Any idea of these speakers will support these formats? I know the decoder and amp is built in, wondering if they are upgradeable?

Also, do people think adding "wings" to the side of the speaker help the sound? I noticed in the demo set up at BB they have wooden partitions at about a 45 degree angle adjacent to the speaker. Something like


---------------------
/ +++++++++++ \
/ ++++++++++++ \
/'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' \

Does this help the sound? Or is this just for the demo area.

Mike

since the sound has to bounce off walls they would have to do something like this in a place that big, unless they have a speaker room setup.

Any idea of these speakers will support these formats?

AFAIK they require too much bandwidth to transmit over SPDIF; you need HDMI 1.3.

any of you with a YSP sitting fairly close to the back wall? what does this do to your surround sound experience?


anyone?

any of you with a YSP sitting fairly close to the back wall? what does this do to your surround sound experience?

yes I would like to hear about this too, I am interested in the YSP series for my townhouse.

I recently tested a YSP-1000 in my living room using a Panasonic DVD-S97 and a Motorola HD DVR from Comcast. I had extremely high hopes from all the rave reviews but my results were disappointing - it didn't sound much better than the low quality 2 channel speakers that came with my Sharp Aquos TV. The auto-setup failed the first time (it thought the microphone was behind the YSP!) but worked the next time. So my best guess is that the YSP had difficulty with the irregular layout of my living room, including open walls in front of the YSP, a mixture of glass, blinds, and sheetrock, and no 90 degree angles between walls My advice would be, you won't know for sure if it works in your environment until you install it, so only purchase the YSP from a vendor with a liberal return policy.

too bad costco doesn't carry them, I would like to try it out.

Made a few comments on the YSP-800 in a corner, semi-open layout in this thread:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?p=8117587&&#post8117587

hey do you guys think the YSP-1000 would work in my apartment?
I tried to draw out the floor plan

http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/1310/aptfloorplanjf3.jpg

hey do you guys think the YSP-1000 would work in my apartment?
Seems very unlikely to me.

Seems very unlikely to me.
how come?
:(

how come?
Download the manual and look at the angles it shows required to get surround sound.

Download the manual and look at the angles it shows required to get surround sound.
link?
(couldn't find the manual on Yamaha's site)

The manual is on the UK site:

http://www.yamaha-uk.com/sound_projectors/?product_id=129

I'd have my doubts about how well (as a virtual 5.1) it would work in that layout. Might work if you put your display on the flat wall. Or live with more of a 3.1-esque sound. Or buy it locally from a retailler with a good return policy.

hey do you guys think the YSP-1000 would work in my apartment?

Your living room is very irregular. I'd be surprised if the YSP worked well in that environment, regardless of where you sit.

looks like yamaha is bringing out a improved ysp-1000.


Digital Sound Projectors: The latest is the $1,699-suggested YSP-1100, replacing the same-price YSP-1000 and adding larger sweet spot, RS-232 port, and IR in/out. It also features component-video input and output.

Each Sound Projector contains multiple tiny drivers, each driven by its own dedicated digital amplifier to create focused “beams” of sound to produce direct and reflected sound waves that deliver multichannel surround effects as well as stereo and three-channel sound.

The Projectors incorporate decoders for Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby Pro Logic II and DTS Neo:6 surround sound formats, and they include three CINEMA DSP surround settings for listening to music, movies, or sports. A MyBeam mode lets users focus sound to a specific seating position to avoid disturbing others.

The YSP-1100 also incorporates an improved version of an automated system calibration to adjust the sound beams for best effect. Automated set-up takes less than three minutes to analyze and compensate for room acoustics and find the best beam angle by channel at the listening position.

Included Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer (YPAO) technology equalizes response to counter the deleterious effects of a particular room’s acoustics.

Another model in the series is the $899-suggested YSP-800.

interesting they are upgrading the YSP-1000 already. Darn, now I have to wait for the price to come down again.

interesting they are upgrading the YSP-1000 already. Darn, now I have to wait for the price to come down again.i'm still sticking with my old ysp-1 until they ad something like hdmi inputs.

Why would you need HDMI? I don't know why they bother with component video either. An optical or digital cable should be fine, why would you need to run a video signal thru it?

Why would you need HDMI? I don't know why they bother with component video either. An optical or digital cable should be fine, why would you need to run a video signal thru it? to use with blu-ray or hd-dvd for dts-hd, dolby truehd ect ect. i actually have both optic inputs used and could really use a 3rd one, toslink to coaxial converter is next for me.

when you get one of these you don't need a receiver anymore. now you are limited to how many inputs are available on the tv.

cool, I didn't realize you could ditch the receiver, that would be really nice. Do the newer sound techs need a HDMI cable or something? Otherwise a bunch of optical/coax inputs should be good enough to feed all the audio signals to the YSP. Otherwise you would need a HDMI cable from DVD to receiver, and then one from receiver to TV. If the YSP doesn't have a lossy pass-thru that wouldn't be a problem (HDMI cables are cheap now).

Just read the entire thread. The most important issue for me is whether or not the 1000 or 1100 are shielded for use with a CRT. I know that the original YSP 1 wasn't.

Does anyone know?

Thanks

Bump.

I tried getting trough to Yamaha couldn't stay in the hold mode too long. Does anyone know if the 1000 or 1100 are shielded?

Thanks

Bump.

I tried getting trough to Yamaha couldn't stay in the hold mode too long. Does anyone know if the 1000 or 1100 are shielded?

Thanks


Yamaha UK Site Specs (http://www.yamaha-uk.com/sound_projectors/index.cfm?product_id=129&specification=1)

It list the speakers as shielded.

Small dia. Speakers
4 cm cone magnetic shielding type × 40

Woofers
10 cm cone magnetic shielding type × 2

Heard from my dealer today. The YSP 1000's are shielded. Yamaha doesn't recommend putting it on a CRT because of its size.

looks like yamaha is bringing out a improved ysp-1000.


Digital Sound Projectors: The latest is the $1,699-suggested YSP-1100, replacing the same-price YSP-1000 and adding larger sweet spot, RS-232 port, and IR in/out. It also features component-video input and output.

Each Sound Projector contains multiple tiny drivers, each driven by its own dedicated digital amplifier to create focused “beams” of sound to produce direct and reflected sound waves that deliver multichannel surround effects as well as stereo and three-channel sound.

The Projectors incorporate decoders for Dolby Digital, DTS, Dolby Pro Logic II and DTS Neo:6 surround sound formats, and they include three CINEMA DSP surround settings for listening to music, movies, or sports. A MyBeam mode lets users focus sound to a specific seating position to avoid disturbing others.

The YSP-1100 also incorporates an improved version of an automated system calibration to adjust the sound beams for best effect. Automated set-up takes less than three minutes to analyze and compensate for room acoustics and find the best beam angle by channel at the listening position.

Included Yamaha Parametric Room Acoustic Optimizer (YPAO) technology equalizes response to counter the deleterious effects of a particular room’s acoustics.

Another model in the series is the $899-suggested YSP-800.

What about Dolby TrueHD for those of us with a HD DVD Player.

What about Dolby TrueHD for those of us with a HD DVD Player. wait and see but i doubt it since nothing has been said about hdmi inputs.

I've always liked this product (I actually started this thread). I never seriously thought about buying one, though. Today, I was browsing Ultimate Electronics and saw the YSP-1 for a really, really low price so I had to pick it up. (We can't post prices here, but let's just say it was cheaper than an Xbox 360).

I just unboxed and will set it up next. Not sure if I'm going to keep it or not—I could sell it on eBay for a profit—but it is a slick-looking piece of consumer electronics.

BTW, is the grille removable on the YSP-1?

What about Dolby TrueHD for those of us with a HD DVD Player.

It does not look good. No mention of HDMI 1.1 or 1.3 or multi-channel analog inputs.

DJ-V

can you PM details on your purchase

thanks Kevin

Hi all,

Will the sound waves from the YSP-1000 unit bounce off glass windows effectively? I have a square room (22 ft sides with 10 ft ceiling) where one of the walls is purely glass.

Thanks,
Alex

Hi all again,

This is a continuation of the message that I posted yesterday and located just above this present message.

Here's a link to the layout of my condo (I haven't posted enough to insert a picture...so please replace the brackets as required..sorry)

i99[dot]photobucket[dot]com[slash]albums[slash]l301[slash]koopas78[slash]CondoLayout.gif


The 20 ft x 20 ft living room is depicted as the top room. The all-glass window wall is shown as the "upper most" wall.

I am trying to determine where I could place the YSP-1000 unit.

The preferred location would be against the right wall, where my TV and the YSP would be hung. However, due to the large opening in the "lower" wall, I am fearing that the right channel beam would get lost in the hallway.

The second choice would be as shown against the wall towards the upper left corner, but as far away from the glass wall possible in an attempt to center the unit. This may not be so desirable because I would be close to the glass wall. Also, the left rear surround beam may get lost in the hallway, unless I can adjust it so that it bounces off early before the wall opening. The left channel beam should bounce off before the wall opening so that should be ok.

The third choice would be in the upper right corner and without the benefit of the 5-beam mode, this would be the least desirable alternative.

In all three cases, I am counting on the beams being able to reflect off the glass wall.

I'd appreciate your input. Because space is tight, I am really attempting to reduce the speaker/wire clutter by integrating the YSP unit.

Thanks for your help, and sorry again for the crappy link to the picture.

Alex

I purchased the YSP1000 2 weeks ago. Although I like the idea behind the system I am having some second thoughts on my purchase. At times, I feel that the sound is coming from below my TV (this is where I placed the YSP-close to the ground) underneath my Hitachi Cineform 50VS10. My TV speakers volume is set to zero. Is this common or are my settings off? Thanks.

Hi all,

Will the sound waves from the YSP-1000 unit bounce off glass windows effectively? I have a square room (22 ft sides with 10 ft ceiling) where one of the walls is purely glass.

Thanks,
Alex

Yes.

This has also been discussed earlier in this thread as well.

At times, I feel that the sound is coming from below my TV (this is where I placed the YSP-close to the ground) underneath my Hitachi Cineform 50VS10.
I found it preferable to put my YSP-1 just above my display rather than below it. Depending on your layout, when down low the sound may hit furniture/people on its way to the walls.

I am considering buying the ysp-1000. My room setup only has 3 walls. The room is open oposite where the ysp-1000 would be. The guy I've talked to at my local av store says it will still work fine with only 3 walls. Has anyone tried it in this configuration?

Also, how does it perform with music?

ysp-1100 at cedia

http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/YamahaYSP1100.php

anyone know what connectors on the new ysp-1100 and -900?

I just want to say that having heard the YSP at CEDIA, I can really say that just about *any* pair of bookshelf speakers and a stereo amp for $500-$750 would just kill it. I didn't hear much surround effect and the sound was mediocre at best. Interesting *idea*, but the fidelity is below midfi and would probably qualify as "upper low-fi". I have no idea what they cost, it didn't matter after I heard it.

HOLY CRAP!!! I just saw what they want for that. You've *got* to be kidding me.

I am using an old Pioneer Elite VSX-07T receiver with a pair of bookshelf speakers. My sound is great but I can't play movies at night since I am in a townhome. I like the feature of the YSPs that play a single beam for nighttime listening. That is probably the first bad review I have seen of the 1000/1100.

I think it's getting bonuses for being a different category of product and sounding better than one might imagine. I'd never own that over a pair of good bookshelf speakers and an amp, let alone what you could do with $1700. I figured it was maybe $600 max. I probably knew it was that pricey at one time, but completely forgot. I left shaking my head. I really didn't hear a natural sound field, it all sounded obviously fake to me and not nearly anywhere close to the real thing.

Although it's a more expensive option, you could add a Sonos system to your audio as your music player and then for $500 more, add a ZP100 to the back and use your Sonos source module to broadcast to the back of the room and power rear speakers, all at CD quality with no dropouts. And it's a one time setup, you just tell the rear Sonos module to tap into the other module's line in source and then leave it that way. Never have to switch it again and you have wireless rears with 50W/ch running them. I assume that not having the ability to run wires for the rears is the only reason someone would buy one of these YSP thingies.

I mean, look, you don't get a sub with that thing, right? So let's talk equal stuff. Five PSB Alpha series speakers for about $700, a Sherwood receiver for $300, a 2-zone Sonos system for $1200. Okay, you're at $2200 *but* you've got *real* surround, better quality (IMO) and a kickass music server. Is it as adorable? No. But getting one of these things, to me, seems like giving up.

I think something you're forgetting is many people A) don't want 5-7 speakers, B) don't have room for 5-7 speakers C) don't have a good setup for rear surround D) cant blast movies/music like they are the an AMC theater - they have neighbors on the other side of the wall(s).

Much less the lower models are only $600 not $1200, and are speakers AND a receiver. Some people don't have room for 4 boxes in their entertainment centers. Some people don't WANT 10 units just to listen to a movie or some music.

Not really. I'm saying that attach just about any pair of speakers to the wall, add in a Sherbourn 2/75 amp to run them or a Sonos box, add in sub if you like, same price, much better performance. Just as small.

Like I said, it's like giving up. Or perhaps "settling". Better than the TV speakers though, I'll give it that.

What about Dolby TrueHD for those of us with a HD DVD Player.

You have *got* to be kidding me!

This is why I feel compelled to recount my audition (I didn't stay for more than about 15 seconds til I'd heard enough). This is not a midfi device, let alone high-end. I can't imagine it doing music in stereo, let alone the amount of damage it does to multi-channel. But to worry about 24/96 digital multi-channel? That would be like putting Pirellis on a Pinto. At best. Actually, the Pirellis would help the Pinto a lot more.

Sorry to rain on everyone's parade, but what the heck is going on here? :confused:

John, it's a lifestyle product, not a hi-fi product. It's a Bose-like product. I don't see it being marketed or bought as anything but. Sure, you can get better sound for cheaper, but I don't see anyone arguing with you on that. However, it's an excellent one-box solution that sits on your wall underneath or above the TV (good WAF) that handles everything but DVD playback and low frequency, and all that requires is plugging in a DVD player and a subwoofer. I definately agree about your comments on Dolby TrueHD, however.

Also, before I get jumped on here, I'm not comparing the sound quality to Bose (I haven't auditioned a YSP), just the product's category and goals.

There's a lot of people here looking for an easy simple solution to adequate multichannel HT to mate with their new HDTV (most likely a plasma or LCD, given the aesthetics of the product).

WAF!!!!!! WAF!!!!!! thank you!!!

WAF!!!!!! WAF!!!!!! thank you!!!

Dude, grow a set or get a divorce attorney or something! Life is too short!

John, it's a lifestyle product, not a hi-fi product. It's a Bose-like product. I don't see it being marketed or bought as anything but. Sure, you can get better sound for cheaper, but I don't see anyone arguing with you on that. However, it's an excellent one-box solution that sits on your wall underneath or above the TV (good WAF) that handles everything but DVD playback and low frequency, and all that requires is plugging in a DVD player and a subwoofer. I definately agree about your comments on Dolby TrueHD, however.).

Yeah, see that's what made me go :eek:

Sometimes these things take on a life of their own and people get carried away and lose perspective. I see the point, but it is most definitely a lifestyle product. A problem solver even, but it's not a home theater or really even close, but I get the distinct feeling that people are imagining it as such. Might be better than some HTIBs, but certainly not all of them. Kinda of like a magic trick. You go "wow, he disappeared", but at some point, you have remember that he didn't really.

I have a YSP-800 in the bedroom. IMO it sounds a whole lot better than any HTIB provided you have an appropriate room configuration (evenly spaced walls) for the sound beams to reflect on. My decision to pair this with my plasma was more of convenience and aesthetics. That was my goal and i'm happy with its performance. It's great for watching tv shows especially in the bedroom.

Dude, grow a set or get a divorce attorney or something! Life is too short!


why are you still in this thread? I don't care that you have 20 components worth $50,000 for your home theater. If you want to sit by yourself in your glorious home theater with the sound cranked up to 25 and takes notes of every pin you hear drop in all 10 speakers fine. People looking to buy products like the YSP aren't trying to accomplish the same thing as you. ok, anyone else care to share some useful information?

why are you still in this thread?

Because I like busting your balls :)

I don't care that you have 20 components worth $50,000 for your home theater. If you want to sit by yourself in your glorious home theater with the sound cranked up to 25 and takes notes of every pin you hear drop in all 10 speakers fine.

Ummm, no. I have about a $7500 5.1 theater (including PJ, 110" screen, DVD, receiver, subwoofer) and it's very clean, organized, nice looking and kicks butt (wall mount speakers even). So, it's about the cost of one of those YSP thingies and a 60" plasma. But I could have done it easily for much less and it would be mostly as good.

Because I like busting your balls :)




LMAO well you're doing a good job!!!

anyone know what connectors on the new ysp-1100 and -900?

I just receive a YSP-1100. Its connections are identical to the 1000 as far as I can tell. Sounds good in my 16x18 room. I did not have a 1000 or 800 seriews, so can't comment on the improvements, but it does have some base and seams to fill most all the room. I think a subwoofer is still needed for serious listening, however.

I just receive a YSP-1100. Its connections are identical to the 1000 as far as I can tell. Sounds good in my 16x18 room. I did not have a 1000 or 800 seriews, so can't comment on the improvements, but it does have some base and seams to fill most all the room. I think a subwoofer is still needed for serious listening, however.


Where did you get it? Didn't know they were out already.

Where did you get it? Didn't know they were out already.

I was browsing the usual on-line sites last Sunday and ******* said it was in stock. It now shows back ordered there.

I was a bit worried that there was an error and either the unit would be delayed or a 1000 model would show up, but it is a 1100 fresh from the factory as far as I can tell.

A quick functional 1000/1100 comparison, don't know if these are new:

The remote looks the same except some buttons have a slightly different layout or function. It now has a TV/YSP mode switch. It also has a my beam mic, so you can tell the YSP to beam the sound to you and the YSP finds you via the mic in the remote.

The connection diagrams are the same, but the notional direct video connections from devices to the monitor has been removed from the overview diagram.

The auto set up diagrams are a little different but I did not notice any difference in function.

Spec sheet says woofers are 11 cm, was 10 cm. It does sound like it has more base than the 1000 I listened to in BB, but that can be influenced by room layout.

no hdmi correct?

no hdmi correct?


Correct, no stinking HDMI. :(

Why, so you can get Dolby TruHD lossless? :D

I just bought the ysp-800 yesterday. What are the differences between it and the 1100?

Folks,

I just took delivery of a YSP-1100 on Monday. Overall, I like it. It is a good complement to my 50 inch Panny plasma. It works pretty well in my acoustically bright living room. As my first 5.1 system, I don't have much to compare it with. That said, my wife and I are happy with the purchase and value not having the extra wires for surround sound speakers.

I have two issues:

1) Does anyone know where to acquire an AM/FM radio controllable via a remote control to plug into it? I don't need satellite radio as my HD-TiVo offers XM. We want to be able to receive the local NPR affiliate and classical station.

2) Is there a furniture vendor that makes stands that are good for both plasma and the YSP?

Andrew

I just bought the ysp-800 yesterday. What are the differences between it and the 1100?

The 1100 is bigger, has more power and speakers, bigger woofers, bigger sound, lot more base, a lot more money. The algorith is improved which provides a bigger sweet spot. The 1100 has a two port component video switcher which I'm not sure the 800 has.

Folks,

2) Is there a furniture vendor that makes stands that are good for both plasma and the YSP?



Don't know about furniture but I hung both my plasma and ysp on the wall, nice.

Folks,


2) Is there a furniture vendor that makes stands that are good for both plasma and the YSP?

Andrew

I did see on the Yamaha Website in the UK some Yamaha designed furniture with the YSP units in mind. They also seem to be carrying the YSP 900 and the 800 is now on clearance in Europe it seems. Anyone have any idea when the US can expect the 900's in? I tried contacting Yamaha themselves but they claim the 800 is here to stay for now and they aren't expecting to replace it soon. I find this hard to belive if they are selling the 900 in other parts of the world. Thoughts?

Don't know about furniture but I hung both my plasma and ysp on the wall, nice.


The best company I have found is one manufacturer named Bello.
Here is a url for one of their distributors .

http://www.racksandstands.com/Bello-l6-c3-A45%7E87.html

The 1100 is bigger, has more power and speakers, bigger woofers, bigger sound, lot more base, a lot more money. The algorith is improved which provides a bigger sweet spot. The 1100 has a two port component video switcher which I'm not sure the 800 has.

I'm interested in using the 1100 with an A/V receiver as I want to use HDMI & video upconversion for a projector, and multiple inputs for audio and video, etc..

Question: Looking at the setup in the manual, there's an output for the subwoofer (so the Intellibeam can match the sub with the rest of the "speakers"?). Will the digital optical output of the typical A/V receiver pass through the subwoofer signal to the YSP-1100? I'll see if I can find the answer in a receiver's manual, but I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone knew right off.

Thanks,

Harry

Heya --

I'm planning on overhauling my current outdated AV system and the YSP1100 has really caught my eye because 1) I hate installing all the satellite speakers and 2) I have never had a really good surround soundstage, even though I've spent a bunch of money and time in five apartments and houses.

I was looking at the Sony5200ES because I read that it includes a Faroudja upscaler and thought it might help make SD images from Cable, DVD and Wii look better. However, I've read that the 1100 doubles as a receiver, so I'm wondering how I'm going to connect everything to my monitor for easy and high-quality viewing. I amposting my planned system below and hoping to get verification that the 1100 would not end up being a nuisance.

Sony XBR3 LCD
YSP1100
HD Cable Box (HDMI)
Sony DVD (Component)
PS3 (HDMI)
Xbox360 (Component or VGA if they get the Sony LCD thing sorted)
Wii (Component)
Apple Mini (VGA)

I'm concerned that without a dedicated receiver like the 5200 I won't have enough inputs to accomodate everything. I'm also worried a bit about how all these different cords are going to look snaking up my wall to the 1100 and LCD.

Thoughts?

Heya --

I'm concerned that without a dedicated receiver like the 5200 I won't have enough inputs to accomodate everything. I'm also worried a bit about how all these different cords are going to look snaking up my wall to the 1100 and LCD.

Thoughts?

The YSP is not going to easily handle that many components without help. You would not run this much video through the YSP. You need some kind of video switcher or selector function either as a separate component or built into a receiver. like the one you are thinking about.

The YSP switches between two video components only, if that helps you at all. You cannot do composit and component simultaneously.

The YSP can handle three optical/coax interfaces and a couple stereo signals, but it looks like you have more than that.

I think you can get switchers without the receiver function that will convert all the video to HDMI and audio to one kind of interface, so you could run two wires from the switcher, one to the display and one to the YSP. The dozens of other components conect to the switch.

Price-function comparison between switcher with or without receiver and speakers is up to you.

I have the YSP mounted on the wall just under my flat panel, the wires goig through the wall so I see nothing but display and speaker. Impresses the girls, they think its magic :-)

Question: Looking at the setup in the manual, there's an output for the subwoofer (so the Intellibeam can match the sub with the rest of the "speakers"?). Will the digital optical output of the typical A/V receiver pass through the subwoofer signal to the YSP-1100? I'll see if I can find the answer in a receiver's manual, but I just thought I'd ask to see if anyone knew right off.

Thanks,

Harry

The YSP will decode the optical/coax digital input into 5.1 channels and output the decoded sub/LFE to a powered subwoofer. The unit set up function will automatically set the proper levels, but some think the sub is set a little high. Let setup run and then turn down the sub volume just a bit. You can also set all the levels manually, but I found in my room the automatic seting matches the avia calibration pretty much right on except for the sub.

For non 5.1, the YSP can be set to send all audio less than a configurable frequency to the sub output, it works just like most other receivers.

The YSP will decode the optical/coax digital input into 5.1 channels and output the decoded sub/LFE to a powered subwoofer. The unit set up function will automatically set the proper levels, but some think the sub is set a little high. Let setup run and then turn down the sub volume just a bit. You can also set all the levels manually, but I found in my room the automatic seting matches the avia calibration pretty much right on except for the sub.

For non 5.1, the YSP can be set to send all audio less than a configurable frequency to the sub output, it works just like most other receivers.

Thanks! That's what I thought.

Just curious...is the "depth" of the "sweet spot" enough that the surround effect would work with two rows of theater chairs? (calibrated between the two rows' listening positions, for example?) I'm thinking of retrofitting a bonus room above the garage rather than building a whole new (read "pricey"!) dedicated HT room that I had previously planned...the YSP would (obviously) make the job easier to accomplish if it would work.

Harry

Thanks! That's what I thought.

Just curious...is the "depth" of the "sweet spot" enough that the surround effect would work with two rows of theater chairs? (calibrated between the two rows' listening positions, for example?) I'm thinking of retrofitting a bonus room above the garage rather than building a whole new (read "pricey"!) dedicated HT room that I had previously planned...the YSP would (obviously) make the job easier to accomplish if it would work.

Harry

You know, as with any speakers, the sound is so subjective I'd hate to set your expectations. If at all possible you should audition one in a closed room. I don't think you'll find it sounding good in an open BB environment. For a bonus room where the spouse objects to separate speakers, it is a great solution.

If you have never spent time with a well set up $4000+ audio system, you would be impressed. Combined with an HSU ST2 sub or equivalent, the YSP 1100 makes real nice home theater, not as good at music, but still nice. You don't have as much room layout flexibility as separates, however, and the surround effects are not as distinctive as you would get with separate drivers, but its no where near flat either.

That said, I think the sweet spot in my 16x18 room is about the width of a typical couch and maybe as deep, but you hear some surround effect and good sound just about anywhere in the room. It is not a steep drop off. With my setup you don't really hear rear channel test tones from the rear, they seem to originate off to the side and a little toward the front, but live the rear appears to be there… magic or illusion perhaps. I have a bay window on the left and the rear effect on that side is a tad weaker.

A/V noob here so anyone one that takes the time to answer any of my questions is very very much appreciated.

I bought my first house and got my first real job and am wanting to put some money into a nice (nice to me anyway) setup for my living room while keeping stuff under $2k. I already purchased an Olevia 537H and plan on getting an Oppo 970. For the sound system I was intrigued at the benefits of the YSP line. After the first two purchases I have about $1000 to spend

My living room is on the smaller side, (not sure on exact dimensions), has a ceiling that's 9', and the only area where the walls are open are one corner in the back where it goes into a hallway. I also want to avoid trying to run wire through my walls and having speakers set up around the room since like it's already not too spacious. Not to mention that my wife would very much prefer to have one unit under/above the TV.

Once again anyone that answer my questions will surely get good kharma coming there way :)

1) My sofa and loveseat are up against two of the walls and my recliner is kinda in the middle of the room. Will people sitting in the sofa or loveseat still get the benefits of the system or do you need to be in the middle of the room in the sweet spot.

2) Would these things hook up nicely olevia/oppo/YSP (and eventually a Satellite TV box) or would I need some adapters and such.

3) What exactly is the difference between the YSP 1100 and YSP 1000. Is it a difference in power and sound quality (which would matter to me) or is it in things like ajustablility and connection types (which wouldn't matter much to me).

4) What's the real difference between a YSP 800 and YSP-1? The YSP-1 has more power right? They're currently about the same price. If i decide to spend a little less money then the YSP 1000 (and put it towards a subwoofer) then which would be the better buy YSP 800 or YSP-1?

5) Are there any decent subwoofers available in the $250 range? If not how much does one need to spend to get something decent.

1) My sofa and loveseat are up against two of the walls and my recliner is kinda in the middle of the room. Will people sitting in the sofa or loveseat still get the benefits of the system or do you need to be in the middle of the room in the sweet spot.

Sofas/loveseats up against a reflecting wall diminishes the YSP overall effect for someone sitting in the sweet spot (it will absorb the reflected signal). The sweet spot is wherever in the room you place the microphone during calibration and will cover about the size of a sofa. Sitting directly in front and at least 6 feet from the back wall is probably most effective. The sound is good everywhere in the room, you just won't hear as much of the surround effects when not in the sweet spot. You also don't get overpowered by a separate when sitting out of the sweet spot. All surround systems have a sweet spot.


3) What exactly is the difference between the YSP 1100 and YSP 1000. Is it a difference in power and sound quality (which would matter to me) or is it in things like ajustablility and connection types (which wouldn't matter much to me).

The 1100 is more refined, has a better projection algorithm, better calibration, has slightly larger woofers, larger sweet spot. Noticeably better sound quality. Connections are identical


5) Are there any decent subwoofers available in the $250 range? If not how much does one need to spend to get something decent.

You may get better advice in the sub-woofer section on the best sub for $250. Even a sub $200 sub will make the YSP sound better. I use a $360 HSU STF-2 and it complements well. Consider a used sub if you can't afford a new one at this time.

IMHO the 1100 or 1000 sounds much better than a 800 or YSP-1.

ColdCase, Thanks for the response. Yeah I've decided against the YSP-800 since it's for my living room. Seems from most peoples posts that it works better as a bedroom unit.

Right now i'm leaning towards the YSP-1000 so I have more money for a better sub. I can imagine though that when it comes time to actually buy the thing I'll go for the gusto and just get the 1100. I'll just have to eat nothing but pork n' beans for dinner for a month or so :D

Thanks for the suggestion on the Hsu sub...i'll look into it. You're happy with yours? Does it has enough "ummph" for your liking?

Hello all! I had a few questions and was wondering if you guys might be able to give me some advice regarding my setup.

Recently the both the Yamaha YSP-1100SL & YSP-1000SL Digital Sound Projectors have caught my eye. I just got a new TV. A Sony 46 inch Bravia XBR2. Here is a picture of my current setup:

http://static.flickr.com/100/311491920_8834d9436d.jpg

I was thinking of using the YSP-1100SL speakers in my setup. I am going to get an additional shelving bridge right above the TV and that's where I plan on putting the unit.

So basically what I'm asking is what type of receiver/sub if even necessary would be best used for this combination? Do you think the sound will travel fairly well with this type of setup? The room is fairly small. Any owners or people well versed in this, any feedback would be appreciated!

If I was to get a receiver, this is the one I was thinking about:

Yamaha RX-V2700 (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/products/productdetail.html?CNTID=451511&VNM=WORKING) <--Click this Link.

I'm very n00b to audio/video but I'm hoping to learn more. Thanks again!

You don't need a receiver if the YSP has enough of the right audio inputs to match your sources. A sub is optional, but to my ears desirable. For sound travel, what matters is the rest of the room (not in the picture): shape of walls and openings, where obstructions/baffles are, where you'll sit. Download the YSP manual, look at the sound travel arrows in it, match them up to your room and see if the sound can get from the speakers to your sitting position.

thoth: Thank you for the reply!

If anyone knows, would a receiver be helpful at all? Or should I just go the speaker/sub route.

thoth: Thank you for the reply!

If anyone knows, would a receiver be helpful at all? Or should I just go the speaker/sub route.

The only thing a receiver would help a YSP with is a source of FM or AM radio and what thoth said: If the YSP does not have enough audio inputs, a receiver may be able to switch in more (but not all receivers do this).... but a audio switcher would do a beter job at this.

The YSP has amplifiers built in and you cannot (should not) use the external amplification except for a powered subwoofer. The YSP does not have speaker level inputs.

Thanks for the suggestion on the Hsu sub...i'll look into it. You're happy with yours? Does it has enough "ummph" for your liking?

When the polar express train arrives, the whole house shakes, the next door neigbor's alarm goes off :-). Yes it has sufficient ummph for me and I am happy with it. The only problem I've had is that the auto turn on is not sensitive enough for low sub content programming. I could fiddle with the audio adjustments but I just leave it on all the time.

There are other subs in this price range that may give you more base extension, but I don't think here is one with as smooth a response.

Just bought the YSP-1100. My TV won't arrive till january and I haven't bought the oppo 970 yet though so i guess it'll have to be set up using my 15 year old 21" TV and old dvd player.

I have a Yamaha YSP-1 and a 50 Inch Panny Plasma. LOVE the YSP-1, but am thinking about making the jump to HD DVD. Is there noticeable sound improvement between standard dvd and either of these lossless sound formats on the Yamaha?

Thanks

I have a Yamaha YSP-1 and a 50 Inch Panny Plasma. LOVE the YSP-1, but am thinking about making the jump to HD DVD. Is there noticeable sound improvement between standard dvd and either of these lossless sound formats on the Yamaha?

Thanks

I have a YSP-1100, 50in plasma, and an XA1.

The YSP has optical or digital coax inputs and the optical or digital coax is not lossless. So the sound difference from a good SD DVD and HD DVD is not noticeable to me. If we could feed the 5.1 discrete inputs from the player to the YSP, or use HDMI 1.3, (both are "lossless") there could be a difference. Subjective, of course.

Thanks for the info Coldcase!

Any long time users have anything to contribute as to long term usage problems or positives from the YSPs?

Any long time users have anything to contribute as to long term usage problems or positives from the YSPs?
My YSP-1 continues to function great, no problems at all. Still very happy with it.

My YSP-1 continues to function great, no problems at all. Still very happy with it.

Thanks for the input thoth. Considering buying the YSP-1100 after the new year. :D

Thanks for the input thoth. Considering buying the YSP-1100 after the new year. :D

4 Month old YSP-1100 with no audio problems, component video switch does not appear to work.

Awesome. Extremely "wife friendly". Would recommend without reservation.

with multiple audio inputs, can you switch using a Harmony remote?

Absolutely. This is exactly what I do.

with multiple audio inputs, can you switch using a Harmony remote?

Yes, like pstonge says. You can switch inputs between DVD, AUX, TV/STB and VCR on the harmony. No need to learn remote codes as they are build into the Harmony data base.

I think the only input you can't select is TV/STB digital vs TV/STB analog. The YSP selects the digital signal if its present.

excellent!

as far as you know, do any of the forum sponsors carry the 1100? anyone carry the furniture?

Greetings:

My wife would prefer being able to control volume/mute from the Comcast HD-DVR remote. I tried all the Yamaha receiver/speaker codes, and none work.

Has anyone figured this out?

Thanks,

-d-

I am purchasing a Panasonic plasma with 2 HDMI inputs. I am also considering purchasing a YSP-1100. I recognize that the YSP does not have HDMI video. My question for YSP owners is this: Is is possible to run HDMI video from a DVD player or receiver and send only the audio to the YSP or is it necessary to send all signals, audio and video, through the YSP first? Thanks in advance for your help.

Is is possible to run HDMI video from a DVD player or receiver and send only the audio to the YSP or is it necessary to send all signals, audio and video, through the YSP first? Thanks in advance for your help.

Audio and Video are run independently in most home theater set ups. I connect the DVD player digital audio output to the YSP digital audio input, and run the DVD HDMI out to the display's HDMI input.

The plasma has a bit of a delay in video processing, so you need to add a corresponding amount of delay to your YSP set up in order to lip sync.

Audio and Video are run independently in most home theater set ups. I connect the DVD player digital audio output to the YSP digital audio input, and run the DVD HDMI out to the display's HDMI input.

The plasma has a bit of a delay in video processing, so you need to add a corresponding amount of delay to your YSP set up in order to lip sync.


Cold Case: Thanks for the quick reply. Now for another novice question. How do you add delay to the YSP and how do you know how much to add?

Cold Case: Thanks for the quick reply. Now for another novice question. How do you add delay to the YSP and how do you know how much to add?

The manual provides pretty clear instruction, look in the sound menu (audio delay). It has a 0 to 160 ms range for lip sync correction. I think its a trial and error thing... then once you get it perfectly lip synced, you'll discover it can vary from source to source. 40ms corresponds to one frame, 120ms is three.

If your lip sync is not off don't touch it. If it is start with 40 ms. Some of the calibration DVDs (like Avia) include tools to help.

.......My wife would prefer being able to control volume/mute from the Comcast HD-DVR remote. I tried all the Yamaha receiver/speaker codes, and none work.........I am considering purchasing the Yamaha and this is a concern of mine. In another forum I follow, a guy has Dish satellite service and he has this same problem. It would be aggravating having to use the Yamaha remote for volume only.

I called Yamaha looking for help and was told the issue is in the hands of the whatever company manufactures your remote. The CSR said the problem is a common one as very few remote manufacturers are including the Yamaha in their list of codes.

One more thing you might try: I am a DirecTV customer and they offer the following advice....if you try all DirecTV's Yamaha codes and none work, they describe a procedure where the system searches through ALL the codes looking for a match. Probably won't work; but, its worth a try.

This little issue is causing me pause in ordering the Yamaha.

The manual provides pretty clear instruction, look in the sound menu (audio delay). It has a 0 to 160 ms range for lip sync correction. I think its a trial and error thing... then once you get it perfectly lip synced, you'll discover it can vary from source to source. 40ms corresponds to one frame, 120ms is three.

If your lip sync is not off don't touch it. If it is start with 40 ms. Some of the calibration DVDs (like Avia) include tools to help.

Thanks again for the advice. I have been following the forums here and have gained a lot of good information. I appreciate your help.

One more thing you might try: I am a DirecTV customer and they offer the following advice....if you try all DirecTV's Yamaha codes and none work, they describe a procedure where the system searches through ALL the codes looking for a match. Probably won't work; but, its worth a try.

I tried this but couldn't get it to work. I ended up buying a Harmony remote, and it knew just about every code for all the devices I own, and the couple it didn't I could easily teach it.

I just receive a YSP-1100. Its connections are identical to the 1000 as far as I can tell. Sounds good in my 16x18 room. I did not have a 1000 or 800 seriews, so can't comment on the improvements, but it does have some base and seams to fill most all the room. I think a subwoofer is still needed for serious listening, however.

The YSP-1000 benefits greatly with the addition of a subwoofer....makes a huge difference. Bedroom system...14X16 open ended.
SVS sub added
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/4236/kshepbedroomsvsjq6.jpg
YSP-1000
http://img98.imageshack.us/img98/9061/kshepsalamanderib4.jpg
Salamander riser added
http://img365.imageshack.us/img365/5435/kshepriserei4.jpg
Since the cabling is routed down from the rear of the YSP I stained a piece of 1x6 red oak flooring and placed it underneath the YSP to gain some height....as some of the cables I am using are kinda stiff and have canare terminations. Also made a cutout in the board to match the output section of the YSP.

Source list / SA cable box, SCAD-DVD-CD player, XBox and Tosh HD-DVD. All sound great ... have not experimented w/macroing remotes as this system is used sparingly.

I am seriously considering getting this one due to the "wife" factor, but I have a couple questions:

1. Does it require an external amp or receiver?
2. I plan on connecting a DVR, Sony Blu-ray player, and a PS3 to it, then connect it to the HDTV. How should I go about doing this?

1. Does it require an external amp or receiver?
Nope.
2. I plan on connecting a DVR, Sony Blu-ray player, and a PS3 to it, then connect it to the HDTV. How should I go about doing this?
If your TV has a digital audio output, then you want to connect your devices to the TV, and the TV's audio out to the YSP. Otherwise you make video connections from the devices to the TV, and audio connections from the devices to the YSP. The only connection from the YSP to the TV is video for the YSP's setup menu.

.......I ended up buying a Harmony remote, and it knew just about every code for all the devices I own, and the couple it didn't I could easily teach it.Good info. Which model did you get?

Greetings:

My wife would prefer being able to control volume/mute from the Comcast HD-DVR remote. I tried all the Yamaha receiver/speaker codes, and none work.

Has anyone figured this out?

Thanks,

-d-
Unfortunately, the Comcast HD-DVR remotes are hard coded to associate the volume with the TV. Those buttons cannot be associated with any other sound system devices.

EDIT & CORRECTION: It turns out that it IS possible to unlock the volume controls for the AUX button and assign it to another device such as a receiver:

http://www.comcast.com/MediaLibrary/1/2/CM/VanityURL/documents/comcast_dvr_remote_manual.pdf

I'm still working on completing my new HT.

To date, I have hung a 46 inch Sony LCD (KDL-46v2500) on my living room wall using a full articulating arm from Sanus (great!).

I finally got the YSP1100 up and running last weekend and now need to run all the wires through my wall...COLD CASE - ANY PICTURES OR SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE TO RUN THE WIRES FOR THE YAMAHA? WHAT CABLES DID YOU USE TO KEEP THE JACKS FROM SHOWING? CURIOUS ON HOW/WHERE YOU RAN THE CABLES.

Folks are right, an external powered sub is needed for full SS effect, I thought I could get by without one, but I just ordered the HSU VTF-1 powered sub, should fit nicely under an end table.

Just a note regarding furniture, I found a great TV stand at Crate and Barrell, about $900, made out of Mangowood and is called the Basque collection...works great, fits my HD converter, I added a fan to the rear to suck out the warm air too.

Since I only use for movies, my last step will be to add BluRay or HDDVD, but will wait to see which format the masses will end up with.

Cheers!

John

I'm thinking of buying the YSP-800 for a tiny bedroom...is 8x8 cutting it too close? Also, does the unit have to be centerered in front of the display, or can you get acceptable sound if it is offset to the left or right?

Thanks,

Bootz

I just found a YSP-1 open box deal (no damage with original factory warrenty) at a local Tweeter. Bought it for $800. I went in looking at a ZVOX all-in-one system, but was much more impressed with the way the Yamaha sounded. I also liked the Polk Surroundbar. I was going to pull the trigger on the YSP-800 when the guy found the YSP-1.

So far it sounds very good. It is replacing a 5.1 Polk system so I will take some getting used to, but so far (with no calibration) it should do the job nicely.

ANY PICTURES OR SUGGESTIONS ON WHERE TO RUN THE WIRES FOR THE YAMAHA? WHAT CABLES DID YOU USE TO KEEP THE JACKS FROM SHOWING? CURIOUS ON HOW/WHERE YOU RAN THE CABLES.

My YSP is hanging on the wall at the bottom edge of a 50 inch flat panel. The panel is wider than the YSP. If you mount the YSP above the panel, then its cables will hang down, out of sight behind the panel. The YSP slides into its wall mount side to side, so connecting the cables and sliding it into the mount should work.

I used monoprice cables. I am using all the YSP inputs, so cabling is a tight fit, especially the component video. The connectors are recessed above the lower edge of the YSP so if the cables are flexible enough they will bend to the side hidden behind the unit and then routed to one edge and then up out of sight behind the display, secured with tie wraps. Quality component video cables are generally not that flexible, but the audio cables were no problem.

If I were to do it again I'd think about cables with low profile right angle connectors, but the YSP connectors are so close together that it may not work anyway. Connectors are close together so thin fingers or small nose plyers are a must if you hook up while the YSP is hanging on the wall. There is not enough room between the wall mount and YSP to route cables directly up behind the unit without pinching. An alternative is to punch a hole in the wall directly behind the YSP connector pannel. It would be visible only from below.

I don't have pictures. I've been troubleshooting a component connection so the cables at the moment are not out of sight.

My YSP is hanging on the wall at the bottom edge of a 50 inch flat panel. The panel is wider than the YSP. If you mount the YSP above the panel, then its cables will hang down, out of sight behind the panel. The YSP slides into its wall mount side to side, so connecting the cables and sliding it into the mount should work.

I used monoprice cables. I am using all the YSP inputs, so cabling is a tight fit, especially the component video. The connectors are recessed above the lower edge of the YSP so if the cables are flexible enough they will bend to the side hidden behind the unit and then routed to one edge and then up out of sight behind the display, secured with tie wraps. Quality component video cables are generally not that flexible, but the audio cables were no problem.

If I were to do it again I'd think about cables with low profile right angle connectors, but the YSP connectors are so close together that it may not work anyway. Connectors are close together so thin fingers or small nose plyers are a must if you hook up while the YSP is hanging on the wall. There is not enough room between the wall mount and YSP to route cables directly up behind the unit without pinching. An alternative is to punch a hole in the wall directly behind the YSP connector pannel. It would be visible only from below.

I don't have pictures. I've been troubleshooting a component connection so the cables at the moment are not out of sight.

Cold Case, Thanks for the response.... I guess what I am looking for is the part numbers of the cable you used on Monoprice, I was also looking for right angled component cables but haven't been able to find any. If I can't find them, even a stubby (short) connector would work. I have only seen a limited number of those and they were offered by Monster and I sure don't want to buy those unless nothing else is available.

I already have everything mounted.....

http://www.cobranet.com/coppermine/albums/userpics/IMG_2492.JPG

I plan on putting my subwoofer under the end table on the left.

As you can see, while I am still testing the setup, I have just run the cables down, behind the cabinet. I am looking for the best position to punch the hole just behind the Intellibar speaker to hide the routing of the cables. I had to add a couple of studs inside the wall to secure the wall mount, so the wall is still open on the other side until I complete the initial installation. I also have double gang plates behind the cabinet and behind the set on the left side of the monitor. I have also added a power outlet behind on the right side of the monitor.

Any help you can offer regarding the types of cables and routing is appreciated.

So I calibrated my YSP-1 as best I could, but my room is not at all ideal so the left/right distribution is kind of wacky. It sounds very good with a DD or DTS playback, but with a PLII signal I hear 2 voices with a slight delay between them. I have tried recalibrating, but it keeps coming up the same.

Any hints?

is the YSP-1 and YSP 1100 the same thing?? Thanks!

is the YSP-1 and YSP 1100 the same thing?? Thanks!

No.

YAMAHA Digital Sound Projector Product Line (http://www.yamaha.com/yec/ysp1/idx_products.htm)

Just chiming in briefly - I have had a YSP-1 for almost a full calendar year and i love it. I have it paired with a 43" Pioneer plasma and the YST-325 and everything works great together.

Had a couple of questions that hopefully someone will help me out with in regards to the YSP 1100.

Is there a ceiling constraint?

What's the driver between the big cost difference that I'm seeing between online advertised prices of this product? Is it due to some dealers be Yamaha certified and some are not?

Thanks in advance for any help.

is the YSP-1 and YSP 1100 the same thing?? Thanks!

The 1100 is like the third generation top line model, -1 released first then -1000 second, then -1100 released Sept-Oct 06 time frame.

Two questions...

1) Will the YSP work well if the listener is on the couch which is up against the back wall? Does it give decent surround effect if there is no space in between the back wall and your ears?

2) Will the YSP work effectively if it is in the corner of an open room (basically 3 walls) that opens into the kitchen?

Two questions...

1) Will the YSP work well if the listener is on the couch which is up against the back wall? Does it give decent surround effect if there is no space in between the back wall and your ears?

2) Will the YSP work effectively if it is in the corner of an open room (basically 3 walls) that opens into the kitchen?


Working well is subjective. You will get a very nice three channel sound in an open room. With the couch against the back wall, I don't think you'll hear much from the rear, sounds good but not ideal. The rear sound will appear to be blended to your side and forward.

Even in ideal conditions, I think the rears are much less apparent than in a discrete speaker system. In fact the separate channels are much more blended than in a discrete speaker system, and it sounds good.

Basically the same, but YSP-1100 is the newer version and takes care of bugs previous had(being the ysp-1 was first in market).Price should make a d/f in your choice

I have a couple of questions.

I will be sitting about 8 feet in front of my HDTV in a room that is about 13 x 13 and 9 foot ceiling. I don't think I will get good bouncing off the walls because the room is small and has my computer desk, fish tank, and a 32 inch SDTV on one side and a open closet with shelves on the other. But, I could get better sound then the Denon S 301 2.1 HTIB. ??

My first question is will the 1100 fit in between the shelves of my TV stand below since it won't fit in front on my HDTV on the top shelf? I have 8 1/2 inches open on bottom shelf, and 8 1/4 on the middle shelf. According to the spec measurements, it should, but can someone give me a true measurement on the 1100 (H).

Next, how is the sound when watching HDTV channels? I would like to get good sound out of the likes of HBO, INHD, ESPN/ESPN2, TNTHD, MHD, DHD, and CBS/NBC/ABC/FOX. Many of these HTIB seem to only provide good sound when playing DVDs.

Finally, with my room size do you need the sub with the 1100? Right now I am looking at either getting the 800 with the YST-FSW100 sub, or just the 1100 with no sub for now. And, has anyone bought any of these items off ebay? It seems like most of the sellers with the lowest prices are from Brooklyn, NY, and I have read that you could be getting so called grey merchandise and not be protected by the warranty.

Thanks for any help and opinions.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7832/7832492cv3a.jpg

how is the sound when watching HDTV channels?

Finally, with my room size do you need the sub with the 1100?

You need a sub for any serious home theater in any room size. The 1100 is not going to shake the house, although it does sound better rounded than the 800, not as harsh/bright.

I think the 1100 sounds great with any of the sources listed, does very well with sports. As with any surround system, there are a few shows where the sound processing gets in the way of the audio.

I have a couple of questions.

I will be sitting about 8 feet in front of my HDTV in a room that is about 13 x 13 and 9 foot ceiling. I don't think I will get good bouncing off the walls because the room is small and has my computer desk, fish tank, and a 32 inch SDTV on one side and a open closet with shelves on the other. But, I could get better sound then the Denon S 301 2.1 HTIB. ??

My first question is will the 1100 fit in between the shelves of my TV stand below since it won't fit in front on my HDTV on the top shelf? I have 8 1/2 inches open on bottom shelf, and 8 1/4 on the middle shelf. According to the spec measurements, it should, but can someone give me a true measurement on the 1100 (H).

Next, how is the sound when watching HDTV channels? I would like to get good sound out of the likes of HBO, INHD, ESPN/ESPN2, TNTHD, MHD, DHD, and CBS/NBC/ABC/FOX. Many of these HTIB seem to only provide good sound when playing DVDs.

Finally, with my room size do you need the sub with the 1100? Right now I am looking at either getting the 800 with the YST-FSW100 sub, or just the 1100 with no sub for now. And, has anyone bought any of these items off ebay? It seems like most of the sellers with the lowest prices are from Brooklyn, NY, and I have read that you could be getting so called grey merchandise and not be protected by the warranty.

Thanks for any help and opinions.

http://images.bestbuy.com/BestBuy_US/images/products/7832/7832492cv3




a.jpg
Unless it is an authorized Yamaha dealer you will NOT have a warranty . You have to call Yamaha to find out if a dealer is authorized. I don't understand this policy. If the item is made by Yamaha why wont they guarantee it ? It prevents shopping for the best price. I wont buy another product from Yamaha because of this. If they made it and they sell it they should stand behind it, no matter who sells it for them, as long as it is within the warranty time frame.

I saw this YSP-1100 at fry's yesterday. And wow it sounds amazing. I am this close to buying it!

My condo is already pre-wired for 5.1 surround sound, so setting up a surround setup would be pretty simple for me. I am curious as to whether it sounds better than a 5.1 setup for around the same cost ($1500-2000)?

Thanks.

I am curious as to whether it sounds better than a 5.1 setup for around the same cost ($1500-2000)?


It will not sound better than a good dedicated 5.1. Its a great system but if you have the 5.1 infrastructure ready to go, you aren't the consumer they are targeting with this unit. You might be quite happy with it though but you will probably be slightly to much more satisfied with a full system as it will be more immersve and not dependent on the shape of the room and other caveats that drive this unit

I saw this YSP-1100 at fry's yesterday. And wow it sounds amazing. I am this close to buying it!

My condo is already pre-wired for 5.1 surround sound, so setting up a surround setup would be pretty simple for me. I am curious as to whether it sounds better than a 5.1 setup for around the same cost ($1500-2000)?

Thanks.

It won't even sound better than a $1000 set up.

It won't even sound better than a $1000 set up.

I'm glad someone said it. It's like people getting excited about the world's first boombox. Yippee. I'll take two PSB Alphas and a Sherwood stereo receiver for $400 before one of those. If anyone sees one of these in my house, please come up behind me, quietly, and put me down for my own good. In my more broke days, I had two NHT SuperZeros, a small NHT sub and a stereo NAD amp that would kick the living crap out of a YSP anything and it cost me about $600 not including a CD player. Imaged so well that it felt like surround. Okay, maybe $100 more for stands.

I can understand why people feel this might be their only option, but I can *not* understand people being excited about it. Like "wow, I almost got a car, but this expensive moped is so 'hip'". Yippee..........

If they made it and they sell it they should stand behind it, no matter who sells it for them, as long as it is within the warranty time frame.

So, they should stand by their customers, but not their dealers?!? Just be semi-reputable? I like how people want everything, but don't want to pay for it. Gimme, gimme, gimme.

Yamaha manufactures it, who ever sells it must get it from Yamaha who ends up with the profit. Where do there non dealers get the product they obviously have a lot of product ?
Also it is not gimmie, gimmie, gimmie, I like you, always shop for the higest price, so I can give more people my money.

Mike

Yamaha manufactures it, who ever sells it must get it from Yamaha who ends up with the profit. Where do there non dealers get the product they obviously have a lot of product ?

What many companies do is try to get them from employees at other stores or from some small company that needs to ditch product. Some don't even *have* the product at all, but try to get you to give them money and then they try to find it somewhere or say they can't get it and try to switch you into something else.

Also it is not gimmie, gimmie, gimmie, I like you, always shop for the higest price, so I can give more people my money.

I just don't want to pay more than other people. I don't obsess about paying less, especially if there's some service or expertise to go with it. Of course, if there were any expertise, they'd probably be trying to talk sense into you instead of selling you a "sound bar" or whatever these things are called.

I'll take two PSB Alphas and a Sherwood stereo receiver for $400 before one of those. In my more broke days, I had two NHT SuperZeros, a small NHT sub and a stereo NAD amp that would kick the living crap out of a YSP anything and it cost me about $600 not including a CD player. Imaged so well that it felt like surround. Okay, maybe $100 more for stands.

I can understand why people feel this might be their only option, but I can *not* understand people being excited about it. Like "wow, I almost got a car, but this expensive moped is so 'hip'". Yippee..........

Everyone's opinion of what’s best and what is good enough is different, but you must be near deaf or a troll.

To answer the original question of cost comparison: I have a TV room with a $1600 audio system (YSP-1100, sub, sub audio cable) and a decent $2700 theater room (five full range large speakers with Snell mains, powered sub, 500w pioneer elite amp, a bunch of monster speaker cable built up over years).

For annoying the neighbors, knocking fillings out, setting off alarms, and shaking the house with clean surround sound or stereo rock and roll, the theater system is obviously better, but at more listenable levels for video, the YSP with a sub is excellent, very satisfying. I don’t like the YSP as much for CD music (I prefer stereo than any surround effects), but concert videos are very good.

Starting from scratch (no receiver or speakers) the YSP plus a sub is equivalent cost to discrete components, unless your tastes run more to hard rock, where loud clean sound is better than precision and dialog. Where you can tailor discrete components to your taste and adapt when better components come along you are pretty much stuck with what the YSP provides.

Although the cost for the sound is in the same ballpark, I would not recommend the YSP based on cost. If you want excellent sound to complement great HD video without the clutter of speakers, amplifier components, remote control confusion, or holes and grills in the walls, think about the YSP. It serves that purpose very well I think. The sound is excellent.

I think music sounds better in stereo and loud, so for that application spending $1600 on a stereo amp, stereo speakers and sub should provide you with more audio satisfaction if you pick the components carefully. Add a very good center channel speaker ($500) and some decent rears ($200) for imaging and the system should sound better than the YSP.... my opinion of course. Your mileage will vary.

Everyone's opinion of what’s best and what is good enough is different, but you must be near deaf or a troll.

Deaf? I hear pretty well, thanks! I suppose you could set up a system to make it sound worse than a YSP, but it would be hard. Don't get me wrong, they sound better than I thought it would (I was expecting boom box quality), but it would take a really bad setup of a bad system to not embarrass it.

Deaf? I hear pretty well, thanks! I suppose you could set up a system to make it sound worse than a YSP, but it would be hard. Don't get me wrong, they sound better than I thought it would (I was expecting boom box quality), but it would take a really bad setup of a bad system to not embarrass it.


So a troll then..... :)

So a troll then..... :)

Exactly! ;)

My two cents.

I had bought this from Fry's after being blown away by the demo unit. I have PDP-5070 and let met tell you, I could barely hear any improvements in SQ. My family room is not the best setup but for $1,500, I had expected more. I returned it after 2 weeks.

My two cents.

I had bought this from Fry's after being blown away by the demo unit. I have PDP-5070 and let met tell you, I could barely hear any improvements in SQ. My family room is not the best setup but for $1,500, I had expected more. I returned it after 2 weeks.

Like any speaker, you really need to audition them in the home to be sure you like them, and are worth the $$$ to you. The YSP sound is not music to every one's ear and is effected by room characteristics more than discretes. It is a lot money, and a $3-500 sub is a must. That much money creates high expectations, not always satisfied.

looks like ysp-900 is coming. it looks like they just added the same features that the ysp-1100 has.
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070215/yamaha.htm

yamaha jp press release, copy and paste in browser
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?&u=http://www.yamaha.co.jp/news/2007/07021501.html
http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20070215/yamaha1.jpg


also i've been happy with my ysp-1 for 2 years now :D

looks like ysp-900 is coming. it looks like they just added the same features that the ysp-1100 has.

I believe the 900 has been out for a little while in Europe already. According to Yamaha (via e-mail), and mind you this was November 2006 or so, they claimed that there are no plans at this time to bring the 900 to USA (in so many words). My feeling is that they didn't want to cannibalize ysp-800 sales to people who would wait for that unit. I am very curious when it will ship in the US though. It must be sooner than later. I've been noticing some price drops on the 800 here and there lately so I wonder if that's a sign.

How does the YSP 1000 compare to the 1100. Worth the difference in price?

How does the YSP 1000 compare to the 1100. Worth the difference in price?

It depends... I bought my YSP-1000 on sale at approx half the price of a new 1100... :D

The 1000/1100 are virtualy the same with some minor differences. Those differences where not worth the extra bucks i.m.h.o...

How does the YSP 1000 compare to the 1100. Worth the difference in price?

A quick 1000/1100 comparison:

The Y1100 is third generation where the 1000 is second

The 1100 remote has a slightly different layout a couple more buttons like the TV/YSP mode switch and my beam. It also has a my beam mic, so when you tell the YSP to beam the sound to you, the YSP finds you via the mic in the remote.

The electrical/optical connections are the same.

The auto set up diagrams are a little different but I did not notice any difference in function.

Spec sheet says 1100 woofers are 11 cm, 1000 was 10 cm. It does sound like it has more base than the 1000, but that can be influenced by room layout. Still need a sub but not as much as the 1000 does.

Projection algorithm is much more refined, bigger sweet spot, sounds better. Self calibration algorithm is also more refined.

Worth the $100 difference is subjective, but you are getting the newest model with all its improvements.

I didn't think you could get a 1000 new anymore, they stopped making them last June I think.

Thanks, that was exactly what I hoped to learn. I like this idea of being able to focus the cound on where you're sitting. This thing will be a perfect solution for our Mexico house where it is not practical to use the big sound system I have now.

What's a good 10-12" powered sub to use with this puppy?

...Spec sheet says 1100 woofers are 11 cm, 1000 was 10 cm. It does sound like it has more base than the 1000, but that can be influenced by room layout. Still need a sub but not as much as the 1000 does...

Woofers are 11 cm (4 3/8 inch) in both the 1000 and 1100... ;)

And yes you do need a sub to enjoy the full spectrum...
I added a REL Q200 sub... sounds very good together!

Any long time users have anything to contribute as to long term usage problems or positives from the YSPs?

I have a static noise problem. Just started. Believe it or not I hear it when the mute is on and at very low volume settings. I have this 1000 about 8 months now, and it just started, I think. Any suggestions to stop it would be appreciated . I am getting ready to send it in for repairs.
Thanks Mike

What's a good 10-12" powered sub to use with this puppy?


I have a HSU STF-2 that works well. They are currently on sale for $350. It may be over kill, but it does do well.

Thanks, that was exactly what I hoped to learn. I like this idea of being able to focus the cound on where you're sitting. This thing will be a perfect solution for our Mexico house where it is not practical to use the big sound system I have now.

What's a good 10-12" powered sub to use with this puppy?

I wouldn't spend more than $200 on a sub for this. So anything you can find for less than $200 would be fine.

Where to get the rs-232 commands for the 1100?

Where to get the rs-232 commands for the 1100?

Don't know but these threads may help:

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-touch/thread.cgi?849

and

http://www.remotecentral.com/cgi-bin/mboard/rc-touch/thread.cgi?1560

Thanks cold case, it points me in the right direction. As you know the DSP has memory settings for different layouts, if I am going to mount the plasma and sound projector on a 3 memory motorized wall mount I want to recall the proper setting for each position, hence I will need three rs-232 memory bank access.

Thanks Again.

I Love My Ysp-1000. Had It 3 Weeks Now Its Awesome.

I had a chance to listen to YSP-1100 at a local BestBuy's Magnolia section. I was impressed with the sound volume of the unit and quickly realized all I need is a YSP-800. The surround experience is far from the real deal (i.e. having actual 5.1 speakers around you) but I could care less. The unit does a decent job of recreating the rough geometric location of the sound source. However, I know I will have to rearrange the living room in my apartment to make sure the sound will bounce correctly. It's a drag, but I much rather do that than having speakers and wires all over the place.

Hi,

I'm thinking about buying YSP1, YSP1000 or YSP1100 to go with my XBR2. I'm trying to figure out the main differences and if the newer models are worth additional expenses. From this thread I picked up a few differences such as new improved algorithm on YSP1100 or lack of autocalibration on YSP1. Could someone explain how important these features are? Do they really make difference? Am I missing any other important differences?

I originally was going for the cheapest option (YSP1), but now I'm reconsidering. I could get YSP1000 for $100 more than YSP1. For another $100 or $150, I could get YSP1100.

Any other helpful info would be appreciated. Thanks.

My setup: 3 wall living room merging into eat-in kitchen one of the walls hosts large windows. The TV is set up in front of the couch (between the windowed wall and opening to kitchen).

From this thread I picked up a few differences such as new improved algorithm on YSP1100 or lack of autocalibration on YSP1. Could someone explain how important these features are? Do they really make difference? Am I missing any other important differences?



There is no question the 1100 will sound the best, but only you can decide if the sound and features are worth the money. The hard part here is that I don't know anywhere you can audition the three speakers, which would be the right way to choose.

The extra money was worth it to me, although I caught a pretty good price break on the 1100. I think the 1000/1100 sound a lot better than the YSP1, and except for the sweet spot, there is less difference between the 1000/1100, but that's my ear. The 1100 is better without a sub, but for "home theater" shake the house sound you would need one anyway. With a good sub, the sound differences between the models is less, IMHO.

There are a wide variety of adjustments and having the setup automatic will save you days, if not weeks of time... and then when you rearrange the furniture you get to do it again.

The improved algorithms give you a bigger sweet spot, about sofa size instead of easy chair size, where the sound is at its best. Side walls are important to the sounds, not so much rear. If either side is open, you may not be happy. A corner location works well too. This affects your decision to go with a YSP, its not a model differentiator.

The extra money was worth it to me, although I caught a pretty good price break on the 1100. I think the 1000/1100 sound a lot better than the YSP1, and except for the sweet spot, there is less difference between the 1000/1100, but that's my ear.

Thanks a lot for your explanation. So based on what you said it is really a question of YSP1 vs YSP1000/1100? In other words the latter two vesrions are more comparable? YSP1000 has auto calibration, right?

One more question folks. Since I'm a complete novice to this I have no Idea of how important the quality of the cable connecting YSp to TV is. The sales person at Tweeter offered ProSolutions™ Digital Coaxial Cable which is priced in mid-30s. I read several posts on this thread referring to Monoprice cable. They are much cheaper, that's for sure, but are they of the same quality as more expensive brands in Tweeter, Best buy etc.

Also what's the difference between digital coaxial and digital optical? Which one is better?

Thanks.

There's a smaller, more audiophile-oriented company called ZVOX that makes one of these that gets pretty good critical reviews for $350. They also offer one of those "risk-free trials," where you send it back if you don't like it, if I recall. saw it in some Stereophile ad.

edit: here's a link: http://yhst-9301186439366.stores.yahoo.net/zv325hisisus.html

Somebody wanna try? I've always wondered about these things.

One more question folks. Since I'm a complete novice to this I have no Idea of how important the quality of the cable connecting YSp to TV is. The sales person at Tweeter offered ProSolutions™ Digital Coaxial Cable which is priced in mid-30s. I read several posts on this thread referring to Monoprice cable. They are much cheaper, that's for sure, but are they of the same quality as more expensive brands in Tweeter, Best buy etc.

Also what's the difference between digital coaxial and digital optical? Which one is better?

Thanks.

People have argued up and down as to whether or not cables matter, and there's never been a definitive answer, period. If you want a guaranteed well-built, great quality cable for relatively cheap, though, try Bluejeanscable. They're going to be as cheap or cheaper than the basic BB stuff, and way better than even their most expensive Monster Cable crap. In my opinion, coax is better than optical in my own personal tests with my D/A converter and CD transport. The connection is more reliable and sturdy, as well as older so it's had more time to develop. Also, I've legitimately found coaxial to sound better, for whatever reason. Though people will argue up and down about that, and it's really not worth claiming that it should be that way for everyone.

Thanks a lot for your explanation. So based on what you said it is really a question of YSP1 vs YSP1000/1100? In other words the latter two vesrions are more comparable? YSP1000 has auto calibration, right?
Yep 1000/1100 are more or less the same and both feature auto calibration.

Auto calibration is definately worth the extra bucks i.m.h.o...

So based on what you said it is really a question of YSP1 vs YSP1000/1100? In other words the latter two versions are more comparable? YSP1000 has auto calibration, right?

The sound difference between the YSP1 and 1000 is substantial I think. The difference between the 1000 and 1100 is not as much as the YSP1-1000 comparison but easily noticeable. The software in the 1100 is better, giving you a better image and sound stage. It also presents a much larger sweet spot and adapts to room imperfections better. Both the 1000 and 1100 auto calibrate but the 1100 results are said to be better. I used the AVIA DVD to check audio calibration and I did not need to make any adjustments to the YSP settings.

I think the 1100 is certainly worth $100-$200 more than a 1000. You will not be second guessing the performance as you know you got the best YSP.

In the broad view they all sound pretty good.

The sound difference between the YSP1 and 1000 is substantial I think. The difference between the 1000 and 1100 is not as much as the YSP1-1000 comparison but easily noticeable. The software in the 1100 is better, giving you a better image and sound stage. It also presents a much larger sweet spot and adapts to room imperfections better. Both the 1000 and 1100 auto calibrate but the 1100 results are said to be better. I used the AVIA DVD to check audio calibration and I did not need to make any adjustments to the YSP settings.

I think the 1100 is certainly worth $100-$200 more than a 1000. You will not be second guessing the performance as you know you got the best YSP.

In the broad view they all sound pretty good. COLD CASE WERE DO YOU GET YOUR INFO? HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO YSP-1000? YOU HAVE GOOD INFO JUST CURIOUS. I DO AGREE WITH YOU ITS WORTH THE EXTRA TO BUY THE YSP-1100. THANKS

I used the AVIA DVD to check audio calibration and I did not need to make any adjustments to the YSP settings.



Did you find Avia DVD useful for calibration (both audio & video)? thanks.

Did you find Avia DVD useful for calibration (both audio & video)? thanks.


Yes, very useful. The PQ is much better post calibration and the sub level was also reset to the proper level.

At first its not that easy to use and find test signals. It does take an afternoon or so the first time.

I know that this is a somewhat unrelated Question, but it seems like folks at this forum are pretty knowledgable in a variety of subjects, so I'll try my luck. I just got my 46inch Sony XBR LCD TV this morning and the screen seems to have some sort of trail on it. Something similar to the trail that is left by dried up water drops. I was told to use cotton cloth to wipe it off, and apply some water if that does not help. needless to say that made things even worse. Any suggestions as to how to clean LCD screen. Hopefully this is just a smudge.

Thanks.

Hey Every One Has Anybody Listened To Or Seen The New Philps Sound Bar???

Just got my YSP-1100 to go with my Panasonic TH-50PH9UK display. The 9UK terminal slots 1 and 2 have been fitted with HDMI terminals. It does not have a rca video in slot. It does have a component in slot ( slot 3 ). The YSP osd only works through the video out rca connection. Is there an adapter that will enable the osd rca out signal to be displayed through either the HDMI or Component slots. In other words how can I view the osd to set up the YSP with this problem?

I'm looking to hook ysp 1100 up as well with my plasma and dvd when i get it, is it possible to run the hdmi cable to tv, as well as run the optical audio to the ysp 1100??

would this soundbar work as a good alternative for someone with 20' a cathedral ceiling? I was considering this instead of the traditional setup, but Magnolia told me NO WAY with such high ceilings. But they could be wrong, of course!

I'm looking to hook ysp 1100 up as well with my plasma and dvd when i get it, is it possible to run the hdmi cable to tv, as well as run the optical audio to the ysp 1100??
YES.

would this soundbar work as a good alternative for someone with 20' a cathedral ceiling? I was considering this instead of the traditional setup, but Magnolia told me NO WAY with such high ceilings. But they could be wrong, of course!
Will not work.

Will not work.
Can you elaborate on why? Seems to me the walls and room layout matter much more than the ceiling height.

@Nanosplitter:
This should work. The height of the ceiling is no issue. I remember Yamaha giving demos in rooms with no ceiling... just 4 walls. ;)

would this soundbar work as a good alternative for someone with 20' a cathedral ceiling? I was considering this instead of the traditional setup, but Magnolia told me NO WAY with such high ceilings. But they could be wrong, of course!
HIGH CEILINGS WILL NOT EFFECT SOUND PROJECTION, LOTS OF FURNITURE & A BAD SET UP ANGLE WILL. SQUARE & RECTANGLE TYPE ROOMS WORK THE BEST I HOPE THAT HELPS, :)

FYI - I just bought the YSP-1100 last week and love it.

Make sure you have your cable box setting correct for full power of this machine. Originally, I had my cable set to just stereo, but it wasn't performing anyting like I had hoped. Then by chance, I went into my cable box setting and turned audio setting to Dolby surround and then bam...It was like sitting inside a true theater. The sound and power level jumped about twice the level, and the surround beams began working perfectly.

Now just need to find the right subwoofer. I was thinking of just going with the YST-FSW100 matching sub, but I have never heard this sub in person. The YSP actually puts out a decent amount of bass for its size, but I need a little more thump and thunder.

FYI - I just bought the YSP-1100 last week and love it.

Make sure you have your cable box setting correct for full power of this machine. Originally, I had my cable set to just stereo, but it wasn't performing anyting like I had hoped. Then by chance, I went into my cable box setting and turned audio setting to Dolby surround and then bam...It was like sitting inside a true theater. The sound and power level jumped about twice the level, and the surround beams began working perfectly.

Now just need to find the right subwoofer. I was thinking of just going with the YST-FSW100 matching sub, but I have never heard this sub in person. The YSP actually puts out a decent amount of bass for its size, but I need a little more thump and thunder.

CONGRATS ON YOUR PURCHASE, I AM GLAD YOU LOVE YOUR YSP-1100. WHAT TYPE OF CABLE BOX DO YOU HAVE? I HAVE A OLDER M&K SUB IT WORKS FINE FOR ME, WHEN I FIRST HEARD A DEMO OF THE YSP-1 IT HAD A B&W SUB WITCH HAD A GREAT SOUND, IF I DID NOT HAVE THE M&K I WOULD HAVE GONE WITH THE B&W THERE IS A LOT OF SUB INFO IN THIS FORUM. YOU DEFINITELY NEED A SUB TO GET THE FULL EFFECT OF YOUR YSP. THANKS FOR THE INFO ABOUT THE SETTINGS OF THE CABLE BOX. :)

I grabbed one of these today for 800 at a tweeter closeout.
sounds decent so far...
Question. Can I dim the display in front?! Please say YES!!

Can I dim the display in front?!
Read the manual. Menu->Manual Setup->Option Menu->Display Set

Read the manual. Menu->Manual Setup->Option Menu->Display Set



Thanks for telling me to read the manual!

If what I bought had one I wouldnt have asked.

If what I bought had one I wouldnt have asked.
The manual (http://www.yamaha.ca/av/YSP/pdfs/ysp1_man_e.pdf) has been available online for a long time now.

Any suggestions vs.
ysp 800
mk mp4512

If my dvd player is hdmi to dvi how would i hook it up?

If my dvd player is hdmi to dvi how would i hook it up?


The YSP does not have HDMI or DVI inputs. You would connect your DVD player's audio out (optical, digital coax, or RCA L/R) to the YSP and the player's HDMI/DVI directly to the display/monitor. This is a common set up, most use optical TOS link with excellent results.

We are considering the YSP plus subwoofer to avoid the hassle of running cables for dedicated surround speakers.

Due to the room layout, the YSP will be at a height of about 5 feet, off center. The primary listening position will be a sofa roughly in line with the YSP. The left wall is solid, the right wall has windows. Behind the sofa is open.

+------------------------------+
| |SUB |
+-------------------+ |
| /\ |
| YSP |
| |
| |
| |
| L |
| L |
| L |
| L |
| LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLL |
| |
+..............................+
Given the non-symmetrical size of the room, and different surfaces left and right, and variable listener positions, is the YSP a decent choice for this room?

The biggest issue in your room is the lack of a rear wall. The YSP needs a rear wall to reproduce the rear channels. The non-symmetrical size of the room, different surfaces left/right and variable listener positions are all adjustable on the YSP.

Is the YSP a decent choice? In your current layout probably not, but if you re-arrange the layout a bit (180 degr.) it could work well.

Above the sofa there is a beam that connects to the ceiling and provides a couple of feet of "wall". I assume it would not be easy to calibrate the YSP to aim the sound off such a small surface area and get good results.

Anyway, I'm glad to learn that the YSP needs a rear wall to function well. Guess I'll be running cables for a 5 speaker system after all.

Now it's time to go find an amp and small white speakers. It never ends :)

YSP owners... can you give feedback on what I might experience with the following room config?

This is a split level ranch with the living room to the left when you walk in and go up the stairs.
I am a bit concerned that the stairway on the right will have a negative effect as the sound could riccochet off the walls of the stairwell area.

*
* Kitchen
*
**** **************** *****************
* YSP-1100 Hall way
* *************
* C S ***** stairs *
* O t own *
* U a d *
* C ir way to *
* H COUCH(main viewing) **************
* * mid level entrance
***********************************************

Thanks for your feedback.

Just got this today for a pretty good price of 1200.00 out the door for the 1100sl. Plus a 22-31 svs pci to go with it. My room is not set for a 5.1 system nor do i want to rip down walls. So this is the next best thing. In the furture i will put this in the bedroom and upgrade to a 5.0 system.

Ebay sells the 1100 for about 950.00 delivered NEW. I've heard these at Magnolia Stereo in a sound room with a good subwoofer the other day. I cannot comment on the setup around it other than to say that King Kong was playing on an HD DVD and I had to turn it up to 70% to get the speaker to perform decently. I found the speaker and the fact that you needed a sub accompaniment pretty low end in sound quality for the money. You could probably buy an Onkyo 605 and a decent surround speaker system that would do True HD with far superior results for the same money BUT you would be stuck with the wiring and placement of speaker dilemma. The 1100 doesn't do HDMI throughput OR True HD and I've not heard any plans for it yet. I couldn't possibly see anyone shelling out more than 500.00 WITH a decent sub for this technology. Sorry, just an opinion.

I have the YSP-1100. I think it is worth the money, if your room configuration is conducive to making it work. Not having to deal with wiring and/or speaker stands is worth it to some folks.

Having open wall space where it needs to have wall to bounce off of makes it tough to get good surround sound. The difference when you put it in room with the right config is amazing.

I was in a 20x20 sound room conducive to this units specification as optimum for configuration. Hey, don't get me wrong. I'd love to embrace this technology but I cannot rationalize it at this point for the money outlay.

Not disagreeing with you, regs. I'm replacing the one in my main tv viewing area with speakers, etc. Moving the YSP-1100 to another room with better wall config. That said, I would have preferred it if I could have made it work in a room missing 2 walls and glass on the other wall! I got a good deal on ebay, so don't regret the purchase.

I have just got a YSP 900. Has anyone had any luck using the remote to also contol their tV? When I follow the maunuals instructions it says to press code set and TV at the same time. When i do nothing happens and I cant input the codes. Anyone else tried this successfully?

Hey aloneifly -- did you get your ysp-900 in the US?
Just wondering, as I have been waiting patiently, with no word of the US release yet.

Thx.

Hello,

I am considering getting the YSP 1100. I admit I do not think I have the perfect room config, my back wall is pretty far away and my couch would block the reflective sound. However, I do not really need great surround sound, what I am looking for is a dynamic center sound stage. Something similar to a stereo system with a center channel. What I am looking for is a clear sound stage, something that I can keep at a low volume yet because of the directional speakers, we can hear easily. Many people seem to equate LOUD with GOOD, however, I am not one of those people.

Can I get that with this system?

- Roger

Roger, try it at home. This tech is very complex and will behave differently.

I am wondering about how much is the difference between 800 and 1000 in sound quality, assuming a sub-woofer will be attached?

Is their a recommended room size for 800?

Hey aloneifly -- did you get your ysp-900 in the US?
Just wondering, as I have been waiting patiently, with no word of the US release yet.

Thx.

No - got in in the UK.

Also - I have now purchased a Harmony remote so at last can control everything with 1 remote! So my original question about controlling with YSP remote is obsolete.

Also - I have now purchased a Harmony remote so at last can control everything with 1 remote! So my original question about controlling with YSP remote is obsolete.
ALONEIFLY, WITCH HARMONY REMOTE DID YOU PURCHASE THANKS.

So has anyone figured out how to use a motorola dvr (comcast) silver remote to control the volume of the ysp-1000? I have tried the comcast codes to no avail. I'm wondering if I can use the variable audio setup on my sony grand wega to use the tv volume to control the yamaha. Would perfer to not do it this way but I think it would work. Any insight would be appreciated.

I finally decided to give the 1100 a try. I was a bit skeptical given my room configuration (see previous post). Let me say that the sound is a good improvement over my standard tv speaker but not $1k-$1.5k better. The rear sound could not get created even after much tweaking and the right side got lost in the stairway going downstairs. I think this speaker only performs to standard in the perfect room and that is not my room. I will be returning it this week and probably just get a cheaper 5.1 setup. Also if you have seen the new 3000 and 4000 are coming out so more reason to wait and see how well those perform. I have faith that in time with sound advancements, this speaker will perform as promised in more room configurations. For now, it's just not up to par in my opinion.

I finally decided to give the 1100 a try. I was a bit skeptical given my room configuration (see previous post). Let me say that the sound is a good improvement over my standard tv speaker but not $1k-$1.5k better. The rear sound could not get created even after much tweaking and the right side got lost in the stairway going downstairs. I think this speaker only performs to standard in the perfect room and that is not my room. I will be returning it this week and probably just get a cheaper 5.1 setup. Also if you have seen the new 3000 and 4000 are coming out so more reason to wait and see how well those perform. I have faith that in time with sound advancements, this speaker will perform as promised in more room configurations. For now, it's just not up to par in my opinion.

Just about everything I've read on the 1100 seems to suggest that you must have walls properly configured to take advantage of the benefits of this model.

1. You mentioned specific problems with the rear sound and the sound on the right side. Was this irratiting to listen to or was there really no negative effect to the listening environment?

2. Do you think that the 1100 would be acceptable to you (and you'd keep it) if the price was half of what you paid? (I'm just trying to get a feel here for how good the speaker sounds without the acoustic benefits at a reduced price). Maybe when the 3000 and 4000 appear on the shelves the 800 and 1100 may be available at an attractive price...

3. Not sure if the new models will include any new acoustical properties. Yamaha has added HDMI connections and FM radio but I don't think there's much more. The MSRP is only $100.00 over the current model so there will probably be no earth shattering results.

-George

Just about everything I've read on the 1100 seems to suggest that you must have walls properly configured to take advantage of the benefits of this model.

1. You mentioned specific problems with the rear sound and the sound on the right side. Was this irratiting to listen to or was there really no negative effect to the listening environment?

2. Do you think that the 1100 would be acceptable to you (and you'd keep it) if the price was half of what you paid? (I'm just trying to get a feel here for how good the speaker sounds without the acoustic benefits at a reduced price). Maybe when the 3000 and 4000 appear on the shelves the 800 and 1100 may be available at an attractive price...

3. Not sure if the new models will include any new acoustical properties. Yamaha has added HDMI connections and FM radio but I don't think there's much more. The MSRP is only $100.00 over the current model so there will probably be no earth shattering results.

-George

1. If you look at his room layout you'll notice his couch is against the back wall. This way the rear channels will not be able to bounce of the rear wall. For the rear channels to function there has to be some space between the couch and the rear wall.
In my setup there is no right side wall either. It is difficult to adjust the right rear channel with the test-signal but it does not prevent the YSP from creating an enveloping surroundfield while watching movies. So no it does not distract from the overall experience.

2. If you are willing to adjust your room layout to the benefit of the YSP you will be very happy with it. Trying to make it work in an environment it isn't designed for leads to frustration.
I would choose a YSP over any conventional 5.1 system in the same price range any day based on the true surround experience...

1. If you look at his room layout you'll notice his couch is against the back wall. This way the rear channels will not be able to bounce of the rear wall. For the rear channels to function there has to be some space between the couch and the rear wall.
In my setup there is no right side wall either. It is difficult to adjust the right rear channel with the test-signal but it does not prevent the YSP from creating an enveloping surroundfield while watching movies. So no it does not distract from the overall experience.

2. If you are willing to adjust your room layout to the benefit of the YSP you will be very happy with it. Trying to make it work in an environment it isn't designed for leads to frustration.
I would choose a YSP over any conventional 5.1 system in the same price range any day based on the true surround experience...

Thanks for responding to my questions.

I'm setting up a new plasma for a relative who lives in a small apartment that is 'acoustically challanged.' I just took delivery of a Yamaha YSP-900 and will try to configure it next week in this less-than-ideal environment...It's probably not going to work out that well, but if the sound is acceptable under the circumstances then that's how it'll stay.

I chose the sound projector because the user does not want (nor would it be practical) five seperate speakers and the other objective was to 'keep things simple.' Since the speakers contain their own amplifier that eliminates the need for one additional piece of equipment.

Panasonic TH-50PZ700U, Oppo 981HD, Yam YSP-900, Motorola DCH-3416 PVR.

Thanks again for your reply.

-George

Just try to match the room examples from the manual as close as possible and you will be surprised how it performs... ;)

Just try to match the room examples from the manual as close as possible and you will be surprised how it performs... ;)
Thanks.

-G

Hi,

I wonder if someone has similar living room as mine. Most of the room suits YSP-1100 well but there are two big openings (two arcs) on the left wall.

Would these openings affect SL beam? Otherwise it should work fine, it's hard to find a listening room where I live, thanks

/John

Hi,

I wonder if someone has similar living room as mine. Most of the room suits YSP-1100 well but there are two big openings (two arcs) on the left wall.

Would these openings affect SL beam? Otherwise it should work fine, it's hard to find a listening room where I live, thanks

/John

My room is similar, but perhaps deeper, and with other challenges. The 1100 performs well. The beams bounce off the side walls about half way between the couch and the speaker, so you should be all set there. The rear beams mostly bounce off the rear walls, so it looks like you are all set there. I don't think there is much use of the rear side walls, they don't count on double bounces.

Thinking of getting a YSP-400 and have several questions / concerns. Thanks in advance for your help.

1) I don't really have a wall to thr right of the setup. I have already read this could be an issue though it should still sound pretty good. Is this so?

2) The room is FULL of windows. I will usually have the shades down when using it, but in general will it sound better with shades up or down and will either be significantly comprmised? At least glass is a reflective surface. I am worried the shades will absorb the sound rather than bounce it.

3) Will the 2 HDMI inputs also accept the sound from HDMI? Assuming yes, this leads to several follow-up questions:

a) Is it HDMI 1.3 compatible for the purpose of pass-through, etc.

b) Will it pass-through the sound as well as the video?

c) Do I get more possible sound inputs using the HDMI in concert with the other sources? In other words, can I have 2 HDMI plus all the other audio sources at the same time?

4) Does it pass through signals when not turned on or in use? In other words, if I just wanted the TV speakers on low for whatever reason, will it pass-through the full HDMI signal and allow audio to the TV if I am not using the YSP for sound then?

5) If no to #4, is it possible to get very low volumes that are still clear (i.e. the vocals aren't drowned out by the sound effects and music)? We sometimes watch with the volume low after the kids are asleep and if this becomes the primary audio source, it would be critical...

Thanks.

Wired mag just came out with their recommendations/pre tests on some 300 new products.

Its alot of marketing and by no means definitive, but they rank the 4000 as the top sound bar design.

Sorry no link.

If this thing was priced at $800, it would fly off the shelves.

^^ quoted 2 years 8 months 9 days ago for YSP-1.

Today I bought an open box YSP800 for $135 from best buy. Technology is a weird thing...


Tonight, I will audition it against the denon 1905 + athena micra combination.

Who do you think will beat?

Is there anyway that we can integrate one of these systems into a laptop with an external soundcard i.e. Creative Audigy and a Klispch Promedia Subwoofer?

If not, what would be the easiest way. I really wnat to use the Klipsch subwoofer to save the money.

Wired mag just came out with their recommendations/pre tests on some 300 new products.

Its alot of marketing and by no means definitive, but they rank the 4000 as the top sound bar design.

Sorry no link.

Here's the link:

WIRED MAGAZINE TEST: Yamaha YSP-4000 (http://www.wired.com/gadgets/miscellaneous/magazine/test2007/ha_yamaha_ysp_4000)

If anyone is still interested, Amazon currently has the YSP-800, new in box, for $360 shipped.

DBinMV

Is ~$500 a good price for YSP-1100? My room is less than ideal since I don't have a rear wall but I would like to avoid having to run wires all over.

Is ~$500 a good price for YSP-1100? My room is less than ideal since I don't have a rear wall but I would like to avoid having to run wires all over.

I paid 7-something about 5 months ago from an ebay store. There's a good place to check for the current going rate. I might even buy another one at $500...

Wow...that's alot of questions. I'll try to answer what I can based on my 3 weeks with my YSP 4000.

Thinking of getting a YSP-400 and have several questions / concerns. Thanks in advance for your help.

1) I don't really have a wall to thr right of the setup. I have already read this could be an issue though it should still sound pretty good. Is this so?
That is my setup exactly. A wall to the left with 2 large windows and no wall to the right. I am using the auto setup and on a scale of 1 to 5 with 1 being worst I'd rate it as a 4.
2) The room is FULL of windows. I will usually have the shades down when using it, but in general will it sound better with shades up or down and will either be significantly comprmised? At least glass is a reflective surface. I am worried the shades will absorb the sound rather than bounce it.
I don't have shades at all and it sounds fine to me. Disclaimer: I am not a huge audiophile.
3) Will the 2 HDMI inputs also accept the sound from HDMI? Assuming yes, this leads to several follow-up questions:

a) Is it HDMI 1.3 compatible for the purpose of pass-through, etc.

b) Will it pass-through the sound as well as the video? Yes

c) Do I get more possible sound inputs using the HDMI in concert with the other sources? In other words, can I have 2 HDMI plus all the other audio sources at the same time? Yes

4) Does it pass through signals when not turned on or in use? In other words, if I just wanted the TV speakers on low for whatever reason, will it pass-through the full HDMI signal and allow audio to the TV if I am not using the YSP for sound then? If you are using the soundbar for amplification, as I am, then the answer is no.

5) If no to #4, is it possible to get very low volumes that are still clear (i.e. the vocals aren't drowned out by the sound effects and music)? We sometimes watch with the volume low after the kids are asleep and if this becomes the primary audio source, it would be critical...
Yes. In fact, there is a setting for this type of listening.
Thanks.

My 8527 Espresso Avion, with KDF-50E3000 50" 1080p TV and Yamaha YSP soundbar.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/6480/dsc00310zu7.jpg
By michanecash (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/michanecash), shot with DSC-W55 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=DSC-W55&make=SONY) at 2008-05-07

Remote Drawer
http://img120.imageshack.us/img120/4994/dsc00294qf7.jpg
By michanecash (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/michanecash), shot with DSC-W55 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=DSC-W55&make=SONY) at 2008-05-07

http://img374.imageshack.us/img374/2486/dsc00300br2.jpg
By michanecash (http://profile.imageshack.us/user/michanecash), shot with DSC-W55 (http://profile.imageshack.us/camerabuy.php?model=DSC-W55&make=SONY) at 2008-05-07