I guess its still possible, but I don't recall anything during the prison cell scenes that would imply that he did. His visions of his dead wife might be a possibility, but again I don't recall him boinking her either.Go back and watch the end of "Escape Velocity" again (if you can stomach it :rolleyes:). As I described back in this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=13999414#post13999414) post, he dismisses the people monitoring her and turns off the cameras and comes back into the cell. They speak then struggle briefly, she throws him on the bed, straddles him and starts punching his face, hard. When she stops, he asks her to keep going, she tells him that pain isn't what he needs and starts kissing him, with no objection from him, at which point the scene fades. To my mind, there's a clear implication that sex followed, though he might have shook his head, growled "What the frak are you doing, woman!" and tossed her across the room. Wouldn't have been my reaction, but it's possible :D.

When Tigh fought with Adama, he never denied having sex with her. (Adama: "Do you deny it???? You won't! You can't!", while Tigh remains silent).

Mike,

180 degree turn here.

From what you posted, I can see a possibility, but as others mentioned how did two cylons make a baby.

Guess we'll find out soon enough.

I think in retrospect it's obvious they had sex after the fade in the Escape Velocity scene. Maybe I didn't pick up on it the first time because ... ewwwww! LOL

And please--your assumptions about my experience of love are baseless and potentially offensive, and your condescending hope that I should one day know the depths of love that you've experience doesn't help. I don't know you and you don't know me and you should avoid posting personal observation about people derived from their posted perceptions of this program--nothing good can come of that. (True, you didn't quote me, but as I was the only one arguing that Adama giving Starbuck a command was unreasonable and highly contrived, I feel personally addressed).

Oh my! I did not make any assumptions about you or anyone else, my observations were more about myself and my experiences. No offense was intended. Since I obviously did offend you, I sincerely appologize. So sorry.

I reread my post trying to figure out where I made a "personal observation about people" and I really don't see it. Maybe it is my "Maybe, someday, you will be too! Hope so." I think you might have read it as "you will be too michaeltscott." That was not my intention. It was meant as more of a "you all." I really was not keeping track of who was favoring which positions in the brig-versus-ship debate. Perhaps this is my fault for reading a little of the thread at a time over several weeks. Oops.

I think in retrospect it's obvious they had sex after the fade in the Escape Velocity scene. Maybe I didn't pick up on it the first time because ... ewwwww! LOLYeah, I know--first Cavil and Boomer, now Tigh and Caprica 6. "Ewwwww!", is right. There gotta be some horny old guys in the writing staff exerting their influence. Stockwell was 72 in March and I can find no record of Hogan's birthdate, anywhere online.

I have to say, this went from being the best show on TV to a weekly disappointment. Ever since "The Trial of Baltar", the show has repeatedly either bored me or shattered my suspension of disbelief. Just watched last weekend's episode and if not for the fact the show is almost at an end, I'd be removing it from my recording list. I don't know if the best writer quit or what but this is just pathetic. The fine acting and direction are still there but it's like nobody's home as far as the story goes.

I have to say, this went from being the best show on TV to a weekly disappointment. Ever since "The Trial of Baltar", the show has repeatedly either bored me or shattered my suspension of disbelief. Just watched last weekend's episode and if not for the fact the show is almost at an end, I'd be removing it from my recording list. I don't know if the best writer quit or what but this is just pathetic. The fine acting and direction are still there but it's like nobody's home as far as the story goes.

Thanks for sharing. Hope you're enjoying 'Deal or no Deal'. :rolleyes:

haha how's your "Save Enterprise" campaign going?

haha how's your "Save Enterprise" campaign going?

You must not be speaking to me; I led the campaign to get it canceled. Worst POS I've ever seen. No, check that; it was better than 'Voyager'. :p

You must not be speaking to me; I led the campaign to get it canceled.:p

Two hundred channels, 24 hours a day, 7 days - that's 33,600 hours of television a week, yet still you actually spent more than a second of your life trying to get rid of 1 hour of TV? Did Enterprise kill you dog or something?

Yeah, I know--first Cavil and Boomer, now Tigh and Caprica 6. "Ewwwww!", is right. There gotta be some horny old guys in the writing staff exerting their influence. Stockwell was 72 in March and I can find no record of Hogan's birthdate, anywhere online.

Ah, ha! I wonder what THAT means? Maybe he's not just playing a Cylon.....:eek:

You must not be speaking to me; I led the campaign to get it canceled. Worst POS I've ever seen. No, check that; it was better than 'Voyager'. :pHey! I enjoyed both series! Jolene Blalock and Jeri Ryan in skintight costumes--who could complain about that? (Blalock had many scenes in the decom room in her underwear having shiny gel smeared all over her body and also in her quarters in PJs--apparently they're into skimpy nightware on Vulcan, satin tops with one midriff button--meditating or teaching "Vulcan neuro-pressure techniques" to Trip :)).

Actually, I've been recording the series on HDNet and watching it over again. It's okay, as ST series go. My favorite was Deep Space Nine and least favorite was probably Next Generation.

I rewatched Enterprise during the writer's strike. I actually really enjoyed it. I had forgotten most of the storylines. It is probably my favorite Star Trek series, with DS9 a close second. I know I am in the minority for actually liking Enterprise, but I really enjoyed it as being slightly closer to "reality" than the other Treks, less pompous than Picard and Janeway, and closer in time and to our current situation than TOS and DS9. ST:ENT died before its time.

On a BSG note, I have to admit that none of the episodes so far this season have equaled the Trial of Balter and the finale last season with the reveal of the penultimate 4. I've said this earlier; I think the season 4 episodes would be better viewing without a week in between. It seems to me that there is a lot of setting the pieces in place for later episodes going on -- and it is taking quite some time to get everyone in position. BSG is still good show, but this season Lost became my number 1 with BSG 2nd, unlike previous years where BSG was clearly number 1.

Just my opinion.

I have to say, this went from being the best show on TV to a weekly disappointment. Ever since "The Trial of Baltar", the show has repeatedly either bored me or shattered my suspension of disbelief. Just watched last weekend's episode and if not for the fact the show is almost at an end, I'd be removing it from my recording list. I don't know if the best writer quit or what but this is just pathetic. The fine acting and direction are still there but it's like nobody's home as far as the story goes.

I honestly could not disagree with you more.

Two hundred channels, 24 hours a day, 7 days - that's 33,600 hours of television a week, yet still you actually spent more than a second of your life trying to get rid of 1 hour of TV? Did Enterprise kill you dog or something?

No, I didn't literally lead a campaign. :p But I'm on record as being sorely disappointed with 'Enterprise'. They had a chance to do something different, to "reboot" the ST franchise, and it was a great premise with great promise. But they totally blew it, IMO, and it became just another bumpy-headed-alien-of-the-week, by the numbers, ST series of no particular note. A big, honkin' disappointment.

I honestly could not disagree with you more.

And that makes, ummmm, just about everybody on this board in agreement with you, disagreeing with him. But everybody is free to express their opinion. ;)

ST:ENT died before its time.


It (EDIT) stank up the join the first 2 seasons but really found it's stride there towards the end (when it had nothing to lose).

ST:NG was the same way...first 2 seasons sucked, then they caught fire towards the end of Season 3 with the Borg storyline.

But they were syndicated, not a network show...I think that's where Paramount screwed up, trying to prop up UPN with that franchise. It was better off running on Saturdays up against NOTHING and still drawing millions as opposed to running up against big network shows that kicked it's ass every week.

my 2 cents.

Back to BSG...I think they might have cursed themselves by calling it quits this season. It left them with too much setup (as other posters have noted) and not enough time to do the actual story justice.

And that makes, ummmm, just about everybody on this board in agreement with you, ....I disagree, the show used to be the best on TV. It has fallen off though. I see many that feel the same way. Still worth watching since most of us have tuned in faithfuly for every episode and some like me have every episode recorded in HD.

I don't know if the best writer quit or what but this is just pathetic. The fine acting and direction are still there but it's like nobody's home as far as the story goes.

Well, I don't agree with the phrase "nobody home", but between the strike, the new prequel 'Caprica', and Ron Moore's other new show 'Virtuality', you could make a case that BSG isn't getting enough of RDM's focus and attention.

No, I didn't literally lead a campaign. :p But I'm on record as being sorely disappointed with 'Enterprise'. They had a chance to do something different, to "reboot" the ST franchise, and it was a great premise with great promise. But they totally blew it, IMO, and it became just another bumpy-headed-alien-of-the-week, by the numbers, ST series of no particular note. A big, honkin' disappointment.

Much agreed. STE was something that could have been great. The cast was in place, but they never had much faith in their premise, and instead ended up meandering a lot. Also, the larger story arc was abandoned regularly and never found again.

It (EDIT) stank up the join the first 2 seasons but really found it's stride there towards the end (when it had nothing to lose).

If it did, I wasn't tuning in when it happened.

Well, I don't agree with the phrase "nobody home", but between the strike, the new prequel 'Caprica', and Ron Moore's other new show 'Virtuality', you could make a case that BSG isn't getting enough of RDM's focus and attention.


And maybe that's it. To me, the show has gone down hill since "New Caprica". That's not to say that there haven't been some really good moments. But I find those moments are fewer and fewer in between. Like I've indicated earlier, I really hope that all of this apparent digression in the series is leading up to something larger. However the clock is counting down, and if so, they need to get on with it.

About this "decline" this season... I don't really agree. In my opinion, the first two episodes, along with Faith and Guess What's Coming to Dinner, were vintage BSG. Have we had a few set up episodes that weren't as exciting when viewed by themselves? Yes. But the only really "bad" episode so far, IMO, is this last one. Judging by the promo for this week, I think that was an aberration.

And maybe that's it. To me, the show has gone down hill since "New Caprica". That's not to say that there haven't been some really good moments. But I find those moments are fewer and fewer in between. Like I've indicated earlier, I really hope that all of this apparent digression in the series is leading up to something larger. However the clock is counting down, and if so, they need to get on with it.

I agree. I wouldn't call this season a bust ... but I've found myself getting very tired and bored with some of the most recent episodes ... I really hope they get back on track and move the story along. The whole dead feline sub-subplot was just a complete waste of time. It would have been far more interesting if he had actually shot and killed Lee. He's just annoying.

The first 2 1/2 seasons I watched BSG were on disk. There were rocky episodes as well back then, but the good news is that if my wife and I watched an epi that we didn't like so much, or left us unsatisfied, we merely popped the next one in immediately. For the last 1 1/2 seasons (after New Caprica, interestingly), the show has been uneven, but I now have the added frustration of not being able to pop the next epi in if that is the case.

Having said that, this past episode, Sine Qua Non felt a LOT like the old BSGs. I really liked the story arc of the counselor - and the cat. I knew something was odd about that cat, but couldn't figure it out until he threw his bag at Lee. (By the way, did the people kill the cat after the Baltar trial? Or was the cat dead back then as well? I would assume that the "dregs" killed the cat in retaliation for the Baltar trial, but I don't think it was specified. Just that the cat had been dead for weeks, and it was "unimportant/immaterial" when the cat died.)

Here's a Q&A with producer/writer Mark Verheiden. He takes fan questions after every episode and responds at this site. The link below is for the last episode. Some interesting answers...

http://www.comicmix.com/news/2008/06/03/battlestar-galactica-interview-mark-verheiden-on-adamas-motives-and-cylon-babies/

A fascinating and uniquely bizarre look at BSG and offspring:

http://io9.com/tag/battlestar-galactica/

(By the way, did the people kill the cat after the Baltar trial? Or was the cat dead back then as well? I would assume that the "dregs" killed the cat in retaliation for the Baltar trial, but I don't think it was specified. Just that the cat had been dead for weeks, and it was "unimportant/immaterial" when the cat died.)

I was wondering about that, too, but that is a good explanation. It could also be thugs sent from the camp of the VP's "enforcement branch", as well (but I guess the timing doesn't work out for that).

A fascinating and uniquely bizarre look at BSG and offspring:

http://io9.com/tag/battlestar-galactica/

Honestly all I got from that was

http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/05/bsg-girls-interview-mag-1.jpg

Wow, I'm beginning to second-guess my objection to the "hover-bike-on-Earth" plot line. :)

Wow, I'm beginning to second-guess my objection to the "hover-bike-on-Earth" plot line. :)

You aint just woofin!

And it's nice to see that those nasty tatoos that she sports in the show aren't real either.

A fascinating and uniquely bizarre look at BSG and offspring:

http://io9.com/tag/battlestar-galactica/In particularly, this (http://io9.com/5012136/two-problems-and-one-solution-for-fridays-battlestar-episode) little discussion of "Sine Qua Non" was interesting. Also the "When Did Battlestar Galactica Jump the Shark? (http://io9.com/394000/when-did-battlestar-galactica-jump-the-shark)" poll, which featured the picture of Sackoff above as well as one of Helfer. (I voted "When Baltar became the Manson Family love god" :D).

I read an interview with Sackhoff in which she stated that she and Tricia Helfer had become close friends, motorcycling on weekends with her boyfriend and Helfer's husband, but it didn't mention that they were doing it in bikinis :).

Cool Poll. I picked:

...when we had to watch Adama boxing (and speechifying) for an hour.

http://io9.com/assets/resources/2008/05/bsg-girls-interview-mag-1.jpg


I'll be in my bunk.

I have to say, this went from being the best show on TV to a weekly disappointment. Ever since "The Trial of Baltar", the show has repeatedly either bored me or shattered my suspension of disbelief. Just watched last weekend's episode and if not for the fact the show is almost at an end, I'd be removing it from my recording list. I don't know if the best writer quit or what but this is just pathetic. The fine acting and direction are still there but it's like nobody's home as far as the story goes.

+1

Cool Poll. I picked:

...when we had to watch Adama boxing (and speechifying) for an hour.

I know I'm in the minority but I liked that episode.

Last season began the decline. Episodes out of the blue like the workers of the world go on strike and Lee Adama's secret girlfriend hit new lows only equaled this season.

Let's get back to the Cylon civil war and unboxing. I think that's next week!

I think in retrospect it's obvious they had sex after the fade in the Escape Velocity scene. Maybe I didn't pick up on it the first time because ... ewwwww! LOLYeah, I know--first Cavil and Boomer, now Tigh and Caprica 6. "Ewwwww!", is right. There gotta be some horny old guys in the writing staff exerting their influence. Stockwell was 72 in March and I can find no record of Hogan's birthdate, anywhere online.You know, this exchange got me thinking about sexuality in Cylon society. There are supposedly millions of them out there somewhere, living and working with each other, but only seven physical types, 3 female, 4 male. The three female models, all beautiful, all tall and two of them fairly young (in appearance--there's no evidence that they age at all), have a choice of only four guys to hook up with, three of whom are fairly plain and short, one of whom is old and all of whom are significantly older (in appearance) than Models 6 and 8.

Given her choice of guys among her own people, maybe Tigh looks pretty good to Caprica Six :D.

I composed a little table comparing the various "Significant Seven" models. The heights, ages and birthdates are for the actors portraying them. I couldn't find the height of the guy who plays Simon, but on camera he seems to be about the same height as Doral.

Females:
========
# | Name | Height | Age | Birthday
---+--------+--------+-----+-----------
3 | D'Anna | 5'11" | 40 | 29 March
6 | Six | 5'10" | 34 | 11 April
8 | Sharon | 5' 9" | 34 | 14 March

Males:
======
# | Name | Height | Age | Birthday
---+--------+--------+-----+-----------
1 | Cavil | 5' 6" | 72 | 5 March
2 | Leoben | 5'11" | 47 | 14 September
4 | Simon | 6' 2" | 41 | 12 March
5 | Doral | 5' 7" | 40 | 9 AprilMildly interesting coincidence that all but one of the actors was born in March and April. The cast has a heavy-duty birthday celebration season over those two months.

EDIT: I was wrong about Rick Worthy, the actor who plays Simon. It's been so long since I saw an episode where he stands I couldn't remember his apparent height. A little digging reveals that he's 6'2", making him the tallest of the S7 models.

I know I'm in the minority but I liked that episode.

Last season began the decline. Episodes out of the blue like the workers of the world go on strike and Lee Adama's secret girlfriend hit new lows only equaled this season.

Let's get back to the Cylon civil war and unboxing. I think that's next week!

I think that boxing episode sticks in my mind, because I was talking about BSG at work at the time, and got a co-worker to check the show out. The night he checked it out was that episode. Needless to say, he wasn't impressed. And since I was watching that episode knowing that he was also watching it, I was more critical of it because I was watching it 'through his eyes'. If you know what I mean.

Yes! Let's get back to the Cylon Civil War and un"boxing". Great double play on words there. ;)

Yes! Let's get back to the Cylon Civil War and un"boxing". Great double play on words there. ;)Not much to discuss there. All we know from the preview is that D'Anna will be unboxed by a Sharon and a Cavil (presumably the lead Cavil and Boomer) and that she reaches up out of her ressurection bath to snap the Cavil's neck (who knows whether they still have enough resurrection stuff to bring that particularly instance of him back at that point--evidence in last week's episode is that they do have a large battle which may or may not have completely destroyed the hub, but which certainly left fragments of it behind). Dressed in a bathrobe, she's lead through corridors by Helo and while still in the robe with her hair still wet she looks at someone unseen and says "You know about the Final Five, but you don't know that you're one of them?" (The preview then shows Roslin sitting in a room on a Basestar--or other Cylon installation--giving a startled reaction, but we don't really know if that was even from the same scene).

We're also shown a squad of Vipers in flight as they start to fire missiles, Admiral Adama sitting in a room speaking to someone in a hospital bed, a few frames of the vision in which D'Anna sees the Final Five in the Opera House, armed Colonial Warriors stalking through the halls of what looks like a Cylon ship with weapons drawn (one male, one female), the resurrection hub in the vicinity of an intact Cylon Basestar with explosions and missiles streaking through the space around them and a Cylon Centurion turning to face a dark-haired man wearing a suit coat (could be Baltar, could be a model 5).

Lots of different conclusions can be drawn from these scattered images but why bother? The episode airs in 30 hours or so.

Imagine viewing a printer queue for the resurrection center, and then getting a message prompt, "Printer has been paused. Red ink cartridge is empty."

Oh crap!...we're out of red ink cartridges! Is Staples open this time of night? :eek:

No problem.....hit the Easy button.

I think that boxing episode sticks in my mind, because I was talking about BSG at work at the time, and got a co-worker to check the show out. The night he checked it out was that episode. Needless to say, he wasn't impressed. And since I was watching that episode knowing that he was also watching it, I was more critical of it because I was watching it 'through his eyes'. If you know what I mean.


I loved Unfinished Business. Along with the first 6 episodes and the last 5 of season 3. So that's 12 excellent episodes as far as I'm concerned. 6 of the other 8 were just "good." 2 could have been thrown in the garbage and no one would have noticed (Woman King and A Day In the Life).

Like loco, I think Sine Qua Non has been the only weak episode this season.

This isn't a dig on anyone, just a matter of preference really. I think some fans got used to a certain style of television with the first 1.5 seasons or so of BSG, and when the creators decided to switch things up, it turned off some viewers. I on the other hand, loved these changes. But I think that's because I'm growing a bit tired with shows that treat their characters as one-dimensional caricatures (24 and Heroes comes to mind, although I'll keep watching both, even after 24's season 6 **shiver**). Shows like BSG and Dexter like to mix things up a bit, and I welcome the change.

Also, that's the hottest pic I've seen of Sackhoff. O_o

I think Sine Qua Non has been the only weak episode this season.

Anything without he cult of Baltar is brilliant.

Actually, I liked the episode even if it mostly railroaded the show where we knew it was going. For all the faults of re-introducing Romo, and they are many, I thought the exchange between Romo and Adama was a rare case of real nuance in the writing and acting of the show. BSG can be very ham handed in its treatment of its character interactions.

Adama's, "You're right, there are limits to my realism" line was surprisingly subtle. Also, if you consider Romo's claims to have learned from Joseph Adama, then in a way Romo represents Bill's rejection of his father. Considering the recurring, and again often ham handed, theme in BSG of the notion of rejecting your parents, I thought the whole exchange was pretty cool.

Also, Adama and Tigh's exchange when he relinquishes command was very good. As I mentioned earlier, Tigh's face when Bill says, "You've learned a lot about yourself" is priceless.

Just my opinion. But, I thought the episode has its redeeming moments, especially for a bottle episode that we might assume is saving some cash for the season 4.0 finale.

I know I'm in the minority but I liked that episode.

Me too. It was one of my favorites, actually.

... armed Colonial Warriors stalking through the halls of what looks like a Cylon ship with weapons drawn (one male, one female), ...How do you tell the difference? :p



(Sorry, just could not overcome the compulsion...)

v/r,
C-F

How do you tell the difference? :p



(Sorry, just could not overcome the compulsion...)

v/r,
C-FMuch shorter (but then the guy looks like Helo--most people are shorter), narrow, oval-shaped face, wide hips, long hair. It could have been an effeminate man wearing his straight dark hair in a shoulder-length pageboy flip, but it sure looked like a woman. I might have thought it was a #8 with her hair down, but Athena's back with the fleet, shooting down every #6 who comes near Hera :).

...D'Anna will be unboxed by a Sharon and a Cavil (presumably the lead Cavil and Boomer)


Do we really know that there is a "lead" Cavil? I have been wondering about the Cylon power hierarchy. Perhaps this was covered in an episode I missed. I have always thought that we refer to the "Head Six" meaning the Six that may just be in Baltar's head, as opposed to a leader.



Lots of different conclusions can be drawn from these scattered images but why bother?
For the fun of it, of course! Wild speculation is what we do best. :D

Also, Adama and Tigh's exchange when he relinquishes command was very good. As I mentioned earlier, Tigh's face when Bill says, "You've learned a lot about yourself" is priceless.



Agreed. A priceless gem. I loved the ~ "you're not the same man you were then." Tigh was likely thinking. "You're right, I found out I'm a frakkin cylon!"

Do we really know that there is a "lead" Cavil? I have been wondering about the Cylon power hierarchy. Perhaps this was covered in an episode I missed. I have always thought that we refer to the "Head Six" meaning the Six that may just be in Baltar's head, as opposed to a leader.Prior to their civil war, the Cylons appeared to be lead by some sort of council, consisting of a representative from each model. By "head Cavil" I meant the Cavil who speaks for his model line at the council--I believe each of these council members to be a specific instance, not interchangeable with the others. The "lead Cavil" seems to have the vote of the 4s and 5s in his pocket, and with the boxing of model 3 and the defection of a single model 8 (Boomer), I think that he smugly presumes himself to be the leader of all Cylons.

And yes, "Head Six" does refer to the model Six in Baltar's head. The degree to which she's at all real is yet to be seen, though he definitely feels her touch. (The scene where she holds him up by his armpits while a soldier beats him is priceless :)).

Go ahead--speculate. Don't let me stop you. It's only 11 hours to airtime as I write this (8 hours to east coast and there'll be a 10 minute "sneak-peek" up on scifi.com at noon locally); we'll know what happens in the episode soon enough.

And yes, "Head Six" does refer to the model Six in Baltar's head. The degree to which she's at all real is yet to be seen, though he definitely feels her touch. (The scene where she holds him up by his armpits while a soldier beats him is priceless :)).

Which was another point that could have been included in the 'Shark Jump' poll. They've always been pushing the envelope on this 'aberration' in Baltar's head. And no matter how amusing the scene was, when that aberration actually got physical enough to hold Baltar up in front of other people, then I think the writers went off the deep end into extreme silliness.

Which was another point that could have been included in the 'Shark Jump' poll. They've always been pushing the envelope on this 'aberration' in Baltar's head. And no matter how amusing the scene was, when that aberration actually got physical enough to hold Baltar up in front of other people, then I think the writers went off the deep end into extreme silliness.

Moore talks about that in his podcast. For the overly anal amongst us...

They know they pushed the envelope there, but it was too late to reshoot the scene (James Callis did that completely on his own). Head Six exists only in Baltar's head, along with, now, Head Baltar. It's getting crowded in there. LOL!

Having just come off watching the entire series since my last post, I can tell you that Head 6 definitely moved Baltar's body a number of times before the beating scene... though not as dramatically.

That Head 6 is real, there is no doubt. That she is a manifestation who is plugged in to the Cylon programming, there is no doubt. She cannot be Baltar's alter-ego because she has imparted information about which only Cylons know. As to what exactly she is, (an angle of God?) remains to be seen.

I don't think it is silly at all. What's silly about it?

Will we find who "Head Six" is or was in Capricorn One ???

I have a feeling she is very old.

(The scene where she holds him up by his armpits while a soldier beats him is priceless :)).



Baltar: I really want to stay down!

:D

Agreed. Priceless. I think this is the only series I know of that I will ever buy on BRD (when available), which will then require buying a player.

Which was another point that could have been included in the 'Shark Jump' poll. They've always been pushing the envelope on this 'aberration' in Baltar's head. And no matter how amusing the scene was, when that aberration actually got physical enough to hold Baltar up in front of other people, then I think the writers went off the deep end into extreme silliness.Then it should have been silly two seasons ago, when he had Six bent over a table and Starbuck walked in and almost busted him. I thought each of these scenes were hilarious.

Then it should have been silly two seasons ago, when he had Six bent over a table and Starbuck walked in and almost busted him. I thought each of these scenes were hilarious.

Well, you could chock that one up as Baltar having a really good fantasy. But you guys kill me. Archiguy pointed out where even Moore said the scene was over the top and wasn't really intended.

I swear, I think some of you guys are so drugged by the BSG Kool-Aid that if Adama took a big dump in the middle of the command center, you would still excuse it and claim it was great and really showed Adama's sensitive 'human' side, and then go on to say it was one of your favorite episodes. :rolleyes:

Well, you could chock that one up as Baltar having a really good fantasy. But you guys kill me. Archiguy pointed out where even Moore said the scene was over the top and wasn't really intended.

I swear, I think some of you guys are so drugged by the BSG Kool-Aid that if Adama took a big dump in the middle of the command center, you would still excuse it and claim it was great and really showed Adama's sensitive 'human' side, and then go on to say it was one of your favorite episodes. :rolleyes:

I like it. When's it airing? BTW, you should have put that in spoiler tags. :D:D:D:D

I like it. When's it airing? BTW, you should have put that in spoiler tags. :D:D:D:D

"Command Dump" was one of my favorite episodes. Season 2 wasn't it?

:p

Season 5.number2

ahem... sorry.

Season 5.number2

ahem... sorry.

**presents Rutgar with red card**

Season 5.number2

ahem... sorry.

Actually, I liked the working title, "Adama Dump" a lot better. Plus it's fun to say really fast. :D

Actually, I liked the working title, "Adama Dump" a lot better. Plus it's fun to say really fast. :D

It's true. :D

It helps that I'm saying it like this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shRqw3ceEYE

It's true. :D

It helps that I'm saying it like this though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shRqw3ceEYE

Pretty funny. Was that Sandra Bullock?

i dont think starbucks good lookin + shes chunky.

Has there been an episode about the Pegasus?

Has there been an episode about the Pegasus?

razor ?

Pretty funny. Was that Sandra Bullock?
Indeed it was.
i dont think starbucks good lookin + shes chunky.
Sackhoff's chunky? Wtf?
Has there been an episode about the Pegasus?

Besides the Pegasus episodes? Like cowboy said, Razor. And Captain's Hand.

Sackhoff's chunky? Wtf?

Apparently some prefer their women to be built like 12 year old boys.

Apparently some prefer their women to be built like 12 year old boys.

Apparently some prefer starbuck who looks like a boy.

The discussion this week should be very interesting!

Very good episode. I can't believe they pulled it all off. Nice foreshadowing of Rosln's death.

next weeks ep looks amazing :D

Loved it. I'm kind of speechless right now. Can't wait to re-watch it at midnight.

And you know, Baltar is an a$$, but he's so funny. I've missed his humor, so I loved the scenes with him, Roslin, and the hybrid. LOL

And you know, Baltar is an a$$, but he's so funny. I've missed his humor, so I loved the scenes with him, Roslin, and the hybrid. LOL

That cracked me up a bit. Loved his one-sided conversation with the centurion, too.

Boy did D'Anna have a joke on Roslin! I couldn't help but to laugh and point in solidarity with D'Anna. She is sure nonchalant and cavalier with the humor for just being minutes out of the box.

This episode...don't even try to multitask other stuff while watching. That would be foolish!

Great episode. I was thinking we had 2 more left this year, but then I double checked and next week's is the last. :( And it is only an hour... :(

Loved the ending of this ep., made me cry a bit. Been waiting for that for 2 years. Nice to see Roslyn come back from the dark side.

Boy did D'Anna have a joke on Roslin! I couldn't help but to laugh and point in solidarity with D'Anna. She is sure nonchalant and cavalier with the humor for just being minutes out of the box.


She seemed to "click" with Roslin right out of the box, pardon the accidental pun.:) I have to wonder if they're going to form some type of "friendy" relationship. Laura seems to have had her eyes opened to a number of new possibilities.

This episode had everything that is great about BSG: relationships with characters, exploring issues of life and death and how the choices we make effect both, and, oh yeah, cool SFX.

Good episode, nice fake out with the 5th Cylon reveal. Watching Baltar talk to that 'toaster' was hilarious :D Also, I love the stuff where Cylons mingle with humans, seem to have the so much in common--pride, insecurity, mistrust etc.

Boy did D'Anna have a joke on Roslin! I couldn't help but to laugh and point in solidarity with D'Anna. She is sure nonchalant and cavalier with the humor for just being minutes out of the box.




Joke on Roslin, heck had us going too.

What's the deal with Roslin's visions during jumps?

That cracked me up a bit. Loved his one-sided conversation with the centurion, too.Only a loon like Baltar woud stand there and talk to one. That was really funny. I kept wondering if he was going to say something and cause another rebellion, ruin the whole mission.So Baltar has confessed. I see the show ending with him sitting in a jail cell, serving a life sentence on earth talking to six with both humans and cylons living in peace together but agreeing that yes Baltar is a jerk and cannot be trusted.

This episode had everything that is great about BSG: relationships with characters, exploring issues of life and death and how the choices we make effect both, and, oh yeah, cool SFX.+1

Only a loon like Baltar woud stand there and talk to one. That was really funny. I kept wondering if he was going to say something and cause another rebellion, ruin the whole mission.So Baltar has confessed. I see the show ending with him sitting in a jail cell, serving a life sentence on earth talking to six with both humans and cylons living in peace together but agreeing that yes Baltar is a jerk and cannot be trusted.

What total as wipe, he was sucking up to a toaster because he felt in danger, he ain't that crazy.

I love how on nearly every ep, he gets beat up cut up tortured by Cylons, its a living hell for him, love it.

I kept thinking that toaster would take off shooting all skin jobs Human/Cylon alike after the the slavery sermon.

You know in the 70s series of BSG, Baltar(an agent of the cylons) had been given authority to send Centurians out on missions.

When I was watching last night's episode, I couldn't help but wonder if they were going to do something similar to that in this series.

Looks like next week all the males end up in the air lock.
It looked like Tory bails to the base star, I think she takes Natalie's place as leader.

This was a kick butt ep, just a little too much shooting and space action. :rolleyes::D:)

You know in the 70s series of BSG, Baltar had been given authority to send Centurians out on missions.

When I was watching last night's episode, I couldn't help but wonder if they were going to do something similar to that in this series.

I though the same thing, kept thinking the toaster would respond "By your command" then start shooting, it could still happen just need the rotating high chair throne for him. :p

Boy did D'Anna have a joke on Roslin! I couldn't help but to laugh and point in solidarity with D'Anna. She is sure nonchalant and cavalier with the humor for just being minutes out of the box.

This episode...don't even try to multitask other stuff while watching. That would be foolish!

I think that D'Anna had us all going for just a moment. Who would'a ever thought that a Cylon could have a sense of humor? And a pretty good one at that.

This was a kick butt ep, just a little too much shooting and space action. :rolleyes::D:)I liked this episode a lot as well. Maybe those two unwatchable eps were them saving their VFX budget up for this :).

Good episode, lots of great moments. The ending was very well done. I rarely do, but I'm going to watch that one again this morning.
I think that D'Anna had us all going for just a moment. Who would'a ever thought that a Cylon could have a sense of humor? And a pretty good one at that.I never doubted that they did--they're just people. Weird people, forming a weird society, but people not that much different from the Colonials. Now that they're all mortal, they're a whole lot less different.

I liked this episode a lot as well. Maybe those two unwatchable eps were them saving their VFX budget up for this :).

Good episode, lots of great moments. The ending was very well done. I rarely do, but I'm going to watch that one again this morning.


Yes. This is the first episode this season, that I have the desire to watch again. :cool:

Much shorter (but then the guy looks like Helo--most people are shorter), narrow, oval-shaped face, wide hips, long hair. It could have been an effeminate man wearing his straight dark hair in a shoulder-length pageboy flip, but it sure looked like a woman. I might have thought it was a #8 with her hair down, but Athena's back with the fleet, shooting down every #6 who comes near Hera :).So I was right about this--it was Helo and an Eight, though not Athena.

I think that I notice an inconsistency there. I thought it was two Colonial Warriors because I recognized the flight suits. When I watched the episode, the Eight and Helo were on their way to the hub, shown seated side by side in a Raptor and the Eight was wearing the black Cylon flight suit. I thought, well maybe in the dim flashing light of the hallways of the hub, they just look the same. But, watching the scenes in the hub, with her stalking through the halls with Helo, pistols drawn, I could swear that they're wearing the same suit with the same circular patch on the shoulders (probably an insignia from Galactica). I think that when they enter the room with D'Anna's resurrection tank they are clearly both wearing Colonial flight suits.

I just looked at the scene again, and she's wearing a Colonial flight suit when she's standing next to Helo during the mission briefing. Perhaps it's because she's coming with him on a Raptor? Maybe there's some interface between the clothing and the ships? Who knows.

Interesting dynamic between her and Helo. The fact that she personally accessed Athena's last download (during her mission to rescue Hera) probably leaves her in love with Helo and feeling maternal towards Hera. I wonder what will grow out of that :)?

The scene with Baltar "preaching" to the Centurion is also precious. "I can see a real hierachy around here, and I have to tell you, you're on the lower end of the scale, my friend. Yes you are. Which is odd when you think about the Cylon God. They told you about God, didn't they? Well He's your God as well. And God doesn't want any of his creations to be...slaves. Not that you're a slave...exactly."

The episode early this morning in SD on Scifi..."Final Cut" introduced us to DAnna and from the start she had a sense of humor... Best effects since Exodus II or maybe even the Mini Series...a keeper for sure...

Joke on Roslin, heck had us going too.

What's the deal with Roslin's visions during jumps?

Just a guess....but I took that to be the time between "tick" and "tock" (old Babylon 5 reference!).

Possibly just an hallucination, or a vision, or a visit to that place between shadow and substance like where D'Anna visited that allowed her to see beyond the mere physical.

Hey, who doesn't like Kool-Aid? You keep coming back every week for your squeeze-pouch....:p

Yeah, but most of this season they have been slipping in unsweatend grapfruit juice.

I use to peel grapefruits and eat them straight a lot.

Best part was having a drink of water afterwards.

Way to make a comeback from last week....total 180* degree in direction. Plot, flow, and just about everything we can expect in a BSG episode. Absolute greatness in for the form of a television show. I cannot wait to see the mid-season conclusion and then die a little inside when I realize we're going to have wait 8+ months to see the end...

I had tears in my eyes when Adama and Roslin were reunited...real tears...great episode.

Joke on Roslin, heck had us going too.


nope....cause shes in the picture.

What total as wipe, he was sucking up to a toaster because he felt in danger, he ain't that crazy.

He is the king of the cowards. What a great scene.

I just watched it again. It really was quite well done. One of my favorite exchanges:D'Anna (looking up at Cavil from the resurrection tank): You thought you were putting me away forever. So what changed?
Cavil: War. A genuine Cylon civil war. Ones and Fours and Fives against Twos and Sixes and Eights. That objected to your...retirement. Now your supporters are working with humans against all the rest of us. All in your name.
D'Anna (turning in the tank to face Boomer): Boomer's an Eight--shouldn't she be on the other side?
Cavil: Boomer's my pet Eight. She's seen the light of reason. And an Eight can be a passionate ally.
D'Anna (with contempt): 'Til she sees something shiny.I sense that Eights will wreak much more havoc, having already begun with Athena's vision-inspired execution of Natalie.

It's also a shame that Roslin felt it necessary to break their covenant with the Cylons for a chance to speak to D'Anna privately. I have no idea how, if D'Anna had agreed to tell her who the Final Five were, she intended to keep it secret from the other Cylons. Was she planning to kill D'Anna or to abduct her? In any case it was all for nothing and there will doubtless be payment extracted down the line.

Awesome episode, man this episode had it all. Plot development, big reveals, effects, character development, and even a sense of humor thrown in not just once, but several times (Roslin/Baltar/Hybrid, fake 5th cylon reveal, and Baltar/Centurion exchange)!

My prediction for the 5th cylon all along has been Roslin so I got really excited for a second, and then stabbed right through the heart (though I still found it hilarious).

Good to see Diana back as well, I really like her character.

Was she planning to kill D'Anna or to abduct her? In any case it was all for nothing and there will doubtless be payment extracted down the line.

Didn't they say in the meeting after talking to the rebel Six for the first time that the plan was to hold D'Anna until they found Earth, and then turn her over to the cylons after that?

Didn't they say in the meeting after talking to the rebel Six for the first time that the plan was to hold D'Anna until they found Earth, and then turn her over to the cylons after that?I don't recall any such agreement, and the Cylons certainly didn't. Both Helo and the Eight who accompanied him to the hub to retrieve D'Anna thought that the Cylon's expected to immediately question her (with the humans) as to the identity of the Final Five; finding the Final Five and taking them away with them is the stated goal of the Two/Six/Eight faction. Roslin's desire to interrogate D'Anna first and alone made little sense if the other Cylons would be able to question her later--it was just something that would piss them off.

The Cylons understand that finding out how to get to Earth from the Final Five is the goal of humanity, but if the Final Five know how to get there and tell the humans, they'll still know when they're turned over to the Cylons. Roslin's double-cross made no sense, unless she expected the Cylons to ace her out of finding out who the Final Five are, and that excuse isn't going to stop them from seeking to retaliate.

I don't recall any such agreement, and the Cylons certainly didn't. Both Helo and the Eight who accompanied him to the hub to retrieve D'Anna thought that the Cylon's expected to immediately question her (with the humans) as to the identity of the Final Five; finding the Final Five and taking them away with them is the stated goal of the Two/Six/Eight faction. Roslin's desire to interrogate D'Anna first and alone made little sense if the other Cylons would be able to question her later--it was just something that would piss them off.

The Cylons understand that finding out how to get to Earth from the Final Five is the goal of humanity, but if the Final Five know how to get there and tell the humans, they'll still know when they're turned over to the Cylons. Roslin's double-cross made no sense, unless she expected the Cylons to ace her out of finding out who the Final Five are, and that excuse isn't going to stop them from seeking to retaliate.

My impression was that Roslin wasn't concerned so much as to the location of Earth, but more importantly who the five were that were in her fleet that could pose a security risk.

D'Anna (with contempt): 'Til she sees something shiny.

Great line. Don't you know that its a forewarning of things yet to come.

I wonder if we can now eliminate Roslin as a possibility for the final Cylon? Certainly, in the narrative of the show, she could still be the one. But after the big fakeout, I can't see them going back to that well again. I suppose you could argue that it would be even more surprising now, but I'd argue that it would just be very cheap to fake us out and then go back and say "gotcha again!" some time in 2009. :D

And of course, RDM said no one in the Last Supper pic is the final Cylon. But I don't necessarily believe him these days. :)

I assumed Roslin's plan was to find out the final 5, contain them, find the location to Earth, then have them all killed.

Can't imagine she'd be dumb enough to allow any Cylons (including Athena) to follow the fleet to Earth.

I assumed Roslin's plan was to find out the final 5, contain them, find the location to Earth, then have them all killed.

Can't imagine she'd be dumb enough to allow any Cylons (including Athena) to follow the fleet to Earth.

As I recall they both had a double cross planned. The cylons planned to hold the humans on the base ship hostage until the 5 were turned over to them. The humans planned to keep the 5 until they found earth. There was going to be a fight over them one way or another...unless the 5 find a way to make peace.

Can't imagine she'd be dumb enough to allow any Cylons (including Athena) to follow the fleet to Earth.

Until they find out that Earth IS the Cylon homeworld....

I think that D'Anna had us all going for just a moment. Who would'a ever thought that a Cylon could have a sense of humor? And a pretty good one at that.

Cavil has a great sense of humor...excuse me he HAD a great sense of humor :-)

On the previews for next week, it looks like the toasters start a skin job round up. I wonder if this could be the hinted toaster rebellion, maybe triggered by Baltars conversation, maybe all toasters are linked in some way? because that toaster died I think.

As I recall they both had a double cross planned. The cylons planned to hold the humans on the base ship hostage until the 5 were turned over to them. The humans planned to keep the 5 until they found earth. There was going to be a fight over them one way or another...unless the 5 find a way to make peace.

That's true. But hadn't they called off the double-cross? Natalie had second thoughts about it, but Leoben was concerned that the Centurions were already "committed" to the plan. That was why Natalie went to Galactica but got killed in the process, she was supposed to stall for time while Leoben tried to get the Centurions to stand down from the hostage plan.

That's true. But hadn't they called off the double-cross? Natalie had second thoughts about it, but Leoben was concerned that the Centurions were already "committed" to the plan. That was why Natalie went to Galactica but got killed in the process, she was supposed to stall for time while Leoben tried to get the Centurions to stand down from the hostage plan.

True. And I don't believe we seen the Cylons redress the issue.

BTW, where's Boomer? She was with D'anna. But I don't recall what happened to her after D'anna was taken by Helo and the other 8.

True. And I don't believe we seen the Cylons regress the issue.

BTW, where's Boomer? She was with D'anna. But I don't recall what happened to her after D'anna was taken by Helo and the other 8.After D'Anna casually reaches out and snaps lead Cavil's neck, Boomer gasps and beats a hasty retreat. She never says a word in the entire scene.

After D'Anna casually reaches out and snaps lead Cavil's neck, Boomer beats a hasty retreat. She never says a word in the entire scene.

That would explain why I lost track of her then.

On the previews for next week, it looks like the toasters start a skin job round up. I wonder if this could be the hinted toaster rebellion, maybe triggered by Baltars conversation, maybe all toasters are linked in some way? because that toaster died I think.

The Centurion died before the resurrection ship was destroyed wasn't it? So its possible that it was uploaded somewhere else, I don't know the rules or turn around for Centurion uploads but it might be as simple as flipping a switch on a new body and instant, where the skinjobs need time to redevelop organic connections.

The Centurion died before the resurrection ship was destroyed wasn't it? So its possible that it was uploaded somewhere else, I don't know the rules or turn around for Centurion uploads but it might be as simple as flipping a switch on a new body and instant, where the skinjobs need time to redevelop organic connections.

The Centurions resurrect? I've always assumed they were just machines.

^ that's a good question. I think they might re-download, because their raiders do....remember the episode about Scar?

The raiders are biological (ot at least partly so).

It's kind of an open question. Some people feel that they're completely mechanical because they've never been shown to bleed while being killed, whereas the raiders output a big splash of blood when shot down, often splattering the windshield of some Viper (almost always in space battle scenes now--never, I believe, in a scene prior to the reveal of their organic nature in "You Can't Go Home Again"). Personally I think that Centurions do have organic brains, partly because I just can't see Cylons deciding to put organic brains in every model except one, and partly because it was revealed that every Centurion had a device implanted called a "Telencephalic Inhibitor". ("Telencephalon" is a neurological term, being the embryonic form of the cerebrum). Finally, as a computing professional, it doesn't make any sense to me to design a piece of electronics capable of achieving self awareness such that you'd have to place an additional device in it to prevent that.

It was interesting that D'Anna says (while still in her resurrection bath), "Oh, the inhibition's has been lifted. Oh, I sense it." It seemed to be a reference to the Two/Six/Eight faction's removal of those Telencephalic Inhibitors from the Centurions, giving them free will and reason. (BTW, I was wrong before--Boomer does speak in that scene, announcing the rebel Basestar's jump in and the launch of their attack on the hub).

... It was interesting that D'Anna says (while still in her resurrection bath), "Oh, the inhibition's has been lifted. Oh, I sense it." It seemed to be a reference to the Two/Six/Eight faction's removal of those Telencephalic Inhibitors from the Centurions, giving them free will and reason. ...Or she may have referred to the "inhibition" on [thinking/talking] about the Final Five.

I also looked for Centurion [Mk II] organic debris in [Baltar's wounding] scene, but did not make a study of it...

v/r,
C-F

Speaking of Balar's wound, he had a pretty good about of blood flowing....like an artery or vein got cut. Doesn't seem that sticking a dressing on it would have stopped the internal bleeding.

Speaking of Balar's wound, he had a pretty good about of blood flowing....like an artery or vein got cut. Doesn't seem that sticking a dressing on it would have stopped the internal bleeding.

Its a magic bandage that exists only in the future... or the past.. or 1980... whenever the show takes place...

I think it's safe to conclude it was impregnated with the same sort of 'blood stopper' clotting agent that was used previously on Gaeta.

Are you guys assuming that the final cylon is fully aware that he/she is a cylon - or not?

I don't recall any such agreement, and the Cylons certainly didn't. Both Helo and the Eight who accompanied him to the hub to retrieve D'Anna thought that the Cylon's expected to immediately question her (with the humans) as to the identity of the Final Five;

Right, but I was talking about right AFTER they talked to the lead 6 for the first time Roslin, Adama, and Tigh met privately and argued over what to do and they decided they would hold onto the identities of the final 5 themselves until they found Earth, and then turn them over to the cylons.

Actually, I just pulled up the episode. It's a meeting with Roslin, Tigh, Adama, and Helo (so it's odd that Helo acted so surprised in this week's episode, a borderline screwup because he knew the plan all along). Tigh says to just kill blow up the station with D'Anna in there and keep the 5 secret for obvious reasons his peers are unaware of, to which Roslin responds:

"Why don't we split the difference? Unbox D'Anna, find the final 5, keep the 5 until we get to Earth, then turn them over to the Rebels. They've waited this long, it'll be on our terms".

Then Adama replies "So we put a lid on it, the real plan stays in this room".

I guess it could be interperated that the idea is to let them know the final 5 but keep them to themselves, but just keeping D'Anna to themselves accomplishes the same end.

I just saw Sine Qua None for the first time streaming from SciFi, and Racetrack took fr@k to an whole other level. There was an early last season ep where it sounded like it, but this time she actually drops an f-bomb. I'm assuming it was edited for TV.





Also, Adama and Tigh's exchange when he relinquishes command was very good. As I mentioned earlier, Tigh's face when Bill says, "You've learned a lot about yourself" is priceless.Excellent exchange between the old dudes (verbally and physically). Still the best show on TV.

Are you guys assuming that the final cylon is fully aware that he/she is a cylon - or not?I guess that I'd been assuming "not".

I just saw Sine Qua None for the first time streaming from SciFi, and Racetrack took fr@k to an whole other level. There was an early last season ep where it sounded like it, but this time she actually drops an f-bomb. I'm assuming it was edited for TV.


Which scene? I think it's her delivery of the word. Most of the other actors don't put the proper level of f-bomb tone on frak. Her, Michael Hogan, and the guy that played Fisk really deliver that word believably.

The episode early this morning in SD on Scifi..."Final Cut" introduced us to DAnna and from the start she had a sense of humor... Best effects since Exodus II or maybe even the Mini Series...a keeper for sure...
Speaking of which, any reason they dont show the older episodes in HD? We know they are all available in HD, so why not use those transfers?

Which scene? I think it's her delivery of the word. Most of the other actors don't put the proper level of f-bomb tone on frak. Her, Michael Hogan, and the guy that played Fisk really deliver that word believably.Where she and the other guy find the stranded raptor. Tigh used it on Adama real good, too.

Not so many down statements about BSG this week, huh?

I loved the false reveal. The hardest I've ever laughed at a non-Baltar moment on BSG. Actually, come to think of it, it was kinda Baltar-esque in terms of the underlying self-destruction Roslin is engaged in, and also even a touch of the latent narcissism.

As to Baltar's endless wound, it should be pointed out that CyGod has render Baltar 110% indestructible. At the base of it, CyGod was screwing with Roslin, pretty much daring her to commit the ugly act.

Of course, now everyone has at least one companion ghost, vision, manifestation of CyGod, blond chick or deceased pet hanging out with them. With human and Cylon numbers dwindling fast, imaginary friends are in high demand.

One more episode. Hope it's a doozey.

Are you guys assuming that the final cylon is fully aware that he/she is a cylon - or not?

I suppose it could go either way. Either s/he heard the "wake-up" music when the other 4 did, but didn't join the "Come as You Are" Cylon party--or heard it but didn't want to do a reveal.

Another possibility is that s/he is waiting for a different song like, "Baby You're the One" or something. :D

The raiders are biological (ot at least partly so).

I wonder if they have an inhibitor than can be removed.

I wonder if they have an inhibitor than can be removed.

Vurb, the whole civil war started because a slight majority of Cylons decided to lobotomize the raiders.

Not so many down statements about BSG this week, huh?

I loved the false reveal. The hardest I've ever laughed at a non-Baltar moment on BSG. Actually, come to think of it, it was kinda Baltar-esque in terms of the underlying self-destruction Roslin is engaged in, and also even a touch of the latent narcissism.

As to Baltar's endless wound, it should be pointed out that CyGod has render Baltar 110% indestructible. At the base of it, CyGod was screwing with Roslin, pretty much daring her to commit the ugly act.

Of course, now everyone has at least one companion ghost, vision, manifestation of CyGod, blond chick or deceased pet hanging out with them. With human and Cylon numbers dwindling fast, imaginary friends are in high demand.

One more episode. Hope it's a doozey.

I loved Roslin's line when tending to Baltar: "I think you're going to live ... as usual." :D

Did I understand right what D'anna was saying to Roslyn? Something about all of her deception to the Cylons was unecessary because she would have still taken up with Roslyn, even if they were surrounded by Cylons? D'anna mumbled something, and I didn't quite get it.

Did I understand right what D'anna was saying to Roslyn? Something about all of her deception to the Cylons was unecessary because she would have still taken up with Roslyn, even if they were surrounded by Cylons? D'anna mumbled something, and I didn't quite get it.

She was saying she didn't trust either side...and that her information is the only leverage she has over the two camps.

If they don't reveal the final one in the mid-season conclusion, I think thats going to piss a lot of people off...

Did I understand right what D'anna was saying to Roslyn? Something about all of her deception to the Cylons was unecessary because she would have still taken up with Roslyn, even if they were surrounded by Cylons? D'anna mumbled something, and I didn't quite get it.


Haven't watched it again yet (tomorrow), but I think that was the gist of it. D'anna knows she's the last of her line and self-preservation has to be paramount with her. And with that, she's probably starting to get what the humans have felt like the last few years. It's ironic that she now trusts human over Cylon. Doubly ironic that the more exposure the Cylons have to humans, the more they start to think, act and behave like them.

Doubly ironic that the more exposure the Cylons have to humans, the more they start to think, act and behave like them.

Neuro-net 'Learning' CPU's. :cool:

She was saying she didn't trust either side...and that her information is the only leverage she has over the two camps.

If they don't reveal the final one in the mid-season conclusion, I think thats going to piss a lot of people off...

Prepare to be pissed off, then. I would imagine the revelation of the final cylon will be in the last episode, and its reveal will not only reveal the identity, but will be in conjunction with some HUGE revelation about the nature of cylons/humans/hybrids, etc.

I'd wager the mid-season finale will give us the identity of the final cylon.

There's plenty of crap dealing with Earth and the future prospects of humans and cylons to fill up the final half-season, they don't need to hold that as well.

Are you guys assuming that the final cylon is fully aware that he/she is a cylon - or not?

I'm thinking that the reveal will be the cliff hanger - we will only see that back side with crazy lighting and we won't be certain....

That's my guess!:D

Vurb, the whole civil war started because a slight majority of Cylons decided to lobotomize the raiders.IMO lobotomizing them and removing an inhibitor giving them free will are two different things. By not firing on one of the final 5 the raiders could have been executing some hidden directive programmed into them that the other cylons are not aware of just as most of the cylons do not know who the final 5 are.

Haven't watched it again yet (tomorrow), but I think that was the gist of it. D'anna knows she's the last of her line and self-preservation has to be paramount with her. And with that, she's probably starting to get what the humans have felt like the last few years. It's ironic that she now trusts human over Cylon. Doubly ironic that the more exposure the Cylons have to humans, the more they start to think, act and behave like them.
Every cylon that has rebelled must trust the humans now. They arent coming back if they die so being the last one doesnt mean squat. They all are learning the human reality of dying now. I do think its interesting the way they seem to want to become more human and act differently.

IMO lobotomizing them and removing an inhibitor giving them free will are two different things. By not firing on one of the final 5 the raiders could have been executing some hidden directive programmed into them that the other cylons are not aware of just as most of the cylons do not know who the final 5 are.The Raiders already had free will, which is why they were able to defy orders and cut off the attack when they recognized one of the Final Five. Instead of devising a "telencephalic inhibitor" for them, the Ones, Fours and Fives lobotomized them to remove their self awareness and ability to defy commands, something which the inhibitors did for the Centurions.

I loved this episode, too. I got taken in by the fake reveal, too, and I was actually getting a little pissed off, because I'd remembered from the previews D'anna saying something like, "Well, you're one of them." Then when that scene came up in this ep, and it's just D'anna and Laura in the room, I was thinking, "I can't believe they spoiled the reveal in the previews! Those jerks!" I was really dreading it, until D'anna started laughing, and I realized they got me, just like she got Laura. I loved it. :)

I loved the visions Laura was having, and how facing the inevitability her own death has now humanized her. And the moment between her and Bill at the end was wonderful. His "About time" response was perfect for him -- his way of saying "I love you, too." Best response to "I love you" since Han Solo's "I know."

Baltar was priceless in this episode. He is such a loon, and Jamie Callas continues to be spot-on perfect in his performance. I loved his conversation with the centurion, especially his "They did tell you about God, didn't they?" I'm hoping the centurion communicated that to his centurion buddies before he was destroyed. We've already seen the centurions becoming more independent and even showing some contempt for the numbered Cylons. Perhaps this will be a turning point for them to go against the numbered Cylons, instead of being their slaves, which could add another dimension to this Cylon civil war.

Can't wait until next week. I think the fifth will be revealed.

I loved this episode, too. I got taken in by the fake reveal, too, and I was actually getting a little pissed off, because I'd remembered from the previews D'anna saying something like, "Well, you're one of them." Then when that scene came up in this ep, and it's just D'anna and Laura in the room, I was thinking, "I can't believe they spoiled the reveal in the previews! Those jerks!" I was really dreading it, until D'anna started laughing, and I realized they got me, just like she got Laura. I loved it. :)

I loved the visions Laura was having, and how facing the inevitability her own death has now humanized her. And the moment between her and Bill at the end was wonderful. His "About time" response was perfect for him -- his way of saying "I love you, too." Best response to "I love you" since Han Solo's "I know."

Baltar was priceless in this episode. He is such a loon, and Jamie Callas continues to be spot-on perfect in his performance. I loved his conversation with the centurion, especially his "They did tell you about God, didn't they?" I'm hoping the centurion communicated that to his centurion buddies before he was destroyed. We've already seen the centurions becoming more independent and even showing some contempt for the numbered Cylons. Perhaps this will be a turning point for them to go against the numbered Cylons, instead of being their slaves, which could add another dimension to this Cylon civil war.

Can't wait until next week. I think the fifth will be revealed.

At first I thought Baltar conversation with the Centurion was merely added for comedic effect and not that important to the story line. But now that I think about it in the context of what has happened, I think this is the beginning of the revolution of the Centurions against the skin jobs (the previews sort of lead me down this path as well).

I mean, the setup happened a long time ago: The "rebels" removed the inhibitors way back when at the start of the civil war. Cavil's remark was highly prescient: something like, "You don't know what you have done" meaning this was a BIG deal. I think it comes to a head next week.

Great that Baltar planted the seed for Centurion rebellion. All this has happened before and all will happen again, indeed. Now it looks like we will have another machine against "human" rebellion.

I hope they don't screw the pooch and make some 'twist' ending to where it turns out that all of the humans are skinjob Cylons.

My guess is that the final cylon will be revealed next episode (as it's called "revelations")
BUT, at the final scene of the episode, to keep us talking about it for months of hiatus...

(I can't believe another 9 mos. or so between THE SAME SEASON episodes)

My guess is that the final cylon will be revealed next episode (as it's called "revelations")
BUT, at the final scene of the episode, to keep us talking about it for months of hiatus...

(I can't believe another 9 mos. or so between THE SAME SEASON episodes)It won't necessarily be that long, but given the shooting schedule created by the strike, they just recently got all of the photography in the can; post production won't wrap up until sometime in the Fall. They could launch the 2nd half of the season any time after that.

Late Summer starts with 3 month mid-season breaks is traditional for Sci Fi Channel. They get a jump on the major networks' new season by a couple of months and take a break while everyone is distracted by the premiering new shows, returning just before re-runs begin. (Sci Fi did decide to dispense with that for BSG Season 3, running it all continuously, starting in late Fall). This won't be like that, exactly, but it needn't be too much worse. We'll see.

It's the most aggrivating thing having to wait so long to continue the 'current' season of this show. Really makes no sense to me at all.

My parents started watching BSG again because they heard it was the last season and they wanted to see how it ended. They were a little miffed when I told them about the hiatus.

I just consider these half seasons as separate seasons.

It's better for the DVD sales as well. 2 box sets for ~$30 each compared to ~$40 for a whole season ...

Its gonna be a long wait.

Its a magic bandage that exists only in the future... or the past.. or 1980... whenever the show takes place...

Produced by the same company that makes the thermal bandages, for "The fifth Element"

She was saying she didn't trust either side...and that her information is the only leverage she has over the two camps.

If they don't reveal the final one in the mid-season conclusion, I think thats going to piss a lot of people off...

Even if they reveal the fifth, big deal I doubt they're doing anything with it, at least not this year, and that pisses me off 2009 to see the end. :mad:

I seriously doubt the ending will be as good as the wait would make you expect :mad:

Produced by the same company that makes the thermal bandages, for "The fifth Element"
Probably the same company that produces the invisible shield that protected Baltar from the nuke blast in he pilot.

I hope they don't screw the pooch and make some 'twist' ending to where it turns out that all of the humans are skinjob Cylons.

I believe thats exactly where they're going with this, but its so obvious that maybe its a misdirection move, I hope it all lives up to expectations.

Does anyone else think Helo has it made, I mean two Sharon's? why not strike a deal, become a polygamist give the two sisters goofy hair dos, take a raptor and populate some planet all by yourself, sure some inbreeding will occur butt they could end up looking pretty hot, call the place Vulcan. :)

OK its a stretch for Sharon to end up looking like Jolene.

Does anyone think Boomer survived, maybe after resurrecting lead Cavil.
They can resurrect quick, remember Leoben on new Caprica Starbuck would knife him and he would be back before she finished dinner.

I think those two will pop up again.

Does anyone think Boomer survived, maybe after resurrecting lead Cavil.
They can resurrect quick, remember Leoben on new Caprica Starbuck would knife I'm and he would be back before she finished dinner.

I think those two will pop up again.


I was wondering about Boomer as well. I suppose she was long gone off of the ressurrection hub when Helo showed.

Great episode. Loved D'Anna twisting self-absorbed Bro Cavil's neck. That Boomer 8 model does have some bad emotional programming, probably old code from the Vista group in Redmond, WA.

Two possible improvements were I a BSG writer.
1. Have the mech Cylon that Baltar was preaching to say "By your command!"
2. Have D'Anna's bathrobe slip just a bit

It won't necessarily be that long, but given the shooting schedule created by the strike, they just recently got all of the photography in the can; post production won't wrap up until sometime in the Fall. They could launch the 2nd half of the season any time after that.

Late Summer starts with 3 month mid-season breaks is traditional for Sci Fi Channel. They get a jump on the major networks' new season by a couple of months and take a break while everyone is distracted by the premiering new shows, returning just before re-runs begin. (Sci Fi did decide to dispense with that for BSG Season 3, running it all continuously, starting in late Fall). This won't be like that, exactly, but it needn't be too much worse. We'll see.

FWIW, they're still shooting. I believe they're scheduled to be done by the end of this month.

I'm not expecting the rest of the episodes until 2009. I'm hoping for early 2009, but I'm bracing for March or April again. At least this time, the wait would "only" be from June to April, rather than March to April.

There's lots of speculation as to why SciFi would do this. Some say it's just for budget reasons, that they want to spread the budget for these 20 episodes over two fiscal years (or whatever, I'm not a business major, lol). Some say what you say, michaeltscott, that they want to avoid scheduling problems against the new fall TV season. Some say they just want to hold on to the franchise for as long as possible. Let's face it, Skiffy doesn't have many programs of value to offer. :rolleyes:

I don't think the 5th will be revealed this week. There is too much chaos to be exploited by the revelation to the rest of the crew that Tigh, et. al. are Cylons. I don't think the writers would want to move through that too quickly.

Two other factors: 1. Looks like in the preview, Tigh spills the beans to Adama before D'anna can; and, 2. IRC, one of the writers has said that episode #11 would have been the series conclusion has the writers' strike continued. I suspect we'll get a 7-8 month cliffhanger this week, and see the last Cylon in that Episode.

FWIW, they're still shooting. I believe they're scheduled to be done by the end of this month.

I'm not expecting the rest of the episodes until 2009. I'm hoping for early 2009, but I'm bracing for March or April again. At least this time, the wait would "only" be from June to April, rather than March to April.

There's lots of speculation as to why SciFi would do this. Some say it's just for budget reasons, that they want to spread the budget for these 20 episodes over two fiscal years (or whatever, I'm not a business major, lol). Some say what you say, michaeltscott, that they want to avoid scheduling problems against the new fall TV season. Some say they just want to hold on to the franchise for as long as possible. Let's face it, Skiffy doesn't have many programs of value to offer. :rolleyes:Sorry for that bit of misinformation. I'd remembered reading RDM quoted as saying that it was in the can and awaiting post, but I was wrong. From a Chicago Tribune interview with RDM (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2008/04/ron-moore-on-ba.html) ("MR" is "Maureen Ryan", the interviewer):
MR: Do you have any sense of when the final 10 episodes will air?

RDM: They haven’t made a decision yet. The earliest would be in the fall, it’ll take us that long just to shoot and [do post-production on] the episodes. I think the betting is probably not until '09 but they haven’t pulled the trigger one way or another.

MR: Do you have a preference on when they air?

RDM: I don’t really have a preference. I think people would like it [to finish up] this year, because you’re more connected to it. But I don’t mind stretching it into next year. I don’t know that it makes a huge amount of difference to the audience one way or the other. I think that ultimately it’s all about the DVD boxed set and when the entire series is put together on the Internet, that’s how it will live in perpetuity.I can't see where waiting to air it later is going to help them in any way whatsoever. It's the only thing that I watch on Sci Fi Channel now and when it's not on, I won't watch Sci Fi unless they add stuff of interest. (I'll definitely watch any interrim BSG feature films that they may air, and the pilot for Caprica, should it air before they roll out the end of the series).

RDM: I don’t really have a preference. I think people would like it [to finish up] this year, because you’re more connected to it. But I don’t mind stretching it into next year. I don’t know that it makes a huge amount of difference to the audience one way or the other. I think that ultimately it’s all about the DVD boxed set and when the entire series is put together on the Internet, that’s how it will live in perpetuity.

Gee, and here I though it was just the TV show I wanted to see, when all I really want is a box set.:rolleyes:

I loved Roslin's line when tending to Baltar: "I think you're going to live ... as usual." :D

Wouldn't there come a point where the whole fleet would agree to boil Baltar in acid just to see if it would work? Or maybe build a giant version of the BlendTec blender... I mean, Baltar is one "Yippee kay yay" away from being Bruce Willis.

At first I thought Baltar conversation with the Centurion was merely added for comedic effect and not that important to the story line. But now that I think about it in the context of what has happened, I think this is the beginning of the revolution of the Centurions against the skin jobs (the previews sort of lead me down this path as well).


In fairness, the producers and writers seem acutely aware of what fans are expecting and are using some of these previews to screw with us.

I hope they don't screw the pooch and make some 'twist' ending to where it turns out that all of the humans are skinjob Cylons.

I know it's not the strongest defense, but every now and then a Newhart / Planet of the Apes ending works. Not often. But, often enough that I don't think you can knock the idea until you see it.

I know it's not the strongest defense, but every now and then a Newhart / Planet of the Apes ending works. Not often. But, often enough that I don't think you can knock the idea until you see it.

He already has. He's made up his mind about what's "cool" and what's not. Expecting someone like him to have an open mind about something like this is, as Romo Lamkin would say "an exercise in futility".

Gee, and here I though it was just the TV show I wanted to see, when all I really want is a box set.:rolleyes:

Moore recognizes that a HUGE part of his audience found the show through syndication and yes, DVD sets.

I see no problem with his statements. I'd much rather watch the show on a DVD set at my leisure as opposed to a set time each week for a TV broadcast. Wouldn't you?

I'm not expecting the rest of the episodes until 2009. I'm hoping for early 2009, but I'm bracing for March or April again. At least this time, the wait would "only" be from June to April, rather than March to April.


loco, my sources say mid-January. They're in post-production (special effects and pick-up shots) at the moment.

It sounds like they could probably air them in the fall if they were really determined, but I have no problem with the wait. I've been watching this show for 5 years, another 6 months isn't going to kill me.

from a poster on another forum:

The problem with BSG being disseminated on a commercial network is that it creates the (false) impression that it is a consumer product.

As a result, lots of viewers (and the majority of posters on this Board) approach it with the attitude that they somehow deserve to have their expectations met, to have everything play out according to their wishes, rather than having a more open mind and actually focusing on the deeper issues.

It's the "McDonald's" approach to art. Nobody wants any surprises while they gobble down their Happy Meals.

:)

Wouldn't there come a point where the whole fleet would agree to boil Baltar in acid just to see if it would work? Or maybe build a giant version of the BlendTec blender... I mean, Baltar is one "Yippee kay yay" away from being Bruce Willis.

In fairness, the producers and writers seem acutely aware of what fans are expecting and are using some of these previews to screw with us.

I know it's not the strongest defense, but every now and then a Newhart / Planet of the Apes ending works. Not often. But, often enough that I don't think you can knock the idea until you see it.

Actually, the producers and writers have nothing to do with the promos. That's all SciFi's doing. Some of the writers are actually horrified by what Skiffy has been revealing in the promos this season. This is according to Bradley Thompson's significant other, who posts over at the SciFi board.


loco, my sources say mid-January. They're in post-production (special effects and pick-up shots) at the moment.

It sounds like they could probably air them in the fall if they were really determined, but I have no problem with the wait. I've been watching this show for 5 years, another 6 months isn't going to kill me.

The show is definitely still shooting through the end of this month. They are currently shooting the final two episodes. I hope your sources are right about January.

I read a rumor that they have asked Skiffy for an extra hour (or two!) for the final episode. No idea how true it is. The rumor came from the same guy who broke the news of the movies.

Well. Looks like "big angry" went through about an hour of anger management therapy here on the BSG thread. Honestly dude, if that anger permeates the rest of your life, you're on the fast track to a heart attack.

While I agree that some folks can be a little hyper-critical and not really be comprehending the Big Issues at play on this show, it doesn't do any good to hurl such a cornucopia of insults their way. Sometimes we forget that this show is often a victim of its success, as another poster mentioned. It's been so ridiculously good for so long that our expectations have gotten out of hand. NCIS draws 8 times the viewers, for example, but doesn't generate 1/8 of the passion that this show does. While that's a good thing, let's not forget that BSG is a "big tent" kind of show. We welcome anyone who wants to discuss it here, and there's always plenty to discuss; they write it that way. And let's all try to be a little more tolerant. We don't want to chase anyone away who wants to come here and talk about the show we all love. Just sayin'.....

Personal attacks deleted.

I know it's not the strongest defense, but every now and then a Newhart / Planet of the Apes ending works. Not often. But, often enough that I don't think you can knock the idea until you see it.

I'm still hoping for Dirk Benedict suddenly walking up from a dream, then going to tell Mr. T that he had a dream he was a woman Viper pilot. Then, Mr. T says, "That's just dumb, fool!!", and punches his lights out.

Produced by the same company that makes the thermal bandages, for "The fifth Element"

A.C.M.E.?

Whatever you do, don't buy something and expect the return it. Their return policy is horrible, they only give you store credit.



:p

I don't think the 5th will be revealed this week. There is too much chaos to be exploited by the revelation to the rest of the crew that Tigh, et. al. are Cylons.

This.

Don't forget, Lee is still not too happy with Roslin, will he fight her for the presidency even after her return?

Adama just gave command of the Galatica to a Cylon, whats he going to do now, especially with the fours' revelation to the fleet?

My guess is the season ends with Roslins finger on the button, as the three of the final five we see in the preview, face death. Someones going to be racing to save them, but will they make it in time...

It could be the thing that ultimately re-unites the skinjobs, as the centurions and raiders rebel.

Too much going on, the fifth will be reviled around the time we understand why and what about earth, and it will be central to that plotline.

Does anyone else think that they'll keep the 5th Cylon a mystery till the last episode in the series?

I can't see them giving that up before then.

Does anyone else think that they'll keep the 5th Cylon a mystery till the last episode in the series?

I can't see them giving that up before then.

I hope not. Because I can't imagine any character that would live up to that kind of hype, other than Adama. And that wouldn't be a surprise since so many have already guessed him. I'd rather they go ahead and get it out of the way either this week or early in the final ten episodes.

Personally, I'm far more interested in the rest of the story. I don't want the whole show to come down to some "who is, who isn't?" mystery. Really, who would surprise you? I can't imagine any "revelation" (*cough*) packing enough of a wallop at this point to live up to that long of a wait. There are more important things like finding earth, what happened to Starbuck, what are the Head characters, how will they deal with the Cylons, etc, to learn about. IMHO, of course. :)

So, I'm hoping that it will be revealed in "Revelations" on Friday, but I kind of doubt it will.

Not a chance they'd wait that long. The 5th will be revealed Friday. Who the 5th cylon is is fairly insignificant compared to all of the things to reveal to wrap up the series. There'd be no point in holding on to that bit of info.

Plus, they've known that there was going to be a fairly long hiatus. You need something big to bridge that gap.

So how about this for a final ending. The skin jobs and the humans find earth and at that point want to live in piece but are then destroyed by the centurion robots who have now been rendered free.

It happened before and it happens again.

My ideal ending would have Baltar and #6 as the only people to actually make it down to the surface of Earth and the closing scene would be of a naked #6 biting an apple. :)

Does anyone else think that they'll keep the 5th Cylon a mystery till the last episode in the series?

I can't see them giving that up before then.

I really hope not. I would think they would want to get the reveal overwith after teasing it all season. If for no other reason, but to move the story along.

Plus the promos have been saying "All. Will. Be. Revealed." I don't think most fans would see the humor in them adding "In. 2009!" onto the end of that. :D

And CPanther, I have thought many times that Six and Baltar could be Adam and Eve. I don't know how satisfied I'd be with that, but it's a cool idea.

It sounds like they could probably air them in the fall if they were really determined, but I have no problem with the wait. I've been watching this show for 5 years, another 6 months isn't going to kill me.

My understanding is that, especially with graphics work, accelerated production comes at a steep financial cost.

Actually, the producers and writers have nothing to do with the promos. That's all SciFi's doing. Some of the writers are actually horrified by what Skiffy has been revealing in the promos this season. This is according to Bradley Thompson's significant other, who posts over at the SciFi board.

They may not have a hand in the promos, but when they make a point of doing a head fake on Roslin, they're admitting to paying attention to fan expectations. It is to the credit of those who produce the promos that this fact is not lost on them.

The alternative is finding a post-apocalypse Earth with data left behind showing that the 13 colonies originated from Earth many years ago.

Does anyone else think that they'll keep the 5th Cylon a mystery till the last episode in the series?

I can't see them giving that up before then.

That would be like waiting two-years to see who shot J.R.

'All will be revealed'.

Any last minute guesses on who it will be? I think D'anna is pointing to who it is in the Last Supper photo. If it was said that "no one" in the photo is the final Cylon, that would leave Head Six and/or, I believe, Tigh's Six, open?

My understanding is that, especially with graphics work, accelerated production comes at a steep financial cost.



They may not have a hand in the promos, but when they make a point of doing a head fake on Roslin, they're admitting to paying attention to fan expectations. It is to the credit of those who produce the promos that this fact is not lost on them.

I'm glad someone enjoys the promos. :D I think the SciFi promo monkeys are awful. They give away entirely too much. I honestly think the D'Anna fakeout of Roslin would've been even more enjoyable if we hadn't had any idea it was coming at all.

I'm glad someone enjoys the promos. :D I think the SciFi promo monkeys are awful. They give away entirely too much. I honestly think the D'Anna fakeout of Roslin would've been even more enjoyable if we hadn't had any idea it was coming at all.

Indeed...pretty crappy of them. Very 4th wall (winking at us through the joke). I also thought the promos for this week's ep was WAY TOO INFORMATIVE. But they didn't consult me :-)

My thought on the last of the 5...it's likely someone very close to a position of power (all the other 4 are 2nd in commands, close to the chain of command, etc). Who does that leave? Zarek has been mentioned...please not Baltar...Doc? I don't think so, but it's possible. Dee has always been in the CIC and married Lee when he took over the Pegasus. I'd love to see Billy climb from under a rock 'resurrected'...that would be a kick.

I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead. All will be lost including the way to Earth. Another way will be needed. Ros, not wanting to pannic anyone, will make up an answer (Just like the idea of Earth was made up in season one). By a total fluke, it will lead them to Earth anyhow.

I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead. All will be lost including the way to Earth. Another way will be needed. Ros, not wanting to pannic anyone, will make up an answer (Just like the idea of Earth was made up in season one). By a total fluke, it will lead them to Earth anyhow.


I think that might be cool. Before I started thinking it was Zarek, I was leaning toward Admiral Cain. She's still my second choice.

My ideal ending would have Baltar and #6 as the only people to actually make it down to the surface of Earth and the closing scene would be of a naked #6 biting an apple. :)


I have been thinking about a similar ending ever since the Letterman top ten with Six and Tigh each saying ~ "tune in and ya just might get to see me naked." Please don't let Tigh be the "Adam."

I am thinking that the reveal of the final five will be the cliffhanger for the first half of this season.

I am thinking that the reveal of the final five will be the cliffhanger for the first half of this season.

I hope that is true, but I think it is more likely they will find earth for the mid-season cliffhanger and we won't know the final cylon until next year.

Regarding the final cylon, I've been thinking that it may be Greystone's daughter reborn... so maybe Dee? or Hera?

>>> I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead.

Is that possible? I thought they blew the Hub.

I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead. All will be lost including the way to Earth. Another way will be needed. Ros, not wanting to pannic anyone, will make up an answer (Just like the idea of Earth was made up in season one). By a total fluke, it will lead them to Earth anyhow.That's an interesting idea. It would need to be someone that the D'Anna might not realize is dead. I vote for Billy Keikeya.

A huge mystery has fallen by the wayside--where the hell did Starbuck go when her former Viper appeared to explode, only to return months later in a brand new Viper??? Where the hell was she for three months, how was she returned to the fleet when she had no way to find them and where did the Viper come from??? From the preview, it looks like her new Viper is finally about to become a topic of interest, hpefully returning us to those questions. Everyone on the show seemed to have just put the matter out of mind, with Starbuck returning to her regular duties as CAG :rolleyes:.

>>> I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead.

Is that possible? I thought they blew the Hub.If the person is dead it would just mean that the Final One is now and forever lost (we have no idea whether any of the Final Five could have ressurected before the hub was destroyed). It's a possibility and would explain why he or she wasn't compelled to join the other four in their little Bob Dylan inspired meeting aboard Galactica.

>>> I'm thinking that the last is someone who is dead.

Is that possible? I thought they blew the Hub.

Someone who was killed earlier and we think is dead. They would have been resurrected well before the Hub was destroyed, just not reintroduced into the show yet.

Someone who was killed earlier and we think is dead. They would have been resurrected well before the Hub was destroyed, just not reintroduced into the show yet.

I suppose that is possible.

Of course, they have not explained exactly how the resurrection process worked (at least I don't remember an explanation). We have always seen the end of the process with the Cylon waking up in the goo bath.

Not sure if that means they "grow" a body in the goo, then download the consciousness, or they've keep a "spare" model number around.

If it is a spare, then some of the Cylons would already know the identity of the final 5 because of the "blanks". However, my guess is that that isn't the case. Maybe the "final" Five are indeed the "first" five as some have speculated. It is also possible that they never were capable of downloading and being re-born.

If the person is dead it would just mean that the Final One is now and forever lost (we have no idea whether any of the Final Five could have ressurected before the hub was destroyed). It's a possibility and would explain why he or she wasn't compelled to join the other four in their little Bob Dylan inspired meeting aboard Galactica.

Yes, but all of the of the Five are supposed to be in the fleet... supposed to be, anyway. That narrows it down.

Though I have watched everything except Razor, as a complete newb, I'm more or less just sticking to the storyline as it's been presented. I can't remember, but have we seen Head-six since the other Four became aware they were Cylons? It would have been really cool to see someone we know "killed" but then resurrected as the Final One. But that can't happen now, I guess.

Again, as a newb, I'd be very disappointed if this spun off into left field with someone who is not well known. I'd be disappointed because I've actually had to study the show to learn what's going on. Granted, all within the last month.

I just wanted to say, I think this thread adds to the enjoyment of the show.

>>> Of course, they have not explained exactly how the resurrection process worked (at least I don't remember an explanation). We have always seen the end of the process with the Cylon waking up in the goo bath.

Yeah, the whole resurrection process has been rather nebulous. There have been resurrection ships nearby the base ships, and the Hub apparently integral to the entire re-birth process for the entire Cylon race. Yet Leobin was back before Starbuck finished dinner. And other numbers seemed to be just... back. How they were transported from the resurrection ships was never explained.

Someone who was killed earlier and we think is dead. They would have been resurrected well before the Hub was destroyed, just not reintroduced into the show yet.

That makes sense. Thanks.

I suppose that is possible.

Of course, they have not explained exactly how the resurrection process worked (at least I don't remember an explanation). We have always seen the end of the process with the Cylon waking up in the goo bath.

Not sure if that means they "grow" a body in the goo, then download the consciousness, or they've keep a "spare" model number around.

If it is a spare, then some of the Cylons would already know the identity of the final 5 because of the "blanks". However, my guess is that that isn't the case. Maybe the "final" Five are indeed the "first" five as some have speculated. It is also possible that they never were capable of downloading and being re-born.

Did they show a clue in the last episode? When Helo was racing to get back to his ship with D'Anna, didn't they come across a goo bath with a "blank" inside?

from a poster on another forum:

The problem with BSG being disseminated on a commercial network is that it creates the (false) impression that it is a consumer product.

As a result, lots of viewers (and the majority of posters on this Board) approach it with the attitude that they somehow deserve to have their expectations met, to have everything play out according to their wishes, rather than having a more open mind and actually focusing on the deeper issues.

It's the "McDonald's" approach to art. Nobody wants any surprises while they gobble down their Happy Meals.

:)

Interesting quote. The problem with viewers like that is they forget that it *IS* commercial television, which exists purely for the purpose of selling advertising. Any pretensions beyond that which fans choose to bestow upon the show are ignoring the realities. The show exists only as long as it draws eyeballs to advertising. If NBC-Universal thought "Vegas in Space" would bring in more viewers and advertising dollars, that's what they would be showing on Sci-Fi instead of BSG. Which explains a lot of the crap on that channel.

We are just very fortunate that this is one of the rare occasions when good writing and good acting happen to result in good revenue. Usually, they don't. Thankfully, the premise of the show is such that we can't be bombarded with product placement. Imagine if the Vipers had Dodge logos on them.

Did they show a clue in the last episode? When Helo was racing to get back to his ship with D'Anna, didn't they come across a goo bath with a "blank" inside?That goo bath had a recognizable Eight in it, presumably what gave Helo pause, seeing a lifeless face identical to his wife's staring blankly out of a tank of glowing goo.

In part one of the season 2 episode "Resurrection Ship", we see recon photos that Starbuck took in a close fly-by of a resurrection ship in the Blackbird, Tyrol's special project Viper-like stealth ship. From the outside of the ship, we can see bodies of distinct models in storage and none of them are blank. Admiral Cain, while examining the photos, zooms in to see a bunch of model #6 bodies. Every indication is that fully-formed stored bodies are retrieved and placed in one of those baths and the latest recorded memories of the instance to be resurrected is downloaded into it. The only part of them that's "blank" is their minds.

It's possible that the resurrection ships can produce "special order" bodies to resurrect one of the Final Five, but we have no evidence of that. I'm guessing that they're one-offs and if one of them has died, he or she would not have been resurrected.

Of course, they have not explained exactly how the resurrection process worked (at least I don't remember an explanation).

We also haven't seen an explanation for why destroying the hub is more than just a temporary inconvenience. Presumably the Cylons can just build another one.

Did they show a clue in the last episode? When Helo was racing to get back to his ship with D'Anna, didn't they come across a goo bath with a "blank" inside?

That's certainly possible. I don't remember that myself, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there.

So, are you thinking by "blank" like the concept of a stem cell or those pods from the old Invasion of the Body Snatchers?---basically an uncustomized body that then gets "stamped" with the downloaded model, memories and personality?

I honestly think the D'Anna fakeout of Roslin would've been even more enjoyable if we hadn't had any idea it was coming at all.I was quite surprised and delighted by this scene and it was easy to accomplish: don't watch the previews and if you do, don't post what you saw in the previews so more watchers can also be surprised and delighted! :)

Just because this particular discussion thread has decided that previews are fair game to discuss (not my opinion), doesn't mean you have to do it. You can choose to be nice to other folks even if the don't know it and won't appreciated it until later! :)

Interesting quote. The problem with viewers like that is they forget that it *IS* commercial television, which exists purely for the purpose of selling advertising. Any pretensions beyond that which fans choose to bestow upon the show are ignoring the realities. The show exists only as long as it draws eyeballs to advertising. If NBC-Universal thought "Vegas in Space" would bring in more viewers and advertising dollars, that's what they would be showing on Sci-Fi instead of BSG. Which explains a lot of the crap on that channel.

We are just very fortunate that this is one of the rare occasions when good writing and good acting happen to result in good revenue. Usually, they don't. Thankfully, the premise of the show is such that we can't be bombarded with product placement. Imagine if the Vipers had Dodge logos on them.Amen. We luck out when a show is actually good because that's not what they're aiming for; they're just trying to produce stuff that many people will watch. The most watched shows are rarely things like BSG, and BSG has never been among the top rated shows. It probably hasn't spent much time in the top one hundred, even among cable TV program (there's a great graph of its ratings history at the BattlestarWiki, here (http://en.battlestarwiki.org/wiki/List_of_Nielsen_ratings_(RDM))). It's rarely had more than 2.5 million viewers--only half that, recently--and the 20th ranked show of the season (Fox's detestible Moment of Truth) has averaged over 9 million people watching it live; the top ranked show (Fox's American Idol) gets over 18 million live viewers.

We also haven't seen an explanation for why destroying the hub is more than just a temporary inconvenience. Presumably the Cylons can just build another one.

You'd think so, since it is so critical to their continued existence. Thing is, is the entire population of Cylons following Galactica? I got the impression that they weren't since they were repairing the damage done to occupied Caprica. So what, they send the one and only hub with the baseships following Galactica? Wouldn't that leave the ones on Caprica in a vulnerable position--like an industrial accident?? That would seem like poor planning.

Then again, it still isn't clear to me how Cylon society works. I know we've seen the various models but when we've been shown glimpses of a baseship, all they seem to be doing is walking around. I'm assuming some of the various copies are doing something useful?

At one point, the rebel Cylons said the baseship could "heal itself". So, what, no maintenance crews?

I was quite surprised and delighted by this scene and it was easy to accomplish: don't watch the previews and if you do, don't post what you saw in the previews so more watchers can also be surprised and delighted! :)

Just because this particular discussion thread has decided that previews are fair game to discuss (not my opinion), doesn't mean you have to do it. You can choose to be nice to other folks even if the don't know it and won't appreciated it until later! :)True, but people who don't want to know about the previews that air during the episode can even more easily avoid AVS Forum threads which discuss TV series content :). Much easier for you to stay away and us to have our discussions uninhibited. Having seen the preview did not ruin the episode for me even a tiny bit and I have no sympathy for those for whom it did.

That's certainly possible. I don't remember that myself, but that doesn't mean it wasn't there.

So, are you thinking by "blank" like the concept of a stem cell or those pods from the old Invasion of the Body Snatchers?---basically an uncustomized body that then gets "stamped" with the downloaded model, memories and personality?Read my post--I watched the scene over again before posting it, and I'm here to tell you that what Helo saw in the bath was in no way "blank". It was a number Eight, identical to Boomer, Athena and the Eight who was with him who'd access Athena's memory. We have not been shown any "blank" bodies in any episode that I've watched.

Read my post--I watched the scene over again before posting it, and I'm here to tell you that what Helo saw in the bath was in no way "blank". It was a number Eight, identical to Boomer, Athena and the Eight who was with him who'd access Athena's memory. We have not been shown any "blank" bodies in any episode that I've watched.

Fair enough---so they don't start with a blank slate. They pop in, say a #8 "move in ready" body---then download the memories from the destroyed #8.

Then, going back to an earlier point, that would mean there either are spare "Unknown 5" bodies in storage somewhere (in which case at least some Cylons would know the identies of them)----or there aren't---possibly meaning that the Final Five are unique in that they are the only copy of each model.

Fair enough---so they don't start with a blank slate. They pop in, say a #8 "move in ready" body---then download the memories from the destroyed #8.

Then, going back to an earlier point, that would mean there either are spare "Unknown 5" bodies in storage somewhere (in which case at least some Cylons would know the identies of them)----or there aren't---possibly meaning that the Final Five are unique in that they are the only copy of each model.

I don't think the FF resurrect at all. Or we'd have seen copies of them running around. Or maybe all the copies live on Earth.

Unless the final 5 have their resurrection hub on earth... muuaahaahaa

Read my post--I watched the scene over again before posting it, and I'm here to tell you that what Helo saw in the bath was in no way "blank". It was a number Eight, identical to Boomer, Athena and the Eight who was with him who'd access Athena's memory. We have not been shown any "blank" bodies in any episode that I've watched.

By the way, when I used the term "blank", I intended an already-formed body of one of the skinjob production lines that is unanimated - basically, a blank brain, although the body had been formed.

So in this case, yes - I thought it was a #8 in the goobath, but it was "blank" in the sense that it hadn't been uploaded yet.

So in this case, yes - I thought it was a #8 in the goobath, but it was "blank" in the sense that it hadn't been uploaded yet.Then we agree :). I thought that you were talking about non-formed bodies that could take on a final appearance of anyone--I think that petergaryr thought that too. There was something similar in that Schwarzenegger movie The 6th Day.

Then we agree :). I thought that you were talking about non-formed bodies that could take on a final appearance of anyone--I think that petergaryr thought that too. There was something similar in that Schwarzenegger movie The 6th Day.

I was, though more along the lines of the pods in Invasion of the Body Snatchers. That way they wouldn't have to store shelf copies of each model....but, if they do, they do.

So, since the skinjobs are organic somewhere they have an embryo chamber growing each model?. When they were harvesting Starbuck, they were working on a "Model 13"? She didn't start out being a Cylon, but when she blew up in the maelstrom, they replaced her with a Cyclone? Sorry. The temptation to use the names of two storms was just too overwhelming.

"She didn't start out being a Cylon, but when she blew up in the maelstrom, they replaced her with a Cyclone?"

Ha!

im glad the "season" is ending it getting too wierd as its making:

"My mind aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention in a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."

"She didn't start out being a Cylon, but when she blew up in the maelstrom, they replaced her with a Cyclone?"

Ha!

Starbuck is my guess. It would explain so many things.

I vote for Apollo's brother.

im glad the "season" is ending it getting too wierd as its making:

"My mind aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention in a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."

Hybrid? Is that you? :D

Moore recognizes that a HUGE part of his audience found the show through syndication and yes, DVD sets.

I see no problem with his statements. I'd much rather watch the show on a DVD set at my leisure as opposed to a set time each week for a TV broadcast. Wouldn't you?
One viewing or two is enough for me, Its just a TV show, not the Mona Lisa, or a bible.

im glad the "season" is ending it getting too wierd as its making:

"My mind aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention in a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."
Ditto !

Starbuck being a Cylon is just too obvious. I really don't think she is. But they still need to explain her going MIA in that Viper and showing back up after blowing up.

"My mind aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention in a raging torrent, flooded with rivulets of thought cascading into a waterfall of creative alternatives."I wondered where that came from so I googled it. For others who may have wondered, it's quotes from the dialogue of a character in Blazing Saddles, named "Hedley Lamarr", portrayed by Harvey Korman (who died a couple of weeks back).

My understanding is that, especially with graphics work, accelerated production comes at a steep financial cost.

The slogan is "Fast, Good, or Cheap...you can only have two"

But the truth is, some kinds of visual effects and graphics work can't be accelerated, no matter how much money you throw at it. There is just a minimum amount of time it takes to design an animation, get approval from the client, execute it, get notes from the client, and do a few rounds of revisions to make them happy. And at some point, throwing more artists or resources doesn't speed it up any more. Its why you will never see visual effects at the level of detail of Michael Bay's 'Transformers' on a television schedule, no matter how fast computers get.

One viewing or two is enough for me, Its just a TV show, not the Mona Lisa, or a bible.

Wha? Since when is the Bible considered art? And television not considered an art form?

As someone who considers BSG the best show on television...possibly ever (we'll have to see how it ends), I'd consider it art any day of the week. And I'd much rather watch that for 10 hours than stare at a painting. And that's coming from someone who paints...lol.

Wha? Since when is the Bible considered art? And television not considered an art form?.Who's arguing what's art or not? Guess you missed my point, read it again. Its about a desire to be strung along for months, then having to buy a box set to see it all at once. Not for me.

Since you asked the question.
The Bible is many things to diff people, but it is a story book (based on fact) that can be read over and over and interpreted in diff ways. yes it can be considered art IMO.


I'd much rather watch that for 10 hours than stare at a painting. And that's coming from someone who paints...lolHow about some large LCD's and run the show on a loop 24/7, now that would really brighten up a room instead of hanging Mona....:)

Its why you will never see visual effects at the level of detail of Michael Bay's 'Transformers' on a television schedule, no matter how fast computers get.

Thank God for that. Talk about over the top crap, and no story... but that's a different thread. ;)

Who's arguing what's art or not? Guess you missed my point, read it again. Its about a desire to be strung along for months, then having to buy a box set to see it all at once. Not for me.



I dunno... I'm looking forward to watching the Box Set to see it all at once. On Blu-ray of course.

I've seen every episode of this show at least three times. I know... obsessed much? LOL And I can't wait for the opportunity, after the last episode has aired, to go back and watch it all over again from the start.

Thank God for that. Talk about over the top crap, and no story... but that's a different thread. ;)Yeah, but the visual and audio FX were pretty cool. If you'd read the comics and/or watched the animated series as a kid, it was about what you'd expect. Good popcorn fare for fans.

Yeah, but the visual and audio FX were pretty cool. If you'd read the comics and/or watched the animated series as a kid, it was about what you'd expect. Good popcorn fare for fans.

I'm a believer in the FX faith, that the best FX shots are the one's that you don't know are FX shots. Also, George Lucas once said that FX should never be used for FX sakes, and should only be used to support and move along the story. Of course, obviously Ol' George forgot that philosophy somewhere. :D

I like the level and style of FX in BSG. Never too much, and always there when needed. And I have never caught myself thinking, "Wow! That looked fake!" I can't say the same for Transformers.

Yeah, but the visual and audio FX were pretty cool. If you'd read the comics and/or watched the animated series as a kid, it was about what you'd expect. Good popcorn fare for fans.

Agreed...it's popcorn fluff and lot's of fun. It doesn't have to make sense, it just needs to roll forward and look and sound great (good guys have to win of course). :-)

The original poster said nothing about the story of Transformers, just the visual effects...

Starbuck being a Cylon is just too obvious. I really don't think she is. But they still need to explain her going MIA in that Viper and showing back up after blowing up.
And having a vision since she was a child. And the homing beacon going off in her head.

We also haven't seen an explanation for why destroying the hub is more than just a temporary inconvenience. Presumably the Cylons can just build another one.

This was my thought exactly ... why wouldn't they build a new one, and if its so important, why did they only build one in the first place?

I'm a believer in the FX faith, that the best FX shots are the one's that you don't know are FX shots. Also, George Lucas once said that FX should never be used for FX sakes, and should only be used to support and move along the story. Of course, obviously Ol' George forgot that philosophy somewhere. :D

I like the level and style of FX in BSG. Never too much, and always there when needed. And I have never caught myself thinking, "Wow! That looked fake!" I can't say the same for Transformers.

I like the FX level in BSG. Although or maybe because I'm a science/space fan I don't especially get off on the space battle scenes. I think it was smart of the producer(s) not to blow most of your budget on FX when your real strength and value is in the big picture story concepts, an excellent cast and usually well written dialog. Although were I the producer I woulda spent some money & effort on forethought or at least on a continuity assistant.

Who's arguing what's art or not? Guess you missed my point, read it again. Its about a desire to be strung along for months, then having to buy a box set to see it all at once. Not for me.
Since you asked the question.
The Bible is many things to diff people, but it is a story book (based on fact) that can be read over and over and interpreted in diff ways. yes it can be considered art IMO.
How about some large LCD's and run the show on a loop 24/7, now that would really brighten up a room instead of hanging Mona....:)
I did indeed misread the first part...my fault.

Although the Bible is an article of faith, not historical fact (even the "based on" is pretty loose). The fact that it can be interpreted in the first place is the best indicator of that. Nothing wrong with that by the way.

But yeah...I'd much rather have a 60-inch LCD running BSG 24/7 than have the Mona Lisa hanging on my wall. :p I know people say that you can't truly appreciate art unless you see it for yourself, but I'll still say that that painting is the most overrated piece of art ever. Besides, she's ugly as hell.

I like the level and style of FX in BSG. Never too much, and always there when needed. And I have never caught myself thinking, "Wow! That looked fake!" I can't say the same for Transformers.

I think the only times I've thought that the CGI looked a little wonky in BSG are a couple times with the centurions. And that was back in the first season. It feels like they really stepped it up since then. This last episode especially, when Baltar was talking to that toaster in the hall.

I also wanted to know why they couldn't just build a new hub. In my head, I can say that they probably don't have the materials. Maybe they were extremely rare and they could only build the one at the time. But that's what I came up with. I'd like them to address that in the show, though I don't think they would.

I also wanted to know why they couldn't just build a new hub. In my head, I can say that they probably don't have the materials. Maybe they were extremely rare and they could only build the one at the time. But that's what I came up with. I'd like them to address that in the show, though I don't think they would.

My thinking is that the Cylons were busy building the Hub during the 40 year truce period and once they were finished, they could mount an attack.

Without the hub, they (the skinjobs) would be limited to staying at the Cylon Homeworld. Not very effective for mounting an attack.

My thinking is that the Cylons were busy building the Hub during the 40 year truce period and once they were finished, they could mount an attack.

Without the hub, they (the skinjobs) would be limited to staying at the Cylon Homeworld. Not very effective for mounting an attack.

I'm thinking they were over confident, they never figured those pesky humans would come back after a beat down, and kick them in the nuts.

The question is who really built the first skin jobs, they probably built the hub.

digitalbits says the final ten episodes will debut in early 2009.

dont know if everyone knew it would be early....if so nevermind.

digitalbits says the final ten episodes will debut in early 2009.

dont know if everyone knew it would be early....if so nevermind.Care to give a link to where digitalbits said this (and who their source for the information might be)? I've been trying to find it, but digitalbits.com is an amazingly poorly designed website, whose color scheme is actually painful to look at and which apparently has no site search function.

My thinking is that the Cylons were busy building the Hub during the 40 year truce period and once they were finished, they could mount an attack.
Without the hub, they (the skinjobs) would be limited to staying at the Cylon Homeworld. Not very effective for mounting an attack.

I'm thinking they were over confident, they never figured those pesky humans would come back after a beat down, and kick them in the nuts.
The question is who really built the first skin jobs, they probably built the hub.


I'll take either of those explanations. I was leaning towards the Cylons being arrogant as well, but the question of why they wouldn't just build another one pops up again. But like you said, maybe they don't know how to rebuild the hub because they may not have built it in the first place.

And yeah, I think most of us knew we're looking at an early 2009 date for the back 10, unfortunately. Talk about a momentum killer.

Edit: michael, I tried finding it as well, but like you said, that site is horrible.

Edit 2: It's near the bottom of the page, above 6/9/08. It's just someone mentioning that we'll get the 2nd half next year. Not a really a source...probably just going by all the speculations the rest of us are going by.

Care to give a link to where digitalbits said this (and who their source for the information might be)? I've been trying to find it, but digitalbits.com is an amazingly poorly designed website, whose color scheme is actually painful to look at and which apparently has no site search function.

they mention it right below the dvd pics....they seem to be correct with their previous rumours.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#mytwocents

Yeah, the same guy who started the TV movie news and extra long series finale rumor is now saying January 2009.

I think that's actually a relief, if true.

Good luck getting the tv movies made. That's the same stunt they pulled with Deadwood and almost 3 years later those movies are nowhere near even starting shooting.

Well, Deadwood was cancelled suddenly. It's pretty obvious that SciFi doesn't want to let go of BSG. I think Caprica is a pretty good indication of that.

Good luck getting the tv movies made. That's the same stunt they pulled with Deadwood and almost 3 years later those movies are nowhere near even starting shooting.

That's because for some totally unexplainable reason, the creators of Deadwood and HBO decided their efforts would be better spent on 'John from Cincinnati'. Talk about people smoking crack!

That's because for some totally unexplainable reason, the creators of Deadwood and HBO decided their efforts would be better spent on 'John from Cincinnati'. Talk about people smoking crack!

Somehow I don't think smoking crack had much to do with it. More likely is the mistaken idea amongst HBO executives that they had something better to do with their billion dollars of annual profit than reinvest in the kind of programming that made them that billion dollars. While their personal bank accounts are undoubtedly obscenely healthy as a result of that decision, their network, unfortunately, is not. Not that it matters as their subscription rates seem not to have reflected the disgust many of us here feel about their recent programming decisions, canceling 'Deadwood' with one season still to go being chief among them. They have paid no price for them, therefore they must have been the right decisions. See how that works? ;)

And I say that as one of the 15 people that actually liked JFC and would have preferred to have seen another season, for reasons I have never been able to fully articulate. Kind of like the show itself. :p

And I say that as one of the 15 people that actually liked JFC and would have preferred to have seen another season, for reasons I have never been able to fully articulate. Kind of like the show itself. :p

I'd be one of the other 15 that liked JFC!

Also like Deadwood and Carnival.

Also like Deadwood and Carnival.

Both of which were prematurely, un-mercifully cancelled by HBO. Along with Rome. 3 of the best TV series ever IMO. BTW, can you imagine if BSG had been on HBO? Removing that last little bit of commercial TV restraint? :cool: