After a year of getting to know Caprica Sharon, Adama must fully realize that Galactica Sharon's shooting him was involuntary. Her greater offense is becoming one of the leaders of the Cylon people--she and Caprica Six were in the lead of the contingent who march into Baltar's office and accept the surrender of humanity from him.

Caprica Six and Sharon, however, are good Cylons who sympathize with humanity. They were partially successful in getting the Cylon to soften their views about the extermination of mankind. The experiment isn't going too well on New Caprica, but things would be a whole lot worse without their moderating presence.

OMG...I've been on the BSG main boards (on Sci Fi's website) the past week and I must say it is very refreshing to find a dedicated thread like this where NO ONE is bitching about a liberal bias or agenda in the season opener. There was one person who even said he/she was going to sell their DVD sets and stop watching the show after. Talk about thin skin!!!

OMG...I've been on the BSG main boards (on Sci Fi's website) the past week and I must say it is very refreshing to find a dedicated thread like this where NO ONE is bitching about a liberal bias or agenda in the season opener. There was one person who even said he/she was going to sell their DVD sets and stop watching the show after. Talk about thin skin!!!

I'm a mix mash of political ideal (libertarian), but for frack's sake.... it a show about ROBOTS!

Some people just take stuff way too seriously. I'm glad to see we at AVS rarely do. :)

After a year of getting to know Caprica Sharon, Adama must fully realize that Galactica Sharon's shooting him was involuntary. Her greater offense is becoming one of the leaders of the Cylon people--she and Caprica Six were in the lead of the contingent who march into Baltar's office and accept the surrender of humanity from him.

Lesser of two evils I suppose. Her take is that 'humans need our guidance in order for us to live in peace' which unfortunately means living under their yoke and dictatorship.

If it weren't for her and Six, the Cylons would still be bent on total genocide.

OMG...I've been on the BSG main boards (on Sci Fi's website) the past week and I must say it is very refreshing to find a dedicated thread like this where NO ONE is bitching about a liberal bias or agenda in the season opener. There was one person who even said he/she was going to sell their DVD sets and stop watching the show after. Talk about thin skin!!!


Liberal Bias?? Let me guess the Cylons are the Republicans.:rolleyes: I didn't really think the writers had a political agenda they were trying to get across.

A little over 7 Hours to go! :)

Liberal Bias?? Let me guess the Cylons are the Republicans.:rolleyes: I didn't really think the writers had a political agenda they were trying to get across.

I think they are drawing parallels to current events, but aren't making judgements about them. It encourages discussion. But to not watch a show based on assumed political messages? Sheesh!

I think they are drawing parallels to current events, but aren't making judgements about them. It encourages discussion. But to not watch a show based on assumed political messages? Sheesh!

Indeed. I don't think Ron Moore has any bias with regards to this show. What he is doing is taking current events and turning them upside down and inside out in all sorts of interesting, creative ways. Too many people do too little thinking these days, and any show that makes one think about what's going on in the wider world is one that deserves attention.

Unfortunately, there are only about 2.2 million of us who are listening. :(

The ratings for a show this thought-provoking, yet with plenty of kick-a$$ action, are a source of great puzzlement to me. One would think since it has everything, including more buzz than about any other show on TV, it would easily be the highest rated show on cable. It should be.

Actually I'm surprised there weren't people here on AVS offended by the parallels. Maybe they just have kept their mouths shut because of the censorship here...

OMG...I've been on the BSG main boards (on Sci Fi's website) the past week and I must say it is very refreshing to find a dedicated thread like this where NO ONE is bitching about a liberal bias or agenda in the season opener. There was one person who even said he/she was going to sell their DVD sets and stop watching the show after. Talk about thin skin!!!It is interesting how some are reacting. And some refuse to see the political allegory, like they're in denial about their favorite show questioning their ideals. Reminds me of this stubborn guy that wouldn't see the allegory in one of his favorite movies, The Matrix (conservatives= machines, humanist liberals = human resistance).

It is interesting how some are reacting. And some refuse to see the political allegory, like they're in denial about their favorite show questioning their ideals. Reminds me of this stubborn guy that wouldn't see the allegory in one of his favorite movies, The Matrix (conservatives= machines, humanist liberals = human resistance).


An allegory in The Matrix???? I have never heard of such a thing. I swear...some people seemed to go to movies to be entertained while others seem to go looking for political agendas.

Actually I'm surprised there weren't people here on AVS offended by the parallels. Maybe they just have kept their mouths shut because of the censorship here...

They were pretty quiet last year too when one of their favorite shows, FOX's '24', featured a storyline about a corrupt, lying right-wing President who tries to gin up a reason to invade a non-threatening nation for its oil. Oh, the irony. ;) Not one peep of righteous indignation about that storyline in this show that's a favorite of conservative icons like Rush Limbaugh and Clarence Thomas. It's like the plotline sailed right over their heads while they were relishing in all the torture. :p

An allegory in The Matrix???? I have never heard of such a thing. I swear...some people seemed to go to movies to be entertained while others seem to go looking for political agendas.Oh come on; you mean you didn't see the red and blue pills all over the place? Duhh, I think Vader was for red and Luke for blue... :confused:

An allegory in The Matrix???? I have never heard of such a thing. I swear...some people seemed to go to movies to be entertained while others seem to go looking for political agendas.Some people like to think. :p

Actually I first read about The Matrix allegory in a Time magazine review and when I thought about it it made sense. Also consider the leftist Wachowskis. Some people don't want to acknowledge things like this because it's not in sync with their bias but if a conservative like me can accept it and still enjoy it so can other right-wingers. Some of the best TV and movies out there are from left field.

Based on the look on Tigh's face, I was sure that was going to be his wife's last appearance.

No one's posted about last night's ep??????? Didn't know cylons could dream, that was weird. Nice to see Ellen finally confronted about her betrayal. Baltar and Six sure do have a complex relationship. Adama's deception about Hera is clearly going to bring trouble down the road. Do we know how many people are on New Caprica?

I don't think Moore is trying to draw parallels between the American presence in Iraq and Cylons, but he is asking the audience to ask hard questions "What would we do in such a situation?" Would we resort to measures that we now find deplorable? I think it's clear Colonel Tigh is not the moral voice on the show. There really isn't one, but especially not Tigh who has repeatedly made bad calls throughout the course of the show. But you look at where Tigh stands now, and you understand how he got there, even though he's advocating things we find deplorable. That's what's great about this show. Nothing about it is so simple that you should say "Oh, they are criticizing the war in Iraq". No, just like they have done since the beginning, they are putting their characters in complex moral and political scenarios, where they need to make very difficult decisions, and they are asking the audience to shift their perspective in a way many of them are probably not comfortable with. That’s why it’s not that surprising that some folks have taken a really simplistic stance that the show is just criticizing the occupation in Iraq… it’s because the show is making them ask questions they are not willing to ask themselves, and they are lashing out.

No one's posted about last night's ep??????? Didn't know cylons could dream, that was weird. Nice to see Ellen finally confronted about her betrayal. Baltar and Six sure do have a complex relationship. Adama's deception about Hera is clearly going to bring trouble down the road. Do we know how many people are on New Caprica?

It seems to me that Cylons have biological functions, which is why I find it odd that even they refer to themselves as machines. They bleed, their bodies can be killed just as easily as human bodies, they have sex, they get pregnant. This dream revelation is interesting, because it suggests even their brains function similar to human brains, and I'd always figured their brains were the machine part. What part of them is actually mechanical?

I've not understood why the colonials have not disected one of them. Doc Cottle must be learning a lot about Cylon anatomy since they have been bringing him Cylon wounded. (I would have expected that the Cylons would have there own Cylon medics but apparently not.) Anyway, as organic as the Cylons are, they still must have some parts like the glowing spine, the whole download transmitter, or the fiber optic interface that Cottle surely most have had the chance to examine.

A note about last night - anyone catch the line from the preacher about how it starts to hurt more and more each time he downloads to a new body? "First like a headache, now like a white-hot poker." An incentive not to die....very interesting...I wonder if there will come a point where the download will fail?

Also - if someone is up in arms about this show they need to grow up. There aren't any political judgments being made, they're just raising the issues in a creative manner and making you think about it from every angle possible. I quite enjoyed it and was impressed with how the writers didn't let it turn into their own political forum.

I've not understood why the colonials have not disected one of them. Doc Cottle must be learning a lot about Cylon anatomy since they have been bringing him Cylon wounded. (I would have expected that the Cylons would have there own Cylon medics but apparently not.) Anyway, as organic as the Cylons are, they still must have some parts like the glowing spine, the whole download transmitter, or the fiber optic interface that Cottle surely most have had the chance to examine.

Last year, didn't he do an autopsy on Sharon when Calli killed her?

I don't remember, but are we SURE that Adama knows about Hera?

Does anyone else think that Hera and the mom will be captured as the fleet is taking off?

I was hoping that the occupation would last the entire season and use the escape as the cliff hanger. It looks like it will happen sooner than that, unfortunately.

No one's posted about last night's ep??????? Didn't know cylons could dream, that was weird. Nice to see Ellen finally confronted about her betrayal. Baltar and Six sure do have a complex relationship. Adama's deception about Hera is clearly going to bring trouble down the road. Do we know how many people are on New Caprica?

I'm suprised that after all her deprecation of humanity's Gods (plural), that she didn't question the source of her information. A human oracle she was led to in a dream, tells her a Cylon lovechild still lives...and she doesn't question it?

Have we ever seen this oracle before?

Does anyone else think that Hera and the mom will be captured as the fleet is taking off?

I was hoping that the occupation would last the entire season and use the escape as the cliff hanger. It looks like it will happen sooner than that, unfortunately.

I for one am glad...this setting is depressing! Back to space!

Based on the look on Tigh's face, I was sure that was going to be his wife's last appearance.

What else CAN he do? Is there any question that if it were someone else's wife he order them killed, or strap a suicide bomb to them? He is, to quote Ron Burgundy "In a pickle!"

And Jammer has likely been outed by Callie...interesting to see what happens to him as well.

I don't remember, but are we SURE that Adama knows about Hera?I'm think we're sure--I seem to remember that he was present in the scene where Roslin hands the baby over to Maya.

Even if that weren't true, Dr. Cottle certainly knew and he's Adama's officer. I recall a scene where he's very pissed off in having been involved in lying to Caprica Sharon and Helo. I can't believe that he'd have done that upon secret orders from Roslin nor that Roslin would have dared to attempt to give him such orders, particularly after the fall-out from sending Starbuck after the Arrow of Apollo.

I'm suprised that after all her deprecation of humanity's Gods (plural), that she didn't question the source of her information. A human oracle she was led to in a dream, tells her a Cylon lovechild still lives...and she doesn't question it?

Have we ever seen this oracle before?
No, we've never met her before.


I also think it's an important point about the painful downloads, I think that is going to become significant in the future.

How long have they been using the term "skin job" to describe the human-looking Cylons? My memory is a little rusty, but isn't that the exact derogatory term used in "Blade Runner" to describe Replicants"? Seems almost like a copyright infringement.

Does anyone else think that Hera and the mom will be captured as the fleet is taking off?


It does seem that way, it's practically being telegraphed by the repeated scenes in which Roslin talks about how important she is.

How long have they been using the term "skin job" to describe the human-looking Cylons? My memory is a little rusty, but isn't that the exact derogatory term used in "Blade Runner" to describe Replicants"? Seems almost like a copyright infringement.

I've heard "skin-job" a couple of times before, most recently in the opener where the Chief and the ballplayer blow up that parking garage.

It's really no different than any other term which enters the popular vernacular after awhile. (I'm hearing "frack" more and more, even on Veronica Mars!) Also, it figures that since the colonists are constantly around Cylons for the first time and under their thumb, that derogatory terms for the enemy would arise; they always do as it's natural (if there's ever really anything "natural" about war) to try to make your enemy less than human. Given that, "skin-job" seems especially appropriate here.

The cross-pollination of terms like that is interesting though, and I agree, as terms like that go, "skin job" is on the mark.

The cross-pollination of terms like that is interesting though, and I agree, as terms like that go, "skin job" is on the mark.


Pretty sure the first time I heard 'skinjob' was in season 2. The resistance on Caprica had coined the term.

I finally caught up on the last 3 episodes and I must say, I'm totally 100% impressed and all my expectations were met....the show is so dark, so gritty, so real. I love it. Unlike Lost, which really never meets my expectations, the writers at BSG can come up with these incredible storylines which just draw you in and make you want more...and more and more and more. Its some damn fine television

Based on the look on Tigh's face, I was sure that was going to be his wife's last appearance.

If he where to kill her in front of everyone, then that would really be hard-assed. Could you imagine the other peoples faces. I don't think that will happen but would make for great television. I could see him really go off the deep end then. :eek: But unless she is being written out of the show, somehow he is going to get her back to the Galactica.

He knows she's betrayed him repeatedly in terms of adultery. This is betrayal of a different kind, but it did not endanger him directly. He somehow loves her so much that all is forgiven (in terms of sex). This will be harder to reconcile, given that it is tatamount to treason, but I wonder if he can really find it in himself to do something to her. To have her punished by other authorities (ie Adama) may be all Tigh can do.

He knows she's betrayed him repeatedly in terms of adultery. This is betrayal of a different kind, but it did not endanger him directly. He somehow loves her so much that all is forgiven (in terms of sex). This will be harder to reconcile, given that it is tatamount to treason, but I wonder if he can really find it in himself to do something to her. To have her punished by other authorities (ie Adama) may be all Tigh can do.

He'll likely use her to send disinformation to the skinjobs at the time of the resuce party's arrival. Only use for her really.

He'll likely use her to send disinformation to the skinjobs at the time of the resuce party's arrival. Only use for her really.

Excellent observation!

He'll likely use her to send disinformation to the skinjobs at the time of the resuce party's arrival. Only use for her really.

Seems like she has other uses as well....heh. :p

Seems like she has other uses as well....heh. :p

LOL only use for the resistance that is.

I'm suprised that after all her deprecation of humanity's Gods (plural), that she didn't question the source of her information. A human oracle she was led to in a dream, tells her a Cylon lovechild still lives...and she doesn't question it?

Have we ever seen this oracle before?

I seriously doubt it but .....

Could this "love child" be Kelly (sp?), i.e., Starbuck's (alleged) kid?

I seriously doubt it but .....

Could this "love child" be Kelly (sp?), i.e., Starbuck's (alleged) kid?

The "love child" is Sharon's (Boomer) baby. Remember, they told her it died, but swapped it with a stillborn baby from someone in the fleet. The president told them that utmost secrecy was required. I think only Adama, the president, and Doctor know who the baby actually is.

The "love child" is Sharon's (Boomer) baby. Remember, they told her it died, but swapped it with a stillborn baby from someone in the fleet. The president told them that utmost secrecy was required. I think only Adama, the president, and Doctor know who the baby actually is.

What's-his-nuts-Starbuck's boy toy has an idea now as well, after Roslin gave him the secret wink / knowing stare.

I don't think Moore is trying to draw parallels between the American presence in Iraq and Cylons, but he is asking the audience to ask hard questions "What would we do in such a situation?" Would we resort to measures that we now find deplorable? I think it's clear Colonel Tigh is not the moral voice on the show. There really isn't one, but especially not Tigh who has repeatedly made bad calls throughout the course of the show. But you look at where Tigh stands now, and you understand how he got there, even though he's advocating things we find deplorable. That's what's great about this show. Nothing about it is so simple that you should say "Oh, they are criticizing the war in Iraq". No, just like they have done since the beginning, they are putting their characters in complex moral and political scenarios, where they need to make very difficult decisions, and they are asking the audience to shift their perspective in a way many of them are probably not comfortable with. That’s why it’s not that surprising that some folks have taken a really simplistic stance that the show is just criticizing the occupation in Iraq… it’s because the show is making them ask questions they are not willing to ask themselves, and they are lashing out.


There's a difference between using the show to criticize, and drawing parallels.

I think the parallels are painfully obvious (liberation, occupation, good intentions, human police recruits, torture and slaughter of innocents, insurgents, bombings and suicide bombings, "what did you think, that we'd be greated with... never mind"). And that's why it makes the "complex moral and political scenarios" in the show all the more thought-provoking. It was exactly those parallels were so powerful in the season opener - at least to me.

Am enjoying the new season so far but one thing is bugging me... Those dang WWII era trucks they're driving around in on NC. What's with that? Even if you forgive the obvious time-period difference these trucks represent (intergalactic space-travel cs internal combustion engines) where'd they come from? The humans haven't been on NC long enough to refine steel or gasoline so they must have come from the orbiting spacecraft. So who's are they? The Cylons or the humans?

The producers did the same thing back in the episodes where Starbuck went back for the arrow when the resistance was driving around in Hummers. It just kind of makes the whole believability thing go out the window.

Am enjoying the new season so far but one thing is bugging me... Those dang WWII era trucks they're driving around in on NC. What's with that? Even if you forgive the obvious time-period difference these trucks represent (intergalactic space-travel cs internal combustion engines) where'd they come from? The humans haven't been on NC long enough to refine steel or gasoline so they must have come from the orbiting spacecraft. So who's are they? The Cylons or the humans?


Those are classic Dodge Power Wagons, dude! That was the basic chassis used on just about every vehicle in WWII & Korea except tanks and Willys (jeeps).

Anyway, with respect, get over it. This is a basic cable show; what would you have them do? Have their limited art department fashion futuristic vehicles? They don't have the budget for that kind of stuff; this isn't a $100 million feature film like 'Minority Report' (which did have specially fabricated futuristic Lexus's. That's known as "product placement").

This is a military-style show which uses all the conventions of U.S. military tactics and nomenclature. Using real military vehicles just adds to the realism, IMO. And, besides, they don't really have any choice.

Anyway, with respect, get over it. This is a basic cable show; what would you have them do? Have their limited art department fashion futuristic vehicles? They don't have the budget for that kind of stuff; this isn't a $100 million feature film like 'Minority Report' (which did have specially fabricated futuristic Lexus's. That's known as "product placement").

This is a military-style show which uses all the conventions of U.S. military tactics and nomenclature. Using real military vehicles just adds to the realism, IMO. And, besides, they don't really have any choice.

Have to agree there...spend their effects $$ of spaceships and Cylon goodness. Not a buck rodgersesque truck that will only be seen in one or two eps.

I seriously doubt it but .....

Could this "love child" be Kelly (sp?), i.e., Starbuck's (alleged) kid?

I agree the love child they refer to is Hera. No way Starbuck's kid (Casey) is a LOVE child.

And, how do we know it's her kid? Leobon told her her ovary was saved, but he could be lying through his enamel. We have no proof that that is true, could be any kid. Could even be another cylon? a number we haven't met yet? Do they have to be adults? That way, if killed, she'd just download. Or, she could be the product of another human female and Leobon, or any male cylon.

The producers did the same thing back in the episodes where Starbuck went back for the arrow when the resistance was driving around in Hummers. It just kind of makes the whole believability thing go out the window.
I guess you don't like the face that they use projectile weapons (guns) instead of lasers and atomic/conventional missiles instead of photon/quantum torpedos?

This just goes further to show the parallel evolution of Earth and the people of the colonies. While they are ahead in things such as space travel and FTL, they are equal on many levels.

I guess you don't like the face that they use projectile weapons (guns) instead of lasers and atomic/conventional missiles instead of photon/quantum torpedos?

This just goes further to show the parallel evolution of Earth and the people of the colonies. While they are ahead in things such as space travel and FTL, they are equal on many levels.

I love the show and also agree, there is no way that another planet in another galaxy would have Business suits, Pick up trucks, have food like mash pot and other Earth based foods.

Now with weapons tech, there is a high level of chance that most species would have some sort of projectile weapons before they get more laser like weapons. projectile weapons in space could be more powerful then a micro asteroid or piece of space dust.

But this show is not about ships or weapons or other tech. This great show is about people....

Those are classic Dodge Power Wagons, dude! That was the basic chassis used on just about every vehicle in WWII & Korea except tanks and Willys (jeeps).

Anyway, with respect, get over it. This is a basic cable show; what would you have them do? Have their limited art department fashion futuristic vehicles? They don't have the budget for that kind of stuff; this isn't a $100 million feature film like 'Minority Report' (which did have specially fabricated futuristic Lexus's. That's known as "product placement").

This is a military-style show which uses all the conventions of U.S. military tactics and nomenclature. Using real military vehicles just adds to the realism, IMO. And, besides, they don't really have any choice.
I think it's cool, like the phone type thing Adama uses to address the ship's crew, all that retro stuff adds character to the show, I don't see it being a sign of lack of production money(even though it probably is). :)

Remember this series is being shown on the cable network. It's considered a hit if they get two to three million viewers per episode.
I remember Enterprise was getting over twenty million viewers for a major network, with lots of ILM graphics and that series was cancelled for lack of viewers.
Budgets mean everything to Battlestar, that's why you see Hummers, guns and lot's of sets that look like the forrests of British Columbia.

I think it's cool, like the phone type thing Adama uses to address the ship's crew, all that retro stuff adds character to the show, I don't see it being a sign of lack of production money(even though it probably is). :)

Don't forget those analog phones are on the Galactica because they got rid of digital stuff in the first cylon war. I think that was covered in the mini-series :)

Go study! j/k

Those 2 1/2 ton trucks were left over from the Great Escape where the prisioners were taken out to a field and were told to stretch their legs and 51 were then gun down. True story.

[QUOTE=drsimnal]No one's posted about last night's ep??????? Didn't know cylons could dream, that was weird.

From Blade Runner. Do androids dream of electric sheep?

Don't forget those analog phones are on the Galactica because they got rid of digital stuff in the first cylon war. I think that was covered in the mini-series :)

Go study! j/k

No Adama would never let the techs upgrade any of the computer systems, network them together or upgrade the internal ships com system (phones)

No Adama would never let the techs upgrade any of the computer systems, network them together or upgrade the internal ships com system (phones)

He wouldn't even allow them to do it during peacetime and just prior to Galactica's scheduled decommissioning. Hard Core. His first argument with Roslin.

Speaking of being written off the show...

What the heck are they going to do with Baltar now?

With Roslin and Zarek surviving the planned execution, I don't think they'll be in a forgiving mood about him signing their death order.

Does he stay behind and go over to the Cylon side completely? As their "pet" human?

For those who are more familiar with the old series - wasn't the Dr. Baltar character completely evil and in league with the Cylons?

I need to watch some of the old episodes...

DE

Speaking of being written off the show...

What the heck are they going to do with Baltar now?

With Roslin and Zarek surviving the planned execution, I don't think they'll be in a forgiving mood about him signing their death order.

Does he stay behind and go over to the Cylon side completely? As their "pet" human?

For those who are more familiar with the old series - wasn't the Dr. Baltar character completely evil and in league with the Cylons?

I need to watch some of the old episodes...

DE

I have heard Baltar will be in all of season 3. Read below for possible spoilers



From what I have read, someone becomes a colonial prisoner who turns out a few episodes in the 2nd. half of the 3rd. season as a cylon. Could be Baltar!

I need to watch some of the old episodes...


Oh no, oh my goodness no.... They were horrible back then, imagine how pitiful they'd be now! Save your eyes! :p

But I think the "old" Baltar was a human and the leader of the Cylons. As to the "new" Baltar, he's a survivor. He may weasel his way back into the fleet, or go over completely to the Cylons. One of the more fascinating questions of this season is where they're going to go with his character.

Oh no, oh my goodness no.... They were horrible back then, imagine how pitiful they'd be now! Save your eyes! :p

But I think the "old" Baltar was a human and the leader of the Cylons. As to the "new" Baltar, he's a survivor. He may weasel his way back into the fleet, or go over completely to the Cylons. One of the more fascinating questions of this season is where they're going to go with his character.

The old Baltar was also a weasel, and was forced to work for the Cylons to help the Imperious Leader exterminate the Human Race. He was a self serving rat who only wanted to protect his own skin.

The old Baltar was also a weasel, and was forced to work for the Cylons to help the Imperious Leader exterminate the Human Race. He was a self serving rat who only wanted to protect his own skin.

Only for the curious. You've been warned:

In the original made for TV movie, the Cylons beheaded him with a, "I'm afraid you missed the point...". In the series, they stopped before the sword did him in and he eventually commanded a basestar and pursued the Galactica

[QUOTE=drsimnal]No one's posted about last night's ep??????? Didn't know cylons could dream, that was weird.

From Blade Runner. Do androids dream of electric sheep?
Actually, the original Philip K. Dick story from which the movie Blade Runner was developed was titled "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?". Some editions of Dick's novel printed after the movie was released were re-titled "Blade Runner (Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep)" to capitalize on the movie's popularity.

Tony

Oh no, oh my goodness no.... They were horrible back then, imagine how pitiful they'd be now! Save your eyes! :p


It's funny, I keep coming across these angry rants from fans of the old show who absolutely despise the new one. I remember seeing there was a marathon of the old ones on Sci-Fi once and I watched one of them briefly, and it was so obvious that it could not even touch the new one in terms of depth of writing, the quality of the acting, and the power of the drama. Sure, I didn't watch enough to be able to judge fairly, but it's funny that fans of the old show are offended that the new one is trying to be more than that one aspired to be. Sometimes purists have a point, but this is a case where purists are being dogmatic.

Bear in mind that most of those old die-hard fans of the original have now come around and are as big a fan of the new series as you or I. Sure, there are a few hold-outs, but their numbers are now so small as to be statistically irrelevant, I should think. There sure wasn't anything in the old show that was worth getting nostalgic about; it was painfully juvenile and just plain awful on every level. They're probably pining more for their lost youth than anything else and that show might have been a big element of it, at least in their minds.

Those 2 1/2 ton trucks were left over from the Great Escape where the prisioners were taken out to a field and were told to stretch their legs and 51 were then gun down. True story.

I'm not saying they should blow the budget on some space-age transports. Why have trucks at all? They're not in that large an area and are confined to a rather small city. Just march the prisoners out of town or something.

Anyway, I remember thinking the whole "let them stretch their legs" scene was right out of great WWII movie too when I saw it but wasn't it 'Battle of the Bulge'?

I'm not saying they should blow the budget on some space-age transports. Why have trucks at all? They're not in that large an area and are confined to a rather small city. Just march the prisoners out of town or something.

Anyway, I remember thinking the whole "let them stretch their legs" scene was right out of great WWII movie too when I saw it but wasn't it 'Battle of the Bulge'?

It was both. The Battle of Bulge incident actually happened, although historical facts point to the fact that it was an unfortunate incident that escalated out of control. Someone resisted, then people began running, then the shots started firing. That's not me being an apologist, just pointing out what the historians have dug up.

The Great Escape incident happened and was an outright case of intentional slaughter to make a point about escapes not being tolerated.

They're probably pining more for their lost youth than anything else and that show might have been a big element of it, at least in their minds.


That's it exactly. I was probably 10 years old when the original came out, and it was an EVENT. I still remember the stinking news broadcast cut in to show Carter, Begin, and Sadat sign the Israeli-Egpyt Peace Plan. What a crock?! World Peace? Over good TV? :-)

The series held fond memories for me, with the exception of Galactica 1980...that NEVER happened, understand!? Yes it was cheesy, yes the effects were bad, the acting worse. But it was the only thing like on TV at the time.

I remember hearing they were going to remake BSG and thought 'what a crock'. They've been remaking almost everything and most of the remakes have sucked, or have simply parodied the original.

I was very pleasantly surprised when the miniseries rocked, and VERY happy when it got picked up for a full season. I can't even watch the original anymore, it's lost even it's sentimental value :-)

Thanks for the replies re: Baltar. I'm avoiding the spoilers for now.

It's funny, I keep coming across these angry rants from fans of the old show who absolutely despise the new one. I remember seeing there was a marathon of the old ones on Sci-Fi once and I watched one of them briefly, and it was so obvious that it could not even touch the new one in terms of depth of writing, the quality of the acting, and the power of the drama. Sure, I didn't watch enough to be able to judge fairly, but it's funny that fans of the old show are offended that the new one is trying to be more than that one aspired to be. Sometimes purists have a point, but this is a case where purists are being dogmatic.

Agreed.

One of the many brilliant things about the new show - is that they found something in the old show that was worth saving. I never thought of it as anything other than a total cheese-fest, but clearly there was potential in the storyline.

So say we all!

DE

Thanks for the replies re: Baltar. I'm avoiding the spoilers for now.


Me too, but it's hard man, it's hard. Peter, you shouldn't have done that to us. It's like the apple in the Garden of Eden, sitting up there in its white box... :p

Any concern that the cutbacks that NBC/Universal announced this week will bring about the cancellation of this show? It's got to be pretty expensive to produce.

Me too, but it's hard man, it's hard. Peter, you shouldn't have done that to us. It's like the apple in the Garden of Eden, sitting up there in its white box... :p

Sorry about that. It is intended for the curious who want to know about the "old" Baltar...without having to actually endure the movie or the series.

Of course, if we were doing true confessions, I would have to admit as others have that the original Battlestar Galactica was THE show for me to watch back in the day. For the time, great special effects (ok, they did use the SAME ones over and over again---you got to memorize the "bank right and the Cylon ship blows up" or the "they got my high engine".

Dirk Benedict was my favorite character as Starbuck. Would I want him instead of the current Starbuck, ummmmmm, NO!!

I tend to view the two series as separate franchises entirely. I will always have the memory of guys in badly fitting tin suits and roving red eye spots saying "By your command"....but to deny watching the new BSG for sentimental reasons?? Yikes, what a shame.

I use to watch the old Galactica and never missed an episode. It was great entertainment for it's time. And I still wouldn't mind having Lloyd Bridges at the helm of the Pegasus. And I wish they would show an old style Cylon one time saying "By your command". But as far as a comparison of shows. This is like comparing Laurence Olivier doing Hamlet to Pauley Shore doing ... anything. :p

I knew I could find this. This was my favorite line from the old show. It is not a spoiler.


Cylon Centurion: Our Raiders are all destroyed.
Imperious Leader: All destroyed? How? We took them by surprise.
Cylon Centurion: Apparently it was not as big a surprise as we had hoped for.

Cylon Centurion: Our Raiders are all destroyed.
Imperious Leader: All destroyed? How? We took them by surprise.
Cylon Centurion: Apparently it was not as big a surprise as we had hoped for.

This really cracks me up - not only is it funny, but I watched about 10 mins of the original show about a year ago, and I saw this exact exchange. Lucky me :)

Sorry about that. It is intended for the curious who want to know about the "old" Baltar...without having to actually endure the movie or the series.


Oh, it's about the old Baltar! That would fall firmly in my "who cares?" category. I was afraid it was a spoiler about the fate of the new Baltar. <whew> ;)

Any concern that the cutbacks that NBC/Universal announced this week will bring about the cancellation of this show? It's got to be pretty expensive to produce.

Yes, that concerns me as well. I hope that the budget for BSG is fairly well insulated as both the suits at the Sci-Fi channel and NBCU all know how important this show is to the junior network. It is the flagship show for Sci-Fi.

They better not cut it with ratings like this:

http://www.metacritic.com/tv/shows/battlestargalacticaseason3

http://www.tv.com/battlestar-galactica-2003/show/23557/story.html?story_id=6673&tag=story_list;title;0

Most watched (cable) show on Fri night? There's no way they'll touch it. (Now, if it was fox.... :p)

I doubt the show is that expensive. They have already cut animation budget by bringing it in-house. The actors really aren't that great. I know people will get pissed for me saying that, but what would all of these people be doing if they didn't have the show? My best friend met a bunch of the actors and I remember him saying Lee was disenchanted with his character and the show. He obviously came to realize that quitting the show would result in a long period of unemployment. In Hollywood there is a class of great actors and then there is everyone else. You can get everyone else for very cheap.

My best friend met a bunch of the actors and I remember him saying Lee was disenchanted with his character and the show. He obviously came to realize that quitting the show would result in a long period of unemployment.

Well, that's the first I've ever heard of anyone involved with this show being unhappy about any aspect of it. They seem to be a pretty content bunch from all the media accounts you read, what with all the praise the show is getting. Could you get your friend (the Cylon animator, right?) to elaborate on just what Jamie's "beef" is? Or maybe it's just the slovenly direction they've taken him in... he seems like a guy that was pretty proud of being so buff and likes to stay in shape.

And I think I've asked you this question before, but does "bringing the animation in-house" mean that Zoic Studios (who has done such an amazing job with this show and 'Firefly') is completely out of the show now?

Well, that's the first I've ever heard of anyone involved with this show being unhappy about any aspect of it. They seem to be a pretty content bunch from all the media accounts you read, what with all the praise the show is getting. Could you get your friend (the Cylon animator, right?) to elaborate on just what Jamie's "beef" is? Or maybe it's just the slovenly direction they've taken him in... he seems like a guy that was pretty proud of being so buff and likes to stay in shape.
This was his impression and the feeling he got from meeting him. It was about a year ago, so I doubt he remembers the finer points. I think he was unhappy with being typecast. I don't know it might be he was just pissed that he had to do this event. It is funny that Tricia was extremely nice and friendly at this same event.


And I think I've asked you this question before, but does "bringing the animation in-house" mean that Zoic Studios (who has done such an amazing job with this show and 'Firefly') is completely out of the show now?

He is not sure, but believes that to be the case. They recruited some of the guys from Zoic and elsewhere, so it is not a total loss. I haven't asked him about the overall effects this year. As you can expect, he has focused on what he considers the amateurish pogo stick Cylon animation.:)

Ummm - can anyone tell me why my local guide is showing the Exodus episode being re-run tonight instead of something new. Hell, we're only 3 hours into Season 3 and we're getting re-runs? And there's no Threshold listed either. What's up?

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Ummm - can anyone tell me why my local guide is showing the Exodus episode being re-run tonight instead of something new. Hell, we're only 3 hours into Season 3 and we're getting re-runs? And there's no Threshold listed either. What's up?It's Exodus Part 2, last week was Exodus Part 1. We've gotten used to creative names for two-parters so there might be some confusion with this one.

The SciFi Schedule shows back to back showings of this episode for some reason, along with the usual later showing.

It's Exodus Part 2, last week was Exodus Part 1. We've gotten used to creative names for two-parters so there might be some confusion with this one.

The SciFi Schedule shows back to back showings of this episode for some reason, along with the usual later showing.

Thanks. I Blame the frakking guide that lists it as Exodus (no Part II) 3x for the same evening. Feel; like I'm playing russian roulette with the DVR. ;)

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The space effects tonight are incredible. Gorgeous stuff with the Vipers and Raptors moving through the dust clouds.

That in-atmosphere jump was cool as hell!

OMG.....

Thats about all I can say for now.

Oh wow.... frakin bad ass eps. Love the Space fights.

Best frakin episode yet!!
I wish it was on DVD or HD right now... excellent SFX too!!! :D :D :D

Ahhhh ****, imagine HD-DVD version of this eps......

That in-atmosphere jump was cool as hell!

Along with the whole sequence of the Battlestar entering the atmosphere - very cool.

It even looked good with a zoomed in D* signal. I can only imagine how this is going to look with UHD gets around to showing it. I agree that those space battle shots were amazing.

Tigh did the necessary thing and the writers did a great job in creating that scene.

I think I felt more sorry for Pegasus, though.

I was floored tonight. This show if available on either HD-DVD or Blu-Ray would probably convince me to upgrade. Wow. This episode in HD will could be reference pq material. I bet the sound will be amazing as well....

Wow.

I don't know if I've ever seen an episode of BSG that absolutely BEGGED for HD like this one. Sci-Fi has got to get an HD channel pronto!

Some of the best on TV.

Goodbye Ellen Tigh. You won't be missed, you fraking Cylon whore. Saul did you too easy.

I wish they could push up the UHD schedule - re-air it like a week later? That would make my month.

Wife calls it Babylon Galactica. I ask, when's the pilot?

What episode is it up to on UHD?

No idea - I'd have to look it up. I just know they air the previous season(s).

I think Sunday's ep on UHD is Flight of the Phoenix from first half of Season Two.

Tonight's episode was terrific. I just sat there and watched it again at 10:00! LOL The effects on this television show are amazing. Heck, after this episode, we may not see another CGI effect for the next month!

But the characters and writing is what makes it so special anyway. I felt horrible for Tigh and for Starbuck, even though I think she was an idiot for believing that was her kid. I suppose if you're locked up for four months without any human interaction, you latch on to whatever keeps you sane.

Amazing show. I truly feel sorry for people who aren't watching it.

gotta agree with everyone said here....it was one fantastic episode....

NBC tried airing a couple eps. last year to try to increase viewerbase? They should put this episode on NBC. Air it right after Heroes. Every commercial break during Heroes show off this awesome cgi.

Ok, I guessed this from a mile away. Hera is now with the Cylons.

Good episode, but I still wish they would have stayed on the planet for the whole season.

I too was hoping they would stay the entire season on New Caprica. Oh well, can't accuse them of dragging things out. Awesome action packed episode. Great show, keeps getting better. I may have to bump off Quantum Leap as my favorite sci-fi series.

But the characters and writing is what makes it so special anyway.

Amazing show. I truly feel sorry for people who aren't watching it.
Man, I'm glad somebody said this.

Yeah, special effects were way up there, but the storyline and character development was something staright out of a Shakespeare tragedy and is what really drives this show. I don't see how Col. Tigh or Kara's characters will ever be the same after last night's events.

BTW, did anyone else get the sense that Ellen Tigh knew she was drinking the poison as a final act of contrition and to show Saul how much she really loved him?

OTOH, I thought Apollo's facial prosthetics looked particularly cheesy last night and were distracting. Time to get this boy on the Subway diet.

BTW II, I don't know if this has been mentioned before but Bravo (another GE/NBC microwave product) aired 2 eps of BSG during the past week. I agree, its time for GE to stop shoring up the Sci Fi channel and start showing the eps on UHD closer in time to the SciFi airings.

So say we all.

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I loved when Adama realized they were screwed when the FTL drive was down and said to the command staff, "It's been a privilege" Almos has a way of delivering even a emotionally weighty line like that with a quiet dignity. And Katee Sackhoff did a nice job at the end when she realized she'd been played by Leoben.

Starbuck and Tigh and going to be messed up for some time to come.

... I may have to bump off Quantum Leap as my favorite sci-fi series...

Heresy! :)

...and totally O.T.:

When Sam Beckett took a quantum leap where no man had gone before, it was an enterprise worthy of all the heroes of the past. That star was able to trek into places that reached from the inner mind to the outer limits. It could have been the threshold of an invasion, or a battle beyond the stars.

Quantum Leap will never be filed in some twilight zone of the forgotten.

We now return control of this thread back to you.

BTW, did anyone else get the sense that Ellen Tigh knew she was drinking the poison as a final act of contrition and to show Saul how much she really loved him?



I don't know if you listen to Ron Moore's podcasts, but he touches on this a bit on his commentary for this episode. He doesn't actually give you the answer, but he suggests that it's open for interpretation.

I loved the way she had a chance to confess all her sins to Saul before her death. It was kind of like she knew it was coming, whether she knew he would do it right there or not. So, she felt like she had to tell him... everything.

Ellen used to be my least favorite character on the show, but this season has at least made me re-think how I felt about her. She really really loved the old guy. What she did was wrong (selling out humanity), but I can understand her motivations. It was sad to see her die, and I never would've believed I'd say that while I was watching Season One.

Having said all that, if someone was going to die, it might as well have been her. Or Cally. :p

Heresy! :)

...and totally O.T.:

When Sam Beckett took a quantum leap where no man had gone before, it was an enterprise worthy of all the heroes of the past. That star was able to trek into places that reached from the inner mind to the outer limits. It could have been the threshold of an invasion, or a battle beyond the stars.

Quantum Leap will never be filed in some twilight zone of the forgotten.

We now return control of this thread back to you.

My favorite QL episode was when he lept into that guy wearing the Starfleet uniform.

;)

Ellen used to be my least favorite character on the show, but this season has at least made me re-think how I felt about her. She really really loved the old guy. What she did was wrong (selling out humanity), but I can understand her motivations. It was sad to see her die, and I never would've believed I'd say that while I was watching Season One.



This is the kind of stuff that separates a good show from a great show, imho.

I don't know if you listen to Ron Moore's podcasts, but he touches on this a bit on his commentary for this episode. He doesn't actually give you the answer, but he suggests that it's open for interpretation.
Nah, I tried a LOST podcast once, and found it incredibly boring and self-indulgent, so I've tended to avoid podcasts generally ever since. How good are Moore's?


I loved the way she had a chance to confess all her sins to Saul before her death. It was kind of like she knew it was coming, whether she knew he would do it right there or not. So, she felt like she had to tell him... everything.
Oh, I think she definitely knew it was coming, simply an issue of who would deliver the message.


Ellen used to be my least favorite character on the show, but this season has at least made me re-think how I felt about her. She really really loved the old guy. What she did was wrong (selling out humanity), but I can understand her motivations. It was sad to see her die, and I never would've believed I'd say that while I was watching Season One.
That's evidence of why the writing on this show is so good. Of course, if I had a cynical nature (which of course, I don't :rolleyes: ), if you're going to be killed by your spouse after having made those kind of sacrifices (Dean Stockwell is no chick magnet :) ) than I can't think of a more potent parting mind-frak than to proclaim your love and sacrifices to make certain the Colonel's guilt will screw up the rest of his life. :D

Having said all that, if someone was going to die, it might as well have been her. Or Cally. :p
I'd trade both for Ensign Ro in a heartbeat. :)

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Nah, I tried a LOST podcast once, and found it incredibly boring and self-indulgent, so I've tended to avoid podcasts generally ever since. How good are Moore's?




They are self-indulgent sometimes, but he does give some interesting information. A lot of it focuses on why they made the decisions they made regarding cuts, changes in script/plot/story, etc. In this one, he touched on how tough it was doing the scene where Ellen dies, how difficult it was to inform the actress about it, stuff like that.

His wife is sometimes there and she can be distracting, but I still enjoy them for the extra bits of information I get. I suppose it's really only for people who have to hear every little detail available about the show. This is the only show that I'd bother to listen to its podcast.

It's neat to get his reactions just after the show airs, rather than having to wait for a DVD commentary six months later.

At the current rate, and if there's no break between seasons, we should see season 3 on UHD around the second week of January.

This episode & Show deserves more national coverage. I have already watched it 6 times.

The Best Show on TV.

It's not often a TV show or Movie can bring a tear to my eye, or make the hair on the back of my neck stand up, but last night's episode was the finest hour long tv show I've seen in a long long long long time.

The people with the Emmy's should be shot for overlooking what is the best show on TV today.

Everything was just so powerful and emotional. We knew Lee would come back with the Pegasys, but when the missles started flying and we saw his ship barrel into the battle... I couldn't help but cheer.

My only fear is that the first few episodes have been so powerful, everything else will be a let down.

My favorite QL episode was when he lept into that guy wearing the Starfleet uniform.

;)

You mean Star Trek - Enterprise? :D

You mean Star Trek - Enterprise? :D

Yep. Just having fun.

That in-atmosphere jump was cool as hell!

That was the coolest, along with the Vipers shooting out through the flames.

Best frakin episode yet!!
I wish it was on DVD or HD right now... excellent SFX too!!! :D :D :D

Yeah, after hearing they had moved that In-House I was concerned the quality might drop off...not concerned anymore :-)

Tigh did the necessary thing and the writers did a great job in creating that scene.

I think I felt more sorry for Pegasus, though.


Yeah, we all knew that was coming. She did get off easy. I felt bad for Tigh. He looks like a broken old man now. I hope they spend a little time bringing him back up to strength. It would be a shame if he showed up all shaved and full of strength next episode.

Pegasus lasted a LOT longer than I thought it would (as far as the series goes). Combat scenes were awesome.

I felt horrible for Tigh and for Starbuck, even though I think she was an idiot for believing that was her kid. I suppose if you're locked up for four months without any human interaction, you latch on to whatever keeps you sane.




Yeah. Although now that I know it was a human child, I'm glad she went back for her. Thought she was a fool at the time.

I too was hoping they would stay the entire season on New Caprica. Oh well, can't accuse them of dragging things out.


I'm so glad they are off that rock. The storyline had served a purpose and moved the show forward a year and a half. And getting them off that planet provided us with the best episode yet. But you can only drag that rebellion thing for so long. The show is about Galactica and the Fleet, and humanity's search for a new home. Glad they are getting back to it now that the New Caprica experiment is over.

Great episode!

My only question is: why are these guys so afraid to use nukes against the Cylons?

Assuming Adama didn't give Baltar his last warhead (for the Cylon detector), when you're confronted with four Cylon base ships and you're going to die, why not nuke 'em?

~Dan

Glad I wasn't the only one cheering (uncharacteristic for me) when the cavalry (Pegasus) came back...Bear Mccreary did a nifty job with the music cues for the 'death of the Galactica'...dramatic pause...and then, whoomp whoomp and attack drum sequence for the Pegasus. The moment could have been very overplayed but it wasn't.

I'd figured with all the rumors flying this was when she was gonna bite it as it felt like this would be the price paid for rescuing the colonists, not to mention it should make for better plotwriting going forward. Moore's podcast on how even he decided to give it a send off that wasn't terribly realistic but satisfying was insightful, along with the fact the visual effects guys put up a "SAVE THE PEGASUS" banner on the Universal lot. A riot.

This, Resurrection Part II, and Captain's Hand are the three reference episodes I really, really, really want to see in HD (since I don't have UHD right now). My real regret about them taking the beast out is that we're very likely not to see any detailed capital ship combat going forward, which is why I bet the visual effects guys were pissed too. :)

I'm so glad they are off that rock.Agreed; it was so cold and dreary looking, I got cold every time they showed the surface-dwellers. Best frakkin' show on TV...

One of the best episodes I have seen from watching 3 seasons of BSG... probably rivaling the original Mini-Series, Pegasus (1 & 2) and Resurrection Ship (1 & 2) episodes IMHO.

The action was really good but I thought the best scene of the episode last night was the one that showed Tigh with his wife expiring in his arms...

Yeah, we all knew that was coming. She did get off easy. I felt bad for Tigh. He looks like a broken old man now. I hope they spend a little time bringing him back up to strength. It would be a shame if he showed up all shaved and full of strength next episode.

Pegasus lasted a LOT longer than I thought it would (as far as the series goes). Combat scenes were awesome.

from the previews of next week...Tigh definitely isn't clean shaven and his old self. Looks like he may be leading a group of vigilantes taking revenge against those that collaborated with the Cylons on New Caprica.

Definitely cool the way Pegasus took out two base ships.

So where did Baltar and number 6 go and did he maybe get on a Colonial ship somehow.

Also pretty neat the way Roslin took back the presidency (at least I think she did).

Ellen a Cylon????

By the way, I was a fan of the original (shows my age) and when I first heard about the new BSG, i was not too excited....starbuck a girl? Boomer a girl? But i was hooked at the initial miniseries and have not regretted the changes in the least.

I'm DVRing these episodes and will most likely burn them to DVD...

until next week....

Wow. Just watched this ep last night, and am still speechless. I'd like to say Best. Episode. Ever., but there have been so many.....

Every single emotion there is got dragged out of the audience last night, yet nothing felt over the top. This show is just so ridiculously well written and produced. And the effects, just....wow again. They had to have burned up a whole bunch of episode vfx budgets with last night's show. One amazing scene after another; you just got drunk with it all after awhile.

I really, honestly, feel sorry for people who say they like good TV but who aren't watching this show. They simply don't know what they're missing. Got to watch this again...

Definitely cool the way Pegasus took out two base ships.

So where did Baltar and number 6 go and did he maybe get on a Colonial ship somehow.

Also pretty neat the way Roslin took back the presidency (at least I think she did).




I thought it was three....1 as they first arrived, and two during their suicide ramming.

They hopped on a Cylon transport...so it looks like he's with the Cylons now for the time being.

She was the runner up...and since Baltar's entire administration wound up surrendering and collaborating with the Cylons, I don't think it would be a stretch to see her sworn in again.

I thought it was three....1 as they first arrived, and two during their suicide ramming.

They hopped on a Cylon transport...so it looks like he's with the Cylons now for the time being.

She was the runner up...and since Baltar's entire administration wound up surrendering and collaborating with the Cylons, I don't think it would be a stretch to see her sworn in again.

Peggy took out 3 Cylon BS.

yep...forgot about the first one when the Pegasus came in with guns blazing...the entire sequence was really cool...begging for HD....

Ellen a Cylon????Oh, yeah; I wonder if she'll return.

Ellen is/was not a Cylon. But Dee... I've long suspected her of being a Cylon deep-cover agent. We shall see.

Ellen is/was not a Cylon. But Dee... I've long suspected her of being a Cylon deep-cover agent. We shall see.

I've been suspicious of Dee since the episode "Valley of Darkness". The Cylon raiding party was tearing through the ship and for some reason left Dee alive after shooting up everybody else. :rolleyes:


Side note to this episode. I loved the scene where Tigh comes to realize the Cylons strategy and tells the other just what they are going to do. It was a great scene but left me thinking about how he knew. Anyway, at SciFi.com they have a deleted scene of this that is much longer and explains it all.

Wow. Just watched this ep last night, and am still speechless. I'd like to say Best. Episode. Ever., but there have been so many.....

Every single emotion there is got dragged out of the audience last night, yet nothing felt over the top. This show is just so ridiculously well written and produced. And the effects, just....wow again. They had to have burned up a whole bunch of episode vfx budgets with last night's show. One amazing scene after another; you just got drunk with it all after awhile.

I really, honestly, feel sorry for people who say they like good TV but who aren't watching this show. They simply don't know what they're missing. Got to watch this again...

I won't belabor this as I think people are tiring of the animation talk. My friend went to visit Universal last week and says everything is in-house now. Since the animators are now full time employees, I don't think there is a budget.

As for the people who aren't watching this show, I must agree. I have said that I am not as in love with this show as most everyone here. My problem is everytime I think I am watching a lot of TV I run the numbers and it is not that much. If you eliminated football and HD movies (Eternal Sunshine the last one I watched), then I don't watch that much primetime.





She was the runner up...and since Baltar's entire administration wound up surrendering and collaborating with the Cylons, I don't think it would be a stretch to see her sworn in again.

Plus, what will happen with her and Zarek? Is he going to be a part of the admin?

What happened to Gaeta? He was going to shoot Baltar and then let him go. I hope he got aboard the convoy.

What happened to Gaeta? He was going to shoot Baltar and then let him go. I hope he got aboard the convoy.

He did...he was on the same ship that carried Tigh...

I won't belabor this as I think people are tiring of the animation talk. My friend went to visit Universal last week and says everything is in-house now. Since the animators are now full time employees, I don't think there is a budget.

As for the people who aren't watching this show, I must agree. I have said that I am not as in love with this show as most everyone here. My problem is everytime I think I am watching a lot of TV I run the numbers and it is not that much. If you eliminated football and HD movies (Eternal Sunshine the last one I watched), then I don't watch that much primetime.





Plus, what will happen with her and Zarek? Is he going to be a part of the admin?

What happened to Gaeta? He was going to shoot Baltar and then let him go. I hope he got aboard the convoy.

I bet Roslin will be the Pres and have Zarek as her VP.

I bet Roslin will be the Pres and have Zarek as her VP.

Zarek is still a nut job...once things settle down, he and Roslin should be at odds once again...

Goodbye Ellen Tigh. You won't be missed, you fraking Cylon whore. Saul did you too easy.
So say we all!!!

No, we don't :)

Ellen was often a pain in the ass, but she wasn't a cylon. The scenes with her and Cavill make little to no sense if she were. Even assuming she was a sleeper agent, there comes a time when you tell your sleepers who they really are so they can start being useful for you (see, e.g., Boomer at the end of season 1). It makes no sense at all that instead of doing that, Cavill would go through the charade of blackmailing Ellen for sex if she were a cylon. None whatsoever. Especialy if they'd known for some time how important Tigh was in the resistance.

And I think it's obvious from this episode that whatever else you want to say about Ellen, she really loved Tigh. There's no way she was a cylon.

Ellen is/was not a Cylon. But Dee... I've long suspected her of being a Cylon deep-cover agent. We shall see.

A sleeper agent is no good if they don't act. She could have sabotaged the entire rescue effort but didn't. So if she is, they are saving her for something more important...don't know what that might possibly be.

What happened to Gaeta? He was going to shoot Baltar and then let him go. I hope he got aboard the convoy.

They showed him at the end, and he's in the previews for next week. He'll likely be put on trial for war crimes by the vigilantes. Hopefully chief can step up and vouch for him as his 'source'

They showed him at the end, and he's in the previews for next week. He'll likely be put on trial for war crimes by the vigilantes. Hopefully chief can step up and vouch for him as his 'source'

Chief never knew who the source was.

A sleeper agent is no good if they don't act. She could have sabotaged the entire rescue effort but didn't. So if she is, they are saving her for something more important...don't know what that might possibly be.

Don't worry, Ron Moore (or the Cylons for that matter) may not know yet, either. ;)

Remember, we've only seen 7 of the 12 Cylon models. Some, perhaps, have already been "boxed" and we'll never see them. But, there could be others yet to be revealed and Dee would be a hellacious ace in the hole. I don't believe there are any other sleeper Cylons in the rest of the cast we're familiar with up to now. I got faith in Dee, though. :)

Chief never knew who the source was.


Yes but he can verify the method used to check all their communications (dog's water bowl and the drawer)

Should be good enough

He can also recount all the stuff he passed to them...

There's no way she was a cylon.Riiight, and Deckard's not a replicant....oops--wrong thread. Adama went through a heap of trouble to reunite her with Saul. Guess it was all for nothing.

Might be a silly question but why is this thread in the 'Cable, Digital Cable - Non-HDTV' forum anyway? Can't I get BSG off satellite or the OTA? ;)

not OTA, because it's on Sci-Fi, which is a 'cable' channel, not a 'network' channel. Sure, you could get it off satellite though. I think that's the deal. Also, it's only in HD on UHD, which doesn't transmit OTA either, and it only shows past seasons.

Might be a silly question but why is this thread in the 'Cable, Digital Cable - Non-HDTV' forum anyway? Can't I get BSG off satellite or the OTA? ;)

Because it airs originaly on sci-fi, sci-fi is not a hdtv or ota channel.

+1 On this being the best episode ever...I've watched it 3 times. The special affects, the storyline....this was major motion picture quality work here. IMO I was in awe!

Even better than the episode where Lucy Lawless played the fleet reporter (that was the best to date before this)

Anyway I cant wait for this to air on UHD...Indeed the best show on right now

Well, Dee is at the heart of the communications aspect, so it would be an appropriate placement for her among the humans. But the only good reason I can think of for the writers to make her a Cylon, would be to make killing her off more palatable once they're ready to couple-up Apollo and Starbuck.

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Well, Dee is at the heart of the communications aspect, so it would be an appropriate placement for her among the humans. But the only good reason I can think of for the writers to make her a Cylon, would be to make killing her off more palatable once they're ready to couple-up Apollo and Starbuck.

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You've been reading my brain. I just said this to a friend the other day.

+1 On this being the best episode ever...I've watched it 3 times. The special affects, the storyline....this was major motion picture quality work here. IMO I was in awe!

Even better than the episode where Lucy Lawless played the fleet reporter (that was the best to date before this)

Anyway I cant wait for this to air on UHD...Indeed the best show on right nowI got caught up with the current episode of BSG... this show continues to impress... "so say we all." ;)

when the heck will the Sci Fi channel broadcast in HD?

I got caught up with the current episode of BSG... this show continues to impress... "so say we all." ;)

when the heck will the Sci Fi channel broadcast in HD?

No time soon; we're talking years. Maybe your grandchildren will see it.

Can't believe this show has not won a Raptor full of frakkin Emmys!

+1 On this being the best episode ever...I've watched it 3 times. The special affects, the storyline....this was major motion picture quality work here. IMO I was in awe!



It's funny, because I've watched this ep several times now. I really just meant to watch the battle scenes/effects, but I end up watching the whole thing :-)

How cool was Galactica 'swimming' through the cloud like a shark? Tomorrow's Friday right? :-)

No time soon; we're talking years. Maybe your grandchildren will see it.Eh, all this money spent on some rather expensive HD equipment and a "dearth" of content to fuel it with.How cool was Galactica 'swimming' through the cloud like shark?That scene was very cool. Tomorrow's Friday right? :-)Woo hoo... Wednesday night's with "Lost," Friday's are "BSG" and Sunday's are my "beloved" NYG... the highlights of my week. :rolleyes: yes, I realize I'm pathetic

Eh, all this money spent on some rather expensive HD equipment and a "dearth" of content to fuel it with.That scene was very cool. Woo hoo... Wednesday night's with "Lost," Friday's are "BSG" and Sunday's are my "beloved" NYG... the highlights of my week. :rolleyes: yes, I realize I'm pathetic

Have you ever seen the South Park Episode Make Love Not Warcraft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTZ_0lTWW8c)

We watch so much TV I think we may qualify.

Can't believe this show has not won a Raptor full of frakkin Emmys!

That's a frakkin' crime, no doubt. But at least they got a Peabody, which is a more prestigious award (too bad it doesn't carry as much weight in popular culture).

One reason for no Emmy's has to be the miniscule audience. There are 10 times as many people watching Dancing with the Stars or Desperate Housewives. Now, that's a crime. I don't expect "Big 4" numbers, but this show should at least draw as much as, say, The Closer. It's got 10 times as much buzz. Go figure. :confused:

Have you ever seen the South Park Episode Make Love Not Warcraft (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTZ_0lTWW8c)

We watch so much TV I think we may qualify.I've been playing with "bits & bytes" for the past 28 years... I have 6 more years in this profession before retirement, can I get a life by then?

There are 10 times as many people watching Dancing with the Stars or Desperate Housewives. Now, that's a crime. I don't expect "Big 4" numbers, but this show should at least draw as much as, say, The Closer. It's got 10 times as much buzz. Go figure. :confused:

Their loss.

Can't believe this show has not won a Raptor full of frakkin Emmys!

Mainly because it is science fiction. But how any serious emmy voter could ignore this last episode is beyond me. That was high drama, movie making, and some great acting from all involved. Big or little screen.

Mainly because it is science fiction. But how any serious emmy voter could ignore this last episode is beyond me. That was high drama, movie making, and some great acting from all involved. Big or little screen.

Who cares? Sure it deserves credit, but the Emmys are just a popularity contest....i.e.: Lost not even getting a nomination...screw the Academy, we don't need them to tell us OUR show is great!

Who cares? Sure it deserves credit, but the Emmys are just a popularity contest....i.e.: Lost not even getting a nomination...screw the Academy, we don't need them to tell us OUR show is great!

True, dat. But an Emmy nod for best dramatic series would have caused a lot of people not currently watching the show to sit up and take notice. NBCU could have pimped that nomination over all their platforms. It would have brought new viewers into the fold, and that's what we need.

Who knows? Maybe the new Emmy selection committee will get it right for next year's presentation.

Maybe we get lucky and BSG picks up a second Peabody award next April?

Who knows? Maybe the new Emmy selection committee will get it right for next year's presentation.

Maybe we get lucky and BSG picks up a second Peabody award next April?
Maybe if we pitched in and bribed the selection committe?
Whaaat? *shrugs* I answered in the form of a question :D.

How cool was Galactica 'swimming' through the cloud like shark? Tomorrow's Friday right? :-)

It was very very cool. In fact, I'd love to have a high res wallpaper of that. I guess we'll have to wait for it to come on UHD. Will someone remember and make a wallpaper for me? :p

True, dat. But an Emmy nod for best dramatic series would have caused a lot of people not currently watching the show to sit up and take notice. NBCU could have pimped that nomination over all their platforms. It would have brought new viewers into the fold, and that's what we need.


More viewers is what we need, keep the show going, it would be a disgrace and completely depressing if one of the best tv shows ever made got cancelled.

This show amazes me, I watch an episode and think to myself it can't get any better and then it gets better.

It's Friday!!

I say who cares if the show wins any awards or if the show increases viewership. It seems like the shows I like aren't the most popular. Does anyone besides myself watch Drawn Together?:) The show won't be cancelled. What else does SciFi have? Mansquito or any of a number of bad movies. I guess they could expand ECW.:)

FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS, STOP PUTTING SPOILERS IN THE OPENING CREDITS!!! I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE MY EYES ANYMORE AS SOON AS THE DRUMBEATS START!!!

:mad: :mad:

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that does that!

You know, it really doesn't bother me. I get so wrapped up in the story as it's progressing, I forget everything I saw in the opening credits. I do think the little show previews set to the drumbeat get your heart going, which is the idea of course. Maybe they could have their cake and eat it too:
What if the preview moments they do were essentially delayed one week? Then, they could be flashback moments back to the previous episode. Kind of in addition to the "Previously on BSG..." that they do right at the beginning. It would help remind you of last week's action, and still get you all pumped up. Win-win.

FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS, STOP PUTTING SPOILERS IN THE OPENING CREDITS!!! I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE MY EYES ANYMORE AS SOON AS THE DRUMBEATS START!!!

:mad: :mad:

They stopped doing it during the beginning of season 2. People complained, lots of them - they wanted the Spoilers/Previews sequence, so they put it back.

It's here to stay...live with it. :p

I'm so glad I'm not the only one that does that!

3rd or 5X fast forward on the DVR

They stopped doing it during the beginning of season 2. People complained, lots of them - they wanted the Spoilers/Previews sequence, so they put it back.

It's here to stay...live with it. :p

Why would they complain? What is to be gained from seeing the spoilers?

Why would they complain? What is to be gained from seeing the spoilers?


I dont know about you, but with the music and fast pace of the spoiler shots, it gets me into the mood for that episode.

they started it back up on Episode 5 of the 2nd. season. So only 4 episodes with the shorter opening title sequence.

:D

Somewhat off topic, but I want to be in a sandwich with 10 naked Sharon Valeriis. :D

3rd or 5X fast forward on the DVR

My solution too.

Another terrific episode tonight. Season 3 is off to a great start and I expect nothing other than them keeping it up the entire season.

Somewhat off topic, but I want to be in a sandwich with 10 naked Sharon Valeriis. :D

You would get no competition from me!!! I would rather live alone than snuggle up next to her.



A really cool episode. I thought that Gaeta was going to get out of it, but there was that doubt there at the end.

Had to watch it late tonight. Still, it was another great episode, the hour went by way too fast. Great show, Looks like Tom Z is still a snake, so much for the possible relationship with laura.

Were already almost to the halfway point of the season....

Greetings

The spoilers in the opening sequence is a nod to Space:1999 ... Ron Moore said as much back in season one ... and he also said something like ... "deal with it." :D

The missing openings in season two came about as an experiment from Sci FI to fit in more commercials in the time saved. SG1 and SGA both had shortened openings as well. By about mid season ... they went back to the longer openings.

Regards

You know, it really doesn't bother me. I get so wrapped up in the story as it's progressing, I forget everything I saw in the opening credits. I do think the little show previews set to the drumbeat get your heart going, which is the idea of course. Maybe they could have their cake and eat it too:
What if the preview moments they do were essentially delayed one week? Then, they could be flashback moments back to the previous episode. Kind of in addition to the "Previously on BSG..." that they do right at the beginning. It would help remind you of last week's action, and still get you all pumped up. Win-win.

I don't mind the spoilers in the opening sequence

They stopped doing it during the beginning of season 2. People complained, lots of them - they wanted the Spoilers/Previews sequence, so they put it back.

It's here to stay...live with it. :p

Always thought the people that get all up in arms about "Spoilers" was in the minority


Greetings

The spoilers in the opening sequence is a nod to Space:1999 ... Ron Moore said as much back in season one ... and he also said something like ... "deal with it." :D

Regards

Ahhhh that's where I seen it before..................I love it :p

Childhood fan of Space:1999. Have not seen it since

On New Year's Eve, 1998, I was working in a video store. I decided to play episodes of Space: 1999 so we could all see what 1999 would be like. But then they said it was taking place in 2043 or something like that! Man, was I pissed.

Greetings

The story started with the Sept 13, 1999 event. As they went through the various time warps ... earth time eventually passed much faster.

Regards

Wow...another amazing episodes...I had serious doubts that they could keep up the momentum, intensity and tension they had built in last week's New Caprica rescue...I was wrong. Not only did they do all those things above, they continue to make the show darker and darker. I love it. Great fracking episode...and next one looks good as well.

Does anyone think that Sal is off the bottle? I think this might have been the first episode where we didn't see him take a drink...I think Adama telling him to "sleep it off" was wrong...I don't think Sal was drunk at all...just very very angry.

S-1999 was essentially a weak ST rip-off and barely tolerable scifi. I watched it as a kid because I didn't know any better.

S-1999 was essentially a weak ST rip-off and barely tolerable scifi. I watched it as a kid because I didn't know any better.

By this logic then if S-1999 was a ST rip off then every SF is a ST rip off. S-1999 was completely different. The only similarity was that they both took place in space.

Wow...another amazing episodes...I had serious doubts that they could keep up the momentum, intensity and tension they had built in last week's New Caprica rescue...I was wrong. Not only did they do all those things above, they continue to make the show darker and darker. I love it. Great fracking episode...and next one looks good as well.

They just don't let up do they? This is the hardest workin' show in Show Business. :)

Does anyone think that Sal is off the bottle? I think this might have been the first episode where we didn't see him take a drink...I think Adama telling him to "sleep it off" was wrong...I don't think Sal was drunk at all...just very very angry.

I got that feeling too. On the other hand, I don't see recent events having any other effect on Tigh than driving him back to the bottle, and deeper than ever. Plus, he's back to being just another guy taking orders now instead of giving them. That probably won't sit too well with him, either. He probably figures he paid a higher price than just about anyone during the occupation.

Best line from Adama to Lee: "Keep jumping".

This is only slightly off topic and a bit of trivia I was wondering about. When Baltar was in the, [what is that a cell or a room with the cylon guard?], there was the typical red light panning back and forth on the wall. The fighters and centurions have it, as did the old cylons. But, when Glen Larson did Knight Rider, Kitt also had a roving red "eye".

Does anyone know, from a reliable source, what if anything, that is supposed to represent???

And just to keep current, yes, another well written and acted episode. Tom Zarek may be snakey, but his warped logic actually made some sense: that Roslyn could have deniability.

Starbuck was damaged goods before New Caprica. That child is downright dangerous now.

I got that feeling too. On the other hand, I don't see recent events having any other effect on Tigh than driving him back to the bottle, and deeper than ever. Plus, he's back to being just another guy taking orders now instead of giving them. That probably won't sit too well with him, either. He probably figures he paid a higher price than just about anyone during the occupation.

Yeah...and in Season 2, Ty's ordeal with leadership when Adama was shot really shows he did a 180 when faced with the same situation New Caprica...it sure will be itneresting to see if there is a power struggle for the military powers in the fleet...however, I don't think Ty has anywhere as many followers as Adama

Yeah...and in Season 2, Ty's ordeal with leadership when Adama was shot really shows he did a 180 when faced with the same situation New Caprica...it sure will be itneresting to see if there is a power struggle for the military powers in the fleet...however, I don't think Ty has anywhere as many followers as Adama

Sol may be many things, but he and Bill go so far back and Adama has cut him so much slack over the years that I can't see him doing an about face.

Sol may be many things, but he and Bill go so far back and Adama has cut him so much slack over the years that I can't see him doing an about face.

As Roslin said...we are at a new begining...I believe anything can happen from here on out

As Roslin said...we are at a new begining...I believe anything can happen from here on out

Well, that's true. Given the high quality of writing and risk talking on the part of the writers, I guess I wouldn't put anything past them.

FOR THE LOVE OF THE GODS, STOP PUTTING SPOILERS IN THE OPENING CREDITS!!! I DON'T WANT TO CLOSE MY EYES ANYMORE AS SOON AS THE DRUMBEATS START!!!

:mad: :mad:

I record my Friday night BattleStar with the DVR. I watch it after it records then I warp speed past all that stuff and get to the beginning. Worth waiting an hour and you can skip all the commercials too.

This show is just fantastic. Even "Mrs Dood" looks forward to this. We haven't had a good Sci-Fi/Drama type show to watch together since Babylon 5. I thought nothing would compare to Babylon 5 until this show came out.

So, how is the military going to reincorporate all of these people back? Is Lee going to be CAG again? The CAG they have (don't remember name) is very green compared to Apollo and Starbuck. Does Saul Tigh step back into XO? Lee was a captain of a ship, should he be XO? I'm very curious about how this is all going to mesh back together. Likely to be somewhat strained as well.

Does anyone think that Sal is off the bottle? I think this might have been the first episode where we didn't see him take a drink...I think Adama telling him to "sleep it off" was wrong...I don't think Sal was drunk at all...just very very angry.

I totally agree. Saul's rage towards collaborators and his participation in what turned out (in a total surprise to me) to be a legitimized vigilante group I think served to keep him sober. I agree Adama assumed he was drinking based on every episode before this.

Do you suppose Doc Cottle got off the surface? If so, I wonder if the technology exists to somehow replace his eye?

I thought the reticence on Six's part to choose Baltar (or not) rang somewhat false. These two have been practically of the same mind for so long; how is it possible she has doubts now? I have to rewatch this part and see if she said something that I missed that makes more sense.

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I thought the reticence on Six's part to choose Baltar (or not) rang somewhat false. These two have been practically of the same mind for so long; how is it possible she has doubts now? I have to rewatch this part and see if she said something that I missed that makes more sense...

I was getting a little confused at that as well. They kept jumping back and forth between reality and Baltar's dream/fantasies that I wasn't sure what that dialog was.

I thought the reticence on Six's part to choose Baltar (or not) rang somewhat false. These two have been practically of the same mind for so long; how is it possible she has doubts now? I have to rewatch this part and see if she said something that I missed that makes more sense.

I don't think she was doubtful of Baltar (not personally)...she is now doubtful of the Human Species in general, and that in turn places doubt on Baltar. She was so intent on helping the humans create peace between their two species, that when it back-fired and got totally out of control, she felt as though the human race had failed her and she had betrayed her own race by believing in the humans.

My only question is why the Cylons want to find Earth...why could they possibly care about Earth? Possibly they are turning back to the religion after being so betrayed (as they feel it) by the humans.

Also, what did they say about the Cylon vote? Did they say it was 6 to 6 with the decision to be made by the #6s? I wonder which way they all voted...and I'm also wondering when we might discover another cylon model...how many do we know so far? 7? 8?

...and I'm also wondering when we might discover another cylon model...how many do we know so far? 7? 8?

There are 7 currently known. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cylon_(Battlestar_Galactica))

So, how is the military going to reincorporate all of these people back? Is Lee going to be CAG again? The CAG they have (don't remember name) is very green compared to Apollo and Starbuck. Does Saul Tigh step back into XO? Lee was a captain of a ship, should he be XO? I'm very curious about how this is all going to mesh back together. Likely to be somewhat strained as well.

Great Question, if you read or watch the scifi.com season 3 video blogs, they have mentiond that 1 of the top 10 cast members will be leaving by end of season 3.

as of the start of season 3:

Bill Adama - Admiral - Colonial Fleet Commander / CO Battlestar Galactica
Lee Adama "Apollo" - Commander - CO Battlestar Pegasus
Saul Tigh - Colonel - Head of the New Caprica Resistance
Dr. Cottle - Major - CMO - New Caprica
Aaron Kelly - Captain - Sr. LSO Battlestar Galactica
Karl Agathon "Helo" - Lt. - XO Battlestar Galactica
Anastasia Dualla Adama - Lt. - XO Battlestar Pegasus
Louanne Katraine "KAT" - Lt. - CAG - Battlestar Galactica

Since all of them are still alive, we will have to wait to see what happens.

One thing I did read, is that the SB landing pod is still OOS. So where did the Vipers and Raptors from the Pegasus land?

Wasn't it alluded to that there are different Sixes? Last year, the Cylons kept refering to Baltar's Six as Caprica Six. Maybe it is the other Sixes that are undecided.

As for reintegration, it should be difficult but not to difficult. If they are true professionals, then they will accept their old positions with minimal fuss.

... Starbuck was damaged goods before New Caprica. That child is downright dangerous now.
That's for sure. I think she will be one of the major 'wild cards' for the remainder of the season.

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Wasn't it alluded to that there are different Sixes? Last year, the Cylons kept refering to Baltar's Six as Caprica Six. Maybe it is the other Sixes that are undecided.


I don't think there were individual people voting...I think when they referred to the fact that the "6s" are still undecided, they were talking about every six in the cylon species...also Baltar's Six is Caprica Six...they are, in escense the same being...


As for reintegration, it should be difficult but not to difficult. If they are true professionals, then they will accept their old positions with minimal fuss

But remember, they've been out of service for a YEAR +....they haven't been in a war (well not most of them) for that long...I hope they touch on this as everyone is not going to be battle-ready

[QUOTE=drsimnal]I totally agree. Saul's rage towards collaborators and his participation in what turned out (in a total surprise to me) to be a legitimized vigilante group I think served to keep him sober. /QUOTE]


I was surprised by that too...nice touch. And I could see Zarek's point (although I didn't agree with him on the whole issue)...public witch hunts are damaging to morale and seed doubt and opportunism (falsely accusing others to profit from their death).

Glad to see Gaeta survived the ep...although I was happy to see him ostrasized. He picked the wrong horse in Baltar, and at least now he knows it.

I don't think there were individual people voting...I think when they referred to the fact that the "6s" are still undecided, they were talking about every six in the cylon species...also Baltar's Six is Caprica Six...they are, in escense the same being...

Has it been established if every Six is aware of each others memories?


But remember, they've been out of service for a YEAR +....they haven't been in a war (well not most of them) for that long...I hope they touch on this as everyone is not going to be battle-ready

They will probably touch on it more than it needs to be, but again if they are professional then it will be a minor issue for reintegration.

Has it been established if every Six is aware of each others memories?


I wouldn't think so...but I guess its possible...I don't think they all share the love that Caprica 6 has for Baltar...I don't think Baltar's life would be on the line if this was the case...and he would be a helluva lot happier ;)

Has it been established if every Six is aware of each others memories?
Caprica Sharon sure knew about Galactica Sharon's experiences...

~Dan

She knew about the basics, but I have not seen a single instance of something she knew that would only have been known to Galactica Sharon. She knew about Chief and that he had a relationship with GS, she knew the relationship between GS and Adama, but nothing that couldnot have been obtained by ordinary surveillence reports of the other operatives.

We could find out about this as a later season 3 episode is reported to deal with cylon life and how they interact with there semi alive basestar's and raiders.

I wonder if it is like Star Trek TNG Second Chances (http://stng.36el.com/st-tng/episodes/250.html). In that episode, they find another Riker who is identical to the one on the Enterprise. The only difference is they have led differenet lives for the past eight years and therefore have become somewhat unique. It is speculation, but I wonder if this is how they are going to establish the differences between models.

a little over 2 days to go. Next Episode should be good.

So Say We All.

I totally agree. Saul's rage towards collaborators and his participation in what turned out (in a total surprise to me) to be a legitimized vigilante group I think served to keep him sober. I agree Adama assumed he was drinking based on every episode before this.

Do you suppose Doc Cottle got off the surface? If so, I wonder if the technology exists to somehow replace his eye?

I thought the reticence on Six's part to choose Baltar (or not) rang somewhat false. These two have been practically of the same mind for so long; how is it possible she has doubts now? I have to rewatch this part and see if she said something that I missed that makes more sense.

I think the real issue between Tigh and Adama is going to come down to the fact that while Adama was sitting warm and well fed on Galactica, Tigh was getting beat by the Cylons. I think we saw a hint of this after the reunion when the crowd started chanting Adama and Tigh just walks off.

I imagine something simular happened in France when those risking their lives in the Resistance were suddenly brushed aside by DeGaul.

Possibly, but how could Tigh blame Adama for that? It was Tigh's decision to got to the planet voluntarily, he a nd Adama had worked out a rescue plan (having a Raptor in orbit waiting for contact) in case the Cylons came back, and he stuck to his word the executed the rescue plan almost immediately after the Resistance was able to establish contact.

Of course I'm still thinking Tigh would be making rational judgements at this point and not suddenly being a raving lunatic where the facts become meaningless in the face of ability to blame your own misfortune on someone else.

She knew about the basics, but I have not seen a single instance of something she knew that would only have been known to Galactica Sharon. She knew about Chief and that he had a relationship with GS, she knew the relationship between GS and Adama, but nothing that couldnot have been obtained by ordinary surveillence reports of the other operatives.

When they were on Kobol(?) to place the arrow at the Tomb of Athena(?), Sharon talked about actually remembering and re-experiencing the feelings she had for the Chief.

Few more hours now.

She knew about the basics, but I have not seen a single instance of something she knew that would only have been known to Galactica Sharon. She knew about Chief and that he had a relationship with GS, she knew the relationship between GS and Adama, but nothing that couldnot have been obtained by ordinary surveillence reports of the other operatives.
When Adama first saw (Caprica)Sharon on Kobol, lunged at her- threw her to the ground and started choking her (only stopped due to his chest pains).... under her breath she said "and you asked why?" Which is what Adama asked the corpse of the assonated Sharon in the Galactica morgue.... he was alone in the morgue. Kind of freaky that she knew about that incident, but said she didn't know how the other Sharon died?
It seems like they do have some knowledge from the other "clones".

When they were on Kobol(?) to place the arrow at the Tomb of Athena(?), Sharon talked about actually remembering and re-experiencing the feelings she had for the Chief.


But still without any details ONLY she and the Chief would have known. Just general statements which could just as easily be interpreted as manipulation of emotions to get some Human support and with information that she could have easily obtained indirectly. Sharon has shown an amazing tendency to get into the souls of the Human males getting them to trust an love her against all reason. She obviously has an extreme talent for empathy and reading body language which could be good for the Humans or could be an Extreme part of "The Plan."

If/when the whole Hera thing is outed as to who knew what and when, we'll see where she goes.

If/when the whole Hera thing is outed as to who knew what and when, we'll see where she goes.

I think she's going to totally freak. Who can blame her? They imprisoned her, made her think her baby was dead and gave it to another woman to raise; then they lose track of her on New Caprica.

I don't remember this time line well, but does Baltar know where Earth is? And why is Xena in charge of everyone?

I think she's going to totally freak. Who can blame her? They imprisoned her, made her think her baby was dead and gave it to another woman to raise; then they lose track of her on New Caprica.

I don't remember this time line well, but does Baltar know where Earth is? And why is Xena in charge of everyone?

Nobody knows where Earth is. The humans are looking for it, and the Cylons probably want them to find it so the Cylons can wipe it out too (my guess). And D'anna Biers (or call her "number 3" or even Lucy; just please don't call her Xena :rolleyes: ) is not in charge of the rest of the Cylons. They appear to have a collective decision-making process without a formal hierarchy.

OK Lee Adama is back to the Rank of Maj. & Galactica CAG.

Lt. Sharon Agathon now has the call sign " Athena "

Possibly, but how could Tigh blame Adama for that? It was Tigh's decision to got to the planet voluntarily, he a nd Adama had worked out a rescue plan (having a Raptor in orbit waiting for contact) in case the Cylons came back, and he stuck to his word the executed the rescue plan almost immediately after the Resistance was able to establish contact.Thank you. I kept saying they should have had a rotating guard of pilots when they colonized New Caprica. They were all too quick to inhabit that dreary looking rock. Jon-Luc Picard would've had a real plan :rolleyes:. Anyways, BSG is still the best thing on TV.

Tonights episode was great.

Great job of handling Starbuck and Col. Tigh.

next week looks good also.

pretty happy with how the show went tonight. can't wait for next week

OK Lee Adama is back to the Rank of Maj. & Galactica CAG.



Lee needs to write a diet book. He went from chubbo to svelte in just 1 week. OK, I guess they meant that some time has passed since the rescue from New Caprica, but, wow, that was quick.

And just why, I wonder, do "we not speak about the other 5"?

The hybrid in the tank who is controlling the basestar looked like one of those people from that Tom Cruise movie...Minority Report. I take it she/it isn't considered one of the 5 models?

Lee needs to write a diet book. He went from chubbo to svelte in just 1 week. OK, I guess they meant that some time has passed since the rescue from New Caprica, but, wow, that was quick.

Man, did he look good. All you guys get to see Tricia Helfer in various states of undress. Jaime was looking hot for all us girls!

I loved the music that added to the atmosphere on the base ship(s). Man, this show is just so good. Anyway, I thought the ending where Six zooms in on one of Baltar's pics that shows the "artifact" was awesome. The look on her face as he stood there and lied to them yet again to save his skin was unbelievable. Their relationship (Gaius and all the sixes) has got to be one of the most complex ever attempted in television history. Just try to explain it to someone who's never watched the show before.

I thought for sure that Tigh was going to eat a gun barrel there at the end as he seemed to be drinking to get up the courage to do something. Guess he's trying to drown out Ellen's voice. I'm not sure what is left for him to do if he's going to refuse to get back into Adama's grace.

And his comment about a cylon lover having his job showed that not all the jobs were just handed over to their previous holders. Although it seems that Lee is CAG again. Do you think that Roslin's amnesty means that Gaeta is back in the military? Clearly he is working for Roslin and Adama, but is he enlisted again?

Love this show. So say we all.

And D'anna Biers (or call her "number 3" or even Lucy; just please don't call her Xena :rolleyes: )

Sorry. Just had forgotten her human and cylon names. Didn't really like Xena, but for better or worse it's what Lucy Lawless is stuck with. Although, not as bad for her as Mark Hamil had it. She has been in a few things, plus of course this extended guest role.

Oh, I almost forgot one more thing. I noticed a change in the opening credits during this season, and I haven't seen anyone comment on it yet (though I may have missed it). The beginning of the season (when on New Caprica) and all the eps until last week had the phrase (roughly):

The human race
Far from home
Trying to Survive

Nothing about how many survivors there were, like they did last season. But, last week, it went back to the familar:

XX,XXX Survivors
Searching for
A place called Earth

Last week, the number was like 41, 435; this week it was 41, 422. I like how they stopped using the numbers when they were "settled" but now that they are refugees again, they have meaning once again.

Wow, I've got lots of points about tonight's episode:

-Starbuck's haircut...Boooooo. I dunno how, but the actress playing Starbuck may be the one person I've seen the biggest variation of attractiveness of anyone just based on hair alone. With long hair she looks very, very good. With short hair she looks ugly and, for some reason, annoying. I dunno what it is, maybe I'm just weird but the haircut sucks ;).

-The cylons are stoooooooooooopid. The whole time they were debating whether or not to leave the infected base star I was just ready to yell at the TV "don't leave it, blow it up you morons or else the humans are gonna find this thing (they're going to the same place afterall) and figure out how to kill you all!" Retards.

-My girlfriend brought this point up. Six said they wanted to make Earth their new home. If the cylons can project and see their surroundings however they want, why do they care where they live?

-Looks like everyone's back to their old jobs now. Chief is chief, Apollo is CAG, etc. Even Starbuck looks back to normal with the uniform and the haircut. Looks like a pretty big reset outside of Tigh and Baltar.

-Could six not be "able to talk about" the other 5 cylon models because she doesn't know about them? Who programmed the human looking cylons anyway? My girlfriend brought up the point that what if Baltar IS a cylon, and they had to play him early in the series because they didn't know he was one. We've seen different degrees of programming and how aware the cylon is of their true nature between the different models. Maybe Baltar's"programming" is much less on the surface than the others as he continually sells out the humans indirectly, without ever having a "go cylons" opinion on things. Food for thought.

guess I was way off about Ty not drink....:-/

like way off

So... that's what happened to Mars Observer! :rolleyes:

Honestly, I hope that's not where the writers are going with this, but I have a hunch, that cannister's going to turn out to be V'GER's cousin. Maybe P'NER? Or H'BBLE?

Anyway, good ep. I bet a lot of DVRs around the country (mine included) gave pause to basestar Sharon's appearance. What was she doing, anyway? Naked Cylon tai-chi? :p

As for Kara's haircut, I'm glad she did it. Shows she's recognized her failings and is turning the corner, ready to wear the uniform again. Now if she could just do the same for Gaeta... That dude's way out of regs!

Lee needs to write a diet book. He went from chubbo to svelte in just 1 week. OK, I guess they meant that some time has passed since the rescue from New Caprica, but, wow, that was quick.Agreed. Although it's nice to be rid of fat-Lee, it would have been more realistic to have drawn out his weight loss over a few more episodes.

And as for Tigh's eye, I'm hoping he gets a patch, rather than a prosthetic eye. It would add more street cred to his salty sailor act. ;)

Prior to last nights episode I was watch Law & Order SVU on UHD and they had a commercial advertising BSG (Season 2) on UHD beginning this Sunday at 8pm EST....

I need Apollo's get back in shape plan....mine ain't working.... :eek:

Prior to last nights episode I was watch Law & Order SVU on UHD and they had a commercial advertising BSG on UHD beginning this Sunday at 6pm EST....


This weeks episode is Pegasus.

Man, did he look good. All you guys get to see Tricia Helfer in various states of undress. Jaime was looking hot for all us girls!

I hope you didn't compare your husband/boyfriends body to Lees.:)

Sorry. Just had forgotten her human and cylon names. Didn't really like Xena, but for better or worse it's what Lucy Lawless is stuck with. Although, not as bad for her as Mark Hamil had it. She has been in a few things, plus of course this extended guest role.

I don't think it is that big of a deal considering without Xena she would be another no-name actress.

Wow, I've got lots of points about tonight's episode:

-Starbuck's haircut...Boooooo. I dunno how, but the actress playing Starbuck may be the one person I've seen the biggest variation of attractiveness of anyone just based on hair alone. With long hair she looks very, very good. With short hair she looks ugly and, for some reason, annoying. I dunno what it is, maybe I'm just weird but the haircut sucks ;).

-The cylons are stoooooooooooopid. The whole time they were debating whether or not to leave the infected base star I was just ready to yell at the TV "don't leave it, blow it up you morons or else the humans are gonna find this thing (they're going to the same place afterall) and figure out how to kill you all!" Retards.

-My girlfriend brought this point up. Six said they wanted to make Earth their new home. If the cylons can project and see their surroundings however they want, why do they care where they live?

-Looks like everyone's back to their old jobs now. Chief is chief, Apollo is CAG, etc. Even Starbuck looks back to normal with the uniform and the haircut. Looks like a pretty big reset outside of Tigh and Baltar.

-Could six not be "able to talk about" the other 5 cylon models because she doesn't know about them? Who programmed the human looking cylons anyway? My girlfriend brought up the point that what if Baltar IS a cylon, and they had to play him early in the series because they didn't know he was one. We've seen different degrees of programming and how aware the cylon is of their true nature between the different models. Maybe Baltar's"programming" is much less on the surface than the others as he continually sells out the humans indirectly, without ever having a "go cylons" opinion on things. Food for thought.

- Haircut, I definitely agree with. I like her better with long hair, but the short hair is more symbolic.

- It probably would have been good to destroy the base star, but they may have had moral issues or maybe a fear of the unknown on what would happen with the destruction. I could live with this.

- Earth was a big question for me. Why is Earth now so important? They have both the old colonies and New Caprica to settle. This seems stupid. I hope they have a really good reason behind this.

- I doubt Baltar is a Cylon. They may be setting it up to create doubt in the viewers mind, but I think I would be disappointed if he is. Plus, if he is and they sent him to the base ship then they could not let him back aboard.

As for Kara's haircut, I'm glad she did it. Shows she's recognized her failings and is turning the corner, ready to wear the uniform again. Now if she could just do the same for Gaeta... That dude's way out of regs!

I didn't know there were regs for hair.

And as for Tigh's eye, I'm hoping he gets a patch, rather than a prosthetic eye. It would add more street cred to his salty sailor act. ;)
Personally, I hope Tigh walks out of an airlock.

I'm tired of him and his "poor me" attitude. Lots of people have suffered during wars, get over it.

~Dan

OK Lee Adama is back to the Rank of Maj. & Galactica CAG.
Did anyone actually call him "Major," or was that just an old paint job on the Viper?

~Dan

Honestly, I hope that's not where the writers are going with this, but I have a hunch, that cannister's going to turn out to be V'GER's cousin. Maybe P'NER? Or H'BBLE?
I think it was a marker bouy left by the 13th tribe (bread crumbs back to Kobol...), not anything NASA has launched...

~Dan

- Earth was a big question for me. Why is Earth now so important? They have both the old colonies and New Caprica to settle. This seems stupid. I hope they have a really good reason behind this.
Because:

1. That's were the fleet is heading; and

2. It's a chance to kill more humans.

~Dan

The big question for me is what is next.

In the old series, the fleet also found Kobol, ran into the Pegasus and had the route to Earth. However, the formula of "the fleet is running and the Cylons are chasing" could only go so far in terms of sustaining interest. It was when they started having the encounters with other planets/peoples along the way that things got a little silly (Nazis in Space was probably the worst of the lot).

What we don't have is a grounding in the timeframe. If the fleet reaches Earth before series end, what era would that be? In Galactica 1980 (the Series About Which We Do Not Speak), it was the 20th century before Earth was a true space faring race. Would the series then become Earth versus the Cylons?

While I'm not going to really worry about it because so far this version has had topflight writing and presentation, it may be a challenge to keep up the pace.

True, we still need to know about the other 5 Cylon models, who their "God" is, how did they evolve from toasters to biological entities, why is Hera so important, what is the Cylon homeworld like, what's their fascination with moving red lights, when will Lee and Starbuck get together, will Tigh off himself, is Lee's wife a Cylon deep cover operative, is Sharon going to go rogue when she finds out Hera is still alive, is there an Imperious Leader or the equivalent....hmmm....come to think of it, maybe there are still a few stories that can be told.

Did anyone actually call him "Major," or was that just an old paint job on the Viper?Speaking of paint jobs, did anyone else notice that in one scene, they mirror imaged Kat's viper (in post-production), so that it would appear she's flying from the left of the screen toward the right? They tried to blur out the stenciling on her Viper to conceal this, but you can still partially read her name, Louanne Katraine, and "KAT"... only it's backwards. This is the scene where she says, "Blue team, Kat, let's show these lazy fraks how it's done."

Wow, guys and their obsession with long hair.... I thought she looked ridiculous with those poorly done extensions. They were so obvious and sooo fake. I was happy to see the hair go. And she's certainly not "ugly" with short hair. Sheesh.

Last night's ep was high on the weirdness factor, but I did enjoy it. Some of the interaction between Baltar and Caprica Six was hilarious, I thought. When he asked if he is a Cylon, the look she gave him was priceless. Like, "you, you pathetic little snivelling weakling? A Cylon? Ha!" Of course, it's obvious she still loves him. I totally agree that their relationship is very complex and very odd.

I think it was a marker bouy left by the 13th tribe (bread crumbs back to Kobol...), not anything NASA has launched...

~Dan

Could it be NOMAD???

V---ger. :D

And just why, I wonder, do "we not speak about the other 5"?

The hybrid in the tank who is controlling the basestar looked like one of those people from that Tom Cruise movie...Minority Report. I take it she/it isn't considered one of the 5 models?

They are the bad uncles/aunts noone talks about. They drink/smoke too much and fornicate with many partners. :-)

Dunno actually....maybe they run the Cylon Home World while the rest handle the Cylon offworld business? nothing that simple I suppose.

So... that's what happened to Mars Observer! :rolleyes:

Honestly, I hope that's not where the writers are going with this, but I have a hunch, that cannister's going to turn out to be V'GER's cousin. Maybe P'NER? Or H'BBLE?




Only 1 item we've launched has actually left the solar system. And it just did this recently.

Did anyone actually call him "Major," or was that just an old paint job on the Viper?

~Dan

Military folks are pretty picky about ranks and callsigns. They would likely have painted over his old rank and callsign completely when he took over the Pegasus. This would likely be a different viper with his correct rank/callsign.