Well BSG is cancelled so they are on to the next thing. Seems Flash is it for now for good or ill.

Who had the BSG originally, I cant remember but isnt there a reason the UK gets it first? do they fund it?

Who had the BSG originally, I cant remember but isnt there a reason the UK gets it first? do they fund it?It's an NBC Universal production and has been from the beginning. For unknown reasons they aired season 1 on the British Sky One satellite network some months before here--big mistake. High-speed broadband network access is very popular in Europe and trading of television online is endemic. Many people in the states downloaded and watched it before it aired here, which is definitely the wrong direction for television piracy to flow. No season since has aired on Sky One first.

Flash Gordon is a useless bit a of fluff that can't possibly draw the audience that BSG has. It does look as though it's pretty inexpensive to produce, though.

Who had the BSG originally, I cant remember but isnt there a reason the UK gets it first? do they fund it?I thought there was a Canadian in there somewhere, but...... it was re-imagined in 2003 by Universal Television in association with Sky One and the Sci-Fi Channel ... A weekly new Galactica series followed, premiering on Sky One in the UK and Ireland in October 2004, and on Sci-Fi in the U.S. in January 2005.I thought SKY ONE only provided the larger share and the decision on the air-date order for the second season was more complex than that, but I have no source either...... Ronald D. Moore agreed to give Sky the first showing because Sky provided the financing to shoot the first season ... However, due to massive downloading ... by North American broadband users, future seasons were aired in North America first. [citation needed]But the show specific page indicated:... Sky did not contribute financially to the second season, though UK broadcasts credit the company at the end of every episode, because many of the sets from the first series were co-funded by them...Again, no source cited...


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Flash Gordon is a useless bit a of fluff that can't possibly draw the audience that BSG has. It does look as though it's pretty inexpensive to produce, though.


I tired watching an episode last week and I couldn't get to the first commercial break before turning it off. I guess BSG has spoiled me forever.

Flash Gordon is a useless bit a of fluff that can't possibly draw the audience that BSG has. It does look as though it's pretty inexpensive to produce, though.

You never know. I dislike Pain Killer Jane. Can't watch it, figured it would have been cancelled yet still there. Then I just found out the the Dresten files which I did find watchable has been cancelled.

Guess only time will tell if Flash will stick around.

"MrsRon" (Ron Moore's wife) is posting over on the SciFi board that the network is indeed considering this split schedule, but no decision has been made yet. The producers have no control over scheduling. She, like many fans already have, hypothesizes that the network wants to stretch the show out as long as possible because it's the only prestige or flagship show they have. They don't have a replacement. [Yeah, like that network will ever be so lucky again!]

She didn't seem to understand fan frustration at first, but I think we convinced her why we feel jerked around. :) Unfortunately, there's nothing she or Ron Moore can do.

Tell 'em we're mad as hell and we won't take this frakkin' thing lying down! Who's with me??! :p *lights torch*.... "A thousand men, over the hill! Freeee-doooommmm......!"

From a Discussion with the BSG creative team at Dragon Con in Atlanta, forward by a friend that attended the panel:

"Eric admitted that there will be 20 episodes released over the next 2 years - ten at a time - to wrap up the show and that the FTL jump during atmo was "really bad science but looked really cool" and that "our science is certainly better than Doctor Who, the worst show ever"."

Ugh. Who is Eric?

I just read that the last season of BSG will be broken up into 2 parts, 10 episodes each and that they plan on a long break between each part, which puts the final episode to be aired in 2009. Ugh, that sucks! The article said they can change their mind but right now that is how its shaping up.

The really sad thing is I will be angry as everybody else about that decision, but will still end up watching it(unless they real make the 4th season cheesy like most of the other programming on Sci-Fi)

The final decision hasn't been made yet. There's still time for them to come to their senses, gods willing.

The final decision hasn't been made yet. There's still time for them to come to their senses, gods willing.
Remember it's Sci-Fi network we're talking about here... they'll frack it up!

Remember it's Sci-Fi network we're talking about here... they'll frack it up!

Yeah, that's what worries me.

What doesn't make sense to me from a business standpoint, is why stretch it out? It isn't like BSG has had stellar ratings (still a puzzlement to me). They don't really promote the show, so why not just give it and us fans the dignity of concluding it next year?

From a Discussion with the BSG creative team at Dragon Con in Atlanta, forward by a friend that attended the panel:

"Eric admitted that there will be 20 episodes released over the next 2 years - ten at a time - to wrap up the show and that the FTL jump during atmo was "really bad science but looked really cool" and that "our science is certainly better than Doctor Who, the worst show ever"."


So "Eric" is apologizing for one of the brightest and most talked about points of last season?

So "Eric" is apologizing for one of the brightest and most talked about points of last season?

Yeah, how can it be "really bad science"...? It's not like there are any scientific rules governing imaginary faster-than-light travel in the first place. :D

I remember thinking that scene would be even more cool if they had shown some effect of the FTL jump on the people below the Galactica on the ground, like they were hit with some kind of shock wave accompanied by a cool distortion of vision and sound that stunned them for a few seconds before they regained their senses and continued the fight.

I agree, I was just blown away by that scene. I watched it several times... :eek:

So "Eric" is apologizing for one of the brightest and most talked about points of last season?

He was probably talking about the structural integrity of the Galactica itself rather than the jump (coolest shot EVER in the series, I think). I remember Ron Moore talking about how it should have just broken up into a million pieces from the stress of falling, but they decided, Hey, we've never said what they made it out of, it can withstand a nuclear strike, so what they hell, we're going to do it!

Of course, the water tanks can be taken out with some C-4... :D

Yea, I liked that scene as well. I responded to my brother almost the same thing as Archi when he forwarded this to me. I appreciate "hard science" as much as anyone but don't get on too high a horse when your using FTL in the first place.

And I still applaud Moore for ignoring the engineering of it all and not getting all mixed up with Tachyon this or reversing the main deflector that.

And I still applaud Moore for ignoring the engineering of it all and not getting all mixed up with Tachyon this or reversing the main deflector that.

Yes, BSG is blessedly free of "technobabble" for the most part. It can, at times, get in the way of the story. Moore must have gotten it all out of his system during his time with Star Trek. ;)

Just saw the preview for the Mini-Movie...can't-fraking-wait

has sci fi ever said when they plan on broadcasting in hd?

Just saw the preview for the Mini-Movie...can't-fraking-wait

Link

Link

You want a link to my memory where I saw it on TV a few hours ago? :D

He was probably talking about the structural integrity of the Galactica itself rather than the jump (coolest shot EVER in the series, I think). I remember Ron Moore talking about how it should have just broken up into a million pieces from the stress of falling, but they decided, Hey, we've never said what they made it out of, it can withstand a nuclear strike, so what they hell, we're going to do it!

Of course, the water tanks can be taken out with some C-4... :D

Yeah, but that's from the inside.;)

You want a link to my memory where I saw it on TV a few hours ago? :D

Well you didn't say it was on TV, now did you? :)

He was probably talking about the structural integrity of the Galactica itself rather than the jump (coolest shot EVER in the series, I think). I remember Ron Moore talking about how it should have just broken up into a million pieces from the stress of falling, but they decided, Hey, we've never said what they made it out of, it can withstand a nuclear strike, so what they hell, we're going to do it!

Of course, the water tanks can be taken out with some C-4... :D

[Nerd Hat On] I don't actuallly see a problem with the science. FTL is point to point isn't it. The Galactica jumped into the atmosphere at airliner height eg. 50,000ft. Its not like it did a re-entry like a shuttle which has to bleed of an orbital velocity of 17,000mph by friction with the atmosphere thus creating huge stresses and heat.

It just 'appeared' at 50,000 ft stationary and Then started falling. How long would it take the galatica to reach terminal velocity given air resistance ie. accelerate to TVel? What would terminal velocity be for something the size and shape of the galactica. Regardless, galactica would be in freefall, so weightless. The only stresses would be the air resistance and what I would imagine to be very little acceleration (because of the mass of galactica and parachute like large surface area of galacticas belly.). Certainly less G's then it would pull in normal 'real space' manouevers.

EG. who remembers the satirical road safety message, "Speed doesn't kill, Stopping very suddenly does!

The galactica surviving impact on new caprica would not be scientifically plausible even with nuclear bomb resistant shielding...and even if it did survive impact intact the crew would be puddles of mush on the floor.

Galactica didn't impact anything though so I really can't see whats implausible about that scene once oneaccepts the concept of point to point FTL drives.[/nerd hat off]

Assuming the FTL/wormhole/whatever did the job of displacing the air from the point of insertion (or pushed it into a cosmic bit-bucket as a ~1 second displacement of that size could probably have been the equivalent of a huge explosion):

The ship and objects within it may be in 'free-fall', but they were already under some gravitational-like force. Given the apparent Colonial standard gravity experienced in the vessel, they should have some sort of gravity accommodation, technique, or generation device. It may or may not have been designed to handle a jump between gravity potentials that different, or how much energy the device would have to generate or dissipate... (maybe that is where the air/energy went - assuming it was a designed capability like an emergency surface of a submarine?)

I would expect that when the field collapses, the sudden imposition of gravity from the planet may introduce 'tidal'-like forces into the structure as they equalize (or are accommodated :)). Pre-stressed structural members might not react well.

So the critical design forces may not be the resulting movement or even necessarily the vessel's ability to handle the steady state forces (already Colonial norm inside), but the sudden change in potential/force on a vessel recently operating in open space (or high orbit).


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does anybody have a recommendation for a top-notch coaxial cable. so far i've been told the top of the line audioquest or monster. any suggestions? don't want to spend more than $200.00

From the NY times yesterday:

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/23/arts/television/23stan.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

"It’s not an obvious leap from “The Sopranos” to the Sci-Fi channel, but a friend who was bereft after that HBO series ended was steered to the new incarnation of “Battlestar Galactica,” a cult series about a fleet of starships seeking to escape the robot race of Cylons and find refuge on a fabled, lost colony known as Earth.

Science fiction is one thing: “Battlestar Galactica” has intellectual cachet.

“The humans are pagan polytheists and the robots are monotheists, whose divine jihad is against the humans (even though the former know that the latter created them),” Anthony Gottlieb, the author of “The Dream of Reason: A History of Philosophy from the Greeks to the Renaissance,” explained off the top of his Blackberry from an airport baggage claim. “There’s a curious mix of high-tech and superstition and scriptural fundamentalism (which interestingly suggests that religion is ineradicable, as today’s theorists of secularism are increasingly saying).”

Mr. Gottlieb likes the philosophical puzzles (“Some of the robots think they are human, and some of the humans fear they may be robots”) as well as the way the show switches sympathies back and forth from democracy to dictatorship. He really had only one objection. “There’s lots of romance, though this bores me,” he typed. “Less kissing, more killing is a frequent internal refrain of mine.” "

does anybody have a recommendation for a top-notch coaxial cable. so far I've been told the top of the line Audioquest or monster. any suggestions? don't want to spend more than $200.00
Even though your question has absolutely nothing to do with this particular thread- the short answer is...
Whomever gave you advise recommending Audioquest or monster cables is not your friend and is sadly misinformed. Go to monoprice.com (one of the AVS site sponsors) and order what you need. I guarantee you it will be 80-90% less than the other brands mentioned and will work just as well.

[Nerd Hat On] I don't actuallly see a problem with the science. FTL is point to point isn't it. The Galactica jumped into the atmosphere at airliner height eg. 50,000ft. Its not like it did a re-entry like a shuttle which has to bleed of an orbital velocity of 17,000mph by friction with the atmosphere thus creating huge stresses and heat.

It just 'appeared' at 50,000 ft stationary and Then started falling. How long would it take the galatica to reach terminal velocity given air resistance ie. accelerate to TVel? What would terminal velocity be for something the size and shape of the galactica. Regardless, galactica would be in freefall, so weightless. The only stresses would be the air resistance and what I would imagine to be very little acceleration (because of the mass of galactica and parachute like large surface area of galacticas belly.). Certainly less G's then it would pull in normal 'real space' manouevers.

EG. who remembers the satirical road safety message, "Speed doesn't kill, Stopping very suddenly does!

The galactica surviving impact on new caprica would not be scientifically plausible even with nuclear bomb resistant shielding...and even if it did survive impact intact the crew would be puddles of mush on the floor.

Galactica didn't impact anything though so I really can't see whats implausible about that scene once oneaccepts the concept of point to point FTL drives.[/nerd hat off]

Hate to nitpick, but get your facts right!

If it had appeared in the atmosphere at 50,000 feet, Galactica would have probably hit the ground before it could jump!

According to the dialogue, it appeared at an altitude of 99,000 feet! ("Altitude ninety-nine thousand and falling like a rock" - line given by Kelly in Exodus, part 2 - according to transcript from episode guide at http://galacticastation.com/episodes/Transcripts/SE3.303.htm)

Hate to nitpick, but get your facts right!

If it had appeared in the atmosphere at 50,000 feet, Galactica would have probably hit the ground before it could jump!

According to the dialogue, it appeared at an altitude of 99,000 feet! ("Altitude ninety-nine thousand and falling like a rock" - line given by Kelly in Exodus, part 2 - according to transcript from episode guide at http://galacticastation.com/episodes/Transcripts/SE3.303.htm)

I stand corrected. Can you address the pertinent points in my post though rather than focus on a figure I pulled out of thin air (pun intended :grin: ) Fair enough maybe the figure in my example was a little low and maybe wouldn't give galactica time to launch vipers and jump back out before hitting the ground but the point of the post wasn't how high should the galactica jump in. It was what kind of stresses the galactica experience.

RE: Cannon Fodders post.

Am I right in thinking that the general thrust of your post is questioning how the superstructure of a ship designed for space might react when inside a gravity well. ie. like how the international space stations rigid structure is stable in space but down on earth under the influence of earths gravity it would fold and be crushed and collapsed by its own weight??

The ISS is in freefall too. Orbit is freefall were the freefall matches the curvature of the earth. So I don't see a difference. ie no gravitational or weight stresses on galactica while its falling. Now say it fired some retro thrusters to slow its descent and it landed on new caprica. Then you would get into the question of whether the galactica was designed to support its own weight on a planets surface (in a gravity well)

...[Edit] Scratch that. I think I might know where you are going with this. I am subject to gravity and feel weight sitting in a hovering helicopter. I'm weightless and in freefall if the Heli starts falling after losing engine power. So you are talking about the stresses galacticas superstructure experiences the instant after it jumps in and hangs there motionless at 100,000ft for an instant but before it starts falling in freefall and in effect becomes weigthless? Am I now reading your post right?

Ok, enough of this tech talk... here's a must see for any BSG fan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRRLJ-v0KwM

... Scratch that. I think I might know where you are going with this. I am subject to gravity and feel weight sitting in a hovering helicopter. I'm weightless and in freefall if the Heli starts falling after losing engine power. So you are talking about the stresses galacticas superstructure experiences the instant after it jumps in and hangs there motionless at 100,000ft for an instant but before it starts falling in freefall and in effect becomes weigthless?...Yes, but specifically, the transition between the force (and distribution) at the point of departure and the force at the point of arrival. 'Tidal' was probably inappropriate, as I meant the transient response and the resulting stress as everything moved into a new equilibrium under the new external forces (as well as any internal gravity thingamabob).

You are 'weightless' and in 'free-fall' in the Vomit Comet because you have nothing opposing the gravitational force, but you still had the same force causing the 9.8 m/s² acceleration acting on you before, it was simply opposed by the seat. Your stomach may drop out, but the force is the same.

Depending on where the vessel jumps from, the difference between the force at departure and the force at arrival may be significant. 10% difference at a 400km Space Shuttle orbit [source Wikipedia]. I do not know what standoff distance the Galactica was holding, but I would guess it was more than that.

Not that any of that amounts to a hill of beans as compared to the other suspensions of disbelief necessitated by the show...

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Everybody should be watching BSG Junior on NBC (aka Bionic Woman)...

Whats really sad is BSG should get the Premiere Flag-ship NBC treatment and Bionic Woman is more fitting to be shown on Sci-Fi...

The thing I can't decide is if I will like the spin off they are talking about doing (Caprica). I don't know if a spin off of BSG would be good. I'm invested in these characters, I don't think new characters would hold my attention/interest.

Everybody should be watching BSG Junior on NBC (aka Bionic Woman)...

Whats really sad is BSG should get the Premiere Flag-ship NBC treatment and Bionic Woman is more fitting to be shown on Sci-Fi...

...and of course, it is proof positive that Starbuck IS a cylon. Bionic arms, legs, eyes and ears. Now, all we have to do if figure out how she got to Kobol. :)

The thing I can't decide is if I will like the spin off they are talking about doing (Caprica). I don't know if a spin off of BSG would be good. I'm invested in these characters, I don't think new characters would hold my attention/interest.

Well, it's not my money. If they do it, I'll happily watch it and give it a chance. I think it could be very interesting, but certainly would be a different kind of show. I think I'm really going to miss the BSG universe, so anything with ties to it would keep my interest at least for a little while.

Everybody should be watching BSG Junior on NBC (aka Bionic Woman)...

Whats really sad is BSG should get the Premiere Flag-ship NBC treatment and Bionic Woman is more fitting to be shown on Sci-Fi...

Boy, ain't it the truth! Can you just imagine how awesome BSG would be if Moore & Co. had Big Four resources to work with instead of having to put the show together with duct tape and rubber bands? The mind boggles....

I dunno, Archiguy. I have to say that with BSG's limited budget, they have been able to pull off some really spectacular and very real looking special effects. My only quibble has been with how some of the metallic cylons look--but that is minor. The space battle scenes are simply amazing. And the way they track ships through space using hyper-zoom is unreal. I also love the touch of the use of the directional firings for control of the vipers.

Perhaps a bigger budget wouldn't allow them the same creativity...

Perhaps a bigger budget wouldn't allow them the same creativity...
Not so sure about that. On the Heroes threads, while vfxproducer has indicated that BSG probably has the largest efx budget on television, he was also quick to note that the major issue was not the size of the budget, but rather the time constraints.

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If they'd had the time and money, they would have continued to produce it on film. The guy who directed the mini-series (shot on film) was dragged kicking and screaming into the use of HDCam. Some talented people managed to help him get the grainy-film documentary look that he wanted on digital video, so he calmed down :).

Not so sure about that. On the Heroes threads, while vfxproducer has indicated that BSG probably has the largest efx budget on television, he was also quick to note that the major issue was not the size of the budget, but rather the time constraints.



Yeah, Ron Moore has said as much on the podcasts. There isn't the time or money to do reshoots and re-edits so sometimes the product that makes it to air isn't what he had envisioned. They often don't have the money to build all the sets they'd like or do more location work, but their art department does a great job with what they have.

I agree that their vfx work is the best I've ever seen on TV short of 'Firefly' (which also used Zoic Studios for their CGI). Just always wondered if it could be even better if they had a larger budget.

Yeah, Ron Moore has said as much on the podcasts. There isn't the time or money to do reshoots and re-edits so sometimes the product that makes it to air isn't what he had envisioned. They often don't have the money to build all the sets they'd like or do more location work, but their art department does a great job with what they have.

I agree that their vfx work is the best I've ever seen on TV short of 'Firefly' (which also used Zoic Studios for their CGI). Just always wondered if it could be even better if they had a larger budget.
Okay, now I'm going to have to go back and re-watch some Firefly episodes, particularly as I've tended to give BSG the edge in this department.

A quick search on Zoic indicates that more recently, they were also involved with the vfx work for the cars on "Drive". Other than certain Cylon sequences, particularly those which are well lit (the Eye of Jupiter/Rapture mini-arc comes to mind), I think they do a great job. Alternatively, I am also impressed generally with the vfx/sfx work that Stargate Digital does on Heroes, particularly their Virtual Backlot.

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Anyone heard yet when Season 3 is coming out on DVD? There's a release date already for Razor on Amazon, even though it hasn't aired yet. Neither Amazon nor Digital Bits has any info on a release date. It's VERY aggravating that so many other TV shows' season sets come out within a month or two of said season (Season 3 of House, for example). BSG Season 3 ended MONTHS ago, and no word yet- what gives?------------------------------------------------------------DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!!

Anyone heard yet when Season 3 is coming out on DVD? There's a release date already for Razor on Amazon, even though it hasn't aired yet. Neither Amazon nor Digital Bits has any info on a release date. It's VERY aggravating that so many other TV shows' season sets come out within a month or two of said season (Season 3 of House, for example). BSG Season 3 ended MONTHS ago, and no word yet- what gives?------------------------------------------------------------DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!!

I'll I've seen online are tentative(?) release dates for England, I believe. Nothing over here yet.

Real bummer for me, as the wife & I just got into BSG. Caught the "miniseries" on UHD earlier this year, then rented all of the S1, 2 &2.5 DVDs. SciFi started re-running S3 (with the frakin' finale!), then ran both parts of the S3 premiere. Now, no BSG scheduled until RAZOR! Damn it!

Would imagine, SciFi being SciFi, they'll dump S3 out again in reruns (and maybe on UHD, too) around the time of either RAZOR or the S4 debut. Also bet S3 drops here on DVD right before S4, as well.

Anyone heard yet when Season 3 is coming out on DVD?
Season 4 is scheduled to start airing in January 2008, so it's very likely that the Season 3 boxset will come out on earlier that month or in December.

Anyone heard yet when Season 3 is coming out on DVD? There's a release date already for Razor on Amazon, even though it hasn't aired yet. Neither Amazon nor Digital Bits has any info on a release date. It's VERY aggravating that so many other TV shows' season sets come out within a month or two of said season (Season 3 of House, for example). BSG Season 3 ended MONTHS ago, and no word yet- what gives?------------------------------------------------------------DON'T TAZE ME, BRO!!!


According to TVGuide.com, Spring 2008. :mad: Check out the last sentence at this link.

http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-News-Blog/Todays-News/Galactica-Split-Season/800022545

So, can we move this back to the HD side of the house, now that SciFi is in HD? :)

So, can we move this back to the HD side of the house, now that SciFi is in HD? :)

I'd say the apporpriate time is when they air the BSG movie in a few weeks. :)

Picking up the discussion surrounding God(s) and religion in BSG, my wife and I watched the episode "Eye of Jupiter" last night and she remarked that Baltar looked like Jesus, with his long hair and beard. You have to wonder if this is deliberate on the part of the creators of the show or just fashion licence on the part of James Callis (who plays Baltar).

So, can we move this back to the HD side of the house, now that SciFi is in HD? :)

uh since when are they in HD?

So, can we move this back to the HD side of the house, now that SciFi is in HD? :)

Not eveyone has HD, heck I did not even know it was up and running yet.
What market are you in, and who's your cable/Sat provider?

Not eveyone has HD, heck I did not even know it was up and running yet.
What market are you in, and who's your cable/Sat provider?
DirectTV has SciFi available in HD as of a couple of days ago.

Flash Gordon and Stargate Atlantis where both in HD this past Friday.

Atlantis looked awesome in HD! If only we had that for the 9 seasons of sg1

Color me Jealous. Season 1 of Atlantis i'm watching in HD on Universal but it would be nice to watch the current season in HD.

What channel is SCI FI in HD, the same old 244?

What channel is SCI FI in HD, the same old 244?

yep

DirectTV is placing the HD versions of these channels at the same channel number.

The first promo of Season 4 is up on YouTube. Better look quick in case they take it down. It looks awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg

The first promo of Season 4 is up on YouTube. Better look quick in case they take it down. It looks awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg

Wow!
BSG is sooooo far out in front of the network shows it's embarrassing!

Wow!
BSG is sooooo far out in front of the network shows it's embarrassing!

So say we all! ;)

My goodness.... (I'm spoiler tagging this in case people don't want to know what's in the promo) Roslin with a gun? Starbuck screaming and getting slugged by Adama? Tigh pointing a gun in CiC? Eeeek!!

So I have been seeing Battlestar Galactica Razor promo's on TV...is that the same as Season 4 or what?

Razor starts 11/24...

The first promo of Season 4 is up on YouTube. Better look quick in case they take it down. It looks awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg

Wow. That looks amazing.

Wow. That looks amazing.

It is, it almost shows too much, for the religious non-spoiler viewer anyhow.

So I have been seeing Battlestar Galactica Razor promo's on TV...is that the same as Season 4 or what?

Razor starts 11/24...

Nope, it's a stand alone movie- basically the backstory of the Battlestar Pegasus which made it's appearance in season 2 & 3 of BSG.

Razor is also has some plot support for season 4 and that preview was amazing. I am excited all over again.

Is the start of season 4 really getting pushed back until April '08? If so, that sucks, Sci-Fi. :mad: As if splitting the season wasn't stinky enough....

Season 4 (First Half) to air in Feb 2008

Season 4 (2nd. Half) to air in late 2008 or early 2009

They decided to split the season up to prolong the series final from airing.

Season 4 (First Half) to air in Feb 2008

Season 4 (2nd. Half) to air in late 2008 or early 2009

They decided to split the season up to prolong the series final from airing.

That is such BS, if the show is good enough to milk out the seasons, then it is good enough to make another season.

anyway, did anyone download the the BGS game on xbox live.

I too am frustrated by the split. But...

Last season wasn't split and I watched it go from the best damn show on TV (besides Sopranos) to the worst freaking character study/ courtroom drama on television. If splitting it prevents the show from having all those clunkers at the end, I support the idea.

I know there are those of you who insist every single scene is above criticism but man I hated some of those last episodes from last season.

I too am frustrated by the split. But...

Last season wasn't split and I watched it go from the best damn show on TV (besides Sopranos) to the worst freaking character study/ courtroom drama on television. If splitting it prevents the show from having all those clunkers at the end, I support the idea.

I know there are those of you who insist every single scene is above criticism but man I hated some of those last episodes from last season.

It's the same number of episodes whether they split it or not. If season 3 were split (well...it was, but if it were split longer) would you have loathed those episodes any less?

I am going to be an optimist about season 4. I beleive there will be alot more meat and potatos in the final season. Not as much of the standalone episodes.

I think a lot of people who complain about the stand-alone eps don't realize the budgetary and time constraints that are imposed on the production crew of this series. It's expensive and complicated with state of the art special effects that take time to design and render. Sometimes they burn several episodes of CGI budget in one episode and have to have a "breather" afterward to catch up. They ain't got no "Big Four" budget here.

Another thing is that these stand alone eps are usually written by members of the writing staff who may be minor contributors on the big arc episodes which might be mostly written by Moore or Eick. Again, it gives those guys a breather and more time to work on the big-splash episodes.

All in all, I appreciate the stand-alone eps for what they are. They often provide background character development and texture that enhances the enjoyment of the series as a whole. We got to see some of the inner workings of the rest of the fleet such as where and how the trillium is refined and the conditions of the workers there. We got to see how the belief system of certain colonies clashed with others. We got more background into the Adama family and how Bill and Lee became the men they are. Lotsa' good stuff.

In the specific case of Baltar's trial, the whole second half of the season was building up to that moment. I thought it was terrific, especially Mark Shepard's fascinating portrayal of Romo Lampkin, and Lee Adama's transformation from warrior to lawyer and back again. We also see the birth of a new religion in the cult that's grown up around Baltar's writings. Coupled all that with the powerful New Caprica arc (the atmo-jump!), Diana's journey to find the final five, and the deepening mystery surrounding Starbuck's destiny, and I think the third season was the strongest yet.

I totally agree that the standalone eps were great and if the series was gong to be around another 2-3 seasons I would be the first to say that I would like to more of that kind of depth. But with only 20 eps left to finish the story and soooo many questions that are brought up and yet to answered (i.e. the whole this happened before.....cycle theme, the reason for the 4 new cylons, earths role, the fifth cylon). I would hope these get answered by the end, and hopefully not just thrown in in the last minute of the finale.

They need to make this more enjoyable, too much like a drama.. Explain more.. When it gets good they cut to a commerical or to be continued. People stay forcus. I met the Admiral at the time he was the Captain at Mels Dinner in Hollywood, CA. He drove a Black Toyota Prius. To me he looks shorter than he does on TV. I am the type to leave people alone and don't ask them for anything. I guess he thought I was going to bug him about the show. It was late around 10pm so there wasn't much people in their.

Food was good and very expensive..

I hope the shows does better than it was last season and this Razor looks good, but I know what looks good will turn out boring.. I guess the budget is low so this is what you get for a story line.

They need to make this more enjoyable, too much like a drama.. Explain more..
I hope the shows does better than it was last season and this Razor looks good, but I know what looks good will turn out boring.. I guess the budget is low so this is what you get for a story line.

:eek: Ummmm, the show is supposed to be dark and intense. If you want a lighthearted romp, you might find 'Flash Gordon' more your speed, or watch the original BSG from the 70's. In fact, unless you're a Nielsen family, you might be better off just skipping this show altogether. You're clearly expecting something that's not in its DNA.

:eek: Ummmm, the show is supposed to be dark and intense. If you want a lighthearted romp, you might find 'Flash Gordon' more your speed, or watch the original BSG from the 70's. In fact, unless you're a Nielsen family, you might be better off just skipping this show altogether. You're clearly expecting something that's not in its DNA.

No I've watched flash G, that's awful but there isn't anything else that would make you say tune to the TV. SGA wonders around or they do those loops in time. The show is great, to bad they can't do much with the BattleShips they got and make it into series.

There has been some great stuff on SCI-FI but they seem to drop off the good stuff. the BSG from 1978 to 1983 was better for it's time. Today you have it kind of like everyone is bore. When the action starts then it looks like another Above and Beyond that was on FOX a few years ago. Gone are the STV and Enterprise.. SG1 Lost Ark on DVD next year and the Chevron 9 on the Stargate new series should open the doors for better story line. As for current BSG it's was getting better there at the last clip now that was story.. Let's hope it continues..

When the action starts then it looks like another Above and Beyond that was on FOX a few years ago.

Oh gawd, that show was awful. No comparison at all with BSG, which has already won a Peabody Award and will no doubt go down as one of the all-time great television dramas, let alone the sci-fi genre.

The first promo of Season 4 is up on YouTube. Better look quick in case they take it down. It looks awesome!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VysVxz2_rQg

Man I can't wait for that... Along with Friday Night Lights and Rescue Me, the best show on TV hands down.

Man I can't wait for that... Along with Friday Night Lights and Rescue Me, the best show on TV hands down.

Good they're bringing starbuck back, one thing good so far.. Thanks for the link good to to have it save also as AVI..

Oh gawd, that show was awful. No comparison at all with BSG, which has already won a Peabody Award and will no doubt go down as one of the all-time great television dramas, let alone the sci-fi genre.

Above and Beyond has some good special effects when they shot off the main guns. Other than it was bad series.. Taken from Starship Troopers. Now that NBC owns SCI-FI let's see if NBC will spend more billions (millions not the same) on the network. B5 can comeback to light... ST TimeWarp (a new series) well it's a dream.. :)

So I watched Razor last night. Awesome. I will wait until November 24th to discuss it, but can hardly wait. Much to talk about.

Above and Beyond has some good special effects when they shot off the main guns. Other than it was bad series.. Taken from Starship Troopers. Now that NBC owns SCI-FI let's see if NBC will spend more billions (millions not the same) on the network. B5 can comeback to light... ST TimeWarp (a new series) well it's a dream.. :)NBC Universal has owned the Sci Fi channel for quite some time, since before this encarnation of Battlestar Galactica came into being.

Damn! Comcast is probably not going to have SciFi in HD before this is braodcast! Damn damn damn damn!

With the writers strike definitely happening now, I think it's obvious why SciFi has planned to split the season. I hate it, too, but there you go. They only have 10 episodes of Season 4 ready to go. And as I understand it, when the strike starts, production will pretty much shut down.

Hopefully, the strike will end quickly and they can start the last half of the season after only a few months' delay. But I keep reading it's going to be a long drawn out ordeal.

With the writers strike definitely happening now, I think it's obvious why SciFi has planned to split the season. I hate it, too, but there you go. They only have 10 episodes of Season 4 ready to go. And as I understand it, when the strike starts, production will pretty much shut down.


Yep. Split season here we come. :(

So I watched Razor last night. Awesome. I will wait until November 24th to discuss it, but can hardly wait. Much to talk about.

I heard it was awesome...but i definitely want to wait for the 24th. the flashbacks have been pretty cool as well.

I hope this is not correct:The LA Times is also reporting that Ron Moore’s Battlestar Galactica has 10 shows completed. On the SciFi channel forums Ron Moore’s wife announced that the second half of the season may be delayed due to the strike. BSG’s 4th season starts in early April of 2008. A stand-alone two hour BSG TV movie ‘Razor’ airs later this month on the Sci-Fi channel and will also be sold on DVD
http://trekmovie.com/2007/11/03/strike-may-cut-heroes-season-in-half-lost-and-bsg-also-effected/

I heard it was awesome...but i definitely want to wait for the 24th. the flashbacks have been pretty cool as well.

Can you guys explain this? What is Razor and what flashbacks?

Can you guys explain this? What is Razor and what flashbacks?

Razor is a two hour episode that will air November 24th. It is a flashback standalone episode that does not pick up from or resolve the Season Three cliffhanger. It focuses on the Pegasus and its story from the beginning of the war into Lee Adama's command.

The flashbacks are portions of Razor that were removed from the cut we'll see on the 24th. They focus on the young William Adama's first mission in the first Cylon war. They are around 2 minutes each and air on Friday nights during Flash Gordon.

Season Four does not officially start until April.

Is there any other place to see the flashbacks? I'm certainly not going to watch or even scan through a recording of Flashgordon to watch them. I'm surprised that Flash Gordon hasn't been cancelled yet.

Is there any other place to see the flashbacks? I'm certainly not going to watch or even scan through a recording of Flashgordon to watch them. I'm surprised that Flash Gordon hasn't been cancelled yet.

SciFi.com has them. And they're usually up on YouTube pretty quickly.

Razor is a two hour episode that will air November 24th. It is a flashback standalone episode that does not pick up from or resolve the Season Three cliffhanger. It focuses on the Pegasus and its story from the beginning of the war into Lee Adama's command.

The flashbacks are portions of Razor that were removed from the cut we'll see on the 24th. They focus on the young William Adama's first mission in the first Cylon war. They are around 2 minutes each and air on Friday nights during Flash Gordon.

Season Four does not officially start until April.

Awesome thanks.

Has there been any word from NBC Universal on how they are going to handle BSG with the WGA strike?

Has there been any word from NBC Universal on how they are going to handle BSG with the WGA strike?

I think they're in a wait and see mode. Season 4 is scheduled to start in April. They have 10 episodes ready. They were already considering splitting the season in half and showing the remaining 10 episodes in 2009. I think the longer this strike goes on, the better the chance of that actually happening. I think they were looking for an excuse to do that anyway.

Has there been any word from NBC Universal on how they are going to handle BSG with the WGA strike?

That will all depend on how many scripts have already been written. While the show has been in "hiatus", the writers could have been busily writing the new episodes. If all the stories and their scripts are done, the WGA strike could last forever and not affect BSG.

A lot of TV shows stock piled scripts to carry them through the end of this session, just in case there was a strike.

That will all depend on how many scripts have already been written. While the show has been in "hiatus", the writers could have been busily writing the new episodes. If all the stories and their scripts are done, the WGA strike could last forever and not affect BSG.

A lot of TV shows stock piled scripts to carry them through the end of this session, just in case there was a strike.

BSG has completed 10 episodes. Only one more has been written. They were debating last week whether or not to go ahead and shoot that episode without the writers being on hand for re-writes. I'm not sure what they decided on, but regardless, they definitely don't have more scripts ready.

Ron Moore is the showrunner and head writer. He was walking the picket line yesterday. Production on BSG will shut down shortly if it hasn't already.

The above info comes from Ron Moore's wife who posts over at the SciFi board.

For those of you interested, there's a really good interview at IGN with Ron Moore where he discusses the strike issues as well as the effect on BSG production.

http://tv.ign.com/articles/833/833633p1.html

A correction to what I posted above: it appears the final script they had to work on was for the tenth episode of Season 4, the midseason cliffhanger (not the 11th episode). After shooting for that episode is completed, production of BSG should shut down until after the strike.

^^^Very eye-opening article, helps throw some light on the very real issues involved. Moore makes a good analogy with books - hardcover and paperback - that illustrates the problem the writers have with going into the internet-delivery age with no agreement in place. Looks like they don't really have any choice but to strike, or they're going to get screwed like they did with DVD's.

Maybe NBC will be so hard up for scripted content in a couple of months they'll run those 10 episodes on the flagship channel in HD! (Yes, I've heard tell about this new SciFi-HD channel, but as a TWC customer, I know I won't see it for years.)

Maybe NBC will be so hard up for scripted content in a couple of months they'll run those 10 episodes on the flagship channel in HD! (Yes, I've heard tell about this new SciFi-HD channel, but as a TWC customer, I know I won't see it for years.)

I didn't mind the "lag" in watching BSG on the Universal HD (http://www.universalhd.com/Battlestar_Galactica/) channel, which my cable company does support.

Though, if the strike lasts long enough, it would not surprise me if a desperate NBC started to run those 10 new episodes of BSG just to fill in primetime NBC network air time.

I'll take it a step further. After reading the HOTP article about how the networks are hurting for non-reality show content and are planning to show reruns of reruns, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if in light of its critical acclaim, NBC tosses BSG starting from Season 1 onto a 10:00 spot some evening to fill-out the schedule and give it more exposure to a wider audience.;)

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man this strike stuff is so depressing...i wonder how long razor will hold me over til season 4...from what ive heard from people who saw the leak its really good. At least its something.

razor was actually damn good.. well worth it!

Just watched the 5th little Razorette webisode on Sci-Fi. FRACK! :eek: This is the first one of this series that will actually be part of "Razor" (I understand the first four won't be, so don't miss your chance to see 'em. Great stuff!). I'd really like to wait for the DVD, but who am I kidding? I ain't waiting. This thing looks awesome.

Mark Verheiden, one of the writers for the show, has a blog. He's been updating it pretty regularly during the strike. Nothing terribly earth-shattering, but in case anyone's interested, here's the link.

http://verheiden.blogspot.com/

Some of the older entries about the show are pretty good.

...if the strike lasts long enough, it would not surprise me if a desperate NBC started to run those 10 new episodes of BSG just to fill in primetime NBC network air time.
Maybe NBC will be so hard up for scripted content in a couple of months they'll run those 10 episodes on the flagship channel in HD!
I wouldn't be the least bit surprised, if in light of its critical acclaim, NBC tosses BSG starting from Season 1 onto a 10:00 spot some evening to fill-out the schedule and give it more exposure to a wider audience.;)
Wow! How sweet would full season of BSG on NBC-HD be? :D:D:D
I'll order a second 500GB hard drive for my HTPC today if it was announced the flagship channel was running BSG in HD.

My local NBC station out of DC looks horrible most of the time, so I'd actually prefer to see it on D*'s great-looking SciFi HD.

It'll be my luck that it'll get moved to NBC. I used to pray for that when I didn't have SciFi in HD. LOL

^I doubt they would move it completely...Im sure it would air on both channels...just a matter of whether NBC would air it first run or if theyd just air it later on. Remember SciFi does air current episodes of Heroes and Bionic Woman as well (maybe some others, Im not sure).

Id just be concerned NBC would want to edit and tone the show down a little for network television. Hopefully it ends up in a 10PM slot to keep any of that to a minimum, or preferably non-existent.

A couple of years ago, NBC did air the miniseries on the flagship channel, on a Saturday night I believe, just to see what would happen. Well, the predictable happened. All the fans of the show had already seen it, and everybody else who was watching TV on Saturday night was afraid of it because of the title. Ratings were awful, and that was the end of that little experiment. Of course, it's a lot more well-known now, with a bigger, broader fan base, but NBC/Universal probably still has cold feet about scheduling it on NBC during prime time. But on the other hand, there is the matter of the strike and they'll be looking for scripted programming anywhere they can find it come Jan/Feb......

Right, and I do believe that was my first exposure to the new BSG. And it was edited (what Six does to the baby) as I later found out. NBC also ran the final two episodes of season 2, if I'm not mistaken.

A couple of years ago, NBC did air the miniseries on the flagship channel, on a Saturday night I believe, just to see what would happen. Well, the predictable happened. All the fans of the show had already seen it, and everybody else who was watching TV on Saturday night was afraid of it because of the title. Ratings were awful, and that was the end of that little experiment. Of course, it's a lot more well-known now, with a bigger, broader fan base, but NBC/Universal probably still has cold feet about scheduling it on NBC during prime time. But on the other hand, there is the matter of the strike and they'll be looking for scripted programming anywhere they can find it come Jan/Feb......

Also remember that it was running against the NFL playoffs that night. I could have scheduled something epic on the order of ROOTS against the NFL and still drawn hash-marks.

I think if NBC did a good marketing campaign and started BSG from the beginning, they might be able to do OK. They could run a lot of ads trumpeting the excellent reviews and Peabody award. They could say something like "Here's your chance to see the best show on TV you're not watching."

But the strike isn't going to go on long enough to run the whole series (at least I hope not!). The problem with BSG is it's so serialized that people can't just sit down and watch it in the middle of season three and have any idea what's going on.

Did anyone get a chance to check out those razor in theater screenings?

What does everyone think of the season one HD DVD, for $70, it has 13 episodes, plus the 4 hr miniseries. Is this the whole season? Will they have a 1.5, or was that just for season 2 on reg SD DVD?

Amazon already listing the Razor movie, pre order for Dec 4th release.

What does everyone think of the season one HD DVD, for $70, it has 13 episodes, plus the 4 hr miniseries. Is this the whole season? Will they have a 1.5, or was that just for season 2 on reg SD DVD?

Amazon already listing the Razor movie, pre order for Dec 4th release.

Yes, that is the whole season. The Season One HD-DVD set will contain the miniseries plus the entire 13 episodes of the first season. Plus some extras. The rest of the seasons have not been announced for HD-DVD yet.

Yes, that is the whole season. The Season One HD-DVD set will contain the miniseries plus the entire 13 episodes of the first season. Plus some extras. The rest of the seasons have not been announced for HD-DVD yet.

Thanks. I mite get it.

Amazon already listing the Razor movie, pre order for Dec 4th release.

Is this for an HD DVD of Razor or just the regular DVD?

If it's comng to HD DVD that soon I may just hold of on watching it in SD when it''s broadcast.

Is this for an HD DVD of Razor or just the regular DVD?

If it's comng to HD DVD that soon I may just hold of on watching it in SD when it''s broadcast.

It's just regular DVD. No date for a Razor HD-DVD has been announced.

For those interested, Ron Moore has started a blog here:

http://www.rondmoore.com/Site/Blog/Blog.html

His Sunday, 11/18 entry sent a chill through me. I fully believe the series will be completed, but just the idea that it might not is really not very cool at all. Come on, guys, let's get a fair deal done soon!

His Sunday, 11/18 entry sent a chill through me. I fully believe the series will be completed, but just the idea that it might not is really not very cool at all. Come on, guys, let's get a fair deal done soon!

That's probably a bluff. He's a leader among the rank & file writers and he's got to put up a tough image to rally the troops. Besides, the strike will end at some point and production will resume. With them talking again (the scuttlebutt was that talks wouldn't resume until after the holidays), that will likely be sooner than later. And since SciFi Network had basically already made the decision to put off the second half of S4 until 2009 anyway, there's really no possibility the remaining eps won't get done.

That's probably a bluff. He's a leader among the rank & file writers and he's got to put up a tough image to rally the troops. Besides, the strike will end at some point and production will resume. With them talking again (the scuttlebutt was that talks wouldn't resume until after the holidays), that will likely be sooner than later. And since SciFi Network had basically already made the decision to put off the second half of S4 until 2009 anyway, there's really no possibility the remaining eps won't get done.

Yeah, I never even considered the possibility it wouldn't get done until I read that. As I posted over at the Skiffy board, it wouldn't make a lot of sense for SciFi to scrap it. They will need programming after this strike is over, and it will be much easier to get production going on a show that's already got a cast and crew and sets together than to start from scratch.

Seen Razor --- you'll be happy when that comes out on Saturday...

sweet..

saw this advance review too...

http://www.ugo.com/ugo/html/article/?id=17957&sectionId=2

Copied this NY Times article today from the HOTP tread in the Programming Forum:

TV-on-DVD Notebook
‘Battlestar’ Goes Boldly Into the DVD Universe
By Jonathan D. Glatter, The New York Times - November 21, 2007

Forget the robot killers with machine guns built into their arms. The DVDs are taking over.

Fans of the television series “Battlestar Galactica” are familiar with the frightening chrome mechanical monsters known as Cylons, seemingly bent on the destruction of humanity. But the force behind a two-hour episode on the Sci Fi Channel this Saturday night is the DVD, the equally shiny disc.

The episode, “Razor,” marks yet another step in the complex, fast-changing relationship between DVD sales and cable broadcast. The episode would not exist except for the promise of selling it on DVD just days after it is shown on television.

The move is part of a trend. Already there have been instances of DVD sales reviving canceled television series, like Fox’s “Family Guy,” which sold so well that it was put back on the air. And “24,” also on Fox, began selling DVDs of its four-episode season premiere earlier this year, the day after it concluded. But such tactics are still rare.

“Usually it’s the other way around,” said Gary Newman, co-chairman of 20th Century Fox Television, partly because it takes weeks or even months to manufacture the DVDs, so they often cannot be ready for sale so soon after broadcast.

But in the case of “Battlestar,” a series following the survivors of an apocalyptic attack on their home planets by rebellious robots, Universal Studios Home Entertainment, the NBC-Universal unit responsible for DVD sales, approached the Sci Fi Channel about the possibility of creating a stand-alone episode first. That provided the time to produce a DVD to be released on Dec. 4, just days after the broadcast.

Perhaps most important, the home entertainment division offered to pick up part of the cost. So the show’s creators, not surprisingly, jumped at the chance to put something on the air in the hiatus between the season finale in March and what is billed as the final season, beginning in April 2008.

“It seemed like an interesting opportunity,” said Ronald D. Moore, the show’s executive producer. But, he added, the story to be told in the stand-alone episode had to fit tight constraints.

“Because we ended the third season on a cliffhanger, there was no way there could be a home video release that could stand alone and also work in the continuity of the show,” Mr. Moore said. “It had to be something that took place before the Season 3 cliffhanger.”

So the show’s writers returned to a story whose conclusion viewers had seen, at least in a sense, producing a kind of parallel prequel. The extended episode follows the Pegasus, a sister battleship to the show’s Galactica, which also survived the attack that opened the series. The episode revisits that moment and follows the Pegasus over time, exploring how the brutally difficult decisions of its commander render the ship increasingly dysfunctional.

The episode also visits an earlier conflict between humanity and the Cylons. Those machines were portrayed in the first “Battlestar” television show, which ran for just one season more than 25 years ago, when special effects were far less, well, special.

The Cylons then were actors in clumsy Tin Man-like suits, a far cry from the frightening killing machines, augmented by computer imagery, familiar to viewers watching the new series. Mr. Moore said it was important not to make the earlier generation of machines less frightening than the latest one, which includes models that look human.

“We wanted them to feel a little more fearsome,” Mr. Moore said. “The first Cylon war is known as something really scary.”

The extended episode also manages to raise questions about a surprise development in the final episode of the last season, casting a different light on one critical character’s claim to have found a way to lead surviving humans to Earth, the fabled planet they seek.

While the “Razor” episode may not draw new viewers, Mr. Moore said, it is a stand-alone story, and the hope is that loyal fans will want to own it along with other episodes of the series. The demographic group most stereotypically associated with DVD purchases is young men, and the viewership of the Sci Fi Channel is 57 percent male.

“‘Battlestar’ is incredibly successful both domestically and internationally in terms of DVD episodes,” said David Howe, executive vice president and general manager of the Sci Fi Channel. DVD sales are especially important for shows like “Battlestar” that are intensely serialized, meaning that a casual viewer might have a hard time understanding a random episode. That makes the series less inviting in syndication than, say, “Law & Order.”

“You can’t strip them from all scheduling in a way that allows people to dip in and out,” Mr. Howe said.

Sci Fi also took the unusual step, for a television show, of screening “Razor” in movie theaters in eight cities around the country this month. Mr. Howe said the screenings, sponsored by Microsoft, led to lines “around the block” at participating theaters, two of them in Manhattan.

As with many television shows, production of the “Battlestar” series is hobbled by the writers’ strike. The first half of the forthcoming season is unaffected, Mr. Howe said, but the second half could be delayed.

That also means that the answer to the big question hanging over the series — will the survivors find Earth? — may hang in the balance.

Mr. Moore offered only a hint on that point: “I think we’ll get to someplace that might be Earth.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/11/21/arts/television/21batt.html?_r=1&ref=television&oref=slogin

Yeah id like to own it, Only in HD DVD, and at a reasonable price.

I watched the 7 part Flashback episodes, and all I can say, is well done on the look of the original cylons and there fighter. It looked great. very good CGI.

I sure hope that the spin off series Caprica gets a full green light for mini series and 1st. season order. I would love to see the whole first cylon war. (thats what the 7 episode flashback is based on) The few characters and there actors looked great for the role.

Razor is looking good so far! Boy, I sure miss seeing this series on a regular basis.

Same top notch quality of the series...excellent and entertaining

really cannot wait for S4

another fast 2 hours. Great job by all. DEC 4th will have my copy of the DVD

Awesomeness. It left me wanting to see it again! And the Season 4 promo said March not April, so a bit of good news on that front!

Great episode or movie!

Great episode or movie!

Totally!

I liked it, anyone think The Directv pq was not HD, letterbox but not HD, It was better than normal.

This looked like a shelved episode that they tossed together, from bits and pieces, glad they did it, but it added little to the end story, DVD money grab?
They say unrated, what could that mean, deleted bedroom scenes with the 6?:D

I liked it, anyone think The Directv pq was not HD, letterbox but not HD, It was better than normal.

This looked like a shelved episode that they tossed together, from bits and pieces, glad they did it, but it added little to the end story, DVD money grab?
They say unrated, what could that mean, deleted bedroom scenes with the 6?:D

It wasn't letterboxed. It was full HD.

It wasn't letterboxed. It was full HD.

Not HD from my perspective, not even DVD quality.

Not HD from my perspective, not even DVD quality.

You must not have seen it on SciFi-HD, it was definitely 16x9-1:78 AR HD, except for those times of course when SciFi ran it's 1/3 of the screen size promos, then it became a cropped 16x6 image. :rolleyes:

The contrasty look to the image is a style choice made by the creators. and in my opinion fits the content of the show perfectly.

My only, somewhat minor complaint, is the audio. SciFi shows have this pulsing thing going on with the audio where everything is practically at the same level. During dialog, which is already a tad bit too low, the background noises(ship noise, etc) drop down, but when the dialog is over the background noises come back up in level, it's as if the dynamic range is compressed. I was hoping we'd see an end to that when SciFi came out with their HD channel. Get the same type of thing with USA-HD.

God I wish I watched that in HD last night...the SD is just so pitiful...here's hoping we get Sci-Fi-HD before they stop airing Razor (and preferably before Tinman as well)

I looked at online schedule, and couldn't find a re-airing.

I looked at online schedule, and couldn't find a re-airing.


Not surprising considering the release of the DVD. Actually, the description of it sounds pretty good.

They intentionally pump digital noise into the video to give it a documentary look of film grain. The mini-series was shot on film; economics forced them to go to HDCam for production of the series which pissed Michael Rhymer off until they paired him with a post processing guy who'd developed a technique for emulating film grain in all but bright exterior scenes, of which BSG has few.

Even given the intentionally grainy look of the video, HD broadcast makes it look considerably better than the low bit rate 16:9-letterboxed-in-a-4:3 window version that you get on the SD Sci Fi channel on cable and DBS.

I looked at online schedule, and couldn't find a re-airing.

Search on your Guide...I found quite a few airings...

No Razor, just 7 Dec for BSG episodes. No HD sat yet.

TiVo's Guide isn't showing any more airings of "Razor" in the next 2 weeks (it shows it as just a 2 hour episode of the series--it aired yesterday at 9 PM and 1 AM this morning, PDT). It does show several episodes from Season 3 over those 2 weeks on Sci Fi.

I know that they're not advertising an HD disc of Razor, which seems a mistake. A significant portion of the viewership must be early-adopter freaks like many of us. They're definitely not getting my money for a standard def DVD of anything. I don't think I've watched 3 standard-def discs this year and I certainly haven't bought any.

I was really impressed with Stephanie Jacobsen's performance, too bad they killed her off, I would like to have seen more of her in the coming season.

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Found a short interview below,

http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/show/23557/an-exclusive-interview-with-stephanie-chaves-jacobsen!/topic/11046-880173/msgs.html

She really was good in the role. I have to say the casting in this series has been impeccable. Truly a great ensemble from the major characters down to the minor roles.

The only mistake I can think of was Adama's wife last season. That actress just didn't bring it, at all.

Not to mention she's gorgeous...

What did everyone think of the CGI Original Cylons and there ships?

Tell me a series based on the 1st. cylon war would not be a hit?

What did everyone think of the CGI Original Cylons and there ships?

Brought back some fond memories.

Not to mention she's gorgeous...

Yes, she is, fell in love the minute I saw her. She's a real child of the world, an Australian born in Hong Kong from a Chinese-Norwegian-English father and a Portuguese mother. :)

Brought back some fond memories.

I was very happy to see them appear...I felt like it was 1980 again!

"By Your Command" Cracked me up!

I was disappointed they didn't dress young Bill Adama in the Original Series uniform :-)

I was very happy to see them appear...I felt like it was 1980 again!

"By Your Command" Cracked me up!

I was disappointed they didn't dress young Bill Adama in the Original Series uniform :-)

That would have been great!

I was disappointed they didn't dress young Bill Adama in the Original Series uniform :-)
Yeah, I was kind of surprised/disappointed too. Wouldn't have been too hard to re-create one of the vintage uniforms from TOS.

The old Cylon Centurion "red eye" models looked great in CGI- especially since they ditched the skirt they wore back in 1980.

Stephanie Jacobsen- wow! Where has she been hiding?? Maybe she escaped at the last min ;););).
I'm sure 99.99% of the male audience would love to see her in the main series. She is gorgeous, has a killer accent- and plays a really angry XO. Bring her back.... please! Just thinking out loud here... she would be a great replacement for Tigh....

I didn't have high hopes for Razor, but I was pleasantly surprised. It just reminds you how good the BSG franchise is... and how bad the current network offerings are.

Yeah, I was kind of surprised/disappointed too. Wouldn't have been too hard to re-create one of the vintage uniforms from TOS.

The old Cylon Centurion "red eye" models looked great in CGI- especially since they ditched the skirt they wore back in 1980.

Stephanie Jacobsen- wow! Where has she been hiding?? Maybe she escaped at the last min ;););).
I'm sure 99.99% of the male audience would love to see her in the main series. She is gorgeous, has a killer accent- and plays a really angry XO. Bring her back.... please! Just thinking out loud here... she would be a great replacement for Tigh....

I didn't have high hopes for Razor, but I was pleasantly surprised. It just reminds you how good the BSG franchise is... and how bad the current network offerings are.

Jacobsen....RED HOT and a good actress...would definitely liked to have seen her on the main series in a regular role. Ah well....


To be honest I didn't expect much from this 'prequel'...but they did a great job of working the plot into information that we'd already been given and expanding on it.

One thing that was truly new:

The "hybrid"'s prediction that Kara Thrace would lead humanity to it's doom...wonder what to make of that. Can you trust the source? I don't think so...

I think you can interpret what the hybrid said many ways. It depends on what point of view he was speaking from....

"Kara Thrace is the herald of the apocalypse" could mean an apocalypse for the Cylons. He may not want the humans to follow her because it would be bad for the Cylons. The statement that she will "lead the human race to its end" may just mean to their goal, or perhaps some coming together of the Cylon/human races, i.e., Hera is the "shape of things to come."

I found it interesting that in the previews of the next season they said "four have been revealed; one remains unknown" which I suppose is a confirmation that Tigh, Tyrol, Anders and Foster are four of the "Final Five" Cylon forms (difficult to believe, since Adama-the-Elder has known Tigh since the first Cylon war). I was a little doubtful of that, though there's little other explanation for them all being drawn together by phantom hearing of a Hendrix tune :rolleyes:. If the Cylon forms were designed by those perverse hybrids, anything's possible--the known forms make up a pretty frickin' deeply disfunctional family.

I wasn't all that impressed by Chaves-Jacobsen. Pretty girl, but her Aussie accent is the opposite of sexy for me--it's like a cold shower.

I wasn't all that impressed by Chaves-Jacobsen. Pretty girl, but her Aussie accent is the opposite of sexy for me--it's like a cold shower.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

:)

question.. I never really followed the old series, but has it ever been explained how and why the clyons were created? We know they were created by man... but how did they get to where they are?

question.. I never really followed the old series, but has it ever been explained how and why the clyons were created? We know they were created by man... but how did they get to where they are?

Weirdly enough, they weren't created by man in TOS...some other lizard like race made them, but they turned on their creators then went after us.

From Wikipedia:

History

In the 1978 Galactica movie and series and the 1980 spin-off, the Cylons were created to serve the reptilian race of the Cylon Alliance.

Cylons are robots created by an extinct reptilian race, as related by Apollo in the premiere episode. As a reminder of their reptilian roots, some advanced Cylon models keep large lizards as pets, as glimpsed in several scenes. In the episode "War of the Gods", Count Baltar mentions that he recognizes Iblis's voice as that of the Cylon leader, and Iblis counters that if that was true it must have been "transcribed" over a thousand yahren (years) ago.

At the beginning of the series the Cylons are singularly devoted to the destruction of humanity. The war started when the Cylon empire sought to expand into the territory of the Hasaries, and the Human Colonies intervened on behalf of the conquered Hasaries. Due to those events, the Cylon empire now viewed the entire human race as a target.

question.. I never really followed the old series, but has it ever been explained how and why the clyons were created? We know they were created by man... but how did they get to where they are?

In the current version, they were created as servants....but evidentally didn't like the arrangement and rebelled. What has been revealed in the series, and especially in Razor, is that they are trying to evolve....thus the hybrid experiment of half human, half Cylon. That eventually resulted the development of models like #6 who except for a silica brain, and virtually indistinguisable from a human----except they are unable to reproduce.

The next step in that evolution is to be able to reproduce....as Boomer did...and, ironically, become the very thing they are trying to destroy: fully human. Apparently, though, they still need a "real" human to make that happen. So, the basic irony is that if they are successful in wiping out humanity, they will doom themselves. A classic example of what you want to destroy you need and want to be.

thanks all!! could be a great future series detailing how the cylons were created...

In the current version, they were created as servants....but evidentally didn't like the arrangement and rebelled. What has been revealed in the series, and especially in Razor, is that they are trying to evolve....thus the hybrid experiment of half human, half Cylon. That eventually resulted the development of models like #6 who except for a silica brain, and virtually indistinguisable from a human----except they are unable to reproduce.

The next step in that evolution is to be able to reproduce....as Boomer did...and, ironically, become the very thing they are trying to destroy: fully human. Apparently, though, they still need a "real" human to make that happen. So, the basic irony is that if they are successful in wiping out humanity, they will doom themselves. A classic example of what you want to destroy you need and want to be.

Great insight. Just thinking about the silicon brain--you'd think Baltar would have found a very easy way to create a cylon detector if their brains were silicon!

Great insight. Just thinking about the silicon brain--you'd think Baltar would have found a very easy way to create a cylon detector if their brains were silicon!

This is going back to an earlier season....Baltar actually did develop a "Cylon detector" that worked. IIRC, he tried it out on Boomer, and it read positive, but Six indicated that if he were to tell Boomer that, she might react badly, like rip his heart out of something.

Yeah, I don't think that their brains are perceptibly different in composition or structure, or Doc Cottle would have noticed in his original autopsies of them. How Sharon (Athena) could stick a data cable in her arm and use it to disable an attacking Cylon force through a virus they'd infected Galactica's computers with is beyond me, given physiology that wasn't easily detectibly different from human.

This whole idea of the humanoid Cylons being silica-based life forms was introduced during the miniseries with Leoben in the armory, but never really expanded upon, or even mentioned again I don't believe. That, and the Boomer-data-cable thing, and the long-abandoned glowing spine during sex thing, all led me to believe that their physiology would be dramatically different, as well as easily detectable, from humans. That it apparently isn't the case is a failure of continuity, I believe. Don't know if Moore or Eick have ever addressed it....?

Another thread that could have proved interesting if developed was the numerical compulsion to attack every 33 minutes in the first episode "33". I thought maybe the Cylons would have this odd dependence on certain numerical sequences involving 3's, which would have gone to reinforce their "machine-ness" and thus their fundamental difference from humans. That too was an fascinating idea that was just dropped and never reintroduced, as far as I know.

Interesting, I never saw that possibility (that the Cylons had some sort of Pentium FPU bug). I had settled on thinking of the 33 minutes as less of a Cylon compulsion, than an exploitation of anticipatory dread combined with sleep deprivation and task overload.

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Interesting, I never saw that possibility (that the Cylons had some sort of Pentium FPU bug). I had settled on thinking of the 33 minutes as less of a Cylon compulsion, than an exploitation of anticipatory dread combined with sleep deprivation and task overload.

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They are running Vista and STILL haven't gotten Service Pack 1. Explains a lot. :D

Another thread that could have proved interesting if developed was the numerical compulsion to attack every 33 minutes in the first episode "33". I thought maybe the Cylons would have this odd dependence on certain numerical sequences involving 3's, which would have gone to reinforce their "machine-ness" and thus their fundamental difference from humans. That too was an fascinating idea that was just dropped and never reintroduced, as far as I know.
Ron Moore explained in his blog (http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/#a000012) why the number 33 is not explained.

How Sharon (Athena) could stick a data cable in her arm and use it to disable an attacking Cylon force through a virus they'd infected Galactica's computers with is beyond me, given physiology that wasn't easily detectibly different from human.

Nano bots...

You'd think that nanobots would be visible in an examination of her blood under a microscope--apparently nothing was.

Biochemical computer, like the human body. The glowing spine is cool, must lite up the room, I guess theres no porn stars that are cylons, since this would blow their cover.

Everything in the human body is controlled by electricity...is it that far of a stretch to think that the Cylons figured out a way to tap into the electricity inside the body and act like an organic computer? All the cells are the same, the brain can just manipulate them differently...

Just watched the DVD for Razor. The unedited extended version had some extra scenes in it, like what was in the Razor flashbacks plus more. You also see Kane as a kid. More then on the broadcast version. So highly advised to watch the extended version.
And the CGI "chrome toasters" of old was good to see. Seeing their vision with the scanning red eye was cool. And hearing them speak, specially the gold Cylon. Really brought back memories.

Just watched the DVD for Razor. The unedited extended version had some extra scenes in it, like what was in the Razor flashbacks plus more. You also see Kane as a kid. More then on the broadcast version. So highly advised to watch the extended version.
And the CGI "chrome toasters" of old was good to see. Seeing their vision with the scanning red eye was cool. And hearing them speak, specially the gold Cylon. Really brought back memories.
I watched the DVD last night. Great movie!! Very well done. I'm more excited than ever for the final season. I'm also glad they decided to finish the story in 4 seasons, rather than drag it out and sacrifice quality. I will be sad to see it end though. Hopefully, R.M. will come up with another great show. I really wish Universal HD would re-air BSG in HD soon. They do claim BSG is returning in 2008 on Universal HD's website. I'm not sure what that means exactly. Will they air BSG Season 3, another season, Razor, or maybe air Season 4 a few weeks after they air on SciFi?

The next step in that evolution is to be able to reproduce....as Boomer did...and, ironically, become the very thing they are trying to destroy: fully human. Apparently, though, they still need a "real" human to make that happen.


Maybe the "female" cylons are fully functional, but their "males" aren't? :D

That's why Boomer needed the Chief, and why Six needs Boltar?

The old Cylon Centurion "red eye" models looked great in CGI- especially since they ditched the skirt they wore back in 1980.


I missed their skirt. :(

Missing the skirt made me wonder if they were indeed the old Centurion models.

Will they air BSG Season 3, another season, Razor, or maybe air Season 4 a few weeks after they air on SciFi?

They already aired Season 3, lagging SciFi by a few weeks (I forgot just how many). I would assume that will continue to be true for Season 4, though now that there is a SciFi-HD channel, it isn't as certain.

Maybe the "female" cylons are fully functional, but their "males" aren't? :D

That's why Boomer needed the Chief, and why Six needs Boltar?

Yea, but the Chief is a Cylon too it turns out, and he made a baby with a human no problem.

Which may mean they need at least one of the partners to be human to reproduce. Two Cylons can't have a child.

Yea, but the Chief is a Cylon too it turns out, and he made a baby with a human no problem.

Hum... I forgot that.

Possibly, the Cylon 'net doesn't get the Viagra SPAM. So, if the Cylon is on the Colonial 'net (ie, living with humans), they can reproduce. :D

Ron Moore explained in his blog (http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/#a000012) why the number 33 is not explained.

I just thought 33 minutes was exactly how long it took for the cylon's to be able to detect and intercept the Galactica within a certain area in space. I do see it strange that Tigh could be a Cylon if he grew up with Adama however I'm sure that will be explained eventually...

Could there be the "original" humans too? I mean, a real human of Boomer, the Chief, Tigh, etc.

I thought that out of story, one of the writers said there was no [human Boomer]...
Razor:Although the bit with Gina "Resurrection" Inviere was a bit tempting towards the possibility that there may have been original models for the others...(not sure how much Razor should be in the Season 3 thread...)

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Well, they screwed up the Battlestar Galactica: Season One HD DVD set. Really, really bad video problems, it seems, as well as horrible physical packaging. The reviewer raved about the show, though, and the lossless audio track was apparently outstanding. From the High-Def Digest review (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/682/battlestargalactica_s1.html):
As a series, I can't recommend 'Battlestar Galactica' enough. Unfortunately, this HD DVD release is a mess from top to bottom that should be rented and evaluated long before it's purchased. Even if you get an undamaged case with unscratched discs and manage to avoid the random audio discrepancies people are encountering, you'll find a release with questionable video quality that suffers from artifacting and other technical problems. The only upside is an improved TrueHD audio track and a healthy collection of supplements. Still, this remains one of the most disappointing HD DVD releases I've reviewed and a real letdown for 'Battlestar' fans everywhere.Oh well. :mad:

Good news! Universal finally announced the Season 3 DVD set for March 25th. Here is a link to the details...

http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/news/Battlestar-Galactica-Season-3/8715

No word on an HD DVD set.

Ridiculous...March?? ugh

Ridiculous...March?? ughWhat's ridiculous about it?

What's ridiculous about it?

They should have released the DVD months ago...I'm sick of waiting for it.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: When dealing with a serial show, it's stupid to release a DVD set so close to the following season premiere that people who would like to get onboard for the new season can't do so because they don't have enough time to make it through the previous season and catch-up.

It's stupid planning, stupid marketing, stupid promotion. You see it all the time with these sorts of shows. I wanted to get into 'Friday Night Lights' this year, the show's second season. But they released the first season DVD set so close to this year's premiere that if I hadn't had a DVR to "bank" about half a dozen of this year's episodes, I never would have bothered with this season at all. And FNL's DVD set was considered an "early" release, a few weeks earlier than normal! Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole game predicated on how many eyeballs they can sell to advertisers for this season? So you'd want as many on board for the telecast as possible? Madness. It's madness I tell you.

This pic is in the new Entertainment Weekly. Some people may find the text spoilery. Really, it's no more than hints about where they're going, but if you are a spoiler virgin, you have been warned. The picture is ... awesome.

http://www.bsg.cz/imgs/news/2008-01/others/posledni_vecere.jpg

EW says the premiere of Season 4 will be FRIDAY, April 4th!

This pic is in the new Entertainment Weekly. Some people may find the text spoilery. Really, it's no more than hints about where they're going, but if you are a spoiler virgin, you have been warned. The picture is ... awesome.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg

EW says the premiere of Season 4 will be FRIDAY, April 4th!

Lovely. Just lovely. As if I weren't impatient enough for the season to start....now THIS!!!!

Well, they screwed up the Battlestar Galactica: Season One HD DVD set. Really, really bad video problems, it seems, as well as horrible physical packaging. The reviewer raved about the show, though, and the lossless audio track was apparently outstanding. From the High-Def Digest review (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/682/battlestargalactica_s1.html):
Oh well. :mad:

I can concur about the packaging and the video... This is one of my favorite shows of alltime and I'm really enjoying watching Season 1 again. But it's a pain getting the discs out of the cheap plastic knobs they are stuck on and the video is EXTREMELY grainy even at low contrast and brightness settings.

It looks like when you crank your contrast and brightness all the way up and you see all the artifacts. It's really, really bad. The show rocks though.

EW says the premiere of Season 4 will be FRIDAY, April 4th!In the middle of last night's Stargate: Atlantis (in the 24th minute of my TiVo recording at the very beginning of a break) is a 30 second BSG ad with a shadow flowing across a face which morphs into that of various cast members as the shadow passes with various voice overs and a somber bit of string music. No real spoilers: Six--"I was instrumental in the destruction of humanity", Baltar--"I have failed so many people", Tigh--"I am an officer and if I die today, that's the man I'll be", Roslin--"I'm not going to trust her with the fate of this fleet", Starbuck--"Shoot me--I'm not afraid to die", Adama--"No one's asking anyone to forget, but we have to look to the future". At the end, the title graphic appears, under which is printed "Coming In March".

I have heard that there will be a "The Story So Far" type of episode that will air before Season 4. It may air at the end of March. I can't remember where I read that, though. This is the first actual date we've gotten (the April 4 from EW). I am hoping it's the real deal because I much prefer the show on Friday nights, just for my own personal preference. It sucked having to watch the show late Sunday night and then go straight to bed because I had to work the next day.

This pic is in the new Entertainment Weekly. Some people may find the text spoilery. Really, it's no more than hints about where they're going, but if you are a spoiler virgin, you have been warned. The picture is ... awesome.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg

EW says the premiere of Season 4 will be FRIDAY, April 4th!

OMG! What a way-cool bit of awesomeness to start my day with! Thanks loco! :)

You're welcome, archiguy! I've been staring at it off and on since yesterday. Trying to figure out who's looking at who and what kind of symbolism there is.... great stuff!

This pic is in the new Entertainment Weekly. Some people may find the text spoilery. Really, it's no more than hints about where they're going, but if you are a spoiler virgin, you have been warned. The picture is ... awesome.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg

EW says the premiere of Season 4 will be FRIDAY, April 4th!

I posted earlier in this thread about Baltar looking a bit like Jesus. Now this pic has a "Last Supper"-like look to it. You have to wonder if Baltar is going to have some major role to play w.r.t. the Cylons and their "God".

I posted earlier in this thread about Baltar looking a bit like Jesus. Now this pic has a "Last Supper"-like look to it. You have to wonder if Baltar is going to have some major role to play w.r.t. the Cylons and their "God".


Well, if you look at the picture again....the chalice is in front of the "missing" person which makes it even more interesting

Well, if you look at the picture again....the chalice is in front of the "missing" person which makes it even more interesting Now I think you're grasping at straws.There's no such chalice in Da Vinci's composition.Interesting that they've removed the text. EDIT: The text hasn't been removed, the link has just been changed in the original post to a version of the picture without text.The version with text here (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg) does mention the missing person behind the chalice.

Now I think you're grasping at straws.There's no such chalice in Da Vinci's composition.Interesting that they've removed the text. EDIT: The text hasn't been removed, the link has just been changed in the original post to a version of the picture without text.The version with text here (http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg) does mention the missing person behind the chalice.


I wasn't thinking about that particular artist's version of the event, but the actual one where that object was very much in use :D

Interesting that they've removed the text. EDIT: The text hasn't been removed, the link has just been changed in the original post to a version of the picture without text.


Yeah, sorry.... with text:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg

without text and a little clearer:
http://www.bsg.cz/imgs/news/2008-01/others/posledni_vecere.jpg

:)

That is such a cool shot...

I can concur about the packaging and the video... This is one of my favorite shows of alltime and I'm really enjoying watching Season 1 again. But it's a pain getting the discs out of the cheap plastic knobs they are stuck on and the video is EXTREMELY grainy even at low contrast and brightness settings.

It looks like when you crank your contrast and brightness all the way up and you see all the artifacts. It's really, really bad. The show rocks though.


I watched the HD-DVD Mini-Series and '33' yesterday. I don't really see what you're complaining about. It looked great on my system. As far as the 'grain' goes, much of that is a product of the original filming process in low light, and also is to give the show a disired 'look' that the director wanted. It is not due to the digital processing. Also, I don't see why some people are having problems with getting the discs out. If you simply grasp the disc around it's outer edges and twist as you pull up, the disc come out rather easily.

Regarding the S4 promo picture and "The Last Supper",
Actually to me it looks like...


Baltar's six is in the focal point, in position of Jesus and with the same color no less
Also looks like Baltar is in a "Subservient Position" with respect to 6...nothing new there ;)
Just me making up stuff ;)

I think the Six is fraking HOT! I worship her too...:D so this why theres many gods for man, they were all cylons, while cylons worship only one god, since they never saw themselves as gods.. End of story.

I watched the HD-DVD Mini-Series and '33' yesterday. I don't really see what you're complaining about. It looked great on my system. As far as the 'grain' goes, much of that is a product of the original filming process in low light, and also is to give the show a disired 'look' that the director wanted. It is not due to the digital processing. Also, I don't see why some people are having problems with getting the discs out. If you simply grasp the disc around it's outer edges and twist as you pull up, the disc come out rather easily.Bildemart was agreeing with the High-Def Digest review (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/682/battlestargalactica_s1.html) of the HD DVD set, where the reviewer felt that the video quality wasn't markedly superior to standard-definition DVD set (in full consideration of the fact that the heavy film grain--realized with film in the mini-series and digitally simulated in the weekly episodes, which are shot on HDCam to save time and money--was directorial intent) and gave it 2.5 out of 5 stars. He also thought that the physical quality of the packaging was atrocious. He did think that the TrueHD audio track was good and superior to the standard-def DVD, though not as good as it could be. He gave the story 5 out of 5 stars and gave the product an overal 3.5 stars on the strength of that.

I haven't seen it on HD DVD, but I can only hope that the mini-series was improved from the standard-def edition of that, which was just about as bad as DVD ever gets, limp, washed out and scratched looking throughout.

Yeah, sorry.... with text:
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o215/pennyfeline/BSG/merged-s.jpg

without text and a little clearer:
http://www.bsg.cz/imgs/news/2008-01/others/posledni_vecere.jpg

:)

Maybe this has been covered elsewhere, but where is the character of Tory Foster (played by the attractive Rekha Sharma) in that pic? You would think that by showing the 3 of the final 5 Cylons, she would at least be in that pic. My theory is that because she's part of a lower tier of the cast, she would not feature in that teaser.

Here's what I've come up with since looking at the picture I'm now calling "The Last Supper of Kobol":

1) There's 12 people in that pic, symbolic of the 12 colonies . The "missing" person would have some connection to the 13th colony, but I can't figure out what that connection would be.

2) Roslin is burning something that would be part of a religious ceremony. Her face has a very determined look, probably sensing the storm coming over the horizon.

3) Natalie, IMHO, is not pointing at Number Six, but at Helo and Athena, and very accusingly as well. Blaming them for something? We'll see.

4) Lee Adama is still in his non-military garb, probably reprising his role as a lawyer? Is that a law journal / publication in front of him? And notice his proximity to Colonel Tigh AND Baltar? Rubbing shoulders with Baltar (literally) would indicate a future collaboration of some kind.

5) Baltar looking up at Six in awe or worship. Is it my imagination or does she look angelic / majestic / deity-like (take your pick)? The light just seems to wrap itself around her. She's practically glowing.

6) Starbuck with her eyes (seemingly) closed, but with her hand on the book in front of her.

7) Athena, almost in fear, is seeking comfort in Helo's embrace. From who? Six, or Natalie? I say the latter. A book is in front of them as well as Chief Tyrol. Who is the open book? And notice that that's the ONLY open book.

8) And finally, Bill Adama. He is closest to the viewer, looking off into the distance (read: future) whereas Lee's focus is much shorter, looking at the chalice in front of him.

That flag on the table. Is it the flag of Caprica, or the flag representing the 12 colonies of Kobol?

Just my thoughts.

I thought I had read that the 5th cylon is someone we have already been introduced before. Who is this mystery 5th cylon? The 5th is not someone at the table, so who are we missing?

(Major and some minor) Characters not at the table (and presuming the 5th cylon is not someone we have seen and then killed):
Felix Gaeta
Dualla
Cally
Tom Zarek
Doc Cottle
Hot Dog
Racetrack
Seelix

I thought I had read that the 5th cylon is someone we have already been introduced before. Who is this mystery 5th cylon? The 5th is not someone at the table, so who are we missing?

(Major and some minor) Characters not at the table (and presuming the 5th cylon is not someone we have seen and then killed):
Felix Gaeta
Dualla
Cally
Tom Zarek
Doc Cottle
Hot Dog
Racetrack
Seelix

I was thinking Gaeta and Dualla myself. Won't be Cally as she and Tyrol had a kid and they both can't be Cylons or else the Cylons would be increasing the humanoid population the old fashioned way. haha
As for the rest, guess we might be finding out soon-ish.

There are a number of us who felt there were hints being dropped in earlier seasons about Dualla being a Cylon. Could still happen.

Oh ya. I even said it myself a while ago, that Dualla would be a great sleeper. Who would suspect her. I had also said Calli at one point making her and Tyrol's baby a half Cylon. Got that part right, just not which parent. haha
But my money is on Dualla right now.

Which may mean they need at least one of the partners to be human to reproduce. Two Cylons can't have a child.

Or maybe Callie strayed :-)

Another vote for Lieutenant (J.G) Anastasia "Dee" Dualla and her eyes...

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OK, here is a great video previewing Season 4. It is extremely spoilery, though. I kind of wish I hadn't seen it. But at this rate, I'll probably forget everything by the time the season starts. :)

Enjoy, if you dare....
http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=bkYvXmD94e0

Amazon just began pre-orders for Season 3 DVD....still 3+ months away though!

I guess I scared people away from watching that video.... can't believe there are no comments.

Anyway, Season 4 looks like it is going to be an amazing ride!

I guess I scared people away from watching that video.... can't believe there are no comments.

Anyway, Season 4 looks like it is going to be an amazing ride!

I watched it... Looks great.

I watched it too. Interesting, but I didn't think that it was all that revealing.

Hmmm, OK. I just want to err on the side of caution when giving spoiler warnings. I think I would prefer it if I hadn't seen it. One pretty big moment in what looks like the season opener appears to be given away in this video.

But now that I have seen this, I'm even more psyched about the next season. :D

I saw that video on youtube a month or so ago and then up here in Canada a week ago on the SPACE channel, on a show called HypaSPACE weekly, they did a bit on season 4 and they showed some spoilers, talked with cast about what was coming up, so ya, going to be very a interesting season.

I don't know whether this has already been posted, so sorry if it has, but the Battlestar Season 1-3 box set (16 discs) is selling for about 75 bucks shipped at the co dot uk version of amazon. The catch is you'll need a region free player (discs are Region 2) and it's in PAL (vs NTSC) format so your DVD player and TV will need to support PAL.

The price displays as just under 40 pounds and for some reason when I check out, it gets discounted to about 34 pounds and shipping to U.S. is only about 3, so with the conversion rate, it's about 75 bucks.

The HD DVD and Blu Ray sections have a discounts/deals thread, but I didn't see one for standard DVD, so thought people would be most interested in this thread. Just thought I'd post this as it's a much better deal than buying U.S. versions of Seasons 1, 2.0, 2.5, and 3 (when it's available in March!).

Okay kids, finally got the BSG thread moved back here to civilization from the hinterlands to which it had been banished. But SciFi-HD to the rescue and we're back! And so is the Peabody Award winning 'Battlestar Galactica' - just 3 more weeks until our long national nightmare is over and the best show on TV not named LOST is back on the air!

So, is Starbuck for real? Will Tigh just go completely unhinged now that he knows he's a toaster? Can Tricia Helfer look any hotter? Discuss. :D

Okay kids, finally got the BSG thread moved back here to civilization from the hinterlands to which it had been banished. But SciFi-HD to the rescue and we're back! And so is the Peabody Award winning 'Battlestar Galactica' - just 3 more weeks until our long national nightmare is over and the best show on TV not named LOST is back on the air!

So, is Starbuck for real? Will Tigh just go completely unhinged now that he knows he's a toaster? Can Tricia Helfer look any hotter? Discuss. :D


Good to see this thread back in normal space (and not some alternate timeline/parallel universe/quantum variant). ;)

So, let's see, it's been what, about 5 years since the last new episode?

I'm looking forward to this with anticipation and regret. Can't wait to see how the story ends, and don't want the story to end.....but glad that at least it will have a respectful ending for us who have been with it since the beginning.

Okay kids, finally got the BSG thread moved back here to civilization from the hinterlands to which it had been banished. But SciFi-HD to the rescue and we're back! And so is the Peabody Award winning 'Battlestar Galactica' - just 3 more weeks until our long national nightmare is over and the best show on TV not named LOST is back on the air!

So, is Starbuck for real? Will Tigh just go completely unhinged now that he knows he's a toaster? Can Tricia Helfer look any hotter? Discuss. :D

I'll tell you what is going to be tough for me... I recently bought my first HDTV and I've been re-watching BSG in HD on Universal-HD. Unfortunately, my cable operator (TWC) has not added SciFi-HD yet. That means I have a hard decision to make. Do I watch the first run episodes of the new season in SD, after watching it in HD for quite a while now? Or, do I wait for Universal-HD to start airing it? Tough decision! Can't wait for the new episodes though!

I'll tell you what is going to be tough for me... I recently bought my first HDTV and I've been re-watching BSG in HD on Universal-HD. Unfortunately, my cable operator (TWC) has not added SciFi-HD yet. That means I have a hard decision to make. Do I watch the first run episodes of the new season in SD, after watching it in HD for quite a while now? Or, do I wait for Universal-HD to start airing it? Tough decision! Can't wait for the new episodes though!

As a fellow TWC hostage, I feel your pain. Alas, the good fortune that hath befallen many of our brethren with satellite and more enlightened cable companies still eludes us, their downtrodden comrades with TimeWarnerCable. For me, I'm afraid I have no choice; can't wait. Been long enough. :(

I'll tell you what is going to be tough for me... I recently bought my first HDTV and I've been re-watching BSG in HD on Universal-HD. Unfortunately, my cable operator (TWC) has not added SciFi-HD yet. That means I have a hard decision to make. Do I watch the first run episodes of the new season in SD, after watching it in HD for quite a while now? Or, do I wait for Universal-HD to start airing it? Tough decision! Can't wait for the new episodes though!

Obviously that's a choice you'd have to make....but as careful as we might be to have this thread and a "no spoiler" thread....I'd suspect that despite your best efforts to remain insulated you'd probably somehow wind up hearing things you wish you hadn't.

I think HD is great, and it is too bad about your cable situation, but for me the story is so compelling and the wait has been so long that to delay any further would be agony. :eek:

I'll be getting the Sci-Fi-HD channel at the end of the month on Comcast. Yea, I'm happy!

Rub it in why don't ya! ;)

Yay! We're in the HD Programming forum! :)

I don't know about the rest of you, but I have seen too many promos for Season 4. While they look awesome, I feel like I've seen too much. Really don't want to be spoiled for this season!

And archiguy, I beg to differ on the Lost comment. :P :) You know, it's so weird. I just sent someone a BSG-related email with that same "long national nightmare is over" comment. LOL!

Anyway bring it on! I just re-watched Crossroads I and II today. I'm more than ready to get this started. Finally.

I got satellite last year, so I could watch scifi in HD. I cant believe its been a year already.

Yay! We're in the HD Programming forum! :)


Well, we have two people to thank for that: Alan Gouger for moving the thread back here and CP95 for changing the title to "Season 4" (well, he's promised; let's give him time). So, a big "so say we all" to those guys. :D

Okay kids, finally got the BSG thread moved back here to civilization from the hinterlands to which it had been banished. But SciFi-HD to the rescue and we're back! And so is the Peabody Award winning 'Battlestar Galactica' - just 3 more weeks until our long national nightmare is over and the best show on TV not named LOST is back on the air!

Wow, can't believe any BSG thread would go dormant for 3 months. :eek:
Well my provider doesn't have Sci-Fi HD yet (or maybe ever), so I'll continue playing the SD/HD richochet games between plain ol' Sci-Fi and UHD, but after 3 years it almost seems like a habit anyway.

So, is Starbuck for real?
Honestly, who cares what she turns out to be as long as Kaytee's on board playing her. Btw, for the hardcore KS fans, I see the 1st (and last) season of The Bionic Woman comes out on DVD this week. To meet the anticipated demand, Best Buy has promised to have at least 2 copies of the DVD series available in each of their stores. :D
Can Tricia Helfer look any hotter? Discuss. :D
If she can ever figure out how to make herself look like Grace Park, it should be no problem. :p

Oh, and tickets for the Black Tie 2008 BSG Beauty Pageant will be going on sale in the late spring, and advance reservations are required. ;)

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Well, we have two people to thank for that: Alan Gouger for moving the thread back here and CP95 for changing the title to "Season 4" (well, he's promised; let's give him time). So, a big "so say we all" to those guys. :D

Sorry, been slacking lately. Trying to design a kitchen the past few days and wife expects the same thought/effort/budget that was spent on our home theater. :mad:

Sorry, been slacking lately. Trying to design a kitchen the past few days and wife expects the same thought/effort/budget that was spent on our home theater. :mad:

The nerve of some people...:rolleyes:

If she can ever figure out how to make herself look like Grace Park, it should be no problem. :p

Dang, you beat me to it!

So, how about a Razor repeat before Season 4? Looks like the studio really wants us to buy/rent the DVD.

Has production begun on the second half of the season (actually Season 5) now that the WGA strike is over?

So, how about a Razor repeat before Season 4? Looks like the studio really wants us to buy/rent the DVD.


Yeah I want to see it in HD!

So, how about a Razor repeat before Season 4? Looks like the studio really wants us to buy/rent the DVD.

Has production begun on the second half of the season (actually Season 5) now that the WGA strike is over?

Last I heard, the cast goes back to work in Vancouver March 24th.

Obviously that's a choice you'd have to make....but as careful as we might be to have this thread and a "no spoiler" thread....I'd suspect that despite your best efforts to remain insulated you'd probably somehow wind up hearing things you wish you hadn't.

I think HD is great, and it is too bad about your cable situation, but for me the story is so compelling and the wait has been so long that to delay any further would be agony. :eek:

Yeah, you are right. No way I can wait any longer. Now I have to decide if I should watch the SD version of the show on my 46" HDTV, or my smaller bedroom CRT. SD looks much better on a CRT. Or maybe I could just use ********** and download the HD version of the episodes and stream them to my HDTV using my Xbox 360... Whoops, did I say that out loud? :D

Well, Philly got screwed. We were supposed to get 8 new HDs on 3/18 but it got pushed back to 4/03 and not only that 3 of the HD channels we were supposed to get we aren't getting anymore. Guess what? Sci-Fi HD is one of those that got cut. I'm so bloody pissed right now you just don't know.

Well, Philly got screwed. We were supposed to get 8 new HDs on 3/18 but it got pushed back to 4/03 and not only that 3 of the HD channels we were supposed to get we aren't getting anymore. Guess what? Sci-Fi HD is one of those that got cut. I'm so bloody pissed right now you just don't know. Well that just ruined my night. :( I was really hoping to get to see BSG first-run in HD.

Life just isn't fair!!!

From 3/31 thru 4/4 Sci Fi is airing Season's 1-3 (about 50 episodes worth). How am I supposed to watch all of that BEFORE the season 4 kickoff?!?!?

And it will be that much worse if all of it is in HD because I didn't go HD until mid December so that's a lot of HD catching up that needs to be done.

Life just isn't fair!!!

From 3/31 thru 4/4 Sci Fi is airing Season's 1-3 (about 50 episodes worth). How am I supposed to watch all of that BEFORE the season 4 kickoff?!?!?

And it will be that much worse if all of it is in HD because I didn't go HD until mid December so that's a lot of HD catching up that needs to be done.

Time to get that 500 GB expansion drive for your DVR. ;)

Time to get that 500 GB expansion drive for your DVR. ;)

Hey, in order to watch all of this I'm going to have to use my vacation time for this instead of that trip to California anyway. Plane ticket, rental car, hotel....should cover the cost of extra gigs with room to spare :D :D :D

Amazon just began pre-orders for Season 3 DVD....still 3+ months away though!

But what about Season 3 in HD?!?!?!?!?!?! That's the real question. :p

Anyone know if Season 4 of BSG is going to be available on xbox Live?

Lost has their episodes available for download/streaming in HD right after they air. Just wondering if we might be able to hope for the same from BSG.

Season 3 dvd 1 arrives from Netflix today, I should have plenty of time to catch up before the Season 4 premiere. Been a long time, I couldn't tell a Cylon from a cyclone at this point.

When will reruns of season 4 start airing on UniversalHD? I don't get SciFi in HD :(

They're showing about half of the season 3 episodes today. I have Sci Fi HD, but the odd thing is that the episodes so far on SD letterboxed. I hope that future reruns and season 4 are in HD.