Anyone want to buy a toaster? (http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=61221&v=sci-fi_battlestar-galactica_comic-con) :D

Anyone want to buy a toaster? (http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=61221&v=sci-fi_battlestar-galactica_comic-con) :D

The perfect gift for the BSG fan. That's great! I so want one. :D

Anyone want to buy a toaster? (http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/detail.php?p=61221&v=sci-fi_battlestar-galactica_comic-con) :D

That is awesome! I wonder how the toast tastes.:D

Last Supper poster is still available...

*ADDS TO CART*


hmmm...I wonder where I'm going to put another BSG poster...

and LOL

http://www.nbcuniversalstore.com/img/product/resized/00061222-748368_400.jpg?k=a6887d1b&pid=61222&s=catl

That is awesome! I wonder how the toast tastes.:D

Probably a little metallic, plus you'd suddenly have the urge to take a goo bath. :D

Probably a little metallic, plus you'd suddenly have the urge to take a goo bath. :D

I was thinking more likely it tastes like Six. Mmmm! Sorry, couldn't resist.

They announced the Emmy nominations today.

Sorry, Mary McDonnell didn't make the cut.

They announced the Emmy nominations today.

Sorry, Mary McDonnell didn't make the cut.

I'm not even surprised any more that they get snubbed....doesn't matter...the entire cast and crew knows they are the best show on television...

It did receive six nominations, mostly technical. But it was nominated again for Best Writing in a Drama Series. So, that's something.

But yeah, the show deserves so much more.

I think what burns me most is that Bear McCreary never has been nominated for his music. I don't think any show on TV can compare with this one musically. It's criminal that he continues to be ignored.

I think what burns me most is that Bear McCreary never has been nominated for his music. I don't think any show on TV can compare with this one musically. It's criminal that he continues to be ignored.

Agreed. His work is among the most original and evocative of any show on TV. The way he integrated "On the Watchtower" into the BSG plotline was just brilliant. One more example of how far removed the Emmy voters are from the industry they're supposed to be honoring.

I always thought it was Bears BEATS Battlestar Galactica. Not BEETS. Hmm

I always thought it was Bears BEATS Battlestar Galactica. Not BEETS. Hmm

Dwight is a beet farmer ;)

It did receive six nominations, mostly technical. But it was nominated again for Best Writing in a Drama Series. So, that's something.

But yeah, the show deserves so much more.

I think what burns me most is that Bear McCreary never has been nominated for his music. I don't think any show on TV can compare with this one musically. It's criminal that he continues to be ignored.

What are the nominations for music? I'm just curious.

And if The Wire wasn't given a nod in its final year, I'm not holding out much hope for BSG next year. At least Dexter got some nods.

What are the nominations for music? I'm just curious.

And if The Wire wasn't given a nod in its final year, I'm not holding out much hope for BSG next year. At least Dexter got some nods.You can see the full list of nominees here (http://cdn.emmys.tv/awards/2008pte/60thpte_noms.php). The nominees for "Outstanding Music Composition For A Series (original Dramatic Score)" are:Family Guy • Lois Kills Stewie • FOX • Fuzzy Door Productions in association with Fox Television Animation Studios
Ronald Neal Jones, Composer

House • Guardian Angels • FOX • Universal Media Studios in association with Heel and Toe Films, Shore Z Productions and Bad Hat Harry Productions
Jon Ehrlich, Music By
Jason Derlatka, Music By

Little People, Big World • Roloff Road Trip: Grand Canyon • TLC • Gay Rosenthal Productions in association with TLC
Joey Newman, Original Music

Lost • The Constant • ABC • ABC Studios
Michael Giacchino, Music By

Pushing Daisies • Pigeon • ABC • Living Dead Guy Productions, The Jinks/Cohen Company in association with Warner Bros. Television
Jim Dooley, Music By

The Simpsons • Treehouse of Horror XVIII • FOX • Gracie Films in association with 20th Century Fox
Alf Clausen, Music byI probably watched all of those, other than Pushing Daisies but none of the music stands out in my memory. It rarely does (the last time was the use of a cool Elvis Costello cover of the Christina Aguilera hit "Beautiful"--composed by Linda Perry--in an episode of House entitled "Autopsy").

"Outstanding Original Music And Lyrics" may also apply--I'll let you find that in the list for yourself.

^ Link seems to be broken.

^ Link seems to be broken.Sorry--fixed.

Dwight is a beet farmer ;)

I know, but I thought Jim was taunting Dwight, figuring that in Dwights world, NOTHING beats BSG. Guess I was wrong.

What are the nominations for music? I'm just curious.

And if The Wire wasn't given a nod in its final year, I'm not holding out much hope for BSG next year. At least Dexter got some nods.

Nominations for BSG:

Outstanding Cinematography For A One Hour Series
Battlestar Galactica • Razor •

Outstanding Single-camera Picture Editing For A Drama Series
Battlestar Galactica • He That Believeth In Me •

Outstanding Sound Mixing For A Comedy Or Drama Series (one-hour)
Battlestar Galactica • Razor •

Outstanding Special Class - Short-format Live-action Entertainment Programs
Battlestar Galactica - Razor Featurette #4 •

Outstanding Special Visual Effects For A Series
Battlestar Galactica • He That Believeth In Me •

Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series
Battlestar Galactica • Six Of One •

And the wire did get a nod:
Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series
The Wire • 30 • HBO •

Nominations for BSG:

Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series
Battlestar Galactica • Six Of One •

And the wire did get a nod:
Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series
The Wire • 30 • HBO •

Oh, you gotta' be kidding. The two best shows on TV get one "creative" nomination each, and they're competing against each other. :rolleyes:

And neither one will win, probably. :(

People, TV likin' people anyways, should be outraged. :mad:

I think what burns me most is that Bear McCreary never has been nominated for his music. I don't think any show on TV can compare with this one musically. It's criminal that he continues to be ignored.

Amen to that. He has such a unique musical style compared to most shows, and it works SO perfectly in BSG.

It's to the point where sometimes I'll be listening to something and think "that sounds almost like it's from Battlestar".

I don't think any show has ever done that for me before. Maybe Firefly.

And the show wouldn't be half as suspenseful as it is without the music that always plays during those suspenseful scenes.

Oh, you gotta' be kidding. The two best shows on TV get one "creative" nomination each, and they're competing against each other. :rolleyes:

I'm sure the cinematographer, editor, and vfx crew for BSG would be surprised to learn that they aren't "creative".

I'm sure the cinematographer, editor, and vfx crew for BSG would be surprised to learn that they aren't "creative".My thoughts exactly :rolleyes:.

I'm sure the cinematographer, editor, and vfx crew for BSG would be surprised to learn that they aren't "creative".

You know, when I typed that post, I thought I might get a reply or two like that. I guess what I meant to say was "non-technical". BSG has always gotten a few of those. But the "bigger" awards (at least in the public eye), for acting & directing and best show, have always eluded it. Didn't mean to step on vfxproducer's very talented toes. ;)

Besides, I'm always in a foul mood for a couple of days after the Emmy noms come out. Every year my hopes that this show might finally get the recognition it deserves are dashed against the rocks. It's depressing. :(

Besides, I'm always in a foul mood for a couple of days after the Emmy noms come out. Every year my hopes that this show might finally get the recognition it deserves are dashed against the rocks. It's depressing. :(

You simply need to realize that Emmy awards have very little to do with talent.

You simply need to realize that Emmy awards have very little to do with talent.

Oh, I do. That's the part that pisses me off.

Oh, you gotta' be kidding. The two best shows on TV get one "creative" nomination each, and they're competing against each other. :rolleyes:

And neither one will win, probably. :(

People, TV likin' people anyways, should be outraged. :mad:
I agree 100%. One of the best shows on TV, BSG gets only one significant nomination? :rolleyes:

And the wire did get a nod:
Outstanding Writing For A Drama Series
The Wire • 30 • HBO •

I meant a nod for the drama category. I don't know in what reality Boston Legal is a better drama that The Wire or BSG, or Shatner/Spader are better actors than Hogan/Olmos, but it's those kind of nominations that show why the Emmy's are pretty much worthless (along with a deeply flawed nomination process that punishes heavily serialized dramas).

Also, Andromeda Strain and Tin Man were nominated for best mini-series. LMFAO! Those were so awful...

And I really can't believe McCreary was passed up for those noms. I have only looked forward to the soundtrack every year for one show, and that's BSG.

Tinman? I watched that, they must be on crack.

Check out the Television Critics (TCA) picks for the TCA awards in the HOTP thread. BSG still got the shaft, but the rest of the picks are much easier to live with.

All four seasons of Battlestar Galactica are now available for download on the Xbox Live Video Store in widescreen 480p SD and in HD. I've not seen any of the HD transfers, but Microsoft creates hand-tweaked multi-pass 720p24 VC-1 encodings for XBLVS and turns out some fairly impressive stuff--not quite HD videodisc quality, but probably comparable on the run-of-the-mill, not-professionally-calibrated "home-theater" set-ups. (I have seen the 2-minute pre-Razor webisodes in HD--still available for free download in the "Shorts" section of XBLVS--and they look very good indeed).

The downloads, like all XBLVS television, are offered on a purchase basis, $2/episode for SD, $3/episode for HD. (Once purchased, they can be downloaded and played forever on the machine on which they were purchased, or on any machine where the account which purchased them is logged in).

Another option for anyone catching up, or anyone who missed some episodes (who has a broadband-networked 360, of course). Curiously, they don't have either the miniseries or Razor :mad:. I've been meaning to re-watch Razor and I'd rent it if they had it (it's up in letterboxed SD on Amazon Unbox, but only for purchase for $15 :rolleyes:).

There's an LA Times article on Caprica (http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/showtracker/2008/07/tca-caprica-the.html) up, which contains a trailer in a Flash player. Interesting visual look.

Since Caprica hasn't premiered, any look at it is a "spoiler", so don't look at the article or the clip if you're allergic :D.It's interesting that the trailer seems to indicate that early experiments by humans on human-form robots took place, possibly as replacements for people who passed away. BSG would lead us to believe that the "toasters" created their human form models all by themselves.Mods--perhaps it's time for a thread on the series?

EDIT: the clip is also available in a player at the Sci Fi Channel's site, here (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?clip=4&sub=specials). Sci Fi's player is 16:9--upon examination, the LAT version is squished to 4:3 :rolleyes:.

There is a Caprica thread already:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1038699

It could use a name change because I don't think Caprica is going to air in December.

Anyway, the trailer looks intriguing. It looks like they are really going to examine the ethics and morality of creating life. I love the cast - Polly Walker is awesome!

There is a Caprica thread already:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1038699Thanks--I edited my post a little and replicated it there.

Hope this isn't a repost, but it looks like BSG got a nice nod over at Boston.com (whatever that is)

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows?pg=50

Anyone check out Grace Park in "The Cleaner" yet? She looked pretty hot as a surfer chick and VERY hot in the pilot.
http://www.aetv.com/the-cleaner/meet-cast/index.jsp

Anyone check out Grace Park in "The Cleaner" yet? She looked pretty hot as a surfer chick and VERY hot in the pilot.
http://www.aetv.com/the-cleaner/meet-cast/index.jsp

yeah she's pretty good in it...

Wow...Caprica looks good...Looks different than BSG and I think thats good...

Hope this isn't a repost, but it looks like BSG got a nice nod over at Boston.com (whatever that is)

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/gallery/topscifishows?pg=50

boston.com is the web version of the Boston Globe

Fun BSG Parody...

http://blog.wired.com/underwire/2008/08/the-phantom-edi.html

That should have been left lost in the crash.

It wasn't funny the first time around, and, I didn't think it was possible, but it may have gotten worse. O_o

I agree. If you're going to post parody URL's, at least make them good ones or you're just wasting people's time. :rolleyes:

POTENTIAL BAD FRAKKIN NEWS ALERT FOR BSG FANS!!

Don't know if this has been reported here yet.

According to some articles I saw earlier today, on 9/1 Aaron Douglas was at 'dragon.con' (whatever that is) and stated that BSG may not return with Season 4.5 until April 2009 or later. [Umm, wasn't it supposed to be like January '09 or something?] He seems to suggest its Sci-fi's fault (Maybe, as a result of making us wait a year for 4.0, they figure they can pull our chain at their leasure). Its also suggested that it may be skiffy's way to hang onto an audience while they try to transition us by overlapping 4.5 with the start of Caprica.

Sci Fi truly sucks.

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I could care less. The fact that it wasn't going to air until 2009 was the problem--two or three more months isn't going to make it any worse for me.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=59372


12:00 AM, 02-SEPTEMBER-08

Battlestar Rumors Debunked

SCI FI Channel is calling "inaccurate" rumors that the second half of Battlestar Galactica's fourth and final season will be delayed and confirmed again that the original series will return with new episodes in January 2009.

Several Web sites, including io9 and Galactica Sitrep, have posted the rumors, reportedly based on comments made by Battlestar cast member Aaron Douglas at Dragon*Con.a

The reports are erroneous, the channel confirmed to SCI FI Wire. "It is still slated to return January 2009," a spokesman for the channel said.

What? You actually think they'd come out and admit that they have nothing on tap besides 'Eureka' for the next 6 months?? :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=59372

Note the last line in that quote:
"The reports are erroneous, the channel confirmed to SCI FI Wire. "It is still slated to return January 2009," a spokesman for the channel said."

I think the use of that word is key in understanding their intentions. It's code. What are the characteristics of slate? It's hard, cold, brittle, and prone to shattering like the hopes and dreams of fans eager to see more 'Galactica' sooner rather than later. Yep. They're going to delay it 'till spring. You know they will.

Who knows, maybe they've got more 'Flash Gordon' in the works to tide us over. The audience for those two shows overlaps so much, ya' know.

Note the last line in that quote:
"The reports are erroneous, the channel confirmed to SCI FI Wire. "It is still slated to return January 2009," a spokesman for the channel said."

I think the use of that word is key in understanding their intentions. It's code. What are the characteristics of slate? It's hard, cold, brittle, and prone to shattering like the hopes and dreams of fans eager to see more 'Galactica' sooner rather than later. Yep. They're going to delay it 'till spring. You know they will.

Who knows, maybe they've got more 'Flash Gordon' in the works to tide us over. The audience for those two shows overlaps so much, ya' know.

Yup. Initially I thought Douglas might just be trying to drum up a little interest in himself, particularly in light of his co-stars landing in other positions. But the 'slated' qualifier is almost an admission. Guess they realized that nobody is going to buy "We fully expect..." any longer, especially from skiffy. ;)

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I was at Dragon*Con, which is a wonderful fan-run convention held in Atlanta every year. Aaron Douglas did indeed say that as well as some other unflattering things about the SciFi Channel. He said, "SciFi couldn't market water to a thirsty man in the desert," for example. :)

I'm glad to see Skiffy debunk the rumors, but it's worth noting that the first rumors of a split Season 4 originated at Dragon*Con last year.

I was at Dragon*Con, which is a wonderful fan-run convention held in Atlanta every year. Aaron Douglas did indeed say that as well as some other unflattering things about the SciFi Channel. He said, "SciFi couldn't market water to a thirsty man in the desert," for example. :)

I'm glad to see Skiffy debunk the rumors, but it's worth noting that the first rumors of a split Season 4 originated at Dragon*Con last year.

No, actually it seems to be the other way around. It would appear more likely that skiffy is denying previously disseminated Sci Fi misinformation that has now been debunked by Douglas. I'll give the benefit of a doubt to a final five over an unidentified network flack any day of the week.

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BTW ... They've started repeating season 4.0 on Universal-HD. ... In case you missed it in HD the first time around.

Challenged........when is it being shown?

.....and just learned how to use the search feature of my dish 722. :)

Battlestar Galactica starts this Saturday night at 7:00pm central time.

Challenged........when is it being shown?

.....and just learned how to use the search feature of my dish 722. :)

Battlestar Galactica starts this Saturday night at 7:00pm central time.

Sounds right ... I would have posted the time, but I wasn't exactly sure what day it was on when I originally posted ... DVR effect. There should be a second showing around 11pm or 12am depending on your time zone.

Actually it started last Saturday on UHD... ;)

Actually it started last Saturday on UHD... ;)

Correct ... I ran across it by accident while taking a break from the All-US-Open-All-time coverage on USA. :)

And the BSG Alums just keep coming out of the woodwork.

Last night, Kandyse McClure showed up on Sanctuary, and today it was announced that Jaime Bamber landed a starring role on Law & Order: UK

Has Kaytee or Olmos landed anything yet?

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Last night, Kandyse McClure showed up on Sanctuary, and today it was announced that Jaime Bamber landed a starring role on Law & Order: UK

Has Kaytee or Olmos landed anything yet?



What... they're exporting 'Law & Order' now?? :eek: Well, at least Jaime can use his own accent this time. He's got to be getting pretty tired of speaking Yank. I saw Kandyse ("Dee" on BSG) on 'Sanctuary'. Poor gal just can't get away from playing the jilted lover, can she?

Katee was boffo in the short-lived 'Bionic Woman' (most said she was the best thing about the show; me, I voted for Michelle Ryan's impressive superstructure, and I love Katee. :p), so I tend to think she'll land a high-profile role sooner or later. Ditto Olmos.

And the BSG Alums just keep coming out of the woodwork.

Last night, Kandyse McClure showed up on Sanctuary, and today it was announced that Jaime Bamber landed a starring role on Law & Order: UK

Has Kaytee or Olmos landed anything yet?

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Starbuck will be on FX's Nip/Tuck. I think it returns in January as well.

What... they're exporting 'Law & Order' now?? :eek:

Probably ran out of U.S. cities by now, so they didn't have much choice ;)

Either that or they're testing the Brits boredom threshold :D

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Starbuck will be on FX's Nip/Tuck. I think it returns in January as well.Unfortunately, IIRC, that's basicallly an 'arc' job, not a regular spot.And we all know how wonderfully an 'arc' spot worked for Trish's career on Burn Notice :rolleyes:

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Didn't I read somewhere that Sackhoff got a lead role on some new show on NBC?

**google news searches**

Here we go: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/rose-mcgowan-re.html

Looks like she won't even be on Nip/Tuck anymore.

Didn't I read somewhere that Sackhoff got a lead role on some new show on NBC?

**google news searches**

Here we go: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2008/09/rose-mcgowan-re.html

Looks like she won't even be on Nip/Tuck anymore.
Why do i get a bad feeling that this is intended as last-minute counter-programming for In Plain Sight? :rolleyes:

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Mary McDonnell will be in a few episodes of Grey's Anatomy later this season. I've never watched that, but good for her!

Why do i get a bad feeling that this is intended as last-minute counter-programming for In Plain Sight?:confused: I thought NBC Universal and USA were all sort of in the same pot? :confused:

Or did you mean a companion alternate-season show so there would be continuous fresh programming of a brusque rebellious slightly scattered but sometimes brilliant and somehow still entrusted in a position of authority hot-blond cop show?

v/r,
C-F

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

TV Notes
'Battlestar:' Let the countdown begin
By Joanna Weiss, Boston Globe - October 16, 2008

It's officially official: "Battlestar Galactica" returns to SciFi for its final 10 episodes on January 16. The series finale will be March 10. I'm marking my calendar. And thinking that I'd take the women of "BSG" over the women of "Mad Men" any day.

http://www.boston.com/ae/tv/blog/2008/10/its_officially.html

The series finale will be March 10.Awww--it ends on my birthday. I'll have to interrupt any festivities to watch :).

Is the official end date? They said the finale was 3 parts, and there are 11 episodes total, so I'm wondering if they'd separate them, or just run them all one night.

From that date, it seems like it's all 1 night.

Actually, that date is a Tuesday. O_o

Awww--it ends on my birthday. I'll have to interrupt any festivities to watch :).

You kidding? Build the frakkin' party around it! Everybody has to come in costume. Hopefully, you'll get a lot of Six's in attendance. :D

Is the official end date? They said the finale was 3 parts, and there are 11 episodes total, so I'm wondering if they'd separate them, or just run them all one night.

From that date, it seems like it's all 1 night.

Actually, that date is a Tuesday. O_oYou're right--maybe the finale starts on the previous Friday and is stretched out over a few days. Maybe they just got the date wrong :).

So Close...yet so far away :o

Stupid question, but whatever happened to "Head Six" (and "Head Baltar" as well)? Does Gaius not need to see them anymore? Will they be back? Was any explanation given to what they actually were?

Stupid question, but whatever happened to "Head Six" (and "Head Baltar" as well)? Does Gaius not need to see them anymore? Will they be back? Was any explanation given to what they actually were?

He still sees them. They haven't explained what they are just yet.

He still sees them. They haven't explained what they are just yet.

I kind of hope that they never explain them. At this point, no explanation would truly be satisfactory. Some things should probably be left a mystery, like Starbuck's "resurrection."

Now, if they go provide possible background and/or clues in the upcoming Caprica prequel, that would probably be good. It would leave the viewer to come to their own conclusion based on new background information.

Oh, they'd sure as hell better explain Starbuck's ressurection to my satisfaction, or I will never watch this program again or recommend it to anyone, nor will I waste my time on Caprica. I almost stopped watching when it happened, particularly after mysteriously-ressurrected-and-returned-in-a-brand-new-Viper-with-no-memory-of-where-she'd-been-for-a-period-of-months-or-having-been-gone-more-than-a-day-Starbuck was given command of a mission over a group of the most valuable officers on Galactica in an intensely dangerous, unnecessary and unbelievable move by Adama.

Oh, they'd sure as hell better explain Starbuck's ressurection to my satisfaction, or I will never watch this program again or recommend it to anyone, nor will I waste my time on Caprica. I almost stopped watching when it happened, particularly after mysteriously-ressurrected-and-returned-in-a-brand-new-Viper-with-no-memory-of-where-she'd-been-for-a-period-of-months-or-having-been-gone-more-than-a-day-Starbuck was given command of a mission over a group of the most valuable officers on Galactica in an intensely dangerous, unnecessary and unbelievable move by Adama.

Yeah. I want them to explain Starbuck's resurrection as well, although I do agree that they can leave the head-characters a bit mysterious. Angels? Hallucinations? I don't think it's that pertinent to the story what they are (although that could change).

As for Starbuck's mission...what else was Adama supposed to do? Like he said, he had to take the risk because of what was at stake. Granted, he didn't have to put Starbuck in charge, but if he didn't, that could have caused even more problems. And the only important people on that ship were Gaeta (who they needed for navigational skills), Helo (Who I think volunteered), and Sharon (I'm not sure why she was there...because Helo was?). No one else really mattered...and Adama didn't know what Anders was.

Oh, they'd sure as hell better explain Starbuck's ressurection to my satisfaction, or I will never watch this program again or recommend it to anyone, nor will I waste my time on Caprica.

Oh yeah, even as we speak, I'm sure that Ron & David must be sweating bullets that they'll be deprived of the oppurtunity to let you watch their show. Hell, if you concentrate, you can even smell their flop sweat from here. :rolleyes:

So far, they've done a better job at this genre than anyone else has for years. So I'm willing to at least give them the benefit of the doubt initially, before I start threatening some wild-ass crucifixion.

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Oh yeah, even as we speak, I'm sure that Ron & David must be sweating bullets that they'll be deprived of the oppurtunity to let you watch their show. Hell, if you concentrate, you can even smell their flop sweat from here. :rolleyes:If it doesn't matter to them, I could care less, but if they use deus ex machina BS for a major plot point then they've jumped the shark, by definition, and I will be pissed off that I spent any time watching it.

Here's a sort of preview of Season 4.5 interspersed with an interview with Nicki Clyne (Cally). Someone recorded this with a camera pointing at their TV, so it's not perfect, but it's the first decent glimpse of the last episodes. Looks great!

And yeah, it's stuff we haven't seen yet, so there be spoilers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYRNL_u_KIg&e

Hoo boy does that look good!

The comments by Nicki Clyne were a little jarring because she was smiling! Hardly recognized her. :)

I've never seen an episode of this show, am I missing something here?

Season 4 is the last of the show?

Wow! "If I'm a Cylon you're screwed" Isn't that what happens every time, if he gets her in the sack then he's the fifth Cylon for sure.

I've never seen an episode of this show, am I missing something here?

Season 4 is the last of the show?

Yes and yes!

They had a mini-preview during SGA this week...and they mentioned a big preview during some marathon on Thanksgiving...

with Lost and BSG coming back, TV is about to get good (notice I left 24 out that ;))

Well, Redemption's been getting good reviews, so here's to hoping 24 left all the suck in season 6?

I always like angry/scary Roslin.

I've never seen an episode of this show, am I missing something here?

Season 4 is the last of the show?

Rent the miniseries. Make sure you have about a week for the ensuing BSG marathon you'll no doubt embark on. ;)

Wow! "If I'm a Cylon you're screwed" Isn't that what happens every time, if he gets her in the sack then he's the fifth Cylon for sure.

Just in case there's any confusion, Adama's quote above was from Season 1. There are some scenes from earlier seasons mixed into all that. I'm looking forward to seeing the promo from SciFi on Thanksgiving, hopefully it will all be Season 4.5 stuff.

Nice to see lots of guns and screaming. LOL


ETA: Here's a version someone edited together without the Clyne interview. It's a little easier to follow and is better quality.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yhjILFm6N4s&e

I've never seen an episode of this show, am I missing something here?

Season 4 is the last of the show?

Watch the miniseries and the first episode ("33") and you'll be hooked. It's just a great great show. One of the best ever.

Rent the miniseries. Make sure you have about a week for the ensuing BSG marathon you'll no doubt embark on. ;)

And if he then sees the first episode of the new series, "33" which I still consider to be one of the best BSG eps ever, he's gone. Toast(er), as it were. Better block out some time for those DVD's, buddy; you're going to need it. :p

I never watched the series until right before it was announced Season 4 was the final and the accolades showed up everywhere. I saw the miniseries when it premiered was so so about it.

I rewatched the mini and still felt the same. Then I watched "33" as mentioned above, it is the first show of the series and was hooked. I watched seasons 1, 2, and 3 in two weeks!

My wife laughed at my habit until she watched a full episode and then I had to view it all over again with her and one of my kids :D


Now they are starting "Firefly"

For those just getting into Battlestar Galactica with HD DVD players...look around, Season 1 is available cheap and it rocks ;)

For those just getting into Battlestar Galactica with HD DVD players...look around, Season 1 is available cheap and it rocks ;)

Fry's had the season 1 HD-DVD for $20. As much as I love BSG, I'll just wait for the Blu release...whenever that is. :rolleyes:

Although chances are they won't even release S1 first on Blu. It'll be season 3 or 4.0 or something. I mean, this is NBCU we're talking about after all. The same people who released season 3 just before season 4 started. The same people who are going to release 4.0 just before 4.5 starts, and at the same time releasing 4.0 after the holiday shopping season. They're absolute morons.

But getting back to BSG, I wasn't really a huge fan of 33. I liked it, and it is good, but there have been much better episodes for my money. But I also thought the mini was fantastic, so go figure. O_o

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm getting really annoyed with the rather useless 15 second (at least it seems that way) spots for BSG on Skiffy.

And I'm saying this as somebody who generally is not a real huge fan of spoilers, preview spoilers, and the like generally. But come on. These mini-spots have very little value, and one must wonder if they serve any purpose other than assuring Ron D. that he'll have an audience (as if that was in doubt) when the time comes. Apollo and Adama disagreeing vaguely with Zarek over their next move? Well, that's certainly the 'kind of moment' that no one would be expecting. :rolleyes: Starbuck sniffing like a bloodhound through some brush, with Lew Ashby trailing her (good to see that Callum survived his Californication overdose); and the closest thing to anything of consequence (although it was already a given) the crew (and cylons?) back on board Galactica or some other ship (what else were they going to do?).

Now I'm sure Ron wants to keep things fresh, but if this is all he is even willing to attempt to entice us with for the finale season, then I'm getting just a wee-bit concerned, despite the fact that he in most people's opinion he generally walks on water, and deservedly so.

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I believe the teasers being shown are all Scifi's doing and it is out of RDM's hands...

I believe the teasers being shown are all Scifi's doing and it is out of RDM's hands...

Ahh thanks, now it all makes sense. Figures Skiffy would rather use one of their own interns, then solicit the assistance of the genius who helped to save their network. :eek: :(

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Didn't he once say that at least one of the teasers contained details that he wasn't happy had been revealed?

The networks pretty much do what they want with a series once they've bought it. Firefly was shown completely out of sequence with the order Whedon had intended.

I agree; those spots have been lame-o. If it were me, I would have worked up some spots trumpeting the history of the show, the awards its won (they never did pimp that Peabody like they should have; can't buy that kind of pub - morons), and the fact that these are the last 10 episodes, finishing up the saga, etc. Then intersperse some kick-ass action sequences, get folks fired up. Showing a clip in the middle of an Emmy-reel scene between Adama and Tigh ain't going to do it. They're dropping the ball on this, unless they've got better ads waiting on deck. If so, time to put 'em in the game, coach. What is with Sci-Fi's marketing department? Did they...like...go to college or anything? Do they actually watch the shows?

I agree; those spots have been lame-o. If it were me, I would have worked up some spots trumpeting the history of the show, the awards its won (they never did pimp that Peabody like they should have; can't buy that kind of pub - morons), and the fact that these are the last 10 episodes, finishing up the saga, etc. Then intersperse some kick-ass action sequences, get folks fired up. Showing a clip in the middle of an Emmy-reel scene between Adama and Tigh ain't going to do it. They're dropping the ball on this, unless they've got better ads waiting on deck. If so, time to put 'em in the game, coach. What is with Sci-Fi's marketing department? Did they...like...go to college or anything? Do they actually watch the shows?

This is NBC/Universal we're talking, is there even anyone left working there? :p:D

This is NBC/Universal we're talking, is there even anyone left working there? :p:D
Well, if we believe the press releases, probably Bryan Fuller ;) :D. Tim Kring, mmmm, not so likely.

Hey, a BSG/Pushing Daisies crossover could be a real interesting experiment! :)


I can't agree with that Firefly analogy as being relevant here in terms of heavy-handed treatment by a network. If not for RDM and BSG, (and to be fair, Stargate,) Skiffy would still be a national joke known for their half-assed B movies. With Caprica coming on board, you'd think they'd like to keep the man behind the legacy in good stead, no?

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I can't agree with that Firefly analogy as being relevant here in terms of heavy-handed treatment by a network. If not for RDM and BSG, (and to be fair, Stargate,) Skiffy would still be a national joke known for their half-assed B movies. With Caprica coming on board, you'd think they'd like to keep the man behind the legacy in good stead, no?I doubt that SciFi has as much esteem for BSG as we do (and I've read that Caprica isn't coming until 2010 (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=62495)). I don't know what they have on the horizon which will hold the network up until then, particularly with the last embers of the Stargate dynasty burning out. Remember, this is the network which aired 21 episodes of the horrible Flash Gordon :rolleyes:.

"Eureka's" not bad, but it's basically popcorn, family, no-thinking required sort of fare.

This channel needs another "event" sort of show, did I read that the creator of Babylon 5 was coming back to TV?

Flash Gordon :eek: No reason to watch the SCIFI channel, except Monday nights for lost in HD, cant wait till BSG returns.

I wont exchange my Broken DVR till the show comes back, because I will loose my HD recordings.

Are these ever coming out in Blue ray, I can get season one for $15 but its HDDVD and I'm not buying anymore of those.

Regarding the previews ... they're not much, I agree. But I'm glad there aren't any obvious major spoilers in them. I'd rather have no preview at all than ones that give away too much.

I remember hearing that RDM was going to have final approval on promos after one of the Season 4.0 promos gave away too much. Maybe that's why they aren't really giving us much.

At this point, it's doubtful they could get new people to watch the show, no matter what they did with the promos. In fact, it would be a disservice to both the new viewer and the show for someone to start watching it now. They're only there to remind us faithful that the show is coming back.

At this point, it's doubtful they could get new people to watch the show, no matter what they did with the promos. In fact, it would be a disservice to both the new viewer and the show for someone to start watching it now. They're only there to remind us faithful that the show is coming back.

That was essentially what Moore said last year when he noted that there was no longer any pressure to "grow the audience" at this point. He said they've got the fans they've got (we - the proud, the brave, the few... :cool: ), and this last season was for them. And, you know what? I'm okay with that. :) It's our show; we know what it is, and we appreciate it for what it is. People who bailed wanted it to be something else; their loss. Many others who would have dug it had they given it a chance, never did because the "sci-fi" label scared them off. Your loss too, suckers. ;) Who knows how long it will be before we see anything else like it again? I'm looking forward to 'Caprica', darn sure it will be darn good, but the canvas is so much smaller.

Anybody watch the Webispode...much better than the New Caprica ones...I'm impressed

Yes, I'm enjoying the webisodes a lot. They are better than Resistance for sure. It's frustrating getting story doled out to you in tiny chunks, but the story is compelling and the first webisode with the flashbacks got me wondering how the heck this is going to turn out.

What the...? Webisodes? We've got new BSG webisodes??! :eek: Good grief; thank the Gods! Hadn't even heard about 'em this time; they're going to revoke my geek card. I'm there as fast as my trusty mouse will take me.... :p

They are better than the NC ones, but they're also a bit more spoilery as well.

We kind of know the outcome of the planet, and of one key character.

They are better than the NC ones, but they're also a bit more spoilery as well.

We kind of know the outcome of the planet, and of one key character.
How many are there? I only saw 3, and didn't really see anything about the planet. Minor revelation about one key character, and of another key character, a major event, life changing you could say. :p

How many are there? I only saw 3, and didn't really see anything about the planet. Minor revelation about one key character, and of another key character, a major event, life changing you could say. :p

I've only seen 3 as well.

As for the planet, now we kinda know that they do get off "Earth" fairly soon, and are apparently being chased again. I'm guessing the Cavil cylons show up. And we also see that Tigh's been forgiven.

I wouldn't say that life-changing event was a spoiler. I think a lot of us thought that was true for a while. :p

I've only seen 3 as well.

As for the planet, now we kinda know that they do get off "Earth" fairly soon, and are apparently being chased again. I'm guessing the Cavil cylons show up. And we also see that Tigh's been forgiven.

I wouldn't say that life-changing event was a spoiler. I think a lot of us thought that was true for a while. :p

Good points. I was talking about what happens to "Athena".

Good points. I was talking about what happens to "Athena".

I thought they were just two random 8's?

I just watched the webisodes--nice little taste which has whetted my appetite for more. I wasn't impressed with the Resistance series of webisodes, but I thought that the ones with young Adama and the cylon lab were pretty cool (they're also available in HD for free in the Xbox Live Video Store--I think that it was part of a promotion for some product).

I thought they were just two random 8's?

No, in fact those are two very specific 8's. Watch the enhanced versions with the director/writer's voice-over, some interesting comments about Grace Park's acting ability.

So who's bidding on what at the auction?

I'm holding back in case they end up putting Grace on the block. ;)


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For some ODD REASON, this comment from Palladin about the auction was the very first one from this thread to post to my email in AGES... I hadn't really thought much about it during MUCH of the "off-time," but with the final season premiere date almost here, I guess I SHOULD HAVE been wondering... I read ONLY this page of postings, but I'm sure I've missed A LOT. At least I discovered there are "Webisodes," although I'm sure I've seen the commercials on the Sci-Fi channel and it just didn't catch my attention.

For some strange reason, I really HAVEN'T gotten into watching "Webisodes" yet -- REALLY STRANGE since I've watched A NUMBER of episodes of regular networks shows I missed and didn't have scheduled to record (or the recording failed) on the various networks' websites, and in almost every case they've played full-screen and flawlessly.

As for Sci-Fi, ahem, I've actually enjoyed a few of their shows (even Flash Gordon, lol), but I have to agree that BSG and the Stargate franchise are the real WINNERS. Currently, Amanda Tapping's new vehicle, "Sanctuary," is "OK," but its overwhelming reliance on CGA is too much, and frankly something of a disappointment as I believe they're working on a shoestring budget that shows up with what looks like low-end computer animation compensated by using a lot of DARK scenes and most things having a sort of green tint to them. Some of the stories are fairly compelling, but then they're also often variations on stories we've been watching since the days of the first "Twilight Zone" and "Outer Limits."

I never got into "Babylon 5," but I've since heard so many good things about it that if I get a chance to watch the series in order, I might try. It just "looked stupid" to me at the time -- too many odd-looking costumes and creatures and whatnot; looked a bit overdone, and some of the actors were ones I wasn't used to taking very seriously.

I have digital cable, and my cable service still doesn't offer Sci-Fi in HD, so I don't get to watch any of its shows in HD except the ones that are re-run on Universal HD. On the flipside, I recently "discovered" Graboid, which is an online video hosting service I found an advertising link for at IMDB. The first 4 GB is free. After that there are three membership levels. Since my first month would be over the holidays, when almost everone was in re-runs, I bought the highest level for the first month (which gave me 500 GB of downloads in one month -- I'm past 220 GB already, and just about half-way through, lol). At any rate, you can download high-def movies up to 720P (and most are only about 4.5 GB at that resolution)... DVD quality takes only about 800 MB (I'm not sure HOW they deliver that quality at those sizes, but they DO), and they host pretty recent releases (for the most part, if it's IN THE STORES it's ON GRABOID), and I've actually watched some movies that just hit theaters and one (Taken) that I just saw previews for in the theater the other day -- I guess maybe it was pre-released somewhere else?

At any rate, it's totally legal (I checked it out at CNET.com, too, before I got it), and they also have TV shows, including HDTV -- and INCLUDING episodes of BSG, if you're interested... You can livestream OR download, but most movies and TV shows will play better if downloaded first. Most of the time every single movie I watch with PAUSE ABOUT ONCE during the movie -- usiually with the video stopping while the audio continues -- for a few seconds. Once it starts again, I just move it back to a few seconds before the problem happened, and it always plays through that part correctly the second time.

Sorry to be so long and mostly off-topic, but I thought some of you might want to know about Graboid -- especially since it hosts A LOT of SciFi shows (Lost, Stargate, BSG, etc) and other TV, along with SCADS of movies and whatever else.

As for this final season, I'm really looking forward to it. Guess I'll go see the webisodes, but not TOO SOON before the new season starts, as I don't want TOO MUCH spoilage... Right now, I'm SOOO busy downloading movies from Graboid and watching them -- generally about three a day. Watching George Carlin's last HBO special right now while one downloads (didn't think in advance while I was watching the last one).

With a 10 Mbps cable connection, it takes me just over an hour to download the average 90-minute movie in HD. Then Graboid has to "process it" for a few minutes (the movies come in little chunks it has to reassemble). So after maybe 75-80 minutes, total, I'm ready to watch my movie.

If you're willing to settle for "DVD" quality and have a 10Mbps connection, you're talking an 11-minute download and a few minutes to process... maybe 15, 20 minutes total!

Happy Viewings and Happy New Year!
Jeff

...On the flipside, I recently "discovered" Graboid, which is an online video hosting service I found an advertising link for at IMDB. The first 4 GB is free. After that there are three membership levels. Since my first month would be over the holidays, when almost everone was in re-runs, I bought the highest level for the first month (which gave me 500 GB of downloads in one month -- I'm past 220 GB already, and just about half-way through, lol). At any rate, you can download high-def movies up to 720P (and most are only about 4.5 GB at that resolution)... DVD quality takes only about 800 MB (I'm not sure HOW they deliver that quality at those sizes, but they DO), and they host pretty recent releases (for the most part, if it's IN THE STORES it's ON GRABOID), and I've actually watched some movies that just hit theaters and one (Taken) that I just saw previews for in the theater the other day -- I guess maybe it was pre-released somewhere else?

At any rate, it's totally legal (I checked it out at CNET.com, too, before I got it), and they also have TV shows, including HDTV -- and INCLUDING episodes of BSG, if you're interested... You can livestream OR download, but most movies and TV shows will play better if downloaded first. Most of the time every single movie I watch with PAUSE ABOUT ONCE during the movie -- usiually with the video stopping while the audio continues -- for a few seconds. Once it starts again, I just move it back to a few seconds before the problem happened, and it always plays through that part correctly the second time.

Sorry to be so long and mostly off-topic, but I thought some of you might want to know about Graboid -- especially since it hosts A LOT of SciFi shows (Lost, Stargate, BSG, etc) and other TV, along with SCADS of movies and whatever else.

As for this final season, I'm really looking forward to it. Guess I'll go see the webisodes, but not TOO SOON before the new season starts, as I don't want TOO MUCH spoilage... Right now, I'm SOOO busy downloading movies from Graboid and watching them -- generally about three a day. Watching George Carlin's last HBO special right now while one downloads (didn't think in advance while I was watching the last one).

With a 10 Mbps cable connection, it takes me just over an hour to download the average 90-minute movie in HD. Then Graboid has to "process it" for a few minutes (the movies come in little chunks it has to reassemble). So after maybe 75-80 minutes, total, I'm ready to watch my movie.

If you're willing to settle for "DVD" quality and have a 10Mbps connection, you're talking an 11-minute download and a few minutes to process... maybe 15, 20 minutes total!

Happy Viewings and Happy New Year!
Jeff

Hmmmm....I doubt the service is "legal" if you are watching content from HBO without paying HBO for it.

Too good to be true, and just a matter of time before Hollywood shuts them down and arrests the owner.

Hmmmm....I doubt the service is "legal" if you are watching content from HBO without paying HBO for it.

Too good to be true, and just a matter of time before Hollywood shuts them down and arrests the owner.

It appears to be a fancy bit-torrent/usenet client frontend. The application is probably legal as they don't appear to host any of the content, much of the content obtained via the application is no doubt copyrighted though.

It appears to be a fancy bit-torrent/usenet client frontend. The application is probably legal as they don't appear to host any of the content, much of the content obtained via the application is no doubt copyrighted though.I agree--Graboid itself is just as legal as bittorent and usenet clients. Using it to download public domain stuff is perfectly legal. Using it to download copyrighted material without permission of the IP holder is just as legal as it is to do with any other P2P tool.

Well, we are TWO WEEKS away from the 4.5 premiere!! I'm starting to get pretty excited. Some of the media have already seen the screener. Apparently SciFi cut out a scene to make sure it wouldn't get out ahead of time. Hmmm...

Here are Alan Sepinwall's thoughts:
http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/still_more_pure_evil_i_have_no.html

And Maureen Ryan, who says the episode is a great hour of TV, but mostly talks about how she thinks we should all avoid spoilers for the final episodes:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/battlestar-gala.html

Sounds good!

As for the auction... the estimated prices have me pretty disappointed. There's no way I can afford any of that stuff. But there will be some "lower end" items up on eBay during the weeks of the last 10 episodes. Maybe I can get lucky and grab something there.

Well, we are TWO WEEKS away from the 4.5 premiere!! I'm starting to get pretty excited. Some of the media have already seen the screener. Apparently SciFi cut out a scene to make sure it wouldn't get out ahead of time. Hmmm...

And Maureen Ryan, who says the episode is a great hour of TV, but mostly talks about how she thinks we should all avoid spoilers for the final episodes:
http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/battlestar-gala.html
I located that article and thought it to be more officious than anything else. I mean, when you get down to the nitty-gritty, people who tend to read spoilers are going to do so, and those who don't, probably won't. It's the nature of the beast. It sounds more like she doesn't want anyone to think she's out of the loop (as if anyone could really care).

As for the auction... the estimated prices have me pretty disappointed. There's no way I can afford any of that stuff. But there will be some "lower end" items up on eBay during the weeks of the last 10 episodes. Maybe I can get lucky and grab something there.
Maybe. I find it a little tough to believe that there's going to be much interest in the props for the earlier BSG renditions, except for the fringe groupies. And in these economic times, I'd probably have some difficulty justifying this kind of vanity purchase.

I also think that BSG is misjudging its audience base, by promoting Park's flight suit or Hefler's 'Marilyn dress', when the used undergarments of these beauties would probably fetch a greater bounty. :D ;)


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I located that article and thought it to be more officious than anything else. I mean, when you get down to the nitty-gritty, people who tend to read spoilers are going to do so, and those who don't, probably won't. It's the nature of the beast. It sounds more like she doesn't want anyone to think she's out of the loop (as if anyone could really care).


Maybe. I find it a little tough to believe that there's going to be much interest in the props for the earlier BSG renditions, except for the fringe groupies. And in these economic times, I'd probably have some difficulty justifying this kind of vanity purchase.

I also think that BSG is misjudging its audience base, by promoting Park's flight suit or Hefler's 'Marilyn dress', when the used undergarments of these beauties would probably fetch a greater bounty. :D ;)


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LOL, you're probably right about the underwear. :D

The earlier versions of BSG are not included in this auction. It's strictly "new BSG". I think we may be surprised by how much some of this stuff goes for. But I hope you're right! I'd love to have something like one of those Raptor or Viper models they slide around on the war table thing (what do you call that anyway?).

As for Maureen Ryan, I've read her column for a while now, and she's never come across to me as you describe. She genuinely loves the show and, whether or not you agree with her spoiler stance, she's just making her opinion known - that you'll best enjoy these last episodes if you have some surprises left. I happen to agree with her.

Wow only two weeks away, I though it was going to be around February.

This is great! I need my HD DVR swapped out pronto, too bad I will loose all of last seasons recordings, I think I'll watch everything I recorded last season one last time before Directv takes it away, if theres a way to save this stuff please advise provide a thread.

To bad there's really only one Grace park, can you imagine a sale on millions of Eights? I'll take Two please..

This is great! I need my HD DVR swapped out pronto, too bad I will loose all of last seasons recordings, I think I'll watch everything I recorded last season one last time before Directv takes it away, if theres a way to save this stuff please advise provide a thread.http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=974885&highlight=hauppage

Taken from fredfa's HOTP (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=838060&page=917):


Critic’s Notes
Battlestar Galactica:
Ron Moore talks about the final season
By Alan Sepinwall, Newark Star-Ledger TV critic, Friday, January 02, 2009

Yesterday's "Battlestar Galactica" discussion made me realize that I never found the right opportunity to transcribe and post an interview I did with the show's developer, Ronald D. Moore, back at the last press tour in July. With the final batch of episodes debuting two weeks from tonight (and with the next press tour starting on Wednesday), it's now or never. We start off discussing the upcoming "Caprica" prequel series, and that segues into a discussion of the final season of "Galactica." There are no spoilers, unless you count a segment where Moore says whether or not certain mysteries will be answered.

Talk me through the narrative and thematic style of ("Caprica"). You like to compare "Galactica" to war movies and political films from the '70s. What's something that looks like what "Caprica" is going to be?

It's hard to say. The comparison I used to keep making was "It's a sci-fi version of 'Dallas.' But the deeper we get into it, it's not. It's so different in tone and style to what we did on "Battlestar." If you just watched and didn't know the other program or didn't know what the connective tissue was, it wouldn't feel like they're part of the same family. They're very different stylistically. This is really a character piece and a drama that's very political. It has a lot of religious issues too. There are terrorists and terrorists bombings, religious strife... In "Galactica," we talked about monotheism versus polytheism; in "Caprica," those ideas are just starting to percolate.

Prequels can be very tricky to deal with, especially when one of the characters is from the other show, and a lot of what we know about him has to go a certain way. What made you want to tell a story in the past of this universe?

I knew the series of "Battlestar Galactica" was going to end with a period at the end of the sentence. Because of the way we're ending "Battlestar," I didn't see other stories beyond it that I felt were interesting or had any real relevance to what the show is about. But we had a very rich backstory to deal with. I mean, we could have done another Battlestar, or the first Cylon war, but those would have been repeating things we had done. Remi Aubuchon had come to the studio with an idea to do something unrelated to "Battlestar" about robots and artificial intelligence and the creation of life, and when we started talking together, I got interested in the idea of doing a sci-fi show that was set on a planet, did not have an action adventure component to it, is even more of a character piece than "Battlestar," where it really has to live and die on its characters and its story without the Cylons attacking every week. Could you sustain a science fiction show in that kind of context? That's what got me excited.

To play devil's advocate, the battles in space are some of the tropes the sci-fi fans have gotten accustomed to, at least since the first "Star Wars." Is this something you think they're going to want to watch?

I don't know. Science fiction in general is very heady intellectual stuff. The novels are a broad range of material -- there's some action adventure, and then there's very talky, sophisticated stuff. If you're a fan of the genre in general, I think you'll like this flavor of it... Surprisingly, this could be the one that sparks to a female viewership. There's always been a much higher male demo on "Galactica," because of the action adventure, the hardware component, and we think the character material might bring in more women.

You'll be filling in some gaps in Adama's biography --

Not much more. We play William Adama as a young boy. He's not central to the story in any way. It's really about his father. It's not like Willy -- Willy! -- is going to be saving the day in any way. It doesn't make sense that William Adama, the man of "Battlestar," was there at the moment the Cylons were born

Ever since you did the reveal of the Final Four, people have been really fascinated by the origins of the skinjobs and how they came to be. How much of that's going to be revealed in this final batch of "Galactica"s and how much will have to be in the new show?

It's mostly revealed in "Galactica." I don't think there are many pieces of the puzzle that are set up in "Galactica" that we held out for "Caprica." Most of the questions raised in "Galactica" are answered in "Galactica." We just said, "The Cylons were created by man and turned against their masters." And now we're telling that story.

The "Star Wars" prequels had lots and lots of problems, but one of the big ones was that we knew they were going to a fixed point, where Annakin is going to turn evil, the Republic's going to collapse, etc. How do you tell the story of the creation of the Cylons when we know what's eventually going to happen to them? Will there be a lot of scenes where one guy says, "Are you sure this is such a good idea?" and his buddy insists, "Yeah, what could possibly go wrong?"

I think that's a good tricky point. I think there's some important differences. We're not tracking a given set of characters through this. Willy will be the only person from the other show who even figures into it, and he's a kid. Internally, it's like doing a period piece. If you do a WWII piece, you know the Nazis are going to lose, that the North is going to win the Civil War, but you can still tell good stories about those periods. The fact that you do know where it's all going to end adds a certain layer of dread. Events have a certain import, because Caprica is doomed. The opening line that we show on Caprica, right now is "Caprica, 51 years before the fall." Right from the get-go we're telling you these people are all doomed. In some ways, we're taking the fact that you know where it's all going work for us.

In terms of "Galactica," how long have you known how you were going to end it?

In general terms, over the last year and a half, somewhere in the middle of season three I started asking, 'What's the shape of the ending? What's going to happen at the end of the show and what's going to be the case when they meet up with whoever they meet up with?' As we got into season three, I started thinking of it more seriously, and last summer, almost a year ago, we had a writer's summit up in Lake Tahoe and said, "It's going to end here." But a lot of the pieces didn't fall into place until I was sitting at the computer writing the teleplay that I realized exactly how the cards were going to fall for different characters.

One of the things I find interesting is, on "Lost," Cuse and Lindelof have always claimed they have a master plan and know where it's all going, and fandom has been skeptical at times and said, "Yeah, right." Whereas you've been pretty candid about the fact that you'll throw stuff out there and figure it out later, and yet people assume there's some cohesive plan to "Galactica." How do you pull that off to make it seem like there's a plan?

To me, that's the job. The job is to figure a way along in a story but make it all feel like it's seamless, to make it all make sense. Hopefully, if I've done my job right, when all is said and done and the story's been put to bed and you've got the entire set of DVDs before you and you watch them, that it feels like a cohesive narrative -- that stuff we just threw up and decided to take a flier on without ultimately knowing where it would pay off, when you look at in hindsight, that it all tracks. You're painting this large painting on this big canvas, and you may not know what it's going to look like at the end, but when you're done, you want it to feel like it's a cohesive vision and makes perfect sense.

So, for instance, when you decided who four of the Final Five would be, how much thought did you have to put into it before revealing it in "Crossroads," and how much was, "Oh, we'll say this and figure it out over the hiatus"?

The impulse to do it was literally an impulse. We were in the writers room on the finale of that season, always knew we would end season 3 on trial of Baltar and his acquittal, the writers had worked out a story and a plot, they were pitching it to me in the room. And I had a nagging sense that it wasn't big enough, on the level of jumping ahead a year or shooting Adama. And I literally made it up in the room, I said, "What if four of our characters walk from different parts of the ship, end up in a room and say, 'Oh my God, we're Cylons'? And we leave one for next season." And everyone said "Oh my God," and they were scared, and because they were scared, I knew I was right. And then we sat and spent a couple of hours talking about who those four would be. Surprisingly, it wasn't that hard to lock in who made the most sense and who would make the most story going forward.

One of the things I've thought about since you revealed them is the amazing chain of luck that had to happen for these four to survive everything that's gone down. They survived the genocide, Anders survives his time on Caprica, they all survive being the resistance leadership on New Caprica. Is this a coincidence?

This very topic is wrestled with at the end of the new season. Within the show overall, there's been a constant discussion of, "Is all this a coincidence or is there some meaning to it?" It's a glass half-full or half-empty question. Adama took a hard-line secular view on things a lot of other characters took a miraculous view on, and we the audience have seen a lot of things that can't be explained by rational means. How did these four survive through all of this -- how did all these people survive? -- and ultimately the show does have an answer to it.

Have you been watching endings to other series to glean anything?

I didn't go back and rewatch anything. There are certain endings that were powerful and I remembered. The "M*A*S*H" ending, I remembered. The "Seinfeld" finale was one I remembered a lot. "The Sopranos" ending was recent and shocking and everyone was talking about it, and I was jealous that I hadn't thought of it.

Then people could have hated you instead of David Chase.

Exactly. I would have enjoyed that. He's a genius. Probably the best finale I saw, the one that did inform me, even though I didn't go back and watch it, was the end of "The Larry Sanders Show." It was very satisfying as a fan of the series that the end of the show was also the end of the show-within-the-show. The character was leaving, the characters were aware of the ending being upon them, and there was a lot of heart to it, and it felt right, and they were talking about all the things they should have been. It was really a reward for your dedicated viewership. That spirit is something I definitely approached it with.

Some of your actors said when the strike hit they thought that "Revelations" would be the last one they ever did. And in watching it, there are certain ways where it could be that "Sopranos" kind of ending.

We talked about that at the time. I never really believed that it was going to be the end. No matter how long the strike lasted, there was too much invested for Universal to never go back and finish it, but if it was, I thought that would be an amazing place to finish the series. "Well, we got to Earth, and it sucked!"

Some of the writers who have talked to people since the finale have been very evasive about what Earth is and what happened to it. I'm not going to ask you to give it away, but my first reaction to it, and a lot of people's, was, "Holy (bleep), it's the Brooklyn Bridge." And whether it's supposed to be that or not, given that the show deals so much with 9/11, were you deliberately trying to evoke that shape with that shot?

It wasn't exactly my idea. It was something that the visual effects artists came up with. I dialed it back from being further in that direction. I wanted to evoke that feeling of familiarity, and I wanted to end with a big question mark. I didn't want them to know exactly what they were looking at, but you could pull that out of it.

One of the things I thought was great about the episode was, the whole thing is just the meat of the story -- all the emotional high points and nothing else. But the one cost of that is we had to skip over seeing everybody but Adama -- and I guess Kara -- find out that these are the Cylons. I would have loved, for instance, to see Gaeta find out that the guys who tried to airlock him were Cylons. Is there any way, with the movie or anything else, that you can go back and show that, or has the moment passed?

We haven't talked about that. We did talk about it internally, as we were structuring the last few episodes before the cliffhanger, about who would find out and what the reactions were, and the truth was, there was just no end to it. Everyone would have a reaction, and it would be 30 minues of This guy! And Gaeta's reaction! And Dualla's reaction! So we just skipped over it and said, "They all had a dramatic reaction." It's one of those things that the audience already knows, and you can't top Adama. Adama finding out that Tigh is a Cylon felt like it was the biggest emotional punch, and it became like, "Now let's just move on."

One of the things I've always liked about your storytelling style is that you let a lot of things just be assumed: "Oh, the fans are going to understand this, we don't need the technobabble or whatever. I just want to hit the parts of the story that are interesting to me, even if we don't explain everything."

I like doing it that way. On some level, I write the show for me and what I like, and I flavor everything in that light. "This is how I would like to tell a story." And I just assume that the audience is as smart as me, easily and they've seen a lot of TV and seen a lot of stories, and they can fill in the blanks and make the leaps with me on certain things.

A lot of times in the podcast, you'll say things like, "I know people are interested in this, but that's really not where the story's going." You didn't really deal with the toasters becoming sentient again, that sort of thing. After I watched "Revelations," I thought it was a great ending, but I jotted down a list of things that still had to be dealt with. I'm wondering, without you giving it away, whether these things are going to be addressed or whether these are things that we're thinking a lot more about than you were.
Do you have a list?

Yeah.

Okay.

Obviously, the identity of the final Cylon, we will find this out?

Yeah.

The origin and nature of the Final Four and how they different from the rest of them?

Yes.

The origin of the rest of the skinjobs?

Yes.

What happened to Earth and what happened to the 13th Colony?

Yes.

Who, if anyone, is orchestrating all of this?

Basically, yeah. I don't know if it's going to be wrapped up in a neat bow. The show has an answer for it, whether it's a satisfying answer, I don't know.

Will "All this has happened before and it will happen again" be explained in some way?

Yes.

The opera house?

Yes.

What happened to Kara when she went through the Malestrom?

Pretty much.

Identity and nature of the "head" characters?

Yes.

Tigh and Six's baby, and whether that means Cylons can breed?

Yes. That's not a "yes" to whether they can breed -- the question will be answered.

The fate of Boomer and whether there are other 1's, 4's and 5's floating out there?

Yes.

Roslin's health?

Yes.

Okay, that's a "yes" on all of them.

See? We knew what all the questions were! I'm kind of proud of myself. "Yes"es to all of them. I thought you were going to throw a curve at me, like, "Oh, (bleep)."

No, I just remember in one of the early episodes this season, "Six of One," when Head Six picks Baltar up off the floor, and I'm watching that and going, "Oh my God, she just lifted him up and carried him around," and a few weeks later on the podcast, you say, "I didn't really want it to look that dramatic."

"Yeah, didn't mean to go that far."

You said there's a part of you that wished you had done what David Chase did with "The Sopranos." How do you want, or how do you expect, people to react when we get to the end of this?

I hope it's satisfying. Ultimately, I hope it's satisfying. This one is a closed-end story to an extent, setting aside "Caprica" for the moment. It's a beginning, middle and end, "Battlestar Galactica." This big story, how it all began, the apocalypse of the 12 Colonies, then the journey, and then they get here. This is the end of all these characters that you have come to know and love. I really wanted it to be satisfying and answer questions that the audience has asked for a long time. I wanted them to like the answers, or at least appreciate the answers, that thought was given to them. At the end, you can say goodbye to the characters as you're saying goodbye to the show, and there's not a dry eye in the house.

The Emmy nominations came out last week. Michael Angeli got a writing nomination, which is more than I was expecting, but no Mary McDonnell, no Edward James Olmos, no Michael Hogan or anybody else. What, if anything, is it ever going to take for a sci-fi show, even one with performances as genius as you have, to break out of the ghetto and get people to pay attention?

I'd say it was good news, bad news on the Emmy front. It was really surprising that we broke into Cinematography, that surprised me, that we broke into Editing was huge, and that we got Writing two years in a row. Both those trends feel positive, that we've been accepted by the Academy, the Academy tends to go back to shows that they like, so it feels like we're making inroads there and we're making momentum.

The actor thing is criminal. I'll say that flat out. It is just wrong. God love all the actors and actresses who got nominations, but I refuse to believe that Eddie and Mary did not do work on a par with people who were nominated in those categories. And at this point in the run of the series, they absolutely should have at least one nomination apiece.

And the thing is, the way the nominations process was set up this year, people actually had to sit in a room and watch Mary in "Faith."

I don't know what that's about, I don't know what personal preferences they're indulging. It's just stupid.

I know you've said the title can be a barrier sometimes, but I wonder how much the genre itself is.

I think it is. The title of the show, the title of the network is two strikes against us right there. There's a hard-core group of people who are resistant to this genre. One of things I used to slough it off as was that Sci Fi's reach isn't that big, but AMC? AMC's entire viewership is probably in this hotel. It's very small, their critical acclaim for "Breaking Bad" and "Mad Men" is on par to what we've gotten, and those are tremendous shows. But we're a tremendous show, and the Emmys back up the truck over there and don't do it over here.

And a lot of what you're saying about how "Caprica" is going to be different sounds really interesting, but I wonder if those outsiders who don't want to watch sci-fi, but might be interested in the political themes, are going to come and watch it.

I don't know. That'll be the challenge for marketing the show. You have to go out and convince people, "You may not like sci-fi, but you'll like this one." That's the angle they tried with "Battlestar," but there's still a spaceship going by and people may have turned it on, seen that and gone, "No" and turned it off. People shooting at robots, "No." In "Caprica," if we can at least get you to watch, you'll see people talking, and people in dramatic situations, and not stuff blowing up all the time, and hopefully we can get that slice of the audience.

Other than the toasters getting free will this year, what are some other stories you had to drop that, all things being equal, you wish you could have done something with?

The big one that we had to make a shift on in the first season is we never got out into the civilian fleet and showed those other ships. I always felt like different cultures would be on different ships, and as time went on, would develop into their own little mini-societies depending on their circumstances. Over here, you have one captain and 50 people, and here you have four captains and 500 people, those are very different worlds that they're trapped in. For production reason, we were never able to leave Galactica for any length of time. That's a big open chapter that I never got to write.

Things I would have done differently was the Lee and Dualla romance. It sounded better in theory than the way it worked out, and I would've laid more pipe to get there in the beginning if I had known. As it was, it felt a little too thrown together and punched in too quickly.

"Black Market" dealt with the fleet and I know you didn't like that one, but "Dirty Hands" did a nice job of showing what life would be like if you're stuck on one of the crappy ships.

"Dirty Hands" I thought was nice. It did raise your eyebrows, "Wow, what is happening on all those ships I see floating around all the time?"

The movie, what can you tell me?

Not much. It's being written right now, Jane Espenson is writing it.

Is it set during the life of the series?

Yes.

Can you tell me when?

It's before this current season. It's sort of ala "Razor," we couldn't come back in where the story is right now, so we're going back a little bit.

But season four picks up right after "Crossroads," so is it during season three?

Yeah, it's back a ways.

What is the story you're trying to tell with this, thematically?

It's looking at the earlier history of the show through different eyes, a different perspective.
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It's nice to know they're going to address all of the big questions. Or at least all of the big questions I have.

I haven't read either of the two posts in the HOTP thread, have they been scanned to be sure there's no spoilers?

LOL, you're probably right about the underwear. :D


:eek: Tricia had underwear under there??? :eek::rolleyes: Talk about spoilers...!!

I haven't read either of the two posts in the HOTP thread, have they been scanned to be sure there's no spoilers?
I read the one I posted, and there are no spoilers. At least, nothing I consider a spoiler, and I try to avoid them as well.

Not sure about the other article you're talking about. If it's about 4.5, there are two that I saw...one by Mo Ryan and another by Alan Sepinwall, but both of them are pretty adamant about not spoiling the premiere, so you're safe.

Sepinwall's comment about it just makes me want to see it even more though. :eek:

Thanks, I'm anxious to see the last of these myself, it should be excellent.

Does anybody know the showtimes, for the new season episodes? Same time or different? Fri nights at 8? I don't even remember what the previous ones were at, it's been so long. :eek:

I'm pretty sure it's Friday's at 10pm EST.

Do you guys think they'll totally wrap up the series with a good end or leave it open ended for a sequel? You know, money rules.

Do you guys think they'll totally wrap up the series with a good end or leave it open ended for a sequel? You know, money rules.

Moore has said on many occasions that this will be an end. Period. He doesn't see anything interesting to explore with these characters after the end of the show. That doesn't mean they can't go back and look at stuff that happened during the timeline of the show, like they did with "Razor" and the upcoming movie, "The Plan".

It sounds like the way the finale is constructed there won't be much left to explore.

With Caprica in the works, he doesn't even have to worry about sequels. Of course with the "It all has happened before...." who knows what could happen.

As long as he doesn't end the show with Dirk Benedict waking up in bed, rolling over and telling Banacek about his weird dream I guess all is OK.

^ Funny :)

Which dream? Where he was a woman or where he got left behind on some planet.

The one which afterwards he wakes up riding in B.A.'s speeding van after taking a shot to his lovely 'Face'. "It was a dream, but it was real; you were there, and you....."....."Shut up, fool!"

As long as he doesn't end the show with Dirk Benedict waking up in bed, rolling over and telling Banacek about his weird dream I guess all is OK.


:)

With Caprica in the works, he doesn't even have to worry about sequels. Of course with the "It all has happened before...." who knows what could happen.

As long as he doesn't end the show with Dirk Benedict waking up in bed, rolling over and telling Banacek about his weird dream I guess all is OK.

Or ending with Adama, Roslin, and Lee, sitting in the mess hall while 6, Sharon, and then D'Anna file into the room, intercutting a scene of Starbuck trying to park her Viper, and the suddenly... everything goes to black and the credits start rolling.

I don't know whether someone mentioned this or not but they are showing the first half of season four again on Universal HD. The first episodes were shown last night and the last half are going to be shown this coming Sunday 1/11. I assume they were trying to cram in the first half of the season to prepare everyone for the premiere on Scifi on the 16th.

Yeah, Rutgar.

Ron Moore thought "The Sopranos" finale was SOOOO "IT" and said he wished HE'd thought of that... But since he's quoted as having said that, he's now pretty much obligated to NOT put us viewers through ANY KIND OF SERIES-ENDING HELL like THAT!!!

If he does, I say we all hunt him down and blow him out the airlock! :eek: :D :cool:
Jeff

LOL! Finding an air Lock would be difficult, but we could construct a vacuum chamber to simulate one, I'll bring the vacuum pump, its slow going but guaranteed painful.


Nah! He wouldn't do that to us loyal fans, would he?

LOL! Finding an air Lock would be difficult, but we could construct a vacuum chamber to simulate one, I'll bring the vacuum pump, its slow going but guaranteed painful.

Do your eyes bug out and your features inflate grotesquely like in "Total Recall"? 'Cause that would be, like, totally rad. :eek:


Nah! He wouldn't do that to us loyal fans, would he?

Bite your tongue! We're not talking about a mere mortal here. Moore is up there on that lofty cloud with Whedon, Fuller, Sorkin, Milch, and yes, Chase. But I can understand why he liked the 'Sopranos' ending. You don't want to answer every question, you want to leave 'em thinking about it, about the show, about the journey you've taken them on. You want them to be slightly haunted by it, by some final ambiguity that they can interpret according to their own understanding of the work that had come before. That's a real temptation, and that's the road Chase took. And it was his final flip-off to those who missed all the nuance and subtlety of his show, that watched only for the wackings and other fireworks. Screw 'em; that's not what the show was about. It was a story about this mobster's life up to this point and at this point the story ends. For us. For them, life goes on.

But no, that's not what's in store for us over these last 10 weeks. No my friends, there will be Closure. For He has ordained it thus. Every little report that's leaked out has said the final episodes are frakkin' awesome. But some will be disappointed no matter what happens; that comes with the territory and Moore understands that too. But by this point, he doesn't care. He's going out on his terms, and not many get to say that.

Do your eyes bug out and your features inflate grotesquely like in "Total Recall"?Explode like Yaphet Kotto in Live and Let Die.:eek:

hello all,

http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=870861&eid=874064

Explode like Yaphet Kotto in Live and Let Die.:eek:

Yeah, BUDDY! That was like THE VERY FIRST BOND MOVIE I EVER SAW! (I didn't even know Connery had played Bond until SEVERAL years later, when I started hearing all this controversy, and I STILL think Roger Moore did a GREAT Bond). Anyway, I was like 15, and sitting in the theater, and when Yaphet Kotto got hit with that Shark Dart and that (obvious inflatable dummy -- but still WAY RAD!) thing blew up and exploded all over the place, I like to blew Coke out my NOSE!!!

As for "Total Recall," THAT was the very moment in the movie where they LOST my "willing suspension of disbelief." You DO NOT go through something like that and survive it, much less just "shake it off," lol. Furthermore, when subjected to zero or near-zero atmosphere, if you DID go into that sort of state, there would be BLOOD streaming out through those eyes and stuff, NOT just the bulging. I thought that was a sort of impressive, but TOTALLY unrealistic special effect that pretty much ruined the movie for me. I mean, yeah, I still watched the rest of it (I even got a chuckle out of the part about needing $6 in change for the Coke machine)... And the freaks with three breasts and stuff were interesting, but GEESH, give us a break on stuff like what happened to Arnold and what's her name when they got "de-pressurized!"

And NO, no slow vaccuum-seal for the vaunted Mr. Moore if he REALLY screws the pooch on the finale (not like he would). If we do an "air-lock scene," we do it right... We sneak him into a waste storage compatment on a space shuttle and get him jetisonned while orbiting the planet! :eek::p:cool:
Jeff <-- Thinks his evil plans through :rolleyes:

Yeah, BUDDY! That was like THE VERY FIRST BOND MOVIE I EVER SAW! (I didn't even know Connery had played Bond until SEVERAL years later, when I started hearing all this controversy, and I STILL think Roger Moore did a GREAT Bond).Sliding off-topic.....though Moore is far from being my favorite, L&LD is probably the best Bond film he ever did.

Enough with the promos....I can't take it anymore....

PREMIERE ALREADY!

Enough with the promos....I can't take it anymore....

PREMIERE ALREADY!

Are you watching Face of the Enemy?

Are you watching Face of the Enemy?

I am! Very compelling, twisty, turny, kinda' like a typical 42 minute-long episode of the series just broken up into 10 parts (8 have been officially released so far). If it had been shown during the regular season, it would be classified as a "bottle" episode (usually filmed on one or two standing sets in order to save production costs). But the vfx are typically first-rate and seamlessly integrated, Gaeta and Boomer (or is it Sharon? Athena? And who was it that was...um, better not say any more ;) ) are on top of their games (and we learn more about each character), and the writing is typical Jane Espenson - in other words, first string awesome, the real deal. Can't wait to see the last two... :cool: (fortunately, that won't be a long wait. Ep 9 premieres on the SciFi/BSG website today at noon; the last one on Jan 12th)

What is "Face of the Enemy"??

What is "Face of the Enemy"??
It is the current web episodes that the scifi channel has available... Check them out

It is the current web episodes that the scifi channel has available... Check them out


VZ FIOS has the first 3 up on free on demand section.

Are you watching Face of the Enemy?

Of course......? :D

VZ FIOS has the first 3 up on free on demand section.
that would be nice to see it full screen... HD?

that would be nice to see it full screen... HD?

I need to check. I was not on my HD TV when I ran across them so I didn't look for the HD version of the title.

Guess I need to finally go look, since my latest Graboid download isn't finished processing... I just checked, and nothing with the title "Face of the Enemy" is available via Graboid, except two regular-resolution TV programs -- one episode of "Star Trek" and one episode of "Babylon Five"

Well, off I go...
Jeff

WOW!!! Anyone who hasn't been watching the webisodes needs to go NOW!

I have to say it took me a bit to FIND them... When I tried typing in Sci-Fi.com, THAT didn't get me there, even when I clicked on the link for the Sci-Fi TV channel... I finally came back to this thread, because I KNEW I had seen a link somewhere on it... had to go back to page 114 and Donaldsonjune had posted a link... HOWEVER that link starts with (I think they ALL DO) the Webisodes with the Writer Commentaries by Jane Espenson... I must say that after two Webisodes where you can't hear any dialogue, just Espenson rambling about stuff like how she got three new actors for "Face of the Enemy" by casting rejects from the BSG movie "The Plan," and how that made her feel "So Good" about the movie because even its REJECTS were such good actors, I'd HAD ENOUGH... Took me a little bit after THAT to figure out how to get to the "non-enhanced" Webisodes (meaning WITHOUT her silly commentaries), but I did.

The ONLY drawback is that before EVERY SINGLE WEBISODE you're FORCED to watch another commercial for the new movie, "Underworld: Rise of the Lycans" After even viewing this stupid trailer like 15 FREAKIN' TIMES I was SO IMPRESSED I STILL had to go back to the Sci-Fi website just now and play the stupid thing AGAIN to get the title straight! I'm SO SURE I'll be standing in line on Jan. 23 -- NOT!!! (Yeah, I'll watch it when I can for free -- on HBO or Graboid or something -- that's the ONLY way -- even if I WERE inclined to pay to see it in theaters, FORCING ME to watch the trailer before EVERY WEBISODE pissed me off enough to make me NOT want to watch ANY movie!) By the way, Espenson DID make at least ONE salient comment in the two Webisodes I watched with her comments before I opted out of the "enhanced" versions... She said Grace Park is such a good actress that you can tell WHICH Number 8 she's playing JUST by her facial expressions... I agree, on top of the fact that she's downright GORGEOUS, she's an excellent actress, as well... And since BSG made her face a household ornament, she's more in demand than anything that's come out of Korea since... well, EVER???

No spoilers here, except to say that Episode 9 REALLY leaves ya with a heck of a cliffhanger and DYING to see how Episode 10 ends it up, so I can't wait. I'm really glad I waited THIS LONG, so I wouldn't have been having to piecemeal this thing one week at a time. Got all but the last piece at once, pretty much, except for 9 RUDE LYCAN INTERRUPTIONS, lol.

Interesting--webisode #9 has a new, improved viewer, different from the others. "Fullscreen" actually fills the screen with no stupid "sponsored by 'Underworld...'" banner at the bottom. Also the controls are slightly different, with volume on the left and the fullscreen control on the right.

WOW!!! Anyone who hasn't been watching the webisodes needs to go NOW!

except for 9 RUDE LYCAN INTERRUPTIONS, lol.

Thats why I found alternative methods of viewing the webisodes.
Adblock+ & DVRs FTW.

Unfortunately, cocoon, I don't have those alternatives available at present or TRUST ME, I would NOT have watched that stupid Lycan preview so many times.

Michael, I didn't notice the difference on the fullscreen player on Webisode 9, which is sort of unusual, since I usually pick up on that sort of thing. I believe you, but I was probably just so darned glad to be finished with all 9 of them and SO blown away by how those last two Webisodes played out that I just didn't notice that. I didn't tinker with the volume OR the fullscreen controls once I had it there, except to take it back to smallscreen to go to the next Webisode or exit, anyway, and I did that every time by hitting Control-Escape.

That thing with the Underworld commercials really does sort of AMAZE me, though. Does NOBODY in programming realize how counterproductive that is??? I mean, when I miss an episode of "Chuck" or "CSI" or something on network TV, sure, I have to watch a commercial every 15 minutes or so, but it's usually a DIFFERENT one, and even if it's the SAME ONE it's not so darned IN-YOUR-FACE! I'm SURE that movie must have PAID for the cost of that website, if not the entire Webisode series, BUT I'm guessing it won't see much return on the way it crams those ads down your throat on that website.
Jeff

P.S. I saw BOTH of the previous "Underworld" movies (in reverse order, actually) on HBO or similar, and thought they were pretty decent. I really don't think this one looks to be of the same caliber from the trailer... Like maybe Uwe Boll made it, lol (I'm watching his "Postal" on Graboid download right now -- one of his BETTER movies, I might add.)

I jotted down this a couple of months ago: "the latest wave of webisodes for the series will be broadcast during the network's January 15 presentation of "Pitch Black."

Is this still true? All, or just the last few?

Edit: saw an ad Monday that confirms this. TiVo will help. :-)

jdg

I don't usually bother to watch webisodes for any show, but these were pretty decent. But I still don't know who the 5th Lycan is.

I don't usually bother to watch webisodes for any show, but these were pretty decent. But I still don't know who the 5th Lycan is.

That is extremely annoying isn't it? :D

I don't usually bother to watch webisodes for any show, but these were pretty decent. But I still don't know who the 5th Lycan is.

Why, Lycan Chaney of course. Did you leave before the end of the credits? ;)

BTW, am I the only one that kept channeling '300' during those incessant and irritating Underworld previews.

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

"300"?!?!? :D

Gawd if that wasn't the CHEESIEST excuse for a movie I've EVER SEEN!!! I remember seeing the trailers for that on TV and thinking how FAKE everything looked -- how it was ALL ONE COLOR (in this case -- all a sort of shade of "bronze" except for the red from the blood), and wondering if the actual movie would look any better... And then seeing all these so-called "reviews" in the TV ads (I don't know WHO they paid off to get those "reviews!"). I waited until it came on HBO, watched it ONCE, and had NO desire to watch a second time!

It was ALL some form of "animation," rather than live-action, some cross between CGI and live actors or something, and NONE of it looked realistic. A doctor of mine HAD gone to see it not long after it came out and WARNED me it was like that, but I already had a feeling... He said it was TERRIBLE, and he was RIGHT! "Rise of the Lycans" looks to be EXACTLY like that, except an Underworld movie series version... And it appears to be MISSING Kate Beckinsale, who was one of the FEW real benefits of watching the PREVIOUS "Underworld" movies if you weren't into them for other reasons... My guess is she took ONE LOOK at THIS project and said "NO WAY!"

Anyway, nuffabout dat! I think BSG premieres Jan. 16... I just wore out my fingers using my remote on the cable box to see what's up with the premiere. It appears Sci-Fi is going to run Ron Moore's commentary about the entire series at 8 p.m. (Eastern) next Friday (after running it just about every night next week), and then run both parts 1 & 2 of the Season 7 finale again before running Part 1 of Season 4 at 11:30 p.m., but the Cable Guide has it listed as a REPEAT at that time... HOWEVER (and THIS is where I REALLY wore my wrist and fingers out, going back and forth AGAIN), I can't find ANYWHERE on their schedule where it's supposed to run BEFORE 11:30 p.m. next Friday!

I don't get it -- a SEASON PREMIERE at 11:30 P.M.?!?!? WHAT am I missing??? Is this so the West-Coast folks can watch it in prime-time without having to catch the second run and/or worry about hearing all the spoilers from their East-Coast friends?

I'm "cornfusled." Someone please just supply me with a "Number 8," a "Number 6" and a nice quiet place (with a really nice king-sized bed) to hide for a couple of years. :p

All right! The wait is over! In one week we go to war for the last time.

"300"?!?!? :D

Gawd if that wasn't the CHEESIEST excuse for a movie I've EVER SEEN!!! I remember seeing the trailers for that on TV and thinking how FAKE everything looked -- how it was ALL ONE COLOR (in this case -- all a sort of shade of "bronze" except for the red from the blood), and wondering if the actual movie would look any better... And then seeing all these so-called "reviews" in the TV ads (I don't know WHO they paid off to get those "reviews!"). I waited until it came on HBO, watched it ONCE, and had NO desire to watch a second time!

It was ALL some form of "animation," rather than live-action, some cross between CGI and live actors or something, and NONE of it looked realistic. A doctor of mine HAD gone to see it not long after it came out and WARNED me it was like that, but I already had a feeling... He said it was TERRIBLE, and he was RIGHT!300 was a film realization of Frank Miller's comic, and very painstakingly attempted to capture the style of Miller's work in a live-action film. (You can see some comparisons of scenes from the film to frames from the comic on this (http://sincity.kryspin.net/gallery/300/comics-to-screen-comparison/) page. The film Sin City was exactly the same kind of effort, also based on Miller's work). If you can appreciate that sort of thing, you might appreciate the movie; if not, then not. Personally, I thought that it was an interesting but not great film (I received a copy of it with some HD disc player that I bought). It was worth watching, but there are very few films that I'll watch more than once in four or five years, so only time will tell if I'd watch it again.
I think BSG premieres Jan. 16... I just wore out my fingers using my remote on the cable box to see what's up with the premiere. It appears Sci-Fi is going to run Ron Moore's commentary about the entire series at 8 p.m. (Eastern) next Friday (after running it just about every night next week), and then run both parts 1 & 2 of the Season 7 finale again before running Part 1 of Season 4 at 11:30 p.m., but the Cable Guide has it listed as a REPEAT at that time... HOWEVER (and THIS is where I REALLY wore my wrist and fingers out, going back and forth AGAIN), I can't find ANYWHERE on their schedule where it's supposed to run BEFORE 11:30 p.m. next Friday!I would check another guide. Zap2It.com shows the premiere airing at 10 PM here, which'll be 1:00 AM Saturday on the east coast, so I kinda doubt that they're going to air it simultaneously in all time zones. (There's a 30-minute BSG special at 6:30, followed by the last three episodes of the first half of the season at 7:00, 8:00 and 9:00 PM). 10 PM has been the standard air time for the series in the past.

Does anyone know why none of the SciFi HD programming ever shows up in Dolby 5.1 for me? It's also just basic stereo sound. thanks

Does anyone know why none of the SciFi HD programming ever shows up in Dolby 5.1 for me? It's also just basic stereo sound. thanks

always 5.1...whether they utilize all 6 channels is up to source material

Well I have Uverse and none of the programming of SciFi HD ever shows up in 5.1 but most of my other HD channels do.

It was ALL some form of "animation," rather than live-action, some cross between CGI and live actors or something, and NONE of it looked realistic.

Are you being sarcastic, because the look of the film was the most successful part of the adaptation of the source material. It was a brilliant execution of bringing a graphic novel to life, second only to Sin City. The story itself is pretty shallow, and the acting suffered accordingly. But the visuals were goregeous.

There are east and west feeds of Sci Fi Channel.
http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=16-JAN-2009&feed_req=

Are you being sarcastic, because the look of the film was the most successful part of the adaptation of the source material. It was a brilliant execution of bringing a graphic novel to life, second only to Sin City. The story itself is pretty shallow, and the acting suffered accordingly. But the visuals were goregeous.

I have to agree with you completely...

There are east and west feeds of Sci Fi Channel.
http://www.scifi.com/schedulebot/index.php3?date=16-JAN-2009&feed_req=

As far as I know, there's only one HD feed.

As far as I know, there's only one HD feed.

I believe you are quite correct. There is only a east coast Sci-Fi HD feed on C-Band. That isn't saying that they don't directly feed the DBS systems via fiber and two HD feeds. Those pulling from C-Band will only have one available to them.

I should go see if it is still encrypted. :D

As far as I know, there's only one HD feed.

Your Direct and Dish will provide E & W.

Your Direct and Dish will provide E & W.

I don't know about Dish, but DirecTV only has the one SciFi-HD and it's an east feed. They typically repeat the airing of a show 3 hrs later so it will air at the same "time" in both time zones.

That's how they provide. :)

That's how they provide. :)

I don't know what you mean. There is 1 Sci-Fi-HD feed only.

300 was a film realization of Frank Miller's comic, and very painstakingly attempted to capture the style of Miller's work in a live-action film. (You can see some comparisons of scenes from the film to frames from the comic on this (http://sincity.kryspin.net/gallery/300/comics-to-screen-comparison/) page. The film Sin City was exactly the same kind of effort, also based on Miller's work). If you can appreciate that sort of thing, you might appreciate the movie; if not, then not.

300 is a bit of a novelty in the comic book world, because there have been few good graphic novels done around any sort of ancient history theme. On the other hand, in the film world, ancient warriors have been done to death. And, frankly, have been done much better.

Even within the comic book world, 300 is a bit like a concept album.

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Anyhoo -- BSG is almost upon us!!

Note: the first new episode is set to run from 7:00 PM to 8:04 PM (according to my program guide for Friday, Jan. 16 - this is TWC, San Diego, SciFiHD channel 757).

So add extra run time if your system hasn't already done so!

Note: the first new episode is set to run from 7:00 PM to 8:04 PM (according to my program guide for Friday, Jan. 16 - this is TWC, San Diego, SciFiHD channel 757).

So add extra run time if your system hasn't already done so!

DirecTV Guide data is correct :)

I don't know what you mean. There is 1 Sci-Fi-HD feed only.Having not had Sci Fi HD for very long (and not having had it on my TiVo at all, because it's a switched broadcast on my system :rolleyes:), I hadn't noticed that. So now, people all over the nation will get BSG simultaneously (or at least that subset of folks with Sci Fi HD). I won't have to carefully avoid checking this thread for quite so long after it airs :).

Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I can't get the channel on the television that I prefer to use, but I can record it on the crappy leased cable STB down in the family room (until my cable system finally coughs up the device necessary for TiVo to tune it :rolleyes:).

I love channels like that. I watch a couple of things on TNT's primetime schedule (The Closer, Leverage) and it's always nice that they don't compete for DVR tuner time with the other stuff that I timeshift.

Having not had Sci Fi HD for very long (and not having had it on my TiVo at all, because it's a switched broadcast on my system :rolleyes:), I hadn't noticed that. So now, people all over the nation will get BSG simultaneously (or at least that subset of folks with Sci Fi HD). I won't have to carefully avoid checking this thread for quite so long after it airs :).

Unfortunately, as I mentioned, I can't get the channel on the television that I prefer to use, but I can record it on the crappy leased cable STB down in the family room (until my cable system finally coughs up the device necessary for TiVo to tune it :rolleyes:).

I love channels like that. I watch a couple of things on TNT's primetime schedule (The Closer, Leverage) and it's always nice that they don't compete for DVR tuner time with the other stuff that I timeshift.

For us left coaster's it is great, really saves on those conflicts, and you have something to watch before "real" prime time starts. :)

What did everyone make of the conclusion of the "face of the enemy " webisodes?

Pretty good webisodes I have to say.

For us left coaster's it is great, really saves on those conflicts, and you have something to watch before "real" prime time starts. :)

Don't you mean "...something to record on our DVR's before "real" prime time starts"...? :p

Don't you mean "...something to record on our DVR's before "real" prime time starts"...? :p

Right! You definitely don't want to watch those shows live, far too many intrusive commercials on those nets. :D

What did everyone make of the conclusion of the "face of the enemy " webisodes?

Pretty good webisodes I have to say.

I don't know... I'm left with even more questions... Is this where we will pick up on Friday? Hmmmm...

I don't know... I'm left with even more questions... Is this where we will pick up on Friday? Hmmmm...I'm a little troubled by how they're going to handle this as well. This stuff seems fairly important (unlike the "Resistance" and "Young Adama Finds the Cylon Labs" web series, which were interesting, but peripheral). They can't assume that everyone's watched the webisodes......but Gaeta now has an agenda that everyone who hasn't seen them will find hard to understand.We'll soon see, I guess.

What did everyone make of the conclusion of the "face of the enemy " webisodes?

Pretty good webisodes I have to say.

Great. So why don't you tell us exactly who the Final cylon is? :p


BTW, in the '10 things' special last night, did anyone else notice that David and Ron were not always pronouncing Kara's name the same way. Wonder how long that's been going on? :eek:

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Chance favors the preferred mind

Are you being sarcastic, because the look of the film was the most successful part of the adaptation of the source material. It was a brilliant execution of bringing a graphic novel to life, second only to Sin City. The story itself is pretty shallow, and the acting suffered accordingly. But the visuals were goregeous.

Actually, NO, vfxproducer, I wasn't being sarcastic in my comments about the "animation" in "300," if that's what you want to call it. Now judging from your user name, I assume this might be your profession, and I'm HOPING you weren't one of the folks who WORKED ON "300," because I didn't mean to directly insult anyone here ON the forum -- or for that matter, to insult any of the animators who worked on the film.

I understand that may be a particular "style" of animation and perhaps I just don't "appreciate it." I have to say I REALLY don't appreciate it. I've also seen "Sin City," however, and although I would have preferred it be in full color, rather than mostly black-and-white (again, a preference), I thought the animation in that movie was FAR superior to what I saw in "300." I also thought the actual MOVIE was sort of "wooden."

As for the new "Underworld" movie, I guess I was wrong about that, as I've since seen full-blown commercials for it on the Sci-Fi channel and it OBVIOUSLY DOES have Kate Beckinsale in it... That MIGHT make it better... Still doesn't look like something I'll spend a minimum of $7 to see at matinee.

Now for BSG... Sci-Fi seems to have a rather CONVOLUTED schedule from what all you folks are posting. Since my ONLY OPTION here is what I get via cable (and my stupid cable company has YET to supply Sci-Fi in HD), I'm stuck with what I get on their "basic-cable" Sci-Fi channel Friday night, but Universal HD generally re-runs BSG in fairly short order, so it won't be TOO LONG before I get another chance -- I HOPE.
Jeff

As for the new "Underworld" movie, I guess I was wrong about that, as I've since seen full-blown commercials for it on the Sci-Fi channel and it OBVIOUSLY DOES have Kate Beckinsale in it... That MIGHT make it better... Still doesn't look like something I'll spend a minimum of $7 to see at matinee.

No it doesn't. That's Rhona Mitra.

No it doesn't. That's Rhona Mitra.Mmmm--another equally hot Brit :). Loved her in The Practice and Boston Legal; watched Shooter yesterday (it's been playing on Showtime), in which she appears in a few scenes as an FBI admin assistant.
I understand that may be a particular "style" of animation and perhaps I just don't "appreciate it." I have to say I REALLY don't appreciate it. I've also seen "Sin City," however, and although I would have preferred it be in full color, rather than mostly black-and-white (again, a preference), I thought the animation in that movie was FAR superior to what I saw in "300." I also thought the actual MOVIE was sort of "wooden."Features in which all of the scenes contain photography of actors can not properly be called "animation" (with the possible exception of a few films which insert cartoon characters into live action and vice-versa, like Who Killed Roger Rabbit and Cool World); neither 300 or Sin City are "animated" films. Granted, there was a lot of CGI involved, but the same can be said of most science fiction, including BSG.

What did everyone make of the conclusion of the "face of the enemy " webisodes?

Pretty good webisodes I have to say.

I conclude that Gaeta is "Gay" And the eights aren't as sweet as I thought they were. :eek:

It was pretty interesting seeing him get played... That guy has been through some stuff.

No it doesn't. That's Rhona Mitra.

Well I just can't win for losing, lol... I'm gonna need a bigger mouth if I don't quit putting my foot in it! At any rate, Rhona Mitra is even HOTTER (actually WAY hotter) than Kate Beckinsale, BUT she also seems to end up in a A LOT of sequels and other movies that get really horrendous reviews (she's still VERY easy on the eyes).

I think she's a fairly decent actress, so I'm not sure why she ends up in so many "B" movies (B or LESS), but then some people will take whatever work comes their way. I mean Ben Kingsley DID take his role in "BloodRayne," didn't he? (although I actually like THAT movie -- "BloodRayne II: Deliverance," on the other hand, deserves its horrendous reviews!)

Here's what I wanna see: A Sci-Fi movie that stars ONLY Grace Park, Tricia Helfer, Rhona Mitra, Kristanna Loken, Emannuel Vaugier, etc. (basically ALL the SMOKIN' HOT babes who HAVE starred in Sci-Fi TV and/or Movie during the past few years)... Jewel Staite, Amanda Tapping (even in her 40s, she's STILL HOT!), Summer Glau... Need I go on? I could probably think of at least a dozen more, but you get the idea. You guys (I KNOW you're almost ALL guys, like me, lol, can add your own).

The only question is... WHAT MOVIE WOULD THEY MAKE??? But alas, I THINK I have the answer. They could make the "fake movie" for which there was a trailer in the Tarantino/Rodriguez "Grindhouse" series... "Werewolf Women of the SS" Then again, that trailer showed them making a lot of REALLY UGLY LOOKING WOMEN, so MAYBE NOT, lol.

Yeah, I know, I'm SOOOOO off-topic again, but at least I DID get in Grace and Tricia. :p

Didn't get in my replies the first time... my broadband crashed (of course I could still type in this box, but then I FORGOT to wait until broadband was back to hit "send," so I lost it all, lol).
Just a coupla things... First, I, too, first noticed Rhona Mitra on "The Practice" and then "Boston Legal," and I just about LOST IT! I'm normally a "gentlemen prefer blondes" sort of guy, but she can EASILY change my mind. Second, as I was typing earlier, I was awaiting a replay of the season finale of "Crash" on Starz and caught the last half hour of "Vacancy" again, and I've changed my mind: Kate Beckinsale is JUST AS LOVELY as Rhona Mitra. She can be in my all-female Sci-Fi movie, too!

Third, as for "300" and "Sin City" NOT being "animated films," well, I really have/had no idea. In the case of "Sin City," at least, there were large portions of the film where it looked entirely like "live action" in black-and-white. "300" was another story for me, however. I don't think I saw more than 3 or 4 minutes, total, in the whole movie where an actor or actress didn't look at least partially "animated" to me... like there was some sort of colorization or SOMETHING done to them -- perhaps some sort of filter or something -- I don't know. I'm not really UP on all the technical stuff of movie making, but I DO know that in almost ALL of the closeup face shots the faces -- particularly THE EYES -- just DIDN'T look real... at least not to me. It was enough of a distraction to me to keep me too busy trying to figure out just WHAT they were trying to do with THE PICTURE to pay attention to "the picture," and I don't think that's a good thing.

On the flip side, the TOTAL ANIMATION MOVIE "Final Fantasy: The Spirit Within" did such a superb job with animation that in several scenes I actually wondered if they had sneaked in some live action for a moment, so I KNOW animation can be done "better." For those of you who want to get into the "graphic novel adaptation debate," I have three words for you from 2008 "The Dark Knight." That ONE MOVIE grossed more than $600 million DOMESTICALLY and used little if any "animation" other than maybe some CGI special effects. Now someone's going to say "that's a comic book adaptation, NOT a graphic-novel adaptation," and I'm going to say, WHO CARES, and what's the difference, other than SEVERAL HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS???

Caprica Forever! :p
Jeff

Great. So why don't you tell us exactly who the Final cylon is? :p


BTW, in the '10 things' special last night, did anyone else notice that David and Ron were not always pronouncing Kara's name the same way. Wonder how long that's been going on? :eek:

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Chance favors the preferred mind

It's been going on forever. Moore has pronounced "Kara" that way in every podcast, every interview. It annoys me a tiny bit because he's the only one who does it. Actually, Callum Keith Rennie (Leoben) pronounced it the same way in Season 1's Flesh and Bone, but changed to the more popular pronunciation after that.

Is there any chance at all we might have a change in the spoler policy for Season 4.5 that would discourage discussion of what's seen in the "sneak peek for next week" teasers? I never watch those because not only do they spoil the upcoming episode, they are often dishonest and misleading. On purpose, as far as I can tell, which makes me despise them even more. I was very happy that I didn't watch the one where the unboxed D'Anna tells Roslin, "You're one of them". That was clearly designed to manipulate and mislead the viewer. Looking back through this thread it looks like that one alone generated 3 or 4 pages of abject speculation that turned out to be pointless.

While I enjoy the twists and turns of the ride, I don't like being played. I saw in an earlier page of this thread that Ron Moore has taken over control of what gets shown from the network. While that's good news, I still don't care to see them and won't watch them.

Any chance at all there might be a policy revision for the final 10 episodes?

It's been going on forever. Moore has pronounced "Kara" that way in every podcast, every interview. It annoys me a tiny bit because he's the only one who does it. Actually, Callum Keith Rennie (Leoben) pronounced it the same way in Season 1's Flesh and Bone, but changed to the more popular pronunciation after that.

Hmm. Well, I guess quirky guys can get away with that $h!t. Damn, I really have to get into the habit of checking podcasts and webisodes more often, even though it tends to go against my religion. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Dude, 300, as well as BSG, Beowulf, and Polar Express, are awesome pieces of visual work. And my favorite character of all time, whose particular manner is one to emulate in real life, is Bob Newhart. <smile>

Edit: referring to #6943

I read ya, Paul (chuckle, chuckle). Actually, I DID go to see "Beowulf" in the theater (as well as "Journey to the Center of the Earth" -- both in the NEW, IMPROVED 3D in a theater with DLP HD projectors). The HD in BOTH was ASTOUNDING. I DON'T like still having to wear the glasses, but at least nowadays they're better glasses and will even fit over regular eyeglasses fairly well. And the animation in "Beowulf" (which I contend was "mostly animated") was, to me, FAR superior to what was in "300." Actually, I think the 3D in "Beowulf" was a tad better than in "Journey to the Center of the Earth," too, if only by virtue of the WAY many of the effects of were used -- such as over-the-shoulder... But "Journey" being live-action -- with little OBVIOUS animation -- had certain things going for it, too, although as a MOVIE, it wasn't "all that."
Jeff

FYI - My DVR did not have Episode 11 of Season 4 set to record on Friday! It says "To Be Announced" in that timeslot.

This is on Comcast in Maryland. Be sure to check your DVR for Friday in case you are not in.

Wow at big text!

Ummm....I looked on U-Verse's guide and the 9 pm (CST) premiere it is not pegged as a new show either. May have something to do with the marathon that day. So I just changed my settings to record new and reruns, for now.

Be sure to add about five minutes to the recording time for this Friday's episode. Apparently, the show will run about 3.5 minutes over the usual time. :eek:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/battlestar-galactica-premiere-will-run-3-12-minutes-long.php

..."Beowulf" (which I contend was "mostly animated")...Beowulf was completely animated, like The Spirit Within. Well, maybe not completely--the process did involve capture of actors' motion and facial expression. The appearance of the characters was digitally created by animators. The characters' eyes always seem "dead" to me in those kinds of things.

(This stuff being completely off-topic, I really ought to avoid responding to it. Sorry).

By the way, the original BSG was not cheesy by the standards of the time - it was criticized as being too deivative of the original version of the original Star Wars movie. It was definately state of the art for analog optical special effects for example. It is just that the state of the art was relatively low before digital computing was applied to moviemaking.I'm responding to Gary's post, but here in the appropriate forum....

The original series was full of cheese. Sure, the effects were great, but the kid and the robot dog? C'mon..... I watched because I was a teen and we were the then demographic. And I surely prefer any of the current cast over Dirk Benedict or Lorne Greene (Bonanza in space :p)...ahem*

The newer series on the other hand, is definitely adult-oriented, especially with its content, plot and dialog. But if you think FX is what's driving the current BSG, I think you need to take another look. That claim may float with the Star Trek franchise, but it's the opposite in this case.

Kid and robot dog aside, rather than Bonanza in space it was more of the Cold War in space.

Be sure to add about five minutes to the recording time for this Friday's episode. Apparently, the show will run about 3.5 minutes over the usual time.


for directv its already in the dvr program guide as 10:00-11:04.

Beowulf was completely animated, like The Spirit Within. Well, maybe not completely--the process did involve capture of actors' motion and facial expression. The appearance of the characters was digitally created by animators. The characters' eyes always seem "dead" to me in those kinds of things.

(This stuff being completely off-topic, I really ought to avoid responding to it. Sorry).

My most humble apologies, Mike, for straying so far afield. I DID think about how far off-topic I was getting and also how many consecutive posts I had done it on that last one, and was concerned I was "pushing the envelope." I promise NO MORE off-topic posts on this thread at least until AFTER the final season is over and we've hashed it out.

I just watched the final Webisode of "Face of the Enemy," by the way, and I agree with some other posters that it REALLY leaves one with more answers than questions (saying more would give too much away).

Seventy-seven hours, 23 minutes and counting...
Jeff

I'm responding to Gary's post, but here in the appropriate forum....

The original series was full of cheese. Sure, the effects were great, but the kid and the robot dog? C'mon..... I watched because I was a teen and we were the then demographic. And I surely prefer any of the current cast over Dirk Benedict or Lorne Greene (Bonanza in space :p)...ahem*

The newer series on the other hand, is definitely adult-oriented, especially with its content, plot and dialog. But if you think FX is what's driving the current BSG, I think you need to take another look. That claim may float with the Star Trek franchise, but it's the opposite in this case.

I wouldn't pay much attention to his "evaluation" of BSG. This isn't the first time he's slammed the show, and probably won't be the last. I suspect he objects to it on ideological grounds, with particular offense committed by the New Caprica story arc I'm guessing, because his other arguments don't hold a drop of water. Anyway, he generally doesn't come over here to do it, which is good. What's not good is quoting him here where the members appreciate the show for what it is. It ain't perfect, but it's real thinking man's sci-fi, which is why it's achieved the near universal critical acclaim it has (of course, he dismisses all of them too as elitist ninnies). He just doesn't get it, or more likely, doesn't want to.

Be sure to add about five minutes to the recording time for this Friday's episode. Apparently, the show will run about 3.5 minutes over the usual time. :eek:

http://scifiwire.com/2009/01/battlestar-galactica-premiere-will-run-3-12-minutes-long.php

Luckily for us with Cox everything was correct from the start :)....My Season recording of BSG is set to start again on Friday 10-11:04 EST......All we have thouugh is a Show Title, the description is the same one they used last year.

I just read Gary's comments on the other board, and I thoroughly lol'ed. I do wish he'd post here.

This was especially interesting: But I think they will leave a few plotlines dangling for feature films, and leave most of the characters alive for possible ressurection in a new series.

As someone who claims to know about BSG, he obviously doesn't know that there are no future movies (The Plan being a flashback), the sets have been torn down and most everything's being auctioned off, and that Caprica is a prequel, without any of the same characters.

But that aside, SG-1 is a thinking man's SciFi, and BSG isn't? LMAO! I've seen every episode of SG-1, and it isn't anywhere near the same level of BSG. I mean, not even close. Not the acting, not the visual effects, and certainly not the writing. That's like comparing Prison Break to The Wire.

There's a reason BSG has been called the best show on television by damn near everyone, including Time and National Review (to show the political gamut). It's one thing to not like a show, it's another to have no clue about what constitutes a good show in the first place.

For me, BSG is SciFi for people who aren't necessarily huge fans of SciFi. I think Star Wars is pretty awful (most notably for the acting), and I couldn't care less for Star Trek (watched it as a kid, but was completely forgettable). The puppets in Farscape completely took me out of the show, and so did the dude with the bald head with hair on Babylon 5 (lol'ed whenever he was on screen). The only reason I liked the Gates was because they tied in heavily to various mythos throughout our past, and I'm a sucker for mythology. Actually, I just realized that I'm just not a huge fan of aliens (who speak anyway) in my SciFi. Hitchhikers Guide being the exception to the rule. :p

The final cylon is:

Caution be to all ye DirecTv customers. According to the current schedule, there's going to be some funky 5 min offset in regular show times, and you might want to keep an eye out for it for the 9:00 hr, as opposed to the 10:00 hr.

I didn't read mpalmieri1203's post with a spoiler for "the final cylon" a couple posts back, not knowing whether it's a "real" spoiler or just his speculation. And he may be unaware that these things show up in e-mail alerts to subscribed threads "unhidden". Anyway, even if he does know, it's particularly bad form to put the major remaining plot reveal for the entire series into this thread, spoilerized or not. Most of us here, and I think I speak for nearly everyone, would not want to come within a light year of that information before seeing it unfold on screen. My recommendation: remove that post! Just sayin'...

For me, BSG is SciFi for people who aren't necessarily huge fans of SciFi. I think Star Wars is pretty awful (most notably for the acting), and I couldn't care less for Star Trek (watched it as a kid, but was completely forgettable).

He's a witch! BURN the witch!!! :D

Well I just can't win for losing, lol... I'm gonna need a bigger mouth if I don't quit putting my foot in it! At any rate, Rhona Mitra is even HOTTER (actually WAY hotter) than Kate Beckinsale,...


NOT. Underworld is dead without Kate.

I didn't read mpalmieri1203's post with a spoiler for "the final cylon" a couple posts back, not knowing whether it's a "real" spoiler or just his speculation. And he may be unaware that these things show up in e-mail alerts to subscribed threads "unhidden". Anyway, even if he does know, it's particularly bad form to put the major remaining plot reveal for the entire series into this thread, spoilerized or not. Most of us here, and I think I speak for nearly everyone, would not want to come within a light year of that information before seeing it unfold on screen. My recommendation: remove that post! Just sayin'...

My apologies. I removed the content of the spoiler. I did not know that it got sent in the email as exposed. My apologies again.

Not your fault.

I would have thought that the system would blank out spoilers or what's the point of having a blind spoiler thingy in the thread.

Thanks, mpalmieri. Unlike the LOST thread, we don't have a companion BSG spoiler thread. Not sure we need one at this point; most of us wouldn't go near a "real" BSG spoiler with a ten-foot pole, and any spoilers from here on out are likely pretty major. Part of the appeal of the show is the periodic, jaw-dropping, "Did you just see that?!" plot twists that we didn't even remotely see coming. I'm looking forward to a few of those tonight, in fact. From what I've read of this coming final run, I'm sure that we won't be disappointed. ;)

Not your fault.

I would have thought that the system would blank out spoilers or what's the point of having a blind spoiler thingy in the thread.

Understood. This isn't the HTPC forum where the worst reveal that can happen is a 'tweaking' fix than can inure to someone's benefit. How much does anyone appreciate learning the ending or twist in a film, TV Series or a book that they have invested a fair amount of time into, only to be undone by an 'oopsie'. Isn't this a website that tends to present and pride itself to the world as the frakkin' bleeding edge of technology? How does that dovetail with this kind of unnecessary marginalization

Unfortunately, however, the reality here is that this 'spoiler' problem which undermines the entire basis for a forum dedicated to our thoughts and ideas about television programs, has existed for years, and and continues to remain unremedied for the uninitiated.

This isn't the first time something like this has happened unwittingly, and it won't be the last, while the technical issue of 'ghost' spoilers remains ignored, and it is perhaps fitting and ironic that this issue should have to be revisited once again during the twilight (and hopefully the summit) of one of the best and most intelligent sci-fi programs in television's history. BSG deserves better and so do the members of this forum.

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Well I just wanted to brag that I knew who/what it was.

Regardless, I'm really looking forward to this upcoming episode but haven't really followed the webisodes.

Having SCI-FI in HD on cablevision is awesome!

Well I just wanted to brag that I knew who/what it was.

Regardless, I'm really looking forward to this upcoming episode but haven't really followed the webisodes.

Having SCI-FI in HD on cablevision is awesome!

You need to check out the webisodes, for sure. In fact that's good advice for any fan of the series. They were pretty neat and the way they ended will have to be dealt with during the show, I would expect.

As a long-suffering TWC customer, I am proud and happy to note that most of us here in NC will be getting the Sci-Fi-HD channel starting February 13th., which means I'll have to watch the first 4 in SD. Oh well. Better late than never, I guess. I'll have to catch those first 4 in HD when UHD does their second-run thing.

Less than 12 hours now! :D:D:D

I usually don't excited about TV, but I'm stoked about this!

(And... I get to see it in HD!!)

Would it be pure sacrilage to jump in by watching tonight's premier or just go to the back of the line and start from the beginning?

Caution be to all ye DirecTv customers. According to the current schedule, there's going to be some funky 5 min offset in regular show times, and you might want to keep an eye out for it for the 9:00 hr, as opposed to the 10:00 hr.
I have D* and my DVR is reflecting the correct times.

My point was that potentially it could be different than the customary "10 pm" for different timezones (and not necessarily the way you would anticipate). So if you care about not missing the show, you may want to keep an eye out for it around that whole period of time, not just specifically 10 pm. If it happens to be at 9:05 pm, you'll be thanking me. ;)

Would it be pure sacrilage to jump in by watching tonight's premier or just go to the back of the line and start from the beginning?

In a perfect world, you watch them from the beginning. That said, I'd say jump in. You can always go back and catch up on the details later. Why miss out on all the fun?

Try to catch "The Top Ten Things You Need to Know" at 6:30pm EST first. Moore and Eicks did this so new viewers can get up to speed a bit before the premiere tonight.

Would it be pure sacrilage to jump in by watching tonight's premier or just go to the back of the line and start from the beginning?

If you're by chance a Nielsen family, I would say no. Jump on in; the water's fine! :) ;)

In a perfect world, you watch them from the beginning. That said, I'd say jump in. You can always go back and catch up on the details later. Why miss out on all the fun?

Try to catch "The Top Ten Things You Need to Know" at 6:30pm EST first. Moore and Eicks did this so new viewers can get up to speed a bit before the premiere tonight.
I'm tempted to vote no. Unlike most series, watching BSG is like peeling an onion. 'Ten Top Things' is, at best, an extremely superfiicial summary of a very involved and complex background not only of the story line, but also of the characters and issues. There are many layers, nuances and intricacies that you won't get to fully appreciate without the backstory. If you're ADHD or obsessive compulsive, nothing I'm saying will have any impact on your decision anyway. But I'm betting the vast amount of viewers and forum members will be discussing interconnections that will have you simply scratching your head without the history.

Either way, you're in for some really unique television.

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Would it be pure sacrilage to jump in by watching tonight's premier or just go to the back of the line and start from the beginning?

This show is like a great novel. Would you read the last half of "Return of the King" without having read the other 2 and a half books? I can't see that the show would make much sense.

This show is like a great novel. Would you read the last half of "Return of the King" without having read the other 2 and a half books? I can't see that the show would make much sense.

Hmm, I'm not sure that is the ideal analogy because most of that last half of ROTK, is pretty much about everybody going home and/or disappearing. :eek:

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The final cylon is:

That was my guess too!
:D

Looking forward to tonight's show. DVR is set and ready to roll. So say we all!

I wonder if we should start a Fifth Cylon poll? I know who I picked a long time ago. But now my pick looks a little iffy, in that there are more attractive candidates running about.

I've been tempted to watch this show before but felt that I needed to fully grasp the backstory and nuances that abound, so figured I would wait until its over,but the 'suspense' of knowing I'm missing out is really pulling me in to start now. From all of the press etc. about the writing and performances, I gather this is a fairly complex show as mentioned above so I have to do it justice and get into it on the ground floor to really enjoy the journey that is this show.The game plan is to catch the Top 10 special and try to record this season while catching up on previous seasons. All I need is time :D Long weekend +BB +lots of catching up.
P.S. - no we're not a Nielson household :D

I'm just wondering how long it will take to reveal the final Cylon? They won't do it during this premiere episode (or will they?).

I wonder if we should start a Fifth Cylon poll? I know who I picked a long time ago. But now my pick looks a little iffy, in that there are more attractive candidates running about.
Well, if there are more attractive candidates running around, that would mostly be the result of webisodes or spoilers, which would be a cheat, and not in the right spirit.

I should know since I'm the one who created that poll!

In the immortal words of one of my kids' teachers "You get what you get, and you don't get upset!" :p I know where the poll is and already planned to put it back up for a comparison AFTER we get the answer tonight.

Addendum: Oh, and if we don't get the official answer tonight (though I'm hoping we will), we'll 'let it ride' 'till we do. ;)

Sorry Dude, but no sloppy seconds for anyone. :D


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Well, if there are more attractive candidates running around, that would mostly be the result of webisodes or spoilers, which would be a cheat, and not in the right spirit.

I should know since I'm the one who created that poll!

In the immortal words of one of my kids' teachers "You get what you get, and you don't get upset!" :p I know where the poll is and already planned to put it back up for a comparison AFTER we get the answer tonight.

Sorry Dude, but no sloppy seconds for anyone. :D



Oh yeah, I forgot about that! It seems like it's been years since the dang show was on the air. Well, can you bring it out again, bump that thread? See if we can't get some action going here in the last remaining hours until ALL WILL BE REVEALED! :p

Would it be pure sacrilage to jump in by watching tonight's premier or just go to the back of the line and start from the beginning?

I'm glad it appears you decided against jumping in. Part of the awesomeness of this show is the many twists and turns it takes. If you watch tonight's episode, you'll miss one of those twists when you get around to watching the previous episode.

Really, normally I don't care about this sort of thing. I started watching Burn Notice in Season 2 and couldn't care less. I like the show, but I'm not bummed about what I might have missed.

But with BSG, I really think you have to start from the beginning. Your enjoyment of the show will just be so much more that way.

I envy you - getting to watch it all for the first time. Have fun!

I enjoyed BSG a lot in its early years and will probably watch the rest of the show's episodes. Still, the many breaks in this long and complex series, usually ranging from about 6 months to over a year each, have made it hard for me to remember what I am supposed to already know and what is new. Maybe I will get hooked on BSG again, I hope so but I doubt it.

I enjoyed BSG a lot in its early years and will probably watch the rest of the show's episodes. Still, the many breaks in this long and complex series, usually ranging from about 6 months to over a year each, have made it hard for me to remember what I am supposed to already know and what is new. Maybe I will get hooked on BSG again, I hope so but I doubt it.

You might want to check out that 30 minute clip show "The 10 Things You Need to Know...". It's a fast & furious primer going all the way back to the beginning. Even longtime fans of this show can be forgiven for forgetting some stuff, 'cause you know, there's been a lot of stuff. :p

If you don't have it sitting on your DVR, it's probably available on the SciFi website.

Oh yeah, I forgot about that! It seems like it's been years since the dang show was on the air. Well, can you bring it out again, bump that thread? See if we can't get some action going here in the last remaining hours until ALL WILL BE REVEALED! :p

Boy, you're pretty pushy for a new member, huh? :p

Here's the link:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1022105&highlight=cylon

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Still, the many breaks in this long and complex series, usually ranging from about 6 months to over a year each, have made it hard for me to remember what I am supposed to already know and what is new.
Since Comcast only had Sci-Fi SD and it sucked, I didn't watch the last season until I bought it on DVD. I steered away from all BSG discussion on the Internet and my geek friends that would spoil it.

Then I got busy during the summer and didn't get around to watching the last two episodes until just before the new season premiere (on Sci-Fi HD, finally). I'm glad I did that because the triple cliffhanger of the return of dead Starbuck, the Cylon ambush, and the four unlikely Cylons would have driven me nuts.

Boy, you're pretty pushy for a new member, huh? :p



Yeah, but I have an old soul. ;)

Anyway, looks like back then (last posts were at the end of May) Starbuck, the trendy choice, was in the lead followed by Ros, another easy one, and a surprise contender in Zarak. Adama Sr. was not amongst the top three, so I guess that means most people don't trust Leoben. Imagine that! My choice, alas, was shared by few others, but I'm still hanging on to a thread of hope. Hope - it's in the air, you know?

Five hours and counting...

You might want to check out that 30 minute clip show "The 10 Things You Need to Know...". It's a fast & furious primer going all the way back to the beginning. Even longtime fans of this show can be forgiven for forgetting some stuff, 'cause you know, there's been a lot of stuff. :p

If you don't have it sitting on your DVR, it's probably available on the SciFi website.
Thanks, the catchup episodes were, indeed, on the Sci-Fi Web site. I watched them and they helped. I recall now that I didn't watch all of the earlier episodes in Season 4 because I got tired of having to see BSG in SD. Fortunately, Cox OKC picked up Sci-Fi HD last month so I'll get to see the rest of the episodes in all their glory.

As a long-suffering TWC customer, I am proud and happy to note that most of us here in NC will be getting the Sci-Fi-HD channel starting February 13th., which means I'll have to watch the first 4 in SD. Oh well. Better late than never, I guess. I'll have to catch those first 4 in HD when UHD does their second-run thing.

Lucky you. Cox in Phoenix won't have SciFi HD until March 29th!

As part of my getting ready for the big event tonight, I thought I'd watch the webisodes in one sitting.

I agree that they have high production value---but I don't see how they are going to work those plot elements into the main show for those who haven't seen them (not saying they wouldn't). Otherwise the behavior of some characters isn't going to make much sense.

Anyway, all that aside, is it just me or is the clock moving slower than ususal today? 10 PM still seems so far away.

I need to get a life. Anyone know where I can get one cheap?

He's a witch! BURN the witch!!! :D
:p

As for the spoilers...I don't know what he said, but I've seen everything thrown out there from Jake the dog to dead characters who were barely even in the show to inanimate objects named as the final cylon. I don't think they can really surprise us with the who/what, but the real surprise in my mind would be the how and the why.

The media is covering this premiere like crazy, and I'm hyped as hell given all the insane praise. It just better live up to the hype.

I don't see how they are going to work those plot elements into the main show for those who haven't seen them (not saying they wouldn't). Otherwise the behavior of some characters isn't going to make much sense.In the case of the "Young Adama Finds the Early Cylon Hybrid Experiment" webisode series, they inserted the "final five" of those (how appropriate :)) into the Razor movie, leaving out the first two. Maybe they'll edit some of "The Face of the Enemy" into the final episodes.

In case anyone hasn't seen it, this was Alan Sepinwall's preview of tonight's festivities from the HOTP thread this afternoon... (no spoilers)

Critic's Review
'Battlestar Galactica' returns to a world of pain
By Alan Sepinwall, Newark Star-Ledger - January 16, 2009

"Earth."

This was the last word recited on the last episode of "Battlestar Galactica" to air, back in June. It also was the name of the place the show's characters had been trying to find for nearly five years - their last, best hope for salvation after the human race was nearly wiped out.

In that incredible episode, the rag-tag remains of humanity did make their way to Earth, well ahead of what every "Galactica" fan assumed was the schedule. But rather than a blessed haven where they could stop running and start healing, Earth turned out to be an irradiated wasteland. Rather than an expression of hope and joy, "Earth" was uttered as if it were a curse.

As the final season of the epic science-fiction series resumes tonight, I wouldn't dream of spoiling anything about exactly what happened to Earth, or what the fleet does now. If you've been along for the ride this far (insert obligatory disclaimer here about how many people aren't watching a show they might love, simply because it's called "Battlestar Galactica"), you don't want or need me to give anything away in advance.

What I can tell you is this: The characters do not take the news well, at all. They rage. They despair. They demand answers that they know they'll never get. They react, in other words, just as you would expect any human to - and that includes the characters who are really Cylons.

What I've always admired about "Galactica" is the way that it goes back to the roots of science-fiction. We've grown accustomed to the "Star Wars" model of sci-fi, where we want adventure stories with space battles, and robots and aliens, and time travel. "Galactica" has all of that - the outerspace dogfights, when they still do them, are as thrilling as you'll find, especially given the modest basic cable budget - but at its heart, it's using all the familiar sci-fi tropes to tell stories about people, who we are now and how we might react to a fantastic situation.

The series began as an allegory for 9/11, and over the years, it's been able to tell stories about Iraq, and religious fundamentalism, and abuse of power - all dressed up in sci-fi drag, to make the subjects more palatable, and to remove enough present-day context that it might make you question your own beliefs. It's one thing to be horrified by insurgent suicide bombers, but what if you're watching a show where the characters you root for have been placed in a situation (as they were a few seasons ago) where they're the insurgency?

And regardless of politics, what makes "Galactica" so gripping is its emphasis on character over hardware. The explosions and the killer robots are cool, but they don't stack up to seeing fully-drawn people - brought to life by a great writing staff led by producer Ron Moore and an astonishing cast led by Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell - grapple with these life-or-death, genocide-level decisions.

Blown as my mind was by so many of the revelations in tonight's episode, what really kept me riveted to the screen were those superb actors showing just how poorly their alter egos were dealing with one piece of devastating news after another. There's no quarter given, no letting up on the implications of what's happened, no using a magic wand or a bit of technobabble to wave it all way. This happened, the characters need to face that - and, at the moment, they're doing a damn poor job of it. And that feels real and powerful, even with all the spaceships and alien prophecies.

There's a bittersweetness to the number of classic dramas that are wrapping things up of late. Last year, we lost "The Shield" and "The Wire," but they went out on such amazing high notes that I can't exactly begrudge their departures. I'm not happy that "Galactica" is ending in a few months, but I'm also aware that the series' impending demise is giving its cast and crew the freedom to go to such terrifying, moving, amazing places - one of which is apparently the planet we call home.

Note: Tonight's episode runs 3 1/2 minutes long, so plan accordingly.

"Battlestar Galactica" (Tonight at 10 on Sci Fi)

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/tv/index.ssf/2009/01/sepinwall_on_tv_battlestar_gal.html

Hmmmm I am watching the current episode (Hub) on SciFi HD on Verizon FiOS (which is usually pretty spectacular) and boy I have to say the PQ is pretty poor. I always watched on Universal HD before which was pretty good (not excellent) but much better than what I am seeing right now. Bummer... not that it will stop me.

I predict its Roslyn or the Galactica itself is the final Cylon. I deleted the earlier spoiler E mail, don't want to know, at least till I watch it.

Time is moving slower Today.

ugh why is this show on Friday...

I think I may be geeking out and staying in to watch it...