I also think Helo needs to get out of the military. I like the guy, he's a great husband and father, but he's not much of an officer. The whole 'can't follow orders' thing is a problem.

I also think Helo needs to get out of the military. I like the guy, he's a great husband and father, but he's not much of an officer. The whole 'can't follow orders' thing is a problem.

just like everyone else on the show? lets face it, he's not the only one not following orders...Lee and Starbuck routinely break the chain of command do things they want to do...

Adama would be the obvious NON-obvious choice, but he has two sons, plus a backstory of sorts with family. ALthough it WAS his idea for them to start looking for Earth, and lo and behold it really exists and the Cylons are looking too. lolThen again, Pete brought up a good point; how are we to know what Deanna saw were actually cylons?

Has anyone seen Sci Fi's promo for this Sunday's episode because it sure looks like:

Baltar is on a Cylon Resurrection Ship and a copy of his agent in stasis is being awakened because the active agent must have been be killed.

Then again, Pete brought up a good point; how are we to know what Deanna saw were actually cylons?

Well, I was thinking they must be because she recognized one of them. The temple was built over 4000 years ago. If what she saw was simply what the people (or things) who built it wanted her to see, wouldn't that mean they have to be cylons (to be that old)? And if she saw a vision of her own creation that was produced out of the "vision quest" that she'd been on, it would still make them cylons because that's what she wanted to see. Again, I'm confused lol.

drismal, good point on why should Deanna see Cylons when the temple was supposed to be built by the 13th tribe/colony on their way to Earth and Cylons were created by the 12 colonies After the 13th colony left.

Though as others pointed out, Deanna believes they are Cylons because of Cylon mythology and there was some cross between human and cylon religions/myths. Something about the cow eyed Hera and the eye of jupiter and a hand. The hand being an artifact such as the final five cyclons because a hand has five fingers. It didn't make much sense but I hoped they clear it up someday more clearly than they just did.

Also, it could be she saw humans which is why she apologized.

Something else that doesn't make much sense is the probe previously found that had the Cyclon killing virus was dated to 3,000 years ago (BSG standard time) but the temple is even older at 4,000 years. Yet supposedly the 13th colony left the probe to point the way first and then later built the temple as well as they were further along their journey to Earth. And the Galactica command crew somehow misses this?

or are we to discover Earth is really the source of humanity and BSG is on a trail that the original 13 tribes/colonies took when they left Earth for Cobal. Say a big fight happened between the 13th tribe and the other 12 on Cobal (some big fight did happen on Cobal as revealed last season) and the 13th was decimated and it is the survivors of the 13th colony that the cylon skin jobs are modeled on.

oops, sorry for the rant.

Let's hope that this show is picked up for a season 4. Mid Feb. is when we will find out.

Ah shades of Babylon 5 days. Every frakking year we had the same questions until finally JMS had to rush the story into season 4 and season 5 truly sucked until that final episode.

I sure hope that doesn't happen to this show. It's too good for that kind of treatment.

...Something else that doesn't make much sense is the probe previously found that had the Cyclon killing virus was dated to 3,000 years ago (BSG standard time) but the temple is even older at 4,000 years. Yet supposedly the 13th colony left the probe to point the way first and then later built the temple as well as they were further along their journey to Earth. And the Galactica command crew somehow misses this?

or are we to discover Earth is really the source of humanity and BSG is on a trail that the original 13 tribes/colonies took when they left Earth for Cobal. Say a big fight happened between the 13th tribe and the other 12 on Cobal (some big fight did happen on Cobal as revealed last season) and the 13th was decimated and it is the survivors of the 13th colony that the cylon skin jobs are modeled on.

oops, sorry for the rant.

That's something we've toyed with a little earlier in the thread, that Earth may actually be the homeworld of humanity. If that is correct, then the timeline does fit.

What we are missing is when the Cylons were created. All the opening credits say is that they were created by man and they rebelled. Remember, what man created were Cylons that looked like toasters. There was a war. The Cylons went away. When they reappeared, they looked like humans. The humans were surprised by this.

Taking that logic, how could D'anna see a 4000 year old human Cylon model? At best, she'd see a silver plated one that said, "By Your Command".

Ah shades of Babylon 5 days. Every frakking year we had the same questions until finally JMS had to rush the story into season 4 and season 5 truly sucked until that final episode.

I sure hope that doesn't happen to this show. It's too good for that kind of treatment.

<offtopic>Well, yeah. And the dynamite last episode of season 5, was actually the last episode of season 4.</offtopic>

I'm still having trouble understanding how BSG can be on the bubble. Is the show just too well written, thought provoking, emotionally engaging and well acted? Perhaps if the producers added a chimp dressed up in a daggit suit...... :eek:

I'm new to this discussion, so forgive me if I mention something covered earlier in the thread.

Some of the mysticism of the show seems to point to a "circular" timeline, what with the "this has all happened before" plot scenarios. Is it possible that Kara is a genetic clone (i.e. reincarnation) of one of the original "Lords of Kobol"? Speaking of which, has there ever been a definitive answer on whether the LoK were actually human?

Also, wasn't there only something like 40 years or so between the "toaster" model Cylons to the appearance of the humanoids? Could the Cylon god be someone who came along and, behind the scenes, constructed/evolved the Cylons to the humanoid stage? Or is their god some nebulous creator-of-everything that is never seen?

That's something we've toyed with a little earlier in the thread, that Earth may actually be the homeworld of humanity. If that is correct, then the timeline does fit.

What we are missing is when the Cylons were created. All the opening credits say is that they were created by man and they rebelled. Remember, what man created were Cylons that looked like toasters. There was a war. The Cylons went away. When they reappeared, they looked like humans. The humans were surprised by this.

Taking that logic, how could D'anna see a 4000 year old human Cylon model? At best, she'd see a silver plated one that said, "By Your Command".

D'anna saw humans is part of the theory. And I'm not sure exactly when Cylons where created but I believe where is clear, Cobal. And the theory is before the 12 tribes left Cobal. That the battle that caused everyone to leave Cobal was over the Cylons. Probably whether or not Cylons are to be treated as free and equal lifeforms or slaves. The 12 wanted slaves and the 13th had some forsight to see they had intelligence and would eventually rebel anyway. Perhaps the 13th even researched how to do the cyclon skin jobs and thats what caused the war on Cobal. They went too far for the other 12 tribes.

So, later (after Cobal and the 12 tribes settle on the 12 colonies) when the slave toaster Cylons rebel from and lose the war with the 12 colonies they find Cobal and learn the truth and possibly how to do the cylon skin jobs. This explains how the Cylons seem to know more about what is going on than the humans (who lets say bury part of the truth cuz its ugly). And the cylon skin jobs are based on genetic material from the 13th tribe. So in a sense they are decedents of the 13th tribe. Which is what D'anna saw with the 5 and the reason why she said Baltar was right...ie Humans and Cylons are very much the same, both looking for who they are.

Anyway, guess there has to be some reincarnation too to explain Starbucks paintings and the re-appearance of the 5 amongst the 12 colonies. Obviously fate allows everyone to survive and wind up together on Galactica. I mean if you can time a supernova with Galactica, Cylons and the Chief outside the temple on the right side of the mountain to see the eye of jupiter, then rest is childs play.

Anyways, just my theory of the moment. I think I'll stop now cuz thinking about it is taking the piss out of the whole thing. Just hope they don't screw it up given the number of other projects the writers/producers have going now due to BSG's success.

Oh and I read that season 4 is a go as well as a movie between season 3 and 4. The movie will be a standalone plot, will air on SciFi and then straight to DVD. My guess it sows the seed for the Caprica series, so lots of Adama flashbacks.

ps...I really need to learn to spell Kobol right. :) And Mloot no definitive answer on squat. Though the circular plot thing in my theory fits in that the 12 tribes/colonies are always fighting over whether the Cylons should be free or really alive vs machine/program (and in a sense they are fighting with the 13th tribe again). Fits into Adamas monologues/questions on the worth of humanity too.

I've always thought Dee was the last "sleeper" Cylon, but I'm starting to waver on that. And I never, ever thought Baltar might be a sleeper Cylon, but I'm wavering on that now, too. When Baltar designed the Colonial defense system, it took a real Cylon sleeper, Six, to corrupt the system enough to allow the Cylon attack. If Baltar was secretly a Cylon agent, why bother? And Tyrol having visions of the temple, and Starbuck having visions of the circle-thingy. What's going on with all that? Misdirection...?

D'anna knew [at least] one of the "final 5", but wouldn't all Cylons "know" all of the other five if they've simply been boxed? Or maybe she had a premonition that she, herself, would soon be boxed as well....? I kinda' figured that the 5 models that had been boxed just didn't work out for some reason (considering humanoid Cylons are all less than 40 years old). It stands to reason that a few of 'em would have "bugs" that needed to be worked out, models that just weren't up to snuff for some reason. Six told Baltar that they just didn't like to talk about them.

Too bad about Lucy Lawless only signing a 10-ep contract this season. When I heard that back before S-3 began, I kinda' figured she'd end up being boxed (no other way to write her completely out of the show).

And finally, what on earth is up with the anemic ratings??? Less than 2 million folks are watching this, the best show on TV, yet twice as many watch 'Monk' and even 'Psych'...? And 3 times as many watch 'The Closer' (all basic cable shows available in roughly the same number of households)...? As a result, SciFi hasn't even made the no-brainer call of renewing 'BSG' for a fourth season yet, even though it's their flagship show. And when they do renew it, will the budget be cut? Will they start to "meddle" in the direction of the show, as often happens when ratings aren't up to snuff? I can't stand it.... and can't understand it. :(

And finally, what on earth is up with the anemic ratings??? Less than 2 million folks are watching this, the best show on TV, yet twice as many watch 'Monk' and even 'Psych'...? And 3 times as many watch 'The Closer' (all basic cable shows available in roughly the same number of households)...? As a result, SciFi hasn't even made the no-brainer call of renewing 'BSG' for a fourth season yet, even though it's their flagship show. And when they do renew it, will the budget be cut? Will they start to "meddle" in the direction of the show, as often happens when ratings aren't up to snuff? I can't stand it.... and can't understand it.


From what I understand the ratings were up slightly from the fall finale (from 1.7 to 1.8). Considering it was up against the end of the Pats/Colts game (highest rated AFC title game in over 20 years) plus it's postgame show...I remain hopeful that next week tops 2 million.

I think Season 4 is a no-brainer for Universal, considering that they are rolling out HD for Scifi sometime in the near future (if you believe the Directv announcements). It's a great showcase for HD, critically acclaimed, and one more season and they'll have the minimum for a good library for syndication.

But then again, they haven't asked me for my opinion :-)

I believe the ratings problem has to do with the title No matter how much I plead with people to watch what I consider to be a great show they refuse. Unless they are diehard sci fi fans they have no interest in a show entitled BSG on the scifi channel. This show would definitely appeal to a wider audience if it was marketed on NBC under a different name.

I believe the ratings problem has to do with the title No matter how much I plead with people to watch what I consider to be a great show they refuse. Unless they are diehard sci fi fans they have no interest in a show entitled BSG on the scifi channel. This show would definitely appeal to a wider audience if it was marketed on NBC under a different name.
How about renaming it "Wagon train to the Stars"? ;) :D

I believe the ratings problem has to do with the title No matter how much I plead with people to watch what I consider to be a great show they refuse. Unless they are diehard sci fi fans they have no interest in a show entitled BSG on the scifi channel. This show would definitely appeal to a wider audience if it was marketed on NBC under a different name.

I admit, I was one of those that resisted this series because of its name. It took a showing on Universal HD (the season 1 finale when Sharon shoots Adama)--I was like "this is great, yet I have no idea what is going on!" So I started from the beginning and have been preaching it to others as well. My wife, who isn't really into scifi, loves it as well. (She tried to tell her brothers and parents how great a show it was over the holidays, and they looked at her like she had a horn growing out of her head!)

And I liked the original BSG--but I remember liking it at 10 years old, but still knew that it was pretty cheesy. I like scifi, but am really turned off by low quality acting, special effects, etc. I thought the new BSG suffered from this--boy was I wrong!

One thing about the ratings is the inexplicable lack of an Emmy nomination for best dramatic series. If ever a sci-fi show was going to get one, this is it. All the critics have it on their 10 best list, with several of the more high profile guys/gals calling it the very best show on TV. It won the Peabody Award last year, but nobody pays any attention to those, and Sci-Fi Network strangely doesn't pimp that award like they should. The Golden Globes carry far more influence, even though the entire voting list is only like 85 "foreigners" long (and it didn't get a nod there, either).

We need an Emmy nod for this show. That would make all the difference. People would have to take it seriously then, in spite of the title. Maybe next year. :rolleyes:

How about renaming it "Wagon train to the Stars"? ;) :D

Sorry, Star Trek took that one. :D

I also noticed some issues with the toasters, especially during the main firefight at the end where one was truncated above the waist but continued firing at the humans. It looked like he was not touching the ground?
It's hard to tell with the ultra poor PQ on Sci-Fi and I had to rewind my DVR several times just to get a semi-clear picture of the CGI. It also looked like all the exterior scenes on the Algae planet were post processed to dramatically increase color saturation and enhance contrast. On my set... the sky was super deep bright blue and the sand hills were ultra white bright. The exterior scenes post processing in combination with the poor PQ on Sci-Fi may have combined to give the effect of improperly placed CGI objects, but I'll give the BSG CGI crew the benefit of the doubt till I see the episode in glorious HD...

the toaster that was on the ground has it's legs blown off by the explosion the humans had set off. The sky did have a hew too it.

How about renaming it "Wagon train to the Stars"? ;) :D

Wasn't that what Roddenberry called Star Trek?

just like everyone else on the show? lets face it, he's not the only one not following orders...Lee and Starbuck routinely break the chain of command do things they want to do...

Yeah, everyone seems to get away with a lot, just as Adama pointed out in Unfinished Business. But most of the time their transgressions don't involve sabotaging a very important mission which could've brought about the end of the conflict.

One thing about the ratings is the inexplicable lack of an Emmy nomination for best dramatic series. If ever a sci-fi show was going to get one, this is it. All the critics have it on their 10 best list, with several of the more high profile guys/gals calling it the very best show on TV. It won the Peabody Award last year, but nobody pays any attention to those, and Sci-Fi Network strangely doesn't pimp that award like they should. The Golden Globes carry far more influence, even though the entire voting list is only like 85 "foreigners" long (and it didn't get a nod there, either).

We need an Emmy nod for this show. That would make all the difference. People would have to take it seriously then, in spite of the title. Maybe next year. :rolleyes:

Well, the Emmy Nominations for this year are so wrong as to be laughable. Cable channels are mostly ignored as usual. Your telling me that Grey's Anatomy is a better drama than The Wire? I mean really. When I look at this years list, I see three shows that I don't even watch because they are so stupid and awful: Grey's, 24, and House. One show, West Wing, that is good but didn't have an Emmy season. And the final nominee, while a very good show, was still not as good last year as several others that didn't get the nod. Deadwood, The Wire, Rome, Rescue Me, BSG, Life on Mars(BBCAmerica). I could go on a lot further if the Emmy standard for last year is House or Grey's Anatomy. Monk, Psych, The Shield, Eureka, Jericho, Big Love, Medium, ER, are all better shows than 3 of 5 of what was nominated for an Emmy.

Yeah, everyone seems to get away with a lot, just as Adama pointed out in Unfinished Business. But most of the time their transgressions don't involve sabotaging a very important mission which could've brought about the end of the conflict.

Exactly, I think there is a bit of a difference between the disloyal, maverick actions of the others and the actions of Helo, as his loyalties are conflicted due to his relationship with a machine/enemy agent.

Something lost in some discussions of the scene between Helo, Adama, and Roslyn was how the President called out Adama as well for perhaps investing too much trust in the Sharon Cylon.

Exactly, I think there is a bit of a difference between the disloyal, maverick actions of the others and the actions of Helo, as his loyalties are conflicted due to his relationship with a machine/enemy agent.

Something lost in some discussions of the scene between Helo, Adama, and Roslyn was how the President called out Adama as well for perhaps investing too much trust in the Sharon Cylon.

Anyone ever see Blade2? Kris Kristofferson uttered a classic line about the power of the female genitalia:

"Behold the power of the p***y, one hair off that thing can pull a freight train up a 2 mile grade!"

Helo can attest to this, as can the Chief. Even Adama has been swayed by her. You think if Boomer were male those three would have been vouching for her? :-)

Has anyone seen Sci Fi's promo for this Sunday's episode because it sure looks like:

Baltar is on a Cylon Resurrection Ship and a copy of his agent in stasis is being awakened because the active agent must have been be killed.
I think he's dreaming it or just imagining it, because if he is a Cylon why would they just blow it out like that in a promo?. The writers are playing us, its all about who's the cylon now.

Has anyone seen Sci Fi's promo for this Sunday's episode because it sure looks like:

Baltar is on a Cylon Resurrection Ship and a copy of his agent in stasis is being awakened because the active agent must have been be killed.

The writers have said in an interview:

that this scene is not to be proof that Baltar is a cylon, but merely is a dream sequence.

One more factoid about the dismal ratings. The overall audience was only 1.8 million, but almost all of them, 1.3 million, were in the desirable 18-49 demo that advertisers' salivate over. Clearly, this ain't your father's Battlestar. I guess that's the good news.

One more factoid about the dismal ratings. The overall audience was only 1.8 million, but almost all of them, 1.3 million, were in the desirable 18-49 demo that advertisers' salivate over. Clearly, this ain't your father's Battlestar. I guess that's the good news.


And that's just the "live" audience. Although that is the only audience that counts, the show is heavily DVRd and is a big seller on iTunes. I've noticed they have started using some web tie in that requires a code that is only useful if you've watched it live. I don't think I've ever watched a BSG live so if they cancel it then ya'll can blame me.

Man, I wish I were a Neilson rater. I'll let somebody else do the stats but I wonder what just one more rater watching BSG live would do for the ratings.

Well from my point of view, the name is just a killer for the show. Every time my girlfriend comes in the room, she sits down and watches a few minutes. With a very interested tone in her voice she asks what I am watching. I tell her BSG and instantly she loses interest. Same thing happens with Heros. Very few people have any interest in the the show because of its name. I bet if we put some medical, cop, or law show name on their the show would be the most popular out there.

On a different note, I am surprised that noone mentioned brother Cavel's role in the last episode. I truly think he is trying to cover something up. He was the first to suggest "boxing" De'anna and he was the only one there for event. I don't know about you, but I think "boxing" an entire line of cylon would have been a huge deal. I don't think you could call it genocide but that has to be damn close.

It consistently amazes me that BSG is the only non-network show that week in and week out shows up in the Top 10 TV shows bought on iTunes. Yet hardly anyone watches it and most people don't even know it's on TV.

I'd like for someone to explain this to me. How can BSG rate right up there with Heroes and The Office and Desperate Housewives, 24, Lost, etc on iTunes yet get such dismal ratings? You look at the iTunes Top 10 and you say to yourself, "which one of these doesn't belong?"

I'm thrilled that it does so well on iTunes, but it just doesn't compute.

I just switched providers and dropped Sci Fi and am really missing BG. iTunes lo-res episode downloads don't quite cut it...I'm gonna drop iTunes a request to please set up BSG and other programming for 720p downloads. They obtained a bunch of out-of-print music of a particular artist after I requested it (I like to think I had something to do with that). I'm wanting to get rid of DISH, and this would be the perfect opportunity.

Well from my point of view, the name is just a killer for the show. Every time my girlfriend comes in the room, she sits down and watches a few minutes. With a very interested tone in her voice she asks what I am watching. I tell her BSG and instantly she loses interest. Same thing happens with Heros. Very few people have any interest in the the show because of its name. I bet if we put some medical, cop, or law show name on their the show would be the most popular out there.

On a different note, I am surprised that noone mentioned brother Cavel's role in the last episode. I truly think he is trying to cover something up. He was the first to suggest "boxing" De'anna and he was the only one there for event. I don't know about you, but I think "boxing" an entire line of cylon would have been a huge deal. I don't think you could call it genocide but that has to be damn close.

Not that I agree that they should rename the show, because that would be stupid, but I do see that people are immediately turned off by the title...its like, UGH YUCK BATTLESTAR A WHAT WHAT? As long as the DVD sales stay strong, I have no doubt that Sci-Fi will continue to air the show...

On a different note, I am surprised that noone mentioned brother Cavel's role in the last episode. I truly think he is trying to cover something up. ...

Yes. The most obvious possibility is that DeAnna discovered some "Truth" about the Cylons' origins a/o that the Cylons in their religious fervor have veered wildly off track from what their "god" intended for them. Kill the messanger, kill the message. ... But that's the obvious storyline, who knows what is to come. ;)

Yes. The most obvious possibility is that DeAnna discovered some "Truth" about the Cylons' origins a/o that the Cylons in their religious fervor have veered wildly off track from what their "god" intended for them. Kill the messanger, kill the message. ... But that's the obvious storyline, who knows what is to come. ;)

I don't doubt your conclusion at all---certainly a possibility. The other thing she was doing was having independent thought. The others were upset that she was not following/supporting the majority decision. She seemed to be following an independent quest without regard to the group's desires.

Note also that D'Anna, and all her memories and experiences, was boxed into "cold storage", not completely destroyed. Thus, there's a possibility that either she, or the entire line, could be resurrected someday. Perhaps by Six as an act of rebellion against the other Cylon. Dependent on Lucy's availability, of course. Hers was an interesting character; hate to see her go.

One other thing.... the hidden figure she saw and recognized in the temple during her dream sequence - wonder if we'll ever find out who it was? Remember that we never did find out who Six was talking to when she said "It's about time you showed up" (or words to that effect) back in the miniseries right before the attack. It seemed like it would be significant, but that was the last we ever heard of it.

The other thing she was doing was having independent thought. The others were upset that she was not following/supporting the majority decision. She seemed to be following an independent quest without regard to the group's desires.

Yes that would be part of the "problem." No dissent allowed from the "group think."

What's with all of the resurrection pods (or whatever they're called) at the end when they "boxed" D'Anna??? Looked like there were a hundred or so!?!?!?

What's with all of the resurrection pods (or whatever they're called) at the end when they "boxed" D'Anna??? Looked like there were a hundred or so!?!?!?

cold storage pods "boxed"

What's with all of the resurrection pods (or whatever they're called) at the end when they "boxed" D'Anna??? Looked like there were a hundred or so!?!?!?
I think that there are many forms of D'Anna. Although they are genetically identical, they tend to have different memories. I assumed that the different boxes were not as ominous as they first seemed. I imagine that they did not kill off her line, they simply archived all the variations of the D'Anna line so that they may be accessed again later.

I think that there are many forms of D'Anna. Although they are genetically identical, they tend to have different memories. I assumed that the different boxes were not as ominous as they first seemed. I imagine that they did not kill off her line, they simply archived all the variations of the D'Anna line so that they may be accessed again later.

That was my impression as well. If I understand the concept, there are 12 models, but each model has independent memories and experiences. I guess sort of like identical twins to the 100th power.

However, there must be some, if not genetic mutation then at least a software bug in the D'Anna model that made the others uncomfortable. I remember #6 making some kind of crack about the "Sharon" models having some kind of flaw....robotic jealousy...priceless!

So what about the one that was running around as a reporter (the episode "Final Cut") in the fleet? Did that one get killed off to force a resurrection, or is that particular unit in hiding?

So what about the one that was running around as a reporter (the episode "Final Cut") in the fleet? Did that one get killed off to force a resurrection, or is that particular unit in hiding?

If memory serves, wasn't that one last seen watching the videotape on a base ship? Was she a different one than the one we've been seeing?

So what about the one that was running around as a reporter (the episode "Final Cut") in the fleet? Did that one get killed off to force a resurrection, or is that particular unit in hiding?

went to new caprica with the fleet and returned to cylon life. No way she could hide after the cylons took over the colonial government. The colonials I am sure figured out by that point she was a cylon, when you start seeing multiple copies.

If memory serves, wasn't that one last seen watching the videotape on a base ship? Was she a different one than the one we've been seeing?
I thought they were watching that video on Caprica?
Now that is tough to say. I have been going with the D'Anna that has been foremost this season was the one who was watching the video and the one that Caprica 6 killed on Caprica in the underground garage in Download. Also the one that Athena shot in Exodus.

I thought they were watching that video on Caprica?
Now that is tough to say. I have been going with the D'Anna that has been foremost this season was the one who was watching the video and the one that Caprica 6 killed on Caprica in the underground garage in Download. Also the one that Athena shot in Exodus.

Could have been Caprica...probably was. The same D'Anna who filmed it was watching it with the others I believe. I was assuming the anytime we saw her, it was always the same "person".

I don't remember anything like a "Galactica" Sharon and a "Caprica" Sharon situation with D'Anna, but I certainly am open to suggestions.

Could have been Caprica...probably was. The same D'Anna who filmed it was watching it with the others I believe. I was assuming the anytime we saw her, it was always the same "person".

I thought the one that filmed it was still in the fleet as it wasn't know that she was a Cylon yet. Stayed in the fleet to watch was going on as by then #6 was a "known" Cylon agent as well as the 2 male agents in the mini-series.

I don't remember anything like a "Galactica" Sharon and a "Caprica" Sharon situation with D'Anna, but I certainly am open to suggestions.

I just call the 2 Sharon's, Athena (Caprica) and Boomer (Galactica).

In Download, Boomer hit D'Anna across the back of the head while Caprica 6 was injured from the explosion and couldn't move. That was when they formed their alliance. They also let Starbuck's future husband go.

When Athena went down to New Caprica (Exodus pt1 - pt2) and went into the Cylon base to get the frequencies, D'Anna (the one that I was thinking watched the video) came in on her and told her about Hera. But Athena shot her in the legs and left.

Unless you meant something different?

I'm open to any ideas.

A little bit of good news from the HOTP thread:

TV Notebook
Colts Beat Patriots; Game Beats Galactica
By R. Thomas Umstead MultiChannel News 1/26/2007


"We took a risk and rolled the dice [going up against football] and lost," Sci Fi executive vice president and general manager David Howe said. "Nevertheless, I was incredibly impressed by how Battlestar held up."

Indeed, Sci Fi executives said Battlestar was the No. 1 basic-cable entertainment program for the day among viewers 18-49 and 25-54 despite competition from the game. The show also increased its viewership among those two demos by 60% and 18%, respectively, compared with its Dec. 15 finale.

Howe said he expects ratings for both Battlestar and Dresden Files to increase over the next few weeks, sans any competition again posting a 40 share against the block. But just to be on the safe side, the network isn’t running original episodes from either series Feb. 4 -- that’s the night another little game, the Super Bowl, will play out on CBS.

I'd imagine any Deanna models out in 'the wild' would be fine until they died. If they were within range of a resurrection ship they would be boxed. Out of range of a Resurrection ship they'd just 'die'.

I don't doubt your conclusion at all---certainly a possibility. The other thing she was doing was having independent thought. The others were upset that she was not following/supporting the majority decision. She seemed to be following an independent quest without regard to the group's desires.

That is what I am getting at. Independant thought is ok as long as you go along with the group. The always refer to themselves as THE CYLON, not cylons. Brother cavel also has spoken very differently about the humans and cylon gods. And this is where I think he is covering something up. Either the truth about the cylon god, the human gods and or thier relationship with the with the humans in a repeating cycle. (all happened before.......)

A little bit of good news from the HOTP thread:LOL....:D....Go Colts!

great episode tonight...I really enjoyed it...the Torture scene was intense...

Can we finally have some closure on the love-square and whether Baltar is a Cylon???? I hope so

OH and bonus scene, whoever called that Caprica 6 would be called as a witness hit the nail on the head...good call!

I agree, great episode. This is probably one of my favorites of the entire series. I love the Baltar character and James Callis was tremendous tonight. So was everyone else in those various interrogation/torture scenes. Very very intense. Both episodes that have been directed by Edward James Olmos have been superb.

I'm in the middle of watching the second new episode right now (second airing -- watched Crossing Jordan "live," since it's broadcast in HD, which I can't record, and this isn't)... After last week's surprising climax (boxed ALL the D'Anna models!), it's looking increasingly like Starbuck might just be one of the remaining Cylon models, or maybe even a "Lord of Kobol" -- particularly considering the drawings she'd done since she was a child that were practically identical to those in the Eye of Jupiter temple.

It just gets more interesting, huh? They're certainly putting Baltar through the wringer, but then he has that coming (if they knew he supplied the Caprica Cylon on Cloud Nine with the Nuke she detonated on it, he'd be getting a heckuvalot MORE, I think, lol)...

Hmmmmmmmmmm, ya have to wonder just WHAT Baltar said to Gaeta to make him try to kill him... Gaeta MUST have done SOMETHING(s) for the Cylons he doesn't want anyone to know about, huh?

Anyway, I have that youtube video cued up, and I'll be watching that as soon as the after-show bonus video finishes playing... From the comments above, it sounds interesting -- and speaking of which, it's interesting that this entire episode didn't spend a minute with Sharon, or Hera, or the Caprica who helped them escape (at least not until this little bonus scene).

I see they're skipping a week -- guess they don't wanna air episodes opposite the Superbowl... Oh well, that's one less thing I have to program around next week, lol.

Happy viewings!
Jeff

Another great episode. Hope the ratings reflect an upswing in viewership. Perhaps I have nothing to worry about, but I am increasingly apprehensive that the series won't be allowed to resolve naturally, and will be cancelled before the end.

You will know the end is here, when they break out the flying sport bikes.

You will know the end is here, when they break out the flying sport bikes.
That will almost be acceptable compared to time travel by hitting the Turbo button on the stick or the super human kids jumping through the trees. Then not only would they have jumped the shark, but jumped straight into it's mouth! haha

Ronald wouldn't do that anyway. He knows anything from the season that no one talks about is to be forgotten. He would find a good point to end at and let it go.

With NBC running BSG episodes on its main network occasionally, and running a good many of them on UHD not long after they've run on Sci-Fi, as well, I'm guessing they're still pretty committed to the show at this point... Of course I have no good way of accessing the Nielsen ratings these days, and the mags show only the top 25 shows for a given week, which is mostly the major networks, but I have a funny feeling that some weeks BSG is hitting even that Top 25.

Not to get too far off topic, but MY biggest concern is that another of my favorite Sci-Fi/mystery dramas is about to get "Lost" before we get all our answers, as ABC is hinting about a series finale date for "Lost," but hasn't indicated yet if that's likely to be this year, next, or when... There SO MANY threads in that show, I think we'd need at least another season to sort it all out, but after the initial season "head rush," it suffered major losses last year, and doing things like taking a 3-month hiatus this year -- plus continually changing the day and time -- AREN'T helping.

Oh well, if it goes, it goes... I survived before, and will after... and while I have to admit "Lost" does have its ups and downs, BSG just seems to get better and better.

Happy Viewings!
Jeff

Can we finally have some closure on the love-square
I agree. The Lee & Dee & Cara & Sam relationship troubles are getting a little out of hand. If this is what I wanted from TV, I'd quit my day job and spend all my time watching All My Children. Yawn...Enough, already!

and whether Baltar is a Cylon????
I'm beginning to wonder now if Gaeta isn't one of the Final Five, and that's what Baltar whispered to him...

~Dan

A nice teaser, the way they dangled Baltar in front of us......I still say he's 100% human, though.

A nice teaser, the way they dangled Baltar in front of us......I still say he's 100% human, though.

Well, if he IS a cylon, it makes at least one plot point silly. If he were actually a sleeper cylon, they wouldn't have had to send #6 in to get the information on the defense grid. They could just have "downloaded" the information from Gaius directly, no?

Well, if he IS a cylon, it makes at least one plot point silly. If he were actually a sleeper cylon, they wouldn't have had to send #6 in to get the information on the defense grid. They could just have "downloaded" the information from Gaius directly, no?

Indeed.

It just points out Baltar's need to rationalize everything. Adama pointed out that Gaius is unable to see himself the way everyone else sees him. In his mind, he's the victim. In his mind, if he's a Cylon, then there's no need to feel guilt (which he doesn't feel anyway). So he doesn't have to feel guilty about not feeling guilty (if that makes any sense). :-)

I like him better as a human anyway, he's more fun to root for/against that way. I'm always torn by this character, I want to see him get his just desserts, but I don't want him dead or permanently imprisoned, the show would suffer for it.

Baltar can't be a Cylon because it ruins everything, not to mention the original premise of him as a traitor. It's far more interesting to the plot to have him be a conflicted human than a Cylon.

If he were a Cylon wouldn't he be dead already, from the diseased probe on the base star that no Cylon could visit without catching it.

He did visit said base-star wearing an enviro-suit.....but yeah, it'd be pretty dumb for Gauis to be non-human. After his treasonous acts, he probably wishes he were.

Humm ... at what point are we supposed to start rooting for The Cylon? Perhaps they're just doing the galaxy a favor. :D

I had to fast forward through a lot of this episode. The whole Starbuck romance thing is pathetic and no longer interesting. It is so stupid its frustrating. The Baltar interrogation scene was pretty cool.

Well, if he IS a cylon, it makes at least one plot point silly. If he were actually a sleeper cylon, they wouldn't have had to send #6 in to get the information on the defense grid. They could just have "downloaded" the information from Gaius directly, no?

Gee, I think I said exactly the same thing about a page back. ;)

What I found odd about this episode, and something that I still haven't figured out is why the scenes in which Balter and Gaeta argued were interspersed with the conversation in which Lee and Dee reconciled. It was as if there was some connection between the two. If there is, I fail to see it. Anyone else notice this or have any ideas?

Baltar also has a point both about himself and about Gaeta.

Balter often literally had a gun pointed at his head. Did he also really allow Gaeta to feed the resistance information? Either Baltar guessed right about Gaeta or he is telling the truth. This makes Baltar a more sympathetic character. Still doesn't explain the nuke though.

One theme that appears to be very clear is that all of this is happening for a reason. It is leading up to something and some characters are destined to play major roles.

What I found odd about this episode, and something that I still haven't figured out is why the scenes in which Balter and Gaeta argued were interspersed with the conversation in which Lee and Dee reconciled. It was as if there was some connection between the two. If there is, I fail to see it. Anyone else notice this or have any ideas?

Baltar also has a point both about himself and about Gaeta.

Balter often literally had a gun pointed at his head. Did he also really allow Gaeta to feed the resistance information? Either Baltar guessed right about Gaeta or he is telling the truth. This makes Baltar a more sympathetic character. Still doesn't explain the nuke though.

One theme that appears to be very clear is that all of this is happening for a reason. It is leading up to something and some characters are destined to play major roles.

It would be true if both Gaeta and Baltar were in the same position, but I didn't get the sense that Gaeta was making any ultimate decisions--just running as the lackey for the president. Gaeta never had a gun to his head because he never had to do anything as heinous as order executions, like Baltar, so their situations are vastly different. Gaeta was more valuable to the resistance as a mole, and in that sense he is a hero. Baltar rolled over like France at the first opportunity, and ordered the executions to save his own skin. Doesn't sound very heroic to me. They're not even comparable.

...I'm beginning to wonder now if Gaeta isn't one of the Final Five, and that's what Baltar whispered to him...

~Dan

Wouldn't that be a hoot. Gaeta is properly placed to be feeding the cylons destination information.

Maybe he's a cylon who thinks he's a human that thinks he's a cylon who's actually a cylon who thinks that he's human. He's so deep undercover that he doesn't even talk to himself for fear of revealing too much. :D

Gee, I think I said exactly the same thing about a page back. ;)

Impossible. All of my thoughts are original (except for the ones I've borrowed from others) ;)

I'm beginning to wonder now if Gaeta isn't one of the Final Five, and that's what Baltar whispered to him...

~Dan

Has Baltar even seen the faces of the final five? I don't remember him getting that opportunity.

Has Baltar even seen the faces of the final five? I don't remember him getting that opportunity.

I don't believe he did. But Baltar tested everyone with his "cylon detector" so he knows who is and isn't one. He could just have whispered, "I know you are a cylon" to Gaeta and that triggered the kill response.

Wouldn't that be a hoot. Gaeta is properly placed to be feeding the cylons destination information.

Maybe he's a cylon who thinks he's a human that thinks he's a cylon who's actually a cylon who thinks that he's human. He's so deep undercover that he doesn't even talk to himself for fear of revealing too much. :D

I still think that if anybody is still a Cylon mole, it has to be Dee.

The 7 cylon models that we know are:
Deanna
Caprica 6
Brother Cavil
Starbuck's "husband"
Boomer
Dr. Ovary
???

Who am I missing? If we only know 6, what happened to the other one that is not one of the "mysterious five"? Are we assuming that there is still a model out there that we don't know about?

So when we say that Gaeta or Starbuck or someone else may be a cylon, do we mean one of the 7, or one of the 5?

EDIT: ACHH. I forgot the dude who was left on the armory--the tour guide.

OK--so we know all 7 models, and now Deanna has been boxed, so they are really down to 6.

Greetings

Doral
Simon
D'anna
Boomer
Leoben
Caprica
Cavil

Regards

I still think that if anybody is still a Cylon mole, it has to be Dee.

Well, no argument there. She is also placed high enough in C&C to have all the information she needs to be a great mole for the cylons.

Well, no argument there. She is also placed high enough in C&C to have all the information she needs to be a great mole for the cylons.

SHe could have sold humanity out a LONG time ago if that were her role. She could have sabotaged the rescue mission off New Caprica if that were the case. Not sold, she's too obvious.

SHe could have sold humanity out a LONG time ago if that were her role. She could have sabotaged the rescue mission off New Caprica if that were the case. Not sold, she's too obvious.

Hide in plain sight?

Actually, I'm not disagreeing with you. They've dropped too many hints about Kara's "destiny", that my money actually is on her, with all her flaws, being more than she appears.

now that they've practically proven that Baltar isn't a Cylon, its pretty obvious that he really will be now :D

LOL ... you could have a point there ... if only they had a functioning "Cylon detector."

People keep asking about who saw what in that temple when the light from the Nova came through the Eye of Jupiter and created the, for lack of a better word, "diorama..."

My take on that was that the scene was visible ONLY to someone who was actually INSIDE the "diorama," itself, essentially "bathed in its light," as was D'anna, who promptly died afterwards, her eyes appearing seared as if having stared directly at the midday sun too long, or something... This would explain why, although Baltar was just a few feet away, he saw nothing but her, yet she saw all five of the white-robed figures.

However, I COULD BE WRONG, as I'm still pretty much in an addled daze, sort of "blinded," myself, from viewing all those HOT PICS of Tricia Disha Six on that link a couple of pages back... and then, worse yet... SOMEBODY had to go and suggest that ALL actresses be required to pose for "Playboy," and I immediately thought of a worst-case scenario...

So now, my mind is playing tricks on me, sort of "flickering" like a flourescent bulb on its last legs between the burned-in images of the "godly" nude body of Tricia Helfer and my TERRIFYING imagined nude images of Roseanne Barr! :eek:

Please, people, when you make statements like THAT, make SURE to qualify them by saying things such as "all BEAUTIFUL actresses..." PLEASE!!!

Really! :p :D
Geesh! ;)
Jeff

My take on that was that the scene was visible ONLY to someone who was actually INSIDE the "diorama," itself, essentially "bathed in its light," as was D'anna, who promptly died afterwards, her eyes appearing seared as if having stared directly at the midday sun too long, or something... This would explain why, although Baltar was just a few feet away, he saw nothing but her, yet she saw all five of the white-robed figures.

That was my impression, as well.

Has the idea been forwarded that Baltar is the human creator or progenitor of the humanoid Cylons?

My idea is that in a former life, Baltar was afflicted with a fatal disease (Cancer, probably, as cylon blood apparently cures it) and in his research found a way to perpetuate himself by downloading his consciousness to a new host. Lacking the technology to handle the data transfer, but nevertheless having knowledge of human physiology, he brokered a deal with the machine cylons to give them what they wanted: a link to the biologically diverse beings that created them, in exchange for the technology to accomplish the transfer of consciousness. At the same time, he took his friends/cohorts/lovers/test subjects with him, in the form of clones.

In this way, he is not truly a cylon, and yet, not completely human either.

The theory fits with his high regard for self-preservation, his technical expertise, his knowlege of physiology, and his link to Six. Perhaps Six was a lover who he linked consciousness to his own.

hithere... i've surmised that Baltar is likley 'the first' or the skinjobs... and therefore unique in that he doesn't 'download' and such. whether that means he's more advanced or less advanced is anyone's guess...

I'd wager that downloading, programming, and cloning would come AFTER you get a few... lets say 5 models out of the way first...

Certainly not the same as your analysis... but not that far from it.
Wouldn't surprise me if they were giving Baltar into a Dr. Sung/Data type origin.

Has the idea been forwarded that Baltar is the human creator or progenitor of the humanoid Cylons?

My idea is that in a former life, Baltar was afflicted with a fatal disease (Cancer, probably, as cylon blood apparently cures it) and in his research found a way to perpetuate himself by downloading his consciousness to a new host. Lacking the technology to handle the data transfer, but nevertheless having knowledge of human physiology, he brokered a deal with the machine cylons to give them what they wanted: a link to the biologically diverse beings that created them, in exchange for the technology to accomplish the transfer of consciousness. At the same time, he took his friends/cohorts/lovers/test subjects with him, in the form of clones.

In this way, he is not truly a cylon, and yet, not completely human either.

The theory fits with his high regard for self-preservation, his technical expertise, his knowlege of physiology, and his link to Six. Perhaps Six was a lover who he linked consciousness to his own.

Not to disparage your theory, but I think it's more likely he's a horny idiot :-)

or perhaps both!

or perhaps both!

lol :-)

The idea of Baltar as the "progenitor" of the Cylons as stated above has a good deal of merit to it except for one glaring question I can't fathom... IF he did all that, WHY ON KOBOL would he not REMEMBER any of it?

What would be his purpose in curing his cancer by cloning himself with the help of the mechanical Cylons, developing humaniod Cylons in the process and creating himself a "love partner" in the process, then FORGETTING ALL OF IT???

Of course I guess it's entirely possible if that scenario played out, the Cylons could have erased his memory, themselves, but if they did, then they would have known it and had NO REASON to be treating him like some sort of potential Colonial spy on their Base Ship, like they did.

So that's where the "horny idiot" theory comes back to holding a bit more weight, again, I think.
Jeff

The idea of Baltar as the "progenitor" of the Cylons as stated above has a good deal of merit to it except for one glaring question I can't fathom... IF he did all that, WHY ON KOBOL would he not REMEMBER any of it?

What would be his purpose in curing his cancer by cloning himself with the help of the mechanical Cylons, developing humaniod Cylons in the process and creating himself a "love partner" in the process, then FORGETTING ALL OF IT???

Of course I guess it's entirely possible if that scenario played out, the Cylons could have erased his memory, themselves, but if they did, then they would have known it and had NO REASON to be treating him like some sort of potential Colonial spy on their Base Ship, like they did.

So that's where the "horny idiot" theory comes back to holding a bit more weight, again, I think.
Jeff

Perhaps his memories are too painful. What about guilt? "Sooner or later we have to face the things we've done" or whatever. Would you want, even if you were promised protection, to remember having sold out your race? Or how about having to contend with several lifetimes worth of memories? Or perhaps the memory transfer isn't perfect from a human host that hasn't been born into the collective.

That, and there's the security aspect, you can't divulge what you don't remember. The technology associated with the Cylons is banned.

As for the cylons not being cognizant...they don't even know who these "final five" are...perhaps in the repetition of history that Six refers to, Baltar represents a Christ figure whose "second coming" or rebirth signals armageddon and exodus? It just fits too well to be discounted, imho.

Hide in plain sight?

Actually, I'm not disagreeing with you. They've dropped too many hints about Kara's "destiny", that my money actually is on her, with all her flaws, being more than she appears.

I was thinking maybe Kera could already be a Hybrid. They wanted her ovaries to fine tune the procreation aspect. Something about Kera and her ability to have children really interested the cylons more so then the regular stock of humans.

I don't know... I get the impression this is supposed to be the first generation of humanoid Cylons... In fact, if you recall, on the first season (or was it the mini-series), Adama and the fleet were SURPRISED to discover there even WAS any such thing as a "skin job," not knowing any humanoid-type Cylons even existed until they caught one they knew to be identical to someone who was supposed to be dead, or something (I don't remember the exact details).

Of course that doesn't mean the "skin jobs" couldn't have been around for quite some time, just that the humans didn't know it... This is what's so great about fiction -- particularly science fiction -- even MORE particularly science fiction in a slightly "alternate" universe... the writers can do pretty much whatever they want, so long as they maintain continuity and some semblance of real science and "common sense," huh?

I believe it's called "the willing suspension of disbelief," and as long as the writer(s) do a decent job with continuity and REAL SCIENCE (where it applies), the audience will agree to suspend it, I think.

As for me, the StupidBowl caused us to have to skip a week on our beloved show, so I'm "Jonesin'" just a bit... can't WAIT for NEXT Sunday... can YOU??? ;)

Well again I fell asleep during the last episode the fourth time I try to see it, must of been a yawner. I need to down load it whats it called.

I was thinking maybe Kera could already be a Hybrid. They wanted her ovaries to fine tune the procreation aspect. Something about Kera and her ability to have children really interested the cylons more so then the regular stock of humans.

not necessarily...one plausible explanation is that they believed that Kara had a "destiny"...so they couldn't just put her in one of their farms to make babies...so they did they next best thing: took her ovaries and sent her back to fulfill her destiny...

I don't know... I get the impression this is supposed to be the first generation of humanoid Cylons... In fact, if you recall, on the first season (or was it the mini-series), Adama and the fleet were SURPRISED to discover there even WAS any such thing as a "skin job," not knowing any humanoid-type Cylons even existed until they caught one they knew to be identical to someone who was supposed to be dead, or something (I don't remember the exact details).



Having recently watched the reairing of the miniseries on UHD, Adama first realizes that a person stranded on a space station is a Cylon (the Kara's "husband" model) because he is getting sick (can't exactly recall why, something about the location the space station).

Having recently watched the reairing of the miniseries on UHD, Adama first realizes that a person stranded on a space station is a Cylon (the Kara's "husband" model) because he is getting sick (can't exactly recall why, something about the location the space station).

It was located in a radiation field that harms cylons but not humans. That's why they put the base station there.

It was located in a radiation field that harms cylons but not humans. That's why they put the base station there.

I thought that was odd, because when they built that armory station, there weren't any humanoid Cylons. How would they have known how the radiation would affect them? One presumes the "toasters" are just machines, not biological in nature, and would not be affected.

And HDNair, the model you're referring to is called "Leoben".

I thought that was odd, because when they built that armory station, there weren't any humanoid Cylons. How would they have known how the radiation would affect them? One presumes the "toasters" are just machines, not biological in nature, and would not be affected.

And HDNair, the model you're referring to is called "Leoben".

'cylon technology' was the quote loeben used.

I thought that was odd, because when they built that armory station, there weren't any humanoid Cylons. How would they have known how the radiation would affect them? One presumes the "toasters" are just machines, not biological in nature, and would not be affected.

And HDNair, the model you're referring to is called "Leoben".

Taking a wild leap of logic here:

The opening credits claim that the Cylons "evolved". The present day toasters don't even talk, but the toaster models in the past were presumably intelligent enough to design the humanoid models (barring any outside revelation about human "help").

So, if the bio models started out as toaster models, presumably the radiation would be lethal to the toasters as well.

Or not.

Hmmmmmmmm, Peter (or are you Gary?) :p Interesting thoughts (and images) are now springing to mind here... If ya look at those mechanical Cylons, they're narrow-waisted, with broad "chests and shoulders," kinda like the classic "hunk" football player... Suddenly I have this image where they captured all these humans and began "experimenting" with them in various ways, trying to do upgrades, trying a number of various things including "doin' the WILD THANG" with a buncha different TOTALLY FREAKED OUT (and presumably very soon after VERY DEAD) humans to see if they could "upgrade" the way humans do (or at least have "a little fun" trying) :D

Truthfully, I don't know if the "toasters" even have "fun," but I'm having LOTS of it imagining all the kinky things they might have done with real humans in the process of creating the "skin-job" upgrades! :rolleyes: :cool:

I know... I know... I'm sick, and evil... but don'tyajustlove it... just a little??? :eek:
Jeff

Hmmmmmmmm, Peter (or are you Gary?) :p Interesting thoughts (and images) are now springing to mind here... If ya look at those mechanical Cylons, they're narrow-waisted, with broad "chests and shoulders," kinda like the classic "hunk" football player... Suddenly I have this image where they captured all these humans and began "experimenting" with them in various ways, trying to do upgrades, trying a number of various things including "doin' the WILD THANG" with a buncha different TOTALLY FREAKED OUT (and presumably very soon after VERY DEAD) humans to see if they could "upgrade" the way humans do (or at least have "a little fun" trying) :D

Truthfully, I don't know if the "toasters" even have "fun," but I'm having LOTS of it imagining all the kinky things they might have done with real humans in the process of creating the "skin-job" upgrades! :rolleyes: :cool:

I know... I know... I'm sick, and evil... but don'tyajustlove it... just a little??? :eek:
Jeff

OK, that's just wrong.

Now I have images of "Cylons Gone Wild" running through my brain. :eek:

There does, however, have to be an explanation as to why the original Cylons decided to adopt a human appearance. I suppose the answer could have been nothing more complicated than they wanted a way to inflitrate humans and destroy from within.

Given this show, though, I would guess there will be a more surprising reason revealed one of these days.

"Cylons Gone Wild???"

Oh Peter, DUUUUDE, I like the way you think! Actually, I'm thinking that could make a really interesting scene on the show, huh?

Who knows??? Could happen...

"Cylons Gone Wild???"

Oh Peter, DUUUUDE, I like the way you think! Actually, I'm thinking that could make a really interesting scene on the show, huh?

Who knows??? Could happen...

Buy the DVD "Cylons Gone Wild" for $9.99 and we'll throw in the "Skin-Job's Gone Wild on Caprica" for free!

So why do I get this feeling we're missing a part of the story? Why are these people coming to Galatica???

Wow, two lame episodes in a row!! I hope there is something good next week.

So why do I get this feeling we're missing a part of the story? Why are these people coming to Galatica???

I thought the exact same thing - a friend of mine even called asking the same question.

Did you notice they played a quick part at the end of the "previously on..." where it said Helo had been reassigned. Odd...and weakly done.

I'm not worried about the show yet, but it's lost some mid season steam here.

um and what is up with the bonus scene? Helo admits to venting the air and killing the Cylons and Adama just goes "You sure you want to have this conversation" and then it ends....WTF?

Two seconds about Baltar's trial? Thats it....Doesn't look like next week is about the trial either...the momentum has really slowed down and its a shame...at one point in the time, this show was professional about maintain momentum and tension, now it seems like they've completely lost that. Its not to say that the show isn't good...its just seems poorly strung together, like the writers aren't talking to each other about future episodes...

Finally, why does Zerek think that the flight will tear itself apart because of the trial? I just find the whole storyline under-developed....

So why do I get this feeling we're missing a part of the story? Why are these people coming to Galatica???
It almost seems like they didn't air the episode that would have aired last week, weird...

Give them time...

"They have a plan."

It almost seems like they didn't air the episode that would have aired last week, weird...

Or maybe they edited some scenes out of previous episodes due to time constraints, and just included it in the previews so they'd understand.

I wasn't too into this episode, but season 3 has for the most part met the high standards set by the show, so I'm gonna cut them slack.

Oh good, I thought it was just me.

This seemed a very odd episode. For a story that dealt with racism and religious intolerance, it was strangely uncompelling. We finally see that the fleet does indeed have another physician, but he turns out to be a "Doctor Death".

I suspect, though, that episodes like these are the calm before the storm. They would have to be, otherwise the show would become a typical soap opera dealing with the angst of the fleet members. Actually, you can also only have just so many episodes where the plot is, "Yikes the Cylons have found us! Let's have a battle. Now, quick, engage FTL. Well, we got through that one." That was the problem with the original series.

As much as I like this show, it needs to have a Babylon 5 type of arc where the fleet eventually does reach Earth. At that point, they at least have some leeway as to how the series can continue depending upon what period of time Earth is in. I know that gets dangerously close to Galactica 1980 territory, but in the hands of these producers and writers they could probably reimage even that and make it compelling.

Just more filler, at the beginning when they show previously on the show, there was no mention of Baltar being tortured. I want scifi, no matter how stereotypical not days of our lives

Yeah this whole thing was weird. I was surprised I couldn't remember that "previously on..." part with Helo. Makes much more sense now that everyone else was having the same trouble. And did anyone ever figure out why all the Sagittaron's were coming to Galactica?

A standalone episode in the middle of S3...yuck. The only hope I had for this episode was that when I saw it was Helo-centric there was a chance he would die, heh.

Or maybe they edited some scenes out of previous episodes due to time constraints, and just included it in the previews so they'd understand.

I wasn't too into this episode, but season 3 has for the most part met the high standards set by the show, so I'm gonna cut them slack.


Nah its a Web episode called the "Woman King" About 1:30 min:
http://video.scifi.com/player.html?dlid=61322

BSG puts online content that enhances the show and its normally shown for a limited time.

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

Pretty weak episode last night, I'd agree. After the greatness of the Baltar stuff last week, this one really fell flat. I did laugh at Roslin spying on Caprica, and wondering what the heck she was doing in there! heh

Over at the Skiffy boards, someone who spoke with Ron Moore and David Eick last night at the WGAs said they both confirmed there will be a Season 4 with 13 episodes and a TV movie. At first I was disappointed about fewer episodes, but my hope now is that a 13 episode run will encourage TPTB to run a tighter ship. Less filler, please!

Six "seeing" Baltar in the cell with her is something new isn't it? Have we ever seen that before? It's always been the other way around...this whole episode sort of threw me for a loop, I really feel as if I've missed some crucial information.

Six "seeing" Baltar in the cell with her is something new isn't it? Have we ever seen that before? It's always been the other way around...this whole episode sort of threw me for a loop, I really feel as if I've missed some crucial information.

Nah I cant remember the episode but then they where back on Caprica we saw "six" with a Baltar in her head. Just been a while (like last season) since we have seen it. I think this is due to Baltar really being there and now that she is alone he's re-surfaces.

Nah its a Web episode called the "Woman King" About 1:30 min:
http://video.scifi.com/player.html?dlid=61322


I was referring to some scenes from the "previously on" section, where they talk about the Sagitarons (sp?) coming aboard the ship, Helo being transferred to supervise, and him possibly being overmatched.

Oh yeah that was random.

um and what is up with the bonus scene? Helo admits to venting the air and killing the Cylons and Adama just goes "You sure you want to have this conversation" and then it ends....WTF?The bonus scenes shown each week are just sneak peak of the online bonus scene. You have to go to SciFi.com to see the entire scene.

Nah I cant remember the episode but then they where back on Caprica we saw "six" with a Baltar in her head. Just been a while (like last season) since we have seen it. I think this is due to Baltar really being there and now that she is alone he's re-surfaces.

It was way back when they first showed the Cylon's history...way back when Six first downloaded on Caprica and became Caprica-Six....Baltar showed up in her head...

When I tried to go on SciFi.com last night, the damn site was so slow, it couldn't even load the menus....maybe putting bonus content on there isn't such a good idea until they figure out how to manage the influx in load

Finally got around to watching the DVR of last night's episode. Gak, what a waste of hard disk space. How can a show be so phenominally great one moment, and such pointless crap the next? Total, unabsorbing filler. Find the writer and space him before he does any more damage.

All I can figure is that when the nuclear blast obliterated "Caprica Six" as she used her body to shield Gaius, somehow, the two of them became "psychically linked," but only her particular "model," and, of course, him.

The bad thing (for both of them) is that Baltar doesn't know she sees a "phantom" him talking to her all the time, and she doesn't know about the "phantom her." So it's almost like they're giving each other the punishment they deserve, in a sense, a punishment worse than any they can be given by anyone else.

As for those Saggittarons, hmmmmph, they sure brighten up a place, huh?

The best part was caprica and Roslyn, when caprica laid down, I thought Roslyn mite lay down with her. :D I know.

Not a great episode (The Woman King) but Col. Tigh was in classic form.
He's getting more gruff every episode.
When informed the Saggittarons had the xxxx disease "...and they're welcome to it!"
His best line from the episode "... they're a bunch of root-sucking jackasses..."
Tigh and Doc Cottle- a real bunch of cheerleaders.:D

When they went thru that expanse, people were transferred to the Galactica because of the better shielding. Since they lost some ships in the process, they have no where to put them. That is the way I took it. It really wasn't explained though. Or am I missing something?

Tigh and Doc Cottle- a real bunch of cheerleaders.:DYeah; set 'em up with a carton of Lucky's and a fifth of Jack, and they're good to go... ;) :D

When they went thru that expanse, people were transferred to the Galactica because of the better shielding. Since they lost some ships in the process, they have no where to put them. That is the way I took it. It really wasn't explained though. Or am I missing something?


Tou have it correct.


:)

His best line from the episode "... they're a bunch of root-sucking jackasses..."

I was particularly fond of "you might want to get that hand checked out".

I'm going to have to use that the next time I get caught with a right hook to the jaw.

While not a great episode, IMHO it was a welcome respite from the Apollo - Starbuck - Dee love quadrangle. I prefer Helo - Sharon Agathon - Baltar - Number 6 (Caprica) anytime to the quadrangle.

Not a great episode (The Woman King) but Col. Tigh was in classic form.
He's getting more gruff every episode.
When informed the Saggittarons had the xxxx disease "...and they're welcome to it!"
His best line from the episode "... they're a bunch of root-sucking jackasses..."
Tigh and Doc Cottle- a real bunch of cheerleaders.:D

I couldn't agree more... I used to REALLY dislike Tigh's character, because he was ALWAYS so gung-ho and so angry and thought everybody was the enemy -- really such a "plastic character." But it's gotten to be a little bit of fun sometimes, with lines like the rootsucking jackasses, and so forth, lol.

That "bloopers" reel, which was mostly fake bloopers, based on Cottle and Tigh, a good one for the next reel would be someone walks around a corner and catches the two of the lying in bed, making out, dressed in women's underwear, or something like that -- i.e., something TOTALLY out of character for them... would be hilarious, I think. :p

(ref Tigh & Doc Cottle) Yeah; set 'em up with a carton of Lucky's and a fifth of Jack, and they're good to go... ;) :D
You know... I just came up with a new job for both Tigh and Cottle;
They could be the co-leaders of the "Galactica Welcoming Committee" - kind of like our neighborhood "Welcome Wagon" ladies here on Earth. Any visiting aliens of the week, benevolent or hostile would be processed through the "Galactica Welcoming Committee" before the official meet & greet with Adama and so on.
What do you all think? :eek: :eek:

You know... I just came up with a new job for both Tigh and Cottle;
They could be the co-leaders of the "Galactica Welcoming Committee" - kind of like our neighborhood "Welcome Wagon" ladies here on Earth. Any visiting aliens of the week, benevolent or hostile would be processed through the "Galactica Welcoming Committee" before the official meet & greet with Adama and so on.
What do you all think? :eek: :eek:*Hee-hee* Excellent. You do realize I stole one-half of that quote from you? At least I think that was you (from last season). :p

*Hee-hee* Excellent. You do realize I stole one-half of that quote from you? At least I think that was you (from last season). :p
I knew that "carton of Lucky’s" phrase seemed familiar :D :D :D

It looks like Lucy will be boxed for awhile. She is going to be on some new show.

While not a great episode, IMHO it was a welcome respite from the Apollo - Starbuck - Dee love quadrangle.


Yes and yes

Yes and yes

Yeah, now they better make up for it NEXT episode with loads of writhing, naked Caprica Sixes and Sharons and Callies and whoever else is HOT (OK, a Helo or Apollo or two for the ladies, too, if need be), interspersed with lots of good blood-and-guts shoot-em-outs and at least one or two new shockers plus some new shocking mystery to chew on.

Should we be so lucky? :p

saw a preview, looks like the chief and callie get locked out on a deck with an airlock leak or something. maybe next time? :)

I was considering the Baltar treason trial- if it ever happens.
Like everyone else- I'd like to get my pound of flesh out of the little fracker, but... he could always use the "temporary insanity" defense.
Is there anyone left on Galactica who hasn't seen Baltar talking to/fondling an imaginary # Six in a corridor or even in the CIC? Remember the brain scan session with Doc Cottle? "Will you stop going crazy in there!!" Remember the time Starbuck walked in on him in his lab with his pants unzipped and his.. thingy... in his hands? The attempted suicide? And did they ever confirm where the nuke came from that destroyed those colonial ships?
The man is clearly deluded, psychotic, paranoid, schizoid, etc....
I would love to see the trial, but hope they don't use the old "insanity" defense as an easy way out..

Personally, I think it would be "interesting" if they finally DO figure out the VERY intimate relationship between Baltar and the particular "Six" they have in a cell now, then lock them in a cell together with all the normal amenities for living (bed, bath, chairs, running water, eating utensils...) EVERYTHING, except ONE THING -- FOOD... and just leave them there like that, FOR GOOD, in a public area with a clear view from the hallway, where anyone can come by at any time and see if one has started trying to eat the other yet :p

(This is NOT an original idea with me... one of the "Creepy" or similar comic books way back in the 70s had a story like this where some mad scientist "proves" love isn't real to a young couple in love in a similar manner. I never read the comic {didn't buy that trash, lol} just had the story told to me by another kid who DID buy it.)

Anyway, they'll never do anything like that, but yaneverknow, huh?

It looks like Lucy will be boxed for awhile. She is going to be on some new show.

:(

Part way through the episode, when it became apparent this was a stand-alone, I thought I wouldn't be all that interested. And while the pacing of the show was a little off, I thought the actor that played Helo did a great job, and there was some pretty good tension throughout. By the end, I was pretty happy with the episode, and actually found that I enjoyed the little vacation from the overall arc.

Finally get to see the exodus from New Carpica tonight on UHD...in Hi Def :D

Wish Sci-Fi would go HiDef for this and other shows...kind of sucks having to wait to see it in HiDef :mad:

It was good the first time around, should be better this time... :)

Thanks for the reminder... I'm watching "Hollow Man 2" on Sci-Fi right now (only because it has good sound and the Guide gave it 2 stars -- RARE for their Saturday-night fare), but UHD is replaying the BSG episode at 12:30, so I'll catch it then...

If I remember correctly, the guide only rated the first "Hollow Man" 1 Star, so this higher rating, alone, has me intrigued, although it would be better if I could see the unedited, commercial-free version (but I don't care enough to rent or buy it).

Heck, I rent or buy almost nothing, lol.

Pretty ho-hum tonight. Not much going on, filler for the most part. I disliked the Adama memories -- they had too much of a LOST feel without really adding much to the show. Next week looks like more filler as well. They really need to get the season moving again. I mean, come on, a strike?

They are in the worst possible place for a show like this: in the middle. I suspect that these "filler" episodes may be the series.

Ever see the movie Stand By Me? The boys are sitting around the campfire discussing critical 12 year old boy issues and the Will Wheaton character says, "Wagon Train is a really cool show, but did you ever notice how they never get anywhere? They just keep Wagontraining!"

With this show, it is the journey, not the destination. It's not that there aren't a lot of stories that can be told: the whole "how did the Cylons become humanoid?", "who is their god?", etc. but all of those would be "filler" as well.

Without getting into spoilers, though, I understand that the producers do have "something" in store for later on.

Just hang on until March 4. I believe that's when they start gearing up for their dash to the season finale.

Well, every ep can't be an Emmy winner. Don't think they've ever shown Adama's wife before, and like what they did with her. It first appeared she was literally in bed with him (almost fooled Tigh as well), but I guess he was simply dreaming. And Lee provided some insight on her as well. I wonder if she might 'show-up' again.

I didn't get the feeling at all that they were ripping off Lost. But as long as they don't make this a regular habit, the show will be okay.

I am going to hang on, as I have nothing better to watch on Sunday nights. That being said I won't be back next season if it continues on like this. My best friend has already dumped the show, as his discontent started in the fall.

Pretty ho-hum tonight. Not much going on, filler for the most part. I disliked the Adama memories -- they had too much of a LOST feel without really adding much to the show. Next week looks like more filler as well. They really need to get the season moving again. I mean, come on, a strike?
Actually, while it was by no means the strongest episode, I liked the Chief/Callie aspect, as I think many couples have days when they resent their spouse/family obligations because life without responsibilities would be so much simpler.

Nothing like a life-threatening situation (particularly one which will also affect your children) to bring things into perspective. The whole Chief/Callie entanglement was a rush job during the New Caprica phase that never seemed to resonate well, and appeared to be nothing more than a quick sour grapes wrap-up for the whole Boomer-Helo-Chief triangle. Season 3 seems to be concentrating more on relationships (Chief-Callie, Boomer-Helo, Apollo-Starbuck, Apollo-Dee, Sam-Starbuck, Tigh-Ellen) than any of the preceding years, and although I'm as much of an action-whore as the next guy, the writers on the show have maintained these episodes at a level where they are as thought provoking as the 'political' episodes. I don't see them as so much filler, such as the black-market ship and Dana Delaney hostage episodes of season 2.

I also think it provided a serviceable (but no better) segue for advancing the inevitable Adama-Laura relationship further along.

Finally if the rumors are true that Kara's role in this series is going to end or change dramatically, than it will be important to increase the involvement of what have been considered more secondary characters. Wasn't that the point with last week's episode focusing on Helo? I hope that Doc Cottle gets more airtime as well.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

What I found interesting was the fact that Adama appeared to be "projecting", much like a cylon apparently does (6 told Baltar that Cylons project themselves in different places, which is why the Baseship looked so sterile to Baltar). It had kind of a Baltar/6 type of feel to it as well, with Adama's wife commenting on the goings-on of the day.

Of course, it could have also been just a theatrical device to illustrate Adama's thoughts and feelings, but--what if it is meant to be more? After all, Xena recognized one of the lost cylons, right? Could it be Adama?

That being said I won't be back next season if it continues on like this. My best friend has already dumped the show, as his discontent started in the fall.Agreed. The last few episodes have not impressed me. BG seems more and more like a mid-day soap than it does a sci-fi action series. Perhaps this was done to reduce the cost of each episode -- I don't know -- but I do not care at all for the way the writers/producers are dragging everything out this season. I prefer shows that operate at a much faster pace.

What I found interesting was the fact that Adama appeared to be "projecting", much like a cylon apparently does (6 told Baltar that Cylons project themselves in different places, which is why the Baseship looked so sterile to Baltar). It had kind of a Baltar/6 type of feel to it as well, with Adama's wife commenting on the goings-on of the day.

Of course, it could have also been just a theatrical device to illustrate Adama's thoughts and feelings, but--what if it is meant to be more? After all, Xena recognized one of the lost cylons, right? Could it be Adama?

yup, I got that feeling too...but I couldn't tell if it was meant to be like that to lead us in the wrong direction, or if it was actual foreshadowing

Not the greatest ep in the series...but also not the worst...It definitely seems like Baltar's trial is going to be the season finale...they aren't pushing towards it very fast, just kind of hinting at it....

Also, the only Cylon who has been shown in the past 2 (3?) weeks has been Athena and Capica 6 aboard Galatica....pretty weird....

Agreed. The last few episodes have not impressed me. BG seems more and more like a mid-day soap than it does a sci-fi action series.
Well, I'll certainly go along with keeping the 'soap' aspects more restrained than they have been, BUT....you lost me with that last part.

BSG has not garnered all the those glowing reviews and praise for its political and moral savvy, nor its generally erudite audience, because it is a "sci-fi action series". If anything, I think many would best describe it as a 'drama' that happens to take place in a sci-fi setting. Do I appreciate the action sequences that occur infrequently? Hell, yeah, it makes the show more fun.

But I think characterizing it simply as a sci-fi actioner does it a disservice, and does not accurately describe the sensibilities that are at its core.

I prefer shows that operate at a much faster pace.
Okay, I can understand that. But it kind of begs the issue that your preference may not reflect Ron Moore's intent.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

I actually really really liked the Baltar interrogation episode, despite the Starbuck/Apollo stuff. But the last two weeks have been unfortunate. If you look back at Season 2.5, it is largely redeemed IMHO by five episodes (Res. Ship I and II, Downloaded, and Lay Down Your Burdens I and II). The other five episodes were a lot like what we're seeing the past couple weeks - filler. Some of those filler ep's were better than others and one stunk to high heaven (Black Market). I'd say The Woman King was this season's Black Market. Last night's episode was just very average, and I expect much much more from this show.

Having said all that, I'm still looking forward to seeing what's going to happen. I expect they'll have a big shock for us in the coming weeks and the finale will leave us wanting more.

It's not that I'm dying for non-stop action (though that can be great as well -- Exodus Part 2 being the best example of this in the series to date), but there are much more interesting questions for them to answer. Who are the other five Cylons? What is their purpose? Why don't the other Cylons know who they are? I don't expect them to answer all of this in a single ep info-dump, but parsing out hints and clues here and there would be welcome. Instead they seem to be all but ignored.

I am a latecomer to BSG, and ended up renting seasons 1, 2.0 and 2.5. It was much more enjoyable watching it this way, because if I felt an episode fell kind of flat, I just watched the next one, which usually redeemed the weaker one. Now, I have to suffer through only one episode per week. Oh, the humanity!

It's not that I'm dying for non-stop action (though that can be great as well -- Exodus Part 2 being the best example of this in the series to date), but there are much more interesting questions for them to answer. Who are the other five Cylons? What is their purpose? Why don't the other Cylons know who they are? I don't expect them to answer all of this in a single ep info-dump, but parsing out hints and clues here and there would be welcome. Instead they seem to be all but ignored.

...then it would become Lost (in Space).

Maybe I'm in the minority but I've really enjoyed the last three episodes. It's been what I like about BSG - writing and execution. This show is better than almost everything else I watch.

I actually really really liked the Baltar interrogation episode, despite the Starbuck/Apollo stuff.
Same here. I don't think I ever really gave James Gallis' somewhat over-the-top performance enough credit until that episode. He really makes this show work. :cool:

If you look back at Season 2.5, it is largely redeemed IMHO by five episodes (Res. Ship I and II, Downloaded, and Lay Down Your Burdens I and II).
Oh, we’re on a roll here for the first three, and if you haven’t seen Res. Ship and Exodus I and II in HD on UHD yet, you’re in for a treat. I know this is O.T., but I’ve gotten to the point where I really resent the SciFi SD feed, knowing that in just a few months the PQ is going to make a huge leap.

I am a latecomer to BSG, and ended up renting seasons 1, 2.0 and 2.5. It was much more enjoyable watching it this way, because if I felt an episode fell kind of flat, I just watched the next one, which usually redeemed the weaker one.
After months of listenting to me sing its praises, one of my closest friends decided to watch the mini-series repeat and The Story So Far, and then jump into the start of Season 3.5 (despite my warnings), which confused the hell out of him. Now he’s racing through renting all the seasons in a quest to figure out who’s frakkin’ who (both literally and figuratively). ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

BSG has not garnered all the those glowing reviews and praise for its political and moral savvy, nor its generally erudite audience, because it is a "sci-fi action series". If anything, I think many would best describe it as a 'drama' that happens to take place in a sci-fi setting. Do I appreciate the action sequences that occur infrequently? Hell, yeah, it makes the show more fun.You are right. I think I really meant sci-fi drama. With these recent episodes, I just feel like I'm watching a soap rather than a sci-fi series, with a near singular focus on relationships. Occasionally we get a two minute sequence where fleet political issues are raised, but it seems like they are just throwing us a bone rather than taking these seriously.

It's not that I'm dying for non-stop action (though that can be great as well -- Exodus Part 2 being the best example of this in the series to date), but there are much more interesting questions for them to answer. Who are the other five Cylons? What is their purpose? Why don't the other Cylons know who they are? I don't expect them to answer all of this in a single ep info-dump, but parsing out hints and clues here and there would be welcome. Instead they seem to be all but ignored.I don't understand why they don't do episodes that give us a glimpse of the cylon perspective since Baltar's exit. For example, what did the other cylons think of Six taking Hera to Galactica? Do they want Hera back?

What efforts are they taking, if any, to find Galactica? Earth?

I still think it's A1, but it seems some episodes are lacking. Though I think it's necessary so it gives insite into the character-like Adama's marriage , but it feels distracting-I want the battle to resume.

AAAARRRRRRGHGHGHG!!!!

When will our beloved show get it's space legs back!?!?!?

I would give Tigh's other eye to cut this fluff filler and get back on arc!

I think this show (much like Lost) is a victim of it's own high standards. When it's good, it's really good, and some viewers come to expect that level of action, intrigue, plot development and answers every week. I just don't think the magic of the most compelling episodes is sustainable every week. Otherwise, you'd end up like 24 - plenty of action and fast pace, but not as thought provoking nor sophisticated (IMHO).

Although I miss the Cylon story arcs as well, I think these "off-topic" episodes are still facinating and outstanding drama for the most part, and as mentioned, better than almost anything else on tv.
Did anyone else think that Adama and Rosylin might kiss during the last episode?

I will continue to watch every week, appreciating the outstanding acting and writing, and enjoy the high points when they come for what they are - high points.

UPDATE: SCI FI has officially confirmed its renewal, ordering "a minimum of 13 episodes" to premiere in January 2008.


Jan 2008? WTF, Season 3 ends here in March, then we have to wait 9.25 months for more. Better hope the Direct to disc movie happens for a summer / fall release.

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2007/02/igalacticai_back_for_season_four.shtml

Yep, that's going to be a long break. I believe it was eight months last year, wasn't it? Didn't apply to me, though, because I spent all last summer watching Seasons 1 & 2 on DVD. Didn't finish up until two weeks before Season 3 began. This will be my first long break from the show. It's gonna suck.

Well, I think the title "A day in the life" kind says it all for the latest episode. Kind of pedestrian, but interesting none the less.

I just watched "Exodus Pt II" in HD last night on my SA8300HD DVR... outstanding!
I loved the combat scenes once the battle kicked in, especially excellent when the Galactica did a low altitude jump into thick atmosphere to launch her Vipers... Galactica in HD rocks!!

Are any of you Babylon 5 fans? I've never seen the show, but heard many positive reviews from like-minded people so I figured my son and I could Netflix the whole series.

Here's the problem, there are 4 or 5 movies that vary in production and Babylon timeline that I want to view in the proper order. I have the Pilot movie (and we are aware not to judge the series based on the Pilot) and then we'll get the first season. What order do I watch the rest of the seasons/movies? I'd prefer to view them as intended/aired, not try to recreate a different order so that the story is sequential (I still view Star Wars IV, V, VI, I, II, III as the proper order. ;) )

Plus I read that one of the movies, in particular, had a story that took place in the past, but you definitely wouldn't want to view it in that spot because it gives away many things in a future season.

Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry for the OT, but didn't want to start a new thread just for this question.

Are any of you Babylon 5 fans? I've never seen the show, but heard many positive reviews from like-minded people so I figured my son and I could Netflix the whole series.

Here's the problem, there are 4 or 5 movies that vary in production and Babylon timeline that I want to view in the proper order. I have the Pilot movie (and we are aware not to judge the series based on the Pilot) and then we'll get the first season. What order do I watch the rest of the seasons/movies? I'd prefer to view them as intended/aired, not try to recreate a different order so that the story is sequential (I still view Star Wars IV, V, VI, I, II, III as the proper order. ;) )

Plus I read that one of the movies, in particular, had a story that took place in the past, but you definitely wouldn't want to view it in that spot because it gives away many things in a future season.

Any advice would be appreciated. Sorry for the OT, but didn't want to start a new thread just for this question.

Here is one suggestion I read:

Start off with the pilot ("The Gathering") but dont be put off by it, its not the best but everything has to start somewhere!

Then watch all of season 1 and season 2, some people will say "watch In the beginning before season 1" and although the events in that film (the earth/mibari war) are before season 1, it is told from 2278 and has a lot of other stuff in it you just will not appreciate until later, not to mention some of the info on sinclair practically ruins season 1 viewing for you.

After season 2, move straight into season 3 and then from season 3 go into season 4...

midway through season 4 between the episodes of "Into the Fire" and "Moments of Transition" is the time to watch "Thirdspace" which is set between these 2 episodes and has no spoilers or anything as it is pretty self contained.

Then continue with season 4. After season 4 is the time to watch "In The Beginning" in my view as it will show stuff from season 3, before season 1 and also some season 4 things, it will also hint at the near future in season 5 and you will really enjoy this film, i believe personally it is the best of the films.

Then watch season 5 upto "Objects at rest" which is the one from last episode, do not watch "sleeping in light" just yet.

After objects at rest watch River Of Souls which is set 6 months after Objects at rest (in 2263) not bad film.

Then watch Legend of the rangers (if you want to watch it) but i wouldnt bother as its awful and not consistent with rest of B5. This is where it fits in timeline wise as it is set 3 years after objects at rest.

After LoTR its time for A Call To Arms, 2nd to in the beginning a good theatrical film introducing the new charaters of the spin off "Crusade". this is set 5 years after season 5. This was kind of pilot for crusade as well as a final movie for b5. If you have the 13 eps of crusade on DVD watch these directly after ACTA, they are good and crusade would have become a great show like B5 if the network would have allowed it to run.

After a call to arms and crusade, you are ready to watch Sleeping in Light and cry with the rest of us that there is no more B5 left to watch! sit back and marvel and think yourself enlighted for seeing such a wonderful show as it was meant to be seen.

You are in for a real treat. In terms of a mini-series with a 5 season arc, it is one of the best.

Wow - thanks for the fast and detailed response. Now I can reorder my queue.

Wow - thanks for the fast and detailed response. Now I can reorder my queue.

My pleasure. I have to watch this series periodically to remind myself how amazing it was (is).

My only disappointment is in the DVD set. Though in 16x9, the "live" shots look great using my Sony 75H player. However, the CGI looks stretched and out of focus.

Oddly enough, it looked better on the old Sony 36" SD TV I had in the bedroom in letterbox format.

Wow - thanks for the fast and detailed response. Now I can reorder my queue.

Dont forget the new B5 Movie (first of many) that is about to come out on DVD, it takes place durring season 5:

B5 The Lost Tales I: Voices in the Dark


it is due out July 2007 on DVD:

I think this show (much like Lost) is a victim of it's own high standards. When it's good, it's really good, and some viewers come to expect that level of action, intrigue, plot development and answers every week. I just don't think the magic of the most compelling episodes is sustainable every week. Otherwise, you'd end up like 24 - plenty of action and fast pace, but not as thought provoking nor sophisticated (IMHO).

Although I miss the Cylon story arcs as well, I think these "off-topic" episodes are still facinating and outstanding drama for the most part, and as mentioned, better than almost anything else on tv.
Did anyone else think that Adama and Rosylin might kiss during the last episode?

I will continue to watch every week, appreciating the outstanding acting and writing, and enjoy the high points when they come for what they are - high points.

Keller, I think we're related, lol.

I agree with your "Lost" analogy very much (although I tend to enjoy even the "slow" episodes of both series, and I also thought Roslyn and Adama were JUST about to kiss before she turned away, and I think that while it's not all that unusual to do that, it's still a sign of rather masterful directing to do things that way... Everyone -- cast, writers, director, producer, etc., KNOWS the audience was wanting and expecting them to kiss at that moment... to bring them SOOOO close, only to have her pull away (for another day) adds just that little bit more tension that keeps the story that much more interesting (and I trust they likely WILL kiss in a future episode if this arc continues).

This is how it's done!
Jeff

hmmmm.....

Adama projecting.....

Maybe there really WAS a Cylon in this little bit of filler after all!

Yep, that's going to be a long break. I believe it was eight months last year, wasn't it? Didn't apply to me, though, because I spent all last summer watching Seasons 1 & 2 on DVD. Didn't finish up until two weeks before Season 3 began. This will be my first long break from the show. It's gonna suck.
Amen to that. I have to admit that withdrawal will be somewhat lessened as the 3.5 episodes show up in HD on UHD, but not by much. 9 frakkin months and a commitment for less episodes next year. This bites. We need to clone Moore. FWIW, I've read that SciFi wants to hang onto BSG for cache purposes (what? They can't get that from the Dresden Files? :rolleyes: ) with the SciFi talent out there, and may bump up the order to 22 eps. But I'm sure not holding my breath on this.

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Laugh if you must, but only two shows have ever given me serious off-season withdrawal: both on ABC... "Alias" and "Lost." And I think the absolute WORST was one season (and now I couldn't tell you which), but one season of Alias that ended with a REAL cliffhanger (and every episode ended with one already) that left more far more suspense and questions hanging than any of the show-ending cliffhangers... I was waiting all summer -- practically breathless every time I thought about it -- then the show TOOK THE FALL OFF ( think that was the first time I'd ever seen a network show do that, too) and didn't resume until January, by which point I was SOOOOOO pissed off and almost over the suspense, lol.

These days, I just don't let it get to me any more... some of the season-ending cliffhangers on "The Dead Zone," with the "nuclear holocaust" stuff almost did, but nawwww, there's so many new shows rotating around, I just put 'em on back burner and wait it out...

Just like I was looking forward to what was SUPPOSED to be a second season of "Invasion" on ABC. They ENDED last year talking like there would be a second season; the last episode of Season 1 Foreshadowed a Second Season; if I remember correctly, they even ended by showing teasers for Season 2 -- a season which quietly, magically just "poof" disappeared.

Go figure. At least THAT has happened to BSG... Not that "Invasion" was as good as BSG, but for what it was, it was a pretty decent Sci-Fi show, and I was really looking forward to a second season -- particularly since "Surface" very well arced itself into a one-season wonder by finishing with NOWHERE TO GO, lol.

But as this IS still the BSG thread, I, too, am ready for some more "hot Cylon action," lol... Sharon Valeri and Caprica Six Jello wrestling would do very nicely :p

Jan 2008? WTF, Season 3 ends here in March, then we have to wait 9.25 months for more. Better hope the Direct to disc movie happens for a summer / fall release.

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2007/02/igalacticai_back_for_season_four.shtml

Enough time to get Sci-Fi-HD up and rolling? God I hope so....

Here is one suggestion I read:

Start off with the pilot ("The Gathering") but dont be put off by it, its not the best but everything has to start somewhere!

Then watch all of season 1 and season 2, some people will say "watch In the beginning before season 1" and although the events in that film (the earth/mibari war) are before season 1, it is told from 2278 and has a lot of other stuff in it you just will not appreciate until later, not to mention some of the info on sinclair practically ruins season 1 viewing for you.

After season 2, move straight into season 3 and then from season 3 go into season 4...

midway through season 4 between the episodes of "Into the Fire" and "Moments of Transition" is the time to watch "Thirdspace" which is set between these 2 episodes and has no spoilers or anything as it is pretty self contained.

Then continue with season 4. After season 4 is the time to watch "In The Beginning" in my view as it will show stuff from season 3, before season 1 and also some season 4 things, it will also hint at the near future in season 5 and you will really enjoy this film, i believe personally it is the best of the films.

Then watch season 5 upto "Objects at rest" which is the one from last episode, do not watch "sleeping in light" just yet.

After objects at rest watch River Of Souls which is set 6 months after Objects at rest (in 2263) not bad film.

Then watch Legend of the rangers (if you want to watch it) but i wouldnt bother as its awful and not consistent with rest of B5. This is where it fits in timeline wise as it is set 3 years after objects at rest.

After LoTR its time for A Call To Arms, 2nd to in the beginning a good theatrical film introducing the new charaters of the spin off "Crusade". this is set 5 years after season 5. This was kind of pilot for crusade as well as a final movie for b5. If you have the 13 eps of crusade on DVD watch these directly after ACTA, they are good and crusade would have become a great show like B5 if the network would have allowed it to run.

After a call to arms and crusade, you are ready to watch Sleeping in Light and cry with the rest of us that there is no more B5 left to watch! sit back and marvel and think yourself enlighted for seeing such a wonderful show as it was meant to be seen.

You are in for a real treat. In terms of a mini-series with a 5 season arc, it is one of the best.

That's pretty much the proper order.

I would throw in though that it depends on how devoted to the show you plan on being ahead of time. Just note that "The Gathering" is (let's face it) terrible and Season 1 is the slowest of all the seasons with many standalone eps. Season 2 picks up a little but things REALLY kick off towards the end of season 2 with seasons 3 and 4 being nothing short of incredible.

If you want a "hook" then "In the Beginning" (as above mentioned first chronologically, though not necessarily when viewing) is amazing and will immediately hook you, but will spoil all of what there is of an arc for season 1 in the process.

You seem like you already understand that it starts slow and are dedicated, so I would follow Peter's viewing order.

I think this show (much like Lost) is a victim of it's own high standards. When it's good, it's really good, and some viewers come to expect that level of action, intrigue, plot development and answers every week. I just don't think the magic of the most compelling episodes is sustainable every week. Otherwise, you'd end up like 24 - plenty of action and fast pace, but not as thought provoking nor sophisticated (IMHO).

It's interesting that Babylon 5 was brought up in this thread because I was going to bring it up here. It's also interesting that you paired BSG and Lost together in this regard, when with respect to the issue at hand (standalones) they're total opposites.

I think the best approach for serialized shows like BSG is the approach Babylon 5 took, where you start out with a fair share of standalone eps that have only a few mentions of the main arc, and as you continue to flesh out the arc more and more in time the standalone eps basically disappear by half way through season 3. This is how B5 did it, and this is also how Lost (which you categorized with BSG instead of opposite it) appears to be doing it as we never really see standalone Lost eps anymore.

I know you were more going for "standards" but in regards to the approach they're taking in regards to how focused on the arc they are in Season 3 they've taken opposite approaches.

You seem like you already understand that it starts slow and are dedicated, so I would follow Peter's viewing order.

Yeah, I've got no problem suffering a slow start for a payoff down the road - even if it is a couple seasons down the road.

B5 is right up there with BSG as favorites, I'm just disappointed in the dvd pressing quality. Luckily BSG is fine and waiting for both in HD on disk.

Amen to that. I have to admit that withdrawal will be somewhat lessened as the 3.5 episodes show up in HD on UHD, but not by much. 9 frakkin months and a commitment for less episodes next year. This bites. We need to clone Moore. FWIW, I've read that SciFi wants to hang onto BSG for cache purposes (what? They can't get that from the Dresden Files? :rolleyes: ) with the SciFi talent out there, and may bump up the order to 22 eps. But I'm sure not holding my breath on this.

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My first reaction to the 13 episode news was disappointment. But when I look at this season's 15 episodes so far, I can honestly say that I could've done without at least five of them. Not that all of those were "bad" - they just weren't up to the high standards I expect out of this show. And this comes from someone who probably counts BSG as one of my two or three favorites shows ever.

So, if cutting the season down to fewer episodes results in higher quality and consistency, then I guess I can live with it.

If anybody reads Michael Muhney (Lamb on Veronica Mars) blog on LiveJournal, he has a post about how Mark Sheppard is writing and directing the last 3 episodes of this season....he said they're going to be amazing....I lived through the filler of Season 2.5 and was grossly rewarded...I'll never leave BSG just because they needed 3-4 episodes to fill the gap between the great stuff...still the best show on TV

Yeah, I've got no problem suffering a slow start for a payoff down the road - even if it is a couple seasons down the road.
It's worth it, I just finished season 4 and have season 5 half here and half on the way and I've definitely enjoyed it. The PQ quality varies depending on the scene, some look as bad as VHS quality, but quite a bit of the close up scenes are very good, the CGI is good and bad as well, but the main reason for watching the series would be the content, I'm glad I finally got around to watching it. I'm sure you'll enjoy it as well.

With B-5, note that the prime story arc really ends with S-4. They didn't know whether or not they'd get a fifth season, so JMS kind of rushed the finale to the 4-year story arc, then had to "retool" for a fifth season, which took a bit of a nosedive in terms of quality. That season also introduced the acting-impaired-but-nice-eye-candy Tracy Scroggins after the odd departure of Claudia Christian as the (earthling) female lead. That was a step back. Never did understand why she left. Money issues?

My recommendation is to avoid the short-lived spin-off series 'Crusade' altogether. It misfires on every level, IMO. The "suits" at TNT wouldn't let JMS make the show he had originally envisioned, and it shows.

Never did understand why she left. Money issues?

My understanding was that it was a contractual issue not mostly involving money, but rather a guarantee of future projects with JMS.

The definitive source for B5 is The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html). For the intended order of all episodes and movies, see here (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html), although, I have to agree with Peter, watching In the Beginning may contain some spoilers for the uninitiated.

Battlestar Galactica has recently been renewed for a fourth season. In addition, it has been announced that there will be what executive producer David Eick has called a "bonus episode" which is to be aired between seasons.

First I've heard of anything between season 3 and 4. Makes that 8-9 months a little more tolerable...

The definitive source for B5 is The Lurker's Guide to Babylon 5 (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/lurker.html). For the intended order of all episodes and movies, see here (http://www.midwinter.com/lurk/countries/master/eplist.html), although, I have to agree with Peter, watching In the Beginning may contain some spoilers for the uninitiated.

Now, on the second viewing of everything, I do agree with the placement of In the Beginning.

Battlestar Galactica has recently been renewed for a fourth season. In addition, it has been announced that there will be what executive producer David Eick has called a "bonus episode" which is to be aired between seasons.

First I've heard of anything between season 3 and 4. Makes that 8-9 months a little more tolerable...

Well that's good news. If the season finale lives up to the advanced publicity, then I suspect it will be real torture to have to wait almost a year for another episode!!!

I think there talking about the BSG DVD movie that will be filmed and released late summer / fall 2007. They said it was a go, if the show was picked up for a 4th season.

Just like I was looking forward to what was SUPPOSED to be a second season of "Invasion" on ABC. They ENDED last year talking like there would be a second season; the last episode of Season 1 Foreshadowed a Second Season; if I remember correctly, they even ended by showing teasers for Season 2 -- a season which quietly, magically just "poof" disappeared.

Go figure. At least THAT has happened to BSG... Not that "Invasion" was as good as BSG, but for what it was, it was a pretty decent Sci-Fi show, and I was really looking forward to a second season

Good to see I wasn't the only one disappointed that this show went away and never came back. Honestly I still can't figure why they cancelled it. If I recall it was pulling in 10s and 11s in the same time slot that Lost is pulling in 12s in now, but with a smaller budget.

Sure, it had a big lead-in (Lost back when it was still a ratings juggernaught), but I never understood why they couldn't just move it instead of totally putting it in the can, and if I'm not mistaken it was bringing in significantly bigger numbers than what they've got running on Wed. night alongside Lost now...

You mean like they did with Daybreak, The Nine, etc. If it wasn't for Lost, then I would never tune into ABC.

Same here, Ericglo. And I've just about had it with Lost.

Jamie Bamer is sure getting around. I saw him on Cold Case on Sunday and tonight on Ghost Whisperer!

I thought I was seeing things. I caught a glance of the CC preview, but didn't see the actual episode.

Jamie Bamer is sure getting around. I saw him on Cold Case on Sunday and tonight on Ghost Whisperer!

Playing a "natural" Brit, or with his American accent?

Playing a "natural" Brit, or with his American accent?


"American" all the way. Just like Hugh Laurie, I was floored the first time I heard him speak his native tongue.

Just wanted to mention two things:


Just watched the Miniseries opening salvo movie and LOVED it!! Now I'm watching the episodes - Amazing stuff for TV. Or for movies.
Peter: WKRP is coming out on DVD in April, in case you haven't heard.

Just wanted to mention two things:


Just watched the Miniseries opening salvo movie and LOVED it!! Now I'm watching the episodes - Amazing stuff for TV. Or for movies.
Peter: WKRP is coming out on DVD in April, in case you haven't heard.


Glad your are enjoying BSG with the rest of us.

Hadn't heard about WKRP--it has been so many years they have been fighthing over the music rights that I had given up hope! Thanks for the info.

I just did a Google and it looks like it will be the version with "substitute" music. Still, I suppose ANY WKRP is better than none. Let's hope "Hold me closer tiny dancer" does't become "Hold my clothes tiny prancer" or some such nonesense.

Gee....that one was *cough* exciting.

Great episode...not every episode can be a space fight between with the Cylons...

Jane Espenson did a great job with her second episode...even though it was filler, it was great filler and really gave the viewer insight into the rest of the fleet. I thought it was fascinating to see how the other side lives and works...

Anyways, looks like were getting back to the main plot next week (only watched the first 10 seconds of the preview).

I really enjoyed this one, especially in comparison to the last couple episodes. This felt more like Season One to me. Finally, we get to explore some of the politics of the Colonial government regarding the conditions of the fleet. It wasn't perfect, but it was well done. It disturbs me that I'm beginning to question the leaders - really for the first time. The Adama/Roslin regime is getting a bit scary.

I thought it was a good episode. Filler, sure, but if they fill it with drama and intrigue you won't hear me complaining. I'm sure they'll be getting to the juicy season ending story arch they have planned soon.

The Adama/Roslin regime is getting a bit scary.

yeah, you want to yell at them for being so close-minded...and then you realize the massive stakes...the complete destruction of the human race. If you had that on your shoulders, what would you do? I for one thought it was a slightly cop-out to give Seelix her wings...if she was truly the only avionics expert, and she was to die, the fleet would be out a major asset...I thought she should have stayed as in the bays with Terrel and the rest....

And do you think, push come to shove, would Adama have killed Cally? I didn't have any doubt when he said it...perfect execution of the role

And do you think, push come to shove, would Adama have killed Cally? I didn't have any doubt when he said it...perfect execution of the role

When he first says what he's going to do you think just what the chief does, that he's bluffing. But when he explains himself, and the very cold manner in which he does it, makes you absolutely believe he would do it. He would hate that he had to, but he would do it nonetheless. Great acting on Olmos's part.

Oh, I do understand the position of Roslin and Adama. When your very survival is at stake, things have to get done, come hell or high water. But I can totally relate to the workers and how they feel about such an apparent disparity in the conditions they have to live and work under compared to the Capricans, Virgons, etc.

This is why I really liked this episode. It was more like the BSG of old, when tough issues are tackled head on and there really isn't a 'right' answer. The ending was a little bit too neat, but I think maybe we'll continue to hear about this issue of class as the show goes on.

I did have a slight chill go up my spine when Roslin sort of gleefully spoke of a "good old-fashioned book burning." That combined with her coldness towards the workers early in the episode showed her in a different light, I think. She's really evolving into a different type of leader as the show goes on, and that's totally natural considering all they've been through. I'm not sure she's moving in a healthy direction, though.

And my goodness, does she hate Baltar! I love their scenes together. He was hilarious when he asked if she'd write a blurb for his book.

As far as Cally is concerned, I only wish Adama had the chance to follow through on his threat. I really can't stand her. Heh.

I did have a slight chill go up my spine when Roslin sort of gleefully spoke of a "good old-fashioned book burning."

That was an awesome line...you could see she was really contemplating stepping over that line...

Oh, I do understand the position of Roslin and Adama. When your very survival is at stake, things have to get done, come hell or high water. But I can totally relate to the workers and how they feel about such an apparent disparity in the conditions they have to live and work under compared to the Capricans, Virgons, etc.

This is why I really liked this episode. It was more like the BSG of old, when tough issues are tackled head on and there really isn't a 'right' answer. The ending was a little bit too neat, but I think maybe we'll continue to hear about this issue of class as the show goes on.

I did have a slight chill go up my spine when Roslin sort of gleefully spoke of a "good old-fashioned book burning." That combined with her coldness towards the workers early in the episode showed her in a different light, I think. She's really evolving into a different type of leader as the show goes on, and that's totally natural considering all they've been through. I'm not sure she's moving in a healthy direction, though.

And my goodness, does she hate Baltar! I love their scenes together. He was hilarious when he asked if she'd write a blurb for his book.

As far as Cally is concerned, I only wish Adama had the chance to follow through on his threat. I really can't stand her. Heh.

Baltar is 20 steps ahead of her. Shes a fool for not just throwing his butt out a airlock. (not gonna happen, I know) The Chief won't forget the threat to his family, I see him screwing over Adama one day. A massive power struggle sown by the Baltar "underclass" would be a good time to do it.

This is why I really liked this episode. It was more like the BSG of old, when tough issues are tackled head on and there really isn't a 'right' answer. The ending was a little bit too neat, but I think maybe we'll continue to hear about this issue of class as the show goes on.
Okay loco, now cut this out, and I mean NOW! I really resent when someone else seems to be thinking along the same lines as I am on too frequent a basis. ;)

I really liked this episode too, except for the obvious 'Danny" ploy, which had "I'm going to be an unfortunate pawn in this game" flashing in bright neon from the time he was introduced, and the ridiculous warm and fuzzy bone of giving Suffix (?) her wings at the end of the ep, to somehow offset the disturbing, but arguably necessary, approach of Roslyn and Adama.

But yes, Moore and his team have a knack for switching gears, doing it smoothly, and getting into the real crap that makes up human existence in the modern day. Now the last few episodes no longer seem to be mere filler, as they did at first blush, but rather a natural progression to lead us to Moore's latest social issue arc. He's getting into the same kind of 'uncomfortable' territory that television is generally reluctant to explore intelligently and meaningfully, similar to the Sharon/Caprica Six sexual abuse/rape raised back in the Pegasus arc of season 2.

As far as Cally is concerned, I only wish Adama had the chance to follow through on his threat. I really can't stand her. Heh.
I get the distinct impression from Season3 that the secondary characters will be adopting a more prominent role from this point forward, and as most of the other triangles have been exploited, Tyral-Callie-Suffix (is that her name?) will be next in line.

Finally, I have a question. Is anyone else experiencing the difficulty I've been having of late with clearly discerning the lines of dialogue in this show? I've actually taken to watching BSG recently with CC on, so I don't have to keep rewinding the DVR and thinking "WTF did (fill-in the blank) just say?"

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Is anyone else experiencing the difficulty I've been having of late with clearly discerning the lines of dialogue in this show? I've actually taken to watching BSG recently with CC on, so I don't have to keep rewinding the DVR and thinking "WTF did (fill-in the blank) just say?"
I've had to replay several lines of Baltar's dialogue in the past. He speaks quite low, and with his accent- sometimes it's quite difficult to understand what he says. Laura Roslyn also races throught her words occasionally, and Adama just barley whispers his lines from time to time....

Man, just last week, I thought to myself - "Self, you know what would make BSG really kick serious ass? An episode about UNIONS baby!! Aw hell yeah!!!"

.not.

Okay loco, now cut this out, and I mean NOW! I really resent when someone else seems to be thinking along the same lines as I am on too frequent a basis. ;)

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I get the distinct impression from Season3 that the secondary characters will be adopting a more prominent role from this point forward, and as most of the other triangles have been exploited, Tyral-Callie-Suffix (is that her name?) will be next in line.


I apologize. I will try really hard to stay out of your thoughts from now on. :)

And I'm pretty sure the girl who gets to go through Viper training is called 'Seelix'.

And I've had quite enough of Cally and Tyrol for a while. I like Chief, always have. But even though I enjoyed this episode, two in a row with those two having a primary role is maybe a bit much.

Loved this episode. It's great that BSG is willing to give a look at just how the fleet is managing to carry on under extreme pressure. Every society has to have people who are willing to do the grunt work, but those people are rarely noticed. They didn't mention how they were going to "persuade" others to volunteer for refining duty, and coercion would seem to violate basic human rights, but things have to be different when the stakes are so great, and potentially so grim. I did feel that Seelix getting her wings at the end was kind of a "feel good" cheat, but that's a small gripe.

I did not like this episode at all.

The thought that people whose home worlds have been destroyed and are fleeing for their lives while being pursued by Cylons might complain about working conditions is pretty ridiculous to me.

Also, the thought that anyone could have sympathy for Baltar or that he could be the leader of some class struggle is frankly silly.

I felt embarrased for the show when watching it. Truly bad.

Let's get back to the main plot already.

I've had to replay several lines of Baltar's dialogue in the past. He speaks quite low, and with his accent- sometimes it's quite difficult to understand what he says. Laura Roslyn also races throught her words occasionally, and Adama just barley whispers his lines from time to time....
Glad to hear its not just me, cause I don’t have this problem with any other program, and I find the CC distracting.

I apologize. I will try really hard to stay out of your thoughts from now on. :)
But you had to wait until after I purchased the aluminum foil liner for my hat, to make this decision?? :rolleyes: Thanks a lot, pal. :mad: :D

And I'm pretty sure the girl who gets to go through Viper training is called 'Seelix'.
Okay, okay, that's why I threw in the question mark. I remembered there was an "S" & an "X", but couldn't recall the rest. Probably because her name sub-conciously reminded me of that mottle-headed numb-nuts 'Neelix' from Voyager, whom I couldn't stand. When you've got Jeri Ryan in a skin-tight outfit, that should be the only focus of the show, no?

I did feel that Seelix getting her wings at the end was kind of a "feel good" cheat, but that's a small gripe.
Not to make a big deal out of it, but this is the kind of cop-out I’ve come to expect from ‘ordinary’ television, and not BSG. Hopefully, it is not the foreshadowing of a precedent.

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I think your gripes are valid, Lawguy. But I was able to go along with it. I mean, sure you're on the run, but it's been, what around 3 years? since the attacks. They had a year or so on New Caprica, which doesn't appear to have been a great vacation either. But of the time spent in space, they haven't had a break - have been working 18 hour days non stop since the attacks. As Cally said, "what if this is all we have left?" I can't believe I'm quoting Cally!

Frankly, they must know that there are civilians wandering around Galactica's starboard hanger bay who appear to be doing nothing. Why haven't these people been put to work to give others some rest time before now?

I think the workers had very valid concerns, but I can understand how bad it might look for them to be making these demands to those who don't fully see the conditions they work under. The fact is you can only take so much.

As for Baltar, it might strain credibility a bit to think people would follow him after all that's happened. But people tend to have a very short memory where their quality of life is concerned. Right now, Adama and Roslin look like the bad guys because they are the ones in power. If Baltar is the only one willing to "stand up for the little guy", then he's the one they'll get behind.

loco,

What would have been infinitely more interesting to me would have been focusing on the nuts and bolts of building or continuing their society in the confines of these ships, while at the same time on the run. What about the economy.

In the real world, risky jobs pay more than safe jobs. Jobs on that refining ship would, in a real world, probably be highly prized. they might be the ticket to better living quarters. Better food, etc.

I don't think that the class issue should be abandoned because it is an element of how they all took something with them from their homeworlds that was not such a good thing. They just are dealing with it in dumb ways if you ask me (the psycho doctor and Baltar's book).

Just bad writing.

The closing scene where Starbuck was inducting the new viper recruit was just so embarrassing, I could not watch it with both eyes open.

Speaking of the starboard hanger deck....

Have they ever (or will they ever) get it fixed to get it operational (i.e., remove the gift shop?). The starboard deck is where that Cylon Heavy Raider crashed to let out the Centurion soldiers who invaded the ship in season 2. Is that raider still there wasting space?

I would have had a really big problem with people complaining about their jobs if Laura hadn't made that comment. So she acknowledged it, and couldn't believe people would complain when their lives were at stake. And man was she a hard ass at first. But one thing I really liked about the episode was how she softened--when Chief finally made the argument that persuaded her. And her bit about prodding Chief to form the Union again at the end, I thought that was very good as well.

The Seelix thing, I agree--very cringeworthy...

Are they using a different FX house? The look of the FX are very different. I like it a lot, but it's not exactly the shaky-cam docu-style they've used in the past.

Are they using a different FX house? The look of the FX are very different. I like it a lot, but it's not exactly the shaky-cam docu-style they've used in the past.

FX is all done inhouse now AFAIK.

Frak Me!

Now, just how are they going to get out of this one??

there is no way they just did that... no frackin way!!!

Season 4. Kara is not in any of the episodes that are left in season 3

So how is she special?

Why did she draw the Eye of Jupiter?

I almost expected her to see the "ship of light" from the original series at the end. There was some kind of glow in her cockpit, but we never saw what caused it.

Season 4. Kara is not in any of the episodes that are left in season 3
She will if shes resurrected as one of the final 5, cant think of anything else.

She will if shes resurrected as one of the final 5, cant think of anything else.

The Actress has already stated numerous times that this was her final Episode for this season.

She will be back in season 4

wow....:(


she has to come back


Too many unanswered questions...and I loved Starbuck...

But how can she resurrect if she had a childhood on Caprica? I mean...I guess those could be implanted memories...but still...they aren't going to touch on it anymore this season? Thats so very wrong...

FX is all done inhouse now AFAIK.

I thought Zoic did all their FX...


And god damn that would have been one amazing episode to see in HD....too bad this show is shown absolute dis-respect and show on Sci-Fi

I almost expected her to see the "ship of light" from the original series at the end. There was some kind of glow in her cockpit, but we never saw what caused it.

The same thing crossed my mind. Now I have to listen to Ron's podcast for this episode and find out what the frak is going on.

Makes you come back next season!

I thought Zoic did all their FX...


And god damn that would have been one amazing episode to see in HD....too bad this show is shown absolute dis-respect and show on Sci-Fi

Yes the shots of the Viper exploding will look great in HD.

and nobody better call this filler.....or you can gtfo of this thread! :D

Did anyone notice that just before Lee sees her ship at the end he sees the heavy raider first cut across, then it get's obsured by clouds... then he sees Starbuck's ship below... Remember she was fingering the eject... Who's to say she's even dead and needs to be resurrected?

wow....:(


she has to come back


Too many unanswered questions...and I loved Starbuck...

But how can she resurrect if she had a childhood on Caprica? I mean...I guess those could be implanted memories...but still...they aren't going to touch on it anymore this season? Thats so very wrong...

She wouldn't have to necessarily be a Cylon to be "something special".

So how is she special?

Why did she draw the Eye of Jupiter?

I almost expected her to see the "ship of light" from the original series at the end. There was some kind of glow in her cockpit, but we never saw what caused it.

If I remember correctly, D'Anna made some comment about the area between life and death....as did Loeben to Kara. Yes, that's it, she is going to meet John Sheridan and Lorien [a wink to Babylon 5 fans ;) ].

and nobody better call this filler.....or you can gtfo of this thread! :D
The first non filler in the last three or four shows, it would be nice to have the DVD to this season so you can just watch the three or four relevant shows and skip the rest since they're filler.

Well it seems Lee will go and be Baltar's Defense Legal person. Going against dear old Dad again!

gotta love this turn of events.

Wonder if they will show a Military Honors Funeral for Starbuck?

Did anyone notice that just before Lee sees her ship at the end he sees the heavy raider first cut across, then it get's obsured by clouds... then he sees Starbuck's ship below... Remember she was fingering the eject... Who's to say she's even dead and needs to be resurrected?
I noticed that, it was shown from his viewpoint, but he said nothing about it?

Did anyone notice that just before Lee sees her ship at the end he sees the heavy raider first cut across, then it get's obsured by clouds... then he sees Starbuck's ship below... Remember she was fingering the eject... Who's to say she's even dead and needs to be resurrected?

I saw that. I did see her fingering the ejection lever. But that far down in that atmosphere, she would have been crushed anyway. Almost make me think that she will be come back in a white ship. haha

If I remember correctly, D'Anna made some comment about the area between life and death....as did Loeben to Kara. Yes, that's it, she is going to meet John Sheridan and Lorien [a wink to Babylon 5 fans ;) ].

They are beyond the rim already?? :p

I noticed that, it was shown from his viewpoint, but he said nothing about it?

I've replayed the scene several times now. Yeah the important thing is that it was shown from his viewpoint and through his cockpit, and he adjusted his look once he saw Starbuck's ship... The Heavy Raider was in fact there... but what was it doing there?

The death of Starbuck's mother scene had me in tears! Dying mothers scenes always destroy me. :(

Dirk Bennedict (Original Starbuck) is on the Sci-Fi Sat March 10th Movie "Earthstorm" at 9pm EST

I've replayed the scene several times now. Yeah the important thing is that it was shown from his viewpoint and through his cockpit, and he adjusted his look once he saw Starbuck's ship... The Heavy Raider was in fact there... but what was it doing there?
Hmm, lets see, her "visions" seems to really get going (as far was we know in the story) right before she first saw that raider. Could that one cylon have been on it and been in some kind of mental contact with her?

So this is where you're hiding this thread. I found tonights ep to be more upsetting than Admiral Kane's murder(I almost quit watching after that). Why Starbuck? Kat was annoying but Thrace was family. Would anyone have missed Tigh?

A Ferengi mind projection? :p