They'll add some stupid kid - just like the dork on Surface - then give him something idiotic like a robotic dog . ;)

They added the kid already, just never developed the character.

Remember the mini-series? Boomer picks up a small boy, named Boxey and took him with her to the Presidents ship.

They made it look like Boomer was going to take care of him in future episodes, but deleted some scenes in season 1 with the kid and have basically dropped him. I think he was in 1 episode in Season 1.

Exactly. Look what happened to the original. In the interest of trying to draw in more vieweres, they changed most of the show. Only 2 original characters remained, Cmdr Adama and Boomer, in that show called Galatica 80.

We shall not discuss what was the abomination that was Galactica 1980. :eek:

The biggest problem with Galactica 1980 was the queer looking "motorcycles" and goofy helmets. It gave you the feeling that if the cylons attacked, you'd rather have the fate of the Earth resting in the hands of a group of Hell's Angels than the Earth-based crew of the Galactica.

Galactica 1980 compared to the original few episodes of Battlestar Galactica in the same way the Planet of the Apes TV show compared to the original movie.

<10 hours!!!!!!!!!!!

Just a reminder that although all three SciFi Friday shows have their finale tonight - the new Dr. Who starts next Friday at 9pm. It looks like a very cool adaptation of the original.

Ron Moore commentary for tonights episode
is available at http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/

I usually watch it the first time without the commentary and then watch again with the commentary playing. Its really interesting, although I wish Moore would get his wife out of the room when he tapes it.

The biggest problem with Galactica 1980 was the queer looking "motorcycles" and goofy helmets. It gave you the feeling that if the cylons attacked, you'd rather have the fate of the Earth resting in the hands of a group of Hell's Angels than the Earth-based crew of the Galactica.

Galactica 1980 compared to the original few episodes of Battlestar Galactica in the same way the Planet of the Apes TV show compared to the original movie.

Don't forget their "super powers". :confused:


petergaryr - That was the main thing. The other, was they started to introduce humanoid cylons.

Ron Moore commentary for tonights episode
is available at http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/

I usually watch it the first time without the commentary and then watch again with the commentary playing. Its really interesting, although I wish Moore would get his wife out of the room when he tapes it.

I usually listen first, that way I have some background as to why they did things the way the did.

I actually got a kick out of his wife in 219.

Well it was funny when her AOL mail chimed in.

Holy frak, I can't believe what they showed blowing up on the precap!

What a way to go out....

Well baltar frakd up....geez like nobody knew the cylons would not come over

I have goosebumps. That was by far the most incredible 90 minutes of TV I've ever seen....Around 11PM, I just couldn't stop saying "Are you f**king kidding me?" And I probably said it like 500 times...

Moore is a genius...genius...wow....seriously wow...

Best Show on TV.

Goosebumps. wow.

october.. nuts...

what a great episode.. moved kinda quick though.. they could have done another 1/2 hour to make it a 2 hour finale.. man.. where do they go from here..

Yea man I never suspected that ending

october.. nuts...

what a great episode.. moved kinda quick though.. they could have done another 1/2 hour to make it a 2 hour finale.. man.. where do they go from here..
well baltar gets cozy with the caprica 6 and fleet has to come and rescue everyone, starbuck opens a coffee shop after her boy dies of pneumonia and on......

Does anybody else get the idea that the whole episode after Baltar wins the election is a dream? He did fall asleep at his desk.
And.... it really seems more like someone's nightmare.

Does anybody else get the idea that the whole episode after Baltar wins the election is a dream? He did fall asleep at his desk.
And.... it really seems more like someone's nightmare.

God, I hope not. That would be nothing more than a cliched stunt. If you're going to do this kind of shocking shift in the show, then you'd better make it real.

I'm really curious what is was that Starbuck did to Apollo.

I'm really curious what is was that Starbuck did to Apollo.
She practically fracked Anders right in front of Lee, really low blow! :mad:

My DVR cut off, can someone recap the last 2 minutes or so? The last I saw was the male Cylon telling them they detected the nuclear explosion...

My DVR cut off, can someone recap the last 2 minutes or so? The last I saw was the male Cylon telling them they detected the nuclear explosion...
Baltar surrendered as the president of the twelve coloinies.
Then cut to a scene of row after row of toasters marching down the main street of the settelment. Just watch any WWII film of the invasion of Paris... basically the same scene.
The ships of the fleet jumped away.
Starbuck, Tigh, The Chief, Calie, and most of the civilian population are stranded on the surface,
Then I think it was Helo who asked Starbuck what do the do now... and she said "same as always...We fight them till we can't fight any more".... then fade to black......

No need for spoiler tags once it has aired.

Baltar surrendered as the president of the twelve coloinies, then they cut to a scene of row after row of toasters marching down the main street of the settelment. Just watch any WWII film of the invasion of France... basically the same scene.
The ships of the fleet jumped away.
Starbuck, Tigh, The Chief, Calie, and most of the civilian population are stranded on the surface, Then I think it was Helo who asked Starbuck what do the do now... and she said "same as always...We fight them till we can't fight any more".... then fade to black......
Thanks!

I'm in a state of shock. No wonder the new season is delayed to October. The writers have really given themselves some work to do. I am still just floored. Can you get PTSD from a TV show?

Does anybody else get the idea that the whole episode after Baltar wins the election is a dream? He did fall asleep at his desk.
And.... it really seems more like someone's nightmare.

That would be more of a possibility if everything after he woke up was from Baltars perspective. But it wasn't so, no, I doubt they open the next season with a great big "Nevermind."

Then it must suck to be down on "New Caprica" right now!!
The Cylons are going to enslave the humans and make them give lube jobs and oil baths to the toaster models.
Damn!!!! there goes the planet......... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

Does anybody else get the idea that the whole episode after Baltar wins the election is a dream? He did fall asleep at his desk.
And.... it really seems more like someone's nightmare.

This is what I was thinking for the last half of the episode. They jumped over too much time too quickly. He wakes up and decides not to take the presidency.

Does anybody else get the idea that the whole episode after Baltar wins the election is a dream? He did fall asleep at his desk.
And.... it really seems more like someone's nightmare.
I couldn't help but think the same thing, it just didn't feel right, something was off about it. Did Adama ever smoke cigarettes before...? It seems that everything got pretty lax and I can't see Adama letting that happen...and what happened to Cylon-Boomer..?

It is a great way to bring folks back to the show in October, but personally, I don't think they needed to go to this extent to do that, the show has a great following already. It wouldn't surprise me if the first section of episodes next season are back-stories on on they got to the point they are now, if it is really where they are..

I really doubt it's a dream. The writers are too smart, they know that the audience would feel insulted by that. Ever since they used it on that primetime soap back in the 80's to back out of killing off a popular character... I think it was Dynasty or Dallas or something... the dream stunt has been a trademark of cheap, cop out writing. I know these writers are pretty good but I don't see how they can pull it off. The only time I can think about that actually working was "Mulholland Drive", and that only worked because it left it up to the audience to figure it out.

I think this feeling that it was "off" was just because the story made a huge transition, not because it was a dream. We'd been on Galactica since the beginning of the series and all of the sudden the story has switched to a different time and setting and almost all the characters are doing something different with their lives. It would have been almost impossible for the writers to make the transition as quickly as they did without it feeling a little disorienting.

Then I think it was Helo who asked Starbuck what do the do now... and she said "same as always...We fight them till we can't fight any more".... then fade to black......
It was Chief Tyrol, er, um, Union President Tyrol. Wow. Just wow.

Of course, I'm interested in how Dualla went from a PO2 to a Lieutenant, but hey, that's what backstory is for. BTW, Helo was on the Galactica bridge in what looked to be a TAO type chair (it did not look like Gaeta's old seat, but it could have been).

Later,
Bill

Man. I am freeeeeeaking. That was incredible. And every episode of this show should be 90 minutes :)

Then it must suck to be down on "New Caprica" right now!!
The Cylons are going to enslave the humans and make them give lube jobs and oil baths to the toaster models.
Damn!!!! there goes the planet......... :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

It didn't look like it was much of a party before they showed up, either. Bad weather. No apparent agriculture going on. More like the situation on Jeremiah than some nice neat terraformed Star Trek colony.

I agree with those who don't think it's a dream. I think they are really doing this. Hardly any of it -- just the beginning and the end -- was in Baltar's POV, and touched on things he wouldn't know or care about. That is such a *huge* cheat that I don't think RDM would do it.

And I think something way more serious than what we saw in the wardroom went down between Lee and Kara. That was Kara being Kara when she was drunk. Something far worse happened, and it was very, very ugly. Call it woman's intuition if you want :)

Between this show and some others, we're in a new golden age of TV right now. I don't know how long it's going to last, but I'm going to enjoy it while it does.

If its a dream, I'm not going to watch another episode...I can't see them doing that. They even had #6's voiceover of what the future held. I think this new Cylon stronghold is real.

I'm honestly still so shocked about how the episode was structured. Beautifully shocking...yeah tahts a good way to put it.

So many questions to ask, and I don't remember any of them...

I cannot wait till October...that seems so very far off...

And we still don't know how many other Cylon models?

argg......*brain fried*-*going to bed*

I agree this was a great episode, IF it wasn't a Baltar dream sequence and I don't believe it is.

I think Roslin's instincts are right: when you find a Cylon, toss it out the airlock.

Assuming things are as presented, it provides the series with what it needs for sustaining power. The original series got old quickly with the endless Cylons chasing Galactica theme.

This provides a great opportunity for dealing with Cylon occupied New Caprica, the return of Galactica and Pegasus to liberate it, a resistance movement, etc. Best surprise since Alias rebooted its series concept (though unfortunately with that series, things went downhill from there).

Bravo to the producers for a daring twist in a series that was working.

...Helo was on the Galactica bridge in what looked to be a TAO type chair (it did not look like Gaeta's old seat, but it could have been).

Good, "Lt." Gaeta went from being a snitch to being discharged to President's Baltar liason. Poor schmuck is just a civilian now stuck in that SH called New Cap with Cylons. Happy greasing.

Other than that, I was just glued to 90mins of tonight's Tivo'd show. WOW, I don't know how I can ever go back to Star Trek ever again. It's like comparing Batman Begins to the first three movies.

So, we all have to wait until Oct. to get the goods, eh? Until then:

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1. Like Whitearrow said, there was something more to Lee vs. Kara. Something big and public enough for even Col. Tigh to know about.

2. What did they do with Helo's Sharon?

3. Is the Cylon revolution real? Witness that Cylon "heroes" No. 6 and Sharon are still alive and are lead reps. at the end of the show. How did they stay alive after they killed D'Anna on Caprica; wouldn't D'Anna's memory upload to the mainframe and reveal them?

4. Are those people for real for "colonizing" New Cap? Look at what they're living in. Tents with no heating. It's like a refugee camp. After a year, I would imagine the warmth and protection of the ships would be more agreeable that those living conditions.

5. I really also hope it's not a dream sequence. But I do 2nd takes because even as delusional as Baltar can be, would he really drown himself for 12 mos. in debauchery and be that incompetent? If so, would the people even stand for that?

6. Who's the guy towards the end looking for Kara? A Cylon? A marine sent by Lee before the jump? A mercenary?

7. What's the Cylon's plan now? Annihilate? Farm the humans? Search for the HYBRID baby, which as you've seen is in the camp with her mother?
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I'm sure there are more questions but I'm just so wired after watching that episode. Damn myself for watching it at 1 in the morning.

And I think something way more serious than what we saw in the wardroom went down between Lee and Kara. That was Kara being Kara when she was drunk. Something far worse happened, and it was very, very ugly. Call it woman's intuition if you want

Oh, definitely. That's not the bad blood. That would have pissed off Lee for a couple of days, tops. Something really ugly happened that we don't know about.

Topic title edited.

"It's like a refugee camp. "

Well of course it is. Its not just "like" a refugee camp, it is a refugee camp. After all they are all refugees of the Cylon Tyranny living in a makeshift camp.

So it looks like next season is going to be a combination of human resistance, cylon revolt, and Galactica liberation. Ron Moore said in the podcast for last episode that the writing was going to take a very risking turn. And indeed, they have taken big chance here. If they don't write this just right next year, it will all get very stupid, very fast.

I'll be listening to the podcast later. Hopefully it will have some insight.

Topic title edited.

Why did you do that Ken? This is the discussion for the SCIFI channel airings. UHD is several episodes behind and so this thread has major spoilers. I beleive there is a seperate thread for those just watching on UHD. You should change the title back to SCIFI.

Dean Stockwell is just perfect as the newest Cylon model!
Great casting.... he's just being himself.

Dean as a exposed Cylon agent:
“Well, this is an awkward moment. Yes, he's right.... I'm a Cylon... and I have a message.
So..... take me to your leader!”
Priceless!! :D

On the Kara/Lee thing I think it was the way Kara cracked on Dualla.

Kara told Lee that he needed to get a girl. Lee said he is doing okay in that department. Kara said something sort of like "You mean Dualla, BWHAHAHAHAHA"

I know I'd be pretty POed if somebody denigrated my wife like that.

I could not watch any of it. My comcast here in Richmond, Va just pixelated out from about 8:30 pm till way after midnight.

You guys are lucky...

Like a certain rotund character said on another show most of us are fond of: "Didn't see that one comin', huh?" Well, I guess anyone who felt the show wasn't moving fast enough doesn't have that complaint any longer.

Good grief. Oh my. Wow. How far away is October? Frack!

On the Kara/Lee thing I think it was the way Kara cracked on Dualla.

Kara told Lee that he needed to get a girl. Lee said he is doing okay in that department. Kara said something sort of like "You mean Dualla, BWHAHAHAHAHA"

I know I'd be pretty POed if somebody denigrated my wife like that.

Dualla is Lee's wife. She was fiddling with her wedding band while looking at the Dratus screen.

I thought it was terrible. I for one will not be returning in October. Season 2 was a big letdown over the first season. I'm not surprised the show has faltered in the ratings.

I thought it was terrible. I for one will not be returning in October. Season 2 was a big letdown over the first season. I'm not surprised the show has faltered in the ratings.

I think you are in a very small minority. This new turn of events offers many opportunities that can't be explored by another season of "space chase". I'll have to see where they go from here, but I'm as hooked as ever for the next episodes.

Advancing the plot too fast can be a bad sign for a show, but in this case, it only serves to widen the potential storyline without getting them any closer to Earth.

I really enjoyed it... the last 30 minutes certainly mixed things up... too bad Baltar was not visiting Gina when the nuke went off. :D

I think you are in a very small minority. This new turn of events offers many opportunities that can't be explored by another season of "space chase". I'll have to see where they go from here, but I'm as hooked as ever for the next episodes.

Advancing the plot too fast can be a bad sign for a show, but in this case, it only serves to widen the potential storyline without getting them any closer to Earth.
Considering the show has gone from a 2.6 for it's season 2 premiere to a 1.7 in the past weeks, I don't think I am in the minority.

Dualla is Lee's wife. She was fiddling with her wedding band while looking at the Dratus screen.Good catch. I didn't notice that.

One thing I liked about the final scene is when the cylons tells Baltar that they discovered them by picking up a radiation trail from Gina blowing up the Cloud 9. The look on Baltar's face was great as he realized he has screwed mankind for a 2nd time since he is the one that gave Gina the nuke.

Considering the show has gone from a 2.6 for it's season 2 premiere to a 1.7 in the past weeks, I don't think I am in the minority.

Ignoring the reality that premieres typically have a boost in ratings, you'd still be in the minority since even using your numbers, BSG has retained 65% of its viewers. But you can't evaluate ratings that way, otherwise you could just as easily say that if ratings go up for the finale last night, then all regular viewers were happy with the show - plus they picked up new viewers.

Wasn't this the 1st episode that had all 3 Sixs in it? Tricia Helfer got major screen time in 3 roles. The Six in Baltar's mind, Caprica Six Release 2.0, and the Pegasus Six.
A definite 666 episode.

Well I am going to enjoy the ride. I remember people trashing Babylon 5 at first. We have seen so many of the same old story lines over the years with any type of show it is nice to see something compleatly different.

I read on the SCI-FI BBoards that season 3 will be 5 years in the future from now. That would bring the Hybred Baby to 5-6 years old.

I am enjoying this show...no matter where it goes. It is still the best "Story" on Television today.

wait are you guys discussing the SciFi eps or UHD eps, because you seem to be ahead of me. the last ep I saw was the one where they ran into Ensign Ro and the frak hit the fan.

5. I really also hope it's not a dream sequence. But I do 2nd takes because even as delusional as Baltar can be, would he really drown himself for 12 mos. in debauchery and be that incompetent? If so, would the people even stand for that?That's the one plot point that seemed to be out of place for me, too. I guess they might justify it with the idea that he was so traumatized by the way Gina the Cylon betrayed him that he lost his self-worth and sense of purpose.

6. Who's the guy towards the end looking for Kara? A Cylon? A marine sent by Lee before the jump? A mercenary?That was the first humanoid Cylon model that the Galacticans ever discovered. I think it was in the mini-series when old man Adama encountered one version, then there was the version that Starbuck was sent to interrogate in season 1, and I'm pretty sure we saw him on Caprica in season 2.

7. What's the Cylon's plan now? Annihilate? Farm the humans? Search for the HYBRID baby, which as you've seen is in the camp with her mother?The voice-over at the end sort of laid out the plan, I think. To me, it sounds like a sort of apartheid arrangement, where Cylons play the role of "benevolent" dictators and live "side-by-side" with the humans. They haven't given us any indication the Cylons are aware that the hybrid survived

I thought it was terrible. I for one will not be returning in October. Season 2 was a big letdown over the first season. I'm not surprised the show has faltered in the ratings.

Were you watching the same episode as the rest of us? Maybe you fell asleep from 10:45 to 11:30. You are in fact in the minority and seriously don't try to rationalize this away with ratings. The episode last night proved that the writers have the skill to completely (and I mean completely) change and alter the story in such a shocking way, and still keep cohesion and consistancy. I mean, EVERYTHING CHANGED in a matter of a second. And yet, the main plot line still is present (the survival of the human race, whether from the Cylons, or from themselves). I have never seen such a season finale (with the rare exception of the Series Finale for Six Feet Under), that was so incredibly excting, dynamic, shocking and one that just left you begging for more.

October cannot come soon enough...and hopefully we'll witness Season 3.0 in the glorious high-definition

wait are you guys discussing the SciFi eps or UHD eps, because you seem to be ahead of me. the last ep I saw was the one where they ran into Ensign Ro and the frak hit the fan.
This thread is discussing the most recently aired episodes on SciFi which just concluded the second part of season 2 last night, known as Season 2.5. Currently airing on UniversalHD is the first part of season 2 known as Season 2.0.

I'm am not sure why CPanther95 added the Universal HD part to the thread title when Season 2.5 started on SciFi. And now Ken has left just the Universal 2.5 part in the title, which for folks watching 2.5 on Universal HD(whenever it airs) will be in the midst of major spoilers since 2.5 has been already discussed in detail in this thread.

The title of this thread should read BG Season 2.5 on SciFi. There should be another thread for BG Season 2.5 on Universal HD as those episodes have yet to air.

I think when Universal HD started airing the first part of Season 2.0 while SciFi was airing Season 2.5 is when Panther changed the title.

Theoretically, this thread should not be in this forum, it should be in the Cable, Digital Cable - Non-HDTV Forum, and in fact, I believe there is a current thread in that forum but there has not been too much activity in it.

Since this thread is mixed now my suggestion would be to move it to the other forum and create another in this forum for BG on Universal-HD for Season 2.5, and make it clear in the title that discussion of Season 3.0 on SciFi due in October is not to be discussed here. But that's entirely up to the mods.

It's confusing, what happened was that the folks who regularly posted to this thread, which was originally for airings on Universal-HD only, started to watch the show on SciFi because we didn't want to wait to see the story before it came to Uni-HD, and consequently, started posting in this thread as at the time there were no airings on Uni-HD. In essence, the Uni-HD watchers became SciFi watchers and took over this thread.

I hope that makes sense..

That was the first humanoid Cylon model that the Galacticans ever discovered. I think it was in the mini-series when old man Adama encountered one version, then there was the version that Starbuck was sent to interrogate in season 1, and I'm pretty sure we saw him on Caprica in season 2.


I don't think we've seen him since the mini-series. All the rest have reappeared, I was worried that the actor was unavailable. Glad he's back.

Incidentally, do you any of you know if UHD plans to simulcast the Sci-Fi feed? Or if there is some other way to get the best show on TV in HD when it airs? This is so retarded watching low-def for such a beautiful work of art.

EDITS: That's right, he was in season 1 too. Also, I read more of the thread, would be glad to see BSG on NBC if it means the same show in HD. It must be torture for the creators to make such a show that when aired for the first time can only be viewed as a 1996 Quicktime.

That's the one plot point that seemed to be out of place for me, too. I guess they might justify it with the idea that he was so traumatized by the way Gina the Cylon betrayed him that he lost his self-worth and sense of purpose.

Yup...but the question was, did the Pegasus#6 KNOW that by setting off the nuke, the cylons would able to find the fleet? Was it all planned from the get-go?

That was the first humanoid Cylon model that the Galacticans ever discovered. I think it was in the mini-series when old man Adama encountered one version, then there was the version that Starbuck was sent to interrogate in season 1, and I'm pretty sure we saw him on Caprica in season 2.

Leoben Conoy (IMDB Link (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0719678/)) I'm pretty sure they called him the profit in "Flesh and Bone" (Season 1 episode 8) where Starbuck interrogates him and Rosalin sends him out the airlock.


The voice-over at the end sort of laid out the plan, I think. To me, it sounds like a sort of apartheid arrangement, where Cylons play the role of "benevolent" dictators and live "side-by-side" with the humans. They haven't given us any indication the Cylons are aware that the hybrid survived

A peaceful situation ruled by a dictatorship and strength over their captures. I fear this will be no match-made in heaven. Obviously the Cylons have EVOLVED, considering they have pretty much dropped all forms of religion and are now on their own path. Honestly, it could go anywhere...but I don't see peace anywhere in the near future.

Besides the sheer excitement of it, I love the critique of religion and the recent US politics. The show is very Roddenberry-esque in dealing with Abu Ghraib/Gitmo, fixed elections, abortion, and "I don't have to listen, I'm the president."

I'm am not sure why CPanther95 added the Universal HD part to the thread title when Season 2.5 started on SciFi. And now Ken has left just the Universal 2.5 part in the title, which for folks watching 2.5 on Universal HD(whenever it airs) will be in the midst of major spoilers since 2.5 has been already discussed in detail in this thread.

You hit the nail on the head. SciFi channel threads belong in the non-HDTV forum. Since it eventually airs on UHD, that was added to keep it topical in the HDTV forum. You're right, this should probably be moved over there, but then again, we could change the title to "Season 3 discussion" and keep it here. ;)

I believe there is still a thread for UHD "No SciFi spoilers please" though, so I'm not sure if this thread was actually hijacked, or if the bulk of the discussion just switched threads. I don't see any posts from me early in this thread and I waited for UHD to watch Season 1, so this may have always been the "SciFi" discussion thread.

I also thought that it was being aired in the UK or Canada in HD approximately on the same schedule as the SciFi SD airings here in the states. That may have also contributed to the need for a thread prior to the very delayed UHD airings. If someone is familiar with the non-US HD airings, please post here and we'll use that network (Sky TV ?) for the title of this thread and it would remain appropriate in the HDTV forum.

Since I'm subscribed to it with email notification, as I imagine most of us are, it doesn't really matter to me where in the thread it is, but to those who are watching on Uni-HD exclusively, coming to this thread would be a major bummer.

But changing the title to Season 3.0 works for me too.. :p

I thought it was terrible. I for one will not be returning in October. Season 2 was a big letdown over the first season. I'm not surprised the show has faltered in the ratings.
This is the stupidest comment I have ever read on the Internet.

If it's so bad, why did you even waste time posting about it?

Your comment is so stupid, in fact, that you are now on my Ignore list, troll...

~Dan

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The title of this thread should read BG Season 2.5 on SciFi. There should be another thread for BG Season 2.5 on Universal HD as those episodes have yet to air.

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It's confusing, what happened was that the folks who regularly posted to this thread, which was originally for airings on Universal-HD only, started to watch the show on SciFi because we didn't want to wait to see the story before it came to Uni-HD, and consequently, started posting in this thread as at the time there were no airings on Uni-HD. In essence, the Uni-HD watchers became SciFi watchers and took over this thread.

Technically, this thread does belong here, because this is an HDTV show, it's just not broadcast on an HD network just yet...

I sure hope UHD shows season 2.5 before October!

~Dan

That was the first humanoid Cylon model that the Galacticans ever discovered. I think it was in the mini-series when old man Adama encountered one version, then there was the version that Starbuck was sent to interrogate in season 1, and I'm pretty sure we saw him on Caprica in season 2.

The voice-over at the end sort of laid out the plan, I think. To me, it sounds like a sort of apartheid arrangement, where Cylons play the role of "benevolent" dictators and live "side-by-side" with the humans...

Good catch and good point, tbb1226! That answers #5 & %7 for me!

The voice-over at the end sort of laid out the plan, I think. To me, it sounds like a sort of apartheid arrangement, where Cylons play the role of "benevolent" dictators and live "side-by-side" with the humans. They haven't given us any indication the Cylons are aware that the hybrid survived

Er, I got the feeling the cylons intend to integrate the human and cylon races...that means more hybrid babies... :eek:

~Dan

Changed the title to "SciFi" and moved this discussion to the non-HDTV forum to avoid confusion.

Best surprise since Alias rebooted its series concept (though unfortunately with that series, things went downhill from there).



Which reboot do you mean? there have been too many :-)

I also thought that it was being aired in the UK or Canada in HD approximately on the same schedule as the SciFi SD airings here in the states. That may have also contributed to the need for a thread prior to the very delayed UHD airings. If someone is familiar with the non-US HD airings, please post here and we'll use that network (Sky TV ?) for the title of this thread and it would remain appropriate in the HDTV forum.Season 1 was actually aired on the British Sky One satellite service some months before it began to air on SciFi. Given the last episode in their online Episode Guide (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgeepisodes.aspx?pid=3&eid=430) (#2.15, "Scar"), they seem to be 5 episodes behind.

Due to conflicts with other things that I'm recording, I chose to record the second airing of last night's episode at 1:30 AM Pacific. For whatever reason, it started two minutes late--my recording starts with the end of Stargate: Atlantis. I therefore missed the very end of it. My recording ends where the three Cylons, Six, Sharon and Doral, walk into Baltar's office and Baltar stands up and says "I am Gaius Baltar". What happens after that?

...Obviously the Cylons have EVOLVED, considering they have pretty much dropped all forms of religion and are now on their own path.


I don't think all Cylons have abandoned their religion. The Dean Stockwell character was an atheistic priest when he counseled Chief Tyrol. I expect the other cylons have retained their religious beliefs.

This was a great season finale.


I sure hope UHD shows season 2.5 before October!

UHD is airing the episodes without interruption. Season 2.5 begins tomorrow night with "Resurrection Ship."


Edited to correct spelling of the chief's name.

WOW! There had been mention of a twist in time but I can see endless possibilities here.

Baltar's relationship with the real 6 and the one in his head.....

Boomer-Tyrol-Callie Do you think that Boomer might be a little pissed that Tyrol knocked up the girl that killed her.....

Got to love Dean Stockwell as a Cylon!!! I guess this opens the door for a older female Cylon with I suppose Ellen Tigh(ET) as a prime candidate.

I guess the Cylons will try to establish a "benevolent occupation" probably having some sort of terra forming to help with the weather, food, lots of sex, etc.

As in every occupation there will be a resistance and as always there will be collaborators. The people who cooperate with the Cylons will of course have to answer for their actions if there is a rescue.

This is the stupidest comment I have ever read on the Internet.

If it's so bad, why did you even waste time posting about it?

Your comment is so stupid, in fact, that you are now on my Ignore list, troll...

~Dan
Ok, thanks? lol

I really, really enjoyed the mini-series and season 1. To me, Season 2 has just been one big letdown. And the finale was, in my opinion, weak and disappointing.

The writers basically wrote a story that would reset everything back to the beginning. Season 3 will now be about fleshing out the 379 days we haven't seen and once again dealing with an occupation.

Sorry, that just doesn't interest me. It may be a stupid comment in your opinion, but it's MY opinion. You don't need to accuse me of being a troll just because I stated something that you don't like.

Changed the title to "SciFi" and moved this discussion to the non-HDTV forum to avoid confusion.
Thanks...

I also thought that it was being aired in the UK or Canada in HD approximately on the same schedule as the SciFi SD airings here in the states. That may have also contributed to the need for a thread prior to the very delayed UHD airings. If someone is familiar with the non-US HD airings, please post here and we'll use that network (Sky TV ?) for the title of this thread and it would remain appropriate in the HDTV forum.

That's what I would prefer. :) I never come to this Forum, and would hate to have to add another forum to my favorites just for this thread. This is the most "active" and up-to-date BSG thread on AVS. People are used to finding it in the HDTV Programing Forum so it might be nice if we could get it moved back over there.

UHD is airing the episodes without interruption. Season 2.5 begins tomorrow night with "Resurrection Ship."A minor point, but if I'm not mistaken, "Resurrection Ship" was a two-parter that connected Seasons 2.0 and 2.5. I think the March 12 part 1 was the last episode of S2.0, and the March 19 part 2 begins S2.5.

I got a feeling the cylons know of the baby or else why did they show up one year later, if not to monitor the baby's progress. or they had a cylon civil war and decided to be evil machines, but do they really need a jiffy lube run by humans why not exterminate and be done with the threat machine logic.

I think they want to sex up survivors and have cylon mulatto baby's.

Either way they got a lot of ways to write it. Is it October yet!

I loved the message the Quantum Leap cylon gave. "We shouldn't have killed you and stole your planet, sorry." :)

Was there anything really wrong with having this thread back in the programming forum? It all worked great for over a year and then title gets changed, people get confused and the thread gets moved. Why couldn't Ken just leave the title alone since it was all working just fine as it was.

Season 1 was actually aired on the British Sky One satellite service some months before it began to air on SciFi. Given the last episode in their online Episode Guide (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgeepisodes.aspx?pid=3&eid=430) (#2.15, "Scar"), they seem to be 5 episodes behind.

That's what I saw when I checked their website. They were early on season 1 and behind now.

Isn't a Canadian channel airing SG Atlantis in HD at about the same time as the SciFi showings? Are they not doing the same thing with BSG?

A minor point, but if I'm not mistaken, "Resurrection Ship" was a two-parter that connected Seasons 2.0 and 2.5. I think the March 12 part 1 was the last episode of S2.0, and the March 19 part 2 begins S2.5.You're mistaken. "Resurrection Ship: Part 1" aired on January 6th, with Part 2 airing on January 13th--they were episodes #2.11 and #2.12. The last episode of "Season 2.0", "Pegasus", aired on 23 September 2005.

See the episode list at IMDb, here (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0407362/episodes#season-2).

Was there anything really wrong with having this thread back in the programming forum? It all worked great for over a year and then title gets changed, people get confused and the thread gets moved. Why couldn't Ken just leave the title alone since it was all working just fine as it was.

I agree. Sometimes they over "tweak" here.


I loved the message the Quantum Leap cylon gave. "We shouldn't have killed you and stole your planet, sorry."

He stole ever scene he was in. A Cylon with a sense of humor.

I read on the SCI-FI BBoards that season 3 will be 5 years in the future from now. That would bring the Hybred Baby to 5-6 years old.

LOL! This is someone on the sci-fi board taking something said in the podcast way too seriously. They were kidding, which is pretty clear when you listen to it. From other things they said, it definitely seems like they'll be picking up season 3 where we left off season 2.

They were also kidding when they said they were replacing EJO with an animated Adama, although some people seem to have deduced from that that EJO is not returning.

There are a lot of people on the Sci-Fi boards who, um, shouldn't really have what they say taken at face value.

That's what I would prefer. :) I never come to this Forum, and would hate to have to add another forum to my favorites just for this thread. This is the most "active" and up-to-date BSG thread on AVS. People are used to finding it in the HDTV Programing Forum so it might be nice if we could get it moved back over there.
Just use the email notification feature, half the time I don't even know what forum I'm in.. :p

I agree. Sometimes they over "tweak" here.




He stole ever scene he was in. A Cylon with a sense of humor.

Dean Stockwell and the doctor come out with some great oneliners.

I agree. Sometimes they over "tweak" here.


This one was borderline, but if we make an exception for BSG, every SD program will get a thread started in the HD Programming forum.



He stole ever scene he was in. A Cylon with a sense of humor.

Even the subtle "oh" when he saw the other like-model in custody cracked me up.

You're mistaken.So I am. Sorry, I mis-counted I guess. I was (falsely) certain that they had eleven episodes in season 2.0.

Well, you know what that means, out the airlock you go.... :eek: :p

Got to love Dean Stockwell as a Cylon!!!
... Quantum Leap cylon ...
I also think Al makes an excellent cylon. Speaking of Quantum Leap, I recently learned that there will be a new Quantum Leap series on Sci-Fi that takes place twenty years after the end of the original series. I am a fan of the original and look forward to this new series, described here (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Bold_Leap_Forward).

The BG season finale really blew me away, with the cylons leaving the colonies, the election result and especially the leap forward one year. The one thing I noticed that I haven't seen discussed is the lack of progress by the humans developing a permanent settlement on New Caprica after one year had passed. It reminded me of an army camp, lacking any permanent structures or plumbing/sewers. If I were there, I would have stayed on my ship.

UHD is airing the episodes without interruption. Season 2.5 begins tomorrow night with "Resurrection Ship."
Great news!

I'd better go double-check my TiVo...

~Dan

Here are some screens of the cylon looking for Starbuck compared to the cylon they found in the munitions depot in the mini-series. As you can see they are the same guy and he is even wearing the same shirt...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7285/bsgguy8ve.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bsgguy8ve.jpg)

I got a feeling the cylons know of the baby or else why did they show up one year later, if not to monitor the baby's progress.
Well, the cylons did say they were a light-year away when they detected the nuclear detonation.

Since electromagnetic energy takes a year to travel one light-year, it would make sense that once the cylons detected the blast and FTL'd-on-over to Caprica II, that a year would have gone by...

~Dan

The one thing I noticed that I haven't seen discussed is the lack of progress by the humans developing a permanent settlement on New Caprica after one year had passed. It reminded me of an army camp, lacking any permanent structures or plumbing/sewers. If I were there, I would have stayed on my ship.

I think it's pretty clear that Baltar's administration is a complete failure and the economy is in even worse shape than it was when the fleet was running from the cylons.

And it looked like, before the cylons showed up, that a major labor strike was about to happen.

~Dan

Here are some screens of the cylon looking for Starbuck compared to the cylon they found in the munitions depot in the mini-series. As you can see they are the same guy and he is even wearing the same shirt...
He's probably the reincarnation of the guy Starbuck interrogated, and Roslyn had tossed out the airlock, looking for a little payback...

~Dan

Well, the cylons did say they were a light-year away when they detected the nuclear detonation.

Since electromagnetic energy takes a year to travel one light-year, it would make sense that once the cylons detected the blast and FTL'd-on-over to Caprica II, that a year would have gone by...

~DanYour right i din't know they said a light year away. I should record this stuff. I want an Hd dvr.

Here are some screens of the cylon looking for Starbuck compared to the cylon they found in the munitions depot in the mini-series. As you can see they are the same guy and he is even wearing the same shirt...

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/7285/bsgguy8ve.th.jpg (http://img136.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bsgguy8ve.jpg)Thanks for those pictures! I'd wondered who the hell that guy was and hadn't realized that it was the Leoben Conoy model. Starbuck spent some hours torturing him to find out where a bomb that he'd (falsely) claimed to have set was, in episode #1.8, "Flesh and Bone". Interesting that he'd want to interact with her again after that, but then, she didn't order him to be put to "death" after interrogation :D.

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/s1/graphics/108_16.jpg (http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/s1/graphics/108_gallery.shtml)

He seems to be wearing a different though equally ugly shirt: the pattern reminds me of Conroy's Game of Life (http://www.jcg3.org/old/java/life/). (Click the image for more images from the episode).
Just use the email notification feature, half the time I don't even know what forum I'm in.. :pI don't even use the e-mail notification. I subscribe to threads I'm interested in (and get auto-subscribed to any that I reply to). When I come here and bring up my User CP, the list of subscribed threads with new posts is at the top.

I wouldn't have noticed that this had been moved if there hadn't been discussion about it :).

I should record this stuff. I want an Hd dvr.
I couldn't live without mine!

Borrowing from my other favorite TV show, after the BSG 2.5 finale I said: "I'm going to have to watch that again..."

~Dan

I'm really curious what is was that Starbuck did to Apollo.

Not sure if this was posted yet, just starting to go through, but...

That scene where Starbuck is making out with her man in the her quaters with Lee there and she asked if he was still Fraking Duala, was pretty much it.

Here are some screens of the cylon looking for Starbuck compared to the cylon they found in the munitions depot in the mini-series. As you can see they are the same guy and he is even wearing the same shirt...

Yup, definitely the same guy and the same cylon. I suspect that why he was looking for Starbuck has something to do with The Farm... but that's only a guess. Could have something to do with the interrogation back in Flesh and Bone.

The actor, btw, is Callum Keith Rennie, a well-known RCA (Recycled Canadian Actor) who is quite popular in certain circles of the female part of fandom :) He was in the last season of Due South as a regular, and has had guest starring parts on Forever Knight, Highlander, La Femme Nikita, X-Files, Outer Limits, Da Vinci's Inquest... must of the usual Canadian-tv suspects :)

So, just to keep it straight in my own head... we now know seven of the Cylon models -- the more notable copies (not counting the standarounds in Downloaded, etc.):

Number 3 -- D'Anna Biers (aka Xena); one copy last seen in the fleet in "Final Cut", another copy died on Caprica during "Downloaded."

Number 5 -- Aaron Doral (aka Leisure Suit Larry), PR flak in the miniseries, left at Ragnar Anchorage, rescued by other cylons; suicide bomber copy in "Litmus;" another copy is seen on Caprica in several season 1 episodes, watching Helo and Sharon; a copy is seen in the cylon delegation in LDYB, pt. 2, unknown if this is the same copy as any of the ones seen previously.

Number 6 -- Gina, dead, suicide in LDYB, pt. 2; Caprica Six, last seen on new Caprica with the Cylon delegation; Shelly Godfrey, last seen in Six Degrees of Separation, either destroyed herself or disappeared into the fleet

Number 8 -- Caprica Sharon, last seen on Galactica before the time jump; Galactica Sharon, killed in "Resistance," resurrected and has trouble adjusting as seen in "Downloaded," last seen on new Caprica with the Cylon delegation

Leoben Conoy -- one copy at Ragnar Anchorage in the mini, dead; one copy found on the Gemenon Traveller, interrogated and de-airlocked on Roslin's order in "Flesh and Bone"; another copy seen in Anders' tent looking for Starbuck in LDYB, pt. 2 -- unknown if this is a reincarnation of the Gemenon Traveller model

Cavil -- one copy in the fleet (LDYB, pt. 1); one copy on Caprica (LDYB, pt. 2); both presumably de-airlocked on Roslin's order in LDYB, pt. 2.

Simon -- one copy seen on Caprica during "The Farm," masquerading as a doctor, he was killed by Starbuck.

The way theat 6 looked at Baltar at the end, made me think she was Gina with the nuke, and not his original 6 from the mini.

Ronald said that Sharon is still around, but we won't see her until season 3. he also mentioned in his podcast that they have the first couple episodes of season 3 outlined.

And yes, Dualla is XO of Pegasus. Manpower shortage. (Ronald and his podcast again)


Did anyone else notice that as soon as the Cylons did their walk down the street, Tyrol called Starbuck Captain rather then Kara like he probably did a littler earlier. I took that to mean, they are back in uniform.

And it looks like Tyrol is going to be a dad as Kali looked VERY pregnent. :D

Ron Moore explains his vision and where he want the show to go. He also said he was worried how we would react to where the show was going. He is planing to start next season 5 years in the future from where this season ends.
I think it is great story telling, The show was going stale to me this year with at least three filler show. Black Market, Scar and Sacrifices were not up to par and this shift was so unexpected it felt real..
This is what great writer do, the unexpected. All the great shows like The Sopranos, The Shield, and even Lost keep you coming back because you want to see what happen nexts.

Ron Moore explains his vision and where he want the show to go. He also said he was worried how we would react to where the show was going. He is planing to start next season 5 years in the future from where this season ends.


To me, it sounded as if he was saying that in jest, rather then in fact. But we will see for sure when Season 3.0 comes out in what will feel like 5 years from now. :eek:

The way theat 6 looked at Baltar at the end, made me think she was Gina with the nuke, and not his original 6 from the mini.

Perhaps.

I was thinking the opposite, though. Gina with the nuke would have been blown up with Cloud 9. Given her emotional state, I took that to mean she was betraying Baltar and also knew that since the resurrection ship had been destroyed, she would really die.

The look on Gina on new Caprica seemed more like the one who saved him on Caprica.

. . .
Between this show and some others, we're in a new golden age of TV right now. I don't know how long it's going to last, but I'm going to enjoy it while it does.

Yes, there are some wonderful shows on TV these days. It's been a long time since it was just The Sopranos surrounded by nothing. These days we also have Deadwood, 24, Grey's Anatomy, Lost, and some others that are also excellent.

Was there anything really wrong with having this thread back in the programming forum? It all worked great for over a year and then title gets changed, people get confused and the thread gets moved. Why couldn't Ken just leave the title alone since it was all working just fine as it was.

Agreed.

This one was borderline, but if we make an exception for BSG, every SD program will get a thread started in the HD Programming forum.

Sometimes a "solution," such as moving a long-standing thread to a new forum, results in a situation more undesirable than the one it was designed to correct. The decision to do so this time was micromanagement to no good end, it seemed to me. If a change of forums was really appropriate, it should have been made a year ago but it wasn't. Think about it.

I think it's pretty clear that Baltar's administration is a complete failure and the economy is in even worse shape than it was when the fleet was running from the cylons.

~Dan

Not only has the economy been bad, there have been been a lot of deaths during the Baltar administration. The population has dropped from more that 45,000 to less than 40,000 in only a year. I believe that this is probably mostly the result of the problems of trying to develop the cold and barren New Caprica.

On to a related topic: Baltar's and No. 6's relationship. Despite the ambiguity there, it is clear to me that the core No. 6 and Baltar really love each other. That has to be in the running for the oddest love story ever.

So, just to keep it straight in my own head... we now know seven of the Cylon models -- the more notable copies (not counting the standarounds in Downloaded, etc.):

Number 3 -- D'Anna Biers (aka Xena); one copy last seen in the fleet in "Final Cut", another copy died on Caprica during "Downloaded."

Number 5 -- Aaron Doral (aka Leisure Suit Larry), PR flak in the miniseries, left at Ragnar Anchorage, rescued by other cylons; suicide bomber copy in "Litmus;" another copy is seen on Caprica in several season 1 episodes, watching Helo and Sharon; a copy is seen in the cylon delegation in LDYB, pt. 2, unknown if this is the same copy as any of the ones seen previously.

Number 6 -- Gina, dead, suicide in LDYB, pt. 2; Caprica Six, last seen on new Caprica with the Cylon delegation; Shelly Godfrey, last seen in Six Degrees of Separation, either destroyed herself or disappeared into the fleet

Number 8 -- Caprica Sharon, last seen on Galactica before the time jump; Galactica Sharon, killed in "Resistance," resurrected and has trouble adjusting as seen in "Downloaded," last seen on new Caprica with the Cylon delegation

Leoben Conoy -- one copy at Ragnar Anchorage in the mini, dead; one copy found on the Gemenon Traveller, interrogated and de-airlocked on Roslin's order in "Flesh and Bone"; another copy seen in Anders' tent looking for Starbuck in LDYB, pt. 2 -- unknown if this is a reincarnation of the Gemenon Traveller model

Cavil -- one copy in the fleet (LDYB, pt. 1); one copy on Caprica (LDYB, pt. 2); both presumably de-airlocked on Roslin's order in LDYB, pt. 2.

Simon -- one copy seen on Caprica during "The Farm," masquerading as a doctor, he was killed by Starbuck.

Do the cylon raider ships, and base ships, by virtue of their partial organic nature get counted as cylon models? How about the centurion models and the ressurection ship?

There are a lot of people on the Sci-Fi boards who, um, shouldn't really have what they say taken at face value.

Oh I agree compleatly...I am just passing on the "rumor/info/BS" :D Then again I wouldn't be surprised what happens next after this last episode.


This one was borderline, but if we make an exception for BSG, every SD program will get a thread started in the HD Programming forum.

I hear ya....it was a judgement call. However BSG is recorded in HD...it is just that Sci-Fi isn't showing it as HD...yet....if ever.


Your right i din't know they said a light year away. I should record this stuff. I want an Hd dvr.

Yes they are a wonderful device. Except they now need a minimum of 300Gb hard drives. These 120Gb ones just don't cut it for HD material. I am always juggling my "space" on it. Why we can't add a external Hard Drive to the firewire port is beyond me.

I was bummed by the turn of events with the Cylons a couple of weeks back and, while it certainly made for interesting TV, a little bummed again with the season finale. While great TV, some of the events just didn't seem to make complete sense in the relation to past shows. As someone posted above, given the logic Moore usually writes with, the events just didn't feel right.

We go from completely modern society in which the politicians are monitoring polls on a daily basis to Balter being a dictator surrounded by whores and no one cares? While they can build vipers, they can no longer manufacture penicillin? Adama once jailed the former president for giving a single order that contradicted his view on the use of a military asset and was the only commander prudent enough to still be worried about the cylons after 40 years (no computer networks) but he's now willing to just sit on the fence as the entire military structure and all of his pilots are sent to the surface?

Just not buying it. All for change (even dramatic change), but not for cheap short cuts that contradict reason and the characters defined over the past two years.

By what I could tell that the election for Pres did not include any mention of a VP. I just assumed that the VP was a running mate of the Pres if not is he chosen at a later date by the Quorum? Minor quibble but something that needs to be addressed.

Not only has the economy been bad, there have been been a lot of deaths during the Baltar administration. The population has dropped from more that 45,000 to less than 40,000 in only a year. I believe that this is probably mostly the result of the problems of trying to develop the cold and barren New Caprica.

I took the "New Caprica City: Population xx,xxxx" (don't remeber the exact figure) to mean there were still 5000 or so aboard the ships in orbit...

Although, with no antibiotic production going on, there are sure to have been some deaths.

~Dan

We go from completely modern society in which the politicians are monitoring polls on a daily basis to Balter being a dictator surrounded by whores and no one cares?

Kind of mirrors the last 6 years in the U.S., doesn't it?

~Dan

Ron Moore explains his vision and where he want the show to go. He also said he was worried how we would react to where the show was going. He is planing to start next season 5 years in the future from where this season ends.
I think it is great story telling, The show was going stale to me this year with at least three filler show. Black Market, Scar and Sacrifices were not up to par and this shift was so unexpected it felt real..
This is what great writer do, the unexpected. All the great shows like The Sopranos, The Shield, and even Lost keep you coming back because you want to see what happen nexts.Moore was kidding in the podcast. Next season wont start 5 years after the fact.

The population has dropped from more that 45,000 to less than 40,000 in only a year.


How many were on Cloud 9?

Perhaps.

I was thinking the opposite, though. Gina with the nuke would have been blown up with Cloud 9. Given her emotional state, I took that to mean she was betraying Baltar and also knew that since the resurrection ship had been destroyed, she would really die.

The look on Gina on new Caprica seemed more like the one who saved him on Caprica.I agree with this. I believe the Six we saw on New Caprica is the Six that was in Downloaded which was created from the Six that died on Caprica during the nuke attack. The look on her face was relief that Baltar was alive. You remember in Downloaded she wanted to know if Baltar was alive because she truly loved him. Also petergaryr is right about Gina really dying. No resurrection ship means no downloading to another cylon body.

Kind of mirrors the last 6 years in the U.S., doesn't it?

~Dan
:D :D

One point about New Cap City, it's probably more like a 'boom town" since there was probably very little planning with Baltar pushing for settlement and the desire of the population to get off the ships. This would explain the rough look.

A point on the population, I would also imagine a small number of people would set off on their own, just to get away from the others, or explore, religion, etc.

Another point, there was probably still a few thousand aboard the ships.


Did anyone else how happy Kara was to see Col Tigh and that she actually hugged him??

Now that the season is over, activity on this thread will probably drop to a trickle of posts. The UHD thread will become more active in the HD forum as season two continues on UHD. All well and good, but in October this thread will be difficult, for those not subscribed to it, to find.

I noticed that almost all the other threads in this forum discuss cable service and equipment, not programming.

My guess is that there will be a hijacking of the UHD thread when season three starts on Sci-Fi.

One point about New Cap City, it's probably more like a 'boom town" since there was probably very little planning
If you look at Baltar's desk near the end, it looks like a model of extensive new construction (unless it's the Caprican equivalent of stacking playing cards or matchsticks). Given his Ego, I could see him insisting on building "only the best" rather than starting with simple structures and advancing slowly.

Another possibility is an unexpected change in weather conditions. If you have the entire planet to settle upon, would you build in a southern (clothing optional) climate or a changeable (freeze your b***s off half the year) zone.

Of couse, political and economic corruption could lead to luxury condos for Baltar's supporters and tents for the workers. This was one of the themes of the original series.

Whatever happens, I hope they move on and we don't have a season of flashbacks to fill in the gaps during the missing year. I think that bringing in various writers and directors works fine for a series based on standalone episodes (fresh blood) but does not work for a series with long term story arcs (that's why JMS took over most of the Babylon5 work). If you are going to work with multiple writers, then you need a well defined framework that they must fit their stories into and it does not seem that this exists yet (I hope this will be corrected).

Another possibility is an unexpected change in weather conditions. If you have the entire planet to settle upon, would you build in a southern (clothing optional) climate or a changeable (freeze your b***s off half the year) zone.

I guess you are assuming this wasn't the most temperate climate on the planet. Surely with the whole planet to settle in, you make the settlement in the most optimal area in regard to water, agriculture, natural resources, and overall climate. From the LDYBpt1 it didn't sound like this planet was anything other than borderline inhabitable.

...Listen to Moore's podcast on your computer; no portable MP3 player is necessary, by clicking onto: http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/downloads/podcast/mp3/109/bsg_ep109_FULL.mp3 Battlestar Gallactica Podcasts

Thanks for that link. I listened to the podcast got a lot out of it. Yes there were some stuff they were kidding about (Tyrol's relationship with Tigh, "Brokeback Galactica") but they adamant that the 1 year lapse is NOT a dream sequence (48.10-53:00):

"The audience, at this point [1yr later], is going 'it's a dream, they don't mean it, it's a Bobby [Dallas' infamous cliffhanger/season opener epidodes] out of a shower kind of sequence'...no, we mean it, like it was a really a year later we became enamoured with that kind of boldness...we needed to kind of go for it and make the audience understand, that's it not a dream...you need to be overt about it, you can't play it safe..."

That settles that. Unless they have a drastic change of change of heart between now and shooting the new season.

Also interesting is what they talked about Dualla being the Pegasis XO, Helo being Galactica's new XO, the relationship w/Lee, and the fat technology shown on Lee...the last 10-15mins of the podcast is pretty interesting.

The way theat 6 looked at Baltar at the end, made me think she was Gina with the nuke, and not his original 6 from the mini.Before I noticed it, I was just about to enter a post answering this almost identical to uncrules'--I agree with him completely.

The Models 6 and 8 that were with Doral on New Caprica were the reborn Caprica-6 and Galactica-Sharon from "Downloaded". According to Cavil, they are new leaders of the Cylons. If that's true, I don't think that the humans are in much danger from them. They're both extremely remorseful of what they did to harm them in the past.

I noticed that almost all the other threads in this forum discuss cable service and equipment, not programming.You're right--the problem is that there is no "Non-HDTV Programming" forum. If I wasn't already subscribed to it, there would be no logical place, given the titles of the forums, to look for this thread. Without reading the fine-print description, I'd assume that this forum was all about equipment. What else would expect from a group called "Video Components > Cable, Digital Cable - Non-HDTV".

Before I noticed it, I was just about to enter a post answering this almost identical to uncrules'--I agree with him completely.

The Models 6 and 8 that were with Doral on New Caprica were the reborn Caprica-6 and Galactica-Sharon from "Downloaded". According to Cavil, they are new leaders of the Cylons. If that's true, I don't think that the humans are in much danger from them. They're both extremely remorseful of what they did to harm them in the past.

You're right--the problem is that there is no "Non-HDTV Programming" forum. If I wasn't already subscribed to it, there would be no logical place, given the titles of the forums, to look for this thread. Without reading the fine-print description, I'd assume that this forum was all about equipment. What else would expect from a group called "Video Components > Cable, Digital Cable - Non-HDTV".

You'd think BSG would get an exception based on activity. When you look at the topic list for this forum it really stands out. BSG has over 51,000 page views whereas the next highest thread has 1000. I realize the argument is that by allowing BSG to remain in the HD forum it opens things up to threads on Rescue Me or The Shield or SpoungeBob but I really think BSG is different and deserves to be back in the Programming forum. And that's the last I'll beat this dead horse. Thanks for listening. :)

I was bummed by the turn of events with the Cylons a couple of weeks back and, while it certainly made for interesting TV, a little bummed again with the season finale. While great TV, some of the events just didn't seem to make complete sense in the relation to past shows. As someone posted above, given the logic Moore usually writes with, the events just didn't feel right.

We go from completely modern society in which the politicians are monitoring polls on a daily basis to Balter being a dictator surrounded by whores and no one cares? While they can build vipers, they can no longer manufacture penicillin? Adama once jailed the former president for giving a single order that contradicted his view on the use of a military asset and was the only commander prudent enough to still be worried about the cylons after 40 years (no computer networks) but he's now willing to just sit on the fence as the entire military structure and all of his pilots are sent to the surface?

Just not buying it. All for change (even dramatic change), but not for cheap short cuts that contradict reason and the characters defined over the past two years.

I think this is a great point. I was surprised that Adama would have mustered out most of his crew even in the face of Baltars orders or dropped an investigation into the nuke. Maybe the old man is just tired. And of course it was a year later so maybe they were on high alert for several months before they packed it in.

BTW, didn't you just love the velvet like painting of Baltar on his office wall. Reminded me of the dictator in the original In-Laws.

Do the cylon raider ships, and base ships, by virtue of their partial organic nature get counted as cylon models? How about the centurion models and the ressurection ship?

Well, we could really have some fun with that one.

Let's see, the original Cylon toaster model rebelled against their human oppressors, and ran off to somewhere to create humanoid cylons.

These humanoid Cylons now send the latest version of the toaster models to do their dirty work---like fight in their wars and get blown up.

So, we could have a second Cylon rebellion where the toaster models turn on the humanoid models, and the humanoid models have to seek the help of the humans to protect them from the "evil Cylons". Your former enemy becomes your friend in the hope of destroying a new common enemy.

Of course, that would never happen in real life; this is science fiction. :eek:

Well, we could really have some fun with that one.

Let's see, the original Cylon toaster model rebelled against their human oppressors, and ran off to somewhere to create humanoid cylons.

These humanoid Cylons now send the latest version of the toaster models to do their dirty work---like fight in their wars and get blown up.

So, we could have a second Cylon rebellion where the toaster models turn on the humanoid models, and the humanoid models have to seek the help of the humans to protect them from the "evil Cylons". Your former enemy becomes your friend in the hope of destroying a new common enemy.

Of course, that would never happen in real life; this is science fiction. :eek:
Oh thats good i like it.

Anyone else wonder how that humanoid cylon found Starbucks tent so easily??

Well, that kinda sucks. I've been listening to the podcast on the finale episode and they state:Edward James Olmos will not be back next season.Not entirely cool, but I'm sure that they can deal with it.
Anyone else wonder how that humanoid cylon found Starbucks tent so easily??I imagine that he just asked. In any case, we don't actually know how long it took him. Do you think that it would be a secret for some reason?

If you listen to it in context, it was said at the same time and in the same maner that they said season 3 would be 5 years into the future. It was in jest.

I don't know, the tone was far from jesting to my ears.

I hope so, that would be terrible...I guess I better listen to the podcast.

Now that the season is over, activity on this thread will probably drop to a trickle of posts. The UHD thread will become more active in the HD forum as season two continues on UHD. All well and good, but in October this thread will be difficult, for those not subscribed to it, to find.

I noticed that almost all the other threads in this forum discuss cable service and equipment, not programming.

My guess is that there will be a hijacking of the UHD thread when season three starts on Sci-Fi.

Yeah, it's too bad, too. I won't be back to this thread after the current flurry dies down because my policy is not to subscribe to threads and I sure as hell won't remember that the thread is now buried in the Video Components forum.

Since the show is filmed in HD it would seem to me that this would be sufficient reason to put it back it in the HDTV Programming Forum. I hope that good sense will prevail and somebody will decide to do so -- but I won't hold my breath.

Since the show is filmed in HD it would seem to me that this would be sufficient reason to put it back it in the HDTV Programming Forum. I hope that good sense will prevail and somebody will decide to do so -- but I won't hold my breath.

Agreed. Especially since season 2.5 will now be showing on Universal HD starting tonight Mar. 12.

Anyone else wonder how that humanoid cylon found Starbucks tent so easily??
Maybe starbucks boy is a cylon and he homed in on him. Maybe he hes got some cylon disease from nebula radiation that wont effect humans.

If you listen to it in context, it was said at the same time and in the same maner that they said season 3 would be 5 years into the future. It was in jest.Huh? I just listened to that again and there's nothing about season 3 being 5 years in the future around that.They'd just been praising Dean Stockwell for his superb handling of the "two Cavels" scene, wandering off into some inane trivia about the phrase "the old pros from Dover", which Moore had called Stockwell. At 25:15, they say:
Eick: So, yeah, Dean's comin' back, Dean'll be back next year.
Moore: Yeah, Dean enjoyed himself, he had a good time on the show.
Eick: Eddie however, won't be, we should point out at this point in the show.
Moore: No, Eddie won't be with us.
Eick: There will be no more Edward James Olmos.
Moore: But we are gonna have an animated version {Eick snickers}, an all CGI Eddie for season 3--it's a bold departure.
Eick: It's like Brando--didn't he make the argument that he should just do Superman as a voice? That way he wouldn't have to show up for his million dollars-per-{something} worth of screen time?Then they move onto the next topic. Though they crack a joke at the end, they don't state it in the context of a joke and their tone does not imply that they're joking about Olmos leaving.

They "jested" about the 3rd season setting place 5 years later at 1:07 of the podcast, towards the very end. However, it's hard to tell if they were joking or just laughing about what's going to be ahead.

The portion they were talking about 1yr later not being a dream sequence seemed very credible to me.

According to this, Olmos will be back.

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=0&id=34893

Galactica Returns In Fall

SCI FI Channel announced that its hit original series Battlestar Galactica will return in October with a full 20-episode third season. Production on the third season begins in Vancouver, Canada, in April.

Battlestar Galactica returns in its 10 p.m. ET/PT Friday timeslot and brings back the ensemble cast, which includes Edward James Olmos, Mary McDonnell, Katee Sackhoff, Jamie Bamber, James Callis, Tricia Helfer and Grace Park. As previously announced, Lucy Lawless will also join the cast for a 10-episode arc, reprising her role as D'Anna Biers, a Cylon.

Executive-produced by Ronald D. Moore and David Eick, Battlestar Galactica is from NBC Universal Television Studio.

Season three promises even more of the drama, intrigue and action that viewers have come to expect from the series, the network said. The 90-minute second-season finale airs at 10 p.m. March 10.

Huh? I just listened to that again and there's nothing about season 3 being 5 years in the future around that.

<spoiler cut>

They said it in the same tone as they did the 5 year jump at the 1:07 mark. Sounded more like a jest. EJO has said that he loves the part, so I can't really see him leaving.


AT 25:25 they said that Dean Stockwell will be back next season

Maybe starbucks boy is a cylon and he homed in on him. Maybe he hes got some cylon disease from nebula radiation that wont effect humans.

I was thinking more that they have had a cylon agent "getting the lay of the land" before they arrived in force.

An interview with Ron Moore with information about Season 3:

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/

-Terry

I guess you are assuming this wasn't the most temperate climate on the planet. Surely with the whole planet to settle in, you make the settlement in the most optimal area in regard to water, agriculture, natural resources, and overall climate. From the LDYBpt1 it didn't sound like this planet was anything other than borderline inhabitable.

Exactly. Don't any of you guys play Civilization 4? :D

I guess it is unfortunate that they don't film in a better place like Mexico.:)

I must say that I am really fracking pissed that it will be October before the new season starts. That is really just pitiful. Ten episodes per half season with twenty for a full season and they need another seven months.

Ericglo

An interview with Ron Moore with information about Season 3:http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/

Thanks for the link. It looks like Moore was serious that this is the direction they are pursuing. No dream sequence here and no jesting.

Did they really drop 10,000 people in a year, or was the "New Caprica Population" of 39,xxx not including those in the fleet orbiting above?

I couldn't tell...Baltar had his picture in the spot where the fleet numbers were. :)

Did they really drop 10,000 people in a year, or was the "New Caprica Population" of 39,xxx not including those in the fleet orbiting above?
I took that to mean the popuplation of the settlement. Wtih a few more thousand in orbit, and a few thousand lost when Gina set off the nuke and destroyed, by my count, no less then 5 ships with unknown number of people onboard.

Just a reminder:

The repeat of Lay Down Your Burdens Part 2 is on at 11:00 PM EST today 3/13. I mention this only because my DVR cut out the last few minutes and I saw some other comments to the same from other posters.

While I am at it, at 11 AM today, SciFi is showing the original BSG Cain episode.

Did they really drop 10,000 people in a year, or was the "New Caprica Population" of 39,xxx not including those in the fleet orbiting above?

I think thousands were killed when Cloud 9 blew up. It looked like it took a number of ships with it. So maybe that 39,000 number is one that reflects all those lost in that explosion.

I'm sure they also wanted to make clear that life on New Caprica would result in human extinction. Not exactly a life that encourages procreation, and health care consists of a pat on the back and a "Walk it off" from a licensed doctor. :)

But I'd be curious what the writers would say regarding the population post-Cloud 9-nuke to the 1-year-later population. Was it declining? If so, settlers would be forced to consider leaving or accepting hybrids as the only hope for maintaining any part of the species.... and I doubt the Cylons will just let them leave.

You'd think BSG would get an exception based on activity. When you look at the topic list for this forum it really stands out. BSG has over 51,000 page views whereas the next highest thread has 1000. I realize the argument is that by allowing BSG to remain in the HD forum it opens things up to threads on Rescue Me or The Shield or SpoungeBob but I really think BSG is different and deserves to be back in the Programming forum.

Very sound thinking there. I think the argument that if this BSG thread is allowed back on the HDTV Programming Forum that other SD shows will follow rings a bit hollow. That hasn't happened in the over a year-long life of this thread, and BSG is just, well, different from other shows. It occupied a sort of hybrid status unique only to itself, due to it appearing both in SD and HD on different channels, and nobody seemed to have a problem with it (or maybe one person had a problem with it). Then, it just ups and moves over here to a forum that isn't structured to talk about programming...? That's like looking for a solution to a non-existence problem, and thereby creating a problem! It's an outsider, an interloper, over here.

It's time to move it back where it belongs. Who's with me??! :cool:

Well we cheated the Gods as long as it was titled the way it was. Without UHD in the title, we lost any chance of it being considered pseudo-HD. That's why I was hoping there was a Canadian channel simulcasting it in HD so we could use that channel as the "primary" channel for the title.

Once the season (2.5) completes it's run on UHD, there won't be spoiler issues to contend with - then we can continue discussion back in the HDTV forum.

An interview with Ron Moore with information about Season 3:

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3300/2/

-Terry

“We do eventually plan on getting them back out into space, and also another major thing that’s going to happen in the third season is we’re going to do an ongoing Cylon story where we’re going to be cutting over to the Cylon world for the first time and running a complete arc within the Cylon,” reveals Moore.

Thanks for the link. Season 3 sounds pretty promising - it's like they are actually planning for a significant run for the series... :)

Here's a part 2 of that interview with Ron Moore...

http://www.nowplayingmag.com/content/view/3301/2/

-Terry

I don't know, the tone was far from jesting to my ears.

Did you not hear the part right after, when they said they were going to replace EJO with an animated Adama? It was a joke.

EJO is returning. It's in the Sci-Fi press release, among other places.

I really hope we don't have to spend the next six months debunking jokes from the podcast that people took as fact...

Let's review:

-- Tyrol and Tigh did not have an affair ("Brokeback Galactica")
-- Season 3 is not jumping another five years
-- EJO is not leaving to be replaced by an animated version of Adama

On the population numbers. Just a note... According to IMDB, the population number jumped over 1700 when the Pegasys showed up.

So maybe there are a lot of people not making it on New Caprica.

And my one thought about New Caprica... you'd think after having been there for a year, they'd be beyond tents.

And my one thought about New Caprica... you'd think after having been there for a year, they'd be beyond tents.

No kidding. You would think they would have at least dug out "Hobbit Holes". :D I would rather live underground for security and warmth.

Did you not hear the part right after, when they said they were going to replace EJO with an animated Adama? It was a joke.

Crimeny. NS, really? I know that portion was a joke. Any one with an educated nogging can tell those were jokes.

The portion I don't think was a joke are the 1 year events taking place. They were clear that those changes are indeed real and not any part of a dream sequence.

I think thousands were killed when Cloud 9 blew up. It looked like it took a number of ships with it. So maybe that 39,000 number is one that reflects all those lost in that explosion.

I saw that too. The explosion clearly took out several ships.

I bet there were only a handful left in orbit - only the ones that could not land. I bet only the Galactica and Pegasus had anything more than a skeleton crew, maybe a pilot/co-pilot and engineer. I bet there were no more than ~200 folks in orbit all together.

BTW.... my first post since watching it on Saturday (DVR'd Friday). The wife and I were both blown away by this episode. Amazing!

just watched this ep,
That's a season finale.

Did you not hear the part right after, when they said they were going to replace EJO with an animated Adama? It was a joke.

EJO is returning. It's in the Sci-Fi press release, among other places.

I really hope we don't have to spend the next six months debunking jokes from the podcast that people took as fact...

Let's review:

-- Tyrol and Tigh did not have an affair ("Brokeback Galactica")
-- Season 3 is not jumping another five years
-- EJO is not leaving to be replaced by an animated version of AdamaYeah, I saw that--I quoted it word for word above. The "replacing" of Olmos with CGI was clearly a joke and was said while laughing; the laughed while talking about "Brokeback Galactica" and the 5 year jump at the beginning of season 3. When they said he was leavng, there was no laughter and it didn't seem like a set-up for the CGI Adama joke. I'm inclined believe that it was a joke (and hope that it was), given that PR and the fact that I can find no official confirmation of it anywhere, but it certainly wasn't obvious in the podcast that they were joking about it.

They ought to try to make their jokes abundantly clear by the end of the podcast :rolleyes: .

I saw that too. The explosion clearly took out several ships.

I bet there were only a handful left in orbit - only the ones that could not land. I bet only the Galactica and Pegasus had anything more than a skeleton crew, maybe a pilot/co-pilot and engineer. I bet there were no more than ~200 folks in orbit all together.

BTW.... my first post since watching it on Saturday (DVR'd Friday). The wife and I were both blown away by this episode. Amazing!

Agreed. I've lurked a bit on the BSG boards this season, you guys covered the bases really well and I didn't have much to add.

One thing:

While I love the detour in the narrative (moving forward one year and being planetbound) I hope they don't spend all season getting them back to space and dealing with the Cylon occupation.

On the population numbers

I just assumed the population drop was 90+% from Pegasus 6 detonating the Nuke (what was the point of that anyway?). that thing clearly took out more than Cloud 9 (which was one of the biggest ships in the fleet, no?)

Cloud 9 plus 4 or 5 more (at least - subject to our view).

The point of the explosion (at least in hindsight - but probably planned) was that the Cylon fleet was able to track down the human fleet because of it.

Crimeny. NS, really? I know that portion was a joke. Any one with an educated nogging can tell those were jokes.

The portion I don't think was a joke are the 1 year events taking place. They were clear that those changes are indeed real and not any part of a dream sequence.

Yes, they were. I never said otherwise.

But there have been a number of posts commenting on the Adama thing and taking it quite seriously -- despite the comments that follow immediately making it clear it was a joke.

When they said he was leavng, there was no laughter and it didn't seem like a set-up for the CGI Adama joke. I'm inclined believe that it was a joke (and hope that it was), given that PR and the fact that I can find no official confirmation of it anywhere, but it certainly wasn't obvious in the podcast that they were joking about it.

They ought to try to make their jokes abundantly clear by the end of the podcast :rolleyes: .

Well... sorry, then. But it was pretty clear to me that they were just joking the entire time. Losing the credited lead character would be a huge development, and it wouldn't have been mentioned once and then dropped completely, which is what they did.

Anyway -- EJO is not leaving, period. It was confirmed in the Sci-Fi press release that the entire ensemble was returning, listing EJO by name along with the rest.

Well we cheated the Gods as long as it was titled the way it was. Without UHD in the title, we lost any chance of it being considered pseudo-HD. That's why I was hoping there was a Canadian channel simulcasting it in HD so we could use that channel as the "primary" channel for the title.

Once the season (2.5) completes it's run on UHD, there won't be spoiler issues to contend with - then we can continue discussion back in the HDTV forum.

That's a satisfactory solution to my way of thinking and I appreciate it.

Yes, they were. I never said otherwise.

But there have been a number of posts commenting on the Adama thing and taking it quite seriously -- despite the comments that follow immediately making it clear it was a joke.

And I didn't say otherwise on the EJO leaving and other shenanigans. Don't quote me then making me sound liked I believed such tom foolery. The only portion I've ever questioned was the events 1yr. thereafter which they've confirmed is real. I've listened to the 1hr. podcast and know when they're joking.

Come on BodegaBay & Whitearrow...We humans have to stick together. :D

Well unless...

Where do I find this podcast people are talking about?

How about here.
http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/

Come on BodegaBay & Whitearrow...We humans have to stick together. :D Well unless...

You calling me a tin man? Heh. No harm no foul no worries. Now throw me out of the airlock.

One thing from the season-ender (which I loved) that doesn't track is Roslin and her decision to not steal the election. Here is a woman that has thrown Cylons out airlocks, has compromised some of her cherished beliefs, and, most importantly has seen nearly her ENTIRE fracking race wiped out, and she is just going to hand the reins to a guy she knows is a collaborator?

BTW, have to point this out to the poster above saying this (new, much worse) human society reminds him of the last six years....a president coddling the enemy, and whoring around in the executive office? You might be thinking of the wrong guy.

:D :D

"Whoring?"

I don't believe he ever had to pay for it.

One thing from the season-ender (which I loved) that doesn't track is Roslin and her decision to not steal the election. Here is a woman that has thrown Cylons out airlocks, has compromised some of her cherished beliefs, and, most importantly has seen nearly her ENTIRE fracking race wiped out, and she is just going to hand the reins to a guy she knows is a collaborator?



I think she, like all of us, have a moral compass or conscience if you will. There are some things we can self-justify and ignore or bury that "this isn't right" feeling. Then there are the decisions that are deal breakers.

I think she was going along with the rigged election until her discussion with Adama. It is the basic question of "What kind of person are you" and "How far will you be willing to go and still be able to live with yourself?"

Apparently Baltar doesn't ask himself those types of questions.

One thing from the season-ender (which I loved) that doesn't track is Roslin and her decision to not steal the election.I don't think that she really had a choice. Adama knew and he wasn't having any of it. He talked to her to bring her to her senses, but if she hadn't come around, I feel certain that he would have exposed the "polling error" himself. He wouldn't have had to expose her complicity to do it.

BTW, have to point this out to the poster above saying this (new, much worse) human society reminds him of the last six years....a president coddling the enemy, and whoring around in the executive office? You might be thinking of the wrong guy.

LOL ... While BSG is certainly "informed by current/recent events," it seems pretty clear that the writers are jumbling up the details wrt to Blue/Red state "issues." It would probably be a huge mistake to look for exact analogs. :D

I think she, like all of us, have a moral compass or conscience if you will. There are some things we can self-justify and ignore or bury that "this isn't right" feeling. Then there are the decisions that are deal breakers.

I think she was going along with the rigged election until her discussion with Adama. It is the basic question of "What kind of person are you" and "How far will you be willing to go and still be able to live with yourself?"

Apparently Baltar doesn't ask himself those types of questions.

I hear ya, but I'd love to see a list of the questionable (to say the least) acts she's already committed as President. I just thought her conscience was a bit selective here. She knew she was charged with saving the entire race from annihilation. I just can't see her giving in that easily.

I hear ya, but I'd love to see a list of the questionable (to say the least) acts she's already committed as President. I just thought her conscience was a bit selective here. She knew she was charged with saving the entire race from annihilation. I just can't see her giving in that easily.

Well, she knew it was a bad idea, but there was no certainty that colonization of N.C. would lead to annihilation. She probably bought into the conventional wisdom that the nebula would conceal them from the Cylons. If there were, then you're right, she wouldn't have given in - not easily, not at all. Despite the unconventional actions she's taken, including trusting her visions, Laura is, above all, a patriot. It will be interesting to see what Moore & Co. have in mind for her now. The bad news is having to wait until October to find out!

I suspect her #1 priority will be protecting Hera.

Exactly!
One thing I think people seem to be underestimating is this hybrid human-Cylon baby, born to Helo/Sharon, but what Baltar's #6 in his head calls "their" baby.

BTW, have to point this out to the poster above saying this (new, much worse) human society reminds him of the last six years....a president coddling the enemy, and whoring around in the executive office? You might be thinking of the wrong guy.

:D :D

Generally speaking an unsolicited expression of a political opinion is out of place in a discussion of a television show. Think about it.

The season finale where the 3 Cylons were negotiating with Baltar? Is that #6 the one Baltar fell in love with back in Caprica or the new one that he gave the nuke to? It's so hard to tell. It would be interesting to know if that look that she gave Baltar was the look of love for a much missed lover or a look of apology for leading the rest of the Cylons to them by setting off the nuke.

Perhaps it's the #6 and Sharon on Caprica. They were able to convince and lead a group of Cylons away from other Cylons and now they have found the humans they are so found of. Season 3 could mean the co-existence of the humans and Cylons. Kind like the Sunnis and Shiites, Muslims and Christians or Palestinians and Israelis

The season finale where the 3 Cylons were negotiating with Baltar? Is that #6 the one Baltar fell in love with back in Caprica or the new one that he gave the nuke to? It's so hard to tell. It would be interesting to know if that look that she gave Baltar was the look of love for a much missed lover or a look of apology for leading the rest of the Cylons to them by setting off the nuke.

Perhaps it's the #6 and Sharon on Caprica. They were able to convince and lead a group of Cylons away from other Cylons and now they have found the humans they are so found of. Season 3 could mean the co-existence of the humans and Cylons. Kind like the Sunnis and Shiites, Muslims and Christians or Palestinians and Israelis

Pegasus6 detonated the nuke onboard the Cloud9 right before they cut to a year later....the 6 that walks into Baltars office was in fact the Caprica6...and it was CapricaBoomer too...the two war heros

TSeason 3 could mean the co-existence of the humans and Cylons. Kind like the Sunnis and Shiites, Muslims and Christians or Palestinians and Israelis
This show is chock full of that sort of symbolism, even down to the humans being chased around the universe looking for a home. I just pray that the writing stays par with the first two seasons, and there is no reason at this point to think it won't.

Kind like the Sunnis and Shiites, Muslims and Christians or Palestinians and Israelis

That should work out well. ;)

Pegasus6 detonated the nuke onboard the Cloud9 right before they cut to a year later....the 6 that walks into Baltars office was in fact the Caprica6...and it was CapricaBoomer too...the two war heros


What makes you so sure that it was the Caprica duos? I'm curious as to what signs I missed.... :confused:

You know, it would make more sense that it's the Caprica duos. For one thing, didn't the humans distroy the Cylon base along with that regeneration ship that was following them? That means that the #6 that set off the nuke had no place to download to.

I also just thought of something. Season 3 might see the story arc towards the orginal BSG series where Baltar starts to lead the Cylons. I'm sure that once the Cylons starts living side by side with humans that Roslyn will make everyone aware that it was Baltar who originally betrayed the humans. He will then require the protection from his beloved #6 to stay alive. Since he indirectly controls #6 , he is in defacto in control of the Cylons.

What I find puzzling is that the Cylon Priest tells them that the Cylons have realized the error of their ways and are willing to allow themselves and humans to "go their separate paths", and the reason is that they've been somehow enlightened by Caprica Six and Boomer, the [former?] Heros of the Cylon (for heroic deeds of genocide, ironically). Then, LeisureSuitLarry Cylon waltzes in with said two Heros of the Cylon and say, essentially, "We're baaaaack!"

The juxtaposition of these two events, separated only by a year of time, is pretty jarring. Was the Priest just full of crap and jerking them along? Or was there yet another "change of heart" for the Cylons in the intervening year? Or, are there now two competing groups of Cylons - one that just wants to search for enlightenment and to let bygones be bygones (and has become atheistic), and one that still wants to frack with humans (and is still primarily motivated by religion)?

October is such a long time away.... :(

What I find puzzling is that the Cylon Priest tells them that the Cylons have realized the error of their ways and are willing to allow themselves and humans to "go their separate paths", and the reason is that they've been somehow enlightened by Caprica Six and Boomer, the [former?] Heros of the Cylon (for heroic deeds of genocide, ironically). Then, LeisureSuitLarry Cylon waltzes in with said two Heros of the Cylon and say, essentially, "We're baaaaack!"

The juxtaposition of these two events, separated only by a year of time, is pretty jarring. Was the Priest just full of crap and jerking them along? Or was there yet another "change of heart" for the Cylons in the intervening year? Or, are there now two competing groups of Cylons - one that just wants to search for enlightenment and to let bygones be bygones (and has become atheistic), and one that still wants to frack with humans (and is still primarily motivated by religion)?

October is such a long time away.... :(

I have a feeling we'll learn the answers to some of those questions through Cylon Flashbacks. One thing Moore mentioned was that he plans on doing some story arcs from the Cylon side of things.

Maybe the "war heros" loss their luster in the year between the Nuke and them showing up on New Caprica.

What makes you so sure that it was the Caprica duos? I'm curious as to what signs I missed.... :confused:Let's get the designations straight. The episode just before the two-part finale, "Downloaded", features the "original" Sharon, aka "Galactica Sharon"--the one who was initially unaware of being a Cylon and who shot now-Admiral Adama while being congratulated by him upon return from her final mission. She was reborn on Caprica as was the "original" Six, aka "Caprica Six", the one who manipulated Baltar into unwittingly betraying humanity by giving her access to information on the Colonial defenses. In "Downloaded" they interact, and after being trapped in a building destroyed in a human rebel attack, they kill the D'anna Biers model with them in order to free Starbuck's new husband, Samuel Anders (who set off the explosion) and decide together that they can use the power of their "hero" status to influence the Cylon population in the few days before Biers can be reincarnated (delayed due to the number of others who died during the explosion). Apparently this works, because the two Cavels explain that the Cylons have decided that they've made a mistake in their attacks on and attempts to emulate mankind and are abandoning their occupation of the Colonies, and that they've changed their minds because of what these "heroes" have had to say.

I surmise from all of that that the reincarnations of the original Sharon and original Six (the first ones of either model to appear on the series) are now revered leaders of the Cylons and that it's them who accompany Doral into Baltar's office.

Of course, the broadcast of the second airing started two-minutes late and therefore my recording ends early and I didn't get to hear what, if anything, they say (I just saw up to the point where Baltar stands and identifies himself).

Listening to the Cylon voice-over during the credits, it was clear that the Cylons were planning a "benevolent" dictatorship for the remaining humans. Look for collaborationists and resistance-fighters next season. Think of Vichy France. (Perhaps "french toasters" :))

Are you talking about the voice-over during the ending credits? My first recording of the show stopped before Kira responded to Tyrol. I recorded it again with 5 minutes extra on the end to see what she said, and watched the preview for next season, but maybe I missed the Cylon voice-over people are talking about. Hopefully they'll air the finale again this week.

Are you talking about the voice-over during the ending credits? My first recording of the show stopped before Kira responded to Tyrol. I recorded it again with 5 minutes extra on the end to see what she said, and watched the preview for next season, but maybe I missed the Cylon voice-over people are talking about. Hopefully they'll air the finale again this week.

Unless I am missing something, it was the previews of the 3rd season starting in October that you saw that people are calling the "Cyon voice-over". If that isn't it, I don't know to what else they are referring.

Let's get the designations straight.
Yes, you are correct:

"Galactica Sharon" is the one we knew as Boomer, Chief Tyrol's girlfriend, who didn't know she was a Cylon, blew up the water tank, shot Adama, tried to kill herself, and who was killed by Cally. She is the one we saw reborn in the "warm, liquid goo phase"...

"Caprica Sharon" is the one that hooked up with Helo, got pregnant, had the baby, and is, the last we saw her, rotting in Galactica's brig.

"Caprica Six" is the one Baltar knew on Caprica before the attack, and the one we saw reincarnated. (She even looks good covered in goo!)

"Pegasus Six" is the one known as Gina, to whom Baltar gave the nuke. Since the Resurrection ship has been destroyed, she was killed (for good) when she detonated the warhead.


I surmise from all of that that the reincarnations of the original Sharon and original Six (the first ones of either model to appear on the series) are now revered leaders of the Cylons and that it's them who accompany Doral into Baltar's office.

Six's sad look and her comment, "I know who you are Gaius," indicate that she is definitely "Caprica Six," which would imply that the No. 8 with her is "Galactica Sharon."

~Dan

According to the guides, they're not airing the the finale again this Friday. They're starting season 2.5 over again, with "Ressurection Ship, Part 1".

What I find puzzling is that the Cylon Priest tells them that the Cylons have realized the error of their ways and are willing to allow themselves and humans to "go their separate paths"

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The juxtaposition of these two events, separated only by a year of time, is pretty jarring. Was the Priest just full of crap and jerking them along? Or was there yet another "change of heart" for the Cylons in the intervening year?
My guess is that it was an outright lie...the Cylons were hoping the humans would get lazy and complacent, and do something stupid like settle down.

In the meantime, the Cylons were building another resurrection ship. Why press a war where you can really die, if you can eliminate the threat of death by biding your time...


October is such a long time away.... :(
So say we all, brother!

~Dan

nless I am missing something, it was the previews of the 3rd season starting in October that you saw that people are calling the "Cyon voice-over". If that isn't it, I don't know to what else they are referring.

The voiceover happened during the credits and as they were showing pictures of the cast including all the known Spylons. Since the show was 92 minutes and most TIVO software cut off at the 90 minute mark, many who recorded this missed the last scene with Baltar's surrender, the Toaster march down Main St., Kara/Tyrol's "Fight them until we can't," and the credits/voiceover.

Of the 3 Sci-Fi showings the voiceover was broadcast in the original showing Friday night and the repeat on Monday night, but was cut from the 2nd showing (1am EST Sat morning). Actually it wasn't missing so much as SciFi ran a voiceover promo for Fortress 2 and DrWho as the credits were shrunk down to 20% of the screen.

Six's voice:
"Humanity has surrendered.
The war is finally over.
We must now fulfill our true destiny.
So we will love them, and take care of them.
Show them the glory of peace.
And like god, our infinite mercy will be matched only by our power, and complete control. "

archiguy=What I find puzzling is that the Cylon Priest tells them that the Cylons have realized the error of their ways and are willing to allow themselves and humans to "go their separate paths"... The juxtaposition of these two events, separated only by a year of time, is pretty jarring. Was the Priest just full of crap and jerking them along? Or was there yet another "change of heart" for the Cylons in the intervening year?

danco= My guess is that it was an outright lie...the Cylons were hoping the humans would get lazy and complacent, and do something stupid like settle down...In the meantime, the Cylons were building another resurrection ship. Why press a war where you can really die, if you can eliminate the threat of death by biding your time...What if the Brothers Cavil were speaking from the heart? It is not so hard to imagine that their model has embraced what they laid-out, while other models have not... We have seen the Cylons with seemingly [faction-like] groups. I think these groups would be stirred by the [humanized by contact/love] Dynamic Duo (6/8), but not completely changed. All the factions could get caught up in the 'moment', but each would interpret the message according to their own bents. The Brothers could be speaking from a momentary 'win' in the consensus. As the voice-over implies, the actual change of consensus [I would expect] would be an amalgamation of the competing visions.

As provided by prospect60, the preview voice-over indicates the pendulum has swung from extermination, past the Brothers Cavil non-interference, to [protectionism/control]. They seem set to judge Colonial culture and human nature, and [compensate] for shortcomings in both. As has been said, "Democracy imposed from without is Tyranny."


Sorry, forgot about danco's point. That was a very important strategic point about the rebuild of the Resurrection Ship. The interesting thing I thought implied by the Head-5, was that the cylons had no more spies with transmit capability within the fleet and had lost them.

I also wonder about Gina's suicide. Was it the fulfillment of her earlier hope, or the re-emergence of dissatisfaction/depression based on the message the Brothers Cavil brought (I can not remember the sequence here - so that could be completely wrong).



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I also wonder about Gina's suicide. Was it the fulfillment of her earlier hope, or the re-emergence of dissatisfaction/depression based on the message the Brothers Cavil brought (I can not remember the sequence here - so that could be completely wrong).

Actually, it probably wasn't a suicide. My guess is she was carrying out some original programming to signal the Cylon fleet. I'm also guessing that her intense emotional state was due to the fact that she knew she was betraying Baltar, as well as knowing that since the resurrection ship was gone, she would truly die, and not just be downloaded into a new body.

Just my 4 cents (2 cents adjusted for inflation).

A suicide bomber is a suicide bomber, regardless of her reasons.

I'm still unclear why Balthar gave her the bomb in the first place. What was he thinking? He seemed dismayed when he learned the Cylons found New Caprica because of the blast, but I'm sure he'll get over it. And, he's got to be pleased that the potential enslavement of the human race has also brought his true love back to his side.

What makes you so sure that it was the Caprica duos? I'm curious as to what signs I missed.... :confused:

I think it was something the atheist-priest said...or maybe its just how they were acting....6 seemed to be very happy to finally be with Baltar now...although, Baltar was probably a little shocked...

A suicide bomber is a suicide bomber, regardless of her reasons.

I'm still unclear why Balthar gave her the bomb in the first place. What was he thinking? He seemed dismayed when he learned the Cylons found New Caprica because of the blast, but I'm sure he'll get over it. And, he's got to be pleased that the potential enslavement of the human race has also brought his true love back to his side.
That's a good question, was it a token of his love for her? Surely he knew that no good could come from doing it, was/is he convinced that the Cylons are the "right and true children of God"?

Were the details of this action by Baltar ever explained?

I'm still unclear why Balthar gave her the bomb in the first place. What was he thinking?


Little Baltar told him to do it, i.e., he was trying to get into her pants.

I'm still unclear why Balthar gave her the bomb in the first place. What was he thinking?

At the heart of it, Baltar is a very petty man. Remember, at the time, Rosilyn had taken Baltar down a couple of notches in their last discussion so he was just being pissy (with a nuke no less!).

James Callis is a wonderful actor! I don't think it's that uncommon for some individuals with very high intelligence to simultaneously display very childish behavior - he plays that type person to a "T".

JP

Was it Einstein that said "The difference between genius and insanity is, genius has its limits"?

Another take I've heard is "The difference between genius and insanity is, your level of success", Baltar hasn't had much success.

Six's sad look and her comment, "I know who you are Gaius," indicate that she is definitely "Caprica Six," which would imply that the No. 8 with her is "Galactica Sharon."

~Dan
Tricia Helfer has also been very good at using slightly different vocal stylings/inflections with each of her incarnations. The way that she said "Gaius" as they were accepting the humans' surrender was pretty unmistakably Caprica-6.

Plus she had the long-lost-lover look she would have after not seeing her lover for months and months. The suicide girl #6 was pretty indifferent to him, except their last 'night' alone.

No kidding...These "Cylon" Actors do a wonderful job. Imagine their "Work Dreams"....hehe

What I find puzzling is that the Cylon Priest tells them that the Cylons have realized the error of their ways and are willing to allow themselves and humans to "go their separate paths", and the reason is that they've been somehow enlightened by Caprica Six and Boomer, the [former?] Heros of the Cylon (for heroic deeds of genocide, ironically). Then, LeisureSuitLarry Cylon waltzes in with said two Heros of the Cylon and say, essentially, "We're baaaaack!"

The juxtaposition of these two events, separated only by a year of time, is pretty jarring. Was the Priest just full of crap and jerking them along? Or was there yet another "change of heart" for the Cylons in the intervening year? Or, are there now two competing groups of Cylons - one that just wants to search for enlightenment and to let bygones be bygones (and has become atheistic), and one that still wants to frack with humans (and is still primarily motivated by religion)?

October is such a long time away.... :(
I like the way you talk. :D

What people have failed to mention thus far is how are these Cylons created in the first place? Who does the programming? If they are programmed, who decides what? and if so, why can't they (the Cylon command) just re-program some of the Cylons that don't seem to behave, namely, the Caprica #6 and Boomer/Sharon?

Some of these things don't seem to make sense.

What people have failed to mention thus far is how are these Cylons created in the first place? Who does the programming? If they are programmed, who decides what? and if so, why can't they (the Cylon command) just re-program some of the Cylons that don't seem to behave, namely, the Caprica #6 and Boomer/Sharon?

Some of these things don't seem to make sense.I think they are essentially a base program and it learns as it Liv's and gets more complex, if they reprogram caprica six or change the program in anyway that would basically destroy the persons soul or program, this is why they box them and not kill them cylon morality, another reason why they would upload the enhanced mind rather than just getting out a floppy and reprogram another base unit, it's like get out another baby clone. i don't get why they don't just copy an experienced caprica 6 or a scar unless they just cant. thats my opinion

What people have failed to mention thus far is how are these Cylons created in the first place? Who does the programming? If they are programmed, who decides what? and if so, why can't they (the Cylon command) just re-program some of the Cylons that don't seem to behave, namely, the Caprica #6 and Boomer/Sharon?

Some of these things don't seem to make sense.

We'll we created them (i.e.: the humans)...but they evolved (not unlike the story the First and Second Reniassance in the Animatrix, by far the best two stories in the Animatrix). They evolved and though they can't reproduce sexually (well as far as we've seen, they can only create hybrids with humans), they do reproduce asexually. Who does the programming? Even though the Cylons are incredibly inteligent, I doubt they were able to completely master the human/cylon brain. Which is one of the reasons why some of the Cylons act differently and aren't cohesive to the group. I wouldn't even call it programming, I'd call it learning. Like humans. But, they obviously do have some technology to control a Cylons thinking...they refered to "boxing" (I think) in "Downloaded" where they can capture the memories of that singular entity and remove them from the rest of the group...Long story short, we can only make so many inferences and assumptions, but I would assume there is no puppet-master behind the scenes telling what them to do.

I think they are essentially a base program and it learns as it Liv's and gets more complex, if they reprogram caprica six or change the program in anyway that would basically destroy the persons soul or program, this is why they box them and not kill them cylon morality, another reason why they would upload the enhanced mind rather than just getting out a floppy and reprogram another base unit, it's like get out another baby clone. i don't get why they don't just copy an experienced caprica 6 or a scar unless they just cant. thats my opinion
I agree, they use a template so to speak.
Once it is in the wild it learns and adapts or carries a logic bomb(galactica sharon) or a stricter control set.
When it gets hairy is when they are downloaded into new bodies with accumulated experience, the whole nature nurture thing.
It is going to be fun with warring cylon factions if they choose that direction. I really dig the whole cylon as human babysitter thing.
Damn this is a good show. :)

I agree, they use a template so to speak.
Once it is in the wild it learns and adapts or carries a logic bomb(galactica sharon) or a stricter control set.
When it gets hairy is when they are downloaded into new bodies with accumulated experience, the whole nature nurture thing.
It is going to be fun with warring cylon factions if they choose that direction. I really dig the whole cylon as human babysitter thing.
Damn this is a good show. :)yup this is a great sci fi show, i never would have guessed it was going to turn out this good.

That's a good question, was it a token of his love for her? Surely he knew that no good could come from doing it, was/is he convinced that the Cylons are the "right and true children of God"?

Were the details of this action by Baltar ever explained?

I don't think so; in fact, I was pretty shocked when he gave her the nuke. But then, didn't she ask him for it at an earlier point? Her motivations were never explained, either; it could be that she simply had a death wish and wanted to take a bunch of humans with her (she is a Cylon, after all). Maybe her brutal interrogation/rape "broke" her or somehow changed her, damaged her brain so that she lost her will to live.

As for Baltar, perhaps he is now so deep into his own psychosis that he doesn't even realize what he's doing half the time, or why.

The voiceover happened during the credits and as they were showing pictures of the cast including all the known Spylons. Since the show was 92 minutes and most TIVO software cut off at the 90 minute mark, many who recorded this missed the last scene with Baltar's surrender, the Toaster march down Main St., Kara/Tyrol's "Fight them until we can't," and the credits/voiceover.

Of the 3 Sci-Fi showings the voiceover was broadcast in the original showing Friday night and the repeat on Monday night, but was cut from the 2nd showing (1am EST Sat morning). Actually it wasn't missing so much as SciFi ran a voiceover promo for Fortress 2 and DrWho as the credits were shrunk down to 20% of the screen.

Six's voice:
"Humanity has surrendered.
The war is finally over.
We must now fulfill our true destiny.
So we will love them, and take care of them.
Show them the glory of peace.
And like god, our infinite mercy will be matched only by our power, and complete control. "

Something to think about, we've seen this before....

Go back to Star Trek:The Original Series, and rewatch the episode "I, Mudd".

There are human-looking androids on a planet that Harcourt Fenton "Harry" Mudd landed on after he escaped from Federation prison.

The androids were sent by an unknown race and were initially preparing the planet as a prelude to colonization, but Mudd changed their behavior (or so Mudd thought) to obey him and come at his beck and call.

The androids, after viewing Harry's inane behavior, decide that most humans act this way and they must go to the human worlds and offer their services. In essence, they would "serve" the humans by fulfilling all their wishes and keep them "controlled".

Occupation without the war...

(Yes, I know the ST:TOS episode is a comedy/farce, but it sure looks like someone wanted to update an old Star Trek scenario).

The androids, after viewing Harry's inane behavior, decide that most humans act this way and they must go to the human worlds and offer their services. In essence, they would "serve" the humans by fulfilling all their wishes and keep them "controlled".


Somehow I don't think the Cylons intend to "serve" humans in the same kind of fashion that Harry Mudd's "babedroids" would. ;)

Also remember that the conversations Baltar and Caprica6 had w/ their "imagined" lover were vastly different from reality. After being reborn Caprica6 had conversations w/ her Baltar that showed her the error of her ways. Meanwhile Baltar was having conversations w/ his 6 that showed the futility of resisting the Cylons. I wonder how that will play out now that the two are actually able to meet face to face, and no longer in their minds.

Maybe Baltar's 6 and Caprica 6's Baltar will hook up. :)

I think these different Cylons are created for a certain purpose. That's why Boomer blacked out and didn't know what she was programmed to do. Many of them don't even know that they are Cylons. There are a lot of inconsistencies in this show. For example, how is it that they are able to travel faster than the speed of light but don't know enough about human physiology to cure cancer? or how come the Cylons know about biological creatures to the point of creating and programming them to do a certain task or give them memories but can't re-program them?

As far as having someone pulling the strings at the Cylon camp. All organizations needs a hierarchy or there would be chaos. So clearly, someone is in charge. I mean, how and who determines who gets programmed with what to do which tasks?

Well, for one, you're assuming that cancer is a disease that will ever be cured. Over all the years we really haven't made any breakthroughs. We're still treating cancer with chemo and radiation, which is what we've been doing for years. So, I think it is presumptuous of you to state that just because they can travel faster than light they should know how to cure cancer. That is a rosy view of the future (like Star Trek:TNG) which may or may not be true. Is it not acceptable for a writer to hypothesize that such diseases may very well still be around?

Somehow I don't think the Cylons intend to "serve" humans in the same kind of fashion that Harry Mudd's "babedroids" would. ;)

True..HeHe

Or this either: The Twilight Zone. To Serve Man, written by Rod Serling .

JCC said
As far as having someone pulling the strings at the Cylon camp. All organizations needs a hierarchy or there would be chaos. So clearly, someone is in charge. I mean, how and who determines who gets programmed with what to do which tasks?

I have wondered about this also. I think that when the Cylons refer to God that is actually one individual/computer/whatever that is telling them what to do. I think that God is their ruler and not a deity.

Somehow I don't think the Cylons intend to "serve" humans in the same kind of fashion that Harry Mudd's "babedroids" would. ;)

Watch it and re-think how the ST:TOS androids would handle it. The take-over and control would be at a very subtle level. Think about it - you're presented with (one or more) absolutely gorgeous androids, at little or no charge. :)

They will obey you and take care of all your wants - clean your house, run your errands, bathe you, feed you, frak you anyway you want. :D

You very slowly and very quietly become absolutely dependent on them. That's when they'll be in control. :eek:

Who says some of the human looking Cylons won't do the same? Most of the people in the RTF are tired of running and are looking for an escape. This may be it.

Well, for one, you're assuming that cancer is a disease that will ever be cured. Over all the years we really haven't made any breakthroughs. We're still treating cancer with chemo and radiation, which is what we've been doing for years. So, I think it is presumptuous of you to state that just because they can travel faster than light they should know how to cure cancer. That is a rosy view of the future (like Star Trek:TNG) which may or may not be true. Is it not acceptable for a writer to hypothesize that such diseases may very well still be around?

Actually, to be able to travel faster than the speed of light we would HAVE to know how to cure cancer. Why? Because in order to get to that point, human knowledge of everything must advance. There was an article I read a while back which explained this. Basically that scientific knowledge must move in uniformity. That is, the different branches of science are interrelated so that one cannot advance without the advancement of others. (That's why I also find it strange that they still use bullets if they can over come E=MC^2). In order for humans to travel faster than the speed of light, you would also need to know what happens to human tissue when it is traveling at those speeds, as well as many other facts. It's not as easy as just seeing if there's any mutations in the DNA.

Each scientific discovery rides on top of previously discovered science. It might even be in a totally different discipline. For example, our computer technology today would not have been possible without many advancements in diverse sciences such as metallurgy, optics, chemistry, mathematics, etc. If any one of those things had not advanced, we wouldn't have the computers that we have today. Therefore, it's completely inconceivable that we would be able to overcome one of the biggest puzzles of the universe, namely, space/time travel, without the commensurate advances in other scientific disciplines like human biology. In fact, I would say that to be able to cure cancer is childs play compared to overcoming the E=MC^2 problem.

Watch it and re-think how the ST:TOS androids would handle it. The take-over and control would be at a very subtle level. Think about it - you're presented with (one or more) absolutely gorgeous androids, at little or no charge. :)

They will obey you and take care of all your wants - clean your house, run your errands, bathe you, feed you, frak you anyway you want. :D

You very slowly and very quietly become absolutely dependent on them. That's when they'll be in control. :eek:

Who says some of the human looking Cylons won't do the same? Most of the people in the RTF are tired of running and are looking for an escape. This may be it.


Ah...some of you nerds need to roll your tongue back into your heads and stop fantasizing. :D

Therefore, it's completely inconceivable that we would be able to overcome one of the biggest puzzles of the universe, namely, space/time travel, without the commensurate advances in other scientific disciplines like human biology. In fact, I would say that to be able to cure cancer is childs play compared to overcoming E=MC^2.

Poor Ron Moore - he's figured out FTL technology but hasn't found the cure for cancer... yet. Give the man time! :D

You very slowly and very quietly become absolutely dependent on them. That's when they'll be in control.

Who says some of the human looking Cylons won't do the same? Most of the people in the RTF are tired of running and are looking for an escape. This may be it.

That would sure be a "humdinger" of a plotline, wouldn't it? It's actually pretty interesting. Certainly an "occupation" of hot looking Cylon babes (and dudes for the human women) willing to do anything to please their "masters" (subjects? victims?) would be exceedingly dangerous given the genetic human preoccupation with sex. They could worm their way into whatever human institution they wanted very quickly that way. Talk about winning a war without firing a shot! Hmmmm....

Well, someone would have to "fire a shot" for that to happen.. ;)

Well, someone would have to "fire a shot" for that to happen.. ;)

LOL! I knew somebody would go there; thanks for not disappointing me, Jim!

Wouldn't it be funny if the Adamas hatched some brilliant plan to jump back in with a counter attack, guns blazing, and the colonists on New Caprica just reacted with a shrug, comfortably and happily bedded down with their hot new Cylon lovers? :D

Boy, you guys ARE a bunch of nerds....what's the matter, the wife not satisfying you at home? :p

Poor Ron Moore - he's figured out FTL technology but hasn't found the cure for cancer... yet. Give the man time! :D ....


Yes, Moore-Ron didn't think of the simple stuff. He worked on Star Trek, he should know better.

Just because one aspect of technology is advanced doesn't always mean all other advances progressed to a similar level. In our own world we have gone to the moon, have wireless phones the size of credit cards, and such and our own medical advances have progressed slower than travel and communications. We can't cure the common cold. Perhaps if we spent more on medical than other things then yes, we'd get more advances but that hasn't exactly been the case...who's to say that the same hasn't happened there?


It's a TV show...besides, they used Cancer because it's a disease we are familiar with and can realte to...if they said Laura was dying from "space sickness" while the result may have been the same plot-wise, it doesn't strike as high emotionally for the viewer. Some things are done for dramatic presentation or to make people feel things they should be.

We know what Cancer is, we know how deadly it is...the second you say she's got Cancer, boom, you know what she will be going through...you call it techno-blooby sickness I honestly don't give a rip as much.

Or this either: The Twilight Zone. To Serve Man, written by Rod Serling .
It's...it's a cook book! :eek:

Actually, to be able to travel faster than the speed of light we would HAVE to know how to cure cancer.

Not necessarily...on Star Trek: The Next Generation, they had FTL (Warp) drive, and knew how to mend many injuries and cure many diseases...but Jean Luc was living proof that even in the 24th Century, there was no cure for Male Pattern Baldness! :eek:

~Dan

Watch it and re-think how the ST:TOS androids would handle it. The take-over and control would be at a very subtle level. Think about it - you're presented with (one or more) absolutely gorgeous androids, at little or no charge. :)

They will obey you and take care of all your wants - clean your house, run your errands, bathe you, feed you, frak you anyway you want. :D

You very slowly and very quietly become absolutely dependent on them. That's when they'll be in control. :eek:

Who says some of the human looking Cylons won't do the same? Most of the people in the RTF are tired of running and are looking for an escape. This may be it.

Where do I sign up? :D

IIRC, I think it was either in the pilot or one of the earlier episodes that a doctor was chiding Roslin for "waiting so long" to seek treatment. Perhaps they are able to deal with cancer at the early stages, but once it progresses beyond a certain point....

We've landed people on the moon but a cure for the common cold still eludes us.

LOL! I knew somebody would go there; thanks for not disappointing me, Jim!

Wouldn't it be funny if the Adamas hatched some brilliant plan to jump back in with a counter attack, guns blazing, and the colonists on New Caprica just reacted with a shrug, comfortably and happily bedded down with their hot new Cylon lovers? :D
Sharon: Sounds like the Adama family is shooting up the place again.
Helo: Yeah, whatever, just lock the door and grab me a beer before you get back in bed.

Dudes, it is true that our medical technology has been slow but it's come a long way. For them to be able to go faster than the speed of light and not be able to cure cancer is like if this day and age doctors still practiced blood letting. Much of our medical advances have come from other fields such as molecular science and computers. Think of all the great imaging machines we have today. Or how about the fact that we were able to map the entire human genome. That wouldn't have been possible without computers. So you can see clearly that advances in other fields have played major parts in the advancement of modern medicine.

Let me ask you something...what if I air a classic western on TV where everyone was riding on horse and buggy or horses but they used ray guns? Wouldn't that seem strange to you? After all, if they have enough scientific knowledge to produce ray guns don't you think they would be beyond horse and buggies?

I just don't find it persuasive that if they could do "A", then it automatically follows that they could do "B". Curing cancer just may be a tougher job than creating faster-than-light travel. One extraordinary physics breakthrough could do it (you know, like that Einstein guy had) and maybe the technology isn't that difficult once you have that breakthrough, that epiphany. Even small craft like Vipers can have FTL drives, so it's not that big of a system, and bigger usually means more complex. Cancer just may be a tougher nut to crack. (But not for the Cylons, who have evidently figured some cool stuff out along the way in the process of creating copies of humans.)

Besides, it was needed for the narrative and I'm okay with that.

jcc,

please let it go. you are surmising. others are surmising. you're wrong. they're right. no proof. no pudding. time to move on. A does not equal B. dramatic tension required the illness to be what it was.


edited for spelling. still no capitalization.

I for one welcome our new Cylon masters.

off topic but similar, over at the Tivo forum their discussion is about the "33" episode where the fleet jumped every 33 minutes. It is frakkin 50 pages long. They got diagrams of FTL drives and have figured out how far you can go in a "light minute". Bunch of nerds over there. Better get back....

I couldn't find the article that I read a while back but I do remember the documentaries created by James Burke called Connections which basically explained what I've been saying. He used the term interdisciplinary approach to discoveries...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connections_%28TV_series%29

Actually, to be able to travel faster than the speed of light we would HAVE to know how to cure cancer. Why? Because in order to get to that point, human knowledge of everything must advance. There was an article I read a while back which explained this. Basically that scientific knowledge must move in uniformity. That is, the different branches of science are interrelated so that one cannot advance without the advancement of others. (That's why I also find it strange that they still use bullets if they can over come E=MC^2). In order for humans to travel faster than the speed of light, you would also need to know what happens to human tissue when it is traveling at those speeds, as well as many other facts. It's not as easy as just seeing if there's any mutations in the DNA.

Each scientific discovery rides on top of previously discovered science. It might even be in a totally different discipline. For example, our computer technology today would not have been possible without many advancements in diverse sciences such as metallurgy, optics, chemistry, mathematics, etc. If any one of those things had not advanced, we wouldn't have the computers that we have today. Therefore, it's completely inconceivable that we would be able to overcome one of the biggest puzzles of the universe, namely, space/time travel, without the commensurate advances in other scientific disciplines like human biology. In fact, I would say that to be able to cure cancer is childs play compared to overcoming the E=MC^2 problem.The Colonials did find a cure for cancer. They did not find one that works right up to the moment of death. They apparently did not find a sure-fire preventative treatment or modify everyone's the DNA to prevent it. There is a cure and a preventative treatment for the rust on my old Dodge, but I let it go to the point where there is really no hope but complete replacement of the entire bed... My response to the interdisciplinary argument is maybe they knew what and how but did not: perhaps the cure for cancer turns out to be the cure for humanity/life also...Let me ask you something...what if I air a classic western on TV where everyone was riding on horse and buggy or horses but they used ray guns? Wouldn't that seem strange to you? After all, if they have enough scientific knowledge to produce ray guns don't you think they would be beyond horse and buggies?You mean Firefly?

v/r,
C-F

...You mean Firefly?

v/r,
C-F

Actually, in the Firefly universe, they don't use ray guns, just good ol' cheap, dependable "slug-chuckers" (to use a term from Babylon 5 - gads, what a geek I am). To be fair, laser pistols had been invented, but were seldom used, probably because of expense, high energy usage, complex technology that could easily break down, etc.

JCC,

No, they wouldn't have to know anything. Simply because 'B' exists, it doesn't logically follow that 'A' preceded it. If there is no evidence, then it is merely speculation. This is a well respected concept of philosophy and critical thinking.

Plus, it's a work of fiction. Just watch the show and have fun. There is no need to micro-analyze everything IMO.

:) I know, it was only to point to a universe based on: technology may be available but not suitable, affordable, or worth the trade-offs. It just seemed to work better without the caveated differences... :p

v/r,
C-F

JCC,
Plus, it's a work of fiction. Just watch the show and have fun. There is no need to micro-analyze everything IMO.


But see, that's my point. SciFi fans like SciFi precisely because they like the Sci part of the term. Because without the Sci, SCi Fi is just Fi, or fiction.

That's why Star Trek had a lot of consultants on their sets to make sure that what they are showing makes sense based on our current level of scientific knowledge, projected out of course. Sure, a willing suspension of disbelief is warranted but only to a certain extent. Beyond that and cognitive dissonance starts to kick in...

Also, yes, certain things do have to exist before something else can follow. Just like microscopes needed to be invented before we were able to prove that germs existed. Or how about gunpowder before guns, or any other technology or scientific knowledge. What you're suggesting is impossible. It's in the realm of fantasy and not SciFi. Kind of like Superman or Spiderman?

But see, that's my point....What you're suggesting is impossible. ..


I'm so glad you cleared that up, being a recognized authority and such...wait, you're only a frakkin' financier????

What the frak do you take us for????

Move along, this argument is pointless and someone is starting to look like a troll.

JCC,

Those are great examples to illustrate technological progression, but they don't carry over logically to the point you are trying to make. We do not know that curing cancer would logically precede traveling faster than light. Is it possible? Sure, it is possible. But, you are only speculating. I don't know how else to explain it to you.

In regards to your comment about science fiction I would point out that BSG is drama set in a Sci-Fi universe. It's the first show of its kind that I can think of. All of the other Sci-Fi shows I can think of are just that: science fiction (with some lame attempts at drama thrown in). If you want good science fiction, with mediocre drama, then there are already several flavors of Star Trek. I'm not knocking Star Trek (I'm a fan), but not every science fiction show has to fit within that mold. It is my opinion that the reason BSG is so successful is that it does not strive to be like Star Trek.

I'm so glad you cleared that up, being a recognized authority and such...wait, you're only a frakkin' financier????

What the frak do you take us for????

Move along, this argument is pointless and someone is starting to look like a troll.


I'm sure you'll be happy to learn that along with funding a few technology venture deals in the recent past, I'm also a full time portfolio manager with a technology focus. Knowing about technology and science IS my business. :cool:

JCC,

Those are great examples to illustrate technological progression, but they don't carry over logically to the point you are trying to make. We do not know that curing cancer would logically precede traveling faster than light.


I guess we'll just have to disagree on this... :(

It is my opinion that the reason BSG is so successful is that it does not strive to be like Star Trek.

Compared to the Star Trek franchise BSG is anything but successful.

Don't get me wrong I love BSG, but when comparing the two and implying that BSG is even remotely successful compared to any Star Trek except the last incarnation is not reasonable.

First off, I never implied that BSG was as successful as Star Trek. Please reread my quote and don't infer anything that isn't written. I said "...the reason BSG is successful is that it does not strive to be like Star Trek." It is the top rated show on Sci-Fi, so in that respect it is a success. So far, BSG is successful and I hope it continues to be. You can't measure the show's success against Star Trek, which has (40?) years of TV, movies, fans, and history. Let's be realistic.