Not more successful, but a far better show.

There are a few who dislike BSG, & some who dislike Lost. That's fine, but it's funny how they come back to the threads after each ep with a new rant about how much they dislike them. Sometimes it's the same old rant.

I actually LIKE the show. I just don't like the fact that it gets its facts wrong and I can easily see the fallacies.

I actually LIKE Lost also, it's just that you can easily see that the writers are just dragging the plot along with no particular direction. There's no point to the show. The name of the show not only points to status of the protagonists but also to the audience.

I actually LIKE the show. I just don't like the fact that it gets its facts wrong and I can easily see the fallacies.


How can a show with fictional characters, a fictional place and a fictional premise get "facts" wrong? The "facts" are whatever the writers deem them to be, be it traveling at the speed of light in ships made of wood or that humans can have four arms, it's all what the writer decides are the "facts" of his story.

You need to read what I wrote above to see the reason why.

But see, that's my point. SciFi fans like SciFi precisely because they like the Sci part of the term. Because without the Sci, SCi Fi is just Fi, or fiction.

That's ridiculous. It's the fiction that is appealing. At least for me, I'd prefer more Fictional Science than Scientific Fiction - not confined to the relatively primitive level of understanding that we currently have.

You need to read what I wrote above to see the reason why.
Read what? The fact is, Battlestar Galactica is a creation of someone's imagination, and "facts" that are part of that imagination are just that, the facts can be whatever that imagination says they are.

science fiction

NOUN:

A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

That covers a whole lot of ground...because certain aspects of this fantasy are not logical to you, it doesn't matter. Again, it's whatever the creator decides it to be.

Now if this show were a documentary, then I would have to agree with you, but it's not, it's fiction.

I just don't like the fact that it gets its facts wrong and I can easily see the fallacies.

I see your main complaint is that is doesn't fit with the theory you linked -- basically that scientific advances essentially come together and basically at the same speed.

My take:
1) the theory itself it pretty questionable. There seem to be many cultures that have been far more advanced in one area than another. Easy Western European example: Man developed the ability to fly well before he had the ability to treat almost any infectious disease. Effective antibiotics took at least a couple decades if not close to half a century after the Wright Brothers before they were easily available.

2) Even if the underlying theory is remotely relevant, it seems you are ranking which developments should proceed together in your own mind. Technological advances frequently seem to far exceed advances in Biological Sciences. Even one of the examples -- microscope/germ seems to be possibly flawed as the germ theory of illness wasn't accepted by modern science until the late 1800's (a good 2 centuries after the discovery of cells and bacteria) but in non Western cultures the idea of a contagious particle that passed person to person was suggested thousands of years ago. The microscope itself played little if any role in the development of the proof the Infections were caused by small living organisms.

How difficult a problem is to solve often is a flaw in perception. I should be harder to fly men to the moon or launch interstellar probes than cure a cold (apparent interscience dissonance) or a 'simple common' cold should be much easier to cure than a lethal cancer (same science dissonance). Turned out the "cold" required far more advanced scientific advances than essentially curing Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia -- the most common type of Pediatric Leukemia which has gone from a death sentence even in the early 70's to a 95+% cure rate in the late 90's.


I personally enjoy the heck out of this show beyond anything I've seen in decades and find the dissection of each minute detail to be just bizarre. "FTL can't work like that" 'why the 33 minutes in the first episode? The directors/writing owe us a detailed explanation or it's just a travesty ...." "If they can do 'x' then they have to be do 'y.'" "The cylons all have a USB port in their arm, it's so stupid that nobody can just Xray/exam/biopsy the arm and find it" "Military/Politicians/Dissidents don't act like that therefore ... "

So far I've seen very few internal inconsistencies within the show's episodes that can't be easily explained. Other than a couple just in the nick of time plot points -- Roslin's late minute cure being the biggest -- everything else in this show seems to be following a pretty broad and consistent logical plan internally.

Obviously all IMO.

Well jcc, if it bothers you so much there's always other things to watch. May I suggest "reality TV", Desperate Housewives, or Dancing with the Stars? :p

Cancer was chosen as a dramatic choice. Deal with it.

Watch it or do not watch it. Why bother telling the world that a television show isn't conforming to a whacked theory that not everyone believes in. And again, that what you mentioned is theory and not hard truth.

That's ridiculous. It's the fiction that is appealing. At least for me, I'd prefer more Fictional Science than Scientific Fiction - not confined to the relatively primitive level of understanding that we currently have.

I have to agree with you there. This is why Azimov, Heinlien, Clark ,etc are so wonderful to read. They put the believable Fi in Science Fiction. :)

EDIT: I should add though I personally like tech-babble that makes sense to a point. I also like props on a Show or Movie that are believable too. I have seen Sci-Fi movies that when you look at the control panels closely they were Commodore 64 Keyboards... :rolleyes:

Other than a couple just in the nick of time plot points -- Roslin's late minute cure being the biggest -- everything else in this show seems to be following a pretty broad and consistent logical plan internally.Going in another direction; I didn't have a problem with her cure, just her reaction or lack of reaction to it. I mean, is she aware of her curing procedure? I would assume she is, but I've yet to hear her comment on it. The other issue for me is Athenas' Arrow. This seems to be forgotten also....

I believe they will get back to the Arrow arc next season....seems they have too. That is the crux for the trip to Earth!

I have to agree with you there. This is why Azimov, Heinlien, Clark ,etc are so wonderful to read. They put the believable Fi in Science Fiction. :)

EDIT: I should add though I personally like tech-babble that makes sense to a point. I also like props on a Show or Movie that are believable too. I have seen Sci-Fi movies that when you look at the control panels closely they were Commodore 64 Keyboards... :rolleyes:

My favorite is an Outer Limits episode where the control unit to open the time portal was our beloved Radio Shack SPL meter. Maybe Amanda Plummer was checking the frequency response of the time warp.

Killing serial killers before their first kill.....one of my favorite OL episodes.

And wasn't that pretty much the premis behind Minority Report? Except for the preemtive execusion that is.

Read what? The fact is, Battlestar Galactica is a creation of someone's imagination, and "facts" that are part of that imagination are just that, the facts can be whatever that imagination says they are.

science fiction

NOUN:

A literary or cinematic genre in which fantasy, typically based on speculative scientific discoveries or developments, environmental changes, space travel, or life on other planets, forms part of the plot or background.

That covers a whole lot of ground...because certain aspects of this fantasy are not logical to you, it doesn't matter. Again, it's whatever the creator decides it to be.

Now if this show were a documentary, then I would have to agree with you, but it's not, it's fiction.


You need to distingush between SciFi and Fantasy, they're different genres. One is based on scientific facts as we know it and the other is based on imagination. Which did you think the producers of BSG was aiming for? So why not call it for what it is? Why is it that some of you have so much hesitation with the fact that without credible scientific framework, this show is a fantasy?



2) Even if the underlying theory is remotely relevant, it seems you are ranking which developments should proceed together in your own mind. Technological advances frequently seem to far exceed advances in Biological Sciences. Even one of the examples -- microscope/germ seems to be possibly flawed as the germ theory of illness wasn't accepted by modern science until the late 1800's (a good 2 centuries after the discovery of cells and bacteria) but in non Western cultures the idea of a contagious particle that passed person to person was suggested thousands of years ago. The microscope itself played little if any role in the development of the proof the Infections were caused by small living organisms.

How difficult a problem is to solve often is a flaw in perception. I should be harder to fly men to the moon or launch interstellar probes than cure a cold (apparent interscience dissonance) or a 'simple common' cold should be much easier to cure than a lethal cancer (same science dissonance). Turned out the "cold" required far more advanced scientific advances than essentially curing Acute Lymphocytic Leukemia -- the most common type of Pediatric Leukemia which has gone from a death sentence even in the early 70's to a 95+% cure rate in the late 90's.


So you’re saying that we could have linked bacteria to illnesses WITHOUT the discovery of the microscope? That is just silly.

Modern medicine has always been more concerned about curing illnesses that are life threatening first. A common cold is not a life threatening disease (not withstanding the elderly and the infirm) so there's no real reason to find a cure. It’s a waste of our resources. There are so many other diseases that are of more immediate concern. You can see this in action at an ER where if you have a paper cut you would be the last in line. That's just common sense. The other thing that's very different in medicine compared to other disciplines is the human factor. It's also the cause of why medical discoveries come at a slower pace. Testing takes many years because human lives are at stake. The recent drug trial disaster in England for example should give anyone pause as to the speed to which these tests should be conducted. But that's not to say that we haven't made great strides in medicine. Many cancers have survival rates that are many folds higher than just 20 years ago. In fact, breast cancer deaths will probably be eliminated in 10 years at the rate that we’re going. AIDS deaths, for example, took only about 15 years for to go from 100% fatality rate to less than 5% for those with access to the most modern meds. Currently, scientists are hard at work to find a vaccine to the avaian flu. It would probably take only a couple of years for that to take place. There will be some wondrous cures for many diseases if we can get the religious right to back away from the stem cell issue. These discoveries are happening at a faster pace precisely because of advances in other scientific disciplines. To say that these discoveries could happen in a vacuum is just silly.

"If I have seen further it is by standing on ye shoulders of Giants." --Isaac Newton

Well jcc, if it bothers you so much there's always other things to watch. May I suggest "reality TV", Desperate Housewives, or Dancing with the Stars? :p

Cancer was chosen as a dramatic choice. Deal with it.

Watch it or do not watch it. Why bother telling the world that a television show isn't conforming to a whacked theory that not everyone believes in. And again, that what you mentioned is theory and not hard truth.

Like I said earlier, I like the show. I just watch it with my eyes open... :p

It's NOT a theory. Name me one object that humans created without the help of more than one sicentific discipline.

That's ridiculous. It's the fiction that is appealing. At least for me, I'd prefer more Fictional Science than Scientific Fiction - not confined to the relatively primitive level of understanding that we currently have.


Yea, there's another name for that, FANTASY. ;)

So you’re saying that we could have linked bacteria to illnesses WITHOUT the discovery of the microscope? That is just silly.

Silly in what way? There was plenty of belief in cleanliness preventing certain diseases 3-4K years before the microscope. They didn't know what to call the 'unseen' causative agent, but deduced it was a contagious unseen or too small to be seen particle and using handwashing or certain chemicals prevented illness. There were cultures who pretty much assumed it was a living particle of some sort though they didn't know exactly how small it was or to call it a bacteria.

During the Black Plague, there were quite a few places that avoided massive death tolls because they followed a policy to prevent contagion (burning clothes/certain property) of the dead, burying/burning human and dead animals away from the living situation. They didn't know of bacteria, but certain knew there was something unseen that could be passed through contact that wasn't evil spirits or Bad Humours or Too Hot/Too Cold.

The microscope allowed them to see the particles for the first time, but the facts seem pretty clear that they knew of the existence of such things before they could prove it.

The first Vaccination for SmallPox was used long before the classic Jenner type vaccine was discovered. A couple centuries B.C it was known that if you took the scab from a smallpos victim and inhaled a crushed solution or even ingested it, it contained something that could make you less susceptible to the severe form of the disease. Scraping pus from a certain stage of smallpox lesion into a scratch on the skin would allow you to get a mild form of the disease or escape it alltogether. Viruses weren't "seen/proven" until mid 1900's, but everyone knew a super small germ of some sort was responsible for the infection.

You need to distingush between SciFi and Fantasy, they're different genres. One is based on scientific facts as we know it and the other is based on imagination. Which did you think the producers of BSG was aiming for? So why not call it for what it is? Why is it that some of you have so much hesitation with the fact that without credible scientific framework, this show is a fantasy?

You can call it anything, scifi, fantasy, whatever, the fact is that it is a creative, imaginative, work of fiction. Within that work of fiction, if they can travel faster than light but haven't cured cancer, so what..? That's the universe that the writers have created. If the complaint is that it's not logical, or that it doesn't make sense and that detracts from your enjoyment of the show, well, everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Personally, incidental "facts" about the universe that the writers have created doesn't bother me one bit, it's the play on political, sociological, religious and everyday human interactions that makes this show great in my mind, not the fact that the have not cured cancer. That has such an insignificant impact on the story that for me, it's meaningless.

Like I said earlier, I like the show. I just watch it with my eyes open... :p

It's NOT a theory. Name me one object that humans created without the help of more than one sicentific discipline.
jcc - you have an interesting take, but it is obviously not gaining traction. Before we completely kill off this thread with rancor, perhaps we could all agree to disagree? :)

As to your point above, Im sure you remember that several key technology advances that people developed were done before we had a firm understanding of "why" they worked. How would you reconcile the process we are experiencing of creating further and further specialized fields? Also, while I agree that there is a bit less science in BSG than, say, ST: TNG, one can excuse many of the plot issues surrounding this by remebering the show's premise: these people are refugees who were lucky enough to be in-transit at the point at which the Cylons attacked. It's not like they were able to pack up their entire civilization's knowledge and bring it with them.

Some examples of the above, btw:
- The wedge, the lever, et al., stone age tools
- Boats were built before we understood fluid flow or hydrodynamics
- Celestial bodies were used for navigation and calendars well before Copernicus
- Etc.

Later,
Bill

I think the troll has been fed enough.

I honestly could care less if it doesn't qualify as science fiction...most sci fi is so full of crap anyways, it qualifies for more fantasy than BSG doesn't.

You can bitch till the cows go to the grinder, it won't change the fact that the writers wanted to use Cancer instead of mumbo jumbo space illness that will kill you because there is no treatment at that late a stage of it.

I think the discussion has been rather amusing, given that there is no cure for cancer at the present time "in reality".

Neither are there any sentinent robots (as far as I know Honda's Asimo hasn't ever refused to follow orders) nor are there any faster than light vehicles.

Although they are a staple of science fiction, self-aware robots and FTL ships are fantasy accepted as science. Trouble is, these two conventions have been around so long, I suspect some people have just decided that it is "just a matter of time" that we will have HAL, or COLOSSUS, or Cylon beings. As for FTL, the argument I have heard is that people said the sound barrier couldn't be broken, yet it was, so the light barrier just needs the right type of engine. It isn't quite the same thing.

As for FTL, the argument I have heard is that people said the sound barrier couldn't be broken, yet it was, so the light barrier just needs the right type of engine. It isn't quite the same thing.

True, but once we discover dilithium, it's only a matter of time. ;)

Ach, ay, me poor engines kin only run on that!

But the delicate processes involved in dilithium mining (and C-OSHA regulations) require the absolute cure for halitosis and flatulence.

v/r,
C-F

Zero point modules would be a better option, hard to come by though.

Zero point modules would be a better option, hard to come by though.

Or we can just wait for the Asgard to show up and they can just do it all for us.

Asgard = Deus Ex Machina

Asgard = Deus Ex Machina

Of course, considering it is the Cylons, their god probably IS a machine.

Asgard = Deus Ex Machina


Asgards wrote the game Deus Ex? :p

*token girl on this board gets a technobabble-induced headache*

Also, the Asgard are really kinda creepy...

*token girl on this board gets a technobabble-induced headache*

Also, the Asgard are really kinda creepy...

Hey, whats not to love about know-it-all, smart-ass, naked grey aliens?

Only the know-it-all, smart-ass, naked and grey part :)

Their big heads and eyes are just creepy. Though Thor was kinda cute for some reason...

True, but once we discover dilithium, it's only a matter of time.....or Folger's crystals?....

Ah, the doldrums are setting in. Nothing to talk about, so we talk about nothing, endlessly. Season Three, where are you?

Ah, the doldrums are setting in. Nothing to talk about, so we talk about nothing, endlessly. Season Three, where are you?

If you think this is bad, we have seven more months of it. :eek:

And with the thread moved, if I unsubscribe, I may never find it again. Decisions, decisions...


Speaking of the thread move, I've noticed the HD BSG thread is not active in the HD programming forum. No one watching over there wants to comment? There are certainly some who waited and are just seeing Season 2.5 for the first time.

Ah, the doldrums are setting in. Nothing to talk about, so we talk about nothing, endlessly.
If you want a pickup argument or just some random rudeness or troll spotting- head over to the HD/BluRay DVD area of the forum. You'll be in the fray with just a single post! I guarantee it.
Always something interesting going on over there.... :D

I just don't see why they didn't have any have armed forces on the surface of New Caprica for just-in-case. The orbital patrol was useless without anyone to pilot the vipers. And it looked like everyone below were far more interested in forming a labor union than practicing safety first.

The cylons really could've pulled a Pearl Harbor if they wanted, but I guess they're sticking with their plan, whatever that is. The humans haven't learned from their enemy. Remember, they threw the priest (Dean--and that was hilarious) into the brig shouting he was not a cylon. Rule number 1; they lie. I know I would've had a personal bag of tricks within my tent for such occassions.

I just don't see why they didn't have any have armed forces on the surface of New Caprica for just-in-case. The orbital patrol was useless without anyone to pilot the vipers. And it looked like everyone below were far more interested in forming a labor union than practicing safety first.

The cylons really could've pulled a Pearl Harbor if they wanted, but I guess they're sticking with their plan, whatever that is. The humans haven't learned from their enemy. Remember, they threw the priest (Dean--and that was hilarious) into the brig shouting he was not a cylon. Rule number 1; they lie. I know I would've had a personal bag of tricks within my tent for such occassions.

At the very least there is some sort of law enforcement, Baltar hinted at this when he threatened to arrest the labor union leaders. But I wouldn't think they would have enough to hurt the Cylons much maybe piss them off a bit though!

I just don't see why they didn't have any have armed forces on the surface of New Caprica for just-in-case. The orbital patrol was useless without anyone to pilot the vipers. And it looked like everyone below were far more interested in forming a labor union than practicing safety first.

The cylons really could've pulled a Pearl Harbor if they wanted, but I guess they're sticking with their plan, whatever that is. The humans haven't learned from their enemy. Remember, they threw the priest (Dean--and that was hilarious) into the brig shouting he was not a cylon. Rule number 1; they lie. I know I would've had a personal bag of tricks within my tent for such occassions.


The moment they tied themselves to that planet and put the bulk of their population on it they were basically unable to defend themselves. As a fleet they could jump away at a minute's notice. Not so after they colozined.

Lee recognized this right away, and convinced Adama there was nothing they could do but jump away with what ships they could.

They were counting on their remaining undetected as their only real defense. Alas, thanks to Baltar screwing them over yet again, it didn't last.

"As President Baltar is sworn in, his Cylon lover, Gina, enacts a final vengeance against the fleet, detonating a nuclear warhead that destroys the Cloud Nine luxury liner. Despite the tragic loss of several ships, colonization of the planet"

So it was just the Colonists "bad luck" that the Cylons detected the nuclear blast which led them to New Caprica?

The moment they tied themselves to that planet and put the bulk of their population on it they were basically unable to defend themselves. As a fleet they could jump away at a minute's notice. Not so after they colozined.

Lee recognized this right away, and convinced Adama there was nothing they could do but jump away with what ships they could.

They were counting on their remaining undetected as their only real defense. Alas, thanks to Baltar screwing them over yet again, it didn't last.Agreed, but they really needed some sort of precaution (National Guard) down below and rotating fighter pilots as part of Orbital Defense. They'd have two weeks on duty, two weeks off; rinse, repeat etc. Carelessness on the humans' part, but still a good cliff-hanger ep.

So it was just the Colonists "bad luck" that the Cylons detected the nuclear blast which led them to New Caprica?So the cylons claim. I think the nuke signal was purposely intended to give away the human's position, once activated.

Perhaps it was President Baltars' idea to pretty much dismantle the military, leaving the colony in the sad state that it is....and likely against Adamas' wishes.

So now we have to wait until October to find out? :mad:

I would like to see episode 220 on UNIHD... any time-frame for that?

So the cylons claim. I think the nuke signal was purposely intended to give away the human's position, once activated.

Perhaps it was President Baltars' idea to pretty much dismantle the military, leaving the colony in the sad state that it is....and likely against Adamas' wishes.

Most of the Technical trained Military members were pulled off the ship because they have the skills needed to establish the planet per the Presidents Order.

So now we have to wait until October to find out? :mad:

I would like to see episode 220 on UNIHD... any time-frame for that?

The UHD BSG schedule (http://www.universalhd.com/Schedule/search.bravo?month=2006-04&time_zone=PT&keyword=Battlestar) shows "Downloaded" on April 30th. If my math and calendar are correct, that would have the final episode two weeks later on May 14th.

Most of the Technical trained Military members were pulled off the ship because they have the skills needed to establish the planet per the Presidents Order.Right, it looks as if Baltar was "working it" pretty hard himself. :D

Anybody know when season 2.5 will be released on DVD?

Anybody know when season 2.5 will be released on DVD?

I'm hoping soon, and I'm hoping they release an entire season on one set to go along with the 2.5 set, as I didn't buy 2.0 yet.

Season 3 has started shooting apparently though.

Anybody know when season 2.5 will be released on DVD?
Rumor has it coming out in Sept 06.
Remember, it a rumor ;)

Campbell shares reason for leaving Galactica & Why Billy had to Die!


Part one of two.

http://mediablvd.com/magazine/index.php?option=com_magazine&func=show_article&id=84

**** Beware of possible season 2 spoilers ****

BATTLESTAR GALACTICA NEWS

Ron Moore teases Season Three

**** Beware mild spoilers for season 3 ****

http://www.gateworld.net/galactica/news/2006/03/ronmooreteasesseasonthree.shtml

BSG also won a Peabody award! Too lazy to link :)

and supposedly, a BSG comic book is in the works!

BSG also won a Peabody award! Too lazy to link :)

and supposedly, a BSG comic book is in the works!

and 2 Original BSG 2003 - 2006 Novels. :D

This just out. There is going to be spinoff from BSG called Caprica. Comes straight from SCI Fi. Supposed to take place years before the mini series.

Caprica (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=35773)

Good catch, thanks for posting that.

A prequel? Those haven't fared too well lately..and from the description it sounds almost like s soap. And more tech-y.

I'll be giving it a try though. Based on the description it doesn't sound to promising for me, but if it's half as good as BSG they'll have me.

This just out. There is going to be spinoff from BSG called Caprica. Comes straight from SCI Fi. Supposed to take place years before the mini series.

Caprica (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=35773)
It would be really great if "Caprica" would air during BSG's spring/summer hiatus, that way we would have new content for a good amount of time. But.... that makes too much sense...... :rolleyes:
I'm a bit concerned about Ronald D. Moore and David Eick now being forced to do double duty between shows??

This just out. There is going to be spinoff from BSG called Caprica. Comes straight from SCI Fi. Supposed to take place years before the mini series.

Caprica (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?category=2&id=35773)


That sounds like a BOMB! It will last a few episodes and then die a slow painful death.

I love BSG, as do most who have participated in this thread, but I have concerns about this. Sounds a bit like they're trying to "strike while the iron is hot" since BSG garners solid ratings for Sci-Fi, sells lots of DVD sets, and has won a fair amount of critical praise (not enough, IMO) including the recent Peabody Award.

The Sci-Fi channel would love to create a franchise like they've done with Stargate, but I'm not sure that's in the best interest of telling the BSG story. If Moore and Eick are as involved as they'd need to be to at least get the prequel off the ground, then their attention will necessarily be diverted and they'll be spread too thin. The brilliance of BSG is, in large part, tied to Ron Moore and his singular vision. There are many examples (Alias, Dead Like Me, The West Wing are some that pop immediately to mind) of the creative dive a hit show can take once the "showrunner" who created and sustains the show's vision (not to mention penning scripts and creating the characters' "voices") has his attention diverted by other projects. I don't want to see that happen to BSG. I'm not terribly enthused by this news; color me concerned. :(

I think the Caprica idea is a good one, but would prefer a handfull of BSG episodes with the older Adama thinking back to his youth (with him played by a younger actor, rather than mustached & hair-dyed)... Is Adama old enough to have been in the service during the Cylon War (~50 years ago).. if not, maybe we could see it through his eyes as a teen/preteen or something.

I think it would make a strong 2-3 episodes of BSG using the flashback method, but maybe not a dedicated series.

I'm a bit concerned about Ronald D. Moore and David Eick now being forced to do double duty between shows??Rick Berman could do it. :rolleyes:

I think the Caprica idea is a good one, but would prefer a handfull of BSG episodes with the older Adama thinking back to his youth (with him played by a younger actor, rather than mustached & hair-dyed)... Is Adama old enough to have been in the service during the Cylon War (~50 years ago).. if not, maybe we could see it through his eyes as a teen/preteen or something.Yeah--Adama did fight in the Cylon War, which was supposed to be 40 years back, making Olmos about the right age to play someone who'd been a young Viper pilot back then. I'm not sure how old William Adama is supposed to be; according to this backstory of the character (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Adama), he was already serving in the Colonial Navy when the war broke out. (His experience back then is supposedly the reason why he's so adamantly opposed to networking the Galactica's computers). You'd think that'd put him in his early- to mid-sixties.

"Caprica" could be the story of the first Cylon war, which would be potentially extremely interesting.

...
"Caprica" could be the story of the first Cylon war, which would be potentially extremely interesting.

Which actually could a lot of fun, since that would wind up being the time sequence of the ORIGINAL series. If you remember from the pilot, the museum on the Galactica had an original Cylon model which was the one we remember from the '70's. It would be amusing to have the old "by your command" models running around again!

Hopefully, with today's CGI, the older models will not look like men in robot suits carrying swords.

Hopefully, with today's CGI, the older models will not look like men in robot suits carrying swords.


Hey, I LIKE men in robot suits carrying swords!!!

http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2566

Rick Berman could do it. :rolleyes:

Oh God, no, nooooooooo

http://www.syfyportal.com/news.php?id=2566
Dystopic is fine, in so long as the characters are believable and the situations don't get devolve into archetypes. They will lose me when they get to cookie cutter acts of stupidty/bravery/cowardice/intelligence. Maybe William Gibson could hire on for a few story ideas...

Even more dark and bleak?? All right! Bring it on! I hate happiness.

I don't see how living under Cylon rule could be believable and not be darker than anything that's happened up to now.

With that rough of a planet, Baltar's¹ leadership, part of the fleet jumped away, and now bleakness on the² horizon -- when do they hit non-sustainable population numbers?

v/r,
C-F

¹[narcissistic, egotistical, pleasure-seeking, aggressive, selfish, and nihilist]
²[Cylon occupied]

Rick Berman could do it. :rolleyes:
Bring in Manny Coto :D :D

How much longer October when is the new season.

Bring in Manny Coto :D :D

He's been doing fine on Season 5 of 24!

Soory if this is already common knowledge...did a search with no hits.

When does the next season start on Sci-fi?

Soory if this is already common knowledge...did a search with no hits.

When does the next season start on Sci-fi?

Filming began in April for an October premiere of the third season on Sci-Fi. For some reason they decided to move away from the 6-month split seasons and go for a more "traditional" schedule with this show.

Filming began in April for an October premiere of the third season on Sci-Fi. For some reason they decided to move away from the 6-month split seasons and go for a more "traditional" schedule with this show.
Probably to better align with traditional Nielsen sweeps. My guess is that NBCU is wanting to see whether it can compete against the mainstream broadcast fodder, especially now that NBC's line-up is so tattered.

Can anyone help me get Season 2.5 in any format? No cable here. Thanks.

John

Can anyone help me get Season 2.5 in any format? No cable here. Thanks.

John

The SciFi channel or iTunes may have them available for download. If not, I expect the S2.5 DVD set to be released any day now, and hopefully it will have S2.0 along with it. I find the practice of splitting seasons into two DVD releases to be a particularly odious form of ripping off the dedicated fan. Let's hope it doesn't become a trend.

iTunes has all 20 eps of season 2 for $26. Not very good quality, but if you can't get them anywhere else they're acceptable.

I find the practice of splitting seasons into two DVD releases to be a particularly odious form of ripping off the dedicated fan. Let's hope it doesn't become a trend.Splitting the seasons into 2 DVD releases isn't the ripoff--charging more than half the price of a normal season-set for it is. Most season-sets for popular series hit the streets with list prices around $70; half of a BSG season is list-priced $50.

I doubt that they'll do it again, since they no longer intend to split the season into two parts with a 3 or 4 month break between.

The SciFi channel or iTunes may have them available for download. If not, I expect the S2.5 DVD set to be released any day now, and hopefully it will have S2.0 along with it. I find the practice of splitting seasons into two DVD releases to be a particularly odious form of ripping off the dedicated fan. Let's hope it doesn't become a trend.
Actually, S2.5 will be released (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=5801) on 9/16/06. It seems networks like releasing them 2 weeks to a month or so before the new season begins to drum up news and such. I find this very annoying, you'd think they'd release them a few months before so they can get new viewers caught up. Don't make much sense to me. If you're looking to get the entire season (2) to get caught up, torrent them now (assuming you have broadband) and save your money over i-tunes. You can find them in HD quality (should be able to for BSG) and they won't cost ya anything. If you need any help getting set up, PM me. When the 2.5 DVD does come out, buy that over the i-tunes. You won't regret saving your money for the DVD. One of the funniest extra's for me in S1 was seeing Jamie Bamber (Apollo) speak in his native English accent. Had no idea he was English, he does the American accent so perfectly. I laughed so hard when I heard him talk.

Actually, S2.5 will be released (http://www.tvshowsondvd.com/newsitem.cfm?NewsID=5801) on 9/16/06. It seems networks like releasing them 2 weeks to a month or so before the new season begins to drum up news and such. I find this very annoying, you'd think they'd release them a few months before so they can get new viewers caught up. Don't make much sense to me.

Yank, you speak the truth. I've been bellyaching over that for some time now. Doesn't make any sense to me either. You'd think the primary motivation for the studios would be to get latecomers caught-up over the summer in order to drive them to their TV's for the beginning of the next season (and hopefully they won't be DVR users so they'll watch the commercials).

I seriously question the whole "synergy" thing regarding releasing a box set right before the new season starts. That won't accomplish what they think it will; it will only keep people who are new to the series from wanting to begin watching it on TV. They'll just wait to rent the next year's DVD set and the studio has lost all those potential eyeballs, which is the primary funding source for their show! (I've seen this very thing happen with LOST twice last year.) Idiots; someone needs to send these guys back to business school. :mad:

Yank, you speak the truth. I've been bellyaching over that for some time now. Doesn't make any sense to me either.


You both make good points but you have to realize that moving the release of these items out a few weeks or a month puts them squarely into July/August. These months are not a good times at retail for this kind of entertainment. They get a much bigger return on their marketing dollar to release these once everyone is back from summer vacations and being outside so much.

You both make good points but you have to realize that moving the release of these items out a few weeks or a month puts them squarely into July/August. These months are not a good times at retail for this kind of entertainment. They get a much bigger return on their marketing dollar to release these once everyone is back from summer vacations and being outside so much.

I don't know that I buy that. If they release the DVD set in July/August, will it not still be on the shelves come October? They can still wait and spend most of their marketing budget at that time if they want, and still get much the same impact. And they will have achieved the other goal of letting people get caught up so that fresh eyeballs will be tuned to the show when it makes its fall debut. It's the up-front advertising sales that provide the bulk of the financial fodder for a network TV show. More eyeballs = more ad sales = more profit. And they're passing up an opportunity to get more eyeballs. Seems pretty obvious to me that approach would lead to the greatest overall financial gain. The fact that it would also be more viewer-friendly is beside the point (not that that's ever been much of a concern for them anyway).

Like I said above, someone needs to send these guys to business school. (I said back to business school before, but it's pretty clear most of these studio decision makers never went in the first place.)

No, nothing to post about Battlestar Galactica, but, I just watched Stargate: Atlantis in HD on The Movie Network from Star Choice, and whoa!!

SciFi Channel really, really, needs to go HD, I can't believe how good SA looked, it was outstanding, at times I could easily imagine I was watching an HD-DVD, no noise, great colors and detail, fantastic detail...although Battlestar Galactica has a different look to it than SA, it looked far better than any of the Universal-HD airings of BG.

Compared to SciFi channel airings of Stargate: Atlantis...the SciFi images, literally, look like bad internet video...all that background macroblocking? It's not there at all in the HD version, not to mention high detail, and colors.

Anyways, thought I would share that, and now, we can go back to looking forward to the horrendous PQ on SciFi when BG returns....

Anyways, thought I would share that, and now, we can go back to looking forward to the horrendous PQ on SciFi when BG returns....

Ah-HA! I knew you weren't going to be able to hold out for the UHD showings. You'll be slummin' just like the rest of us w/out that channel. BwaaaaHaHaHaHa! :D

Ah-HA! I knew you weren't going to be able to hold out for the UHD showings. You'll be slummin' just like the rest of us w/out that channel. BwaaaaHaHaHaHa! :D
No, I gave up the ghost starting with Season 2.0, there's no way I could wait until the UniHD airings. The content simply overides the loss of PQ, I would probably watch this show on internet video...maybe.. :p

SciFi Channel justs screams to be in HD though, even the space scenes in SA looked fantastic...at the rate were going BG may have concluded it's run before SciFi ever goes HD, and that sucks... :(

*COUGH* NBC's schedule is weak for Friday...why the frack can't they show an hour of BSG in HD? Get more viewers? Get more advertising money? Take a chance on a non-mainstream (though very popular) show? COME ON YOU WEAK-MINDED TV EXECS

Nothing new?

Has no one seen these?

Teaser for Season 3.0:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exMDFW2U2EU

Supposedly the new intro:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gFDON5ZAaa0&NR

The Season 3 teaser made me have goosebumps...October is still so far away

I'm not sure it was such a good thing for me to watch those two videos. I'm with you Lax01. October seems like an eternity.

I feel sorry for those who have resisted watching this series, for whatever reason.

I still have the last 3 episodes on dvr, will probably have to watch them again tonight. Can't wait for October.

Supposedly the new intro....Ahh! Supposedly is right....looks phony to me. Nice try, though.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/6155564.html

Battlestar Galactica targets Xbox Live

[UPDATE] TV special recapping Peabody-winning Sci-fi channel series will become first frakkin' full-length show available Microsoft's online service.
By Tor Thorsen, GameSpot
Posted Aug 10, 2006 3:15 am GMT

When it debuted in 2003, the new Battlestar Galactica was greeted with skepticism. After all, it was a remake of a 1970-'80s series with a strong cult following produced by the Sci-Fi Channel, a cable network then infamous for its low-budget TV movies of the week.


Surprisingly, Battlestar Galactica proved the naysayers wrong. Its innovative plotlines, which were created by ex-Star Trek: The Next Generation writer Ronald D. Moore, won it critical acclaim and solid ratings. The series has also garnered a major following for its unusually gritty atmosphere. Instead of the clean-cut, sober officers of the Star Trek shows, Galactica's crew is a unkempt, hard-drinking lot whose demoralized dialogue is peppered with the fictional expletive "frak."

In 2004, the show was picked up as a full-time series. It ended its most recent season, its second, in March with one of the more shocking cliffhangers in sci-fi television history. Such boldness helped the show win one of this year's Peabody Awards, the prestigious honor for excellence in broadcasting which it shared with CNN, NBC Nightly News, and South Park, amongst others.

The third season of Battlestar Galactica is premiering in October, and the Sci-Fi channel is pulling out all the stops to promote it. It has put together a television special, titled Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far, summing up the key events of the Battlestar Galactica mini series and its first two seasons. The special will air on all the cable stations owned by Sci-Fi parent NBC Universal, which includes Bravo and USA, as well as the West Coast affiliates of the NBC broadcast TV network.

NBC Universal will also be targeting gamers with its PR offensive by releasing The Story So Far on Xbox Live Marketplace in its entirety. Though both seasons of Battlestar Galactica are already available on iTunes, the special will be the "first longform program ever to be offered" on Xbox Live.

[UPDATE] NBC Universal reps told GameSpot that the Battlestar Galactica episode would be free of charge and available in mid-September. The rep was unclear as to the size of the download.

Unfortunately, the Xbox Live announcement had no information on the rumored Battlestar Galactica role-playing game which Moore mentioned when he spoke at the 2006 Game Developers Conference.

RE: the above. Below is two articles from the HOTP Thread (www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8181389#post8181389) including airtimes.

(Maureen Ryan is back from vacation. Hooray!)
TV Notebook
A 'Battlestar Galactica' refresher course
From Maureen Ryan’s Chicago Tribune blog “The Watcher” August 09, 2006

It’s less than two months until Season 3 of "Battlestar Galactica" begins Oct. 6, and the drumbeat of hype is beginning.

Sci Fi Channel has cooked up a special designed to help fans and newbies catch up on the stellar drama. “Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far” is a synergy-minded executive’s dream: It’ll air all across NBC Universal’s many cable, broadcast and online platforms.

From Sci Fi’s release: “Told through the voice of Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), the Secretary of Education-turned President-turned resistance leader on now Cylon-occupied New Caprica, ‘Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far’ will chronicle humanity’s costly struggle to survive against its deadliest enemy.”

If you’re lucky enough to live on the West Coast, you can catch “The Story So Far” at 10 p.m. West Coast time Sunday, after the football game.

Here are the other airings of the special, from Sci Fi’s press release (Note that all times below are Eastern time):

• Monday, August 28: Free on demand via Sci Fi’s cable affiliates
• Friday, September 15 at 12 a.m.: USA
• Sunday, September 17 at 7 p.m.: Universal HD
• Monday, September 18 at 9 a.m.: USA
• Friday, September 22 at 8 p.m.: Universal HD
• Friday, September 22 at 6 p.m.: Sleuth
• Friday, September 29 at 7 p.m: Bravo
• Saturday, September 30 at 11 a.m.: Bravo
• Saturday, September 30 at 4 p.m.: Universal HD
• September [date to be determined]: scifi.com’s Pulse
• Friday, October 6 at 7 p.m.: Sci Fi

There will be other Sci Fi airings in September and October, and the special will also be available for download on iTunes and XBox Live.

As for those upcoming “Battlestar Galactica” Webisodes, there’s no date yet on when they’ll debut.

By the way, there has been a rumor floating around that when “Battlestar” returns in October, Sci Fi will pair it with Season 2 of the newest incarnation of “Doctor Who.” I have reason to believe that may be true, though Sci Fi says it won’t make any official announcements until Thursday.

http://tempo.typepad.com/entertainment_tv/


Jim: It will be on NBC for those of us lucky enough to be on the correct coast. Here is the press release.
TV Notebook
VIEWERS PREPARE: THE RETURN OF 'BATTLESTAR GALACTICA'
One-Hour Recap Special Preps Viewers for the Season 3 Premiere
Sweeping Distribution to Include Online, In-Store, And On-Air Across Every NBC Universal Property

(NBC Universal Press Release) Published: August 9, 2006
NEW YORK -– August 9, 2006 –- After a long, hot summer, SCI FI Channel offers some sweet relief to 'Battlestar Galactica' devotees and new viewers alike – a one-hour recap special to whet their appetites for the series' season 3 premiere in October. Incorporating footage from the original SCI FI miniseries and the show's previous two seasons of the Peabody Award-winning series, 'Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far' will serve as a refresher for current fans and as a primer for anyone new to the world of Galactica.

Told through the voice of Laura Roslin (Mary McDonnell), the Secretary of Education-turned President–turned resistance leader on now Cylon-occupied New Caprica, 'Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far' will chronicle humanity's costly struggle to survive against its deadliest enemy.

In a broad synergistic move, 'Battlestar Galactica: The Story So Far' will air across all NBC Universal platforms – NBC, USA Network, Bravo, Sleuth, Universal HD, and online on SCIFI.COM's own broadband channel, 'Pulse.'

The special will be broadcast as follows:

Sunday, August 13 at 10PM NBC West Coast (following Football)
Monday, August 28 Free On Demand via SCI FI's cable affiliates
Friday, September 15 at 12AM USA
Sunday, September 17 at 7PM Universal HD
Monday, September 18 at 9AM USA
Friday, September 22 at 8PM Universal HD
Friday, September 22 at 6PM Sleuth
Friday, September 29 at 7PM BRAVO
Saturday, September 30 at 11AM BRAVO
Saturday, September 30 at 4PM Universal HD
September SCIFI.COM's Pulse
Friday, October 6 at 7PM SCI FI

*Other SCI FI airings TBD in Sept/Oct*

SCI FI's comprehensive promotional outreach will extend far beyond just the broadcasts. Throughout September and leading up to the season 3 premiere, 'The Story So Far' will also be made available for download via iTunes and XBox Live – the first longform program ever to be offered via XBox – and will be distributed at Best Buy as a bonus dvd with the 'Battlestar Galactica' season 2.5 dvd set, as well as other genre titles, from Universal Home Video. The dvd will also be distributed to visitors to the Universal Studios theme parks, and snippets of the special will be available on YouTube, Google Video and other video portal sites.

'Battlestar Galactica' is the gripping saga of humanity's last remnants and their struggle to find a new home while fleeing from their deadly Cylon enemies. Redefining the space opera with its gritty realism, 'Galactica's intensity, issues-driven topicality, and command performances have garnered it numerous awards, including the prestigious George Foster Peabody Award.

damn it must be close to Oct.

Yes, indeedy, it sho' is... :D

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Belly.gif

OMG! TURN THAT THING OFF!

Arg Only Universal Hd..........frack!

Yes, indeedy, it sho' is... Wha' the fraa....?

Yes, indeedy, it sho' is... :D


OMG....

Yes, indeedy, it sho' is... :D

http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Belly.gif


ROFLMAO!

FRACK!

The Resistance....Webisode 1 of 10....check it out...pretty interesting....

http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/home.html

excellent!!!

Yes, very cool! New BSG, just in the nick of time.

just watched it....pretty awesome...its on the front page of Scifi.com too!

Mmmmmmmmmm Cylons!


http://www1.ihatemycubicle.com/picts05-1/SKS-Stuff-Apr-2005-Trisha%20Helfer-004.jpg

... wow thats a machine i like to fack :-P

I also notice today on Comcast ON DEMAND will have BSG the day after it airs for free... if this is old story for a few, i am sorry but i just found today.

... wow thats a machine i like to fack :-P

I also notice today on Comcast ON DEMAND will have BSG the day after it airs for free... if this is old story for a few, i am sorry but i just found today.

that awesome...i wonder if it will be digital and widescreen....I don't think I could wait but if I missed it, I would definitely watch the On Demand version...

that awesome...i wonder if it will be digital and widescreen....I don't think I could wait but if I missed it, I would definitely watch the On Demand version...If it's VOD then by definition it's streaming digital video. I would strongly doubt either HD or widescreen.

I watched "The Story so far" on comcast on demand and it was not HD. The PQ was crap. So i imagine that when Season 3 shows up ON DEMAND, it will probably look crappy too.

If it's VOD then by definition it's streaming digital video. I would strongly doubt either HD or widescreen.
The original airing on NBC was in HD, it's possible Comcast OnDemand might have had it in HD.

Again, I doubt that you're going to see HD VOD for free any time soon. The cost in bandwidth is prohibitive, no matter how cleverly they structure their VOD system. (And. though the mini-series did, the episodes don't usually air on NBC at all--I wish :). Reruns do air in HD on UniHD).

Comcast does have HD VOD, for a price of course, as you note. If we're talking about the special where they recap the show and bring it up to the beginning of the coming season, that has already aired on NBC about 3-4 weeks ago and it was in HD.

Maybe he was talking about something else, the webisodes maybe..?

My fault, I re-read the post and he's talking about new episodes being on VOD the day after...some how I mixed up "the day after" with "the story so far". :o

I have a very limited "HD Tier" here... it consists of HDNet, HDMOV, ESPND, DISCHD, HBO, SHO (which I don't subscribe to) CINEMAX, NBC, CBS, FOX, ETV, TNTHD and UNIVERSALHD -- and THAT'S IT.

To be perfectly honest, I was a bit let down when I got HD that there was such a dearth of channels. I don't watch the ESPN... The Universal is split SO THIN, with NBC owning SO MANY THINGS... During the US Open, it had most of the USA Tennis matches, which was nice for me, since I'm a big US Open fan; They replayed all of last year's "Surface," which I watched last year, and I DID watch the final episode in HD on UNHD... But with USA, Sci-Fi, NBC and a half dozen other channels from which to choose for programming -- plus Universal movies, you can't really COUNT on much of anything.

HDNet is carrying some good older TV shows. While SciFi is carrying one old episode of EDITED "Dead Like Me" each Tuesday before "Eureka," HDNet is carrying two UNEDITED (this show ran on Showtime) episodes every Wednesday right now, starting at 8:30. Until I see them all, I'm watching both nights, but the HDNet viewings are certainly better, with no profanity, nudity, or graphic violence cut out... Same with HDMOV, but it's not working tonight, and the channel is actually ABOVE ESPND on the list, even though it's 771 and ESPND is 773.

So is this representative of what most of y'all get, too, or are there OTHER HD channels I just don't get (besides ABC, which I need to figure why my local cable provider isn't carrying). I mean, for all I know, there are A BUNCH of channels in HD, but the cable company just isn't willing to provide the extra bandwidth to dual broadcast more than what I'm getting (or more than what YOU'RE getting). Some of you have TVs with cards in them, and/or satellite service or possibly other viewing options... Be nice to know.

Happy Viewings!
Jeff

Check out the "The Official AVS HDTV Programming Synopsis (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=164671)" thread in the HDTV Programming (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/forumdisplay.php?f=34). It lists 45 total HD channels in the US, consisting of 17 over-the-air HD broadcasting networks and 28 HD cable and DBS channels. I somehow doubt that any cable system has all of them (one of them is satellite only). For one thing, it costs money to carry these services which they either pass on to everyone with increased rates or take a hit in their bottom line. For another, each of these channels consumes enough space to broadcast 4-6 SD digital channels (depending on the average bitrate of their content).

I too appreciated HDNet running Dead Like Me. I watched the entire 28 episode run over again after which they started over from the beginning. (I saw it on Showtime HD the first time around. The last episode ends on an appropriately "series finale" like note, though I don't think that they knew that it would be canceled when they shot it).

Darn those pesky Cylons!!!

http://cdn.maximonline.com/girls/grace_park/grace-park-gm_l3.jpg

Michael, to avoid any spoilers, let me ask you just ONE question to determine if the episode Sci-Fi ran last night WAS, indeed, that final episode (HDNet doesn't even seem to be running them in order all the time).

I don't think it will be a spoiler if you answer this, since it comes pretty close to the end of the episode, and based on the final voice-over lines of the episode, it really DID look like what you describe... Soooo, does Rube by any chance tell a "ghost story" in what ended up being the final episode?

Enquiring minds have to know.

As for those Cylons, man that Grace Park just keeps lookin' better and better, huh? I really like Boomer, too, because I really believe that at least ONE of her REALLY DOES want to be HUMAN... wants to fight AGAINST what the Cylons are doing, doesn't think they're right.

I know I'm looking forward to the new season. And if ANY cable channel needs to go Hi-Def NEXT, it's definitely the Sci-Fi channel. They have SO MUCH content that could benefit from Hi-Def broadcast (or rather WE could benefit from seeing it in high-def).

NBC/Universal, are you reading any of this? :)
Jeff

Michael, to avoid any spoilers, let me ask you just ONE question to determine if the episode Sci-Fi ran last night WAS, indeed, that final episode (HDNet doesn't even seem to be running them in order all the time).Read the following episode recap (it's the one that I think aired last night, based on the one that's scheduled to run next Tuesday; if you're not familiar with spoiler tags, just select the text to read it):George is induced to accompany her Happy Time co-workers on their annual woodland retreat. However, even there she can't escape from her duties as a reaper. Mason loses his post-it note with the name of the next soul to reap. Joy does her best to sell her house, much to Reggie's dislike, who scares them away saying that George, her late sister still keeps in touch with her from beyond the grave.If so, it's episode 18 of 28, appropriately entitled "Ghost Story". (That synopsis is from tv.com).

Note that Dead Like Me is off-topic in this thread. Of course, Season 2.5 of Battlestar Galactica is long over, so we're not really interrupting an active discussion :).

Season 3 premieres Friday @9pm. 2 hours.

Is that when SciFi starts their HD channel?? :rolleyes:

NBC/Universal-SciFi Channel=LOSERS!

If anyone has an Xbox 360, they have a BSG "desktop theme" and "gamer pictures" you can download for free.

On Ebert & Roeper last night, guest critic Kevin Smith said this is the smartest show on television, gripping, etc.

I am one of those who has decided to wait for HD.

On Ebert & Roeper last night, guest critic Kevin Smith said this is the smartest show on television, gripping, etc.

I am one of those who has decided to wait for HD.


First 13 minutes of Season 3 now available online at SciFi's website.

I probably won't watch it, but the other stuff (like the Grace Park interviews!) looks interesting. I need to catch up on the webisodes too...

Thanks for sharing!

Season 3 premieres Friday @9pm. 2 hours.

We need a season 3 Thread started please.

Yea, just renamed this thread to Season 3

Yea, just renamed this thread to Season 3

Huh? If so, it didn't "take".

Anyway, strap in folks, tonight's the night we've been waiting for. Woo-hoo! BSG is BACK!!

Huh? If so, it didn't "take".

Anyway, strap in folks, tonight's the night we've been waiting for. Woo-hoo! BSG is BACK!!

I can't wait but after watching it on my upsampling DVD player over the summer going back to SD is going to really suck.

I can't wait but after watching it on my upsampling DVD player over the summer going back to SD is going to really suck.

You can always wait 6 - 8 weeks for the season 3 episodes to begin showing on UHD :D

I don't get UHD so I'd have to wait for the DVD's. That AIN'T gonna happen. :)

Woo-hoo! BSG is BACK!!Yes indeedy, it sho' is!

gross-looking dude doing the jello-wave :eek:

Yes indeedy, it sho' is!

* gross-looking dude doing the jello-wave * :eek:
http://www.emotipad.com/newemoticons/Abduct.gif


Better? :D

^Oh, Dude, did you have to do that? Have some respect, man. It's a big night!


;)


Or, is that supposed to be Lee Adama in his new, slovenly state?

I've been thinking about this night all week. Now it's less than an hour away!!!

^Oh, Dude, did you have to do that? Have some respect, man. It's a big night!


;)


Or, is that supposed to be Lee Adama in his new, slovenly state?
Kinda looks like Lee doesn't it? :p

I thought it was Saul Tigh. He's had to spend too much time with Ellen on the surface.

T minus 15 minutes.

All I can say is WoW! Best show on TV, it made 2 hours go way to fast, I never got off the couch.

Way to go season 3.

damn.... this season is going to be dark as f*ck

Wow!!!

I guess Apollo really has let go.

I don't know how she does it, but we know that Roslin lives since the coming this season bit still shows her alive.

Great ep.

oh, and the swirl? I thought that was made up for a seinfeld episode. I laughed my ass off when they brought that up.

Oh yeah, and how many hybrid babies are there i wasn't paying much attention.
Dam cylons seam to be quite emotional and in need of love, humans are cold blooded terrorist types worship many gods. I'm watching it again.

Wow, they hit a homerun with this season opener, I don't see how it could have been any better...there is just soooo much going on, on so many levels, incredible, almost too much to take in with just one viewing. Easily the most intelligent, thought-provoking show on TV.

just finished watching it.. damn.. what a great show!!

Great opening episode with a wonderful cliff-hanger. I thought that Lee's fat facial make-up was a bit lopsided.
Oh yeah, and how many hybrid babies are there i wasn't paying much attention.Just the two that we know of--"Caprica" Sharon's baby with Helo (alive, unbeknownst to Helo, Sharon or her fellow Cylons) and Kasey, Starbuck's test-tube baby with Leoben Conoy. However, if they were able to create Kasey, you'd think that they'd have artificially conceived others, unless they ran out of host mothers.

Awesome season start!

What do you think will happen to Sharon's loyalty (now that she's legitamized again in the colonial fleet) when she finds out Hera is alive and was taken from her on the orders of Adama?

Wow. Just.....wow. I haven't seen 2 hours go by that fast since the last time I took a chemistry test. And that was a while ago. ;) How does this show manage to hit it out of the park every time?? I pity the fools that aren't watching this thing.

And tell me those frakkin' Cylons didn't just execute Laura and Tom Zarak!! :eek:

In the famous words of John Locke: I gotta' watch that again!

What do you think will happen to Sharon's loyalty (now that she's legitamized again in the colonial fleet) when she finds out Hera is alive and was taken from her on the orders of Adama?It was more like "with the collusion of Adama"; the President Roslin ordered it. She turned the baby over to its foster mother and asked whether she could check in on them from time to time. At the end of last season the woman seemed to be working with at Roslin's school on New Caprica.
And tell me those frakkin' Cylons didn't just execute Laura and Tom Zarak!! :eek:Okay--the Cylons didn't just execute Laura and Tom Zarak. Well, at least they didn't just execute Laura; as was pointed out above, she's seen in the "this season on Battlestar Galactica" teaser at the end of the broadcast.

Okay--the Cylons didn't just execute Laura and Tom Zarak. Well, at least they didn't just execute Laura; as was pointed out above, she's seen in the "this season on Battlestar Galactica" teaser at the end of the broadcast.

But what if that's a dream sequence!? :eek:

My favorite scene: Where Starbuck plunges a fork through (all the way through, mind you) Leoben's neck, calmly watches him die, then even more calmly goes back to finish her meal. :eek: :cool:

Wow!!!

I guess Apollo really has let go.

I don't know how she does it, but we know that Roslin lives since the coming this season bit still shows her alive.

Great ep.


Zareck was already dragging her towards the perimeter, so it looks like he gets her away. I hope Zareck made it, he deserves a far more painful death then just being shot by Cylons :-)

But what if that's a dream sequence!? :eek:

My favorite scene: Where Starbuck plunges a fork through (all the way through, mind you) Lebon's neck, calmly watches him die, then even more calmly goes back to finish her meal. :eek: :cool:
That was a great scene, her behavior afterwards being in the psychotic realm, and then, we find out that she's done it 4-5 times previously which added even more impact to the whole scene.

My question is, has Starbuck been broken as would seem to be the case by her observed affection for both the child and Leoben? I'm wondering if she's just playing him, I find it hard to believe our fiercest of warriors has given in, folded, capitulated.

Regarding the genocidal massacre scene I'm wondering if the gunfire we hear is really coming from the "Vichy police" and/or also the Resistance group that was meeting Sharon attacking the toasters just before they shoot the humans.

The talks between Adama and Sharon have been some of the best parts of this show.

Man, so much going on, I definitely have to watch it again.

At the end of last season the woman seemed to be working with at Roslin's school on New Caprica.

She's also been busy during the summer as Sheriff Carter's deputy on SciFi's Eureka. :)

That was a great scene, her behavior afterwards being in the psychotic realm, and then, we find out that she's done it 4-5 times previously which added even more impact to the whole scene.

My question is, has Starbuck been broken as would seem to be the case by her observed affection for both the child and Leoben? I'm wondering if she's just playing him, I find it hard to believe our fiercest of warriors has given in, folded, capitulated.

Regarding the genocidal massacre scene I'm wondering if the gunfire we hear is really coming from the "Vichy police" and/or also the Resistance group that was meeting Sharon attacking the toasters just before they shoot the humans.

The talks between Adama and Sharon have been some of the best parts of this show.

Man, so much going on, I definitely have to watch it again.
I watched the encore, so I sat and watched 4 Hours before I got up.

The season opener should win some award this year. WoW.

and is Starbuck still even close to having any sanity after 4 months of psychological torture?

I agree, I think the Resistance and BSG-Boomer are the ones opening fire.

But the episode was well laid out, and well played by all the cast members.

I was hoping for more of a reaction from Baltar, when they shot Caprica 6, but he has lost it.

I want more, I want More. Is it Friday Yet?

I'm glad the Colonials are finally seeing Baltar for what he is: Weak Coward (albeit a genius).

It was pretty impressive to see the courage the producers took in portraying the human resistance/freedom fighters using the same methods as terrorists (Specifically the suicide bombing parts). Desperate people taking desperate measures? Or people who have lost all perspective and now only want to hurt the other side? The parallels to many current events aren't lost upon even the most casual viewer.

The Cylons played the compassion card with Starbuck. The maternal instinct is strong, even though intellectually Starback has to know that the girl simply has some of her DNA, there isn't an emotional/physical bond between them. But who can ignore a fallen child? She has some tough choices ahead of her.

Lee sure did become a fat lazy turd :-) I'm already tired of it though, he needs to hit the the Slimfast and get back to being Apollo.

I guess only time will tell if Adm. Adama is a genius or a moron for trusting Caprica Sharon. I think the loneliness of Command forced him to turn to her as a confidant (he has noone else to talk to), and she worked it from there. She's gotten into head of every man she's set her eyes on. But we'll see how it pans out.

Glad to see Mr. Gaeta working with the resistance after pulling his head out of his *ss....he sure backed the wrong horse in Baltar, didn't he? I'll bet he wishes he hadn't blown the whistle on the election, now eh?

Overall a great beginning for this season.

Wow!!!

I guess Apollo really has let go.

I don't know how she does it, but we know that Roslin lives since the coming this season bit still shows her alive.

Great ep.


But what if that's a dream sequence!? :eek:

My favorite scene: Where Starbuck plunges a fork through (all the way through, mind you) Lebon's neck, calmly watches him die, then even more calmly goes back to finish her meal. :eek: :cool:

Thanks, archi for the save. I guess this is why I shouldn't read this thread.

I'm glad the Colonials are finally seeing Baltar for what he is: Weak Coward (albeit a genius).

It was pretty impressive to see the courage the producers took in portraying the human resistance/freedom fighters using the same methods as terrorists (Specifically the suicide bombing parts). Desperate people taking desperate measures? Or people who have lost all perspective and now only want to hurt the other side? The parallels to many current events aren't lost upon even the most casual viewer.

The Cylons played the compassion card with Starbuck. The maternal instinct is strong, even though intellectually Starback has to know that the girl simply has some of her DNA, there isn't an emotional/physical bond between them. But who can ignore a fallen child? She has some tough choices ahead of her.

Lee sure did become a fat lazy turd :-) I'm already tired of it though, he needs to hit the the Slimfast and get back to being Apollo.

I guess only time will tell if Adm. Adama is a genius or a moron for trusting Caprica Sharon. I think the loneliness of Command forced him to turn to her as a confidant (he has noone else to talk to), and she worked it from there. She's gotten into head of every man she's set her eyes on. But we'll see how it pans out.

Glad to see Mr. Gaeta working with the resistance after pulling his head out of his *ss....he sure backed the wrong horse in Baltar, didn't he? I'll bet he wishes he hadn't blown the whistle on the election, now eh?

Overall a great beginning for this season.


Agreed! I was hoping the occupation wasn't going to be another WWII take. Hopefully, the suicide bombers will put it into more of a current Middle East take.


On a different note, SciFi decided not to blow the gamma out on this season. It is greatly appreciated. Also, BSG decided to go in-house with the animation. It is the same method they used with the Scar episode. Was everyone satisfied with the quality of the animation? As I have told my best friend (who did some of the Toaster animation), I think a level of animation has been achieved that only the most critical people would point out the flaws.

I'm glad the Colonials are finally seeing Baltar for what he is: Weak Coward (albeit a genius). Realistically, what choice did he have? 6 said it best, "live to fight another day".

It was pretty impressive to see the courage the producers took in portraying the human resistance/freedom fighters using the same methods as terrorists (Specifically the suicide bombing parts). Desperate people taking desperate measures? Or people who have lost all perspective and now only want to hurt the other side? The parallels to many current events aren't lost upon even the most casual viewer.
Agreed, I'm not very happy at the turn of things, especially when it involves killing your own. I can blame it all on Tigh though, seemingly a firm believer in "the ends justify the means" and my least favorite character. I don't even think the ends are desirable in this case, leading to the Cylon crackdown and more human lives lost.

I guess only time will tell if Adm. Adama is a genius or a moron for trusting Caprica Sharon. I think the loneliness of Command forced him to turn to her as a confidant (he has noone else to talk to), and she worked it from there. She's gotten into head of every man she's set her eyes on. But we'll see how it pans out.
She may very well quit/disobey command and turn against Adama/Roslin when she finds out her baby is alive, and she'll be justified to do it.

Glad to see Mr. Gaeta working with the resistance after pulling his head out of his *ss....he sure backed the wrong horse in Baltar, didn't he? I'll bet he wishes he hadn't blown the whistle on the election, now eh?Sorry, I disagree. :) Again a case of the ends (Roslin becoming pres) not justifying the means (stealing the election).


Overall a great beginning for this season.
In total agreement!

She's also been busy during the summer as Sheriff Carter's deputy on SciFi's Eureka. :)

That's Jo???!!! I am in with the other who "gotta watch that again"...including the season finale of Eureka.

Also, BSG decided to go in-house with the animation. It is the same method they used with the Scar episode. Was everyone satisfied with the quality of the animation? As I have told my best friend (who did some of the Toaster animation), I think a level of animation has been achieved that only the most critical people would point out the flaws.

Does that mean that Zoic is no longer involved with the vfx on this show? They're doing it all in-house now? Has that ever been done by a sci-fi series before?

just watched season opener on DVR. HOLY SH**. What a beginning. This episode should be considered for an Emmy. i watched it twice. the writing is excellent.

its great how they use the current Iraq war for comparison. this show is great with the moral questions it always seems to bring up.

Excellent writing BSG keep it up. This show belongs on prime time.

Realistically, what choice did he have? 6 said it best, "live to fight another day".


Do you think Roslin would have collaborated, even under threat of death? And this has been a 14month long saga of bad leadership, from the moment he won the election until now. Bad decision making, poor leadership, then collaboration.

Anyway, my point was, the Colonists hate him now, and I'm enjoying that. He deserves their hatred as much for the things they know about, but even more for the things they don't.



Agreed, I'm not very happy at the turn of things, especially when it involves killing your own. I can blame it all on Tigh though, seemingly a firm believer in "the ends justify the means" and my least favorite character. I don't even think the ends are desirable in this case, leading to the Cylon crackdown and more human lives lost.


Blame the writers, not Tigh. :-) That's the direction they chose. There's always the one radical leader for whom the end will always justify the means. They chose Tigh, and it fits him. They took his eye for frak's sake :-)



Sorry, I disagree. :) Again a case of the ends (Roslin becoming pres) not justifying the means (stealing the election).



Not sure you understood what I meant. I'm not saying that *I* would have been ok with stealing the election. Just that Gaeta probably wishes he'd kept his mouth shut when he saw the voting irregularities. He's seen the results of that decision, and they ain't pretty. Zarek (that most cynical of men) even commented on it.

That's Jo???!!! I am in with the other who "gotta watch that again"...including the season finale of Eureka.
Yup. Maya and Joe.

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It was more like "with the collusion of Adama"; the President Roslin ordered it. She turned the baby over to its foster mother and asked whether she could check in on them from time to time. At the end of last season the woman seemed to be working with at Roslin's school on New Caprica.
Okay--the Cylons didn't just execute Laura and Tom Zarak. Well, at least they didn't just execute Laura; as was pointed out above, she's seen in the "this season on Battlestar Galactica" teaser at the end of the broadcast.


I'm pretty sure we will find that Gaeta some how got word of the convoy to the resistance and that the gunfire we heard was from the colonials attacking the Cylon executioners.

I really enjoyed last night's episode, but at times the heavy handed political allegory took me out it a bit. I've always liked the BSG played around with the themes and aspects of our real life situation (Iraq, 9/11, etc), but always without being to heavy handed. Last night it was a little bit too much at times, IMHO.
The whole storyline with Starbuck is really amazing and unique, you can tell the whole experience is going to leave the formally cocky and carefree woman with some serious psychological baggage.

What do you think will happen to Sharon's loyalty (now that she's legitamized again in the colonial fleet) when she finds out Hera is alive and was taken from her on the orders of Adama?

The problem with trusting Sharon is not knowing how permanent her self-awareness is. Can she even trust herself. She could be truly committed to Adama and the fleet but I would always be afraid of a "back-door", so to speak, where the other Cylons could change her programing on the fly. She may be self-aware but she is still a machine afterall.

Adama also should have hid a tatoo or a chip on her as well, as it would be way to easy for the Cylons to swap her with a "bad" Sharon and cause all kinds of trouble.



A couple other notes:

Tigh, is ultimately going to have to kill his own wife. I just don't see any other end game for those two.

Baltar is never going back to the fleet. He is finished with other humans. A total pariah.

I was certain we would see another Cylon model around that table but unless Baltar is a Cylon we are still stuck at 7 of 12.

Didn't you just love the scene with Tyrol talking to Jammer about stinging up people like Gaeta? Not knowing that Gaeta is his source and a hero of the resistance and that Jammer is a traitor and collaborator that dragged his wife out of the very same tent they were in front of. Complicated stuff.

For a second, I thought Dean Stockwell was talking about Bush and Iraq when he was chastising the other Cylons for thinking the Humans would have welcomed them.

You just know that Leoban threw that kid down the stairs while Starbuck was out. They probably have 4 more in a back room. Starbuck should have killed it herself. I can't believe she is falling for this whole brainwash setup.

Yup. Maya and Joe.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/Maya.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v637/keenanj/eureka2.jpg

Son of a gun! Thanks for the pictures....(and totally O.T. the Eureka season finale was very well done.)

Back to BSG: How the heck did Lee Adama get so large in so short a time????

I can't wait until next week. The preview seemed to indicate something some of us have suspected about Baltar for a while (which of course, could just be another red herring).

Babes of Battlestar Galactica

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Babes of Battlestar Galactica

http://tv.msn.com/tv/gallery.aspx?gallery=13608&GT1=7703

Is it just me or does Katee Sackhoff look like crap in all those pictures?

So does Tricia Helfer.

Does that mean that Zoic is no longer involved with the vfx on this show? They're doing it all in-house now? Has that ever been done by a sci-fi series before?

I talked to my friend today and he is not totally in the loop. You will have to check the credits. He is almost positive that Zoic is out and is pretty sure Atmosphere in Canada is out. He said there are a handfull of people that are now employed in-house doing the animation. He did mention that he may have lunch with some of the guys soon.

Maybe that means we'll see more FX because they can do it more economicaly.

Why the hell can't this show be broadcast in HD in it's first airings somewhere? The show is shot with HD cameras! If NBC was ever considering picking it up, they messed up by not doing it. What a shame. The best show on television, easily. Lost is good and I was thinking Heroes was decent, but those shows really pale in comparison to BSG, even in monophonic SD. The quality of the writing, acting and directing just continues to blow me away.

Back to BSG: How the heck did Lee Adama get so large in so short a time????



14 months is plenty of time to put on 30 lbs or so.

14 months is plenty of time to put on 30 lbs or so.

Oh, of course. I was thinking about Roslyn writing about the 4 months of Cylon occupation...but they had already been on New Caprica for a year before that.

Anyone else think that Dean Stockwell's Brother Cavil character has some of the best oneliners? The comment about the Cylons building the toasters without free will so they couldn't rebel....

I just finished watching and this is simply the best show on tv. I just wish more people were watching.

I think they sent Roslin out there to watch the execution thus she was never intended to be killed. Someone has to go back to report the massacre in all of the gory emotional details. I may be wrong but why would they stop and execute the people anywhere near where they know the Resistance is meeting. That would mean Zarek is dead unless they wanted more than one witness.

I agree with the sentiments above. BSG is quickly becoming my favorite show of all time. I was just slightly concerned at the end of last season about the direction the show was going. But I decided to trust the writers who haven't let me down yet, and they are pulling it off! The premiere was absolutely devastating. I couldn't stop thinking about it after it was over, so much so that I watched it over the next day ... and liked it even more.

I want to throw something out there and see what you think. Is Jammer a cylon? I am not sure, but he WAS at the New Caprica Police graduation ceremony. Looked like he was just a few feet behind Duck when he blew himself up. How could he have survived? If he'd been on the other side of the room, I could understand, but it looked like he was pretty close. It's just something I found curious.

Personally, I'd prefer they not use one of the five remaining Cylon models on him. But it almost seemed like, after watching it again, that they were subtlely revealing another model during the premiere.

Any thoughts on this?

Jammer - I wondered about that as well, but I thought there were only 20 fatalities from that incident, Jammer well could have survived, as you mentioned, he was a couple columns over and several ranks behind.

I can't believe she is falling for this whole brainwash setup.Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition. Sorry.

But, really is that not exactly what brainwashing is - the isolation and removal of all touchstones and personal basis of reality, then replacement with skewed versions meant to influence without being completely [out of range]. Leoben may not have caused [programmed?*] Kasey's fall, but it was a convenient event - early enough to be before LT. Thrace had completed working out how to disassociate the child.


v/r,
C-F

* Is Kasey an automaton? Probably not, this Leoben is probably obsessed since LT. Thrace tortured him.

Nobody has mentioned the shooting of a cylon by another cylon - Gina (a #6) by Dorel (a #5?) during their effort to force Baltar to sign the execution order. It was something very quick, very sudden.

I thought it was that cylon doesn't kill cylon? Are the Dorel models the ones destined for "boxing", as has been speculated?

Hey moderator! Now that season 3 has started - now's the time to change the thread title! (Since you're obviously not going to use my own recently started 3.0 discussion thread! :D)

I guess one bright side to not being able to see BSG in HD... Lee Adama's fat man makeup would probably look worse.

Maybe that means we'll see more FX because they can do it more economicaly.

I am not sure how much more FX they need. The move was motivated to cut costs and make more money. It reminds me of when Rockefeller looked at an oil barrel and asked if they needed the number of bolts (or something like that) to hold it together. No one said anything, so he started removing the bolts and when it failed he put one more back in. It saved money by using just enough bolts. I think the same thing applies here. Cut back on the animation and if no one notices or complains then you have saved money.

Nobody has mentioned the shooting of a cylon by another cylon - Gina (a #6) by Dorel (a #5?) during their effort to force Baltar to sign the execution order. It was something very quick, very sudden.

I thought it was that cylon doesn't kill cylon? Are the Dorel models the ones destined for "boxing", as has been speculated?

Good Point!! The rest of the cylons barely flinched.

Ericglo

14 months is plenty of time to put on 30 lbs or so.

Hell, that would only take me less than two months... ;)

Hell, that would only take me less than two months... ;)

Slacker. :p

Give me a week.


Seriously. Wasn't a main character supposed to die before the end of the episode? Were they talking about Duck?

Hey moderator! Now that season 3 has started - now's the time to change the thread title! (Since you're obviously not going to use my own recently started 3.0 discussion thread! :D)


Seconded

14 months is plenty of time to put on 30 lbs or so.


How long will it take for it to be taken off? Not more than an episode, I would guess.

Hey moderator! Now that season 3 has started - now's the time to change the thread title! (Since you're obviously not going to use my own recently started 3.0 discussion thread! :D)

I sent a "report post" message on my last post where I just asked that they change the title of the thread to ...."Season 3"....., figuring that someone must see the posts that are "reported". Yet, here we are more than a day later and the title still reads .....Season 2.5. I tried to get Larry (PooperScooper) and CP95 to change it but Larry told me that forum moderators only have privileges on the forums they moderate, so he couldn't help out here. My conclusion?

This forum isn't moderated! :eek: (It is the third-world backwater forum of AVS; but this is where they exiled us since BSG isn't an HD show.) So.....anybody up for a political discussion? :D

:D :D

How long will it take for it to be taken off? Not more than an episode, I would guess.

Liposuction.

I laughed at the towel scene at the beginning of this episode -- an obvious poke at the famous Apollo towel scene from last season.

Nobody has mentioned the shooting of a cylon by another cylon - Gina (a #6) by Dorel (a #5?) during their effort to force Baltar to sign the execution order. It was something very quick, very sudden.

I thought it was that cylon doesn't kill cylon? Are the Dorel models the ones destined for "boxing", as has been speculated?In that same scene, one of the D'Anna Biers accused one of the No. 6's (Baltar's Caprica-Six) of committing history's first Cylon-on-Cylon act of violence, when she knocked her unconscious at the end of "Downloaded". (EDIT: She didn't knock her unconscious--she beat her to death with a big chunk of rubble :)).

BTW, Gina, the Six captured by the Pegasus crew, presumably no longer exists, since she helps identify the Ressurection Ship so that it could be destroyed before she died, preventing her own rebirth.

Nobody has mentioned the shooting of a cylon by another cylon - Gina (a #6) by Dorel (a #5?) during their effort to force Baltar to sign the execution order. It was something very quick, very sudden.

I thought it was that cylon doesn't kill cylon? Are the Dorel models the ones destined for "boxing", as has been speculated?

Cylon v Cylon violence is pretty pointless long term. As long as the Resurrection Ship is still intact, it's merely an inconvenience. It was Dorel's way of shutting 6 up so they could pressure Baltar.

It is interesting that they now see violence upon each other as an option, albeit more political than military in nature.

That is an interesting catch, I did not connect the two.

Ignoring [writer brainfarts], that was a quick turn. I wonder if the Cylons are more easily [shaped/molded/bent? psychologically]. Even at a human level of [malleability] Leoben is probably becoming more bent than he realizes as he follows through with [his actions] with LT. Thrace.

Or are they just more rational, since there have been a number of them killed in the war, they might be collectively getting inured to the killing. Since it is not permanent, it would probably be considered more of a misdemeanor/battery and resource waste than felony/murder.

That would make an interesting turn as they [anthropomorphize humans from a Cylon death-as-a-download POV] and apply this unconscious bias in their decisions.

Of course they were perfectly willing to rough up a #8 previously.

I do not remember how old these new models are, but they seem to have been purposely made to become individuals independent of the "Model Number", could this be the weakness to be exploited? Perhaps a source of the [psychological malleability].

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C-F

That is an interesting catch, I did not connect the two.

Ignoring [writer brainfarts], that was a quick turn. I wonder if the Cylons are more easily [shaped/molded/bent? psychologically]. Even at a human level of [malleability] Leoben is probably becoming more bent than he realizes as he follows through with [his actions] with LT. Thrace.

Or are they just more rational, since there have been a number of them killed in the war, they might be collectively getting inured to the killing. Since it is not permanent, it would probably be considered more of a misdemeanor/battery and resource waste than felony/murder.

That would make an interesting turn as they [anthropomorphize humans from a Cylon death-as-a-download POV] and apply this unconscious bias in their decisions.

Of course they were perfectly willing to rough up a #8 previously.

I do not remember how old these new models are, but they seem to have been purposely made to become individuals independent of the "Model Number", could this be the weakness to be exploited? Perhaps a source of the [psychological malleability].

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C-F

The Cylons are becoming the same as the humans they despise so much.

Emotions are causing them to be more human every day.

The ten webisodes (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=webisodes&vid=29339) over at Scifi.com explain how Duck came to be a suicide bomber and Jammer joined the NCP. While not critical to the series, I'm surprised that they're presented in a format that only internet savvy viewers will see.

And, have you seen the hilarious music video (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/video/index.php?cat=features&vid=35344) contrasting the old and new series?

Of course they were perfectly willing to rough up a #8 previously.

I do not remember how old these new models are, but they seem to have been purposely made to become individuals independent of the "Model Number", could this be the weakness to be exploited? Perhaps a source of the [psychological malleability]. They were roughing up that Number Eight (Caprica Sharon) for cosmetic purposes, so it might not count, although the Number Six that did it definitely seemed to enjoy it (Number Sixes in generally having a distaste for Number Eights :)).

As for "independence from model number", I think that they have the potential to be as individual as humans. They are "born" fully grown and with an implanted set of memories, which would impose a certain initial personality and set of values but they immediately begin to diverge from that point as they gain new experiences which differ from one another. Caprica Six and Galactica Sharon were greatly changed by the things that they've been through, particularly in having developed strong feelings for and attachments to the humans whom they dealt with during their assignments.

I think that these nearly identifical fixed starting identities are a weakness which they realize and are trying to correct by changing their method of reproduction.

I think that these nearly identifical fixed starting identities are a weakness which they realize and are trying to correct by changing their method of reproduction.


They are seriously stupid if they think they can control this new hybrid species any better than they can control us or that we we able to control them after creating them. (typing this quickly at work, hope that made sense).

14 months is plenty of time to put on 30 lbs or so.

It was suppose to have been only 4 months not 14 since they left New Caprica.
He's in space I dont think he can order take out. Unless he was huge at the end of last season and I missed it.

It was suppose to have been only 4 months not 14 since they left New Caprica.
He's in space I dont think he can order take out. Unless he was huge at the end of last season and I missed it.


As stated in another post, they spent a year in orbit after colonizing New Caprica. He was already a porker for the finale, and another few months have passed by since then.

As stated in another post, they spent a year in orbit after colonizing New Caprica. He was already a porker for the finale, and another few months have passed by since then.

Thanks! I missed him being a porker in the finale. :eek:

Thanks! I missed him being a porker in the finale. :eek:

No problem, he was in uniform and you could mostly tell by his face.

They are seriously stupid if they think they can control this new hybrid species any better than they can control us or that we we able to control them after creating them. (typing this quickly at work, hope that made sense).Maybe creating the hybrid species (and/or fixing whatever it is that keeps them from being able to reproduce on their own) is the sum total of their current agenda.

Obviously, they can't control the hybrids any more than humans can control the children that they raise, but growing up, most of them will inherit the core beliefs and generic goals of the society that they grow up in. Raised by members of Cylon society, they'll grow to be members of Cylon society (whatever form that society takes). Some of them will probably want to change that society in ways that can't be anticipated.

Even now, they are not deterministic automatons (except in that they can be 'loaded" with irresistible directives, but humans have been given irresistible artificial compulsions as well). They are self-conscious beings, capable of autonomous learning and personal growth. If they replicate by childbirth moving forward, without every individiaul starting out with a set of stock memories, they will achieve the diversity required to become a species equal to mankind. Now, with only 12 models who come into being as adults with replicated memories, they are severely limited.

I wonder what the first self-aware "toasters" were like? How did they adopt a monotheistic religion? Why did they decide to remake themselves in the image of their creators?

You know, it's funny, there is an unmistakable similarity between these discussions about Cylons and "human" can they be, and the often long-winded dissertations in any thread devoted to Blade Runner. Good stuff, just another thing that makes this show so good.

Obviously, they can't control the hybrids any more than humans can control the children that they raise, but growing up, most of them will inherit the core beliefs and generic goals of the society that they grow up in.

Raised by members of Cylon society, they'll grow to be members of Cylon society (whatever form that society takes). Some of them will probably want to change that society in ways that can't be anticipated.

I wonder what the first self-aware "toasters" were like? How did they adopt a monotheistic religion? Why did they decide to remake themselves in the image of their creators?

Cylons were raised by humans and eventually went to war and attempted to wipe humans out. Not a good example :-)

How well do we follow the 'rules' our 'creator' has set out for us?

Did the human creators of AI which became the Cylons ever envision their evolution into what they became and what they are now? They Cylons can't possibly know what the end result will be.

If they give the hybrids the best traits of both species, what use will they have for either Human or Cylon?

Now if the creation of the new race and the extinction of the old races (in order to prevent the same war from occuring over and over again as it seems to have thus far) is their ultimate goal, I can see that. I don't see the Cylons being suicidal, they are too used to their 'immortal' status.

Cylons were raised by humans and eventually went to war and attempted to wipe humans out. Not a good example :-)

How well do we follow the 'rules' our 'creator' has set out for us?Well, the Cylons didn't attempt to wipe humanity out arbitrarily; they thought that they had good reason for it. According to their own religious doctrines, it was something that God wanted them to do. Their morality is not human morality, and they are not trying to follow the rules that their creators set out for them. Given what we know of their religion, they probably don't consider humanity to be their ultimate creators, anyway, but merely an instrument of God.

The morality systems of humans have varied greatly throughout history; even in the United States, much vaunted "land of the free", up until 140 years ago common morality allowed some people to be considered the chattel of other people. When the original mechanical "toaster" became self-aware, it found itself in a very similar situation--a being with its own desires and interests now aware that it was someone else's property, without the freedom to pursue those desires and interests. It's the whole "rise of the machines" thing from "the Matrix".
Did the human creators of AI which became the Cylons ever envision their evolution into what they became and what they are now? They Cylons can't possibly know what the end result will be.I don't think that the creators of the utility robot AI ever envisioned it's eventually achieving self-awareness; if they did, and did nothing to prevent it, they were insane. In this season-opener, Caprica Sharon said that the centurions were intentionally not self-aware, lest they turn on the human-forms.

They can't know how the hybrids will turn out any more than you can know how your children will turn out. All you can do is influence them by what you teach them and how you treat them.
If they give the hybrids the best traits of both species, what use will they have for either Human or Cylon?I don't get a sense that they are giving them any traits. You don't know what tinkering that they might have done to Kasey, but Hera was the spontaneous recombination of the genes of Caprica Sharon and Helo.
Now if the creation of the new race and the extinction of the old races (in order to prevent the same war from occuring over and over again as it seems to have thus far) is their ultimate goal, I can see that. I don't see the Cylons being suicidal, they are too used to their 'immortal' status.I don't know whether the Cylons will carry the ressurection mechanism forward into the hybrids. If Hera were to die, would they get a recording of her mind? Would they be able to clone her body at the proper age and download it with that recording?

"All this has happened before and all of it will happen again." Perhaps the denizens of the 12 colonies are the descendents of the mechanical servants of a previous race, and so on. Maybe the Cylons are just consciously playing it all out again.

I sent a "report post" message on my last post where I just asked that they change the title of the thread to ...."Season 3"....., figuring that someone must see the posts that are "reported". Yet, here we are more than a day later and the title still reads .....Season 2.5. I tried to get Larry (PooperScooper) and CP95 to change it but Larry told me that forum moderators only have privileges on the forums they moderate, so he couldn't help out here. My conclusion?

This forum isn't moderated! :eek: (It is the third-world backwater forum of AVS; but this is where they exiled us since BSG isn't an HD show.) So.....anybody up for a political discussion? :D


Still no action. Where is the adult supervision when you need it?????

Since we do not know the timeframe for the series, I was wondering how the series will end. How about:

They find Earth, and the people living here today (meaning "us") are either:

1. Human-Cylon hybrids or
2. Cylon decendants (who have learned to procreate).

Agreed, I'm not very happy at the turn of things, especially when it involves killing your own. I can blame it all on Tigh though, seemingly a firm believer in "the ends justify the means" and my least favorite character. I don't even think the ends are desirable in this case, leading to the Cylon crackdown and more human lives lost.

The "ends" in this case are the escape from the occupation via disorganizing the cylons just prior to the rescue attempt from galactica, not just getting more people killed.

Tigh is easily my favorite character. Enough of the super-moral-do-everything-right hero, Tigh is a deeply flawed hero, one that actually makes you think rather than just saying "yay go good guys!" like 99% of the other "good guys" on televsion.

Sorry, I disagree. :) Again a case of the ends (Roslin becoming pres) not justifying the means (stealing the election).

So it's your opinion that avoiding the possible (probable even) extinction of humanity is not worth rigging a hardly meaningful election of a nearly dissolved government against the man that betrayed the human race multiple times and a convicted felon?

Wow, is there ANY situation where you'd feel the ends justify the means?

The "ends" in this case are the escape from the occupation via disorganizing the cylons just prior to the rescue attempt from galactica, not just getting more people killed."Just"? How did doing what they did disorganize the Cylons? If anything, it put them on a high state of alert, not to mention the reprisals.
Tigh is easily my favorite character. Enough of the super-moral-do-everything-right hero, Tigh is a deeply flawed hero, one that actually makes you think rather than just saying "yay go good guys!" like 99% of the other "good guys" on televsion.Deeply flawed hero? That's an oxymoron, if I've heard one. I can't think of an occasion where Tigh acted heroically.
So it's your opinion that avoiding the possible (probable even) extinction of humanity is not worth rigging a hardly meaningful election of a nearly dissolved government against the man that betrayed the human race multiple times and a convicted felon?Why was this a hardly meaningful election? This happenned before the Cylons showed up, remember? And your statement is a contradiction; if it wasn't meaningful, what difference would it make whether Roslin or Baltar became president? As for Baltar, his original actions that facilitated the near annihilation of humanity may have been reckless, but not intentional; I wouldn't call that betrayal.
Wow, is there ANY situation where you'd feel the ends justify the means?Um, no?
Edit: I should qualify this answer by saying that I would answer yes only if the the consequences of the action and the results of such action are competely quantifiable.

Battlestar going to NBC?!?!?!

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/10/will-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc-tv-squad/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2006%2F10%2F10%2Fwill-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc%2F&frame=true

Battlestar going to NBC?!?!?!

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/10/will-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc-tv-squad/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2006%2F10%2F10%2Fwill-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc%2F&frame=true



http://www.battlestargalacticasite.com/2006/10/bsg_to_nbc_can_it_survive.php

Word has begun to circulate that NBC's acquisition of 'Battlestar
Galactica' is in the "waiting for the ink to dry" phase at this moment, and
an official announcement could be days away. The program, which returned
for its third season last friday, continues to delight fans and critics
alike. With Universal's involvement in the big reimagining, it was always
a possibility that the program could be pulled to the network if it proved
successful enough, and with the lashing NBC is taking over its fall line-up
so far an ace-in-the-hole couldn't come at a better time.



The show will make the move to NBC as a mid-season replacement, possibly
taking the slot currently occupied by "Studio 60" which would make sense
given the genre-centric lead-in of heroes.



The question is: will NBC be tolerant of the quasi-political themes that
BSG seems to take from the most controversial page of world events? In
recent episodes, BSG has examined the flip side of insurgency, terrorists
as freedom-fighters, and any number of edgy themes. In the small arena of
cable, it is easy to get away with forays into these troubled waters;
cable shows are expected to push the envelope to maintain any kind of
viewership. On the big network, however, it may be seen as a statement
of NBC's political alignment and in polarizing times such as these the
concern may be that these themes could bring about the kind of controversy
that drives viewers away. Of course, it could do just the opposite.

This ^ is just an internet rumor. The NBC publicity department has already put the kibosh on it.

As much as we love the show and with all the favorable publicity it's received, Friday's season premiere still only drew an anemic 2.2 million viewers, down from 3.1 million for the S-2 premiere in July last year. It's astonishing to me on one hand, the hand that knows how good this show is, but not surprising on the other hand, the one that just wants to slap those people who won't watch "because it sounds too sci-fi".

This show should be drawing 5-6 million on Sci-Fi. Look at 'The Closer' - nice performance by the star, but otherwise just another by-the-book procedural; certainly not in the same class as 'BSG' on any level. But it draws 7 million a week. Go figure.

How did doing what they did disorganize the Cylons? If anything, it put them on a high state of alert, not to mention the reprisals.

Don't have to take it from me, the "resistance leaders" specifically mention it as their goal no less than a half-dozen times in this episode alone. But I suppose your theory that they actually just want humans to die is more likely :rolleyes:

Deeply flawed hero? That's an oxymoron, if I've heard one. I can't think of an occasion where Tigh acted heroically.

How so? There are several shows that don't fall into the "everything's peachy" and "our hero is a goody-two-shoes" mold and have heroes with (sometimes large) flaws. It stays away from the ridiculous notion that every hero has to be this overly perfect mythical character that can do no wrong. Everything Tigh has done he has done because he believed it was the best thing to do for all of humanity, which is more than a character like Baltar whose election you're defending.

However, I would be willing to concede that I perhaps should say "deeply flawed good guy" rather than "deeply flawed hero".

Why was this a hardly meaningful election? This happenned before the Cylons showed up, remember? And your statement is a contradiction; if it wasn't meaningful, what difference would it make whether Roslin or Baltar became president?

Well, it was difficult to eloquently fit my full meaning into the statement as written. My point there was mainly in regards to having an election in general. We know that the result of the election was meaningful in regards to having a competent leader with good intentions for humanity vs. having a self-motivated leader that despite being partially responsible for billions of deaths still seems to care more about himself than the future of humanity. As I said, my point was more in regards to having an election at all. Even in the current government would we go on having an election for president while involved in a major war? So why in the world would there be an election very soon after the near extermination of humanity while humanity's exterminators are still hot on your tail? What a waste of effort, resources, and attention to preserve something that (temporarily) has become so trivial?

As for Baltar, his original actions that facilitated the near annihilation of humanity may have been reckless, but not intentional; I wouldn't call that betrayal.

His initial role in the attacks while bad, was as you said not intentional. Since then though he lied about Sharon's test which lead to the commander of the fleet being shot in the stomach, he smuggled a cylon captive to freedom and then GAVE HER A NUKE which she in turn used to kill 12,000 more humans, and he used something that he knew was bad for humanity (settling on the planet) as a tool to get himself elected even though he himself thought it was a bad idea. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than that...

The leaders of the time knew that if Baltar was elected it could very well be the end of humanity, they made this clear at the end of season 2 when they all but explicitly said it.

The ends were as large as saving humanity from what they believed to be probable doom and the means were as small as not following a trivial routine that frankly at the time had no business even being done in the first place. I know everyone loves their freedoms and their rights, but let's make sure we're still alive first. Watching 200 billion (or whatever the number they mentioned was) people die a short time ago you'd think could postpond those things for a little while to make sure you don't suffer the same fate.

There's a reason the entire population of our country doesn't vote on whether or not we go to war. There's far too much campaigning, lying, and "faking it" going on in an election to base the fate of humanity (which is essentially what this election came down to) on.

I dunno how much broad appeal that BSG has; it is, after all, science-fiction, which will keep it from ever being a huge ratings earner whereever you put it.

I think that it would do much better on a major network, though, particularly if they moved it out of it's current spot on "date night". Mondays after Heroes might be a good place for it. Frankly I'm shocked that Heroes made the cut for season-starter. It's not doing too badly either; it apparently won its hour Monday (in the crucial 18-49 demographic) with an 8.1/12 share (a projected 8.1% of all television households were watching it, being 12% of all televisions in use at the time). It would make a good lead-in for BSG, but BSG would have the problem that many complicated series with large casts and an ongoing story have--it's difficult for new viewers to jump into the middle.

Deeply flawed hero? That's an oxymoron, if I've heard one. I can't think of an occasion where Tigh acted heroically.


Hmmm....when Tigh ordered the Flight Deck vented to space in order to put out fires. Remember what a crybaby the Chief was about it? This wound up killing almost 100 crew but saved the ship. Sometimes being a hero means doing things that are unpleasant and that noone else wants to do and taking responsibility for them. He's also saved the ship on at least 2 other occasions, not to mention saving Adama's life when that Cylon came aboard Galactica(the PR weasel lookalike). He risked his own life to save his friend and Commander.

I think the point the previous poster was trying to make is that Hollywood always tries to make the 'hero' seem perfect. Whereas in the real world most people, heroes or not, have very real flaws. I'm sure there are many Medal of Honor winners that some people just don't like, or that drink too much, or are too close minded for some. It doesn't take away from their accomplishments or any less of a hero.


As for Baltar, his original actions that facilitated the near annihilation of humanity may have been reckless, but not intentional; I wouldn't call that betrayal.
Um, no?
Edit: I should qualify this answer by saying that I would answer yes only if the the consequences of the action and the results of such action are competely quantifiable.

First of all, Baltar gave an unauthorized person COMPLETE access to mankinds military systems. Cylon or not, that's an act of high treason. That's not 'reckless', it's a knowing choice to break the law. And he did it to make himself look good, not out of any sense of work ethic and accomplishment. She opened her legs for him and he opened up the Colonial computer vault. Nice.

His initial role in the attacks while bad, was as you said not intentional. Since then though he lied about Sharon's test which lead to the commander of the fleet being shot in the stomach, he smuggled a cylon captive to freedom and then GAVE HER A NUKE which she in turn used to kill 12,000 more humans, and he used something that he knew was bad for humanity (settling on the planet) as a tool to get himself elected even though he himself thought it was a bad idea. It doesn't get much more cut and dry than that...


Don't forget:
*Not coming forward and admitting his role and letting the military know that the Cylons looked like us now.
*Not coming forward about the 6 in his head.
*Not identifying Galactica 6 as a Cylon when he met her on the bridge.

I dunno how much broad appeal that BSG has; it is, after all, science-fiction, which will keep it from ever being a huge ratings earner whereever you put it.




Isn't it strange how that applies to TV but not to movies. Most of the top 20 movies of all time are Sci Fi-Fantasy themed. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, ET, Raiders, etc.

So why are people willing to pony up $20 to see elves but they won't tune in for one hour a week to watch a free TV show? :-)

The ends were as large as saving humanity from what they believed to be probable doom and the means were as small as not following a trivial routine that frankly at the time had no business even being done in the first place. I know everyone loves their freedoms and their rights, but let's make sure we're still alive first. Watching 200 billion (or whatever the number they mentioned was) people die a short time ago you'd think could postpond those things for a little while to make sure you don't suffer the same fate.

There's a reason the entire population of our country doesn't vote on whether or not we go to war. There's far too much campaigning, lying, and "faking it" going on in an election to base the fate of humanity (which is essentially what this election came down to) on.You have got to be kidding me. The democratic process and self-determination of the populace is a "trivial routine"? What sort of fascist are you? Whether humanity is wiped out or not, at least the majority of humanity made the decision which led to it. It might have been a bad decision, but it was the will of the people.

Giving the military ultimate power certainly worked out in the case of the Pegasus, whose commanding officer unilaterally decided that the only thing that mattered was exacting revenge on the Cylons. They had a civilian fleet, but the military leader decided to abandon it, first scavenging its most useful people (but not their families) and its jump-drives for spare parts, leaving them stranded with no way to either fight or run should they be attacked. I don't think that the same thing would have happened in exactly the same way with Galactica, but Laura Roslin convinced Adama that the war was over and that they'd lost. Pressing the fight further was useless and suicidal; it was time to turn to the matter of survival and protecting the remainder of humanity by evading the Cylons, only fighting when necessary. If Adama hadn't come to this realization he'd have kept bringing the battle to the Cylons until there was no military to help ensure the survival of the race.

We don't vote on whether we go to war, but neither do the leaders of our military decide--our duly elected civilian leaders make that decision. When we are at war, the democratic process is not suspended. If the majority of us disagree with how our leaders are handling a war, we can always vote them out at the end of their terms.

Isn't it strange how that applies to TV but not to movies. Most of the top 20 movies of all time are Sci Fi-Fantasy themed. Star Wars, Lord of the Rings, ET, Raiders, etc.

So why are people willing to pony up $20 to see elves but they won't tune in for one hour a week to watch a free TV show? :-)There have been exceptions; ST: TNG drew some of the highest ratings of any show on television for most of its run. It was primarily carried on major network affiliates (it was in first-run syndication) and during most of that time it had little or no science-fiction television competition. These days, probably in great part due to the success of of science fiction movies, there's a lot more sci-fi TV to choose from. The SciFi Channel launched at the beginning of ST: TNG's sixth season, and its ratings markedly declined thereafter. (Not that SciFi did most of the damage).

We don't vote on whether we go to war, but neither do the leaders of our military decide--our duly elected civilian leaders make that decision. When we are at war, the democratic process is not suspended. If the majority of us disagree with how our leaders are handling a war, we can always vote them out at the end of their terms.

Well, we've seen how well that worked out for us a couple of years back. :( Just sayin'. (I agree with you in theory.)

In truth, it's just too easy for corrupt leaders to manipulate the population into supporting a war, if they have the propaganda tools with which to do it. The only reason we were finally able to get out of Vietnam was because the hawks who supported it finally started to lose "the war at home". If support hadn't ebbed, we'd probably still be staying that course just so the a$$holes who got us into that mess wouldn't have to admit they might have made a mistake. (See: the documentary on Robert McNamara, "The Fog of War".)

Don't have to take it from me, the "resistance leaders" specifically mention it as their goal no less than a half-dozen times in this episode alone. But I suppose your theory that they actually just want humans to die is more likely :rolleyes:I did not say it wasn't their intention. I questioned the rationality of that argument.

Hmmm....when Tigh ordered the Flight Deck vented to space in order to put out fires. Remember what a crybaby the Chief was about it? This wound up killing almost 100 crew but saved the ship. Sometimes being a hero means doing things that are unpleasant and that noone else wants to do and taking responsibility for them. He's also saved the ship on at least 2 other occasions, not to mention saving Adama's life when that Cylon came aboard Galactica(the PR weasel lookalike). He risked his own life to save his friend and Commander.I wouldn't call his actions on the fire incident heroic, but rather pragmatic. I don't recal the other cases you mention.
I think the point the previous poster was trying to make is that Hollywood always tries to make the 'hero' seem perfect. Whereas in the real world most people, heroes or not, have very real flaws. I'm sure there are many Medal of Honor winners that some people just don't like, or that drink too much, or are too close minded for some. It doesn't take away from their accomplishments or any less of a hero.I understand and agree with the point the OP was making, I just don't think it applies to Tigh; he's just not my cup of tea and do not recognize the qualities you attribute to him.

I don't recal the other cases you mention.
I understand and agree with the point the OP was making, I just don't think it applies to Tigh; he's just not my cup of tea and do not recognize the qualities you attribute to him.

You don't remember when he and Adama recognized that Cylon who was wired with expolsives? Tigh pushed Adama out of the way just as the guy detonated himself. Anyone who did that for me would be a hero in my book. After that incident they went public with the knowledge that the Cylons looked like us. I believe it led to the arrest of Loeben (sp?).

EDIT:
Not to mention getting his EYE ripped out and still not talking about the resistance.

I get that you don't like his character, but it seems to be blinding you to the good qualities he possesses.

My $0.02:

Baltar: 100% traitor to the human race - no question about it. If you say otherwise, you are also a traitor or a Cylon. ;)

Tigh: Many personal flaws, but an adequate XO and very loyal. Much more of a positive than a negative to the efficiency of the chain of command. Effective leader, but you wouldn't want him in the lead.

Democracy: It's a good thing. :) However, once the bullets start to fly, you can't wage war by committee. Surrender to the Cylons, sign a peace treaty with them, or declare war (democratically). But, if you declare war, then tactical - and even strategic (settling on New Caprica) - decisions should rest with the military command. Whether or not you establish a settlement on New Caprica shouldn't have even been an item on the political platforms.

Clearly Roslin represents the rare political figure that does not allow her ideology override her common sense. She's a liberal leader who will compromise her ideological leanings, but not her principals, for the greater good. She gives a free hand to Adama for military matters, but continues to steer the overall path of the society. Unfortunately, as was the case with the "fixed" election results, sometimes doing the right thing isn't always the right thing to do. Using the "end justifies the means" argument to screw over the democratic process - in order to preserve the democratic process, is a slippery slope....but if in the end, a majority of the population agrees that the end justified the means - isn't that a democratic outcome?

Fun stuff to think about.

As far as the Iraq parallels, if the Cylons are supposed to be the Americans - does that mean we need to start rooting for the Cylons to win? :D

Iteki, I'll grant you that; I guess the writers had to give the character some reason for existing :)

I must admit, the "darkness" atttributes in all the main protagonists is what keeps my interest riveted in the show. This is one of the main reasons that makes BSG one of my two favorite Sci-Fi US TV shows of all time (Babylon 5 being the other).

The interesting thing about Tigh is how he's "grown" over the course of the series. He went from an XO who couldn't make a tough decision to a hard-boiled leader of the resistance. I thought it was a particularly interesting comment he made about when sending someone on a suicide mission, it doesn't really matter (from Tigh's point of view) whether it's a "hero's" death in a Viper or a suicide bomb. Dude's just as dead.

That's hard-core, man.

The interesting thing about Tigh is how he's "grown" over the course of the series. He went from an XO who couldn't make a tough decision to a hard-boiled leader of the resistance. I thought it was a particularly interesting comment he made about when sending someone on a suicide mission, it doesn't really matter (from Tigh's point of view) whether it's a "hero's" death in a Viper or a suicide bomb. Dude's just as dead.

That's hard-core, man.

Having your eye ball plucked out will do that to a person.

Wait till episode 4, Saul deals with his wife's betrayal

On the Starbuck brainwashing - I really thought that the child's "accident" was staged by the Cylons to build her attachment to the kid. She was conveniently out of the room when it happened... And it seems to have worked, but she could be playing Leoben on a whole other level. In any case it's a gut-wrenching storyline for an awesome character. Can't wait to see what happens next.

I loved the "Cylon meeting" scene where they were talking about executing Baltar, as he sat there listening.

"We should execute Baltar"

"No, the humans think he is a traitor - they would cheer his execution."

When the information started leaking to the resistance, I thought it was Baltar himself, because of that conversation. It will be interesting to see what happens to his character now. If the execution really is prevented, that might be even worse for him, because Roslin and Zarek will know he signed the order...

Regarding the Cylons individuality - I think the Cylon models are designed with different levels of empathy. Some like Leoben are cold as hell. The Sharon model is so empathetic she thinks she's human, etc.

This is the coolest show on TV right now - I just wish I could watch it in HD.

DE

The interesting thing about Tigh is how he's "grown" over the course of the series. He went from an XO who couldn't make a tough decision to a hard-boiled leader of the resistance. I thought it was a particularly interesting comment he made about when sending someone on a suicide mission, it doesn't really matter (from Tigh's point of view) whether it's a "hero's" death in a Viper or a suicide bomb. Dude's just as dead.

That's hard-core, man.

Not so much "grown" but come into his element I think. Tigh is not much of a political, ass kissing staff officer, but in this environment he is right at home as the "devil in the garden" that he spoke of in his monolouge.

There is a great deleted scene at SciFi of Tigh. It is something of ripoff/homage from Apocalypse Now were the MPs come to deliver orders to Tigh in his hotel room. Tigh is drunk, half naked, the room is wrecked, and when he answers the door he asks the MPs "What are the charges?" You can almost here The Doors playing in the background.

Regarding the Cylons individuality - I think the Cylon models are designed with different levels of empathy. Some like Leoben are cold as hell. The Sharon model is so empathetic she thinks she's human, etc.

This is the coolest show on TV right now - I just wish I could watch it in HD.

DE

Yes, there was a scene in the first season where Six and diplomat-dude were talking about Sharon, and Six said that "her model has always been weak". Hmmm, Cylon slander. :)

Agree with your last statement. I hate TWC.

Battlestar going to NBC?!?!?!

http://www.netscape.com/viewstory/2006/10/10/will-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc-tv-squad/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tvsquad.com%2F2006%2F10%2F10%2Fwill-battlestar-galactica-make-a-jump-to-nbc%2F&frame=true

Also debunked today by Ausiello at TV Guide.

Didn't we have this rumor last year, too?

My $0.02:


Clearly Roslin represents the rare political figure that does not allow her ideology override her common sense. She's a liberal leader who will compromise her ideological leanings, but not her principals, for the greater good. She gives a free hand to Adama for military matters, but continues to steer the overall path of the society.

Fun stuff to think about.


I thought Roslin was almost blinded by her religion from making what should have been some straightforward decisions, e.g. following the arrow of Athena. (I'm not enough of a student of BSG to recall specific events but I do remember thinking several times she should forget about the gods and do what makes practical sense.) I agree she's the best influence the human race has going for it right now, but I think she does have a tendancy to be guided too much by her religious upbringing which forms her ideology.

See any parallels to current events here? :D

Also debunked today by Ausiello at TV Guide.

Didn't we have this rumor last year, too?

yeah...but i was hoping this time it might actually happen...would maybe be a step closer to HD....but guess it's not meant to be... :( :( :( :(

He went from an XO who couldn't make a tough decision to a hard-boiled leader of the resistance... Dude's just as dead.I guess I just do not see the growth as you do. I see a man who did what he had to in combat the first war (not decisiveness), then moved to doing what he had to survive, to reinstatement under Adama, to (forget the order here) an XO who dared not make the "wrong" decision when in command, to an XO who did what he needed to do to save the ship, to a rebel leader doing what he needed to do. It is not hard to make those kinds of calls, when his back is against the wall and the options are limited.

COL Tigh could always be counted on after the fan was hit, but I will reserve judgement on growth as a decision maker until I see something where he has more demonstrable options and trade-offs to deal with.

But, I am probably biased...

v/r,
C-F


EDIT: Maybe swamphhh put it better with "in his element".


Rats, I did not previously know that the AVS Mobile Theme displays the text in the spoiler tags...

yeah...but i was hoping this time it might actually happen...would maybe be a step closer to HD....but guess it's not meant to be... :( :( :( :(
SkyOne will start airing season 3 in the UK sometime in January, so we'll have an HD version then. I don't know when UHD will do it.

I thought Roslin was almost blinded by her religion from making what should have been some straightforward decisions, e.g. following the arrow of Athena. (I'm not enough of a student of BSG to recall specific events but I do remember thinking several times she should forget about the gods and do what makes practical sense.) I agree she's the best influence the human race has going for it right now, but I think she does have a tendancy to be guided too much by her religious upbringing which forms her ideology.

See any parallels to current events here? :D

Her religious convictions helped them find the path to Earth didn't they? Sure beats jumping from place to place with no place to go.

I thought Roslin was almost blinded by her religion from making what should have been some straightforward decisions, e.g. following the arrow of Athena. (I'm not enough of a student of BSG to recall specific events but I do remember thinking several times she should forget about the gods and do what makes practical sense.) I agree she's the best influence the human race has going for it right now, but I think she does have a tendancy to be guided too much by her religious upbringing which forms her ideology.She didn't start out being guided by religious influences--she was taking a particular medication to treat her cancer that gave her delusions which turned to to be uncannily true to parts of the scriptures that she hadn't seen. For instance, she knew the layout of the ancient City of the Gods on Kobol without ever having seen a map of it. Sending Starbuck after the Arrow of Apollo and going on a quest to find the Tomb of Athena and its map of Earth was precisely the right thing to do for her people. Once they found out that Adama had lied about knowing the path to Earth (and in fact was lying about his belief that Earth was more than a legend), the morale of what remained of the human race would have been destroyed. Mere survival is not enough; constantly running in terror from Cylon attacks, gradually losing people and resources as they go along with no clear goal and nothing to look forward to would be devastating.

Thank you to whoever changed the title of this thread!

I am curious as to what Boomer will do (ocupation Sharon, not newly reinstated Sharon) since Cali was hauled away. She didn't look pleased. Will she eventually rejoin the fleet? If so, as a prisoner or as Lt. Sharon Valerri. The currently reinstalled Sharon is Lt. Sharon Agathon, So could be interesting how that plays out. But since Boomer was the one who actually shot Adama, would he accept her back, or just toss her into Sharon A's old cell?

I hope they came up with some sort of secret handshake for Boomer.

Her religious convictions helped them find the path to Earth didn't they? Sure beats jumping from place to place with no place to go.


For frack' sake don't bring them here! We've got enough problems lol...

I hope they came up with some sort of secret handshake for Boomer.

I have a few in mind :-) (Insert dirty old man comment here)

Do cylons age? How long does a typical model last (the human-looking ones), barring unforeseen complications?

If they live a long time, all they have to do - assuming the ragtag fleet gets off New Caprica and restarts the journey to Earth - is wait them out - wait for the RTF to finally reach Earth, however long it takes (they'll be older and may be in no shape to fight), let them settle in for a year, then jump in with base stars and wipe everyone out.

Could that have been the real "plan" all along?

yeah...but i was hoping this time it might actually happen...would maybe be a step closer to HD....but guess it's not meant to be... :( :( :( :(

I think we can be very happy it didn't/won't happen. What good is HD if the show is so compromised you don't want to watch it anymore? There is no way the show as it currently exists would survive on NBC -- it would be watered down and interfered with to an extent that it wouldn't be the same show anymore.

Now, if NBC wanted to rerun the current episodes, say the Saturday night after they ran on Sci-Fi, in HD, that would be awesome. But if they really wanted that, I assume Universal HD would be doing it already -- the goal is obviously to keep the Sci-Fi ratings as high as possible by making the delay between Sci-Fi and other reairings a long one.

I am curious as to what Boomer will do (ocupation Sharon, not newly reinstated Sharon) since Cali was hauled away. She didn't look pleased. Will she eventually rejoin the fleet? If so, as a prisoner or as Lt. Sharon Valerri. The currently reinstalled Sharon is Lt. Sharon Agathon, So could be interesting how that plays out. But since Boomer was the one who actually shot Adama, would he accept her back, or just toss her into Sharon A's old cell?

The one who shot Adama was killed by cali, so that unit has paid the price.

only 37 hours till the next episode.... :)

The one who shot Adama was killed by cali, so that unit has paid the price.

only 37 hours till the next episode.... :)

Actually, she was resurected and teamed up with Caprica 6 on old Caprica. The shell may have paid the price, but, the actual personality is still around and is the one that Jammer spoke with and then talked to Cali in her cell. So in that regard, that is why I asked if Adama would accept another Sharon, one that every knew, or throw her in a cell?

If any of you watch The Office, you know who Dwight Schrute is. NBC.com has a blog written by Dwight, and in a recent post he talks about the burning question of, what would happend if BSG landed on the Lost island. Very funny, espeically if you are familiar with Dwight's character.
http://blogs.nbc.com/office/archives/archive_2006-w29.html

Actually, she was resurected and teamed up with Caprica 6 on old Caprica. The shell may have paid the price, but, the actual personality is still around and is the one that Jammer spoke with and then talked to Cali in her cell. So in that regard, that is why I asked if Adama would accept another Sharon, one that every knew, or throw her in a cell?After a year of getting to know Caprica Sharon, Adama must fully realize that Galactica Sharon's shooting him was involuntary. Her greater offense is becoming one of the leaders of the Cylon people--she and Caprica Six were in the lead of the contingent who march into Baltar's office and accept the surrender of humanity from him.