I'm going back and watching the DVDs for the 1st half of Season 2. I actually started watching the series with the Season 1 finale on NBC-HD, and then watched Season 2. I didn't see Season 1 till over the Christmas break. So now I'm working on Season 2 1st half again, catching all the things I missed and refreshing my memory. Man, this is a good show.

It could be my imagination (and how bad it looks on Sci-Fi, zoomed in on my TV), but the Season 2 seems a lot better PQ-wise than the Season 1 DVDs.

I wonder why we haven't seen the doctor from the "farm" again anywhere.

But I like how Rosilyn(sp?) and Adama have come full circle, from him throwing her in the brig, to him kissing her in a non-"friend" way.

It was also interesting last night to see the episode where Adama questions the Chief about Boomer. He seemed to be saying that if the Chief loved her, then she must have been more than a machine - that she had been on the ship with him for 2 years and he didn't see her that way. Near the end of the episode, he cried on her dead body (shot by Kellie(?)). Later on he talks to the pregnant Sharon and seems to think of her as more than a mere 'toaster'.

Again, great stuff. Great show.

I don't think we're going to see the Pegasus CAG again, or at least not on a regular basis. John Pyper-Ferguson was a guest star from LA, not a local actor, so he's more expensive and probably not as available.

Although he is a former Recycled Canadian Actor who's been on a lot of shows filmed in Vancouver, going all the way back to 21 Jump Street -- including The X-Files, Millenium, Outer Limits, Poltergeist the Legacy, Adventures of Brisco County Jr., Sentinel, The Crow: Stairway to Heaven, Highlander, Smallville, Jeremiah. I'm sure I've missed some.

I think they should bring back the other Pegasus pilot featured in the first part -- the guy from First Wave.

I think the fact that they didn't spend any time on the succession is an indication that Pegasus will not be around long...

It could be my imagination (and how bad it looks on Sci-Fi, zoomed in on my TV), but the Season 2 seems a lot better PQ-wise than the Season 1 DVDs.
It's a known fact that the PQ from SciFi channel is awful. Washed out with no contrast in some scenes and overly dark in others- just a mess. A couple weeks ago- when Lee ejected from his Viper into space, I saw little blue artifacts in all the dark areas.... thought it was mini-aliens :D . The PQ from SciFi is dreadful.
I'm amazed how good the PQ is on the DVD sets- very close to the HD broadcast on UHD. It does seem like they "turned up the lights" as far as set lighting goes from season one to season two. On DVD season one is just fine, but via the SciFi feed it's way too dark.
Wonder if they lightened it up because of complaints from SciFi or it's viewers??
Maybe Universal cut a deal with SciFi to kill the PQ in it's broadcasts to make people want to buy the DVD's once they're out???

I'm amazed how good the PQ is on the DVD sets- very close to the HD broadcast on UHD.

for those who don't have the DVDs the audio is night/day better than Sci-Fi, too. I discovered this while catching my wife up (she just watched pilot off DVD 2 wks before 2.5 started, got hooked and did a marathon to catch up in time). having watched 1/2.0 on Sci-Fi I was prepared to turn back into an analog 480i pumpkin but wasn't prepared for how disappointing the "normal" sound was by comparison.

if you haven't bought the DVDs it's even better in 5.1 (and upconverts nicely as others have noted).

I think the fact that they didn't spend any time on the succession is an indication that Pegasus will not be around long...


I wonder how the Pegasus made it so far. I thought the Galactica and the old Vipers were still functioning because they're not "networked" and can't be jammed by the Raiders. I know they had to retrofit the Vipers after the only one that worked was the display in the museum area, but the Galactica itself isn't networked, like Adama likes it because he knows what happened the first time around.

Would Adama put Tigh on the Pegasus? Or let a Pegasus person move up? Hmm...

for those who don't have the DVDs the audio is night/day better than Sci-Fi, too. I discovered this while catching my wife up (she just watched pilot off DVD 2 wks before 2.5 started, got hooked and did a marathon to catch up in time). having watched 1/2.0 on Sci-Fi I was prepared to turn back into an analog 480i pumpkin but wasn't prepared for how disappointing the "normal" sound was by comparison.

if you haven't bought the DVDs it's even better in 5.1 (and upconverts nicely as others have noted).


I don't know about night and day. It still sounds pretty good in DPLII Movie. The PQ upgrade on DVD over Sci-Fi Channel is night and day, though.

We need to start writing Sci-Fi Chan and complaining about the horrible PQ on that channel. Is it just over Comcast? Or does everyone have terrible Sci-Fi PQ on all the carriers?


Write them and complain:

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I wonder how the Pegasus made it so far. I thought the Galactica and the old Vipers were still functioning because they're not "networked" and can't be jammed by the Raiders. I know they had to retrofit the Vipers after the only one that worked was the display in the museum area, but the Galactica itself isn't networked, like Adama likes it because he knows what happened the first time around.

Would Adama put Tigh on the Pegasus? Or let a Pegasus person move up? Hmm...

supposedly, the Pegasus did not receive the cylon virus because they were in drydock...so their systems were ok...there's a lot of holes in that story, but the writers have clearly demonstrated they know nothing about networks...

I find it very difficult to see anyone from the Galactica taking over Pegasus...the commander needs to be instantly familiar with the people and the ship...after all, they are in the middle of a war...

supposedly, the Pegasus did not receive the cylon virus because they were in drydock...so their systems were ok...there's a lot of holes in that story, but the writers have clearly demonstrated they know nothing about networks...

I find it very difficult to see anyone from the Galactica taking over Pegasus...the commander needs to be instantly familiar with the people and the ship...after all, they are in the middle of a war...

You would think that Admiral Adama would have a sit down with the command staff of the Pegasus. Have them explain what went on with them since the start of the Cyclon War. Get a feel for who he can depend on and trust. There has got to be some messed up (emotionally) people in command over there from the war crimes they commited or were forced to commit. I would think they would need some stable (lack of a better term) people from Galatica to come over and smooth things out.

I find it very difficult to see anyone from the Galactica taking over Pegasus...the commander needs to be instantly familiar with the people and the ship...after all, they are in the middle of a war...

Why? We all know they are going to be blown to Kingdom Come sooner or later. :D

Taking command of a military vessel, even during wartime, should go to the best qualified commander. If he's not from the Pegasus, he can get up to speed pretty fast.

An Army of asses led by a lion is infinitely more effective than an Army of lions led by an ass.

An Army of asses led by a lion is infinitely more effective than an Army of lions led by an ass.
Sun Tzu..? :D

Taking command of a military vessel, even during wartime, should go to the best qualified commander. If he's not from the Pegasus, he can get up to speed pretty fast.

An Army of asses led by a lion is infinitely more effective than an Army of lions led by an ass.

I agree...but my point is this: you're in a critical battle (all battles are critical, I guess)...you need something done right away:

1. That something would be dependent on the ship's capabilities
2. You must give the order to someone that can deliver and perform

those two things need a familiarity that Tigh, Starbuck, or Lee do not have...only someone from the Pegasus can have such intimate knowledge of the crew and the ship...the Pegasus is also a new ship, so you can safely assume that the crew is better qualified than the ones that were on the museum ship...

I just think that familiarity trumps anything unless the gap in the qualifications is just too great (and I don't think the gap exists)...

What you need is the familiarity of the capabilities of a battlestar. The personnel can vary, as long as they know their individual responsibilities. If you took command of the Enterprise, whether you say "Beam me up, Scotty" (something that was actually never said on the show) or "Engineering, beam me up" doesn't really matter. What would matter more is poor judgement that a less experienced officer, even if he is familiar to the crew, may say - something like "Scotty, send more Redshirts, pronto". ;)

Guys, I hate to break this to you, but the replacement commander of the Pegasus is going to be dictated by the needs of the story to maximize the drama. It's not going to be based on things like fictional capabilities (though that might be addressed as "window dressing" to rationalize whatever decision the writers go with).

You may go back to arguing among yourselves.... :D

David, don't be ignorant - you act like this is all just make believe. For Gods' sake, the survival of the human race is on the line here. ;)

You may go back to arguing among yourselves.... :D

what arguing? I was making perfect, valid comments...everybody who didn't agree with me was just showing how wrong they were...

there was no argument ;)


:D

Give Tom Zarek the Pegasus.......

Doc Cottle would be the perfect choice for Pegasus C.O.!

Remember episode with the "coffee riot"-
Tigh: "How the frack did this happen?" Doc Cottle: "You put pilots in charge of crowd control genius!".
Doc Cottle is da man!!! Just set him up with a carton of Lucky's and he's good to go... :D

Doc Cottle would be the perfect choice for Pegasus C.O.!

Remember episode with the "coffee riot"-
Tigh: "How the frack did this happen?" Doc Cottle: "You put pilots in charge of crowd control genius!".
Doc Cottle is da man!!! Just set him up with a carton of Lucky's and he's good to go... :D

Yeah, Back in Season 1 He was Smoking in the Sickbay! That was so Funny.......

Doc Cottle is one of my favorite characters, I can just seem him performing open heart surgery with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. :D

Doc Cottle is one of my favorite characters, I can just seem him performing open heart surgery with a cigarette hanging out of his mouth. :D

Like the Seinfeld episode where Kramer dropped some candy into a patient on the operating table. Was it a Milk Dud or what, I can't remember?

Junior Mint - They're Delicious!

Junior Mint - They're Delicious!

That's it!! Good memory CP. I still watch reruns of that show. Of course I watch each episode of BSG at least three times, twice on the SciFi channel in SD and then once on UHD.

One of my fav Doc Cottle scenes was when Baltar was getting the brain scan to resolve the "# Six is a chip in my brain" issue.
While inside the imaging tube Six starts agitating Baltar and the doc tells him to stay still. Then Six grabs Baltar down below which causes him to jump up and ruin the scan... Doc Cottle: "Will you stop going crazy in there!!".
Maybe they should have him build a Cylon detector?? Hmmmm... Wonder if Cylons smoke?

One of my fav Doc Cottle scenes was when Baltar was getting the brain scan to resolve the "# Six is a chip in my brain" issue.
While inside the imaging tube Six starts agitating Baltar and the doc tells him to stay still. Then Six grabs Baltar down below which causes him to jump up and ruin the scan... Doc Cottle: "Will you stop going crazy in there!!".
Maybe they should have him build a Cylon detector?? Hmmmm... Wonder if Cylons smoke?

Doesn't Cottle also mutter something like, "frakin' hypochondriac" while Baltar is standing right next to him? I agree, he's great. I bet the writers love him.

As CPanther95 implied, since they are not in an immediate engagement, what the Admiral would be looking for (absent DavidF's point about dramatic license) is familiarity with the art of command, secondly tactical competence, then finally knowledge of the command (personnel and equipment). There are war planners and system experts there to support the commander and forestall bad decisions on tactics and technology. Not so much with the art of leadership.

Promotions from within can bring their own challenges from familiarity, which may be greater than any unfamiliarity. An 'on the cusp' leader can be derailed easily by that, when s/he could have grown and succeeded elsewhere. Remember, there is only a limited pool to select from; not much time to wait for the cream to float to the top.

Promoting from within could raise up the character interplay drama, but these topics are not dissimilar to the topics explored when Kat and the other pilots were brought in and Starbuck's revelation.

Tom Zarek already runs two ships...

Back to your regularly scheduled discussions of Doc Cottle...

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Sounds like you've been hanging around C&GS too long. :)

Tom Zarek already runs two ships...


Then shouldn't he be Admiral Zarek? :p
(Richard Hatch is terrific in that role - I'd love to see it expanded.)

My vote goes to the dweeb that is the assistant to the President - assuming the Pegasus is destined for destruction. :)

My vote goes to the dweeb that is the assistant to the President - assuming the Pegasus is destined for destruction. :)

Billy? He will become President. That is my guess.

My vote goes to the dweeb that is the assistant to the President - assuming the Pegasus is destined for destruction.

OMG no making fun of Billy! He is adorable. [/fangirl]

(Well, he *is*.)

My vote goes to the dweeb that is the assistant to the President - assuming the Pegasus is destined for destruction. :)

Then Billy will go down in Colonial history as a valiant war hero. Statues will be erected in his honor! School children will utter his name with reverence! He will become a legend!

The moral? Be careful what you wish for. :p

Billy? He will become President. That is my guess.

I totally, 100% agree...unless this actor gets a bigger gig somewhere, I suspect he will have a huge political role...

Billy also gets my vote for:

"guy most likely to be a cylon"

Mark my words, you heard it here first. :)

He's privy to all of the highest level information of the government (through Roslin), and the military (through Adama's interaction with Roslin, plus directly through Dualla). So he is definately "in the know". Plus, he is not really in a position of power, meaning that he's out of the public eye, and can fly below the radar on a lot of things.

I totally, 100% agree...unless this actor gets a bigger gig somewhere, I suspect he will have a huge political role...

He actually did get a brief "leave of absence" from BSG to go do a pilot for another network earlier this season. No word on a pick-up, but considering how minor his role is on this show, I'm not sure anyone would notice (even Dee). :p

President Baltar

I actually think Tigh wouldn't be a bad choice, as long as he was given someone that had a clue to be his XO.

I think Tigh would do all right as a tactical commander of a battlestar, if he leaves the day-to-day operation of the ship to whoever would be his XO. You see - it would be different from when he was acting in Adama's place on the galactica - then he was the fleet commander and did not have an XO - a position he is not a good choice for.

However, I think he'd do an acceptable job commanding a battlestar in a fire fight, as long as Adama was keeping and eye on the strategic setting and Tigh has his own XO to take care of the day-to-day ops.

However, I think he'd do an acceptable job commanding a battlestar in a fire fight, as long as Adama was keeping and eye on the strategic setting and Tigh has his own XO to take care of the day-to-day ops.

Good point! He is supposed to be some sort of tactical expert, besides all the day to day ops do intrude on Happy Hour(s). :p

Billy also gets my vote for:

"guy most likely to be a cylon"

Mark my words, you heard it here first. :)


My money is on Gaeta...

Billy also gets my vote for:

"guy most likely to be a cylon"

Mark my words, you heard it here first. :)

Assuming nothing we know has changed (e.g., the cylons don't kidnap humans and duplicate them) I would have to disagree.

Otherwise, for cylon Billy to end up in the position he's in, he would have to *know* that no other cabinet member would survive the initial attack, and that Roslin -- who was, what, 30-something in line? -- would become president, and as her aide, he'd end up in this great position to know stuff.

I guess it's possible, but it seems extremely unlikely, and a too-TV plot device for this show.

I don't think any of the other human-model cylons will turn out to be people we already know... I think they'll pop up as new characters, like the doctor and Xena the reporter.

I don't think any of the other human-model cylons will turn out to be people we already know... I think they'll pop up as new characters, like the doctor and Xena the reporter.

I agree. There's no indication, at this point, the Cylons used real humans as models for their "replicants".

I don't think any of the other human-model cylons will turn out to be people we already know... I think they'll pop up as new characters, like the doctor and Xena the reporter.

Well, let's see: in the original series, Fred Astaire turned up claiming to be Starbuck's dad. Maybe we could have Dirk Benedict appear out of nowhere as Commander Buckstar and then he could.....oh, never mind. That would be the "jump the shark" episode for sure.

He actually did get a brief "leave of absence" from BSG to go do a pilot for another network earlier this season. No word on a pick-up, but considering how minor his role is on this show, I'm not sure anyone would notice (even Dee). :p

Especially since she's been eyeing Lee Adama's package the last few eps.

Doc Cottle is da man!!! Just set him up with a carton of Lucky's and he's good to go... Yeah, Doc's great......in a mean old crusty, cantankerous kinda way.

Otherwise, for cylon Billy to end up in the position he's in, he would have to *know* that no other cabinet member would survive the initial attack, and that Roslin -- who was, what, 30-something in line? -- would become president, and as her aide, he'd end up in this great position to know stuff.

I think that maybe it's simply just luck. We don't know Billy's whole back story, but we are starting to see part of Roslin's. She had an intimate relationship with the former president. Maybe they just hoped to get Billy close to someone who would have influence on the president, and then got more than they bargained for. Who knows...

I do believe that we'll see at least one more cylon model turn out to be someone that we know.

I do believe that we'll see at least one more cylon model turn out to be someone that we know.
I'm hoping for the Jessica Alba or Lexa Doig look-a-like model :D :D :D :D

Well Lexa is in the area guesting on Stargate SG1 a lot these days. A brief walk across the lot for her. :)
Since they have had Lucy Lawless on here, why not Renée O'Connor?

Anybody have the soundtrack from Season 1?
I started a thread on it HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=639767) in the music/DVD forum.

I do believe that we'll see at least one more cylon model turn out to be someone that we know.

I was wondering, wouldn't they have scanned the 'Resurrection Ship' for other models, granted wasn't exactly on Starbuck's mind? We've seen 6, now what about the 'other half'?

1. Sharon
2. PR Guy
3. Lor-something, the Arms dealer
4. The good Dr. on Caprica
5. The Reporter, aka Xena
6. well, #6/Gina/Scientist obviously

Now we know from Sharon that they're 8 still in the fleet. Minus Gina, 7, but, how many copies? People are aware of the first three, and the Galactica knows of #6. As for sleeper, what about Rosalyn, I thought she saw a copy of herself in the Square when having her flashbacks? And, it was the 'hybrid's' blood that healed her--Baltar notes that it's much different from human, and cylon-clone blood.
The Cylon-as-human was a great premise that really gives intrigue to the show.

I was wondering, wouldn't they have scanned the 'Resurrection Ship' for other models, granted wasn't exactly on Starbuck's mind? We've seen 6, now what about the 'other half'?

1. Sharon
2. PR Guy
3. Lor-something, the Arms dealer
4. The good Dr. on Caprica
5. The Reporter, aka Xena
6. well, #6/Gina/Scientist obviously

Now we know from Sharon that they're 8 still in the fleet. Minus Gina, 7, but, how many copies? People are aware of the first three, and the Galactica knows of #6. As for sleeper, what about Rosalyn, I thought she saw a copy of herself in the Square when having her flashbacks? And, it was the 'hybrid's' blood that healed her--Baltar notes that it's much different from human, and cylon-clone blood.
The Cylon-as-human was a great premise that really gives intrigue to the show.

Since Starbuck knows the doctor is a cylon, it's a good bet all of Galactica knows of him...right now, they know 5 of the 12 models...

I was wondering, wouldn't they have scanned the 'Resurrection Ship' for other models, granted wasn't exactly on Starbuck's mind? We've seen 6, now what about the 'other half'?

1. Sharon
2. PR Guy
3. Lor-something, the Arms dealer
4. The good Dr. on Caprica
5. The Reporter, aka Xena
6. well, #6/Gina/Scientist obviously

Now we know from Sharon that they're 8 still in the fleet. Minus Gina, 7, but, how many copies? People are aware of the first three, and the Galactica knows of #6. As for sleeper, what about Rosalyn, I thought she saw a copy of herself in the Square when having her flashbacks? And, it was the 'hybrid's' blood that healed her--Baltar notes that it's much different from human, and cylon-clone blood.
The Cylon-as-human was a great premise that really gives intrigue to the show.


I thought Laura was remembering seeing Baltar with blonde #6 kissing in the square, not seeing a copy of herself.

was the guy in the ammo-refill station the same model as the one that Laura put out the airlock? or was that a different one?

I thought Laura was remembering seeing Baltar with blonde #6 kissing in the square, not seeing a copy of herself.

You are correct.

Since Starbuck knows the doctor is a cylon, it's a good bet all of Galactica knows of him...right now, they know 5 of the 12 models...

Unless the Galactica is becoming more like LOST where no one tells anyone else anything useful. :D

Yeah, Doc's great......in a mean old crusty, cantankerous kinda way.

He reminds me of our old family doctor. He was cantankerous,crusty, as well. Use to tell us to lye still or he can't to his job in a gruff old voice....then on the other hand he would be a big softy with the little children.

Best doctor we ever had....he ended up retiring.

As for future Cylons...Billy and Gaeta are excellent choices. Whom ever it turns out to be we will be surprised, that I am sure.

was the guy in the ammo-refill station the same model as the one that Laura put out the airlock? or was that a different one?

yes, both are the same model.

I'm on record on another forum since early in season 1 that Gaeta is a spylon ;)

The ones we know about are:

1) Dorel (sp?) - the PR guy from the miniseries
2) Leoben - the arms dealer
3) Sharon - Boomer
4) #6 - Gina/Shelly Godfrey
5) Simon - the doctor on Caprica from "Farm" (maybe only Starbuck knows about him)
6) Deanna Biers - TV reporter (Galactica crew doesn't yet know that she's a Cylon)

This episode was a real turd........

This episode was a real turd........
felt the same way. pure filler + cliche after cliche.

The last two episodes don't feel connected with the rest of the series...they don't feel like they're happening inside the storyline...I didn't see the preview, so I don't really have any idea what is going to happen next week...but I hope they get back to the storyline. I don't mind an episode or two building up one of hte main characters...especially if it relates to something big in the following episodes...I just hope the previous two episodes were not in vain...I can't see them doing those two for no reason...

The last two stories were “stand alone” episodes. Not really part of the season’s main story arc.
I’m not crazy about the reverse timeline stuff where we see the end of the episode first then the “68 hours ago….” backstory. Hopefully they won’t do too many more of them….

I think the last two episodes showed that the main characters like Starbuck and Apollo have issues (feelings of loss, helplessness and an uncertain future) and how they deal with them. Apollo paid for sex and Starbuck hit the bottle. Just diversions to help forget about their problems for a short time….. same as members of the Thirteenth Tribe.

Kat was really on Starbuck’s butt bigtime and I was hoping for a good catfight, but Apollo interrupted it with a mission- damn! It’s nice to see some minor character involvement it these stories instead of just the regulars.
Looks like Starbuck has pretty much bottomed out and is due for a rebound.
Baltar & Six/Gina were absent last night…. Hmmmmm?

Not my favorite episode either, but I still enjoyed it.

i'm not sure there is much of a story arc to get back to.

If they ever make it to earth, the series is over, and that was the downfall of the original series. It ended in mid-voyage...was resurrected as Galactica 1980 where they reached earth with the next generation crew...and we wound up with Super Scouts type episodes. Blecch.

If the concept of BSG is still a type of "Wagon Train in Space", it will be about the journey, not the destination. I may be wrong, but the "filler" type episodes may be what we are in for.

Of course, if the arc is the "what are the Cylons up to and what is their plan", then I wonder if Galactica will really head toward earth. It seems the indications are that the Cylons want to re-populate the colonies with the new breed of human/Cylon hybrids. If so, I wonder if the desire to reclaim the home worlds for humanity will be too strong.

Granted, the Galactica and Pegasus are only 2 warships, and the rest of the fleet are just civilians so an all out assualt would be suicide. Yet, if there are survivors on Caprica, why not the other colonies?

...but I still enjoyed it.So did I. Like Lost, it's gonna take several successive bad eps for BSG to lose me as a viewer.

i still think they have plenty of story left to tell...they built a ton of great character arcs and I think they could revisit them at any time. Caprican survivors? Baltar and the revolution with #6? The Pegasus? Cylon baby? President's survival and realization that their is a cylon sleeper agent in her cabinet? Their continued journey towards Earth? Their continued survival against their enemy?

I think the next 5 episodes will be good!

I thought it was a pretty good episode, besides the good acting, it was yet another step in portraying the Cylons, whether they be "machines" or "human-like" in form have a "soul" or "memories. The talk between Sharon and Starbuck about Scar was interesting, and to add weight to the theory that the Cylons are more than just machines, there was no mistaking that when Scar was taken out(shot down and crashed) there was "blood and guts" scattered all over the tip of that asteroid.

I still contend that there is a lot more to the Cylons than just a bucket of bolts and it's going to be a big factor as the story goes on.

It was a fine episode. It will develope the characters for a wham-bam season ender. These Raider ships are like a wolf-pack. Interesting to see they get meaner after dying. Puts another layer on the Cylons and their "Pets".

I am pretty sure the pace of the season will start to pick up....it has that "feel" to it.

I'd like to see an episode from the Cylon point of view on a basestar or the cylon homeworld. Where is the Cylon homeworld? Let's have a background story on the war between the cylons and the colonies.

I think a good episode would be a sneak flight back to Caprica to get some survivors and intel.

How about running into an alien species on the way?

Just so long as it isn't the Alliance from the planet Terra that used to produce alcohol for the colonies, but got cut off yarns ago.

I'd like to see an episode from the Cylon point of view on a basestar or the cylon homeworld. Where is the Cylon homeworld? Let's have a background story on the war between the cylons and the colonies.

I think a good episode would be a sneak flight back to Caprica to get some survivors and intel.

How about running into an alien species on the way?

Why Aliens? Why would that be at all neccessary? In fact that would add an entire new level of cheese...

Why Aliens? Why would that be at all neccessary? In fact that would add an entire new level of cheese...


The producers have gone on record as saying that's something they'd like to avoid.

IIRC, this is the third episode in a row where they start out in the present/future with a confrontational moment (last night, the Scar battle, week before - Apollo threatening to kill Bill Duke's character, etc.) and then cut back (and sometimes back and forth) in time. That kind of non-linearity can be attributable to hooking the viewer in during the first few minutes, but can also be the result of an inability to portray a compelling story in a linear manner. I really like BSG, but I'm disappointed to note that its looking more like the latter.

Second, AFAIC, the last two episodes are intertwined to relate more back story that will lead to Starbuck's and Apollo's future romantic entanglement, which has pretty much been expected since the beginning of the series. That's why Apollo didn't get to keep his hooker, and Starbuck's past reflects the kiss of death. One will be in great danger at the end of 2.5, to highlight this theme further. Things are getting a little too formulaic.


I still contend that there is a lot more to the Cylons than just a bucket of bolts and it's going to be a big factor as the story goes on.
PlayDoh?? :D

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PlayDoh?? :D

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Chance favors the prepared mind
Yes, the Cylons are actually a bunch of Mr. Bill characters. :p

I also Liked the episode.

Looks like Capt. Starbuck IS assigned back on the Galactica.

The producers have gone on record as saying that's something they'd like to avoid.Though aliens created the cylons in TOS, that concept would make things messy, as I already mentioned a few pages back.

I thought this was an excellent episode. Those calling it "filler" -- I don't get where you're coming from. This is a character-based show, so this type of episode -- that really explores where a character is and why at a given moment -- is exactly what we should expect. If all you care about is getting to earth and space battles, I think you're not going to be real happy with the show and where it's going.

This episode was full of great insight into the life of a pilot in general, and Starbuck in particular. It was full of small, insightful moments. I love the gender role reversal in the sex scene, and Starbuck's lie that she doesn't remember their names. She remembers *all* of their names -- that's a good part of what's destroying her.

Though aliens created the cylons in TOS, that concept would make things messy, as I already mentioned a few pages back.

Yes, but it's irrelevant to this version of the story. "The Cylons were created by man" is the first thing we see in every episode.

We're not going to see any aliens. That's just not this show.

We're not going to see any aliens.That's all I was trying to say. No aliens.....I hope not, anyways.

Relax guys.

It will take at least a year before they blow the concept.

Lie back and enjoy the ride.
:)

Ed

Aren't they all aliens - by definition? ;)

Relax guys.I'm cool.....as much as I love 'em both, I'm only giving BSG and Lost a third season apiece before I tune out.

The makers of BSG are definitely fans of the little known series, Space:Above and Beyond.
The overall dark, hopeless tone, the limied number of cyborg models, and now this episode which is a remake of the "Chiggy Von Richthofen" episode of S:AAB.

Not complaining, just noting...

hmm interesting...I used to love Space Above and Beyond (one of the many great series that Fox has cancelled...*shakes fist at Fox*...but I didn't know this was a remake...care to explain more?

The makers of BSG are definitely fans of the little known series, Space:Above and Beyond.
The overall dark, hopeless tone, the limied number of cyborg models, and now this episode which is a remake of the "Chiggy Von Richthofen" episode of S:AAB.

Not complaining, just noting...

Yea, I was a fan of Space, and this episode did remind me of the "Chiggy"ep. As far as the dark hopeless tone, that is more due to a more realistic depictment of war in general vs the rah, rah, of the old John Wayne movies and such.

I guess outside of this being a Starbuck ep, they tried to answer questions regarding the loss of Vipers, Cylon raiders "learning" to adapt their tactics when they "die".

Overall I thought this episode was okay, was "filler" in that they were trying to answer some questions, but still advancing the story if only just a tiny bit.

BTW did you catch the references to Cassie and Puppet?

I thought this was an excellent episode. Those calling it "filler" -- I don't get where you're coming from. This is a character-based show, so this type of episode -- that really explores where a character is and why at a given moment -- is exactly what we should expect. If all you care about is getting to earth and space battles, I think you're not going to be real happy with the show and where it's going.

This episode was full of great insight into the life of a pilot in general, and Starbuck in particular. It was full of small, insightful moments. I love the gender role reversal in the sex scene, and Starbuck's lie that she doesn't remember their names. She remembers *all* of their names -- that's a good part of what's destroying her.

As I said before every single show in the history of television except Ted Macks Original Amateur Hour, sports presentations and stand up comic specials fit your definition of a character based show, that doesn't make BSG special or different. What makes it different is the fact that is takes place in outer space and is science fiction! You can paint that donkey any color you wish but this is still a Sci Fi series.

If you want a character based show with aliens there are many successful examples. Try watching the Babylon Five series.

That being said this last episode was interesting but still qualifies as filler.

I confess that I was a little disappointed in this episode. That sort of thing has been done better in too many brave-fighter-pilots-at-war movies to recount here. Further, I was a little turned off by the "memorial wall" of dead aviators and the mournful reading of their names after the air group returned from dispatching Scar. It seems to me that combat survivors actually go out of their way to avoid talking about or thinking about their comrades who didn't make it.

After the heights of inspiration achieved by the episode in which blood from Sharon's fetus turns out to be the cure for the president's cancer, these last two BSG episodes have been pretty pedestrian. Still, hope springs eternal.

What the writers have to do is go back to the drawing board. Forget Earth for the time being. Why bring death and destruction to our planet that has 8 billion. I sure as hell don't want those Cylon bastards in my back yard. Little selfish don't you think.

The story line should be: Lets find the Cylons home world and finish it off before they think about Earth.

Hey guys, all good points, but as in all sci-fi series there have always been weak episodes, which of course makes the good ones all the much better.


BTW did anybody catch today's DILBERT? It has a reference to BSG, pretty funny!

I confess that I was a little disappointed in this episode. That sort of thing has been done better in too many brave-fighter-pilots-at-war movies to recount here. Further, I was a little turned off by the "memorial wall" of dead aviators

that wasn't a memorial wall of dead aviators...that wall started out as a place for survivors of the original attack to place pictures of family members so that they could be transfered wirelessly back to the colonies...but after the colonies collapsed, and there was little hope of survival for anyone on the planets, it turned into a wall to grieve for all that was lost. It wasn't just for avaiators...This was seen in the Mini-Series when D tried to send a picture of here family and couldn't because they were only sending text...pretty awesome scene

zmeister - I caught that. That was funny.

This episode was a good character building episode. Shows the competition between Starbuck and Kat. Also shows that Apollo is coming back to his normal self. Starbuck will then come back to her normal self.

. . . It turned into a wall to grieve for all that was lost. It wasn't just for avaiators...This was seen in the Mini-Series when D tried to send a picture of here family and couldn't because they were only sending text...pretty awesome scene

Nevertheless, I found unconvincing the idea that a bunch of fliers who were fighting and dying on a daily basis would wallow in death and loss. But, what the hell, this is fiction and opinions vary.

gwsat - don't forget that their race is all but gone, they ahve a glimmer of hope, but they have no other supplies but what is in their fleet, their home planets are gone and they are running for their lives from an enemy that wants them dead!

So I can understand where they can wallow in the death of fellow pilots. They have no real time off, the klaxon sounds, they run to their fighters. That's it.

gwsat - don't forget that their race is all but gone, they ahve a glimmer of hope, but they have no other supplies but what is in their fleet, their home planets are gone and they are running for their lives from an enemy that wants them dead!

So I can understand where they can wallow in the death of fellow pilots. They have no real time off, the klaxon sounds, they run to their fighters. That's it.

My analysis leads me to the opposite conclusion. Their circumstances ARE desperate and many of them are regularly dying. Thus, I can't see why they would want to spend much, if any, time reflecting on those who have been killed in combat. As Satchel Paige once wisely put it, "Don't look back because something might be gainin' on you."

True, but they are human, and humans respond differently in these situations. Some are feeling it now and some aren't. Apollo felt it during Resurrection Ship Pt 2, and this episode it was Starbuck. It's that little thing that reaches that one point for an individual that puts them in this place. Meanwhile another person won't even notice. Yet! It shows that they are human and not machines.

As I said before every single show in the history of television except Ted Macks Original Amateur Hour, sports presentations and stand up comic specials fit your definition of a character based show, that doesn't make BSG special or different. What makes it different is the fact that is takes place in outer space and is science fiction!

Um, never denied it was a sci-fi series. It just happens to be a character-based one. They are not mutually exclusive.

There are many shows that are plot driven rather than character driven -- all the Law & Orders, CSI's, and most other procedurals. The difference in those shows is that the plot drives everything and any character development you get is incidental. On a show like BSG, the character development is a key part of the narrative, and the plots serve to illuminate character, rather than characters existing mostly to drive the plot along.

Thus, episodes like this one that have more character development and less plot developments are not "filler" -- they are the heart and soul of the show.

The makers of BSG are definitely fans of the little known series, Space:Above and Beyond.
The overall dark, hopeless tone, the limied number of cyborg models, and now this episode which is a remake of the "Chiggy Von Richthofen" episode of S:AAB.

Not complaining, just noting...

It reminded me of that episode too ("The Angriest Angel") at the beginning, but I don't think it was a remake of it. I think it was a lot more internal in terms of Starbuck's story.

Also shows that Apollo is coming back to his normal self.

I wonder if he is, though.

Anyone notice that we haven't seen him pilot a Viper since he ejected from the Blackbird? Maybe that's not his primary job anymore, but in the situation where pilots, especially experienced ones, were needed so badly, it did stand out to me.

I guess I meant that he is no longer feeling like he wished he didn't come back at all.

But yes, I have noticed that he hasn't flown anything since then. Either he pulled his flight status or else he had to doctor do it. We shall see.

BTW did anybody catch today's DILBERT? It has a reference to BSG, pretty funny!

you know I read that strip yesterday morning and it didn't register at all. I guess I'm used to talking about the show w/friends & coworkers who are also fans.

IMHO I thought it was a great episode, possibly the best this season (so far). my neighbor disagrees but his wife agrees w/us. will be interesting to see what work folk say...

We're not going to see any aliens. That's just not this show.
Edward James Olmos was quoted in an interview as saying “If they bring in one eyed monsters- I’m out of here”. The producers are aware of this fact because they relayed that particular quote during an on-camera interview.
......looks like the Irwin Allen fan club is in for a let down!

I wonder if he is, though.

Anyone notice that we haven't seen him pilot a Viper since he ejected from the Blackbird? Maybe that's not his primary job anymore, but in the situation where pilots, especially experienced ones, were needed so badly, it did stand out to me.

Anyone also notice that Starbuck and Kat are now flying the more modern Mark VII vipers - the ones that could be electronically shut down by the Cylons as shown in the miniseries - instead of the older Mark II models. Apparently they (the Galactica crew) have figured a way to retrofit the newer models to avoid the problem of them picking up the Cylon virus that shut them down.

Problem is, the shots they use showing them being shot down the launch tubes still show the Mark II models (a goof?). You can tell by looking at the tail assembly as it makes its way down the launcher. The need to shoot a scene with the newer model going down the launcher.

Anyone also notice that Starbuck and Kat are now flying the more modern Mark VII vipers - the ones that could be electronically shut down by the Cylons as shown in the miniseries - instead of the older Mark II models. Apparently they (the Galactica crew) have figured a way to retrofit the newer models to avoid the problem of them picking up the Cylon virus that shut them down.

Problem is, the shots they use showing them being shot down the launch tubes still show the Mark II models (a goof?). You can tell by looking at the tail assembly as it makes its way down the launcher. The need to shoot a scene with the newer model going down the launcher.

The problem was SOFTWARE, not hardware. It was Baltar's navigation program that allowed the Cylons to 'backdoor' their way into their equipment and shut it down.

Was this the first episode that showed the mining ship? Didn't know they had one in the fleet. Very convenient, and explains how they get material to replace the vipers. Also sounds like they now have a viper assembly line. Seemed like when they built the blackbird, that wasn't available. Otherwise it wouldn't have been that big a deal to make it.

Was this the first episode that showed the mining ship? Didn't know they had one in the fleet. Very convenient, and explains how they get material to replace the vipers. Also sounds like they now have a viper assembly line. Seemed like when they built the blackbird, that wasn't available. Otherwise it wouldn't have been that big a deal to make it.

Very true. It does seem at times they are trying to hard not to showcase the technology. I like that, but it does leave some gaps.

Was this the first episode that showed the mining ship? Didn't know they had one in the fleet.
It was mentioned (but not shown on screen) in the 1st half of season two in "Home" where 24 ships jumped back to Kobol with the President. Adama asked Dee "what did we lose?" .... she mentioned a mining ship among others. Tigh responded "We can't afford to lose a mining ship".
That episode was on UHD last night ;)

Also sounds like they now have a viper assembly line. Seemed like when they built the blackbird, that wasn't available. Otherwise it wouldn't have been that big a deal to make it.

The president indicated that Pegasus had the assembly line on board. The Pegasus was not around at the time they created the BB.

The president indicated that Pegasus had the assembly line on board. The Pegasus was not around at the time they created the BB.

I guess this is one of the upgrades on the newer battlestars, that they are little more self contained and have the ability to produce Vipers, munitions, fuel, etc.

I thought Laura was remembering seeing Baltar with blonde #6 kissing in the square, not seeing a copy of herself.

Both, She saw Baltar with #6, in two separate flash-backs, once walking to together, and a second making out. After seeing the two making out, she looked down across the moat-reflecting pool, to a group of people down at the square, and the one with her back to Rosalin had red hair like her--maybe just seeing things, I'll need to check it when UniHD re-airs. I originally though it was maybe her meeting with the teachers union.

I must say I've liked the character episodes. I noticed that Starbuck, said nothing about Apollo's extracurricular activities, but, he mentioned Anders. Wonder if She knows about his real regrets? I like the fact that they show the evolution of the characters. Apollo 'assassination' of the Black Marketer was a somewhat unexpected twist, but, from his guilt about his brother he seems more apt to try and fix everything himself. Whereas Starbuck is starting to have feelings get in the way. Her thought of Anders, and her promise are starting to make her more aware of consequences, whereas before she'd just do something and think about later. Note how it was Kat who slugged her, and she held back in the mess hall. And, looks like Apollo may have some physical scars, along with emotional scars after their encounter, liked how Starbuck leaves, yanking the bar that 'locked' the door. The talk with Sharon also was fun. Seems Sharon's not totally comfortable with her inner robot.

I guess this is one of the upgrades on the newer battlestars, that they are little more self contained and have the ability to produce Vipers, munitions, fuel, etc.

Wow. This would never happen in our current system. Could you imagine what the defense contractors would say if the Pentagon told them they would have to build an aicraft carrier that could make its own planes. Ouch.

I guess this is one of the upgrades on the newer battlestars, that they are little more self contained and have the ability to produce Vipers, munitions, fuel, etc.
Could also be that Galactica had any equipment used for such an assembly line stripped during her museum conversion. Pegasus was still a frontline ship.

Anyone else think that Anders is a cylon? How else could the resistance stay alive? Part of the plan to lure the fleet back to the Colonies? We have seen realtionships between male humans and female cylons. Other than Billy/Gaeta is there another possibility for a female human/male cylon relationship?

Also, I am surprised that no one has mentioned the trailor on Yahoo for season 2. Number ^ says she gets to kill a cylon. To date, #6 has killed one person - Kane. More evidence Kane was a cylon?

And yeah, I thought of Chiggi von Richtoffen, too. Thought it was too similiar and made the epsisode tired.

Anyone else think that Anders is a cylon? How else could the resistance stay alive? Part of the plan to lure the fleet back to the Colonies? We have seen realtionships between male humans and female cylons. Other than Billy/Gaeta is there another possibility for a female human/male cylon relationship?

Also, I am surprised that no one has mentioned the trailor on Yahoo for season 2. Number ^ says she gets to kill a cylon. To date, #6 has killed one person - Kane. More evidence Kane was a cylon?

And yeah, I thought of Chiggi von Richtoffen, too. Thought it was too similiar and made the epsisode tired.


I thought Anders and several other of the party Helo and Starbuck encountered were part of the pro Pyramid Ball team. Not that they couldn't be Cylons even then, but I have my doubts. It would be a nice kicker, though, after all the crap she's given to Helo about Sharon.

But from the preview for next week, it looks like there is a hostage situation where people may die. I don't buy that Kane/Cain? was a Cylon, personally.

I thought Anders and several other of the party Helo and Starbuck encountered were part of the pro Pyramid Ball team. Not that they couldn't be Cylons even then, but I have my doubts. It would be a nice kicker, though, after all the crap she's given to Helo about Sharon.

But from the preview for next week, it looks like there is a hostage situation where people may die. I don't buy that Kane/Cain? was a Cylon, personally.

I don't think that Kane was a Cylon either. Why? Well all the models we have seen are in their late 20's, early 30's. Every model is exact( of course the actors are the same) but goes to reason that the development of the human models is relatively recent, say within the last 5 years. I don't think you can make admiral in 5 years, 15-20 is a more realistic even if you do bust ass. I would put Kane in her early 40's, so she was a relatively young admiral.

Now as far as Anders is concerned, I would say the possibility that he is a Cylon would be pretty high. Just because he played pro Pyramid Ball proved Nada! Hell all the Cylons are more advanced athletically so it would be an excellent cover.

Still, Anders is leading a resistance. Why wouldn't his programming take over and reveal the location of their base? Interesting stuff.

I was thinking about the ages as well, except for the reporter, who seemed to be older, closer to Kane's age. The scene where she showed other Cylons the tape was interesting - I don't know where it was in the fleet...

If anyone reads Dark Horizons, BE WARNED they spoil the hell out of the rest of the Season and Season 3 without even a mention of Spoilers....FRACK...stupid Dark Horizons....DO NOT CLICK ON THEIR NEWS LINK

Could also be that Galactica had any equipment used for such an assembly line stripped during her museum conversion. Pegasus was still a frontline ship.

A good point. As the Galactica was stripped of munitions and I forget the other parts that were in the soon to be colonial 1 that Apollo used to fool the Cylons into thinking they had been nuked. They will probably be building that functionality back into Galactica over time. They could even put the inactive landing bay back into service.

We also noticed a couple weeks ago that they had the munitons production in full swing, remember Kat's exploding "gatling" gun?

Still, Anders is leading a resistance. Why wouldn't his programming take over and reveal the location of their base? Interesting stuff.

I was thinking about the ages as well, except for the reporter, who seemed to be older, closer to Kane's age. The scene where she showed other Cylons the tape was interesting - I don't know where it was in the fleet...

I go the impression, that they smuggled it out through a link in the two raiders that showed up near the end of that episode. Someone notes that some raiders gave their lives to get the 'tape' out. Though why would the Xena double be so clued in. Since the Cylons present are know Cylons, not sure how they would hide out--but, if we're to believe Sharon there are a few more in the fleet.

And, the real sleeper Cylon would be Dee. Privy to all communications, and connections to both. Then again that's what's so ingenious about the show that all are suspects, and not necessarily "...'till proven guilty".

And, the real sleeper Cylon would be Dee. Privy to all communications, and connections to both. Then again that's what's so ingenious about the show that all are suspects, and not necessarily "...'till proven guilty".
That's a good point. Her first name is Anastasia.

from Wikipedia:

Anastasia or Anastacia is a female given name which comes from Koine Greek. Its literal translation is "She who shall rise up again" although it is usually just referred to as meaning resurrection.

The scene where she showed other Cylons the tape was interesting - I don't know where it was in the fleet...


They were viewing the tape back on Caprica as it showed, "Cylon Occupied Caprica" as it cut to them.

I'm honestly confused....When did they show that Lawless was a cylon? Which episode was it? I thought they didn't find out or were going to find out later on this season...

I'm honestly confused....When did they show that Lawless was a cylon? Which episode was it? I thought they didn't find out or were going to find out later on this season...

She was the reporter that filmed the Galactica crew after the "massacre" while Adama was out and Tigh was commander. She took the tape, and the cut footage with pregnant Sharon, to show other Cylons.

I'm honestly confused....When did they show that Lawless was a cylon? Which episode was it? I thought they didn't find out or were going to find out later on this season...

It was in her "starring" episode - the very last scene. She's screening the film she made about Galactica, then the camera pulls back to reveal she's showing it to Cylons - Six and the diplomat-guy! A particularly power-packed denouement in a series that's seen a lot of 'em.

oh holy crap...how could I forget that...don't you think Adama or any of the rest of the crew would have thought something was funny when Admiral Cane look similar to the reporter?

Thats so freaking weird....how could they not suspect something? arg...wow I'm an idiot :)

oh holy crap...how could I forget that...don't you think Adama or any of the rest of the crew would have thought something was funny when Admiral Cane look similar to the reporter?

Thats so freaking weird....how could they not suspect something? arg...wow I'm an idiot
Don't take this the wrong way, but.... What the hell are you talking about?

Admiral Cain didn't look anything like the reporter! :confused:

but they were the same person? the same double...thats what I'm just now grasping...I completely forgot that Lawless was already on the show...

Another question is, how did she rise to such power?

I'm confused by you lax01. Admiral Cain (?sp) was played by Michelle Forbes. D'anna Biers was played by Lucy Lawless. They look nothing alike. All of the 'copies' of other cylons have been played by the same actor. I don't think Cain and Biers are the same cylon.

Furthermore, it was never even implied on the show that Admiral Cain was a cylon.

I'm confused by you lax01. Admiral Cain (?sp) was played by Michelle Forbes. D'anna Biers was played by Lucy Lawless. They look nothing alike. All of the 'copies' of other cylons have been played by the same actor. I don't think Cain and Biers are the same cylon.

THANK YOU...thats why I was so confused...because I thought Lawless was the same person in both episodes...and then I got confused when I read the Dark Horizons news about Lawless and thinking it was Admiral Cain...well now that that confusion is resolved, whos ready for this weeks episode?

Sorry if this is has already been answered, but I didn't find it in the discussion.

How much delayed behind the SciFi Channels BSG is UHD's BSG (Local cable just activated UHD yesterday.)

CCourtney

Sorry if this is has already been answered, but I didn't find it in the discussion.

How much delayed behind the SciFi Channels BSG is UHD's BSG (Local cable just activated UHD yesterday.)

CCourtney

Home part 2 (S2E07) is the next episode of BSG on NBC/UHD

I'm glad others have felt disappointed about the flashback aspect - to me, its one reason why these last 3 on SciFi haven't been particularly enthralling. If you have to resort to previewing a tense situation at the end of the episode to keep someone's interest, your scene selection isn't as good as it has been.

Crossing my fingers that the remainder of 2.5 gets back to 2.0 quality.

Tonights Episode was great. Shame about Billy......

Glad to see Lee get his Promotion next week.

Yea, I liked tonight episode, and thanx god billy died.

Billy, don't be a hero....

Yippee!

This episode was definitely BSG quality. But you have to admit, even a bad BSG episode is better than 90% of rest of the television.

I really hope you people who were thinking that Billy is a cylon are totally ashamed of yourselves.

*sniffle*

Great episode.

Billy, don't be a hero....

Yippee!


Man, that's cold. Poor kid was probably buying his first house. Now he's out of a job and has to count on residuals from syndication.

Great episode. Lots of development moving the story forward on several levels.

I really hope you people who were thinking that Billy is a cylon are totally ashamed of yourselves.

*sniffle*

Great episode.

I wasn't one of those who thought he was a Cylon but he could still have been one and yes he could reappear. He did say that "his brother had died on Picon", which is where Boomer was from.
It was said earlier that there had been some sort of major accident on Picon that resulted in a number of orphans. The Cylons may used this as a cover for their models to thwart background checks.

I think his inability to handle himself sold me on his humanity. The other models all can take care of themselves, and have some martial training. If Billy was a Cylon, he must have been the martyr model.

v/r,
C-F

(The biggest question on my mind when I went to bed was whether or not the guy in the Sci-Fi dog/balloon commercial really placed his lips on a lapdog's butt and how many re-takes?)

If Billy was a Cylon, he must have been the martyr model.
:D :D :D

I'm kinda' sorry to see Billy go. He was Roslin's prime confidant and, as she said, the closest thing to family she's got. I see this as hardening her character, maybe to the point of recklessness. His part had certainly been marginalized, though, and they didn't seem to be able to figure out where to go with the Billy/Dee thing. And she hit on him originally, didn't she? Just like she's now hitting on Apollo. Hmmmmm.....

She's a Cylon.

She was clandestinely inserted into the fleet like Sharon. Her job was to be an opportunist, to get close to whomever she could in a position of power and/or knowledge. The perfect spy; who'd suspect cute little Dee?

As my final bit of evidence, I give you the meaning of her first name, Anastasia, as pointed out by David Larkins a few posts back.


"from Wikipedia:

Anastasia or Anastacia is a female given name which comes from Koine Greek. Its literal translation is "She who shall rise up again" although it is usually just referred to as meaning resurrection."

And as to Starbuck, something tells me she's not going to deal with this shooting very well; back into the bottle probably. This has to end with her going back to Caprica to look for her ballplayer, probably unauthorized. But fortunately, from the previews, it looks like Apollo inherited his father's remarkable ability to recover ultra-quickly from serious gunshot wounds. Must run in the family. ;)

<Stan> You bastards! You killed Billy! </Stan>

Another top-notch episode. And I was really surprised they killed Billy.

I absolutely love how they write Adama and how Olmos plays him. He never second guesses himself, doesn't talk about his decisions, he just makes them and follows through. Even when he explains himself after the fact to the president, he just says something brief like, "I made a tactical decision. It carried some risk." No second guessing, no asking what anyone else would have done or thinks he should have done.

OK, I know her dead body came in handy in the last episode, but why in the world are they keeping Sharon on ice? It is a little creepy that Adama goes down to the morgue and visits her periodically.

If they aren't human, is it necrophilia? :)

They are probably keeping Sharon on ice for possible future study.

:D :D :D

... they didn't seem to be able to figure out where to go with the Billy/Dee thing. And she hit on him originally, didn't she? Just like she's now hitting on Apollo. Hmmmmm.....

She's a Cylon.

She was clandestinely inserted into the fleet like Sharon. Her job was to be an opportunist, to get close to whomever she could in a position of power and/or knowledge. The perfect spy; who'd suspect cute little Dee?



Interesting point. I hadn't considered Dee, but she is certainly well placed in command and control to be a great set of eyes and ears for the Cylons. I'll put that one on the back burner.

She's a Cylon.

She was clandestinely inserted into the fleet like Sharon. Her job was to be an opportunist, to get close to whomever she could in a position of power and/or knowledge. The perfect spy; who'd suspect cute little Dee?

Sorry, not buying it. Her relationships with both Billy and Apollo are very genuine. I just don't see it happening.

I thought Boomer's relationships seemed "genuine" also.

OK, I know her dead body came in handy in the last episode, but why in the world are they keeping Sharon on ice? It is a little creepy that Adama goes down to the morgue and visits her periodically.
I think Adama is still fascinated, or perplexed maybe, with how Sharon could have gotten away with what she's done. I think he is doing is own little study of the psyche of the Cylon, the more he knows about it/them the better. I also think there is more to the Sharon/Adama relationship that has been shown to us yet. When one thinks about what has been said between the two in the last 5-6 episodes, it becomes apparent, to me anyhow, that Sharon has become a philosophical equal, or sounding board to keep his own feelings or thoughts about running the fleet in check lest he becomes like Tigh or Dana Delaney's(she still looks great doesn't she? :) ) character. He sees the value in knowing more about her as opposed to just "breaking" or "killing" the "machine". I'm convinced he sees she is far more than just a machine and it is causing him moral and practical dilemmas.

Although the ep has already aired, I wished Billy's death could have been spoilerized. I only saw the first ten minutes or so, and was starting to agree with the poster that said he could possibly be a future president. He finally shows some guts (the way he stood up to Adama) and now he's deep-sixed. Someone page Doc Cottle and tell him to bring down some type 'C' blood for a transfusion......

If you're concerned about spoilers, always avoid these discussion threads until you've seen any episode that has aired on the East Coast.

Man, that's cold. Poor kid was probably buying his first house. Now he's out of a job and has to count on residuals from syndication.


Actually, I just listened to the Ronald Moore's podcast for this episode and he said the main reason they decided to kill Billy is because Paul Campbell (the actor who plays Billy) has had to turn down several leading roles because of his commitment to BSG. So, really, Billy's death is good career move for Paul Campbell.

Actually, I just listened to the Ronald Moore's podcast for this episode and he said the main reason they decided to kill Billy is because Paul Campbell (the actor who plays Billy) has had to turn down several leading roles because of his commitment to BSG. So, really, Billy's death is good career move for Paul Campbell.

Great, then it's a Win-Win.

Just had time to watch it and wow, this is what BSG is all about. Nobody is safe, nobody. I do admit though, I got a little excited when they were going to kill Ty's wife...I was yelling kill her! KILL HER!!!!!!! However Billy's death definitely has more resonance with the rest of the characters. I didn't see the preview but I hope they don't just wash over it and not make a point out of it. As Dee said, he's not military and I hope they make this apparent to the rest of the hiding terrorists in the fleet that when they pull ignorant stunts like this, you kill your own.

4 episodes left...I can only imagine its going to be truly excited for the rest of the eps....

And are all of you satisifed that this wasn't a backwards episode? :)

Whatever happened to Tigh's wife?

I agree with archiguy. I've always felt Dee was too quick with the hook-up with Billy.

Ed

Whatever happened to Tigh's wife?

Ed

hopefully she got shot by one of the Marines after they realized who she was....and that Marine should get a medal...the medal of valor

=archiguy She's a Cylon.

She was clandestinely inserted into the fleet like Sharon. Her job was to be an opportunist, to get close to whomever she could in a position of power and/or knowledge. The perfect spy; who'd suspect cute little Dee?


This makes more and more sense to me. Thinking of Dee being a sleeper. Remember she said in the response to Billy after he asked her to marry him: "I, can't..." It is like that question messed up her emotions and/or programing. She is in the middle of her mission and can't deviate from that.

Notice she also saddled up to the two closest people to the two most important people in the Fleet! Lee with his fatther and Billy with Roslin...hmm...maybe you guys are on to something...it would make a lot of sense to infilitrate to that level to get inteligence...

Yeah, still not buying it.

Sharon on Galactica was a sleeper... for Dualla to be an effective spy, she'd have to know she was a cylon, and given that Galactica wasn't supposed to be any kind of player at the beginning, it is all a little too convenient a place for a spy to be. There are only 12 models, and three (including Leisure Suit Larry) happened to be on Galactica when the world ended?

I guess it's possible -- I just don't think it's likely. I don't think any more of the Cylons are going to be familiar characters... it's too TV, too pat, and just the antithesis of what this show is trying to do and be.

good point...I'm not sold anymore either (never really was)...

but what if, the Cylons knew they were going to destroy all the battlestars but the Galatica...because, for some reason,....yeah that doesn't work :)

nevermind :)

I agree that, after a couple of below average outings, this week's episode was excellent. I was beginning to worry that the BSG folks had lost their mojo.

I thought that "Two Gun" Starbuck's cowboy turn in the lounge, and her shooting of Billy, was typical of her. Starbuck is brave and often effective, but she is, alas, prone to causing a lot of collateral damage.

err, Starbuck shot Apollo. The brother shot Billy (I think, could have been the wife).

v/r,
C-F

Yeah, still not buying it.

Sharon on Galactica was a sleeper... for Dualla to be an effective spy, she'd have to know she was a cylon, and given that Galactica wasn't supposed to be any kind of player at the beginning, it is all a little too convenient a place for a spy to be. There are only 12 models, and three (including Leisure Suit Larry) happened to be on Galactica when the world ended?

I guess it's possible -- I just don't think it's likely. I don't think any more of the Cylons are going to be familiar characters... it's too TV, too pat, and just the antithesis of what this show is trying to do and be.

My problem with Dee being a Cylon also lies with the numbers game. 12 models to cover all the battlestars, bases, strategic areas, that the Colonials had. It just seems unlikely that 2 sleepers would be assigned to the same battlestar, but then again this is TV.

Dee doesn't have to know she is a Cylon to be an effective spy though. With all those communiques she sees and her presence in the command center, she accumulates all kinds of info. Sharon on Caprica knew everything that Boomer knew about her past experiences and relationships on Galactica. How??

My guess that there is some sort of automatic download of all the info stored in a Cylon's brain at various points. In this way the Cylons would get up to date info from their sleepers without risking outside contact and exposure.

My guess that there is some sort of automatic download of all the info stored in a Cylon's brain at various points. In this way the Cylons would get up to date info from their sleepers without risking outside contact and exposure.

Same thing with 6 in Baltars head...she claims shes not connected but she seemed to know a lot about the on-going situation...on that matter, since now the resurrection ship has blowned up, has 6 left Baltar's head forever? So many unanswered questions and only 4 more episodes....

My problem with Dee being a Cylon also lies with the numbers game. 12 models to cover all the battlestars, bases, strategic areas, that the Colonials had. It just seems unlikely that 2 sleepers would be assigned to the same battlestar, but then again this is TV.


While there are twelve models, we've seen that more than one copy of each model can be active at the same time. "Six" was on Caprica and Pegasus (presumably) when the war broke out. The "bomber" in Season One had to have been active at the same time as his P.R. counterpart.

While there are twelve models, we've seen that more than one copy of each model can be active at the same time. "Six" was on Caprica and Pegasus (presumably) when the war broke out. The "bomber" in Season One had to have been active at the same time as his P.R. counterpart.

True but I was referring just to the Colonial military. How many copies of each would be active in the Colonial military at the same?

There is no question that they had several copies of each in different sectors of Colonial society but I would think that it would have been pretty dangerous to have multiple copies in the military even one that was pretty big.

In the original series there were 12 battlestars(1 for each colony), I'm not sure if they said how many were in this one but at least 12, several bases, docks, command centers, etc. Even though the Cylons probably had little control over where their sleepers were assigned, it just seems highly unlikely that 2 would be on 1 battlestar. But like I said this is TV, so ...

Personally, I think Baltar has your basic garden variety multiple personality disorder and "Six" is one of the "alternates." Furthermore, I think one (or more) of Baltar's personalities is directly responsible for the Cylons' "evolution" from Toaster to cybernetic Humanoid. The clues are everywhere ... Mr. Moore has been hitting us over the head with it since the very first scenes of the mini series.

Ooops guess I just spoiled the whole series ;) :D



OK, the above is just speculation :)

True but I was referring just to the Colonial military. How many copies of each would be active in the Colonial military at the same?

There is no question that they had several copies of each in different sectors of Colonial society but I would think that it would have been pretty dangerous to have multiple copies in the military even one that was pretty big.

In the original series there were 12 battlestars(1 for each colony), I'm not sure if they said how many were in this one but at least 12, several bases, docks, command centers, etc. Even though the Cylons probably had little control over where their sleepers were assigned, it just seems highly unlikely that 2 would be on 1 battlestar. But like I said this is TV, so ...

Galactica is one of the 12 Original Battlestars.

In the 2003 Mini Series Movie, when word of the war reaches Galactica, someone reported 1/4 of the fleet destroyed, over 30 Battlestars lost in the opening cylon attack..... So that would put it at aprox 120 Battlestars. I just played the Pilot movie, the part is aprox 50min into the movie.

err, Starbuck shot Apollo. The brother shot Billy (I think, could have been the wife).

v/r,
C-F

Correct, my bad. I guess that I was so tramautized by all that shooting that I lost track of who shot whom. ;)

Correct, my bad. I guess that I was so tramautized by all that shooting that I lost track of who shot whom. ;)


It's a good show, better than most on the air.

I think all the opinions I'm hearing and future speculation by many are spot on and have crossed my mind too. I liked Billy's character and wish they would have done more with him before he was killed. They can still bring him back (tah dah) as a cylon of course. However that would be silly and the podcast lets us know it was so the actor could get bigger and better parts. Dee and Tigh's wife have always been cylon material perhaps. My speculation on Cylon Models based on only 12 line in mini-series.

1. D'Anna Biers (Xena)
2. Doral
3. Leobon
4. Boomer
5. Simon (the doctor from 205)
6. Six
7. Adama? (he survived a massive shooting and wasn't shot in the head by Boomer initially (meaning she didn't want to awaken the sleeper inside Adama))
8. Gaius? (probably not, just a multiple personality/dual identity)
9. Ellen? (Tigh's wife, nuff said)
10. Gaeta? (Very Likely a cylon)
11. Cally?
12. Dee? (Almost certain after this last episode)

I'll be upset if they make either Apollo or Starbuck a cylon in the end.

Who knows?? But the show is getting interesting.

The other cheesy ending I hope they don't go for: Everyone's a Cylon!!! Weehah! And I think the Matrix really destroyed the "history repeating itself infinitely" story structure. *cough*

Our comcast just got UHD temporarily, are the HD eps always this far behind the new ones? They're only on Home Pt 1 I noticed. (still nice to get DD5.1 and HD).

SV

The last episode was a good one. Next week should be good too. I like John Heard as an Actor.

On a side note our comcast in mid Michigan finally got UHD. I actually watched the episode "Home" this weekend in HD...nice!

Well, I finally got to see BG in hi-def thank to Comcast's decision to tease me with UHD for two weeks, and -- wow! So that's what the show really looks like! Who knew the actors and sets weren't all fuzzy and washed out in real life?

Dee and Tigh's wife have always been cylon material perhaps. My speculation on Cylon Models based on only 12 line in mini-series.

1. D'Anna Biers (Xena)
2. Doral
3. Leobon
4. Boomer
5. Simon (the doctor from 205)
6. Six
7. Adama? (he survived a massive shooting and wasn't shot in the head by Boomer initially (meaning she didn't want to awaken the sleeper inside Adama))
8. Gaius? (probably not, just a multiple personality/dual identity)
9. Ellen? (Tigh's wife, nuff said)
10. Gaeta? (Very Likely a cylon)
11. Cally?
12. Dee? (Almost certain after this last episode)

Didn't Adama have Ellen tested when she was first found? It was back in season one. True that it was Baltar doing the testing, but his Cylon detector actually did work at that time. Remember the results when he tested Boomer.... it lit up red like a Christmas tree.
Too bad she wasn't a "collateral" victim last week.. :D

Well, I finally got to see BG in hi-def thank to Comcast's decision to tease me with UHD for two weeks, and -- wow! So that's what the show really looks like! Who knew the actors and sets weren't all fuzzy and washed out in real life?

I agree, I had to force myself not to watch it last night since I am only up to the last two episodes in Season 1 of the DVDs, I already have Season 2 ready to go because I refused to watch it on the Sci-Fi channel because the picture is so crappy, so I recorded it and when I catch up I can watch it in HD.

Does anyone know when Season 2.5 is due on DVD.

yeah, BSG in HD is definitely the way to watch it....Sci-Fi does it a dis-service by displaying it the way they do...

Well, I finally got to see BG in hi-def thank to Comcast's decision to tease me with UHD for two weeks, and -- wow! So that's what the show really looks like! Who knew the actors and sets weren't all fuzzy and washed out in real life?

NO...NO...NO! Say it's not so....We only get UHD for two weeks? Grrr! Well the last time the Olympics were on is when we got NBC-HD for good. I will be really bummed out if they take it away.

NO...NO...NO! Say it's not so....We only get UHD for two weeks? Grrr! Well the last time the Olympics were on is when we got NBC-HD for good. I will be really bummed out if they take it away.

Then write/call/whatever it takes to let your cable operator know you want the channel added permanently. They won't know anyone cares about it if you don't scream loudly and often. They're supposed to take it off here in Charlotte, too, on Feb. 26th. We hope to persuade them to leave it permanently.

Then write/call/whatever it takes to let your cable operator know you want the channel added permanently. They won't know anyone cares about it if you don't scream loudly and often. They're supposed to take it off here in Charlotte, too, on Feb. 26th. We hope to persuade them to leave it permanently.
I thought your cable company, Time-Warner..? already carried UHD in many of it's other markets...or maybe it's another channel...?

I thought your cable company, Time-Warner..? already carried UHD in many of it's other markets...or maybe it's another channel...?

Sadly, that's correct. Many TimeWarner systems, including those in Raleigh and Columbia SC both carry it full-time, but not here, where we have a much larger market than those two. It makes no sense at all. The prime point is: if they can add the dadgum channel for two weeks, they can surely add it permanently.

I have complained...pleaded...sweet talked....grumbled....to Comcast over just about everything. It really falls on deaf ears.

TWC-KC also plans to remove UHD after the two-weeks, returning the HD LOOP channel with non-stop glassblowing and Route 66 reminisces.

v/r,
C-F

TWC-KC also plans to remove UHD after the two-weeks, returning the HD LOOP channel with non-stop glassblowing and Route 66 reminisces.

You mean PBS-HD?

...My speculation on Cylon Models based on only 12 line in mini-series.

1. D'Anna Biers (Xena)
2. Doral
3. Leobon
4. Boomer
5. Simon (the doctor from 205)
6. Six
7. Adama? (he survived a massive shooting and wasn't shot in the head by Boomer initially (meaning she didn't want to awaken the sleeper inside Adama))
8. Gaius? (probably not, just a multiple personality/dual identity)
9. Ellen? (Tigh's wife, nuff said)
10. Gaeta? (Very Likely a cylon)
11. Cally?
12. Dee? (Almost certain after this last episode)...I have to disagree about Adama possibly being a Cylon. All the cylons we've seen thus far are "originals," not copies of real people. Adama has a long history with the fleet and we've seen flashbacks of him and Tigh when they were younger. Since Cylons can't have children, Adama could not have been born as one. All the Six's on the resurrection ship were already the age we know Six as, so unless they made a special attempt to copy a real person, Adama cannot be a Cylon. This means Tight cannot be one either.

The people that knew Boomer only knew here for a few years. It was mentioned by one of the crew that "she had always been a Cylon" so, to me, that means she did not replace the real Boomer, but she is the real Boomer. I'm sure the Cylons are savvy enough to create false identities for their agents.. So Boomer could have went to Caprica to join the fleet saying she was from Colony X, had the documentation to support it, and no one questions is.

So, anyone that anyone else knows from their childhood should be ruled-out as a Cylon.

Given the nature of the military, and the fact (in our military, anyway) that military folks get transferred every few years, and that Galactica has a relatively young crew, that still leaves a lot of room for any of them to be Cylons (They've only been on Galactica for 1-3 years and no one knows them from before.) Gaeta, Cally, and Dee are definitely candidates in this sense. Apollo's not, because Adama knows him from birth. Starbuck -could- be, because we know nothing of here before her academy days, but I agree that either Starbuck or Apollo being cylons would be a bad move.

However, if we ever see a "copy of a real person" Cylon, that theory goes out the door.

EDIT: Post edited to remove all references to weather phenomena ;)

You mean PBS-HD?No, we had an HD-LOOP channel that displays HD 24/7. I am not certain, but I think it is 1080i and 5.1DD. The program was a short Blue Angel segment, a short HD tour of some major US cities, and a short Corvette segment. Lately it has been documentary like with a glass-blowing segment alternating with a segment about Route 66.

Our PBS multicasts...I talked to Mr. Hagg today. From what I understand the format of KCPT DT-18 is now 6pm-6am 19.1 (480p) and 19.2 (PBS HDTV) 720p. 6am-6pm 19.1, 19.2, 19.3 and 19.4 (480p). 19.3 and 19.4 are just screen shots between 6pm -6am. Last weekend showing of glorious PBS 1080i full bandwidth (18-01) is now gone. A victim to the disease of multicasting. The broken dreams of multicasting revenue is destroying wonderful full-bandwidth HDTV. :(v/r,
C-F

Sadly, that's correct. Many TimeWarner systems, including those in Raleigh and Columbia SC both carry it full-time, but not here, where we have a much larger market than those two. It makes no sense at all. The prime point is: if they can add the dadgum channel for two weeks, they can surely add it permanently.
Bizarre, so it wouldn't seem as if bandwidth is the problem. It's a bit similar to Comcast in the SF bay area where much of the rest country has TNT-HD, yet we don't, although the nearest community to have it is Los Angeles, so it's not like it's right next door. I'm pretty much fed up with all the providers(cable and the 2 sats), every one of them having certain issues.

No, we had an HD-LOOP channel that displays HD 24/7.

Sorry, I was being sarcastic and taing a swipe at PBS-HD. Considering its typical programming and the picture quality thereof, I'd rather have your HD-loop channel to watch.

While the cylons are devious, is it reasonable to believe Dualla is one after she talked Adama into reuniting the fleet? And if Gaeta was one, wouldn't he have allowed the firewalls to collapse a little faster when the cylons nearly broke into the briefly networked ship system?

And what's all this talk about cyclones in the fleet? Wouldn't they be called hurricanes, and perhaps tornadoes??? Oh... that's different, never mind.

While the cylons are devious, is it reasonable to believe Dualla is one after she talked Adama into reuniting the fleet? And if Gaeta was one, wouldn't he have allowed the firewalls to collapse a little faster when the cylons nearly broke into the briefly networked ship system?
Boomer nuked a Cylon Basestar before she shot Adama... as she hadn't fully embraced her inner Cylon.

I think sleeper Cylons come in two flavors.

1. Cylons who know they are Cylons and pass themselve off as humans.

2. Cylons that do not know they are Cylons until it is necessary.

All models of Six we've seen, and most of the other Human-looking Cylons are type 1.

Galactica Boomer/Sharon was a type 2, and Caprica Boomer/Sharon was a type 1. Baltar though he (himself) was a type 2 (though, that would make him a type 1, no?) but we all know he's just nutz...

I say the fleets biggest threats are the type 2's.

...And what's all this talk about cyclones in the fleet? Wouldn't they be called hurricanes, and perhaps tornadoes??? Oh... that's different, never mind.

Thanks for the laugh of the day. :D

EDIT: Post edited to remove all references to weather phenomena ;)


But who will get my pun now????? :eek: :eek: :eek:

So of the people who have UHD permanently, are you watching the episodes as they air on UHD, or are you keeping up to date watching it in crap-o-vision on Sci-Fi?

Like others I've got UHD temporarily until the Olympics. The content of the channel other than BS and a handful of other things is pretty bad though. If Comcast picked it up permanantly I'd want to stop watching it on Sci-Fi and catch up on UHD. But I tell ya, that would take some will power.

Many of us watch both.

Six months later, the HD episodes are just as much fun, and a revelation to watch.

Great!:rolleyes: Once more I am treated to Starbuck in command of a squad of Marines. Someone please remind me how much combat training Air Force pilots receive? Having know some Air Force pilots, I don't think I would be following their orders. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but what do I know I only spent six years in the Marines.

Ericglo

Many of us watch both.

Six months later, the HD episodes are just as much fun, and a revelation to watch.

Is it really six months? Man, I would never make it. Hopefully Sci-Fi goes HD sometime. Of course if they did Comcast would never pick it up. :mad:

Great!:rolleyes: Once more I am treated to Starbuck in command of a squad of Marines. Someone please remind me how much combat training Air Force pilots receive? Having know some Air Force pilots, I don't think I would be following their orders. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but what do I know I only spent six years in the Marines.

Ericglo

But, she's a Captain, and as they keep pounding in, she's the best shot in the fleet. So, did She mean to satisfy Apollo's death wish??

Great!:rolleyes: Once more I am treated to Starbuck in command of a squad of Marines. Someone please remind me how much combat training Air Force pilots receive? Having know some Air Force pilots, I don't think I would be following their orders. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but what do I know I only spent six years in the Marines.

Ericglo

It's fiction. As Ron Moore has stated before in his podcasts, yeah, Starbuck and Apollo wouldn't ordinarily be doing these jobs but they are paying these lead actors for something and if they aren't there and they use some generic marines, while it lends to the realism, it detracts your attention in saying..."who are these guys?...I don't care what happens to them" etc. Think of it as your reminder that you are watching TV. It could be 100 percent accurate but then, the actors wouldn't be in many scenes.

So of the people who have UHD permanently, are you watching the episodes as they air on UHD, or are you keeping up to date watching it in crap-o-vision on Sci-Fi?

Like others I've got UHD temporarily until the Olympics. The content of the channel other than BS and a handful of other things is pretty bad though. If Comcast picked it up permanantly I'd want to stop watching it on Sci-Fi and catch up on UHD. But I tell ya, that would take some will power.

I have no will power. I watch the episodes as they air on SciFi using a 36" Sony Wega in the bedroom. The PQ isn't really all that bad on a smaller set.

When Universal HD airs the episodes later, it is back to the 55" Mitsubishi.

But, she's a Captain, and as they keep pounding in, she's the best shot in the fleet. So, did She mean to satisfy Apollo's death wish??

True...however, an Officer is nothing without the Non-Com's. My Father fought in the Big One (WWII) as a Company commander. He told me he depended on his Master Sargent...without him he would have been lost. Seems to me the Marine Sargent would have had allot of training on dealing with that kind of situation...more so then Starbuck.

Great!:rolleyes: Once more I am treated to Starbuck in command of a squad of Marines. Someone please remind me how much combat training Air Force pilots receive? Having know some Air Force pilots, I don't think I would be following their orders. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but what do I know I only spent six years in the Marines.

Ericglo

and this isn't Earth or the United States military...who knows what kind of training the pilots receive...obviously, if they're flying the MarkIIs and MarkIIIs, they have to have some incredible reaction time and be incredibly skilled in hand-eye coordination. Strength would also be neccessary to take all those G forces...so maybe their military is as sub-divided into specific categories...

Even Luke Skywalker was a skilled fighter pilot having only had experience on his "dune buggy". Maybe flying fighters in space just isn't that big a deal, so they select the best Marines to be pilots since that's the point of the spear. :)

I have no will power. I watch the episodes as they air on SciFi using a 36" Sony Wega in the bedroom. The PQ isn't really all that bad on a smaller set.

When Universal HD airs the episodes later, it is back to the 55" Mitsubishi.

I watch them on a 32" Sony Wega and they look like crap. The UHD show looks phenominal.

Even Luke Skywalker was a skilled fighter pilot having only had experience on his "dune buggy". Maybe flying fighters in space just isn't that big a deal, so they select the best Marines to be pilots since that's the point of the spear. :)


yes but the Force was strong with that one.... even his daddy thought so :-)

Great!:rolleyes: Once more I am treated to Starbuck in command of a squad of Marines. Someone please remind me how much combat training Air Force pilots receive? Having know some Air Force pilots, I don't think I would be following their orders. I am sure I will be flamed for this, but what do I know I only spent six years in the Marines.

Ericglo
I did my 4 years in the Corps, too. I say don't overanalyze it and just have fun watching the show! You should know by now that Hollywood has never been able to accurately represent military scenarios. :)

Plus, I think in the context of BSG that starbuck is a naval officer.

Many of us watch both.

Six months later, the HD episodes are just as much fun, and a revelation to watch.

Yeah like before my last post, I'd already forgotten that they'd revealed that Baltar is "just plain nutz," in this Sunday's episode on UHD. I still think he's more responsible for the disaster/Cylon ascendency than has been yet revealed.

I watched "Home" again on UHD (thank goodness for the Olympics - we get 2 eps of BSG in HD, whoo hoo!) and Six was sure trying to get Baltar to think he's nuts, to what end we don't know.

Remember how in the trillium mine episode, he knew exactly where to put the bombs to ensure maximum damage. Now, how did he know that? Seems there have been other instances where he simply couldn't know the finer details of something only a Cylon could know, yet he did.

That being said, do I think he's a Cylon? Nope. I still think he's being influenced by Six in a real, physical sense, but I don't know how...

...and as they keep pounding in, she's the best shot in the fleet. So, did She mean to satisfy Apollo's death wish??I thought Kat is now the best shot in the fleet? Five shots vs. four (?) on the [disorientation machine], as well as the [debatable] take down of SCAR from Starbuck's set-up.

I sort of saw this as a bit of continuing development of the theme about Starbuck losing the edge she has carefully honed -- in line toward her character growing more circumspect and finding a [more sustainable] method of gaining an edge and keeping it long term.

v/r,
C-F

Maybe the ability of fighter jocks to lead ground troops in the series is a more intense version of "every marine a riflemen." Perhaps, before the Cylon attack, all fleet officers began their career in small arms and were versed in small arms tactics. Other then the scene of Starbuck training Lee's brother, we really have seen very little of how these guys were trained.

Many of us watch both.

Six months later, the HD episodes are just as much fun, and a revelation to watch.

I actually synched up "Home p.2" on the DVR (6412) w/my upconverted DVD (Panny s97) and flipped back/forth between the two. this was more a test of upconverted DVD vs. HD but what better test material than BSG?

specs:

display - Samsung HLP6163W
dvd - Panasonic S97S HDMI to display, toslink to avr (yamaha rx-v1500 -> Polk RM-20)
dvr - Motorola 6412 (Comcast in Atlanta) DVI to display, toslink to avr

conclusions:
UHD is better but not by much (maybe 5%)
audio is indistuingisable (no surprise)
didn't realize how much my DVDs black crush (unless it's content/encoding difference) - need to check firmware.

if I were to base a decision solely on this test (I won't) there is NO WAY I would shell out for HD-DVD or blueray (assuming they ~= current HD content). maybe I'll be WOWed if they ever actually ship a player and a movie I care about but this comparison certainly wouldn't loosen my wallet...

I think BSG is shot on 16mm film as opposed to 35mm, is it not? That might account for some of the relative lack of perceived difference between the HD showing and upconverted DVD. While I enjoyed the HD telecast immensely (what a treat!), it didn't knock me out of my chair.

I think BSG is shot on 16mm film as opposed to 35mm, is it not? That might account for some of the relative lack of perceived difference between the HD showing and upconverted DVD. While I enjoyed the HD telecast immensely (what a treat!), it didn't knock me out of my chair.

According to the IMDB techincal specs (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/technical), BS is shot in high definition video. I was trying to find confirmation of this somewhere on the net but couldn't find anything.

It is shot in HD Video. See below, the Sony HDW-F900/3 is a HD video camcorder.

Originally Posted by keenan
The cinematographer is listed as a Stephen McNutt, so if you can find something on him, you might get your answer.


I got the answer from David Mullen at cinematography.com.

This part of the scene had to be shot on film. The Sony HDW-F900/3 they normally use simply can't shoot slow motion. You'll notice that all of the slow motion sequences in this scene have tons more grain and less contrast than the regular motion sequences.

There's even a short part shot on video (as Boomer passes in front of the camera) where they had the actors try to move in slow motion. After you watch it a few times you'll notice that all the actors are moving at different "slow motion" speeds. :eek:

c.,
You are correct on the naval officer ranking. You are also correct on the just enjoy it part as well. What gets me though is why they do it, which has been alluded to. It is supposed to be about saving money. This same belief is why they send the animation to Canada for a lot of episodes. Bring in Zoic or my best friend for the really good stuff. Here is the problem. Why are Dana Delany, Lucy Lawless, and Michele Forbes in guest starring roles? If you are trying to save money, then a female off the street (B-grade pornstar:)) would be cheaper than these three.

Ericglo

c.,
You are correct on the naval officer ranking. You are also correct on the just enjoy it part as well. What gets me though is why they do it, which has been alluded to. It is supposed to be about saving money. This same belief is why they send the animation to Canada for a lot of episodes. Bring in Zoic or my best friend for the really good stuff. Here is the problem. Why are Dana Delany, Lucy Lawless, and Michele Forbes in guest starring roles? If you are trying to save money, then a female off the street (B-grade pornstar:)) would be cheaper than these three.

Ericglo

If you're talking about why they have pilots leading marine commando missions, I don't think that has anything to do with saving money. Maybe I lost you here. The reason they do it is for the sake of fictional drama. When there are certain missions that must be accomplished, it makes more sense from a dramatic POV to have one of the shows lead characters involved, rather than simply introduce a new character to do it. They haven't been able to fit any marine characters into the show, so they have Starbuck or Apollo doing these scenes. It's not realistic, but a totally realistic show may not be as entertaining.

As for the actors... that's one thing they clearly aren't going to go cheap with. They hired Edward James Olmos and Mary McDonnell, two highly respected actors, as the leads. Every actor on the show is very good, so I wouldn't expect to see porn stars making guest appearences any time soon (unless they can act).

I think BSG is shot on 16mm film as opposed to 35mm, is it not? That might account for some of the relative lack of perceived difference between the HD showing and upconverted DVD. While I enjoyed the HD telecast immensely (what a treat!), it didn't knock me out of my chair.It's definitely shot on HD tape, although it's possible some segments are also shot to film.

I finally saw the encore last night and laughed when Adama agreed to the hostage-takers demands. I knew he was going directly to the morgue when he said they could have the cylon body.

I actually synched up "Home p.2" on the DVR (6412) w/my upconverted DVD (Panny s97) and flipped back/forth between the two. this was more a test of upconverted DVD vs. HD but what better test material than BSG?

specs:

display - Samsung HLP6163W
dvd - Panasonic S97S HDMI to display, toslink to avr (yamaha rx-v1500 -> Polk RM-20)
dvr - Motorola 6412 (Comcast in Atlanta) DVI to display, toslink to avr

conclusions:
UHD is better but not by much (maybe 5%)
audio is indistuingisable (no surprise)
didn't realize how much my DVDs black crush (unless it's content/encoding difference) - need to check firmware.

if I were to base a decision solely on this test (I won't) there is NO WAY I would shell out for HD-DVD or blueray (assuming they ~= current HD content). maybe I'll be WOWed if they ever actually ship a player and a movie I care about but this comparison certainly wouldn't loosen my wallet...

no way...I really didn't need to do a comparison to see how far superior the HD picture was compared to the DVDs...and its not even funny how much of a dis-service Sci-Fi does to this show by showing it the way it does...At least when you blow up the DVDs to 92" you can see the flaws in the DVD, its good, its just not even close to the HD feed on UHD

The March schedule for UHD has been posted in another thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=644856). As is pointed out in that thread, UHD will be showing "Resurrection Ship, Part One" the week after "Pegasus" airs.

In other words, we won't be waiting six months for the second half of season two; we'll only have waited two months, or so.


Edited to correct simple arithmetic.

Every actor on the show is very good, so I wouldn't expect to see porn stars making guest appearences any time soon (unless they can act).

So I guess a guest appearence of Tracy Lords is out then? :D

^^ At least she has been learning how to act since she switched to mainstream acting. So you never know. :D

^^ At least she has been learning how to act since she switched to mainstream acting. So you never know. :D

Hmmm, I thought she knew how to act even at a very early age. In fact, I always found her performances worthy of the highest bon...ah, honors. ;) :p

Ahh, granted, she was a good performer, but the acting, was never that strong. She only knew a couple, uhh, lines. By the time she was on First Wave, her acting had gotten better. More then 1 emotion was being displayed. :D

conclusions:
UHD is better but not by much (maybe 5%)
audio is indistuingisable (no surprise)
didn't realize how much my DVDs black crush (unless it's content/encoding difference) - need to check firmware.

if I were to base a decision solely on this test (I won't) there is NO WAY I would shell out for HD-DVD or blueray (assuming they ~= current HD content). maybe I'll be WOWed if they ever actually ship a player and a movie I care about but this comparison certainly wouldn't loosen my wallet...
I have DirecTV UHD for the time being, and even there it looks considerably better than the DVD presentation (sounds the same). My setup consists of:

60" SXRD
HR10-250 DVR via HDMI
LGA-511 upscaling DVD via HDMI

From where I'm sitting it looks outstanding. IMO UHD in general is looking a lot better now that NFL season is over. I would say the DVDs are a 3/5 and the UHD presentation (on DirecTV) is nearly perfect, say 4.5/5. There is still some blocking on fast action scenes that I'm sure wouldn't be there from a better source.

Personally, I will probably buy into the first next-gen optical format to release the BSG series.

According to the IMDB techincal specs BS is shot in high definition video. I was trying to find confirmation of this somewhere on the net but couldn't find anything.

The original 2003 3-hour pilot episode for the new series was shot on film.
The current weekly series is shot in 24p HD video.

They interview the cinematographer in the "Bonus Materials" in one of the season DVD sets. He distinctly mentions the series 24p "film feel" versus the real film used in the pilot episode.
He said there was no way they could have produced a CGI/SE intensive show like BSG and make a new episode on time and on budget with film.

^^ At least she has been learning how to act since she switched to mainstream acting. So you never know. :D

She actually wasn't that bad in TommyKnockers. She could play a decent "Vixen" on BSG.

Back to Cylon suspicions. I have my eye on Dualla as well. I remember a scene in the Ep. Valley of Darkness were the toasters were moving through the ship to the damage control room. They were clearing room after room but for some reason left Dualla alive in one for Apollo to find. Right there I said, she's a Cylon. She is number one on my list for Most Likely Cylon Revalation.

are we sure there are only 12 models.. did ron moore reveal this?? Becasue if all we have to go on is what was shown in the early epsisode then it may all be a rooz!! just food for thought

jim

Back to Cylon suspicions. I have my eye on Dualla as well.
Sofar the female Cylon Fleshbots are lookers, no doghouse models in the lineup.
Best evidence IMO:
Six/Gina/Shelly are hot= Cylon Fleshbot
Boomer/Sharon are hot= Cylon Fleshbot
Zeena is lukewarm= Cylon Fleshbot
Dee is very hot= Cylon Fleshbot ????? :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
I'll keep my eye on her for you guys... Ok :D

c.,
Why are Dana Delany, Lucy Lawless, and Michele Forbes in guest starring roles? If you are trying to save money, then a female off the street (B-grade pornstar:)) would be cheaper than these three.

Ericglo

Yes, but Dana Delany, Lucy Lawless, and Michele Forbes together in grade A porn would be great.

(Ron Moore must have something for MILFy brunettes. As do I.)

They aren't exactly in the prime of their careers anymore. I doubt they were getting all that much more money than a randomly hot guest star.

Dana Delany is still on top of her acting game though, as well as still being a looker. I wish they had "taken her alive" instead of killing her off along with Billy. Perhaps she could have escaped and formed an alliance with Tom Zarak that might have led in some interesting directions.

She also had a shot at 'Desperate Housewives' type fame with the prime-time sudser 'Pasadena' a couple of years back, but it never caught on and was axed early.

are we sure there are only 12 models.. did ron moore reveal this?? Becasue if all we have to go on is what was shown in the early epsisode then it may all be a rooz!! just food for thought

jim

There are only twelve models.

Go review the pilot film...

1) Six herself tells Gaius "There are twelve models, I'm number 6".

2) Near the end, Adama finds a piece of paper with the words "There are twelve models" typed on it.

Dana Delany is still on top of her acting game though, as well as still being a looker. I wish they had "taken her alive" instead of killing her off along with Billy. Perhaps she could have escaped and formed an alliance with Tom Zarak that might have led in some interesting directions.

She also had a shot at 'Desperate Housewives' type fame with the prime-time sudser 'Pasadena' a couple of years back, but it never caught on and was axed early.

She is also guest staring this season on the L-Word and almost got on with Jennifer Beals an episode back but we had to settle for finger sucking.

Have a little sympathy for the toaster. (http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/kropcentonset.jpg)

(work safe)

It's being widely reported that the season finale in a couple of weeks will be a 90 minute episode. Hot diggity!

Have a little sympathy for the toaster. (http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/kropcentonset.jpg)

(work safe)
That's funny. :)

Have a little sympathy for the toaster. (http://www.kropserkel.com/Images/kropcentonset.jpg)
Maybe he can get a little work if they ever do a flashback episode!

"By Your Command!"..........

Tonights episode...was wow

SEASON 1-ESQUE...reminds me why I love BSG...I still have goosebumps

Epic...just plain Epic...

AND THE PREVIEW


WOW HOLY ****........WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

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Well Lee is the bomb. 4 grade promotion (in Total) in under 40 days....
Capt. - Major

35 days later

Major - Cmdr. Skip Lt.Col. & Col.

Wish it worked that way in the US Military! :)

lol go Apollo, another excellent show

What an episode!

7 days until my next fix! Holy cow! Next weeks looks even MORE intense. So much for filler episodes.

Exciting episode... I guess Tigh is not Command worthy ;)

Wish it worked that way in the US Military! :)I kind of hope were are never in the situation where it would... :eek:

v/r,
C-F

Exciting episode... I guess Tigh is not Command worthy ;)I believe that COL Tigh found that he does not want command...

v/r,
C-F

I kind of hope were are never in the situation where it would... :eek:

v/r,
C-F
We probably have been, though. Field promotions are a b*tch, and who knows how many jumps some people made immediately after something like Gettysburg. Heck, think about the sedate pace that a Texas teenager went through in WWII (link here (http://www.audiemurphy.com/statemnt.htm) if you've never seen "To Hell and Back"). One should also mention "brevet" ranks in passing, as well.

Tonights episode...was wow

SEASON 1-ESQUE...reminds me why I love BSG...I still have goosebumps

Epic...just plain Epic...

AND THE PREVIEW


WOW HOLY ****........WOWWWWWWWWWWWWWW

That episode rocked at least 3x as compared to the last two. Katee Sackhoff (starbuck) really pulled off the emotional tension between starbuck and apollo.

Unlike the filler episodes, tonight's short scenes carried so much subtext, and carried it so well. We see Gaius Baltar and his need to feel like he is in the spotlight while we also had:
- his calling out that the cylon's less than human
- while in the background we see how six had been and is still dominating his emotions
- his jumping in with abandon for political risk taking,
- all this while at the outermost layer we have the point about strong religious ideals shaping what is/isn't allowed,
- and how telling zealots what they want to hear is how you gain power

This show rocks. We need the crap filler episodes to give us such dramatic foils for just how good these great episodes are.

The way Dee dropped Billy like a rotten potato,....he probably didn't care if he lived or not.

I thought comparisons to the US military were incorrect. So, which is it?

Ericglo

What I don't understand is that 10 nukes were coming at them ( I think they said 10). You would think just one nuke would finish them off. They do not have shields like in Star Trek to deflect the impacts.

However, all in all...a great episode...next week...will be worth the wait.

Remember, in the mini series, Galatica took a nuke and shruged it off with minimal damage. And could have taken more. The Pegasus is even tougher, so it should be able to take more hits by nukes and keep going without affecting it too much. It took damage, and they will be repairing it for a while, but it is still effective.
If you don't have shields, build tougher armour! :)

The way Dee dropped Billy like a rotten potato,....he probably didn't care if he lived or not.

I'm assuming you meant, "she probably" but remember, a month has gone by....its not like this happens the next day...she obviously did care for him by the way she acted when he got shot....but in this extreme life (as Baltar so eloquently put it), you have to live...and not be reminded by death everyday or else you won't surivive. She is merely going on with her life and continue the relationship with Lee unhindered by the guilt of lying to Billy.

What I don't understand is that 10 nukes were coming at them ( I think they said 10). You would think just one nuke would finish them off. They do not have shields like in Star Trek to deflect the impacts.

Pfft who needs shields when they have ultra-strong lead armor? Shields are for writers who can't think of anything creative to come up with :)