Remember what Hawkeye Pierce said about "Military Intelligence" on the TV show "M*A*S*H," Airboss... It's an Oxymoron... for morons, lol.

This is NOT to call YOU a moron... there are PLENTY of brilliant people in the military and I highly respect and admire the work they do and what they do to protect America... Only to say that some of the top brass sometimes seem to have "polished their heads a bit too much." :p -- particularly some of the "military intelligence" types.
Jeff

The report was produced by ethics professors at Cal Polytech for the Navy. It was not written by US Military personal and presumably does not represent any official doctrine or direction being taken by the US military.

The report is interesting (yes, I skimmed all 112 pages), but it is more of a collection of philosophical/ethical musings than any reasonable approximation of current concerns for technical implementations of autonomous military systems. The kind of autonomy being speculated about in the report requires a degree of machine self-awareness that will not be achieved any time soon. Until that happens, any kind of seemingly "unethical" action taken by a robot is simply a bug. If a firing mechanism on a bomb malfunctions and blows up a friendly tank, was the bomb being "unethical"? Nope, it was just broken.

Once machines start making higher-level decisions about "right" and "wrong" we can have a nice philosophical wank session about what constitutes and ethical "bug" verses free will. But trust me, today's robots aren't making decisions of the magnitude/complexity hinted at in the report, nor will they tomorrow or 20 years from now. The part about emerging complexity due to all the cooks and all the code has nothing to do with programming ethics/morality and everything to do with quality control.

The only part of the report that is remotely relevant to today's military is the discussion of the human ethics of using remote-controlled robots as proxy soldiers.

Oh, and Moore said it's the Earth. Deal with it :)


He also said Starbuck was dead and removed her name from the credits. Technically she was/is, but she still came back. ;)

Does anyone know how much time has passed since they left Earth? If D'Anna's still there, she might be able to point Ellen and Boomer in the right direction. But I don't know the time-line, so she's probably already dead.

Does anyone know how much time has passed since they left Earth? If D'Anna's still there, she might be able to point Ellen and Boomer in the right direction. But I don't know the time-line, so she's probably already dead.

About 4 months, since they went to Earth right after the destruction of the Hub.

He also said Starbuck was dead and removed her name from the credits. Technically she was/is, but she still came back. ;)

Does anyone know how much time has passed since they left Earth? If D'Anna's still there, she might be able to point Ellen and Boomer in the right direction. But I don't know the time-line, so she's probably already dead.

Yeah, mooby, and I was looking at the IMDB BSG page a couple nights ago, just to check some things out of curiosity and was quite surprised to see that Kara Thrace is credited with only TWO FEWER EPISODES than the other central characters! Seemed a bit more than that to me, but not according to IMDB. Perhaps they counted flashbacks in her missing episodes?
Jeff

About 4 months, since they went to Earth right after the destruction of the Hub.

That's right...danke. Forgot they included those little time stamps last episode.

And Kara really was only missing for two episodes. Maelstrom was 3.17, and she came back in 3.20.

Sure SEEMED longer though, didn't it? Yaknow, I don't drink the coffee, but I really enjoy bathing in the zaniness of the character. :p

And speaking of "bathing in zany characters," has anyone seen the latest commercial for Hulu.com, with Eliza Dushku getting in free ads for her new show, "Dollhouse," while simultaneously claiming to also be a brain-sucking alien and ending the spot by sticking out a long, curling tongue and licking the milkshake off her straw? Great stuff! :D I never cared too much for her other show (watched it anyway, when I could), but I think "Dollhouse" is gonna be a winner.
Jeff

So I am risking posting here, despite a few folks not liking it because I haven't been with the program since the beginning. Hopefully that nonsense is over and everyone can just get along because I am now a HUGE fan of this show.

I have now watched season 1, 2 and 2.5. I'm about to start 3 and so far the majority of this show IS outstanding. There were a few snoozer episodes, but that is the norm with any good series. No, I haven't warmed up to Starbuck all that much, but I don't hare her. Just don't like the tough chick Hollywood thing. never have.

Boomer, on the other hand, hooked me from the start and I don't care that he is now a she in this show. Grace Park is not just a pretty face. She has a great range of emotions and I am really into her, in all of the parts she is playing.

EJO is always good, so I am not surprised that he rocks here too. The supporting cast is fine all around.

The Baltar character has been growing on me, the scummy Frak that he is. I was floored that his Number 6 sees him in her mind and cannot wait to find out what the frak is up with that.

I could go on, but you're all way ahead of me, so I won't. I'll just say I am glad to finally be part of the party and will be very sad when it ends.

Reading that season 3 suffered from Sci-Fi hannel interference doesn't please me. :( Why fix what isn't broken? I'll try and watch the entire third season by next Wednesday so I can then start watching the repeats of season 4 that Sci-Fi HD will be running. I recorded the episodes from yesterday and will be able to start from that point.

Am I reading correctly that I can skip RAZOR and not miss anything important to the ongoing show, or should I still find the time to take it in?

Thanks much. I'll be treading carefully in this thread to avoid spoilers.

So I am risking posting here, despite a few folks not liking it because I haven't been with the program since the beginning. Hopefully that nonsense is over and everyone can just get along because I am now a HUGE fan of this show.

I have now watched season 1, 2 and 2.5. I'm about to start 3 and so far the majority of this show IS outstanding. There were a few snoozer episodes, but that is the norm with any good series. No, I haven't warmed up to Starbuck all that much, but I don't hare her. Just don't like the tough chick Hollywood thing. never have.

Boomer, on the other hand, hooked me from the start and I don't care that he is now a she in this show. Grace Park is not just a pretty face. She has a great range of emotions and I am really into her, in all of the parts she is playing.

EJO is always good, so I am not surprised that he rocks here too. The supporting cast is fine all around.

The Baltar character has been growing on me, the scummy Frak that he is. I was floored that his Number 6 sees him in her mind and cannot wait to find out what the frak is up with that.

I could go on, but you're all way ahead of me, so I won't. I'll just say I am glad to finally be part of the party and will be very sad when it ends.

Reading that season 3 suffered from Sci-Fi hannel interference doesn't please me. :( Why fix what isn't broken? I'll try and watch the entire third season by next Wednesday so I can then start watching the repeats of season 4 that Sci-Fi HD will be running. I recorded the episodes from yesterday and will be able to start from that point.

Am I reading correctly that I can skip RAZOR and not miss anything important to the ongoing show, or should I still find the time to take it in?

Thanks much. I'll be treading carefully in this thread to avoid spoilers.

Awesome. I wish I could have watched all seasons on DVD. I watched Seasons 1 and 2, 2.5 on DVD and started up the weekly show by season 3. The nice thing about DVDs is that if you think an epi is a snoozer, you can just go right to the next one. My wife and I did this many times. Having to watch week to week was really tough when we caught up. And season 3 (despite the beginning episodes being absolutely outstanding) does slow down a bit in the middle.

Watch Razor after Season 3 and before Season 4... there is some interesting stuff in it Imho...

Am I reading correctly that I can skip RAZOR and not miss anything important to the ongoing show, or should I still find the time to take it in?

Thanks much. I'll be treading carefully in this thread to avoid spoilers.

I wouldn't skip it as there is some great back story that is told. While the information is not vital, it helps tie everything together.

I would make sure to catch the Webisodes in sequence as well.

It's killing me that I am going to have to wait until tomorrow or maybe even Monday to start season 3. Discs 1 & 2 are in the mail, so they need to just get here and now. Hopefully I can watch the entire season by next weekend.

Seing the show on DVD is awesome. No commercials. Watch when I want back to back to back when possible. It's fantastic experiencing the show this way.

Looks like I am watching Razor.

The web stuff is on disc two of season 3?

So I am risking posting here, despite a few folks not liking it because I haven't been with the program since the beginning. Hopefully that nonsense is over and everyone can just get along because I am now a HUGE fan of this show.

Don't worry, and told ya :)

Just be prepared for a lul around season 3. get through it, because season 4 picks up again. (Personally I enjoyed most of season 3 besides one or two very slow episodes).

SCIFI wanted stand alone bottle episodes around season three that non-fans could jump into and understand. Of course it didn't work with a show that's been planing episodic, season, and series plot arches. Especially when character development follows the same theory.

Boomer, on the other hand, hooked me from the start and I don't care that he is now a she in this show. Grace Park is not just a pretty face. She has a great range of emotions and I am really into her, in all of the parts she is playing.


Am I reading correctly that I can skip RAZOR and not miss anything important to the ongoing show, or should I still find the time to take it in?

Thanks much. I'll be treading carefully in this thread to avoid spoilers.

Boomer is indeed HOT. Definitely watch RAZOR...some interesting backstory, and if you like Boomer you'll probably like the new gal in Razor. Good Cylon stuff in there too.

Don't worry, and told ya :)

Just be prepared for a lul around season 3. get through it, because season 4 picks up again. (Personally I enjoyed most of season 3 besides one or two very slow episodes).

SCIFI wanted stand alone bottle episodes around season three that non-fans could jump into and understand. Of course it didn't work with a show that's been planing episodic, season, and series plot arches. Especially when character development follows the same theory.
SCIFI really dropped the ball with such a decision because it is now DVD that is the starting point for many people. That is how I watched season 1 of HEROES. Then I started season 2 as it aired (but it jumped the shark right off the bat and I stopped watching).

LOST was a DVD discovery for me. Didn't start watching it until season 2 after catcing season 1 on DVD. Have watched it live ever since.

SCIFI and the rest need to understand that shows with long arcs will, over time, lose some viewers. It just is what it is. No avoiding it. Meanwhile, DVD sales can help make up for that, along with the loss of traditional repeats over the summer months.

SCIFI and the rest need to understand that shows with long arcs will, over time, lose some viewers. It just is what it is. No avoiding it. Meanwhile, DVD sales can help make up for that, along with the loss of traditional repeats over the summer months.

Well, I think that's a good point. These type of sci-fi flavored serialized shows will, by their very nature, bleed viewers as the marginal fans drop out for whatever reason and potential new viewers are intimidated by how much of the story arc they've already missed.

But it's a brand new TV world out there. Those same serialized shows also generate that elusive buzz, as well as fierce loyalty among their fans. There may not be that many of 'em, relative to procedurals and reality shows, but they're going to be there every week, with bells on. DVD sales, overseas sales, and other ancillary income streams can make the serialized model work. I think we may be seeing a newer, more patient FOX Network, for example, with their block of T:SCC and 'Dollhouse' on Friday nights. The ratings suck, sure, but they beat anything else they could schedule on that night and they're going to be able to market these shows all over the world.

^ It has been slow in coming, but I think showrunners and networks are finally beginning to "get it" that the old models don't work anymore.

For the longest time, ratings/advertising dollars were the benchmark. Now, as you point out, there are other revenue streams that come into play---let alone alternate viewing patters caused by DVRs and online viewing.

The problem is, though, that there has to be enough time given to see if the concept gels with an audience to generate, say, good DVD sales.

The problem is, though, that there has to be enough time given to see if the concept gels with an audience to generate, say, good DVD sales.

That's right. 'Drive', 'Traveler', and 'Journeyman' aren't going to sell squat because there's basically nothing to sell. But if they had completed at least a season, then they could recoup at least some of their investment.

So, who's looking forward to seeing the expression on Saul Tigh's face when you-know-who steps off that Raptor tonight? Boy oh boy, that ought to be good!

^ It has been slow in coming, but I think showrunners and networks are finally beginning to "get it" that the old models don't work anymore.

For the longest time, ratings/advertising dollars were the benchmark. Now, as you point out, there are other revenue streams that come into play---let alone alternate viewing patters caused by DVRs and online viewing.

The problem is, though, that there has to be enough time given to see if the concept gels with an audience to generate, say, good DVD sales.

not only that, but you can now put up semi-HD versions on the web and run add content bypassing the cable providers.

So it's even easier for fans to noobs to dive on in with the earlier episodes if they like one or two and are confused.

Boomer is indeed HOT. Definitely watch RAZOR...some interesting backstory, and if you like Boomer you'll probably like the new gal in Razor. Good Cylon stuff in there too.

Agreed. And this thread is worthless without photos :)

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Thank you internets.

Agreed. And this thread is worthless without photos :)



Thank you internets.

My series of Tubes thank you

Boomer, on the other hand, hooked me from the start and I don't care that he is now a she in this show.

Huh?

Friday nights are now totally insane! Terminator SJC, Dollhouse, Friday Night Lights, BSG and now Bill Maher is back and also at 10 pm. Fortunately, they re-run it at 11. Plus, some here like to watch Numbers re-runs. A DVR owners dream night of TV. If only there was an expander for the FIOS' box.

Huh?

Starbuck and Boomer were dudes on the original BSG.

Huh?

I think he was talking about the fact that Boomer was a guy in the original BSG in the 70s.

As for Starbuck being "manly", I really don't think that's our starbuck.

She's a badass gun slinger; but really she's running from her problems and that’s how she deals with it. Wait till season 4.0 when the **** hits the fan with her and you’ll see some brilliant performances.

Starbuck and Boomer were dudes on the original BSG.

Interesting. I knew about Starbuck from my readings here. Boomer being a dude in the original was news to me.

Agreed. And this thread is worthless without photos :)

Thank you internets.There's a video of that Maxim photo-shoot, here (http://www.maxim.com/video/941/GracePark.video?pagenum=1&vsid=1&src=mx1225).

I think he was talking about the fact that Boomer was a guy in the original BSG in the 70s.

Yes, I forgot about that. Thought perhaps our friend doing the catching up received an incorrect disk from Netflix that included some transgender activity. Or worse, that the sordid dreams I have had of Boomer/Athena might enter the ewww realm. Yikes!

A few random thoughts.

I too had thought about the posibility of Starbuck and Baltar being offspring of Daniel. I dismissed the idea as too "obvious." Similar situation for a tracking device on Boomer's raptor to be used by Cavil to track Ellen to the fleet. I think the writers have many options on how to explain Starbuck and Baltar given with how little we know about resurection technology.

I also noticed the reference to Daniel in the Caprica teaser online. Sorry I was so late to the party that my "present" is a duplicate. I was gonna be so proud of myself for hitting on that little tidbit. Oh well.

Interesting. I knew about Starbuck from my readings here. Boomer being a dude in the original was news to me.A black guy, sort of a side-kick for Apollo and Starbuck; Tigh was also black. (I tried to link pictures from Battlestarwiki.org, but that's apparently a no-no. No big loss).

If you've never seen the original series, you should grab a copy somewhere and watch the first episode or two, just for laughs. It was a much campier, much less dramatic series, capitalizing on the success of Star Wars.

A black guy, sort of a side-kick for Apollo and Starbuck; Tigh was also black. (I tried to link pictures from Battlestarwiki.org, but that's apparently a no-no. No big loss).

If you've never seen the original series, you should grab a copy somewhere and watch the first episode or two, just for laughs. It was a much campier, much less dramatic series, capitalizing on the success of Star Wars.

Ah, but they gave us the word Frak...and feldercarb

I'm happy to see Matt_Stevens is now being more openly welcomed as a "real member" of this thread. I feel there's room for everyone, and Matt seems to "bring a lot to the table." Welcome back, Matt!
Jeff

I'm happy to see Matt_Stevens is now being more openly welcomed as a "real member" of this thread. I feel there's room for everyone, and Matt seems to "bring a lot to the table." Welcome back, Matt!
Jeff

I've told that boy - he really needs to stay the frak away from here for his own good, especially now that the series mythology end-game is exploding shrapnel all over the thread. He's taking a big risk dropping back in here today. :eek:

There's a video of that Maxim photo-shoot, here (http://www.maxim.com/video/941/GracePark.video?pagenum=1&vsid=1&src=mx1225).

at work, but please tell me it's in 1080P .mp4 :)

A black guy, sort of a side-kick for Apollo and Starbuck; Tigh was also black. (I tried to link pictures from Battlestarwiki.org, but that's apparently a no-no. No big loss).

If you've never seen the original series, you should grab a copy somewhere and watch the first episode or two, just for laughs. It was a much campier, much less dramatic series, capitalizing on the success of Star Wars.


Honestly, god bless it, but Trek was just as campy. Even TNG is not aging well.


Like technology, shows and story telling are evolving (wells some of them at least). I always wondered what Fritz Lang would say if you sat him down and showed him sci-fi like Bladerunner, and then maybe battlestar. They probably wouldn't be able to destinguish where reality stops and film begins.

Honestly, god bless it, but Trek was just as campy.


As Johnny Mac might say: You cannot be serious! Star Trek didn't have cutsie robot dogs or silly flying motorcycles. But it did have tribbles. They were pretty cute.

Grace Park (http://rocketfuel.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/grace-park/)

As Johnny Mac might say: You cannot be serious! Star Trek didn't have cutsie robot dogs or silly flying motorcycles. But it did have tribbles. They were pretty cute.

Have you read any synopsis on some of the rejected tv and movie scripts? They were close at points :)

Grace Park (http://rocketfuel.wordpress.com/2008/05/29/grace-park/)


Well, that's a park I wouldn't mind playing in! ;):D:)

Her rich husband gets to play in that park every night. :D

I'll not be back here until I catch up, I think, unless something blows my mind and I just have to talk about it.

Netflix cannot ship them DVD's fast enough. A shame this series isn't on Blu-Ray, Woulda sprung for them all, no doubt.

Netflix cannot ship them DVD's fast enough. A shame this series isn't on Blu-Ray, Woulda sprung for them all, no doubt.

Oh, don't worry. You will. ;)

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

Hollywod Notes
Universal in talks for 'Battlestar' movie
Glen A. Larson would write, produce the film
By Borys Kit, The Hollywood Reporter, Feb 20, 2009

Just as the acclaimed Sci Fi Channel series "Battlestar Galactica" enters its final episodes, Universal has quietly entered into negotiations with Glen A. Larson to write and produce a big-screen version of the property he created.

"Battlestar," which originally aired on ABC in 1978, was produced in the wake of the success of "Star Wars," which caused a sci-fi revival in popular culture. The premise involved a human civilization living on a series of 12 planets that are decimated from an attack by intelligent robots known as Cylons. The survivors are led by a starship called Galactica in their attempt to find a mythic 13th planet named Earth.

The Sci Fi series, under the direction of executive producer Ronald Moore, took the premise and ran with it, incorporating the politics of war, religion, torture and destiny, becoming the channel's signature series.

The movie effort would have no connection to the series and would relaunch the story in a new medium. However, staples such as the characters Adama, Starbuck, and Baltar will remain.

Larson was one of the biggest names in 1970s and '80s TV and creator of shows like "Switch" and "Magnum P.I."

Universal had no comment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i6c21c5456af55219869af6584aeaa0c0

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

Hollywod Notes
Universal in talks for 'Battlestar' movie
Glen A. Larson would write, produce the film
By Borys Kit, The Hollywood Reporter, Feb 20, 2009

Just as the acclaimed Sci Fi Channel series "Battlestar Galactica" enters its final episodes, Universal has quietly entered into negotiations with Glen A. Larson to write and produce a big-screen version of the property he created.


Be AFRAID...be VERY AFRAID

Why? Why now? Feels like all that'll do is take away from the critical success of Ron Moore's version. Or maybe that's why he's doing it...

I can't believe that Universal would go along with it.

You've got to be kidding. :rolleyes:

It makes sense. "Star Trek" is going to kill at the box office this summer and the 'Battlestar Galactica' name recognition is at an all-time high. Larson would produce and write but a new director (a McG type) could make this big screen version big, flashy and dumb fun. Universal is not looking beyond a big opening weekend and DVD sales of an intellectual property it owns and from which it feels it can squeeze a few extra bucks now that the Sci-Fi TV series is coming to an end. Personally I think both can co-exist since there will be no mistaking Larson's "BG" with RDM's gritty version/cast. The same way there were many flavors of "Star Trek" on TV ("Next Generation," "Voyager," "Deep Space Nine," "Enterprise," etc.) there's no reason why there can't be two new interpretations of "BG" co-existing, especially since RDM's will be years old by the time the new "BG" movie comes along.

From Fredfa's "Hot Off The Press" thread:

Hollywod Notes
Universal in talks for 'Battlestar' movie
Glen A. Larson would write, produce the film
By Borys Kit, The Hollywood Reporter, Feb 20, 2009

Just as the acclaimed Sci Fi Channel series "Battlestar Galactica" enters its final episodes, Universal has quietly entered into negotiations with Glen A. Larson to write and produce a big-screen version of the property he created.

"Battlestar," which originally aired on ABC in 1978, was produced in the wake of the success of "Star Wars," which caused a sci-fi revival in popular culture. The premise involved a human civilization living on a series of 12 planets that are decimated from an attack by intelligent robots known as Cylons. The survivors are led by a starship called Galactica in their attempt to find a mythic 13th planet named Earth.

The Sci Fi series, under the direction of executive producer Ronald Moore, took the premise and ran with it, incorporating the politics of war, religion, torture and destiny, becoming the channel's signature series.

The movie effort would have no connection to the series and would relaunch the story in a new medium. However, staples such as the characters Adama, Starbuck, and Baltar will remain.

Larson was one of the biggest names in 1970s and '80s TV and creator of shows like "Switch" and "Magnum P.I."

Universal had no comment.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/hr/content_display/television/news/e3i6c21c5456af55219869af6584aeaa0c0

ugh, god no.

Thats just wrong on so many levels... makes Cavil and his Mom look tame... ;)

It's almost show time!

Tonights episode should be so good.

Complete BSG set? On Blu? In July? And hopefully DVD as well? (http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/02/news-about-bsg-blu-ray-dvd-set.html)Hopefully these rumours are true. O_o

Ahhhh. I would probably rent it. As a teen Star Trek the motion picture had me lining up to watch it, Ive grown up since.

How many left here? are they doing a double for the finally?

How many left here? are they doing a double for the finally?

5 episodes left. The finale is going to be 2 hours long. Though technically it's 3 hours but it's being broken into 2 separate episodes (4.19 and 4.20). They'll be repeating 4.19 just before 4.20, so you can catch the full 3 hours all in one shot if you want.

Complete BSG set? On Blu? In July? And hopefully DVD as well? (http://galacticasitrep.blogspot.com/2009/02/news-about-bsg-blu-ray-dvd-set.html)Hopefully these rumours are true. O_o
From the link.
"BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE COMPLETE SERIES on Blu-Ray DVD July 28, 2009."

I wonder how much it will cost.

I know it's OT, but anybody who was wondering about "Dollhouse," episode 2 is KILLER (literally AND figuratively). My other shows are all re-runs tonight, so I'm watching all the Sci-Fi stuff live.

As for that Larson movie, I read about it just before I saw it here, as Fred had just invited me to join that other thread... The last several posts were ALL about THAT, lol.

I remember a while back in this thread a discussion about how part of the BSG mythology is due to Larson being a Mormon, and how RDM sort of veered off from that a bit, perhaps... Might be interesting to see if Larson sticks anywhere close to the RDM model or goes in very different directions.
Jeff

I remember a while back in this thread a discussion about how part of the BSG mythology is due to Larson being a Mormon, and how RDM sort of veered off from that a bit, perhaps... Might be interesting to see if Larson sticks anywhere close to the RDM model or goes in very different directions.
Jeff

Thats funny, I just saw the first few minutes, and all I can think of is, Tigh becomes a Mormon polygamist, Ellen looks hot, who do you get rid of? I say keep both. I wonder if the new Ellen is a virgin? Maybe Cavil left it alone, after all he had Boomer around.

LMAO, Lost, I'm just thinking the same thing -- except the last line from Ellen just before the current station break certainly doesn't make it look like SHE feels that way, lol.

LMAO, Lost, I'm just thinking the same thing -- except the last line from Ellen just before the current station break certainly doesn't make it look like SHE feels that way, lol.

Yeah you beat me to it. I guess its a no on the monage detuat. :(

From the link.
"BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE COMPLETE SERIES on Blu-Ray DVD July 28, 2009."

I wonder how much it will cost.

I'm going to start saving my pennies today. It won't be cheap but I will buy it.

I would guess $199.95 USD at least for this Complete Series box set.

I thought the goo bath (seriously, who first used that with a straight face?) washed the irritating bitch out of Ellen.

I was wrong.

I'm saving further comments until after the West-coast airing... ALMOST posted something 15 minutes ago, then cut and pasted it into a blank email to save until 1 a.m. I think we have to be careful not to spoilerize the West-coasters too much.
Jeff

I would guess $199.95 USD at least for this Complete Series box set.
On BluRay? Try doubling that. Maybe it'll come down after Christmas. A lot depends on how the final episodes go down. If the denouement isn't satisfying then word-of-mouth recommendations will take a big hit.

As for tonight's episode..... a wise man once said if you don't have anything good to say then don't say anything. One day I will have the whole series on disc. Tonight's episode is in the "no need to re-watch" category IMO. I'm looking forward to next week's episode.

I would guess $199.95 USD at least for this Complete Series box set.

I'd consider that a bargin. I'm guessing $250-300.

I'm saving further comments until after the West-coast airing... ALMOST posted something 15 minutes ago, then cut and pasted it into a blank email to save until 1 a.m. I think we have to be careful not to spoilerize the West-coasters too much.
AFAIK everything is fair game once the East Coast airing is complete. Besides, anyone watching in HD (and this topic is about BSG on SciFi HD) watches in the East Coast timeslot anyway, even people on the west coast.

I didn't think Ellen was going to be so forgiving about Saul boinking Caprica 6. Too bad the baby died. That changes a lot of things.

I see coma guy is starting to regain brain activity. I bet he remembers a lot more than Ellen is telling us.

I didn't think Ellen was going to be so forgiving about Saul boinking Caprica 6. Too bad the baby died. That changes a lot of things.

I see coma guy is starting to regain brain activity. I bet he remembers a lot more than Ellen is telling us.

That was a long reboot, bill gates would be proud. Kinda reminded me of the movie "Alien" when the computer on Nostramo starts up on its own.

He was all alone, and he reboots, with all the electronic devices attached, what if he integrates with the goo butter being spread on Galactica, he could be the new hybrid. Adama would overdose.

Star buck makes the comment, that watching Ellen and Tigh making out, was like watching her parents, hint to her Cylon Daddy Danial?

I liked when Ellen walked on board the Galactica and that guy said "how many dead chicks are there out there?"

Well, at first glance, tonight's episode certainly seemed like another "bottle episode," but then as I pointed out the last time we had this discussion, a couple episodes back when we thought we had a "bottle episode," a lot of things were set up if not much actually "happened."

Should be very interesting to see what a heavily armed all-girl militia led by Gaius Baltar ends up doing, lol... Gawd, almost seems like a set-up for soft-core porn, except they don't DO THAT on basic cable, lol.

And YEAH, I thought something similar when Starbuck made the comment about Saul and Ellen kissing -- I think she's some sort of "missing link." The way they REALLY avoided any kind of action or pretty much anything that required special effects tonight (and for the most part, the last couple of episodes), I figure they must be REALLY SAVING UP for a BIG FINISH!
Jeff

monage detuat

Say Huh, what?

I think someone was trying to say menage a tois (not sure I spelled it right, either, but pretty sure I came closer (two-on-one, aka three-way) :D

Say Huh, what?

Parden mua, Le French es a bad.

I think someone was trying to say menage a tois (not sure I spelled it right, either, but pretty sure I came closer (two-on-one, aka three-way) :D

You know it could happen, now that the Bambino kick the can.

Not much worse than mine, lol.

I know "parles vous Francais?," "Parles vous Angles?," and "je taime." If you know no other French, know "je taime!"
Jeff

Ok, I thought I got that very ugly picture and I sh/would have put one of those little smiley things in there, but I hate those things almost worse than text shorthand.

Someone already said it...but quite possibly my favorite TV lines in years....

Hotdog on seeing Ellen "How many dead chicks are out there?" .... priceless.

Other great line...Saul "Grandpa was a power station"

Overall OK ep...but mostly set up, bottle or not..they has to take a step back after last weeks intensity

A couple things I was questioning was it almost looked like the metal supports were getting worse not better...

I mentioned last time, thought that cylons had "superhuman/extra" strength...looks like caprica had a little extra in her tank when she took out multiple dudes while pregnant

I though it was right in line that Ellen although "The Mother" still had plenty of personality defects and still loved the bottle

Maybe I missed it (and I know not being clear was intentional) but not sure what the point of arming Gauis' Gals was, that one chick seems to be pretty militant. Are they supposed to be Adama's new militia with a conscience?

The baby died...Anders regained consciousness...related? Maybe the baby was a mini-resurrection chamber so to speak and his consciousness had to come back.

You know it could happen, now that the Bambino kick the can.

I don't know, Lost, on second viewing, just watching the scene again where Ellen essentially TRIGGERS Caprica's miscarriage, after displaying such vile jealousy I don't think I'd want ANY PART of ANY liasiaon with her -- sexual or otherwise -- after that, if I were Saul Tigh OR Caprica 6 -- I don't care how much she apologized and so forth. She REALLY showed how petty she can be and just WHERE Cavil gets HIS petty, mean side.

All her forgiveness and compassion with Cavil looks mighty hollow, now, even with how she's acting now that she's seeing the consequences of her actions... Any rational person could have foreseen such consequences unless they let the most base emotions overwhelm them, which she did.
Jeff

Should be very interesting to see what a heavily armed all-girl militia led by Gaius Baltar ends up doing, lol...
That's something I'd rather not see, but it looks like it's gonna happen. Why can't they leave that shite for the comic books? :D I knew what was coming as soon as I saw the writing credits at the beginning: Jane Epinepherine.

They seemed to uncork a couple of comic relief lines tonight, but it was an awful ep IMO. My favorite scene:

Baltar: Ladies, show these gentlemen we're armed.
Dude: Ours are bigger.

That was funny.

... The way they REALLY avoided any kind of action or pretty much anything that required special effects tonight (and for the most part, the last couple of episodes), I figure they must be REALLY SAVING UP for a BIG FINISH!
JeffThere's been a sublime 15 to 30 seconds of pure cream CGI in every episode so far this season. For instance last week, a Raptor carrying Lee with a landing up close, POV from outside, perfectly matted live action in the cockpit, believable physics of motion and reaction. Then this week's entourage of Vipers following Sharon's Raptor POV starting with a heat flare from behind. So many shots from other seasons began feeling "stock" in that quasi hand-held cam approach. But just these past episodes the quality and approach in POV has taken a qualitative step up. The show's always been eye candy, but someone in the CGI department this last half season is really showing off their stuff.

The baby died...Anders regained consciousness...related? Maybe the baby was a mini-resurrection chamber so to speak and his consciousness had to come back.

I thought about that, too -- what if Anders regains consciousness either fully aware with ALL his memories -- and/or, even more interesting, with the knowledge and memories of Caprica's unborn/dead baby? And I feel certain the two events are somehow related.

I thought about that, too -- what if Anders regains consciousness either fully aware with ALL his memories -- and/or, even more interesting, with the knowledge and memories of Caprica's unborn/dead baby? And I feel certain the two events are somehow related.

Liam downloads into sanders? That would be interesting, sanders was an empty shell very little brain activity, but you got to believe he is still in there.

I loved how Ellen is still... Ellen. There's something to be said for character consistency that Tim Kring (showrunner for 'Heroes') could learn. Core personality and motivations need to remain consistent and believable throughout the character's evolution through their role. Tonight we learn that Ellen Tigh has always been a manipulative, vamping bitch, and just because she's 2k years old and resurrected doesn't mean the whole Cylon race shouldn't still dance to her tune. Priceless! :D

I loved how Ellen is still... Ellen. There's something to be said for character consistency that Tim Kring (showrunner for 'Heroes') could learn. Core personality and motivations need to remain consistent and believable throughout the character's evolution through their role. Tonight we learn that Ellen Tigh has always been a manipulative, vamping bitch, and just because she's 2k years old and resurrected doesn't mean the whole Cylon race shouldn't still dance to her tune. Priceless! :D

I DO like Ellen's great degree of complexity, though, Groucho (by the way, do you ever play with your mustache?) :p What I mean by that is that some characters are played so FLAT. Cavil is a good example of that -- he's pretty much PURE EVIL, essentially NO redeeming qualities. He just wants to do two things: Kill all the humans and control all the Cylons... Well, and a third thing -- become less human and more machine...

Ellen, on the other hand, is a VERY COMPLEX emotional being. While she showed a great deal of jealousy and vindictiveness tonight, she also showed a tremendous amount of regret, compassion, love and warmth. She truly DOES have the capacity to be a very warm, loving, nurturing being, but like MOST people, she's a creature of dualities, of yin and yang, and that makes her infinitely more interesting and also more intriguing as it makes it much more difficult to predict what she'll do next -- will she still decide to leave the fleet, or will she decide to stay?

As always, I can't wait to see... Also can't wait to see just WHY Caprica is going to want to see Boomer tried for treason... I can't possibly see how it could be for what she did when her "switch" just went on. I can't imagine it could be for bringing Ellen into the fleet. IF it turns out she led Cavil to them by bringing Ellen, and they have suspicions it was deliberate, THAT would be grounds for Treason.

Should be interesting to see what happens next week.
Jeff

Perhaps its because she's guilty of treason, by siding with Cavil against the other 8's.

Perhaps its because she's guilty of treason, by siding with Cavil against the other 8's.

I don't really see that, since that was sort of a democratic vote, and although they WERE pretty much voting by model number, and she was the sole 8 who voted against her Model's wishes, I'm not sure you could call that treason -- especially when she risked everything to save Ellen and bring her back to Gallactica.

Could be siding with Cavil, but I think it has to be something else.
Jeff

I don't really see that, since that was sort of a democratic vote, and although they WERE pretty much voting by model number, and she was the sole 8 who voted against her Model's wishes, I'm not sure you could call that treason -- especially when she risked everything to save Ellen and bring her back to Gallactica.

Could be siding with Cavil, but I think it has to be something else.
Jeff

I know its a stretch, but she went against her own model number, Cylon democracy is all models vote as one, she broke with that, She also made war on her own, why would Caprica care about her blowing away Adama, what other reason is there. Its got to be one or the other?

I thought this episode was good. Not great like every other episode of 4.5...just good. It was just a huge amount of set-up, and to be honest, after last week's information download, it was a nice respite.

I liked everything with Tigh and Ellen and Caprica. The one thing that didn't really work for me was Baltar and his flock. Or rather, Adama giving Baltar and his flock guns. I guess it could be because Adama's now carrying Tigh's flask, but that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I guess we'll see how it plays out next week.

I too thought that there's a connection between the baby and Anders. Don't know what, but there does seem to be something.

I do want to know how Ellen found the fleet though. Is it possible that they simply tracked the Basestar? Maybe Cavil and company know where they are as well, but without resurrection, they don't want to take on the Galactica just yet. Sort of like when they had destroyed the resurrection ship back in season 2 and they stopped attacking them full-on.

And the fifth, still in shadow, will claw toward the light, hungering for redemption that will only come in the howl of terrible suffering.

I wonder if the events of this episode have anything to do with this 'prophecy?'

It was truly heartbreaking to see Saul and Caprica go through that. Saul seemed to be truly happy for the first time, since, probably ever.

The one thing that didn't really work for me was Baltar and his flock. Or rather, Adama giving Baltar and his flock guns. I guess it could be because Adama's now carrying Tigh's flask, but that didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I guess we'll see how it plays out next week.

IT does seem WAY odd. However, I can kind of fill in the reasoning, which apparently was flushed out more to Lee & Laura off screen. Apparently, the civilians on Galactica, and probably throughout the fleet, are feeling helpless. Their Quorum is gone, the people in charge of protecting them are turning to cylons for help, and ruffians are terrorizing the essentially helpless people. Baltar's people have shown themselves to be reasonably peaceful in spite of harsh actions taken against them. They also seem to have garnered a degree of good will with many of the civilians on Galactica. Arming them may have the effect of forming a civilian defense force to prevent future mutinies and/or uprisings along with providing the peaceful civilians with a sense of power and security. "The way forward, once unthinkable, now inevitable..."

Maybe Cavil and company know where they are as well, but without resurrection, they don't want to take on the Galactica just yet.

That would be my guess. I certainly wouldn't want to take any chances, especially if there was a remote chance that Ellen was telling the truth about needing all 5 to rebuild resurrection. Attack the fleet, you run the risk of destroying your only chance of regaining immortality.

Did anyone catch the bartender's response when Starbuck asked about the piano?

One of the lines Adama said was food for thought on a number of levels. When thinking about Galactica and the Cylon goo: "She'll look the same on the outside---but on the inside she won't know what she is." That sounded like he was describing Starbuck as well as his ship.

Ellen seemed convinced that pure Cylon or pure Human wasn't the answer to the war between them, but Hera, as a blend, was truly the future. Both sides really need each other to survive.

Watching Adama and Roslin walking down the hall of memories and seeing the pictures of the Cylons who had died up there with those of the Colonies gave him the "it's already happening" moment. Just like Galactica needed a basestar to live.

I had to sleep on this episode. On first viewing, I was disappointed in what appeared to be a "waste" of one of the final five episodes....but there's a lot more in it than I originally thought.

Ellen seemed convinced that pure Cylon or pure Human wasn't the answer to the war between them, but Hera, as a blend, was truly the future. Both sides really need each other to survive.




I bet that's going to be the overall message of the series.

I bet that's going to be the overall message of the series.

^ That does seem to be where this is leading.

My memory is foggy on this, but there was a Jim Henson movie in the '80s called the Dark Crystal about two races of creatures that eventually found out they also needed to be one. Wonder if that was an influence.

They will become, one mongrel Cylon Human race!

In 4 episodes?

Watching Adama and Roslin walking down the hall of memories and seeing the pictures of the Cylons who had died up there with those of the Colonies gave him the "it's already happening" moment. Just like Galactica needed a basestar to live.

He meant that Galactica had already become an assimilated ship, no? As bad as Adama looks, sounds and behaves, I am beginning to wonder if he is the dying leader... Remember the pills? We could see a scene sometime where Doc Cottle dispenses them to him. Where are Helo, Athena and Hera? We haven't seen them since the insurrection have we? And finally, that Boomer is some navigator. No problems finding Galactica, huh? I'm starting to side with Palladin, they are moving way too fast and some of the story lines (Baltar) seem forced. They could have unfolded this end story more effectively. In any case, put me down for a Blu-ray set!

They will become, one mongrel Cylon Human race!

In 4 episodes?

Well they better get on with the frak'n...:)

On the baby...I also wondered if it died because Ellen called out Tigh on loving the ship more...and he does ...and when that was true... the baby could not survive.

I think Adama gave Baltar's Girls guns so because he thinks in general they are not a threat and when the sh#t goes down they can protect themselves...I also think they is a "lawlessness/protect thyself/vigilantism " angle

But of course I also think they are also being set up to be a tribe, They got food, guns, a collection of people, lot-o-chics to be impregnated all they need is a ship.

Ellen seemed convinced that pure Cylon or pure Human wasn't the answer to the war between them, but Hera, as a blend, was truly the future. Both sides really need each other to survive.

Watching Adama and Roslin walking down the hall of memories and seeing the pictures of the Cylons who had died up there with those of the Colonies gave him the "it's already happening" moment. Just like Galactica needed a basestar to live.


I think that's exactly right. Only by merging their two races can they hope to survive. If they stay separate, then they are doomed to just keep repeating the same cycle over again and again. It's inevitable. I think the message is threefold: 1) Humans have certain inherent weaknesses of character - trust issues, if you will - that they have passed down to their mechanical creations, and 2) Those who do not learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them, and 3) There exists the potential to change if the distinctions and fears that keep us apart can be overcome. In other words, hope springs eternal.

I'm not sure I'm down with the theory that the youngling died because Saul didn't love Caprica as much as he loved Ellen or his human life with Adama and the fleet. That just seems a little too metaphysical even for this show. :p

Other great line...Saul "Grandpa was a power station"

power SANDER

Mo Ryan's interview with Jane Espenson about this episode (with Newark Star-Ledger's Alan Sepinwall tagging along) is already up: http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-deadlock-jane-espenson.html#more

power SANDER

Great grandpa was a power sander.

The baby dies because Saul didn't truly love Caprica and/or the baby more than the ship. Throughout the entire episdoe they made a point of stressing that the fact that Saul could not get Ellen pregnant was because he bever TRULY loved her. He was able to get 6 preggers because he did love her. When he chose the ship over her the light was extinguished.

It appears that before Cylons can breed they need to learn how to love.....a very human emotion. Spock would not like this latest development.

I've got mixed feelings about last night's ep, and won't be able to resolve them until another viewing. To a large extent it was redundant, almost like a 'compilation' episode for the uninitiated, in which many of the themes introduced over the course of the series were being repeated unnecessarily. Baltar's self-aggrandizement for power (food supplies, weaponry and troops) as well as the blatant sexual motivation decrying his actions; the bickering and power plays among the fantastic five reemphasizing how flawed and (dare I say it, human) the cylons have become, coupled with Cottle's line of the evening "Just don't anybody unplug anything"; the attack on Six, etc. that as a whole, for me, undermined much of the impact.

The genuine saving grace in the whole thing, not surprisingly, was the completely believable love that Adama had for HIS ship and its 'cargo', to protect it at any cost, despite his disgust at integrating cylon technology to preserve it ("Is this alive?), offset by the great affection and friendship he shared with Saul, which subsumed any consideration of whether one was human or cylon.

And yes, the scene with Roslyn at the now 'shared' memorial for the 'blended' dead was both touching and powerful due to suble delivery of both these fine actors.

Well, those are just preliminary observations, and I do need to re-watch the ep. But I must offer up a confession. For most of this series, my concentration tended to focus on Starbuck, but now as we head into the twilight, I can honestly say I don't really give a damn 'what' she is, other than the bait that helped keep me glued to four seasons of this unique series. :cool:

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

........... Where are Helo, Athena and Hera? We haven't seen them since the insurrection have we? ................

Helo is stuck on Dollhouse:D

baltar reminds me of cornelius/roddy mcdowell from planet of the apes.

Addendum:

After finishing my post, I saw that the interview with Jane Espenson was now up, and that it indicates that this was her last episode for BSG. I, for one, consider this great news, indeed. :)

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

^^^ But not-so-great news for "Caprica" since Espenson is expected to take over the writing room when Ron Moore gets the show off the ground. Can't wait for 'Days of Our Resurrection,' 'Guiding Beacon,' 'The Young (Heda) and the Restless (Cavill)' and/or 'All My Cylon' soap opera-type shows from Jane when she takes over as "Caprica" head writer. ;)

Addendum:

After finishing my post, I saw that the interview with Jane Espenson was now up, and that it indicates that this was her last episode for BSG. I, for one, consider this great news, indeed. :)


Ugh, after reading that interview I'm glad they cut what they did, and am very glad Jane's writing won't be making another appearance. It does seems she's always on the writing credits when the worst \ slow \ unbelievable \ jarbled shows hit.

The whole baltar episode should have been cut because it made no sense unless you read her context, and even then my guess is her scene with adama was cut because it was horribly written and jarbled:

Q:Why would Adama -- with Roslin and Lee's apparent agreement -- give Baltar's fringe faction lots of large guns? I know Adama hasn't been himself lately, but this seems like a bad idea.

A:Adama is having trouble maintaining order on the ship. He lost a lot of marines during the mutiny. If he doesn't get some sort of force that can keep the civilians under control, he will have to consider using Centurions from the base ship, and he fears a civilian insurrection if he did so. Baltar says that this is the last human solution, and Adama has to agree.

I mean you could deduct that after some serious thought, but when I first saw it all I could think of was how uncharacteristic it was of Adama. Saving his ship with help, sure that's him. Giving Baltar weapons, after the nuke incident? Come on lady, do you even remember the last 3 seasons?

^^^ But not-so-great news for "Caprica" since Espenson is expected to take over the writing room when Ron Moore gets the show off the ground. Can't wait for 'Days of Our Resurrection,' 'Guiding Beacon,' 'The Young (Heda) and the Restless (Cavill)' and/or 'All My Cylon' soap opera-type shows from Jane when she takes over as "Caprica" head writer. ;)From this preview clips, Caprica would seem to be much more of a dialogue driven soap-opera than BSG. Espenson's style may be more appropriate.

And let's not forget that it was Ron Moore himself who was pushing for the soapy aspects of the Roslin/Adama relationship. He's said himself that if Eick hadn't kept talking him out of it he would have those two hitting the sack years earlier. :p I don't know why all the hatin' on Jane. Her stuff is part of the show's DNA, and her contributions probably second only to Moore. That said, I would probably agree with Michael that her style may be ideally suited for the more "talky" and less action-oriented 'Caprica'. But it's still going to be Moore that establishes the thematic focus and direction of that series. He's still going to be The Man.

And let's not forget that it was Ron Moore himself who was pushing for the soapy aspects of the Roslin/Adama relationship. He's said himself that if Eick hadn't kept talking him out of it he would have those two hitting the sack years earlier. :p
Why would that be a problem? I thought their relationship worked well and progressed in a manner that seemed appropriate for the two respective senior leaders of the remaining human race

I don't know why all the hatin' on Jane. Her stuff is part of the show's DNA.
She's in the show's DNA? Well, that probably explains all the cracks and fissures cropping up in the ship :rolleyes: C'mon now, you know better. Sorry, but I'm on board with Dad and TyrantII on this one. Her interviews alone seem to telegraph 'Weakest Link'.

I was admittedly apprehensive about Caprica, if for no other reason than I always figured BSG for one helluva tough act to follow, but if Jane's the one primarily holding the reins, than you've only helped to raise my C & B concerns to the defcon 4 level. :(

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Palladin

Chance favors the prepared mind

Loved when Helen asked if anyone had a flask and ADAMA was the one who pulled one out, not Tigh! The look Roslin gave him was priceless!

Loved Cottle's "Just don't anyone unplug anything."

Really loved when Tigh came to Adama's quarters to tell him Liam was dead. Didn't even have to say it. Very moving scene.

Also loved the memorial wall. This was an episode of small moments, a counterpoint to the infodump from last week (which I also loved).

Had a thought: has anyone associated with the show intimated whether the skinjobs' cylons- the ones that nuked Earth 2,000 years ago- might still be around, and whether there might be a 3-way battle between them, Cavil's cylons, and Galactica? The mind boggles...

I mean you could deduct that after some serious thought, but when I first saw it all I could think of was how uncharacteristic it was of Adama. Saving his ship with help, sure that's him. Giving Baltar weapons, after the nuke incident? Come on lady, do you even remember the last 3 seasons?
Yeah, Lee is a civilian quorum member without portfolio now. Lee could have headed up a new civilian security force; I could accept that. There are any number of other people I could also see in that role. But these starry-eyed 20-year-old groupies led by the King of Fools armed to the teeth without any training? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

My fingers are crossed that they get the ending "right". I'm very disappointed in this latest episode. When you've only got 5 left and you waste one... not a good sign.

Yeah, Lee is a civilian quorum member without portfolio now.

I think Lee is officially vice president, now.

I think Lee is officially vice president, now.

Actually, I think Lee is unofficially president again... Roslyn made it pretty clear, by implication, that's what she wants him to be last week... But it's like NOBODY has done ANYTHING "official" yet, like NONE of them have any sense of direction -- at least nobody except Baltar, who seems to be, as usual, making it up as he goes along as to whatever plays best for HIM...

When he first returned and realized how much POWER had shifted to Paula, he was quite concerned. While many of the women still flocked around him, it was quite clear that Paula wanted no part of him, and saw his as basically someone who had "left them to the wolves," so to speak, and had come back after they'd figured out how to get along on their own to reap the rewards and probably figure out a way to take the credit, BUT since so many of the women were still fawning all over him, she put up with it... THEN when he made a BIG SHOW out of sharing their food with the poor and hungry in "dogtown," there was NO WAY she could stand him down (he'd effectively found a way to take control away from her again, by showing himself to be "the benevolent leader" again, and she pretty much HAD TO play along, even though she REALLY didn't want to).

BUT when the Male Gang stole all their food with BIGGER GUNS, Baltar looked like a REAL IDIOT and was in bigger danger than ever of losing ALL respect and control of his group... By convincing Adama that his group of otherwise meek and peace-loving ladies would be the ideal "peacekeepers" to heavily arm, he was able to keep Paula from mounting a full-blown mutiny against him, which she was VISIBLY working on when his "head-Six" helped him out with the speech he used prior to presenting the idea to the Adamas and Roslyn...

HOWEVER, nobody has mentioned, yet the LOOK, or the STANCE and POSITION of Paula after the arms were distributed. She was standing a couple paces IN FRONT of all the other ladies and had a VERY "I'll show YOU" look on her face. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she becomes a major threat/player against not only Baltar, but also possibly Gallactica... the Cylons... the Fleet? I just REALLY got the impression they're setting up Paula to be a more major player in the remaining few episodes -- or maybe briefly in a violent conflict.
Jeff

My fingers are crossed that they get the ending "right". I'm very disappointed in this latest episode. When you've only got 5 left and you waste one... not a good sign.

Agreed. This episode did little if anything to advance the plot, which with so few episodes left and so many questions still unanswered, ultimately wasted valuable space. It's not as if we still have season after season upon which to build... This show is wrappin up! Fingers crossed indeed.

Maybe I missed it (and I know not being clear was intentional) but not sure what the point of arming Gauis' Gals was, that one chick seems to be pretty militant. Are they supposed to be Adama's new militia with a conscience?




HOWEVER, nobody has mentioned, yet the LOOK, or the STANCE and POSITION of Paula after the arms were distributed. She was standing a couple paces IN FRONT of all the other ladies and had a VERY "I'll show YOU" look on her face. I wouldn't be at all surprised if she becomes a major threat/player against not only Baltar, but also possibly Gallactica... the Cylons... the Fleet? I just REALLY got the impression they're setting up Paula to be a more major player in the remaining few episodes -- or maybe briefly in a violent conflict.
Jeff

I agree...did mention it too just in a really short form...

I agree I think they/she is going to play a bit of a vigilante / militia and is going to go out with a Bang...and then 1 of two things Gaius goes out in a bang as collateral or he uses the violence to go back to the "commune style" as they head off into the sunset as a tribe.

Addendum:

After finishing my post, I saw that the interview with Jane Espenson was now up, and that it indicates that this was her last episode for BSG. I, for one, consider this great news, indeed. :)

Yup. Looks like I spoke too soon about her getting the hang of BSG writing. A largely wasted episode with so few remaining. Seriously what the frak???

Liam downloads into sanders? That would be interesting, sanders was an empty shell very little brain activity, but you got to believe he is still in there.

I kinda hope so. Otherwise, that whole episode was a throwaway.

BTW, it is Anders, not "sanders". Sander was Saul's grampa, as others have already joked on top of Tigh's joke.

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As for handing guns to Baltar's Angels . . . Um, wow. That was as forced as they make 'em. Baltar comes in, basically says, "You know your plan to integrate these Cylons? People are gonna freak out."

OK, OK... sure, we're with ya.

"Oh, and if you could provide automatic weapons to the people BEFORE they freak out, that would be superb!"

On the bright side, they are finally getting back to the show's last big question mark: Head Six.

"Head Six" is my favorite. ;)

"Head Six" is my favorite. ;)

True, but aren't she and Caprica Six two versions of the same Six? One coporeal and one in his head?

But they physical Six seems clueless, whereas the Head Six seems to be in on the entire cosmic plan/joke.

A largely wasted episode with so few remaining. Seriously what the frak???

It was a character piece without a doubt (one the I mostly liked). But I've seen several people say it was a waste when it was anything but. It felt like it was a whole lot of set-up for the final 4 episodes. Ellen returned. Boomer returned. Head Six returned. Chief has finally made up his mind on where he wants to be (ever since he found out he's a cylon he's been kind of on the fence...nice to see him choose a side). Liam died. Anders is back (or something). We saw just how integrated the cylons have become (flying cap/goop/pictures on wall). Adama's on the edge. And Baltar's cult got armed. That last one still doesn't work for me, but we'll see how it's played out.

True, but aren't she and Caprica Six two versions of the same Six? One coporeal and one in his head?


I don't think they are one in the same. She did happen to appear when Caprica died, and she has used her memories, but I'd say she's something much more than that and her appearance may be just that...something Baltar can relate to. Of course I could be completely off. :p

I'm tempted to stop watching now since there is a Blu-Ray box set coming out on July 28.

Then I can watch the whole thing all over again like it's brand new.:D

power SANDER


The line is, "great grandpa was a power sander".

You guys are CRACKIN' ME UP (or is it FRAKIN' me up???) :p Not really sure I'd know the difference at this point...

Do we know if the Caprica that had "Head Baltar" is still alive? At one point I thought it was the one who ended up with Tigh, but there have been so many come and go at this point it's hard to keep up.

Do we know if the Caprica that had "Head Baltar" is still alive? At one point I thought it was the one who ended up with Tigh, but there have been so many come and go at this point it's hard to keep up.There's only one "Caprica Six", named that by the Cylons for her historic contribution to the downfall of humanity. She is the one that ended up with Tigh. Perhaps "Head Baltar" will return, now that her situation with Tigh seems unclear.

I see. So she IS "the one." I thought she was, but I wasn't sure. I don't remember how she ended up being the only #6 they had in the brig back in the day when Tigh got in the habit of regular "interrogations" that evolved into something different. I DO seem to remember, however, that during that time, while HE was hallucinating Ellen through HER, She was having "Head Baltar" episodes while Tigh was with her.

All this can get really confusing sometimes, but that's part of what makes it fun, I think.
Jeff

I hope we get a final answer on the origin of the #6 in Baltar's head before the end of the series!

It was a character piece without a doubt (one the I mostly liked). But I've seen several people say it was a waste when it was anything but. It felt like it was a whole lot of set-up for the final 4 episodes.
In traditional storytelling (I'm thinking literature here) the big climactic moments come before the very end of the book. In a more traditional setting we would already have seen the final reveals and be winding down with the wrapping up of all the loose ends. Granted, TV is different because TV needs the grand finale to keep everyone interested, but having said that, with 90% of the BSG Re-Imagined saga complete, and only 5 episodes to go in the entire series now is not the time to be setting things up. We've been setting things up for over 3 years now.

New characters and a focus on tangential plot elements aren't at all what I expect for the last handful of episodes. I actually am intrigued by New Paula, but not here and not now. I feel the same way about Daniel. If we never see him or hear his name again, that's fine with me. We've been introduced to a lot of people - living, dead, and historical - and events and we've been wondering how it all fits together. It should be time to show the audience how, in fact, the pieces do fit together; not a time to add new pieces to the puzzle.

I don't think they are one in the same. She did happen to appear when Caprica died, and she has used her memories, but I'd say she's something much more than that and her appearance may be just that...something Baltar can relate to. Of course I could be completely off. :p

Let's hope this is one of the many loose ends they tie up in the next 4 (4?!!!) eps. She seems to share all of their memories together, but so would any 6 that has resurrected since Caprica6 first resurrected.

I see. So she IS "the one." I thought she was, but I wasn't sure. I don't remember how she ended up being the only #6 they had in the brig back in the day when Tigh got in the habit of regular "interrogations" that evolved into something different.

She came over with Athena when she took her daughter back from the Cylons. She was sick, the Cylons couldn't care for her, and Boomer was about to kill her. So she and Caprica 6 took her and came over to Galactica. (remember when Athena had Helo shoot her so she'd resurrect?)

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

Ya dint like the two part mutiny? This last episode could have better without the Baltar Cult, but the others have been stellar IMO.

I love space battles and wish there were more, but its a small percentage of what this shows all about. The big fight is coming, and I think theres going to be only one, there will be no reserve once it starts, its going to be decisive, I cant wait.

I like watching "He That Believeth in me" for a space battle fix "The Hub" was another.

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

:rolleyes:

Yeah, Lee is a civilian quorum member without portfolio now. Lee could have headed up a new civilian security force; I could accept that. There are any number of other people I could also see in that role. But these starry-eyed 20-year-old groupies led by the King of Fools armed to the teeth without any training? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

My fingers are crossed that they get the ending "right". I'm very disappointed in this latest episode. When you've only got 5 left and you waste one... not a good sign.
+1. This ep was mostly a waste with very little time left. I don't understand the Baltar thing at all, especially given the history between him and Adama/Roslyn. The rest was just an exposition on how the Cylons are just as screwed up as the humans and that they need each other, which we already knew.

I amazed that Adama/Roslyn didn't ask Boomer how she found them on the spot when she arrived.

I am a bit confused, and did not pay enough attention to the timeframes during the last two episodes...

Ellen clearly downloaded prior to the recent Cylon Civil-War where the Resurrection Hub was destroyed, ~ three months ago - right?

When did she and Boomer begin looking for the Fleet? Could they have been chasing after them a while?

v/r,
C-F

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

Yet you keep watching. lol

I am a bit confused, and did not pay enough attention to the timeframes during the last two episodes...

Ellen clearly downloaded prior to the recent Cylon Civil-War where the Resurrection Hub was destroyed, ~ three months ago - right?

When did she and Boomer begin looking for the Fleet? Could they have been chasing after them a while?

v/r,
C-F

Ellen downloaded 18 months ago right after Tigh poisoned her. The episode with her on the baseship ("No Exit") was to catch us up on what happened with her over the past 18 months. As far as I know, it's not clear when they left and how much time passed before they found the fleet. Since that was the end of the episode and the Raptor arrived at the beginning of the following episode, it seems to me that all this happened in the present time.

Edit: According to Wikipedia, Ellen and Boomer escaped two days prior.

mchale on "the soup" was goofing on "the bachelor" & he mentioned the chix there as "the 3 cylons". :D

I am a bit confused, and did not pay enough attention to the timeframes during the last two episodes...

Ellen clearly downloaded prior to the recent Cylon Civil-War where the Resurrection Hub was destroyed, ~ three months ago - right?

When did she and Boomer begin looking for the Fleet? Could they have been chasing after them a while?


Ellen downloaded into her "new" body as soon as she died by Saul's hand on New Caprica. She's been on Cavell's basestar ever since under something that's probably close to house arrest. And then she was sprung by Boomer. Boomer knew where the fleet was or was able to find it, and jumped the hijacked Raptor there. Did Cavell let them escape as a way of finding the fleet? My guess is yes.

All of this expostion in the last couple of episodes that has so terribly disappointed some of us is intended to set things up for the endgame. There's a complicated mythology that has gotten the show to this point and some of it just has to be explained rather than shown. There isn't time or money to show everything I'm sure they'd like. Lest anyone forget, this is primarily an action/adventure show, and I'm sure there will be plenty of that coming up. The lack of "space battles" (amazing that after all this time, some people still think that's what the show is or should be all about :rolleyes:) and other heavy vfx means they can marshall their resources for what will no doubt be a fireworks-filled finale. Sometimes it's easy to forget that this is a cablenet show with a budget far more limited than a Big Four network show. And it's not just raw dollars. They also work under timeframes that are shorter, which means they have to edit, score, integreate CGI and post an episode more quickly than Big Four shows, and this is a very complex show to put together. If you listen to Moore's podcasts, he talks about those pressures. They do an amazing job with what they have; it's mind-boggling really. Sometimes people forget that.

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

i dvr both shows so i watch star wars: the clone wars after galactica....the action in clones makes up for any missing in galactica.

for example the light saber battle between asajj ventress against anakin & kenobi the other week was amazing.

All of this expostion in the last couple of episodes that has so terribly disappointed some of us is intended to set things up for the endgame. There's a complicated mythology that has gotten the show to this point and some of it just has to be explained rather than shown. There isn't time or money to show everything I'm sure they'd like.
My disappointment in "Deadlock" has more to do with the lack of explanation rather than a lack of space battles or slick FX. For instance, Tory declares, "We're not leaving with only some of the Final 5. It's either all of you stay or all of you come with us. You have to vote and the vote will be binding on all of you."

Where the frak did that come from? Who died and left her boss? Why is it unacceptable for the FF to split up? (And Tigh later on says "frak that" anyway.) Why all of a sudden are the FF bound by some make-it-up-on-the-spot rule? It sounded more like a pact 6th graders make when their clique decides they don't like some of the other kids.

I have nothing against exposition. We need more of it at this late stage of the game. I completely understand they don't have the budget to show everything on-screen. If you read one of the recent Jane Epererseson interviews, she explicitly discounts that angle which insults my intelligence, quite frankly; I know there are severe budgetary constraints they have to work within.

My biggest gripe - and "gripe" is maybe too strong of a word to describe it - is there seems to be no coherency. Entropy in the different storylines going on should be decreasing, not continuing to go up as it has. There are more questions being raised every week than answers for the dozens of questions we already have. It's vaguely disturbing.

I was under the impression that Majority Rules has generally been the Cylon way of making decisions. I guess maybe that started with the original 5 and then continued with the Known Seven. I got the impression that's what happened on New Caprica when Cavil obviously wanted to exterminate the Humans, but was opposed by at least the 3/Leoban/6/8's who wanted to shepherd the remaining human.

Until Boomer changed her individual vote to break the apparent 3-3 tie (D'Anna being boxed at this point), the models seemed to vote as a Model line rather than individuals. Of course that division led to the revolt with Cylons killing Cylons by way of Centurions and then the Cylon Civil War.

+1. This ep was mostly a waste with very little time left. I don't understand the Baltar thing at all, especially given the history between him and Adama/Roslyn. The rest was just an exposition on how the Cylons are just as screwed up as the humans and that they need each other, which we already knew.

I generally try to reserve judgment on this sort of thing until I've seen the entire "finished product." It sort of reminds me of the folks who say they walked out of a movie halfway through because it was "so bad" or "didn't make sense," and then I see the movie and watch it all the way through, only to discover that all the pieces come together VERY NICELY and with great irony and/or clarity (or something) at, or very near the end, and had those with little patience only stuck it out, they would have seen this.

The old saying "You can't judge a book by its cover" applies equally in that you can't judge a series by single episodes, and while I agree that on the surface it APPEARS there were some rather ODD choices made in an episode this close to the series finale, we may find RDM and company had very good/compelling reasons for them...

If, on the other hand, four weeks from now new elements such as all the time spent with "Baltar and his all-girl band" just DON'T "pay off" as far as the series goes, I think THEN we can berate them ad infinitum.

As for Jane Espenson, I've never been much of one to keep up with who the writers are on a show. HOWEVER, when I first found the Webisodes "Face of the Enemy" online (at week 9, so I got to watch the first 9 all at once), it took me a while to figure out how to watch UNenhance episodes, and the first couple I watched were "enhanced" episodes, with commentary by Espenson voicing over the dialogue to the point you really couldn't hear what the characters were saying. I have to say I REALLY wasn't impressed with either WHAT she had to say (except for her one comment about what a great actress Grace Park is), OR how she sounded -- she came off, to me, as a whiny, wishy-washy, sort of mamby-pamby person who doesn't really seem to know what she's about, just in her TONE... Considering I really DON'T know the woman, that's probably not fair. It's just an impression from hearing her voice, but NOW based on the fact that some of you have implied that most of her history is writing SOAP OPERAS, I'm thinking my impression might have been fairly correct.
Jeff

Ellen downloaded into her "new" body as soon as she died by Saul's hand on New Caprica. She's been on Cavell's basestar ever since under something that's probably close to house arrest. And then she was sprung by Boomer. Boomer knew where the fleet was or was able to find it, and jumped the hijacked Raptor there. Did Cavell let them escape as a way of finding the fleet? My guess is yes.

All of this expostion in the last couple of episodes that has so terribly disappointed some of us is intended to set things up for the endgame. There's a complicated mythology that has gotten the show to this point and some of it just has to be explained rather than shown. There isn't time or money to show everything I'm sure they'd like. Lest anyone forget, this is primarily an action/adventure show, and I'm sure there will be plenty of that coming up. The lack of "space battles" (amazing that after all this time, some people still think that's what the show is or should be all about :rolleyes:) and other heavy vfx means they can marshall their resources for what will no doubt be a fireworks-filled finale. Sometimes it's easy to forget that this is a cablenet show with a budget far more limited than a Big Four network show. And it's not just raw dollars. They also work under timeframes that are shorter, which means they have to edit, score, integreate CGI and post an episode more quickly than Big Four shows, and this is a very complex show to put together. If you listen to Moore's podcasts, he talks about those pressures. They do an amazing job with what they have; it's mind-boggling really. Sometimes people forget that.

As someone who also really loves this show probably as much as you dude, I've gotta disagree. Yes there are certainly people who were originally drawn to this show because of the vfx and space battles, but I'm betting many of them also stayed for plenty of other reasons as well, including the drama, politics, and numerous other issues that resonate with our own lives. I'm sure Time, Newsweek and Rolling Stone weren't in it just for the fireworks.

The fact of the matter is they were able to pull a comprehensible drama together, with or without as much of a budget as they might like for 4 years now, and maintain a top quality program despite the odds. Why not NOW, when those loyals viewers here, are waiting to see it wrapped up with the type of mythic conclusion its been positing itself for after all this time.

I don't really give a rat's ass what RDM (or David or Jane, for that matter), have to say in self-serving interviews. What, you think they're too pure to cover their asses with a little BS? C'mon now.

AFAIC, until there is some extremely compelling information sans BS to explain the mess their creating at the very end, I (and I doubt I'm alone on this) feel like I'm getting my chain pulled. And as far as I can tell, its because the resouces that created this little gem have invested their hearts, minds and monetary concerns into an entity called 'Caprica', and I guess they realized they had reached the end of this particular cash cow, after the auction was held. Wait a sec, its the phone.....What's that Ron..oh sure. Hey guys, that was RDM . He asked me to tell you "Thanks for the use of the Hall, and he hopes we all buy the comic book to find out the real end of the story. :mad:

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Well, I'm just going to go with Jeff here and say we're probably better off waiting until the final die has been cast before rendering judgment on how they're approaching the endgame. I said months ago that no matter what happens, no matter how they wrap things up and explain the show's mythology, there are going to be folks who are going to say it just didn't measure up to the picture they created in their minds. In other words, you can't satisfy everyone everytime. Everybody is not going to be happy. (But the people who watch just for the space battles will probably be overjoyed 'cause you know there's a doozy coming.) I just thought it would take a little longer before the bellyachin' began. ;)

...some of you have implied that most of her history is writing SOAP OPERAS...You should know that that implication isn't actually true. Looking at her writing credits at IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0260870/#writer), she hasn't actually written any soap opera at all (unless you count a couple of episodes of Gilmore Girls and an episode of The OC). Most of her credits have been in science fiction and fantasy, include 23 episodes of Buffy, 2 episodes of Angel, and one episode each of Firefly, ST: DS9 and Eureka. She's written some sitcom, some crime drama and some stuff for animation (The Batman and Dinosaurs).

Her writing for BSG has been kind of slow paced and melodramatic, but I did like The Face of the Enemy web series.

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All of this expostion in the last couple of episodes that has so terribly disappointed ... Sometimes people forget that.First, thanks.

Second, Errr... <slides over to the side of the room who were fascinated with the last episode/>
Not sure I care if it addressed the closure of the series, as I was completely caught up in the episode.
I was disappointed [edit: in the character Ellen not the writers/reasoning] that Final-Five-Ellen was Helen Colonial-Ellen in all aspects of personality and character.
Can't say I been there with Commander Tigh, but I've been to a close neighborhood and it was just as dicey...

Edit: Sorry, got confused and thought one of them was Helen...

v/r,
C-F

Well, I'm just going to go with Jeff here and say we're probably better off waiting until the final die has been cast before rendering judgment on how they're approaching the endgame.
An excellent choice under the circumstances! :p


I said months ago that no matter what happens, no matter how they wrap things up and explain the show's mythology, there are going to be folks who are going to say it just didn't measure up to the picture they created in their minds. In other words, you can't satisfy everyone. Everybody is not going to be happy. I just thought it would take a little longer before the bellyachin' began. ;)
Well, it is kind of a no-lose generalization. You could have said it 3 years ago and had an equal chance of being correct. So I can't say its a huge surprise. ;) But that begs the issue. There's a damn good reason for the 'bellyachin' to start, and that's because we're getting down to the wire and we're seeing relatively little progress taking place. Instead, as I noted previously, we're getting more along the line of a BSG Take II. See, I've got this weird notion that if a story doesn't seem to be going anywhere, other than regurgutating the same themes,we've already heard for 4 years, its not something's wrong at the moment, and its not exactly entertainment. What, the final episode is going to be so INCREDIBLY amazing that it will make up for the shortcomings of the few episodes before it. It could be the greatest ending ever told. Does that make it okay to drop the ball on the 4 or 5 preceding eps?

Let me put this another way. When you get home to your wife or loved one after a hard day of work, and they want to tell you some tedious story you've already heard several times before in different variations, do you console yourself by saying "But, yeah, at some point there's going to be a great ending", when it runs counter to your experience?

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

Did you even watch the 2 mutiny episodes??? Anything but boring. Two of the best episodes I've ever seen on any show.

Who's Helen?

OTOH, I didn't dislike this episode at all except for some of the Baltar stuff arming the women. I actually liked him wanting to feed the masses. The Six/Tigh/Ellen plot and Originall 5 I thought was quite interesting though I'm not sure I understand Tyrol's change in heart.

Of course, I actually liked the extended episode of the Boxing Match and several of the so called Bottle episodes other than Black Market. The latter would have even been fine had it integrated more overall, but it is one of the only episodes that didn't really seem to add a lot to anything that came before or afterwards.

Of course, I actually liked the extended episode of the Boxing Match and several of the so called Bottle episodes other than Black Market. The latter would have even been fine had it integrated more overall, but it is one of the only episodes that didn't really seem to add a lot to anything that came before or afterwards.

I actually didn't mind "Black Market" even though it's roundly criticized amongst the BSG literati as one of the show's low points. There's always an underground economy, no matter the relative health or dysfunction of the larger society, and I thought it was a noble effort to portray an aspect of fleet life that we don't normally see. A lot of the bottle episodes were like that. And there weren't nearly enough of them for Moore, who has often lamented the lack of time that could be devoted to showing more of the day-to-day activities of the rest of the fleet - ordinary citizens just trying to get by while our heroes were engaged in their daring-do. And any episode that features the great Bill Duke - Bill frakkin' Duke, people! - can't be all bad. ;)

Yeah, I liked Black Market too. Maybe it didn't really advance the plot of the series, other than killing off the Pegasus officer, but taken on its own it was a good hour of TV.

Yeah, I liked Black Market too. Maybe it didn't really advance the plot of the series, other than killing off the Pegasus officer, but taken on its own it was a good hour of TV.

Yes, but this kind of analysis in a vacuum just begs the issue. Yes, Black market was one I enjoyed as well, but purely due to the presence of actor/director Bill Duke. But let's take a closer look at the overall situation at the time. Just prior to Black Market, what eps were we getting?

Ummmm, how about PEGASUS, RESURRESCTION SHIP PART 1, AND RESURRECTION SHIP PART 2. Oh, and after Black Market came SCAR. Putting aside the season, these were 4 of the very best eps in the whole damn series. Nice bookends for a 'bottle', eh?. Anyone want to make an argument on behalf of Season 4 against that competition. No, why not? How about that we were so much more satisfied back in S2 that the one-off ep made little difference, because the overall quality didn't wane or offer half-baked excuses for itself. It didn't have to. But here we are in Season 4, with the climatic end coming real damn soon. Anything in the last month that is truly on a par with ANY of the four eps mentioned above??? No.

As I stated previously, I thought there were some very nice moments in Deadlock. But that is no substitute for BSG largely coasting on a story line(s) that have already been told during the preceding seasons. I rest my case.

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Chance favors the Prepared Mind

Everyone knows that bottle eps have their time in a season, but that time is not now. Especially after the info we got from Anders in the last show. This ep was not a significant plot advancer, IMO, with only 4 left.

Frak! Tough room. :p

Anything in the last month that is truly on a par with ANY of the four eps mentioned above??? No.

I guess I'd strongly disagree in that I think the last 3 episodes are all among the top 10 episodes of the entire series -- The Oath, Blood on the Scales, and No Exit. Blood on the Scales honestly may be the best single episode of the entire series.

But here we are in Season 4, with the climatic end coming real damn soon. Anything in the last month that is truly on a par with ANY of the four eps mentioned above??? No.

As I stated previously, I thought there were some very nice moments in Deadlock. But that is no substitute for BSG largely coasting on a story line(s) that have already been told during the preceding seasons. I rest my case.


No you don't. That's your opinion. Much like this is mine. I'm currently re-watching the series as we speak, and I just got done with the New Caprica arc. Yes, the Pegasus arc was great, but Black Market was just awful. Scar was good, but it was nothing compared to Downloaded, or the next 7/8 episodes which followed, which as a whole, were much better than the Pegasus arc.

You ask if anything in the last month was better than any of those 4 episodes, and, honestly, maybe (though if you go back further, the 4.5 premiere was probably better as well). The last few episodes aren't as fresh in my mind since I'm backtracking so I can't really say. But I have to say, neither season 1 nor season 2 were as interesting as season 4 has been. But I'm also one of those people who never got the love for 33. I mean, it's good, but I don't even think it's the best episode of season 1 (that's probably Flesh and Bone).

But back to Deadlocked...this sort of character piece is exactly what makes BSG great. You can say that this isn't what we need to see now, but for me, it fits perfectly. And as some of us have already said, because this episode was so much set-up, you can't judge it by itself without seeing what's to come. But more than that, this episode put all the pieces in place. And no, they weren't there before. I'd actually be pretty happy even if we don't see another battle since that's not why I started watching this show, and it certainly isn't why I keep watching.

Frak! Tough room. :p

Search your feelings, Dude...you know its true! :cool:

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Not reading this thing because of spoilers, but just watched the first four episodes of season 3 and loved nearly every minute of it. Really outstanding at times. Yeah, I knew baby Lee would save the day in his Battlestar, but I still had chills when it happened and got choked up at the end when father and son saw each other and when Admiral and XO saluted each other.

Damn, it sucks to know the season takes a nose dive for a while, but I'll deal with it. :)

One thing I am wondering is why we have only seen half of the twelve models at this point. It seems odd that we don't see any of the others. What's the reason? I hope there is a logical explanation for this somewhere along the road.

Damn, it sucks to know the season takes a nose dive for a while, but I'll deal with it. :)

I thought pretty much all of S-3 was strong. Which episodes were you disappointed with?

One thing I am wondering is why we have only seen half of the twelve models at this point. It seems odd that we don't see any of the others. What's the reason? I hope there is a logical explanation for this somewhere along the road.

Don't worry, there is. Patience.

I thought pretty much all of S-3 was strong. Which episodes were you disappointed with?


He hasn't seen it yet, but he has heard of the grumblings.

I thought most of season 3 was solid as well, with some of the best television I've seen anywhere strewn in there (like the first 5/6 episodes).

But it also had two of my least favourite episodes...A Day In the Life, and Woman King. They were the Black Market and Sacrifice of season 2. Thankfully season 4 has only had one of those...Sine Qua Non.

By the way, that scene with Tigh/Starbuck returning to Galactica is one of my all-time favourite moments of the show. Matt and I are at about the same place in season 3 since that's where I am on my re-watch.

You should know that that implication isn't actually true. Looking at her writing credits at IMDb (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0260870/#writer), she hasn't actually written any soap opera at all (unless you count a couple of episodes of Gilmore Girls and an episode of The OC). Most of her credits have been in science fiction and fantasy, include 23 episodes of Buffy, 2 episodes of Angel, and one episode each of Firefly, ST: DS9 and Eureka. She's written some sitcom, some crime drama and some stuff for animation (The Batman and Dinosaurs).

Her writing for BSG has been kind of slow paced and melodramatic, but I did like The Face of the Enemy web series.

{Foot in mouth} ALL of those shows (well, all the Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows) are ones I watched (in all cases but "Angel," I've seen every episode -- came to "Buffy" VERY late -- the "Musical" episode, and got HOOKED in just one episode and caught up via re-runs in less than a year). I have to say, I've really enjoyed all of those shows. DS9 was, to me, the BEST of the "Star Trek" franchise. I STILL didn't enjoy Espenson's narration. If I had, I would have gone back and watched the remaining 8 "enhanced Webisodes." But maybe she's a better writer than some are giving her credit for... It doesn't all come down to writer, anyway... No matter WHAT the writer writes, the PROCESS on a TV show is: Writer writes it, then the producer(s) and director get ahold of it and do whatever re-writes they WISH and then when they're shooting it, they do re-writes "on the fly" as it suits their fancy, and THEN when they're finished shooting, and they have 300 minutes of video/footage shot of a dozen different scenes shot five different ways they choose which of the five different ways they want to present each scene and/or they cut some scenes entirely, or cut parts of them so they can run longer versions of other scenes and/or cut parts of some scenes and extend some scenes, even if it means doing re-shoots -- it can be a very involved process... Of course if they anticipated all this when they were shooting, they shot both the long and short version of EVERY scene, so they have those options without reshooting anything (and that's where a lot of the re-writes came in).

Soooo, what the writer(s) originally wrote, and what ends up on the TV might have little resemblance to each other by the time we see it. The writer(s) STILL get all the credit/blame and pay for it -- SWG rules -- but they really have NO SAY over the final product UNLESS they also have the clout to have an "executive producer" credit. (Look at Jennifer Love Hewitt in "The Ghost Whisperer... I know she's not a writer, BUT now that it's a hit AND in its third season, she has both an Exec. Producer credit AND occasionally gets to DIRECT an episode -- creative control is THE NAME OF THE GAME.)
Jeff

True, but aren't she and Caprica Six two versions of the same Six? One coporeal and one in his head?

It is generally accepted that Head Six is some manifestation of, or agent of, the Cylon God. This is generally backed by the fact that baltar in one episode sees the character called Head Baltar. The consensus view is the Head characters are part of whatever force keeps driving all of these events.

Bear in mind that the story makes a plot point of the shear unlikeliness of all these characters ending up on this ship by accident.

Deathly boring this year. Talk, talk, talk....not even a decent space battle. No good sex scenes. Not even a decent bar fight.

It's a budget trick. You do what are called bottle episodes (so called because they occur in a limited space, a bottle) to save money.

Sci-fi shows are prone to bottling in order to save budget for big effects episodes. So, for every episode like the Season 4 opener or the attack on the resurrection ship, you gotta suffer a couple episodes that are thin on budget.

It is nothing more than the finer managerial art of making TV. I like to mention it, because I do think fans sometimes fail to appreciate this fact, and particularly how it influences individual episodes.

don't understand the Baltar thing at all, especially given the history between him and Adama/Roslyn.

I think I have a theory to explain why Bill and Laura would arm Baltar's Angels.

Perhaps Bill understands that he needs the Cylons to fix his ships. He needs their technology. But, he isn't really crazy about allowing them to run roughshod all through the fleet.

So, he falls back on our old friend, the Right to Bear Arms, in order to mitigate the Cylon presence. Sort of the way the American colonial government encouraged armed hillbillies on the Appalachian frontier. The government did that because they couldn't afford the manpower necessary to deal with the Indians, and they weren't in a position to push the Indians. So, instead they encouraged small militias as a hedge against Indian actions.

The only flaw with that theory is that it posits Baltar and Paula as space versions of Daniel Boone and Davy Crockett. But, what the hell! We propose all kinds of zany stuff in this thread.

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On the matter of Jane Epenson...

Have folks considered the possibility that she writes the bad episodes because she's taking one for the team?

Remember that Epenson is a co-producer and to some extent even a show runner with RDM and Eick committing time to new projects. In the process of assigning writers to episodes, it's very possible Epenson is treating her role as kind of a clean up hitter so as to maintain harmony.

It's just a guess, but considering that RDM has been promoting her for years, she has the blessing of the Godfather. I don't picture her getting that blessing if she outright sucked at her job.

OK, was little Adama in a fat suit in season 3? If so, that was a damn good fat suit.

yes he was in a fat suit!

OK, was little Adama in a fat suit in season 3? If so, that was a damn good fat suit.

Yup - fat suit.


Edit: Whoops, beat me to it.

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On the matter of Jane Epenson...

Have folks considered the possibility that she writes the bad episodes because she's taking one for the team?
Umm, probably not, because that doesn't really make a lot of sense. What 'one' exactly is she taking for the team? Giving half-assed interviews to a sycophantic TV critic? Spreading herself thin by working on two series at once which may be diluting the quality of the original series which is still on-air, and possibly its successor as well (though admittedly, my concerns do not revolve around whatever may happen to a sucessor?) You do understand how generalized your statement above is, and perhaps has to be under the circumstances?

Here's another possibility. Maybe she's taking on more than she can chew in the same mouthful, in order to justify her existence. Here's another possibility. Maybe RDM considers her the most expendable for certain purposes? Let me get this straight. She's so invaluable to BSG and the success of that series, that they're not having her write any of the very final scripts ???

I'd think that when you're coming down to ground zero, you'd want your point man/woman at the forefront, and not baking brownies for when the others return.

Remember that Epenson is a co-producer and to some extent even a show runner with RDM and Eick committing time to new projects. In the process of assigning writers to episodes, it's very possible Epenson is treating her role as kind of a clean up hitter so as to maintain harmony.
Sure, and if we're going to throw unsubstantiated guesses around, maybe she's his squeeze on the side for all I know, and this is how he keeps her in check. :rolleyes:

It's just a guess, but considering that RDM has been promoting her for years, she has the blessing of the Godfather. I don't picture her getting that blessing if she outright sucked at her job.
C'mon now. You've never worked at a place where someone sucks, but they are friendly with the boss, and so their career excels in a manner that is unsupported by their talent??

I mean, I don't actually hear anyone at this forum exactly clamoring for Jane's involvement in the very final eps. Do you? Maybe that says something, too. ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

OK, so how about Grace Park in her birthday suit? WITHOUT the CGI shadows over her body (like in season 1). :D

OK, so how about Grace Park in her birthday suit? WITHOUT the CGI shadows over her body (like in season 1). :D

Somehow I SERIOUSLY doubt we'll get to see THAT -- at least UNTIL her career starts to falter -- IF it does.

I think the fact that we got the LOVELY Playboy shots of Tricia Helfer speak to the fact that she's about 10 years older than Grace and JUST getting HER big break -- much less time to get REALLY ESTABLISHED as a star, AND much less time remaining to have those STUNNING looks, so she probably figured she'd do like Jamie Lee Curtis in "Trading Places" and flaunt it while she had it, so to speak.

Just a thought, or two -- on the FLIP SIDE, here's to HOPING Grace thinks OTHERWISE, soon! ;)
Jeff

on amazon preorder now is:
"star trek:tos-season 1" @ 29 episodes = $91.

using the same blu ray $$ ratio:
"galactica:complete series" @ 77 episodes = would be $242.

EDIT - or even better:

on deepdiscount preorder now is:
"star trek:tos-season 1" @ 29 episodes = $81.

using the same blu ray $$ ratio:
"galactica:complete series" @ 77 episodes = would be $215.

I liked this week's episode a lot, particularly Saul's agony, precipitated by Ellen's return and the loss of Caprica Six's baby. The guy is truly a tragic figure.

on amazon preorder now is:
"star trek:tos-season 1" @ 29 episodes = $91.

using the same blu ray $$ ratio:
"galactica:complete series" @ 77 episodes = would be $242.

I don't think you can really use that to predict the price. Different studio, different era shows, etc.

on amazon preorder now is:
"star trek:tos-season 1" @ 29 episodes = $91.

using the same blu ray $$ ratio:
"galactica:complete series" @ 77 episodes = would be $242.

Why on EARTH would you want to order the original "Star Trek" on Blu-Ray, dcowboy7???

I mean, I'm not sure WHAT the resolution was back in 1964/65, but I was playing around on Hulu recently and watched just a BIT of an episode of "Lost in Space" from the same era (most shows on Hulu are upscaled to a maximum of 480P), and you had to UPSCALE that show to get it to, I believe it was 320P. I KNOW they can do digital remastering and whatnot, but I'm not sure ANYTHING they could do would make a TV show from that era look good enough to justify paying the extra $$$ to get it on Blu-Ray vs. DVD (unless the price difference was virtually NOTHING).

As for the projected price of a full-set for BSG on Blu-Ray, that can be a very tricky question. I agree that making a per-episode conversion comparison is rather spurious, however. I'm thinking $300 is a more realistic price-point for the full set, although depending on just HOW BADLY they think the really serious fans might want a complete set, they could go even higher. They could also release two "complete set" versions... one WITH all the "extras," such as all the webisodes, and ancillary TV movies and RDM and writers commentaries and extra cut scenes, etc.; and one with JUST what we saw on the regular-season episodes. If they decide to go that route, they could do something like a $250/$300 pricing, or a $300/$325 or $350 pricing. As I really DON'T have the money to spend that much on any kind of box set, I really haven't looked into what box sets for entire series on Blu-Ray go for, so I'm not sure what the top price for anything has been, so far. But I'm guessing that there's probably a "threshold price" above which sales begin to drop off steeply -- and in the current economy I think that would be even more true.
Jeff

Why on EARTH would you want to order the original "Star Trek" on Blu-Ray, dcowboy7???

I mean, I'm not sure WHAT the resolution was back in 1964/65, but I was playing around on Hulu recently and watched just a BIT of an episode of "Lost in Space" from the same era (most shows on Hulu are upscaled to a maximum of 480P), and you had to UPSCALE that show to get it to, I believe it was 320P. I KNOW they can do digital remastering and whatnot, but I'm not sure ANYTHING they could do would make a TV show from that era look good enough to justify paying the extra $$$ to get it on Blu-Ray vs. DVD (unless the price difference was virtually NOTHING).

Star Trek was shot on 35mm film, not tape. An HD transfer should look very nice from the original film, and I believe they redid the visual effects for HD.

Star Trek was shot on 35mm film, not tape. An HD transfer should look very nice from the original film, and I believe they redid the visual effects for HD.

That is assuming the celluloid has held up well and isn't scratched, cracked, warped, etc. But considering this was done in the 60s, when they already knew all the dangers of this sort of thing, I'm guessing someone kept at least one "virgin master copy" in a vault somewhere, so you may be right -- it could look REALLY GOOD... and if they also re-did all the special effects for HD, well heck, I might just have to RENT the Blu-Ray, just to see that, lol.
Jeff

Don't feel bad about being "slow off the cuff," prospect60. I'm sitting here doing nothing but watching TV and monitoring my email for responses to a few active threads I'm subscribed to here at AVS, lol. And my faster response is likely due to the fact that YOU actually bothered to put in what I'm sure is a very helpful Wikipedia link (I probably won't go there, because THEN I'd spend ALL NIGHT THERE, lol), while I just typed "off the cuff." To read some of this stuff I post, you might think I work or have worked in the industry, or something, or have some sort of degree in it, but I really don't... Took a class or two in college, otherwise just a decent lay interest... I'm one of those folks who just knows a little bit about a lot of things (sometimes I get in over my head, too, lol).

Now, since this post is, so far, TOTALLY OT, let me see if I can make it at least PARTLY On Topic... Hmmmm... one of my FAVORITE TOPICS is String Theory, or Super String Theory, aka "M" Theory (I don't EVEN know what the "M" stands for), which posits we live in an 11-dimensional multiverse of which the basic building blocks are one-dimensional "strings." This is theoretical physics WAY BEYOND anything I really UNDERSTAND, but I just LOVE reading about it and seeing shows on it, and if even only SOME OF IT turns out to be true, things like FTL travel like they have in BSG will be EASILY achievable... The speed of light being a "constant" that is the fastest thing in the universe and something beyond which nothing can exceed will become a sort of fallacy similar to the sort of "logic" pre-operational children do who are younger than 4 and think EVERYONE knows everything THEY know and sees and experiences everything the same way THEY do.

Of course String Theory could end up being a big dead end, although it's literally supercharged the world of physics and hundreds or thousands of young new minds are getting doctorates in physics to either study in that direction or to try to disprove it (either goal is admirable, as long as you're attempting to advance science).
Jeff

Third time out... In response to your edit, prospect60, I'm not sure why the mods or anyone else would care right now... seems NOBODY has had ANYTHING to say about BSG in close to a day... all talk about actresses, box sets, you name it -- if anyone WERE posting about the show (and I actually DID include the show in this post, lol), I think it would be different... Not sure if OT posts are still verboten, but when there's nothing else happening on the thread, what the heck?
Jeff

Simple answer is that TOS was shot on 35mm films which gives it in theory the same resolution as any feature film of the same era using the same cameras and filmstock. Depending on the care taken in transferring everything and how well the elements have been cared for the BluRay could be quite nice -- search the reviews of the HD-DVD discs and see what people thought. The Special Effects sequences, matte drawings, etc are a bit different issue and the TV filmstock I'm guessing weren't the high end stuff that feature films would have used so 'theory' doesn't quite meet up with reality, but there's a whole lot of resolution left in the can so to speak. A mixed bag overall, but i think most of the HD-DVD folks were pretty impressed (particularly those who got it for a song during the closeouts).


Read about 3/4 down the page.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek_TOS


Well, it looks like I type a bit too slow tonight.

Oh I think it's back to BSG thread before the mods and others tear everybody some rooms.

Star Trek was shot on 35mm film, not tape. An HD transfer should look very nice from the original film, and I believe they redid the visual effects for HD.There's a review of the first season HD DVD set at highdefdigest.com, here (http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/600/startrektos_s1.html).

That is assuming the celluloid has held up well and isn't scratched, cracked, warped, etc. But considering this was done in the 60s, when they already knew all the dangers of this sort of thing, I'm guessing someone kept at least one "virgin master copy" in a vault somewhere, so you may be right -- it could look REALLY GOOD... and if they also re-did all the special effects for HD, well heck, I might just have to RENT the Blu-Ray, just to see that, lol.
Jeff


Jeff you can take a look at some screenshots of the HD DVD in this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1064586) thread or here (http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/). Looks pretty good IMO. The Blu-ray may be the same or a better encode. Since it was already released on HD DVD people ahve somewhat of an idea of what the show will look like ;) .

OK back to the show, what can I say this is one Sci-Fi showw that doesnt need space battles, or any major action scenes to keep me interested. Still not shure how I feel about the way they did the Elen\Tigh\Six thing. Will be interesting to see next weeks episode (from the previews).

Cant wait to get this on Blu-ray, I can still see people complaing about the grain of the show (yes its intentional). Especially those who have yet to see the show in HD. This will be an early purchase for me without a doubt as I will want to go back and watch the series from the beginning to see all the pieces fit together again. With this show and Fringe coming out on Blu-ray I can get my Sci-Fi TV Fix :).

My take on a couple of recent topics in the thread:

1. How did Boomer find Galactica? Ellen told her where to go, since Ellen knows where Earth is. Galactica et al are still orbiting Earth since Chief told Adama he cant jump the ship until the superstructure is fixed, so theyre still orbiting Earth, or at least in the system. Thats my guess, anyway. I dont remember them ever jumping away from Earth, though they have not shown Earth in any of the recent exterior shots.

2. Origin of Head Six. Didnt they show a couple of years ago that the combination of Caprica Six shielding Baltar from the nuke blast and the resurrection process (essentially, she downloaded through his body when the blast hit her) left bits of her in him and him in her. Or are yall looking for another explanation.

My take on a couple of recent topics in the thread:

1. How did Boomer find Galactica? Ellen told her where to go, since Ellen knows where Earth is. Galactica et al are still orbiting Earth since Chief told Adama he cant jump the ship until the superstructure is fixed, so theyre still orbiting Earth, or at least in the system. Thats my guess, anyway. I dont remember them ever jumping away from Earth, though they have not shown Earth in any of the recent exterior shots.

That's my understanding as well. They're still in the Sol system, although perhaps not in orbit around earth.

2. Origin of Head Six. Didnt they show a couple of years ago that the combination of Caprica Six shielding Baltar from the nuke blast and the resurrection process (essentially, she downloaded through his body when the blast hit her) left bits of her in him and him in her. Or are yall looking for another explanation.

Well now, that's an interesting theory. I've never heard it mentioned on the show, however.

Well now, that\'s an interesting theory. I\'ve never heard it mentioned on the show, however.
I thought it was clearly put forth during Downloaded that that was the case, however, looking back through the various wikis and plot synopses, I see that it was not clearly stated. My mind must\'ve just pieced it together. Funny thing, is, I had convinved myself that it was clearly spelled out and revealed to us for the past couple of years and was wondering how so many of you could have missed it. Kind of like when you tell a lie so many times you start to beleive it yourself ;)

OK, so then it\'s just a theory.. Maybe what I originally said plus the theory that his Daddy may have been Skin-Job Daniel (making him more susceptable to absorbing a bit of her resurection ghost while donating a little of his).

OK, so then it\'s just a theory.. Maybe what I originally said plus the theory that his Daddy may have been Skin-Job Daniel (making him more susceptable to absorbing a bit of her resurection ghost while donating a little of his).

Baltar has always been the most human of characters. It would be a shame at this point to find out he's a descendant of Daniel, thus part or fully Cylon. Plus, I'm not sure how that could have happened within the timeline of the show. Cavel killed Daniel before inserting the other Five into the Colonies. The same conundrum exists for the theory of Kara being Danny-boy's daughter.

But the idea of "bits" of Caprica Six's consciousness getting mixed up with Baltar's simply because of their proximity when she died and downloaded, perhaps catalyzed by the effects of the nuke blast, is very intriguing. There have always been hints that she's more than just a particularly attractive psychosis. Didn't Baltar know exactly where to send Apollo's missiles to destroy the tillium mine back in S-1? Six would have known something like that.

There have always been hints that she's more than just a particularly attractive psychosis.

I stopped considering it some kind of mental deficiency the second that I saw him able to bend his "psychosis" over his desk.

I stopped considering it some kind of mental deficiency the second that I saw him able to bend his "psychosis" over his desk.

Or when his "psychosis" slammed his head into a mirror or jerked him up by the back of his shirt. ;) I am looking forward to the big HeadSix reveal, whatever it may be.

Somehow I SERIOUSLY doubt we'll get to see THAT -- at least UNTIL her career starts to falter -- IF it does.

I think the fact that we got the LOVELY Playboy shots of Tricia Helfer speak to the fact that she's about 10 years older than Grace and JUST getting HER big break -- much less time to get REALLY ESTABLISHED as a star, AND much less time remaining to have those STUNNING looks, so she probably figured she'd do like Jamie Lee Curtis in "Trading Places" and flaunt it while she had it, so to speak.

Just a thought, or two -- on the FLIP SIDE, here's to HOPING Grace thinks OTHERWISE, soon! ;)
Jeff


I thought that Jamie Lee Curtis also looked good in True Lies with the short black dress on?

That is assuming the celluloid has held up well and isn't scratched, cracked, warped, etc. But considering this was done in the 60s, when they already knew all the dangers of this sort of thing, I'm guessing someone kept at least one "virgin master copy" in a vault somewhere, so you may be right -- it could look REALLY GOOD... and if they also re-did all the special effects for HD, well heck, I might just have to RENT the Blu-Ray, just to see that, lol.
From the same era, for what it's worth, another show that was shot on film was Hogan's Heroes. Those DVDs - SD, not HD - look really, really good. A combination of good original material and a competent transfer process. So it's not impossible, but "it depends" is usually the case.

My take on a couple of recent topics in the thread:

1. How did Boomer find Galactica? Ellen told her where to go, since Ellen knows where Earth is. Galactica et al are still orbiting Earth since Chief told Adama he cant jump the ship until the superstructure is fixed, so theyre still orbiting Earth, or at least in the system. Thats my guess, anyway. I dont remember them ever jumping away from Earth, though they have not shown Earth in any of the recent exterior shots.

2. Origin of Head Six. Didnt they show a couple of years ago that the combination of Caprica Six shielding Baltar from the nuke blast and the resurrection process (essentially, she downloaded through his body when the blast hit her) left bits of her in him and him in her. Or are yall looking for another explanation.

Ummmmmm, John, you're not the ONLY ONE who's been holding that theory for A LONG TIME. No, I don't ever remember seeing anything in the show that clearly indicated that was what happened (and with all my personal theories and "hypotheses" I've posted, I don't remember if I've posted that one before, or not), BUT I pretty much figured something like that happened, too... Just makes sense. It COULD be something entirely different, but when you consider that she essentially "vaporized THROUGH Baltar," well, considering her consciousness was going to be transferred and downloaded, anyway, along with the fact that she was in physical contact with him and that Cylon and human physiology are so similar they're almost impossible to tell apart, why WOULDN'T at least PART of her consciousness transfer to HIS brain, and vice versa?

Makes perfect sense to me, as well. It's really the ONLY explanation that makes sense, OTHER than him being part or fully Cylon, which, as others have said, is pretty problematic from a plot standpoint now that my previous theory about Cylon "DNA" being a "recessive gene" in the human gene pool has been pretty well blown out of the water with the disclosure than the Final Five came from Earth.
Jeff

Jeff you can take a look at some screenshots of the HD DVD in this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1064586) thread or here (http://tos.trekcore.com/hd/). Looks pretty good IMO. The Blu-ray may be the same or a better encode. Since it was already released on HD DVD people ahve somewhat of an idea of what the show will look like ;) .

OK back to the show, what can I say this is one Sci-Fi showw that doesnt need space battles, or any major action scenes to keep me interested. Still not shure how I feel about the way they did the Elen\Tigh\Six thing. Will be interesting to see next weeks episode (from the previews).

Cant wait to get this on Blu-ray, I can still see people complaing about the grain of the show (yes its intentional). Especially those who have yet to see the show in HD. This will be an early purchase for me without a doubt as I will want to go back and watch the series from the beginning to see all the pieces fit together again. With this show and Fringe coming out on Blu-ray I can get my Sci-Fi TV Fix :).


Ph8te, those screen caps look pretty good, but A LOT of the face shots still look a good deal on the grainy side (and unlike BSG, I know "Star Trek" TOS DID NOT do deliberate grain, lol). I don't really think it's possible to judge from screen caps, anyway, because the least little bit of motion in a frame creates some image blur in even the best screen cap. I'd have to see an actual CLIP to really judge. At any rate, it DOES look pretty decent, and I COULD tell on the images where the ship is orbiting a planet or something that they HAVE re-done it in CGI, and it looks A LOT better in those screen caps!

As for the show, I agree with you. I don't watch just for the space battles, either. The space battles can be entertaining, but to me, anyone who watches a science fiction show JUST for all the extravangance it can have -- whether it's special effects, or fight scenes, or whatever, isn't REALLY a Sci-Fi fan. I think a lot of us are also fans of just GOOD DRAMA, and BSG is, as much as anything else, excellent drama.

This is NOT to say I don't watch for the science fiction angle, and that I wouldn't be disappointed if it NEVER had science fiction elements in it (weird stuff that makes you think, strange stuff that oughta stink, etc.) :p And, of course, with a show name like "Battlestar Gallactica," we're correct to expect SOME space battles. But STORY is still the name of the game.

NOW if I can just figure out which one of you people who has the $$$ to keep BUYING all these entire series on Blu-Ray lives CLOSE to ME, I'll have to make me a VERY CLOSE new friend! ;) Hey, I have PLANTS I can share! :cool:
Jeff

Just makes sense. It COULD be something entirely different, but when you consider that she essentially "vaporized THROUGH Baltar," well, considering her consciousness was going to be transferred and downloaded, anyway, along with the fact that she was in physical contact with him and that Cylon and human physiology are so similar they're almost impossible to tell apart, why WOULDN'T at least PART of her consciousness transfer to HIS brain, and vice versa?

Makes perfect sense to me, as well. It's really the ONLY explanation that makes sense, OTHER than him being part or fully Cylon, which, as others have said, is pretty problematic from a plot standpoint now that my previous theory about Cylon "DNA" being a "recessive gene" in the human gene pool has been pretty well blown out of the water with the disclosure than the Final Five came from Earth.

Too much of a stretch....don't think so.

But we know that there is something strange about Baltar and Starbuck as it appears that they too must have resurrected. Since we didn't have multiple copies of the final 5 cylons running around nor do we have multiple copies of Starbuck and Baltar, I'd bet they've got more in common than the created skinjobs.

Hey, I have PLANTS I can share! :cool:
Jeff

If you are mean what I think you mean...Viewing party is at Jeff's house!!!:)

If you are mean what I think you mean...Viewing party is at Jeff's house!!!:)

I forgot where it was. And um, what's the party for again? Will there be snacks?

:p

Wow, I just saw the actress that plays Starbuck on Nip/Tuck and holy buckets, she looked freaking stunning. Never knew she cleaned up like that. Totally hot.

Wow, I just saw the actress that plays Starbuck on Nip/Tuck and holy buckets, she looked freaking stunning. Never knew she cleaned up like that. Totally hot.The only dressed her up in this series once, which you can see here (http://www.imdb.com/media/rm1704237568/nm0755267) at IMDb.

Ummmmmmm Katee's NOT Grace Park or even Tricia Helfer, necessarily (although she's younger than Tricia), but she's certainly an attractive young lady. I think the fact that we almost always see her on BSG sans any feminine-type makeup, dressed like a guy, with all those guy-like tattoos showing and her hair all roughed-up is actually GREAT for her career, as far as when she chooses to play a feminine role, because anyone who's USED to seeing her as Starbuck will be pretty BLOWN AWAY like WilliamR was above.

I'm not sure if this was a stroke of career luck on her part or smart business sense, but I DO think it's going to pay off for her. I'm also still a bit upset with NBC that they canceled the new "Bionic Woman" last year, which had her in some of the early episodes as an earlier version of a Bionic woman, and I think they had plans to make her a recurring character. I also thought the show had some potential and the stars were excellent, but "oh well." Sci-Fi shows have a very tough time making it. I'm pretty amazed they're still holding on to "Heroes." I KNOW most of you think it's WAY outlasted its usefulness, but I'm still a fan. They've made some missteps along the way, but I think they've redeemed themselves a few times, too, and anyone who watched this past Monday's show might really like the twist at the very end of the episode.

Speaking of "twists," I've got the feeling we can STILL expect a few unexpected twists in the last 4 episodes of BSG. With the relative slow pace of the past few episodes, I'm thinking sometime in the next episode or the following one, things are going to "speed up" and then maybe start to hit a "fever pitch" that maybe will have our heads spinning for WEEKS after it's all over.

At least we can hope so.
Jeff

I'm also still a bit upset with NBC that they canceled the new "Bionic Woman" last year, which had her in some of the early episodes as an earlier version of a Bionic woman, and I think they had plans to make her a recurring character. I also thought the show had some potential and the stars were excellent, but "oh well." Sci-Fi shows have a very tough time making it. I'm pretty amazed they're still holding on to "Heroes." I KNOW most of you think it's WAY outlasted its usefulness, but I'm still a fan. They've made some missteps along the way, but I think they've redeemed themselves a few times, too, and anyone who watched this past Monday's show might really like the twist at the very end of the episode.



they really dropped the Ball with bionic woman...the premise was there, but they didn't execute. The audience was there too (good opening ratings), but they lost us. I'm a pretty die hard watcher, I like to give shows a chance, and even *I* gave up on it.

I haven't given up on Heroes yet...but I'm close. The characters are just such IDIOTS, it's hard to empathize with them when things go awry. :-(

Ummmmmmm Katee's NOT Grace Park or even Tricia Helfer, necessarily (although she's younger than Tricia), but she's certainly an attractive young lady.Which would make her younger than Grace as well, as both she and Tricia are 34 (actually, Grace is about a month older than Tricia--they'll both be 35 soon).

"...or even Tricia Helfer"? Whereas Grace is very cute and you may find her the more attractive, Tricia was a bona fide supermodel.

Which would make her younger than Grace as well, as both she and Tricia are 34 (actually, Grace is about a month older than Tricia--they'll both be 35 soon).

"...or even Tricia Helfer"? Whereas Grace is very cute and you may find her the more attractive, Tricia was a bona fide supermodel.

{foot in mouth} THERE I go again! It usually seems to be YOU, Michael, who catches me being SO WRONG! I had just assumed Grace was much younger than Tricia... for one thing she LOOKS younger. Of course I'd put them all in mid-to-late 20s if I didn't know better, and I certainly wouldn't object to ANY of their company! ;) Now that I know the two Cylons are just 16 years my junior, maybe there's a chance for me, after all... NAW, but it never hurts to dream, huh?
Jeff

Sorry, Cpanther, but since I didn't say anything about the show that could indicate what I was talking about, I didn't consider it a spoiler -- As for the "cross-post," so much of that's been going on about so many shows, well...
Jeff

I think the fact that we almost always see her on BSG sans any feminine-type makeup, dressed like a guy, with all those guy-like tattoos showing and her hair all roughed-up

So, based on the Tarentino critique of Top Gun, Tom Cruise would totally do her, right?

Spoiler for another show removed. :rolleyes: :mad:

Please don't cross post about another show soon after it airs.

So, based on the Tarentino critique of Top Gun, Tom Cruise would totally do her, right?

Ummmmmmmm, who knows (OR CARES) WHAT Tom Cruise would do?!?!? :p I was SO TICKLED when his studio FIRED HIM after "Mission Impossible III" It didn't matter that another major studio picked him up after a brief hiatus. I just really thought he needed to be brought down SEVERAL notches!

And talk about SCIENCE FICTION -- Tom Cruise IS Science Fiction! I can't figure out WHAT Nicole Kidman OR Katie Holmes was thinking... maybe, only, that he has some sort of "black magic" or something he can practice on women. :eek:

This is NOT to say I don't still watch his movies, or that he isn't actually a convincing actor in SOME of them. He's just SO overrated and SUCH "a legend in his own mind."
Jeff

Sorry, Cpanther, but since I didn't say anything about the show that could indicate what I was talking about, I didn't consider it a spoiler -- As for the "cross-post," so much of that's been going on about so many shows, well...
Jeff

If someone told you that the Sixth Sense had a surprise ending, anyone with an IQ over 80 would've figured it out halfway through the movie. A surprise twist is only a surprise twist if you don't know it's coming.

I meant "cross-posting" as it relates to spoilers.

If someone told you that the Sixth Sense had a surprise ending, anyone with an IQ over 80 would've figured it out halfway through the movie. A surprise twist is only a surprise twist if you don't know it's coming.

I meant "cross-posting" as it relates to spoilers.

Well I guess I don't have to watch the Sixth Sense now! Thanks alot CP!

wink :-)

Well I guess I don't have to watch the Sixth Sense now! Thanks alot CP!

wink :-)

If you haven't by now, you probably never would have - especially if you've seen M. Night's work since then. :)

You seen Soylent Green yet? :D

If you haven't by now, you probably never would have - especially if you've seen M. Night's work since then. :)

You seen Soylent Green yet? :D

And Planet of the Apes lol

If you haven't by now, you probably never would have - especially if you've seen M. Night's work since then. :)

You seen Soylent Green yet? :D

HEY THERE BUDDY, I don't care if you ARE (almost) a neighbor, lol, quit pickin' on my favorite Indian director! Seriously, I can't figure out why NOBODY seems to like M. Night's films any more. "The Sixth Sense," I believe, DID get both critical AND box-office success, but not much since. However, I thought "Signs" was literally TERRIFYING, "The Village" was, well, very interesting, and "Lady in the Water" was quite a romantic notion...

As for them promoting "The Happening" as "M. Night Shyamalan's FIRST R-RATED MOVIE!," well, I just DON'T think the distribution company knew WHAT ELSE to say about it, lol. I caught that one via Graboid. I won't say it's his best work. Really a very strange sort of concept, although not entirely beyond belief (pretty close, though, lol). I have to say that's one he probably shouldn't have made. The others? I thought they were all decent films.

And "Soylent Green?" Man, that's A CLASSIC! I saw it when it was "new," meaning I saw it the FIRST TIME it hit network TV. Then I eventually got a recording of it off pay-cable sometime back in the '80s... Tried to get a college friend to watch it one time, but he quickly caught on where it was going and wanted NO PART of that, lol. As far as I'm concerned, that's just about where we're headed if we don't quit reproducing like we're all a bunch of bunny rabbits! :p

Oh, by the way, Cpanther, being a 40-year resident of Spartanburg, SC, hometown of Panthers founder Jerry Richardson, I NEVER pull for the Panthers, Cpanther. If you're wondering just WHY, email me sometime and I'll fill you in on just WHAT Mr. Richardson did to Spartanburg and the business he built here in order to finance his team and get his training park!
Jeff

And Planet of the Apes lol

whenever i see the wahlberg remake it cracks me up seeing the ape thats played by the guy who was "pig vomit" from howard sterns "private parts" movie....also luvd JJ in that movie. :cool:

HEY THERE BUDDY, I don't care if you ARE (almost) a neighbor, lol, quit pickin' on my favorite Indian director! Seriously, I can't figure out why NOBODY seems to like M. Night's films any more. "The Sixth Sense," I believe, DID get both critical AND box-office success, but not much since. However, I thought "Signs" was literally TERRIFYING, "The Village" was, well, very interesting, and "Lady in the Water" was quite a romantic notion...

As for them promoting "The Happening" as "M. Night Shyamalan's FIRST R-RATED MOVIE!," well, I just DON'T think the distribution company knew WHAT ELSE to say about it, lol. I caught that one via Graboid. I won't say it's his best work. Really a very strange sort of concept, although not entirely beyond belief (pretty close, though, lol). I have to say that's one he probably shouldn't have made. The others? I thought they were all decent films.

And "Soylent Green?" Man, that's A CLASSIC! I saw it when it was "new," meaning I saw it the FIRST TIME it hit network TV. Then I eventually got a recording of it off pay-cable sometime back in the '80s... Tried to get a college friend to watch it one time, but he quickly caught on where it was going and wanted NO PART of that, lol. As far as I'm concerned, that's just about where we're headed if we don't quit reproducing like we're all a bunch of bunny rabbits! :p

Oh, by the way, Cpanther, being a 40-year resident of Spartanburg, SC, hometown of Panthers founder Jerry Richardson, I NEVER pull for the Panthers, Cpanther. If you're wondering just WHY, email me sometime and I'll fill you in on just WHAT Mr. Richardson did to Spartanburg and the business he built here in order to finance his team and get his training park!
Jeff

This is way OT, but I agree about Signs - I thought it was terrific (and I was able to overlook some of the weird plotting), but the scene where Mel talks the kid down from the asthma attack in the pitch darkness as they are trying to survive the night in the basement with the alien invasion going on around them - that was just great.

So - any predictions on the next few epis of BSG?

So - any predictions on the next few epis of BSG?

Yeah... The SH*T is gonna HIT the FAN!!! :p

I forsee flying flapjacks of flittering feces fouling faces, feet, fingers and follicles of all Frakin' Final Five! :eek::D:cool:

Yeah... The SH*T is gonna HIT the FAN!!! :p

I forsee flying flapjacks of flittering feces fouling faces, feet, fingers and follicles of all Frakin' Final Five! :eek::D:cool:

Phenomenal!

So - any predictions on the next few epis of BSG?
SURE, I predict that now that Jane isn't writing eps for BSG, there's a better than even chance that the storyline will improve notably. ;)

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It's all about Starbuck & Boomer tonight!

Frackin Chief..... Love makes cylons do stupid things...

Frackin Boomer!!!!!!! Was that Athena that just got wacked by Boomer?

I'm pretty convinced that Starbuck is now the child of the cylon that was destroyed. I think that's who she was spending the time at the piano with.

Of course, this doesn't come anywhere near explaining the resurrection of her and her viper just yet. But it would seem that Hera and Starbuck may both be special in the same way.

So we now know that Cavel let Boomer escape so she could retrieve Hera.

How much good is that going to do him. He'd still need a human. Maybe use Starbuck's eggs.

3 Episodes to go!

Starbuck has to be the daughter of Daniel.

Her father's name is Dreilide which means "three eyelid" in German.

... and no, I have no clue what possible pertinence that has. ;)

So, does cylon projection equal Head Six somehow? As soon as I saw Boomer's and Tyrol's house projection I thought of Baltar and his visions.

Starbuck and Hera seem connected. They both knew the song. Did it come from Daniel, or is it some fellow cylon/human hybrid thing they have going on?

I was really nervous the first half of the episode, just thinking about what the fan reaction was going to be. "Nothing happened!!" LOL But the last 20 minutes or so were killer. Poor Galactica. I am dreading her (I'm fear) inevitable end.

I admit, while I'd thought of the possibility that Boomer was duping Ellen and the rest, I really didn't believe it until she beat the crap out of Athena. BAD BOOMER!

HeadPianoPlayer guy - was he ever there at all? I'm guessing no. People must really think Starbuck's crazy now.

I can remember when Grace Park was considered the weak link of this cast. She has really come a long way. Kudos!

Starbuck has to be the daughter of Daniel.


My thoughts also...

If there were any indication that it were at all possible, I'd say she was a Daniel model. Very fine line between an artistic male and a masculine female. ;)

Nice nod to the original series with the tune the guy played on the piano while talking to Starbuck. :)

Great episode. I find it very interesting that this was a character-driven piece as well, but a billion times better than last week's.

As a father (and a piano player), this episode had me misty-eyed a couple of times. With the chief and the mental projection of his daughter, to the interaction between head piano player and Starbuck, especially at the end where they intercut scenes from her childhood at the piano. It was very moving to me.

Her father's name is Dreilide which means "three eyelid" in German.

... and no, I have no clue what possible pertinence that has. ;)

Third eye?

The third eye (also known as the inner eye) is a mystical and esoteric concept referring in part to the ajna (brow) chakra in certain Eastern and Western spiritual traditions. It is also spoken of as the gate that leads within to inner realms and spaces of higher consciousness. In New Age spirituality, the third eye may alternately symbolize a state of enlightenment or the evocation of mental images having deeply-personal spiritual or psychological significance. The third eye is often associated with visions, clairvoyance, precognition, and out-of-body experiences, and people who have allegedly developed the capacity to use their third eyes are sometimes known as seers.

I had about the same reaction as Tigh when I caught on that she was playing "the song."

Third eye?

I'm a big fan of that "third eye" stuff, myself. Go within, Luke.

I had about the same reaction as Tigh when I caught on that she was playing "the song."

Just what IS that song, anyway? That wasn't the same song they heard in the nebula ("The Watchtower"), was it? Didn't sound like it. Also, I get the distinct impression from the layout of those notes and they way they're drawn that they represent far more than just musical notes -- like maybe the layout of a star system, with the one(s)? in color being of SPECIAL significance (please note I've watched only once so far, so I haven't had a chance to go back and look at this stuff in more detail -- it was a "new episode night" for "Numbers").

Three eps. and four hours left to figure it all out. I have to wonder if Boomer WAS serious about her feelings for Galen... OTHER 8s have certainly shown a great ability for deceit (see the Webseries: "Face of the Enemy"). At any rate, it IS starting to look like her purpose there WAS to retrieve Hera, as she would likely have had time to escape prior to her detection had she not taken the time to kidnap her. One has to wonder if when she showed Galen that projected image of the two of them with a daughter, that daughter might have actually been Hera?
Jeff

holy frak...that was a great episode...wow

They better release that version of the song (the All Along the Watchtower via piano) somewhere...I want to hear the whole thing...

I had no clue that the dude was in her head....wow....

holy frak...that was a great episode...wow

They better release that version of the song (the All Along the Watchtower via piano) somewhere...I want to hear the whole thing...

I had no clue that the dude was in her head....wow....

I actually thought the whole PIANO was in her head until other people heard it, lol. So that WAS "Watchtower?" I couldn't tell from so few notes. Then again, I never really could recognize the tune the first time around... was too distorted. I think I maybe FINALLY got it near the very end -- about the time the four of them CONVERGED.

There is just SO MUCH going on in this story, it's truly amazing! It's hard to know where to start, or where it all ends. I just hope RDM and company know.
Jeff

I actually thought the whole PIANO was in her head until other people heard it, lol. So that WAS "Watchtower?" I couldn't tell from so few notes. Then again, I never really could recognize the tune the first time around... was too distorted. I think I maybe FINALLY got it near the very end -- about the time the four of them CONVERGED.

There is just SO MUCH going on in this story, it's truly amazing! It's hard to know where to start, or where it all ends. I just hope RDM and company know.
Jeff

Here (http://lax.war3.com/Misc/TV/BSG/21-All%20Along%20The%20Watchtower%20(From%20%27Crossroads,%20Pa rt%202%27).MP3) is the song from the Season 3 soundtrack...awesome rendition...

Here (http://lax.war3.com/Misc/TV/BSG/21-All%20Along%20The%20Watchtower%20(From%20%27Crossroads,%20Pa rt%202%27).MP3) is the song from the Season 3 soundtrack...awesome rendition...

Josh it won't play for me :(

I clicked the link a half dozen times, tried turning off my popup blocker for that site, turned my system sound to maximum... Still won't play. All I get is a blank webpage.

Is anyone else having that problem? I've recently downloaded some new audio codecs which were SUPPOSED to give me ADDITIONAL audio playing ability, but I know computer stuff can often do the reverse of what it's supposed to do, lol. Is it ME or the link?
Jeff

So we now know that Cavel let Boomer escape so she could retrieve Hera.

How much good is that going to do him. He'd still need a human. Maybe use Starbuck's eggs.
Or maybe he'll use her as a bargaining chip. Hold her for ransom unless the F5 agree to build some more resurrection ships. Which, BTW, makes less sense the more I think about it. The F5 would have taught them how to do it, theory and all, right? Because if they didn't, Cavil took a huge risk in exposing the F5 to the holocaust on the 12 colonies. You'd think they would have studied it enough to be self-sufficient in ressurection tech by now.

HeadPianoPlayer guy - was he ever there at all? I'm guessing no.
It's just weird that people were discussing the Sixth Sense in this thread a couple of days ago. About halfway through I was wondering if anyone else even saw the piano player.

I can remember when Grace Park was considered the weak link of this cast. She has really come a long way. Kudos!
That must have been before the Tory Foster character was introduced. :D

Anyway, I thought tonight's episode was a vast improvement over last week's. It started slow, but it got rolling pretty good. One thing I found surprising is that after this huge cylon goo repair job we find out it's only good for extending the life of the ship for a few more jumps? I can almost hear Adama's final call to "Abandon Ship" now. Whatever happens, a month from now we're all going to be pissed.

I had no clue that the dude was in her head....wow....

Really? Some random dude that we've never seen before pops up 4 episodes from the end???? ;) :D

I want to believe that they were giving the main music writer for the show some on-screen time ... but I didn't pause the credits.

I clicked the link a half dozen times, tried turning off my popup blocker for that site, turned my system sound to maximum... Still won't play. All I get is a blank webpage.
Worked for me, Jeff, about 20 minutes ago. I clicked and when I decided I didn't want to play it in my browser with quicktime, I went back and did the right-click-->save-as to my hard drive. No problems here. About 4.3 MB. Try another browser maybe?

Nice nod to the original series with the tune the guy played on the piano while talking to Starbuck. :)

I doubt many of the "youngins" here noticed that. As a fan of the original BG, I noticed it right away.

It wasn't the theme song from the original BG but it was the music that they always played whenever they showed a base ship approaching or something bad was going to happen.

I doubt many of the "youngins" here noticed that. As a fan of the original BG, I noticed it right away.
:p Anyone who watched that schlock dreck back in the '70s is a young un' to me. That was one of the first tv series I can remember actively making fun of people who watched it.

Uh, I was 8.

Yeah, I had to figure if I even MENTIONED the old BG someone would have to attack it. I've always thought it was a ridiculous argument of comparing the old BG to the new. They are apples and oranges. The old BG was made for kids and I loved it when I was a kid. The new BG is for adults and I love it, too. But they are really nothing alike except in name only. I doubt anyone watching the original for the 1st time today would like it. Most shows from the 70's seem hokey today. Have you seen Bonanza or Hawaii 5-0 lately? Yep, they seem hokey, too.

I still like the original BG for nostalgic reasons.

I doubt many of the "youngins" here noticed that. As a fan of the original BG, I noticed it right away.

It wasn't the theme song from the original BG but it was the music that they always played whenever they showed a base ship approaching or something bad was going to happen.

I actually didn't catch much of the original. I think it ran about the time I started working full-time, and I was mostly working second shift -- same thing happened to me with the final episode of "M*A*S*H," and, for that matter, the last few years -- really ticked me off, too, as that was one of my favorite shows. I've YET to see that final episode... come to think of it, though, I could likely catch it on Hulu.com now (I'm only bringing this up because it's fresh in my mind from the "Hot off the Press" thread, where I spent most of the night before I came here, lol. Still holds the all-time record for single-viewing of a TV show at 106 Million viewers... MAN can you imagine if BSG could get THAT for its finale?!?

As for that music, I have Quicktime, but I deleted the iTunes they insisted on foisting off on me along with it. That might be why it didn't play for me. I PAID for Quicktime Pro. I DON'T download music -- free or paid -- and had no use or need for iTunes; got tired of the updates and constant SLAMMING from Apple (former Mac user here, NOT a Mac hater, but I DO think they're overpriced).

At any rate, I'll try some more, Josh, and thanks for the link.
Jeff

I doubt many of the "youngins" here noticed that. As a fan of the original BG, I noticed it right away.

It wasn't the theme song from the original BG but it was the music that they always played whenever they showed a base ship approaching or something bad was going to happen.

Actually it is the theme song. The start of the full version of the song. The bit used for the opening (for all but the pilot episode) is the second half of the theme. This bit tonight it part of the first.

Check out the original series pilot/first episode and you'll see what I mean.

Found a link here.... http://www.earthstation1.com/ThemeSongs/Battlestar_Galactica_1st_Season_Entire.wav

I want to believe that they were giving the main music writer for the show some on-screen time ... but I didn't pause the credits.

Bear McCreary does the music for this show (which I love), and that certainly wasn't him.

Uh, I was 8.
I still like the original BG for nostalgic reasons.

I wasn't even in the womb yet. :p I've tried watching the original when SciFi has had marathons of it, but when I saw a robot riding a horse, I was like, "I'm out." Nostalgia is one hell of a thing though...shows that I liked as a kid, like MacGyver, seem just awful now. Even shows that I started watching when I was a kid and kept watching as I grew up, like Stargate, seem cheesy now. When I spot a rerun, I can't help but laugh when they have those puppets for the Asgard. They're just so badly done.

But back to BSG...although I liked the episode last week, it wasn't up to par with the rest of 4.5. This definitely brought it back up to speed. Was I the only one kind unnerved by that scene with Boomer and Helo with Athena watching? Then stealing the kid? I dunno...it seemed creepy, even by the standards of this show.

Josh it won't play for me :(

I clicked the link a half dozen times, tried turning off my popup blocker for that site, turned my system sound to maximum... Still won't play. All I get is a blank webpage.I tried clicking it in IE7 and it wouldn't play for me either. I can't remember the last time I tried to play an MP3 clip in the browser, so I have no idea what plug-in is associated with the media type for me, but it ain't working. Just right click the link and choose "Save target as..." and open the file after it's downloaded.

It is an interesting and pleasing rendition of the song, distinct from both Dylan's original and Hendrix's famous cover.

It plays for me in IE7, but considering I have IE7Pro with extra scripts/plug-ins along with the K-Lite Mega Codec Pack installed, I don't really have the average set-up. lol

I'm surprised that song wasn't instantly recognizable considering how important it was at the end of season 3.

Since we are playing the nostalgia game with TOS, anybody else recognize the name of the toothpaste as Felgercarb, yet another beloved cuss word.

Overall an interesting ep trying to sew some loose ends together. I was a little disappointed by the rather transparent (pun intended) plot device of the 'invisible' character, that becomes immediately apparent because there is absolutely no interaction whatsoever between that character and anyone other than the protagonist. The Sixth Sense might be among the more recent examples, but the device iteslf stems back not only to a large number of Twilight zone stories, but to Dickens and biblical stories as well. Guess I was hoping for something 'more' different, but it served its purpose and stayed within the show's framework.

OTOH, I loved the self-parody of breaking the fourth wall and offering the BSG toothpaste for auction. :D. Good to know RDM doesn't take this as deadly seriously as it often seems. But I have to admit that the continuing and unrelenting downward spiral that this show has become is starting to wear me out, despite the great drama. I know that's intentionally part of the plan, but at times, I feel like the message is subsuming everything else.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

This is not an important issue, but it is a pet peeve of mine. One thing I really liked about the episode is that head-Daniel (it seemed pretty obvious to me that was her father), actually was playing the music when they showed his hands. Most shows try to get you to believe characters are playing the music, but it usually comes across laughably bad. But he was hitting all the right notes at the right times.

Overall an interesting ep trying to sew some loose ends together. I was a little disappointed by the rather transparent (pun intended) plot device of the 'invisible' character, that becomes immediately apparent because there is absolutely no interaction whatsoever between that character and anyone other than the protagonist. The Sixth Sense might be among the more recent examples, but the device iteslf stems back not only to a large number of Twilight zone stories, but to Dickens and biblical stories as well. Guess I was hoping for something 'more' different, but it served its purpose and stayed within the show's framework.

OTOH, I loved the self-parody of breaking the fourth wall and offering the BSG toothpaste for auction. :D. Good to know RDM doesn't take this as deadly seriously as it often seems. But I have to admit that the continuing and unrelenting downward spiral that this show has become is starting to wear me out, despite the great drama. I know that's intentionally part of the plan, but at times, I feel like the message is subsuming everything else.

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Interesting observation. The "downward spiral" is a bit depressing - they are really setting something huge up, though. But MOST of the last few episodes after the mutiny have been ALL set up. However, I thought that this episode did a good job of mixing the character-driven pieces with a bit of action. This is something I think the show, despite its greatness, does a mostly poor job with - mixing great action with quieter moments. It's usually just one or the other. The great action episodes are usually frakking terrific, and usually do not involve much in the way of quiet introspective moments. On the other hand, the episode last week with Ellen was pretty much all introspection and not much else. Don't get me wrong, it advanced the plot. But this week was a perfect mix of action and quiet introspection. I thought it was a terrific episode.

I knew immediately when Hera handed Starbuck those dots that they were music notes. I also suspected that head-Daniel was not really there.

Anybody else think Helo should have noticed it wasn't his Sharon, he made the comment she smelled different. He still knocked the bottom out of it, with Sharon tied up watching. :)

You think she'll get knocked up too?

You think she'll get knocked up too?

Good question, could happen if they jump 9 months down the time line, otherwise I doubt they would add that to the story with only three eps left.

Anybody else think Helo should have noticed it wasn't his Sharon, he made the comment she smelled different. He still knocked the bottom out of it, with Sharon tied up watching. :)


I heard that also. He initiated the action and made that statement but by then all hope was lost because the "little head" had already taken control. His other senses went off line.:D

Anybody else think Helo should have noticed it wasn't his Sharon, he made the comment she smelled different. He still knocked the bottom out of it, with Sharon tied up watching. :)

"Knocked the bottom out of it"??? Seriously, is that something you just made up out of thin air? Because I've been around for quite awhile, and am familiar with just about every expression that would apply to the 'act' you seem to be refering to, and within the lecxicon I'm familiar with, 'knocked the bottom out of it' just ain't there. :eek::p

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You think she'll get knocked up too?

Absofrakkinlutely. I'm betting that was part of the plan. Ohhhh, Boomer is so bad! Something tells me the Chief is not going to take this well. What will they do to him when they figure out he was the one who "swapped" the 8's? Not only that, but he appeared to flat-out murder that worker 8 (unless that was actually Athena...?) One of the FF murdering a fellow Cylon?? :eek: Or was it Athena who Sharon clocked in the bathroom? Tough to keep all the 8's straight in this one.

Speaking of straight, anybody notice the sheet music lying on top of the piano? We could also see a corner of a currency bill sticking up in his tip hat as well. What was wrong with that picture? Square corners! Maybe the production design team has been cutting corners by not cutting corners...? :D

...

Tough to keep all the 8's straight in this one.



Same here. But I think Boomer escaped, Athena was beat up in the closet watching human/cylon porn, worker cylon sitting dead in the jail cell. We're going to have to start flow charting the 8s and the 6s to keep them streight.