Oh, now I get it! Its a poker analogy. Asses and Eights. That RDM is a real card alright :rolleyes:

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Chief is not going to take this well. What will they do to him when they figure out he was the one who "swapped" the 8's? Not only that, but he appeared to flat-out murder that worker 8 (unless that was actually Athena...?)
I think he did murder the worker Eight, I was shocked and sad, they're all so hot. Chiefs in deep ****, its going to be interesting.

I love Doc giving the Cylons hell. Cylons "maybe his brains rebooting" Doc "The last thing we need is you jerking our chains with a bunch of quack ideas. :)

Didn't one of the Sharons suggest putting coma cylon in a goo bath to read his brain waves?

Tough to keep all the 8's straight in this one.

Why would you want to? I'd like to think that a fair amount are Bylons :D

Didn't one of the Sharons suggest putting coma cylon in a goo bath to read his brain waves?

Yes - I don't remember it said quite that way, but she did suggest taking Anders back and trying to read his brainwaves.

Something's happening with Anders...

Why would you want to? I'd like to think that a fair amount are Bylons :D

+1 no doubt out of necessity.

What was wrong with that picture? Square corners! Maybe the production design team has been cutting corners by not cutting corners...? Yeah they missed a few corners, you see it when Hera gives Starbuck the painting, first the corner clearly isn't cut, then they cut away to another angle, then the paper is upside down showing the cut corner.

On the whole piano scene, I think the corners not being cut on the sheet music was intentional, I think they were giving us hints of something being off (all in Starbucks head) Like when she sat at the bar next to the mirror, they were showing us in an artistic way, that she was talking to herself.
Very well done scene. IMO

Chicago Tribune's Mo Ryan interviews the writers of "Someone To Watch Over Me" (who apparently are now "CSI" writers and plan on casting "BG" alumni as guest stars on that CBS show): http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/02/battlestar-galactica-starbuck-boomer-someone-to-watch-over-me-.html#more. While Starbuck and her piano man are getting the lion's share of attention they also talk about Chief and Boomer's relationship (which was a nice nod from RDM to fans of the mini and first two seasons).

This is not an important issue, but it is a pet peeve of mine. One thing I really liked about the episode is that head-Daniel (it seemed pretty obvious to me that was her father), actually was playing the music when they showed his hands. Most shows try to get you to believe characters are playing the music, but it usually comes across laughably bad. But he was hitting all the right notes at the right times.Why are people calling this guy "Daniel"? Starbuck's father's name, as seen on the cover of that tape that she extracted from the stuff that Helo tried to give back to her, was "Dreilide Thrace".

Why are people calling this guy "Daniel"? Starbuck's father's name, as seen on the cover of that tape that she extracted from the stuff that Helo tried to give back to her, was "Dreilide Thrace".
Good question. As far as we know the guy's name (piano player and/or her father) is not Daniel. Some people are too quick at jumping to conclusions.

Why are people calling this guy "Daniel"? Starbuck's father's name, as seen on the cover of that tape that she extracted from the stuff that Helo tried to give back to her, was "Dreilide Thrace".

DREILIDE THRACE...

reverse the first name...

EDILIERD... ED(ward James Olmos)-I-LIE-R(onald)D(middle name).

Somebody posted this on one of the "BG" forums (Mo Ryan's or Alan Sepinwall's), probably the same person that bought a PlayStation back in 1996 after seeing the 'urnote' magazine ads. :p

Who here thinks Boomer and Hera are dead?

I'm considering this as likely for three reasons:

1. Boomer had to turn sideways to get through the narrowing exit gap from Gallactica and STILL didn't quite make it, thus damaging her ship, likely making it unsafe to do an FTL jump;

2. When she nonetheless DID do an FTL jump in the face of several oncoming raptors, she was too close to Gallactica and her wake caused a rupture in the side of the ship -- if it did that to Gallactica, it likely ALSO caused damage to her ship, and little spaceships with holes in them in a vaccuum don't last very long.

3. Perhaps MOST telling -- even very far removed from the "action" Laura Roslyn, with what appears to be a strong psychic link to Hera, seemed to feel A GREAT LOSS the moment that happened and collapsed on the floor of her quarters. It could have been her response to knowing Hera was just gone, but I got the impression she felt she was really GONE.
Jeff

Dreilide dreilide dreilide, I made it out of clay...

Why are people calling this guy "Daniel"? Starbuck's father's name, as seen on the cover of that tape that she extracted from the stuff that Helo tried to give back to her, was "Dreilide Thrace".

Yeah, I am jumping to a conclusion here. I do think that Starbuck's father is Daniel.

Dreilide dreilide dreilide, I made it out of clay...

HUH???

What you smokin', dude?!?!?

Got some to share with the REST of the class????? :p

HUH???

What you smokin', dude?!?!?

Got some to share with the REST of the class????? :p

I think he's singing the "dreidle" song.

I think he's singing the "dreidle" song.

Yeah, I kindasorta figured it out just AFTER I posted, Steve, lol. Of course I've just BARELY heard the first part of that song on a TV show or two... If you're not Jewish or haven't heard it somewhere, you'd be TOTALLY clueless. In fact, if I wasn't posting this response, nobody who didn't know that was a Jewish song would still know what the "dreidle song" is.

From what I understand, the dreidle is a sort of little spinning top Jewish children play with that I suppose has some sort of religious significance, although I'm exceeding my knowledge base at this point, lol. I THINK Jewish children sing that song during Hannakuh as a sort of alternative to Christian children and their Christmas Carols, but if I have that all wrong, PLEASE don't anyone blast away at me.
Jeff

We're conversing on a web page--anyone who wants to know what a dreidel is can easily find out, in much more detail than they'd ever want. They can see a picture of a dreidel, read the words of the dreidel song in multiple languages and hear many versions of it sung :).

Starbuck reminds me of Pink.

Good question. As far as we know the guy's name (piano player and/or her father) is not Daniel. Some people are too quick at jumping to conclusions.

Yeah, of course if the name wasn't Daniel Thrace on the tape then it couldn't possibly have ever been Daniel :rolleyes: Daniel may or may not be Kara's father but dismissing it as a possibility based on the name on the tape is also jumping too quickly to conclusions.

Yeah, of course if the name wasn't Daniel Thrace on the tape then it couldn't possibly have ever been Daniel :rolleyes: Daniel may or may not be Kara's father but dismissing it as a possibility based on the name on the tape is also jumping too quickly to conclusions.What the tape proves is that the guy that Kara thinks is her father did not go by the name Daniel. I suppose that he might have been Daniel, but I don't understand the basis for that speculation at all. My point is that people are calling this guy Daniel when it's not what he called himself.

Yeah, of course if the name wasn't Daniel Thrace on the tape then it couldn't possibly have ever been Daniel :rolleyes: Daniel may or may not be Kara's father but dismissing it as a possibility based on the name on the tape is also jumping too quickly to conclusions.

Ditto, Roland! Like if Cavell was "up to" rebooting the ENTIRE FINAL FIVE, implanting new memories into them and planting them amongst the colonies, he wouldn't have ALSO been "up to" planting a Daniel model with different memories and a different name implanted in his brain into the colonies, as well, without Ellen EVER knowing about it!

Almost without a doubt, the "head piano player" WAS either Kara's father, OR, as Cpanther has suggested, a masculine version of Kara. The only question remaining is WAS he "Daniel?"
Jeff

Cavil's name is John. No one calls him that, but it still is or was John. No telling what name Daniel went by.

Starbuck reminds me of Pink.

So What?

Starbuck reminds me of Pink.Yeah me too.

What the tape proves is that the guy that Kara thinks is her father did not go by the name Daniel. I suppose that he might have been Daniel, but I don't understand the basis for that speculation at all. My point is that people are calling this guy Daniel when it's not what he called himself.

As PDCL stated, we only found out recently that Cavil is also John. No one is stating it as fact that her father is Daniel, merely speculating. As for why we're speculating, Kara glowed like the final five in Ander's vision and she's obviously back from the dead. Signs point to her not being human but some sort of Cylon. She could be completely unrelated to Daniel but we know that he was an artist and so is Kara. The writers made that connection for a reason. Then the made an entire episode around her relationship with her father and music, culminating in her playing the song her father taught her...which was the song the FF heard in their heads at the nebula.

Don't you think there is at least some reason to speculate about that connection?

As PDCL stated, we only found out recently that Cavil is also John. No one is stating it as fact that her father is Daniel, merely speculating. As for why we're speculating, Kara glowed like the final five in Ander's vision and she's obviously back from the dead. Signs point to her not being human but some sort of Cylon. She could be completely unrelated to Daniel but we know that he was an artist and so is Kara. The writers made that connection for a reason. Then the made an entire episode around her relationship with her father and music, culminating in her playing the song her father taught her...which was the song the FF heard in their heads at the nebula.

Don't you think there is at least some reason to speculate about that connection?

Once again... DUH! I think the people who want to ARGUE this point simply due to the fact that Kara THINKS her father went by a DIFFERENT "D" name than Daniel are REALLY stretching a point to the thinness of a single atom!

We could be completely full of it with this speculation, but I think our common theory holds a lot of potential weight, and saying it's unlikely simply because "the names don't match" is kind of like saying New York and New Amsterdam aren't the same place!
Jeff

So we now know that Cavel let Boomer escape so she could retrieve Hera.

How much good is that going to do him. He'd still need a human. Maybe use Starbuck's eggs.

He doesn't care about her. I think shes bait.

We now know that Cavil has known the locations of the fleet at all times, since he sent Boomer right there. Before, when they had resurrection, he was just playing a game of cat and mouse to torment the final five.

Now He's drawing them in to a final trap

Anagram:

Dreilide Thrace Playing Piano = Cylon Daniel, A Hipper Digerati

Starbuck reminds me of Pink.

So What?

Yeah me too.

rsambuca isnt a Pink fan...."so what" was a #1 song for Pink. :D

Anagram:

Dreilide Thrace Playing Piano = Cylon Daniel, A Hipper Digerati

No it isn't. How is this a true anagram? There's no g in the first half. :p

Oh, and don't try pulling any funny business like "Well, there's a 'g' in anagram"

Sometimes I even scare myself! :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind

No it isn't. How is this a true anagram? There's no g in the first half. :p

Oh, and don't try pulling any funny business like "Well, there's a 'g' in anagram"

Sometimes I even scare myself! :D



So, the g at the end of playing doesn't count?

Once again... DUH! I think the people who want to ARGUE this point simply due to the fact that Kara THINKS her father went by a DIFFERENT "D" name than Daniel are REALLY stretching a point to the thinness of a single atom!Kara doesn't "THINK" that her father's name was something else--she owned a commercially produced and labelled tape of him playing in concert ("Dreilide Thrace, Live at the Helice Opera House"). He was a professional musician and that was the name that his work was published under.

It's purest speculation that Kara is related to Daniel. It could well be true, but your claim that I'm stretching a point is ridiculous. I'm just pointing to real evidence that we've been presented with. All you guys who think that Daniel has something to do with Kara are grasping at straws, AFAICS. We're told that there was a seventh model named Daniel who Cavil/John destroyed all instances of out of jealousy and suddenly everyone starts spouting theories about Daniel. Ooh, ooh!--Daniel must be Kara's father, making her some kind of Cylon--that explains how she came back from the dead (without explaining why her body doesn't test as being Cylon, or where she was ressurected, or where the brand-spankin'-new replica of her Viper with its magical ability to find the distress signal from her original Viper came from, etc, etc). Ooh, ooh!--Daniel must be Baltar's father--that explains how he survived the nuclear blast with only the body of a Six to shield him, etc, etc.

I'm not saying that any or all of these theories might not be true, and they're not utterly outrageous. (Kara having been taught the tune to "All Along the Watchtower" as a child is very interesting, but people were convinced that her father must be Daniel long before they knew this). But I hear people talking about them as if they were established fact. That's okay--it's your right. Have fun :).

To my mind there's still a huge piece of the puzzle missing, some conscious power capable of things that neither humans or Cylons have shown themselves to be capable of. I'm just hoping that, whatever it is, it doesn't get dangled over the stage on wires in the final scene :rolleyes:.

So, the g at the end of playing doesn't count?

Of course not, where did you go to school?? :eek:

Curses! Foiled again. :rolleyes:

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Circumstantial evidence but... Kara's Mother was a chain smoker and from the looks of it so was the Piano player... :D

I just thought of something, Tigh was talking about the dead baby having his eyes open, and looking right at him, he was freaked out about it.

Also Starbuck was with the Doc, talking about Anders having his eyes open, he told her it was normal for coma patients to do that.

I think theres some connection between the two. Could Anders be in there with the Cylon baby now, Doc did say the brain waves were weird.

Maybe Anders head provided a safe haven for little Liam's consciousness.

I just thought of something, Tigh was talking about the dead baby having his eyes open, and looking right at him, he was freaked out about it.

Also Starbuck was with the Doc, talking about Anders having his eyes open, he told her it was normal for coma patients to do that.

I think theres some connection between the two. Could Anders be in there with the Cylon baby now, Doc did say the brain waves were weird.

Maybe Anders head provided a safe haven for little Liam's consciousness.

How could you have "just thought of that," Liam, when I posted almost the identical thought right after the fetus died and Anders simultaneously began to show brain activity again? :p You havin' wunnadoes "dream memories?" :D

Seriously, yeah, a couple of us batted ideas to that effect around already, so you have a little company. Didn't hurt to bring it up again, though.

And to you, Michael, no intent to ruffle your plumage, here... I don't remember seeing the concert tape (I must have missed something SOMEWHERE). At any rate, as I suggested, just because he was LIVING as Dreilide Thrace doesn't mean he didn't start out as "Daniel," just as the Final Five started out with completely different histories and memories, which Cavil subsequently wiped from them and then replaced with others.

If the Daniel Model 7 WAS obliterated by Cavil and one of them WAS Kara's father that would very well explain what happened to him and why she never saw or heard from him again after he "left." Again, you're right, we could be all "out in left field" with this idea... But it does seem to fit.

I suspect that either way we're going to find out this coming Friday, as I think most of these final questions will be answered this coming week, so they can "get down to business" for the finale... At least I hope so.
Jeff

How could you have "just thought of that," Liam, when I posted almost the identical thought right after the fetus died and Anders simultaneously began to show brain activity again? :p You havin' wunnadoes "dream memories?" :D

Seriously, yeah, a couple of us batted ideas to that effect around already, so you have a little company. Didn't hurt to bring it up again, though.



My reference was strictly to the eyes being open, in this episode, in both dead Liam and Coma Anders, also Docs comment on weird brain wave activity. I hadn't given these events a second though, except Anders waking up.

I saw the posts from last episode and I though the same as you, that the baby dying and Anders new found brain waves are connected.

But looks like their giving some subtle confirmation on this, I think that baby is rebooting, so is anders. :p And did Tigh dump Caprica? If so, I call first dibs. :D;)

rsambuca isnt a Pink fan...."so what" was a #1 song for Pink. :D

Actually I am a fan, thus my joke!

Ummmmmmmm, who knows (OR CARES) WHAT Tom Cruise would do?!?!? :p I was SO TICKLED when his studio FIRED HIM after "Mission Impossible III" It didn't matter that another major studio picked him up after a brief hiatus. I just really thought he needed to be brought down SEVERAL notches!

Jeff, if you really want to see Tom Cruise taken down a notch, you should look up Quentin Tarentino's explanation of Top Gun on YouTube. Perhaps I've interjected a joke about something no one else has ever seen. Too bad, because it's funny as hell.

I've tried watching the original when SciFi has had marathons of it, but when I saw a robot riding a horse, I was like, "I'm out."

Uh! One of my favorite episodes! You gotta love a show that's so dedicated they have actually paint ponies with actual paint sprayed on them so they can be horses in space!

Anybody else think Helo should have noticed it wasn't his Sharon, he made the comment she smelled different. He still knocked the bottom out of it, with Sharon tied up watching. :)

Yeah, because that's where guys really start shutting down, is when a chick smells better than we expected.

Some people are too quick at jumping to conclusions.

Feels like there should be an Office Space joke sitting around here...

We're conversing on a web page--anyone who wants to know what a dreidel is can easily find out, in much more detail than they'd ever want. They can see a picture of a dreidel, read the words of the dreidel song in multiple languages and hear many versions of it sung :).

According to Wikipedia:

The dreidel's popularity is evident in pop culture, which includes the following examples: The Kinsey Sicks, an a cappella drag queen quartet, sing a parody of the dreidel song, titled "Maidl, Maidl, Maidl," in their holiday show, titled "Oy Vey in a Manger."

1988 Bette Midler as her character CC Bloom chants with her co-star Barbara Hershey the dreidel song in the movie Beaches . This is seen during flashbacks of the time they lived together and before they went their separate ways, marrying and becoming famous.

Sorry, I couldn't resist. No one had yet cracked an obnoxious Wikipedia joke to that remark, and I felt it needed mentioned. :p

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All things considered, I keep feeling better and better that a significant portion of the show's backstory is now going to be tied together. Also, with each underbudgeted episode I feel like they're going to really pull out all the stops for whizbangs these last few episodes. That, or all the money into those jetwash shots of Sharon's Raptor.

I thought one last trip around the tree for Chief and Sharon was pretty cool. Of course, the Chief should now really be feeling good about himself. Because all the other stuff, ya know, that wasn't enough. I actually kinda hate watching them pound on one of the most liked characters on the show.

Athena needs to get a tattoo. Make thing a lot easier for poor Helo.:cool:

It's purest speculation that Kara is related to Daniel. It could well be true, but your claim that I'm stretching a point is ridiculous. I'm just pointing to real evidence that we've been presented with. All you guys who think that Daniel has something to do with Kara are grasping at straws, AFAICS. We're told that there was a seventh model named Daniel who Cavil/John destroyed all instances of out of jealousy and suddenly everyone starts spouting theories about Daniel.

There's a certain logic to it,so I can see why many (including myself) would come to that conclusion. biggest factor for me is: with 5 eps left, why bring up 7th model, name him, describe him, yet not actually folllow up on it? It seems like a waste of time if the writers didn't intend to include him in the story.

I thought one last trip around the tree for Chief and Sharon was pretty cool. Of course, the Chief should now really be feeling good about himself. Because all the other stuff, ya know, that wasn't enough. I actually kinda hate watching them pound on one of the most liked characters on the show.

No kidding... Poor guy first discovers his secret girlfriend is a secret Cylon, who is then murdered by a co-worker, who he ends up "settling for" and marrying on New Caprica, and THINKS he has a baby with her... Then he discovers HE's a Cylon, and suddenly his Wife appears to commit suicide by flushing herself out of an airlock (and I think he DID sort of love her, if only for their child). Then he discovers it's not even HIS child and NOW he FINALLY gets HIS Sharon back (albeit in the Brig), only to risk losing her to a Cylon Treason trial and execution... So, he decides to risk EVERYTHING by freeing her, and HOW does she repay him??? She KIDNAPS the only Cylon/human hybrid, born to the OTHER Sharon onboard, the one who is TRULY LOYAL to the Humans, and blasts her way out of the ship, practically blowing it apart in the process -- Oh, and to boot, he secretly voted to abandon Gallactica in between.

Did I MISS anything? This guy should feel lower than a carpet tack about now, huh?

And YET I got the serious feeling out of self-preservation he's not ABOUT to 'fess up about his role in Boomer's escape, and will likely do his level best to cover it up, if possible.
Jeff

You left out that he killed a worker 8 for nothing.

You left out that he killed a worker 8 for nothing.

We don't know for a fact that she's dead. They showed her lying on Boomer's bed, with a big red spot on her forehead, but she could have just been knocked unconscious.
Jeff

And YET I got the serious feeling out of self-preservation he's not ABOUT to 'fess up about his role in Boomer's escape, and will likely do his level best to cover it up, if possible.
JeffDoubt it... Galen was beside himself when he thought he was a Cylon and beat Cally up before they were married... (when we first met Cavil)but who knows...

There's a certain logic to it,so I can see why many (including myself) would come to that conclusion. biggest factor for me is: with 5 eps left, why bring up 7th model, name him, describe him, yet not actually folllow up on it? It seems like a waste of time if the writers didn't intend to include him in the story.I'll confess that the more I think about it, the more I think that it's probably true. Too many breadcrumbs in the plot leading to that conclusion.
Doubt it... Galen was beside himself when he thought he was a Cylon and beat Cally up before they were married... (when we first met Cavil)but who knows...I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if the guilt of being complicit in Hera's abduction drives him to suicide.

I'll confess that the more I think about it, the more I think that it's probably true. Too many breadcrumbs in the plot leading to that conclusion.
I agree. I wouldn't be surprised if the guilt of being complicit in Hera's abduction drives him to suicide.

Aha! So we FINALLY wore ya down, did we, Mikey??? :p j/k

As for Galen committing suicide, the way he's going it wouldn't surprise me if he did it by sabotaging Gallactica, taking the whole ship with him, lol... Or, conversely, by jetting over to the Cylon baseship and doing something similar.
Jeff

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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes
Ummmmmmmm, who knows (OR CARES) WHAT Tom Cruise would do?!?!? I was SO TICKLED when his studio FIRED HIM after "Mission Impossible III" It didn't matter that another major studio picked him up after a brief hiatus. I just really thought he needed to be brought down SEVERAL notches!

Jeff, if you really want to see Tom Cruise taken down a notch, you should look up Quentin Tarentino's explanation of Top Gun on YouTube. Perhaps I've interjected a joke about something no one else has ever seen. Too bad, because it's funny as hell.

It would be GREAT if you could provide a LINK for that here, Kittycat, because I did a search on Youtube for "Quentin Tarantino & Top Gun" and got NO results, so I just searched for "Quentin Tarantino" and got 74 results, which I dutifully waded through, but NONE of the titles looked like they had ANYTHING to do with the movie "Top Gun" and I really didn't have the time to watch all of them to find out (although in a perfect world I probably wouldn't mind watching 74 clips of Tarantino -- he's a really interesting dude).

If you can't find the link, don't sweat it.
Jeff

There's a certain logic to it,so I can see why many (including myself) would come to that conclusion. biggest factor for me is: with 5 eps left, why bring up 7th model, name him, describe him, yet not actually folllow up on it? It seems like a waste of time if the writers didn't intend to include him in the story.
There is, and it may be true, however there is an alternative explanation: the writers had to do a CYA job for missing skinjob #7. Oh, his name was Daniel and Ellen was close to him and he was an artist and Cavil killed him. Beginning, middle, and end of the Daniel story right there. Plot hole "There Is No Number Seven" solved.

Didn't RDM mention once that the missing #7 was something they were just going to live with, and not address it? If there is a wider role for this Daniel character it will be interesting to see what Ron Moore has to say about when, exactly, the writers decided to do that. My money would be about an episode or 2 before Ellen returned.

It would be GREAT if you could provide a LINK for that here, Kittycat, because I did a search on Youtube for "Quentin Tarantino & Top Gun" and got NO results, so I just searched for "Quentin Tarantino" and got 74 results, which I dutifully waded through, but NONE of the titles looked like they had ANYTHING to do with the movie "Top Gun" and I really didn't have the time to watch all of them to find out (although in a perfect world I probably wouldn't mind watching 74 clips of Tarantino -- he's a really interesting dude).

If you can't find the link, don't sweat it.
Jeff

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/quentin-tarantino-taking-on-top-gun/2991528472/?icid=VIDLRVENT03

Edited to change link...other link had been removed from youtube for terms of service violation. It comes from a movie, not an interview, so the studios don't like seeing it posted.

This week's episode gives new meaning to the word "dark." I thought the Cylon theme, or whatever, played on the old out of tune and rundown piano was a nearly perfect metaphor for the old tired and, it seems, dying ship.

I don't pretend to really understand all that is going on. I missed too much in seasons before this one to be fully in tune with who is who and what is what. For example, there are so many 8s with so many motives, I wouldn't be able to keep up with them with a scorecard. The Three Card Monte game the chief played with them this week made my head spin. Perhaps all really will be explained in the final three episodes but I'll have to see it to believe it. :)

Anagram:

Dreilide Thrace Playing Piano = Cylon Daniel, A Hipper Digerati

Do you have a computer program that decodes possible anagrams, or is this just a peculiar "Forrest Gump-like" talent you were born with? :p

This week's episode gives new meaning to the word "dark." I thought the Cylon theme, or whatever, played on the old out of tune and rundown piano was a nearly perfect metaphor for the old tired and, it seems, dying ship.

Good observation, that.

I don't pretend to really understand all that is going on. I missed too much in seasons before this one to be fully in tune with who is who and what is what. For example, there are so many 8s with so many motives, I wouldn't be able to keep up with them with a scorecard. The Three Card Monte game the chief played with them this week made my head spin. Perhaps all really will be explained in the final three episodes but I'll have to see it to believe it. :)

There are really only two 8's that the show has concerned itself with. Sharon Valarie is Boomer, and she was the one that started suspecting she was a Cylon waaaay back in the series' second episode, "Water". She later shot Bill Adama twice in the gut, from which he recovered. She then became his confident, in an odd twist, but was shot by Callie. When she resurrected, she essentially defected, fully embraced her Cylon nature, and fell under Cavel's spell. She was the only 8 to side with his side in the Cylon civil war, and the one who just escaped with little Hera (apparently).

The other 8 that is prominently featured in the show is the one whose original mission was to seduce and, hopefully, get impregnated by Helo when he was stranded on a nuked Caprica. She later threw her lot in with the humans and was "re-tagged" as Athena. She is the mother of Hera, a very important little girl, as she's the only living evidence now that Cylons and humans can reproduce.

All the other 8's we've seen are essentially "redshirts", including the one that tricked Gaeta on New Caprica and was later killed by him on that Raptor (re: "Face of the Enemy" webisodes). See? Not so hard. ;)

http://video.aol.com/video-detail/quentin-tarantino-taking-on-top-gun/2991528472/?icid=VIDLRVENT03

Edited to change link...other link had been removed from youtube for terms of service violation. It comes from a movie, not an interview, so the studios don't like seeing it posted.Just watched the clip... what movie was that from? Also, wasn't Athena Adama's confidant, in the year before the Cylons arrived at New Caprica (been re-watching the series on DVD... just finished Season 2)?

Having not looked at the link, I would guess it is from "Sleep With Me."

Good movie for Meg Tilly fans.

jdg

Do you have a computer program that decodes possible anagrams, or is this just a peculiar "Forrest Gump-like" talent you were born with? :p

http://wordsmith.org/anagram/advanced.html

Also, what the heck does any of this have to do with BSG???

The sole surviving Daniel is painting on the beach at Zihuatanejo.

The sole surviving Daniel is painting on the beach at Zihuatanejo.

Hope is a good thing my friend.

Hope is a good thing my friend.

Yes, and according to Emily Dickinson, it is also the thing with feathers! ;)

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Chance favors the prepared mind

Off topic posts removed.

Well, to get things back on topic...

Anyone think we're being set up for Anders to be plugged into Galatica, possibly to find the lost colony?

We got cylon FTL's
We have an almost brain dead Anders
We already have talk of hooking him up as a hybrid
We have Galatica pretty much merged with baseship material.

Certainly the Cylon material would be tested now with that explosion, hoping it does its job and possibly saving Galactica from certain destruction..

Was that Six named "Sonja" or something? it seems they all have certain names for certain roles... Caprica Six, Natalie Six, etc..

Certainly the Cylon material would be tested now with that explosion, hoping it does its job and possibly saving Galactica from certain destruction..

Was that Six named "Sonja" or something? it seems they all have certain names for certain roles... Caprica Six, Natalie Six, etc.."Caprica Six" was just named that because of her role as an undercover agent on Caprica, seducing Baltar into giving her access to computers containing military secrets. Once she downloaded and was ressurected on Caprica, she was hailed as a great hero and given that title, since her successful mission was critical to the Cylon defeat of the Colonies. Certainly she must have had some name other than "Caprica Six" when she was undercover on Caprica, though I don't think it's been used since the mini-series (if it was ever given).

Certainly, every Cylon who worked undercover amongst humanity had a name other than their model number, and we've met other Sixes: Gina Inviere, Shelly Godfrey, Natalie, etc. It's possible that they all have names, if only for convenience in discussing one another. I'd imagine that being identical to thousands of others would tend to make a name important.

And yes, the new delegate to the "Quorum of Ship's Captains" is a model Six named Sonja.

Just another possible thought supporting the Daniel as PapaStarbuck theory:

In "No Exit" Ellen referred to Daniel as "sensitive and artistic".

In "Someone to Watch Over Me", Starbuck calls her imaginary Daddy an "oversensitive jackass."

Caught that on a rewatch. Yeah, I know. I need to find something else to do. :p

Caught that on a rewatch. Yeah, I know. I need to find something else to do. :p

Hey...I've been trying to re-watch the entire series for weeks/months(?) now. :p It's taking longer than I expected, but I'm finally about to start season 4. I'm thinking I'll be caught up just before next week's episode, which would be perfect timing.

Speaking of which, this is the first time that I've popped the 4.0 DVDs into my DVD player...who designed these menus? Seriously, they're pretty bad.

By the way, I remember before 4.5 started a lot of people were convinced that Hera and Nicky were Adam and Eve. Not so much now eh? Especially if Starbuck's also a hybrid. I suppose that throws one finale theory out the window.

I don't think there's a chance that Starbuck is the daughter of a Daniel model. If it were true, Hera would mean nothing and the cylons wouldn't care about her existence...

I don't think there's a chance that Starbuck is the daughter of a Daniel model. If it were true, Hera would mean nothing and the cylons wouldn't care about her existence...

The cylons wouldn't know that Starbuck's a hybrid since the Daniel model was supposed to have been boxed. As far as they know, Hera is the only hybrid in existence.

I don't think there's a chance that Starbuck is the daughter of a Daniel model. If it were true, Hera would mean nothing and the cylons wouldn't care about her existence...

Who ever said Cavil's faction really does?....

The cylons wouldn't know that Starbuck's a hybrid since the Daniel model was supposed to have been boxed. As far as they know, Hera is the only hybrid in existence.

The Cavils would know.

The Cavils would know.

Is it ever established that the entire line of Cavils is in the know? Or is it just the Cavil we know as John?

I know the entire line is supposed to have access to his memories when he downloads, but John appears to be elbows deep into the software.

In fact, considering he prevented the other models from even thinking about the Final Five, it's reasonable to assume he has asserted his individuality pretty far. There's no reason to think he hasn't somehow firewalled the other Cavils from accessing his own experiences.

To my mind, John has always been acting as dictator. He's programmed the hell out of all the other lines. The only big failure he's faced is that the directive to not harm the Final Five makes certain actions next to impossible. And in the cases of the Sixes, Eights and Twos the directive backfired.

The Cylon political is a conceived by John as a benevolent dictatorship, where all the votes go his way because he programmed the voters. Of course, that backfires as the Cylons increasingly individuate thanks to their heavy interaction with the humans.

Starbuck could be Daniel's daughter, and still not be a hybrid.

Starbuck could be Daniel's daughter, and still not be a hybrid.

Indeed.

But what I was saying was that a Daniel model could have gotten away...

Is it ever established that the entire line of Cavils is in the know? Or is it just the Cavil we know as John?

Does it really matter?

I think people are simply reaching for the carrot that Moore is dangling in front of everyone. Starbuck being a cylon/hybrid is an obvious and easy explanation for what happened to her. I would hope that Moore is a bit more clever than that.

This is coming from nowhere, so forgive me, but:

In the original BSG, the Lords of Kobal, I think, were "gods" that turned everyone's suits "white" during the final episodes.

Is this a possibility? Watchers of some sort?

Four way battle during the last episode?

I'm being obtuse on purpose.

This is coming from nowhere, so forgive me, but:

In the original BSG, the Lords of Kobal, I think, were "gods" that turned everyone's suits "white" during the final episodes.

Is this a possibility? Watchers of some sort?

Four way battle during the last episode?

I'm being obtuse on purpose.

SOMEONE warned the 5 about the coming war so they could prepare Resurrection and have a ship waiting. Since it was 2000 years ago that sort of limits the suspects...

This is coming from nowhere, so forgive me, but:

In the original BSG, the Lords of Kobal, I think, were "gods" that turned everyone's suits "white" during the final episodes.

Is this a possibility? Watchers of some sort?

Four way battle during the last episode?

I'm being obtuse on purpose.

We've touched on the "Ship of Lights" and "Beings of Light" a few times in past discussions as elements/beings that haven't made an appearance so far in the re-imaged BSG. Doesn't mean they ever will---but I'm betting some form of "higher power" may be introduced to account for the Cylon's belief in One God, and the Colonials belief in polytheism.

Then again, maybe not! :D

We've touched on the "Ship of Lights" and "Beings of Light" a few times in past discussions as elements/beings that haven't made an appearance so far in the re-imaged BSG. Doesn't mean they ever will---but I'm betting some form of "higher power" may be introduced to account for the Cylon's belief in One God, and the Colonials belief in polytheism.

Then again, maybe not! :D

hasn't Moore already said it's way to mystical and far out there for this series? God like beings of light, in a magical ship?

He does delve into faith quite a bit because of it's role, but fairy's and goblins aren't that central to the human (cylon) condition.

I just don't see this series going there. I don't think we'll be seeing their "Gods" at all. Maybe 3rd actors, but they'll be human, cylon, or hybrids.


On another note, not that it has relevance to a TV series, but in nature almost all hybrids are sterile. Hera would be a dead end, unless the cylons are really fundamentally human after all.

hasn't Moore already said it's way to mystical and far out there for this series? God like beings of light, in a magical ship?

He does delve into faith quite a bit because of it's role, but fairy's and goblins aren't that central to the human (cylon) condition.

I just don't see this series going there. I don't think we'll be seeing their "Gods" at all. Maybe 3rd actors, but they'll be human, cylon, or hybrids.


On another note, not that it has relevance to a TV series, but in nature almost all hybrids are sterile. Hera would be a dead end, unless the cylons are really fundamentally human after all.

Well, I could still see RDM using something akin to the Ships of Light - a Deus Ex Machina of a sort, but grounded in reality. (Or the reality of the show) Ellen Tigh has already mentioned that "something" is manipulating them. "Something" warned them of the impending attack on Earth 2000 years ago. "Something" is manipulating Starbuck - and either Starbuck has downloaded or there is something mystical going on...

It doesn't have to be "magic" or an actual "god" that is pulling the strings. But there is some heretofore unknown entity (or perhaps known, and we can't see it yet) out there that seems to be doing it.

^ That's more in line what I was thinking.

Given Leoben's reaction to Kara when they discovered her crashed Viper...it looked like even HE didn't know what she was. There is a yet to be revealed "Something".

I'll be disappointed if they resort to a Deus Ex Machina answer like the ship of light beings. To go 4 years without mentioning them until the last 4 episodes cheapens the story, IMO. I do agree there there is a third entity to be revealed but my guess is that it's a hidden colony of either cylons and humans living together or hybrids like Hera.

To go 4 years without mentioning them until the last 4 episodes cheapens the story, IMO.

Agreed. They can do better than that.

I'll be disappointed if they resort to a Deus Ex Machina answer like the ship of light beings. To go 4 years without mentioning them until the last 4 episodes cheapens the story, IMO. I do agree there there is a third entity to be revealed but my guess is that it's a hidden colony of either cylons and humans living together or hybrids like Hera.

Fully agree. It will feel like a monumental cop-out to introduce some sort of "mystical/angelic" beings this close to the finish line. And it seems like they've always tried to keep this show grounded in a sense of realism as well, so it would seem out of place.

I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the Lords were Cylons...possibly survivors from "our" Earth. Which is why they were able to pass on songs, names, mythology, etc. from our planet. In keeping with the biblical/Paradise Lost theme, perhaps the discovery of downloading technology by the tribes was the forbidden fruit which caused the Lords to cast everyone out of Eden/Kobol. Perhaps they are the ones behind the "head" manifestations.

I could be and probably am 100% wrong however. Sorry if that's already been discussed/disproven, I can't totally recall all of the mythology associated with it.

I think people are simply reaching for the carrot that Moore is dangling in front of everyone. Starbuck being a cylon/hybrid is an obvious and easy explanation for what happened to her. I would hope that Moore is a bit more clever than that.

To be honest, at this stage in the show, anything clever would take too much time. Too much of a cop out at this point.

I'll be disappointed if they resort to a Deus Ex Machina answer like the ship of light beings. To go 4 years without mentioning them until the last 4 episodes cheapens the story, IMO.

And especially since the writers have mentioned that they wanted to introduce the Cylon God into the story in Season One and then they backed out of the idea. They had their chance. They didn't take it when the time was right (probably around the time Baltar used his index finger to win the war).

I'm sure with Caprica coming along and rumors of a feature film in the works, not all things are going to be answered anyhow. I'm just trying to figure out how rushed the explanations we get are going to be with about four hours of show left to air.

What I really hate is that Sam is very obviously going to be Deus Ex #1, there to lazily fill in any plot holes by saying, "I remember that _______ happened."

What I really hate is that Sam is very obviously going to be Deus Ex #1, there to lazily fill in any plot holes by saying, "I remember that _______ happened."IMHO, he's already been deus ex--his whole "I remember everything" spiel seemed a pretty cheap and forced plot device. We learn more about the nature of the Final Five and origins of the modern Cylons in 20 minutes than we'd done in the previous 20 episodes. Aren't we ever so lucky that he got his memory jogged by a bullet in just the right place :rolleyes:.

However:

The gods and the spiritual aspect has been a running theme in the series.

It wouldn't be "new" to bring the Lords of Kobol (Beings of Light) into the last 3 episodes. That has been the whole background subplot of the series, has it not?

IMHO, there is no other explaination for Starbuck's resurrection than being "recreated" by a further advanced, transcended, godlike race.

They have to identify The Lords Of Kobol to finish (and restart) the circle, don't you think?

That can't be the toaster Cylons, BTW.

I think Ron Moore has just been using religion to explore different themes on the nature of humanity. It's interesting that both the de facto leaders of the humans and Cylons, Adama and Cavel, are both atheists. This has been a secular show and it will have a secular conclusion. But to ignore the importance of religion, both poly and mono-theistic, in the evolution of humanity is to ignore a large part of the human condition. I believe Moore is saying that some form of religious expression is probably inescapable for the development of sentient life.

But that doesn't explain the tangible manifestions of a "guiding force" that has happened in other episodes, nor does it explain who helped or rigged/ rebuilt Starbuck's viper and body.

I think it has to be an intervention from a higher power, if not a "god" or "lord".

I'm sort of on the same page as SkyLite. From the very beginning, Head Six has said that she's an angel of god, so would seeing a god-like being really be that much of a surprise when one could have been right in front of our eyes the whole time?

And Starbuck's been told that she's special going all the way back into season 1 with Leoben.

Now, would I be disappointed if they took the supernatural route? Not really (I'm an atheist myself but I have no problem if they go that route). But I would be surprised.

That route wouldn't bother me if they explained who transcended and how.

Sure wish they had just another year.

If this has been asked and answered by a real reference source (like a Ron Moore) please post the link:

Has it ever been established what timeframe BSG is in relative to "our" present? Is this "a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" or "some point way in the future"?

and just some more food for thought:

If it "has all happened before and will happen again", does this mean the Lords Of Kobol have to be destroyed in order for the cycle to begin again or is this mean't for the Cylons and Humans alone as the cycle and the "Lords" are eternal?

If so, then that doesn't finish the cycle, does it, unless every time it happens, a new race of "Lords" are created, eventually?

Sorry. I guess I'm getting ahead of myself.

Has it ever been established what timeframe BSG is in relative to "our" present? Is this "a long, long time ago in a galaxy far, far away" or "some point way in the future"?

Sometime in our future, I would think, as "All Along the Watchtower" has clearly already been composed. Also, long enough for humanity to leave for the stars and the 13th tribe to move in, and back out again. You could also look at it from an anthropological point of view - humans evolved to look the way they do here on earth, so it all must have begun here.

Sometime in our future, I would think, as "All Along the Watchtower" has clearly already been composed. Also, long enough for humanity to leave for the stars and the 13th tribe to move in, and back out again. You could also look at it from an anthropological point of view - humans evolved to look the way they do here on earth, so it all must have begun here.

Doesn't really seem to matter... looks like we're heading towards our OWN "experiment in humanoid recycling" anyway. :p No power, last two days, courtesty of snow storm and lousy power company turnaround... Happy to be back ;)
Jeff

Sometime in our future, I would think, as "All Along the Watchtower" has clearly already been composed. Also, long enough for humanity to leave for the stars and the 13th tribe to move in, and back out again. You could also look at it from an anthropological point of view - humans evolved to look the way they do here on earth, so it all must have begun here.

I guess that's where it is fuzzy to me. I can buy that it is set at some future date.....but in BSG cosmology, isn't Kobol considered the birthplace of humanity? Maybe that's where "Watchtower" was composed, and Shakespeare lived :D.

Somewhere I thought RDM said that the Earth shown was "our" Earth....and its only (former) inhabitants were Centurion and skinjob Cylons....so no humans (does that mean....no humans ever ?)

Well, considering that there ARE humans on earth, and nothing in the fossil records to suggest cylons, this would have to be in the distant future.

Doesn't really seem to matter... looks like we're heading towards our OWN "experiment in humanoid recycling" anyway. :p No power, last two days, courtesty of snow storm and lousy power company turnaround... Happy to be back ;)
Jeff

Snow? What is this strange word of which you speak? :eek:

I sometimes miss the old New Jersey winters living here in Florida....but then I am reminded of what that stuff (that snow thing) can do one's comfort. Anyway, glad you are back....and especially before Friday with a new BSG episode in the hopper.

Well, considering that there ARE humans on earth, and nothing in the fossil records to suggest cylons, this would have to be in the distant future.

Or set in, you know, a fictional universe?

Snow? What is this strange word of which you speak? :eek:

I sometimes miss the old New Jersey winters living here in Florida....but then I am reminded of what that stuff (that snow thing) can do one's comfort. Anyway, glad you are back....and especially before Friday with a new BSG episode in the hopper.

Gee thanks, Peter! I didn't think I'd be missed (except maybe by those who'd be glad I was missing :D) As for the snow, please note I AM in SOUTH Carolina -- albeit the northwest part of the state. This was the most snow we've had in maybe 10 years, and still just about 4 inches, but it was a wet snow that fell (along with temps) after two days of fairly steady rain (which caused it to hang on -- and thus bring down -- a lot of trees, including a big one in my back yard that creamed my fence, has temporarily cut my neighbor's driveway in half and crushed part of HIS pool fence, too). The power outage for our section of neighborhood, though was pure blown transformer -- NO downed lines -- and the whole rest of the neighborhood had power back yesterday or sooner, while Duke Energy's automated number was quoting 11 p.m. TOMORROW for US! So I called their Customer Service number about 2 p.m., today, and told them this dozen or so houses on this one street has a lot of elderly folks with medical needs, and that although I'm only 51, I have sleep apnea and need a CPAP for sleep, haven't had it for 2 nights and am NOT feeling well... POWER was back on an hour later, lol! Never hurts to call!

To keep on topic, I'm a "spiritual agnostic," of sorts, which means I believe in God, but I think it's every seeker's duty to constantly question and, well... seek, lol. I'll be happy WITH or WITHOUT some bright, shining "celestial being(s)" coming into the picture in the final 3 episodes, so long as everything "fits" and the story end is convincing and satisfying... sorta like a Snicker's bar. ;)
Jeff

I agree.

Snow? What is this strange word of which you speak? :eek:

I sometimes miss the old New Jersey winters living here in Florida....but then I am reminded of what that stuff (that snow thing) can do one's comfort. Anyway, glad you are back....and especially before Friday with a new BSG episode in the hopper.

Are you nuts? OK. I see you finally got your stuff together.

I'm in Northern New Jersey and thinking about going south.

Reminds me of the Cylons and Humans going to and fro. :)

oh, now i get it! Its a poker analogy. Asses and eights. That rdm is a real card alright :rolleyes:

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lol!!!!

I just went on the BSG Official Site.

Saw Adama and Galen ( Olmos and ?) at a convention.

Galen was funny as $hit. It was in 3 parts. He's quite the comedian.

You don't learn anything more about the story line, but do learn about the actors.

When the actor of Tigh (?), in another interview, covers his good eye and says: "God dammit!" with his lips turned down in a grimace and acting like his character, ILMAO.

My apologies if I disrupted this board, somehow.

I can kill a thread quicker than..........

My apologies if I disrupted this board, somehow.

I can kill a thread quicker than..........

Ooooops, NO SkyLite, don't start thinking THAT! This thread NORMALLY gets "deathly quiet" about the middle of the week... Then some of us get REALLY OT sometimes (almost at our peril, lol) until just before showtime Friday, when things pick up again... It's just the nature of this particular thread... By Tuesday night, most people who ARE going to post a thought about the latest episode, or the series, in general, ALREADY HAVE, for the time being.

HOWEVER, if you want to get things rolling along a little better again, you could, VERY KINDLY, post A LINK to those video interviews on the BSG website you cited above. Believe it or not, sometimes those things are harder to find than one might think (I haven't even TRIED, yet, hoping you'd be kind to us, hint hint) ;)
Jeff

I guess that's where it is fuzzy to me. I can buy that it is set at some future date.....but in BSG cosmology, isn't Kobol considered the birthplace of humanity? Maybe that's where "Watchtower" was composed, and Shakespeare lived :D.



Just because the colonials believe that, doesn't make it true. A few thousand years is more than enough time to "forget" the true origin of your species, especially if attempts were deliberately made to obscure such information.

Just because the colonials believe that, doesn't make it true. A few thousand years is more than enough time to "forget" the true origin of your species, especially if attempts were deliberately made to obscure such information.

Moore has said that Kobol was the birthplace of humanity in the series.

I was looking on G4TV for a clip from a couple years ago where they had a guy doing a Tigh impersonation for a BSG game review. Unfortunately, the vid seems to no longer play :(

Moore has said that Kobol was the birthplace of humanity in the series.

I thought that might be the case, since that was the premise in TOS,

"There are those who believe that life here began out there, far across the universe, with tribes of humans who may have been the forefathers of the Egyptians, or the Toltecs, or the Mayans. That they may have been the architects of the great pyramids, or the lost civilizations of Lemuria or Atlantis. Some believe that there may yet be brothers of man who even now fight to survive somewhere beyond the heavens..." (from the original Patrick MacNee voiceover).

Well, considering that there ARE humans on earth, and nothing in the fossil records to suggest cylons, this would have to be in the distant future.


Or set in, you know, a fictional universe?

Well now, that be a great way to both prove creationists right, and piss them off to no ends. We're all cylon's from the stars! History lost to time.

:)

(not a dig on anyones view imo)

Moore has said that Kobol was the birthplace of humanity in the series.

From the swamps of Kobol if I remember correctly. The again, did humanity come from the Saharan plains? I think we'll just have to call this a fiction take on origins, unless it's explained in the last few episodes.

With only three left, I'm getting worried they might not be able to wrap up the major questions successfully. then again, they did have quite a bit in the mini, so they're good of packing the relevant episodes when they need to.

Are you nuts? OK. I see you finally got your stuff together.

I'm in Northern New Jersey and thinking about going south.

Reminds me of the Cylons and Humans going to and fro. :)

Consider it carefully...we have palmetto bugs (read roaches) the size of Volkswagens. If you think Cylons are scary, try stepping on one of those in the dark in the middle of the night. You can kill them, but then they resurrect and bring even more of their "friends".

Well now, that be a great way to both prove creationists right, and piss them off to no ends.


Best to pay them no mind, marginalize them, and know that eventually they'll all die off. Ignorance has a way of taking care of itself. ;)

Interview with Tigh is the second one from the top.

The convention with Adama and Chief are split into 3 sections further down.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/tvdoc_001.htm

Best to pay them no mind, marginalize them, and know that eventually they'll all die off. Ignorance has a way of taking care of itself. ;)

Your reasoning seems flawed. It is religious people who believe in having children and grandchildren while the non-religious stop at one or two designer kids (if they have any at all) and then go off on journeys of self-discovery. Evolution favors the former, not the latter.

Your reasoning seems flawed. It is religious people who believe in having children and grandchildren while the non-religious stop at one or two designer kids (if they have any at all) and then go off on journeys of self-discovery. Evolution favors the former, not the latter.


Oh, I think you might be surprised to find out how many people believe in procreation and education. ;)

Oh, I think you might be surprised to find out how many people believe in procreation and education. ;)

You two should take this offline.

You two should take this offline.

Excuse me? Probably best not to try to sow conflict where there is none. Can we get back to the show now?

OK, this is messed up. This morning Sci-Fi changed Thursday's schedule and mysteriously dropped episodes 4.09 and 4.10 from their Thursday repeat schedule. Basically, last Thursday ended with 4.08 (FAITH) and is skipping two episodes in the repeat cycle.

WTF?! Some of you know I am new to Galactica and have been watching DVD's over the last four weeks to catch up to the present, in hopes of watching the series finale live. That was the plan and it should have worked.

Which discs from Season 4 have those two episodes? I am going to try and rent them asap via Netflix.

Thanks so much for the assist.

Excuse me? Probably best not to try to sow conflict where there is none. Can we get back to the show now?

Exactly my point. No need to take it personal, or look for insult where there is none. I didn't ask you to stop your discussion, just to take it to a private forum.

Exactly my point. No need to take it personal, or look for insult where there is none. I didn't ask you to stop your discussion, just to take it to a private forum.

The point was that there was no "discussion" wanted or needed privately or otherwise, although for some reason you keep thinking there was. I have no idea why.

Which discs from Season 4 have those two episodes? I am going to try and rent them asap via Netflix.


Discs 3 and 4.

Consider it carefully...we have palmetto bugs (read roaches) the size of Volkswagens. If you think Cylons are scary, try stepping on one of those in the dark in the middle of the night. You can kill them, but then they resurrect and bring even more of their "friends".

I was touring and did a stint in Florida and ran up against one of those monsters.

I'd left my coffee cup on my make-up table over night and came in, the next day, to find a giant roach in the cup.

I drank tea for the remainder of the tour.....after buying a new cup.

Ooooops, NO SkyLite, don't start thinking THAT! This thread NORMALLY gets "deathly quiet" about the middle of the week... Then some of us get REALLY OT sometimes (almost at our peril, lol) until just before showtime Friday, when things pick up again... It's just the nature of this particular thread... By Tuesday night, most people who ARE going to post a thought about the latest episode, or the series, in general, ALREADY HAVE, for the time being.

HOWEVER, if you want to get things rolling along a little better again, you could, VERY KINDLY, post A LINK to those video interviews on the BSG website you cited above. Believe it or not, sometimes those things are harder to find than one might think (I haven't even TRIED, yet, hoping you'd be kind to us, hint hint) ;)
Jeff

Thanks, Jeff.

I do think those interviews are a bit dated but I hadn't seen them before.

Matt and Nat seem to really try to help with all the madness and they got better as they went along. But their guesses are no better than the ones here, except for maybe them noticing the 666 references in Thrace's drawings. :)

I think I read that somewhere. Don't quote me.

I was touring and did a stint in Florida and ran up against one of those monsters.

I'd left my coffee cup on my make-up table over night and came in, the next day, to find a giant roach in the cup.

I drank tea for the remainder of the tour.....after buying a new cup.

The ones with wings are even worse when they fly around the room. I'm sure they are mini-Cylons in disguise :D

hmmmm.....

Maybe Cylon drones??

Interview with Tigh is the second one from the top.

The convention with Adama and Chief are split into 3 sections further down.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/outside_docs/tvdoc_001.htm

I bow at your feet, SkyLite! You now have my undying devotion! I send you waves of warmth from the Sunny South!

That three-parter with Eddie and Aaron was PRICELESS! The interview with Michael Hogan was pretty good, too. I also watched an on-stager with Tricia Helfer, although the sound was pretty bad and you couldn't really understand everything she said... There are still SCADS of clips on that website I haven't had time to get to, so I saved it for later... I probably would have NEVER found that on my own!

Thanks MUCH!
Jeff

The point was that there was no "discussion" wanted or needed privately or otherwise, although for some reason you keep thinking there was. I have no idea why.

When people reply back and forth to one another, it is often referred to as a discussion. There was no 'wanting' or 'needing' a discussion...you were already having it. You were both having a discussion regarding religion and the moral/evolutional advantages of childbearing. I was suggesting that you take that discussion to a private forum, rather than inundating the rest of us with it. It's way off topic (at least in the manner in which the subject was being addressed). No insult was intended, just trying to get the focus back on the show.

You're welcome, Jeff.

Pleased I could add a little something.

Enjoy!

When people reply back and forth to one another, it is often referred to as a discussion. There was no 'wanting' or 'needing' a discussion...you were already having it. You were both having a discussion regarding religion and the moral/evolutional advantages of childbearing. I was suggesting that you take that discussion to a private forum, rather than inundating the rest of us with it. It's way off topic (at least in the manner in which the subject was being addressed). No insult was intended, just trying to get the focus back on the show.

No, I'm sorry, but you have been trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here, and any potential "inundation" was not going to be forthcoming. What was said concluded the exchange (no way it could qualify as a "discussion"). There were going to be no further remarks from anyone, yet you go on and on with this. I respectfully suggest you wait for a war to start before you try to play peacemaker; that's all I was saying. Otherwise, you just end up putting people on the defensive for nothing. I can't believe I'm still talking about it. :rolleyes: Let it go; we sure did.

No, I'm sorry, but you have been trying to make a mountain out of a molehill here, and any potential "inundation" was not going to be forthcoming. What was said concluded the exchange (no way it could qualify as a "discussion"). There were going to be no further remarks from anyone, yet you go on and on with this. I respectfully suggest you wait for a war to start before you try to play peacemaker; that's all I was saying. Otherwise, you just end up putting people on the defensive for nothing. I can't believe I'm still talking about it. :rolleyes: Let it go; we sure did.

LOL Whatever. I guess everything is subjective. Some people just take offense at anything. Moving on. Please PM me if you have anything further to say on the matter.

Who/what are The Lords Of Kobol?

That would seem to be the underlying question.

Yes? No? :D

Who/what are The Lords Of Kobol?

That would seem to be the underlying question.

Yes? No? :D

INDEED it would be -- the $64,000 QUESTION in my estimation (and likely the estimation of MOST fans of the show). I'm thinking if there's ONE question left unanswered that will leave many of us "feeling wanting" THAT'S the one. However, if they "write around it" and wrap the show successfully WITHOUT addressing it, I can still deal with it.

As for you adding "a little something" to the thread, SkyLite, frankly, for folks like me who are VERY net-savvy yet tire of the sometimes endless searching required to find some things like that webpage, I think you added A LOT!
Jeff

P.S. I have several THOUSAND links saved in probably close to 100 different categories ranging from Science to Gardening to Computers to Photography to Politics, Religion -- a great VARIETY of topics, and just about anything I thought was worth saving... I'm always willing to share, as well. So if somebody's looking for something and can't find it, feel free to ask me -- I just MIGHT have "the link," lol.

Who/what are The Lords Of Kobol?

That would seem to be the underlying question.

Yes? No? :D

I've been saying that for some time now. My theory was that the Lords of Kobol would be actual beings rather than simply mythological gods a la the "Ship of Light" episodes from the original series. I figured RDM would use the Pegasus storyline and the Ship of Light in the new series. But with only a couple of episodes left I'm beginning to doubt that they'll bring out something so monumentally huge so late in the game.

However, I can see no real satisfying answer for Kara within the mythology of the Cylons, Final Five, and humans. So it would seem something else is needed to explain her. We'll find out soon!

I agree, David.

Battlestar Galactica: TOS

BSG: TNG

Caprica: Starship Galactica

Lords Of Kobol: We're in Deep $hit. Nine Cylons left. (Where's Odo?)

Lords Of Kobol: Voyager ( didn't jump fast enough. Oh crap, we're f*cked!)

Lords Of Kobol: Generations (It's happened before....this isn't real, is it?)

etc........

I'm too tired to go further. :)

Battlestar Galactica: TOS

BSG: TNG

Caprica: Starship Galactica

Lords Of Kobol: We're in Deep $hit. Nine Cylons left. (Where's Odo?)

Lords Of Kobol: Voyager ( didn't jump fast enough. Oh crap, we're f*cked!)

Lords Of Kobol: Generations (It's happened before....this isn't real, is it?)

etc........

I'm too tired to go further. :)

You catch on QUICKLY young paduan... Too quickly, I think.

The FARCE is strong with this one Oh-Be-Warned!

Dark Raiders will get you!

I did build my own sabre.

My recent posts are the first times I've posted in this thread as long as I can remember....... It is a long thread, but I love the flow of everyone's input.

I guess I'm just "gifted" "with the farce strong with me".

You guys ARE fun! :D

It does seem that they've taken several plot lines to stay structured with several key points of the original story line:

Blah...blah....blah...

and finally:

The Lords Of Kobol.

Sorry to belabor this but what else would there be?

My feeling is this mysterious "Colony" that Cavel spoke of to Ellen is going to figure prominently in the endgame, with the future of both humans and Cylons at stake. We'll find out about Kara's origin and Roslin's strange connection to Hera. I don't think there are any "Lords of Kobol", per se. But we may meet "Daniel" on the Colony.

^ At the very least, the "Colony" has been mentioned before so it would seem reasonable that it somehow plays a part in the endgame.

However, I can see no real satisfying answer for Kara within the mythology of the Cylons, Final Five, and humans. So it would seem something else is needed to explain her. We'll find out soon!

Not only do we not know what she is, we don't know how the hell she got from the maelstrom to Earth. (if she even did. The Earth cylons had toasters, who's to say they didn't have vipers).

She's part final five cylon, or part "3rd other colony", as they were the only ones with memories of Earth.

Not only do we not know what she is, we don't know how the hell she got from the maelstrom to Earth. (if she even did. The Earth cylons had toasters, who's to say they didn't have vipers).
My angst over the final wrap on BSG is partly due to the fact that I don't care anymore about Starbuck's true origin or special destiny. That storyline has been left to twist in the wind AFAIC. Sure, we'll get some closure on it, but another part of my angst has to do with RDM cutting his teeth on ST TNG. That show raised "rushing the ending" to a new level. 40 minutes of great story and/or action and a don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it finish. I hope that doesn't happen here, but I don't see any way it can not happen now.

So when does SciFi make the surprise announcement that they're holding back the finale until April?

So when does SciFi make the surprise announcement that they're holding back the finale until April?

Why would you think they'd do that?

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So when does SciFi make the surprise announcement that they're holding back the finale until April?

Why would you think they'd do that?

I think he's just being sardonic and expecting the worst, Roland (and it really WOULDN'T surprise me, either)!

After all, ABC just brought back a new season of "Lost" a few weeks ago; has had only a HANDFUL of new episodes, and is ALREADY taking a one-week break!

Sci-Fi could very EASILY run this week's final pre-finale episode then take a two-week break, or something, before the two-week, 3-hour finale... It wouldn't surprise me ONE BIT, and there's not a danged thing any one of us can do about it if they do! :mad:
Jeff

... but another part of my angst has to do with RDM cutting his teeth on ST TNG. That show raised "rushing the ending" to a new level. 40 minutes of great story and/or action and a don't-blink-or-you'll-miss-it finish.

I remember the ending of ST TNG as being a two-hour event called "All Good Things", and is highly regarded in terms of series finales. Now, Voyager had an ending like you describe - ridiculously abrupt and cheesy for a 7-year series. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

According SCI-FI's online schedule the final 2 episodes run from 8-11pm EDT on March 20.

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DREILIDE THRACE...

reverse the first name...

EDILIERD... ED(ward James Olmos)-I-LIE-R(onald)D(middle name).

Somebody posted this on one of the "BG" forums (Mo Ryan's or Alan Sepinwall's), probably the same person that bought a PlayStation back in 1996 after seeing the 'urnote' magazine ads. :p

That must be a trick writers use.

I read where they tried to get Sean Connery to do Star Trek V but they got Luckinbill (Lucy Arnezs' husband) for the role of Sybok, instead.

In honor of Sean Connery, they named the Vulcan Eden "Sha Ka Ree".

Think about it. :)

That must be a trick writers use.

I read where they tried to get Sean Connery to do Star Trek V but they got Luckinbill (Lucy Arnezs' husband) for the role, instead.

In honor of Sean Connery, they named the Vulcan Eden "Sha Ka Ree".

Think about it. :)

Are you baiting us, SkyLite? :p

Naw, Jeff.

My worm is too small. :p

monday march 16 at 10:00pm sci-fi has a 1 hour galactica special.

its in skylites shows post but didnt want it to get lost in the mix there.

I remember the ending of ST TNG as being a two-hour event called "All Good Things", and is highly regarded in terms of series finales. Now, Voyager had an ending like you describe - ridiculously abrupt and cheesy for a 7-year series. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of.

Pretty much. TNG was much more serialized (or bottled). Some themes carried from show to show, some loose plots, but for the most part every episode was a stand alone minus the season and series finales. It's one thing Moore hated from what I remember reading, and was only able to directly influence once he had more clout in DS9.

The plot arches in DS9 compared to the single stories in TNG are pretty apparent.

Pretty much. TNG was much more serialized (or bottled). Some themes carried from show to show, some loose plots, but for the most part every episode was a stand alone minus the season and series finales. It's one thing Moore hated from what I remember reading.

Yeah, with TNG, there wasn't really anything to tie up. So, they just focused on a good story that gave some resolution to the characters.

DS9, in it's final 3 or 4 seasons (starting from about when Ron Moore took over), was heavily serialized, way more than any Star Trek series before or since, and though the last few episodes felt sort of rushed, they did a good job of tying up some loose story threads and giving a decent closure to the characters. Like or dislike what they did with Sisko at the end, at least they didn't really leave any storylines hanging.

I remember the ending of ST TNG as being a two-hour event called "All Good Things", and is highly regarded in terms of series finales. Now, Voyager had an ending like you describe - ridiculously abrupt and cheesy for a 7-year series. Perhaps that's what you're thinking of.
"All Good Things" was a tour de force in series endings. The kudos RDM & company received for that were well deserved. What I was referring to wasn't how they wrapped up TNG, but how many individual episodes along the way were done. We lost count of the number of times we'd watch an episode, look at the clock, and say, "Well, there's only 5 minutes left. I wonder how they'll rush this ending?" Countless times. I can't say for sure whether RDM was the guilty party in any specific episodes that were like that. There were many of them. The point is, he worked on a series where handling stories in that fashion was acceptable. His association with Pillar and Berman and *gag* Brannon Barraga may have been good for his career, but I wouldn't give you 2 cents for any of those guys' work. They didn't do the Star Trek franchise any favors IMO, although Paramount made a bundle, and that's really all that matters in Hollywood.

I know I should have posted this theory many weeks ago:o (and I apologize if someone else has stated this theory):
Could the Cylons' inability to have children actualy be caused by some kind of radiation given off by Cylon technology? In the episode where Tigh lost his baby, I intially thought that the reason for Caprica 6's miscarage was Ellen's jealousy and Tigh not loving Caprica 6 enough. The second time I watched the episode with my brother. He pointed out that the reason the show kept cutting back to the sceen where the Cylons were aplying the "goop" to the hull fractures was because that Cylon "goop" was causing the miscarage. Think about it; Caprica 6's pregnancy had more and more problems as the "goop" was aplied to the ship. The only other instance of a Cylon being pregnant was Athena. Her entire pregnancy she avoided Cylon technology, other than a short ride aboard a Cylon Heavy Raider. I bet that if she had went aboard a Cylon Baystar while pregnant, she would have miscaried the baby.

I know I should have posted this theory many weeks ago:o (and I apologize if someone else has stated this theory):
Could the Cylons' inability to have children actualy be caused by some kind of radiation given off by Cylon technology? In the episode where Tigh lost his baby, I intially thought that the reason for Caprica 6's miscarage was Ellen's jealousy and Tigh not loving Caprica 6 enough. The second time I watched the episode with my brother. He pointed out that the reason the show kept cutting back to the sceen where the Cylons were aplying the "goop" to the hull fractures was because that Cylon "goop" was causing the miscarage. Think about it; Caprica 6's pregnancy had more and more problems as the "goop" was aplied to the ship. The only other instance of a Cylon being pregnant was Athena. Her entire pregnancy she avoided Cylon technology, other than a short ride aboard a Cylon Heavy Raider. I bet that if she had went aboard a Cylon Baystar while pregnant, she would have miscaried the baby.

That's a FASCINATING theory, randalthor, and I, for one, DO NOT remember EVER seeing it posted anywhere in this thread before. It makes perfect sense to me... could be totally off-track; might never come up one way or the other, BUT, it could very well be the case... That "goop" could have all SORTS of properties that "inhibit" all SORTS of things along with "regenerating" others. There's almost ALWAYS a trade-off with things like that.
Jeff

I know I should have posted this theory many weeks ago:o (and I apologize if someone else has stated this theory):
Could the Cylons' inability to have children actualy be caused by some kind of radiation given off by Cylon technology? In the episode where Tigh lost his baby, I intially thought that the reason for Caprica 6's miscarage was Ellen's jealousy and Tigh not loving Caprica 6 enough. The second time I watched the episode with my brother. He pointed out that the reason the show kept cutting back to the sceen where the Cylons were aplying the "goop" to the hull fractures was because that Cylon "goop" was causing the miscarage. Think about it; Caprica 6's pregnancy had more and more problems as the "goop" was aplied to the ship. The only other instance of a Cylon being pregnant was Athena. Her entire pregnancy she avoided Cylon technology, other than a short ride aboard a Cylon Heavy Raider. I bet that if she had went aboard a Cylon Baystar while pregnant, she would have miscaried the baby.

Wow, now that's interesting!!!! :eek:

Dead Kara Walking. It just gets better and better.

I just finished watching the episode, and just don't know what to say.

Great Acting again by all. This Episode kept my attention the whole episode again and just went by way too fast.

WoW

My sound on Cablevision sucks big donkey d@cks.

I can't seem to catch most of what they are saying.

Guess I'll have to try and watch it again with CC.

Great scene in sickbay with Laura and Bill smoking the hidden Tobacco product! :)

My sound on Cablevision sucks big donkey d@cks.

I can't seem to catch most of what they are saying.

Guess I'll have to try and watch it again with CC.

I've got CV on Long Island and the sound was fine. I will be re-recording the midnight re-broadcast, though, because of several horrible picture freezes during the show.

That was an excellent episode. My favorite moment was when Adama broke down when he finally realized he couldn't deny the truth any more about the condition of Galactica. Right after he threw the tray of white paint against the wall, my girlfriend blurted out, "Galactica not so actual." You had to be there.

I think it's a red herring that they're going to abandon ship. It's the name of the frakking show fer chrissakes. How can they have a Battlestar Galactica movie without Galactica? Not gonna happen. Or if it does happen, the entity that gave Kara a brand new Viper will give Bill and Saul a brand new battlestar.

At the very beginning, where was Hera playing on the star map with the ship models? Looked like Pegasus to me. I had this awful thought that in the end a little girl is going to wake up somewhere and we'll all find out the whole story was just a dream. I don't think that's gonna happen, either, but it was a weird shot.

Sam says to Kara: “You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end.”

Episode was very well done. On 5.1 surround the sounds of the ship falling apart on the rear surrounds was just amazing. It sounded like my living room was breaking up.

Sam says to Kara: “You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end.”
Right before that happened I said out loud, "Is Sam going to open his eyes and start babbling like a hybrid?" Then it happened. I bet half the people watching saw that coming a mile away. The only thing missing was, "Jump!"

good thing i dvrd it cause i fell asleep halfway thru....zzzz.

Hera has Boomer eating out of her hands, shes questioning her loyalties, I think Boomer may play the Darth Vader card on Cavil in the end.

Dying Eight tells "Tigh" theres to much confusion. :eek: Makes me think this watchtower thing is in their DNA, and is bubbling to the surface now, or "Anders" is talking through her before she dies. Yes I think it was "Anders" using her as a speaker to talk to Tigh.

I think the Toasters scooped up a few ladles full of DNA goo, and tossed it in the water supply, all before "Cavil" destroyed all of the "Danial" genetic code.
Now Hera can project, Kinda like "Roslyn" and "Baltar" and Starbuck...The list goes on, maybe they're all some sort of Cylon Hybrid bunch, that pops of in the Human genes all dating back thousands of years before, Kobol.

See all the old fashion raiders back at the lab. Great looking CG.

Did Kara wipe at all? :D:eek:

Poor Caprica, all alone now, I volunteer for servicing. She sure settled that plot line with Baltar..

The Titanic flute music was a bit much, but it does forewarn of the Galacticas destruction. Hopefully in a blaze of Glory,. RAMMING SPEED!!!!!

Good to see everyone on here liked tonight's episode. I really enjoyed it. I thought the scene with Adama on the floor in his quarters crying after throwing the white paint was very moving.

I too was waiting for Anders to blurt out JUMP. Good thing Tigh cut them off on that.

Galactica is not getting scrapped. The real suicide mission starts next week it appears.

One more thing and its been said before. Almos going berserk throwing crap flopping on the ground crying... :rolleyes: Its getting old.

Next weeks preview.
I'm surprised they gave away the final call for volunteers, probably a suicide mission to the lab. RAMMING SPEED!!!!

I relinquish my soap box...

Since it was that music sequence that flipped the switch on the final 5 cylons, anyone want to bet that Kara playing that tune for coma man (Anders) makes him wake up? or maybe makes him the Hybrid on the Galactica and the Galactica starts to rebuild itself with the Cylon goo.

Also, I figure the preview of Adama asking for volunteers to go on the one way mission of Galactica is to retrieve Hera.

This wasn't one of my favorite episodes on first watch. Probably one I will like better after a rewatch. But seriously, at this point Galactica is my favorite 'character' on the show and I dread seeing it go down (however it happens). I had tears in my eyes during that final scene with Adama and Tigh.

I hope they aren't planning to ram it into a basestar or the Colony or something. Pegasus already pulled that trick.

No way. Galatica is coming back bright and shiny just like Starbuck's viper.

I hope they aren't planning to ram it into a basestar or the Colony or something. Pegasus already pulled that trick.


Well then. Maybe they will just breed Galatica? Lets see the base stars looks like legs a spreading, Galactica is Cigar shaped (with landing bays retracted or not) :eek: and the colony, Ah it looks just like a ah? Its dark almost hairy.. Anders, ramming speed Just hope they used plenty of goo on the outside, looks jagged in there, Ouch.

Hera has Boomer eating out of her hands, shes questioning her loyalties, I think Boomer may play the Darth Vader card on Cavil in the end.

Dying Eight tells "Tigh" theres to much confusion. :eek: Makes me think this watchtower thing is in their DNA, and is bubbling to the surface now, or "Anders" is talking through her before she dies. Yes I think it was "Anders" using her as a speaker to talk to Tigh.

I think the Toasters scooped up a few ladles full of DNA goo, and tossed it in the water supply, all before "Cavil" destroyed all of the "Danial" genetic code.
Now Hera can project, Kinda like "Roslyn" and "Baltar" and Starbuck...The list goes on, maybe they're all some sort of Cylon Hybrid bunch, that pops of in the Human genes all dating back thousands of years before, Kobol.

See all the old fashion raiders back at the lab. Great looking CG.

Did Kara wipe at all? :D:eek:

Poor Caprica, all alone now, I volunteer for servicing. She sure settled that plot line with Baltar..

The Titanic flute music was a bit much, but it does forewarn of the Galacticas destruction. Hopefully in a blaze of Glory,. RAMMING SPEED!!!!!

Yes Kara Wiped. They showed a side view.

The Music is called "A Good Lighter" and was first used in Season 1.

Can you guys put spoiler tags on the preview info :|

Anyone else notice the old-school raiders taking off inside "the colony?" Looks like the old centurions might show up again.

How can they have a Battlestar Galactica movie without Galactica? Not gonna happen.

The BSG movie (The Plan) is a prequel, like Razor was...the Galactica isn't going to survive.

Unless you're talking about the feature film that came up as a possibility recently. That movie is being done by the guy who did the original BSG, and it won't have anything to do with the new series. I'm guessing he'll pretend like the new series didn't happen, much like I'm hoping his movie won't happen.

Episode was very well done. On 5.1 surround the sounds of the ship falling apart on the rear surrounds was just amazing. It sounded like my living room was breaking up.
I agree on both counts. Loved the episode, and the sound was fantastic. Really felt like the ship was falling apart.

I found the entire episode intriguing, somewhat enlightening and rather moving. It certainly seemed to solidify the bond between the Humans and the rebel Cylons, as they found themselves both having to pull together for survival more than ever before AND both suffering losses in the same hull breach, AND being honored together in the SAME funeral service.

And since Kara gave Baltar her original dogtags, and he analyzed the blood, determined it was DEAD Kara Thrace blood and then PUBLICLY announced it right after the funeral, THAT genie is certainly OUT of the bottle, so I feel VERY certain they plan to truly answer THAT question now.

As for Hera "playing" Boomer, I'm not sure a girl that age -- even HER -- is capable of deliberately "playing" and adult at THAT intellectual level. Regardless, it DID appear after she turned Hera over to Cavil that Boomer had developed a REAL attachment to Hera and REAL feelings for her and is now, perhaps, feeling remorse and regret for bringing her to Cavil. This could be VERY GOOD for the fleet, since if Boomer IS now having such feelings yet can hide them from Cavil, she can be a VERY EFFECTIVE saboteur to his efforts and be a key player in helping the humans and rebel Cylons both get Hera back AND defeat Cavil and his cohorts.

It appears the setup for the finale has been very skillfully laid out.
Jeff

Sam says to Kara: “You are the harbinger of death, Kara Thrace. You will lead them all to their end.”

Episode was very well done. On 5.1 surround the sounds of the ship falling apart on the rear surrounds was just amazing. It sounded like my living room was breaking up.Try it with Shakers... :)

Wow!

I just saw a woman pissing on TV! I could even hear the tinkling.

Can't remember the last time I saw that (other than porn movies :D)

I didn't hear no tinklin' when she was sprinklin' :D

In fact, it wasn't entirely clear to me that she was doing anything other than just sitting there, although I, too, assumed she was SUPPOSED to be "on the can." I thought that a bid "lewd and rude" and sorta "out there" even for this show... Then again, if you've seen some of the things her character on "Nip/Tuck" has been doing the past few episodes, well, let's just say THAT character makes Kara Thrace look DULL by comparison! :p
Jeff

There was definite tinkling (almost like a damn shower). Which did throw me for a sec because I didn't expect it. O_O

Try it with Shakers... :)

Next, we need smoke coming out from under the seating area. lol

There was definitely tinkling noise.

Galactica is Cigar shaped ...
Oh my.

Just hope they used plenty of goo on the outside, looks jagged in there, Ouch.
Is that anything like CY (lon) Jelly?

The BSG movie (The Plan) is a prequel, like Razor was....
Well that blows that theory right out of the water. If she does go out in a blaze of glory it's going to be hard to beat the atmo-slam it did when they were escaping from New Caprica. Or the Pegasus' suicide run. Maybe Hera plowing the Galactica model right into the basestar was a preview of that. OTOH maybe that's what RDM wants us to think. I still think a new Galactica makes its appearance in the finale, courtesy of the same shop that built Starbuck's new Viper.

Unless you're talking about the feature film that came up as a possibility recently.
No, I was thinking about the Plan. Those feature film rumors after a television series is over almost never come to pass. Can't blame the guy for wanting to cash in, though. He's just looking for some backing at this stage. Someone in Hollywood might be dumb enough to give it to him.

I'm probably the only one, but the Colony reminds me of LEXX, just a little.:cool: Except that Lexx looked like a gianormous scrotum instead of a giant......:eek:

For those who have no idea....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lexx

Right before that happened I said out loud, "Is Sam going to open his eyes and start babbling like a hybrid?" Then it happened. I bet half the people watching saw that coming a mile away. The only thing missing was, "Jump!"
I was also expecting "Jump!", after which the crew of Galactica would be truly frak'd because she's falling apart just siting there static in space- imagine the stress of a jump? It would have have really been "End Of Line" (always reminds me of Tron when they say that) for the old bird.

I've got CV on Long Island and the sound was fine. I will be re-recording the midnight re-broadcast, though, because of several horrible picture freezes during the show.
I have Cablevision Long Island (Brookhaven) too, and I got several "glitches" including freezups and no audio in some segments from the 10PM showing. It's only occurring on Sci-Fi as far as I can tell, all my other recordings from the other nets are pretty much 100% perfect as a rule. I did record the second showing as well, but it took a whole 11 minutes to "get" a perfect 1.1gb glitch free h264 MKV online this morning- so it's not even worth looking at my second recording at this point.

My sound on Cablevision sucks big donkey d@cks.

I can't seem to catch most of what they are saying.

Guess I'll have to try and watch it again with CC.

TWC in Milwaukee has many SDV problems in implemention, so bad, that the part where the ship repair personnel were sent out into space pixelated so much I had to imagine what was happening(that was it, right?), then it cleared up, but the last 15 minutes were unwatchable...damn you TWC!:mad:

Well, no one else is saying it, so I will. I know the eps are in the can, and it is, what it is. But considering how few episodes are left, there sure is a LOT of dead space! The story is just rolling over on top of itself! Enough of Kara sulking in the fraking bar! Enough with Roselin dying of cancer. And enough of Adama sulking around the ship! It's all been run into the ground! Lets get on to something! A little nuance goes a long way, and these last few eps are drowning in it.

Well, no one else is saying it, so I will. I know the eps are in the can, and it is, what it is. But considering how few episodes are left, there sure is a LOT of dead space! The story is just rolling over on top of itself! Enough of Kara sulking in the fraking bar! Enough with Roselin dying of cancer. And enough of Adama sulking around the ship! It's all been run into the ground! Lets get on to something! A little nuance goes a long way, and these last few eps are drowning in it.

I hear ya' - but after the ride they've given us, I'm just in the mode of sitting back and trusting that everything happening is geared to enhancing the finale.

I hear ya' - but after the ride they've given us, I'm just in the mode of sitting back and trusting that everything happening is geared to enhancing the finale.

Yeah I felt that way up through last weeks episode. But this week's ep sorta pushed my patience over the edge. :) I mean, there is some forward movement. But it's like the spigot is opened only to a trickle.

Ive come to the conclusion, that this show will end in the same style that it got us here in, it hasn't been a quick paced ordeal, so I'm not expecting them to shift gears now. It is what it is.

i thought considering the episode title kenny rogers & dolly parton shouldve had a cameo.

Yeah I felt that way up through last weeks episode. But this week's ep sorta pushed my patience over the edge. :) I mean, there is some forward movement. But it's like the spigot is opened only to a trickle.

Have you ever seen how a dam breaks, Rutgar? How quickly a trickle becomes a flood, followed by a full-on deluge?

I'm not saying they will satisfy you with the last three hours -- maybe not me, either. But we need to withhold judgment until the end. At the very least, I think A LOT is going to happen in those final two episodes... titled: "Daybreak, Parts 1 & 2" Daybreak, indeed... daybreak to WHAT? What "new day" will be breaking?

I think the Final Eps titles are VERY suggestive of something both "groundbreaking" and "earthshattering" (sic).
Jeff

If the show ends with Hera taking over the controls of Cavil's base while she's glowing and saving the day I am so going to murder somebody. "V" fans know what I'm talking about: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUqTU0ZPnSw (3:19 min. into the clip).:D :rolleyes:

The last few episodes have been setup for what occurs in the final 3. I suspect that if they didn't do this setup then decisions made in the final 3 would seem illogical and out of character. We've had forward progress on a number of important plot lines, just not fast forward progress. I'm enjoying the time they're taking to reveal and setup what's sure to be a fast moving finale.

If the show ends with Hera taking over the controls of Cavil's base while she's glowing and saving the day I am so going to murder somebody: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUqTU0ZPnSw (3:19 min. into the clip). :rolleyes:

I'm not going to click on that link but if you just posted a major spoiler out in the open I'm going to be pissed off. Someone with your post count should know better.

If that's some sort of joke link then I apologize.

^^^ Relax, it's a reference to (and clip of) the 80's "V" mini-series. I've modified my original post to clarify. :)

You scary cat, you'd think I'd willingly spoil and ruin your "BSG" fun? :D

^^^ Relax, it's a reference to (and clip of) the 80's "V" mini-series. I've modified my original post to clarify. :)

You scary cat, you'd think I'd willingly spoil and ruin your "BSG" fun? :D

Sorry for jumping the gun. Someone on another forum openly posted the spoiler about earth being destroyed and I accidentally read it. I was really pissed to know what happened ahead of time. I guess I have a hair trigger on this subject. :o

What do you think about this idea?

Perhaps the fleet is going to go back to the colonies, because maybe that's where Cavil moved "the lab" and that's now where Hera is. We're going to finally find out what the Cylons have been doing there (we haven't heard anything about what's been going on in the colonies since Kara and Helo left). I think this might be the mission Adama was referring to in the previews: Galactica going out in a blaze of glory in an effort to retake the colonies. With the rebel Cylons now allies, they could be thinking that the rest of the Cylon race can be persuaded to ally with them once they get rid of Cavil, and then the humans and Cylons can live in peace in the colonies.

Just a thought...

What do you think about this idea?

Perhaps the fleet is going to go back to the colonies, because maybe that's where Cavil moved "the lab" and that's now where Hera is. We're going to finally find out what the Cylons have been doing there (we haven't heard anything about what's been going on in the colonies since Kara and Helo left). I think this might be the mission Adama was referring to in the previews: Galactica going out in a blaze of glory in an effort to retake the colonies. With the rebel Cylons now allies, they could be thinking that the rest of the Cylon race can be persuaded to ally with them once they get rid of Cavil, and then the humans and Cylons can live in peace in the colonies.

Just a thought...

Aren't most of the colonies pretty well irradiated? Maybe they return to Kobol instead? I'm not sure about this because it took them a lot of jumps to get where they are now and they've clearly stated that the Galactica has less than 5 left in her.

I ran across some interesting news about Caprica, which I deposited here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=15990591#post15990591) in the Caprica thread.

Aren't most of the colonies pretty well irradiated? Maybe they return to Kobol instead? I'm not sure about this because it took them a lot of jumps to get where they are now and they've clearly stated that the Galactica has less than 5 left in her.

They pull a STTNG "La Forge" explanation and say that Cylon FTL tech gives them that ability.

I think A LOT is going to happen in those final two episodes... titled: "Daybreak, Parts 1 & 2"...TV.com says that the final 3 episodes are entitled "Daybreak, Part 1", "Daybreak, Part 2" and "Daybreak, Part 3", with part 1 airing next week and parts 2 and 3 airing on the 20th.

"V" fans know what I'm talking about...V had fans??? :eek: :D

I'm thinking something along these lines:

Battlestar Galactica goes into battle against the antagonistic Cylons with a crew on board. Those Cylons are destroyed and so is the BSG crew.

The Lords of Kobol remake/rebuild BSG and recreate all the people who were killed while aboard her. A signal is implanted with hidden directions to the last colony.

Now we have 3 races. Cylons, Humans and Recreates.....and a new Battlestar Galactica. They then find the final colony.

The races then start the splitting up process as was done eons before. Some stay on the new planet, some go back to Earth (maybe the Cylons) and others go back to Caprica..etc...They do have a new BSG to travel back in.

The Recreates are the new "Lords Of Kobol" and transcend.

Everything is now reset to start over.

.....or something like that.

ETA: Boomer does save Hera and gets her off the Cylon ship before it is destroyed.

Hera takes her final position as the next...... ??????

Someone else, smarter than me, can fill in the details if anyone thinks it's worth it. :D

So many people are impatient to get to the answers, and the main complaint I keep hearing is, "they only have three hours left, how can they answer all our questions?" Well, maybe the answers are just not that complicated. Three hours is a long time (well ok, 2 hrs, 15 minutes), and I think it's more than enough time to address the major issues.

One thing's for sure: they have been saving up for something huge. Almost every episode in 4.5 has looked fairly inexpensive, for BSG anyway.

So many people are impatient to get to the answers, and the main complaint I keep hearing is, "they only have three hours left, how can they answer all our questions?" Well, maybe the answers are just not that complicated. Three hours is a long time (well ok, 2 hrs, 15 minutes), and I think it's more than enough time to address the major issues.

One thing's for sure: they have been saving up for something huge. Almost every episode in 4.5 has looked fairly inexpensive, for BSG anyway.

They have so much to answer for, they had d@mn well better be complicated. :)

I would stop thinking of these episodes as episodes, If you watch the last three all at once it makes a hell of a drama, then add the last two, and the wow factor will be intense. I hope...

I wish I could just wait and record the last two and watch it all in one final mega episode, but the wait would drive me insane.

They have so much to answer for, they had d@mn well better be complicated. :)

Well, they could do the "Anders" method of explaining everything and they would only need 10 minutes of exposition.

For me, the real big questions are:

-What is Starbuck/ what happened to her?

-What are the head cylons?

-What's the meaning of the song?

-Who is "manipulating" everything? And the big question: Why?

Well, maybe the answers are just not that complicated. Three hours is a long time (well ok, 2 hrs, 15 minutes), and I think it's more than enough time to address the major issues.


That's what I've been thinking as well. I still think that many of the answers are directly tied together, so we don't need much time to explain it all.

By the way, I forgot to mention this before...but was that Jupiter?

That's what I've been thinking as well. I still think that many of the answers are directly tied together, so we don't need much time to explain it all.

By the way, I forgot to mention this before...but was that Jupiter?

Whether intentional or not, it sure looked like it to me. However, it most likely isn't since the fleet has been moving away from Earth for some time now.

I don't think so.

I think they just copied a gas giant's storm patterns.

Whether intentional or not, it sure looked like it to me. However, it most likely isn't since the fleet has been moving away from Earth for some time now.

Which is why I still believe that wasn't our Earth that they found. :p

Come to think of it though:

Did they ever show any of the other planets (Saturn, Neptune, etc...) when they supposedly landed on "Earth"?

Come to think of it though:

Did they ever show any of the other planets (Saturn, Neptune, etc...) when they supposedly landed on "Earth"?

No. They didn't even show Earth the way they did at the end of season 3 (where you could clearly see North America).

All we know is "Earth" is a planet like ours, but we saw nothing confirming that it was our Earth.

The thing about earth - why wouldn't they think that was earth? In space, how did they get their "map" of earth? The constellations in the "map room" on kobol. Although they never addressed it in the show, they would have an easy confirmation if they were at earth - all they had to do was look up!

That's why I believe it was the real earth. There may be another planet in the future that is "earth like" and they may end up rechristening that earth. But it would be an awful stretch for them to be "mistaken" about finding earth.

Never mind.

This last episode had Baltar saying: "Kara. We saw Uranus!"

I know. Obvious shot. Sorry.

That's why it could indeed be "Earth" to them, but that doesn't mean it's our Earth.

If this is an ongoing cycle, then perhaps that's just one version of "Earth" and we have yet to see ours.

The thing about earth - why wouldn't they think that was earth? In space, how did they get their "map" of earth? The constellations in the "map room" on kobol. Although they never addressed it in the show, they would have an easy confirmation if they were at earth - all they had to do was look up!

That's why I believe it was the real earth. There may be another planet in the future that is "earth like" and they may end up rechristening that earth. But it would be an awful stretch for them to be "mistaken" about finding earth.

I'm pretty sure there was a line in CIC, just before the ships started down to the surface, that the star patterns matched. If I'm remembering this correctly then this is how they confirmed they were at the right earth.

I would stop thinking of these episodes as episodes, If you watch the last three all at once it makes a hell of a drama, then add the last two, and the wow factor will be intense. I hope...

I wish I could just wait and record the last two and watch it all in one final mega episode, but the wait would drive me insane.

You're already insane, LOST! I mean, just look at how much of your free time you're spending watching BSG and "Lost" and/or reading or posting comments about them online... Then again, you're in good company -- perhaps even GREAT company if you count moi :p

As for you, Dad,, do you mean to tell me you've actually spent enough time WATCHING that DRECK called "V" to call yourself a FAN?!?!? :eek: :D :cool: I watched that Youtube clip and it was ALL I COULD DO to get through IT, lol! Yaknow, however, back in the 80s, I might have watched that, "settling" for that as Sci-Fi, but I think EVEN THEN I would have felt that was a pretty poor, hammy, MELODRAMATIC excuse of a trade-off for THE REAL THING! Man, when that shuttle came out of the main ship's bay, it looked like somebody had his wires ALL crossed up -- danged thing liked to FLIPPED OVER trying to "make an exit!" I don't think I've EVER seen such a sloppy job of "wire work" in my life! The special effects budget for that show must have been paid out in rolls of pennies!

Then again, someone was commenting on ST TNG's final episode, "All Good Things" last night, and how it was amongst the best send-offs ever, and I pretty much agree. It was a very warm, sort of "everything's OK here" ending... and SO VERY DIFFERENT from the FIRST episode, where we met "Q" and there were all these odd camera angles and harsh lighting and a GREAT DEAL of un-called for melodrama -- including when they figured out that the "ship" firing on the planet was the MATE of the creature ON the planet and was defending it, and there was this cutaway between Commander Riker and Counselor Troi like we were expected to think they were gonna go jump in a broom closet any minute, or something... Yet, when I FIRST SAW that episode, having nothing but TOS as a point of reference, I thought it was GREAT! It was only YEARS LATER, after the show had years of character development and OTHER shows had come along that weren't NEARLY so "cheesy," even in the beginning, that I saw that first episode again and literally CRINGED at even Shakesperean-trained Patrick Stewart's acting.

Times change. Not only do people mature, but entire MEDIUMS mature, thankfully. And without those earlier, cheesy efforts upon which to build we could not have the sort of GIANT that is BSG today.
Jeff

For some odd reason, I have this feeling that everyone will die and then they will cut to Caprica where they show one flower growing in a field, as if to indicate that a new cycle is starting.

I know it won't happen, but I still feel like they are going to kill everyone and show a new cycle starting. After all the talk throughout the whole series about how everything is basically just a big loop, happening over and over again it would almost seem odd to me if they didn't do something similar.

Either way, I am excited for end. Even though I felt last nights episode was amazing, I still felt frustrated that they still really haven't addressed the mythology in a big way yet, leading up to the end.

The biggest questions for me are what is Kara, and what is Head Six. It almost seemed like the answer may be linked for the two, or maybe I just falsely made that assumption.

Lastly, I don't want any spoilers, but can anyone confirm, in PM or spoiler quotes, if we will see all of the cylons in the final two episodes? I would certainly hope so, the others seem to have been forgotten.

They do that and I'm gonna have me a gonad collection on my mantel.

The other one was getting old and yellow, anyway.

For some odd reason, I have this feeling that everyone will die and then they will cut to Caprica where they show one flower growing in a field, as if to indicate that a new cycle is starting.


I have a similar ending for the whole cycle repeats thing...

I think there'll be a few survivors, who'll find our version of Earth, but they'll show something to indicate that we're about to create cylons ourselves, and they'll end it there. I have no explanations on how they'll get there... I just think that's how it'll end. :p It would definitely fit with the hopelessness.

RDM has assured people in interviews that what they found is our Earth. I tend to believe him, though as someone else pointed out, if that's true they're somewhere in our distant future, since archeology would have found evidence of a former advanced civilization by now. If that's true, I don't see why it'd matter if it was our Earth or not.

Caprica was not a global nuclear wasteland. Athena met up with Helo in a forest, and they ended up in Caprica City. He was there after he and Boomer landed in a grassy clearing. Helo and Starbuck visited Starbuck's apartment, which was completely intact. Helo was definitely there long enough to be rendered terminally ill from exposure to radiation if there was radiation there to be exposed to. Anders and his merry band of resisters were there for many months, raiding the Cylon occupation (I know--he was an ancient model "skinjob" but the rest were not).

Wow....only 2 weeks left! I can't believe its come down to this...

Slow episode last night but it was a good setup for the end of the series...I can't wait to see where they take us...its been one hell of a ride

For some odd reason, I have this feeling that everyone will die and then they will cut to Caprica where they show one flower growing in a field, as if to indicate that a new cycle is starting....
Or they will cut away to an ethereal table with a tableau of the final battle arranged upon it, with godlike beings sitting around it, and one will comment:
"Well, that didn't work either, but maybe if we tried ...."

Caprica was not a global nuclear wasteland. Athena met up with Helo in a forest, and they ended up in Caprica City. He was there after he and Boomer landed in a grassy clearing. Helo and Starbuck visited Starbuck's apartment, which was completely intact. Helo was definitely there long enough to be rendered terminally ill from exposure to radiation if there was radiation there to be exposed to. Anders and his merry band of resisters were there for many months, raiding the Cylon occupation (I know--he was an ancient model "skinjob" but the rest were not).

Caprica wasn't completely destroyed, but it was irradiated and not fit for life without medicine to combat the radiation. Go back to the DVD's. Helo and Boomer were taking shots to deal with the radiation. They showed it a couple of times and then we're to assume that it's happening regularly, but off-camera. I'm sure we're to assume that Anders and his crew were stealing supplies, including anti-radiation meds.

It was Earth, the Final Five confirmed it was and that they came from there - from Anders and Ellen.

I would stop thinking of these episodes as episodes, If you watch the last three all at once it makes a hell of a drama, then add the last two, and the wow factor will be intense. I hope...

I wish I could just wait and record the last two and watch it all in one final mega episode, but the wait would drive me insane.

That's how I watched the first 3 seasons and Razor. In retrospect, I wish I had waited until S4 was out on DVD and then started watching from the beginning. Weekly episodes with 25% of each hour devoted to commercials is an inferior way to watch a series like this. And judging from the way we watched those first 3 seasons, we would've watched those last 3 back-to-back-to-back in one evening.

Of course, you miss out on all the insightful online discussion that way. :rolleyes:

The question isn't whether the planet was called Earth, it's whether it's our Earth.

The question isn't whether the planet was called Earth, it's whether it's our Earth.

It's a fictional universe and there is no "our Earth" anywhere. The producers used the name and tagline in the opening sequence, "... looking for a home called Earth", only because it was something the audience could relate to. Saying they were looking for a home called Remulak wouldn't engender the same kind of sappy emotion that tv likes to exploit.

RDM said it was "the Earth". He also said human life originated on Kobol. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and figure out there is no connection with our own planet or species or civilization's history other than a bit of manipulation to suit the advertisers and fanwankers.

It's a fictional universe and there is no "our Earth" anywhere. The producers used the name and tagline in the opening sequence, "... looking for a home called Earth", only because it was something the audience could relate to. Saying they were looking for a home called Remulak wouldn't engender the same kind of sappy emotion that tv likes to exploit.

RDM said it was "the Earth". He also said human life originated on Kobol. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to put 2 and 2 together and figure out there is no connection with our own planet or species or civilization's history other than a bit of manipulation to suit the advertisers and fanwankers.

Geesh, ec, I think ya NAILED that one! When I went to see the somewhat disappointing remake of "The Day the Earth Stood Still," the one really great quote from Keanu Reeves' character was when he said, "Your Earth???" I got the DISTINCT impression his character (and the writer(s)/director) were selling the message that this planet does NOT "belong" to US, a message with which I tend to agree. Thus far, us humans are only very BRIEF visitors on Planet Earth, and, I hate to say, rather a blight on the planet at this point... We have so much potential for beauty and creativity and whatnot, but we do so many other things that ARE NOT those things...
Perhaps BSG is selling somewhat of a similar message.
Jeff

I thought RDM was always careful to say it was a planet "we're calling Earth". Besides, RDM has been... um, deceptive... before. :) I do think there's a possibility the "real" Earth is out there somewhere.

And I agree with the poster who said they hope to see all the Cylons in the finale. Leoben has been MIA lately, not to mention Doral and Simon. It would be a shame to not get to see them all again before it's over.

I'm thinking something along these lines:

Battlestar Galactica goes into battle against the antagonistic Cylons with a crew on board. Those Cylons are destroyed and so is the BSG crew.

The Lords of Kobol remake/rebuild BSG and recreate all the people who were killed while aboard her. A signal is implanted with hidden directions to the last colony.

Now we have 3 races. Cylons, Humans and Recreates.....and a new Battlestar Galactica. They then find the final colony.

The races then start the splitting up process as was done eons before. Some stay on the new planet, some go back to Earth (maybe the Cylons) and others go back to Caprica..etc...They do have a new BSG to travel back in.

The Recreates are the new "Lords Of Kobol" and transcend.

Everything is now reset to start over.

.....or something like that.

ETA: Boomer does save Hera and gets her off the Cylon ship before it is destroyed.

Hera takes her final position as the next...... ??????

Someone else, smarter than me, can fill in the details if anyone thinks it's worth it. :D

Im thinking that it will end with Adama crashing Galactica into earth so everyone will be reincarnated like Kara Thrace.

someone posted this at dbstalk:

"I think the only thing we learned in this episode is that Admiral Adama can't paint very well." :D

also according to composer Bear McCreary's blog, a scene that was cut for time established that Tyrol is in the brig for his role in Boomer's escape.

also according to composer Bear McCreary's blog, a scene that was cut for time established that Tyrol is in the brig for his role in Boomer's escape.Huh. That seems like a strange decision, when endless time is spent on further Baltar crap.

It's a fictional universe and there is no "our Earth" anywhere.You know, I've claimed in posts that RDM said that it was "our Earth", but I went searching and I can't find where he said that anywhere. I found many places where other people also claim that he said it, so it's a common misconception.

He has confirmed that it's the Earth they were looking for (and obviously it's the original home of the Final Five). It's pretty much irrelevant, since if it were the Earth we live on it's clear that they didn't find it during our time.
...the one really great quote from Keanu Reeves' character was when he said, "Your Earth???"I haven't seen it, but in the ads I believe that he says "Your planet?"

That's why it could indeed be "Earth" to them, but that doesn't mean it's our Earth.

If this is an ongoing cycle, then perhaps that's just one version of "Earth" and we have yet to see ours.

Moore said it was Earth. Why's it so hard to believe strait from his mouth?

You guys are way over thinking this one. It's fiction, it doesn't line up as neatly as our history as we like, but it's Earth. It could be 10,000 years in the future, or 500,000 years in the past.


Were not going to get all Battlestar 1980.

RDM has assured people in interviews that what they found is our Earth. I tend to believe him, though as someone else pointed out, if that's true they're somewhere in our distant future, since archeology would have found evidence of a former advanced civilization by now. If that's true, I don't see why it'd matter if it was our Earth or not.

Caprica was not a global nuclear wasteland. Athena met up with Helo in a forest, and they ended up in Caprica City. He was there after he and Boomer landed in a grassy clearing. Helo and Starbuck visited Starbuck's apartment, which was completely intact. Helo was definitely there long enough to be rendered terminally ill from exposure to radiation if there was radiation there to be exposed to. Anders and his merry band of resisters were there for many months, raiding the Cylon occupation (I know--he was an ancient model "skinjob" but the rest were not).

They explained that away by using "short term anti-radiation pills".

Kindda a copout, but it's the reason why the planets weren't long term inhabitable anymore, along with th cylon threat.

Moore said it was Earth. Why's it so hard to believe strait from his mouth?Can you cite a place online where Moore is quoted as saying that it's the Earth that we live on? From an interview with RDM in an entry in Maureen Ryan's blog (http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/01/final-fifth-cylon-ellen-tigh-battlestar-galactica-dualla-dee-.html) at the Chicago Tribune site:That planet is Earth? We’re not going to find out, “Oh, there’s this other Earth over here...” This is the only Earth we’ll see?

They have found Earth. This is the Earth that the 13th Colony discovered, they christened it Earth. They found Earth.This seems to very carefully avoid saying that it's the Earth that we live on. All it says is that it's the planet that the 13th Colony discovered and that they named it "Earth".

This seems to very carefully avoid saying that it's the Earth that we live on. All it says is that it's the planet that the 13th Colony discovered and that they named it "Earth".

Exactly my point. Moore has been pretty careful in how he words it. Of course, he also said Starbuck was dead and even removed her name from the credits, so I have no idea why anyone would believe anything he says in regard to huge plot points like that.

Maybe that really was our Earth in some distant future, but there's absolutely no evidence to suggest it. We'll know in two weeks though. ;)

My view is he just doesn't want to go into the intricate backstory that you guys apparently want, and it's Earth at face value in this work of fiction. Moore has always said he hates the technobabble, being tied down to strict canon, ect. I that sense, maybe we're both right, since he looks to be leaving it up to the viewers own opinion.

I wouldn't hold my breath for them returning to any explanation besides what we already know.

There's a reason to purposely lie about Starbuck, since she came back a few episodes later and it was central to the series plot. I mean, do you really exect him to give away the future episode when asked if she's really dead?

I don't see the connection on how the our\their Earth stuff is similar, or matters to the end game now. I do believe he said he's not going to be doing much with the prophecies and history of the final five and the 13 tribes. [a comic is supposed to be coming with that info] He's focusing on the fleet and cavils endgame now.

You know, I've claimed in posts that RDM said that it was "our Earth", but I went searching and I can't find where he said that anywhere. I found many places where other people also claim that he said it, so it's a common misconception.
It was on one of the podcasts.
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.php

I don't understand this whole debate. They call it earth. The constellations match up. They showed Florida at the season 3 finale. It certainly seems like our earth, and not just some random planet they decided to call earth. It may be in the past or the future. As someone said, it's certainly not now. Does it matter?

I don't understand this whole debate. They call it earth. The constellations match up. They showed Florida at the season 3 finale. It certainly seems like our earth, and not just some random planet they decided to call earth. It may be in the past or the future. As someone said, it's certainly not now. Does it matter?

Ah, but that's where the wanker conspiracy theories come into play. They showed Florida at the end of S3, but they did NOT show it, or anything else recognizable, when the fleet arrived at Earth. Not even the moon or the constellations, although Gaeta said they matched. Then there are those who are convinced beyond a doubt that the Cylon civil war battle took place in the vicinity of "our" Jupiter because of a brief glimpse of Orion at one point. You can't convince those people that the FX people just went with something at hand. No, they must have intentionally shown that, you see.

It only matters to people who have it in their heads that there must be an "our Earth" somewhere, past or present, because their egos won't allow them to consider that maybe their pet theories might be wrong.

I don't think RDM is too worried about it. IMO people who are a. waiting for the "real" Earth to show up, or b. looking for evidence that the BSG story is set in either our past or future, are going to be disappointed. It doesn't matter to me.

I don't understand this whole debate. They call it earth. The constellations match up. They showed Florida at the season 3 finale. It certainly seems like our earth, and not just some random planet they decided to call earth. It may be in the past or the future. As someone said, it's certainly not now. Does it matter?

Not really. I'm just trying to guess the endgame. And my endgame has them finding our Earth. They did show North America in the season 3 finale, but they showed us nothing of the like when they actually reached Earth. There'd be absolutely no debate had they shown us even a little something to indicate that what they found was the same as what they showed us from season 3.

Yes ec...Gaeta said they matched...to their Earth. Until the end of the series, there is absolutely no reason to believe that what they found is our Earth (all they would have to do is give us a shot of something recognizable like they did before). As I said before, it could very well be, but saying that we're fanwankers because the producers intentionally left it in a gray area is just moronic. They probably left it in the gray area because they want to throw people off...who knows? It's not about ego or being right or wrong.

It was on one of the podcasts.
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast.phpThanks, but I'm not about to sit around listening to hours of frakkin' podcasts to hear a single alleged comment. I hate podcasts in general--I've never listened to one that I enjoyed about anything, ever. Extremely bad amateur talk radio, without the benefit of sound engineers or trained moderators to keep the discussion on point and moving. If you can point me to a specific podcast and tell me at what time within it the comment is made, I'd listen.

I'm looking for a podcast transcription, but I don't see one for the discussions of either "Revelations" or "Sometimes a Great Notion", which is where I'd expect him to say something like that.

LOL. I listened to the podcasts for the first couple episodes of season 3, and that was it. I found it incredibly boring as well. I can't listen to commentaries on DVDs either.

But back to the show...was little Hera great or what? BSG has lucked out in getting kid actors who don't suck.

You know, I've claimed in posts that RDM said that it was "our Earth", but I went searching and I can't find where he said that anywhere. I found many places where other people also claim that he said it, so it's a common misconception.

He has confirmed that it's the Earth they were looking for (and obviously it's the original home of the Final Five). It's pretty much irrelevant, since if it were the Earth we live on it's clear that they didn't find it during our time.
I haven't seen it, but in the ads I believe that he says "Your planet?"

{foot in mouth yet AGAIN} You're just TOO DANGED SHARP, you "wireless wiseguy." :p

Since you pointed it out, I re-searched my sometimes faulty memory banks, and you ARE correct, he said Your Planet???

Either way, I feel the same point was made.
Jeff

This talk about "our" Earth reminds me of something from Enterprise. Someone asked the guy from the 31st century if he was from Earth and he responded along the lines of, "it depends on how you define Earth."

The Earth they found may be the same planet as the one we live on, but it certainly isn't "our" Earth. That place is dead.

The Earth they found may be the same planet as the one we live on, but it certainly isn't "our" Earth. That place is dead.

Well, I don't know about anyone else, but when I say "our" Earth, I'm talking about the planet (not necessarily our own time-line) they showed us at the end of season 3, as opposed to what they showed us at the end of 4.0, which is what they're calling Earth.

Season 3 planet = Clearly Earth as we know it.

Season 4 planet = Clearly Earth as they know it.

Soooo

Suppose....anybody think/notice, that Galactica and The Colony are metaphors for the races... Galactica was All Human...well not quite since the 5 was part and any now is kind of a hybrid...and the COlony is the Pure cylons. And if Galactica and The Colony battle and destroy each of maybe its there hybrid cosmic dust that starts the whole cycle again.

BTW said several weeks ago the Grand Old Lady is dust...and it will be...and I think StarBuck will be at the helm with a big crazy grin on her face.