I don't know - I liked it. Not the best, but I liked it. I'm going to watch the re-airing in 15 minutes because I didn't completely get everything going on between Baltar/Xena/Hybrid.

Kat always annoyed me, but I think she was supposed to be annoying. Still, I was not expecting her death tonight until towards the end of the episode, and I was touched. More than I thought I'd be. Starbuck needs someone to stand up to her once in a while, and Kat was one of the few willing to do so.

I do think the flow of this ep was weird. It was definitely like they were cramming a lot of stuff into one episode and weren't able to focus in on any one thing as much as was necessary.

Agree with the general comments on the water rehash and the super-chopiness of the episode. Also agree that it didn't have that "life or death" feel to it, mainly because it was so rushed I think. They were losing ships full of people and as the audience I hardly even took note.

Anyway, I was happy that it still had a pretty big plot device with Kat dying even though it looked to be pure filler. Really the last two episodes to me looked like pure boring filler from the previews and both were actually quite good. I especially liked the music when Kat switched out the radiation detector and was walking back to her ship the last time knowing she was going to die.

Kat has always annoyed me as well so if anyone was going to die I was all for it being her.

Agree with the general comments on the water rehash and the super-chopiness of the episode. Also agree that it didn't have that "life or death" feel to it, mainly because it was so rushed I think. They were losing ships full of people and as the audience I hardly even took note.

Anyway, I was happy that it still had a pretty big plot device with Kat dying even though it looked to be pure filler. Really the last two episodes to me looked like pure boring filler from the previews and both were actually quite good. I especially liked the music when Kat switched out the radiation detector and was walking back to her ship the last time knowing she was going to die.

Kat has always annoyed me as well so if anyone was going to die I was all for it being her.

I think they said the ships were run on skeleton crews, not full of people...but again, they're losing ships and they're not acting like its a big deal...with such limited resources, losing something like a ship would be HUGE

I think they said the ships were run on skeleton crews, not full of people...but again, they're losing ships and they're not acting like its a big deal...with such limited resources, losing something like a ship would be HUGE

I thought the skeleton crews thing was part of one of the ideas they had that got shot down? There were lots though so I could easily be mixing that up.

I thought the skeleton crews thing was part of one of the ideas they had that got shot down? There were lots though so I could easily be mixing that up.

No, they were using skeleton crews. That's why Kat's old supplier was on Galactica. They brought as many civilians as they could onto the battlestar because of its better radiation shielding.

Also, and I understand how big space is....but they couldn't plot a few jumps around the star cluster? I just don't see the physics around this...was this a newly forming nebula? I'm gonna go back and watch it now but I just feel like everything was pretty weakly thrown together...

They said it was too large to go around.

They said it was too large to go around.


yeah...but they could jump through it in two jumps...why not make 5 jumps around the outside of it? I dunno...that just didn't sound all that credible...

Well I just watched it again and maybe I was being a little overly critical last night but I still don't think it was a very strong episode. I still got the feeling of it being very disconnected throughout the episode...especially after Starbuck confronts Kat about her past....just seemed all over the place...and very broken up.

I still didn't feel the urgency I felt with "Water"...I just did not feel like they were all about to starve to death...

Also, when they had to do the 5 jumps with the other ships, why didn't the just land the raptors in the hanger bays and do the jump coordination from there? Seemed un-necessary to jump along side them...but then there'd be no drama, and there'd be no reason for Kat to die...so whatever...it is just a tv show and it can't be 100% perfect every week ;)


Oh yeah, and does anyone think that its possible that this star cluster is near the Milky Way Galaxy? Baltar is talking to 6 (D'iana Beers) about the Eye of Jupiter and a bright star cluster, and then they immediately jump to a scene of the star cluster in the raptor...any chance theres any significance to this?

Maybe the star cluster was thin, but large. Think of holding a dinner plate vertically in front of you (so the food falls off): it might take them two jumps to get through the middle width, but image how many it would take to go around either up or down...hundreds maybe? I bet it's something akin to that. Made sense to me at least....

However, I was confused as to why the Raptors needed to see the ships they were escorting. Didn't quite catch that.

However, I was confused as to why the Raptors needed to see the ships they were escorting. Didn't quite catch that.

That was explained in the first few minutes while they were making up the plan. The civilian ships aren't as well shielded against the radiation as the Raptors, so they are the the nav systems for the civilians ships. The civilians ships will need repairs once all this is done to fix their nav systems.

That was explained in the first few minutes while they were making up the plan. The civilian ships aren't as well shielded against the radiation as the Raptors, so they are the the nav systems for the civilians ships. The civilians ships will need repairs once all this is done to fix their nav systems.

Yeah, but what does that have to do with visually being able to see them from the cockpit? It's not like the civilian ships were like "oh look I saw them jump that way, follow them!"

I kind of liked this episode. Maybe it was because I was hoping that Starbuck would shove her tongue deep inside Kat's mouth and well ummmm I need to stop watching porn.:) I did like Kat's storyline. Of course, they never would have been in this predicament if that traitor Helo wouldn't have killed the infected cylons. Send him out the airlock!

Yeah, but what does that have to do with visually being able to see them from the cockpit? It's not like the civilian ships were like "oh look I saw them jump that way, follow them!"

Nothing visually, but remember, they are doing jumps. It's like walking across a busy street with your eyes closed. THAT is what the civilian ships are going through. Their communications are also nearly fried as a result. With their nav systems fried, the civilian ships can't calculate their jumps. That is why the Raptors were there. The Raptors are the seeing eye dogs.
Make sense now?

Nothing visually, but remember, they are doing jumps. It's like walking across a busy street with your eyes closed. THAT is what the civilian ships are going through. Their communications are also nearly fried as a result. With their nav systems fried, the civilian ships can't calculate their jumps. That is why the Raptors were there. The Raptors are the seeing eye dogs.
Make sense now?

No, I still don't get why seeing them visually matters at all. They were able to communicate somehow because they had to pass the new jump coordinates. I don't see why that process requires a tallyho

No, I still don't get why seeing them visually matters at all. They were able to communicate somehow because they had to pass the new jump coordinates. I don't see why that process requires a tallyho

In that stuff, the civilian ships are basically blind. Even the military ships sensors are pretty much gone. But their jump nav systems are still working. They need visual to make sure they give the right instructions to the right ship. Otherwise where they wind up may not be pleasant. Imagine this, you have several blind people standing on a curb of a busy street. There are gaps in the cars. If you just yell out go now, there is a space to walk through, and the wrong person goes, they get splatted. The visual range would be similar to a sighted person taking a blind person and escorting them through the holes in traffic.

Maybe Ron has different explanation, but that was my interpretation of why this was done.

Also reminded me the TOS movie premier and going to that mining planet. Except there, Galactica would tell the Viper pilots when to shoot to destroy the mines as their sensors were shot.


But on the whole, I guess Kat was the (semi) main character who was leaving the show. She may have not been in the main title credits, but she was in the secondary credits just before the guest star credits.

I kind of liked this episode. Maybe it was because I was hoping that Starbuck would shove her tongue deep inside Kat's mouth and well ummmm I need to stop watching porn.:) I did like Kat's storyline. Of course, they never would have been in this predicament if that traitor Helo wouldn't have killed the infected cylons. Send him out the airlock!

Thats funny as I also though that starbuck was going to give KAT one huge kiss.

:D :cool:

I love the show and have been hooked since the mini-series. I know we she should just enjoy the show for what it is and not think too much about certain things. Friday, though, I let myself slip.

Remember the discussion with Baltar where the question came up, what exactly is D'anna doing when she disappears each day? OK, so nobody ever thinks to follow her, fine.

What got me thinking, though, is what exactly do all of the Cylons actually DO? I mean, other than pursuing Galactica and the fleet to blow it to kingdom come, what do they see their purpose being?

They had a purpose at one time: to serve. Then that evolving and rebelling stuff happened. So, they are devoting their entire racial and planetary resources to destroying their creators? Then what? If they succeed, there would be nothing left to pursue or blow up.

As I said, too much thinking.

The cylons are trying to be just like the humans, they do tie chi naked, they Liv on caprica in apartments write music. They really need a shrink and that would be Valtar. thats the way I see it

The Cylon scenes in this episode were really interesting. We saw Balter just gain a little advantage - actually getting into D'Anna's head. The Cylons have internal conflict with both each other and within themselves. I look forward to seeing how he works his way out of this situation. What a great character Baltar has become - James Callis does an outstanding job.

Count me too for thinking that Starbuck and Kat were going to liplock.

In that stuff, the civilian ships are basically blind. Even the military ships sensors are pretty much gone. But their jump nav systems are still working. They need visual to make sure they give the right instructions to the right ship. Otherwise where they wind up may not be pleasant. Imagine this, you have several blind people standing on a curb of a busy street. There are gaps in the cars. If you just yell out go now, there is a space to walk through, and the wrong person goes, they get splatted. The visual range would be similar to a sighted person taking a blind person and escorting them through the holes in traffic.

Maybe Ron has different explanation, but that was my interpretation of why this was done.

so why couldn't the raptors have been inside those civ ships? :D

Probably for the same reason an F14 cant find a target from inside the haul of the aircraft carrier Enterprise. Besides it wouldn't be as dramatic.

Just read that BSG was selected as one of AFI's Top 10 TV Shows again this year.

Go BSG!!

http://www.afi.com/tvevents/afiawards06/default.aspx

AFI TV PROGRAMS OF THE YEAR-OFFICIAL SELECTIONS

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
DEXTER
ELIZABETH I
FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS
HEROES
THE OFFICE
SOUTH PARK
24
THE WEST WING
THE WIRE

Just read that BSG was selected as one of AFI's Top 10 TV Shows again this year.

Go BSG!!

http://www.afi.com/tvevents/afiawards06/default.aspx

AFI TV PROGRAMS OF THE YEAR-OFFICIAL SELECTIONS

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA
DEXTER
ELIZABETH I
FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS
HEROES
THE OFFICE
SOUTH PARK
24
THE WEST WING
THE WIREI'm not a cartoon fanatic but South park is really good at times.

Okay so I just finished the dvds and got caught up on season 3. Couple ?s:

Is the ol' one eye back to being the Ex-O?

Am I the only person that wants Helo to get the axe? He is really annoying.

Yes, Tigh is the XO.

I was pretty disgusted that Helo got away with what he did in Measure of Salvation. However, I generally like the character. He's really a pretty good person. Is that what you don't like about him?

Yes, Tigh is the XO.

I was pretty disgusted that Helo got away with what he did in Measure of Salvation. However, I generally like the character. He's really a pretty good person. Is that what you don't like about him?

Perhaps in a way. He is just so naive... the character needs an edge. Of course that will inevitably happen when he finds out his robot love child is alive. Maybe it is just my anxiety about that looming conflict that has me annoyed with him now.

Yes, Tigh is the XO.

I was pretty disgusted that Helo got away with what he did in Measure of Salvation. However, I generally like the character. He's really a pretty good person. Is that what you don't like about him?


I really liked Helo's character in the miniseries. He gave up his seat so that someone more qualified (Baltar, unfortunately) could live. That was very noble. I thought it was a shame that we wouldn't see him again, as he'd be stranded on Caprica while the fleet was off running from the Cylons. I was wrong, they worked him right back into it.

The problem I have with him now is that he's blinded by his love for Sharon. He can't believe that Cylons are just 'misunderstood' and that with proper understanding we'd have peace...but apparently he does. It's a little hard to stomach, coming to dislike a character I once had admiration for (within the context of the show lol).

I was surprised that after the invasion there was a continuing story line on Caprica, which I enjoyed very much.

Did Baltar indicate there are (5) (7?) Cylon models we haven't seen? Baltar seems to hope he is one of the undiscovered Cylons so he can obtain some measure of validation for his actions. I was waiting for "Number Six" or "D'Anna Biers" to put a bullet in his head to find out. :D

From next weeks preview, it looks as if Baltar will be turned over to the Colonial Fleet and if I'm writing this series... Baltar will be tried, convicted, executed... and resurrected. ;)

So say we all

There are 5 Cylon models we haven't seen (not counting the "living ship" Cylons, like the "pregogs" we see running the base ships or the Raiders). Baltar is not one of them. He's all too human with a touch (well, maybe more than a touch) of psychosis. My hunch is they've been "boxed" for whatever reasons. Those reasons will undoubtedly be revealed to us in the fullness of time. ;)

So will next week's episode be the demise of Baltar? Just like Doctor Zachery Smith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_in_Space), Baltar is the character we love to hate.

I'll rewrite the script and as with the Cylons, predict that Baltar will somehow manage to convince the Colonials to perceive there is some value in keeping him alive.

I agree that Helo needs an edge. Though I like the character, I do understand how people may feel he is naive. I think I said earlier that I would've preferred he be punished somehow for his sabotage of the "cylon genocide" mission. But he was waiting for his punishment that never happened, so I don't blame him for that. Maybe they were trying to give him an 'edge' by having him act against military orders, but it doesn't seem to have worked.

As for Baltar, I'd be majorly disappointed if he turned out to be a Cylon. I really do love the character because of his totally human weaknesses. No matter what he does, it's hard for me to hate him for it because there rarely (if ever) seems to be any malice involved. He just wants to save his own ass.

No matter what he does, it's hard for me to hate him for it because there rarely (if ever) seems to be any malice involved. He just wants to save his own ass.

I was with you up until that point...does giving a known Cylon agent a nuke out of spite count as malice? I think it does :-)

does giving a known Cylon agent a nuke out of spite count as malice? I think it does :-)
That’s good!
Let’s look at some of Baltars past transgressions….
- Sold out the human race back on Caprica by granting an enemy Cylon agent unlimited access to the defense mainframe for a turn in the sheets with #6.
- Falsified positive test results from the Cylon Detector device when he was warned that Sharon might break his neck if it was reveled she was indeed a Cylon.
- Supplied a nuclear weapon to a known Cylon agent, which resulted in multiple deaths and the destruction of several fleet vessels.
- Sold out the human race once again on New Caprica by collaborating with the Cylon occupation government.
- Signed death orders for suspected resistance members on New Caprica.
… hmmmmm, did I leave anything out? Most likely....

The most harm Dr. Smith ever did was to steal half of Penny’s birthday cake or turn over the keys for the Jupiter II to the visiting alien of the week.
No comparison between the two. When you think of it… letting the Cylons keep Baltar would be a really smart move on Adamas part. If he can frack them over multiple times like he did to us humans…. It’d be a good thing!!

The most harm Dr. Smith ever did was to steal half of Penny’s birthday cake"Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!"

I guess you forgot about the "fact" that the notorious Dr. Smith:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/dr_smith.JPG

sabotaged Jupiter 2... hence they were "Lost in Space!" :D

lighten up

Here's someone else's take on the episode "The Passage"...

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=easterbrook/061212

(scroll down thru the football stuff, or just search on the word "Galactica")

"Danger, Will Robinson! Danger!"

I guess you forgot about the "fact" that the notorious Dr. Smith:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzequg9f/dr_smith.JPG

sabotaged Jupiter 2... hence they were "Lost in Space!" :D

lighten up
Ok.... you got me there!
As I recall, he also insulted the robot from time to time- didn't he? :D :D :D

The Dr. Smith character was initially very evil - he was an agent of a foreign government sent to sabotage or destroy the mission (you have to remember the times the program was actually written for, even though it was set in the year 1997).

He added programming to the robot to destroy the ship 8 hours after liftoff, however, when he was unexpectedly trapped on the ship - he had to do something to save his skin. He also later programmed the robot to only respond to his voice commands. It took a while to get rid of that problem.

Once the Jupiter 2 crashed on the unknown planet, Smith was determined to get back to Earth and he didn't care who got killed in the process.

Jonathan Harris admitted (during the "Lost in Space" special a few years ago) that he didn't like the character as initially portrayed and begged the writers to make his character a bit more for "comic relief". That's pretty much where the popular troika (Smith, Will and the Robot) came about.

The stories, which were pretty good initially, got sillier and sillier, until they culminated in the ridiculous episode, "The Great Vegetable Rebellion" (the writers admitted they just had ran out of ideas!)

Yeah, I kinda forgot about the nuke. Good point!

However, I think you could argue that the rest was either done unknowingly or because he was going to die if he didn't. Sure, it would've been nice to see him take a stand and not sign the death warrant on New Caprica, but he had no choice if he was going to live.

There's no doubt that Baltar is more comfortable with the Cylons at this point, and why not? Which is why it's going to be so much fun to see him with the fleet again ... er, eventually.

There's no doubt that Baltar is more comfortable with the Cylons at this point, and why not? Which is why it's going to be so much fun to see him with the fleet again ... er, eventually.
The only thing is that now, everybody knows he’s a traitor that sold out the human race.
Before the New Caprica occupation- there were only suspicions as to his character and misdeeds. Somehow he was always able to slip under the radar and stay one step of his accusers. Col. Tigh was certainly critical and suspicious of Baltar (especially after the Cylon Detector gave Sharon a pass just before she tried to kill the old man), Adama had has suspicions too, remember the #6/Shelly Godfried incident with video images of Baltar inside the defense mainframe?. And let’s not forget the visions Pres. Roslyn had of Baltar and #6 together on Caprica before the attack.
But these were all disconnected incidents with no real substance or concrete evidence behind them. Now it’s different, Baltars actions down on New Caprica- witnessed by the populace en masse, would be enough to get him airlocked without so much as even a mock trial!
I couldn’t imagine any situation that would somehow get that little fracker back in good graces of the fleet. He would be a marked man the second the Cylons returned him…. What fun that would be! :D :D

I hear ya'. :( My TWC added it for 2 weeks last February for the Olympics, with no impact on other programming, and then promptly took it away again. I got no explanation from them when I queried them about that. Bastards.

I did get to see 3 episodes in HD while it was up, however, and it was spectacular.


Same here in Mid Michigan. Channel 208 (I think). I called recently and complained about this. Telling the "rep" that we had it once before...why not NOW!?

Yes I watched three episodes as well...it was effin cool!

Now thats doable since you already have the xbox another $200 not so bad, I though the same thing using netflix is the way to go, I just cant justify $550 for a ps3 for just movies in my case, I'm not into games. At this point I wouldn't even spend $200 on a stand alone blue ray unless it did both formats, I know stand alone is $1000 :eek:

My son called me last week from Chicago (He goes to school there) and asked me if he should buy a PS3 from Best Buy since they had a couple in stock and sell it on eBay. I asked him wouldn't HE rather own one? Dumb question but a fun one to ask. In short I ended up buying it for him.(60Gb with WiFi and memory card slots)

Now he has a HD Blu-Ray player and I don't...hahaha I told him to bring it home during Christmas break and let us ALL enjoy it. I just might go out and rent some nice HD titles while he is at home.

I also thought this last episode was badly edited. Seems they could of made it into two parts. Maybe they wanted too but ran out of resources (money) for this season. I'll bet there will be more scenes on the DVD set.

And why didn't they have emergency rations? MREs or something similar? You would think that something as basic as food would be a top priority and they would have a back-up plan.

I am guessing they had been searching for food since the escape from NC, but were unable to find anything. When they finally did, they had less than a week of rations to get to the planet and start processing. This was the reason they had to go through the star cluster rather than around. It was a combination of the number of jumps and the limited time before people started straving to death. Better to go through and suffer a few losses than go around taking three or four days. Remember it takes a minimum of 33 minutes to do jumps. cutting into the time to process the 'food.' Not to mention that may have also put them in a crunch for fuel again.

Golden globe nominees out but no nod for BSG. The rest of the world just doesn't get it, and it's a cryin' shame.

The only thing is that now, everybody knows he’s a traitor that sold out the human race.
Before the New Caprica occupation- there were only suspicions as to his character and misdeeds. Somehow he was always able to slip under the radar and stay one step of his accusers. Col. Tigh was certainly critical and suspicious of Baltar (especially after the Cylon Detector gave Sharon a pass just before she tried to kill the old man), Adama had has suspicions too, remember the #6/Shelly Godfried incident with video images of Baltar inside the defense mainframe?. And let’s not forget the visions Pres. Roslyn had of Baltar and #6 together on Caprica before the attack.
But these were all disconnected incidents with no real substance or concrete evidence behind them. Now it’s different, Baltars actions down on New Caprica- witnessed by the populace en masse, would be enough to get him airlocked without so much as even a mock trial!
I couldn’t imagine any situation that would somehow get that little fracker back in good graces of the fleet. He would be a marked man the second the Cylons returned him…. What fun that would be! :D :D

If Baltar re-joined the fleet, I'm not sure where his story line could go.....as mentioned, he has probably pissed off just about everybody and was connected in one way or the other with the deaths of family members. Other than keeping him in jail or spacing him, he seems beyond redemption.

OTOH, staying with the Cylons, he stay in line with the original series (not that that has to happen) where Baltar was commanding a basestar in pursuit of Galactica.

If Baltar re-joined the fleet, I'm not sure where his story line could go.....as mentioned, he has probably pissed off just about everybody and was connected in one way or the other with the deaths of family members. Other than keeping him in jail or spacing him, he seems beyond redemption.

OTOH, staying with the Cylons, he stay in line with the original series (not that that has to happen) where Baltar was commanding a basestar in pursuit of Galactica.

He only has to convince the people he was kidnapped and tortured to be allowed to be free. And then he can let them think he knows the way to Earth to be useful. I can think of many other ways he could keep the storyline going.

OTOH, staying with the Cylons, he stay in line with the original series (not that that has to happen) where Baltar was commanding a basestar in pursuit of Galactica."Luuuuke" (http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/) :D

Easy on the flames if this was already discussed... but i noticed last night that tonights BSG is being billed as the season finale. huh?!?!

I thought the whole point of season 3 being delayed was that we'd have a full 20 episodes rather than two 10's broken up with a big gap of downtime in-between...

Somebody please set me straight, as if this is the case, I'd say this season still feels like it's in hangover mode... thanks

It's the midseason finale. The show is back with the second half of the season starting Sunday, January 21st, at 10:00pm Eastern.

thanks for the reply loco...

seems a little ridiculous to bill it as 'season finale' as numerous SciFi network graphics illustrated yesterday... The website is now labelling it as 'fall finale'.

makes me wonder if NBC-Uni are going to try and weasel another 2 DVD sets out of this season (like 2.0 & 2.5). should be sufficient to sell sets in both SD & HD.

BEST NEWS I'VE HEARD ALL WEEK - BSG MOVES TO SUNDAY NIGHT

AWESOME EPISODE....I can't wait for the 21st!!!!!!!

Oh my God, this show is just so frakking good! When Roslin asked Adama what he was doing and he said, "Getting ready to launch nuclear weapons" with a kind of "duh! What did you think I was doing?" tone in his voice was priceless! His delivery was great!

The whole temple thing is very interesting, and how Tyrol found it and wondered if the gods had a hand in it. And there was a ton of character stuff going on -- Lee and Dee, Lee and Kara, Lee/Kara/Sam, Baltar/Deanna/Caprica, Sharon and Helo...they packed a TON of stuff into an hour!

Xcellent episode. Will watch again at eleven.

Well thankfully it seems they're up to their old tricks again. The post-New Caprica stuff was needed but beginning to drag.

Sunday at 10 is a much better showcase... hope it sticks.

Man those last couple minutes were great, too bad I knew it was just going to end in a cliffhanger.

The music ever since the season 1 finale has been awesome, and these last 3 eps and pretty much all of season 3 has been nothing short of unbelievable.

Yep, I love those drums they played during the buildup to the cliffhanger ending. Same music that was used in the Pegasus cliffhanger, I believe.

I was mesmerized by the meeting between Baltar and Adama/Roslin/Tigh/Gaeta. In fact, it was great seeing their reactions to hearing his voice when the basestar contacted Galactica.

I'm so glad Adama didn't know about Hera. That had worried me ever since Sharon told Three "Adama wouldn't lie to me."

The preview for the return in January - UGH. Wish I hadn't watched it.

That look Sharon gave Adama......methinks there'll be repercussions and consequences. Not that it's his fault.

This was a great episode. One that needs to be watched again and again.

I have been thinking about the "FIVE". Maybe the 5 were in a sort Gods. Cylon-ish type Gods. Meaning they were machines built way before the humans evolved on their planets. Then the 5 Gods gave the humans cylons to help them. Watched over them for eons. Then the modern day cylons evolved. Bringing everything to a head.

Something like that anyways. I have to "think" some more. :D

I had DVR'd it and wasn't paying attention to the time when the "to be continued" appeared. "Frack" doesn't quite cover that.

Way back when, the Cylons were using the phrase "all this has happened before". They are looking for the 5 missing Cylon models. The humans have the temple of 5. So, time for the guessing game. What are famous "5's" in Earth history?

What are famous "5's" in Earth history?

The Greek gods? Egyptian gods?

The Greek gods? Egyptian gods?

Well, the "big 5" Greek gods were:

Zeus Poseidon Hera Athena Apollo Ares

We've got Hera, Athena and Apollo covered!

Well, the "big 5" Greek gods were:

Zeus Poseidon Hera Athena Apollo Ares

That's six ;)

That's six ;)

Yeah, well, I never could get that math thing right :rolleyes:

^^ I was just thinking the same thing. A bit of a co-incidence about the 5's. But that is also 3 thousand years difference. But! if the Cylon's built models with the same names? So, which Greek god's have not yet been mentioned as a call sign? Zeus, Ares, Aphrodite, Artemis, Demeter, Dionysus, Hephaestus, Hermes, Poseidon.
Who will they be? Imperious leader and maybe Lucifer? (TOS reference) :)

I have been thinking about the "FIVE". Maybe the 5 were in a sort Gods. Cylon-ish type Gods. Meaning they were machines built way before the humans evolved on their planets. Then the 5 Gods gave the humans cylons to help them. Watched over them for eons. Then the modern day cylons evolved. Bringing everything to a head.
Wasn't the "FIVE" in regard to the 5 Priests of the Temple?

~Dan

Ok, well how about simpler speculation... who will be 'the chosen one' they refer to?

Chief Tyrol... Baltar? Don't think they've tried to foreshadow anyone else...
I'd imagine it involves a bit more than finding the eye of jupiter.

Wasn't the "FIVE" in regard to the 5 Priests of the Temple?

~Dan


Probably....I was just throwing out ideas since there is some kind of "connection" between them in reference to the GODS. I was hoping others could add to my idea...hehe

The SFX just seem to be getting better and better by the episode.
The scene where Starbuck "Dusted" the encampment on landing the raptor was very realistic. Reminds me of when I used to fly helicopters... we used to have a couple of "hot shots" who would always come in hot right over the building and blow down all kind of FOD from the rooftop. We always reacted the same as Apollo did.. "who the frack was that!?" Yeah, we did actually say "frack" when we had visitors in the ops room- it was in the mid 80's so many of us 20 something year old pilots had seen the original BSG back in '79.
Realistically, in military or even civilian service... someone with Starbuck's attitude wouldn't last very long, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the character one bit :D


Oh yeah.... loved the look on Baltars face when Brother Cavel tried to sweeten the deal for the Eye by throwing Baltar in as a good will gesture! :eek: :eek: :eek:

Realistically, in military or even civilian service... someone with Starbuck's attitude wouldn't last very long, but that doesn't stop me from enjoying the character one bit :D




Just curious, having no military experience myself, would that apply even in time of war?

From what I can tell, Starbuck was in pilot hell being assigned to Galactica pre-war, and probably only then because Adama vouched for her and asked for her. She was barely tolerated to begin with.

Ok, well how about simpler speculation... who will be 'the chosen one' they refer to?

Chief Tyrol... Baltar? Don't think they've tried to foreshadow anyone else...
I'd imagine it involves a bit more than finding the eye of jupiter.

I figured the Cylon ship-lady was looking right at Balter as she talked of the chosen one. That could be how he would get back onto Galactica and not be pummeled to death. Maybe the chief discovers that Balter must be kept alive and vouches for him?

Does anyone know how the Cylons found out about the "Eye of Jupiter"? They just kind of showed up w/ no explanation. Usually that sort of thing is explained. Wonder how well they did jumping through the radioactive nebula...?

Does anyone know how the Cylons found out about the "Eye of Jupiter"? They just kind of showed up w/ no explanation. Usually that sort of thing is explained. Wonder how well they did jumping through the radioactive nebula...?


Baltar figured it out episode before last. The cylon 'pilot' babbled about it and he deciphered the clues.

Baltar figured it out episode before last. The cylon 'pilot' babbled about it and he deciphered the clues.

Oh man, gotta' go back and revisit that to see how that all came about. I confess I didn't pay that much attention the "precog/pilot" babbling... didn't think it would actually mean anything.

I figured the Cylon ship-lady was looking right at Balter as she talked of the chosen one. That could be how he would get back onto Galactica and not be pummeled to death. Maybe the chief discovers that Balter must be kept alive and vouches for him?

It looked to me as well as if the hybrid was making direct eye contact with Baltar when she was talking about the chosen one.

When will the HD-DVD version of BSG be coming out?

not soon enough.. I would jump on the HD dvd band wagon if the set came out tomorrow

i'm firmly in the blu-ray camp (why not exploit the extra storage space), so i'd actually hope they wait long enough to decide to press both versions before they produc a hi-def release.... but yeah, i'd be tempted too.

Well since Unverisal is a HD-DVD only camp, i guess it would be out on HD-DVD, i am just waiting for the release

could've worded my post better.
optimistically hoping that consumers side with BluRay quickly, might convince HDdvd-only studios to switch or at least provide both formats before it's time to release BSG on disc.... a guy can dream, can't he?

I've seen a few HD-DVDs now on an HD-A2 playing on an Optoma H79. I'm now convinced I need to buy a Hi-Def player next year. Just going on price, it'll prob be an HD-DVD unit. I'll prob wait until BSG is out :P heh.

Did anyone else think that when Adama made the threat about the nukes to the Cylons he should have just walked up and sneezed in her face instead? Make her think he had infected her w/ the virus. Just my twisted thought.

Did anyone else think that when Adama made the threat about the nukes to the Cylons he should have just walked up and sneezed in her face instead? Make her think he had infected her w/ the virus. Just my twisted thought.

For that matter, they should have just shot Baltar right there in the room. Cylons probably wouldn't have even blinked.

i think the only ball the writers dropped was the development of Boomer. They kind've just switched gears with her human/cylon conflict without suffcient explanation IMO. Felt like they just wanted to give more credibility to Athena's 'goodness'...

I'd have thought Boomer would be more apt to want to serve as a double-agent if possible. And let me stress 'want'... not to say anyone would trust her again. I felt the revelation of the cylon child to Athena was a little too cold and out of character for Boomer.

Speaking of Boomer... what happened between the end of season 2 and beginning of season 3 that changed her attitiude about humans? I mean, she helped Samuel Anders escape in season 2 and then all of a sudden it is a good idea to occupy New Caprica and imprison humanity.

I don't think she(boomer) wanted to imprison humanity. She and Caprica wanted to live in peace with the humans. The other cylons (brother cavel, d'anna, and doral) still looked down on the humans and even help things spiral out of control on new caprica. I believe Boomer saw the humans as not accepting the occupation and acts of terrorism and had her opinion of the humans slide a notch or two. She also may be jealous of Athena's position among the crew of Galatica and her life with Helo. Maybe the information leak about athena's child was a way to sabotage that.

Speaking of Boomer... what happened between the end of season 2 and beginning of season 3 that changed her attitiude about humans? I mean, she helped Samuel Anders escape in season 2 and then all of a sudden it is a good idea to occupy New Caprica and imprison humanity.

Occupation was the compromise. Other Cylon models wanted humanity dead, Boomer and Caprica wanted to live in peace. The compromise was occupation. They don't trust humanity to go out on their own, they fear we'll return for vengeance.

and show up where BSG was?

And how DID Chief Tyrol get this "funny feeling" and almost be DRAWN to find the temple, kindasorta hearing or feeling it... being drawn to it?

The answer to BOTH questions could easily be MORE CYLONS in the Human fleet, since Sharon already admitted to Adama last season there WERE several more in the fleet and refused to identify them...

And funny thing, Tyrol USED to be in love with Sharon, and he was drawn to the Eye, and then the Cylons suddenly knew about it... Could he be a "sleeper Cylon?," one who doesn't know he is one? The thought struck me immediately when he started wandering off on the "algae planet," then moreso when he found the temple, then REALLY nagged at me after the Cylons just "showed up" there, knowing what was on the planet.

I HOPE he's not a Cylon (in the context of the show), but then I'm in the camp who doesn't believe the Human-form Cylons are necessarily evil incarnate, as Athena has proven, and as Caprica and Boomer hover on showing, and as even the Lucy Lawless character (not sure which of those names is hers) is starting to make me wonder about, since she's all obsessed about "finding God."

I really think the writers are making a morality play here about what is and isn't "life" and about differences between cultures and religions (bear in mind that the "Humans" in this show are polytheists who subscribe to what we consider an archaic mythology, whereas the Cylons are the monotheists who believe in a single God, as do most of us). I'm wondering if the longterm goal of this series isn't a complete truce and merging of Cylons and "Humans" into a new breed of improved humans who are mostly monotheistic?

As for Baltar, I don't think anybody wants to kill him off as long as we can all see him suffer, lol. If he DOES end up back with the Humans, they'll figure out a way to make him some sort of degraded servant or prisoner, but more likely he'll remain with the Cylons in increasingly interesting story lines...

I also find it quite humorous that the most vicious of the human-form Cylons is the one who was supposed to be a priest, Cavel, who seems to really RELISH torture and murder and mayhem... That's the best role that actor (his name escapes me just as I need it most) has had in ages -- far better than on "Quantum Leap," even.

Can't wait to see what happens Jan. 21, even though Sundays at 10 are a real conflict time for me... with a dual tuner card in my new Media Center system, I should be able to record enough to still see everything I want to, plus Sci-Fi obliges with double-runnings.

Happy viewings and Merry Christmas!
Jeff

Well, the chief's "sensitivity" was at least partially explained when he said that his parents were believers...perhaps he got some early training that really never left him.

I also agree that Dean Stockwell (Br. Cavel) is a very effective actor, and his character is a good one.

Since the Cylons cannot reproduce (replicate, yes), they have a great interest in Athena's baby...though if they realize they need humans to produce hybrids I wonder why they are constantly trying to destroy them.

and show up where BSG was?



This was explained early up the thread...Baltar deciphered what the pre-cog-looking Cylon was saying in an earlier episode...she (if its a she) talked about a bright star cluster and a planet where they could find the eye of jupiter...this was explained albeit it was slightly less than straightforward

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Yaknow I saw that in the "previously on BSG" part at the beginning of the show, too, lax (I must have missed an episode... think I recorded one week and accidentally deleted before watching, or something... but it STILL seems a bit "hinky" to me, and I STILL think the writers are doing a bit of "hinting" to us viewers that the Chief, if not a Cylon, is SOMETHING other than just a regular old Human -- religious zealot parents or not... just a funny feeling.

What would REALLY make for an interesting story would be if Calleigh turned out to be a Cylon -- since it was SHE who shot and killed Boomer for shooting Adama, and since "sleeper Cylons" have NO awareness of who or what they are...

Interestingly, since my last posting Universal HD ran the "downloaded" episode again, where they tell the story of Caprica and Boomer being reborn and living back on Caprica and how both were "heros" to the rest of the Cylons and NEITHER was adjusting well because Caprica Six was still secretly in love with Gaius Baltar and "Sharon Valerii" was still insisting she was Boomer and HATED being a Cylon... For anyone who may have missed that episode, hope I haven't spoiled too much already, but if you remember, the other Cylons are considering "boxing" both of their memories just as what's his name (the guy who marries Starbuck) sets off the bomb under the cafe and they end up killing one of the Lucy Lawless models to save him (and themselves), and let him go WITH HIS PISTOL (but then these same two are part of the occupation, although you may remember that the Caprica model gets shot in the head by her fellow Cylons defending Baltar at one point on New Caprica, and Boomer becomes less and less a fan of Humans)...

Just think, only 3.5 weeks to go before we get to see HOW and WHO stops Adama's nuclear missile launch, lol (my guess is someone is going to ACTIVATE the "eye of Jupiter," whatever THAT is)...

Personally, storywise, I think it's time for Cylons and Humans to not only call a truce but to form a single society and begin living together in peace and cooperation and maybe even interbreeding (although maybe that will be banned and done only secretly)... and THEN the conflict can rage on with splinter groups of radical underground elements who oppose the "new world order" on both sides -- perhaps some working together, some fighting each other... Can't ya see Kara Thrace as a faithful Captain by day/terrorist by night???

Happy Viewings!
Jeff

Jeff, I've thought Calleigh and Riley er... Anders were Cylons for a looong time now. Hate to so, because I'm sure Ron Moore builds the scripts to give him the most options moving forward... in case he changes his mind at any time.

My reasoning was that I thought that Calleigh was 'saving' Boomer from a capture/interrogation fate when she shot her. I also thought it was convenient that Calleigh was among the people who 'couldn't' shoot/attack the Centurions on the planet surface (with Crashdown, Chief, Baltar, etc). Also her infatuation with the Cheif, her immediate forgiveness after he pummels her in his sleep, and then their child.

I never liked Anders, so maybe that clouds my judgement... but He survives on Caprica in the midst of the holocaust, he's super-athletic (enhanced?), seems to be no help in preventing the capture of Starbuck, escaping the aforementioned scenario in the building basement, marrying Starbuck (they seem infatuated with screwing with her specifically in addition to procreation)...

I THOUGHT the nail in the coffin was the fact that he got so sick on new Caprica. I thought the interference field which was supposed to prevent cylon detection might have been acting in the same manner as the same that was killing the cylon at the ammo yard in the miniseries. The same cylon who went directly to (what seemed like an unphased) Anders' tent looking for Starbuck. (I realize I probably screwed up this last part quite a bit).

Overall though... I seriously think RM purposely sticks in plenty of misleading and vague possibilities. It's very good writing...

and it's PRECISELY THAT which keeps us all coming back for more and has critics continually hailing BSG as one of the best dramas on TV (the deliberately vague and misleading storylines, along with all the good drama, which leave us all guessing what's gonna happen and trying to outsmart the writers and director)...

Another thought I had from the MOMENT she arrived onscene was that the crusty ole XO's wife was a Cylon, and I'm STILL not convinced she's not one... I mean, look at the part she played on New Caprica -- even if it WAS (supposedly) in defense of her husband, to get him better treatment and eventually released.

BTW, Peter, THANKS SO MUCH for mentioning Dean Stockwell by name so I could get OVER that brain fart, lol... I remember he was sort of a "hunk" actor back before I was old enough to know what that was, then went through a good many years when he was like "Dean WHO???" My dad worked for a company during that time that had him regularly fly out to Dallas, and he said he saw him flying coach, one time, doing his best to disguise who he was and not looking very well, at all... I DON'T keep up with the personal lives of stars much at all, but he could have been one of the many who peaks, then gets self-destructive with drugs and/or alcohol when the career falters... Whatever the case, an excellent actor, I've been glad to see him back for a good many years now, not only as a regular here and on Quantum Leap (which I thought was too silly to watch), but also in a number of guest roles on shows like "The Outer Limits" and in a variety of movie roles.

I think the BIGGEST surprise to all of us at this point would be if Kara Thrace turned out to be a Cylon, which is EXACTLY WHY I wouldn't put THAT ONE past Ron Moore, either... Nor would I put it past him/them to decide that the (other five) had been working in secret away from the other "skinjobs" and had done all kinds of things the "skinjobs" we know about don't know... like maybe created a number of new models, come up with a means of self-procreation -- whatever... That's the great thing about science fiction; the writers and director can take it pretty much anywhere they want to, and so long as they do it in a believeable fashion the audience will accept it.

And yeah, Calleigh COULD have killed Boomer to SHUT HER UP... I didn't even THINK of that... Thanks Opus.

They could run this for A LONG TIME TO COME...

Speaking of long times, I see Stargate is about bow out with Season 10... I'll be sad to see it go, but they really ARE kinda running out of ideas... Atlantis looks like it has no such plans, however.

Happy Viewings,
Jeff

Always keeps you guessing... and there's not much they're not willing to do, so who knows.

I always felt Tigh's wife was too obvious a potential-cylon, a just something thrown in for exactly that purpose... so i never bit with her. Although, at this point I wouldn't put it past them to bring her back as one just to screw with Col. Tigh. Would certainly explain her willingness to sleep with anything on two legs... Maybe she comes back with Billy (just kidding).

Starbuck, a Cylon? well she is the story's tragic figure... maybe programmed with memories of an abusive childhood that never existed... hmm. Sounds like it might be too much of a series finale stunt for their tastes.,, but what do I know? I do think it more likely they tease us with nuances of possibility, but never actually do it.
I WAS pretty sure that Kasey was actually her daughter though....

REALLY fracked with her head, didn't it???

I mean WAY MORE than even us BSG afficianados who THOUGHT we knew Kara well and figured she could get over ANYTHING thought it could... took only ONE accident to get her attached, then VERY involved, and then when someone else thanked her for saving THEIR child, it was like they just RIPPED HER HEART OUT.

As to the Cylons, however, I think I've already indicated I don't see them as pure evil, like most fans and "humans" on the show do -- especially now that it's come out Adama actually crossed their boundary and broke the truce so the Humans actually started the war...

Consider that the Cylons are still new to being "skinjobs" and while they may see Humans and an "inferior lifeform from which they evolved," that's also the reaction almost EVERY TEENAGER WHO HAS EVER LIVED has to his or her parents at one time or another. So it's entirely possible the human-form Cylons will come to embrace humanity, rather than reject it... Humanity embracing THEM will be the hard part, based on the way the characters are currently written, with even the soft-spoken Laura Roslin inclined to commit Genocide against the Cylons.

As Alice said in Wonderland, "Things just get curioser and curioser."
Jeff

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BTW, Peter, THANKS SO MUCH for mentioning Dean Stockwell by name so I could get OVER that brain fart, lol... I remember he was sort of a "hunk" actor back before I was old enough to know what that was, then went through a good many years when he was like "Dean WHO???" My dad worked for a company during that time that had him regularly fly out to Dallas, and he said he saw him flying coach, one time, doing his best to disguise who he was and not looking very well, at all... I DON'T keep up with the personal lives of stars much at all, but he could have been one of the many who peaks, then gets self-destructive with drugs and/or alcohol when the career falters... Whatever the case, an excellent actor, I've been glad to see him back for a good many years now, not only as a regular here and on Quantum Leap (which I thought was too silly to watch), but also in a number of guest roles on shows like "The Outer Limits" and in a variety of movie roles...
Jeff

You are welcome. Actually, Dean Stockwell started out in Hollywood as a child actor (I guess the Kurt Russell of his day). Check out The Boy With Green Hair [1948] or The Happy Years [1950] to see that even then he had great acting skills.

I would love it if Cally was a Cylon. I'd love to see her thrown out an airlock. My least favorite character on the show.

But I don't think she is. No real reason, just never occurred to me she would be. I've wondered about Dee, though. They found her alive in one of the rooms the Cylons ransacked on Galactica in the Valley of Darkness episode. Kinda made me wonder if she was one of them.

Starbuck is probably not a Cylon. Why would the Cylons be trying to harvest her ovaries for reproductive experiments if she was a Cylon? Even if she was a "secret" Cylon they didn't know about, I would think after doing medical exams on her, they'd be able to tell. But maybe not. That incident always made me assume she was human.

Personally, storywise, I think it's time for Cylons and Humans to not only call a truce but to form a single society and begin living together in peace and cooperation and maybe even interbreeding (although maybe that will be banned and done only secretly)... and THEN the conflict can rage on with splinter groups of radical underground elements who oppose the "new world order" on both sides -- perhaps some working together, some fighting each other... Can't ya see Kara Thrace as a faithful Captain by day/terrorist by night???I personally couldn't accept that Matrix-like ending. However, it could be interesting if they lead us into that direction, then throw in a surprise-punch at series' end. Roslin should nuke 'em all, IMO....'once an evil mutant, always an evil mutant' (not her quote).

Ya stole one of my thoughts before I got my brain organized enough to express it... I MEANT to mention "the Dee factor" back when I was discussing the other possible Cylons, as she's another one I've suspected for a LONG time...

Now I have to tell you folks, while I BELIEVE I've seen every single episode, and a good many more than once, some of this stuff you mention (like the Cylons ransacking rooms on Galactica and them then finding Dee alive in one of those rooms), I just PLAIN don't remember, so maybe I've missed an epi or two along the way...

HOWEVER, Mr. Moore has done probably MORE foreshadowing and HINTING with Dee than any other character on the show... Think back: just HOW MANY TIMES prior to her becoming Mrs. Lee Adama did we see something going on with some of the central characters only to have the camera pan around and she's standing around the corner, spying on them??? I can't recall the number of times THE CAMERA WORK showed her either spying or some sort of closeup of her as a reaction shot that suggested she was UP TO SOMETHING...

However, I've seen essentially none of that sort of camera work or behavior this season. That doesn't lead me to believe, necessarily, that they were just leading us down a blind path; rather, perhaps that they've taken attention OFF Dee for the time being so we'll forget about all the foreshadowing they did the first couple of seasons until they suddenly SPRING it on us in the second half of this season, or maybe the next, if she DOES turn out to be a Cylon (and I'm still not saying she is, but she certainly looks like a very good candidate).

Isn't this FUN, though??? All this guessing and what-iffing about this silly freakin' show?

And just think, I' haven't EVEN visited the "Lost" forum in MONTHS (and this isn't a forum, just a single thread at AVS, and frankly enough to satiate me on BSG, I think, lol)... But if I get bored with this, I may go get "Losterated," lol.

Happy Holidays!
Jeff

I've felt that Dee might be a Cylon sleeper for a long time, and she's really the only probable choice for one (Starbuck? C'mon, get real). But, now, it appears that Moore may have something else in mind for those "missing 5", something more disturbing, more profound for the Cylons. We shall see...

Sorry Jeff! Ha! Yeah, check out Valley of Darkness - it's the episode where Galactica gets boarded by Cylons (beginning of Season Two when Adama was out of commission and Tigh was in charge).

The other thing I noticed about Dee - she was all about encouraging Apollo to stay with the fleet and go find Earth in Exodus Pt II. You could interpret that as just supporting Adama's "final" orders, but you could also believe she wanted Galactica to be destroyed. Mwa ha ha.

Oh well, it's just a thought. To be honest, I've not really thought any of the main cast were Cylons for a while now. Dee was just always a possibility in the back of my head.

Aftger rewatching the UHD broadcast of Downloaded I am now firmly convinced that Baltar is indeed a Cylon. Just watch the scene in which his house is nuked. Baltar kneels in front of 6 as the blast comes through the house. Six dies and is downloaded. Are we to believe that Baltar was protected from the blast that killed Six by hiding behind her long legs? He was pretty much uninjured when next seen. The other cylons were rather vague on the questions Six asked about Baltar as she emerged from the resurrection bath. Gotta be a cylon.

I really doubt Baltar is a Cylon. If he is, I'll be very very disappointed. It's been so debated, so telegraphed I can't really see the writers actually going through with it. It would no longer be a surprise if he was. Besides, Baltar wants to be a Cylon, so he can't be. Heh heh.

As far as his surviving the nuclear blast goes, that's no worse than Jammer surviving the suicide bomb when he was standing 6 ft behind Duck. Baltar ducked and missed the flying glass and majority of the shockwave from the distant bomb blast. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.

Baltar ducked and missed the flying glass and majority of the shockwave from the distant bomb blast. I don't think there's anything more to it than that.Plus, Six shielded him (which destroyed her body in the process). I'm still not sure how she got into his mind, though. I could see her being downloaded into him if he was a machine; perhaps he's an hybrid of some sort...

Now that Lee and Kara are “having at it” on the side and it sure seems like Dee knows about it- and is really pissed…. How much would we all like to see a Starbuck/Dee catfight!!! I mean cloths being ripped up, sweat everywhere, and then finally Athena/Boomer comes in- tries to break it up with a waterhose and soaks all three of them all down and now she joins in the fray……
Damn!! I’m going to my bunk now…….. :D :D :D :D :D

i think i'm more a 'pillow-fight' type, but that's just me. Besides, the extra ink on Katee Sachoff (sp?) is starting to get a bit much IMO. (at least i think the tatoos aren't just for the show).

On another note, I was always thinking that Baltar was a cylon... perhaps the 'number one' model, that was intended to be a sleeper agent with certain programming/intelligence but not the capacity to 'wake' or become aware. Would explain his intellect and ensure that number six would be effective in manipulating him as a plant in the DOD. Would also explain his epiphany in pointing out the precise spot to bomb the cylon shipyard (season 1) and number six's non-pregnancy status...

On another note, I was always thinking that Baltar was a cylon... perhaps the 'number one' model, that was intended to be a sleeper agent with certain programming/intelligence but not the capacity to 'wake' or become aware. Would explain his intellect and ensure that number six would be effective in manipulating him as a plant in the DOD. Would also explain his epiphany in pointing out the precise spot to bomb the cylon shipyard (season 1) and number six's non-pregnancy status...

I can't buy Baltar as a sleeper Cylon, but that does seem to be a popular theory. Here's why: Remember, Baltar basically engineered the whole Colonial defense system, or was at least integral to its development. A human certainly would have been the one to develop a human defense system - otherwise, why bother? Just sabotage it from within. He was compromised by a Cylon agent, Number Six, in the same age-old way people in power have always been compromised. The KGB (Remember them? Ah, those were the days...) supposedly excelled in that sort of stuff. (Perhaps that's why so many spies hated to come in from the cold.;)) He's certainly been shown to be vulnerable to most every human vice there is, right?

Besides, if he's a Cylon sleeper, than everything else that's integral to his storyline falls apart, in my opinion. It's his very humanity, with all its attendant vanity, fear, and ambition that propels his plotline. Kind of the same as that classic sci-fi-noir film 'Blade Runner' - if Deckard's a Replicant, it all falls apart because the whole premise of juxtaposing his humanity with the synthetic version of it personified by the Replicants, is lost. Now, let's please not get into a discussion about that (there's usually one going on at any given time in the DVD software forum; knock yourself out), but this whole "Baltar is a Cylon!" nonsense has got to stop. Oh, the humanity!

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hope you're right archieguy... my point wasn't that Baltar would know anything about his origin (and hence the posibility for every human flaw), and was placed on Caprica simply because cylons correctly assumed that a person of superior intellect would eventually rise to some level of prominence that could later be exploited... and perhaps he and the #6's were engineered to be drawn to one another (hence her 'love' for him).

if it's too far a reach, then i'm glad because I prefer to get my money's worth in the form of unforseen surprises.

They're made so even they don't know who's a sleeper.

Kind of the same as that classic sci-fi-noir film 'Blade Runner' - if Deckard's a Replicant, it all falls apart because the whole premise of juxtaposing his humanity with the synthetic version of it personified by the Replicants, is lost. Now, let's please not get into a discussion about that (there's usually one going on at any given time in the DVD software forum; knock yourself out), but this whole "Baltar is a Cylon!" nonsense has got to stop. Oh, the humanity!

;)

Cough 'Director said he was' Cough

and NOT to get too far into that Blade Runner debate (GREAT MOVIE), but I don't care WHAT the director said, I don't believe Harry Ford's character was a Cylon, either... Besides, what DOES the director know? I saw the "director's cut" a year or two back and HATED IT... The original theatrical release was MUCH better... If the director thought the HF voiceovers detracted from the movie, he REALLY needs to change his medication... to me, that was half of what MADE the movie -- particularly the "noir" aspect of it... I was all the way through the "director's cut," wondering what it was I so disliked about it, before I saw the "after commentary" about the removal of the voiceovers (and a few other changes) and realized THAT was what I was missing.

Oh well, so much for differing tastes... sometimes we get really lucky when studio execs overrule a director, I guess.

As for Caprica Six and Gaius Baltar, FINALLY discovering in the "Downloaded" episode that she had the EXACT SAME thing happen to HER MIND after the blast he had happen to HIS (i.e., a nagging, sometimes insulting and sarcastic; sometimes loving and encouraging "imaginary Gaius" inside her head) was a REAL eye-opener because it showed the two of them really DID/DO have a very strong link (but just that particular "Six" and Gaius). Of course Gaius, not realizing that and being obsessed and haunted by on Gallactica went kinda bonkers when he discovered other "models" in the fleet -- first accused of treason by one when he quit doing what his "inner Six" wanted of him -- then finding a "presumably different one" on Cloud Nine, who he wanted to love him DESPERATELY, but she knew NOTHING about him nor had any feelings for him...

Somewhere upthread, one of you was counting off Baltar's sins and mentioned him giving a Cylon on Cloud Nine a nuclear bomb out of spite as one of them... Well, he DID give her a nuclear bomb, but I didn't see it as a gesture of spite; he did it as a gesture of trust, trying to win her love, and he kept meeting with her and helping her "resistance movement" with his only requirement being that she make love to him... and I got the impression when she, totally nude and crying, finally set that bomb off, she did it as an act of suicide because she couldn't stand being Baltar's "fill-in" for the Six he WANTED her to be any more.

I don't think he EVER expected her to detonate that bomb. He gave it to her because he trusted her and wanted her to trust him.

Talk about "a fool for love," lol. Funny thing is, now that he's with THE SIX, the one who really does, or at least DID love him, he seems to be abandoning her for "other pursuits." I always heard there was a thin line between genious and insanity, also... thinking he's crossed it so many times he never knows which side he's on. :D
Jeff

Man, am I late to this party. My wife and I finally caught up last night, and watched Eye of Jupiter (we started watching from the miniseries about three months ago, and have been variously renting the dvds and tivo'ing the epis.

Anyway, something that has never been really clear to me--is it possible that the cylon models are genetically engineered from people that are actually living/lived? It seems apparent that cylons are so closely related to humans that a simple tests can't show a difference, so where did the cylons get their genetic material from? Could it be that certain people may be mistook for a cylon because they look like one of the models, but actually be human? I think this would be a great twist for Baltar--he finds out one of the missing five looks like him, which makes him think he is a cylon, which validates his existence, but then finds out, in a great twist, that he is actually a human--one of the progenitors for a cylon model.

And why don't the 7 models know what the other 5 look like? Should't that info be in a cylon database somewhere?

Also, can we get back to the discussion of the "fives" in the temple? It seems too much of a coincidence that the cylons have 5 missing models, and the temple has the number "5" all over it.

From the looks of things (according to what I saw posted at galacticastation.com):

1) Season 4 looks like it WILL occur, just waiting for Sci Fi to make the official announcement.
2) The spinoff/prequel "Caprica" may not show up until 2008, if it does at all.

From the looks of things (according to what I saw posted at galacticastation.com):


2) The spinoff/prequel "Caprica" may not show up until 2008, if it does at all.


I for one am hoping it doesn't...not a big fan of prequels. Phantom Menace anyone?

Man, am I late to this party. My wife and I finally caught up last night, and watched Eye of Jupiter (we started watching from the miniseries about three months ago, and have been variously renting the dvds and tivo'ing the epis.

Anyway, something that has never been really clear to me--is it possible that the cylon models are genetically engineered from people that are actually living/lived? It seems apparent that cylons are so closely related to humans that a simple tests can't show a difference, so where did the cylons get their genetic material from? Could it be that certain people may be mistook for a cylon because they look like one of the models, but actually be human? I think this would be a great twist for Baltar--he finds out one of the missing five looks like him, which makes him think he is a cylon, which validates his existence, but then finds out, in a great twist, that he is actually a human--one of the progenitors for a cylon model.

And why don't the 7 models know what the other 5 look like? Should't that info be in a cylon database somewhere?

Also, can we get back to the discussion of the "fives" in the temple? It seems too much of a coincidence that the cylons have 5 missing models, and the temple has the number "5" all over it.

This is just a guess, but think about this:

12 colonies, 12 Lords of Kobol, 12 Cylon models. Coincidence? Probably not.

I think your right on about the genetic sampling. The Cylons are really clones, but where did the samples come from? I'm just guessing, but I'd say we are going to find out that they came from the Lords of Kobol.

The Cylons must have found the tombs of some of the original Lords sometime in the past after the last major Cylon/Colonial war. They used the genetic information & technology they found to make the Cylon models we see now.

It would explain a lot: How did the Cylons advance from cybernetic droids to full on flesh and blood clones in 50 years (i.e. the time since the last war)? Where did the resurrection technology come from? How did the Cylons invent it soo quickly? Why do the Cylons believe that the twelve Lords of Kobol are false Gods? Maybe they have hard evidence? Were the Lords of Kobol just advanced humans that used resurrection technology to appear imortal to the primitive tribes of the twelve colonies? If so, where did they come from? Is this related to the "cycle repeats again and again" in the religon of the twelve colonies?

Anyway, I'm guessing we will see the last five Lords of Kobol revealed in the up coming episode.

I for one am hoping it doesn't...not a big fan of prequels. Phantom Menace anyone?

Moore > Lucas


by a lot

Moore > Lucas


by a lot

Right now, yes. But regardless, prequels don't excite me, as I already know how it 'ends'. Was there ONE shocking moment in SW Eps I-III?

Watching the Cylons and Humans fight their first war might be fun from an action standpoint. They can have massive, weekly battles that aren't hamstrung by plot constraints.

In contrast, the Galactica can't lose or be destroyed, or it's all over. Not much drama in that, although they still seem to do a great job keeping us on the edge of our seats.

But still, I don't see myself getting too excited about this show, if it happens. Of course I'll WATCH and give it a shot, but I would prefer to see the producers keep their focus on BSG and not dilute the product.

My 2 cents.

and so it is with you, Steve!

Not that your thoughts aren't some the rest of us hadn't likely "floated." (I know I had.) But you expressed them so well... and it was time for some fresh input... and some (like me), had already put SO MANY theories into "the pot" it was about time for someone else to contribute...

This idea about the human-form Cylons actually being clones of the "Lords of Cobol," however, is maybe the best I've read, yet, and NOT something I imagined... definitely an explanation for why they'd not believe in the human, polygamist gods, but in just ONE God, if they DID discover the Lords of Kobol WERE, in fact, just advanced humans who had discovered the secrets of cloning and so forth...

Gosh, with all these exciting possibilities, I just can't WAIT to see if any of them come to fruition on the series... Certainly hope we aren't disappointed!
Jeff

I agree, good theory Mr. Tucker.

and so it is with you, Steve!

Not that your thoughts aren't some the rest of us hadn't likely "floated." (I know I had.) But you expressed them so well... and it was time for some fresh input... and some (like me), had already put SO MANY theories into "the pot" it was about time for someone else to contribute...

This idea about the human-form Cylons actually being clones of the "Lords of Cobol," however, is maybe the best I've read, yet, and NOT something I imagined... definitely an explanation for why they'd not believe in the human, polygamist gods, but in just ONE God, if they DID discover the Lords of Kobol WERE, in fact, just advanced humans who had discovered the secrets of cloning and so forth...

Gosh, with all these exciting possibilities, I just can't WAIT to see if any of them come to fruition on the series... Certainly hope we aren't disappointed!
Jeff

Well, if that theory is true (and personally, I like it), then we could reverse everything. "Earth" isn't the lost colony, but rather the point of origin. Man spread out from there and eventually settled on Kobol. From there, they formed the colonies many yarins ago. Eventually the history got corrupted and Earth was forgotten to be the homeworld, but rather thought to be a 13th lost colony.

Variation 1: Earth was on the verge of destruction, and an "ark" containing 12 people was sent out to preserve humanity. These were the 12 settlers who eventually landed on Kobol, eventually becoming known as the "Lords of Kobol". They constructed the temple with an accurate star chart to remind them how to get home one day.

Well, if that theory is true (and personally, I like it), then we could reverse everything. "Earth" isn't the lost colony, but rather the point of origin. Man spread out from there and eventually settled on Kobol. From there, they formed the colonies many yarins ago. Eventually the history got corrupted and Earth was forgotten to be the homeworld, but rather thought to be a 13th lost colony.

Variation 1: Earth was on the verge of destruction, and an "ark" containing 12 people was sent out to preserve humanity. These were the 12 settlers who eventually landed on Kobol, eventually becoming known as the "Lords of Kobol". They constructed the temple with an accurate star chart to remind them how to get home one day.

That would make a lot of sense. I mean, think about it. The story goes (IIRC) that the 13th Colony leaves Kobol and goes out to find earth, and finds it, but nobody knows for sure--it's just a myth. But then someone from the 13th colony would have to come back and lay down maps and markers pointing the way so others can find it? Seems to make a lot more sense that a ship retreating from earth would lay down markers to get back to earth someday.

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.

Of course, we can probably just ignore this series and pretend it didn't happen...

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.

Of course, we can probably just ignore this series and pretend it didn't happen...

I seem to remember someone asking Ron Moore something similar to this after the mini-series/first session. He made the rather cryptic comment that his Galatica "universe" wasn't in the same "universe" as our Earth.

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.

Of course, we can probably just ignore this series and pretend it didn't happen...

The new BSG already doesn't jibe with any of the old BSG. It's similar in many respects, but it's not meant to be a continuation of the old story, but a reimagining. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it.

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.

Of course, we can probably just ignore this series and pretend it didn't happen...

I used to watch Galactica 1980 and I still pretend it didn't exist.

But seriously, Steve's observations make a lot of sense in terms of continuity.

How would the members of a fleeing 13th colony know to construct a star chart in the temple showing the position of the constellations as seen from Earth?

They would have had to reach Earth, observe the stars, then come all the way back to the temple to create the map. It isn't impossible, just curious. I suppose an argument could be made that they were leaving a breadcrumb trail for the other 12 colonies who left Kobol.

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.

Of course, we can probably just ignore this series and pretend it didn't happen...

One question about Galactica 1980--I assume it was originally intended to be an origin story for people on earth. But if that was the case, then did they ever explain what happened to the technology the 13th colony would have brought with them? It seems a little weird that 4000 years ago (or whatever), the remnants of the 13th colony arrive on Earth on a spaceship, and immediately "invent" primitive technology such as the Cuneiform lettering system, bronze tools, and the wheel.

I used to watch Galactica 1980 and I still pretend it didn't exist.

But seriously, Steve's observations make a lot of sense in terms of continuity.

How would the members of a fleeing 13th colony know to construct a star chart in the temple showing the position of the constellations as seen from Earth?

They would have had to reach Earth, observe the stars, then come all the way back to the temple to create the map. It isn't impossible, just curious. I suppose an argument could be made that they were leaving a breadcrumb trail for the other 12 colonies who left Kobol.

One other thought about the constellations--they were all related to the 12 colonies--Aries, Caprica, Sagitarrius, etc. I suppose, since constellations are pretty abstract figures, they could have fit their already conceived "gods" in the heavens of earth when they arrived. But the other theory makes a little more sense to me, and fits. The gods and constellations originated on earth, and the fleeing colonists brought them with when they left earth.

Just a heads up, season 3 starts on UHD on Sat Jan 27. On the three Saturdays leading up to that they'll show Miniseries parts 1 & 2 and The Story So Far.

Also, UK season 3 premiere on Sky One Jan 9.

One other thought about the constellations--they were all related to the 12 colonies--Aries, Caprica, Sagitarrius, etc. I suppose, since constellations are pretty abstract figures, they could have fit their already conceived "gods" in the heavens of earth when they arrived. But the other theory makes a little more sense to me, and fits. The gods and constellations originated on earth, and the fleeing colonists brought them with when they left earth.

I agree, and it explains another problem with Colonial mythology. I.e. if the 13th tribe was on Kobol with the other twelve, and the other twelve were "ruled" over by a Lord of Kobol respectively, why no Lord of Kobol for the 13th tribe???? We have never heard mention of one. That is a very big hole.

If on the other hand as you guys have said the 13th tribe "arrived" instead of departed then that would explain it. The 13th tribe arrived on Kobol from Earth, probably with the twelve Lords, and then fractured into twelve tribes (maybe)...

If I remember rightly (and someone with the DVDs of the original series feel free to correct),
in Galactica 1980 Earth was our contemporary Earth as was previously stated.

I don't recall if it was ever explained how a 13th tribe of humans with advanced technology reached Earth at some point in the past, then managed to "de-evolve".

The voice over of the original BSG had Patrick McNee saying something about, "There are those who believe that life here began out there..." The shape of the colonial helmets worn by the viper pilots looked a little Egyptian. Some of their names were Greek-like. I guess the assumption was that the members of the 13th tribe were the origin for the stories of the Egyptian and Greek gods.

And then "something" happened and the technology was lost. I had assumed that the 13th tribe had access to a Battlestar class ship, but maybe not.

Actually, I don't even think the Cylons were created by man in the original series....they were some other race, like an insect or something.

So, as was stated, I don't think that the current series really has to follow any "canon" from either BSG TOS or "cough" BSG 1980. All I know is they need to keep doing what they are doing!

I just LOVE your quote from "WKRP in Cincinatti!" That had to be the funniest episode ever!!!

Second, as I've mentioned before, I haven't even bothered to check out any of the doubtless dozens of entire BSG forums, but just in this one THREAD we're coming up with REAMS of great story ideas... Makes me wonder if Mr. Moore doesn't have his researchers scour the internet for ongoing story ideas... Heck, he may have no idea where he's going with the story from one season to the next until his research team reads forums and threads like this one and sees what kinds of ideas others might have come up with he didn't even imagine.

Just think about it, WE might be helping develop the series and not even know it!

So if some of our ideas end up onscreen, how will we know if we guessed right, or inspired it? I guess we won't. So we'll just have to enjoy it, huh?
Jeff

A couple points to add.

since this "has all happened before and will happen again" Is it safe to guess that the 13th tribe may have gone back and forth between kobol and earth? And the 13th tribe is actually the refugees of past and future catastrophes?

Weren't there 12 tribe of israel? and one 'lost tribe?

I just LOVE your quote from "WKRP in Cincinatti!" That had to be the funniest episode ever!!!

I keep hoping one day they will actually release it on DVD with the original music intact.

Second, as I've mentioned before, I haven't even bothered to check out any of the doubtless dozens of entire BSG forums, but just in this one THREAD we're coming up with REAMS of great story ideas... Makes me wonder if Mr. Moore doesn't have his researchers scour the internet for ongoing story ideas... Heck, he may have no idea where he's going with the story from one season to the next until his research team reads forums and threads like this one and sees what kinds of ideas others might have come up with he didn't even imagine.

Just think about it, WE might be helping develop the series and not even know it!

So if some of our ideas end up onscreen, how will we know if we guessed right, or inspired it? I guess we won't. So we'll just have to enjoy it, huh?
Jeff
I doubt the writers need our help, but they are welcome to any ideas!!!


So say we all.

since this "has all happened before and will happen again" Is it safe to guess that the 13th tribe may have gone back and forth between kobol and earth? And the 13th tribe is actually the refugees of past and future catastrophes?

I still don't have my head around that one. The cylons have mentioned that more than once, but without any explanation.

Weren't there 12 tribe of israel? and one 'lost tribe?

Some people believe so.

some of us believe that anything we can imagine ALREADY exists, and the the actual WORD imagine is a literalism, meaning that we are BRINGING INTO our conscious minds IMAGES of things that already exist in some dimension, somewhere, sometime, therefore "image-in."

Some will say that's "heavy." Most will probably say that's just so much BS. I really don't care because there's really no way to prove it IS or ISN'T the truth, so it always makes for great conversation... And I think the possible (storywise, at least) link between the 12 tribes of Israel and their lost tribe and the 12 Lords of Kobol and the one lost Lord could be a good possibility, as well.

There are quotes floating around in my head, and I never CAN remember where they all come from... One I believe is attributed to Thomas Edison goes something like this: "We don't know one millionth of one percent of ANYTHING," to which I heartily agree...

And then there's "everything old is new again," which seems so repeatedly true it proves itself.

And "there's nothing new under the sun," which leads me back to my comment about the word "imagine."

Again, who knows? But it all makes for great conversation.
Jeff

Actually, I don't even think the Cylons were created by man in the original series....they were some other race, like an insect or something.


I thought man intervened in a war the Cylons were having with another race and that was the cause of their long war. 1000 years? I think I heard Adama (Lorne Greene) say that or maybe I read it somewhere. Or maybe I am thinking of a different show. It has been a while since I have watched the original. I have the dvd so maybe it is time to rewatch and see if there is an explanation. I do know they never did do much of a back story on either the Cylons, historical events, or the main characters. They basically wanted each episode to wrap up by the end of the hour. I don't even remember if the referenced any of the previous episodes in future ones.

I thought man intervened in a war the Cylons were having with another race and that was the cause of their long war. 1000 years? I think I heard Adama (Lorne Greene) say that or maybe I read it somewhere. Or maybe I am thinking of a different show. It has been a while since I have watched the original. I have the dvd so maybe it is time to rewatch and see if there is an explanation. I do know they never did do much of a back story on either the Cylons, historical events, or the main characters. They basically wanted each episode to wrap up by the end of the hour. I don't even remember if the referenced any of the previous episodes in future ones.

It's been so many years since I've seen TOS that I will defer to anyone who has a more recent viewing. :)

Second, as I've mentioned before, I haven't even bothered to check out any of the doubtless dozens of entire BSG forums, but just in this one THREAD we're coming up with REAMS of great story ideas... Makes me wonder if Mr. Moore doesn't have his researchers scour the internet for ongoing story ideas... Heck, he may have no idea where he's going with the story from one season to the next until his research team reads forums and threads like this one and sees what kinds of ideas others might have come up with he didn't even imagine.

Just think about it, WE might be helping develop the series and not even know it!

So if some of our ideas end up onscreen, how will we know if we guessed right, or inspired it? I guess we won't. So we'll just have to enjoy it, huh?
JeffThat seems to have happened over in the Lost thread (Hi-Definition).

I just LOVE your quote from "WKRP in Cincinatti!" That had to be the funniest episode ever!!!

Second, as I've mentioned before, I haven't even bothered to check out any of the doubtless dozens of entire BSG forums, but just in this one THREAD we're coming up with REAMS of great story ideas... Makes me wonder if Mr. Moore doesn't have his researchers scour the internet for ongoing story ideas... Heck, he may have no idea where he's going with the story from one season to the next until his research team reads forums and threads like this one and sees what kinds of ideas others might have come up with he didn't even imagine.

Just think about it, WE might be helping develop the series and not even know it!

So if some of our ideas end up onscreen, how will we know if we guessed right, or inspired it? I guess we won't. So we'll just have to enjoy it, huh?
Jeff

Way too much gets made of this, I would guess the opposite would be more likely to be true. If the producers saw an idea being floated over the net, they'd avoid it or go in another direction in order to seem unpredicatable.

I've seen people on forums for nearly every popular or cult show make similar remarks. Buffy, STNG, Alias, LOST etc.

HOWEVER, with so many fans posting so many theories and ideas, it would probably be IMPOSSIBLE to find a "direction" that doesn't include SOMETHING, SOMEBODY suggested or imagined, whether that was already the planned storyline or not.

Also, some shows accept free-lance scripts (I've not yet inquired into this field, so I don't know which), but I do know that on occassion a fan of a show ends up writing one or more scripts for episodes of that show, although he or she would probably have to get an agent and have them submit the script to get past the slush pile unless they were incredibly well-connected.

Anyway, we have only a couple more weeks to see what happens next...

I can't wait!
Jeff

Not to stray too far off course, but I could have sworn that I once read that in TOS, the Cylons were actually a Reptile race at war with a humanoid inhabited planet... and the 'galactica' humans intervened, leading to an ongoing war of many many years.

So the Cylons were supposed to be lizard-like under the chrome suits.. at least originally, and then possibly later they may have wanted to distance themselves from it (although never actually expressing anything to the contrary)...

oh... and Jeff, the last time i've heard of a show with an open policy toward script submission was Star Trek:TNG. Can't say I've heard of any shows since, but Ron Moore was working on TNG around that time, so there's no telling how much influence internet chatter has on storylines

I thought the reptilian race known as the Cylons created the robot Cylons. The reptilians died out and the robots just became known as Cylons.

Your both correct about the original series Cylons.

Now that I have Universal HD, I just watched the first part of the BSG feature film that was the pilot for the series and I think I found a major OOPS...

Remember the scene in Caprica City in which Gaius and Caprica 6 were walking together near the Riverwalk area? This is just prior to the bombing - Gaius is off to a "business" appointment (i.e., went home to frak another luscious young thing). It's the place where Laura says she saw (in her own dying days) the two of them together.

Problem is, (supposedly at the same time), Laura's on Colonial Heavy Cruiser 798 (the ship to be known later as Colonial One) on her way to the Galactica decommissioning ceremony. A ship destined to never return to Caprica.

How could she have seen Gaius and Six together when she was on board that ship? I doubt the facilities were near each other.

Is it a timing issue, or did I miss something along the way? Did Laura remember an earlier meeting of the two? Was the cancer causing her to have delusions? Or was whatever Kamala extract left in her system causing her to have another vision?

Now that I have Universal HD, I just watched the first part of the BSG feature film that was the pilot for the series and I think I found a major OOPS...

Remember the scene in Caprica City in which Gaius and Caprica 6 were walking together near the Riverwalk area? This is just prior to the bombing - Gaius is off to a "business" appointment (i.e., went home to frak another luscious young thing). It's the place where Laura says she saw (in her own dying days) the two of them together.

Problem is, (supposedly at the same time), Laura's on Colonial Heavy Cruiser 798 (the ship to be known later as Colonial One) on her way to the Galactica decommissioning ceremony. A ship destined to never return to Caprica.

How could she have seen Gaius and Six together when she was on board that ship? I doubt the facilities were near each other.

Is it a timing issue, or did I miss something along the way? Did Laura remember an earlier meeting of the two? Was the cancer causing her to have delusions? Or was whatever Kamala extract left in her system causing her to have another vision?

Wrong period of time, Laura saw them durring the school teacher strike event.

Laura was in Caprica City at the Doctor's Office about her Breast Cancer, before she took off for Galactica's decom ceremony.

This idea about the human-form Cylons actually being clones of the "Lords of Cobol," however, is maybe the best I've read, yet, and NOT something I imagined... definitely an explanation for why they'd not believe in the human, polygamist gods, but in just ONE God, if they DID discover the Lords of Kobol WERE, in fact, just advanced humans who had discovered the secrets of cloning and so forth...


I have been toying with the possibility that the people on Earth are more the descendants of Cylons, than descendants of Cobol.

The Cylons belief that there is only one true God, add in the resurrection angle, seem mighty familiar. :D

However, this theory wouldn't jibe with TOS spinoff "Galactica 1980", where they did find Earth, but found it to be (then) present day with present day 1980s technology. Man hadn't travelled farther than the moon yet.


In 1980, the Earthling's (NASA) space technology consisted of a grounded US Space Shuttle.

In 2005, the Earthling's (NASA) space technology consisted of a grounded US Space Shuttle.

Some things don't change. :D

The new BSG already doesn't jibe with any of the old BSG. It's similar in many respects, but it's not meant to be a continuation of the old story, but a reimagining. Therefore, they can do whatever they want with it.

In re-watching the beginning of the 1st session on UHD, it seems to me that new BSG series occurs 30 years after the first BSG series, in Cobol time. Time has passed in several regards, except that, at least by name, several of the key characters are still around and haven't age the same 30 years. In the new BSG, refer back to the Galactica's participation in the previous war, and that back in that war, the Cylons were only the old original robot models and the Cobol humans fought with the Mark II "Viper" fighters. I mean, in the new BSG, the Mark II "Vipers" came out of the on-board museum.

Wrong period of time, Laura saw them durring the school teacher strike event.

Laura was in Caprica City at the Doctor's Office about her Breast Cancer, before she took off for Galactica's decom ceremony.

I just re-watched that episode, and I was correct, she saw Baltar and Caprica 6 kissing and what all, right when she finished telling the guy to call off the strike and the attacks.

Episode 2x13 at time section 34:50

I also rewatched the mini-series the other day and something from there also caught my eye. And I don't mean that Chief Tyrol has gained a lot of weight.

Toward the end of the first part, Adama decides to head to Ragnar Anchorage to refit and rearm. But Ty tells him he's crazy to try an FTL jump, err Hyperlight Jump in Adamas words.That hadn't been done 20-22 years he says and he'd be crazy to try. I didn't quite understand what the concern was. Was it just that Galactica hadn't used its FTL drives and nav computers in 20 years, which I find hard to accept, or that nobody uses them? And then I thought about things like why didn't the raptor jump after the ambush and why didn't colonial heavy jump back to Caprica instead of a 5 hour flight. If FTL is very dangerous, complicated, and thus rare I can buy that but in the rest of the series they are FTLing all over the place without any thought whatsoever. What gives?

In re-watching the beginning of the 1st session on UHD, it seems to me that new BSG series occurs 30 years after the first BSG series, in Cobol time. Time has passed in several regards, except that, at least by name, several of the key characters are still around and haven't age the same 30 years. In the new BSG, refer back to the Galactica's participation in the previous war, and that back in that war, the Cylons were only the old original robot models and the Cobol humans fought with the Mark II "Viper" fighters. I mean, in the new BSG, the Mark II "Vipers" came out of the on-board museum.

Yeah, that kind of confused me at first, as well. But I liken it to merely introducing some things and concepts from the original show, and fitting them into the new story line, as opposed to the new story line being an extension of the original story line. More like easter eggs for the original fans.

Way too much gets made of this, I would guess the opposite would be more likely to be true. If the producers saw an idea being floated over the net, they'd avoid it or go in another direction in order to seem unpredicatable.

I've seen people on forums for nearly every popular or cult show make similar remarks. Buffy, STNG, Alias, LOST etc.I dunno....when some sharp poster in the Lost thread brought up the issue about the laundry appliances, the producers seemed to directly address the concern. Or maybe it was coincidence....or fate....?

I have been toying with the possibility that the people on Earth are more the descendants of Cylons, than descendants of Cobol.

The Cylons belief that there is only one true God, add in the resurrection angle, seem mighty familiar. :D

Wow, that does sound familiar! :D

Since we do not know the timeframe for the series, I was wondering how the series will end. How about:

They find Earth, and the people living here today (meaning "us") are either:

1. Human-Cylon hybrids or
2. Cylon decendants (who have learned to procreate).
(See Post #1959)

I dunno....when some sharp poster in the Lost thread brought up the issue about the laundry appliances, the producers seemed to directly address the concern. Or maybe it was coincidence....or fate....?

Our LOST thread is tiny compared to the dozens of other threads out there...EW.com's reviewer and eonline also made the observation that the laundry machine was an anachronism compared to the rest of the equipment there. And the producers didn't really address it at all (no explanation), they simply acknowledged it by having one of the characters mention it (Libby I think).

It's far more likely that the anachronism was intentional, a clue that the Others have contact with the outside world still.

Anyway, back on topic...which thread is this anyway? :-)

Man, am I late to this party. My wife and I finally caught up last night, and watched Eye of Jupiter (we started watching from the miniseries about three months ago, and have been variously renting the dvds and tivo'ing the epis.

Anyway, something that has never been really clear to me--is it possible that the cylon models are genetically engineered from people that are actually living/lived? It seems apparent that cylons are so closely related to humans that a simple tests can't show a difference, so where did the cylons get their genetic material from? Could it be that certain people may be mistook for a cylon because they look like one of the models, but actually be human? I think this would be a great twist for Baltar--he finds out one of the missing five looks like him, which makes him think he is a cylon, which validates his existence, but then finds out, in a great twist, that he is actually a human--one of the progenitors for a cylon model.

And why don't the 7 models know what the other 5 look like? Should't that info be in a cylon database somewhere?

Also, can we get back to the discussion of the "fives" in the temple? It seems too much of a coincidence that the cylons have 5 missing models, and the temple has the number "5" all over it.

I'm fairly certain that the Cylons are taken from the same genetic pool as the original Lords of Kobol. It would explain why they were susceptible to the virus in Season 3 too.

I'm fairly certain that the Cylons are taken from the same genetic pool as the original Lords of Kobol. It would explain why they were susceptible to the virus in Season 3 too.


Wouldn't a virus be non-selective in who or what it infects? Speaking of the virus, Galactica wouldn't be in this predicament if it wasn't for Benedict Arnold (Helo).

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/01/something_profo.html

Spoilers in this article. Also discusses the BSG movie that will happen between season 3 and 4.

http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2007/01/something_profo.html

Spoilers in this article. Also discusses the BSG movie that will happen between season 3 and 4.

Movie that Could happen if the series is picked up for season 4.

Spoilers??? Since when did "teasers" become spoilers??? (although that's what the Tribune called them, too, so you're not the only one, lol).

I can't say that saying a certain character will finish the season early but they won't say exactly HOW is a spoiler... that's a TEASER to me... whole interview has me frothing about the mouth, lol.

I guess the only real spoiler was the revelation about one character's change of opinion about another, and it'll be interesting to see how THAT comes about.

At any rate, 10 days to go before we get to start watching again... YEAH!

Spoilers??? Since when did "teasers" become spoilers??? (although that's what the Tribune called them, too, so you're not the only one, lol).

I can't say that saying a certain character will finish the season early but they won't say exactly HOW is a spoiler... that's a TEASER to me... whole interview has me frothing about the mouth, lol.

I guess the only real spoiler was the revelation about one character's change of opinion about another, and it'll be interesting to see how THAT comes about.

At any rate, 10 days to go before we get to start watching again... YEAH!

It's been stated about 72,000 times (71,999 by cpanther95) that spoilers are anything that isn't in the actual show or in the previews immediately following the show.

Wouldn't a virus be non-selective in who or what it infects? Speaking of the virus, Galactica wouldn't be in this predicament if it wasn't for Benedict Arnold (Helo).

Doc Cottel (sp?) said that the colonials had developed a natural immunity to the virus after a major out break many yaren ago. If the Cylons are based on the genetic structure of the Lords of Kobol, they wouldn't have the immunity since the Lords of Kobol haven't been around for thousands of yarin (years).

It's been stated about 72,000 times (71,999 by cpanther95) that spoilers are anything that isn't in the actual show or in the previews immediately following the show.

At the risk of quoting someone who's probably said HIS line MORE than 72,000 times... "Well Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!" :p

At the risk of quoting someone who's probably said HIS line MORE than 72,000 times... "Well Excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me!" :p

Nothing personal Jeff :-)

We've just had some 'holy wars' fought over this when info was inadvertently spilled that upset some folks. It can hijack a thread and cause bad blood.

Surprised I haven't seen this mentioned yet.

Anyone else catch the news of Sci-Fi going HD by the end of the year? That means BSG finally in HD on its first run!

I saw the press release, but am waiting until it actually appears before getting my hopes up!

Link por favor? :)

I hope its not UHD!!!!!!!!!!! BETTER BE NBC!!!!!!!!

Anyone else catch the news of Sci-Fi going HD by the end of the year? That means BSG finally in HD on its first run!
Of course, factoring in the speed (or lack thereof) which Comcast has displayed in bringing new HD channels online, the series will probably be over before I have access to a high-def version of Sci-Fi.

Still, I'm glad that we do have UHD so I can watch the BSG prior season re-runs in HD; that scene of Galactica dropping into the atmosphere during the rescue on New Caprica was incredible.

Tony

Link por favor? :)

Here's are a couple:

http://www.engadget.com/2007/01/09/directv-to-carry-100-national-hd-channels-in-2007

http://expertsatellite.supersized.org/archives/110-DIRECTV-to-offer-100-High-Definition-TV-channels-in-2007.html

Interesting links, Peter...

After the FIRST mention about Sci-Fi going Hi-Def last night, I IMMEDIATELY logged onto THEIR website and started searching for any mention of it THERE... could find NOTHING... even did a text-search... So if they have plans, they're keeping it MUM for now.

I hope if Sci-Fi, FX and some of my OTHER favorite cable channels DO go Hi-Def, it's NOT just available over DirecTV, leaving us cable customers in the dust, so to speak!
Jeff

They were showing season 2 on UniversalHD. I wish we had a SciFi HD channel. A History HD channel would be nice too.

Interesting links, Peter...

After the FIRST mention about Sci-Fi going Hi-Def last night, I IMMEDIATELY logged onto THEIR website and started searching for any mention of it THERE... could find NOTHING... even did a text-search... So if they have plans, they're keeping it MUM for now.

I hope if Sci-Fi, FX and some of my OTHER favorite cable channels DO go Hi-Def, it's NOT just available over DirecTV, leaving us cable customers in the dust, so to speak!
Jeff

The other day I actually saw a press release Sci Fi itself confirming what D* is saying...but I can't seem to find the darned thing at the moment. So, I would say at this point we can take it as a given that before the end of this year we will have Sci Fi in HD. :D

Thanks for the links. My googling had turned up nothing :)

Thanks for the links. My googling had turned up nothing :)



Then there is this: Chiller- A new horror HD channel for D*

http://www.variety.com/index.asp?layout=print_story&articleid=VR1117957250&categoryid=14

Here is another link from TV week concerning the Sci Fi HD launch:

http://www.tvweek.com/news.cms?newsId=11336

I will believe it when I see it. If it happens, then I can guess that I will need the new box.

I will believe it when I see it. If it happens, then I can guess that I will need the new box.

I hear ya! Right now it is vaporware, but somehow this actually has a ring of truth to it. D* said that 2007 would be a banner year for HD and as long as nothing goes wrong with the launch of the new birds, I actually believe they will come through.

Another S3 marathon on SciFi today.

From the "TV Week" link above... "The confirmations represent the largest number of networks to commit to HD upgrades all at once. DirecTV's launching of two new satellites in 2007, combined with the satellite service's push for more HD content, has been a tipping point for a host of major networks previously biding their time before taking the plunge to HD.

The moves will dramatically expand the number of HD viewing options for consumers, who have long griped about the scarcity of HD content."

I think the words "tipping point" are the KEY, as it appears from what I've been reading that HD ownership is now approaching a "tipping point" or "critical mass" from a consumer-to-provider perspective, with something like 30-35% of all homes now having at least one HDTV setup, and many having more than one, I believe I read recently, and the theory being that with prices continuing to drop and technology and deals continuing to become more attractive, the thinking is that as many as 50% of all homes will be HD-capable by the end of the year...

Those are the sort of stats that start to put HD-broadcasting the the position of being profitable for more than just a handful of high-end "prestige" channels, or HD versions of pay-cable channels we've aleady paid for, like HBO, Showtime and Cinemax. As it currently stands on MY cable lineup, other than the three pay channels (one of which I don't get, as I don't currently subscribe to Showtime), other than those, plus my local Fox, NBC and CBS affiliate (local ABC affiliate isn't available in HD for unexplained reasons), the ONLY other HD channels offered are Universal, TNT, ETV (which often shows different programming than what's currently playing on the non-HD ETV channel), DiscoveryHD, which also shows a lot of programming unavailable on regular Discovery, plus re-runs of some of the BETTER regular Discovery Channel fare, basic ESPN in HD, HDNET and HDMOV -- and that's IT... like 10 channels... almost not worth having HD, except there's A GREAT DEAL of great programming squeezed into those few channels -- so much so that I find myself spending little time elsewhere (except when there's a show I wanna watch on ABC, Sci-Fi, USA or FX). Give me ABC, Sci-Fi, USA and FX in HD (maybe a few others, but mostly those, in addition to what I already have), and I'd almost NEVER leave the HD "tier," lol.

One thing that has really LET ME DOWN with the Sci-Fi channel is they seem to have actually DECREASED the quality of both the video AND the multi-channel audio on Stargate in the past few seasons, since I finally got a multi-channel surround setup that can appreciate it... I know this only because I occasionally catch a re-run of an older Stargate and REALLY notice the difference. Perhaps they're just not putting the $$$ into it UPN was?

At any rate, my current "sweet deal" with Charter runs out in August, at which time they've already told me my price for phones, TV AND broadband will rocket back up to full price... Assuming they ALSO don't expand their HD lineup and DirecTV DOES about the same time... and assuming the phone company keeps offering these increasingly sweeter deals to go back with them for both telephone and DSL, and make a concurrent sub-contract deal with DirecTV for satellite TV, I may just "go there" next August.

Time will tell.
Jeff

If a fiber-optic provider (verizon) came through with an a la cart pay model, I think they'd make huge headway. most tv plans nowadays are delivering less and less value.

Selectively remove channels (overpriced or underwatched) is the only way to level the field.
(drop ESPN and you save a bundle).

Tricia Helfer.....Playboy February 2007.... :p :p :p :p :D :D :D

Tricia Helfer.....Playboy February 2007.... :p :p :p :p :D :D :D

NOOOOOOO F***ING WAY!?!?!?!

http://lax.war3.com/Girl/triciahelfer-playboy.jpg

WA WA WE WA!!!!!!

Confirms why Baltar is NOT crazy. Just influenced.

Tricia Helfer.....Playboy February 2007.... :p :p :p :p :D :D :D

sneek peek!

http://www.dailyniner.com/triciahelfer1.shtml 18+ YOA only!

sneek peek!

http://www.dailyniner.com/triciahelfer1.shtml

That's no peek. More like the whole 9 yards.

That's no peek. More like the whole 9 yards.

Google is your friend! :D

:) :D :p

Wow! Makes ya wonder (hope) Number 6 is EDIBLE, lol!

Thanks a BUNCH for the link, ragtop... lax!
Jeff

gorgeous....

Makes for a great possible blooper reel item:

They have Tricia (as head 6) and Baltar walking on Galactica, and crewman are carrying copies of that issue of Playboy (which starts out somewhat covertly and winds up rather blatant). Tigh, Adama (even Roslin) are looking at it - and Roslin and Starbuck probably mutter some comments out of envy or jealousy!

Colonial playmate of the month
Cylon Playmate of the month

Gee, what actress can get both awards! :)

Just perused YouTube, there is a new gag reel on there for Season 3 (do a search on "galactica bloopers", then change the appearance order of the results to "date added").

Just perused YouTube, there is a new gag reel on there for Season 3 (do a search on "galactica bloopers", then change the appearance order of the results to "date added").

Thanks--I saw it. Very funny.

The season three gag reel made me laugh out loud. Who knew there was so much, er ... gas ... on the set?

"I'll frack you from behind like Katie Sackoff"

ROFLMAO!

That was great...EJO has one dirty mouth! lol

Just perused YouTube, there is a new gag reel on there for Season 3 (do a search on "galactica bloopers", then change the appearance order of the results to "date added").

What? You can't post a link?

I hope if Sci-Fi, FX and some of my OTHER favorite cable channels DO go Hi-Def, it's NOT just available over DirecTV, leaving us cable customers in the dust, so to speak!
Jeff

From the TV Week link above...

"Though all major cable networks are eventually expected to have HD simulcasts, none of the networks DirecTV cited (USA, Sci Fi, FX, CNN, Cartoon Network, TBS ) had previously announced plans to launch HD networks."

From the TV Week link above...

"Though all major cable networks are eventually expected to have HD simulcasts, none of the networks DirecTV cited (USA, Sci Fi, FX, CNN, Cartoon Network, TBS ) had previously announced plans to launch HD networks."

Key word there is "had". They have all since announced.

What? You can't post a link?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kdmo_KCsutI

Happy now? :rolleyes: By the way, this is the long version (13 minutes) of the reel.

The season three gag reel made me laugh out loud. Who knew there was so much, er ... gas ... on the set?
ejo eats lots of tacos, it should be mandatory for actresses to do a playboy spread.

Woo hoo! It's almost here. Less than 12 hours to go!!!

I hope the game doesn't overlap into bsg tonight :(

Ms. Helfer was on Letterman in HD friday night....

Now that was great! and Deanna (Lucy Lawless) when she saw the 1 model, she knew them. So that is going to prove interesting.
Also, what is going to happen with Caprica 6 now? Also going to be interesting.

not following you.. the 1 model?? and I agree - 6 on galactica.. cool

Now that was great! and Deanna (Lucy Lawless) when she saw the 1 model, she knew them. So that is going to prove interesting.
Also, what is going to happen with Caprica 6 now? Also going to be interesting.

Great episode...really sets up the rest of the season...

looks like Lucy isn't going to be a special guest star anymore...oh well...

also, can we end this whole Starbuck, Lee, Dee, Sam love square? seriously...

I bet the Supernova in HD would have been INCREDIBLE

not following you.. the 1 model?? and I agree - 6 on galactica.. cool
When she was look at the faces of the 5, when she stop in from the 5th one, she indicated that she knew them. But now that her whole line has been boxed, guess we won't find out for a while now who she saw.
Oh ya, with Caprica on Galactica now, how is she going to be treated? Like Athena after a while? Also, will she say what her part was in the destruction of the colonies? Will she mention it as a character witness for the prosecution against Baltar?

Oh ya, with Caprica on Galactica now, how is she going to be treated? Like Athena after a while? Also, will she say what her part was in the destruction of the colonies? Will she mention it as a character witness for the prosecution against Baltar?

I certainly doubt they are going to treat her like Athena...

Also, what becomes of the baby? If it survives?

By The Way Sunday Night Is The Best Move Ever!!!!!!!!!1

I certainly doubt they are going to treat her like Athena...

Also, what becomes of the baby? If it survives?
I agree, especially if they find out what part she played in the destruction. Her treatment, though not as bad as Gina's, it will not be as nice as Sharon's ever was. If she tells everything she knows, she should at least get as good as Athena got (for treatment and quaters) before she was brought into the Colonial Forces. (I didn't say back as it was Boomer that was in the forces, not her)

I think the baby will live now. Just a matter of time now to see what part she will play in the story.

Anyone else think the episode felt a little rushed today? I thought some of the CG of the toasters on the ground looked a little too fake. Other than that, it was pretty good - I hope they can keep it interesting for the 2nd half of the season.

I didn't think that. The planet is under a red-ish sun, so things aren't going to look the same.

I agree though that it was a good start to the second half of the season with plot lines started that could keep going well through season 4 and may still be there by season 5 I think.

Good point. I did watch it on a different TV than normal, so that may account for the difference. Oh well.

I didn't think that. The planet is under a red-ish sun, so things aren't going to look the same.

I agree though that it was a good start to the second half of the season with plot lines started that could keep going well through season 4 and may still be there by season 5 I think.


Let's hope that this show is picked up for a season 4. Mid Feb. is when we will find out.

Anyone else think the episode felt a little rushed today? I thought some of the CG of the toasters on the ground looked a little too fake. Other than that, it was pretty good - I hope they can keep it interesting for the 2nd half of the season.

I noticed that as well. The Cylons looked like they were just cut'n'pasted into the scenery like they weren't even in contact with the terrain. It just didn't look "right", and not up to par with BSG type of cg effects in past episodes.

Also, the supernova scenes looked kind of cartoonish.

Don't know how anyone feels about mixing TOS with the current one, but that scene in the temple when D'anna met the other 5 cyclon models mirrored a scene from TOS.

Don't know how anyone feels about mixing TOS with the current one, but that scene in the temple when D'anna met the other 5 cyclon models mirrored a scene from TOS.
I also felt like that set was familiar. But I was thinking a Pyramid court. Guess I will have to pull out TOS and watch them again.

I also felt like that set was familiar. But I was thinking a Pyramid court. Guess I will have to pull out TOS and watch them again.

It is the episode where Starbuck and Apollo meet certain "beings".

I noticed that as well. The Cylons looked like they were just cut'n'pasted into the scenery like they weren't even in contact with the terrain. It just didn't look "right", and not up to par with BSG type of cg effects in past episodes.

Also, the supernova scenes looked kind of cartoonish.

Me as well. The Cylons on the planet just seemed incorrect. I will ask my friend if he has talked to any of the guys working on BSG lately. It may have been a case of not enough time.

So, does this mean Lucy is leaving the show? I am curious what they are going to do with Baltar. If it is a trial, then who will defend him?

So, does this mean Lucy is leaving the show?

Yep, her contract was for only ten episodes this season.

I am curious what they are going to do with Baltar. If it is a trial, then who will defend him?

Lee Adama

Loved the episode last night. I am wondering how long it will take the Galactica crew to figure out that this Number Six is the Six that played such a huge part in the destruction of the colonies. Do they even know about all of that yet? Unless Baltar or Six says something, I'm not sure how they would know. Roslin saw death's door hallucinations/memories of Baltar with a Six, but I'm not sure that is enough to clue her in to how important their roles were in the attack.

I kind of like Caprica Six now, so I'm a little nervous how she'll be treated. Isn't it crazy that I can actually have sympathy for her?

I also felt like that set was familiar. But I was thinking a Pyramid court. Guess I will have to pull out TOS and watch them again.
It is the same set where Baltar and his imaginary 6 see the child in the cradle (presumably Hera) during season one. Baltar has also had several visions in that set since that time. That is probably why it feels familiar. I am not that well versed in the original BSG, so I can't speak to whether or not it mirrors anything there.

Deanna obviously met someone she already knew there. I guess I would have to sit and think about how many humans she has come into contact with. Whoever it was, they must have met at some point, since she said she was sorry. I'm still skeptical that it is Baltar. She was sleeping with him, why would she be sorry? Maybe it is someone who was mistreated on New Caprica? I don't know. It could literally be anyone.

Maybe it is someone who was mistreated on New Caprica? I don't know. It could literally be anyone.

Like, Tigh?

Like, Tigh?

The whole 'Starbuck draws the Eye of Jupiter' storyline is a little creepy. Let's hope they don't make her a Cylon.

The whole 'Starbuck draws the Eye of Jupiter' storyline is a little creepy. Let's hope they don't make her a Cylon.

Well, as pure speculation, D'anna obviously "knew" the cylon model....Kara has been of unusual interest to the cylons....Kara has a "destiny"....so, maybe she is one of the 5 missing models, isn't actually a cylon, but a designer of cylons (don't ask me how) or somehow involved with why they look human rather than toasters...like she was an astronaut from earth with a robotics background who went through a [black hole/quantum singularity/nova/tear in the space time continuum] and landed on the cylon planet 40 years ago.

Man, I've got to switch to decaf.

It is the episode where Starbuck and Apollo meet certain "beings".

Ah yes...especially the way the beings were wearing that cloak! It was the episode with that crystal thing that would chase the fighters and engulf them in a blinding white light.

Well, we might as well start making a list:

Helo - No, because of the baby being a hybrid.
Starbuck - Yes
Lee - No, Adama would have seen him being raised.
Gaeta - Yes
The Black Pilot - Yes, Deanna would have seen him on the base ship.
Tigh - Yes
Ellen - Yes
Baltar - Yes, but to convenient.
Billy - :)
Cottle - Yes, but doubt it.
Roslin - No
Dualla - Yes, but did she meet Deanna.
Chief - Yes
Zarek - Yes

[in homage to the "Who shot Mafesto" South Park episode]...or perhaps it was Chef?! The Denver Broncos? [shocking music] :p

Well, we might as well start making a list:

Helo - No, because of the baby being a hybrid.
Starbuck - Yes
Lee - No, Adama would have seen him being raised.
Gaeta - Yes
The Black Pilot - Yes, Deanna would have seen him on the base ship.
Tigh - Yes
Ellen - Yes
Baltar - Yes, but to convenient.
Billy - :)
Cottle - Yes, but doubt it.
Roslin - No
Dualla - Yes, but did she meet Deanna.
Chief - Yes
Zarek - Yes
Adama: Hmmm.....?

Baltar: Wait for it.................................................No.

Bulldog: (black pilot) Naahh....

Chief: Nope.

Dee: A very strong possibility. Make that a Yes.

Could there be cylon models based on any particular human(s) ?
This show continues to get gooder and gooder....

It is the episode where Starbuck and Apollo meet certain "beings".
No, that was the episode where Starbuck met his "father".
Those beings were around when Patrick McNee showed up (after doing the intro voice over for the series)

Loved the episode last night. I am wondering how long it will take the Galactica crew to figure out that this Number Six is the Six that played such a huge part in the destruction of the colonies. Do they even know about all of that yet? Unless Baltar or Six says something, I'm not sure how they would know. Roslin saw death's door hallucinations/memories of Baltar with a Six, but I'm not sure that is enough to clue her in to how important their roles were in the attack.

I kind of like Caprica Six now, so I'm a little nervous how she'll be treated. Isn't it crazy that I can actually have sympathy for her?
I am starting to like her now also. More so since D'eana and Baltar started leaving her out of what they were up to.

Well, as pure speculation, D'anna obviously "knew" the cylon model....Kara has been of unusual interest to the cylons....Kara has a "destiny"....so, maybe she is one of the 5 missing models, isn't actually a cylon, but a designer of cylons (don't ask me how) or somehow involved with why they look human rather than toasters...like she was an astronaut from earth with a robotics background who went through a [black hole/quantum singularity/nova/tear in the space time continuum] and landed on the cylon planet 40 years ago.

Man, I've got to switch to decaf.
Just so long as it isn't the humanoid Cylon from Galactica 80, it's all good. :p

I'm not sold on Starbuck as one of the five. That would be 2 main female characters that were Cylons. Now how about this, Cally! And she has a baby, doctor hasn't checked for Cylon and would be a serious sleeper agent.

Is it just me, or is Helo about a disloyal security risk? How many more times will Adama let him put Sharon the Cylon ahead of the fleet? He pulls a gun on Apollo, screws up the virus mission and now pulls that stunt with killing Sharon. He just can't be trusted.

Personnel shortage! They only have very few qualified people to handle what they're doing and very little relief and no trainees. I think they sort of mentioned that earlier where Adama or Tighe or someone basically said something like "under any under circumstances........"

Is it just me, or is Helo about a disloyal security risk? How many more times will Adama let him put Sharon the Cylon ahead of the fleet? He pulls a gun on Apollo, screws up the virus mission and now pulls that stunt with killing Sharon. He just can't be trusted.


Yeah, he's a liability. Personnel shortage or no his ass needs to get back in a Raptor and out of a position of responsibility asap.

Adama: Hmmm.....?

Baltar: Wait for it.................................................No.

Bulldog: (black pilot) Naahh....

Chief: Nope.

Dee: A very strong possibility. Make that a Yes.

Could there be cylon models based on any particular human(s) ?
This show continues to get gooder and gooder....

Adama would be the obvious NON-obvious choice, but he has two sons, plus a backstory of sorts with family. ALthough it WAS his idea for them to start looking for Earth, and lo and behold it really exists and the Cylons are looking too. lol

Do Cylons "grow up"? I thought that they were kind of just hatched. Starbuck appears to have had a childhood and at least there is talk of her relationship with parents. This would appear to rule her out as being one of the Five, unless those Five are somehow different from normal skin jobs.

I know that Boomer had implanted memories but I believe that an upcoming show has flashbacks to Starbuck's childhood.

Do Cylons "grow up"? I thought that they were kind of just hatched. Starbuck appears to have had a childhood and at least there is talk of her relationship with parents. This would appear to rule her out as being one of the Five, unless those Five are somehow different from normal skin jobs.

I know that Boomer had implanted memories but I believe that an upcoming show has flashbacks to Starbuck's childhood.

I guess you can implant as many false memories as you like in an android. In Blade Runner, Rachael has false childhood memories.

Is it just me, or is Helo about a disloyal security risk? How many more times will Adama let him put Sharon the Cylon ahead of the fleet? He pulls a gun on Apollo, screws up the virus mission and now pulls that stunt with killing Sharon. He just can't be trusted.

I was going to bring this up as well. It's amazing how different the general perceptions of he and Baltar are when they have similarities.

Baltar is hated for putting humanity at risk to save is own skin. The only difference with Helo is that he did it to save his beliefs (disease episode) and to save his child (this episode). The main difference is that the Cylons succeeded in using the weakness from Baltar. So Galactica was at the algae planet and the undefended civilian fleet was hiding somewhere else. If the Cylons extract that location out of Sharon and jump over there and destroy the civilian fleet isn't Helo as responsible for that as Baltar was for many of his transgressions?

I thought some of the CG of the toasters on the ground looked a little too fake.
I noticed that as well. The Cylons looked like they were just cut'n'pasted into the scenery like they weren't even in contact with the terrain. It just didn't look "right", and not up to par with BSG type of cg effects in past episodes.
Also, the supernova scenes looked kind of cartoonish.
I also noticed some issues with the toasters, especially during the main firefight at the end where one was truncated above the waist but continued firing at the humans. It looked like he was not touching the ground?
It's hard to tell with the ultra poor PQ on Sci-Fi and I had to rewind my DVR several times just to get a semi-clear picture of the CGI. It also looked like all the exterior scenes on the Algae planet were post processed to dramatically increase color saturation and enhance contrast. On my set... the sky was super deep bright blue and the sand hills were ultra white bright. The exterior scenes post processing in combination with the poor PQ on Sci-Fi may have combined to give the effect of improperly placed CGI objects, but I'll give the BSG CGI crew the benefit of the doubt till I see the episode in glorious HD...

isn't Helo as responsible for that as Baltar was for many of his transgressions?


Yes.

It would be better if he were just stupid, but he's always trying to be noble at the wrong damn times. He gave up his seat for Baltar for frak's sake!

Sorry if this isn't the right forum... just looking to get my BG fix.

Anybody know what's up with Battlestar Galactica showing up on Universal HD? Will all the episodes be repeated there (or on NBC)? Or was "The Story So Far" just a teaser to draw people in?

I just switched providers and dropped Sci Fi and am really missing BG. iTunes lo-res episode downloads don't quite cut it...

Sorry if this isn't the right forum... just looking to get my BG fix.

Anybody know what's up with Battlestar Galactica showing up on Universal HD? Will all the episodes be repeated there (or on NBC)? Or was "The Story So Far" just a teaser to draw people in?

I just switched providers and dropped Sci Fi and am really missing BG. iTunes lo-res episode downloads don't quite cut it...

Universal owns the BSG franchise. They are showing them in reruns on UHD and are about 3/4 season behind the current season. But they will show the entire season, just several months behind.

Iteki - thanks!

Iteki - thanks!


No problem, more info here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=787948&highlight=galactica)

Note that the folks watching UHD are behind the sci-fi folks and they DO NOT appreciate spoilers, intentional or not :-)

No problem, more info here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=787948&highlight=galactica)

Note that the folks watching UHD are behind the sci-fi folks and they DO NOT appreciate spoilers, intentional or not :-)

Good point. Those who are watching on UHD should not be reading this thread since this where where the Sci Fi discussion happens in all of its glory.

Now how about this, Cally! And she has a baby, doctor hasn't checked for Cylon and would be a serious sleeper agent.

I'd been thinking about the same angle!!!

Question - I notice that I've seen, I believe, episodes up to 44. Then I've seen, I think, 48-53. I thought I just had missed some, but the other day, they did a marathon and they did episodes ~38-44 and then 48-52 so I'm thinking these are mislabeled or maybe they chose to play these episodes out of order?

I have a question about the whole eye of Jupiter thing. So, it's this temple built by someone in the past and the humans, i.e. Adama, etc thought it would point them in the direction of Earth. But the Chief, despite trying very hard get's nowhere before they are forced to leave. However, the cylons, or at least D'eanna, also think it holds info regarding the way to earth. So, here's my question. Why is it that she sees cylons there? I realize that the temple was built to function during the supernova and the chief wasn't present physically in the temple when the star blew up (so maybe he would have seen something too). But does the fact that D'eanna saw the five cylons mean that the temple was really meant for cylons? Or was she having a vision because she believed she was the chosen one and the temple was just a way for her to complete the vision? I'm confused.

I have a question about the whole eye of Jupiter thing. So, it's this temple built by someone in the past and the humans, i.e. Adama, etc thought it would point them in the direction of Earth. But the Chief, despite trying very hard get's nowhere before they are forced to leave. However, the cylons, or at least D'eanna, also think it holds info regarding the way to earth. So, here's my question. Why is it that she sees cylons there? I realize that the temple was built to function during the supernova and the chief wasn't present physically in the temple when the star blew up (so maybe he would have seen something too). But does the fact that D'eanna saw the five cylons mean that the temple was really meant for cylons? Or was she having a vision because she believed she was the chosen one and the temple was just a way for her to complete the vision? I'm confused.

I took it to mean there was a definite link between the 5 unknown Cylons and the Earth Colony. What that link might be I have no idea..

I have a question about the whole eye of Jupiter thing. So, it's this temple built by someone in the past and the humans, i.e. Adama, etc thought it would point them in the direction of Earth. But the Chief, despite trying very hard get's nowhere before they are forced to leave. However, the cylons, or at least D'eanna, also think it holds info regarding the way to earth. So, here's my question. Why is it that she sees cylons there? I realize that the temple was built to function during the supernova and the chief wasn't present physically in the temple when the star blew up (so maybe he would have seen something too). But does the fact that D'eanna saw the five cylons mean that the temple was really meant for cylons? Or was she having a vision because she believed she was the chosen one and the temple was just a way for her to complete the vision? I'm confused.

No one said they were actual Cylons, just that she recognized one of them.

To a human, my guess is they would be recognized as 5 of their "gods". The Cylons would recognize them as the 5 missing Cylon "models".

So who are they REALLY? :eek: