While I commend Oppo for their top rate support and customer service, I am afraid I'll have to send mine back because I am not willing to live with stop/start a movie several times to get rid of the unwanted effect. This is a real shame because I absolutely love everything else about this player.

I find it difficult to believe that it could be display dependent. If so, why would you only see it on DVI from the Oppo and not any other DVI/HDMI or component sources such as cable boxes, other DVD players, etc.?

I find it difficult to believe that it could be display dependent. If so, why would you only see it on DVI from the Oppo and not any other DVI/HDMI or component sources such as cable boxes, other DVD players, etc.?

I honestly believe that any manufacturer using the latest Faroudja deinterlacing/scaling chipsets will rely on the "display dependent" explanation for both lip-synch and macroblock issues, and that is because there are examples where the display does contribute to these problems. It sounds like a cop-out to some extent, but the manufacturers using Faroudja are in a tough situation because Genesis Microchip have not been very forthcoming as far as acknowledging the problems and/or offering fixes to those manufacturers who are placing their faith in the good name Faroudja has attained for the excellence of their DCDi algorithm and the performance level of previous chipsets. It does not appear that Oppo has received much help from Faroudja in addressing the lip-synch error, since they are referring to it as a "manufactured flaw in the Faroudja chipset" .

Oppo has been very fair in acknowledging the lip synch issue, and their technical staff seem to understand the basic nature of the problem with which they are dealing. The big question that remains to be answered is whether they will be able to implement a solution that handles the problem the way manufacturers such as Denon and Panasonic have adressed the issue. I have both the Panasonic DVD-S97 and the Denon DVD-1920, and have not experienced lip-synch problems with either unit to this point.

The problem is related to a display only in the sense that displays that induce video delay through buffering can exaggerate the already exising random lip-synch error, which is a flaw manufactured into the Faroudja chipset.

So let me ask this: if the player were able to implement a longer fixed delay buffer for both video and audio globally, would that give the chipset enough time to 'catch up' with all the processing it needs to do and keep everything in sync?

So let me ask this: if the player were able to implement a longer fixed delay buffer for both video and audio globally, would that give the chipset enough time to 'catch up' with all the processing it needs to do and keep everything in sync?

I would imagine that Oppo techs are asking that very question. Let's hope that there is some room for tuning the video buffer and actually adding a buffer for the audio.

I find it difficult to believe that it could be display dependent. If so, why would you only see it on DVI from the Oppo and not any other DVI/HDMI or component sources such as cable boxes, other DVD players, etc.?My display (Samsung DLP) has a video lag problem that absolutely worsens any lag from the DVD and/or player. My neighbor's display does not have such a lag. So from the point of view of constant lag, the lip-sync issue is very definitely display-dependant. But the sudden, intermittent drop of sync that Faroudja is so infamous for, is a different issue altogether. That one is not display-dependant.

I was involved to some extent when Samsung went through this same intermittent Faroudja sync issue. According to the precious little I managed to extract from their engineers, it seemed that (as Josh has suggested) they decided to deliberately buffer more frames full-time, rather than use the default number of frames. So when the video processor hiccups, it doesn't need to suddenly increase the number of buffered frames to keep up. That seems to work... but the side-effect of buffering more frames, is that video lag is increased, so to keep sync, the audio has to be buffered by the same amount. The audio buffering can be made user-adjustable to compensate for display-dependant delays too.

Of course, none of these fixes can compensate for the alarming number of sync errors in today's source material.

Gary

Is there any single title with reproducable sync issues for everyone? I just got an Oppo and I haven't seen any sync issues yet.

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Steve

Yes Steve try "the Waterboy".... this movie will display the worst lip sync imaginable without "triggering"it(pausing,menu.etc)... unfortuantely this problem has caused me to return my oppo (2nd after 1st one was sent in with the waterboy copy)... according to CS at oppo there is a call back list for those interested in getting a player once the bugs have been eradicated. tonight I pick up a panny S97S..... we'll see what that looks like..... gook luck steve!

Does anyone know if there is upcoming firmware that would address the problem of the x1 picture not covering the whole screen and leaving some unlit pixels (about 1/3 in all arount the image in all DVI modes. I have a 42 plasma and this is going to improperly burn if this is not fixed soon. Is Oppo working on this?? If not I will return it

You need to adjust your plasma in the service menu.

Does anyone know if there is upcoming firmware that would address the problem of the x1 picture not covering the whole screen and leaving some unlit pixels (about 1/3 in all arount the image in all DVI modes. I have a 42 plasma and this is going to improperly burn if this is not fixed soon. Is Oppo working on this?? If not I will return it

There should be a setting somewhere on your plasma menu (possibly service menu) where you can stretch the pic.

There should be a setting somewhere on your plasma menu (possibly service menu) where you can stretch the pic.

YES, that is what I have been doing. The problem is with a foreign film with subtitles. Then I lose have the subtitles. I almost learned Italian yesterday watching "Cinema Paradiso"

By the way, this is Oppo's reply to my email. would this cure the problem??

"We are seriously looking into including custom resolutions in the
future. Right now, all output is 1:1 mapped to the DVD encode, and ot
the television set. We are looking into ways of incorporating 1366x768
and other common aspect ratios in a future firmware update."

WOULD THE ABOVE SOLVE THE PROBLEM

Yes Steve try "the Waterboy".... this movie will display the worst lip sync imaginable without "triggering"it(pausing,menu.etc)... unfortuantely this problem has caused me to return my oppo (2nd after 1st one was sent in with the waterboy copy)... according to CS at oppo there is a call back list for those interested in getting a player once the bugs have been eradicated. tonight I pick up a panny S97S..... we'll see what that looks like..... gook luck steve!
Any *good* movies that have the problem? :-)

OK I'll add it to my Netflix queue. But you didn't mention if you checked the component output to see if it's a problem with the disc itself or if it's due to an issue with the Faroudja chip.

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Steve

Can anyone please tell me how to access the service menu in my Hitachi 42HDT50 plasma? TIA.

Jim

Does anyone know if there is upcoming firmware that would address the problem of the x1 picture not covering the whole screen and leaving some unlit pixels (about 1/3 in all arount the image in all DVI modes. I have a 42 plasma and this is going to improperly burn if this is not fixed soon. Is Oppo working on this?? If not I will return itThis issue has been confirmed by Guy Kuo and is on the defect list. (Image does not fill the entire frame. There is a 3-4 pixel border all around the image in all DVI resolutions). Adding custom resolutions is not the solution to the above problem.

Oppo will work on it, but we don't know when... some issues have higher priority.

Gary

This issue has been confirmed by Guy Kuo and is on the defect list. (Image does not fill the entire frame. There is a 3-4 pixel border all around the image in all DVI resolutions). Adding custom resolutions is not the solution to the above problem.

Oppo will work on it, but we don't know when... some issues have higher priority.

Gary
Well if you have a new Plasma display, this should be high priority as unevening burning can occur. I would say this is higher priority than any of the other issues

Well if you have a new Plasma display, this should be high priority as unevening burning can occur. I would say this is higher priority than any of the other issuesI was assuming (maybe incorrectly) that your plasma has a 720p (1280x720) or 1080i (1920x1080) NATIVE resolution. If not, then what I described may not be the fix at all. Plasma displays often have unusual resolutions. In that case, it would be up to the display to correctly resize the image and prevent burn-in.

Gary

I was assuming (maybe incorrectly) that your plasma has a 720p (1280x720) or 1080i (1920x1080) NATIVE resolution. If not, then what I described may not be the fix at all. Plasma displays often have unusual resolutions. In that case, it would be up to the display to correctly resize the image and prevent burn-in.

Gary

I dont think additional resolutions would fix the problem, as the unlit pixels around the image are not lit no matter what resolution I choose with the Oppo. This does not happen with any other source, including input from cables box or PC.
I can enlarge the image with TV zoom, but then I lose part of the image and if it is a foreign film, I lose half of the subtitles. It's either overscanning or underscanning.

I dont think additional resolutions would fix the problem, as the unlit pixels around the image are not lit no matter what resolution I choose with the Oppo. This does not happen with any other source, including input from cables box or PC.
I can enlarge the image with TV zoom, but then I lose part of the image and if it is a foreign film, I lose half of the subtitles. It's either overscanning or underscanning.

What are you feeding to your display with your other sources? Are any of them 480p,720p, or 1080i also? does feeding a 480i signal via component (as a test) on the Oppo show up fine?

Do you have the Oppo set to widescreen in the player's set up?

[QUOTE=kanefsky]Any *good* movies that have the problem? :-)

OK I'll add it to my Netflix queue. But you didn't mention if you checked the component output to see if it's a problem with the disc itself or if it's due to an issue with the Faroudja chip.

Steve, what dvd you play(as long as it's original, not a copy or bootleg) should play without problems, regardless of pq transfer etc. as far as the component test goes; it yielded the same results, the dvd was used on both a Denon 4806 and and Onkyo 1000; both receiver flagships, the result.....same. all I can say is that I look forward to owning a problem free oppo in the future.

Regarding the new Panasonic S97.... preliminary testing has been quite satisfactory; I'm beginig to thing that the extra $100.00 over the oppo may be excusable... we'll see.

Steve, what dvd you play(as long as it's original, not a copy or bootleg) should play without problems, regardless of pq transfer etc. as far as the component test goes; it yielded the same results, the dvd was used on both a Denon 4806 and and Onkyo 1000; both receiver flagships, the result.....same. all I can say is that I look forward to owning a problem free oppo in the future.

I've played several DVDs on my Oppo so far, all without lipsync problems over DVI or component.

So you're saying you see the lipsync problem with The Waterboy over component as well as DVI? If that's true it's either a problem with the mastering of the DVD itself or it's something unrelated to the Faroudja chip which I thought was bypassed on the component output. The Oppo only supports 480i via the component output and the Secrets site actually says that the Faroudja chip is on the DVI board itself.

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Steve

What are you feeding to your display with your other sources? Are any of them 480p,720p, or 1080i also? does feeding a 480i signal via component (as a test) on the Oppo show up fine?

Do you have the Oppo set to widescreen in the player's set up?

I have not tried component so dont know, everything is set correctly. It is just that 1/2" black out, this has nothing to do with letter box/pillar. Even in the Oppo initial blue screen the same pixels are not lighted, this is either overscanning or underscanning by the Oppo and is getting to be too annoying as I own a Plasma and I am concerned. I dont want to Zoom from my TV b/c then I lose part of the screen and also lose part of subtitles. This sucks :mad:

I have not tried component so dont know, everything is set correctly. It is just that 1/2" black out, this has nothing to do with letter box/pillar. Even in the Oppo initial blue screen the same pixels are not lighted, this is either overscanning or underscanning by the Oppo and is getting to be too annoying as I own a Plasma and I am concerned. I dont want to Zoom from my TV b/c then I lose part of the screen and also lose part of subtitles. This sucks :mad:

Oh ok, I thought it may have been a letterbox issue but it is not. I get the same underscanning too with my projector. I have an option to overscan to compensate for it on my display, does your plasma have something similar? It shouldn't be a problem over 480i since its analog, but then you lose the deinterlacing/scaling advantage.

I just got an oppo and I plugged it into my hdmi input of my toshiba 52hm84. I put in the movie final fantasy : the spirits within to see how the picture looked. It looked really really bad. It was so grainy that it looked like the movie was being projected onto a sheet of 50grit sandpaper. The oppo was on the 720p setting. Changing the sharpness did nothing.

Did I set something up wrong? How do I get rid of this sandpaper looking image?

Have you calibrated your display to your new Oppo? My Oppo arrives Tuesday. The first disc I'll be playing is the Avia calibration disc. THX Optimizer and other calibration DVD's will work too. How else would you know if your contrast, brightness, sharpness, hue and color are adjusted correctly?

Yes, the TV can zoom, but the lesser zoom is 150%. What I have been doing is putting Oppo at 1/2 size and zooming the TV 150%. But it still zooms a little bit so that the bottom 1/2 of a subtitle is lost. I would think that Oppo could easily fix this. I have already emailed them, but I dont think that they understood what I was saying b/c they answered that they were working on additional resolutions. That would not fix this. It's a shame, b/c the underscanning is the only complaint that I have. I love the PQ and have not had lip synch problems. I am waiting to see, but may return within the 30 day period is this becomes unbearable.

Steve, what dvd you play(as long as it's original, not a copy or bootleg) should play without problems, regardless of pq transfer etc. as far as the component test goes; it yielded the same results
Well I got my copy of The Waterboy from Netflix today, and sure enough it has pretty bad sync. Both DVI and component outputs were affected, with the DVI being a bit worse. It played on my Panasonic portable without any sync problem.

I can only assume that it's an issue with the MPEG decoder since the 480i component output was also out of sync. So far this is the first disc I've had a sync problem with. It may be poorly mastered, and some players are just able to handle it better than others (like with physical disc defects).

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Steve

I have not tried component so dont know, everything is set correctly. It is just that 1/2" black out, this has nothing to do with letter box/pillar. Even in the Oppo initial blue screen the same pixels are not lighted, this is either overscanning or underscanning by the Oppo and is getting to be too annoying as I own a Plasma and I am concerned. A HALF INCH border... on a plasma?! Then your problem is NOT the confirmed issue on the defect list. The Oppo has only has a 2-3 pixel border around the image, that is not visible on the vast majority of displays. Your problem is therefore most likely a scaling issue with your display. You still haven't told us what the NATIVE resolution of your plasma is.

Gary

A HALF INCH border... on a plasma?! Then your problem is NOT the confirmed issue on the defect list. The Oppo has only has a 2-3 pixel border around the image, that is not visible on the vast majority of displays. Your problem is therefore most likely a scaling issue with your display. You still haven't told us what the NATIVE resolution of your plasma is.

Gary

The native resolution of my plasma is 1024 x 1024, 42in plasma

All other input from cable box completely fills the screen, I have the cable box at 1080i and Oppo at 720, b/c Oppo at 1080i shimmers. All Oppo resolutions leave the border all around the image

A HALF INCH The Oppo has only has a 2-3 pixel border around the image,
Gary

How could you see a 2-3 pixel border, the pixels on my tv are microscopic??

How could you see a 2-3 pixel border, the pixels on my tv are microscopic??Precisely! That tiny border is not visible at all on my display. Only some of the front-projection owners have noticed this issue.

Gary

Precisely! That tiny border is not visible at all on my display. Only some of the front-projection owners have noticed this issue.

Gary

Then I dont know how to fix it or wether it can be fixed. But any other source, Cable Box or PC (top and bottom) does not have this problem. I cannot find any other settings on my TV that I can change, so I guess I have to decide if I want to keep the Oppo or not. I like the pic quality, if I could just zoom just enough on TV to avoid this, but the lesser zoom is 150%, zooming with the Oppo does nothing to those unlit pixels, any other suggestions????? Is there another Oppo secret menu, other then 9210 or 1234 for macrovision???? Thanks

...any other suggestions????? Is there another Oppo secret menu, other then 9210 or 1234 for macrovision???? ThanksSorry, no other menus that we know of.

A very small number of displays seem to behave as yours does, and it definitely seems to be a display issue (scaling). Someone else who had a similar issue, tried the Panasonic and Denon players and had the same result. So, if you decide to replace the Oppo, make sure the new player doesn't do the same.

Maybe you could post your questions on the plasma forums, or ask your plasma manufacturer.

Gary

OK, many thanks, I emailed Akai to see what they have to say. But Akai's customer support is a far cry from Oppo's. I have called them before, and they seem not to have a lot of technical knowledge and do not seem trained. Will see if I get anywhere.
Oppo did reply that they were considering 1024 x 1024 to be added. Would this do the trick?

The native resolution of my plasma is 1024 x 1024, 42in plasma

1024x1024 would be a 1:1 aspect ratio screen. As far as I know, there are no consumer monitors of any brand designed like that. Even 1024x768 would be a 4:3 screen, and every plasma I've ever seen has been 16:9.

You might want to recheck those numbers. 1024x576 seems more likely.

1024x1024 would be a 1:1 aspect ratio screen. As far as I know, there are no consumer monitors of any brand designed like that. Even 1024x768 would be a 4:3 screen, and every plasma I've ever seen has been 16:9.

You might want to recheck those numbers. 1024x576 seems more likely.

The numbers are correct 1024 x 1024 pixels,
http://akaiusa.com/pdp4297hd.htm

the aspect ratio is 16:9
This is an ALiS glass, which is common.

Which model plasma do you have? On Akai's website, the only 42" plasma they show (PDP-42TD1) lists a resolution of 852 x480.

Which model plasma do you have? On Akai's website, the only 42" plasma they show (PDP-42TD1) lists a resolution of 852 x480.

I got a Viore made by Akai. All the support comes from the Akai reps.

Which model plasma do you have? On Akai's website, the only 42" plasma they show (PDP-42TD1) lists a resolution of 852 x480.


VIORE V42PD45MS made by Akai. Also you got to go to Akaiusa.com not akai.com

They have 2 other HD modesl

PDP4296HD 42" HD Plasma Television
PDP4297HD 42" HD Plasma Television
http://akaiusa.com/pdp4297hd.htm

Even 1024x768 would be a 4:3 screen.

That is incorrect, 1024 x768 is 16:9 aspect ratio
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B0007WKB0K/qid=1124222517/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_unbuck_1/104-8492897-9215121?v=glance&s=electronics&n=172594


1024 x 1024 is 16.9 aspect ratio, and FANTASTIC RESOLUTION
achieved because the 1024 x 1024 has in reality
H 3072 subpixels by V 1024 pixel :D :eek:

It seems to be an issue with your display and dvi sources. Have you fed your plasma any other dvi sources? Have you tried component on the Oppo as a test?

No, I have not fed Oppo from component b/c would lose the upconverting if I did and I dont think that my cable box is DVI enable yet, so have not fed DVI other than from Oppo.

That is incorrect, 1024 x768 is 16:9 aspect ratio
1024 x 1024 is 16.9 aspect reatio, and FANTASTIC RESOLUTION
achieved because the 1024 x 1024 has in reality
H 3072 subpixels by V 1024 pixel :D :eek:

Brian Fantana: [speaking of a musk] They've done studies, you know. Sixty percent of the time it works every time.
Ron Burgundy: That doesn't make sense.

:)

I think I'm doing my math correct.....1024x1024 is 1:1. 3072x1024 is 3:1. 854x480 is 16:9, 1280x720 is 16:9, 1920x1080 is 16:9.

Brian Fantana: [speaking of a musk] They've done studies, you know. Sixty percent of the time it works every time.
Ron Burgundy: That doesn't make sense.

:)

I think I'm doing my math correct.....1024x1024 is 1:1. 3072x1024 is 3:1. 854x480 is 16:9, 1280x720 is 16:9, 1920x1080 is 16:9.

I am sure u are doing your math correctly, BUT U ARE INCORRECTLY ASSUMING THAT ALL PIXELS ARE SQUARE. You cannot determine the aspect ratio by dividing the pixels by 16 and 9 the way you are doing. That is only correct if the PIXELS ARE SQUARE. The ALiS glass 1024 x 1024 has rectangular pixels
http://www.plasmadepot.com/plasmatv/howplasmaworks.html
You can read about the ALiS panel there and see the pixels are rectangular
"Because there is less screen "real estate" taken up by electrode strips, there's more illuminated area, and as a result, ALiS panels provide a seamlessly clear, bright image. Other ALiS benefits include high-efficiency — they require only half the voltage of conventional plasma drive systems — and extended panel life. "

Thanks for the clarification.

Thanks for the clarification.

My pleasure. I will get around to testing the Oppo over component, but right now I don't feel like messing with the cables. I am gonna keep it, I believe that Oppo will eventually correct the cut pixel problem if is something with the Oppo. By the way, my TV has an option for "native resolution", where it does not do any scaling and takes the input as it comes. I tried that with the Oppo and the image still has the small bars around it, even on the Oppo blue no disc screen. I don't really think is the TV. We will wait and see.
CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT OPPO FIRMWARE UPDATE. ANY IDEA WHEN IS COMING??? :D

I tried that with the Oppo and the image still has the small bars around it, even on the Oppo blue no disc screen. I don't really think is the TV. Then why doesn't everybody else's TV show black bars around the image?

The blue Oppo logo has a +/- 2 pixel white border around the image, plus the 2-3 pixel black (unused) border around that.

Then why doesn't everybody else's TV show black bars around the image?

The blue Oppo logo has a +/- 2 pixel white border around the image, plus the 2-3 pixel black (unused) border around that.

Everybody else shows black bars around the image, it is in the request list at the beginning of this thread, the question is the size, I believe that it is more than 2-3 pixels.

The current defect list says in Item 4.
"Image does not fill the entire frame. There is a 3-4 pixel border all around the image in all DVI resolutions."

I believe that the black border is more than 2-3 pixels and probably more than the 3-4 pixel stated in the defect list.
Why can't Oppo fix that??

Well, I just received my new Oppo today and, I must say, that out of the box this player's picture and sound are awesome. I think the only thing I had to do in the menu was select Dolby 5.1 and enable my subwoofer. I've been warming up my tv with the Eagles Farewell I Tour and I'm about ready to calibrate my display to this player using Avia. I haven't noticed any shimmering, macroblocking, or lip synch issues at all. I'll report back after I've calibrated my display and watch some demanding scenes on some other dvd's.

I believe that the black border is more than 2-3 pixels and probably more than the 3-4 pixel stated in the defect list. Why can't Oppo fix that??Oppo CAN fix it. But if you don't believe the 3-4 pixel border, read this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5862009&&#post5862009) by an expert in the video field, who specifically tested this problem on the Oppo.

Gary

Well, I just received my new Oppo today and, I must say, that out of the box this player's picture and sound are awesome. I think the only thing I had to do in the menu was select Dolby 5.1 and enable my subwoofer. I've been warming up my tv with the Eagles Farewell I Tour and I'm about ready to calibrate my display to this player using Avia. I haven't noticed any shimmering, macroblocking, or lip synch issues at all. I'll report back after I've calibrated my display and watch some demanding scenes on some other dvd's.We'll look forward to it. What kind of display do you have? Nevermind... a Sony 50" Grand Wega LCD Rear Projection (KF-50WE610) I presume?

Gary

Hey guys, my new oppo is sweet but it's annoying dealing with the brightness adjustment issue whenever I switch between PAL and NTSC output, (my FP is an optoma h57, so I get native pal output) Are they gonna fix that so we don't have to do the brightness dance in the menu each time? Thanx! d

Oppo CAN fix it. But if you don't believe the 3-4 pixel border, read this post (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5862009&&#post5862009) by an expert in the video field, who specifically tested this problem on the Oppo.

Gary
Thanks for the link to the post. The quote in that post says "
"using the IF Underscan Zoom control on both eliminates the problem, but loses 1:1 pixel mapping"

How do I access teh IF Underscan Zoom control in the Oppo that this fellow says cured the problem??? :o

OK, Tonight I calibrated my Sony GWIII's display to the Oppo's DVI output using the Avia DVD. In order to correctly calibrate my display, I had to increase brightness level in the Oppo's menu to 3 (default is 0). I left everything else at the Oppo's default settings. I've noticed that the Sharpness test screen on the Avia DVD looks much sharper with the Oppo. This is a major improvement in PQ from my Sammy 841. Regarding the lip sync issue: have any of you that are experiencing this problem accidentally gone into the 'Channel Delay' menu and changed the delay to your center or rear surround speakers? I accidentally did this and audio became severely out of sync with the video. I set all speakers back to zero and the problem completely went away. I 've watched quite a bit of The Eagles Farewell I Tour and some of the Cher Farewell Tour tonight and am very impressed with PQ and sound quality so far - both have DTS soundtracks. BTW I'm running my sound through an optical cable to my home theater receiver and I run my video signal through a Monster DVI-HDMI adaptor cable to a Lenexpo HDMI switcher and then with a Monster HDMI-DVI adaptor cable to my Sony and have had no problems with video dropouts whatsoever.

Thanks for the link to the post. The quote in that post says "
"using the IF Underscan Zoom control on both eliminates the problem, but loses 1:1 pixel mapping"

How do I access teh IF Underscan Zoom control in the Oppo that this fellow says cured the problem??? :o

He's talking about his Infocus (IF) projector. I checked on my 92" screen today with my Infocus 4805 today, its about 5-6 pixels lost on each side. Using overscan on my projector eliminates the black border.

He's talking about his Infocus (IF) projector. I checked on my 92" screen today with my Infocus 4805 today, its about 5-6 pixels lost on each side. Using overscan on my projector eliminates the black border.

Yep, 5 or 6 pixels sounds more like it on mine

wwwin,

Have you gone into the TV's hidden service menu at all? There probably is an option to 'stretch' the DVI input screen to the edge of the frames. A few people with plasmas (myself included) have had odd framing problems with the Oppo over DVI. In each case it was not the fault of the Oppo, but the calibration of the TV.

If you get into the service menu, there is more than likely a setting to stretch the XY of the screen to fit entirely. I'm betting if you try something else on the DVI input that you'll have a similar problem.

I played about 10 minutes of the Dark Side of the Rainbow DVD last night. For those not familiar with this one, it's a High Performance Megabit DVD (1.5 Mb/s bitrate). Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is in 5.1 DTS or Dolby 5.1 (two distinct audio tracks) and it's synchronized to the movie Wizard of Oz. This dvd stuttered (video and audio) about 7 times in the first 10 minutes of the movie. Audio and video both pause for about a second, then the player rewinds to where it messed up and begins playing again. Is anyone aware of any settings I should be using when playing this type of dvd? Audio is again going through an optical cable to my Denon home theater receiver. This dvd plays without problem in my Sammy 841.

I also watched The Matrix last night and it played without a problem. PQ is very good with this player!

Hey Gang,

I am thinking of buying the Oppo. I just got a new BenqPE7700 projector and would like to send it DVD via upconverting 720p. Just a few questions -

1. Do you think it is wise to order now? You guys have identified many bugs. If I order now, will I still have to upload the software fixes mentioned in the forum, or will the new unit be ready to go? Are new units now being sent out now with many of the
bugs corrected?

2. I already have a good progressive dvd player - Sony DVP-NS900V-SACD. I am feeding my projector 480p, with little or no artifacts. My player is probably about 3-4 years old. Do you think I would get a sharper, better image via upconverted 720 DVI-HDMI using the Oppo?

3. It is possible to connect 2 dvd players easily to receiver and speakers? I would like to use the Oppo for DVD viewing and possibly DVD-Audio, while at the SAME time be able to use my Sony for listening to SACD or just plain CDs. What do you think? If it means changing cables constantly, I will nix my idea.

Thanks in advance!

wwwin,

Have you gone into the TV's hidden service menu at all? There probably is an option to 'stretch' the DVI input screen to the edge of the frames. A few people with plasmas (myself included) have had odd framing problems with the Oppo over DVI. In each case it was not the fault of the Oppo, but the calibration of the TV.

If you get into the service menu, there is more than likely a setting to stretch the XY of the screen to fit entirely. I'm betting if you try something else on the DVI input that you'll have a similar problem.

You may be right, but I don't know how to get into the service menu, I emailed Akai 2 days ago and still waiting for reply. My TV has great resolution but customer support is the worst ever.

wwwin,

Have you gone into the TV's hidden service menu at all? There probably is an option to 'stretch' the DVI input screen to the edge of the frames. A few people with plasmas (myself included) have had odd framing problems with the Oppo over DVI. In each case it was not the fault of the Oppo, but the calibration of the TV.

If you get into the service menu, there is more than likely a setting to stretch the XY of the screen to fit entirely. I'm betting if you try something else on the DVI input that you'll have a similar problem.

OK, I posted in the Viore thread to see if anybody knows how to access the secret service menue.
I have one question, is it possible to have Oppo thru firmware update so that the component output is also 1080i/720P. That would solve the problem. Component from my cable box on HD channels is fantastic. Would not Oppo support more people and sell more if they offered the upcoverting through component too. I mean, there is a thread just devoted for people that want or need upconversion through component.

OK, I posted in the Viore thread to see if anybody knows how to access the secret service menue.
I have one question, is it possible to have Oppo thru firmware update so that the component output is also 1080i/720P. That would solve the problem. Component from my cable box on HD channels is fantastic. Would not Oppo support more people and sell more if they offered the upcoverting through component too. I mean, there is a thread just devoted for people that want or need upconversion through component.

It's been asked many times, I believe the Faroudja deinterlacer/scaler is only connected to the dvi output. The component connection can't even do 480p because of this.

1. Do you think it is wise to order now? You guys have identified many bugs. If I order now, will I still have to upload the software fixes mentioned in the forum, or will the new unit be ready to go? Are new units now being sent out now with many of the bugs corrected? The software fixes will be up to date if you order now. Future fixes are easy to apply if you have CD-burning capability on your computer. Make sure you understand all the bugs in the list. Some may be significant to you, but most will not affect you at all. Realize that many are wishlist items, not defects. Lastly, other players also have their defects, perhaps the same as the Oppo's (macroblocking, for example).
2. I already have a good progressive dvd player - Sony DVP-NS900V-SACD. I am feeding my projector 480p, with little or no artifacts. My player is probably about 3-4 years old. Do you think I would get a sharper, better image via upconverted 720 DVI-HDMI using the Oppo?Yes you will see a better picture. There will be many advantages, but they may be subtle things.
3. It is possible to connect 2 dvd players easily to receiver and speakers? I would like to use the Oppo for DVD viewing and possibly DVD-Audio, while at the SAME time be able to use my Sony for listening to SACD or just plain CDs. What do you think? If it means changing cables constantly, I will nix my idea.It depends entirely on your receiver, but most can handle multiple DVD/CD inputs quite easily.

Gary

Currently have a Momitsu for 1080i over DVI. It has always given a great pic but the build quality and remote are another story. Been having tray issues lately in that it will not stay open (opens and closes right back up- makes it tricky to put a DVD in it ;) ).
I read alot of this thread but must omit not all 28 pages. I am looking for a good 1080i output player over DVI. I have a Hitachi 60VX500 TV and it only has a DVI input. Price range at or less than $300. It seems no matter what threads I read for different players, they all seem to have one issue or another :( .
I need a player that also plays DVD-R & DVD+R discs as I make alot of discs.
Considering a Sony 975V but it has HDMI output and it would require buying a converter.
Is the Oppo a decent built player that would play well with my Hitachi LCD TV? Any other suggestions? (I shy away from Panasonic because they don't seem to believe that DVD+R discs exist).
Thanks to all, Gerry

I played about 10 minutes of the Dark Side of the Rainbow DVD last night. For those not familiar with this one, it's a High Performance Megabit DVD (1.5 Mb/s bitrate). Pink Floyd's Dark Side of the Moon is in 5.1 DTS or Dolby 5.1 (two distinct audio tracks) and it's synchronized to the movie Wizard of Oz. This dvd stuttered (video and audio) about 7 times in the first 10 minutes of the movie.Which DVD stuttered? Dark Side of the Rainbow, or Dark Side of the Moon?

I've not experienced anything like this before - even with high bitrate DVD's. If the rest of the disk played fine, it may have nothing to do with the bit-rate. Check the surface of the disk for scratches, abrasions or fingerprints. The first 10 minutes will be close to the center of the disk - so check that area very closely.

Maximum DVD audio+video bitrate is 9.8 Mb/s. Maximum DTS audio bitrate is about 1.5 Mb/s, so I assume the DTS bitrate is what you were referring to.

Also note the following quote from the excellent DVD FAQ (http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) on DVDdemystified.com: 'There is one single DVD-Video standard. However, within the DVD-Video format there is a great deal of flexibility in the way discs can be created. Different studios have come up with brand names for their particular implementations of advanced features. There's nothing extraordinary about any particular variation, other than a studio spending a lot of time and effort making it work well and promoting it. These kinds of advanced DVD's should play on most players but may reveal more player bugs than standard discs".

Gary

Regarding the lip sync issue: have any of you that are experiencing this problem accidentally gone into the 'Channel Delay' menu and changed the delay to your center or rear surround speakers? I accidentally did this and audio became severely out of sync with the video. I set all speakers back to zero and the problem completely went away.Well THAT's interesting to hear. I'll have to check on it. Thanks for sharing.

Gary

Which DVD stuttered? Dark Side of the Rainbow, or Dark Side of the Moon?

I've not experienced anything like this before - even with high bitrate DVD's. If the rest of the disk played fine, it may have nothing to do with the bit-rate. Check the surface of the disk for scratches, abrasions or fingerprints. The first 10 minutes will be close to the center of the disk - so check that area very closely.

Maximum DVD audio+video bitrate is 9.8 Mb/s. Maximum DTS audio bitrate is about 1.5 Mb/s, so I assume the DTS bitrate is what you were referring to.

Also note the following quote from the excellent DVD FAQ (http://dvddemystified.com/dvdfaq.html) on DVDdemystified.com: 'There is one single DVD-Video standard. However, within the DVD-Video format there is a great deal of flexibility in the way discs can be created. Different studios have come up with brand names for their particular implementations of advanced features. There's nothing extraordinary about any particular variation, other than a studio spending a lot of time and effort making it work well and promoting it. These kinds of advanced DVD's should play on most players but may reveal more player bugs than standard discs".

Gary

This is a synchronized DVD. The audio portion of the DVD is Pink Floyd's 'Dark Side of the Moon'. There are two tracks to choose from - DTS and Dolby 5.1. The movie "The Wizard of Oz" is displayed in synchronization with the audio tracks. The original audio track of The Wizard of Oz is not present on this DVD. This synchronized DVD is call 'Dark Side of the Rainbow'. There are no scratches on this DVD. I listened to some more of it this morning and it stuttered/paused once every couple of minutes or so throughout the whole DVD. It did this on the DTS and the Dolby 5.1 tracks. It doesn't do this when it's played in my 841. I'm going to try a couple of things tonight 1) bypass my HDMI switcher and run a DVI cable straight to the display 2) try a coax cable for the audio.

Currently have a Momitsu for 1080i over DVI. It has always given a great pic but the build quality and remote are another story. Been having tray issues lately in that it will not stay open (opens and closes right back up- makes it tricky to put a DVD in it.Did you try pulling the Momitsu's plug out of the wall for a few minutes? That MAY reset the problem.

The Oppo's remote is VERY basic and may not be any improvement ergonomically, but it works very well. Build quality is very good for this price range.
I read alot of this thread but must omit not all 28 pages. I am looking for a good 1080i output player over DVI. I have a Hitachi 60VX500 TV and it only has a DVI input. Price range at or less than $300. It seems no matter what threads I read for different players, they all seem to have one issue or another :( .Yes, perfection costs money.
I need a player that also plays DVD-R & DVD+R discs as I make alot of discs.
Considering a Sony 975V but it has HDMI output and it would require buying a converter.
Is the Oppo a decent built player that would play well with my Hitachi LCD TV? Any other suggestions? (I shy away from Panasonic because they don't seem to believe that DVD+R discs exist).The picture from the Oppo is excellent, and many agree that it is better than the Momitsu. The only significant question is whether macroblocking will be a problem on your display.

Gary

I ran that DVD test disc we got from Canada with the AVS powerbuy. Many reference sequences to test a display or players deinterlacing/scaling capabilities.

The Oppo did very nicely with motion deinterlacing, cadence, detail, plus pixel matching with a 720p display.

There's one test pattern that has three white moving bars in an almost horizontal way but fanning out on angles. This one if the top moving bar shows jaggies it's poor, if the top two are smooth it's good, if all three are smooth it's excellent showing the chipset is at the top of the heap with technologies that are availalbe now. The Oppo showed all three bars as smooth.

I ran this test with the Movie Time DV10 and it showed the top two as smooth with slight jags on the third lower bar which gives it a good rating. Not as good as the Oppo but close.

OK, I tried a brand new coaxial Monster audio cable and still had the audio/video pause symptom. I ran a DVI cable directly to the tv, bypassing my Lenexpo switcher, and still had the problem. I put the DVD into my Sammy 841 - no problem. This is no biggy - I can always use the 841 for watching this DVD. OK, back to testing other DVD's in the Oppo!

Did you try pulling the Momitsu's plug out of the wall for a few minutes? That MAY reset the problem.

Gary

Gary, I pulled the power plug and waited a good length of time. The tray worked correctly the first time and then right back to its antics :( . I suppose I could just grab the tray and then insert or take out the disc for the time being until I decide what to do as far as a player. Thanks for the response, Gerry

Gary, I pulled the power plug and waited a good length of time. The tray worked correctly the first time and then right back to its antics :( . I suppose I could just grab the tray and then insert or take out the disc for the time being until I decide what to do as far as a player. Thanks for the response, GerryBummer! Now you'll just HAVE to replace that Momitsu with an Oppo!

Gary

I ran that DVD test disc we got from Canada with the AVS powerbuy. Many reference sequences to test a display or players deinterlacing/scaling capabilities.

The Oppo did very nicely with motion deinterlacing, cadence, detail, plus pixel matching with a 720p display.

There's one test pattern that has three white moving bars in an almost horizontal way but fanning out on angles. This one if the top moving bar shows jaggies it's poor, if the top two are smooth it's good, if all three are smooth it's excellent showing the chipset is at the top of the heap with technologies that are availalbe now. The Oppo showed all three bars as smooth.

I ran this test with the Movie Time DV10 and it showed the top two as smooth with slight jags on the third lower bar which gives it a good rating. Not as good as the Oppo but close.Interesting! Thanks for sharing.

Gary

Was looking at the manual. Was wondering are the settings for Pro Logic II, Panorama, Dimesnsion, Central Width, Dynamic compression, and Dual mode all refer to the 5.1 audio outs, and not the digital bitstream, which should be set to raw, correct? Also, unless I hook up the 5.1 analog outputs to my receiver, I do not need to touch the speaker setup, right? Thanks for the help.

Mark

I´ve got an odd problem.

I connected Oppo 971H to my Themescene H56 via DVI. Everything else is fine but 720p via DVI seems quite interesting.

There is only a half of the picture visible on the left the side of the screen. This halfling is good quality :cool: Similar problem seems to happen if I feed digital 720p or analog component 720p via DVI.

I live in PAL-land, Europe. I´ve tried every setup and combination :confused: . Hope somebody had same nice surprise and solved it.

We get H78 next week. Hope it works fine :( .

I´ve got an odd problem.

I connected Oppo 971H to my Themescene H56 via DVI. Everything else is fine but 720p via DVI seems quite interesting.

There is only a half of the picture visible on the left the side of the screen. This halfling is good quality :cool: Similar problem seems to happen if I feed digital 720p or analog component 720p via DVI.

I live in PAL-land, Europe. I´ve tried every setup and combination :confused: . Hope somebody had same nice surprise and solved it.

We get H78 next week. Hope it works fine :( .

When I try to do PAL upconverted to 720p or 1080i, I get a similar oddity on my Infocus 4805. I am missing the first 10% of the picture on the left side, but it is attached to the end of the picture on the right side. I assumed it is a problem with my projector not being able to sync 720p or 1080i at 50hz. 576p works fine. I think if you set it to NTSC and have it upconvert to 720p it should look fine, but then this means you have to do PAL to NTSC conversion.

Was looking at the manual. Was wondering are the settings for Pro Logic II, Panorama, Dimesnsion, Central Width, Dynamic compression, and Dual mode all refer to the 5.1 audio outs, and not the digital bitstream, which should be set to raw, correct? Also, unless I hook up the 5.1 analog outputs to my receiver, I do not need to touch the speaker setup, right? Thanks for the help.

You are correct on both counts.

Have you calibrated your display to your new Oppo? My Oppo arrives Tuesday. The first disc I'll be playing is the Avia calibration disc. THX Optimizer and other calibration DVD's will work too. How else would you know if your contrast, brightness, sharpness, hue and color are adjusted correctly?

As somebody in the same boat who's also receiving his new Oppo this week, I'm curious as to the best way to handle the calibration using the Avia disc ? Primarily, should you adjust your TV settings (i.e. contract, brightness, etc) or adjust the settings available on the Oppo ? I've always assumed it's better to tweak your TV settings rather than the settings menu on your DVD player, but I could definitely be wrong ;)

I'm planning on running the Oppo into my new Samsung HL-R5067W. Thanks !

Sorry if this has been answered but I didnt see it... Does this player have any audio decoders for Dolby Digital/DTS/Surround II?

I'd adjust the TV. Start out with the Oppo's default settings and see if you can calibrate your display successfully. If you run out of adjustment room in your display's calibration menu, then increase the Oppo's default setting for whatever parameter you're calibrating. I found I had to increase the Oppo's brightness to +3 in order to properly calibrate; some others have reported +5.

Was looking at the manual. Was wondering are the settings for Pro Logic II, Panorama, Dimesnsion, Central Width, Dynamic compression, and Dual mode all refer to the 5.1 audio outs, and not the digital bitstream, which should be set to raw, correct? Also, unless I hook up the 5.1 analog outputs to my receiver, I do not need to touch the speaker setup, right? Thanks for the help.

Mark

Yes you are correct! The only other possible thing to look at is the speaker delay setting. According to one member when he changed it to zero for all speakers it made a difference on his lip sync issue. In my mind it should have no effect with Digital...but....who knows? ;) It worked for him. I am trying the same thing tonight.

I'd adjust the TV. Start out with the Oppo's default settings and see if you can calibrate your display successfully. If you run out of adjustment room in your display's calibration menu, then increase the Oppo's default setting for whatever parameter you're calibrating. I found I had to increase the Oppo's brightness to +3 in order to properly calibrate; some others have reported +5.

Thanks. Is there any sort of performance hit either way whether you calibrate your TV or the Oppo ? I was just thinking that I'd like to calibrate the Oppo using Avia to work with one of my TV picture settings exclusively (i.e. Movie) and use the Avia again to calibrate my HD-Tivo box to optimize on one of the other picture settings (i.e. Standard).

When I try to do PAL upconverted to 720p or 1080i, I get a similar oddity on my Infocus 4805. I am missing the first 10% of the picture on the left side, but it is attached to the end of the picture on the right side. I assumed it is a problem with my projector not being able to sync 720p or 1080i at 50hz. 576p works fine. I think if you set it to NTSC and have it upconvert to 720p it should look fine, but then this means you have to do PAL to NTSC conversion.

What a relief! I´m not alone!

I tried NTSC yesterday and again today, more carefully. Sadly it doesn´t help. I don´t have NTSC discs. Could it help? H56 shows the picture is 60 hz when NTSC and 50 hz when PAL.

Today I wasn´t so excited and got an idea to change blank color from black to blue. Now I noticed that the right side is blank (blue), 2/3 of the screen. And the movie takes about one third of the screen.

Setting aspect ratio to 4:3 or 16:9 doesn´t help either.

Does it help if you set it to NTSC?

Wondering if I should "upgrade"?

I currently have the momitsu v880 and it's pretty great...but it introduces some color-banding and the deinterlacer is crappy with live-video.

I do DVD reviews for HTF so top-PQ is important to me. In this great review I read that there is some minor edge-enhancement going on. Is that still true with the latest firmware? That's a touchy subject with DVD reviews and I can't have a player that introduces any ringing that I might attribute to the DVD disc during a review.

Your input is welcome!!!

dave :)

The Oppo sharpness default is at low which is quite sharp. If you turn it off you'll have a smooth film like image. Matter of preference here, I like both setups.

Everybody should set the Oppo's picture levels to 5 on brightness others at default zero. Glen ran a test with his accupel and 5 gives you the correct black level output.

AWESOME.

I've just ordered the Oppo and will take heed! Hopefully...I'll notice an imprvement over the Momitsu v880...

:D :D :D

Hey Dave,

I think you'll LOVE the oppo. Better pic. than my zenith dvb-318 upscaled. No ringing or EE at all with the sharpness at OFF. Also it's video de-interlacing is great.

:) d

Thanks. Is there any sort of performance hit either way whether you calibrate your TV or the Oppo ? I was just thinking that I'd like to calibrate the Oppo using Avia to work with one of my TV picture settings exclusively (i.e. Movie) and use the Avia again to calibrate my HD-Tivo box to optimize on one of the other picture settings (i.e. Standard).It is usually better to adjust the display, because adjusting the player could reduce the range of digital values that are available to the display. That can promote banding, macroblocking, or other artifacts. (Similar symptoms can occur if you adjust your display without using the FULL range of its contrast).

If you're making minor adjustments to the player, though, it really shouldn't matter.

Gary

I've watched a lot of DVD's on the Oppo since receiving it two days ago. The only DVD that I've found to have a persistent audio/video synchronization problem is "Genesis - Live at Wembley Stadium". It doesn't matter if I play the Dolby 5.1 or the DTS soundtrack. Stopping and rewinding doesn't help. Increasing audio delay doesn't help. I'm almost convinced that increasing audio delay makes the synchronization problem worse! In any event, I've thrown a lot of DVD's at this player and this is the only one so far that's given me a consistent problem. A couple of nights ago, "The Eagles Farewell I Tour" gave me a problem, but the problem went away and I haven't observed it since. I'll check it again tomorrow. Just curious - what DVD's are other members experiencing out-of-synch problems with?

Scott, try turning OFF the true-Life feature in the menu to experiment. Since that enables the faroudja chip, I'm curious as to if it will still go out of sync. when it's OFF. My zenith dvb-318 player kept losing sync. with an Eric clapton concert DVD that was shot on video.

Also, I was watching a R2 PAL disc shot on video with the 576P PAL output at 50hz. as I own an optoma h57 and that is it's native res. and noticed what looked like major "combing" on fast moving credits. I thought, "Woah! That's new!" The video itself looked fine, but when I switched TRUELIFE to off, the credits cleared up. No combing. Should the TRUELIFE be off for native PAL?

:) d

I´ve got an odd problem.
There is only a half of the picture visible on the left the side of the screen. This halfling is good quality :cool: Similar problem seems to happen if I feed digital 720p or analog component 720p via DVI.


OPPO´s firmware is OP971-9-0628B. Maybe I should try the major release :confused:

Scott, try turning OFF the true-Life feature in the menu to experiment. Since that enables the faroudja chip, I'm curious as to if it will still go out of sync. when it's OFF. My zenith dvb-318 player kept losing sync. with an Eric clapton concert DVD that was shot on video.

Also, I was watching a R2 PAL disc shot on video with the 576P PAL output at 50hz. as I own an optoma h57 and that is it's native res. and noticed what looked like major "combing" on fast moving credits. I thought, "Woah! That's new!" The video itself looked fine, but when I switched TRUELIFE to off, the credits cleared up. No combing. Should the TRUELIFE be off for native PAL?

:) d

That's it! I just tried your suggestion and the audio and video became synchronized! Turning true life on again induced the out-of-sync problem.

He's talking about his Infocus (IF) projector. I checked on my 92" screen today with my Infocus 4805 today, its about 5-6 pixels lost on each side. Using overscan on my projector eliminates the black border.

JaPhule-

Do you have to zoom in a little bit after using overscan? What firmware are you using (for the 4805)?

I've just got mine zoomed in a little to eliminate the black borders with the OPPO, and I just overscan the whole screen a little with HDTV.

It would be nice to get it fixed, though, and it's odd to constantly see people here and there saying this isn't an issue. I've seen other DVI dvd players that filled the whole panel dead on, so I don't think this can be that difficult to fix. . .

Wes

OPPO´s firmware is OP971-9-0628B. Maybe I should try the major release :confused:

Doesn´t help... :eek:

JaPhule-

Do you have to zoom in a little bit after using overscan? What firmware are you using (for the 4805)?

I've just got mine zoomed in a little to eliminate the black borders with the OPPO, and I just overscan the whole screen a little with HDTV.

It would be nice to get it fixed, though, and it's odd to constantly see people here and there saying this isn't an issue. I've seen other DVI dvd players that filled the whole panel dead on, so I don't think this can be that difficult to fix. . .

Wes

Latest firmware on both the Oppo and 4805. I don't need to zoom at all with overscan on. Overscan does not affect hdtv as it seems dvi settings and component settings are separate.

Can't wait!!!

JaPhule-


It would be nice to get it fixed, though, and it's odd to constantly see people here and there saying this isn't an issue. I've seen other DVI dvd players that filled the whole panel dead on, so I don't think this can be that difficult to fix. . .

Wes

That is correct, thank you, IT IS A BIG ISSUE AND I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD COME IN REPEATEDLY POST IT IS NOT AN ISSUE??? WEIRD.

IT IS AN ISSUE, AND A BIG ISSUE IF YOU HAVE A PLASMA. SO LET'S GET GET IT FIXED

That is correct, thank you, IT IS A BIG ISSUE AND I DONT UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEONE WOULD COME IN REPEATEDLY POST IT IS NOT AN ISSUE??? WEIRD.

IT IS AN ISSUE, AND A BIG ISSUE IF YOU HAVE A PLASMA. SO LET'S GET GET IT FIXEDWho said this is not an issue? The 3-4 pixel border is in the defect list, and has been confirmed MANY times now - even by the experts.

However, the Oppo is not creating the half-inch border you claim to see on your plasma. For some reason, your plasma is underscanning as well. Maybe it detects the unused pixels in the signal coming from the Oppo, and panics... who knows? Not all plamas or projectors react the way yours does.

Have you tried any other 720p/1080i players on your plasma yet?

Gary

Who said this is not an issue? The 3-4 pixel border is in the defect list, and has been confirmed MANY times now - even by the experts.

However, the Oppo is not creating the half-inch border you claim to see on your plasma. For some reason, your plasma is underscanning as well. Maybe it detects the unused pixels in the signal coming from the Oppo, and panics... who knows? Not all plamas or projectors react the way yours does.

Have you tried any other 720p/1080i players on your plasma yet?

Gary

So in terms of inches, not pixels, what fraction of an inch do you claim that the amount of the black border CREATED BY THE OPPO should be on a 42" screen?? Because you are always saying is not 1/2" but you never say what it should be or what screen you have. THE AMOUNT OF THE BORDER IS RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE SCREEN. A BIGGER SCREEN HAS TO HAVE BIGGER PIXELS. If you have a screen smaller than 42", then the your black border would be less in your screen. I am going to get a ruler and measure the dam border and post it later. I have determined after further tests that the border is in fact created by the Oppo and not the TV. I borrowed a Samsung 941 from a friend and it completely fills the screen from DVI input. So believe it or not, your beloved Oppo does in fact contain this defect over DVI.

He did tell you what size the masking was...3-4 pixels. You tell *us* what size in inches that would be on your screen.

If your plamsa is high def at 1280 x 720 pixels...then that means it's 1280 horizontal pixels by 720 vertical pixels. You can see that 3-4 pixels on each side would clearly be less than 1/2 inch on a 42" display.

Now...no one is saying that you're not seeing what you're not seeing. The other poster merely pointed out that the only thing that's been confirmed by many who've tested it is the 3-4 pixels, and that it's possible that the *combination* of player to display could produce other results as the display reacts differently to various types of source signals. Yes...even a 720P DVI signal from more than one device may cause the display to act differently...all sorts of other subtle issues are at play like timings etc. Sometimes getting these things to work right together is more of an art than a science.

If your plamsa is high def at 1280 x 720 pixels...then that means it's 1280 horizontal pixels by 720 vertical pixels. You can see that 3-4 pixels on each side would clearly be less than 1/2 inch on a 42" display.

By my calculations a 42" diagonal screen would be about 36" wide. So for 720p three pixels would be less than 0.1" and for 480p it would be around 0.15".

--
Steve

So in terms of inches, not pixels, what fraction of an inch do you claim that the amount of the black border CREATED BY THE OPPO should be on a 42" screen?? Because you are always saying is not 1/2" but you never say what it should be or what screen you have. THE AMOUNT OF THE BORDER IS RELATIVE TO THE SIZE OF THE SCREEN. A BIGGER SCREEN HAS TO HAVE BIGGER PIXELS.Yes, David and kanefsky are correct. By calculation (Pythagoras' Theorem), a 16:9 screen with a 42" diagonal, has a height of 20.59". So, for a 720p (1280x720) signal, 4 pixels is 20.59*4/720=0.1143942".

There it is - you should be seeing a 0.11" border (max) all around the screen. That's a LOT smaller than a half-inch.

Gary

Scott, try turning OFF the true-Life feature in the menu to experiment. Since that enables the faroudja chip, I'm curious as to if it will still go out of sync. when it's OFF. My zenith dvb-318 player kept losing sync. with an Eric clapton concert DVD that was shot on video.

Also, I was watching a R2 PAL disc shot on video with the 576P PAL output at 50hz. as I own an optoma h57 and that is it's native res. and noticed what looked like major "combing" on fast moving credits. I thought, "Woah! That's new!" The video itself looked fine, but when I switched TRUELIFE to off, the credits cleared up. No combing. Should the TRUELIFE be off for native PAL?

:) d

Note that turning TruLife to Off does not turn off the Faroudja DCDI processing, but it does make it much less robust.

To elaborate:

A while ago either on this thread or the other major Oppo thread, I had reported that frequently, but not always, turning TruLife Off greatly enhanced video quality for my system, by reducing video noise and macroblocking. But at that time I was only able to test using using 480p or 576p output.

I'm now able to use the Oppo at both 720p and 1080i and also purchased the HQV test disc to use for testing with its jaggies and flag waving tests. I can say that based on strickly the HQV tests, on a scale of 1 to 10 I would give the DCDI deinterlacing about a 9.5 with TrueLife turned On (some jaggies are still present on all the tests, but very minimal) and with TruLife turned Off I would give it about an 8.5. As a basis of comparison, using my SDI modded Panny RP91 at 480i or 576i and an DVDO HD+ video processor that uses the highly regarded SiI504 deinterlacing chip, the deinterlacing would get about a 9.

Using the component out of the RP91 at 480p or 576p, which would use the deinterlacing in the RP91 (which is about average for deinterlacing) I would rate it around a 6. Using component out of the Oppo (which fully turns off Faroudja DCDI deinterlacing) the rating will be about a 3 or 4.

It is quite clear to me by the tests I've been doing using both the HQV disc and real-world testing that Faroudja's claim that DCDI is not turned On or Off by using TruLife is accurate and true for the Oppo, unlike what others have been reporting here. The fact is that deinterlacing without TruLife set to Off is only less robust than with TruLife turned On.

In real world testing, I only occasionally notice a deinterlacing problem with TruLife turned Off, and when I do find that rare problem, I turn TruLife back to On. TruLife for me adds to the macroblocking problem, audio sync problem (not that I've seen any major audio problems), and adds video noise to most discs. Therefore I prefer TruLife to remain off the majority of the time. I also find that CSS left to On (even with TruLife turned Off) further improves the Oppo's video quality. I have not found any instances where CSS causes a problem, but admit I haven't tested this feature to the extent that I've tested TruLife.

So I have to disagree when many are saying that TruLife is best left On and CSS left Off. I find that for the most part with my system, the opposite is true. You might be pleasants surprised by your own findings with a litte experimentation.

I also still wish that Oppo would do what other manufacturer's have done, and add a greater range to the TruLife settings, from like 0 to 10 (with 0 completely disabling DCDI deinterlacing). I think this feature is somewhat display dependent and needs greater range to zero in on the best setting for every system.

By my calculations a 42" diagonal screen would be about 36" wide. So for 720p three pixels would be less than 0.1" and for 480p it would be around 0.15".

--
Steve

My screen is is 1024 x 1024 pixels. I will measure tomorrow the actual length and the actual size of the border. Goodnight all.

Hey, I just got the Oppo and a new tv and I'm having some trouble. I'm using the DVI->HDMI cable provided with the player and am going into a Sony XBR960 CRT. When I play dvds on the Oppo the top 15% or so of the screen shakes like crazy non-stop even if I pause the dvd the top is still shaking.

Does this sound like a bad cable, bad dvd player, or bad hdmi connection on the TV? I don't have anything else that uses HDMI so I can't really pinpoint this.

Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this before?

Yes, David and kanefsky are correct. By calculation (Pythagoras' Theorem), a 16:9 screen with a 42" diagonal, has a height of 20.59". So, for a 720p (1280x720) signal, 4 pixels is 20.59*4/720=0.1143942".

There it is - you should be seeing a 0.11" border (max) all around the screen. That's a LOT smaller than a half-inch.

Gary
Well I know what I am seeing and all your theories, algothryms and calculation means nothing. As I told you already I tested another DVI source and it has NO border.

Hey, I just got the Oppo and a new tv and I'm having some trouble. I'm using the DVI->HDMI cable provided with the player and am going into a Sony XBR960 CRT. When I play dvds on the Oppo the top 15% or so of the screen shakes like crazy non-stop even if I pause the dvd the top is still shaking.

Does this sound like a bad cable, bad dvd player, or bad hdmi connection on the TV? I don't have anything else that uses HDMI so I can't really pinpoint this.

Has anyone ever heard of a problem like this before?

Try 720p instead of 1080i, b/c in mine 1080i shakes too. 720p is good

heh, this is bizarre I found the issue.

at 480p output it shakes like crazy and is unwatchable. Yet at 720p and 1080i it doesn't shake one bit. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....do you think my TV is screwed up and can't accept a 480p signal through HDMI for some reason? Or do you think it's a player issue?

I wasn't planning on upconverting with the Oppo as the tv already has a great upscaler. I just bought the Oppo for the de-interlacer ^^;

But I guess I have no issues with just leaving it at 1080i on the player and not using the tv upscaler. Still bizarre that it has trouble with 480p.

heh, this is bizarre I found the issue.

at 480p output it shakes like crazy and is unwatchable. Yet at 720p and 1080i it doesn't shake one bit. Hmmmmmmmmmmm....do you think my TV is screwed up and can't accept a 480p signal through HDMI for some reason? Or do you think it's a player issue?

I wasn't planning on upconverting with the Oppo as the tv already has a great upscaler. I just bought the Oppo for the de-interlacer ^^;

But I guess I have no issues with just leaving it at 1080i on the player and not using the tv upscaler. Still bizarre that it has trouble with 480p.

This can only be remedied through the service menu of the TV. While viewing the DVD player in 480p mode, enter the Sony service menu. Go to the MID3 category, then find the entry called VSTT. Change the value from 0 to 1. This modifies a phase-locked loop start value and stabilizes the shaking at the top of the screen. If you are not familiar with the Sony service menu, I would recommend sticking with 1080i, even though this means losing Wide Zoom capability. Mistakes made in the service menu can ruin your TV. Also, the ISF calibrator who calibrated my system said that there was some attenuation evident in 480p that was not evident in 1080i.

--D. Miner

I just got my oppo dvd player, played the movie Hitch (SWMBO's choice), the picture is simply astounding. Wowsers. Gonna watch Fight Club again tomorrow.

What is the universal remote code for Oppo? I tried the search function on my universal remote but no go.

Also, please point out the button combination to allow skipping the FBI warning and previews. I swear I read it on one of these pages but can't seem to locate it now. Much thanks.

Also, please point out the button combination to allow skipping the FBI warning and previews. I swear I read it on one of these pages but can't seem to locate it now. Much thanks.

Press the Menu button on the remote when you see 'DVD-Video' appear in the corner during disc loading.

I hope this audio/video sync problem can be fixed with firmware. This problem appears to be random in nature to me. The "Genesis - Live at Wembley" DVD that I was having trouble with played fine yesterday morning after turning 'True Life' off. Last night that didn't work for me. The disc played best with both CCS and True Life turned off - but the problem was still there. What I find most annoying with the synchronization problem is watching musicians playing instruments and I do watch a lot of concert DVD's. I find it easier to tell if the audio and video are in sync by watching a musician playing piano or the drums etc. than by watching a musician sing. My understanding of the problem is that audio information from the dvd is buffered and video is not. To me it sounds like this is something that can't be fixed with firmware alone. I sure hope so because I love the picture quality of this player.

My understanding of the problem is that audio information from the dvd is buffered and video is not. To me it sounds like this is something that can't be fixed with firmware alone. I sure hope so because I love the picture quality of this player.

It's the opposite, Scott. The video is buffered to allow for processing to prevent lag, while the audio is not. Therein lies part of the problem.

wwwin,

that's why I also said:

Now...no one is saying that you're not seeing what you're not seeing. The other poster merely pointed out that the only thing that's been confirmed by many who've tested it is the 3-4 pixels, and that it's possible that the *combination* of player to display could produce other results as the display reacts differently to various types of source signals. Yes...even a 720P DVI signal from more than one device may cause the display to act differently...all sorts of other subtle issues are at play like timings etc. Sometimes getting these things to work right together is more of an art than a science.



CJay,

What is CSS? I should get my OPPO in a few days and I can't wait to set it up *just right* for my BenQ 8700+ PJ. What sort of display do you have?

-dave :)

Also, please point out the button combination to allow skipping the FBI warning and previews. I swear I read it on one of these pages but can't seem to locate it now. Much thanks.

This was the prior post:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=5983334&&#post5983334

CJay,

What is CSS? I should get my OPPO in a few days and I can't wait to set it up *just right* for my BenQ 8700+ PJ. What sort of display do you have?

-dave :)

CCS = Cross Color Suppression (I think that is what it stands for). Supposedly it reduces flicker between bright colors. But I really don't know that much about it other than I see it adding background noise and artifacts on most films when it is set to OFF on my system.

You will not find one "just right" setting that applies to every system. They all have variables and therefore the only way to get things "just right" is to experiment after getting your Oppo, and then more than likely will need to familiarize yourself with the settings and adjust them somewhat for different types of films.

I have a Sony 53" CRT RPTV--the HS20 model. I am currently running the Oppo with DVI at 720p into an iScan HD+ video processor and then outputting from there to my display at 1080i with a component connection. But I've found similar results with the Oppo and a Samsung 26" CRT using straight 1080i DVI.

Your system being much different than mine I would just experiment by watching a dozen or so different discs of varying quality with TruLife OFF and CSS ON and then with TruLife ON and CSS OFF, and also try both CSS and TruLife ON.

Note that TruLife must be set to ON to turn on CSS, but once CSS is set to ON you can then turn off TruLife.

You will also need to play with sharpness being set to OFF or LOW. The best setting is usually OFF, but some films benefit from it being LOW (the HIGH and MEDIUM settings are pretty much useless because of the ringing and edginess they produce). I probably use Shaprness LOW about 30% to 40% of the time, the rest of the time OFF. Expecially older, fairly noisy transfers like BLADE RUNNER look better with Sharpness turned off. Clean transfers that look soft are where you will see a big benefit with Sharpness set to LOW.

AWESOME.

I've just ordered the Oppo and will take heed! Hopefully...I'll notice an imprvement over the Momitsu v880...

:D :D :D
From my experience, you will not see much, if any improvement in most DVDs. I doubt that you could reliably tell a difference between the two in a double blind test.

The differences have been well detailed in this thread and in others. The Oppo handles bad edits much better than the Momitsu, but unless you are seeing problems in this area currently, you will probably not see the improvement.

The Oppo does create some "macroblocking" noise that the Momitsu does not. This is more visible in some displays than others. For many displays it is a negligible problem. I could just barely detect from my normal seating distance (1.5 times screen width) on an SP7200 DLP PJ. On a Pioneer Plasma (model 5050) it was more noticeable, but the owner decided to keep the Oppo anyways. He sits about 15' away from the plasma.

The Oppo loader seems to be excellent. The Momitsu loader is a POS and is best replaced, which is a ridiculuos thing in a consumer product.

If you get the Oppo, the latest firmware update is mandatory. The PQ prior to that update had significant problems. Some of the worst EE I have ever seen.

Good luck and please post your own impressions as to how you think the two DVD players compare.

Glenn

I will definitely post my impressions when I get the OPPO and can compare. the website indicated that all vesions shipping now contain the latest sofware revision. Other owners who've had the Momitsu previously have told me that in their opinion the OPPO produces a better picture (macroblocking aside) so I'm curious to see what happens...

dave :)

I know people have noticed that the optical out voulume is low, but I also realized that coaxial out is louder. When I had used the optical out while my iscanHD was getting upgraded, I had to turn the voulme up a lot more to be at the same level I was when I used the coaxial output. The coaxial output seems to be at a normal level since it seems consistent with the volume of my SDI RP82(coaxial) and Denon 2200(optical).

I know people have noticed that the optical out voulume is low, but I also realized that coaxial out is louder. When I had used the optical out while my iscanHD was getting upgraded, I had to turn the voulme up a lot more to be at the same level I was when I used the coaxial output. The coaxial output seems to be at a normal level since it seems consistent with the volume of my SDI RP82(coaxial) and Denon 2200(optical).

Is optical the best/purest way to connect the audio?

Is optical the best/purest way to connect the audio?

I asked this question last week and most people said it shouldn't make a difference . I ended up going coaxial because I have two optical inputs and one coaxial input on my receiver and both my optical inputs were already in use. I was actually planning on checking and recalibrating my receiver today as I've noticed some differences in sound levels compared to my Sammy 841. I'm suspecting my center channel volume will have to be reduced a little but I won't know for sure until I check with a sound meter. For me, the Oppo's coaxial audio output is louder than the Sammy's output over optical.

if you use a proper 75 ohm cable, coaxial digital is less prone to jitter (reflections in the cable that cause timing errors in the *analog* time clock signals sent along with the digital data) than the cheap-plastic toslink cables consumers normally buy. Glass fiber optical was deemed the "best" by most audiophiles and was virtually immune to jitter...but it never shows up on consumer gear.

However,

non of this has anything to do with the OPPO's coax being "louder"...that suggests taht some digital modification of the signal is going on somewhere either with the coax or toslink interface. Very odd...is this true with Dolby Digital as well as DTS compressed transmissions or only LPCM?

I'll compare both DTS and DD at equivalent receiver volumes with a sound meter and report back.

if you use a proper 75 ohm cable, coaxial digital is less prone to jitter (reflections in the cable that cause timing errors in the *analog* time clock signals sent along with the digital data) than the cheap-plastic toslink cables consumers normally buy. Glass fiber optical was deemed the "best" by most audiophiles and was virtually immune to jitter...but it never shows up on consumer gear.

Jitter is only a concern with PCM digital audio (such as from CDs, laserdiscs, and an extremely small numer of DVDs). Both Dolby Digital and DTS are inherently immune from jitter.

Yeah, I tried CCS on yesterday and the PQ was I think a little better.
But I also tried +3 on brightness as I saw posted and that was bad, created lots of artifacts on black areas. Brightness back to 0

Yeah, I tried CCS on yesterday and the PQ was I think a little better.
But I also tried +3 on brightness as I saw posted and that was bad, created lots of artifacts on black areas. Brightness back to 0

Yes, but have you used a calibration DVD to adjust your display as well? Simply setting Oppo's brightness to +3 or +5 isn't going to get you a proper picture. All parameters that affect PQ in your TV's display menu must be properly set. I use Avia.

Yes, but have you used a calibration DVD to adjust your display as well? Simply setting Oppo's brightness to +3 or +5 isn't going to get you a proper picture. All parameters that affect PQ in your TV's display menu must be properly set. I use Avia.

Have not calibrated, I am new at this calibration stuff. I ordered AVIA and DVE and will get soon. But the way I look at it, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF INCREASING BRIGHTNESS +3 in OPPO if I then HAVE TO DECREASE BRIGHTNESS BY -3 ON TV. Can anybody enlighten me on that. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS GOOD AT TVs and Oppos default. Other then to make me think that I am a master calibrator, what would be the point?? Help.

From my experience, you will not see much, if any improvement in most DVDs. I doubt that you could reliably tell a difference between the two in a double blind test.

The differences have been well detailed in this thread and in others. The Oppo handles bad edits much better than the Momitsu, but unless you are seeing problems in this area currently, you will probably not see the improvement.

The Oppo does create some "macroblocking" noise that the Momitsu does not. This is more visible in some displays than others. For many displays it is a negligible problem. I could just barely detect from my normal seating distance (1.5 times screen width) on an SP7200 DLP PJ. On a Pioneer Plasma (model 5050) it was more noticeable, but the owner decided to keep the Oppo anyways. He sits about 15' away from the plasma.

The Oppo loader seems to be excellent. The Momitsu loader is a POS and is best replaced, which is a ridiculuos thing in a consumer product.

If you get the Oppo, the latest firmware update is mandatory. The PQ prior to that update had significant problems. Some of the worst EE I have ever seen.

Good luck and please post your own impressions as to how you think the two DVD players compare.

Glenn


I think your blind. :p

The primary difference is betweent he chipsets used - the Oppo uses the Farjouda Chipset while the Momitsu uses the Sigma Chipset.

The Sigma deinterlacer is not motion adaptive - the Oppo is.

http://oppodigital.com/images/DCDi_directionalcordei.jpg

Farjouda propoganda images show this clearly - you might also want to try tests from the Realta HQV footage for a more realistic test. The difference is however enormous.

Hi,

Just received my new Oppo on Friday and am planning on setting up today calibrating using the Avia disc. Here's my question. I took a preliminary look at the Oppo menu's and saw nothing about the output format setting (i.e. 720P, 480P) etc. My Samsung HL-R5067W has a native setting of 720P, so I wanted to make sure the setting on the Oppo corrensponds exactly to that. Could someone please let me know if this is somewhere in the menu and I'm not seeing it, or will the Oppo just automatically detect the native settings on my Samsung (I'm running DVI to HDMI).

If there's anyone out there who's got the same Samsung set as me and can offer up some basic settings prior to / post calibration, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Is there any way to account for overscan with the player when playing video files? I tried watching some subtitled avi files and the subs were getting cut off on the tv due to overscan.

Hi,

Just received my new Oppo on Friday and am planning on setting up today calibrating using the Avia disc. Here's my question. I took a preliminary look at the Oppo menu's and saw nothing about the output format setting (i.e. 720P, 480P) etc. My Samsung HL-R5067W has a native setting of 720P, so I wanted to make sure the setting on the Oppo corrensponds exactly to that. Could someone please let me know if this is somewhere in the menu and I'm not seeing it, or will the Oppo just automatically detect the native settings on my Samsung (I'm running DVI to HDMI).

If there's anyone out there who's got the same Samsung set as me and can offer up some basic settings prior to / post calibration, I would greatly appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

With Oppo stopped in the blue Oppo screen, hit the remote DVI button to cycle thru the various resolutions. It would show the resolution in the upper left hand corner.

Have not calibrated, I am new at this calibration stuff. I ordered AVIA and DVE and will get soon. But the way I look at it, WHAT WOULD BE THE POINT OF INCREASING BRIGHTNESS +3 in OPPO if I then HAVE TO DECREASE BRIGHTNESS BY -3 ON TV. Can anybody enlighten me on that. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS GOOD AT TVs and Oppos default. Other then to make me think that I am a master calibrator, what would be the point?? Help.

Because the source (the Oppo), when its brightness is set at 0, does not pass the complete video signal to your display. With the brightness at 0, there's a good chance you won't be able to properly adjust to the video patterns shown on the calibration disc. It'll be easier to understand what I'm talking about when you get the disc. I find the brightness and contrast are affected.

Is there any way to account for overscan with the player when playing video files? I tried watching some subtitled avi files and the subs were getting cut off on the tv due to overscan.

If the subs are embedded into the video (burned in), then you can use the zoom to zoom out using one of the zoom options. However, the zoom option will leave a large black border around the image.

I'll compare both DTS and DD at equivalent receiver volumes with a sound meter and report back.

I have found no significant difference in output levels. Listening at 95 db and switching between PCM, DD and DTS, all soundtracks are within a couple of decibels of each other.

Because the source (the Oppo), when its brightness is set at 0, does not pass the complete video signal to your display. With the brightness at 0, there's a good chance you won't be able to properly adjust to the video patterns shown on the calibration disc. It'll be easier to understand what I'm talking about when you get the disc. I find the brightness and contrast are affected.

OK, thanks

I just got my oppo dvd player, played the movie Hitch (SWMBO's choice), the picture is simply astounding. Wowsers. Gonna watch Fight Club again tomorrow.

What is the universal remote code for Oppo? I tried the search function on my universal remote but no go.

Also, please point out the button combination to allow skipping the FBI warning and previews. I swear I read it on one of these pages but can't seem to locate it now. Much thanks.

There are no univeral remote codes for the 971H at this time.

In order to get passed the FBI screen, press the Stop button on the remote continuesly while the DVD-Video message is at the top left corner. If done properly, the DVD will stop. Press Menu, and you will be sent directly to the movie.

if you use a proper 75 ohm cable, coaxial digital is less prone to jitter (reflections in the cable that cause timing errors in the *analog* time clock signals sent along with the digital data) than the cheap-plastic toslink cables consumers normally buy. Glass fiber optical was deemed the "best" by most audiophiles and was virtually immune to jitter...but it never shows up on consumer gear.

However,

non of this has anything to do with the OPPO's coax being "louder"...that suggests taht some digital modification of the signal is going on somewhere either with the coax or toslink interface. Very odd...is this true with Dolby Digital as well as DTS compressed transmissions or only LPCM?

Just to piggy back on this discussion. In my case, the digital coax output from the OPPO is a lower volume than my other sources. I'm feeding a Sony HT Recvr. using Digital coax. My other sources (though they use analogy RCA to the Recv) are at an adeaquate volume with a setting of around 42. For the OPPO I have to turn this up to 52-54 for same level. This is true for DD 5.1 at least. I've tried a few DTS DVDs and it seems to be a stronger signal, and I usually watch at the 42-46 setting.

I don't have a sound meter, so these are somewhat subjective.

Also, I've just starrted experiencing some voulem srops on the last several DVS's I've watched. volume just lowers by sever decibels for 1-30 seconds, then is normal again.

This is happening on rental DVD's.

Rick

No problem for JP1 ;-)

jeff
There are no univeral remote codes for the 971H at this time.

In order to get passed the FBI screen, press the Stop button on the remote continuesly while the DVD-Video message is at the top left corner. If done properly, the DVD will stop. Press Menu, and you will be sent directly to the movie.

With Oppo stopped in the blue Oppo screen, hit the remote DVI button to cycle thru the various resolutions. It would show the resolution in the upper left hand corner.

Thanks for the heads-up. Just as an FYI, has anyone experimented with picture quality using component vs. DVI. I obviously assume that the DVI is going to be much better, but I'm curious how much better ? I only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on my set, and I'm debating using it for either the Oppo or the D* HR10-250. Currently I'm using the DVI input for the Oppo, but I've noticed some PQ degradation from the HR10-250 when using component versus HDMI. Any advice ?

Thanks for the heads-up. Just as an FYI, has anyone experimented with picture quality using component vs. DVI. I obviously assume that the DVI is going to be much better, but I'm curious how much better ? I only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on my set, and I'm debating using it for either the Oppo or the D* HR10-250. Currently I'm using the DVI input for the Oppo, but I've noticed some PQ degradation from the HR10-250 when using component versus HDMI. Any advice ?

There is a huge difference between DVI and component with the Oppo. The Oppo is below average using component and only shines with DVI.

There is a huge difference between DVI and component with the Oppo. The Oppo is below average using component and only shines with DVI.

Thanks. That's pretty much what I was thinking after reading all the info on this thread. I believe my problem when I hooked it up this weekend was either :
(a) not setting the Oppo output resolution to 720P or
(b) expecting almost-HD performance.

Jitter is only a concern with PCM digital audio (such as from CDs, laserdiscs, and an extremely small numer of DVDs). Both Dolby Digital and DTS are inherently immune from jitter.

Compressed signals are much *less* affected by time-clock jitter because of the buffering and decompression stages during conversion to LPCM prior to d/a...

however, even comressed signals ultimately get slaved to the incoming clock signal...otherwise during a movie the decompressed audio being fed through the D/A converters would get out of sync with the incoming compressed bitstream. The reclocking/buffering that's employed really helps, but it doesn't necessarily negate the effects of jitter entirely and different implimentations in different audio decoders can vary in their effectivness to "reject" jitter in the source time-clock signal.

I am planning on purchasing one of these *great* players within the next week or so, and I was wondering if anybody is using one, or has had a chance to use one on a Sony KDF-60XS955? If so how is the PQ

On the first page in the 1080i test under Whiter than White, it says it passes BTB at 1080i and WTW at 720p, was this a mistake? does it pass WTW and BTB at 1080i? or only BTB?

What are the optimal settings for the player so it passes BTB and WTW? skimming through the thread is appears some people recommend setting the brightness to +3 in the menu, are there any other little tweaks to help the PQ? Sorry if I have asked questions that have been answered...its a big thread

I am planning on purchasing one of these *great* players within the next week or so, and I was wondering if anybody is using one, or has had a chance to use one on a Sony KDF-60XS955? If so how is the PQ
I am using the Oppo with a KDF-55XS955, which is essentially the same (albeit smaller.) Hooked up to one HDMI port using a DVI to HDMI converter and an HDMI cable.

It looks pretty good. One thing it has over other DVD players I have or have used with this set is... a particularly sharp picture. The Oppo has almost too sharp a picture... and indeed, I have had to set my TV's sharpness control (as well as the SHOF setting in DCP-ADJ2 section of the TV's Service Menu) all the way down to compensate for the high amount of sharpness inherent in the Oppo.

The resolution wedges in Avia look super smooth, clean and sharp.

I do see some of the macroblocking enhancement bug inherent in all Faroudja 2300-based DVD players... but it's not terrible. Also seem some 'banding' in some gradations, but again, not terrible.

With calibration (with Avia and THX Optimizer... I use both) and tweaking, the Oppo does quite a good job with this set.

(Adjusting the Oppo's brightness/contrast controls don't seem to make much difference on my set... the Sony's User Menu controls more than compensate for any standard brightness/contrast adjustments needed. However, keeping the sharpness on "off" in the Oppo does help a lot.)

Watched "Sin City" this weekend with the Oppo... and it looked great.

-Terry

Thanks for the heads-up. Just as an FYI, has anyone experimented with picture quality using component vs. DVI. I obviously assume that the DVI is going to be much better, but I'm curious how much better ? I only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on my set, and I'm debating using it for either the Oppo or the D* HR10-250. Currently I'm using the DVI input for the Oppo, but I've noticed some PQ degradation from the HR10-250 when using component versus HDMI. Any advice ?

Buy a switcher. I don't know if a good DVI switcher is available yet. I bought my switcher last January and at the time the way to go was with an HDMI switcher and buy adaptor cables or adaptors. Don't bother with the component output on the Oppo.

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I do see some of the macroblocking enhancement bug inherent in all Faroudja 2300-based DVD players... but it's not terrible. Also seem some 'banding' in some gradations, but again, not terrible.

With calibration (with Avia and THX Optimizer... I use both) and tweaking, the Oppo does quite a good job with this set.

(Adjusting the Oppo's brightness/contrast controls don't seem to make much difference on my set... the Sony's User Menu controls more than compensate for any standard brightness/contrast adjustments needed. However, keeping the sharpness on "off" in the Oppo does help a lot.)

Watched "Sin City" this weekend with the Oppo... and it looked great.

-Terry

Agreed, the Oppo may well be the first Faroudja based player to do justice with a Sony LCDRP, especially at the pricepoint.

Has anyone used the Oppo with a JVC DILA rear projection (61Z575)?

With component or HDMI?

Thanks...

Has anyone used the Oppo with a JVC DILA rear projection (61Z575)?

With component or HDMI?

That's the exact setup I'm using. I got the JVC in late May and ordered the Oppo a few days later. I've got it hooked up with a DVI-HDMI cable. I had to bump the brightness up on the Oppo in order to see the blacker-than-black bars on DVE, and the greens are a little depressed on the color bars. Otherwise, it was very easy to set up. I have noticed some macroblocking, particularly on the DVE menus and occasionally around titles, especially if white on a dark background. Brother Bear was unwatchable, but evidently is a known poorly authored disc. Otherwise, I've been very pleased with the performance of the Oppo. For the price it has been everything I hoped it would be and more.

I've never bothered to hook it up via component.

480i from component or DVI is terrible. 720P and 1080i are excellent. I don't know about 540P, my Samsung won't accept 540P like my old HD set would.

I don't know if this is still an issue...much less on LCD displays...but it would be a nice feature to include an option in the DVD menu settings to adjust for overscan in increments...0%,1%, 2%, 3%, and so forth. If your TV has overscan, tell the player what percentage and it puts black bars on the sides so you don't lose any of the picture.

For displays that have no overscan over DVI (like mine :-) ), when set to 0, no border, no mess, no fuss. Anyway, I've been reading on this for a while now. I'm still waiting for my player to come in the mail tomorrow. Someone let me know if this is still an issue? From the reviews, this seems like a fantastic player from the old Sony DVP-NS50P I used to have, and I'd love it border or no border.

That's what an external scaler is for. I have my Oppo set to approximately .75% overscan going through my iscanHD+.

External scaler? I really don't have a state of the art home theater system to begin with, and the last thing I need now is to spend more money. Besides, it seems like the DVD player can easily adjust for overscan with the right settings. All they'd have to do is basically ask the user how to fit the image into the frame. It seems like the best way to make everyone happy...if that's not too difficult of course. It's just a suggestion...maybe they'll like it?

It seems to me the player already has some scaler built into it...otherwise how can it make a DVD image fit into a larger frame?

Hi Guys,

I might be considering getting one of these. Do any of you that own one ever use the "component" output??

* How does the DCDI do w/ component hookup?
The reason why I ask is b/c my PJ does not have DVI. Only got composite, vga, S-video and Component. So that is why I wanted to ask. Overall seems that this oppo is a great unit w/ its updated firmware.

Thanks 4 any feedback.

The Oppo will only do 480i over component. Faroudja is only used for progressive 480p/720p/1080i.

Hi Guys,

I might be considering getting one of these. Do any of you that own one ever use the "component" output??

* How does the DCDI do w/ component hookup?
The reason why I ask is b/c my PJ does not have DVI. Only got composite, vga, S-video and Component. So that is why I wanted to ask. Overall seems that this oppo is a great unit w/ its updated firmware.

Thanks 4 any feedback.

Shift, you're better off sticking with your Yamakawa 288 than getting the Oppo if you're only going to use component out.

The Oppo will only do 480i over component. Faroudja is only used for progressive 480p/720p/1080i.

Ouch that is really bad. Man looks like I need a new PPJ ;)

Thanks.

Hi all,
I have a question (I think wasn't asked before) that I hope someone can help me with;
I would like to connect the Oppo to a new Pioneer Elite VSX-74TXVi receiver.

The receiver only has HDMI inputs (no DVI) - an Pioneer states that they 'require' HDCP (no matter if native or from DVI via adapter). Not sure what that means; Oppo says on their website that they 'are compliant with HDCP displays'.

Is it possible it still might not work with the HDMI in on the Pioneer - i.e. is it possible the receiver 'requires' a HDCP handshake, and if so, am I out of luck?
Oppo's promise of 'HDCP compliance' is a bit vague in that respect... ?

Thanks in advance
Dan

has anyone purchased their oppo unit at costco? I love there return policy.

has anyone purchased their oppo unit at costco? I love there return policy.

Does Costco carry it?

I've been thinking about getting a OPPO for my Pioneer Elite 630HD. I've been reading all the posts and have been on the fence about trying one. I was going to be in behind the TV and cabinets this coming weekend so I figured this morning I would send an e-mail to Oppo to see if I ordered one today if I could have it by Friday. I sent the e-mail at 7:13am PST this morning and had an answer by 7:30am PST that they could ship today and I would have it by Friday with normal shipping. I went ahead and placed an order and should have it by Friday.

I needed a good player for Region 2 Pal discs and having the ability to try 1080i over DVI was just an added bonus. Can't wait to try it out and wanted to give OPPO customer service a big thumbs up for their quick response.

Later,

Jim

Buy a switcher. I don't know if a good DVI switcher is available yet. I bought my switcher last January and at the time the way to go was with an HDMI switcher and buy adaptor cables or adaptors. Don't bother with the component output on the Oppo.

Scott, any particular brand references on the switcher ? My only concern is that (I believe) these switchers only pass video signals. In my case, I'd be looking to hook up the Oppo and my D* HR10-250 to a switcher. I would presume that a switcher would handle the DVI-HDMI connection coming from the Oppo, but how would the switcher pass the audio ? I know you could just run optical audio out from the Oppo/Sat Rcvr to a Stereo Receiver, but if I don't want to turn on my stereo every time I'm watching DVD/TV, I don't know how sound would get passed through the switcher to my Samsung TV. Any advice ?

Does Costco carry it?

I'm almost certain they don't. I checked them carefully (local stores and online) before I bought my Oppo, and I'm still checking them regularly as I need a DVD recorder, and am not convinced the Lite-On that they sell is what I need. No sign of Oppo on Costco shelves.

Scott, any particular brand references on the switcher ? My only concern is that (I believe) these switchers only pass video signals. In my case, I'd be looking to hook up the Oppo and my D* HR10-250 to a switcher. I would presume that a switcher would handle the DVI-HDMI connection coming from the Oppo, but how would the switcher pass the audio ? I know you could just run optical audio out from the Oppo/Sat Rcvr to a Stereo Receiver, but if I don't want to turn on my stereo every time I'm watching DVD/TV, I don't know how sound would get passed through the switcher to my Samsung TV. Any advice ?

Correct, DVI is only for video. I run the audio to my receiver. I don't even know if my tv's speakers work! :) I use a Geffen HDMI switcher that I purchased from Lenexpo. The HDMI switcher would of course handle audio if you were sending it an audio signal from a source that had an HDMI output and you were sending the output from the HDMI switcher to a tv that had an HDMI input.

Has anyone tried the Oppo with a Sanyo Z2? Or a Panny XR55 receiver? If so, any notes on your results and/or settings would be very much appreciated.

Of primary concern is the potential MB issue (worse with some displays?), and the potential Sync issue (worse with some receivers?).

Thanks!

Correct, DVI is only for video. I run the audio to my receiver. I don't even know if my tv's speakers work! :) I use a Geffen HDMI switcher that I purchased from Lenexpo. The HDMI switcher would of course handle audio if you were sending it an audio signal from a source that had an HDMI output and you were sending the output from the HDMI switcher to a tv that had an HDMI input.

Scott,

Based on the specs I've read on this link below (scroll all the way to the bottom), it doesn't even look like the switcher would pass any audio, even if you were going from HDMI - Switcher - HDMI. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong ?

HDMI Switcher (http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/detail.php?m_id=265&price=224.00)

Scott,

Based on the specs I've read on this link below (scroll all the way to the bottom), it doesn't even look like the switcher would pass any audio, even if you were going from HDMI - Switcher - HDMI. Can someone correct me if I'm wrong ?

HDMI Switcher (http://www.lenexpo-electronics.com/detail.php?m_id=265&price=224.00)


That is odd...why would they make an HDMI switcher that didn't also carry the audio...anyhow, you would want this unit from Gefen. (http://www.gefen.com/kvm/product.jsp?prod_id=3055)

Yes, that is odd! I just assumed since it was an HDMI switcher, that it would pass both audio and video! I mean, that's what HDMI does, combines audio and video into one cable and with smaller plugs on the cable ends. There's got to be another brand of switcher that will pass both for you. I guess you'll have to start using your well-honed search skills :)

The unit that BenDover showed us looks almost identical to the one you showed me stumacdo. The only difference appears to the area where they put the 'Extend It' graphic. It might be worth a call to Lenexpo and Gefen to get their opinion on this.

The receiver only has HDMI inputs (no DVI) - an Pioneer states that they 'require' HDCP (no matter if native or from DVI via adapter). Not sure what that means; Oppo says on their website that they 'are compliant with HDCP displays'.

That would be strange as HDCP is source-dependent. This means that if the source does not have HDCP, then the display (or your receiver passing the signal) should not have a problem passing the signal. If a source does have HDCP, then the display (or anything else in the signal path) must have HDCP or be able to pass it through.

Regarding Costco (or any other warehouse store) carrying the player, Oppo has made it clear that (at least for now) they want their products to be sold by those who are knowledgeable about the product. As a result, all resellers get them directly from Oppo and not through distribution so Oppo can control who sells it.

Mike,
thanks.
Makes sense to me; it's just an odd way for Pioneer to state in their manual (for who is interested: Page 48 of the 74TXVI manual) that it 'must have' HDCP.
I also thought it was a one-way street (i.e. source dependant).

Well, good enough for me to try it out; getting the Oppo in a few days and we'll see if there are any problems; I'll post.

Cheers,
Dan.

[QUOTE=MikeSRC]That would be strange as HDCP is source-dependent. This means that if the source does not have HDCP, then the display (or your receiver passing the signal) should not have a problem passing the signal. If a source does have HDCP, then the display (or anything else in the signal path) must have HDCP or be able to pass it through.

Mike,
thanks.
Makes sense to me; it's just an odd way for Pioneer to state in their manual (for who is interested: Page 48 of the 74TXVI manual) that it 'must have' HDCP.
I also thought it was a one-way street (i.e. source dependant).

Well, good enough for me to try it out; getting the Oppo in a few days and we'll see if there are any problems; I'll post.

Cheers,
Dan.


And you always have 30 days to return the player if the Pioneer somehow has a handshake system in operation on the 74TXVI.

That would be strange as HDCP is source-dependent. This means that if the source does not have HDCP, then the display (or your receiver passing the signal) should not have a problem passing the signal. If a source does have HDCP, then the display (or anything else in the signal path) must have HDCP or be able to pass it through.

Regarding Costco (or any other warehouse store) carrying the player, Oppo has made it clear that (at least for now) they want their products to be sold by those who are knowledgeable about the product. As a result, all resellers get them directly from Oppo and not through distribution so Oppo can control who sells it.

Amazon.com has the Oppo. That is where I bought mine from. What makes Amazon "knowledgeable" and different from Costco or Samsclub.com?

Amazon.com has the Oppo. That is where I bought mine from. What makes Amazon "knowledgeable" and different from Costco or Samsclub.com?

You're buying from Oppo themselves through amazon.

You're buying from Oppo themselves through amazon.


I bought mine in July, it shipped directly from Amazon.

Don't think so, it was direct from Amazon, not thru merchant or z-shop.

I ordered mine from Amazon in mid-April. It shipped immediately from Oppo. :)

Dana

Hi, folks.
I recently purchased the Samsung HD950 dvd player (to go with my sammy 5667 dlp).
From the reviews I read - this was the player to get. Now I'm hearing/reading about this OPPO971. And it sounds like a pretty good player too - better than the sammy950???
2 big negatives I've found with the 950 are:
*no memory recall - when powered off, it does not remember where it left off.
*time display only counts up total disc time - no chapter time, no count down (chapter or total)

Does the OPPO offer either of those 2 features?

As for picture quality - I'm pretty happy with the Sammy. Not sure if I'd notice small changes. Would the OPPO be a big positive change?

oh yeah - last question - does the OPPO upsample thru the component cables? I know the sammy does thru a remote hack.

Thanks for you help.

The oppo does not have memory recall. It will count up the total disc time (along with remaining time) and can also do it based on chapters. The Oppo uses a better deinterlacer/scaler than the Samsung (IMO), but it may show macroblocking, which is display dependent. The Oppo will only output 480i via component. All scaling/deinterlacing is only through DVI.

For those of us who only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on their sets to use with their HD Sat boxes (and don't want to buy a $200 HDMI splitter), does the best current solution seem to be the Samsung HD950 via component with the upscaling hack applied ? I wonder if the PQ is comparable to that from the Oppo at 720p ?

I can't see any difference between dvi and component from my hd cable box. So I have the hd box via component since most of my watching is dvd.

The oppo does not have memory recall. It will count up the total disc time (along with remaining time) and can also do it based on chapters. The Oppo uses a better deinterlacer/scaler than the Samsung (IMO), but it may show macroblocking, which is display dependent. The Oppo will only output 480i via component. All scaling/deinterlacing is only through DVI.Well anwered!

For those of us who only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on their sets to use with their HD Sat boxes (and don't want to buy a $200 HDMI splitter), does the best current solution seem to be the Samsung HD950 via component with the upscaling hack applied ? I wonder if the PQ is comparable to that from the Oppo at 720p ?When watching DVD on my DLP set, I can clearly see the difference between 720p over DVI/HDMI and 720p over component. Deinterlacing and scaling performance may be quite similar, but the difference is in the noise and possible banding of fine gradients.

A component signal has to be converted from digital to analog, transmitted over a length of cable that is susceptible to external influences and signal losses (in spite of the shielding and impedance-matching) and then the signal is converted back to digital in the TV. Every conversion introduces minor signal inaccuracies that can degrade the image.

None of that occurs with a digital connection.

Gary

For those of us who only have 1 HDMI/DVI input on their sets to use with their HD Sat boxes (and don't want to buy a $200 HDMI splitter), does the best current solution seem to be the Samsung HD950 via component with the upscaling hack applied ? I wonder if the PQ is comparable to that from the Oppo at 720p ?

I can't speak for the 950 but the predecessor to it, the 841, looks pretty good over component. From what I've read the 950 wasn't much of an improvement over the 841. IMO the 841's PQ is not as good as the Oppo. The Oppo's PQ is excellent with very minor and occasional macroblocking over DVI.

with free shipping from amazon, ordering through them seems more reasonable .. it would be $31 if ordered directly from Oppo
.. only problem is that you don't have the option to select a cable .. I need DVI to HDMI.
What cable do they send by default when ordering through Amazon? or can you call Oppo and request.

Thanks

The Oppo comes with a DVI cable by default. The DVI-to-HDMI cable is an option.

Ok, this is brief as I'm at work and can't take the time for a lengthy post *just yet* (give me a few days!)...

but first impressions indicate that the image of the OPPO CLEARLY OUT-PERFORMS the momitsu v880. It's not just subtle on my BenQ 8700+ 720P DLP projector...it's obvious. the image looks much less "digital"...less harsh and artificial. In fact, the OPPO's image is smooth and film-like...it's transformed the image of my DLP into a very "analog" looking device...WOW.

Detail and resolution look better than the Momitsu. I've upped the Brightess to +5 per insturctions in this thread, turned off sharpness, and turned off TrueLife.

the ONLY problem I'm noticing is an odd, occasional "line twitter" that looks like the image is "hopping" a line-or-two. Very odd. I've only noticed it a few times but it's strange...feels like a problem with the deinterlacing but that would be so strange given the Faroudja processing.

Does anyone know how to get in and mess around with the deinterlacing settings? Has anyone else noticed this odd occasional "line twitter" in their image?

Even with this minor and *occasional* artifact, the image is SO MUCH BETTER than the momitsu that it's a no-brainer. I couldn't tolerate the "harsh and digital" image of the Momitsu now that I know how good DVDs can really look.

BTW, banding and MPEG marcroblocking don't look any worse than the Momitsu to my eyes...and I've adjusted my PJ to minimize the "noise in the blacks" so it's not an issue.

Oh...let me add that the SOUND of the OPPO blows the momitsu utterly away. Both DD and DTS soundtracks (fed to my receiver via native bitstream) sound MUCH better...more open, airy, detailed and "analog" as well. Maybe jitter has more of an affect on compressed signals (the momitsu) than one would have thought?

-dave

Turn TrueLife back on. DCDi is disabled when you turn TrueLife off. It's an error in that setting that should be addressed with the next firmware upgrade.

Thanks!

with free shipping from amazon, ordering through them seems more reasonable .. it would be $31 if ordered directly from Oppo
.. only problem is that you don't have the option to select a cable .. I need DVI to HDMI.
What cable do they send by default when ordering through Amazon? or can you call Oppo and request.

Thanks

Amazon sent me DVI to DVI, I dont think you have the option DVI to HDMI at Amazon, as far as I know.

Turn Truelife back on. DCDi is disabled when you turn TrueLife off.
It's an error in that setting that will be addressed with the next
firmware upgrade.


Question...doesn't DCDi only apply to non-film material where 3-2 isn't being done? The source material where I saw "line twitter" was film-source (Hello Dolly and Finding Nemo)...

would love to hear more info!

A DVI-HDMI cable is an option when you order one from the Oppo website.

A DVI-HDMI cable is an option when you order one from the Oppo website.

As well as others. :D

Question...doesn't DCDi only apply to non-film material where 3-2 isn't being done? The source material where I saw "line twitter" was film-source (Hello Dolly and Finding Nemo)...

would love to hear more info!

The deinterlacing is affected as well. It no longer passes any of Faroudja's test for per pixel motion adaptive deinterlacing when you turn TrueLife off. There's a discussion about it in the other Oppo thread. I haven't experienced the line twitter you've mentioned with those discs. It probably wouldn't affect what you're seeing, but you could try turning CCS off if you haven't already done so.

Was wondering if anyone out there had the same set as me (HL-R5067W) and has calibrated it for the Oppo ? I've taken the advice on this thread and set the Oppo brightness to +5, turned Sharpness Off, TrueLife On and CCS Off. Other than that, could anyone with the same set let me know the settings they may have made on the R5067W to optimize additionally ? It looks pretty good already, and I'd love to hear about any additional tweaks. Thanks in advance.

The Oppo comes with a DVI cable by default. The DVI-to-HDMI cable is an option.

This is true. I ordered mine from Amazon last week and it came with the DVI->DVI cable.

Hello,

Oppo likely will exchange the DVi>DVI cable for the DVI>HMDI cable if that's what you need. Call or email them for world-class customer service.

Dana

I received my Oppo yesterday and in comparing it with other candidates I've tried over the last couple of years to replace by Bravo D1 I think it is the most successful so far. One big relief for me was to see no discernible macroblocking, particularly compared with a Denon 1910 that has the FL2310, although that was combined with a BenQ8700 and I now have an Optoma H79. Resolution and colors look at least as good as the Bravo but there appear to be fewer artifacts with the Oppo, along the lines of what David Boulet saw. I haven't read the Oppo threads thoroughly and was glad to see that the brightness at default looked too low; I ended up with +4. I saw no lip-synch problem.

If Oppo is able to provide an option for custom resolutions in future firmware upgrades, it would be very nice if they included a 48 Hz option for film based material. Not all displays accept this signal but the H79 and some Infocus projectors do and I saw the judder change immediately in moving from my D1 set at 48 Hz.

Dan

Edit: Corrected for actual brightness value obtained, but +5 looks good.

with free shipping from amazon, ordering through them seems more reasonable .. it would be $31 if ordered directly from Oppo
.. only problem is that you don't have the option to select a cable .. I need DVI to HDMI.
What cable do they send by default when ordering through Amazon? or can you call Oppo and request.

Thanks


I ordered from Surf Audio, was happy with service. And I think you get a choiuce of cable opetions. Shipping wasn't too bad as i recall.

And as a bonus, the owner is a regular visitor, contributor.


Rick

the ONLY problem I'm noticing is an odd, occasional "line twitter" that looks like the image is "hopping" a line-or-two. Very odd. I've only noticed it a few times but it's strange...feels like a problem with the deinterlacing but that would be so strange given the Faroudja processing. This could be the same issue as defect item #16: "Minor twitching of parts of the image on some material (partly fixed now)".

Only a few DVD titles cause this "twitching" problem (all or part of the image jumps by one line or so). Usually, it only occurs very briefly, in low-quality transfers, like the censorship rating screens on movie trailers, and on some low-budget menus. I have no idea what this is, but Oppo may know, because they already addressed it once before and made a significant improvement. I sent them a clip that triggers the problem reliably. I'm sure they'll be able to fix it eventually.

Gary

I ordered from Surf Audio, was happy with service. And I think you get a choiuce of cable opetions. Shipping wasn't too bad as i recall.

And as a bonus, the owner is a regular visitor, contributor.


Rick


Also got mine from Surf, shipping was less than from Oppo and they're both in Cal. Got the unit in two days with the DVI-HDMI no charge. The DVI-DVI cable was also in the Oppo box. Hooked it up to my new Vizio P50 last night and after some quick setting changes based on this thread and the Vizio thread watched a bit of Master and Commander, some Band of Brothers, Spiderman, Babylon 5 at 720p. Was glad that there wasn't any noticable MB or Synch problems, although there was some contouring in M&C but not too bad. As the display is still being broken in and I haven't done any calibration, I was pretty pleased with the results.

Was glad that there wasn't any noticable MB or Synch problems, although there was some contouring in M&C but not too bad. As the display is still being broken in and I haven't done any calibration, I was pretty pleased with the results.Calibrating your display to the player's output should take care of the contouring (assuming the contouring is not present in the source like in "Finding Nemo").

Gary

I sent them a clip that triggers the problem reliably. I'm sure they'll be able to fix it eventually.

Gary

Gary, is that a scene from a movie DVD, or something else? I've noticed something similar with stationary DVD test patterns and mentioned that in the past, but I haven't seen it otherwise.

Oppo likely will exchange the DVi>DVI cable for the DVI>HMDI cable if that's what you need. Call or email them for world-class customer service.
Dana

Thanks Dana for that heads up! I emailed Oppo's Cust Svc to explain my issue (ordered from Amazon and got a DVI-DVI cable), and here's their reply - world-class service indeed!

"If you order from us, you have the option of either receiving a 5' DVI-DVI cable or a 6' DVI-HDMI cable. Amazon only carries the 5' DVI-DVI cable because that is the default package. We will send you a DVI-HDMI cable Monday morning, because we missed today's USPS shipment."

So, hats off to Oppo for their really prompt response even at the end of the week (emailed them at 4:05 pm today, a Friday, and got their reply half an hour later), and for being fab enough to send me a replacement DVI-HDMI cable as soon as they could, no wrangling over exchanging cables or requiring purchase of the replacement cable... :)


Was wondering if anyone out there had the same set as me (HL-R5067W) and has calibrated it for the Oppo? I've taken the advice on this thread and set the Oppo brightness to +5, turned Sharpness Off, TrueLife On and CCS Off. Other than that, could anyone with the same set let me know the settings they may have made on the R5067W to optimize additionally? It looks pretty good already, and I'd love to hear about any additional tweaks. Thanks in advance.

Ditto - I too have a Samsung HL-R5067W DLP, and any suggestions on settings to try while I patiently wait for my DVE/AVIA disks to arrive would be very much appreciated...and, yes, really brilliant video quality with the Oppo/Sammy combo straight out of the box via DVI (other than a lip sync issue on a very few DVDs & AVIs), which i'm sure can be improved on even more with the proper adjustments and calibration :)

Another instance of the unusually responsive customer service from Oppodigital: I got a reply two and half hours after my email this Friday afternoon requesting the 48 Hz option. It will be submitted for consideration for a future firmware update.

Dan

well, Oppo froze after 2 weeks of operation. Locked in 'loading' mode - even when there is no disc. Fried. Contacted Oppo support, they gave me an RMA within 24 hours and I am shipping it to them - at a cost of $15!!

Hope this fixes it.. Love the player, but 2 weeks is pretty poor to start breaking....

Thanks to all in this forum for their helpful information. I hope offering my experience will be usefull to someone.

I own a Panny TH-37PX50U as well as a Fujitsu P42HHA40US and wondered whether the new dvd players with upconverters would offer an improvement over a run of the mill $100 progressive scan player.

Based on the recomendations from this site, I purchased the Oppo DV971H online and immediately set about to test it to see how it compared to my $100 Sony progressive scan player.


My observations:

When setting up to calibrate with Digital Video Essentials, I needed to bump the brightness on the oppo to +3 in order to pass blacker than black. I saw no difference in quality between 720p and 1080i settings on the oppo. (neither of my displays have native resolutions which match either...so conversion on the display's part is unavoidable)

Compared to the Sony player on 480p via component, the oppo quite clearly improved the picture when used with the HDMI input. The picture has finer detail, approaching that of a true high def image.

I have not seen the macroblocking or lip synch problems so far.

The only negative is the remote. I find it harder to use than my Sony and really miss the memory feature which lets you pick up where you were last watching.

All in all, I am quite satisfied with the oppo.

I keep seeing this posted. That the brightness needs to be boosted on the player to see BTB information. How is this possible? Doesn't the display have enough adjustment range to make it visible? I don't need to do anything like that with my CRT display. What's up?

Because you can't add more brightness than what's being sent in the video signal to the TV.

I have to state, since I've stopped monkeying around with settings during playback, I have not had any lip sync issues with the Oppo...FWIW

I still have the two problem DVD's with regards to lip sync, but I've noticed that as well - if you change settings that affect synchronization while a DVD is playing it makes 'lip sync' worse. If I'm curious how changing a setting will affect PQ, I stop the disc first. make my change and press play again.

Has anyone tried to use the component out and 480i/576i so you bypass the deinterlacing/scaling and feed the signal into an iScan HD+?

What is the quality output from such a combination compared to an SDI modded DVD player into an iScan HD+?

I keep seeing this posted. That the brightness needs to be boosted on the player to see BTB information. How is this possible? Doesn't the display have enough adjustment range to make it visible? I don't need to do anything like that with my CRT display. What's up?

I can see BTB with the Oppo's default brightness at 0. However, the Oppo's video DVI output levels are not at the DVI studio/video level standards. Setting the brightness to +5 sets it to the studio standards. From here, you should calibrate your display's brightness/contrast to pass BTB/WTW.

Whether you set the Oppo's brightness to +5 or not, as long as your calibrate your display and oppo to pass BTB/WTW, then the end result should be the same.

This is true. I ordered mine from Amazon last week and it came with the DVI->DVI cable.

Are the units shipping from Amazon flashed with the latest firmware?

Are the units shipping from Amazon flashed with the latest firmware?

For the most part, yes. Amazon is continually being sent new stock. The problem is, they dont have to use the new stock if they don't want to.

Has anyone tried to use the component out and 480i/576i so you bypass the deinterlacing/scaling and feed the signal into an iScan HD+?

What is the quality output from such a combination compared to an SDI modded DVD player into an iScan HD+?

Using component out of the Oppo into the iScan HD+ produces an OK image, but it's nothing special, compared to using my SDI RP-91 with the HD+, which produces a far far better image. It's been said many times, the Oppo only shines using DVI. It's really pretty much worthless for component as I've seen sub-$50 players (specifically my Yamakawa 238 that cost $25 after $20 rebate) produce an image just as good if not better than the Oppo.

Right now I alternate watching my SDI RP-91 480i/576i using the HD+ with the Oppo using 720p instead of 1080i (output set to Auto for PAL and NTSC) into the HD+ and then component 1080i from the HD+ to my Sony RPTV. Both solutions produce excellant results, the RP-91 producing a cleaner and more filmlike image but not as as sharp as the Oppo. And for some material the Oppo deinterlaces a little better than letting the HD+ do the deinterlacing.

Thanks CJayB!

So you think a reasonably good combination is OPPO doing deinterlace and some scaling, HD+ doing more scaling and feed the PJ ( in my case a CRT)?
Perhaps it would be better to output the 480p/576p from the OPPO so it just does the deinterlacing and let the HD+ do all the scaling or?

I just trying to find a more economic alternative to an SDI modded DVD player which is **** expensive :( I've been thinking about the NeuNeo 2085 but then I loose out on the MPEG4 capability. Any ideas?

Ops sorry double post

I still have the two problem DVD's with regards to lip sync, but I've noticed that as well - if you change settings that affect synchronization while a DVD is playing it makes 'lip sync' worse. If I'm curious how changing a setting will affect PQ, I stop the disc first. make my change and press play again.


After watching some stuff the last couple of days, I noticed some lip synch in Babylon 5 material (which is pretty poor transfer by the way). I set the delay to 20ms which took care of it. I'm wondering if this problem is source dependant and I'm going to have to keep messing with the setting for each disk?

Thanks CJayB!

So you think a reasonably good combination is OPPO doing deinterlace and some scaling, HD+ doing more scaling and feed the PJ ( in my case a CRT)?
Perhaps it would be better to output the 480p/576p from the OPPO so it just does the deinterlacing and let the HD+ do all the scaling or?

I just trying to find a more economic alternative to an SDI modded DVD player which is **** expensive :( I've been thinking about the NeuNeo 2085 but then I loose out on the MPEG4 capability. Any ideas?

Ideally you'd want to output 720p from the Oppo directly into your display if it has 720p capability and just forget the HD+ scaling, assuming of course that your display doesn't do 1080p, then you would always want to use the HD+ to up-rez. I don't have a choice with the way I do things since my display does not have DVI and is most capable at 1080i (my display will accept 720p but just down-rezs that to 480p). To get the best image from the Oppo I have to output 720p from the Oppo and then let the HD+ rescan to 1080i and convert DVI to component; this definitely works better than using 1080i from the Oppo. I've always noticed with the HD/HD+ that the better the image being inputed, the better its output, in my case even when I'm down-rezing 720p to 1080i.

The Oppo is a great low cost alternative to SDI, but it is not SDI; though given the cost to upgrade a DVD player to SDI and upgrade the HD+ to SDI, if I had had the Oppo before I did the SDI upgrades, I wouldn't have felt the money spent on SDI was worth it, even though now that I have it, I wouldn't want to part with SDI.

As far as the NeoNeu goes, I know very little about it.

Hmm :( The CRT does do 1080p. I'm close to buy an OPPO and see how it works out or a Neuneo 2085 or a Samsung 950 :confused:
The TViX HD M-5000U that will come soon is also tempting (but ugly). Too many choices

I received my Oppo on Friday direct from Oppo. I hooked it up yesterday and waited till last night to calibrate and set everything up. So far I'm happy. Here is what's in my setup that matters.

Pioneer Elite 630HD (DVI input)
Denon AVR-3803
Oppo
Panasonic RP-91

I set the Oppo according to all the settings listed in this thread. It is hooked up via a Monster DVI to DVI (already had it so I decided to use it) and audio is a Blue Jeans coaxial to the Denon 3803. I calibrated the DVI input on the Pioneer using DVE. I'm using 1080i for movie sources and 480p for TV season DVD's.

It was late so I did not get to watch a full movie but I did put in a few different dics to check out a few things. The video montage and Nasa shots on DVE looked great.

I checked out The Eagles Farewell DVD and did not see any lip synch issuses. Picture looked excellent. Also checked out Alison Krauss and Union Station live and again no lip synch. Looked at a few scenes from Star Wars and a couple of other movies and no real problems showed up. No m/b on any of these discs showed up on my display.

I also did the region free hack and checked out a few scenes from my Region 2 pal Laurel & Hardy box set and they worked fine.

I need to spend more time with it and check out a couple of full length movies but so far I'm happy and impressed with the video quality. I was looking mainly for a nice region free player but might have ended up with a great region free and all around great looking upscaling playing to play everything else on.

If there are any scenes to look at on any DVD's to check for m/b or possible lip synch problems please let me know and I'll ceck it out if I have it.

Jim

I still have the lip sync issue on Eagels Farewell I on my setup. My audio goes to my Denon receiver via coaxial. I've tried optical too and that doesn't make a difference. There's no way the audio can get to my receiver faster than it is supposed to right? So if I have to add audio delay that means the video must be delayed to my tv. This problem must be display dependant if you don't see this problem on your system.

So you think a reasonably good combination is OPPO doing deinterlace and some scaling, HD+ doing more scaling and feed the PJ ( in my case a CRT)?
Perhaps it would be better to output the 480p/576p from the OPPO so it just does the deinterlacing and let the HD+ do all the scaling or?

I would set the Oppo for 480p/576p ("Auto") and let the HD+ do all of the scaling. The Oppo's scaling is pretty good, but the iScan's is better, and you really want to do all of your scaling in one place. Scaling twice in separate devices can introduce artifacts.

I still have the lip sync issue on Eagels Farewell I on my setup. My audio goes to my Denon receiver via coaxial. I've tried optical too and that doesn't make a difference. There's no way the audio can get to my receiver faster than it is supposed to right? So if I have to add audio delay that means the video must be delayed to my tv. This problem must be display dependant if you don't see this problem on your system.

It could be display dependent ?? I'll try some more discs later and see if anything shows up. I have a generic DVD-R of the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert made off my LD copy on a Pioneer 520HS dvd recorder and it plays fine also with no lip synch. I'll throw anything else at it if you can think of anything.

Jim

Edit: Corrected for actual brightness value obtained, but +5 looks good.
Setting the Oppo's Brightness control to +5 (leave the Contrast at 0) on the DVI output, sets the player's output to match the DVI Video signal standard. All devices using DVI/HDMI outputs should match this standard. The Oppo's factory default settings should meet this standard, but they don't.

I determined the correct setting for the Oppo by comparing the Oppo's output to the output from my Accupel signal generator and to the outputs of several other DVI/HDMI equiped sources that use the correct signal standard.

Set the Oppo to +5, then set the Brightness and Contrast controls on your display with a test pattern from Avia or DVE.

Glenn

I ordered Oppo from Amazon and also got the DVI-to-DVI. I needed DVI-to-HDMI for my Samsung HLR. There was no option on Amazon to select the cable type.

It could be display dependent ?? I'll try some more discs later and see if anything shows up. I have a generic DVD-R of the Freddie Mercury Tribute Concert made off my LD copy on a Pioneer 520HS dvd recorder and it plays fine also with no lip synch. I'll throw anything else at it if you can think of anything.

Jim

Do you have the Genesis, Live at Wembley DVD? That's the only other DVD that's out of sync for me so far.

Do you have the Genesis, Live at Wembley DVD? That's the only other DVD that's out of sync for me so far.

Scott,

Sorry don't have that one. Let me know if you see any others and I'll try them.

Jim

I ordered Oppo from Amazon and also got the DVI-to-DVI. I needed DVI-to-HDMI for my Samsung HLR. There was no option on Amazon to select the cable type.

See post 973. :)

Dana

Setting the Oppo's Brightness control to +5 (leave the Contrast at 0) on the DVI output, sets the player's output to match the DVI Video signal standard. All devices using DVI/HDMI outputs should match this standard. The Oppo's factory default settings should meet this standard, but they don't.

I determined the correct setting for the Oppo by comparing the Oppo's output to the output from my Accupel signal generator and to the outputs of several other DVI/HDMI equiped sources that use the correct signal standard.

Set the Oppo to +5, then set the Brightness and Contrast controls on your display with a test pattern from Avia or DVE.

Glenn

In my case I'd be raising black level on the Oppo in order to lower it on my TV. If I didn't have enough adjustment range I could see that making sense, but since that's not the case, it's pretty pointless. Your explanation of the incorrect output level on the Oppo sounds reasonable, but why are people having trouble revealing BTB with the Black Level control on their display? Especially when it's only supposed to be revealed just to insure it's there and then concealed again. Is this something common with non-CRT based displays?