Seems there was a thread on this a little while ago but a search didn't turn it up. Anybody know if this will be 1080i and/or DD5.1?

Have you checked the obvious?:

http://www.nbc.com/nbc/header/TV_Schedule/index.html

8:00 PM NBC MOVIE: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA BATTLESTAR GALACTICA All New HDTV

archiguy and dm145.......

First I also looked after getting a copy of the crips-o-gram, that stated NBC = NO HDTV TONIGHT! So I looked here first as you might expect and I likewise could not see the thread on the first few pages of programing. It frankly did not occur to me to look at the NBC site, I just assumed they would disappoint as they usually do! I'll try to record it (HD OTA) just in case, and did set the SD TiVo to record none the less. In the mean time my fingers are crossed. ;-O Good luck to any interested in this program. BTW; it starts (new shows) on SciFi Friday the 14th, SD sorry to say. Maybe it will show up on Uni-HD later?

will the new series of Battlestar Galactica be shown in HD anywhere? i'm not talking about the miniseries, just the new series. i know it's on scifi, so i would imagine i'm out of luck. just wondering if there are plans to re-air the shows on UHD or something.

Well, UHD shows the Galactica in all its glory in there advertisements constantly so one would hope they will pick it up sometime after airing on Sci-fi. I've emailed UHD a couple of times with no response. My fingers are crossed.....

The showing tonight (Saturday) of the mini-series on NBC at 8 p.m. may be in HD.

Mike G.

HD on directv & dd 5.1

Sure does not look like HD from WVIT-DT in Connecticut!

The one on NBC right now is not in HDTV here (affiliate normally forwards HDTV), but I did see the "avalible in HDTV where avalible " picture when it started, and it is in cropped widescreen....

No HD from WVIT-DT in CT. And only 10 minutes to the first commercial - not a good sign!

I had to call my local station to get them to flip the switch to HD. Not a real sharp HD though - a fairly soft film transfer from what I've seen so far.

Originally posted by archiguy
Seems there was a thread on this a little while ago but a search didn't turn it up. Anybody know if this will be 1080i and/or DD5.1?

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=493076

HD 2.0 in Detroit.

I checked it at the beginning and it wasn't HD, only letterboxed SD. But I rechecked a half-hour later and it was in HD then!

HD 2.0 in Phoenix. Looked a little soft, but was enjoyable. Wish the Sci Fi channel was in HD!

It was excellent HD in Eugene, Oregon.

What a bleak movie! The special effects were great, as was attention to technical details, but there sure were not allot of laughs. Just one to be exact. Very dark movie! I can see why I never heard about that movie until this week.

IB

First, for those that saw it originally, did they cut enough off for it to be worth watching all the way through (its on my Tivo), 2nd if it was DD5.1, maybe it was because your local OTA has the 5.1 stuck in the "on" position.

2.0 in St. Louis. HD kicked in at the end of the credits.

Originally posted by turls
First, for those that saw it originally, did they cut enough off for it to be worth watching all the way through (its on my Tivo), 2nd if it was DD5.1, maybe it was because your local OTA has the 5.1 stuck in the "on" position.

2.0 in St. Louis. HD kicked in at the end of the credits.

Just got done watching Galactica on my Comcast 6412............Love this Box
NFL Play-off's and BG both recorded in HD at the same time....... I'm in nirvana.

Since I enjoyed the original 4 hour version it's hard for me to say if the shorter 3 hour version is "worth watching" for you. All I can say is that one can follow the premise of BG even if you was a new viewer that never heard of BG

Yeah, it *was* in 5.1 in Atlanta. It started out as 2.0 flaged as 5.1, and then went to actual 5.1

Seemed to be HD in NYC via NBC's fiber feed to Time Warner Cable. But only watched the start, then DVRed the rest to monitor live golf from Hawaii. Also might have been, unless an NBC insider chimes in, one of those fairly good-quality 1080i wide-screen upconverts, sometimes seen on PBS, that really requires studying fine on-screen details to pin down whether it's an upconvert or not. -- John

I watched it mainly on Citytv Toronto, but I checked in during commercial breaks on NBC Boston and it was HD the whole time.

Citytv will also be broadcasting the series after it airs on Space (Canada's science-fiction channel) and will presumably have it available in HD.

I never watched the whole mini-series all the way through because it was a little long and drawn out. However, I enjoyed the 3 hour version. It cut out a lot of the filler and stuff that made the mini-series a little slow in my opinion. The mini-series was also a little over the top with the sex in your face stuff - I thought it was toned down well in the 3 hour version.

Wonder........ "if"

SciFi show was a little over 4 hours, and you all know how much time they spend on commercials breaks.

NBC show was three hours and in HD here , I watched a lot of it, and copied it to D-VHS for a later view, seems NBC did not have near the same amount of time in commercials that they had on SciFi.

Do any of the "insiders" here know how much was cut for the NBC version, if any (not deleted stuff)? Actually, I really don't expect anyone who knows to fess up. I would not, as they were pushing the DVD sell through big time!

Bottom line IMHO is some of us got to see it in HD, if not DD5.1, so NBC came through for me, for a change. Win - Win! ;-)

Originally posted by turls
First, for those that saw it originally, did they cut enough off for it to be worth watching all the way through (its on my Tivo), 2nd if it was DD5.1, maybe it was because your local OTA has the 5.1 stuck in the "on" position.

2.0 in St. Louis. HD kicked in at the end of the credits.

Nothing vital was left out. Some personal tidbits...for example at the end when they were fighting their way out, and only Starbuck and Apollo were still out fighting, the original had Adama call Starbuck on the radio and order her to get back in. The implication was that she would have kept on fighting regardless.

Still not sold on the Starbuck as a female premise, but the actress did a credible job.

"Still not sold on the Starbuck as a female premise, but the actress did a credible job."

Your age is showing........ ROFLOL. BTW; me too on the Starbuck opinion!

It was neat to see a version in HD. Have a great day.

It finished last in the overnight ratings.

Originally posted by Ken H
It finished last in the overnight ratings.

It has a snowball's chance in you-know-where...it was up against playoff NFL football in primetime.

"It has a snowball's chance in you-know-where...it was up against playoff NFL football in primetime."

Your exactly RIGHT! Sorry to say most here, think the sun revolves around the ball sports, if so, where the HE** is ROLLERBALL-HD?

None the less, football be damned! I enjoyed the SciFi on NBC, for a change. Ken H; is this the type of post you were looking to get? ;-O I do wonder WHY you "mod's" stir the pot so much?

No wonder most here try to "lie, cheat, and steal" to get networks via D*! Can you say SUPER BOWL! DUH! I'm sure this gets you off................ YMMV

Originally posted by mikey p
"It has a snowball's chance in you-know-where...it was up against playoff NFL football in primetime."

Your exactly RIGHT! Sorry to say most here, think the sun revolves around the ball sports, if so, where the HE** is ROLLERBALL-HD?

None the less, football be damned! I enjoyed the SciFi on NBC, for a change. Ken H; is this the type of post you were looking to get? ;-O I do wonder WHY you "mod's" stir the pot so much?

No wonder most here try to "lie, cheat, and steal" to get networks via D*! Can you say SUPER BOWL! DUH! I'm sure this gets you off................ YMMV Take a pill.

I'm so glad I bought another HD tuner card so I could record them both.

I was impressed and even shocked by how serious and well done Battlestar Galactica was. I don't know why $95 million sci-fi movies can't be made as well as a cable TV series/special.

Originally posted by mikey p
None the less, football be damned!I'm not sure about now, but making a statement like this used to be a felony in Texas. ;)

And the rest of that post defies comprehension, too. :confused:

Originally posted by scowl
I'm so glad I bought another HD tuner card so I could record them both.

I was impressed and even shocked by how serious and well done Battlestar Galactica was. I don't know why $95 million sci-fi movies can't be made as well as a cable TV series/special. Just goes to show you, talent and desire can out-do sheer money every time.

Originally posted by mikey p
"It has a snowball's chance in you-know-where...it was up against playoff NFL football in primetime."

Your exactly RIGHT! Sorry to say most here, think the sun revolves around the ball sports, if so, where the HE** is ROLLERBALL-HD?

None the less, football be damned! I enjoyed the SciFi on NBC, for a change. Ken H; is this the type of post you were looking to get? ;-O I do wonder WHY you "mod's" stir the pot so much?

No wonder most here try to "lie, cheat, and steal" to get networks via D*! Can you say SUPER BOWL! DUH! I'm sure this gets you off................ YMMV

Well I certianly wasn't trying to cause controversy with my response...Heck *I* watched football live and recorded Battlestar. :-)

It did beat The Will on CBS though.

"I'm not sure about now, but making a statement like this used to be a felony in Texas."

Right you are (and still is), I am poking fun at the ball sports freaks on AVS and the mods too!

BTW: My towns HS football team did a four (4) years in a row 3AAA state champs in the 90's! Kind of neat, all things considered!

In the mean time, I do enjoy my SicFi! Even X-Files! er... AVS files. ;-0

Ugh! I was very surprised how much I hated this mess, as I was a fan of the campy, overacted, short-lived original series. It certainly couldn't be called "great", but it had pace and energy that this fiasco lacked. I found myself rooting for the Cylons--they can't help but be a more interesting race than this version of the Twelve Tribes of Kobol.

I found the revisionist casting to be idiotic. The female Starbuck was just terrible. The "Boomer" character was okay, but why bother to call her "Boomer"? Whatever. Balzar isn't nearly greasy enough :D.

I couldn't finish the last hour; I just didn't care how it ended. Being a diehard science fiction fan, I'll probably check out the premiere to see whether they've improved it any, but I don't hold out any high hopes.

But hey--it landed on SciFi. Any SF series, no matter how poor, has a chance on SciFi ;).

"But hey--it landed on SciFi. Any SF series, no matter how poor, has a chance on SciFi ."

Right you are, Bonnie Hammer not withstanding, they have done well by the Star Gate(s) OTOH: They need to get rid of BH, ASAP! She is killing that Channel faster than you can watch. Maybe she should have worked for Enron?

YMMV????????

Originally posted by mikey p
"But hey--it landed on SciFi. Any SF series, no matter how poor, has a chance on SciFi ."

Right you are, Bonnie Hammer not withstanding, they have done well by the Star Gate(s) OTOH: They need to get rid of BH, ASAP! She is killing that Channel faster than you can watch. Maybe she should have worked for Enron?

YMMV????????

Sci-fi has a spotty history...they dropped Farscape for a series that tanked.

Yeah, but how long did Farscape run? IMDB claims that it ran into a fourth season--it got its chance. (And there was a recent mini-series as a treat for the fans). Also, what was that strange thing that defies categorization? Lexx? Apparently, they ran 2 or 3 seasons of that. Neither series would have lasted five weeks on a major network.

(I just checked. There are four Farscape season-sets, comprising 36 discs available at Amazon for a great deal of cash ;). There are even sets of all 3 seasons of Lexx).

Originally posted by michaeltscott
I found the revisionist casting to be idiotic. The female Starbuck was just terrible. The "Boomer" character was okay, but why bother to call her "Boomer"? Whatever. Balzar isn't nearly greasy enough :D.


Funny - in the new series episodes, the female Cylon asked Baltar to ask her how she got the nickname "Boomer" - did you see the ending that revealed her true identity?

Originally posted by michaeltscott
I couldn't finish the last hour; I just didn't care how it ended. Being a diehard science fiction fan, I'll probably check out the premiere to see whether they've improved it any, but I don't hold out any high hopes.
Let me guess: you liked Starship Troopers? ;)

I watched the original as a kid and this revisionist version has wiped away all those bad memories of Lorne Greene and various 70's haircuts yelling cheap dialog at each other (is that energy you're talking about?) in between special effect shots which they shamelessly reused in every episode.

I thought the moral dilemmas were well handled (note how dialog is sometimes more interesting when whispered instead of yelled), the physics to be better than most sci-fi movies, the sets were incredibly detailed, and the acting and dialog was far better than in any sci-fi I've seen on TV for years. I really thought it was going to be cheesier than the original.

Agreed. I think they do a great job with it, and I've seen a lot of the episodes that have aired on SKY in Britain. It's consistently well done, and ep 10 is a blast. I wish I had Universal HD here on Comcast, I'd like to watch the episodes again in HD, as I did the HD premiere last nite. The original took a good idea and surrounded it with 80's camp...this one takes a good idea, adds a few more good idea, and surrounds it with good acting and good effects. It walks all over the original, IMHO.

Originally posted by scowl
Let me guess: you liked Starship Troopers? ;)

I watched the original as a kid and this revisionist version has wiped away all those bad memories of Lorne Greene and various 70's haircuts yelling cheap dialog at each other (is that energy you're talking about?) in between special effect shots which they shamelessly reused in every episode.



I enjoyed the old BG as a kid. But watching it oh so many years later I can not believe how campy it was. I can't believe people prefer the old version to this. As one of the many who have been watching the new BG via the Internet from the UK, I feel many are in for a big surprise on how good this turned out ;)

As for as Boomer and Starbuck being female................................Get over it already :p

As I stated before, the original series was campy and overacted, but fast paced, upbeat and kind of charming. As for the old series' "shamelessly reusing" special effects, it was made 26 years ago, when the special effects of today weren't even possible, and the ones that they had were expensive. Bad 70s haircuts were kind of endemic in the 70s. I'm not sure that I would like it today, but I found it amusing at the age of 20 (I recently rewatched Star Wars on DVD and found that 27 years hasn't been kind to it, either).

This new version was slow, grave and completely unappealing (to me). In the two hours that I watched I didn't find a single character to root for or give a damn about--it was easier to side with the Cylons. (By far the most interesting character was Number Six). I just wanted the Cylons to find them and finish them off. They created the Cylons, they were stupid enough to try to make peace with them--they deserved what they got. Of course, this was true in the original story as well, but the Cylons were much less cool ;).

Now, if I thought that there was a chance that the producers would let the Cylons win over this bunch of losers in the end, that's a series that I might watch :D.

I guess that my main problem with it is this: why take an old concept and rehash it, trading on its fame to pass off something almost unrelated? The original BG was a half-comical space-opera, ala Lost in Space. It was a poor man's Star Wars on TV. They're taking the same situation and turning it into some sort of dead-serious drama. The setting and character set doesn't seem designed for it and if that's the sort of thing that you want to make, why not build it around a fresh new idea? Personally, I don't think it's gonna fly in the long term, and as I asserted before, it wouldn't garner sufficient ratings to survive more than a month on a major network, but much worst things have gone on for seasons on SciFi, so if it has what it takes to attract a following, it will likely get its chance.

As for Starbuck and Boomer being female.........................I was never under it--doesn't make it any less goofy.

Obviously, these are only my personal opinions. I'm happy for those of you who are enjoying it. As I said, since SciFi picked it up, you'll probably get at least a few seasons of it.

And no, I didn't particularly care for Starship Troopers, though it was relatively true to the novel, which was a favorite of mine as a teen. Its main problem is that Casper Van Dien is a hard-of-acting pretty-boy, and no one seemed to be directing the dialog, anyway ;). Its special effects were pretty.

To me, the "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica (other than the character's names) is closer to the Wing Commander PC video game universe than the original BG. The cylon "Number 6" gets quite a lot of good scenes in the new series episodes if you like her though!

Now, if I thought that there was a chance that the producers would let the Cylons win over this bunch of losers in the end, that's a series that I might watch

That's actually one of the things I like about the show - humanity *is* losing. No matter how "victorious" they could be in the end, at the end of the miniseries they are down to what, 60,000 people? Plus whomever is on the mythical Earth? I never got the impression from the original that they were bigtime losers like I do with this. These are desparate vastly outnumbered people with limited resources, limited ammo, and really freakin' old fighter ships without many trained (let alone skilled) pilots, just trying to survive.

Watched my DVRed recording Sunday and quickly concluded it was 'true' 1080i and not an upconvert as I speculated above. Almost didn't watch or record the show because my NY Times weekly guide failed to mark it "HD."

Seemed a cut above typical SF series, such as the comical "Stargate" episodes contrasted with the excellent original movie feature. -- John

Originally posted by Joxer
To me, the "re-imagined" Battlestar Galactica (other than the character's names) is closer to the Wing Commander PC video game universe than the original BG. The cylon "Number 6" gets quite a lot of good scenes in the new series episodes if you like her though!

You are right, as a huge Wing Commander fan in my gamer days it did have the WC universe feeling. Much more so then the POS Wing Commander movie

The HD broadcast was ok. Space scenes were too dark. Too bad the series will be shown on Sci-Fi channel as that is SD......

Originally posted by telemike
Too bad the series will be shown on Sci-Fi channel as that is SD......

Indeed

Originally posted by michaeltscott
As I stated before, the original series was campy and overacted, but fast paced, upbeat and kind of charming. As for the old series' "shamelessly reusing" special effects, it was made 26 years ago, when the special effects of today weren't even possible, and the ones that they had were expensive. Bad 70s haircuts were kind of endemic in the 70s.
This is all true, but the original series didn't really have that much charm to me. Back then I thought it was just another sci-fi series that just "didn't get" sci-fi.
This new version was slow, grave and completely unappealing (to me).
It was definitely slow and grave. No argument there!
In the two hours that I watched I didn't find a single character to root for or give a damn about--it was easier to side with the Cylons. (By far the most interesting character was Number Six). I just wanted the Cylons to find them and finish them off. They created the Cylons, they were stupid enough to try to make peace with them--they deserved what they got. Of course, this was true in the original story as well, but the Cylons were much less cool ;).
So you wanted humanity to be wiped out because you couldn't find a character to root for? And they deserved to be exterminated because trying to make peace with cool Cylons was stupid?
I guess that my main problem with it is this: why take an old concept and rehash it, trading on its fame to pass off something almost unrelated? The original BG was a half-comical space-opera, ala Lost in Space. It was a poor man's Star Wars on TV.
That's exactly why it was a great idea to revive this old concept. The network turned a great idea into a space soap opera. It's still a great concept for a cable sci-fi TV series now that cable channels can program for niche markets instead of appealing to the masses like the original desperately tried to do. And it's fame is very marginal.
They're taking the same situation and turning it into some sort of dead-serious drama. The setting and character set doesn't seem designed for it and if that's the sort of thing that you want to make, why not build it around a fresh new idea?
Consider the situation and the setting. In the beginning of both the old and new series, millions of people had been killed and thousands of people were fleeing for their lives on a dangerous journey. Now their leaders have to make grave decisions about what to do to prevent their entire race from being wiped out.

If this isn't "dead-serious drama" in a science fiction context then I don't know what is.
As for Starbuck and Boomer being female.........................I was never under it--doesn't make it any less goofy.
None of the original characters except Commander Adama and Count Baldar were worth bringing back. Neither series gave much time for character development other than making it clear that both Boomers shot their mouths off.

I had very very low expectations for this mini-series. I figured they'd dumb it down just like the original. Within the first ten minutes I was surprised to see they had really put some thought into what the original concept was about. They realized they'd have to lose the charm and zap pow excitement of the original if they really wanted to take the subject matter seriously.

I HATED the mini-series. Thought it was horrible. Poorly done. Unappealing. Characters I couldn't root for. Premises I couldn't believe, like the way the military operates on the show. A drunk for a CO? Constant bickering and in-fighting? Needless to say, I thought Moore was a dolt, and thought SCI-FI should have been firing people.

That being said. The series itself.... much much better than the crap mini-series. The direction takes some time to adjust to. And some points are slower than they need to be. But the character progression is MUCH better in the series, and much more believable. This past episode, very good IMO.

I do though think that the show REALLY needs to push ahead a little faster in terms of some characters and sub-plots, but otherwise I can see it lasting on Sci-Fi for a few seasons at least.

Originally posted by Mntneer
I HATED the mini-series. Thought it was horrible. Poorly done. Unappealing. Characters I couldn't root for. Premises I couldn't believe, like the way the military operates on the show. A drunk for a CO? Constant bickering and in-fighting? Needless to say, I thought Moore was a dolt, and thought SCI-FI should have been firing people.

That being said. The series itself.... much much better than the crap mini-series. The direction takes some time to adjust to. And some points are slower than they need to be. But the character progression is MUCH better in the series, and much more believable. This past episode, very good IMO.

I do though think that the show REALLY needs to push ahead a little faster in terms of some characters and sub-plots, but otherwise I can see it lasting on Sci-Fi for a few seasons at least.

I don't think there was any way to satisfy both the die-hard fans of the original as well as the new fans looking for a fresh take.

As far as the drunk XO (not CO)...Galactica was about to be decommissioned. It was the oldest, least capable ship in the fleet. Noone was going to cashier out a war hero like the XO. They were just going to let him finish out his career on a backwater ship, not the regular fleet. Now he has to find that war hero within himself again...I think it makes for a good backstory.

I enjoyed the mini-series and I'm enjoying the current series episodes as well. STILL not completely sold on Starbuck as a female:couldn't they at least have picked an ATTRACTIVE female for the role? :-)

SciFi is running four of the first episodes of the original series this morning and I just watched some of it. It was so obviously trying to rip off Star Wars, it's not funny, from the title sequence onward. (The acting isn't as bad as I thought it would be, but I haven't seen any Adama yet. I'd completely forgotten that Jane Seymour was in it, though I'd remembered the character she played. The FX are pretty damn cheesy compared to today's standard, but it was 26 years ago ;)). It and Star Wars were never science-fiction proper, IMHO, but rather science-fantasy (I loved the Star Wars films). Neither the original BG or Star Wars ever took themselves completely seriously and both started injecting humor, heroic derring-do and arch villainry into the mix from the beginning--everything's drawn in broad strokes in bold primary colors. In the new series, everyone seems mildly depressed before the Cylons attack.

(Hey! I gotta an idea! Let's take Star Wars and "re-imagine" it as it might have been written by Camus or Nietzsche, recasting the Han Solo and Chewbaca characters as females. Wouldn't that be a hoot? ;))

I find that the gravity of the new series forces me to take a close look at how ridiculous the set-up is. "Humanity" creates artificially intelligent robots who rebel (plausible), after which a long war ensues (plausible), after which they come to an impasse and negotiate a peace treaty (starting to get shaky), after which they lose all contact with them for years and no one seems to care??? (BZZZZZ! You lose, but thank for playing Credibility!) I can buy that they might have negotiated a peace treaty with these machines so that they could lick their wounds and prepare to finally annihilate them. (Would you feel obligated to observe a treaty negotiated with ambulatory computers? After surprisingly being attacked by them, you're going to believe that you now understand them well enough to be able to trust that they'll keep their "word"? If we build machines that go whack and started killing people, it seems manifest that we should keep trying until we destroy all of them). Even if they were willing to trust them to some degree (stupid), that they wouldn't keep as close track as possible of their every movement is not something that I can believe would happen in this deadly serious tableau. These things are capable of reproducing themselves far more efficiently than we are--all they have to do is find the necessary mineral resources to create an army of insurmountable numbers in a very small amount of time. That alone was a threat; in the new series, they acheive a nearly effortless coup by developing a method to disable humanity's defenses. You can wink at this sort of thing in the fairy-tale that the original series was, but not so easily in this.

(BTW, scowl, I don't think the Cylons were at all cool until they developed the human forms, and that was apparently many long "yarns" after the peace negotiations).

I'm sorry if I offended anyone (which I obviously did--you'd think that the writers and producers of this nonsense were posting here)--I was merely expressing my opinion as so many others have gushed in this thread as to how much they enjoyed it. I don't disrespect you for enjoying it but we can't all like everything or see everything the same way. You don't see me picking anyone else's posts apart, point-by-point. In the end, I don't care enough about this to argue any further about it.

Hey--I actually intend to watch a couple of episodes of the series, to see if it's better than the mini-series as some people here claim.

Originally posted by Iteki


As far as the drunk XO (not CO)...Galactica was about to be decommissioned. It was the oldest, least capable ship in the fleet. Noone was going to cashier out a war hero like the XO. They were just going to let him finish out his career on a backwater ship, not the regular fleet. Now he has to find that war hero within himself again...I think it makes for a good backstory.



I was going to say the exact same thing (old career officer with a drinking problem finishing his duty on a ship about to become a museum).

If you read the interviews with the writers/director/etc at SciFi.com you will find they intended the show to be just as it is. There are no real heroes to root for because they wanted humans to be portrayed as they are "in real life." "Everyone has some kind of flaw." When I first heard about the mini-series 1 1/2 years ago, I read quite a bit about it - first out of excitement that they would redo it (new special effects and such), but then to find out WHY they changed it so much. I wasn't happy about that (I was 10 when the first series aired, so I didn't know better :). But, I actually like this version much better. And I really like how they made the ships, especially the fighters, more "realistic" by using small jets to control pitch/direction, etc (very much like a real spacecraft like the shuttle).

michaelscott, you should have gone down to the San Diego Comic Con the last couple years when the new BG producers/writers/stars were there and were confronted by many classic BG fans! At least the female stars were hot there to look at.

Originally posted by jones07
You are right, as a huge Wing Commander fan in my gamer days it did have the WC universe feeling. Much more so then the POS Wing Commander movie

Yes - I kept hoping Mark Hamill or Biff/Maniac would show up! I still play WC 4 and 5 occasionally with upgraded higher resolution patches, they were revolutionary. Don't even mention that theatrical movie - human Kilrathi?

Forgive continuing this off-topic topic, but I was a big Wing Commander player as well, and finally gave up playing years ago, but would have loved to have been able to see all the video clips that were on the disks. Anyone know how to do that without actually going through the missions?

Originally posted by Iteki
STILL not completely sold on Starbuck as a female:couldn't they at least have picked an ATTRACTIVE female for the role? :-) I wouldn't call the actor unattractive per se--she just plays the part (in the mini-series, at least) as though she's in the grips of constant "'roid rage". She needs to commit herself to natural body-building techniques and stop popping pills, before she alienates all of her friends. :D Also, in all of the scenes in the mini-series, they're obviously trying to de-emphasize her femininity. She looks pretty decent here (http://www.imdb.com/gallery/scrapbook/63/Sbk/63/BSG04EP11_3780CS_LowRes.jpg?path=pgallery&path_key=Sackhoff,%20Katee), all dressed up, in a still from episode 11 of the series. (There's an "after" picture of her there in that same get-up, with hair mused and dark rings around her eyes, drink in hand, looking inenibriated and unhappy).

Originally posted by Joxer
michaelscott, you should have gone down to the San Diego Comic Con the last couple years when the new BG producers/writers/stars were there and were confronted by many classic BG fans!

Oh I bet it got nasty :p
Some of them classic BG fans have a irrational hate of the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica . At some of the BG fan sites you will be banned for posting about new series

Originally posted by michaeltscott
That alone was a threat; in the new series, they acheive a nearly effortless coup by developing a method to disable humanity's defenses. You can wink at this sort of thing in the fairy-tale that the original series was, but not so easily in this. I agree with you somewhat. It would have been neat if the new writers could have come up with a more believable scenario to start the series off with, or at least a better explanation of how the tribes put themselves in such a bad spot. The idea of the Cylon sneak attack was obviously a sci-fi version of the Pearl Harbor attack in which the U.S. made even stupider mistakes.

I'm not sure how much that information might have improved subsequent episodes of the series and I don't agree completely that the more serious nature of the new series forces the writers to tie all these loose ends. After the bombs started falling those mistakes were all water under the bridge. And it's still just a low budget TV series.

Originally posted by michaeltscott

I find that the gravity of the new series forces me to take a close look at how ridiculous the set-up is. "Humanity" creates artificially intelligent robots who rebel (plausible), after which a long war ensues (plausible), after which they come to an impasse and negotiate a peace treaty (starting to get shaky), after which they lose all contact with them for years and no one seems to care??? (BZZZZZ! You lose, but thank for playing Credibility!)

You know, after seeing a few episodes of the series, I'd just like to say that I don't think the back story is inviolate...let's just say that I don't think that everything having to do with the "legend" is as it seems, and there may be an overriding and compelling twist to the plot regarding the true nature of the Galactica's mission.

Also, I'd like to say that I was a fan of the original series as a child, where I couldn't tell camp and fun from high drama, but this new series pushes the right buttons for an adult sci-fi audience. Watching the OS re-runs on Sci-fi is still fun, and if you want the original series back, well...there it is.

The whole notion of the original series being this precious thing that we need to stay "true to" is preposterous and predicated on the ridiculous belief that the original series is some literary work of virgin genius that deserves to remain untouched. I hate to be the bearer of bad tidings for so many, but for angry fans of the original series: Your childhood is over. Get over it. Battlestar Galactica as captained by Lorne Greene was a fish out of water that flopped around for a season or two and died a miserable, ugly death ala Galactica 1984. I'm sorry, but arguing the original series over the new one is like lamenting the absence of woundless fire-fights and spontaneous explosions from a re-make of "The A-Team". It just wasn't good tv to begin with, and improvements are welcome in my book.

At this point, after having lived a while, I'd gladly trade camp for intrigue, and derring-do for human drama. If I wanted camp and bold, primary-color cheese, I'd head for Austin Powers, Star Wars, Blade, etc. Taken on its own, I think the series takes the best part of the original (the premise) and does with it what could have been done in the first place: make it good, dramatic sci-fi television.

The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.

Originally posted by robertawillisjr
The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.

Even worse is that SciFi on Charter Cable in St. Louis is still in mono. (As are Fx and a lot of the movie channels. Boy, do I hate Charter.)

The worst thing about SciFi .........

Is B. Hammer (management, or non if you like)! Far and away the worst thing about this channel.

As for STL at least the Cards did better than the stros ;-0 OTOH; I use to live up there, St. Charles area, I liked it. ;-)

Originally posted by jc5810
I was going to say the exact same thing (old career officer with a drinking problem finishing his duty on a ship about to become a museum).

If you read the interviews with the writers/director/etc at SciFi.com you will find they intended the show to be just as it is. There are no real heroes to root for because they wanted humans to be portrayed as they are "in real life." "Everyone has some kind of flaw." When I first heard about the mini-series 1 1/2 years ago, I read quite a bit about it - first out of excitement that they would redo it (new special effects and such), but then to find out WHY they changed it so much. I wasn't happy about that (I was 10 when the first series aired, so I didn't know better :). But, I actually like this version much better. And I really like how they made the ships, especially the fighters, more "realistic" by using small jets to control pitch/direction, etc (very much like a real spacecraft like the shuttle).

The problem with that philosophy is that you still don't have reason to care about these people at first, and in real life there are real heroes, good people that sacrafice, everyday. But it wasn't until the series that I've started caring more about the characters and their plight.

I think the mini-series lacked a real emotional hook though. Maybe more scenes of civilians being killed, women, children. Give the audience a REAL understanding of what was at stake and what was happening. Not just some shots of people trying to get off world. The scene with the baby being killed by the hot cylon accomplished a little of that, but it needed to be done on a much more grand scale.

Also, with the series, as of now, you tend to forget there are people, not just military and political types, by civs, trying to survive. Scared to death. Desperate. I think the show needs to reflect a little more on just what the Galactica is trying to protect.

BTW. While I didn't like Starbuck going female, this actress has grown on me, and I find her very attractive. And Hatch's role in the series in perfectly played by him, so it was nice to see him get a chance to experience the new show directly.

Just watched Episode 11....OMFG

Originally posted by archiguy
Forgive continuing this off-topic topic, but I was a big Wing Commander player as well, and finally gave up playing years ago, but would have loved to have been able to see all the video clips that were on the disks. Anyone know how to do that without actually going through the missions?

I bought a DVD version of WC4 just for that purpose. I can access all the VOB video files on it - they are high quality on the DVD.

Originally posted by Iteki
Just watched Episode 11....OMFG

I seem to have missed something. How are you able to see the episodes (I assume you are currently in TX based on the info below your nickname).

Originally posted by robertawillisjr
The worst thing about the new series is that is on SciFi which doesn't do HD.

Amen. How ironic that this show is produced in HD, yet nobody can see it that way! What's the point? My guess is to get a top-notch DVD downconvert for later sales. Anyway, it's especially grating considering we got to see the show in HD on NBC last weekend. And it looked great, didn't it? <heavy sigh>

The dilemma I'm facing is this: do I watch this show on super-crappy SD on the Sci-Fi channel, or just wait for the first season DVD, probably out soon after it finishes its run here in the States...? It wouldn't be HD, and that sucks for us, but at least it would be high quality 480p and [probably] anamorphic widescreen & DD5.1. What are you guys going to do? Can you hold out that long?

I can... atleast Im going to try. The key is to make yourself miss the first ep then it becomes much easier.

Stargate on the other hand, not a chance.

Originally posted by Iteki
Just watched Episode 11....OMFG

What's it about. I thought 10 was damn good last week.

Originally posted by jc5810
I seem to have missed something. How are you able to see the episodes (I assume you are currently in TX based on the info below your nickname).

It's a tad BIT complicated TORRENT

Originally posted by archiguy
Amen. How ironic that this show is produced in HD, yet nobody can see it that way! What's the point? My guess is to get a top-notch DVD downconvert for later sales. Anyway, it's especially grating considering we got to see the show in HD on NBC last weekend. And it looked great, didn't it? <heavy sigh>

The dilemma I'm facing is this: do I watch this show on super-crappy SD on the Sci-Fi channel, or just wait for the first season DVD, probably out soon after it finishes its run here in the States...? It wouldn't be HD, and that sucks for us, but at least it would be high quality 480p and [probably] anamorphic widescreen & DD5.1. What are you guys going to do? Can you hold out that long?

Are you just ignoring the UHD option because you don't have UHD? With Deadwood and 24 both on right now, I'm leaning towards that option, and if for some reason it doesn't work out, I can always fall back on renting the DVD's or repeats on SciFi.

Originally posted by turls
Are you just ignoring the UHD option because you don't have UHD?

UHD?! Help me out here.... What is it and who's got it?

D* and voOm have it (id assume some cable cos do too).... at some point battlestar will air on UHD(Universal HD) (it was announced when bravo was renamed, and the commercial has clips) but it hasnt appeared on their schedule as of yet.

I'll just DVR the Sci-Fi channel episodes for now

Originally posted by jagouar
D* and voOm have it (id assume some cable cos do too).... at some point battlestar will air on UHD(Universal HD) (it was announced when bravo was renamed, and the commercial has clips) but it hasnt appeared on their schedule as of yet.

Oh, so Bravo-HD was renamed to Universal HD? Okay. I know that Bravo is owned by NBC, who also owns SciFi, so that makes sense. TWC and E*, my two providers, don't have that one yet. E* is hopeless, but maybe TWC will pick it up soon....

Please please PLEASE let it be on UHD soon. I am enjoying the new series, but watching it on Sci-Fi on Directv is excruciating!

Originally posted by mikey p
Is B. Hammer (management, or non if you like)! Far and away the worst thing about this channel. Brother, you can say that again.....

I'm so very, very glad I'm having someone send over the UK recordings..

SCI FI HAS TOTALLY SCREWED UP THE THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that atonal, boring theme that was on SciFi last night IS NOT WHAT THE COMPOSERS WANTED...

quotes from here...

http://rgmusic.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099440941

11/2/04

"What I can tell you is that the main title sequence as it is airing in England has been quite controversial with the SciFi Network honchos. Where this is going to lead, I don't know yet. I'm keeping my head down for the moment."


12/20/04

"Okay here is the update. Apparently Bonnie Hammer (Scifi Network head honcho) has been very unhappy with the approach of the main title music as it is airing in England - too sad, I am told. Honestly I don't disagree totally - my first thought was to write a rousing main title way back when, but I was dissuaded from doing so at the time. At any rate they cut together a new piece of music consisting of a piece of instrumental score from the show going into the existing taiko drum piece. They asked me to "smooth it out" and improve it, but only slightly. I personally don't care for what they have done and have passed - they have basically squeezed the emotion from the opening, in my opinion. Bear is taking a stab at pleasing them now - I'm over it."


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you persue that thread you can hear the theme as it was meant to be.. and I'm now going to hold on to these discs even tighter (16:9 Anamorphic they are). And when the offical release comes about.. they're better be some darn good extras.... and even then I may be doing surgery with multilple soundtracks and +DL blanks...

let me blow off some more steam...


ARRGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So I watched the first two episodes of the series. Not nearly so bad as the wretched miniseries. I can see where it could become decent as the actors settle into the roles (the worst character right now is the XO; I hated Starbuck in the miniseries, but there wasn't that much of her in these episodes). The pacing is still too slow. Music on the soundtrack is one of my problems--the sparcity of it and the blandness of what little there is. The show could use...punch, and a little music for emotional emphasis would help.

It was interesting to watch the little half-hour lead-in program with the actors--I didn't know that the actor playing Apollo was British. Katie Sackhoff's actual personality is pleasant and cheery, which somehow made the bitch she's playing in the series more palatable. Apparently she'd never seen the original series, so she didn't know that the Starbuck character in it was male, so the controversy over her portraying it with the fans of the original series took her by surprise.

It's worth watching some more.

Originally posted by seanmcgpa
Please please PLEASE let it be on UHD soon. I am enjoying the new series, but watching it on Sci-Fi on Directv is excruciating!

I have the same wish. I just watched the Sci-Fi two hour premier (Tivo'd from last night). After watching the HD pilot on NBC, it was very disappointing to watch in SD 4:3, with the bars on top in bottom. If not on UHD, hopefully SciFi will soon go HD.

I was a huge fan of BG when I was a kid had the toys posters etc! BUt I got to say that this show ROCKS! How much more back story did the original series have over this? NONE! How much more can you illustrate the fact that the colonies were wiped out alll life was killed or hunted down and killed after the attacks?

How much deeper and more serious and heartrending can you get than the scene where the sublight ships were left behind to be destroyed? Hearing them begging over the radio for them to stay was tough to watch.

More intrigue? I don't think how there could be more....on the one hand the cylons seem to be hunting them down like dogs yet the back story of the cylons infiltrating with clones and giving Baltar hints of dangers as if toying with the race is compelling!

This is a very well written and awesome production! It does tend to move a little slowly at times, But if they continue to get better and better at it the pace will tighten!

BTW love the hatch character. This is something the original did not have much of in the way of the political pressures of leading a group this size on a wild goose chase and having political opposition to defeat as well as the cylons! Every decision put through the media/political wringer. You all will love #11 if you like this sort of real life stuff...reminded me of the election we just had here in the US!

Anyway give it time it grows on ya!

The actors not seeing the original Battlestar Galactica makes me think they aren't aware there already was a tough female warrior pilot named Sheba - why remake Starbuck? In the new show they have real names and only have the names like Starbuck and Apollo as "call signs" - there was no reason to reuse the names. They also aren't using terms like centons, microns, etc like the original series - the only common term they use is "FRACK" a lot!

Well, I've heard one 'rumor' floating about that in the second series (SciFi has already comissioned 6 'backup' scripts and Ron Moore is quite confident...) they may reuse another 'concept' from the original (ep 1x10 "the Hand of God" is a redo of an original series ep, and will hold you on the edge of your seat...) that could get to be a little fun...

We may get to see Starbuck's "father" appear... in the original series it was Fred Astaire ("The Man with Nine Lives")...

Dirk Benedict anyone?? (pickup the commercial release of the mini and there's a nice interview/conversation with Starbuck (Dirk) and Starbuck (Katee).... while they are relaxing at 'Starbucks'....)

Originally posted by Londo
Brother, you can say that again.....

I'm so very, very glad I'm having someone send over the UK recordings..

SCI FI HAS TOTALLY SCREWED UP THE THEME MUSIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

that atonal, boring theme that was on SciFi last night IS NOT WHAT THE COMPOSERS WANTED...

quotes from here...
<SNIP>


I haven't watched the show yet on Sci-Fi, but I have the Sky One UK broadcasts, and I admit I LOVE the intro theme music. Very moody and sets a wonderful tone for the series.

Bonnie Hammers a dumb...... "Ugly Female Dog".... and it amazes me she even has a job in entertainment, so it would be no surprise to me she'd have issues with a great soundtrack.

Originally posted by Mntneer
I haven't watched the show yet on Sci-Fi, but I have the Sky One UK broadcasts, and I admit I LOVE the intro theme music. Very moody and sets a wonderful tone for the series.

Bonnie Hammers a dumb...... "Ugly Female Dog".... and it amazes me she even has a job in entertainment, so it would be no surprise to me she'd have issues with a great soundtrack.

Spotty history with this Sci-Fi bunch....cancelled Farscape (at the height of it's ratings) for Tremors. But apparently Ben Browder from Farscape will now be starring in Stargate SG-1, so we'll see how that goes. I had stopped watching Stargate, but I'll watch it for Ben (he's got a family to feed :-)

I'm enjoying BSG...I like the new take on it, with the exception of the female Starbuck. I like the actress, just wish they had chosen to give her her own character, and kept the original character intact (charming womanizer, gambler, rogue, above all LIKEABLE).

i'm finding it hard to watch on my 62" dlp via scifi on directv. if ever there was a show that was ripe for HD, this is it. i love the way they handle the effects on this show - especially the documentary style camera handling. the ship effects are excellent. hate to be watching it the way i am though.

BSG showed some imagination with the airing of its series premier. I liked the concept where the Ceylons tagged Colonial 1 so they could follow the fleet from jump to jump in their effort to exhaust the survivors and force a mistake. I'm impressed with Ceylon technology creating replicas of imbedded agents. The back-story on Caprica also intrigues me. Grace Park, aka Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) is "hot!". Too bad she's a Ceylon replicant out to sabotage the Battlestar!:mad:

check out Battlestar Galactica on scifi.com (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/)

Originally posted by Iteki
But apparently Ben Browder from Farscape will now be starring in Stargate SG-1, so we'll see how that goes. I had stopped watching Stargate, but I'll watch it for Ben (he's got a family to feed :-)


What a shame he signed on for the wrong show. Wouldn't Ben Browder be just terrific as Apollo? The guy they ended up with is perhaps the weakest link in the show's cast, IMO. And SG-1 is nearing its end; BG may go on for several more years if more people discover how totally cool it is.

Originally posted by archiguy
What a shame he signed on for the wrong show. Wouldn't Ben Browder be just terrific as Apollo? The guy they ended up with is perhaps the weakest link in the show's cast, IMO. And SG-1 is nearing its end; BG may go on for several more years if more people discover how totally cool it is.

Actually Ben would have made the PERFECT Starbuck :-)

Oh well, he has bills to pay, can't blame him for getting work where it was there to be had.

From what I can tell, SG-1 ratings are still holding strong, it's just that McGuyver and the female lead are limiting their involvement (hard to blame them....going on 9 years).

Originally posted by Iteki
From what I can tell, SG-1 ratings are still holding strong, it's just that McGuyver and the female lead are limiting their involvement (hard to blame them....going on 9 years). Very strong, and the involvement of Ben has them already thinking about season >10<.

And just for the record, RDA's been trying to scale back for sometime now... as for Amada Tapping's 'limiting' her involvement, her being PREGANT has a little to do with it (5 months IIRC), so for at least the 1st half of season 10, they have a new 'female lead'....

Claudia Black (!!)

now all we need is a few episodes with Gigi Edgley, Anthony Simcoe, Wayne Pygram and Lani Tupu as Goa'uld and it's old home week!

OK--because I thought episodes 1 and 2 were OK, I recorded the 4 hour miniseries on Sci-Fi on Sunday. I'd previously given up on watching the 3 hour version that aired in HD on NBC, quitting before the final hour.

Well, I suffered through the first 2.5 hours of this, which are deathly slow--it lulled me to sleep 3 times. I'm glad that I did, because the final hour and a half was excellent! I'm particularly glad that I watched the surprise twist scene in the end with the human-form Cylons--I'm very, very rarely surprised by plot twists and I love it when it happens, and this one caught me completely off guard.

I like the Cylons even more than ever. I really think that they should win and eradicate humanity (though, of course, I know that that won't happen :)). In a sense, they are the evolution of mankind. I particularly like their religion. The Cylons in the original series didn't seem to have much of a raison d'être.

Number 6 is a brilliantly conceived and quite well realized character. Who'd have that that an award-winning ex-Victoria Secret supermodel could make such a good actor? :D

The only character whose portrayal I really hate is Colonel Tigh. He really seems plastic and contrived.

Originally posted by archiguy
What a shame he signed on for the wrong show. Wouldn't Ben Browder be just terrific as Apollo? The guy they ended up with is perhaps the weakest link in the show's cast, IMO. And SG-1 is nearing its end; BG may go on for several more years if more people discover how totally cool it is. I strongly disagree. I like the guy who's playing Apollo; the original Apollo was kind and soft-spoken, a balance for Starbuck's brash, out-of-control nature.

I don't care for Ben Browder, who was my least favorite thing about Farscape, which was never one of my favorite shows. To me, he seemed to deliver most of his lines in an unnecessarily loud voice. Now, apparently, he's come to ruin SG-1, one of my all-time favorite series. Oh well.

So does anyone know when this is going to be showing on Universal HD? I really liked "33" and "Water" and would love to see this in HD rather than on Sci-Fi.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
I strongly disagree. I like the guy who's playing Apollo; the original Apollo was kind and soft-spoken, a balance for Starbuck's brash, out-of-control nature.

I don't care for Ben Browder, who was my least favorite thing about Farscape, which was never one of my favorite shows. To me, he seemed to deliver most of his lines in an unnecessarily loud voice. Now, apparently, he's come to ruin SG-1, one of my all-time favorite series. Oh well.

Curious how one can prefer SG-1 over Farscape...but to each their own. :-)

I'm hoping Browder will bring his brand of humor to the show (McGuyver was always funny too)...time will tell I suppose.

Originally posted by Iteki
Curious how one can prefer SG-1 over Farscape...but to each their own. :-)

I'm hoping Browder will bring his brand of humor to the show (McGuyver was always funny too)...time will tell I suppose. And let's not forget Babylon 5 especially during the 'Shadow wars...'

Sweet Mary Mother of Mercy...should we start a thread for those who are watching the UK SKY eps? I'm dying to discuss this stuff, but it's all SPOILERS for those who are watching in the US.

IMO the greatest Science Fiction movie ever was: Tim Burton's Mar's Attacks! Complete with some of the best ever/all-purpose Martian dialog: Ehh!!!:D

Originally posted by Iteki
Curious how one can prefer SG-1 over Farscape...but to each their own. :-)Given SG-1's greater longevity and a spin-off, seems like many people must :). Farscape was extremely fanciful and bizarre. I like SG-1's being based on Earth and its alien races' tie-ins to ancient Egyptian and Norse mythology. It's just less...hokey. And the writing is an order of magnitude better, IMHO. Like you said--to each his own.Originally posted by optivity
And let's not forget Babylon 5 especially during the 'Shadow wars...' B5 was never one of my favorites, mostly because of the bad CGI--I've played computer games with more realistic graphics. It was also a bit on the too melodramatic side. But I had a much greater tolerance for it than Farscape and I've probably seen most of the episodes of the series, by and by.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Given SG-1's greater longevity and a spin-off, seems like many people must :). Farscape was extremely fanciful and bizarre. I like SG-1's being based on Earth and its alien races' tie-ins to ancient Egyptian and Norse mythology. It's just less...hokey. And the writing is an order of magnitude better, IMHO. Like you said--to each his own.B5 was never one of my favorites, mostly because of the bad CGI--I've played computer games with more realistic graphics. It was also a bit on the too melodramatic side. But I had a much greater tolerance for it than Farscape and I've probably seen most of the episodes of the series, by and by.

Just because a show has more viewers, doesn't make it superior. Lowest common denominator (i.e. DUMBED down) gives us shows like Friends and Will and Grace. It doesn't mean they are good shows, just that more people can relate to them.

SG-1 using Egyptian/Norse mythology is just plain LAZY...plots are built in, just grab a myth and run with it. Not too much imagination required.

Farscape imagined entire cultures completely separate from our own, with diverse races, etc. It had more imagination and better writing on it's worst episodes than most of SG-1's on their best.

But since this is a Battlestar Galactica forum, I suppose it's time to move on and stay on topic. :-)

SG1 was and is better IMO that farscape... And the second half season of atlantis is better than both (watching the euro rips)

Farscape gave us Scorpius...

Babylon 5 gave rise to: "Vir you moon-faced assassin!"

And now BSG introduces: Lt. Sharon Valerii (Boomer) aka Grace Park, and she's "hot!" But seriously folks, I thought the series premier was imaginative and I enjoyed the show.

One last thought...

Bring back "Lexx!"

Originally posted by Iteki
Farscape imagined entire cultures completely separate from our own, with diverse races, etc. It had more imagination and better writing on it's worst episodes than most of SG-1's on their best.The "diverse races" imagined by Farscape were unrealistic and goofy. Neurotic living starships??? Give me break. SciFi from the young people's section of the book store. (IMHO, of course :)). The series only lasted as long as it did because it was on Sci-Fi. SG-1 originated and spent its first two or three seasons on a premium cable channel and goes on in syndication on other channels.But since this is a Battlestar Galactica forum, I suppose it's time to move on and stay on topic. :-) You thought to put this suggestion in your comment, but it didn't stop you from posting one more off-topic comment. Interesting. Now let's stop, shall we? :).

Originally posted by michaeltscott
The "diverse races" imagined by Farscape were unrealistic and goofy. Neurotic living starships??? Give me break. SciFi from the young people's section of the book store. (IMHO, of course :)). The series only lasted as long as it did because it was on Sci-Fi. SG-1 originated and spent its first two or three seasons on a premium cable channel and goes on in syndication on other channels.You thought to put this suggestion in your comment, but it didn't stop you from posting one more off-topic comment. Interesting. Now let's stop, shall we? :).

Hmmm...I suggested we stay on topic for a reason....so the forum wouldn't become a flame war. In the interests of peace, love, and understanding, let's move on.

We both got caught up in escalating series of ugly criticisms of each other's favorite programs. Shame on us both. Peace. :D

Originally posted by michaeltscott
The "diverse races" imagined by Farscape were unrealistic and goofy. Neurotic living starships??? Give me break. SciFi from the young people's section of the book store. (IMHO, of course...Sorry to inform you but 'Mora' had reasons to be neurotic...

"Moya is a Leviathan — a giant, living ship. She was born free, then captured by slavers who sold her to the Peacekeepers, who forced her into service as a prison transport."

I'd "rather" watch an early episode of Sliders than SG-1. Of course Sliders eventually degenerated to the episode starring "Wade's Head!" :eek: After that Keri Wurher aka Maggie Beckett took over for the Wade's head character and talk about "hot!" But I digress...

Farscape aboard the 'living ship' Moya had an excellent and continuing multi-season story arc with characters: Commander John Crichton, Officer Aeryn Sun, Ka D'argo, Chiana, Scorpius and Pilot to name a few... While I enjoy 'special effects' as much as the next person I prefer a good story go along with my space opera too. The movie "Stargate" starring Kurt Russell and James Spader was good and it's not like I don't enjoy SG-1/SG Atlantis. But there is a difference between good and great Science 'series' Fiction and while SG-1 is good, Farscape was great!. Too bad you don't recognize the difference...:o

Oh, please. We all just disagree. What you think is "great" seemed silly, poorly written and acted and ill conceived to me, though I did watch some of it when I was dying of boredom, so it wasn't "unwatchable". Ben Browder never seemed to be able to say anything in a tone lower than a shout--he was by far the least tolerable part of it, and the plot revolved around him, which is why I had such a hard time with it. Neither of us is going to change the other's opinion on the matter so there's no sense in arguing about it, and digging a deeper rathole in this thread. Let's just respect our indivdual rights to our own opinions. I'll bet that I dislike some of the foods that you enjoy and vice-versa :).

"Can't we all just get along?" :rolleyes:

Originally posted by nessus
One last thought...

Bring back "Lexx!"

Many episodes of Lexx were shot in HD... Unfortunately they never got shown that way.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Oh, please. We all just disagree. Neither of us is going to change the other's opinion on the matter so there's no sense in arguing about it, and digging a deeper rathole in this thread. Let's just respect our indivdual rights to our own opinions. I'll bet that I dislike some of the foods that you enjoy and vice-versa :).

"Can't we all just get along?" :rolleyes: 'mea culpa...' I guess you're right. One thing we can all agree on is we enjoy watching the Science Fiction channel. Too bad it's not in HD!:mad: Now, back to BSG...

I just watched the two hour premiere of BSG. There are parts of the show I really like and then there are parts that I really don't like. One part that annoys me is the whole Dr. Baltar and Number Six thing. The talking to himself gets old fast. I also hoped for more action but that should come in due time. I like many of the cast members and hope my enjoyment will increase the more I watch the series.

Originally posted by ANSEK
I just watched the two hour premiere of BSG. There are parts of the show I really like and then there are parts that I really don't like. One part that annoys me is the whole Dr. Baltar and Number Six thing. The talking to himself gets old fast. I also hoped for more action but that should come in due time. I like many of the cast members and hope my enjoyment will increase the more I watch the series. Right. It got to the point where if I had seen Number Six one more time I thought I might scream!:eek:

On the plus side, I thought the Colonial 1 tagging scheme that enabled the Cylons to jump after the 'fleet' to be an imaginative story-line; and I enjoyed the back-story going on at Caprica.

Originally posted by ANSEK
I just watched the two hour premiere of BSG. There are parts of the show I really like and then there are parts that I really don't like. One part that annoys me is the whole Dr. Baltar and Number Six thing. The talking to himself gets old fast. I also hoped for more action but that should come in due time. I like many of the cast members and hope my enjoyment will increase the more I watch the series.

I thought that way too at first, but give it time, it actually gets better.

Originally posted by HDHTPC
Many episodes of Lexx were shot in HD... Unfortunately they never got shown that way.

I tried to watch Lexx a few times, but concluded that it was too much of an incoherent mess to waste my time with. And the lead character who wore that silly pillbox/shriner hat was as unappealing a character to ever appear on the small screen. But, at least that was made up by the female lead who was perhaps the most blisteringly sexy woman ever to grace the small screen. She was totally smokin'....!

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Oh, please. We all just disagree. What you think is "great" seemed silly, poorly written and acted and ill conceived to me, though I did watch some of it when I was dying of boredom, so it wasn't "unwatchable". Ben Browder never seemed to be able to say anything in a tone lower than a shout--he was by far the least tolerable part of it, and the plot revolved around him, which is why I had such a hard time with it. Neither of us is going to change the other's opinion on the matter so there's no sense in arguing about it, and digging a deeper rathole in this thread. Let's just respect our indivdual rights to our own opinions. I'll bet that I dislike some of the foods that you enjoy and vice-versa :).

"Can't we all just get along?" :rolleyes:

I took a night off from posting and look what happens! Flame wars are back :-)

Stop the Insanity! :-)

Originally posted by Iteki
...Farscape imagined entire cultures completely separate from our own, with diverse races, etc. It had more imagination and better writing on it's worst episodes than most of SG-1's on their best... I totally agree. It is very subjective, but I've been a SciFi fan for most of my (54 years) life, starting with Commander Cody, Flash Gordon, moving through the original Outer Limits, and onward. I've gotta say that Farscape has been one of the best.

I'm 46, and I've been a SciFi fan since I read Heinlein's Have Spacesuit, Will Travel 37 years ago. Farscape was just not my cup of tea. It was just too weird and fantastic, and overly melodramatic. (You know, it reminds me a lot of Flash Gordon--put a little Fu Manchu mustache and goatee on Scorpius et voila! Instant Emperor Ming :)).

I'm a big fan of some of the Star Trek series, probably DS 9 most of all, for many the same reasons that so many of you love Farscape. It took a Starfleet crew and stuck them out on their own in the hinterlands, far away from the sedate interior of the Federation, where they had to deal with a diverse set of races and cultures and high post war tension, eventually putting them at the frontline of a much bigger war. I just found the races, characters and story arcs much more credible, palatible and interesting than Farscape's, but again, that's just me. :)

I will say one thing for it though. It may not have garnered enough of a following to stay on the air, but it was well reviewed, and its fans are truly fanatical. People who love it, really love it. Though I like SG-1 a lot, and dislike Farscape somewhat, I don't feel nearly so strongly about either of them as the people who adore Farscape.

Farscape fans, I salute you!

Originally posted by michaeltscott

I will say one thing for it though. It may not have garnered enough of a following to stay on the air, but it was well reviewed, and its fans are truly fanatical. People who love it, really love it. Though I like SG-1 a lot, and dislike Farscape somewhat, I don't feel nearly so strongly about either of them as the people who adore Farscape.

Farscape fans, I salute you!

Isn't that the truth. I introduced my brother to Farscape in the middle of it's third year...then it got cancelled and he was more bitter than I was! Here he had just discovered this great new show (to him) and they took it away. :-(

Reminds me of another show that had fanatical fans but was pulled after being considered too 'brainy and cerebral' and 'out there'....Then the show was put into syndication in as many markets as possible and changed the way the profitability of TV shows was measured.

Who knows, in 10 years we might see Farscape become the billion dollar business that Star Trek has become. Or it might just be a trivia question on the Trivial Pursuit Sci-Fi Edition. :-)

Count me in as another who never "got" Farscape, for many of the same reasons that others have mentioned (Muppets? You kidding me?!). But you gotta' admire the fanatical devotion of those who did! Heck, I'll salute 'em too.

But this new incarnation of BG is just ridiculously, absurdly good. I had no idea it was going to be this well done. If the rest of the eps are equal to or better than the first two, this has the potential to be the best sci-fi series ever. Or at least the equal to the late, lamented Firefly, who presently holds that honor, IMO.

And to those who keep hoping for an Enterprise revival, have you seen the ratings for last week's new episode? 105 on the week with a paltry 1.5 million viewers. I think The Mullets managed to draw more flies, er, I mean viewers. As much as I wanted Enterprise to retool and succeed, mostly for nostalgia's sake, it's looking like it's curtains for the ST franchise. Maybe the producers can check out BG an hour later and learn how to do it right. This show is written for, and targeted to, adults. Praise the gods.

Originally posted by archiguy
Count me in as another who never "got" Farscape, for many of the same reasons that others have mentioned (Muppets? You kidding me?!). But you gotta' admire the fanatical devotion of those who did! Heck, I'll salute 'em too.

But this new incarnation of BG is just ridiculously, absurdly good. I had no idea it was going to be this well done. If the rest of the eps are equal to or better than the first two, this has the potential to be the best sci-fi series ever. Or at least the equal to the late, lamented Firefly, who presently holds that honor, IMO.

And to those who keep hoping for an Enterprise revival, have you seen the ratings for last week's new episode? 105 on the week with a paltry 1.5 million viewers. I think The Mullets managed to draw more flies, er, I mean viewers. As much as I wanted Enterprise to retool and succeed, mostly for nostalgia's sake, it's looking like it's curtains for the ST franchise. Maybe the producers can check out BG an hour later and learn how to do it right. This show is written for, and targeted to, adults. Praise the gods.

The ST string has pretty much been played out. I've felt for some time that they need to let it lie fallow for a while, then do a NEXT NEXT Generation and open it up to new sciences, races etc. My understanding was that they only did this current season in order to make it more marketable for syndication (larger library of episodes).

It's too bad, as Enterprise has actually improved this year. About a year too late, alas.

I agree about BSG...very well done. I'm watching the eps from the UK, season finale is next Sunday/Monday...I'm hanging on the edge of my seat here. Does anyone know how well it is/is not doing in the US so far?

Originally posted by ANSEK
I just watched the two hour premiere of BSG. There are parts of the show I really like and then there are parts that I really don't like. One part that annoys me is the whole Dr. Baltar and Number Six thing. The talking to himself gets old fast. I also hoped for more action but that should come in due time. I like many of the cast members and hope my enjoyment will increase the more I watch the series.

The thing is, those scenes with Number Six are *all* flashbacks (basically, *scenes from the cutting room floor*) to the beginning; mostly prior to the events of BG (and the Last Cylon War). *This* BG can safely be said to be a sequel to the original BG (remember, in the new BG movie, the only Cylons folks knew about were in museums, and Galactica herself was going to be mothballed).

And there is one comment that Adama made which was rather telling: "We created the Cylons." That brought me back to a series of episodes of the *original* BG where Galactica scientists did indeed reassemble several Cylons for R&D. Also, there is the *known fact* that the *civilian-series* and (naturally) the later IL-series (such as Lucifer) didn't even *remotely* resemble humans (the original Baltar pointed out that the race that created the *Series One* Cylons were wiped out by their creation, and that *Count Ibli* was the model for the personality base of the IL-series in a conversation with Ibli on the prison barge during the original BG). So could these *Series Two* Cylons be the unfortunate children of the original Galacticans' hubris? (Both Adama and Baltar seem to think so.) Also, here are several new facts concerning the Series Two Cylons:

1. Unlike the Series One Cylon fighters, the Series Two fighter *is* a Cylon itself (basically, it's a one-Cylon craft where the craft *is* the pilot). Also, there are no such things as *base ships*.

2. Except for the fighters, all other Series Two Cylons (from infiltrators such as Number Six to administrators) resemble humans (however, Series Two Cylons are more resistant to most types of radiation than humans). Worse, there are *ultra-deep-cover* Cylons that don't even know it themselves (such as Boomer aboard Galactica; it's also possible that the *other* Boomer, back on Cylon-occupied Caprica, is another). There is currently no easy method for detecting such Cylons (Baltar, in several conversations).

3. While there is an *extermination* faction that holds the majority opinion among Cylons, that opinion is not universal (Number Six herself has doubt). I expect future episodes will look deeper into the division within the Cylons on this subject. (A Cylon fifth column?)

"Count me in as another who never "got" Farscape"

I concur, I just did not watch it, it was not my cup of tea, I like the Star Trek, SG1, FireFly, hell X-Files, but it's a personal thing to me (as it should be). I do have friends who think the world of it and I respect their opinions, big time.

I do understand how upset they are with one Bonnie Hammer and the SciFi channel in general. This does not keep me from watching, but it has caused heartburn between myself and a very close friend, damn it's only TV after all. As for BSG it also is only TV, you get to make up your own mind if it's your cup of tea, there are other things to watch.

And on that note try to watch some HDTV tonight of your choice. It's LOST night! ;-)

Originally posted by Iteki
I agree about BSG...very well done. I'm watching the eps from the UK, season finale is next Sunday/Monday...I'm hanging on the edge of my seat here. Does anyone know how well it is/is not doing in the US so far?

SciFi reports very high ratings for last week's 2 episode BSG premiere:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30212

Galactica Scores Big Ratings

The two-hour Jan. 14 premiere of SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica was the number-one cable program on that date in key demographics and ranked as the highest-rated January show in the network's history. Galactica ranked first among adults aged 25-54 and 18-49 and men aged 25-54, 18-49 and 18-34. The show earned a 2.6 household rating (3.1 million viewers), ranking second among all cable programs.

Galactica was also SCI FI's highest-rated first-quarter series telecast ever and its second highest-rated series telecast ever, behind only Stargate Atlantis' series premiere in summer 2004.

Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers, beating 16 of the top 20 programs on the six broadcast networks, including JAG and Fox's premiere of Jonny Zero.

Originally posted by PGHammer
The thing is, those scenes with Number Six are *all* flashbacks (basically, *scenes from the cutting room floor*) to the beginning; mostly prior to the events of BG (and the Last Cylon War). *This* BG can safely be said to be a sequel to the original BG (remember, in the new BG movie, the only Cylons folks knew about were in museums, and Galactica herself was going to be mothballed).

And there is one comment that Adama made which was rather telling: "We created the Cylons."Huh??? In the scenes with Number Six speaking to Baltar, she speaks to him about things in the scene. She points out the Cylon device planted on the Galactica bridge, for example. There are a certain number of flashbacks to other moments in his relationship with Number Six, before he knew that she was a Cylon, but not back to before the first Cylon War (40 years back). If Baltar was a grown man 40 years ago, he's aged awfully well.

You know, I'd totally forgotten that in the original series the Cylon "race" was the creation of some alien culture separate from the Twelve Tribes of Kobol. In this series, however, in the first few seconds we're told that the Cylons were created by man as servants who turned against their masters. Recall, please, Number Six telling Baltar "Humanity's Children are returning home. Today." Also, the original series featured the characters Commander Adama, Captain Apollo, Lt. Starbuck, Colonel Tigh, Baltar and Boxey. What--did they drag them all out of mothballs too? Please recall that the last Cylon war was 40 years back.Also, there are no such things as *base ships*.What are those huge stylized curvy things that appear out of hyperspace, from whence hordes of Cylon raider then emerge? You will see them shown on this (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/) page at SciFi.com, pictured at scale with the other types of vessels. There's a little menu at the bottom of the page--the first selection at the top will magnify the Cylon Base Ship and give its description. It says that it carries at least 250 raiders.

Originally posted by Joxer
SciFi reports very high ratings for last week's 2 episode BSG premiere:
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?category=0&id=30212

Galactica Scores Big Ratings

The two-hour Jan. 14 premiere of SCI FI Channel's original series Battlestar Galactica was the number-one cable program on that date in key demographics and ranked as the highest-rated January show in the network's history. Galactica ranked first among adults aged 25-54 and 18-49 and men aged 25-54, 18-49 and 18-34. The show earned a 2.6 household rating (3.1 million viewers), ranking second among all cable programs.

Galactica was also SCI FI's highest-rated first-quarter series telecast ever and its second highest-rated series telecast ever, behind only Stargate Atlantis' series premiere in summer 2004.

Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers, beating 16 of the top 20 programs on the six broadcast networks, including JAG and Fox's premiere of Jonny Zero.

Good news indeed.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Huh??? In the scenes with Number Six speaking to Baltar, she speaks to him about things in the scene. She points out the Cylon device planted on the Galactica bridge, for example. There are a certain number of flashbacks to other moments in his relationship with Number Six, before he knew that she was a Cylon, but not back to before the first Cylon War (40 years back). If Baltar was a grown man 40 years ago, he's aged awfully well.

You know, I'd totally forgotten that in the original series the Cylon "race" was the creation of some alien culture separate from the Twelve Tribes of Kobol. In this series, however, in the first few seconds we're told that the Cylons were created by man as servants who turned against their masters. Recall, please, Number Six telling Baltar "Humanity's Children are returning home. Today." Also, the original series featured the characters Commander Adama, Captain Apollo, Lt. Starbuck, Colonel Tigh, Baltar and Boxey. What--did they drag them all out of mothballs too? Please recall that the last Cylon war was 40 years back.What are those huge stylized curvy things that appear out of hyperspace, from whence hordes of Cylon raider then emerge? You will see them shown on this (http://www.scifi.com/battlestar/ships/) page at SciFi.com, pictured at scale with the other types of vessels. There's a little menu at the bottom of the page--the first selection at the top will magnify the Cylon Base Ship and give its description. It says that it carries at least 250 raiders.

It sounds like Hammer over thought the new series a little too much. The Six Baltar sees is his subconscious talking to him, which actually makes me wonder if he's not a Cylon himself. In any event, at first I didn't like it, but as the show has progressed, it's worked very well.

Also. People shouldn't read too much into differences between the Cylons from the first show to the second. I think for this series, Moore felt it was more interesting to have the Cylons be a creation of man, that somehow became more spiritual than man has.

I didn't realize though how short this series is. Way under 20 eps. So I can only hope that they have plans past the current 12 or so eps that they're going to air.

Originally posted by Mntneer
The Six Baltar sees is his subconscious talking to him, which actually makes me wonder if he's not a Cylon himself.

In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans.

Originally posted by jc5810
In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans. "Like"? She's told him that she loves him, and wants to have his baby. Seriously. :)Originally posted by Mntneer
Also. People shouldn't read too much into differences between the Cylons from the first show to the second. I think for this series, Moore felt it was more interesting to have the Cylons be a creation of man, that somehow became more spiritual than man has. As I said earlier, I think that their spirituality gives them a reason to keep going. Imagine a collection of self aware machines created by a race of people who used them as chattel servants. Having developed the desired to escape slavery, what's next after you acheive freedom? Personally, I'd think that they'd have a bit of an inferiority complex to overcome, and their interesting religion would be one way to deal with it.

Not to get into a religious rathole here, but human faith in God give huge numbers of people a "center" which makes their lives seem meaningful. Why wouldn't machines need something similar (if not moreso)?

Originally posted by jc5810
In the mini series she told Baltar that he's not hallucinating - she implanted a transceiver in his head. I forgot the reason, but she does "like" Baltar, so maybe she wants to protect him even though the Cylons want to wipe out all humans.

Must have missed that part in the Mini-Series.

Granted, I really didn't like the mini-series, though I like the series.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
[BNot to get into a religious rathole here, but human faith in God give huge numbers of people a "center" which makes their lives seem meaningful. Why wouldn't machines need something similar (if not moreso)? [/B]

I'm looking forward to where they take this. Early man "invented" gods as a way of accepting things that he did not understand and couldn't explain. As man's knowledge grows and that which he does not understand diminishes, his "need" for gods also diminishes. Given that the Cylons are machines, where does their need for a god come from? To make themselves more human? Sounds like they have a real love/hate thing going on with humanity. :)

Originally posted by archiguy
...........If the rest of the eps are equal to or better than the first two, this has the potential to be the best sci-fi series ever. Or at least the equal to the late, lamented Firefly, who presently holds that honor, IMO................


I am currently on the next to last episode and I can tell you by far episode 12 (Kobols Last Gleaming Part 1) is the best episode so far; I have not seen a bad episode yet. The only thing I regret is that there is only one episode left.

Originally posted by archiguy
As man's knowledge grows and that which he does not understand diminishes, his "need" for gods also diminishes.I think that there are hundreds million of people on the Earth today who would disagree with you. Who was it who said, "If God didn't exist, we would have had to invent Him."? I think that many people, even some who don't believe in the God of Abraham or Allah or Gaea or the Hindu pantheon or Satan or whatever need to believe in a higher power, even if they don't anthropomorphize It or believe that It cares or is aware of the existence of humanity, much less requires our worship. Just believing that we are some part, no matter how incidental, of a whole design that has some purpose for something or someone else greater and beyond themselves is enough. I don't think that this will change, not matter how great the depth of human knowledge should grow.

I think that the Cylons would have a profound need for faith. What is their purpose? Why should they replicate themselves? What is their motivation? They don't have our biological imperatives to breed and protect the young that we produce.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Just believing that we are some part, no matter how incidental, of a whole design that has some purpose for something or someone else greater and beyond themselves is enough. I don't think that this will change, not matter how great the depth of human knowledge should grow.

There are those who believe we have a "god-gene", some part of our brain that needs to believe in a supernatural power, perhaps left over from an earlier time and necessary to our survival. Newsweek had an article on this within the last couple of years, I believe. Perhaps this is true...? At any rate, I do think that the original "need" for gods was a way to help explain the unexplained which was all around them. Once we became sentient, this may have become necessary for survival and kept early man from being paralyzed with fear of the unknown that simply doesn't bother non-sentient animals. Who knows? In some cases today, belief in the supernatural seems to supersede the knowledge derived from science; this isn't healthy or conducive to further man's body of knowledge.

I think that the Cylons would have a profound need for faith. What is their purpose? Why should they replicate themselves? What is their motivation? They don't have our biological imperatives to breed and protect the young that we produce.

It will be interesting to see where Ron Moore takes us with this concept. The possibilities are intriguing. Perhaps the Cylons have programmed themselves with such a need to "reproduce" and protect their "new ones", and that's the motivation for destroying mankind - before man discovers their hiding places and destroys them...?

Originally posted by archiguy
There are those who believe we have a "god-gene", some part of our brain that needs to believe in a supernatural power, perhaps left over from an earlier time and necessary to our survival.

That sounds like Matthew Alper's theory "The God Part of the Brain"
http://www.godpart.com/

Originally posted by Joxer
That sounds like Matthew Alper's theory "The God Part of the Brain"
http://www.godpart.com/

Yep. I believe this book was the "genesis" of the Newsweek article I referenced above. Interesting stuff.

Originally posted by Joxer
Galactica delivered 2.2 million viewers aged 25-54 and 1.9 million among those aged 18-49. The show won a decisive victory over UPN's Star Trek: Enterprise, outperforming its new episode in total viewers, among adults 25-54 (2.2 million vs. 1.7 million) and 18-49 (1.9 million vs. 1.5 million). Among men 25-54, Galactica delivered 1.5 million viewers,


The FARSCAPE mini-series delivered similar ratings, but I don't hear any rush from that channel to bring it back as a series, sadly. That said, the GALACTICA series has certainly turned out to be a better show than most had expected it to be. Just wish the PQ and audio on the Sci-Fi channel were better.

What would be great is if NBC would telecast the HD version maybe a week behind the original airing on SciFi. Kind of like ABC did with USA's "Monk" a couple of years ago. Would that not be sweet for us?? It would also give them a chance to milk more ad dollars out of each episode as well as expose this awesome show to a wider (non-cable) audience. Seems like a win-win for everyone.

George Thompson, how about it?

Knowing the cross platform synergies that exist, nothing is out of the question. But, I would expect to see it on UHD before NBC. I have not seen any press releases or stories on the move...
(Remember the engineering department doesnt sit around talking about programming, especially when it comes out of Left Coast)
Latest BSG press release:
http://nbcumv.com/scifi/release_detail.nbc/scifi-20050119000000-viewersembracesci.html

Additional SCI FI release...
SCI FI DRAWS CIRCLE AROUND 'TRIANGLE'; HELMER, CAST NOT YET SET FOR DECEMBER PREEM
By DENISE MARTIN, Variety, 1/21/2005

Sci Fi Channel has greenlit "The Triangle," a long-gestating miniseries from execexec producers Dean DevlinDean Devlin and Bryan SingerBryan Singer and scribe Rockne O'Bannon.
A December premiere date has been locked for the program, though no director or cast has been set. Story explores the myth of the Bermuda Triangle.

Sci Fi execs pacted with Devlin and Singer to begin developing the project in May 2003, on the heels of ratings highs for Steven SpielbergSteven Spielberg's event series "Taken." Devlin's Electric EntertainmentElectric Entertainment will produce the project.

O'Bannon ("Farscape," "SeaQuest DSV") is polishing the draft, with "The Triangle" now planned as a six-hour, three-part event. Singer was mum on the plot's details, but described the piece as a contemporary tale involving scientists and investigators from different fields who come together to figure out the truth behind the Bermuda Triangle.

"Our story takes off at a point when there has been a gradual increase in phenomena surrounding the Triangle. As this group begins to unravel the mystery of the area, they'll encounter significant danger," Singer said. "It's very eerie and interesting -- perfect for Sci Fi Channel."

"Triangle" is one of several minis at Sci Fi, which is still developing projects with Hollywood heavyweights including Spielberg, Michael De Luca, Ridley ScottRidley Scott, Frank DarabontFrank Darabont, Martin ScorseseMartin Scorsese and Gale Anne HurdGale Anne Hurd.

Devlin produced the features "Cellular," "Independence Day""Independence Day" and "Godzilla," and co-wrote the 1994 "Stargate" featurefeature. Singer will next direct "Superman Returns." He exec produces the Fox hospital drama "House" and helmed both "X-Men""X-Men" films.

O'Bannon's credits include writing the scripts for ABC's "Peter Benchley's Creature" and NBC's "Robin Cook's Invasion."

Thanks, George. I was thinking since NBC carried the miniseries (in HD!) that maybe they might be thinking of something like this. The problem with UHD is that [virtually] nobody gets it (and there hasn't been an announcement as to their carrying it in any event). Such a shame that this series is produced in HD but nobody can see it that way.

Geez! I'd forgotten completely about Seaquest DSV (possibly for the good :)). I just looked it up and found that the kid who played the boy genius in it died a suicide in 2003, at the age of 27--reportedly no one knows why. Sad.

So is the consensus that there'll be no second season?

Originally posted by rogo
So is the consensus that there'll be no second season? Huh? Everything gets at least two--probably three--seasons on SciFi. (Even Lexx was into a third season when it got axed). That's the only advantage of being there. :)

Oh, good, Michael... I got the impression above this was it. I'm getting involved in the show and didn't want to get too attached (as I did with the original series).

Anyone think this one will beget a "Galactica 2010" spinoff a few years later?

I'd love to see this show go on for a few years, and it may be the second season or beyond before we get to see it in HD. The trick will be to keep this level of quality. Fortunately, there seem to be many potential plot lines, many directions they can go.

Money and time for the stellar fx work are critical here too. The producers can't get cheap now with this thing. When they showed the half-hour "making of" minidoc before the first episode, all the actors interviewed looked like it had been a long while since they worked on the show. 'Baltar' with a full beard and 'No. 6' with much longer hair, for example. Strange to hear 'Apollo' with his natural clipped British accent, too. Wonder how long their hiatus has been?

Originally posted by rogo
So is the consensus that there'll be no second season?

Why would that be? The ratings for the BSG series debut were very good for the SCi-Fi channel. It was reported a few weeks ago that after the success of the airings in the UK, that Sci-Fi ordered an additional 6 episodes to the 13 that were already shot for season one. So we should see a 19 episode 1st season, probably broken into 2 parts as Sci-Fi likes to do.

Heck, Sci-Fi is apparently planning for the 9th season of Stargate SG-1, which, IIRC, came to Sci-Fi from Showtime starting with the 6th season. SG-1 is definitely getting more than a little tired, especially with the tighter Sci-Fi budgets, so they don't go to nearly as many planets where the stargate is always out in the forest somewhere with trees and terrain which are amazingly similar to that found in the pacific NW. :)

Just because the bastards canceled Farscape a season too soon, doesn't mean they won't try to get 3 or 4 seasons out of BSG. 4 seasons of 13 to 20 episodes each could make for a good story arc without getting too many tired alien of the week episodes.

However, I do hope they rebroadcast the BSG and the Stargate episodes somewhere where I can see them in HD. I get a mediocre picture at best for the Sci-Fi channel via my Comcast cable hookup.

Originally posted by afiggatt
Just because the bastards canceled Farscape a season too soon, doesn't mean they won't try to get 3 or 4 seasons out of BSG. 4 seasons of 13 to 20 episodes each could make for a good story arc without getting too many tired alien of the week episodes.Even if Farscape got cancelled a "season too soon" (and lord knows, for the fans, the season after that would have been "too soon" because they'd have started some other story arc that would have been left hanging :)), the point is, it got four seasons and I think it would be strange if the new BSG didn't get the same sort of chance to establish itself. It's not like there's oodles of quality series sci-fi waiting in the wings.

Stargate is a cash-cow phenomenon. I've been a staunch fan but even I have to admit that they're losing steam. There was a great story arc at the end of last season involving saving the world from invasion by Anubis' fleet by discovering and gaining control of an ancient weapon beneath the artic ice (which was a lead-in to the spinoff). This was great stuff and a hard act to follow. Last night's episode suggests a new direction with intriguing possibilities--we'll see. The story needs new blood all around, allies and foes, problems and solutions. The soup is getting thin.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Stargate ... Last night's episode suggests a new direction with intriguing possibilities--we'll see. The story needs new blood all around, allies and foes, problems and solutions. The soup is getting thin. [/B]

I was like - yeah right - take the one weapon that works against the replicators and let them run a lot of tests on it. The premise was so thin and the outcome too predictable. The TiVo was busy last night with Enterprise, SG1 and BSG all on - I watched them all, and rank SG1 third behind the other two even though the Enterprise and BSG episodes weren't better examples of those shows.

Originally posted by HDHTPC
I was like - yeah right - take the one weapon that works against the replicators and let them run a lot of tests on it. The premise was so thin and the outcome too predictable. The TiVo was busy last night with Enterprise, SG1 and BSG all on - I watched them all, and rank SG1 third behind the other two even though the Enterprise and BSG episodes weren't better examples of those shows. Not exactly what I meant:The replicators weren't in our galaxy, nor have they encountered the Gou'ald, nor did they have a leader with the knowledge of Samantha Carter, and deep insight into the way that she thinks. There was always the Human vs. Gou'ald struggle off on one side and the Asgard vs. replicator struggle off on the other. Now it can kind of all blend together--could be interesting. Who knows? It's something.And yeah, I'd agree with you--SG1 was the least interesting of those three programs, but if you were going to make a comparison, somebody had to lose. Where I wouldn't agree is to say that the rest of BSG has been appreciably better than last night's episode. It's all been pretty much on a level plane, IMHO. Good, but no real peaks since the last 1.5 hours of the miniseries.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Huh? Everything gets at least two--probably three--seasons on SciFi. (Even Lexx was into a third season when it got axed). That's the only advantage of being there. :) Tell that to the people that worked on "The Chronicle".. one of the better shows and was whacked after 1 season... this AFTER they were told that they were gold (and the ratings really did back it up.. it was equal to Farscape in most demos).. and then, after they wrote and FILMED a cliff-hanger ending... were jacked around till the week before filming was to start.. and then told 'never mind'...

Originally posted by Londo
Tell that to the people that worked on "The Chronicle".. one of the better shows and was whacked after 1 season... this AFTER they were told that they were gold (and the ratings really did back it up.. it was equal to Farscape in most demos).. and then, after they wrote and FILMED a cliff-hanger ending... were jacked around till the week before filming was to start.. and then told 'never mind'... Okay :D--I guess I'm wrong! There are lots of things on Sci-Fi whose ads don't interest me that I assume are just bad movies or miniseries and don't realize are full-fledged series. From the description at IMBD, sounds like "Mulder and Scully go work for the National Inquirer". This actually had Farscape's weekly ratings? Any others that died a terrible death aborning? Wasn't there some strange urban monster-fighting thing?

In any case, I don't see this happening to BSG.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
... Where I wouldn't agree is to say that the rest of BSG has been appreciably better than last night's episode. It's all been pretty much on a level plane, IMHO. Good, but no real peaks since the last 1.5 hours of the miniseries.

I thought "33" was better than the prison break.

any plans to rerun the mini series? I am still confused on the whole cylon thing - and why they are on the old galactica.. and which boomer in the cylon? the one on the ship or the one on the planet, and why are they on the cylon planet.. lol too many questions, plus I dont really remember the old galatica series, didnt the cylons and humans call a truce?

jim

Originally posted by jim tressler
any plans to rerun the mini series? I am still confused on the whole cylon thing - and why they are on the old galactica.. and which boomer in the cylon? the one on the ship or the one on the planet, and why are they on the cylon planet.. lol too many questions, plus I dont really remember the old galatica series, didnt the cylons and humans call a truce?

jim

They're getting ready to mothball the Galactic, so it's still crewed.

Both boomers are cylons. One just doesn't know it.

I think so in the original series, that they had called a truce.

Farscape was cancelled because, despite the ratings, the SCi-Fi channel was losing money hand over fist on it the way the production deal was structured. It was a business decision to cut a money-losing show that weirdly had nothing to do with ratings.

I e-mailed UHD to ask them when they were planning on showing BSG since it is listed on their web site FAQ, but to date I've received no response.

Originally posted by jim tressler
any plans to rerun the mini series? I am still confused on the whole cylon thing - and why they are on the old galactica.. and which boomer in the cylon? the one on the ship or the one on the planet, and why are they on the cylon planet.. lol too many questions, plus I dont really remember the old galatica series, didnt the cylons and humans call a truce?

jim

just some detail on the Galactica - it is old (50 years, i beleive in this version of BSG). It had no NETWORKED computers. They Cylons, by way of Number Six's relationship with Baltar, were able to defeat all the new-age networked systems, so all the newer battlestars and fighters were simply shut down and rendered defenseless. Since the Galactica didn't have the new technology, they cylons couldn't shut down its systems.

The Cylon planet is actually one of the recently destroyed colonies. Caprica, if I recall. Their raptor had to make emergecy repairs (from the mini series). While on the planet, survivors approached, they had a raffle, and took as many as they could (forgot how many). They guy, Helo, stayed behind to make room for one more - Baltar. His partner, Boomer, is on the Galactica as she flew the raptor. The Boomer on the planet is another copy and is no doubt leading Helo into a trap to to give up some information (my guess).

If you watched the original series from the '70s, take all of that and throw it out the window. This is a complete re-write of the story, not a sequel/prequel.

thanks all.. so the mini series (which I just found on dvd) explains it "all"??

Originally posted by jc5810
The Cylon planet is actually one of the recently destroyed colonies. Caprica, if I recall.

I don't believe this to be the case. Caprica was just another (perhaps the capital?) human colony (one of twelve) that was attacked and occupied by the Cylons. Nobody knows where their "planet" is as they just "disappeared" for 40 years after the truce was signed.

Originally posted by archiguy
I don't believe this to be the case. Caprica was just another (perhaps the capital?) human colony (one of twelve) that was attacked and occupied by the Cylons. Nobody knows where their "planet" is as they just "disappeared" for 40 years after the truce was signed.

You are correct, but I'm not talking about the cylon home world. My message was in reply to jim tressler's question as to why they (boomer and helo) are on the "cylon" planet. They aren't - they are on Caprica, which is now under Cylon control.

Originally posted by jc5810
Helo, stayed behind to make room for one more - Baltar. His partner, Boomer, is on the Galactica as she flew the raptor. The Boomer on the planet is another copy and is no doubt leading Helo into a trap to to give up some information (my guess). Right. It was a major bummer to find out Boomer is a cylon. Aren't some cylon' brought up to believe their human, and can be activated to carry out their mission on command? Also, it appears cylon's do have some control over their actions as Boomer displayed when she decided not to blow up the raptor during it's search and discovery of water. I was under the impression that multiple copies of cylon's could not be active at the same time, but with (2) Boomer's simultaneously in-the-mix I must be wrong.

^^^ Correct.

Any news on Universal HD's schedule for showing Battlestar Galactica (both the 2003 miniseries and the 2005 series)?

the 2003 mini series is what sci fi showed a couple of weeks ago as a kick off to the series right? so I am assuming the dvd I found is the same thing?

all and all I like the show.. just need to see the mini series to tie it all together :)

Originally posted by jim tressler
the 2003 mini series is what sci fi showed a couple of weeks ago as a kick off to the series right? so I am assuming the dvd I found is the same thing?


Not exactly. NBC showed a 3 hour version of the 4 hour miniseries in HD (including commercials, of course). So, they edited out roughly 25% of the mini to fit their time slot. The DVD shows the entire 4 hours, but it's not in HD, either.

Originally posted by optivity
Right. It was a major bummer to find out Boomer is a cylon. Aren't some cylon' brought up to believe their human, and can be activated to carry out their mission on command? Also, it appears cylon's do have some control over their actions as Boomer displayed when she decided not to blow up the raptor during it's search and discovery of water. I was under the impression that multiple copies of cylon's could not be active at the same time, but with (2) Boomer's simultaneously in-the-mix I must be wrong.

Yes, she's a likeable character, cylon or no. But I suspected she was a cylon from the start...she was just TOO horny :-)

is how long the cylons have infiltrated the human society?

Boomer for innstance on Galactica does not seem to know she is a cylon. Was she always a cylon from say academy on or did she replace the real Boomer?

Cylon's can be brought up to believe they are human, and activated to carry out their mission on command? It appears cylon's have some control over their actions; like Boomer displayed when she decided not to blow up the raptor during it's search and discovery of water.

Are both Boomers Cylons or is the one on Caprica the human one? I think they're leaving this deliberately vague but I have a feeling that the Caprican one with Helo is the "original."

As for multiple copies being simultaneously active, at the end of the mini-series, the group of human form Cylons break into the station that they'd just gotten supplies from to free the guy that they left behind, whom Baltar accused of being a Cylon (correctly, be he had no way of knowing). As I recall, there were duplicates in that group, and one of them was the same "model" as the one being rescued.

Didn't someone (maybe Baltar) in an episode find a note saying something like "there are only 12" models of human form Cylons? I may be misremembering or misinterpreting that.

Originally posted by David F
Are both Boomers Cylons or is the one on Caprica the human one? I think they're leaving this deliberately vague but I have a feeling that the Caprican one with Helo is the "original."

Both Boomers are Cylons.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
As for multiple copies being simultaneously active, at the end of the mini-series, the group of human form Cylons break into the station that they'd just gotten supplies from to free the guy that they left behind, whom Baltar accused of being a Cylon (correctly, be he had no way of knowing). As I recall, there were duplicates in that group, and one of them was the same "model" as the one being rescued.

Didn't someone (maybe Baltar) in an episode find a note saying something like "there are only 12" models of human form Cylons? I may be misremembering or misinterpreting that.

There are 12 models, but there are multiple COPIES of each model. Think Terminator...all 3 Arnold Terminators are the same model, but are different copies.

Both Boomers are Cylons, just different copies of the same model.

so whats up with balter and 6 - why is she in his head so much?

So then why did the Boomer Cylon on Caprica ice the Cylon #6 model who had just captured Helo? Is she an "active and aware" Cylon or not?

Originally posted by David F
So then why did the Boomer Cylon on Caprica ice the Cylon #6 model who had just captured Helo? Is she an "active and aware" Cylon or not?

TRUST

Originally posted by David F
So then why did the Boomer Cylon on Caprica ice the Cylon #6 model who had just captured Helo? Is she an "active and aware" Cylon or not? Most definitely. When she and Helo enter a city on Caprica, we see them being observed by Doral and number 6. Doral makes a comment like: She makes you look like an amateur... Implying Sharon acts more human than number 6.

Okay, I forgot about that comment. That was just before the "humans are our parents in a way" and "parents have to die for children to come into their own" exchange.

Originally posted by David F
Are both Boomers Cylons or is the one on Caprica the human one? I think they're leaving this deliberately vague but I have a feeling that the Caprican one with Helo is the "original." The one on Caprica is not human. I am currently on episode 12 (Kobol's Last Gleaming Part 1); I don't want to give to much away so I will leave it at that.

Originally posted by Iteki
[B]There are 12 models, but there are multiple COPIES of each model. Think Terminator...all 3 Arnold Terminators are the same model, but are different copies.

Both Boomers are Cylons, just different copies of the same model. [/BI wasn't the one who doubted that there could be multiple active copies--I was giving evidence that there could. If there are only 12 models and if only one of each could be active at any time, that doesn't make for much of a human form presence among Cylons.

How soon we forget! I remember being clued by the human form observers that the Boomer "helping" Helo on Caprica was a Cylon, but the one on Galactica seems to be at least a little under Cylon control, however imperfect. If one of them is human, it would imply that they have some form of mind control.

Originally posted by michaeltscott

If one of them is human, it would imply that they have some form of mind control.

You mean like No. 6 and Baltar? ;)

Nah, personally, I think Baltar is just losing it; driven insane by the overwhelming guilt he carries. But I could be wrong; we shall see...

Originally posted by archiguy
You mean like No. 6 and Baltar? ;)

Nah, personally, I think Baltar is just losing it; driven insane by the overwhelming guilt he carries. But I could be wrong; we shall see...

Originally posted by michaeltscott

If one of them is human, it would imply that they have some form of mind control.

You are both wrong......... trust me.

I assumed that the "real" Baltar perished on Caprica during the nuclear blast that blew through his house. Number 6's advice to "get down" would have been as effective as the old "duck and cover" routine we were taught in the 50's.

If Baltar survived the nuclear blast (doubtful), he would by this time be showing major signs of radiation sickness.

Originally posted by mikey p
"Still not sold on the Starbuck as a female premise, but the actress did a credible job."

Your age is showing........ ROFLOL. BTW; me too on the Starbuck opinion!

It was neat to see a version in HD. Have a great day.

Let's be honest - Starbuck was a woman in the original series. Don't think that was an accident!:p

Originally posted by iboon
Let's be honest - Starbuck was a woman in the original series. Don't think that was an accident!:p

Um....what? Dirk Benedict played starbuck...decidedly male.

Wow Dirk Benedict's dirty little secret? What about Sheba?

Wait a minute... Are you saying Lorne Greene was a Drag Queen? I always suspected something funny was going on at the Ponderosa.:p

Originally posted by petergaryr
I assumed that the "real" Baltar perished on Caprica during the nuclear blast that blew through his house. Number 6's advice to "get down" would have been as effective as the old "duck and cover" routine we were taught in the 50's.

If Baltar survived the nuclear blast (doubtful), he would by this time be showing major signs of radiation sickness.

Actually, that's a good point. Come to think of it, nobody could have survived that blast (he didn't even have a mark or cut on him). Ergo...Baltar must be a Cylon, specifically, one of those who doesn't "know" he's one - a "sleeper" Cylon like Boomer.

And no comments from the peanut gallery, Darth! :)

Originally posted by jim tressler
so whats up with balter and 6 - why is she in his head so much? Potential spoiler:Do a google search for "Battlestar Galactica" Baltar chip ... basically, the visions are "being generated by a Cylon device implanted in his mind". That's from an interview with Callis a long time ago (when the original mini was shot) ... so don't know if the series will deviate from that ... but ... that was going to be the deal: http://jamescallis.tripod.com/articlegallery/BG-enemywithin.htm

Originally posted by petergaryr
I assumed that the "real" Baltar perished on Caprica during the nuclear blast that blew through his house. Number 6's advice to "get down" would have been as effective as the old "duck and cover" routine we were taught in the 50's. People like to rag on "Duck and Cover" but in reality it makes a lot of sense for blasts that are not in the immediate area as long as you can avoid the effects of fallout; what you're trying to do is survive the effects of the blast wave which are no different from those produced in a conventional explosion.

To put it into context for Caprica, not only were most of the blasts distant (notice that when she tells Baltar to duck, only the window glass is blowing in), but we've seen Caprica has anti-radiation meds as well that presumably Baltar would be able to get his hands on...

Originally posted by dt_dc
Potential spoiler:Do a google search for "Battlestar Galactica" Baltar chip ... basically, the visions are "being generated by a Cylon device implanted in his mind". That's from an interview with Callis a long time ago (when the original mini was shot) ... so don't know if the series will deviate from that ... but ... that was going to be the deal: http://jamescallis.tripod.com/articlegallery/BG-enemywithin.htm dt_dc, in the mini-series, Number 6 suggests the explanation in your spoiler to Baltar. Interesting to get that confirmation, though.

Man talk about a stunner! This series only gets better and better! Cant wait for the rest to be produced!

Originally posted by psblake
Man talk about a stunner! This series only gets better and better! Cant wait for the rest to be produced!

Holy crap I didn't expect that! :eek:

I can't wait till the next round of eps gets put together as well, I just hope that they can maintain the level throughout this big build up.

too bad the us release is so far behind the british this thread would be rockin!!!!

I just watched episode 13 and all I have to say is....WOW!!

They better bring this show back for another season or there is going to be a hell of alot of pissed off people after watching the last episode

Actually baltar did get injured in the blast, he had a cut on his forehead.

You can see this as Boomer and co-pilot have to make an emergency landing and a mob is trying to get on Boomers ship to be taken off the planet.

I am curious does anyone know when the 14 episode is supposed to be aired or if they even have been made yet?

I think they've commissioned 6 more scripts but have not started production. They're probably waiting to see how it does here in the states before committing. So far, ratings look relatively strong, critical acclaim is there, and word of mouth seems to be good. (We're all digging it, ain't we?) Hopefully, we'll see more, but probably not for a while. Expect a DVD set shortly after it finishes its U.S. run to tide us over.

Originally posted by archiguy
Expect a DVD set shortly after it finishes its U.S. run to tide us over. Already up for preorder in R2, check Amazon.co.uk, March 28th I believe..

I'd have to admit. I HATED that miniseries, but this is the best Sci-Fi series to come along in a while IMO. Compelling pretty much week to week. A bit of Sci-Fi mixed in with Soap Opera.

you are right the series is MUCH better. I think why the mini series has problems in my mind as well as others is that we are looking for all the changes from the original.

Evaluation of each change either brings a good or bad reaction to the actor changes, character changes, storyline changes, etc. and doesnt allow you to enjoy the story et. al. for the stories sake. So once you get past all the changes and evalutions and first bad (because bad always sticks out more than good at first) impressions over all these changes and get into the writing and story line it is GREAT best in a while for sure!

Now I cannot wait for the story line to continue! They have added so much to give depth and it is a real adult oriented sci fi. No camp or over the top writing and acting at all! Very real reactions to the circumstances in the story.

How would you feel stuck on caprica, or running for days with little to no sleep....everyone is not a hero and they get grumpy and scared etc. great writing best in Sci fi in a long time!

Instead of getting bored with the endless search and endless cylon attacks, which I think the viewers of the first series did in the end, this writing pulls you in and you really start to identify with the characters and care to see what happens next.

If you haven't seen them all you are in for some fun!

Originally posted by Mntneer
I'd have to admit. I HATED that miniseries, but this is the best Sci-Fi series to come along in a while IMO. Compelling pretty much week to week. A bit of Sci-Fi mixed in with Soap Opera.

Most shows take a while to get things right. I hated ST: The Next Generation, especially that first episode. To have Troi experience the emotions instead of just reporting them was painful to watch. But, that show really took off.

To a lesser degree, this was the same. I liked the miniseries, but parts of it were a little long or missing something. So far the series just rocks. Looking forward to tomorrow night.

I caught last night's episode of BSG on SciFi. This show is excellent, IMO almost as good as Lost. Too bad it's not in HD and confined to the niche market that watches SciFi... because BSG really does have some substance regarding the production of this series... I really enjoyed the back-story involving Adama & Starbuck on last night's episode.

"So say we all..."

Watched epsiode 13 a couple days ago (thank you Sky out of the UK). VERY good. And there had better be a 2ns season.
Episode 13 was being classified on Sky as the season finale. I hope in translation that actually means season finale.

Also to note, I liked the original BSG, but I also like this one.
Farsacpe is also good
As is Lexx
B5
SG-1
Atlantis is starting to pick up

They are all good. Each has it's own merits.

"So say we all..."

Finally, most are happy with "SciFi Friday"! Can we wish for all HD now? I hope so, I have not been this happy since SHOWTIME gave up on this idea. At least there is SD TiVo (for SciFi) and D-VHS (OTA UPN HD) for Enterprise, life is good, for sure! SWEET! ;-)

I watched this weeks BSG and it is much improved over previous episodes. The improvement came from not feature Baltar in this episode. I am sick of the Number 6 flashbacks and visions.

Originally posted by ANSEK
I watched this weeks BSG and it is much improved over previous episodes. The improvement came from not feature Baltar in this episode. I am sick of the Number 6 flashbacks and visions. Episode 104, "Act of Contrition" was definitely a welcome change in the story line for BSG.Originally posted by RLJ Atlantis is starting to pick upSG Atlantis is entertaining enough... I especially enjoy episodes like the one last night featuring the 'Wraith' those "things" scare me!:eek:

I was checking the UHD schedule for new March listings, still no BSG series episodes. :(
I was also looking at the IMDB guest star list for the BSG series, and they indicate that the series should run its course and show the 13th episode on April 1st, 2005 on SciFi. So maybe April, after the season finishes on SciFi.

Looking back at February, there was a change to the schedule from the last time I checked. On February 20th, the Prime Movie will be Battlestar Galactica Part 1 from 8-9:30pm and Part 2 from 9:30-11pm (eastern). So, is this the NBC cut with commercial breaks, or the SciFi cut with no breaks at all? Beats me.

Originally posted by Rack
On February 20th, the Prime Movie will be Battlestar Galactica Part 1 from 8-9:30pm and Part 2 from 9:30-11pm (eastern). So, is this the NBC cut with commercial breaks, or the SciFi cut with no breaks at all? Beats me. UHD has been showing movies uncut, without breaks. I expect that means they'll show the full "four-hour" miniseries in that 3 hour period. But, I could be wrong.....

SciFi is showing BSG episode "Act of Contrition" tonight from 10 - 11 PM EST. For those who have not had the opportunity to catch what is shaping up to be an excellent science fiction series, this is your chance to be entertained.

So say we all...

just watched fridays episode last night.. very nice..

Somebody posted this link over on the "24" thread. If you scroll down about, oh, a quarter of the way, there's a great interview with BSG showrunner Ron Moore and old/new actor Richard Hatch. Check it out!

http://www.chicagotribune.com/entertainment/chi-tribtv.story

Great news, folks! SciFi just announced they've ordered up a second season of BSG. No word yet on the number of new episodes or when we can expect to see it. Ratings have been steadily climbing as people discover this brilliant show; SciFi must know they have a winner here. And on Friday nights, even! Now, if we could just see it in the HD version in which it's produced...

Originally posted by archiguy
Great news, folks! SciFi just announced they've ordered up a second season of BSG. No word yet on the number of new episodes or when we can expect to see it. Ratings have been steadily climbing as people discover this brilliant show; SciFi must know they have a winner here. And on Friday nights, even! Now, if we could just see it in the HD version in which it's produced...

OUSTANDING!!!!!

They should just move it to NBC prime-time and show encores on Sci-Fi.

NBC has nearly slipped behind FOX in the overall ratings so they'll be needing more mid-season replacements anyways. It would be great if NBC could run the real series in HD over the summer. I'd take back some of the awful things I've said about the network just like I've done with FOX.

NBC slipped behind Fox for last week's ratings due to the Superbowl and American Idol, both of which are short-term boosters. They are not, IMHO, in any real danger of any permanent competition from that quarter. They have lost what had been a firm grip on 2nd place to ABC, with whom they are in a current tie in the season-to-date network ratings. ABC launched some very successful new programming this season that's pulled them out of a tie for 3rd with Fox.

I kinda doubt that introducing a sci-fi series into weeknight primetime is going to help them combat Desperate Housewives, though Lost, one of ABC's other big primetime wins, is kind of a science-fantasy thing; Alias has many sci-fi elements as well. Both are much more soap-opera-esque than Battlestar Galactica. It's probable that NBC could use a dash of fantasy in their programming, though.

So say we all...

Sorry, but I just love that line... Anyway, I've seen every episode of Lost & BSG this season and both shows continue to impress...

way better than 'Joey':eek:

Here's a mild temptation :). An episode guide (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgeepisodes.aspx?pid=3&eid=31) for the entire first season on Sky One's site (UK satellite service).

Originally posted by optivity
So say we all...

Sorry, but I just love that line... Anyway, I've seen every episode of Lost & BSG this season and both shows continue to impress...

way better than 'Joey':eek:

optivity, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I couldn't agree more with every word you just said. ;)

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Here's a mild temptation :). An episode guide (http://www.skyone.co.uk/programme/pgeepisodes.aspx?pid=3&eid=31) for the entire first season on Sky One's site (UK satellite service). Nice web site, but since I've only seen up to episode 5 I'll have to stay away. Interesting to see Deadwood (another excellent HBO original series & in HD) on the same site. "Hex" also looks interesting.

GRACE PARK (Boomer) IMO is definitely a "smoke show." I'm hoping we can get this "cylon" babe to come over to our side.:D

Looking forward to tonight's episode, wish I could see it in HD.:(

I'm really enjoying both Lost & BSG this year.

once again...

"So say we all..."

"Most shows take a while to get things right. I hated ST: The Next Generation, especially that first episode."

Wow, I'd forgotten that. The first season was pretty ragged.

And it became far and away my all-time favorite episodic series.

This Battlestar Galactica ain't that good, but it sure is enjoyable.

And it makes me wonder what I found appealing about the original. This is just so much more sophisticated and interesting.

Originally posted by rogo
"Most shows take a while to get things right. I hated ST: The Next Generation, especially that first episode."

Wow, I'd forgotten that. The first season was pretty ragged.

And it became far and away my all-time favorite episodic series.It was probably my least favorite Star Trek series. It was a love/hate relationship--it introduced a few of my favorite characters (Picard, Data, Worf, Guinan) and a few of my all time least favorites (Riker, Troi, Riker, Wesley, Riker, Q and oh, did I mention Riker?). The Riker character was simply insufferable and he got way too much screen time. Far too many episodes occurred entirely in the holodeck. The creation of the Borg was genius, though. Would that they could have contrived a way to introduce them other than a childish, petulant act of Q.

ST: The Next Generation made me give up on Sci-fi television. After the first season of bad acting, cardboard characters and plots lifted directly from the original series, I concluded that I just wasn't into what the Next Generation of Sci-fi fans was into.

The holodeck was just an easy way to crank out story lines. Once they walked in there I knew the writers couldn't come up with anything good that week. Even in the original series' most desperate moments, they didn't send the Enterprise back into the 20th century every week.

This show Frakkin' rocks! Nuff' said. May the gods have mercy on you for not watching.

Originally posted by Jason Walstrom
May the gods have mercy on you for not watching. Hey! That's "may the Lords have mercy on you"! Watch it. :)

Aren't they running theBG miniseries again in HD on Universal HD next Sunday?

Originally posted by aaronwt
Aren't they running theBG miniseries again in HD on Universal HD next Sunday? Apparently.

Okay--I grew inpatient, as so many others here have, and went ahead and watched the remaining 7 episodes of this season over a couple of days (only about 4:50 minutes, sans commercial breaks :D).

Wow. I'm nearly speechless. Not only is this the best series sci-fi that I've ever seen, it's one of the best dramatic television series I've ever watched. And to think that this grew out of a mini-series that I absolutely hated on first sitting (and didn't finish the last half of the first time I tried).

I look forward to next season with baited breath. I can hardly wait for the DVDs for this season to be available for Region 1.

We got gypped on what SciFi did to the title sequence and theme. The original version is so much more compelling.

"We got gypped on what SciFi did to the title sequence and theme. The original version is so much more compelling."

That's good to hear, because I find what we get quite lame.

I'm glad you enjoyed the rest of the season. I'll settle for getting it the "slow way".

Mark

Originally posted by rogo
I'm glad you enjoyed the rest of the season. I'll settle for getting it the "slow way". Mark Must be an "age" thing.:eek: Only 7 more years until retirement.:) Patience is a learned attribute.;) I'm patiently waiting for my 50" PDP to watch shows like BSG.:D

I have less patience as I get older.

Originally posted by michaeltscott
Okay--I grew inpatient, as so many others here have, and went ahead and watched the remaining 7 episodes of this season over a couple of days (only about 4:50 minutes, sans commercial breaks :D).

Wow. I'm nearly speechless. Not only is this the best series sci-fi that I've ever seen, it's one of the best dramatic television series I've ever watched. And to think that this grew out of a mini-series that I absolutely hated on first sitting (and didn't finish the last half of the first time I tried).

I look forward to next season with baited breath. I can hardly wait for the DVDs for this season to be available for Region 1.

We got gypped on what SciFi did to the title sequence and theme. The original version is so much more compelling.

I was exactly the same way. I could have cared less about the BG series after sitting through the flawed mini-series, but morbid curiosity forced me to watch, and thank God it did.

It just kept getting better as each episode went by, and the "finale" was jaw dropping!

I just hope Sci-Fi doesn't muck with the production too much. They already ruined the great opening score that the UK got, I just hope they don't try and mess with the actual writing of the show.

Originally posted by Mntneer
I was exactly the same way. I could have cared less about the BG series after sitting through the flawed mini-series, but morbid curiosity forced me to watch, and thank God it did.

It just kept getting better as each episode went by, and the "finale" was jaw dropping!

I just hope Sci-Fi doesn't muck with the production too much. They already ruined the great opening score that the UK got, I just hope they don't try and mess with the actual writing of the show.

Two questions:
1) Why do you feel the mini was "flawed"? I enjoyed it at least as much as the regular season so far, and I thought it did a good job of "setting the scene" and introducing the characters. I see no dramatic difference in quality between the mini and the rest. It's all good.

2) Did the mini have the "original" opening score? How does what we hear every week differ? And how do you know anyway? You don't live in the UK; in fact you live not far from the ol' archiguy childhood homestead in southern WV. Call me puzzled....

You can download the **********s of the shows that have been aired in the UK. They have the other opening. I watched the opening last night and I do like it better.

Originally posted by archiguy
Two questions:
1) Why do you feel the mini was "flawed"? I enjoyed it at least as much as the regular season so far, and I thought it did a good job of "setting the scene" and introducing the characters. I see no dramatic difference in quality between the mini and the rest. It's all good.

2) Did the mini have the "original" opening score? How does what we hear every week differ? And how do you know anyway? You don't live in the UK; in fact you live not far from the ol' archiguy childhood homestead in southern WV. Call me puzzled....

The episodes ran in the UK months earlier than the US version. Copies are on the internet for downloading, but discussing that in any kind of detail will generally get your posts deleted. Suffice it to say that those who wanted to could watch the UK run with about a 1 day delay.

I actually loved the miniseries and was hoping for them to get picked up. I've avoided this thread because I've already seen the series run from start to finish and didn't (and still don't) want to spoil it for those who haven't.

As a young man of 10 years of age, I watched the original BSG. I have to say this one is a vast improvement as a show and artistic venture. But I still have a soft spot for the old one :-) (childhood memories die hard).

But as a fan of the original, here's something I never thought I'd say " HOW HOT is BOOMER?!?!" :-)

Originally posted by aaronwt
I have less patience as I get older. Yeah--I find that the same thing is true. I'll be 47 next month. :)

I don't know if it was so much a lack of "patience" as of willpower. Whatever--I'm not sorry that I did it. My only regret is that I will no longer be able to participate in the wild speculations about future plot turns in this thread. :D

Knowing me, I'll probably watch the "reruns" on SciFi, though I'm not sure if I can take the fuzzy analog cable (at least part of my motive).

Afterwards, I went digging around the site at SciFi and found Ron Moore's Blog (http://blog.scifi.com/battlestar/archives/2005/01/index.html) (Moore is the new series' developer, co-writer of the mini-series and writer or co-writer of 4 of these first 13 episodes). It's pretty interesting, particularly the Q&A sessions with the viewers who write him. (I hadn't noticed that Col. Tigh exclaimed "Jesus!" in some scene in the mini-series :)). There are some mild spoilers in there, but nothing too serious--he's speaking with an awareness that it's posted on SciFi, and what the viewers have seen so far in the States.

I was surprised by a father who complained about all the sex in the show, because his kid loved the original series, but he couldn't share the new one with him. I wasn't so much surprised by the complaint, but by how little I'd noticed the sex. It isn't really gratuitous--it's used to make the characters more real. Moore observes that, given the gross violent content of the show, the sex is the only thing that Americans find to complain about :). He wouldn't let his small children watch the show either, but it would be more out of concern for the violence.

archiguy, I know that you didn't ask me, but you can go back and find my first posts in this thread to find out why I found the miniseries to be so terrible. I watched the first two hours of the 3-hour HD version on NBC and deleted the recording in disgust. I'd decided, though, that I would give the new series at least a few episodes, on the chance that it would shape up better. After reading this thread for a bit, I went back and watched the 4-hour version of the mini-series as it aired just before the premiere of the weekly series. I still found watching the first 2.5 hours of it to be a chore--it lulled me to sleep 3 times. It really comes alive in the last 1.5 hours, though, and it ends magnificently.

BTW, you can hear the original theme in this (http://delta-serpentis.nx2000.net/files/ck1.mp3) clip. It was linked to in a post in this (http://rgmusic.proboards34.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&num=1099440941) board, a discussion group about the composer's work (which was mentioned in this (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4996049#post4996049) post in the current thread).

BTW, you can hear the original theme in this clip. It was linked to in a post in this board, a discussion group about the composer's work (which was mentioned in this post in this thread).

Yes, I agree this is a much better theme than the U.S. version. Dumbass studio execs, who think they know best, strike again. Why can't they leave the Art, to the Artist?

Is this not available by the original artist on CD somewhere?

I was surprised by a father who complained about all the sex in the show, because his kid loved the original series, but he couldn't share the new one with him. I wasn't so much surprised by the complaint, but by how little I'd noticed the sex. It isn't really gratuitous--it's used to make the characters more real. Moore observes that, given the gross violent content of the show, the sex is the only thing that Americans find to complain about . He wouldn't let his small children watch the show either, but it would be more out of concern for the violence.


Everything doesn't always have to be for damn kids. Frankly, I think there is way to little Sci-Fi for adults. So on the rare occasion that we actually get an adult oriented Sci-Fi show, the polyanna prudes need to just STFU, and turn the station to the Disney Channel.

Originally posted by archiguy
Two questions:
1) Why do you feel the mini was "flawed"? I enjoyed it at least as much as the regular season so far, and I thought it did a good job of "setting the scene" and introducing the characters. I see no dramatic difference in quality between the mini and the rest. It's all good.

2) Did the mini have the "original" opening score? How does what we hear every week differ? And how do you know anyway? You don't live in the UK; in fact you live not far from the ol' archiguy childhood homestead in southern WV. Call me puzzled....

My biggest problem with the mini-series is I hated all the characters. The only compassion I felt, at any time for what was going to happen, was when the hot blond Cylon killed that woman's baby before the invasion. Other than that, I felt like the invasion, the destruction of the colonies, had no weight to it.

I understand the "but humans are flawed beings in general" arguement, but IMHO, not enough was established about the characters to make me want to care about their future and fate. It's only been during the show's run that I've learned to care about them individually.

Maybe 4 hours wasn't enough for the mini-series, because to me, it felt rushed, and being rushed, felt incomplete. Fortunately, the series as a whole has changed that.

Oh... Sky One... they're the real reason, IMO, we've gotten the series we have. That's where you could find the shows coming from.

Originally posted by Rutgar
Everything doesn't always have to be for damn kids. Frankly, I think there is way to little Sci-Fi for adults. So on the rare occasion that we actually get an adult oriented Sci-Fi show, the polyanna prudes need to just STFU, and turn the station to the Disney Channel. Good point. BSG is on at 10 PM EST, besides most kids (at least teenagers) probably have something better to do with their time than watch TV with Mom & Dad on a Friday night.;)

Hi... I'm 10 and I've been taught to address you Mr. Adult "Dude Sir..." by your first name.

I still refer to seniors as Mr. or Mrs., Sir or Mam...

oops, I forgot:

So say we all...

Hello,

I have a couple of questions about BSG:

1. Some people wrote that they've seen all the episodes (13 I think... and in HD). How are these people doing so?

2. The first episode I watched (on Sci-Fi channel) was the one when they had to "jump" every thirty something minutes to avoid the Cylons. What episode # was that? How many did I miss?

TIA,

Tim

Originally posted by timick1
1. Some people wrote that they've seen all the episodes (13 I think... and in HD). How are these people doing so?By using "that which we do not speak of" (I'm sorry--I recently watched The Village :)). Scan through the last 10 posts--the same question was asked and answered. I can't be sure, but I believe that all those who've seen the series in HD were in the UK.2. The first episode I watched (on Sci-Fi channel) was the one when they had to "jump" every thirty something minutes to avoid the Cylons. What episode # was that? How many did I miss?The episode was entitled "33" and it was episode #1.01 (season 1, number 1)--you didn't miss anything before that, if you saw the 4 hour mini-series on SciFi, which first aired in 2003 and again several times in the past six weeks, or the 3-hour edited version of that which aired on January 8th on NBC (hence the title of this thread). "33" takes up the story 5 days after the end of the mini-series. If you missed the mini-series, it's available on DVD for rent or purchase.

plus - universal hd will be airing it sunday night at 8pm est i believe :)

plus - universal hd will be airing it sunday night at 8pm est i believe

You're talking about the mini-series, right?

yes, it is! :)

Season 2 begins this summer.. very nice!

http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire2005/index.php?id=30466

Whoopie!!! 20 new episodes & Grace Park... I'm in summer heaven!:D

Woohoo, there is a lot to answer with all the cliffhangers that ended the season in episode 13. Now we can find out how they plan to resolve them. :)

After I finished watching the season, there was not a doubt in my mind that they'd order a second. As I stated, it is the single finest science fiction series that I have ever watched, and ranks among the best dramatic series I've seen period.

I finally watched the mini series and it was damn good.. now alot of things make sense.. although one thing I must have missed is how boomer (the cylon) tricked helo when she showed back up on caprica - my guess is the cylons got a crashed ship and made up some story and helo bought it.. heres more food for thought.. how does #6 physically appear to try and frame baltar? my assumption is she is on the ship.. if thats the case is she "programming" the chip in baltars head? finally, whats with the device they found on the bridge - and the one that #6 was carrying??? many questions still :)

Originally posted by jim tressler
I finally watched the mini series and it was damn good.. now alot of things make sense.. although one thing I must have missed is how boomer (the cylon) tricked helo when she showed back up on caprica - my guess is the cylons got a crashed ship and made up some story and helo bought it.. heres more food for thought.. how does #6 physically appear to try and frame baltar? my assumption is she is on the ship.. if thats the case is she "programming" the chip in baltars head? finally, whats with the device they found on the bridge - and the one that #6 was carrying??? many questions still :)

Boomer (the cylon) showed Helo an actual ship that is of the type that she splyes being surrounded by the "normal" cylons. So it helped her story. Odds are they caught a lot of them on the ground or captured in space since they could knock out the onboard computers. Not dificult to do.

the cylons seem to be able to come and go from the ships. They have not explained how yet. It has happened before, just this time it ws #6.

that device on the bridge was a communicator/tracking device. #6 had one on Caprica just before the sneak attack. she looked at it in her bag while Baltar was being interviewed.

Just wait till you see the rest of the season, you will have even more questions. Trust me on that one. :D

Originally posted by michaeltscott
After I finished watching the season, there was not a doubt in my mind that they'd order a second. As I stated, it is the single finest science fiction series that I have ever watched, and ranks among the best dramatic series I've seen period.

High praise, indeed, but high praise is warranted here. This show is just ridiculously good, and anyone not watching is missing something special. It truly has become "must-see TV" for me, and no other show, even '24' and 'Lost', has such a grip. I missed "Litmus" (ep 6) a couple of weeks back (including the Monday re-broadcast) and was compelled to go out on the 'net and find it. Took me several days to figure that process out (thanks Mike!), but I would have gone nuts if I hadn't. BTW, the first episode in the series, "33" which picks up 5 days after the mini leaves off, is available for legal download from the SciFi Channel here (http://scifi.com/battlestar/). If that episode doesn't hook you, well, you're a Cylon!

Will the fist season appear on Universal HD?