I know it was more I was trying to entice him to watch it. Sorry force of habit on not giving spoilers.

Good point; I'll spoilerize my post.

IIRC it was Hoshi that was Gaeta's lover.

I've seen "Face of the Enemy" and its NOT needed to understand or follow Season 4's plot.

It helps, but is not essential. Why was it not included in the Complete BSG anyway?

I've seen "Face of the Enemy" and its NOT needed to understand or follow Season 4's plot.

It helps, but is not essential. Why was it not included in the Complete BSG anyway?

It had to do with some of the actors that appeared in them. The terms of their contracts limited the ways the webisodes could be shown.

I've seen "Face of the Enemy" and its NOT needed to understand or follow Season 4's plot.

It helps, but is not essential.
Not needed or essential, but it does help and it fills in that giant plot-hole (plot-omission?) from the 3rd season when he stabbed Baltar.

I don't know about the new webisodes. They'd have to do a better job than what Sanctuary did...I found that unwatchable (well, it was unwatchable for many reasons but that was one of them).

Gaeta was lost in space with a Sharon model, who he loved very very much. They had a small crew and were running out of food and Oxygen. This Sharon model was killing off the members so She and Gaeta could live. Gaeta came to realize no matter how loving/friendly a cyclon could be it was going to alway be evil.
This also showed Gaeta making out with the guy later showed in the show but they never coved the love affair on TV.

That is the jist of it,if you get a chance watch it.

Thanks, I'll check it out.

Good point; I'll spoilerize my post.

Why??? This show has been off the air for years.:rolleyes:

Why??? This show has been off the air for years.:rolleyes:

Yes, but as was mentioned, vastly fewer have seen those webisodes. Didn't want to spoil it for them.

I have to say that "Face of the Enemy" was the ONLY "webisode" series I've watched, to date. I came in late (thankfully), and so I was able to watch the first eight (I believe) webisodes in one night, then had to just wait two more weeks to catch the final two (I frankly can't see ANY other way to do that sort of thing -- those things are WAY too short to try my patience with watching just a few minutes each week!).

At any rate, I really DIDN'T see what the big deal was UNTIL it got to the end of the LAST webisode, but WOW that was a MAJOR payoff, and I frankly feel the entire BSG "box set" IS NOT COMPLETE without it, PERIOD! The revelelation made to Gaeta by the remaining "Sharon" model in that final webisode is SUCH a powerful emotional PUNCH IN THE GUT it just literally FLOORED ME, too! I didn't see it coming, either, and frankly, after that, NOBODY could blame Gaeta for what he does -- particularly considering all he'd been through before -- including ALMOST being "airlocked" for "being a traitor" before it was revealed he was a secret member of the resistance on New Caprica!

I didn't agree with what Gaeta did during the mutiny -- there was a MUCH bigger picture in play at that point and the Cylons who had chosen to form a coalition truly WERE trustworthy -- but given his experiences, I frankly couldn't blame him.
Jeff

Wow, I guess I missed out on a lot by not seeing any webisodes! :o

What I really dropped in to say, though, just got done re-watching Razor, and man, what a friggin' masterpiece of an episode! Just wanted to get that out. I've seen it many times by now, but it just blows me away every time. :)

Also, I think I am in love with Stephanie Jacobse (http://www.facebook.com/pages/Stephanie-Jacobsen/63055261412?ref=search&v=wall#!/pages/Stephanie-Jacobsen/63055261412?v=info&ref=search)

Between her role in Razor and Sarah Conner Chronicles, her femme tough as nails persona just makes me all hawt!

Well, Mr. Hanky, when I say that's the ONLY webisode I've ever watched, I DON'T just mean from BSG, I mean from ANY series -- NEVER got into any of the stuff from "Lost" (although I was a SERIOUS "Lost" fan) -- didn't even know it EXISTED until the series was, essentially, "at death's door." And I'm not sure how much I'll do in the future (although I may do more, since it appears a lot more content is heading that way).

The ONLY reason I got into "Face of the Enemy" is that there was both A LOT of commercials on the SyFy Channel about it AND a fair amount of posting on the BSG thread about it, SO I "finally bit," so to speak, and I'm glad I did, in that case. As for "Razor," that's the ONLY "episode" I actually BOUGHT from Amazon because it was discussed so much it seemed like its own little mini-series, so I just HAD to get it and see what all the fuss was. Once I did, I realized it was ALL stuff I'd seen on the show -- seemed like a couple of regular episodes combined, to me. I notice all the time when I'm checking my DVR that it will RE-RECORD something with a NEW episode number, and it'll turn out to be a 2-hour version of 2 1-hour episodes from the same show -- happened at least ONCE this past season on the BBC network with "Dr. Who." Since I ARCHIVE ever episode, I really didn't see the point in RE-archiving the same two episodes AGAIN, with simply a NEW episode number (where NO.s 13 and 14 suddenly became No. 15, for example), so I DELETED the double-episode recording, after comfirming I already had BOTH PARTS separately on my archive disk.

I really think that's what "Razor" is -- a sort of combination episode. At any rate, it IS a very IMPORTANT combination episode, I agree, which is WHY it's been combined and given a special name.

If you can FIND "Face of the Enemy" somewhere, I'd still suggest you give it a quick viewing for a similar reason. Frankly, I think you could watch the first few minutes and the last 10 minutes and skip all the rest and get "the jist" of it, if you're in a hurry.
Jeff

Just to be clear, I wasn't trying to be facetious about the webisodes. I'm honestly saying that I missed out on all that subtext with Gaeta, but now it all makes more sense as the webisode was described earlier.

One little detail that I don't recall picking up before in Razor is they slipped a clever line in there that only us old fogies would pick-up. Starbuck says, "I love it when a plan comes together!", which is a iconic tagline from the old A-Team tv series, which Derek Benedict played a character in, who happens also to be the actor who played Starbuck in the original BSG series! :D

Now, of course the "I love it when a plan comes together" line came from a different character in the A-Team, but it was close enough to be amusing.

I didn't see it coming, either, and frankly, after that, NOBODY could blame Gaeta for what he does -- particularly considering all he'd been through before -- including ALMOST being "airlocked" for "being a traitor" before it was revealed he was a secret member of the resistance on New Caprica!


Don't forget he got his leg blown off by fellow soldiers on a mission to contact Cylons.

just a heads up amazon has the complete series on blu for $132 right now.

just a heads up amazon has the complete series on blu for $132 right now.

Also, to let everyone know if they don't already - Amazon sells 2 different "complete series" box sets. An older one has a funky box that apparently doesn't fit on some shelves and comes with a new style Cylon Centurion action figure/collectible.

The other (newer) box set has smaller packaging, does not have the Cylon figure, but includes Razor and The Plan according to this review at http://www.amazon.com/review/ROWNZ3TDWYC6R/ref=cm_cr_rdp_perm

Did the "later" version of the Box that included the Plan also fix teh issue of not listing what episodes were on what disc?

Both version have Razor. The only difference in disc content is the re-release includes the plan. Otherwise, it's identical discs.

The re-release also has a proper episode listing of all of the disc contents.

Not sure if it's still going on or not, but for a while there was a box exchange program. Owners of the first release with the unwieldy large box could get the packaging of the re-release for no charge. It's been a while, though. So that program may be over.

Ships in 1-2 weeks?

Both version have Razor. The only difference in disc content is the re-release includes the plan. Otherwise, it's identical discs.

The re-release also has a proper episode listing of all of the disc contents.

Not sure if it's still going on or not, but for a while there was a box exchange program. Owners of the first release with the unwieldy large box could get the packaging of the re-release for no charge. It's been a while, though. So that program may be over.

That's correct I exchanged for the sleeker box set packaging with the episode listing, a couple of months ago.

Somehow I keep thinking that toy Cylon that came in the "original packaging" might be worth something, someday... Then again, the days of stuff like that growing in value have probably LONG PASSED, since nowadays EVERYBODY knows to hold onto stuff like that since it MIGHT gain value because old comic books and vintage toys and whatnot grew so much, so maybe not... Probably depends on how many "Cylon dolls" were sold and how many survive people throwing them at the wall when they realize their set is neither truly "complete" NOR are the discs labeled correctly, lol (and they paid full-price for them, too!).

Me? I'm still holding out for the $99 or less price for the whole box-set -- THEN I'll decide which version I want, lol. Yaknow, I FINALLY broke down and got the ENTIRE "National Geographic" collection on DVD a few months back, when they had a 20% discount on a "sale" price, and got it for about $45. Well just today I got a SALE email from them... NOW it's $39.95!

And the HITS just keep on comin'! :cool:
Jeff

Was in Best Buy last night and the on the shelf retail price for the box is $244.

Best Buy is convenient, but it has long abandoned its namesake.

Got my box-set ! No, I didn't get the figurine. Picture and sound are awesome but we prepared to see grain. Lots and lots of frakkin grain. Whether it was the directors intention or not, you will see grain and lots of it.

Gaawwwdddssssdammmit....that sonnovabetch....

From what I read back when it came out, the grainy stuff especially in season 1 is how they intended for it to look. same complaints were made about the HD-DVD version when it came out years ago.

TV Notes
NBC Nabs Magic Drama From Ron Moore
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com's TV Editor - September 1st, 2010

EXCLUSIVE: Ronald D. Moore is back at NBC Universal with a new drama project for NBC that has landed one of the biggest commitments so far this pitch season. The project from Sony TV where the Battlestar Galactica developer inked a two-year overall deal in May, is described as an adult Harry Potter set in a world ruled not by science but by magic. I hear the drama got pilot and series penalties totaling close to $2 million.

Before going to Sony, Moore had three consecutive overall deals at NBC Uni’s Universal Media Studios that were tied to his services on Syfy’s Battlestar Galactica, a reimagening of Glen A. Larson's classic, which he executive produced and ran with David Eick. The duo is also behind the Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica.

Sony has made drama development a priority this season, signing deals with Moore, Smallville creators Miles Millar and Alfred Gough, who are behind the studio's Charlie's Angeles reboot, and director Michael Dinner, who will now focus more on writing-producing.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/nbc-nabs-magic-drama-from-ron-moore/

TV Notes
NBC Nabs Magic Drama From Ron Moore
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com's TV Editor - September 1st, 2010

EXCLUSIVE: Ronald D. Moore is back at NBC Universal with a new drama project for NBC that has landed one of the biggest commitments so far this pitch season. The project from Sony TV where the Battlestar Galactica developer inked a two-year overall deal in May, is described as an adult Harry Potter set in a world ruled not by science but by magic. I hear the drama got pilot and series penalties totaling close to $2 million.

Before going to Sony, Moore had three consecutive overall deals at NBC Uni’s Universal Media Studios that were tied to his services on Syfy’s Battlestar Galactica, a reimagening of Glen A. Larson's classic, which he executive produced and ran with David Eick. The duo is also behind the Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica.

Sony has made drama development a priority this season, signing deals with Moore, Smallville creators Miles Millar and Alfred Gough, who are behind the studio's Charlie's Angeles reboot, and director Michael Dinner, who will now focus more on writing-producing.

http://www.deadline.com/2010/09/nbc-nabs-magic-drama-from-ron-moore/

Any word on the name of the show yet?

Good for Moore, I'm happy to see what else his brain and his intuition in picking a writing staff can come up with.

Caprica's pure melodrama, probably due to his hands off approach, just ain't cutting it.

All 4 seasons coming to Netflix streaming 10/1

^^^ Indeed: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=19238019#post19238019.

Quick question.
I'm going to start watching this on netflix and was wondering if it OK for my 9yr old son to watch? I let him watch Lost with me, but not show's like "24" where the violence is a little more brutal. Is there harsh violence or sex scenes in BG?
Because it was on cable I'm a little concerned.
Thanks for any input and please no spoilers...:D

Well you have 99% of humans killed, lots of religious issues,terrorism, gritty, death, and imaginary sex.

I would say it's borderline for 9. It's very adult in some sections especially with the sexuality between Baltar and Six.

Thanks for the quick replies!
Well you have 99% of humans killed, lots of religious issues,terrorism, gritty, death, and imaginary sex.

^I take that as a "No, I wouldn't let a 9yr old watch it."

I would say it's borderline for 9. It's very adult in some sections especially with the sexuality between Baltar and Six.

^I don't mind skipping though a few scenes if needed, but if it's in every episode I wont bother letting him watch the series. Is it pretty often?

Meh you might have to skip a few episodes or fast forward past a lot of scenes.

They don't show anything but there is at least 1 or 2 rape scene that may cause him to ask questions. Just be careful is all.

I would say it's borderline for 9. It's very adult in some sections especially with the sexuality between Baltar and Six.

+1

There are a lot of scenes early on that contain tons of skin and, let's just say a sensation that warms your entire spine. ;)

I didn't let my 9 year old boy watch when I started, even though he'd seen the stuff like LOTR and others. He's 13 now and I still think some of the scenes are too steamy (not wanting to give him any more ideas :cool:). I would watch the first season before you decide.

+1

There are a lot of scenes early on that contain tons of skin and, let's just say a sensation that warms your entire spine. ;)

I didn't let my 9 year old boy watch when I started, even though he'd seen the stuff like LOTR and others. He's 13 now and I still think some of the scenes are too steamy (not wanting to give him any more ideas :cool:). I would watch the first season before you decide.

I agree watch season 1 on your own and then decide. Any type of language or sex you would encounter in teh other seasons you pretty much get in season 1 as well.

Thanks for the input guys, I really appreciate.
It it sounds like watching the first season myself is the best idea.

I just got done doing a re-watch and I'd say season one isn't a good barometer of...anything really, aside from the overall themes. It's not until season 2 that you get the rape scene, and it's not until later that you get people blowing their brains out (no cut-aways)/people blowing other peoples' brains out. And then there's the torture. They take things further in the movies (Razor/The Plan) as well with more blood and nudity. There's no way in hell I'd let a 9-year-old watch this show.

But all of that is sort of besides the point. BSG is heavily adult-themed (critics called BSG the most depressing/bleak show on tv for a reason). A kid watching BSG would be like a kid watching Breaking Bad or Inception. Aside from a few space battles, it is extremely dialogue driven (especially in the later seasons). Not only would he be bored but a lot of the subject matter would be lost on him.

You mentioned 24...I'd say that BSG has more graphic violence than 24, if only because on BSG it's done in more disturbingly realistic ways. On 24 I always found it to be sort of stylized.

Yeah I think the lack of a lot of space fights would bore a 9 year old too. Honestly the 9 year old would probably be more interested in the 1979 version of the show and it's family friendly.

Yep. And I'm pretty sure the original is available for streaming as well.

I just got done doing a re-watch and I'd say season one isn't a good barometer of...anything really, aside from the overall themes. It's not until season 2 that you get the rape scene, and it's not until later that you get people blowing their brains out (no cut-aways)/people blowing other peoples' brains out. And then there's the torture. They take things further in the movies (Razor/The Plan) as well with more blood and nudity. There's no way in hell I'd let a 9-year-old watch this show.

But all of that is sort of besides the point. BSG is heavily adult-themed (critics called BSG the most depressing/bleak show on tv for a reason). A kid watching BSG would be like a kid watching Breaking Bad or Inception. Aside from a few space battles, it is extremely dialogue driven (especially in the later seasons). Not only would he be bored but a lot of the subject matter would be lost on him.

You mentioned 24...I'd say that BSG has more graphic violence than 24, if only because on BSG it's done in more disturbingly realistic ways. On 24 I always found it to be sort of stylized.


Yikes! I'm glad I asked:eek:
I had no idea it was called the most depressing/bleak show on tv.

You mentioned movies. Razor/The Plan? Where do those fit into the seasons?

Razor is technically episodes 4.01 and 4.02, so watch it before you start season 4. The Plan is to be seen after you finish the series.

And some quick google-fu came up with these...don't actually read the articles because they are very spoilery, and I'm just sourcing the quotes:

All this is to say, if you appreciate deep, quality dramas -- and if you can stomach a dark story -- it's not too late to take up the "Galactica" habit..."Battlestar Galactica" is one of the most politically relevant and necessarily bleak series on television today.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06279/727712-237.stm#ixzz10lqAeOzI

And:

Battlestar Galactica: Why America's most depressing show is one of its best

Imagine a drama where dreams never come true; where the characters are real and venal and grasping and even those who wish to do good most frequently end up doing bad; where even the best intentions lead to disaster and long-held hopes of redemption fade a little more every week. Welcome to the world of Battlestar Galactica, America's most depressing television drama.

That's not to say that BSG isn't great. It is. It is dark and twisted and melancholy and frequently quite brilliant but it is also nearly impossible to get through without several strong drinks to numb the pain.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/feb/04/battlestar-galactica-why-americas-most

;)

Razor is technically episodes 4.01 and 4.02, so watch it before you start season 4. The Plan is to be seen after you finish the series.

And some quick google-fu came up with these...don't actually read the articles because they are very spoilery, and I'm just sourcing the quotes:

All this is to say, if you appreciate deep, quality dramas -- and if you can stomach a dark story -- it's not too late to take up the "Galactica" habit..."Battlestar Galactica" is one of the most politically relevant and necessarily bleak series on television today.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/06279/727712-237.stm#ixzz10lqAeOzI

And:

Battlestar Galactica: Why America's most depressing show is one of its best

Imagine a drama where dreams never come true; where the characters are real and venal and grasping and even those who wish to do good most frequently end up doing bad; where even the best intentions lead to disaster and long-held hopes of redemption fade a little more every week. Welcome to the world of Battlestar Galactica, America's most depressing television drama.

That's not to say that BSG isn't great. It is. It is dark and twisted and melancholy and frequently quite brilliant but it is also nearly impossible to get through without several strong drinks to numb the pain.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/organgrinder/2009/feb/04/battlestar-galactica-why-americas-most

;)



Nice! Thanks for pulling the quotes without spoilers.

OK, so now I can't wait to start watching!
At least with out my son watching I will be able to get through the whole series pretty quickly.

TV Notes
Battlestar Galactica Mastermind Remaking Wild, Wild West
By New York Magazine's 'Vulture' Blog - October 5th, 2010

Have we learned nothing from Ben Silverman? The former NBC president was widely derided for his retro revivals of Knight Rider, Bionic Woman, and American Gladiators, and yet this week has brought news of a modern-day take on The Munsters and a Wonder Woman series from David E. Kelley (to say nothing of the Bieber-ific resurrection of Punk'd).

Well, consider this trend unstoppable: According to Michael Ausiello (http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/10/05/wild-wild-west-ron-moore/), writer Ronald D. Moore is prepping a remake of the 1960s adventure The Wild, Wild West. (At least Moore has one TV revival in his favor already: he ran the updated Battlestar Galactica). Surely, we are but weeks away from Jennifer Love Hewitt announcing plans for an I Love Lucy reboot. Prepare yourself!

http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2010/10/battlestar_galactica_mastermin.html

TV Notes
EXCLUSIVE: Syfy Gives the Greenlight to Young Adama 'Battlestar' Spinoff
Movie, Possible Series to Come
By Maureen Ryan, AOL.com - October 22nd, 2010

A few months ago, the Syfy network commissioned an online series called 'Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome,' a chronicle of the war experiences of young William Adama.

The network liked Michael Taylor's script for the project so much that Syfy will air 'Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome' on the network as the pilot for a possible young Adama TV series.

Mark Stern, Syfy's executive vice president of original programming and the co-head of original content for Universal Cable Productions, said the network hoped to begin production on the pilot in Vancouver in early 2011.

"When we read Michael's script, it was so clearly a full-blown pilot for a series," Stern said in a Thursday interview. "The scope is fantastic and bigger, I think, than anticipated, so we said, 'Let's do it as a 2-hour backdoor pilot.' ... We're trying to get up and running as soon as possible."

Read on for more on 'Blood & Chrome' as well as a bit of news on 'Caprica,' another 'Battlestar Galactica' spinoff.

'Blood & Chrome' won't air until the fourth quarter of 2011 at the earliest, Stern said, but an early 2012 debut sounds more likely, especially if the network decides to go forward with a full series. Given the project's origins as an online project, expect lots of Web extras as well.

Fans missing the Battlestar Galactica itself -- the valiant old ship that housed Adama, Starbuck, Apollo and the rest -- will get to see it once again, or a version of it, in the new show. High-resolution digital scans were made of all the 'Battlestar Galactica' sets before they were torn down, and those scans will be used in the new project, which, like Syfy's 'Sanctuary,' will employ cutting-edge computer effects to supply virtual sets.

"It's an opportunity to 'see them before they were famous,'" Stern said of 'Blood & Chrome,' which takes place roughly 20 years after the events of 'Caprica' and about 40 years before the events of 'BSG.' "Here's the Battlestar Galactica as a brand-new, shiny ship -- well, not shiny, but as a new ship that had just been commissioned. What was that like?"

The Adama of 'Battlestar Galactica,' as so memorably played by Edward James Olmos, was a capable military commander leading the fight against the Cylon race under almost impossible conditions. Ensign William Adama of 'Blood & Chrome' is newly minted Viper pilot, one who goes through a challenging experiences on a difficult mission.

"This is very much an action-adventure, war series," Stern said. "This is definitely dealing with people who are fighting the fight. ... As you hope 'Battlestar' would do, it kind of comments on that process a little bit... but not in a preachy way, not in an issues-oriented way, not in a hitting-you-over-the-head way. Really, the fabric and the canvas of the series are people in the fight and what they grapple with when it comes to each other and what they grapple with when it comes to the enemy they're fighting."

"Your way into the story is a young William Adama who is not the grizzled old veteran we have come to love in 'BSG,'" Stern noted. "This is someone who is more like us, in terms of coming into this with certain preconceptions and learning as you go. ... It's very much about relationships along the way. I think ultimately the arc of the pilot and of the series is about getting Adama to be who you came to know in 'BSG,' but it's also about the deep relationships he forms. And I don't think there are any deeper relationships than the ones you form in life-or-death situations."

In a July interview, Taylor, a 'Battlestar Galactica' and 'Caprica' co-executive producer, said 'Blood & Chrome' was about "a young man's initiation into war: both the realities of war as fought by soldiers on the ground (and in Battlestars and Vipers), and the somewhat less real version portrayed in the media."

Ronald D. Moore, 'BSG's' executive producer, was "in the room" when the 'Blood & Chrome' story was conceived; Stern called him the "godfather" of the project. However at this time, Moore, who has a deal with Sony and is developing projects like 'The Wild, Wild West' there, has no official role on 'Blood & Chrome.'

Given that a full-blown series, if one is ordered, might not go into production for a year, Stern said the hope is that Moore might be able to come on board if 'Blood & Chrome' goes forward beyond the pilot. David Eick and Taylor are executive producers and Bradley Thompson and David Weddle are producers on 'Blood & Chrome'; all are veterans of 'BSG.'

Stern said actor Nico Cortez was "great" as young Adama in the 'BSG' movie 'Razor,' but it is not certain that he will take the lead in 'Blood & Chrome.' "I'm assuming there will be a full casting process for this pilot, but with Nico at the top of the list," Stern said. There's also a chance that we'll meet younger versions of other 'Battlestar' characters or people connected to either that world or to 'Caprica,' but the new project would try to do those things with "a light touch," Stern said.

Asked if 'BSG' composer Bear McCreary would do the music for 'Blood & Chrome,' Stern said no deal had been struck be he "couldn't imagine" the project without a McCreary score.

For 'Caprica' fans wondering what all this means for their show, Stern noted that 'Blood & Chrome' was developed separately from the other 'Battlestar' spinoff, which is in the midst of airing season 1 episodes now.

"To be really categorical about it, this is not about finding something else so we can get rid of 'Caprica," Stern said. "I don't know the fate of 'Caprica' yet, but, if anything, 'Blood & Chrome' going to series would only be a great opportunity to pair it with something.'

Stern said the decision on whether to give 'Caprica' a second season would be made no later than Nov. 15.

A few more clues about the 'Blood & Chrome' story follow. Look away if you'd rather not know them.

'Blood & Chrome,' which takes place in the tenth year of the Cylon War, follows Adama, a recent Academy graduate, as he and a rookie pilot take a female character on an important mission. There's a potential love interest for Adama in the story, but the pilot is basically about that mission, which, if successful, could turn the tide of the war.

http://www.tvsquad.com/2010/10/22/syfy-adama-blood-and-chrome/

Excellent. I'd much rather watch this then Caprica

If this new series has the same production values, acting and ability to make you care for it's characters as BSG, then I think it stands a chance of being brilliant. But that's a big IF.

And if Caprica is canceled by then (likely) and runs off the BSG audience who knows.

FYI i decided to watch some of BSG on the Netflix streaming just for old times sake, but the mini is not available for streaming although the rest of season 1 is.

Netflix streaming has most of this show, beginning with "Season 1." But I was disappointed to learn that Season 1 on Netflix does not include the 4 hour miniseries. The miniseries is not even available on disc at Netflix. Is the miniseries available to watch (legally) anywhere on the web?

Netflix streaming has most of this show, beginning with "Season 1." But I was disappointed to learn that Season 1 on Netflix does not include the 4 hour miniseries. The miniseries is not even available on disc at Netflix. Is the miniseries available to watch (legally) anywhere on the web?

it is available by disc on Netflix as disc 1 of season 1.

it is available by disc on Netflix as disc 1 of season 1.Thanks. When you click "play" or add it to your streaming list, it is not available. But, yes, it is there when you click "add". How strange!

TV Notes
EXCLUSIVE: Syfy Gives the Greenlight to Young Adama 'Battlestar' Spinoff
Movie, Possible Series to Come
By Maureen Ryan, AOL.com - October 22nd, 2010

A few months ago, the Syfy network commissioned an online series called 'Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome,' a chronicle of the war experiences of young William Adama.


Oh, like I'm not going to be there. With bells on. :p

Even its terrible title won't stop me...:eek:

Even its terrible title won't stop me...:eek:

Boy that is a bad title. Blood and Chrome makes me think of either a muscle car wreck or a wipe out on an old BMX bike.

"Young Adama"? Geez, you think SyFy is shooting for the <18 set with a title like that? Let's hope they don't kill it and dumb it down too much.

blood and chrome sounds like they are trying to ride the spartacus wave.

Wasn't Blood and Chrome just the name of the webisodes they did on young Adama? I don't think it said that the new show would be titled that. Then again, it was a lot of words and I didn't read them all :D

Wasn't Blood and Chrome just the name of the webisodes they did on young Adama? I don't think it said that the new show would be titled that. Then again, it was a lot of words and I didn't read them all :D

No, the press release did indeed say "Blood & Chrome."

Wasn't Blood and Chrome just the name of the webisodes they did on young Adama? I don't think it said that the new show would be titled that. Then again, it was a lot of words and I didn't read them all :D

Yes initially they said it would be a web show but now Syfy has "upgraded" it to a tv show.

Critic's Notes
The 'Caprica' cancellation: what went wrong?
By Alan Sepinwall, HitFix.com, in his blog “What’s Alan Watching”, October 27, 2010

Two unusual things happened with Syfy's decision to cancel "Caprica," effective immediately: First, we had a cable channel pulling a show off its schedule before its current run of episodes had finished (though the remaining five are supposed to air sometime next year). Second, rather than try to downplay the news - say, by sending out a schedule update press release that briefly mentions at the end that Cheap Filler Program X is replacing the previously-scheduled Canceled Show Y - Syfy put out a press release putting the cancellation upfront, complete with a frustrated quote from executive Mark Stern, who noted, "Unfortunately, despite its obvious quality, ‘Caprica’ has not been able to build the audience necessary to justify a second season.”

Neither move is unprecedented, but both are unusual. Their convergence at the same event speaks both to how much Syfy wanted "Caprica" to succeed, and to how badly the show failed. This was a continuation of the channel's prestigious (if not always highly-rated) "Battlestar Galactica" franchise, and the most obvious symbol of the channel's new "science fiction doesn't mean spaceships" ethos, and its ratings were so poor that they couldn't even stick with it for an extra five weeks.

So what went wrong?

Among the possibilities:

The roll-out schedule was odd. The "Caprica" pilot was released as a standalone DVD in April of 2009, only a few weeks after "BSG" ended, but the series proper didn't launch on Syfy until January of 2010. Ten episodes aired in winter and early spring, and then the show wasn't scheduled to come back until January 2011. Someone at Syfy realized that perhaps the waits were getting too extreme, even by cable standards, and in September the return was moved up to early October, which gave "Caprica" the benefit of a good timeslot (after "Stargate Universe") but the detriment of little advance promotion.

Those long and/or irregular gaps in the schedule certainly didn't help the show gain traction, but I don't think it was a major factor.

"BSG" fans were bitter about that show's finale. Reaction to the "Lost" finale was mild compared to some of the vitriol aimed at Ronald D. Moore and the other "BSG" producers (many of whom moved on to work on "Caprica") after a finale that was heavy on spirituality and light on concrete explanations to various pieces of the show's mythology. As with the "Lost" finale, not all fans hated it - maybe not even most of them - but the "BSG" audience was so small to begin with(*) that even if, say, a third of the viewers bitterly swore off the franchise, "Caprica" was already starting in a hole that may have been too deep to climb out of.

(*) And given that, I'm going to be making some audience generalizations in the next couple of theories. I'm not suggesting all viewers feel this way, but when you start with such a small base, it doesn't take a lot to push things in the direction of cancellation.

Sci-fi fans don't necessarily want to watch soap opera. Moore's initial pitch for the show was, "It's a sci-fi version of 'Dallas,'" and while the finished product moved quite a bit off of that, there were still plenty of elements - marital discord, corporate intrigue, teen angst/rebellion - that may not have played well to viewers who don't like so much overlap between their genres. (The mix also included a whole lot of theology, which is essential to the origin of the "BSG" universe but, based on reaction to the "BSG" finale, not everyone's favorite subject.)

Of course, "BSG" did plenty of genre cross-pollination - it was as much a political drama as a hardcore sci-fi show - but it always had the spaceships and killer robots (the same genre staples Syfy execs said they wanted to move away from) to make the purists feel comfortable. "Caprica" had a killer robot, but it was one with the mind and soul of a teenage girl. For some, that's icky.

Soap opera fans don't necessarily want to watch sci-fi. And here was perhaps the bigger miscalculation. Syfy envisioned "Caprica" as a show with a broader audience base than "BSG." They saw the spaceships and other hardware as a turn-off to viewers who might have enjoyed the political allegory or character drama. But a planet-bound incarnation of "Battlestar Galactica" isn't enough of a break for that sort of hypothetical viewer. If you're not going to watch sci-fi, you're not going to watch sci-fi; it's not a matter of degree or number of shots of the vaccum of space. Some viewrs just won't watch shows with certain subjects.

(That's a problem that's always plagued "Friday Night Lights." Many soap fans won't watch because of the football; many football fans won't watch because of the soap operatics.)

It wasn't very good. This, really, is what it comes down to. "Caprica" didn't get off to a great start in the ratings earlier this year, owing to the previous reasons, but if it had held that number or increased a bit over time, Syfy would have given it a longer leash. But many viewers who came into "Caprica" without prejudices about genre or the "BSG" ending still didn't like what they saw. It was a series with some interesting individual pieces that never cohered into a whole.

The most compelling and/or sympathetic character was Zoe Graystone (Alessandra Torresani), and she was the aforementioned teenage girl's soul stuck inside a killer robot. The writers kept losing the thread on ostensible leads Daniel Graystone (Eric Stoltz) and Joseph Adama (Esai Morales), and had even less idea what to do with Graystone's wife Amanda (Paula Malcomson) or bumbling schemer Sister Clarice (Polly Walker).

The show returned from hiatus trying to reshape its various problematic characters - Clarice was much less inept, Joseph stopped whining and embraced his family's gangster roots, etc. - but there was still a lack of clear storytelling direction, and I kept having to convince myself to watch the episodes that were sitting on my DVR.

That won't be necessary now. In broad strokes, we know how the story of "Caprica" ends - the killer robots multiply and wipe out most of humanity, while Adama's delinquent son Willie will grow up to be the leader of the few thousand survivors - but that's decades in the future for these characters. Their specific stories won't get to finish. Syfy is going to retreat to safer territory for another prequel: "Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome," about Bill Adama's early military career, and featuring all the spaceships and other elements that Syfy was so afraid of a couple of years ago.

I liked the idea of "Caprica" very much. I enjoy space battles as much as the next fanboy, but there should be room on television for science fiction that doesn't have to lean on the hardware, and can lean on the futuristic trappings to tell great stories about ideas and characters. "Caprica" just wasn't that show.

http://www.hitfix.com/blogs/whats-alan-watching/posts/the-caprica-cancellation-what-went-wrong

Well I am glad I stopped watching (Caprica) when it ended last season (or mid season). I just did not like it.

Good call, you missed a whole lot of depressing and pointless crap before the merciful bullet to the head. This show could've gone places, but it went off the rails with all the mono-vs.-polytheism mumbo-jumbo and the complete lack of any character that you would give a sh*t about.

Yeah it had tons of potential but it was totally rudderless. After last weeks Zoe/v world overload I was actualyl hoping it was over cause the writers just had no clue what to do.

CNN Headline: New York May Ban 'Fracking' (http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_topstories/~3/VhkVcIxtDHM/index.html)

Did anyone else see that and think something else, other than what it really meant? o_O

CNN Headline: New York May Ban 'Fracking' (http://rss.cnn.com/~r/rss/cnn_topstories/~3/VhkVcIxtDHM/index.html)

Did anyone else see that and think something else, other than what it really meant? o_O

Yeah, I know. They went and stole that word from the Galactica universe and I, for one, am plenty peeved. It's become my curse word of choice, acceptable in about any social setting, and now I find out it's actually a way of extracting gas by contaminating the local water table. Bummer. :(

TV Notes
BBC America Acquires 'Battlestar Galactica'
By Nikki Finke, Deadline.com - April 21st, 2011

BBC AMERICA today announced it has signed a deal with NBC Universal Domestic TV Distribution to acquire 80 hours of the Emmy and Peabody award-winning science-fiction series Battlestar Galactica. The deal includes a two part miniseries and seasons one to four. It will air in the channel’s Supernatural Saturday line up and premieres Saturday, June 18, 7:00pm ET/PT.

http://www.deadline.com/2011/04/bbc-america-acquires-battlestar-galactica-2/

Well, Jamie Bamber (Lee Adama, aka Apollo) is British, so I guess that's the connection. :p

BTW, BBCA is premiering the BBC grown-up sci-fi series 'Outcasts' (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcasts_(TV_series)) featuring said Mr. Bamber on June 18th. Forum stalwart Keenan has seen it and says it's pretty cool!

Well, Jamie Bamber (Lee Adama, aka Apollo) is British, so I guess that's the connection. :p

BTW, BBCA is premiering the BBC grown-up sci-fi series 'Outcasts' (http://http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outcasts_(TV_series)) featuring said Mr. Bamber on June 18th. Forum stalwart Keenan has seen it and says it's pretty cool!

Sky partially funded the mini/season 1 as well.

By the way, it's disheartening to see D* have the banner advertising Doctor Who on BBCA, when it's only available in their horri-bad SD. I don't watch Dctor Who, but it's a reminder of what we don't have. :(

I'll be catching Dr. Who (in HD) via Amazon on Demand.

Bamber was also on the British version of Law & Order which is broadcast on BBC America.

And don't forget Baltar. He sounds English and he's a quasi-bad guy. ;)

Seriously though, "BSG" has as much business being on BBC America as "The X-Files" and "Star Trek: The Next Generation." Glad the show is being shown regularly somewhere so the cast/crew get some residual money to go with the DVD/BD sales but please, BBC America??!! :rolleyes:

Glad the show is being shown regularly somewhere so the cast/crew get some residual money to go with the DVD/BD sales but please, BBC America??!! :rolleyes:

Where else, now that Syfy is getting out of the SciFi genre? Just think of BBCA as the new SciFi channel and it'll all make sense again.

EDWARD JAMES OLMOS JOINS "DEXTER's" SIXTH SEASON: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=20482158#post20482158.

Wouldn't it be a bitch for Adama to have survived the Cylon invasion and hunt across the universe, only to end sliced-and-diced in Miami? :p

Wouldn't that be more like taking him full circle, back to Miami ..... Vice?

Set myself up real good, didn't I? DOH! :p

Quick question (I honestly don't know, never seen the show), was "Miami Vice" actually shot in Miami? Or, like post-S1 "Dexter," is it an L.A.-shot show that uses exterior shots to make it seem like it's shot in Miami?

My recollection is that it was, a quick check found this Wikipedia entry...

Locations

Many episodes of Miami Vice were filmed in the South Beach section of Miami Beach, an area which, at the time, was blighted by poverty and crime. Some street corners of South Beach were so run down that the production crew actually decided to repaint the exterior walls of some buildings before filming. The crew went to great lengths to find the correct settings and props. Bobby Roth recalled, "I found this house that was really perfect, but the color was sort of beige. The art department instantly painted the house gray for me. Even on feature films people try to deliver what is necessary but no more. At Miami Vice they start with what's necessary and go beyond it."

Miami Vice is to some degree credited with causing a wave of support for the preservation of Miami's famous Art Deco architecture in the mid 1980s-to-early 1990s; quite a few of those buildings, among them many beachfront hotels, have been renovated since filming, making that part of South Beach one of South Florida's most popular places for tourists and celebrities.

Other places commonly filmed in the series included scenes around Broward and Palm Beach counties.

Thanks, guess that answers my question. Didn't "Miami Vice's" last season went through a reboot of sorts (more grit, less artsy)? Maybe that last season is when the show moved to L.A. to save on production costs. Or maybe not, I don't know. ;)

Just think of BBCA as the new SciFi channel and it'll all make sense again.

That's exactly what it is, at the moment. BBCA has the best sci-fi programming of any network.

In a world where Syfy has wrestling, American Movie Classics has Mad Men and the Walking Dead, History Channel has Ax Men and Pawn Stars, and Comedy Central will air a Margaret Cho special, I've given up trying to find any kind of logical relationship between the name of the channel and what they are airing.

As long as there is a channel carrying the flag for great sci-fi programming, I don't care what the name is. It might as well be BBCA.

...Comedy Central will air a Margaret Cho special...

:D good one.

All those networks are just following MTV's lead, which abandoned music, what, like 20 years ago now?

It will be interesting to see what Syfy ends up doing with the second BSG prequel series coming up. My guess is a lot more boom-boom and less think-think.

Maybe TNT's 'Falling Skies' will fill the void, even if adopts a rapid-fire action format similar to AMC's outstanding 'Walking Dead'. I'm afraid that "thinking man's sci-fi" is a thing of the past on TV. No audience for it.

Falling Skies looks weak to me, though I'll still watch.

Has there been any news on B&C? Air dates? Is it a series or just a pilot at this point? Knowing Syfy, they'll air the first hour of the pilot, wait 6 months, air the 2nd hour, then wait 6 more months to launch the series. Then they'll air the first 10 episodes, take a break for a year, release the first 10 episodes on DVD, and then air the last ten.


Then cancel it because people lost interest.

Has there been any news on B&C? Air dates? Is it a series or just a pilot at this point?

the last I heard from people I know on the show, just a pilot at this point, but with a very high probability of a pickup. Syfy was already in discussions regarding the budgets of individual episodes.

I thought the rumor was we weren't going to see the pilot until early 2012

Falling Skies looks weak to me, though I'll still watch.

Has there been any news on B&C? Air dates? Is it a series or just a pilot at this point? Knowing Syfy, they'll air the first hour of the pilot, wait 6 months, air the 2nd hour, then wait 6 more months to launch the series. Then they'll air the first 10 episodes, take a break for a year, release the first 10 episodes on DVD, and then air the last ten.


Then cancel it because people lost interest.

All of this has happened before... ;)

TV Notes
‘Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome’ Not Moving Forward As TV Series On Syfy, May Become Digital Series
By Nellie Andreeva, Deadline.com - Mar. 21, 2012

It’s a case of bad news/good news for Battlestar Galactica fans who have been flocking to the Web to watch an unauthorized trailer for the long-in-the-works offshoot Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome over the past 36 hours. After lengthy deliberations, Syfy has decided not to go forward with the project, about the young years of William Adama, as a regular TV series. Blood & Chrome, initially envisioned as a Web series, was greenlighted as a two-hour TV pilot in October 2010. Because of intensive post-production, including special effects, the pilot was not delivered to Syfy until last November. As of January, Syfy president original programming Mark Stern was quoted as saying that he the network brass were “trying to figure out the economics right now” and that he hoped those would be figured out. Now, the network has passed on the project as a regular series but is looking to do it as a digital one, while airing the already produced pilot on the network as a movie. “Though the vision for “Battlestar Galactica: Blood & Chrome” has evolved over the course of the past year, our enthusiasm for this ambitious project has not waned,” Stern said in a statement today. “We are actively pursuing it as was originally intended: a groundbreaking digital series that will launch to audiences beyond the scope of a television screen. The 90-minute pilot movie will air on Syfy in its entirety at a future date.”

Despite the lengthy production and decision-making, the buzz about Blood & Chrome never died among Battlestar fans. It went into overdrive over the past couple of days following a WonderCom panel over the weekend with Kevin Grazier, the scientific adviser for Syfy’s Battlestar Galactica series, where he screened what was described as a trailer for Blood & Chrome. That trailer, to Trent Reznor and Karen O’s cover of “Immigrant Song” for The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo, found its way to the Web on Monday night and has gone viral — garnering some 100,000 views in 24 hours. The problem was that this was not an official trailer but a demo reel not intended for public consumption and thus not put through the process of clearing music and other rights. It is still unclear how the video made its way to WonderCon, but NBCUniversal today moved swiftly to take down the multiple copies that had popped up on YouTube. Universal Cable Prods, which produces Blood & Chrome, may still shop the project to other networks. Michael Taylor wrote the teleplay from a story by Battlestar Galactica executive producer David Eick, Taylor and Bradley Thompson & David Weddle.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/03/battlestar-galactica-blood-and-chrome-cancelled-syfy/

So a trailer gets leaked that actually has people excited, and they cancel it before it even airs. Yep. Keep reminding me why I haven't watched your channel in years Syfy.

It does look expensive, but you'd think they would have known that before they even shot the pilot.

BSG : Blood and Chrome "Trailer"....while it lasts.

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/TV7yQCnj1pvxae/season-1-trailer

BSG : Blood and Chrome "Trailer"....while it lasts.

http://www.movieweb.com/tv/TV7yQCnj1pvxae/season-1-trailer

How does this work? Do you have to be a member of this "movieweb.com" site? Is there a way to embed the video here? I suspect we'll have to move fast if we want to see it.

That link works for me.

Link works for me too.

Try this one then: http://www.craveonline.com/tv/previews/185203-battlestar-galactica-blood-a-chrome-teaser-trailer

Pretty impressive trailer. Course, no mega-shark, which probably explains SYFY dropping it.

Pretty impressive trailer. Course, no mega-shark, which probably explains SYFY dropping it.

Or piranhas.

So consensus is it is too sci-fi for Syfy?

Last thing I watch on the channel was Caprica.

Same. And that ended in...2009? 2010?

So consensus is it is too sci-fi for Syfy?
More like probably too expensive for SyFy. The trailer had some very impressive visuals, and I'd like to see that get replicated week after week on a TV series. SFX-intensive shows that eventually get cancelled, like Heroes, don't tend to run on the cheap side.

I have this debate with my best friend who used to animate a lot of these shows. With the advance in tech, why can't they have say 2003 quality effects for a much cheaper price? I have never gotten a good answer. I will say that some of those lame Syfy movies have to do that, because their budget is so small.

I have this debate with my best friend who used to animate a lot of these shows. With the advance in tech, why can't they have say 2003 quality effects for a much cheaper price? I have never gotten a good answer. I will say that some of those lame Syfy movies have to do that, because their budget is so small.

It's quite simple. It's because technology is the least important aspect of making great visual effects. Technology is a tool. But it is the artist using the tool that counts. A great artist does great work. A really lame artist does lame SyFy channel movies about giant sharks.

I could hand a laptop with PhotoShop to anyone on the street. They will have a powerful tool. But that doesn't mean they can create good art with it. The guys who *CAN* do great work come at a great price. And labor is your most expensive component of visual effects.

Advances in technology allow us to do things in the computer that used to have to be done with miniatures and practical elements. Things like computer generated smoke, fire, and water used to look terrible. Now we can do those things in the computer and have them look real, but the cost isn't reduced. It's the same as using practical miniatures or practical explosion elements. It's just more convenient on the computer.

Wow. It looks amazing. Too bad. The last thing I watched was Caprica too which I thought was awesome.

I find it to be a treat to see the old-school 1979 Cylon Raiders. But this really doesn't fit in with wrestling and cooking, so it's no wonder SyFy dropped it before it aired.:rolleyes:

That trailer is fantastic. And I remember now why I haven't watched Syfy since the last episode of Caprica. Network is stuck on stupid.

Awesome trailer! I haven't watched much ScyFy since Farscape. The channel has gone down hill slowly since then.

Awesome trailer! I haven't watched much ScyFy since Farscape. The channel has gone down hill slowly since then.

It's funny you should mention Farscape. I've been Netflix'ing the entire series lately. Nice way to kill a couple of hours on a Sunday afternoon. I'm about half way thru the first season (something like 22, 50 minute episodes per season).

It's funny you should mention Farscape. I've been Netflix'ing the entire series lately. Nice way to kill a couple of hours on a Sunday afternoon. I'm about half way thru the first season (something like 22, 50 minute episodes per season).

Starts to kick into high gear with Scorpius, and then never slows down.:D

I'm still pissed at them for cancelling Farscape. Still up there as one of the best science fiction shows.

It's quite simple. It's because technology is the least important aspect of making great visual effects. Technology is a tool. But it is the artist using the tool that counts. A great artist does great work. A really lame artist does lame SyFy channel movies about giant sharks.

I could hand a laptop with PhotoShop to anyone on the street. They will have a powerful tool. But that doesn't mean they can create good art with it. The guys who *CAN* do great work come at a great price. And labor is your most expensive component of visual effects.

Advances in technology allow us to do things in the computer that used to have to be done with miniatures and practical elements. Things like computer generated smoke, fire, and water used to look terrible. Now we can do those things in the computer and have them look real, but the cost isn't reduced. It's the same as using practical miniatures or practical explosion elements. It's just more convenient on the computer.

I understand that, but why do animation budgets continue to rise? According to my friend, there are a lot of companies hiring cheaper animators over the older more expensive animators.

More like probably too expensive for SyFy. The trailer had some very impressive visuals, and I'd like to see that get replicated week after week on a TV series. SFX-intensive shows that eventually get cancelled, like Heroes, don't tend to run on the cheap side.

As someone who's been watching BSG on Netflix the last few weeks, I have no idea how SciFi made BSG work financially for four seasons. Particularly when I compare it to a show like Fringe, which struggles with budget and ratings issues and doesn't rely nearly as much on sets and effects, and has a comparatively tiny cast.

Finally saw the news about B&C :mad:
Typical of what has become of SyFy :p

Only Haven & possibly another season of Sanctuary left for me to turn to them.

The suits who sit at the top must be proud of their accomplishment ruining this genre network :rolleyes:

I agree with the notion that the Pilot will be it. I'm not sure what the financial incentive or other motivation would be to make it an online series. Still have to film it, pay actors, unless it would be all cgi.

What a waste of a network!

As someone who's been watching BSG on Netflix the last few weeks, I have no idea how SciFi made BSG work financially for four seasons. Particularly when I compare it to a show like Fringe, which struggles with budget and ratings issues and doesn't rely nearly as much on sets and effects, and has a comparatively tiny cast.

Looking back on it, we were just lucky BSG, Farscape and the Dune series got made and lasted. Under the new SyFy management, obviously it wouldn't have happened.

Yeah the whole idea that they might continue it as a digital series is a joke. The 2 hour movie is all we will get of this.

Remember the reason Ron Moore wrapped BSG in season 4 is the folks at the network couldn't promise him season 5 would happen as they were writing season 4. So instead of risking having it cancelled he just wrote an ending to it. He really wanted to do a 5th season so everything in the end wasn't so rushed.

Looking back on it, we were just lucky BSG, Farscape and the Dune series got made and lasted. Under the new SyFy management, obviously it wouldn't have happened.

I am not so sure. I guess the way the old management mistreated us by constantly cancelling or threatening to cancel shows I kind of prefer the new way where I pretend the channel does not even exist. Was Dune good? Never got to that one.

Finally saw the news about B&C :mad:
Typical of what has become of SyFy :p

What a waste of a network!

Well said. :(

That trailer was amazing, and shows a phenominal amount of planning and work went into this premise. All the more surprising after the "failure" of 'Caprica'.

Crap.

I guess the only hope is that the real SciFi channel (BBC) can find a production partner and decide to raise this from the ashes.

Ratings estimates placed it under 1 million viewers so that is a good reason for not proceding with production. Shows like Warehouse 13, Merlin (although not a Syfy production), Being Human, Alphas and Haven can draw 2.5 to 3 million or more. If you were an executive for the channel which way would you go?

Caprica, Stargate Universe both drew under 1 million. It just seems outer space SF is at a dead point for some reason.

Ratings estimates placed it under 1 million viewers so that is a good reason for not proceding with production. Shows like Warehouse 13, Merlin (although not a Syfy production), Being Human, Alphas and Haven can draw 2.5 to 3 million or more. If you were an executive for the channel which way would you go?

Caprica, Stargate Universe both drew under 1 million. It just seems outer space SF is at a dead point for some reason.Maybe if Scifi and it's evil spawn Syfy would not/had not fragmented seasons and moved the time slots for these shows, they might have a chance...

Ratings estimates placed it under 1 million viewers so that is a good reason for not proceding with production. Shows like Warehouse 13, Merlin (although not a Syfy production), Being Human, Alphas and Haven can draw 2.5 to 3 million or more. If you were an executive for the channel which way would you go?

Caprica, Stargate Universe both drew under 1 million. It just seems outer space SF is at a dead point for some reason.

Caprica was more of a soap opera then a Sci Fi show. They paced season 1 so poorly that people gave up on the show.

I guess the only hope is that the real SciFi channel (BBC) can find a production partner and decide to raise this from the ashes.

I was in a meeting all week that included a Brit :)
I mentioned that the UK must really like SF shows since they seem to have had quite a few series over many years. He agreed :)

Also, when WB couldn't decide whether or how to release Babylon 5 on home video in the states, the UK seemed to have all the vhs tapes way before they made it to here. Here, we got a mishmash of tapes, 2 seasons on laserdisc, s2, s5, a few episodes of s2 IIRC. Then nothing.

The only way we could collect the series in the US was a combination of WB tapes or the LD's, out of season sequence Columbia House special order tapes which eventually stopped before completing the series and recording the balance off air :p

It took a multi-year petition effort to convince the suits to release it on DVD.

Today's SF home video enthusiasts have it EZ by comparison....wait < 6 mo after it's cancelled ;) then viola....here come the discs!

The BBC seems to do a marvelous job by comparison airing at least some SF. They have their cancellations - Outcasts, Survivors, Charlie Jade - but they still have Dr Who :D

Suits think they are so smart but they are their own worst enemy. Just ask the music industry how smart they think they were :rolleyes:

It wouldn't surprise me if SyFy disappeared in the near future. Even being operated on a shoestring, it's hard to imagine they have enough audience with the programming that exists now to justify its existence financially. Be interesting to see their financials now vs their heyday. Other than the 2 shows I posted earlier, I don't even bother with it anymore. Can we say it's showing signs of a business in classic death spiral mode?

Syfy averages over twice the weekly viewers of BBC America.

Caprica was more of a soap opera then a Sci Fi show. They paced season 1 so poorly that people gave up on the show.
Yep, and they didn't give anyone a reason to care about any of the characters, they were all awful. Except Zoey (the Cylon daughter), I guess, but that plotline was a real stretch. Plus it rained all the time and was depressing, something The Killing has picked up on.

Ratings estimates placed it under 1 million viewers so that is a good reason for not proceding with production. Shows like Warehouse 13, Merlin (although not a Syfy production), Being Human, Alphas and Haven can draw 2.5 to 3 million or more. If you were an executive for the channel which way would you go?

Caprica, Stargate Universe both drew under 1 million. It just seems outer space SF is at a dead point for some reason.

If they stop putting so much weight on the Nielsen ratings that come primarily from boxes hooked up to TVs manufactured before we landed on the moon, they might get a different outcome.

NBC/Universal doesn't need the channel real estate for just another general entertainment channel they have plenty of spots for that programming.

Syfy averages over twice the weekly viewers of BBC America.

Fox News averages more viewers than SyFy. Maybe they should change formats again.

...It just seems outer space SF is at a dead point for some reason.
Perhaps if they hired actual science fiction writers they might produce shows that science fiction viewers actually liked ?? (admittedly a non-mainstream audience)

I just finished watching this series. Great show, but I'm not entirely clear on something. Man created the Cylons, right? These Cylons eventually "evolved" into the humanoid models. Here is where I get confused: How are The Final Five thousands of years old if the humanoid models didn't come about until after the First Cylon War? I'm sure this was explained but I must have missed it. I'll have to do a rewatch soon.

EDIT: Wait a minute, just remembered: The Final Five were on Caprica before the First Cylon War began. So do they predate the Centurions then? Didn't TFF evolve from the Centurions (since man created the Cylons)? Still confused.

Fox News averages more viewers than SyFy. Maybe they should change formats again.

+1
it's all relative, isn't it :)

SciFi was a very watchable network. SyFy has turned into hokey reality show & supernatural clone marathons. Not much intelligence required by the people in charge to make any decisions when all you have to do is run 16 hrs of Being Human or Lost Girl :rolleyes: Let us not forget Friday night's WWW - that's original programming :p

The channel has been devolving over several years and it's about ruined.

BSG-B&C could have been a revival, another Stargate. Apparently, they decided not to take the risk after SG-U & Caprica.

I just finished watching this series. Great show, but I'm not entirely clear on something. Man created the Cylons, right? These Cylons eventually "evolved" into the humanoid models. Here is where I get confused: How are The Final Five thousands of years old if the humanoid models didn't come about until after the First Cylon War? I'm sure this was explained but I must have missed it. I'll have to do a rewatch soon.

EDIT: Wait a minute, just remembered: The Final Five were on Caprica before the First Cylon War began. So do they predate the Centurions then? Didn't TFF evolve from the Centurions (since man created the Cylons)? Still confused.

Apparently is a cycle, "Everything has happened before and will happen again".

The concept is the Cylons were life-forms as souls that needed bodies.

Humans "created" the Cylons, physically - they were "born", spiritually through self-realization.

Or actually re-created and re-born again in the cycle that keeps repeating.

Yeah the whole idea that they might continue it as a digital series is a joke. The 2 hour movie is all we will get of this.

Remember the reason Ron Moore wrapped BSG in season 4 is the folks at the network couldn't promise him season 5 would happen as they were writing season 4. So instead of risking having it cancelled he just wrote an ending to it. He really wanted to do a 5th season so everything in the end wasn't so rushed.

If Blood and Chrome's 2 hour movie gets incredible ratings, there is the slight chance the series will get picked-up as a broadcast TV series.

That's how BSG got started -with the Mini-Series as a ratings test.

I just finished watching this series. Great show, but I'm not entirely clear on something. Man created the Cylons, right? These Cylons eventually "evolved" into the humanoid models. Here is where I get confused: How are The Final Five thousands of years old if the humanoid models didn't come about until after the First Cylon War? I'm sure this was explained but I must have missed it. I'll have to do a rewatch soon.

EDIT: Wait a minute, just remembered: The Final Five were on Caprica before the First Cylon War began. So do they predate the Centurions then? Didn't TFF evolve from the Centurions (since man created the Cylons)? Still confused.
The Final Five were members of the descendants of the original 13th Tribe of Kobol. Many thousands of years ago, The humans on Kobol created robotic lifeforms. That 13th tribe eventually left Kobol to find their own world, Earth. Those robots eventually evolved to create humanoid bodies of their own, and eventually were able to reproduce sexually (no longer needing ressurrection). These new humanoid robots created robotic servants of their own, who eventually rebelled and destroyed them all, except for the final 5 (who had redeveloped the resurrection technology).

The final five traveled to the 12 colonies, which was currently in a war with the Cylons that the colonials created. They met with the Cylons, and promised them the technology to create humanoid bodies in exchange for ending the first Cylon War.

The Final Five were members of the descendants of the original 13th Tribe of Kobol. Many thousands of years ago, The humans on Kobol created robotic lifeforms. That 13th tribe eventually left Kobol to find their own world, Earth. Those robots eventually evolved to create humanoid bodies of their own, and eventually were able to reproduce sexually (no longer needing ressurrection). These new humanoid robots created robotic servants of their own, who eventually rebelled and destroyed them all, except for the final 5 (who had redeveloped the resurrection technology).

The final five traveled to the 12 colonies, which was currently in a war with the Cylons that the colonials created. They met with the Cylons, and promised them the technology to create humanoid bodies in exchange for ending the first Cylon War.

Thanks, I think I get it now. So when the original Cylons left Kobol to find a world of their own, they did it on good terms with the humans? Did the humans just set the Cylons free to lead their own "lives," similar to how the Centurions were in the series finale?

Angel (?) Six says she believes the cycle has finally been been broken, but the robot montage ending sure made it seem like mankind was doomed to repeat itself.

Thanks, I think I get it now. So when the original Cylons left Kobol to find a world of their own, they did it on good terms with the humans? Did the humans just set the Cylons free to lead their own "lives," similar to how the Centurions were in the series finale?
They left it rather ambiguous, but I believe that the reason the 13th Tribe left Kobol was as a result of a war with the humans. The Sacred Scrolls never specifically mention that the 13th Tribe were machines. As far as I can remember, they don't mention the reason that the humans also left Kobol for the Colonies, either. Probably as a result of another war., since Kobol looked ravaged.
Angel (?) Six says she believes the cycle has finally been been broken, but the robot montage ending sure made it seem like mankind was doomed to repeat itself.
The implication was heavy that machines would one day rebel against us, Terminator style.

IIRC during the show they finally either realized or learned that the 13th tribe was the Cylons. They didn't know it at the start but somewhere along the line they became aware of it. Don't ask me exactly wherre cause I can't remember.

Also when the final 5 left earth, they did so to try to warn the colonies before the Cylons got there, but because they were placed in a ship without jump capability, they did not arrive until the first Cylon war was well underway.

IIRC during the show they finally either realized or learned that the 13th tribe was the Cylons. They didn't know it at the start but somewhere along the line they became aware of it. Don't ask me exactly wherre cause I can't remember.
We as an audience learn that the 13th Tribe were Cylons when the fleet reaches Earth (the first Earth). That's when the Final Five wake up to their true nature. Then, Anders tells the story of how the robots that the Earth Colony humanoids created themselves wiped out Earth.

Also when the final 5 left earth, they did so to try to warn the colonies before the Cylons got there, but because they were placed in a ship without jump capability, they did not arrive until the first Cylon war was well underway.
The Final Five left Earth to warn the 12 Colonies to be nice to their robotic servants, or else the same thing that happened to them would happen to the Colonies. The Cylons that destroyed Earth were not the same Cylons that the Colonies created and eventually fought them in the Cylon War.

I know its confusing, but there are several completely different iterations of "Cylons".

See I knew someone would remember and I wasn't making it up.

I remember when they told the story of the final 5 you had to really pay attention cause the timelines involved could easily get confusing.

Also interesting to go back to the first pages of this thread to the so-so response the mini series got but then when season 1 started airing people were like...holy moly this is good.

Interesting questions (never answered) once the series ended. What about the Cylons still on the 12 Colonies? Are they still there? Are they still bent on killing off the humans (who are now long out of reach)? Did the centurions rebel against their skin job brethren?

Interesting questions (never answered) once the series ended. What about the Cylons still on the 12 Colonies? Are they still there? Are they still bent on killing off the humans (who are now long out of reach)? Did the centurions rebel against their skin job brethren?

I believe that one of the Sixes who was leading the Cylon rebels said that the Cylons left the colonies after the Cylons had a change of heart and decided not to seek extermination of humanity. Of course, the faction of Cylons led by Cavill didn't agree and that led to civil war. I can't remember which episode that happened in, though, but I rewatched the entire series last year and remember clearly a Six explaining that at some point.

I need to rewatch this again. It is amazing how much of this I've forgotten.

I believe that one of the Sixes who was leading the Cylon rebels said that the Cylons left the colonies after the Cylons had a change of heart and decided not to seek extermination of humanity. Of course, the faction of Cylons led by Cavill didn't agree and that led to civil war. I can't remember which episode that happened in, though, but I rewatched the entire series last year and remember clearly a Six explaining that at some point.
So that begs the next questions. Even if the Cylons killed off 99.999 per cent of the human population of the colonies, that still might leave a few humans (out of 50+ billion or so) left - who hid well enough to escape detection.

What happens to them? Planets are hopelessly irradiated and little if any tech is left, pretty much no way to leave and no way to contact the 50,000 (now 39,000+) who left right after the holocaust. What happened to those poor souls? :confused:

So that begs the next questions. Even if the Cylons killed off 99.999 per cent of the human population of the colonies, that still might leave a few humans (out of 50+ billion or so) left - who hid well enough to escape detection.

What happens to them? Planets are hopelessly irradiated and little if any tech is left, pretty much no way to leave and no way to contact the 50,000 (now 39,000+) who left right after the holocaust. What happened to those poor souls? :confused:

They'd probably get bored and kill each other.

So that begs the next questions. Even if the Cylons killed off 99.999 per cent of the human population of the colonies, that still might leave a few humans (out of 50+ billion or so) left - who hid well enough to escape detection.

What happens to them? Planets are hopelessly irradiated and little if any tech is left, pretty much no way to leave and no way to contact the 50,000 (now 39,000+) who left right after the holocaust. What happened to those poor souls? :confused:

I've wondered about all that too, and have thought that the next BSG series should return to the Colonies post-apocalypse, rather than be set in the past. They set a precedent with Anders and his group surviving the holocaust; surely others did as well.

And what of the Cylons -- did they all just up and leave and join one side or the other during the civil war, or were there other factions that splintered off? If the Cylons, including the centurions, were developing independent personalities, there could easily be splinter groups that didn't take part in the civil war.

And what of other ships surviving? Surely the entire colonial fleet wasn't docked at the colonies -- that'd be one heckuva coincidence and awfully convenient for the Cylons. At least the original BSG had a believable reason for the entire fleet to be in one location to be wiped out; there was no reason for the entire fleet in the new BSG to be home just to be destroyed.

Don't get me wrong. I loved this show, start to finish. But it always felt unfinished to me. I wish the producers would take the series forward post-apocalypse back at the colonies and address other angles of the ravages of war and holocaust, rather than go backward.

And what of other ships surviving? Surely the entire colonial fleet wasn't docked at the colonies -- that'd be one heckuva coincidence and awfully convenient for the Cylons. At least the original BSG had a believable reason for the entire fleet to be in one location to be wiped out; there was no reason for the entire fleet in the new BSG to be home just to be destroyed.
My answer to this would be that in nuBSG, there didn't appear to be much of a reason for a ship to venture very far away from the Colonies. There weren't any alien lifeforms, there weren't very many interesting planets nearby, and those ships would mostly be used for homeland defense (from the Cylons) and interplanetary travel.

The fleet wasn't all docked at the colonies. As we saw in Razor some of them were at the fleet docking stations.

Also, the Cylons through the help of Baltar had hacked into the defense networks, so they knew where every ship in the fleet was. They were not guessing when they attacked.

The fleet wasn't all docked at the colonies. As we saw in Razor some of them were at the fleet docking stations.

Also, the Cylons through the help of Baltar had hacked into the defense networks, so they knew where every ship in the fleet was. They were not guessing when they attacked.

Well, got me there. Good point. :)

The fleet wasn't all docked at the colonies. As we saw in Razor some of them were at the fleet docking stations.
Pardon, when I say "Colonies" I mean the Star System they're in. Fleet Docking Stations would presumably be within quick distance of one of the planets in the Star System. For example, according to some maps I've seen, the Ragnar Anchorage is still inside the Star System.

In the general vicinity yes.

Didn't they make a jump to get into Ragnar in the mini?

The real unanswered question in all of this is how multiple cycles of humanity spread across millions of years and gajillions of miles of space all came up with the name "cylon" for the machines they created :D

The real unanswered question in all of this is how multiple cycles of humanity spread across millions of years and gajillions of miles of space all came up with the name "cylon" for the machines they created :D
Only the robots created by the 12 Colonies were called "Cylon".

The Earth Robots (the final five) weren't technically Cylons, they just started calling themselves that because they didn't know what else to call themselves.

It's all happened before, and will happen again.

I've been rewatching some of the earlier episodes recently. Why, at the end of the miniseries, does Head Six tell Baltar "Your escape is only temporary. We will find you" if she is not in fact a cylon, but an angel of some sort? By "we," I can't imagine she was referring to the other angels, as I wouldn't think you could escape such supreme beings by simply jumping "over the red line."

Also, why do the cylons even bother with sleeper agents? It only presents complications. Sharon's human personality was constantly crashing with her sleeper cylon programming. Of course she is going to be freaking out if she wakes up dripping wet with no memory of the last several hours. This only risks her drawing attention to herself. Caprica Six and Doral (Number Five) seemed to have no problems blending in and carrying out their cylon duties without the need for sleeper programming. Are the Number Eight models just bad liars or something? :rolleyes:

I've been rewatching some of the earlier episodes recently. Why, at the end of the miniseries, does Head Six tell Baltar "Your escape is only temporary. We will find you" if she is not in fact a cylon, but an angel of some sort? By "we," I can't imagine she was referring to the other angels, as I wouldn't think you could escape such supreme beings by simply jumping "over the red line."

The "angel" thing was only revealed at the very end. Deux ex machina, I suppose, like Starbuck. My guess is that at the time those first episodes were written they had no idea what they were ultimately going to do with Head Six. The series as a whole was so frakkin' great I cut them some slack on that stuff.

Also, why do the cylons even bother with sleeper agents? It only presents complications. Sharon's human personality was constantly crashing with her sleeper cylon programming. Of course she is going to be freaking out if she wakes up dripping wet with no memory of the last several hours. This only risks her drawing attention to herself. Caprica Six and Doral (Number Five) seemed to have no problems blending in and carrying out their cylon duties without the need for sleeper programming. Are the Number Eight models just bad liars or something? :rolleyes:

Sort of. It was revealed that the #8's were highly emotional and "flawed" in that respect. They were made sleepers so they could blend in easier and wouldn't do something stupid and let the cat out of the bag too early.

FWIW BBC America is finishing up their marathon re-airing of the 4-year BSG arc this weekend:

Saturday, April 7th(all times EDT):

4 AM (yes, AM): 2003 Original Miniseries, "Night 1, NIght 2" (4 hours)
8 AM: Miniseries "Razor" (2 hours)
10AM: "The Plan" (says it's "new"?) (2 hours)
12 noon: final season episoides 17-18-19-20 (4 hours) (aired 1 and 2 weeks ago)
4PM: Ep 21 "Daybreak part 1" (1 hour) has not yet aired on BBCA
5PM: Ep 22-23 "Daybreak parts 2 & 3" (2 hours) has not aired yet on BBCA

I know not everyone gets BBCA, and even fewer in HD, but TWC here has it and we will be recording all day on both the SA DVR and the Happague 1212.

So say we all...

The Plan is the movie they made after the series finale to try to wrap up any loose ends and tell a little of the story from the Cylon point of view. I didn't care for it that much.

Yeah. I wasn't a fan of The Plan either. You could stop watching with the finale and end the series on a high-note.

I've been rewatching some of the earlier episodes recently. Why, at the end of the miniseries, does Head Six tell Baltar "Your escape is only temporary. We will find you" if she is not in fact a cylon, but an angel of some sort? By "we," I can't imagine she was referring to the other angels, as I wouldn't think you could escape such supreme beings by simply jumping "over the red line."

The "angel" thing was only revealed at the very end. Deux ex machina, I suppose, like Starbuck. My guess is that at the time those first episodes were written they had no idea what they were ultimately going to do with Head Six. The series as a whole was so frakkin' great I cut them some slack on that stuff.

Also remember that the mini-series was filmed some time before the rest of the series. Besides, Head-Six screwed with Baltar quite a bit, so just chalk it up to that.

If anyone who is or was a fan of this show but still has not purchased the blu-ray:

Amazon has the individual seasons from $18.99 to $19.99. Much cheaper than last weeks $116 for the set with the cylon toy. The only part not included is The Plan.

I think most of those are half season sets, aren't they? Making it more like $40 per season. Amazon has a lovely habit of not listing the episodes in these shiny-disk TV series sets, so you don't really know what you're getting until it arrives.

What I'm waiting for is the complete series in one BD set for under $100, any way I can get it. (And I don't need any plastic Cylons.) That's the Holy Grail for me, and what I've been waiting for. I've already got Razor and The Plan. But a complete set includes all the webisodes too. Some of them are pretty critical to the overall plot arc - like the one with Gaeta and "Sharon" in that Raptor, or the one where a young Bill Adama discovers Cylons experimenting with humanoids and then the First War mysteriously ends. You don't get the complete story without them, IMO. Does anyone know if they're included on any of the box sets?

IIRC the websiodes of Gaeta in the Raptor which was before season 4 or 4.5 are NOT on any dvd set anywhere. That was a issue post writers strike.

If the Adama ones are not on the Razor dvd that you have then i doubt they are on a disc anywhere either.

As for paying $19 per season, some of the seasons are split in half so you would pay more to buy them individually then to have paid the $103 for all of them.

I think most of those are half season sets, aren't they? Making it more like $40 per season. Amazon has a lovely habit of not listing the episodes in these shiny-disk TV series sets, so you don't really know what you're getting until it arrives.

What I'm waiting for is the complete series in one BD set for under $100, any way I can get it. (And I don't need any plastic Cylons.) That's the Holy Grail for me, and what I've been waiting for. I've already got Razor and The Plan. But a complete set includes all the webisodes too. Some of them are pretty critical to the overall plot arc - like the one with Gaeta and "Sharon" in that Raptor, or the one where a young Bill Adama discovers Cylons experimenting with humanoids and then the First War mysteriously ends. You don't get the complete story without them, IMO. Does anyone know if they're included on any of the box sets?


There was only one 1/2 season set ever released on Bluray (4.5). There was never a 4.0 set and when they went back to Season 4 it included all 20 last season episodes plus Razor (TV and extended).

The Resistance webisodes are included in all the season sets and Complete sets. The last season Faces of the Enemy webisodes aren;t included on any published set yet, but are available on itunes apparently and various places on the net.

The UK Complete set (US Compatible and exactly the same as the US sets except for packaging and lacks The Plan) has been available in the past for $75-90 shipped on a few occasions so keep an eye out.

There was only one 1/2 season set ever released on Bluray (4.5). There was never a 4.0 set and when they went back to Season 4 it included all 20 last season episodes plus Razor (TV and extended).



The UK Complete set (US Compatible and exactly the same as the US sets except for packaging and lacks The Plan) has been available in the past for $75-90 shipped on a few occasions so keep an eye out.

Thanks. I was concerned for a bit even though I researched this issue for several days.