Originally posted by robertawillisjr
Will the fist season appear on Universal HD? Try reading the thread, guy. There was much discussion of this already.Originally posted by archiguy
BTW, the first episode in the series, "33" which picks up 5 days after the mini leaves off, is available for legal download from the SciFi Channel here (http://scifi.com/battlestar/).Uh...perhaps you could offer a more precise link? I poked around there for several minutes without finding it, and the posting of it is not mentioned in the "What's New" section.

Originally posted by robertawillisjr
Will the fist season appear on Universal HD? Sorry about my previous comment--that discussion wasn't apparently merged into this new superthread. You can some the pertinent comments here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5224710#post5224710) and a couple of posts below that here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5225739#post5225739). Basically, we can't be sure.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
perhaps you could offer a more precise link? I poked around there for several minutes without finding it, and the posting of it is not mentioned in the "What's New" section.
It's there. The long thin bar that says "Click here to watch the first episode online" etc. right under the purple navigation bar at the top.

If you still can't find it, here's a direct link:
http://scifi.com/battlestar/33_full_episode/

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Uh...perhaps you could offer a more precise link? I poked around there for several minutes without finding it, and the posting of it is not mentioned in the "What's New" section.

From that site, you just have to click on the verbiage near the top of the page, right underneath the title masthead, where it says "Click here to watch the first episode online......"

I tried it; it works. Give it another shot. It's also got 4 deleted scenes (so you know they're already working on the 1st season DVD set).

I would expect the first season DVD set to probably be release about the time season 2 starts or shortly thereafter. Seems to be the way these TV shows go nowadays. I for one am glad they have decided to release DVD's of TV series right away. I always figured they would wait as DVD could kill the syndication market but as SG-1 as proven, you can make millions selling DVD's and the ratings in syndication aren't hurt at all.

Originally posted by archiguy
From that site, you just have to click on the verbiage near the top of the page, right underneath the title masthead, where it says "Click here to watch the first episode online......"

I tried it; it works. Give it another shot. It's also got 4 deleted scenes (so you know they're already working on the 1st season DVD set). First season DVD set for Region 2 will ship at the end of March--see it at Amazon UK here (http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007L6SA8/ref=pd_sxp_elt_l1/026-7690990-5638035). Remember, this finished airing on SkyOne, a British satellite service, several weeks ago. As for those videos, RealPlayer shall never be installed on a system owned by me again. It's adware at its worst.

I suspect that the SkyOne people will not get Season 2 before us, since it doesn't begin shooting until March and will start airing here in summer.

For those interested, and have the capabilities, there is a high resolution rip of the first episode '33' available online. It's ripped from the Australian broadcast. It's not quite HD quality, but defintely better then SD. It's about a 700 meg Divx file.

Well what I've seen is good but it's not one of the best shows ever made, that's surely over-selling it. I guess to a hardcore sci-fi fan maybe it's one of the best dramas ever made.

You know what? I don't understand why every thread about BG has to mention illegal rips online being available. If people don't know, this isn't the place to talk about it. Do people not realize how high profile this site is?

Man it sure would be terrible to just wait and see it on UHD. They might even get good enough ratings and whatever else they do to measure audience to decide to do that with many more SciFi series that have already been broadcast in SD (and maybe HD) elsewhere.

Originally posted by turls
You know what? I don't understand why every thread about BG has to mention illegal rips online being available. If people don't know, this isn't the place to talk about it. Do people not realize how high profile this site is?


Sure they do, but before you get your panties all in a bunch, remember that this series is a little different in that it was broadcast in the UK several months prior to its debut here in the states. Lotta' folks on this side of the pond just couldn't wait (that's the producer's fault for making the show so damn good!). And then you have a minuscule percentage who download an episode because they missed the original telecast. But the vast majority of us have our butts sitting on our couches every Friday or Monday night watching the SciFi channel and supporting their advertisers, God bless 'em.

Complaining about downloaders just makes it seem like there are more of 'em than the the tiny fraction there really are. In reality, who would choose to watch something that way if they had a choice? Jerky video and unsync'ed audio on a tiny computer screen...? Nah, give me even an SD version on legit TV any day.

Originally posted by archiguy
Complaining about downloaders just makes it seem like there are more of 'em than the the tiny fraction there really are.For me, the complaint is not necessarily that people illegally download and preview episodes that have yet to air. My complaint is that people keep coming here and talking about future episodes. True, they haven't (yet) posted any details that could be considered "spoilers," but it's sort of annoying to keep reading things like, "you will be surprised when you see such and such episode," and "you will have many more questions when you see the season finale." It is the equivalent of sitting in movie theater and having someone keep saying, "oooh, here comes the good part!"

From my perspective, these comments do not inform, and they do not impress. They only irritate.

".....these comments do not inform, and they do not impress. They only irritate."

For sure, actually I think they do it out of EGO, ergo; "the mine is bigger than yours". In as much as the producers have begged folks not to do this, as it might screw things up for additional seasons here, I guess I find this is little more than irritating.

It would seem however this is way more common than you might think, folks I work with like to rub your nose in it, why I have no idea. Other than they don't have a HDTV but have DSL! ;-0

Have a great day, watch some HDTV of your choice.............

Originally posted by GregF
Well what I've seen is good but it's not one of the best shows ever made, that's surely over-selling it. I guess to a hardcore sci-fi fan maybe it's one of the best dramas ever made. I went from hating the mini-series to making that statement. After you've watched the entire first season, tell me how you feel about it. Certainly, not everone will hold the same opinion :).

The writing, acting, complex development of characters and relationships rival any commercially produced series on television, IMHO. The only thing I remain unimpressed with is the acting of the guy who plays Colonel Tigh.

Originally posted by archiguy
Sure they do, but before you get your panties all in a bunch, remember that this series is a little different in that it was broadcast in the UK several months prior to its debut here in the states. Lotta' folks on this side of the pond just couldn't wait (that's the producer's fault for making the show so damn good!). And then you have a minuscule percentage who download an episode because they missed the original telecast. But the vast majority of us have our butts sitting on our couches every Friday or Monday night watching the SciFi channel and supporting their advertisers, God bless 'em.

Complaining about downloaders just makes it seem like there are more of 'em than the the tiny fraction there really are. In reality, who would choose to watch something that way if they had a choice? Jerky video and unsync'ed audio on a tiny computer screen...? Nah, give me even an SD version on legit TV any day.

HUH!. You burn it to DVD to watch and it is not jerky, it's smooth. I haven't downloaded BG, but I have downloaded a couple of other shows where I missed an episode or two so I could get caught up. The qulaity was much better than the SD picture off DirecTv for the channel. Besides I would never watch a show on a little 19" screen. I watch it on my 57" set. Worst case I would watch it on my tiny 32" set that is 14 years old.

"I haven't downloaded BG, but I have downloaded a couple of other shows where I missed an episode or two so I could get caught up."

BUT, you miss the point, it's one thing to grab a stateside show that was ALREADY aired (as a last resort, re; TiVo, DVR, Tape, damn did i say that ;-) DVD etc, etc), though I'm sure the MPAA will correct me on that, BG was shown overseas in a different time frame (as in already in the can). It's producers ASKED folks here not to do this as it might screw up the SciFi deal, not hard to understand at all, if you like the show, is it?

At least, IMHO, folks doing this SHOULD keep it to themselves. YMMV.....

I'm actually a bit ashamed of having done what I did to see the rest of this season early--I'm a supporter of the MPAA's right to try to prevent piracy (for which downloading does not qualify--piracy is profiteering from illegal copying and distribution) and other forms of unauthorized copying of copyrighted media. I have never done so previously and don't anticipate doing it again. I did not keep anything, will purchase the DVD-set when it becomes available and have already purchased the mini-series on DVD. I just succumbed to overwhelming, burning curiosity.

I just read an estimate by a web-tracking company called "Envisional" that 18.5% of illegal television downloads are by people in the UK, with another 16% accounted for by people in Australia, versus 7% in the US; I now understand why :D. They see all US television long after it's aired here--it has to be maddening, knowing that it's out there on the net. Also, broadband network connectivity is more pervasive in both nations. This is the first instance of anything that I cared about airing there first.

That being said, since I did it, I have not said anything in here about it except to praise it strongly, without giving any details (and to discuss whether it would be aired on UHD or not). I do think that those who have seen the rest of the season should stop commenting on details of the episodes; even if you're trying to confine yourself to what's been aired so far, it's impossible to remember what tiny details have been revealed. (A few posts back, somebody answered someone's questions and I'm fairly sure that one of his answers was a spoiler).

I don't think that my strong praise of it will hurt anybody. If, on the other hand, I'd hated it after I'd watched it, I wouldn't have come here and said "Gawd, what a POS! Don't waste your time!" ;)

I know that. What difference does that make? The point is this isn't the forum for endless mentions of downloading.

Originally posted by archiguy
Sure they do, but before you get your panties all in a bunch, remember that this series is a little different in that it was broadcast in the UK several months prior to its debut here in the states.

Originally posted by turls
I know that. What difference does that make? The point is this isn't the forum for endless mentions of downloading. We don't bring up how we watched the rest of the season--except once or twice when asked how, which can hardly be called "endlessly" (which I don't condone--if people want to help people with something like this, they should use PM). We merely say that we've watched it. So far as you know, we were all in Great Britain on extended business trips at the time. It's you and a few others in the past several posts who've complained about it by name, bringing it up "endlessly", precipitating this little discussion, the longest one on the topic that I've seen in these forums in a long time.

This is just silly at this point. I don't really trust your assessment, considering you missed a post within the last few days that was pretty specific and most definitely brought it up "by name" (and which is what I was referring to). I don't read every post about BG and I've noticed similar references plenty. But yeah, lets just keep talking about it, why don't we?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5240639#post5240639

Originally posted by michaeltscott
We merely say that we've watched it.

Originally posted by turls
This is just silly at this point. I don't really trust your assessment, considering you missed a post within the last few days that was pretty specific and most definitely brought it up "by name" (and which is what I was referring to). But yeah, lets just keep talking about it, why don't we?Yeah, lets, since you certainly could have chosen to stop after your last post, but don't seem to want to. You can prove it by not responding to this one. ;)

By "name" I meant the "d" word, and I stand corrected. I have read the original thread from the beginning and I can tell you that there are precious few posts like that one, except by people answering the "how have you seen those" question. But a couple of posts after that one, you lodged a complaint, which precipitated this entire discussion on the subject, as I said, the longest bunch of chat about what you were complaining about that I've seen here in a while. Ironic, ain't it?

Great show, no matter where it was watched or when. :-)

Let's move on to important things like: Boomer! Any good pics someone can post?

boomer - she is cute - but I dont get the wow factor like some

Originally posted by Iteki
Great show, no matter where it was watched or when. :-)

Let's move on to important things like: Boomer! Any good pics someone can post?

If you search the internet, you'd probably be able to find some pictures from this month's Maxim... I think that's what it was from... I saw them on some webpage, though I couldn't tell you which one.

~Alan

I was looking for photos of the actor who plays Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, Grace Park, and found that, curiously, there's an LPGA player of the same name, about a year older than the actor, who also happens to be of Asian descent (Korean, born in Seoul--the actor is a southern Cali girl, born in LA):

http://www.cliphoto.com/sports1/park3.jpg

You can see a couple of the slinky Maxim photos here (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pop_up.aspx?image_url_value=/girls/grace_park/gm_l1.jpg), here (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pop_up.aspx?image_url_value=/girls/grace_park/gm_l2.jpg), here (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pop_up.aspx?image_url_value=/girls/grace_park/gm_l3.jpg), and here (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/pop_up.aspx?image_url_value=/girls/grace_park/gm_l4.jpg) (there are more, and a video, but you have to subscribe to see them). Her "Girls of Maxim" online page is here (http://www.maximonline.com/girls_of_maxim/html/girl_1108.html).

[QUOTE]Originally posted by michaeltscott
[B]I was looking for photos of the actor who plays Lt. Sharon "Boomer" Valerii, Grace Park, and found that, curiously, there's an LPGA player of the same name, about a year older than the actor, who also happens to be of Asian descent (Korean, born in Seoul--the actor is a southern Cali girl, born in LA):


Now THAT'S what I'm talking about! Thanks :-)

Yeah, this is the Grace Park I was familiar with; hadn't heard of the actress who plays Boomer until the debut of this show.

Grace (the golfer) lends a desperately needed shot of glamor to the LPGA. Like it or not, sex appeal sells and women's golf is in terribly short supply of that key ingredient.

Originally posted by archiguy
Yeah, this is the Grace Park I was familiar with; hadn't heard of the actress who plays Boomer until the debut of this show.

Grace (the golfer) lends a desperately needed shot of glamor to the LPGA. Like it or not, sex appeal sells and women's golf is in terribly short supply of that key ingredient.

Yeah, I'm not into Golfers named 'unibrow' either...not a very good draw except for certain demographics :-)

Re: "Boomer"...

On the last week's episode (#108 "Flesh and Bone"), "Boomer", before getting a Cylon test from Baltar, was alone in the hanger with the Cylon fighter. She was carassing the Cylon as she was humming a tune.

I am pretty sure she was humming a Korean children's song ("gip-eun san-gol ong-dal-saem nu-ga-wa-seo meok-na-yo"). However, I am not certain if the melody also exists in other languages.

EDIT: After doing some web searching, it turns out the melody is from an European (German?) folk song.

Hong.

Originally posted by hongcho
On the last week's episode (#108 "Flesh and Bone"), "Boomer", before getting a Cylon test from Baltar, was alone in the hanger with the Cylon fighter. She was carassing the Cylon as she was humming a tune.I love Boomer's scenes in that episode and the previous one with the chief and the Cylon fighter--freaky! Interesting insight into "Cylon society", if these fighters are their "pets". Talk about your attack dogs :).

There's a thought--what do Cylons do when they're just kickin' back and not busy destroying what's left of humanity?

Originally posted by michaeltscott
I love Boomer's scenes in that episode and the previous one with the chief and the Cylon fighter--freaky! Interesting insight into "Cylon society", if these fighters are their "pets". Talk about your attack dogs :).

There's a thought--what do Cylons do when they're just kickin' back and not busy destroying what's left of humanity?

Practicing their sexual techniques?:D

I have to say... I'm a BIG fan!:D

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/gm_l1.jpg

"So say we all..."

Originally posted by optivity
I have to say... I'm a BIG fan!:D

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/gm_l1.jpg

"So say we all..."

And that's why I love the Internet...vital information can be shared! :-) Thanks man!

"Boomer" fans should run, not walk, to get the current issue of Maxim. I was pleasantly surprised to find her there. Aside from the great pictures, her description of filming the love scene in the forest is entertaining.

You know, I chose to only posted a link to that picture because I thought that this was maybe not the best forum to be posting pics of women in skimpy lingerie inline, but hey, who am I to set community standards? :rolleyes:

You know, I chose to only posted a link to that picture because I thought that this was maybe not the best forum to be posting pics of women in skimpy lingerie inline, but hey, who am I to set community standards?



Er... I'm not complaining. ;) And I don't think the FFC has jurisdiction over this forum. At least, not yet.

I don't want to come off as a prude or anything--believe me, I'm a typical single American male and very far from it. It's just that posting a picture like that inline, IMHO, is in the vein of telling an off-color joke at work. Even if you know that the crowd you're telling it to will appreciate it, you can't be sure that anyone who might overhear it won't be offended.

Obviously, the title of this thread quite clearly implies that if you enter it you can expect to see a picture like that, so easily offended people should hardly be shocked, right? :)

If the Mods find my post to be offensive they have the power to delete it. The good news is... more pictures are only a couple of "mouse-clicks" away.

Originally posted by Londo
Brother, you can say that again.....

I'm so very, very glad I'm having someone send over the UK recordings..

SCI FI HAS TOTALLY SCREWED UP THE THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that atonal, boring theme that was on SciFi last night IS NOT WHAT THE COMPOSERS WANTED...

quotes from here...

http://rgmusic.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099440941

11/2/04

"What I can tell you is that the main title sequence as it is airing in England has been quite controversial with the SciFi Network honchos. Where this is going to lead, I don't know yet. I'm keeping my head down for the moment."


12/20/04

"Okay here is the update. Apparently Bonnie Hammer (Scifi Network head honcho) has been very unhappy with the approach of the main title music as it is airing in England - too sad, I am told. Honestly I don't disagree totally - my first thought was to write a rousing main title way back when, but I was dissuaded from doing so at the time. At any rate they cut together a new piece of music consisting of a piece of instrumental score from the show going into the existing taiko drum piece. They asked me to "smooth it out" and improve it, but only slightly. I personally don't care for what they have done and have passed - they have basically squeezed the emotion from the opening, in my opinion. Bear is taking a stab at pleasing them now - I'm over it."


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you persue that thread you can hear the theme as it was meant to be.. and I'm now going to hold on to these discs even tighter (16:9 Anamorphic they are). And when the offical release comes about.. they're better be some darn good extras.... and even then I may be doing surgery with multilple soundtracks and +DL blanks...

let me blow off some more steam...


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dude. It's a freakin' TV show. :eek:

I have to admit the theme from the UK is far better than the US theme. I'm confident a UK video release of the series will have the UK theme. I'll just order mine from overseas.

Huh. I find the "emptiness" of the US version of the theme to be much sadder than the UK version. Not a big deal--it doesn't detract from my enjoyment of the program.

Any update on when BSG might start showing up on UHD?

<crickets...>

Did the episode before last disappoint everyone, or did everyone who routinely posts already watch the entire season and are refraining from comment?

v/r,
C-F

Originally posted by CANNON-FODDER
<crickets...>

Did the episode before last disappoint everyone, or did everyone who routinely posts already watch the entire season and are refraining from comment?

v/r,
C-F

If you're talking about the episode where Tighe's wife appears... I thought it was crap. Last night's was back on track. Then again, this thread isn't about the episodes currently airing on the SciFi Channel. I will probably watch them all (except last week's) again when they re-air on UHD.

Yes, I finally got my wife to sit and watch BSG with me, and it had to be that episode. I was a bit disappointed.

Sorry if this wasn't the right place, I thought this was the main BSG thread. Is there another thread I didn't see?

I don't get UHD, so SciFi is it for me until the DVD release.

v/r,
C-F

Originally posted by CANNON-FODDER
Yes, I finally got my wife to sit and watch BSG with me, and it had to be that episode. I was a bit disappointed.

Sorry if this wasn't the right place, I thought this was the main BSG thread. Is there another thread I didn't see?

I don't get UHD, so SciFi is it for me until the DVD release.

v/r,
C-F

There's no specific place here, but in the Now Playing (http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=31) section of the TiVo Communities, you can usually find show specific discussions. I'm sorry that had to be the one episode a first-timer had to see.

There used to be multiple threads in this forum discussing this, but they got merged into one. After a long flurry of irrelavant discussion on downloading and how hot certain actresses are, it then got quiet. No one watching them in realtime seems to have been interested in discussing their impressions of the last few episodes.

Having watched through to the end of the season, I generally refrain from comment, but I thought that Friday's "raid-on-the-cylon-trillium-mine" episode was pretty damn cool. Very nice special effects. You just have to wonder how many Viper pilots they can lose in battle after battle before it starts to seem suspicious.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
There used to be multiple threads in this forum discussing this, but they got merged into one. After a long flurry of irrelavant discussion on downloading and how hot certain actresses are, it then got quiet. No one watching them in realtime seems to have been interested in discussing their impressions of the last few episodes.Perhaps that has something to do with the fact this forum is for HD Programming discussion, and the current BSG series offering is not HD. This thread should have died or been moved out of here long ago.

I thought that Friday's "raid-on-the-cylon-trillium-mine" episode was pretty damn cool. Very nice special effects. You just have to wonder how many Viper pilots they can lose in battle after battle before it starts to seem suspicious.I had the same thoughts (and I haven't seen any of the"future" episodes).

The original discussion was in here because the mini-series was presented in HD on NBC. It is shot in HD, and was telecast on the UK SkyOne satellite service in HD and there are strong indications that it will be broadcast on Universal HD in the US, it being a production of NBC Universal. So, it is HD programming, even though most us have not seen it in HD as yet.

I don't think most people can get UPN in HD. Should we shut down the threads discussing programming on that channel?

BTW--I wasn't foreshadowing anything with that Viper pilot attrition comment :). There was an episode on training pilots of other kinds of ships as fighter pilots because of the shortage, but I don't see how they can possibly keep up.

I thought this was the main BSG thread.
Try here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=494030

Originally posted by michaeltscott
The original discussion was in here because the mini-series was presented in HD on NBC. It is shot in HD, and was telecast on the UK SkyOne satellite service in HD and there are strong indications that it will be broadcast on Universal HD in the US, it being a production of NBC Universal. So, it is HD programming, even though most us have not seen it in HD as yet.

I don't think most people can get UPN in HD. Should we shut down the threads discussing programming on that channel?

BTW--I wasn't foreshadowing anything with that Viper pilot attrition comment :). There was an episode on training pilots of other kinds of ships as fighter pilots because of the shortage, but I don't see how they can possibly keep up.

Mike, there is no HD in UK yet. BSG was shown in widescreen on SkyOne. That is all.

Their widescreen must be anamorphic (or perhaps it's just the PAL resolution). Even the re-encoded stuff on the internet looks amazingly better than the SD stuff we have here.

Originally posted by CKNA
Mike, there is no HD in UK yet. BSG was shown in widescreen on SkyOne. That is all. Sorry--I had a misconception. It appears that Sky One widescreen is more like DVD resolution.

Thanks for the link to the other thread.

I have only been disappointed by that one episode (Tighe's Wife), and can't separate it from the fact I was trying to get my wife interested in something other than Murder/Mayhem/Mystery shows (she's anxious enough without re-inforcement).

I was also trying to figure out the Fleet's Order of Battle as I was watching last Friday, since they seem to have lost 4+ Vipers. Not having any real references and not wanting to view spoilers, I just quit. -- I missed the significance of one of the events on Caprica until I accidentally read a spoiler on the darn Tivo forum.

Would Time-Warner ever show Universal HD?

v/r,
C-F

Originally posted by CANNON-FODDER
I was also trying to figure out the Fleet's Order of Battle as I was watching last Friday, since they seem to have lost 4+ Vipers.

I've been wondering about that. While they can train new fighter pilots, they obviously can't replace Vipers shot down in action. Anybody know how many they have from the hints that have been dropped? I thought they only had one squadron of the older Vipers that were "immune" to the Cylons' electronics-disabling abilities. Hopefully, the writers will address this issue later on. Last week's battle at the tylium asteroid was very costly from that point of view.

One of the things I hated about ST Voyager was that no matter how many shuttles they lost, they never seemed to run out; it was like they had an inexhaustible supply. It was evidence of lazy writing; don't expect that on this show.

Would Time-Warner ever show Universal HD?

Very good question! So far, nobody seems to know if they're even in the proverbial "negotiations" for this channel.

Originally posted by archiguy


One of the things I hated about ST Voyager was that no matter how many shuttles they lost, they never seemed to run out; it was like they had an inexhaustible supply. It was evidence of lazy writing; don't expect that on this show.



Actually ST:Voyager did address this issue when they came up with the 'Delta Flyer'. The complaint was that the Class 1 shuttle, although easily fabricated with replicator technology, didn't have enough power/speed/weaponry/sensors, etc to be actually USEFUL in the Delta Quadrant. So they built the Delta Flyer.

But yes, the issue of pilots and equipment is going to become a huge issue for Galactica unless they address it. I'd imagine they have the ability to fabricate parts, but where to get the raw materials?

To give them their credit, they've dealt with other supply shortages in a relatively intelligent matter. I'm sure they'll deal with this one as well.

Originally posted by Iteki
Actually ST:Voyager did address this issue when they came up with the 'Delta Flyer'. The complaint was that the Class 1 shuttle, although easily fabricated with replicator technology, didn't have enough power/speed/weaponry/sensors, etc to be actually USEFUL in the Delta Quadrant. So they built the Delta Flyer.


And, as I recall, they replicated up new Delta Flyers, too, at least twice. Ridiculous. What about fuel, warp engines, etc.? I guess that's what passes for heavy industry in the ST universe: punching buttons on the magic "replicators" (do replicators build the replicators?). Gads, that show was awful, but I watched anyway on the assumption that even bad Trek was better than no Trek. Thankfully, Enterprise cured me of that particular affliction. :D

Originally posted by archiguy
[B]I thought they only had one squadron of the older Vipers that were "immune" to the Cylons' electronics-disabling abilities. Hopefully, the writers will address this issue later on. Last week's battle at the tylium asteroid was very costly from that point of view.

I think that even the newer Vipers work now. They purged the defense program written by Baltar that had been co-opted by the Cylons in the mini-sieres. And the chief has mentioned spare parts used to make a couple of more, but they will need to address this. Every time one gets shot down I cringe and think, "They're going to run out soon!"

Originally posted by archiguy


One of the things I hated about ST Voyager was that no matter how many shuttles they lost, they never seemed to run out; it was like they had an inexhaustible supply. It was evidence of lazy writing; don't expect that on this show.



Fitting that the franchise eventually lost the ability to replicate the same episodes over and over again.

And how many shuttle "accidents" were there on Voyager? Those things were less reliable than a 30 year old Soviet commuter plane....

I'll go on the record now, with only the benefit of watching those episodes broadcast on Sci Fi, that they will have to start using the Cylon raiders at some point.

Originally posted by David F
I think that even the newer Vipers work now. They purged the defense program written by Baltar that had been co-opted by the Cylons in the mini-sieres. And the chief has mentioned spare parts used to make a couple of more, but they will need to address this. Every time one gets shot down I cringe and think, "They're going to run out soon!"

How about they find the lost BattleStar Pegasus as in the original series? It really didn't make a whole lot of sense in the original that this ship would be fighting on their own without any desire to get home, but could make it a ghost ship or stuck on the edge of a black hole like Andromeda, etc.

Originally posted by magillagorilla
I'll go on the record now, with only the benefit of watching those episodes broadcast on Sci Fi, that they will have to start using the Cylon raiders at some point. I was going to say the same, but I couldn't think of how they might obtain them en masse. Some kind of giant "space net?"

Or maybe, since the Cylon ships appear to be living organisms, the humans will figure out how to breed them.:D

Originally posted by zmeister
How about they find the lost BattleStar Pegasus as in the original series? It really didn't make a whole lot of sense in the original that this ship would be fighting on their own without any desire to get home, but could make it a ghost ship or stuck on the edge of a black hole like Andromeda, etc. The creator of the new series, Star Trek alum Ron Moore, has a blog (http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/) at SciFi's BSG site, where he's been queried on the Pegasus question. All he'll say is that he's toyed with the idea (actually, that they've "discussed it for a couple of years now"), but he hasn't made a decision one way or another yet.

Originally posted by DJRobX
Their widescreen must be anamorphic (or perhaps it's just the PAL resolution). Even the re-encoded stuff on the internet looks amazingly better than the SD stuff we have here.

It is anamorphic. That is why it looks good. It is still just interlaced picture. They try to not to overcompress SkyOne so it comes close to DVD quality.

My biggest problem is PAL speed up on SkyOne broadcast.

Originally posted by tbb1226
Or maybe, since the Cylon ships appear to be living organisms, the humans will figure out how to breed them.:D

Since the Cylon Raiders are organic, and the other Cylons treat them as pets, maybe the humans can convince them to revolt.

Originally posted by PJO1966
Since the Cylon Raiders are organic, and the other Cylons treat them as pets, maybe the humans can convince them to revolt.

Maybe with some treats and a rub on the belly from Boomer. (That would do it for me!) :D

" No one watching them in realtime seems to have been interested in discussing their impressions of the last few episodes."

Well, I'd been watching realtime. Then after Friday night's Part I of Kobol's Last Gleaming, I had to see Part II... So where there's a will...

Holy cow! What a wonderful finale. How are we supposed to wait months for the next season?

Anyone out there who hasn't checked out the series and is a sci fi fan really needs to get off their behinds.

The bigger discussion is going on in the movies and DVDs section (since, unfortunately, this is not a high-def show at the moment....)

It's also neither a movie, concert or DVD. Seems closer to the topic of this forum than that one. It is both upcoming HDTV programming on UHD and an upcoming set of DVDs. Both discussions are forward-looking.

rogo -- Do you see what I mean about this being one of the best television dramas that I've seen, period? I really don't think that you have to be a science fiction fan to enjoy this. Certain people who are completely repulsed by all things science fiction and fantasy might not be able to get into it, but I think that, if they continue to make the human drama as real, it has a much wider potential audience than any science fiction series before it.

Of course, it's not really appropriate for children, so that might shave off some of its audience in V-Chip using households :).

Originally posted by michaeltscott
rogo -- Do you see what I mean about this being one of the best television dramas that I've seen, period? I really don't think that you have to be a science fiction fan to enjoy this. Certain people who are completely repulsed by all things science fiction and fantasy might not be able to get into it, but I think that, if they continue to make the human drama as real, it has a much wider potential audience than any science fiction series before it.


I'm not Rogo but I am as an avid fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy as you will ever find. That being said, although I do watch this series, I cannot say that it will ever be in the top ten of the best of this genre much less one of the best, IMHO.

It's also neither a movie, concert or DVD. Seems closer to the topic of this forum than that one. It is both upcoming HDTV programming on UHD and an upcoming set of DVDs. Both discussions are forward-looking.

I wasn't discussing the appropriateness of where the topic should be, I was just pointing out that the larger discussion seems to be occurring there, since Rogo was wondering about the dearth of posts here.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
I'm not Rogo but I am as an avid fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy as you will ever find. That being said, although I do watch this series, I cannot say that it will ever be in the top ten of the best of this genre much less one of the best, IMHO. Sorry, but I disagree with your opinion regarding BSG. IMO BSG & Lost are two of the best new series on Network TV this year. BSG is one of the most mature and sophisticated TV series presented in a "space opera" format to come along in years. As the story unfolds, each new episode seems to be better than the last.

"So say we all..."

David, I wasn't wondering about the dearth of posts... I was responding to other such musings. :) Anyway, I just felt after seeing the season finale that I had to chime in.

WRT to optivity's post, I'd say the eps have been a bit uneven. And I feel like -- as many critics do -- that Six gets too much airtime and the idiotic Caprica scenes have gotten way too much airtime.

But if somehow it all comes together when season two starts, I'll forgive all that. I am still agape over how much happened in part two of Kobol's Last Gleaming alone.

I plan on watching it again in a week or so.

Originally posted by rogo
WRT to optivity's post, I'd say the eps have been a bit uneven. And I feel like -- as many critics do -- that Six gets too much airtime and the idiotic Caprica scenes have gotten way too much airtime. Perhaps a better assessment would be to say the overall trend & tenor of this series is it was interesting from the start and continues to improve during season 1. If guys like you (and me) are watching this show... IMO it's a positive endorsement. I enjoy seeing any scene that involves "Boomer," and I found it quite interesting that Helo discovered she was a Cylon but they still remain together. This interplay between Human & Cylon helps to show the complexity of their relationship beyond just the "kill, crash & burn" stuff. I agree that the "airtime" on Caprica has to tie into the grander scheme of the show to make sense.

Once again...

"So say we all..."

Rogo, having seen the full season one already, I'll agree with how much stuff is compressed into the final ep. Waiting until summer for season two is going to make me crazy.....

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
I'm not Rogo but I am as an avid fan of Sci-Fi and Fantasy as you will ever find. That being said, although I do watch this series, I cannot say that it will ever be in the top ten of the best of this genre much less one of the best, IMHO. Well, obviously we disagree. I have been a fan of science fiction for the past 38 years (since I was 9) and watched just about every scifi television series that has ever aired in the US and I make my assessment from that point of view.

People have different tastes, though, and it's impossible to speak in generalities to define what the "best fill-in-the-blank ever" is--earlier in this thread I was arguing with ardent fans of a certain series (which herein shall remain unnamed) involving muppets and a ludicrous villain covered in shiny black latex that would be far, far, down in my stack--down so far that it'd be hard to say that this one's better than that one because they're all so horrible :). It had, however, a wildly enthusiastic and devoted base of fans. (That program, I think, is kinda like liver and onions--either you love it or you hate it; the flavor is too strong to be indifferent).

Until the last few episodes of BSG, I was kind of bored with Boomer. Partly because I don't find her to be particularly attractive, as so many of you guys do--I wouldn't glance twice at her if I passed her on the street. At the end of the season, after Helo finds out that she's a Cylon (and actually, what choice does he have at that point but to stay with her?), her part in the plot becomes extremely interesting.

I did feel that there was too much of the Baltar/invisible-Six-interaction-played-for-laughs thing. I realize that they were just trying to lighten things up some, but really, if Baltar had been caught as often as he has been in the strange behaviors he exhibits while interacting with her, you'd really think that they would have made some sort of issue of it. I'd also think that the brilliant Dr. Baltar would be bright enough not to talk back to Six while he was in the presence of others.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
I did feel that there was too much of the Baltar/invisible-Six-interaction-played-for-laughs thing. I realize that they were just trying to lighten things up some, but really, if Baltar had been caught as often as he has been in the strange behaviors he exhibits while interacting with her, you'd really think that they would have made some sort of issue of it. I'd also think that the brilliant Dr. Baltar would be bright enough not to talk back to Six while he was in the presence of others.

Granted I haven't waded through all of this thread and thus risk the wrath of the omniscient but ...

Has anyone else toyed with the idea that Baltar is actually a Cylon? It seems rather implausible that a human Baltar would have survived the nuclear shock wave that destroyed his house/apartment in the miniseries.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Well, obviously we disagree. I have been a fan of science fiction for the past 38 years (since I was 9) and watched just about every scifi television series that has ever aired in the US and I make my assessment from that point of view.

People have different tastes, though, and it's impossible to speak in generalities to define what the "best fill-in-the-blank ever" is--earlier in this thread I was arguing with ardent fans of a certain series (which herein shall remain unnamed) involving muppets and a ludicrous villain covered in shiny black latex that would be far, far, down in my stack--down so far that it'd be hard to say that this one's better than that one because they're all so horrible :). It had, however, a wildly enthusiastic and devoted base of fans. (That program, I think, is kinda like liver and onions--either you love it or you hate it; the flavor is too strong to be indifferent).

Until the last few episodes of BSG, I was kind of bored with Boomer. Partly because I don't find her to be particularly attractive, as so many of you guys do--I wouldn't glance twice at her if I passed her on the street. At the end of the season, after Helo finds out that she's a Cylon (and actually, what choice does he have at that point but to stay with her?), her part in the plot becomes extremely interesting.

I did feel that there was too much of the Baltar/invisible-Six-interaction-played-for-laughs thing. I realize that they were just trying to lighten things up some, but really, if Baltar had been caught as often as he has been in the strange behaviors he exhibits while interacting with her, you'd really think that they would have made some sort of issue of it. I'd also think that the brilliant Dr. Baltar would be bright enough not to talk back to Six while he was in the presence of others.

Mike the last paragraph of your post above describes quite well why I can't rate this series as high as you. I never said it was unworthy of my time nor not worth watching, just that it isn't any top ten draw or best space drama of all time. Since you are younger than I and have not seen as much Sci-Fi either I can cut you some slack. :)

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
Granted I haven't waded through all of this thread and thus risk the wrath of the omniscient but ...
Who qualifies for this title?Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Mike the last paragraph of your post above describes quite well why I can't rate this series as high as you. I never said it was unworthy of my time nor not worth watching, just that it isn't any top ten draw or best space drama of all time.
If you give us your "top 10" list... I'll give you mine...

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
Granted I haven't waded through all of this thread and thus risk the wrath of the omniscient but ...

Has anyone else toyed with the idea that Baltar is actually a Cylon? It seems rather implausible that a human Baltar would have survived the nuclear shock wave that destroyed his house/apartment in the miniseries.

it is very unlikely that Baltar is a cylon for a simple reason: The cylons needed to use Six to sleep with Baltar in order to gain access to the defense computers...had Baltar been a cylon, they would not have needed Six to seduce him...

Originally posted by optivity
If you give us your "top 10" list... I'll give you mine...

You promise?

In no specific order since I consider all these top notch sci-fi/fantasy shows:

Cleopatra 2525
Dark Angel
Land of the Lost
Seven Days
Sliders
Star Trek
Star Trek Deepspace Nine
Time Tunnel
The Original Batman series
The Original Superman series
X Files
Smallville
Lost in Space
My Favorite Martian
Bewitched
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Charmed
The Original Outer Limits
Thriller (Boris Karloff)
Space Above and Beyond
Pretender
Land of the Giants
Space 1999
Xena
Night Gallery
Odyssey 5
Star Trek Enterprise
It's About Time
Jerimiah
Total Recall 2070
Dark Shadows
Twilight Zone (The Original series)
Roswell
Stargate SG1
Stargate Atlantis


I'm sure I left some out but you get the idea as to how high the current Battlestar Galactica rates on my all time list. Please keep in mind that to me even poor Sci Fi and fantasy is worth watching or reading. I can't get enough so anything the network deems fit to air I intend on giving it a shot.

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
Has anyone else toyed with the idea that Baltar is actually a Cylon? It seems rather implausible that a human Baltar would have survived the nuclear shock wave that destroyed his house/apartment in the miniseries. Yeah, this has come up and the concensus was that he couldn't be a Cylon and that he wasn't close enough to the epicenter of the explosion to have been killed by it (or something to that effect).

Jimbo --

Hmmm. A bunch of the stuff on your list I wouldn't have classified as scifi, being utter fantasy; some of it straddles the line, so I'd probably put it there. Most of the stuff in your top 10 wouldn't be on my list at all, though 2 of them would have made my top 10 (Star Trek: TOS and Star Trek: DS9). A couple of other things in your top 20 would have made my top 10.

Thinking back on some of the old stuff in there, which debuted when I was a kid, like Lost in Space, gives me warm and fuzzies. I flash back on being a 7-y/o kid, waiting anxiously for the first episode to air in front of my family's little B&W television, begging my mother not to change the channel.

This explains your reaction to my reaction to BSG--we have wildly divergent tastes. Your top four choices wouldn't make my list at all.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
You promise?

In no specific order since I consider all these top notch sci-fi/fantasy shows:

Cleopatra 2525 (don't recall)
Dark Angel (I love Jessica Alba, but never really watched DA)
Land of the Lost (don't recall)
Seven Days (don't recall)
Sliders (enjoyed it... remember the episode with "Wades Head?"):eek:
Star Trek (the original and still the best... a true classic)
Star Trek Deepspace Nine (not, 2nd generation was quite good)
Time Tunnel (don't recall)
The Original Batman series (cheezy)
The Original Superman series (way... way... back there)
X Files (loved it espically Dana Sculley) (trust no-one)
Smallville (never got into it)
Lost in Space (c'mon give me a break... Danger Will Robinson)
My Favorite Martian (liked it)
Bewitched (please)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (loved the buffmiester) (as Zander said... "did he get a happy?")
Charmed (not, although Alissa Milano is "quite hot")
The Original Outer Limits (definetly)
Thriller (Boris Karloff) (scared the "sh&^" out of me as a kid)
Space Above and Beyond (sounds familiar)
Pretender (?)
Land of the Giants (?)
Space 1999 (?)
Xena (LL?)
Night Gallery (yes - enjoyed it)
Odyssey 5 (?)
Star Trek Enterprise (pretty good, enough ST already)
It's About Time (?)
Jerimiah (?)
Total Recall 2070 (?)
Dark Shadows (Barnabas... which one the soap or prime-time version?)
Twilight Zone (The Original series)
Roswell (no)
Stargate SG1 (like it)
Stargate Atlantis (really like it / the wraith)


I'm sure I left some out but you get the idea as to how high the current Battlestar Galactica rates on my all time list. Please keep in mind that to me even poor Sci Fi and fantasy is worth watching or reading. I can't get enough so anything the network deems fit to air I intend on giving it a shot. Originally posted by michaeltscott
Hmmm. A bunch of the stuff on your list I wouldn't have classified as scifi, being utter fantasy; some of it straddles the line

You gotta add Babalyon 5 and of course Mr. Scott's favorite, Farscape, to the list. BSG & Lost are "way better" than anything else on your list with these exceptions... Star Trek, X Files, Buffy, the original Outer Limits and the original Twilight Zone.

Originally posted by optivity
You gotta add Babalyon 5 and of course Mr. Scott's favorite, Farscape, to the list. BSG & Lost are "way better" than anything else on your list with these exceptions... Star Trek, X Files, Buffy, the original Outer Limits and the original Twilight Zone.

How could I have left off Babylon 5? You are correct about this show, it was a terrible oversight on my part. As for Farscape, you couldn't pay me to watch it. Like Mike said, plenty of room for personal preference when it comes to TV viewing habits. Again I am not stating that BSG is anywhere near as bad as Farscape just that it is nowhere near as appealing to me (even if it becomes available in HD soon) as the shows on my list. Heck I even left of at least a dozen better shows just to keep my list as brief as possible yet still convey my likes and dislikes.

To Mike:

As noted in the post where my list appears these wer in no particular order, just the order in which they popped into my head (as the omission of Babylon 5) should indicate.

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
In no specific order since I consider all these top notch sci-fi/fantasy shows:

Cleopatra 2525 (*** 1/2)
Dark Angel (****)
Land of the Lost (**) (Cheezy but fun)
Seven Days (****) (where's the smegging DVD Release for this?)
Sliders (****/***) (seasons 1-4/season 5)
Star Trek (***)
Star Trek DS9 (****)
Time Tunnel (****)
The Original Batman series (****)
The Original Superman series (****)
X Files (****)
Smallville (****)
Lost in Space (****)
My Favorite Martian (***)
Bewitched (***)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer (****)
Charmed (****)
The Original Outer Limits (****)
Thriller (Boris Karloff) (****)
Space Above and Beyond (****) (Ditto the DVD question)
Pretender (***)
Land of the Giants (***)
Space 1999 (***)
Xena (***)
Night Gallery (****)
Odyssey 5 (****)
Star Trek Enterprise (****)
It's About Time (***) (I'm glad SOMEONE else remembers this)
Jeremiah (****)
Total Recall 2070 (***)
Dark Shadows (***)
Twilight Zone (The Original series) (****)
Roswell (***)
Stargate SG1 (****)
Stargate Atlantis (****)

must add -

Babylon 5 (****)
Crusade (****) (never had a chance, TNT wanted it killed before 1st ep aired)
Twilight Zone 80's (****) (many, many eps equal the original series, "Paladin of the Lost Hour" for one)
Automan (***) (also Cheezy, a TRON clone, but fun (and I liked Cursor)
Special Unit-2 (good fun, good cast)
Farscape (****)
Dead Zone (***)
The Chronicle (****) (killed in the night by SciFi Management)
The Invisible Man (****) (SciFi Channel version)
Seaquest DSV (some clinkers, some gems, but overall, ***)
Jake 2.0 (***) (the 6 million dollar man for the 00's, unfairly deactivated)
Witchblade (***)
Kolchak (****)

and I must add some British shows here...

Doctor Who
Blake's 7
Survivors
Red Dwarf
UFO
Thunderbirds

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
How could I have left off Babylon 5? You are correct about this show, it was a terrible oversight on my part. Naturally, as evidenced by this line of dialogue from Londo Mollari to Vir Cotto after he kills the Emperor of Centauri Prime...

"Vir, you moon-faced assassin!!!"

I found the whole “Shadow Wars” story arc to be quite entertaining.

Originally posted by Anubys
it is very unlikely that Baltar is a cylon for a simple reason: The cylons needed to use Six to sleep with Baltar in order to gain access to the defense computers...had Baltar been a cylon, they would not have needed Six to seduce him...

How do we know that original Baltar on Caprica is the same as Baltar on the Galactica? The whole implanted chip vs. hallucination concept doesn't work (for me.) Remember, "Some Cylons are programmed to think they *are* human."

Furthermore, I suspect that part of the "Cylon plan" is to ultimately create a hybrid Cylon/Human race which is why the Cylons were putting Caprica-Boomer and Helo together. Writers rarely develop a plot line without an ultimate payoff ;)

Naturally, as evidenced by this line of dialogue from Londo Mollari to Vir Cotto after he kills the Emperor of Centauri Prime...

"Vir, you moon-faced assassin!!!"


Actually, the line is from when Vir has annoyed Londo by paging him, and he says "what do you want, you moon-faced assasin of joy?" (Born to the Purple, Season 1, Episode 3), and NOT after the actual assassination (The Long Night, Season 4, Episode 5).

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
Furthermore, I suspect that part of the "Cylon plan" is to ultimately create a hybrid Cylon/Human race which is why the Cylons were putting Caprica-Boomer and Helo together. Writers rarely develop a plot line without an ultimate payoff ;)

Ron Moore was brought in on "Roswell" a few years ago of course which dealt with alien-human hybrids. I also seem to remember Boomer being sick one morning not long after Helo got to "know" her a bit better.;)

Originally posted by zmeister
I also seem to remember Boomer being sick one morning not long after Helo got to "know" her a bit better.;)

Exactly - ye of the keen eye :)

Originally posted by wiggo
Actually, the line is from when Vir has annoyed Londo by paging him, and he says "what do you want, you moon-faced assasin of joy?" (Born to the Purple, Season 1, Episode 3), and NOT after the actual assassination (The Long Night, Season 4, Episode 5). "Although it was clearly unintentional (see jms speaks) one of Vir's earliest appearances has what could be considered foreshadowing of his killing of Cartagia. In "Born to the Purple," Londo asks Vir, "What do you want, you moon-faced assassin of joy?" Vir has turned out to be an assassin, and by killing Cartagia, Vir has undone some of the damage that began when Londo first answered Morden's question, "What do you want?" in "Signs and Portents."

I stand corrected... My humble apologies... while I was "generally" on-track... I admit I'm getting old and haven't seen an episode of Babylon 5 in perhaps 10 years. The lesson learned is to check my facts a wee-bit more before spouting off and "quoting" dialogue.

Originally posted by HDTVChallenged
I suspect that part of the "Cylon plan" is to ultimately create a hybrid Cylon/Human race which is why the Cylons were putting Caprica-Boomer and Helo together.
Good Challenged, I don't think this has been forwarded before either here on in the other thread. Shades of the X-Files alien conspiracy arc! -- something that occurred to me when reading the earlier 'can Cylons procreate' debate. Because of some internal flaw/limitation/obsolescence (ala Blade Runner's replicants), the Cylons seek to 'commingle' with humans as a survival/growth strategy. Can explain all the sex. Why develop progressive models* just to wipe out the human race? Surely a frontal assault would be more effective.

Speaking of obsolescence, all this can quickly be proven wrong with the season finale - which indeed I have not seen.

*Did you catch Number Six referring to the "weak[ness]" in Boomer's "model" in the next to last episode?

Edit: So far only the female Cylons have libidos. Perhaps they haven't gotten the male plumbing down right. Otherwise, the commingling strategy would include some proactive/procreating males.

Originally posted by randall

*Did you catch Number Six referring to the "weak[ness]" in Boomer's "model" in the next to last episode?Six is just jealous of Boomer's ability to so perfectly pass herself off as human. The Cylons have a serious Pinnochio complex. The administrative guy model--whatshisface :)--noted that Six was jealous of Boomer in a previous episode, and Six seemed to relish beating the tar out of her to make her escape from the Cylons seem believable. Almost none of the models could go undetected if they interacted with people for very long--at the least, they'd get locked up as mentally ill.

By human standards, Six is clearly psychotic, and she couldn't hide it for any serious length of time, or from anyone who became intimate with her. The prophetic guy model is pretty whacked out as well. Of the models we've seen, only Boomer and the short, administrative guy (I forget his name) seem capable of passing for human indefinitely, as, obviously, a Boomer model has done in the crew of Galactica for years and years.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Six is just jealous of Boomer's ability to so perfectly pass herself off as human. The Cylons have a serious Pinnochio complex. The administrative guy model--whatshisface :)--noted that Six was jealous of Boomer in a previous episode, and Six seemed to relish beating the tar out of her to make her escape from the Cylons seem believable. Almost none of the models could go undetected if they interacted with people for very long--at the least, they'd get locked up as mentally ill.

By human standards, Six is clearly psychotic, and she couldn't hide it for any serious length of time, or from anyone who became intimate with her. The prophetic guy model is pretty whacked out as well. Of the models we've seen, only Boomer and the short, administrative guy (I forget his name) seem capable of passing for human indefinitely, as, obviously, a Boomer model has done in the crew of Galactica for years and years.

I think that part of Boomer's "weakness" might have been some sort of programming to give her human characteristics of "empathy, sympathy and love." She disregarded her Cylon side to report the existence of water on the planet she was surveying. The Caprica model of course chose to flee with Helo. I wasn't sure if this was some sort of test to figure out what happenned with the Galactica model but it's looking like it's some sort of hybrid experiment.

As far as Six is concerned, she does have some emotional need for love from Baltar but you're right about her being psychotic. She can turn on him on a dime(like some women I know) plus she had no problems with breaking the baby's neck in the pilot. This could be construed as saving the baby from future pain but that's a bit of a stretch.

Originally posted by zmeister


As far as Six is concerned, she does have some emotional need for love from Baltar but you're right about her being psychotic. She can turn on him on a dime(like some women I know) plus she had no problems with breaking the baby's neck in the pilot. This could be construed as saving the baby from future pain but that's a bit of a stretch.

I don't think there's any doubt about her killing the baby out of 'mercy' to save it from the pain of the holocaust to come. I thought it was pretty well done...apparently that's the only kind of mercy they are willing to show the humans, which doesn't bode well for us. :-)

I'm definitely of the idea that the cylons are trying to merge their race with humans in order to put an end to the cycle of war that humans and cylons have been in. The human scriptures (I forget their name) state that what has happened before will happen again. I have a feeling that a human/cylon war was what caused humans to leave Kobol in the first place. We'll see this summer I guess.

Originally posted by Iteki
I don't think there's any doubt about her killing the baby out of 'mercy' to save it from the pain of the holocaust to come. I thought it was pretty well done...apparently that's the only kind of mercy they are willing to show the humans, which doesn't bode well for us. :-)

I'm definitely of the idea that the cylons are trying to merge their race with humans in order to put an end to the cycle of war that humans and cylons have been in. The human scriptures (I forget their name) state that what has happened before will happen again. I have a feeling that a human/cylon war was what caused humans to leave Kobol in the first place. We'll see this summer I guess.

Maybe but it consider this. In their current state, Cyclons are basically immortal in that their "consciousness" gets transferred to another. Humans believe in the immortality of the soul and when they die, they can go be with God. Their feeling of immortality comes through procreation, children.

Remember that the stowaway Cylon told Kara that he was afraid that he would not go to God when he died. Maybe this experiment was an attempt to become more humanlike, live, have children, die and go be with God. Something they believe that humans can achieve and they cannot.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Six is just jealous of Boomer's ability to so perfectly pass herself off as human. The Cylons have a serious Pinnochio complex. The administrative guy model--whatshisface :)--noted that Six was jealous of Boomer in a previous episode, and Six seemed to relish beating the tar out of her to make her escape from the Cylons seem believable. Almost none of the models could go undetected if they interacted with people for very long--at the least, they'd get locked up as mentally ill.

By human standards, Six is clearly psychotic, and she couldn't hide it for any serious length of time, or from anyone who became intimate with her. The prophetic guy model is pretty whacked out as well. Of the models we've seen, only Boomer and the short, administrative guy (I forget his name) seem capable of passing for human indefinitely, as, obviously, a Boomer model has done in the crew of Galactica for years and years.

Ah, but is it just because of the Sharon model, or more the fact that her Cylon side wasn't even known to her before then. Remember in the mini series, what Six said about the sleeper agents...perfectly emulate humans or something to that effect.

The sleepers certainly would have to be as capable as the Cylons might know how to make them to emulate human behavior. Sharon has shown a few flaws--her insensitivity to one of the chief's kids sacrificing himself to that witch-hunt tribunal to hide their transgressions and her affection for the Cylon fighter. Of course, they could hardly anticipate her coming into contact with a Cylon fighter aboard the Galactica. :D

Both Boomers seem to have esteem issues and a need for external affirmation. [Ship]Boomer was probably too distracted by that to even register what was going on with the sailor. I was pleased by that episode, although I have not truly run through the ramifications of CDR Adama's decisions, they felt right. Tough call to balance Chief's [non-prosecutable] demonstrated lack of integrity against operational needs and lack of replacements.

v/r
C-F

Well, [ship]Boomer was clearly remind of what happened to the crewman by the Chief who was aghast that she wanted to keep going with their forbidden affair (which she'd been ordered by the Commander or the XO to put a stop to); she seemed completely oblvious to the incident and was dismayed that he wanted to stop.

how is any of Boomer's behavior not "human"?

she's happy she got off while someone else took the blame? a human would never do that!

she wants to continue an illicit relationship despite the work problems? I've never seen that happen in a workplace!

all sarcasm aside...Boomer is behaving like any normal human...she has the capacity to lie, cheat, love, kill...

none of that is proof that she is a cylon...au contraire!

Originally posted by Anubys
how is any of Boomer's behavior not "human"?

she's happy she got off while someone else took the blame? a human would never do that!

she wants to continue an illicit relationship despite the work problems? I've never seen that happen in a workplace!

all sarcasm aside...Boomer is behaving like any normal human...she has the capacity to lie, cheat, love, kill...

none of that is proof that she is a cylon...au contraire!

Touche...add the fact that she's a nymphmaniac and she's just like my ex-girlfriend :-)

wait until the final epidose this week... boomer suprised me!

Originally posted by Iteki
I'm definitely of the idea that the cylons are trying to merge their race with humans in order to put an end to the cycle of war that humans and cylons have been in.

Boomer got sick and vomited in the last episode. Blamed it on the beans she ate. The only time writers allow a young woman to vomit on tv is when she's pregnant. Also of note is the fact that Helo shot, but did not kill her, and they are still together.

any details for season 2 yet?

Originally posted by bmel
Boomer got sick and vomited in the last episode. Blamed it on the beans she ate. The only time writers allow a young woman to vomit on tv is when she's pregnant. Also of note is the fact that Helo shot, but did not kill her, and they are still together.


Exactly...we'll see this summer I guess.

Sorry--I think that [ship]Boomer's reaction to the situation is, if not inhuman, then callous to a degree that her previous actions would not have indicated her to be capable of. She surprised the chief, and I think that it was inconsistent and strange, particularly in that she seemed incapable of understanding what he thought was wrong with what happened. It's as if they left a certain element of compassion out of her "programming".

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Sorry--I think that [ship]Boomer's reaction to the situation is, if not inhuman, then callous to a degree that her previous actions would not have indicated her to be capable of. She surprised the chief, and I think that it was inconsistent and strange, particularly in that she seemed incapable of understanding what he thought was wrong with what happened. It's as if they left a certain element of compassion out of her "programming".

you don't have to be sorry ;)

listen, my point is that humans are capable of this and much much more...humans torture people and laugh about it...in an ongoing war (I won't mention which because this is not a political comment), soldiers have cut open pregnant women to settle bets on the gender of the child...just for fun! people are capable of doing ANYTHING...there are human atrocities well documented all over the place (Holocaust anyone?!)...

to say that what Boomer has done is something humans are not capable of is pretty strange, IMHO...

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Originally posted by George Thompson
In an unprecedented move, SciFi.com has been offering fans of its new hit series Battlestar Galactica "podcasts." This DVD-style audio... is now available for weekly download at SciF.com. Instead of "podcasts" I'd rather see SciFi HDTV BSG broadcasts! :mad:

I don't know if anyone has posted yet(I looked back several pages), Universal HD has BSG up on their schedule every sunday starting May 1. It doesn't say it's the episodes, however I doubt they'd show the miniseries every sunday.
Dug

edited to correct date

Originally posted by Mr_Bester
I don't know if anyone has posted yet(I looked back several pages), Universal HD has BSG up on their schedule every sunday starting March 1. It doesn't say it's the episodes, however I doubt they'd show the miniseries every sunday.
Dug

do you mean April 1?

Originally posted by Anubys
do you mean April 1?

Looks to be Sunday, May 1st at 8pm and Sundays there after. And it's only an hour time slot too.

Originally posted by Anubys
soldiers have cut open pregnant women to settle bets on the gender of the child...

Who wins if it turns out to be fraternal twins? I have a case of beer and a box of Cuban cigars riding on the answer.

Originally posted by Anubys
do you mean April 1?
Sorry, heads still stuck in March, I meant May.

Originally posted by Anubys
to say that what Boomer has done is something humans are not capable of is pretty strange, IMHO... Okay...even psychotic behavior can be called "human". Boomer's callous disregard for the fact that her little clandestine trysts with the Chief had caused an innocent man to be stripped of his rank and imprisoned, is, if nothing else, somewhat bizarre. She doesn't even bring the subject up the next time they meet--she just waylays him as he's crossing some access passage and starts enthusiastically sucking his face. Even had she wanted, under the circumstances, to continue her illegal affair with the Chief, you'd expect her to show some sorrow about it and say "Oh, my God--I never meant for this to happen! Sucinus--is there anything at all that we can do?" It was, after all, she who left the hatch open when she went to meet him.

I'd think that if she was the type of human capable of this complete lack of remorse for having casually caused the ruination of someone's life, she certainly would have shown other signs of that before now, and she and the Chief probably wouldn't be involved, because no one would like her. She might not even be an officer or in the service at all.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Okay...even psychotic behavior can be called "human". Boomer's callous disregard for the fact that her little clandestine trysts with the Chief had caused an innocent man to be stripped of his rank and imprisoned, is, if nothing else, somewhat bizarre. She doesn't even bring the subject up the next time they meet--she just waylays him as he's crossing some access passage and starts enthusiastically sucking his face. Even had she wanted, under the circumstances, to continue her illegal affair with the Chief, you'd expect her to show some sorrow about it and say "Oh, my God--I never meant for this to happen! Sucinus--is there anything at all that we can do?" It was, after all, she who left the hatch open when she went to meet him.

I'd think that if she was the type of human capable of this complete lack of remorse for having casually caused the ruination of someone's life, she certainly would have shown other signs of that before now, and she and the Chief probably wouldn't be involved, because no one would like her. She might not even be an officer or in the service at all. It takes two to tango... The Chief is a BIG boy and he knows the rules too. Since both have exhibited the human attribute of emotion... "logic" does not govern their relationship. "Boomer's" behavior is typically "homo sapien."

Dont read until you have seen tonights episode!!

I would like to see everyons opinion of Boomer after she shoots Adama!!

Ack! ... call me spoiler ... I was actually right about *some* of my predictions.

As for Boomer ... still within the range of Human behavior. Props to Mr. Moore - I have to admit I didn't see that last scene coming. Unfortunately, that was about the only big surprise.

One thing I'd like to point out. If the Caprica model is pregnant, she would have to be a "special" model designed with that potential. Wonder how Ron Moore is going to tackle this one? Are the Cylons harvesting eggs from captured human females?

Originally posted by zmeister
One thing I'd like to point out. If the Caprica model is pregnant, she would have to be a "special" model designed with that potential.

Why? All the Cylon/Human models seem to have all the other functions of a normal human? Why would getting pregnant require any special design after all the attention to detail already built-in?

Originally posted by Jimbo Moran
Why? All the Cylon/Human models seem to have all the other functions of a normal human? Why would getting pregnant require any special design after all the attention to detail already built-in?

Well the Cylons are supposed to be synthetic not organic but this is sci-fi. But I'll give the simpliest explanation, if all female Cylons had reproductive functions built in, the odds are that one would have gotten pregnant some time ago. Six did say that the "1st human/cylon child is now on the way".

So, you think the cylon plan included (as opposed to happenstance):
Bringing Starbuck home with [Caprica]Boomer, and Helo.
---Which would out [Ship]Boomer.
---So get one last use of [Ship]Boomer by disabling CDR Adama.
--------Save him or not, he's out of action during this crisis, and probably the biggest threat to any complicated machinations.
Meanwhile, VP Baltar can shepherd the young hybrid's development under the care of [Chip]#6.

Seems to make sense, while sadism is right up a #6 model's alley, Starbuck's was toying a bit much. [Ignoring that the 10" of rebar sticking out of #6's chest would most likely have also impaled Starbuck, who should have broken elbows].

Even if Adama does survive the attempt on his life, given how long Starbuck was out of commission with a bad leg, he's going to spend the entire next season in bed... unless season 2 picks up several weeks/months after the events we saw last night.

I don't know. He looked pretty dead to me.

Originally posted by zmeister
Well the Cylons are supposed to be synthetic not organic but this is sci-fi. But I'll give the simpliest explanation, if all female Cylons had reproductive functions built in, the odds are that one would have gotten pregnant some time ago. Six did say that the "1st human/cylon child is now on the way". The Cylons are organic. What is it about the words "organic" and "synthetic" that you find to be mutually exclusive? The human-form Cylons are indistinguishable from human beings, down to their individual cells, except by an elaborate test devised by Baltar. (We assume that this test works, since it read positive for shipboard Boomer, though he concealed that result from her and everyone else. Since then, it looks like he's not going to not reveal any positive results, to keep his life simple :)).

We know that the interior of the Cylon raiders are completely organic. Even the Cylon Base Star is all red, wet and gooey inside. I'd bet that the various clone models are grown and not "manufactured", though there must be a way to quickly download knowledge into their brains--given the quick remote transfer for dying human-form Cylons, that must be true.

It appears that the Cylons have abandoned their mechanical origins to reshape themselves in the image of their creators.

As for "outing" shipboard Boomer, I think that her suddenly shooting Adama did that already. There's no other explanation for it than that she is a Cylon. Well, I guess that she could be a sympathizer of that rabel-rousing guy who was running for president, but that seems unlikely. In any case, if Starbuck and Helo get back at all, they don't have to bring Caprica Boomer with them--Starbuck's seen one there and Helo's seen multiple ones.

I wonder what Six was talking about when she warned Baltar that he didn't want to be on Galactica "when it happens"?

It really pissed me off that Adama decided that he had the right to arrest the President in a unilateral decision because he felt that her motivations for her decisions were insane.

It really pissed me off that Adama decided that he had the right to arrest the President in a unilateral decision because he felt that her motivations for her decisions were insane.



That there even is a President pisses me off. In real life, no damn low-level under-secretary would have been allowed to assume power in a situation like this. The military should have and would have declared Marshall Law. Once the Cylon threat had been neutralized, and they had a planet to live on again, then it would have been appropriate to setup a new government, and elect a President.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
The Cylons are organic. What is it about the words "organic" and "synthetic" that you find to be mutually exclusive? The human-form Cylons are indistinguishable from human beings, down to their individual cells, except by an elaborate test devised by Baltar. (We assume that this test works, since it read positive for shipboard Boomer, though he concealed that result from her and everyone else. Since then, it looks like he's not going to not reveal any positive results, to keep his life simple :)).

We know that the interior of the Cylon raiders are completely organic. Even the Cylon Base Star is all red, wet and gooey inside. I'd bet that the various clone models are grown and not "manufactured", though there must be a way to quickly download knowledge into their brains--given the quick remote transfer for dying human-form Cylons, that must be true.

It appears that the Cylons have abandoned their mechanical origins to reshape themselves in the image of their creators.

As for "outing" shipboard Boomer, I think that her suddenly shooting Adama did that already. There's no other explanation for it than that she is a Cylon. Well, I guess that she could be a sympathizer of that rabel-rousing guy who was running for president, but that seems unlikely. In any case, if Starbuck and Helo get back at all, they don't have to bring Caprica Boomer with them--Starbuck's seen one there and Helo's seen multiple ones.

I wonder what Six was talking about when she warned Baltar that he didn't want to be on Galactica "when it happens"?

It really pissed me off that Adama decided that he had the right to arrest the President in a unilateral decision because he felt that her motivations for her decisions were insane.

Synthetic -manufactured by some sort of chemical process. Organic is based on carbon compounds while Adama said that the philosopher Cylon was suffering from the radiation because it specifically attacked their silicate(silicon based) pathways.

Due to this basic fundamental difference reproduction by the Cylons by "human" methods is not possible. Making copies, probably "grown" at an advanced rate is! Essentially the Cylons seem to be fascinated by human religion and are obsessed with "fixing" what they deem to be wrong with the humans.

There is no doubt that the Cylons could have destroyed the rest of humanity if they wished. Six can see whatever Baltar sees. Whenever he is at the command, she could pinpoint their position and have them destroyed. Of course there is more to this and this is why we watch.

Six is warning Baltar not to be around when the assassination attempt is made on Adama.

As far as Adama ordering the arrest of the Pres. this is consistent with his behavior to any threat to his authority (military operations). His people come first!

As for "outing" shipboard Boomer, I think that her suddenly shooting Adama did that already. There's no other explanation for it than that she is a Cylon...

I wonder what Six was talking about when she warned Baltar that he didn't want to be on Galactica "when it happens"?

It really pissed me off that Adama decided that he had the right to arrest the President in a unilateral decision because he felt that her motivations for her decisions were insane.

Understood. Actually I was partially poking at whether or not this was part of a coordinated plan, i.e. was the Basestar in communication with Caprica that led to one final use of [Ship]Boomer, as you say only takes Helo or Starbuck to return to 'out' her regardless of her actions.

And similarly, the other part: Given [Chip]#6's speech about babies, was the whole [Caprica]Boomer thing planned with Helo expected to return a pregnant copy to the fleet? Starbuck now being convenient (or planned for o_O )? [Chip]#6 can talk all about having a child, but either she's got a corporeal body stashed away in some locker, or they have to out another female model (at least to Baltar and the viewers).

Of course there could be another [Civilian]Boomer knocked up in the fleet. Boomers could be the breeding model, maybe that's why that model is more emotional (weaker to #6).

Instead of the climactic fight with the BaseStar most were led to expect, are you thinking that [Chip]#6 instead anticipated the political/ideological fallout, whereby the safest place for the VP was 'away'? Especially this neurotic fence-riding selfish opportunist.

Adama's call for her to step down was a bit quick, and I don't think he should have been able to do that. Secure the fleet, limit communication and access to his subordinates, move to quell unrest... yes, and even call for a confidence vote in the long run. This was too much about too little and more reminiscent of [divorce-pride-bickering] than I would like to imagine could occur uncontested.

Blatant opinion* -->Marshall Law doesn't care :) , and even martial law probably wouldn't apply here given US and Western approaches, since there is a legal and political system capable and running as well as any ever does. Some emergency powers giving the Fleet more authority are probably in effect, but not defined; thus giving the writers some wriggle room with the dramatic tension.

v/r,
C-F


*unsupported by fact or even rudimentary research in reality or canon.

Originally posted by Rutgar
That there even is a President pisses me off. In real life, no damn low-level under-secretary would have been allowed to assume power in a situation like this. The military should have and would have declared Marshall Law. Once the Cylon threat had been neutralized, and they had a planet to live on again, then it would have been appropriate to setup a new government, and elect a President.

So in real life if the President and VP are wiped out along with most of congress and most of the cabinet, the military should take over instead of one of the secretarys, like the secretary of education. Even though the law specifically states the order that the power of the presidency is given too when people are killed. Your saying the miltary should ignore the laws and take power. If that is the case, what is the point in having a democracy.

Here is the official order of succession unless it's changed recently:

The line of succession is currently:

The Vice President Richard Cheney
Speaker of the House John Dennis Hastert
President pro tempore of the Senate(1) Ted Stevens
Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice
Secretary of the Treasury John Snow
Secretary of Defense Donald H. Rumsfeld
Attorney General Alberto Gonzales
Secretary of the Interior Gale A. Norton
Secretary of Agriculture Mike Johanns
Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez(2)
Secretary of Labor Elaine Chao(3)
Secretary of Health and Human Services Mike Leavitt
Secretary of Housing and Urban Development Alphonso Jackson
Secretary of Transportation Norman Yoshio Mineta
Secretary of Energy Samuel Bodman
Secretary of Education Margaret Spellings
Secretary of Veterans Affairs Jim Nicholson
Secretary of Homeland Security(4) Tom Ridge

NOTE: An official cannot succeed to the Presidency unless that person meets the Constitutional requirements.
1. The president pro tempore presides over the Senate when the vice president is absent. By tradition the position is held by the senior member of the majority party.
2. Carlos Gutierrez was born in Cuba and is ineligible.
3. Elaine Chao was born in Taiwan and is ineligible.
4. May move to number 8 on the list pending legislation.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
As for "outing" shipboard Boomer, I think that her suddenly shooting Adama did that already. There's no other explanation for it than that she is a Cylon. Actually, I think the sreason she cut loose with the pistol is that she REALIZED that the Cylons (the herd of Buff Boomers) are USING HER...

.. to find earth...

and who's the one person that (she thinks) knows where earth is.

Adama.

Pity she dosen't know what we (and others there) [don't] know...

Interesting viewpoint. I would have expected to see some emotion expressed along with that decision. Either earnestness with some exposition to explain herself to others, or a stolidness because she doesn't think anyone will understand her motives. I interpreted her expression to be blank - [the human part she plays] isn't in control, just watching, unable to reconcile recent events (cognitive dissonance?).

v/r,
C-F

Originally posted by CANNON-FODDER
Interesting viewpoint. I would have expected to see some emotion expressed along with that decision. Either earnestness with some exposition to explain herself to others, or a stolidness because she doesn't think anyone will understand her motives. I interpreted her expression to be blank - [the human part she plays] isn't in control, just watching, unable to reconcile recent events (cognitive dissonance?).

v/r,
C-F

I guess a lot has to do with how the sleeper program works. Ship Boomer has been unaware of actions she took when under its influence, like blowing up the water tanks. So, I agree with your last statement. Her subconscious programming is making her do it.

Assuming they don't just shoot her, it will be interesting to see if they hold a court martial. She could plead "temporary insanity" (the Cylon made me do it). Would Cylons have civil rights in a military court? Reminds me of ST-TNG where Data won the stature of "synthetic life form".

Any chance Adama is not going to die and will return to the series?

I think it was Sharon's "mission" (as the blond model who's advising Baltar called it earlier) to shoot Adama after the president was imprisoned. This was just another example of "evil Sharon" taking over control. She probably doesn't even remember shooting him, just as she didn't remember leaving the hatch open or planting that bomb on her ship.

The Cylons manipulated this entire situation, putting the fleet on the path to Kobol, probably setting up Kobol so that they would want to go back for the Arrow, and figured out that this would put Adama and the Prez at odds. Once she was in prison, Adama was the last obstacle.

Now Baltar leads the fleet. Which is exactly what the Cylons want. They've gotten exactly what they've been shooting for all along, and now we get to find out what Phase Two of their plan is. We have them exactly where they want us. (grin)

The Cylons are clearly playing for keeps. They sacrificed an entire Basestar just because it wasn't quite time to take out Adama yet. They impregnated another Sharon model on Caprica. And I suspect they've heavily manipulated both the course of the fleet and the appearance of the ruins on Kobol. They're not joking around. They really need something.

How about this: Boomer shoots Adama because she realizes he is a cylon with the real Adama is somewhere else.

What an excellent first season! I am so looking forward to re-watching the episodes in HDTV and listening to the podcast commentary by Ronald Moore.

And a dying leader will take them to earth... Maybe Adama is really the "dying leader" and the President will miraculously overcome cancer.

They will probably have Galactica Boomer take a walk outside. However, assuming Starbuck returns with Helo and Caprica Boomer, they will probably let her live at least until the baby is born. The baby is half human.

The real question is : what are the Cylon's plans for earth?

---
Anyone here watch the whole Lexx series? They were from another universe, going to all these strange planets... Then finally show up on earth.
Lexx was mostly serious (but campy) Sci-fi until they made it to Earth - then it got fairly ridiculous (but still fun to watch).

I guess I'm rooting for the interpretation that the cylons aren't and can't do everything implied by Pat Frank.

If so, where's the "Game Over" Marine when you need him?

I think that the cylons have a big plan, but are still just rolling with the punches. There are probably enough sleepers in the fleet that the cylons have time to react and they most certainly can do some calculations figuring out their next best move...

That way, especially if [Chip]#6 is a primary source, then the humans have a chance to get inside their decision cycle, or choose the worst course of action with respect to the cylons. Like forcing them to choose between losing a Basestar or killing Adama.

v/r,
C-F
(not on-line much during the week)

Was just on the UniversalHD website and April 10th is the first episode with the 3 hour miniseries shown right before the series premeire.

Originally posted by jmrobbins
Any chance Adama is not going to die and will return to the series?

Yes there is a very big chance/certainty that Adama will recover!

Originally posted by Don H
How about this: Boomer shoots Adama because she realizes he is a cylon with the real Adama is somewhere else.

Exactly, it also explains his odd attempt to overthrow the presidents power. The Cylons were losing control of the situation.

If it's obvious, your bound to be wrong <g>

I think we'll also find Boomer who shot Adama is not a Cylon.

why is it odd that he went after the president?

the president and Adama divided the responsibilities. Adama is in charge of all military decisions. She circumvented him -- based on her dreams, by the way -- and diverted a invaluable military asset, as well as his best pilot, away from a major military conflict...

she may turn out to be right when all the dust settles...but right now, it is not strange at all that he went after her...

Originally posted by Anubys
why is it odd that he went after the president?

the president and Adama divided the responsibilities. Adama is in charge of all military decisions. She circumvented him -- based on her dreams, by the way -- and diverted a invaluable military asset, as well as his best pilot, away from a major military conflict...

she may turn out to be right when all the dust settles...but right now, it is not strange at all that he went after her...

He was right to be upset that she screwed up an important military mission with her backdoor machinations. The only thing that was strange about it was him asking for her resignation, which he had no authority to do, and then immediately ordering her arrest. The proper course of action would have been to report her actions to the legislative body which would then follow a set process to determine whether she should be forced to resign, impeached etc.

The action he took by arresting the Pres. while the action against the Cylon Basestar was ongoing was a little over the top. I would think that an important military action would take precedence, once completed then deal with a meddling President.

Of course it's TV, and the way it played out made it more dramatic, and that's why it turned out the way it was.

I think you're applying a peace time process (not to mention a U.S. process -- these are NOT americans!) to a war time situation...

Adama GAVE her some authority to maintain the appearances of normalcy...he made it clear that he will be in charge of all military decisions...she exhibits delusional behavior and deprived him of two vital assets in the middle of a war...what else would she do? what was going to be the NEXT thing that he has to deal with?

he can't wait for a legislative process to proceed.

He gave her the power and he took it away...I would do the exact thing if I were in his shoes.

Originally posted by Anubys
I think you're applying a peace time process (not to mention a U.S. process -- these are NOT americans!) to a war time situation...

Adama GAVE her some authority to maintain the appearances of normalcy...he made it clear that he will be in charge of all military decisions...she exhibits delusional behavior and deprived him of two vital assets in the middle of a war...what else would she do? what was going to be the NEXT thing that he has to deal with?

he can't wait for a legislative process to proceed.

He gave her the power and he took it away...I would do the exact thing if I were in his shoes.

As far as them not being Americans, that is true but in any democracy there is a set process for the removal of the executive, even in time of war. What Adama did (justiified or not) was pretty much a military coup. And he did not give her the power. The Presidential powers she inherited as a result of the Cylon attack.

Adama and the President had an informal agreement as to the separation of military and civilian authority. I would imagine under their government system that the civilian authority has final authority on all decisions including military ones. Their agreement would be nonbinding!

After his recovery, there is the possibilty that civilian government might seek some sort of disciplinary action against Adama for his action against the President. Just because you or I might have done the same thing doesn't make it legal! This of course would pit the Pres vs Adama, father vs son, etc. lots of drama!

oh...I agree it wasn't LEGAL...

but I bet you he can charge her with treason or something like that as well...so the political conflict will rage...

it would be interesting to see how he will deal with his son AND "daughter"...who both aligned themselves with the president...

Originally posted by joewmaki
I think we'll also find Boomer who shot Adama is not a Cylon.

There are no Boomers who are not Cylons. That's what the Caprica Boomer was trying to tell Helo when she was sitting in the rain. He thinks she's a "replacement" of the "real" Sharon that he knew. That's not the case. There never was a real Sharon.

Plus, Baltar's test indicated she was a Cylon. Six has said she was a Cylon. She's the one who sabotaged the water tanks, etc. She's definitely a Cylon.

Apollo said it best: "We cannot sacrifice our democracy just because the President makes a bad decision."

We do not know the specifics, but there is a semblance of colonial democracy: (1) Roslin invoking the constitution in succeeding to the presidency; (2) the Interim Quorum of the Twelve Colonies; and (3) the VP election. Even if the rest of the government system is in doubt (to the participants; not just us the audience), Adama had the choice to seek a broadly legitimate removal of the President or a unilateral removal (coup d'etat). The former could have involved a vote of impeachment or no confidence by the Quorum. This could have been done after the military crisis. If Adama felt immediate removal was necessary, he could have asked for a decision declaring the President incapacitated due to her illness/medication. Adama invoked none of the above.

And did Roslin overstep the "you military, me civilian" agreement? Not if you consider Starbuck's mission non-military. Sure she's an officer, and yes she used a military aircraft, but military officers and vehicles are often tasked/assigned for civilian purposes/presidential initiatives (eg., diplomatic missions). And yes, secret presidential missions have taken place without the knowledge of the military and, yes, during military conflicts (especially).

I agree with what you say with one exception...

you can't use military asset without SOMEONE in the military knowing about it...the officer may not know, even his commanding officer may not know...but someone up the chain and before the president has to know...

George Bush can't just call joe blow and order him to fly a secret mission...someone along the chain of command must receive some sort of order to provide clearance to take off, at least!

and some general with a lot of stars will know about it...in this case, Adama had to be in the loop...no question about that...

since the president is NOT a commander in chief in this set-up, she had no way of giving a direct order without going through Adama...

again, I do agree that what Adama did is wrong...

"Shi*" no new episode of BSG tonight...:mad:

So I'll have to post this instead:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/grace_park.jpg

"So say we all...

So SAY WE ALL, indeed...

how the heck am I supposed to work now?!

thanks for the pic :D

No new episode tonight, optivity (gotta' wait three long months for that), but they are re-running "33", possibly the most tension-filled, nail biting hour of television I've ever sat through (albeit on the very edge of my seat). Methinks I may have to have another look!

My envy of those lucky basta*ds who have access to the Universal HD channel knows no bounds. :(

Was just on the UniversalHD website and April 10th is the first episode with the 3 hour miniseries shown right before the series premeire.

I haven't watched the SciFi channels offerings in the hope that this would happen. Good news, if I have the time.

Originally posted by Anubys
So SAY WE ALL, indeed...

how the heck am I supposed to work now?!

thanks for the pic :D You're lucky I didn't post this:

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/lily4.JPG

instead... oops!!!

(now where was that Lost thread I was looking for?)

Ohh my. Why did I read this post?

Just how hard is it to get on that island anyway?

I'm so pissed that Voom is folding...and that E* (my Plan B, installing May 1:() doesn't carry UHD, yet.

One month of glorious BG in HD, then...???

Forgive me if it's been said, but the exact (Eastern) time tonight on UHD is 8-11pm for the mini-series and 11-Midnight for the episode "33".

Watching BSG Miniseries on UHD on 4/10/2005.

It seems the PQ is very grainy. Is this a directv thing or do you think the producers wanted that effect? It certainly does not seem up to HD quality.

Originally posted by TimMeade
Watching BSG Miniseries on UHD on 4/10/2005.

It seems the PQ is very grainy. Is this a directv thing or do you think the producers wanted that effect? It certainly does not seem up to HD quality. To me, it looks pretty much like most of NBCs other HD productions over the past two years. Certainly much better than the SciFi channel presentations I'm used to watching...

Threads merged.

Originally posted by tbb1226
To me, it looks pretty much like most of NBCs other HD productions over the past two years. Certainly much better than the SciFi channel presentations I'm used to watching...

I believe that's a "film" effect they try to use. I'm not getting it in 5.1 which is my only complaint.

Are you guys on Directv? I have 5.1 lit up on my audio equipment and relative to Directv's current bandwidth for this channel it looks good.

I'm not getting 5.1 here in Houston on D*. The picture looks good in some scenes and very grainy in others. Overall, not bad.

Also, how can I check the bitrates for a channel on my receiver? I have the H10. Thanks!

It's encoded in Dolby Prologic. When my Denon receiver decodes this it shows up as the FL and FR channels and one surround channel.

Yeah! The regular series is 5.1. Looks like it was just the mini-series/pilot that was plain dolby.

Nice!

And following up the mini-series with "33" the first regular episode - great move UHD.

i was wrong about that preview thing, I guess that was just promoting more of the show on sci-fi network, post edited for accuracy.

I just happened across BSG last night on UHD... blown away. The video is great and the show itself well done. It seems this is a show not catering to the masses - it has its own story to tell in its own way. I was really impressed - and it appears I'm addicted!

I used to watch the original show way back when... Its much better now!

Excellent series. I have restrained myself from watching on scifi hoping that UHD will come thru and my patience has been rewarded! Agree with the grainy comments but all in all wonderful presentation and show.

I told my partner he had no choice, he was watching this with me. He's hooked. Of course I forgot to pad the ending on my TiVo, so I had to recap the shocking ending for him. I'm enjoying this all over again... what a great show.

Originally posted by PJO1966
I told my partner he had no choice, he was watching this with me. He's hooked. Of course I forgot to pad the ending on my TiVo, so I had to recap the shocking ending for him. I'm enjoying this all over again... what a great show.

oh no...you're saying I missed the ending? I was planning on watching that tonight...damn it :mad:

If you recorded the episode that aired immediately after, I think you'll be ok. My TiVo recorded the next episode 3 hours later.

SCI FI'S 'BATTLESTAR' SHINES BRIGHTLY
By John Dempsey, Daily Variety, 4/11/2005


"Battlestar Galactica" has thrown overboard the idealized future of "Star Trek" and its sequels, transforming old-fashioned space opera into gritty, dystopian melodrama -- a reinvention that has made "Galactica" the highest-rated series in the 12-year history of the Sci Fi Channel after only one 13-episode season.

David Eick, co-exec producer and writer of "Galactica," says he and his partner Ron Moore decided early on that it would be pointless to remake "Star Trek," whose last clone, UPN's "Enterprise," dragged on for four seasons before being vaporized by network brass.

"We dispensed with the theatrics, what I call the drumroll and the trumpets of standard TV science fiction, and went for naturalistic drama," says Eick.

Shunning the pure escapism that many sci-fi fans dote on, "Galactica" encourages its viewers to find parallels with events in today's news. The cutthroat conflict between Mary McDonnell as the president of the colony of space travelers and Edward James Olmos as the military commander raises the bigger issue of what Moore calls security vs. freedom -- a topic that's not without relevance in post-9/11 America.

"I can see why some people refer to 'Galactica' as 'The West Wing' in space," says Bonnie Hammer, prexy of the Sci Fi Channel and its USA Network sibling.

But the slick, expensive production values of primetime network shows like "West Wing" have raised the bar.

"You can't skimp on costs," says David Howe, exec VP and general manager of Sci Fi. "The audience will see through the cheap stuff."

Howe declines to discuss the budget, but Sci Fi has enlisted Rupert Murdoch's BSkyB to help shoulder the $2-million-plus production cost for each episode, the most expensive in Sci Fi's history.

Still, Howe says NBC U is pocketing solid revenues from TV buyers of the series in markets outside the U.S., and from worldwide DVD sales of the four-hour movie that served as a backdoor pilot. NBC U is readying the DVD of the first season as well as licensing and merchandising the characters.

The Nielsen success of "Galactica," which has averaged 2.9 million total viewers in its first season (ended April 1), has lifted the ratings of Sci Fi Channel's whole Friday night, from a 1.2 household rating four years ago to a 1.9 rating season to date.

With Sci Fi leading the charge, cable TV as a category has swamped the six broadcast networks on Friday. While cable has shot up from a 44 share (2001-02) on Friday to a 57 share so far this season, broadcast TV has plunged from a 45 share (2001-02) to a 41 in 2004-05.

"Galactica" and USA's "Monk" are the two most popular cable series on Friday night. What makes NBC U's president of cable entertainment Jeff Gaspin proudest is that "Galactica" is racking up all those viewers "through solid characters and storytelling, not special effects and space explosions."

Any word on whether season 2 will be broadcast smultaneously on Sci-Fi and UHD or whether we'll have to wait for the HD broadcast again?

Unfortunately, I missed this last night. Any word on whether Universal HD will show the mini series and first episode again? The search feature on the Universal HD site is useless.

Originally posted by jonnyb
Unfortunately, I missed this last night. Any word on whether Universal HD will show the mini series and first episode again? The search feature on the Universal HD site is useless. I remember seeing the first episode being repeated today at some point... Check out Titantv.com. Dan

Wow!... Only was able to watch half of the miniseries/pilot last night and it was incredible. Glad I waited for the HD version. Glad Universal HD was just added to my cable. This is a keeper for sure.

sunday night is a busy night...so I wanted to record the mini series and 33 at a different time...UHD schedule in the guide did not show any re-airing of the mini, but the episode ("33") was replayed...

last night was the first time I watched any of the new BG (never saw the old series; that was b4 my time). I'm glad I didn't watch the 3hr movie on NBC b/c they must've edited it as it ran 3gr w/ commercial on NBC and 3hr w/o commercial on UHD.

a couple of Qs:

1) did the dr. just pick out some guy at random and it turned out he WAS a Cylon, or was his mubo jumbo about the test for real?

(btw, the guy playing the dr. has the best job. he gets to canoodle w/ the hot blond cyborg all day.)

2) b4 each jump, the fighters are out 'patrolling'. then they scramble back into the bay and take off. why not have everybody sit tight in BG and jump when the Cylons show up?

yep. Baltar (the Dr.) picked someone who was bugging him...but also don't forget 6 helped...

they needed the pilots out in case they couldn't jump...they needed them to slow down the cylons...

So, is the "movie" we saw last nigh on DVD? I'm not sure about what I was watching last night - and, due to DVR ignorance, didn't record it correctly.

Last night they showed the three hour mini-series commercial free, followed by the first episode. I believe the mini is available on DVD.

Originally posted by PJO1966
Last night they showed the three hour mini-series commercial free, followed by the first episode. I believe the mini is available on DVD.

Yep, it's out on DVD. I'm not too impressed with the video quality however. I'd probably be more unimpressed if I ever get the chance to watch it in HD and compare. It was still worth the buy for me. I grew up with fond memories of the original series, but have enjoyed the new series far more.

The only thing I'd like to see is some of the original "Toasters" walking around. We saw the schematics for them in the original scene, so we know they're the same ones as we saw in TOS. Six said when she "came out" to Baltar that the old toasters were still around and that they had their uses. It would be cool to see one. Other than that, I'm trying to forget TOS. As much as I tried, I couldn't help but notice Boxy's haircut was the same as the original's. Also, every time there was a space battle I remembered the footage they used over and over in the original. Get out of my head!!!

Wohoo!! Since I don't get Star Trek in HiDef (it doesn't matter anyway it's canned) I finally have a chance to enjoy a space based sci-fi series in HiDef.
I like the docu-style camera shots which also applies to the space battles(remember AOTC? with the panning and zooming during the CGI battles?) It has similar style.

;)

Curious ... are the special effects and optical effects similar to B5?

Babylon5 was first on 12 years ago. Special effects are much cheaper, better, and more realistic now.

The people who did Firefly's special effects do these and you can see a lot of similiarities between them.

I love how the exterior sounds (explosions, collisions) are dulled down for realism. Of course, there is no actual sound in outerspace. The producers correctly guessed audiences are tired of in-your-ear laser blasts. I also like how Galactica's defenses are firing projectiles at the enemy instead of the standard cliched laser-beams.

This may have been discussed already, but I'll admit up front I did not read all +400 posts in this thread. Anyway, they can make 'jumps' which is presumably pretty fast. Is this light-speed, faster than light-speed?

Yet, they have to talk on 1970s corded telephones. LOL :D

FTL=Faster Than Light

Originally posted by TheFerret
This may have been discussed already, but I'll admit up front I did not read all +400 posts in this thread. Anyway, they can make 'jumps' which is presumably pretty fast. Is this light-speed, faster than light-speed?

Yet, they have to talk on 1970s corded telephones. LOL :D

Explained by the Galactica tour guide in the opening moments of the miniseries. Ancient technology used to thwart the cylons who could easily infiltrate any computer system. You've got to pay attention here.

Originally posted by bmel
Explained by the Galactica tour guide in the opening moments of the miniseries. Ancient technology used to thwart the cylons who could easily infiltrate any computer system. You've got to pay attention here. I don't suppose it ever occurred to you that maybe I had not the opportunity to see the entire opening 3-hour episode, huh?

I caught the opening 3-hour episode when it was two-hours into it. So, paying attention to that last hour did me no good. Still, FTL is from an anchient technology, but they still had to develop manufacturing technologies to produce products from that technology. And did those anchients not have better than POTS for communication?

It's a TV show. Alot was explained in the Miniseries. The miniseries has been available for rental since the end of December. Just rent it to see anything you missed.

Ok, I will no longer ask questions out of fear of them being inappropriate.

Originally posted by TheFerret
Ok, I will no longer ask questions out of fear of them being inappropriate.

I wouldn't go that far, everyone here encourages questions and discussion. But it would be a good idea to watch the miniseries before posting, as it really does a great job of laying down the foundation of the series itself. It's also worth watching for it's own sake, even if you don't end up watching the series.

All the computers in Galactica are standalone, not networked. They use printouts instead of having the computers share info. They use hardlines instead of radios within the ship. All of these were steps taken during the last Cylon war to prevent the cylons from corrupting their systems. At the time of the miniseries the Galactica was about to be decommissioned, and was looked upon as a relic warhorse with outdated technology and out-of-date thinking. The President (just the Secretary of Education at the time) had an argument with Adama about the very subject. Galactica was to become a Museum, and she wanted networked computers to make Tours/Classes easier to manage. He refused. Looks like he was right :-)

Makes you wonder though...if that exchange between them had gone better or hadn't happened at all, maybe they'd have a better relationship now. But first impressions are hard to shake.

Ferret, you'd benefit from renting (oh heck, just buy it; you'll be glad you did!) the DVD set of the miniseries/pilot as it has several scenes omitted or shortened from the NBC 3-hour version that they've just shown on UHD.

The concept of FTL drive in BSG is rooted in the concept of moving from place to place immediately, or without the passage of "time" as we recognize it. Kind of like if you drew a straight line on a sheet of paper (which would represent the "normal space" route), then folded the paper so that your start and end points are directly over each other. The FTL drive allows you to directly move from point to point inter-dimensionally without actually flying through the space in between. Hey, don't overthink it, it's sci-fi!

Originally posted by Iteki
They use hardlines instead of radios within the ship.
It's not just about the hardlines...it's about it being an old fashioned ANALOG phone...no CPUs to for the cylons to hack/take control of.

Originally posted by aaronwt
Babylon5 was first on 12 years ago. Special effects are much cheaper, better, and more realistic now.

Well, two out of three ain't bad. Visual effects are better and more realistic now, but not really cheaper. That level of realism is not cheap at all. I don't know the budget for single Galactica episodes, but I do know that Enterprise, wich to my eye doesn't look as good, has been known to spend as much as a million dollars an episode on visual effects. The old Babylon 5 never came close to that.

It's not the the effects are cheaper than they were 15 years ago...it's that producers and networks are more willing to spend the money, because they can see the benefit. Especially in the category of "invisible" effects. Producers are willing to spend money to create CG backgrounds because even though it is expensive, it can often be cheaper than shooting on location or building a set. That's where Galactica excels. The virtual sets are amazing, particularly in the original mini series, and I'd be willing to bet that most of the audience can't tell the difference between the virtual sets and real ones. Most people would be shocked to learn which are the fake backgrounds. What's more amazing is that they really hold up in HD. The show isn't counting on the low resolution of NTSC to help hide the imperfections.

And just an FYI here, because it is a pet peeve...in the industry "Special Effects" refers to practical effects that are shot in camera. Things like explosions, breaking glass, car crashes, etc. What I assume you are referring to are things that are added in post production, like space ships, virtual sets, computer animated cylons, etc. The correct term for those is "Visual Effects".

Originally posted by vfxproducer
Well, two out of three ain't bad. Visual effects are better and more realistic now, but not really cheaper. That level of realism is not cheap at all. I don't know the budget for single Galactica episodes, but I do know that Enterprise, wich to my eye doesn't look as good, has been known to spend as much as a million dollars an episode on visual effects. The old Babylon 5 never came close to that.

It's not the the effects are cheaper than they were 15 years ago...it's that producers and networks are more willing to spend the money, because they can see the benefit. Especially in the category of "invisible" effects. Producers are willing to spend money to create CG backgrounds because even though it is expensive, it can often be cheaper than shooting on location or building a set. That's where Galactica excels. The virtual sets are amazing, particularly in the original mini series, and I'd be willing to bet that most of the audience can't tell the difference between the virtual sets and real ones. Most people would be shocked to learn which are the fake backgrounds. What's more amazing is that they really hold up in HD. The show isn't counting on the low resolution of NTSC to help hide the imperfections.

And just an FYI here, because it is a pet peeve...in the industry "Special Effects" refers to practical effects that are shot in camera. Things like explosions, breaking glass, car crashes, etc. What I assume you are referring to are things that are added in post production, like space ships, virtual sets, computer animated cylons, etc. The correct term for those is "Visual Effects".

I had read that the budget for a single BSG episode was 2 million +.

Would you mind pointing out which bg's were fake? I usually have a pretty good eye for that but I must have missed it.

Hey check it out!

Am I mistaken? Looks like we're going to get it weekly on Universal HD now!

BSG on UHD (http://www.universalhd.com/Series/index.shtml#BATTLESTAR_GALACTICA)

I did notice when you click on "upcoming episodes" on any show on this page, it goes to a mess of broken links. Hopefully it's merely because they're re-designing the webpages at this very moment.

You're not mistaken... the first episode was this past Sunday, after they aired the mini. The big question is whether UHD will air the new episodes within a week of them airing on SciFi, or are going to have to wait for the season to finish first again?

I found in the directv online programming guide they are indeed airing episode 2 of the series next weekend, following up from the mini-series and airing of season 1 episode 1 last weekend. I guess Sci-Fi is also airing episode 2 this week, but I am doubtful they will run the new season at the same time on both networks.

"but I am doubtful they will run the new season at the same time on both networks."

I hope not (and I agree for the real reasons, they will not short SciFi feed), I save the SD to TiVo > DVD's, I have no way to record UHD at this time, and due to the market I live in buying a 169Time right now would be like getting a HD-TiVo (read no MPEG4) not much sense just yet. None the less the HD versions of the show are great, but I did enjoy the TOS too at the time. I'm still in wonder how some SciFi movies made in the early 50's still hold up today. Neat stuff, and glad to see others who enjoy it (SciFi).

Have a great evening, watch and enjoy some HDTV of your choice.

I noticed that the next episode runs on Scifi on Friday, and UHD on Sunday, pretty cool :)

I caught the tail end of the miniseries because I didn't expect it to be that good, but I was very impressed. I am planning on renting the DVD to catch up. How is the picture and sound quality on the DVD?

Originally posted by PJO1966
I had read that the budget for a single BSG episode was 2 million +. Would you mind pointing out which bg's were fake? I usually have a pretty good eye for that but I must have missed it.

I don't know how much of that 2 million is visual effects, but I'm sure it's a fair percentage.

One of the most impressive virtual sets is the landing bay. It's a very short set extended by computer graphics. There's a great shot in the mini series, I think the first time we see the hanger bay. The camera follows someone down a metal staircase as they enter the bay, then pans over to reveal more of the bay going off to the horizon, with vipers getting ready for flight. The whole background, from the stairway back, was added in post production.

Originally posted by mikey p
I'm still in wonder how some SciFi movies made in the early 50's still hold up today. Neat stuff, and glad to see others who enjoy it (SciFi).
I'm totally in wonder how a low-tech movie like Metropolis (1927) holds it's own against anything made today (IMO).

Breaking the Comfort Zone - HD workflow for BSG
http://millimeter.com/mag/video_breaking_comfort_zone/

This is what VFXProducer is talking about.

Originally posted by vfxproducer
I don't know how much of that 2 million is visual effects, but I'm sure it's a fair percentage.

One of the most impressive virtual sets is the landing bay. It's a very short set extended by computer graphics. There's a great shot in the mini series, I think the first time we see the hanger bay. The camera follows someone down a metal staircase as they enter the bay, then pans over to reveal more of the bay going off to the horizon, with vipers getting ready for flight. The whole background, from the stairway back, was added in post production.

That one was very impressive. I figured that couldn't be a soundstage. I don't know if this has been asked before, but do you know what equiment is used for the VFX? I wonder if anyone will be using BSG in their demo footage at NAB.

On a completely different note, I'm miffed at UHD. I just recruited my Partner to watch the BSG reruns on UHD and he's hooked. We were watching "33" last night and up came a promo for the new season starting in July on SciFi. They included footage from the season finale including Boomer shooting Adama. I tried to zip but I wasn't quick enough. I told him not to look but he said he saw it. I can only hope that by the time the finale will have rolled around he will have forgotten. It's entirely possible. I thought it was dumb for them to do that. They're showing clips from episodes that have yet to air on UHD. Dumb dumb dumb.

that is unbelievable! there are people on this thread (not me) who toughed it out and waited for UHD to start watching the series...

is there a "burn in hell, UHD" coming soon?

Originally posted by Anubys
is there a "burn in hell, UHD" coming soon?

Dudes, at least you have UHD! Some of us - well, most of us - still can't see this show in HD because so few providers carry it (mine are TWC and E*). In other words, if you're pissed at UHD because they didn't edit their previews, that's too bad, but I'd love to have your HD feed, spoilers and all!

Looks like the DVD boxset of season 1 is the best I'm going to be able to do. :( :mad:

Jane and I watched the mini-series on DVD Monday and Tuesday. I thought the sound and picture were great. The HD TiVo is all set to pick up the episodes from UHD, and "33" is ready for us when we get to it. :)

Mojo

Originally posted by archiguy
Dudes, at least you have UHD! Some of us - well, most of us - still can't see this show in HD because so few providers carry it (mine are TWC and E*). In other words, if you're pissed at UHD because they didn't edit their previews, that's too bad, but I'd love to have your HD feed, spoilers and all!

Looks like the DVD boxset of season 1 is the best I'm going to be able to do. :( :mad:

that does suck...sorry!

I guess it's true...no matter how bad you have it, someone has it worse ;)

Originally posted by PJO1966
I thought it was dumb for them to do that. They're showing clips from episodes that have yet to air on UHD. Dumb dumb dumb.

Well ... I suspect NBC/Universal has (quite rationally) assumed that 96%-99% of the viewers in US/North America that were going to watch the show have already seen season 1 on SciFi. It's kind of irrational to expect the BG universe to be spoiler free at this point. ;)

Can I agree with that and still be pissed?

;)

Originally posted by PJO1966
Can I agree with that and still be pissed?

;)

LOL ... whatever floats the boat, just remember that life is short ...

FWIW, I think the that the offending promos were actually meant for SciFi/USA to promote season 2. I suspect that they are only running them on UHD as fillers due to a lack of actual commercials on UHD.

"Breaking the Comfort Zone - HD workflow for BSG
http://millimeter.com/mag/video_breaking_comfort_zone/

This is what VFXProducer is talking about."

George....... Thanks for posting this, neat stuff.

Jolene Blalock... I'm going to miss that Vulcan "temptress..."

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/jolene.jpg

Originally posted by PJO1966
TI don't know if this has been asked before, but do you know what equiment is used for the VFX? I wonder if anyone will be using BSG in their demo footage at NAB.

From the article George posted earlier in this thread:

"Zoic uses an all-Lightwave (version 8) pipeline for modeling, texturing, animating, and rendering CG on the show. According to Hutzel, Boujou translates scene-tracking information directly into Lightwave, and 3D elements are rendered out that exactly match the motion from the original plates. These elements are then assembled in Combustion and are passed along to Zoic's HD Flame system for final composite."

Um.....whatever all that means. (It means it looks cool!)

In case anyone's interested, screensavers.com has 4 wallpapers for BG:

http://f.screensavers.com/migration/ss/BattlestarGalactica_215.gif http://f.screensavers.com/migration/wp/battlestargalactica_215.gif http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/539/galacticacylons_215.gif http://f.screensavers.com/OMS/img/539/galacticaapollostar_215.gif

http://www.screensavers.com/Home/TV/Sci-Fi+-+Fantasy/Battlestar+Galactica/Battlestar+Galactica/index.html?SS_ID=11929_13066_13692_93980

What... no Boomer?

http://home.nycap.rr.com/nessus/grace_park.jpg

"So say we all..."

I knew this show looked good. :)

Mojo

god someone feed that poor girl.

I think that Eddie Olmos' makeup as Adama is atrocious. When he's out of the makeup, in his mustache and naturally curly hair, he's a ruggedly good looking fellow.

Mojo

Well, they're trying for a certain gravitas with Olmos and he's pretty rugged-looking to begin with. Dudes in pretty good shape for his age, though. Might have been a golden gloves boxer in his youth.

Can you believe we have to wait all the way until July to see any more of this show? Frack! Anyone hear about season 1 DVD release?

Originally posted by TheFerret
Yet, they have to talk on 1970s corded telephones. LOL :D [/B]

FYI, I'm sure these are the Ron Moore versions of sound-powered telephones...really neat technological innovation of the 30s or so that you still find on most large Navy ships. Doesn't require power to actually make them work.

I am seething I don't have UHD. Damn Comcast!

Anybody unhappy with the visual quality of the regular BSG episodes
on UHD?

The mini-series looked good in HD, but the regular episodes not
so good. Contrast seems to be a bit washed-out, it's a little fuzzy
and motion has a slight strobe effect. The 'shaky cam' shooting
style coupled with the strobing effect was making me a little sea
sick. Did anyone else notice any of this (I'm watching via Voom).

Mike G.

Well it looks much better than when it was shown on SciFi.

mikegt,

There was an article a while back that dealt with the production of HD shows and it specifically addressed BSG. Most of the items you identified as problems are exactly what the director intended. I think the picture quality looks pretty good for a made for TV show.

My local Charter added UHD just days before BSG began its season one run (thank you thank you thank you). I see the "coming in July" spots for season two and it begs the question: Will UHD be showing first run season two episodes dovetailing with the end of the season one reruns?

Amazing at times. Great production values. As long as there's one tasty SF series running I've got my fix.

I would guess the same thing that went on with Season One will occur with Season 2. Scifi channel gets first run and UHD waits.....

If that occurs I will again avoid any threads about it and not watch it on Scifi.

> I think the picture quality looks pretty good for a made for TV show.

There are many HD shows on television that look better than what
I'm seeing with BSG. A few examples of great looking HD TV shows:
Deadwood, Cold Case, The L Word, Lost. The BSG mini-series (which
was shot on film, as are probably most of the series I just listed) looked
excellent. The regular episodes do not. The regular episodes are not
shot on film, which may have something to do with the difference in
quality from the mini-series.

The "shaky cam" style of shooting showed up about ten years ago as
a way of giving shows a "documentary" feel, except that it often is
taken too far. For example, in the scene at the end of last night's
episode, where Lee is arguing with his dad and the president about
what he did, the camera is constantly jiggling up and down and from
side to side. Like the cameraman desperately needed to relieve himself
or is suffering from Parkinsons. On the 50" set I'm watching the motion
is just too much. A real documentary cameraman would of been far
steadier. I kept thinking to myself that I needed to buy and send to the
production crew a decent tripod. :)

Mike G.

If BSG is shot on HD video, then how can a negative hair show up like this? This was from the climactic scene from the end of season one:

http://home.pacifier.com/~scowl/hdtv/BSGHair.jpg

I mean this has to have been shot on negative film, right?

> For example, in the scene at the end of last night's
episode,

Mike G.

If you didn't see "last night's episode" in HD, you're giving spoilers! Did season 2 start in HD and I missed it?

BTW I'm told that documentary shaky-cam style is actually a more expensive effect than shooting it straight.

If you didn't see "last night's episode" in HD, you're giving spoilers! Did season 2 start in HD and I missed it?


No, but the "spoiler" you're whining about was posted back in April. Sheesh. :rolleyes:

This thread is kind of a "cheating" thread where the discussion centers around the SD version airing on SciFi. It's in the HD Programming forum because it is filmed and will air in HD eventually. I guess it's possible it could actually be airing in HD as Atlantis does north of the border, in which case, it is 100% appropriate.

Either way, there's a different thread for those waiting for UHD airings that lack any spoilers. The thread with "No SciFi spoilers" followed season 1 and there's a new thread discussing watching season 2 on SciFi or wait for UHD. Either of those will avoid any Season 2 spoilers.

This thread will be referencing things as they unfold in Season 2 on SciFi, so be warned.

This thread will be referencing things as they unfold in Season 2 on SciFi, so be warned.

Very good; thanks for making that clear CP. I've actually been a little surprised there hasn't been more activity on this thread as season 2 is off to a rollicking start, all kinds of cool stuff going on that folks might want to talk about (now that we don't have to worry about the spoiler-weenies cryin' & moanin').

It's a really good show and I couldn't wait for the HD version to come out later this year.

Very good; thanks for making that clear CP. I've actually been a little surprised there hasn't been more activity on this thread as season 2 is off to a rollicking start, all kinds of cool stuff going on that folks might want to talk about (now that we don't have to worry about the spoiler-weenies cryin' & moanin').

Be nice, I'm a spoiler weenie at heart, but I've got no problem avoiding spoiler-laden threads.

I was wondering also why this never got bumped up once Season 2 started - been phenomenal season so far.

Maybe a clearer title is in order.

Maybe a clearer title is in order.

Yep; good job on that.

So, let's talk. We know we have 12 humanoid Cylon models and we knew of...what?...four so far (#6, Boomer, armory guy, diplomat guy) and now "doctor guy". So there's opportunity for 7 more. Plus Boomer says there are 8 more Cylons moled up in the fleet (including the #6 model we saw last year who tried to put the make on Adama - where'd she go?). Lots of possibilities for new surprises.

Now here's a theory: maybe the new scar on Starbuck's tummy was not to implant a Cylon/human hybred, or to extract her eggs. Maybe they needed a larger sample of DNA so that they can clone her and make a 13th humanoid Cylon model! Having a Cylon Starbuck would certainly be a coup for them, eh? Of course, maybe the Cylons don't use cloning to create their humaniods.

Adama told the Chief that he would be seeing Boomer again soon. Bet he didn't think it would be this soon as Boomer flies the heavy raider back to Galactica w/ Starbuck and Helo. Wonder if the dead Boomer transferred her consciousness to Caprica Boomer (or to all Boomers)? That reunion should be interesting.

You just know Starbuck will see the Pyramid captain again don't you? Leaves a reason for her to return to Caprica at some point where he'll have become a legendary resistance leader.

I assumed any successful embryos would yield a unique (somewhat) new humanoid cylon.

It was kind of hokey that the "missing ingredient" is Love. That's not a human problem. ;)

I assumed any successful embryos would yield a unique (somewhat) new humanoid cylon.

Yeah, that's what I thought too; biological reproduction doesn't yield exact copies except in the case of identical twins, and even then they're different from the parents. But since they've only got 12 human models, I'm thinking cloning is the basic mechanism used to create the humanoid Cylons. Maybe that's how they got the original 12; hopefully they'll address this down the line.

It was kind of hokey that the "missing ingredient" is Love. That's not a human problem. ;)

Agree again. My wife and I looked at each other and said WTF? It seems to be a little too hokey/corny for this show. Got to be a red herring.

I missed that 'love' statement...but I'm thinking the cylons somehow want to experience human love, so the next generation of cylons would likely have a range of human emotions. I wonder if two of these 'cyborgs' once created, will be able to reproduce offspring between themselves.

Adama told the Chief that he would be seeing Boomer again soon. Bet he didn't think it would be this soon as Boomer flies the heavy raider back to Galactica w/ Starbuck and Helo. Wonder if the dead Boomer transferred her consciousness to Caprica Boomer (or to all Boomers)? That reunion should be interesting.

I'm interested in Adama's reaction when he looked at the dead Boomer, there seemed to be an awful lot of emotion there, more that one would think for "just" a dead soldier...Is there a connection between the two that hasn't been revealed yet..? Or, was Adama reflecting on what her actions did WRT his relationship with his son..?

If BSG is shot on HD video, then how can a negative hair show up like this? This was from the climactic scene from the end of season one:

I mean this has to have been shot on negative film, right?I can only get BSG on Sci-Fi for now, but everything about the look of it suggests it's shot on video. Actually, the (dumbed-down) PQ in standard definition looks pretty terrible, almost the way mini-DV does when it's blown up for the big screen. Lots of overexposure on actors faces, whites are way too hot. Not sure where the hair in the frame came from. I've heard of added grain, but not hair. Perhaps the shows are transferred to film at some point...?

According to IMDB, it appears to be video,

Technical Specifications

Color info: Color
Camera: Panavision Cameras and Lenses
Negative format: Video (HDTV)
Aspect ratio: 1.78 : 1

WOW....cant believe I havent seen this thread before! I am a HUGE fan of the original and the new series (new series is way better in my mind). However I am new to the HD and Home theater realm.

I am in San Antonio and will be getting Time Warner Cable in the home...hopefully in 2 weeks when we close. The Home theater guys are installing a nice system with a 110 inch screen!

I simply cannot wait to see BG in HD....now my question is hopefully not too newbish....

Will I be able to watch BG in HD here in San Antonio? I have yet to recieve it here.

Thanks in advance!

Mike

PS...we are stuck watching BG on a 13" tv with a cable provided DVR in a 600square foot apt till the house is built! I long for big tv!!!!