Originally posted by sycore
I, however, can not justify spending double the price for a comparable product, when 2 promising product are just on the horizon.

sycore thats the problem,these folks in this thread do not care how much the 006 cost. If they did they wouldnt be buying them without ever seeing one first. I think you are wasting your time talking about price. You know when you have lots of money,one never thinks about money and the cost of something, you just LIVE. If you want to go somewhere,you go, if you want to buy something, you buy it, cost never comes into the picture. They are smart enough to know that other 1080p sets will be hiitting the market this year,duh we all know that. So stop trying to piss these people off so they can show me more amazing screenshots so you and I can continue to drool.

You go boy Pepco!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry Color!!!! I can't help it. I doubt this guy can even afford a LG or JVC. He's a total ****, because he just can't take a hint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay Color, I now on will continue to obey your wishes :D

Originally posted by Zechman
*thunk*

(the sound of Zechman letting it drop...)

*whoosh*

(the sound of Zechman adding to his ignore list...)

--Dwayne

Originally posted by kaduku
Anyone watching the Extreme fighting on HDNet. Looks great on the 006, makes me feel like punching someone!!!!! :D

Kaduku,

You got me all exited, their just having billiard matches on HDNet now. I know what you mean, though.

Originally posted by kaduku
You go boy Pepco!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry Color!!!! I can't help it. I doubt this guy can even afford a LG or JVC. I bet you this guy never gotten laid in high school too (fits the profile). He's a total idiot, because he just can't take a hint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay Color, I now on will continue to obey your wishes :D

Kaduku,

Ya know I'm just suggesting we don't give this guy any reason to hang out here. He's a wannabe, probably can't pay the freight, and loves to get people's goats out of envy. Responding to him is pouring gasoline on the fire. He may have some good insights which I may consider reading and responding to on other appropriate threads in the AVS Forum. It's very likely there will be some interesting tales of woe on the threads related to those upcoming products ... whenever they show up.

His posts here are not unlike looking for basketball scores in the entertainment section of the newspaper. When I want to read about sports, I go to the sports section, etc. When I want movie schedules I go to the entertainment section. When I want stock quotes I go to the business section. That's the concept of threads in an internet forum - keep the conversations on SPECIFIC topics/products SPECIFICALLY realated to those topics/products on the appropriately titled thread. Simple isn't it?

Does anyone know if one of the current Japanese Blu-ray players will work properly with the US version of the 006? I was assuming that sony was demoing the US version of the 006 with a blu-ray player but I can't get any confirmation. The spec sheets for some of the blu-ray players that I have looked at specify 1125i and not 1080i.
I also ordered a jvc d-vhs deck but can't seem to find many movies in stock. Have they discontinued making d-theater tapes? I'm trying to find "Beauty of jJapan". Thanks for any help. BTW, I am finally able to get perfect video and audio with wm-hd dvds. This is supposed to be even better pq than the 1080i d-vhs tapes.
brgds,
jp

Color,
I hear you! :D

Originally posted by jp2
Does anyone know if one of the current Japanese Blu-ray players will work properly with the US version of the 006? I was assuming that sony was demoing the US version of the 006 with a blu-ray player but I can't get any confirmation. The spec sheets for some of the blu-ray players that I have looked at specify 1125i and not 1080i.
I also ordered a jvc d-vhs deck but can't seem to find many movies in stock. Have they discontinued making d-theater tapes? I'm trying to find "Beauty of jJapan". Thanks for any help. BTW, I am finally able to get perfect video and audio with wm-hd dvds. This is supposed to be even better pq than the 1080i d-vhs tapes.


JP
I am just about to make the move also on purchasing a DVHS machine. Check out this guy for discounted movies.

http://htmg.videogon.com/cgi-bin/buy_cl.pl?sorchdtv&1113172655

Originally posted by pepco
sycore thats the problem,these folks in this thread do not care how much the 006 cost. If they did they wouldnt be buying them without ever seeing one first. I think you are wasting your time talking about price. You know when you have lots of money,one never thinks about money and the cost of something, you just LIVE. If you want to go somewhere,you go, if you want to buy something, you buy it, cost never comes into the picture. They are smart enough to know that other 1080p sets will be hiitting the market this year,duh we all know that. So stop trying to piss these people off so they can show me more amazing screenshots so you and I can continue to drool.

Right, I am sure everyone reading this thread will go right out buy the $13000 sony as soon as it hits their local best buy:) As I have said before, if you have no problem being gouged for a product you want now, the 006 is the way to go, but using your argument of "money is no object" there are better 1080 plasmas, lcds and FPs available. However, these options are not LCoS based and do not belong in this thread. The LG and JVC are LCoS based, and as such are direct competitor of the 006.
I am sure a few here would buy the TV sight unseen based on the opinion of certain posters, but the majority would not. These are simply uninformed consumer looking for someone they believe has some experience in AV, to tell them what to spend their money on.
You are off the mark, I am on your side. This thread, as has been stated ad nauseam (I will wait while you get a dictionary), deals with owners and those considering owning a 006. By offering opposing viewpoints on its position in the market place, my post should not be viewed "pissing these people off", but as informing reader that better options of a comparable technology will be coming to market in the near future that may be a better option to meet there needs.

Originally posted by kaduku
You go boy Pepco!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry Color!!!! I can't help it. I doubt this guy can even afford a LG or JVC. I bet you this guy never gotten laid in high school too (fits the profile). He's a total idiot, because he just can't take a hint!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay Color, I now on will continue to obey your wishes :D

Kadu, you especailly seem to be overreacting to the posting of information concerning the LCoS technology used in these sets. I only try to deal in facts and reasonable conjucture based upon the available evidence. Are there specific concerns or second guessing on your impending 006 purchase that these facts have conjured?

Did Sycore say something again?......... All I seem to hear is whistles and clicking sounds.


Casey......glad to see you got your set. One more back order down and out of the way.......maybe now Sony can have the GD common courtesy to deliver mine soon. I did notice that they sure are able to take your money without any delay at all.


And yes........I am going nutso. At least I bought a little 42 inch plasma to hold me over till the big dog arrives. Maybe I should just give the plamsa to sycore so she will go away since she obviously is unsatisfied having to watch TV on her 19 inch Zenith.

I didn't know till now you could even get the internet in trailer parks.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

And yes........I am going nutso. At least I bought a little 42 inch plasma to hold me over till the big dog arrives. Maybe I should just give the plamsa to sycore so she will go away since she obviously is unsatisfied having to watch TV on her 19 inch Zenith.


SHE, that explains it all!!! I wish I had a little 42 incher in my bedroom (you lucky dog).

Anyway, I see what you all are talking about. I've had my set (that's right , I already have one) on vivid because I like the brightness, but after switching to PRO mode using brt3's setting and watching it for awhile, I see the smooth film-like look and it doesn't hurt the eyes anymore in a very dark environment. Skin tones are more realistic too. I have all inputs now on PRO mode. PQ is even more incredible.

Let's get things back on track and a little more positive. If we really want to ignore certain non-constructive posters the best way is to deprive them of ANY response. Then they wither and die...

Oops, almost forgot the real reason for my post. I watched "Super Speedway" tonight on INHD. I'm quite familiar with the film having seen it in the IMAX format twice, and I own two versions of it on DVD. Tonight's show really shined on the Qualia. I saw extreme fine detail that was simply never evident before. I'll try and post some screenshots later, but this film really looked impressive on the 006. Made me long for the Formula One, CART, and ALMS series to get going -- anyone out there interested in a Bay Area/F-1 + Q006 club? Now THAT would be a miniscule gathering, I'm guessing. Unless, of course, we can somehow wrangle F-1 broadcasts in HD...

I must say that this is a very impressive set. It is clearly better than the Toshiba LCOS I owned for over a year. Here are a few quick observations:

(1) The colors are very rich, excellent reds and natural. I've made no adjustments yet (standard mode).

(2) The fan noise is very low. This was a problem on the old Toshiba.

(3) The fan continues to run a bit after you turn the set off to improve lamp cool down.

(4) This has the best picture I have seen on any HDTV.....period.

(5) I would say the best viewing distance is 12 - 14 feet. However there is no problem at all in the 8 - 10 foot range.

(6) There are reflections on the screen. I installed blinds to minimize this concern. This may be a slight issue for some. In my set up it is not an issue.

(7) Lamp Warranty- Mine came with both a Canada and USA warranty card. The USA warranty says 90 days only on the lamp. The Canada says one replacement lamp during the three year period.

(8) This set looks awesome on my stand !!

Getting into sophomoric pissing matches with sycore will ruin this informative thread.

Listen to colortv, Kaduku et al.

Better yet, if you don't like what sycore posts, put him on ignore.

But by calling him an idiot, it's you Kaduku, not he, who's breaking the forum rules and crapping this thread.

Casey, I agree with all the above. I am still amazed everyday how good the 006 picture is. Everyone I have ever shown the 006 to, wants one!

Originally posted by brt3
PM,

Thanks for the website compliments. ANY feedback or suggestions would be welcome...

As to the Optex cover -- have you posted photos of yours yet? I've been on the road and may have missed it...
Nope, I haven't posted any pics yet because I just haven't gotten around to purchasing another digital camera to replace the one that fell out of my pocket while on Whistler Mtn.

I sure hope that brown bear is happy with his new toy.

Originally posted by casey
You can see the Qualia in direct line of sight from the living room and dining room.

Hi, is that a Salamander rack?

Originally posted by casey
(7) Lamp Warranty- Mine came with both a Canada and USA warranty card. The USA warranty says 90 days only on the lamp. The Canada says one replacement lamp during the three year period.

(8) This set looks awesome on my stand !!

I believe that several owners here have been verbally informed by their Cierges that a free replacement bulb is available for a 3-year window from the date of purchase.

Originally posted by sycore
if you have no problem being gouged for a product you want now, the 006 is the way to go...

How do you communicate with the moderator to block and remove someone
from posting on a thread? This person will attract other personality disorders and ruin this thread soon. I am getting tired of this and will soon unsubscribe
to this thread unless this stops.

Dilbert1

I'm hosting an Oscar party tonight. Whether or not the hosting chores go smoothly, I know the 006 is going to amaze my guests. At least 2 of them are going to want to order one of them in the morning, if not tonight! One of the guests has 3 Pioneer plasmas in his house and he is not going to be able to go through life without an 006 once he sees it.

I just hope the producers of the Oscars do a better job with legacy film clips in the show. Having worked on the Oscarcast for many years and edited many of the clip packages, I know where a lot of the source material for those retrospective clips come from ... SD Laserdiscs and DVD's. We always had trouble getting the studios to cough up high quality source material, but that was in the days before HD. From what I have seen in 2 previous HD Oscarcasts, that SD material is glaring and nasty looking. Fingers crossed that the producers and studios have gone the extra mile to get more HD source material for Hollywood's biggest night. There are enough HDTV's out there now to justify it. We'll see in just a few hours...

Originally posted by Dilbert1
How do you communicate with the moderator to block and remove someone
from posting on a thread? This person will attract other personality disorders and ruin this thread soon. I am getting tired of this and will soon unsubscribe
to this thread unless this stops.

Dilbert1
Dilbert-
Check your PM.

Originally posted by Dilbert1
How do you communicate with the moderator to block and remove someone
from posting on a thread? This person will attract other personality disorders and ruin this thread soon. I am getting tired of this and will soon unsubscribe
to this thread unless this stops.

Dilbert1

The easiest way is to simply pretend he does not exist in this thread. Don't read his posts or replies to them and don't respond to him.

He may have valuable insights that belong on another thread. Perhaps a "new generation LCoS displays comparison" thread?

Incidentally, I rented and saw the DVD "Ray". This is a film about Ray Charles. It is a great film and looks fantastic on the Qualia. I suggest renting this film and having some friends visit for the movie. I am using a Denon 2910 outputting 480i and the picture is amazing.

Dilbert1

Thanks for the link. That makes it more likely I will spring for a D-VHS when the time comes.

When are you ordering your Qualia???? I work in Jersey City so hurry up!!! :D

Originally posted by wojtek
For D-VHS and non-Region 1 rentals try www.nicheflix.com

Color,
I find a seating distance of 9 ft. to be perfect for watching DVD’s on the Qualia 006 but, then prefer a distance of about 13 ft. or so (my second row of chairs) for some of the television series (specifically “24” comes to mine) that are broadcast-----because of all the camera jiggling--- I nearly get seasick.

What’s up with all the camera movement?
Is this supposed to be considered artistic ?

Originally posted by slocko
Thanks for the link. That makes it more likely I will spring for a D-VHS when the time comes.

When are you ordering your Qualia???? I work in Jersey City so hurry up!!! :D

slocko, I would be ordering a Qualia right now if it came in 50-55" size. The 70" behemoth is too big for my condo, and in addition I would have a real tough time convincing wife that $13K is a right ballpark amount for a TV!:D

But I do enjoy this thread - seems like with SXRD (and recent improvements to good-ole LCD which are SXRD-related), projection displays will give flat panels a run for their money.

Originally posted by BigHat
Hi, is that a Salamander rack?
I don't mean to step on casey's toes but he's probably busy in video nirvana so I think this is his stand....... (same as Joel's, I believe)

http://diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML

Please correct me if I'm wrong guys.

Originally posted by kaduku
PM,
Yes, I'm glad too. I guess it's that static cling that attracts these dust particles. I'm with brt3, how did you do your cover? Pic pls!


Heya Penton-man and Kaduku...

I was wondering if either of your cover-makers had a pattern now that could be used by others of us who would like to have covers made. If so, could you please PM me with the name/number of someone who I can send some Optex material to?

Thanks...

Here is a picture of the 006 in SD on D*. As you can see, quite watchable.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Nope, I haven't posted any pics yet because I just haven't gotten around to purchasing another digital camera to replace the one that fell out of my pocket while on Whistler Mtn.

I sure hope that brown bear is happy with his new toy.

PM,

Bear + camera = ????

http://www.4hiddenspycameras.com/spycamfootwi1.html

:D

Here is another picture in HD on Showtime.

New links posted; hopefully of interest to Qualians...

more D-VHS sources
more Superbit DVD sources
JVC D-VHS deck support
Ideal-Lume bias light link
Yamaha YSP1 link

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu14.html

Yes, that is me/us. :D

We used to live in Saratoga, but now are in Portland, OR.

Thanks,
Dave

Originally posted by kaduku
Aren't you still wanting to see one before pulling the trigger? If your in the SF area, PM me! :D

One of the first rules in Ham Radio is to ignore people who get on and cause "issues". Either with language, or someone without an FCC license. If you talk to them, even just to tell them to "get off the air" it lets them know they are being heard.

In this case, I do not believe sycore is all wrong, but it is not the thread for his comments.


Originally posted by colortv
Hey Penton and others bothered by sycore's posts...

I suggest we just ignore them and do not respond. That mentality just loves to work you and he obviously relishes the annoyance he's causing. He doesn't understand the concept of "threads" which we savvy folks know are forums to cover specific topics. This thread we are looking at right now is quite clearly titled "QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread" specifically for the purpose of sharing all things related to the Qualia 006. Other AVS Forum threads may be perfect for sycore to share his thoughts. He seems to have some things he wants to say, but the poor fellow just doesn't undertand the concept of threads.

So again, I respectfully suggest a "zero response policy" to sycore's irrelevant posts - no doubt there will be more in the future, whether from him or someone else.

Originally posted by wojtek
Getting into sophomoric pissing matches with sycore will ruin this informative thread.

Listen to colortv, Kaduku et al.

Better yet, if you don't like what sycore posts, put him on ignore.

But by calling him an idiot, it's you Kaduku, not he, who's breaking the forum rules and crapping this thread.

Thank you for pointing out to the misinformed, that I am merely trying to help those reading this thread and those considering the 006 that there are other LCoS based alternatives. As you have pointed out, I have not participated in the juvenile name calling and flaming attitude a few posters in this thread seem to have. I prefer someone that can hold an intellectual discussion to support their position, not one that makes ignorant, disparaging or derogatory remarks off hand. I am sure my income is in the upper 90-95% of readers that read this forum, and I frequently carry around more than twice the price of the 006 in cash every day for my business. However, I still can not justify $13000 for the 006, with the LG and JVC sets to be released anywhere in the next 4-9 months, at half the price with comparable or better PQ. To put it in perspective there was an actor on Leno some time ago, that was easily making 10-15 million dollars a picture, and he still could not justify spending $13 for a bottle for Avon water from his hotel mini bar.

There is always something better and cheaper on the horizon, but this will be comparing apples to apples. I guess we will all have our answers by then end of the year, and then can buy the one that best meets our needs. I could be wrong, but I would guess the majority of reader of this thread would pick either the LG or the JVC, if it comes even close to the 006 in terms of PQ, and sells at a street of $5500-6500 for the 70-71" and 4500-5500 for the 60-62" models.

I will not counter the shilltastic reports of other posters, but will periodically inform the readers of latest news concerning other LCoS based sets and alternatives, so they may be better inform about the potential purchase of the 006. I would hate to see someone upset or regret the purchase of the 006, simply because they were not informed of the alternatives put forth. Why you would want to keep this information off the thread is beyond me, whether it is because of kickbacks, payoffs, commissions or the simple ego trip of "mine is better then yours", it is still inexcusable.

Bye for now, will see you soon:)

brt3,

Very nice site! GREAT benefit for us. As topics come up that stir interest, you can just add it on. I set you site to "favorites" on the PC so I don't have to go back thru the thread looking for links. Thanks

Time to hit that ignore button. ;)


Oops, not you sparky, the troll.

brt3, the size (dimension) link does not work. May be a Sony issue??
Actually none of these work for me.

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html

Originally posted by brt3
New links posted; hopefully of interest to Qualians...

more D-VHS sources
more Superbit DVD sources
JVC D-VHS deck support
Ideal-Lume bias light link
Yamaha YSP1 link

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu14.html

Originally posted by JimP
Time to hit that ignore button. ;)


Oops, not you sparky, the troll.
I'm getting pretty darn good with that little wheel thing on the front of my computer mouse.:)

Originally posted by 3deye
Heya Penton-man and Kaduku...

I was wondering if either of your cover-makers had a pattern now that could be used by others of us who would like to have covers made. If so, could you please PM me with the name/number of someone who I can send some Optex material to?

Thanks...
Not me, perhaps Kaduku. I simply had a local seamstress sew some velcro onto three sides after my wife and I did some quick cutting and measuring. Mine had to be a rush job because in-laws were coming over the very next day with some youngins and I was getting paranoid.

I must say though, it fits tight as a glove and really does protect the screen and keeps the dust off.

Kuduku did a more professional job and I think the key question would be to find out (if he recalls or can measure it) the length of that elastic band that was sewn in (in an unstretched state).

I forgot to mention about the height of the set on my stand. My stand is 24 inch tall and I would say I like the height. Not a concern. The vertical viewing angles are excellent. The little extra height makes it easier to see from the other rooms as well.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'm getting pretty darn good with that little wheel thing on the front of my computer mouse.:)

Penton-Man, don't take sparky off!! I got you on my buddy list!!!

But by calling him an idiot, it's you Kaduku, not he, who's breaking the forum rules and crapping this thread....

No. Your instincts are correct Kaduku. Never-the-less, if a majority can't ban someone from posting (on this thread) then the only choice is to ignore.

I am not ignoring in this instance because I think it is unfair to group Kaduku with activity.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by mpsan
brt3, the size (dimension) link does not work. May be a Sony issue??
Actually none of these work for me.

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html

mpsan,

Thanks for the heads up. My computer says the files are downloading, but it's taking a REALLY long time. I'll go check all the links and fix whatever blowed up...

Originally posted by Dilbert1
But by calling him an idiot, it's you Kaduku, not he, who's breaking the forum rules and crapping this thread....

No. Your instincts are correct Kaduku. Never-the-less, if a majority can't ban someone from posting (on this thread) then the only choice is to ignore.

I am not ignoring in this instance because I think it is unfair to group Kaduku with activity.

Dilbert1
Dilbert-
Please check your personal message box.:D

I have followed the "Sony jumps on 70" and this thread from their inception, and have learned a lot from the people who looked at the 006 at CES; and those that have taken delivery. Thank you. As a veteran "early adopter", I was in the process of finalizing my order with the Las Vegas 'cierg during CES; when Direc TV announced it's MPEG-4 plans, and obsoleting of the HR10-250 TIVO DVR. All of a sudden, I had this "been there,done that" feeling and decided to take a deep breath. It is clear that the Q006 is the finest RPHDTV extant. Except for a few missing features many would like to have, such as a dynamic iris and direct 1080p input, this set is perfect--better than most source material. But, I already have two (admittedly inferior) HDTV's with a Sony SAT-T-60 and SA HD 8300's; and I would really like to have a slightly larger screen than 70", and a black case. I'm particularly intrigued by one poster's question about how Sony will differentiate the Q006 when SXRD migrates to the XBR line. I'm at the age when this might be my last big-screen TV, so it shouldn't be a problem (so I tell my early-adopter self) if I wait a little while to see what may be. After all, Blue Ray and Direc TV MPEG-4 are supposed to happen this year. This thread seems to have evolved to a group of first-shipment owners patting themselves on the back, with little new information because the TV seems to have NO issues, and an unwillingness to countenance any mention of any other set. It is, after all, "their " thread. So, I will take my leave of my daily visit and keep looking for new INFORMATION while the content side catches up with the display side. But, I don't know how long I can keep up my resolve to be a "rational" buyer; rather than an early adopter.

I have eagerly read every post on this thread since it started. The owners, (and potential owners), of this incredible TV have inspired such excitement about it, that my plans on buying a large plasma for our HT room have been placed on hold until such time as I can see the 006 in action, and decide whether to replace my trusty Pioneer Elite 610HD with another RPTV instead of the planned for 60"-65" plasma.

However, I believe that some of the comments that are occurring here from certain owners are doing a dis-service both to the forum, and potential buyers like myself. The 'tone' of some of these comments frankly smack of 'elitism', and I really do not believe that those of you making those comments realize that that is what you're doing.

Like all threads here, it IS appropriate for a non-owner to interject comments about the topic being discussed. It is not incorrect for Sycore for example to mention that there are other alternatives to the 006 being released relatively soon. There are people, and yes even many who read the AVS forum, who might not be able to afford the 006, but who are interested in hearing of other products soon to be released that perform very close to it. I would think that owners of the 006 would be a great resource for those individuals interested in other LCOS products soon to be released. Your comments about the quality of the 006 would be very beneficial to let's say individuals interested in the 1080p LG and JVC LCOS products coming before year's end.

Personally, I believe that those products will not be able to recreate the overall viewing experience of the state-of-the-art 006; BUT if the LG/JVC 1080p LCOS sets get to within 10% of the 'picture' but at 60% of the price, then many more people will be able to enjoy LCOS products, and not have to endure the inherent problems associated with LCD or DLP products. The current 006 owners can help educate those future LCOS buyers to the benefits of the technology versus other types of 'TV's that the 006 owners have owned. This kind of information is invaluable to others here at AVS.

No one here denies that all of you current owners probably are enjoying the best 'TV' that is available at this time. Further, I would say that near-future LCOS products will still not approach the level of picture quality that the 006 can provide. BUT, calling others 'Trolls', or saying that what you perceive as any negative comment must be coming from an individual who can not afford the 006 does nothing except reinforce the normally incorrect perceptions of others about those of us who are fortunate to earn a 'decent' wage.

In case any of you are wondering, I am not a 'troll' and I very much enjoy all of your positive comments about the 006. In the near term, we'll also hear of some problems. How Sony and yourselves deal with those problems will also supply invaluable information. Further, I'm fortunate to be an individual within the top 3-10% of wage earners in the USA, and the cost of the 006 is not a factor in my decision making process. IF I buy a LCOS product in the near future it WILL be the 006, since that extra 10% of quality is worth the increased initial outlay for me. The thoughts/comments of you the current owners will help me make that decision, but please remember that others do not have the luxury of spending the additional $5K that the Sony 006 commands.
Bish

Originally posted by Dilbert1
But by calling him an idiot, it's you Kaduku, not he, who's breaking the forum rules and crapping this thread....

No. Your instincts are correct Kaduku.
Dilbert1

Kaduku's instincts are correct, of course, but nobody ever got rid of a troll by calling him names. Calling names is against forum rules, instincts or not.
We have moderators for bringing order to the proceedings. Place all complaints with them.

Hopefully sycore will open his own thread comparing all LCoS RPTVs and stop pooping on your parade. His comments are valid on their merit but simply don't belong in this thread, and that makes them trollish. His excuse that he's looking out for newbies is a feeble one; he's simply taking advantage of the traffic Qualia owners here generated by spending $130,000 or so on their 10 machines and sharing their insights. And that makes him a troll.

Now back to discussing Qualia covers:(

Originally posted by Ted99
This thread seems to have evolved to a group of first-shipment owners patting themselves on the back, with little new information because the TV seems to have NO issues, .......So, I will take my leave of my daily visit and keep looking for new INFORMATION while the content side catches up with the display side.
Well, I think that it has kinda evolved into ways to help out current owners and prospective buyers no matter what their problems or concerns are i.e. delivery problems, warranty issues, settings, potential calibration needs, bias lighting, protective covering, optional stands, double pic quirks probably related to handshake issues, etc. etc. etc.

Not to the mention, ways to embellish the display with components or source material that may prove to be a good fit with the 006.

I’m sure there is alot of information related to other choices for a display if you peruse the RPTV forum.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton-Man, don't take sparky off!! I got you on my buddy list!!!
Not to worry, never happen.

Now this “elitist” has got to go out and mow the lawn (no gardener) and clean the downstairs bathroom(no maid) before the Oscars come on……just like he did before he retired and was in the top ½ of 1% of wage earners.

Still driving my 15 year old jeep, but I got my Qualia 006.
:)

Originally posted by Dilbert1
No. Your instincts are correct Kaduku. Never-the-less, if a majority can't ban someone from posting (on this thread) then the only choice is to ignore.

I am not ignoring in this instance because I think it is unfair to group Kaduku with activity.



Thanks Dilbert for your support. I am choosing to ignore from now on, including any other peep worthy to ignore.

Originally posted by 3deye
Heya Penton-man and Kaduku...

I was wondering if either of your cover-makers had a pattern now that could be used by others of us who would like to have covers made. If so, could you please PM me with the name/number of someone who I can send some Optex material to?

Thanks...

3deye,
Just send me the fabric and I will have my tailor do it for you. I'll give you a call later too.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Still driving my 15 year old jeep, but I got my Qualia 006.
:)

A man with his priorities right and his life in perfect order, IMHO...

Could someone (please) check this out and verify that the downloads work:

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html

This should be working again -- sorry for the inconvenience!

Originally posted by wojtek
Kaduku's instincts are correct, of course, but nobody ever got rid of a troll by calling him names. Calling names is against forum rules, instincts or not.
We have moderators for bringing order to the proceedings. Place all complaints with them.

Hopefully sycore will open his own thread comparing all LCoS RPTVs and stop pooping on your parade. His comments are valid on their merit but simply don't belong in this thread, and that makes them trollish. His excuse that he's looking out for newbies is a feeble one; he's simply taking advantage of the traffic Qualia owners here generated by spending $130,000 or so on their 10 machines and sharing their insights. And that makes him a troll.



I respect your opinion. :D

Originally posted by Ted99
This thread seems to have evolved to a group of first-shipment owners patting themselves on the back, with little new information .

It's kind of peculiar that a retired NASA Engineer would not understand a little back patting especially when something is going right? Just look at the NASA control room when a mission is successful! Most of us bought this TV site unseen, with "little new information", took a gamble, and things turned out good! I am still in a steep learning curve with this TV. We are learning as you were. Oh, BTW, the 006 does have a dynamic iris.

Bish,

Very well said! I'm hopeful that current 006 owners will continue to freely discuss their ongoing Qualia experiences while not feeling the need to criticize (or ignore) potential owners who raise questions about costs or competition for the 006.

SDL

OK, it did not dl here. It said they were not available. HOWEVER, it looks OK now. :D

Originally posted by brt3
mpsan,

Thanks for the heads up. My computer says the files are downloading, but it's taking a REALLY long time. I'll go check all the links and fix whatever blowed up...

I was invited by a colleague to a private demonstration of the new JVC 1080p (the 70" FH Model) for a high end dealer and I came away from it quite amazed.

Let me first state that I had spent nearly 2 hours with the 006 (watching a basketball game and a Trading Spaces episode) and came to the conclusion that this was THE BEST RPTV I have ever viewed (I have even seen the tosh and mitsu lcos models). But after seeing this demo of the new JVC with HD Cable (Comcast), HD Direct TV, a 480I/P DVD player (Krell Standard) and a JVC D-VHS player (sorry, i didn't catch the model#) I can objectively say that it is on par with the 006. I think it is important to interject this information into this thread because it HAS degenerated into a "pat me on the back" (quoting an earlier poster) session. If we can't talk about competitors and their alternatives then that goes against the whole point of AVS as a resource for information. I love the 006, but as a resource for those who can't shell out the 13k, why can't we discuss alternatives to it? While we all want to obtain the Holy Grail of televisions, we should be able to offer opinions on those TV's that seem to be just as good and at half the price.

Originally posted by spider4re
If we can't talk about competitors and their alternatives then that goes against the whole point of AVS as a resource for information.

You can.

In another thread which you can start. Because if you do it here, you're in effect hijacking the owners' thread which was set up to share the Qualia experiences.

C'mon, people, it's basic etiquette.

I'm outta here.

Thanks to Qualia owners for their insights.

Originally posted by wojtek

I'm outta here.

Thanks to Qualia owners for their insights.

Wojtek,
Yes, we need to get past this bickering and move on. You seem to be a very reasonable and intelligent person. I'm hoping that you're not outta here for good and that you continue to provide your input and thoughts on the 006.

Originally posted by kaduku
Wojtek,
Yes, we need to get past this bickering and move on. You seem to be a very reasonable and intelligent person. I'm hoping that you're not outta here for good and that you continue to provide your input and thoughts on the 006.

I agree Wojtec, you are a valuable member of this thread. I have enjoyed your thoughtful, helpful, and insightful posts. Please stay on and continue posting.

Anyone with an 006 care to post pics from the Oscars ?
:)

IMHO...

The larger this thread gets the more likely it is to be diverted, both literally and also as regards the positive spirit of what we've been doing here. This is a challenge to those who want to keep the thread alive to work that much harder to keep things true to purpose. So, just maybe, we should try to observe a few things, such as:

If someone goes really negative or OT just ignore them; without atttention they'll typically disappear. One of the things that has truly distinguished the thread has been the lack of "flaming" behavior. In the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"...

Those of us who own the Qualia have an investment, no doubt. But I genuinely hope someone comes out with the performance of the Q006 for as little money as possible. That being the case, let's try to have a place where we can share positve information to maximize our "investment" and improve our Qualia...

Comparison with other sets seems pretty irrelevant until we can do so head-to-head, under tightly controlled (read: well-calibrated) conditions. I personally don't care too much if another set tops the Qualia; this is inevitable and all I really want to do is enjoy my set for a good five years or so...

Money, class, and the like don't mean a lot here. Obviously this set is d*mned expensive; leading-edge tech always is. But accusations have been flung about people acting elitist; this strikes me as a misinterpretation. For the most part I've found people here to be helpful, accomodating, and knowledgeable.

Thoughts, anyone?

Hey colortv,

How'd the Oscar party go? Now THAT was one impressive view. Thought they did a decent -- but not great -- job of getting the clips done well, except for the sequence at the beginning (where the clips looked pretty SD). What did you think?

Originally posted by brt3

Money, class, and the like don't mean a lot here. Obviously this set is d*mned expensive; leading-edge tech always is. But accusations have been flung about people acting elitist; this strikes me as a misinterpretation. For the most part I've found people here to be helpful, accomodating, and knowledgeable.

Thoughts, anyone?

I agree and very well said Ray! I am not rich, and I had to really scrounge for every penny to buy this TV, and all I want to do is enjoy it. I really don't think anyone is acting elitist, but just trying to share our delight.

Originally posted by brt3

Thought they did a decent -- but not great -- job of getting the clips done well, except for the sequence at the beginning (where the clips looked pretty SD). What did you think?

Yes, decent, but not great. The Grammys were much better IMHO.

Originally posted by brt3
IMHO...

The larger this thread gets the more likely it is to be diverted, both literally and also as regards the positive spirit of what we've been doing here. This is a challenge to those who want to keep the thread alive to work that much harder to keep things true to purpose. So, just maybe, we should try to observe a few things, such as:

If someone goes really negative or OT just ignore them; without atttention they'll typically disappear. One of the things that has truly distinguished the thread has been the lack of "flaming" behavior. In the words of Rodney King, "can't we all just get along?"...

Those of us who own the Qualia have an investment, no doubt. But I genuinely hope someone comes out with the performance of the Q006 for as little money as possible. That being the case, let's try to have a place where we can share positve information to maximize our "investment" and improve our Qualia...

Comparison with other sets seems pretty irrelevant until we can do so head-to-head, under tightly controlled (read: well-calibrated) conditions. I personally don't care too much if another set tops the Qualia; this is inevitable and all I really want to do is enjoy my set for a good five years or so...

Money, class, and the like don't mean a lot here. Obviously this set is d*mned expensive; leading-edge tech always is. But accusations have been flung about people acting elitist; this strikes me as a misinterpretation. For the most part I've found people here to be helpful, accomodating, and knowledgeable.

Thoughts, anyone?

brt3,

I agree 100%. We have worked hard to make this thread what it is. All have been responsive and even going out of our way to answer questions and give advise about the 006. Personally, my knowledge of other displays is limited, and I would feel less than qualified to compare the 006 to other displays, other than it's the best picture I've ever seen. This is, well, the Qualia owners thread. And yes there are only a few of us now, but I'm sure our numbers will grow. Meanwhile, we should be able to relish and discover what this set has to offer, not pigeoned -holed in giving alternatives,or respond to sarcastic and hidden meaning posts posing as questions or comments. When new Qualia owner come along, I hope they will find a good and informative(and non-flaming) thread to join!!!

CBS really does a better job with their HD stuff than ABC. Collateral Damage with the Governator in HD looks fabulous on CBS.

Forgive me brothers, I know better but reading all this has given me a severe case of rectal chaffing and I just gotta say it:



All it takes is a couple of tards to derail a thread and what a load of crapola there has been lately.


First off, if one actually bothers to read the title of the thread you would be correct in thinking that this was a thread for those who HAVE or are PLANNING to OWN the 006. Of course if like many of the recent posters, your life still revolves around arguing which car is better....a Ford Mustang or Chevy Camaro then you might just wander in here and talk some stupid smack about how other products that are not even released are gonna be better, cheaper yadda yadda yadda. So what! Gee haven't seen any teenager postings like that have we?


But I ask you Two-Dogs........shouldn't everyone just hold hands thinking happy utopian thought's as we listen to non owners share their superior enlightenment with all us Sony elitists?


Yes the AVS forum is a place to get a wide variety information but excuse me for thinking THATS WHAT ALL THE OTHER FRIGGIN THREADS ARE FOR. Why do the information evangalists seem to think that just since this 006 OWNERS thread has alot of traction anyone in here wants to actually hear their biased drivel or brainless speculation. If one wanst to go find alternative information then there are many other threads avail.


And who is the wennie lefty bringing up elitism. That stuff just burns my keyster. I work like a SOB and will spend it however and on whatever I want. Like paying $13,000 for a TV makes you an elitist but paying 60% for another brand makes you an average joe? Relax your sphincter or quit mixing prescription medications.


Sorry for the unfriendly post but I come here because I want to learn more about my future 006 (and lament how hard this waiting is). I could care less what JVC or LG have, done or are planning to do. If I want to know I will go to one of those threads and find out.


Elitist out.................chaffing much better now.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Color,
I find a seating distance of 9 ft. to be perfect for watching DVD’s on the Qualia 006 but, then prefer a distance of about 13 ft. or so (my second row of chairs) for some of the television series (specifically “24” comes to mine) that are broadcast-----because of all the camera jiggling--- I nearly get seasick.

What’s up with all the camera movement?
Is this supposed to be considered artistic ?

Penton,

My viewing distance is about 9 feet - much closer than I would have guessed before buying such a large set. All the theories about screen size and viewing distance are so much hooey as I learned. With PQ as good as the 006, 9' or even closer is just fine. I had 50 people at my house tonight watching the HD Oscarcast, and some of my guests were so blown away they wanted to sit even closer, so we threw some pillows on the floor in front of the 006 and they were all smiles. Considering the height of my stand, we were surprised that the image didn't suffer much brightness dropoff, even from the low viewing angle.

Yeah, I know what you mean about the jiggly camerawork on 24. They break all the rules on that show. The idea of the camerawork and quirky editing style is to give immediacy and create tension. 24 certainly has both of those traits. But all that camera movement from 9' is a bit much. Maybe I'll back off a bit on Monday night for a change.

Originally posted by sparkysj
brt3,

Very nice site! GREAT benefit for us. As topics come up that stir interest, you can just add it on. I set you site to "favorites" on the PC so I don't have to go back thru the thread looking for links. Thanks

Agreed! Great work!

Originally posted by brt3
Hey colortv,

How'd the Oscar party go? Now THAT was one impressive view. Thought they did a decent -- but not great -- job of getting the clips done well, except for the sequence at the beginning (where the clips looked pretty SD). What did you think?

The show looked great! Of course this is the first time I've seen the Oscars on my own HDTV, and without a doubt the best HDTV yet. All the party hosting chores kept me busy during the show, so I hope to relax and watch it off the DVR sometime this week. The clips looked excellent for the most part, and fortunately from what I could see, mand\y of the non-HD clips were reduced in size such that that lack of HD-quality detail was not as apparent as it would have been a full screen size.

Originally posted by kaduku
Yes, decent, but not great. The Grammys were much better IMHO.

The same cameras were used for both shows according to what I heard. But ABC's 720p telecast looked a bit less crisp than the CBS 1080i Grammy show. Still, the Oscars looked GREAT!

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Forgive me brothers, I know better but reading all this has given me a severe case of rectal chaffing and I just gotta say it:



All it takes is a couple of tards to derail a thread and what a load of crapola there has been lately.


First off, if one actually bothers to read the title of the thread you would be correct in thinking that this was a thread for those who HAVE or are PLANNING to OWN the 006. Of course if like many of the recent posters, your life still revolves around arguing which car is better....a Ford Mustang or Chevy Camaro then you might just wander in here and talk some stupid smack about how other products that are not even released are gonna be better, cheaper yadda yadda yadda. So what! Gee haven't seen any teenager postings like that have we?


But I ask you Two-Dogs........shouldn't everyone just hold hands thinking happy utopian thought's as we listen to non owners share their superior enlightenment with all us Sony elitists?


Yes the AVS forum is a place to get a wide variety information but excuse me for thinking THATS WHAT ALL THE OTHER FRIGGIN THREADS ARE FOR. Why do the information evangalists seem to think that just since this 006 OWNERS thread has alot of traction anyone in here wants to actually hear their biased drivel or brainless speculation. If one wanst to go find alternative information then there are many other threads avail.


And who is the wennie lefty bringing up elitism. That stuff just burns my keyster. I work like a SOB and will spend it however and on whatever I want. Like paying $13,000 for a TV makes you an elitist but paying 60% for another brand makes you an average joe? Relax your sphincter or quit mixing prescription medications.


Sorry for the unfriendly post but I come here because I want to learn more about my future 006 (and lament how hard this waiting is). I could care less what JVC or LG have, done or are planning to do. If I want to know I will go to one of those threads and find out.


Elitist out.................chaffing much better now.

FLAWLESS! I wish I had found the words you just did.

I love to get information on the AVS Forum. After all, it was the original SXRD thread that told me about this incredible TV. The AVS Forum is a place to learn and share information. But I don't understand why these guys don't get the concept - why discuss JVC or LG TV's on a Sony Qualia thread? I look forward to reading comparisons when we can get them - on an appropriately titled thread. Are they talking about Sony TV's on the JVC D-ILA owner's thread? Why would they? Duh!

I have received complaints about some of the posts on this thread.
Keep it friendly and courteous, please. Otherwise, this thread will be closed.

All the noise about the nature of the thread and who's right and who's wrong is getting annoying - much more so than the original remarks the started all the discussion. Let's stick to AVS-related topics.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Oh, BTW, the 006 does have a dynamic iris.
Correction: It has a manual iris.

Anyone else notice that movies at 1080i look much better, using the Cinemotion (3:2 pulldown) setting?

Well guys, it's me again, the mad scientist, with my latest concoction: a new thread for prospective buyers, where comparisons, different brand models and price savings can be discussed.

For those wishing to seek alternatives to the 006, please visit the Qualia 006 v. ? -- comparison thread -- For Prospective Owners (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=514800).

Let's try and keep this thread on point and true to its title, QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread.

Thanks :)

Hello All,
I still can't seem to find a good source for the d-theater tapes. I emailed the videogon person that was suggested but he replied back saying that he didn't have any. Most of the other online sites show out of stock or out of production. Also, has anyone just connected their antenna to the 006's internal tuner then recorded HD via the i-link out to the jvc? I don't have the comcast box yet with firewire out and wanted to test recording some HD with my current setup. I haven't received the jvc yet either but should shortly. Thanks for any info.

I thought the oscars looked very good. I didn't see the grammys to comparae but if the grammys looked better, I really missed out!
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by colortv
The same cameras were used for both shows according to what I heard. But ABC's 720p telecast looked a bit less crisp than the CBS 1080i Grammy show. Still, the Oscars looked GREAT!

I guess it was because there was not much music like the Grammys and that Chris Rock was mediocre.

jb007,

Setting up the alternative thread is a very reasoned and constructive attempt to reduce the "comparison-shopping" posts in this 006 thread. Much more respectful of us "not yet 006 owners" than some of the name-calling posts. I'm afraid, though, that the lack of any production models that seriously compare with the picture quality of the 006 may make it tough to sustain any real comparisons for at least a few months. Hope it works out, though. Speculation often beats out reality anyway.

I have to say, however, that other "owner's" threads on this board include regular smatterings of comparison comments. Someone discusses how my new Brand X is better than my old Brand Y or that they're trading in their new Brand X for Brand Z because it does something better (eg, no rainbows, no SSE, no whatever...). I just don't find the posters on those threads to be as sensitive to discussion of other brands as are several of the 006 owners on this thread. There are probably a lot of reasons for that fact, but I won't presume to appreciate them all or attribute negative motives to anyone.

I just hope that all the current 006 owners will continue to post useful comments about a great RPTV while being tolerant of a few comparison posts. You guys own a tv that is so good that there's no need to be defensive or irritated if someone posts something critical. To restore your good mood, you can just turn off your computer and turn on your tv.

Enjoy your Qualia 006 -- and continue to rave about it so others can learn from your experience.

SDL

Comparison posts are one thing.
(I did a very long one (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5176904#post5176904) that got a lot (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5176947#post5176947) of positive (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5177099#post5177099) feedback (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5178275#post5178275) from the other thread readers (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5224466#post5224466).)

Advocacy for something that isn't available yet is quite another.

It serves no purpose to come into an owner's thread and tell owners that they shouldn't have bought what they did. To put it under the guise of "warning prospective owners" is flawed because that's not really the audience you'll find here. (Which I guess is kind of odd to say, since I'm a prospective Qualia owner....)

It would be just as bad if I went into a "Samsung HLP tweaks" thread and posted something about how the picture quality of the 006 is so much better and doesn't have rainbows.

Regardless of the validity of the opinion, this is not the place to advocate other TV's. Honest discussion of pros and cons? Sure. There was a whole lot of that in the "bandwagon" thread. But that's not what has been going on here.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by jp2
punkzip,
I pm'd you about how to get the 006 working properly as a htpc. As I think you discovered, htpc's are very driver dependent. I was able to get my nvidia 6600 card to sync with no issues pretty easily. The forceware drivers recognized the 006 properly and allows me to pick any of the standard hdtv resolutions. What I haven't been able to do yet is get the 006 to sync with 1080/24PsF. The qualia 004 is able to do this but I don't think the 006 is able to. The latest forceware drivers (75.90) have a pre-configured timing for that rate but the 006 doesn't seem to sync. One other option would be to try a vga to component dongle and see if the 006 syncs on that input. I am using the htpc mostly for dvd viewing which looks very good at 1080i. I agree that for web browsing, 720p would be easier on the eyes at 12 feet back. btw, shark tales looks amazing on the 006!
brgds,
jp

jp, what refresh rates are available at both 720p and 1080i? I'm still trying to figure out if I can get 1080i60 signal into the set where it's deinteraced and displayed at 1080p60, if 720p60 is supported then I'm pretty sure it will do it.

Originally posted by brt3
A man with his priorities right and his life in perfect order, IMHO...
Did I mention that next month my Jeep will be 16 years old at the same time my Qualia 006 will be a ripe young 60 days old?

Where’s my pat?

Brt – your homepage is getting better and better as a resource for us Qualia 006 owners and prospective owners.

Thanks.
:)

Originally posted by wojtek
You can.

In another thread which you can start. Because if you do it here, you're in effect hijacking the owners' thread which was set up to share the Qualia experiences.

C'mon, people, it's basic etiquette.

I'm outta here.

Thanks to Qualia owners for their insights.
Ditto, as above.
I still am amazed that some people can’t grasp this basic concept.
Perhaps it is simple laziness. Stay here wojtek…..you are a great contributor to this thread.

Originally posted by jb007
Well guys, it's me again, the mad scientist, with my latest concoction: a new thread for prospective buyers, where comparisons, different brand models and price savings can be discussed.

For those wishing to seek alternatives to the 006, please visit the Qualia 006 v. ? -- comparison thread -- For Prospective Owners (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=514800).

Let's try and keep this thread on point and true to its title, QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread.

Thanks :)
Good job jb!
You took the time to do the work for them. Can there now be any excuses not to post appropriate content on appropriate threads ?

Originally posted by colortv
The same cameras were used for both shows according to what I heard. But ABC's 720p telecast looked a bit less crisp than the CBS 1080i Grammy show. Still, the Oscars looked GREAT!
Agreed. Also the 006 seems to bring out alot of issues with HD broadcasts that I never noticed before.

Namely, I swear that MUCH of the HD broadcasting on Fox (with the exception of the NFL playoff games I've seen) looks inferior to the HD broadcasts on ABC - despite the fact that both are 720p.

Is this my imagination, or has anybody else noticed this?

CBS and NBC are simply pristine.

Ok , Now that you did this could some one start responding on the tweaks 7 how they set the user menu & service menu adjustments...Or will that be another forum. Umr has not done a Qualia 006 yet , so could be then they will make a forum...

Originally posted by rcohen
All the noise about the nature of the thread and who's right and who's wrong is getting annoying - much more so than the original remarks the started all the discussion. Let's stick to AVS-related topics.


Correction: It has a manual iris.

Anyone else notice that movies at 1080i look much better, using the Cinemotion (3:2 pulldown) setting?
Well I running 480i via component out from my DVD player to the 006 and I've noticed an improvement with the Cinemotion setting.

Honestly, I didn't even know that one can select the Cinemotion setting at 1080i - perhaps it's time for me to go back to the manual.

BTW, in regards to the iris, I believe sparky was technically correct in that from his viewpoint, he is an attached life support system for the Qualia 006...and as such... he has two round blue? things in his skull that truly act dynamically when lighting conditions change.:)

There's your pat, sparky.:D

Originally posted by Zechman

It would be just as bad if I went into a "Samsung HLP tweaks" thread and posted something about how the picture quality of the 006 is so much better and doesn't have rainbows.
--Dwayne

Of course. The root cause here is basically the drive for stimulation, and what better way...

Actually, the really interesting thing is watching how intelligent people behave when they have emotional interest combined with the constraints present at this, or any, forum. You can begin to understand how people on a reality show like "Trump" start behaving counterproductive given the constraints and irritating factors in their situation.

And in case anyone missed my post about renting the DVD "Ray", it is not to be missed. PQ was fantastic and the acting/script was wonderful. Combine this TV with a really good sound system and the experience is totally involving.

The thing I keep noticing is how good skin tones look. What settings are people using to view on this TV, are a lot of you using pro mode? I am using mostly the standard mode in neutral color temperature, and black enhance off (not sure, at this moment, if it is called black enhance). I use vivid for some animations.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by G.B.
could some one start responding on the tweaks 7 how they set the user menu & service menu adjustments
With regards to the service menu, I’ll wait until I have my set calibrated by nhey’s guy or the local Sony guy in the L.A. area……..if I even decide to do so.

I know there have been posts about pro mod settings. I am just curious to know if the standard mode is good for most people.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Dilbert1

The thing I keep noticing is how good skin tones look. What settings are people using to view on this TV, are a lot of you using pro mode? I am using mostly the standard mode in neutral color temperature, and black enhance off (not sure, at this moment, if it is called black enhance). I use vivid for some animations.

Dilbert1
Well I tried everyone’s settings as so graciously posted by jb007 (there’s your pat!)on page 1 of the Qualia Owner’s Thread and personally for me …..in my home theater room ….with my lighting conditions….I have found brt’s settings to be the most appealing by far. With two exceptions…..namely I am using a Wide color space and I left the sharpness on the stock setting because I notice absolutely no ringing with it set on 25.

After the Oscar’s last night, I think “Ray” is definitely a must for one of our next movie nights. Thanks for the recommendation.
:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Did I mention that next month my Jeep will be 16 years old at the same time my Qualia 006 will be a ripe young 60 days old?

Where’s my pat?

PAT!

Brt – your homepage is getting better and better as a resource for us Qualia 006 owners and prospective owners.

Thanks.
:) [/B]

Thanks for the kind words! Not to "pimp" my page, but last night I posted some additional links of interest. If you want to see how huge a Qualia 006 looks in comparison to a Japanese woman try the first new link mentioned below:

original Japanese press release
SXRD "white paper" overview
home page of "The Qualia Movement"

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu14.html

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I have found brt’s settings to be the most appealing by far. With two exceptions…..namely I am using a Wide color space and I left the sharpness on the stock setting because I notice absolutely no ringing with it set on 25.

PM,

I need to go back and spend some time playing with those settings on real program material. When I came up with those I was looking at DVE on DVHS and could see the impact of the sharpness control on test patterns. Real world program material may not have the same effect from this control. But then again, you know how us tweaks are once we think something might be there...

:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man

After the Oscar’s last night, I think “Ray” is definitely a must for one of our next movie nights. Thanks for the recommendation.
:)

Incidentally, my Denon 2910 had problems with the extended viewing option of the DVD so I watched "Ray" using the theatrical option.

Dilbert1

Even my old Pioneer dv333 worked with this DVD (extended). Any idea why the 2910 did not work? One of the first items I need to upgrade is my DVD player!


Originally posted by Dilbert1
Incidentally, my Denon 2910 had problems with the extended viewing option of the DVD so I watched "Ray" using the theatrical option.

Dilbert1

rcohen and Penton-

As per the user's manual, the DRC choices such as cinemotion have no effect on 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

Rcohen - are you saying you are seeing an effect by changing that setting despite what the manual says? Interesting.

Dilbert1 - pro mode gives you the ability to adjust all the settings while standard mode does not, as I'm sure you know. I suggest that you should try the suggested settings, but ultimately, go with what YOUR eyes say looks best. Sometimes I like the vivid settings with "Picture" turned down a couple notches, and sometimes I prefer the more technically accurate pro settings with warm color temp. It'll be interesting what my calibration guys says about the settings. He does his work in the service menu and "zeroes out" the settings, so I may not be able to share his settings.

By the way, my calibration is now scheduled for May 4th, the soonest I could hook up with my calibration guy - as I've posted before he is getting a $21,000 photo research RP-650 colorimeter with special software and won't have it until mid April.

nhey

That's 4 of the same post.

Competing with Penton man for post count?? ;)

Kidding of course, but why does it do that?

I'll delete them. As I posted, I got messages back that the server was busy, try again, yada yada...

Originally posted by mpsan
Even my old Pioneer dv333 worked with this DVD (extended). Any idea why the 2910 did not work? One of the first items I need to upgrade is my DVD player!

I have no idea. When I rented the DVD the guy told me that they had been getting a lot of reports about problems with the extended mode. I tried extended mode and the DVD seemed to have discontinous jumps in the playback. I just went to theatrical mode and everything was good.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by jp2
Hello All,
I still can't seem to find a good source for the d-theater tapes. I emailed the videogon person that was suggested but he replied back saying that he didn't have any. Most of the other online sites show out of stock or out of production. Also, has anyone just connected their antenna to the 006's internal tuner then recorded HD via the i-link out to the jvc? I don't have the comcast box yet with firewire out and wanted to test recording some HD with my current setup. I haven't received the jvc yet either but should shortly. Thanks for any info.

I thought the oscars looked very good. I didn't see the grammys to comparae but if the grammys looked better, I really missed out!
brgds,
jp

Yes, I have recorded OTA broadcasts using my antenna and the 006's internal ATSC tuner via iLink connection to my JVC 40K DVHS machine. Remember, this is a blind recording: you can't monitor the recording on the 006 while it's being made. Tune to the station you want to record, veryify an iLink connection to the DVHS machine (indicated on the LED display on the VCR) and punch record. It's works. Then playback your DVHS recordings via component or iLink connection to the 006. I prefer viewing via component because the DVHS machine's on-screen-display is not visible via iLink input.

I recently bought D-Theater movies from these sources:

http://www.dvhsmovie.com
http://www.bestprices.com

I really, really want to be able to record some of the things I see on DH Discovery. As far as I know the only things you can record are OTA broadcasts using a PC or the Qualia tuner and iLink.

I hope this changes in the reasonably near future. I've seen some musical performances and other things I would like to have.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by brt3
If you want to see how huge a Qualia 006 looks in comparison to a Japanese woman try the first new link mentioned below:

original Japanese press release
SXRD "white paper" overview
home page of "The Qualia Movement"

http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu14.html
Hey, you guys see that component in the stand of the pic that brt is referring to above (original Japanese press release) ?

THAT's what Penton wants for his next toy (birthday is in Dec.) - I hope my wife monitors this great thread.

I talked to my Sony friend yesterday and asked him about how many movies are expected to be released in 1080i when the Blu-ray makes its debut. He said he was told "dozens" - I hope this comes to fruition.

Originally posted by nhey
rcohen and Penton-

As per the user's manual, the DRC choices such as cinemotion have no effect on 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

By the way, my calibration is now scheduled for May 4th, the soonest I could hook up with my calibration guy - as I've posted before he is getting a $21,000 photo research RP-650 colorimeter with special software and won't have it until mid April.
Thanks nhey, you saved me some time in going back into the manual. That's what I thought ....which is why I only took the time to select "Cinemotion" for my 480i source, as described above.

Perhaps you could videotape some of the calibration on May 4.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hey, you guys see that component in the stand of the pic that brt is referring to above (original Japanese press release) ?

THAT's what Penton wants for his next toy (birthday is in Dec.) - I hope my wife monitors this great thread.

Me too, PM, me too...

That player DOES look pretty sweet all alone in that mighty Q006 stand.

I have a December birthday, too, and am hoping my wife realizes that -- since my initials are BR -- I am DESTINED to own this piece of hardware...

;)

Originally posted by brt3
PM,

I need to go back and spend some time playing with those settings on real program material. When I came up with those I was looking at DVE on DVHS and could see the impact of the sharpness control on test patterns. Real world program material may not have the same effect from this control. But then again, you know how us tweaks are once we think something might be there...

:D
Hey, you may be correct, I think it all comes down to the age old argument concerning what looks best vs. what is "supposed" to be the best for us to look at - according to our esteemed calibration disc.

I must say, like nhey, sometimes when guests come over, I'll switch to an input that is on "Vivid" - just to blow them out of their seats - because they are not in my house long enough to appreciate the nuances of the “Pro” mode. Now THAT is an elitist videophile statement - if I ever heard one.:D

Originally posted by colortv
http://www.dvhsmovie.com
http://www.bestprices.com
Wow color !!!!
From what I recall the later choice is MUCH cheaper than the first - which was all I was aware of as a source.

brt - you may want to add that to your homepage if you haven't done already.

Originally posted by brt3
Me too, PM, me too...

That player DOES look pretty sweet all alone in that mighty Q006 stand.

I have a December birthday, too, and am hoping my wife realizes that -- since my initials are BR -- I am DESTINED to own this piece of hardware...

;)
It must be a karma thing....it sounds like you've got the inside line (F-1 analogy, people) to the Blu-ray over me.:(
I just better check out the Qualia Manifesto link on your homepage for more information on this cosmic stuff.:D

Originally posted by jp2
I thought the oscars looked very good. jp
ESPECIALLY - when Salma Hayek was on stage !!!!
My vote for hottie of the night.

I've check both of those sites and most of the dvhs movies are out of stock. I'm wondering if these tapes would be easier to find in Japan. I go to Japan every once in a while and could pick up a few of these tapes if they were available and compatible. The reference dvhs tape "beauty of Japan" seems to be hard to find. I checked most of the sites that people have referenced but could not find it available anywhere.

Also, couldn't you record the HD channels from the firewire port off of the comcast 6412? I don't currently have the 6412, I use d* but may switch.

Thanks for all who have helped with my search.

BTW, the current blu-ray devices from sony in Japan are being discounted because they're already being outdated by other manufacturer's blu-ray devices (ex. sharp). specs like disk capacity, sl vs dl, sd dvd with sl or dl capabilities, size of built-in hdd etc.

brgds,
jp

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Namely, I swear that MUCH of the HD broadcasting on Fox (with the exception of the NFL playoff games I've seen) looks inferior to the HD broadcasts on ABC - despite the fact that both are 720p.

Is this my imagination, or has anybody else noticed this?

CBS and NBC are simply pristine.
Geez color, I just hope that the television series that you edit for isn't on Fox !!!!
No offense intended....in fact, I'll delete that post if that is the case.

Kinda funny when you quote yourself, sort of like talking about yourself in the 3rd person.:cool:

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I know there have been posts about pro mod settings. I am just curious to know if the standard mode is good for most people.

Dilbert1
I think that for guests, the Vivid mode really shows off the 006 for that "Wow" factor but, as you spend more time with the display and become more of a Qualia *connoisseur* you appreciate the "Pro" mode flexibility especially with the warm temp. selected.

Originally posted by JimP

Competing with Penton man for post count?? ;)

Is there such a thing that keeps track of that stuff for this thread ?
God, if so, that's embarrasing.:eek:

OK, BTW, that is how the extended worked. It would jump to the deleted/extra scene, then go back. It was not a seamless inline deal.


Originally posted by Dilbert1
I have no idea. When I rented the DVD the guy told me that they had been getting a lot of reports about problems with the extended mode. I tried extended mode and the DVD seemed to have discontinous jumps in the playback. I just went to theatrical mode and everything was good.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by mpsan
Even my old Pioneer dv333 worked with this DVD (extended). Any idea why the 2910 did not work? One of the first items I need to upgrade is my DVD player!
I'd say the PERFECT match for the Qualia 006 would be the Pioneer 59 avi because it outputs 480i over HDMI - which may prove useful with the Qualia's scaler.

BUT, last time I checked it was running around 9 large so that's about 3X as much as the Sony and Panny upconverting players that hit the market a couple of months ago.

One must consider that the 1080i players are *supposed* to make their debut in Dec. or early 2006 so obsolescence of a non Hi-Def player must be considered.

Now if you demand a player that also churns out great audio and you plan to move it to another display when the Hi-Def players make their debut .....then that would obviously change one's purchasing decisions.

Yes, because of HD dvds I don't want to put too much into it. I have the old Sony 707ESD for CD's Good at the time and not bad now! My audio is way better than my RPTV at the moment!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'd say the PERFECT match for the Qualia 006 would be the Pioneer 59 avi because it outputs 480i over HDMI - which may prove useful with the Qualia's scaler.

BUT, last time I checked it was running around 9 large so that's about 3X as much as the Sony and Panny upconverting players that hit the market a couple of months ago.

One must consider that the 1080i players are *supposed* to make their debut in Dec. or early 2006 so obsolescence of a non Hi-Def player must be considered.

Now if you demand a player that also churns out great audio and you plan to move it to another display when the Hi-Def players make their debut .....that that would obviously change one's purchasing decisions.

Originally posted by jp2

Also, couldn't you record the HD channels from the firewire port off of the comcast 6412? I don't currently have the 6412, I use d* but may switch.

Thanks for all who have helped with my search.

brgds,
jp
I would say yes because that is what I think colortv is currently doing now.
Color.... are you there?

I plan to hook up a Blu-ray unit (when they become available) via firewire to a Moto 6200 which my cable comp. provides....but,you know, if Comcast ends up buying Adelphia - I just may be using that 6412 unit.

Originally posted by mpsan
Yes, because of HD dvds I don't want to put too much into it. I have the old Sony 777ESD for CD's Good at the time and not bad now! My audio is way better than my RPTV at the moment!
Then I would say to get the Panny DVD player if you want to be able to sleep well at night.(which is what I have and I sleep like a log.)

If you Have to Have 480i over HDMI and like to live dangerously (tray locking problems and disc not playing problems for alot of owners) then I would say go with the Sony without hesitation - because it is an outstanding performer for its price point.

Yes, I heard the Sony is great. I had thought I saw somewhere that the locking is fixed, but do not know where I saw it.


Originally posted by Penton-Man
Then I would say to get the Panny DVD player if you want to be able to sleep well at night.(which is what I have and I sleep like a log.)

If you Have to Have 480i over HDMI and like to live dangerously (tray locking problems and disc not playing problems for alot of owners) then I would say go with the Sony without hesitation - because it is an outstanding performer for its price point.

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I really, really want to be able to record some of the things I see on DH Discovery. As far as I know the only things you can record are OTA broadcasts using a PC or the Qualia tuner and iLink.

I hope this changes in the reasonably near future. I've seen some musical performances and other things I would like to have.

Dilbert1

I assume your STB doesn't have Firewire. The Comcast cable box does, and I've recorded a bunch of great Discovery HD on the DVR and bounced it off to DHVS via Firewire. I think there's some service that can modify a DirecTV box to include a Firewire port, but not sure.

Originally posted by jp2


Also, couldn't you record the HD channels from the firewire port off of the comcast 6412? I don't currently have the 6412, I use d* but may switch.

Yes, I do it routinely. I recently banked several very high quality 1080i movies from HBO-HD onto DVHS, including the Matrix films. They look almost as good as D-Theater which is pretty amazing considering the content comes to my house via cable TV, recorded initially on the 6412 DVR, then dumped off to tape. Old school thinking tells me that the tapes shouldn't look as incredible as they do. But they are stunning.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Geez color, I just hope that the television series that you edit for isn't on Fox !!!!
No offense intended....in fact, I'll delete that post if that is the case.

Kinda funny when you quote yourself, sort of like talking about yourself in the 3rd person.:cool:

Penton,

No offense taken! The show I work on is produced in 1080/24p and downconverted to 720p for ABC. In spite of the downcovert, it still looks damned good on the 006. But there's no doubt that 720p ABC and Fox are not as crisp as the 1080i channels. I'm not going to complain too much - 24 and Idol look AMAZING on Fox!

Originally posted by mpsan
Yes, I heard the Sony is great. I had thought I saw somewhere that the locking is fixed, but do not know where I saw it.

I have the Sony player and love it. Not one problem with it yet, but if I do I'll get it fixed. Penton reported a couple of weeks ago that there may be a firmware fix at the repair centers to solve the problem. I'm not inclined to mess with mine for now since it's been trouble-free. I have mine set at 480i and it makes VERY pretty pictures! Hard to believe standard def DVD's can look that good. Credit the scaler in the Qualia for doing a great job of massaging those pixels.

Originally posted by colortv
I assume your STB doesn't have Firewire. The Comcast cable box does, and I've recorded a bunch of great Discovery HD on the DVR and bounced it off to DHVS via Firewire. I think there's some service that can modify a DirecTV box to include a Firewire port, but not sure.

Here is the information for the company that provides firewire connections for all the various STB units including Direct TV. This may be a good time to consider the purchase as they have a huge discount sale in progress. I have one of their conversions and it is trouble free. I sent them my STB to be modified and the turnaround was quick. You will also need a JVC D-VHS tape machine to record the output. You can output to a HDD instead of the D-VHS.




169time.com
Record HDTV from satellite

http://www.169time.com


Stew

What's the effect once DirectTV changes to MPEG4. Won't the current receiver be useless??

Originally posted by colortv
I have the Sony player and love it. Not one problem with it yet, but if I do I'll get it fixed. Penton reported a couple of weeks ago that there may be a firmware fix at the repair centers to solve the problem. I'm not inclined to mess with mine for now since it's been trouble-free. I have mine set at 480i and it makes VERY pretty pictures! Hard to believe standard def DVD's can look that good. Credit the scaler in the Qualia for doing a great job of massaging those pixels.
Yep, I did post that. Afterwards, I've found out that apparently they are also changing some parts inside the units so it's not simply a firmware fix.
I haven't kept up with the Sony player on a day to day basis but, to the best of my knowledge .....as it stands now.... if you have problems - you send it to their Laredo, Texas service center and they either fix it or offer you a refund.

I'm really tempted to buy one because I need one for another display in the house but, I may wait for a few months to see if Sony comes out with a brand new version with all the problems already inherently fixed. For Qualia 006 owners, it is a definite interim choice to consider before 1080i players.

Originally posted by colortv
Penton,
But there's no doubt that 720p ABC and Fox are not as crisp as the 1080i channels. I'm not going to complain too much - 24 and Idol look AMAZING on Fox!
As I mentioned in a prior post, do you see any appreciable difference between ABC and Fox on our Qualia 006 displays in regards to 720p broadcasts, I think I do, but, perhaps everytime I'm watching Fox I've been partaking of the grape to excess.:D

C'mon Casey,
Break away from your 006 and post some comments or more pics.

Prospective buyers need more newbie owner stuff before the next batch of Qualias get off-loaded from the boat.

I'am hoping all you 006 owners see who can post the best,most detailed screenshots, make it like a small contest or something. We can grade them on a scale of 1-10. Contest begins NOW! Go

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Wow color !!!!
From what I recall the later choice is MUCH cheaper than the first - which was all I was aware of as a source.

brt - you may want to add that to your homepage if you haven't done already.

Done...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I must say, like nhey, sometimes when guests come over, I'll switch to an input that is on "Vivid" - just to blow them out of their seats - because they are not in my house long enough to appreciate the nuances of the “Pro” mode. Now THAT is an elitist videophile statement - if I ever heard one.:D

Your secret is out -- another guilty pleasure of Qualia ownership revealed! Along with -- of course -- the elitist pleasure of tossing another stack of hundreds into the fire as we bask in our Jacuzzis whist drinking Cliquot from a glass perched daintily between the breasts of our supermodel/bimbo-of-the-month/girlfriend...

Or should that be "girlfriends"?

:D

As if...

Besides which, I'm not sure if you can say the "B" word in America these days without being fined by the FCC...

Originally posted by brt3
Your secret is out -- another guilty pleasure of Qualia ownership revealed! Along with -- of course -- the elitist pleasure of tossing another stack of hundreds into the fire
How true.....

Did I mention that whilst during commercials, I sometimes retire to the “bauth” room to have a “movement” and wipe myself with $10. bills.
:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
As I mentioned in a prior post, do you see any appreciable difference between ABC and Fox on our Qualia 006 displays in regards to 720p broadcasts, I think I do, but, perhaps everytime I'm watching Fox I've been partaking of the grape to excess.:D

It's hard to make that type of comparison, because production techniques and equipment vary from show to show. For example, Fox's Americal Idol is shot at CBS Television City in Hollywood on Sony 1080i studio cameras and downcoverted to 720p for the Fox live broadcast. CBS is firmly in the 1080 camp even for a valuable client like Amercian Idol. But all the Idol prelims and remotes were shot with Panny 720p cameras. The show looks really good even when they have mixed between sources.

24 which is shot on film looks great too, but the quality of the image varies within the show. Notice the grainy darkly lit interiors of CTU versus pristine, grain-free exteriors. Different speed film stocks are used which creates a different "look" within the show. On other shows, different production techniques and post production facilities can add or detract to the quality of the shows, as does all the signal processing within the networks and their affiliates. Not to mention the handling of those signals by cable and satellite providers.

So it's very hard for me to say that Fox doesn't look as good as ABC. I think the only true test would be a simulcast in HD on all networks from the same feed, and that's not likely to happen soon. The State of the Union address was recently simulcast in HD from the same pool cameras on all networks - too bad I missed most of it because that would have been an interesting comparison. Maybe the next space shuttle launch in May will be in HD on all networks from pool HD cameras - fingers crossed!

Originally posted by thestewman
Here is the information for the company that provides firewire connections for all the various STB units including Direct TV. This may be a good time to consider the purchase as they have a huge discount sale in progress.
169time.com
Record HDTV from satellite

http://www.169time.com


Stew
Nice link Stew, thanks.

Originally posted by colortv
24 which is shot on film looks great too, but the quality of the image varies within the show. Notice the grainy darkly lit interiors of CTU versus pristine, grain-free exteriors. Different speed film stocks are used which creates a different "look" within the show.
Something else I noticed in regards to the above was that the interiors on NCIS (which I assume is supposed to be on the Potmac?) appear much more grainy to me on the Qualia 006 compared to the outside scenes despite the fact that we are dealing with CBS (1080i).

Take a look next time you get a chance.

PM,

Here's the thread for 169time...

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=184147&highlight=169time.com

Originally posted by nhey
rcohen and Penton-

As per the user's manual, the DRC choices such as cinemotion have no effect on 480p, 720p, or 1080i.

Rcohen - are you saying you are seeing an effect by changing that setting despite what the manual says? Interesting.

Maybe I'm imagining it, but motion looks a *lot* smoother to me in Cinemotion, with 1080i. In the menu, those settings are disabled in 480p and 720p, but they are enabled in 1080i. That makes sense, because those settings are related to the deinterlacer.

Originally posted by thestewman
Here is the information for the company that provides firewire connections for all the various STB units including Direct TV.


Stew

Nice find Stew, I know I am so damn rich, I shouldn't have to ask, but how much did it cost and what is the turn around time?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Did I mention that whilst during commercials, I sometimes retire to the “bauth” room to have a “movement” and wipe myself with $10. bills.
:D

:p

PM,

Without your sense of humor this thread would be a much drier place...

$ 10 Bills are now officially called Penton-Paper or a.k.a. PP notes.


Damn Penton that explains it..................I think I got one of your used $10 bills as change the other day from my Cierge.


Now for those whom might have cast aspersions we now have unequivocal evidence that Penton is NOT an elitist.................all educated people agree that a true elitist only wipes with C notes.



See what waiting on the 006 does to a guy! My set must be coming by Donkey.

Originally posted by JimP
What's the effect once DirectTV changes to MPEG4. Won't the current receiver be useless??

JimP, In a single word, yes! D* is supposed to give us generic new boxes with a trade-in. It's just so hard to say when all this is going to happen, because D* keeps all the details of what they are doing so close to the vest.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777




See what waiting on the 006 does to a guy! My set must be coming by Donkey. [/B]

That's just over the mountains, MM, they'll switch to Camel thru the deserts!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Did I mention that whilst during commercials, I sometimes retire to the “bauth” room to have a “movement” and wipe myself with $10. bills.
:D

Now that's funny! LOL

Originally posted by colortv
24 which is shot on film looks great too, but the quality of the image varies within the show. Notice the grainy darkly lit interiors of CTU versus pristine, grain-free exteriors. Different speed film stocks are used which creates a different "look" within the show. On other shows, different production techniques and post production facilities can add or detract to the quality of the shows, as does all the signal processing within the networks and their affiliates. Not to mention the handling of those signals by cable and satellite providers.



color, I thought 24 was intentionally filmed with the grainy images to give it sort of a gritty look. It's been like this since season 1, and people would complain how grainy it looked, but it was stated this was by intention

Originally posted by NorthJersey
color, I thought 24 was intentionally filmed with the grainy images to give it sort of a gritty look. It's been like this since season 1, and people would complain how grainy it looked, but it was stated this was by intention

Yes, true. It was my intention to say that in my post. The grainy interiors look that way for a reason. Dim lighting and high speed film stock = grain.

Color TV...Thanks, on another forum they thought I was nuts telling them it was grainy for an effect. They still thought something was wrong...

Originally posted by Zechman

Advocacy for something that isn't available yet is quite another.

It serves no purpose to come into an owner's thread and tell owners that they shouldn't have bought what they did. To put it under the guise of "warning prospective owners" is flawed because that's not really the audience you'll find here. (Which I guess is kind of odd to say, since I'm a prospective Qualia owner....)

It would be just as bad if I went into a "Samsung HLP tweaks" thread and posted something about how the picture quality of the 006 is so much better and doesn't have rainbows.

--Dwayne [/B]

Your analogue posted above is flawed, because the Samsung DLP is using a totally different form of technology than the LCoS bases engine of the Sony 006, LG and JVC. There are many different forms of technology used in HDTV sets today: CRT, LCD, DLP, SED, Plamsa and LCoS. All of which have their pros and cons, but since this thread deals with potential owners of the 006, and the 006 is a LCoS based set, your comments should deal with sets offering the same. On a personal note, I am perplexed as to your quandary in regards to the potential purchase of the Sony Qualia 006. It seems as if you have already made up your mind concerning the purchase. For starters your arguments are: It is available now vs. later in the year for the LCoS based LG and JVC, you have no problems with the price and can clearly afford it, you can justify $13000 for a TV, and you believe the picture quality of the 006 will still reign superior even after the release of the LG and JVC LCoS sets, despite a handful of eyewitness accounts to the contrary. My question to you then is, if you believe these statements to be true, why have not you run to or called your nearest Qualia dealer and procured one of these sets immediately? (Whom do I collect my cut of the commission from? :))

Good news. It would be good to get a date code so that when I am about to get a new DVD Player, I could get an idea if I was getting a new one.


Originally posted by colortv
I have the Sony player and love it. Not one problem with it yet, but if I do I'll get it fixed. Penton reported a couple of weeks ago that there may be a firmware fix at the repair centers to solve the problem. I'm not inclined to mess with mine for now since it's been trouble-free. I have mine set at 480i and it makes VERY pretty pictures! Hard to believe standard def DVD's can look that good. Credit the scaler in the Qualia for doing a great job of massaging those pixels.

>>>wipe myself with $10. bills.

WHAT...the Qualia does not do that for you? Isn't that part of the "Service Menu"? :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
How true.....

Did I mention that whilst during commercials, I sometimes retire to the “bauth” room to have a “movement” and wipe myself with $10. bills.
:D

Originally posted by mpsan
>>>wipe myself with $10. bills.

WHAT...the Qualia does not do that for you? Isn't that part of the "Service Menu"? :D

I thought this was included with the Sony "white" glove service :D

I will have to update to an HD sat receiver when my 006 arrives. Currently I have Dish Net. wondering if the PQ is better or worse on Direct TV. Also does Dish have MPEG4 or 3. And at the risk of showing how much I really do not know....what's the difference? Right now in Geneva NY the line of sight to a Sat is better with Dish, I understand.

Knowledge is power. :confused:

Originally posted by Neo2005
I will have to update to an HD sat receiver when my 006 arrives. Currently I have Dish Net. wondering if the PQ is better or worse on Direct TV. Also does Dish have MPEG4 or 3. And at the risk of showing how much I really do not know....what's the difference? Right now in Geneva NY the line of sight to a Sat is better with Dish, I understand.

Knowledge is power. :confused:

Neo2005,

Both Dish and D* transmit in MPEG2. D* is launching birds this summer that are capable of using MPEG4, which is based on a more powerful ka band. MPEG2 is based on the ku band. The ka band is shorter and has the capacity to carry more data and better compression ability, plus a better PQ. Dish will also go to MPEG4 but has not announced a date. Both are probaby equal in PQ in MPEG2. But to quote jb007, anything not in HD sucks.

Originally posted by Neo2005
I will have to update to an HD sat receiver when my 006 arrives. Currently I have Dish Net. wondering if the PQ is better or worse on Direct TV. Also does Dish have MPEG4 or 3. And at the risk of showing how much I really do not know....what's the difference? Right now in Geneva NY the line of sight to a Sat is better with Dish, I understand.

Knowledge is power. :confused:
Neo –
There is no such thing as an unknowledgeable question posed by current or prospective owners genuinely interested in obtaining an outstanding TV on the Qualia 006 Owner’s Thread…..only inappropriately placed ones (what was that noise above ?).

I can’t help with this as I am a cable guy.....CAAAAABLE GUY :D

But others are here to help…..perhaps sparkysj or jb007 may be of service when they check in.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Neo2005,

Both Dish and D* transmit in MPEG2. D* is launching birds this summer
Geeeeez , I’ve GOT to learn how to type faster(beaten to the punch yet AGAIN) but, us elitists actually have publicists to do that for us………:D

And I am somewhat at a disadvantage as mine is now on lunch break, oh well, they say this typing stuff is good exercise for the digits.

Originally posted by G.B.
Color TV...Thanks, on another forum they thought I was nuts telling them it was grainy for an effect. They still thought something was wrong...
I don’t really mind the grainy interiors….as I can see the artistic value; although, I like it more with period pieces like “Band of Brothers”.

What gets me is the excessive camera movement but, I must say that last night’s episode of “24” was not bad at all on our behemoth 70” Qualias. So, it must also be episode dependent (unless they have more than one director?).

I just don’t think that I will be able to watch FX’s “The Shield” at my normal 9 ft. viewing distance… as I recall from last year THAT series looks like the camera man just took some amphetamine and the editor cuts the segments to the next scene when it seems like the people are still in mid-sentence from the last.

Well, we will see as I think this year’s premier is coming up.

Speaking of premiers, colortv, you know whaz on tonight! Interlaced with Survivor back-stabbers even !

Originally posted by NorthJersey
I thought this was included with the Sony "white" glove service :D
You know…I REALLY should have asked what Sony meant by White Glove Service!

Just TOO much information for my elitist brain to deal with….that’s why I have an army of accountants (now if they can just figure a way to write off the 006 come April).

Ho- Hum…….back to the pool house for a couple of laps before my polo match on the West lawn.
:D

Penton-Man, could you please pass the Grey Poupon! It just wouldn't be the same without it on my saundwich, while watching on this fabulous tv of mine!

You allow food near the 006? Is that allowed in the Sony contract?
Soon you people (I hate that phrase) will have a group buy of signs that say "No Shoes, No Shirt, No HD". Now, do 006 persons eat their caviar on small toast, or crackers? Also, do you add egg? :D

Originally posted by kaduku
Penton-Man, could you please pass the Grey Poupon! It just wouldn't be the same without it on my saundwich, while watching on this fabulous tv of mine!

Does Sony make its own screen for the Qualia 6 or have proprietary screen technology?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Geeeeez , I’ve GOT to learn how to type faster(beaten to the punch yet AGAIN) but, us elitists actually have publicists to do that for us………:D

And I am somewhat at a disadvantage as mine is now on lunch break, oh well, they say this typing stuff is good exercise for the digits.

Penton.

My butler just happened by, and he is an excellent typist, my personal secretary in out with the flu, resting in her personal quarters.:eek:

Originally posted by mpsan
You allow food near the 006? Is that allowed in the Sony contract?
Soon you people (I hate that phrase) will have a group buy of signs that say "No Shoes, No Shirt, No HD". Now, do 006 persons eat their caviar on small toast, or crackers? Also, do you add egg? :D

Very good idea for that sign, I just ordered my butler, Montague, to get to it. And yes, I've ordered caviar directly from Russia for tonights viewing of "Dodgeball" :D

Originally posted by ericlhyman
Does Sony make its own screen for the Qualia 6 or have proprietary screen technology?

ericlhyman,

I think but not sure that Sony does everything in house. Maybe someone else would know for100% certain. Heck, I didn't even know the 006 didn't have a dynamic iris.:D

Originally posted by sparkysj
Neo2005,

Both Dish and D* transmit in MPEG2. D* is launching birds this summer that are capable of using MPEG4, which is based on a more powerful ka band. MPEG2 is based on the ku band. The ka band is shorter and has the capacity to carry more data and better compression ability, plus a better PQ. Dish will also go to MPEG4 but has not announced a date. Both are probaby equal in PQ in MPEG2. But to quote jb007, anything not in HD sucks.

I don't know if you intended it, but MPEG 2 and 4 have nothing to do with Ku or Ka bands. MPEG is pretty much a framework for image and sound transportation, not transmission. MPEG 4 is a superset and backward compatible with 2 and depending on implementation can have poorer PQ than 2, although this is unlikely. It is quite possible that the new MPEG 4 implementation will not be that different in PQ than MPEG 2 and just yield more channels.

Paul

Originally posted by Penton-Man
What gets me is the excessive camera movement but, I must say that last night’s episode of “24” was not bad at all on our behemoth 70” Qualias. So, it must also be episode dependent (unless they have more than one director?).

Speaking of premiers, colortv, you know whaz on tonight! Interlaced with Survivor back-stabbers even !

24 has at least 3 different directors. Last night's show was directed by Jon Cassar who I think is one of the creators of the series. But all the directors must follow the guidelines for the series to keep the style in tact from week to week.

Hopefully Amazing Race 7 which premieres tonight will be the last AR season shot in SD. Fingers crossed that HDV or some other new highly portable HD camera will make HD feasible for reality shows. Still, CBS does a decent job of scaling up AR to 1080i. For grins, switch back and forth between the analog and digital CBS channels to see the difference. It's a huge difference. Even our Qualias don't make the NTSC channel look as good as the CBS digital channel.

Penton, check your PM

Originally posted by paulbf1
I don't know if you intended it, but MPEG 2 and 4 have nothing to do with Ku or Ka bands. MPEG is pretty much a framework for image and sound transportation, not transmission. MPEG 4 is a superset and backward compatible with 2 and depending on implementation can have poorer PQ than 2, although this is unlikely. It is quite possible that the new MPEG 4 implementation will not be that different in PQ than MPEG 2 and just yield more channels.

Paul

You are right, of course, I'm just a simple MD. I would hope the PQ would be better, since that's what we have been waiting on. Can MPEG2 transport ka bands?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I can’t help with this as I am a cable guy.....CAAAAABLE GUY :D

But others are here to help…..perhaps sparkysj or jb007 may be of service when they check in.

Okay, I'm a DirecTV guy. It's a mixed bag. HDNet is pretty standard, because the network has minimum bandwidth/maximum compression requirements for any system that carries it. DTV does give better PQ to HBO-HD and Showtime-HD than UHD, Discovery-HD and ESPN-HD. The locals are mixed in from your over-the-air antenna, so that will vary by location. (In my case, in the DC area, I get pretty good digital channels for all networks but UPN.) The "national HD feeds" are a mixed bag--I only qualify for NBC and FOX. There's one HD PPV channel, but I don't do PPV as a rule. Also, I don't do NFL Sunday Ticket, but during football season there were 8-10 channels dedicated to HD NFL games.

The biggest complaint about HD on DirecTV is that there just aren't very many channels. One of the reasons for the new satellites and the MPEG4 conversion is to provide HD Local-in-Local service for more markets than NY and LA, but I hope it also translates into an expanded HD package. (I'd like to see Starz-HD, for instance.)

Then again, when you consider how successful Voom has been :rolleyes:, I doubt any cable or satellite carrier is going to think there's heavy demand for lots of HD channels any time soon. :(

--Dwayne

Originally posted by sparkysj
You are right, of course, I'm just a simple MD. I would hope the PQ would be better, since that's what we have been waiting on. Can MPEG2 transport ka bands?

Ku is the transport, carrier or transmission medium. The payload or data is the MPEG data. You can transmit any video, audio or data via Ku (or any band) providing it meets the bandwidth limitations.

Paul

Originally posted by thestewman
Here is the information for the company that provides firewire connections for all the various STB units including Direct TV. This may be a good time to consider the purchase as they have a huge discount sale in progress. I have one of their conversions and it is trouble free. I sent them my STB to be modified and the turnaround was quick. You will also need a JVC D-VHS tape machine to record the output. You can output to a HDD instead of the D-VHS.



You might also want to look at the competing product, especially if you prefer to record to HDD or do a lot of unattended recordings. The R5000-hd has a nice PC based PVR.


http://www.r5000-hd.com


-Techtom

Originally posted by ericlhyman
Does Sony make its own screen for the Qualia 6 or have proprietary screen technology?
G.B. may be helpful concerning that sort of stuff.

Originally posted by sparkysj
You are right, of course, I'm just a simple MD.
There is nothing “Simple” about making life and death decisions on the spur of the moment with having had no sleep for the past 30 hours or so……AND doing the same thing over again every third or fourth night for several YEARS …..at the same time being paid an hourly wage that equates to about the same as the Chief burger flipper at your local Burger King.

There’s your PAT, sparky.

I think that what makes this Owner’s thread special is the fact that we have current and prospective Qualia 006 owners (and some righteous passer-bys like wojtek, and most recently paulbf1 and Techtom ) all contributing something helpful to others (rather than simply living their lives vicariously through their keyboards for the sake of argumentative one up-manship).

It varies from the advanced tweakophile advice to allow some of us to ascend the videophile learning curve at a more advanced rate….to the primal exuberance of the newest of newbies exhibiting their ecstasy at the site of the Qualia 006’s picture – that some of us have become too jaded or *seasoned”* to unabashedly exhibit publicly in an open forum.

That’s a Group PAT.

And what’s even more extraordinary is the fact that you’ve got people here that are pro-active ….such as kuduku…willing to take the time and effort to procure a custom protective cover for another Qualia 006 owner…..to colortv who presented an unsolicited offer to do a personal videophilic favor for me.

I think it all indirectly indicates the inherent happiness we all feel with our Qualia 006 purchase.

Kuduku – Heads up….Grey Poupon on its way over to you !
:D

Originally posted by pepco
I'am hoping all you 006 owners see who can post the best,most detailed screenshots, make it like a small contest or something. We can grade them on a scale of 1-10. Contest begins NOW! Go

Just got my 1st digital camera (Sony DSC-P200). Memory Stick pics look excellent on my 006. Don't know jet what settings to use.

A few more shots

Thats a Salamader stand with all adjustable shelfs. Fits all my components:Laser Disk; D-VHS; VOOM box; DVD; B&W center; Turntable (on pull-out shelf) and 7.1 Receiver + Cable Card in 006.

One last one

Originally posted by manfredc
Thats a Salamader stand with all adjustable shelfs. Fits all my components:Laser Disk; D-VHS; VOOM box; DVD; B&W center; Turntable (on pull-out shelf) and 7.1 Receiver + Cable Card in 006.

Nice looking stand and HT. Congrats!

SAD DAY!!!
I hate to see VOOM go away, I have really enjoyed it.
It looks like it is finally over:(
http://www.voom.com

Martin

Originally posted by manfredc
Thats a Salamader stand with all adjustable shelfs. Fits all my components:Laser Disk; D-VHS; VOOM box; DVD; B&W center; Turntable (on pull-out shelf) and 7.1 Receiver + Cable Card in 006.

manfredc,
Your set up looks great. Nice decor too! I noticed you got Voom, what's your plans now, since Voom is shutting down at the end of the month.

You too Tulsa!

It will be to bad when Voom shuts down. Thats 35 HD channels with the best HD quality. Had it since the beginning Nov03 to the bitter end. I have Adelphia cable for my local HD since I lost OTA from LA when I moved to Hemet, CA.

Penton-man, If I remember this is what Sony calls the Lenticular Screen. I don't see Patent, or Pending ..They have it on the X B R 950.. They called it a more of a 3 D looking screen ..It is one of the best for viewing at a angel , right to left ,60 degrees top to bottom, others 30 degrees max.

Originally posted by kaduku
manfredc,
Your set up looks great. Nice decor too! I noticed you got Voom, what's your plans now, since Voom is shutting down at the end of the month.

You too Tulsa!
I still have D* and OTA locals but the PQ on Voom was a notch above
all others. Most of their HD was xmitted with normal mpeg2 with full
resolution. That RUSH channel was fun to watch.
Voom on the 006 was really impressive.

Martin

Have you seen this -

http://www.ubergizmo.com/15/archives/2005/02/samsungs_80in_w.html

At $40,000 it makes the Qualia 006 a real bargin!!!

manfredc,thanks for the screenshots they look great, so does your HT.I give you a 7 though, alot af flash in photos. next

Is 12 feet too close of a seating distance for this TV?
I sit that distance from my Mits 62" and I am good.
Also, Is there any cooling fan, or is it silent like a regular tube TV?

Also, any ideas on how I can trade in my Mitsu 62" for this" It's only 5 months old, and I have been annoyed by the reflections and fan noise from day one...

Originally posted by bigsharmoota
Is 12 feet too close of a seating distance for this TV?
I sit that distance from my Mits 62" and I am good.
Also, Is there any cooling fan, or is it silent like a regular tube TV?

I sit 9' from the TV and I'm considering moving the couch a little closer. The image is so good you can get closer to it and enjoy the more immersive viewing experience.

Yes there's a fan, but it's so quiet you need to go behind the set to hear it. Consider the noise of the fan to be negligible.

Originally posted by bigsharmoota
Is 12 feet too close of a seating distance for this TV? I sit that distance from my Mits 62" and I am good. Also, Is there any cooling fan, or is it silent like a regular tube TV?

Depends on the program source. With HDTV sources I've been as close as six feet without feeling as though the picture was worse because of this proximity. The Qualia is so sharp that you really don't see pixel structure. With DVD (I use 480i output over HDMI and let the Qualia upscale the image) you wouldn't want to be any closer than 8 feet, IMHO. SD sources are another matter, but this is because of their (lack of) quality and has little to do with the Qualia.

Short answer: you will be very satisfied with your viewing distance, and could even sit closer if a lot of your "critical" viewing is of higher quality source material.

Also, the Q006 does have a cooling fan, but this seems to be very quiet and is nearly inaudible.

Originally posted by bigsharmoota
Is 12 feet too close of a seating distance for this TV?
I sit that distance from my Mits 62" and I am good.
Also, Is there any cooling fan, or is it silent like a regular tube TV?

Also, any ideas on how I can trade in my Mitsu 62" for this" It's only 5 months old, and I have been annoyed by the reflections and fan noise from day one...

I concur with brt3 and color. I also have a 12 foot distance, and I actually want to get closer to the screen. It's that good!!!! And what fan noise!

As far as that Mitsu, I suggest to sell fast while it's still new before the word really gets out about the Qualia and upcoming 1080p sets. Oops! I mentioned other sets. Sorry:D

Originally posted by Tulsa1
SAD DAY!!!
I hate to see VOOM go away, I have really enjoyed it.
It looks like it is finally over:(
http://www.voom.com

Martin

Hmm, now I have this (almost) uncontrollable urge to click on the Voom ad at the top of this page.

Actually, now that I think about it, I hope AVS Forum doesn't end up getting stiffed out of the advertising revenue!

Goodbye, Voom. I never really planned on subscribing, but I still wanted you to do well, nonetheless. Competition is good, and I was hoping that a thriving Voom would put pressure on cable and other satellite providers to add more HD channels. Now the opposite will probably happen. :(

--Dwayne

"Originally posted by Tulsa1
SAD DAY!!!
I hate to see VOOM go away, I have really enjoyed it.
It looks like it is finally over
http://www.voom.com

Martin"


Not so fast...go to www.voomllc.com for the NEW VOOM web site!

Living on Long Island and working down the road from headquarters and living on www.satelliteguys.us has been very intersting....to say the least!!!!!....!!!

When my 006 was delivered it was set up but no manuals for the stand were left behind. You ask, who needs a manual for a stand? More curious than anything about the ribbed plate on the top of the component cabinet and the thumb screws on each side. Neither seem to serve any purpose. Did the stand come with any info or does anyone have an idea?

texasbluff,
I think the screws lock in the removable top plate that you need to take off before setting the tv on top of the stand. The plate then covers the front part of the tv base. BTW, I'm also in Dallas and have had the tv for a couple of months now and am very happy with it.
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by jp2
[BI think the screws lock in the removable top plate that you need to take off before setting the tv on top of the stand. The plate then covers the front part of the tv base.[/B]

Exactly right; the stand has a recess on top into which the base of the set fits exactly. You attach a strap at the back to lock down the rear of the set; the top trim plate locks down the front of the set...

This could be interesting for Qualia owners in search of more HD content...

http://www.highdefinitionrentals.com/

Now that I've had my Qualia for a few days I would say that 10 feet is where I like to watch the picture. You can go closer but you will start to see minor artifacts in the picture (source material stuff). Farther that 10 feet you have a perfect picture gut not as immersing..

jp posted a while back that he was able to get his HTPC to recognize some standard resolutions and refresh rates on the 006, but we never did find out the details of what those were (his PM box is full at the moment too). Has anyone else had luck synching up their HTPCs, and if so what refresh rates are available at 720p and 1080i? I'm SO CLOSE to making a decision on this bad boy, but I HAVE to know how fast I can drive it with my PC before I drop this kind of coin on a unit that might be half-priced in a year's time! :)

karson,
You can try pm'ing me again. I cleaned up my inbox.
brgds,
jp

Qualia Sighting in MD!

Gramophone, www.gramophone.com , in Timonium, MD (not the Columbia store, though I'm sure they will get it soon) has the Qualia 006 on display. I saw it last night. It is magnificent! It creates the best images I have seen from either an RPTV or plasma device (I haven't seen the new Panasonic 65" unit, yet). It deserves all of the allocades given to it here.

I had a 73" Mitsubishi 9" gun CRT RPTV (73907) for two years, and the Qualia was better than that set in every way, except for absolute blacks, which I feel are a tie. I've been watching HD images now for at least 5 years and am starting to habituate to them (how scary is that!). As a result, it is really hard to "wow" me. Well, the Qualia did just that last night. I think this "wow" effect comes from the fact that there is virtually no screen door effect, full 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution (small pixels), and very clean processing. All of these things combine to make an incredibly clean, noise-free, and detailed image that is striking. And of course, the colors are terrific. If you are a plasma lover, this set might be too film-like for you. I am a film lover and can honestly say watching my non-Superbit The 5th Element DVD that it looked BETTER than film. And I saw this movie in the theater. But bear in mind that I think that most movie theater screen sizes are too large, but that's another discussion.

A relative owns a GWIII Sony 50" LCD RPTV, which I think is a great piece. However, the Qualia is FAR superior to this set. When viewing the LCD unit after viewing the Qualia with the same HD feed, the LCD set looked washed out, of lower resolution, and noisy. So noisy, in fact, that it reminded me of DLP dithering. Yes, I have seen this noise before, but never so prominently as I did yesterday. Very eye opening.

So, if you are in the DE, MD, DC, or VA areas, you own it to yourself to see this set in person. Beware, if you have the coin, you will be buying one!

Damon

Originally posted by bigsharmoota
Is 12 feet too close of a seating distance for this TV?


I am about 12 feet away and it is fine. My wife liked
25 feet but she got used to 12 feet and is fine with it
now.

With a poor SD source you would not like being closer
than 12 feet. You can always split the screen and view
the poor SD source in a smaller window. I have mentioned
this before. The smaller window is about the same size
as my old Toshiba 32 inch.

Dilbert1

The latest issue of Perfect Vision lists an upcoming review of the Qualia 006. I am anxious to read what they have to say.

OK concerning the removable stand thing....if you are not using the SONY stand what do you do then? Thanks.

DANewsome

I doubt if it is anywhere near $10k (cost plus stand plus taxes) better than a 73" mits. My 73" Mits has the 3d like reality of looking through a window.
Just thought CRT-RPTVs should have there picture quality defended. :)

Following this thread with total incredulity,
Bill

Originally posted by Bill
DANewsome

I doubt if it is anywhere near $10k (cost plus stand plus taxes) better than a 73" mits.

(PBF) While the law of diminishing returns certainly applies, it is better than the Mits....period. But then again, I've seen both.

My 73" Mits has the 3d like reality of looking through a window, how can it be better than that? I don't feel like I am watching TV but watching reality. There isn't a microdisplay I've seen yet that can do that.

(PBF) Then you haven't seen it. Move off axis and the Mits degrades much quicker than the 006. It also doesn't have the detail or brightness. Then there's burn-in....

Like you said, it is better than the theater but only with HD, with DVD, you must go to bad theaters!

(PBF) it does a creditable job with 480i. No it's not HD, but then, neither is the Mits.

Anyone who lauds DVDs compared to HD isn't watching on a very good HDTV.

(PBF) And that has what to do with the Qualia???

I don't even want to watch DVDs anymore

(PBF) Kind of limits your viewing, huh?

One doesn't even have to take my word for it. One can buy a Mits with a 30 day return policy.

(PBF) If you want to look at that big ugly box in your livingroom, by all means. Did it ever occur to you that some people don't want that thing in their house, regardless of PQ? My wife, sure as %#& wouldn't want it (I didn't even ask). That's why I didn't consider HD until the smaller cabinets of the microdisplays became available. Then it was just waiting for the PQ to reach where I thought it was worth the purchase.

...snip... However, if money is no object, what the hell, buy the Qualia.

(PBF)....Gee....thanks dad! :D

[/B]

paulbf1,

I edited my post, I think I caused offense and hit a nerve. :)

My wife and I think the piano lacquer wood burl cabinet looks pretty good, now I've taken offense.

Originally posted by Bill
DANewsome

I doubt if it is anywhere near $10k (cost plus stand plus taxes) better than a 73" mits. My 73" Mits has the 3d like reality of looking through a window, I don't feel like I am watching TV but watching reality. There isn't a micro-display I've seen yet that can do that. The Qualia can only look slightly better if it is receiving a true 1920x1080 signal. I don't even want to watch DVDs anymore (no feeling of watching reality). One doesn't even have to take my word for it. One can buy a Mits with a 30 day return policy. Now it isn't going to look like that in the store our out of the box but when adjusted, it will. However, if money is no object, what the hell, buy the Qualia. Now, unless they can put high end CRTs (which are better than a Qualia) in RPTVs for less money in the future, I'll probably end up with a micro-display someday.

Following this thread with total incredulity,
Bill

Bill,

Have you seen an 006 in person? Are you guessing that it's only "slightly better" than a 73" mits?

Those of us that own an 006 may be relutant to deal with the "next big thing" in a year or so ourselves. For now, having seen both the Mits 73" and Qualia 006, there's no doubt which one makes prettier picture. Even if you exclude SXRD vs CRT, other considerations such as viewing angles, overall bulk of the unit, digital connectivity, ATSC tuner, scaling of SD sources, no burn-in (no need to do ugly stretching of 4:3 video), ready to go without professional tweaking, etc. add up to push the 006 well above anything else out there ... for now. No doubt better stuff will come in the future, but right now I don't think the Qualia 006 has any peers in the RPTV class.

colortv

No, I haven't seen one but when I do I'll report back on if it is worth $10k more to me. Have you seen a totally tweaked 73"? How about a >10,000:1 (high end CRT's have >30,000:1) contrast ratio vs 3,000:1 for the Qualia?

Originally posted by Bill
DANewsome

I doubt if it is anywhere near $10k (cost plus stand plus taxes) better than a 73" mits. My 73" Mits has the 3d like reality of looking through a window.
Just thought CRT-RPTVs should have there picture quality defended. :)

Following this thread with total incredulity,
Bill

Bill:

You have the right to defend the PQ of CRT RPTVs the same way the owners of CRT front projectors have the right to defend their PQ against the digital projectors, the same way the afficionados of Silver Halide camera film have the right to defend their PQ against digital cameras, etc, etc - but all of these are roadkill on the inevitable digital highway, despite their PQ superiority.

And while I do not doubt for a second that the 73" CRT Mitsu projects an awesome picture, I (and many others) would never consider it due to its bulk, burn-in potential, and CRT alignment requirements - coincidentally the same problems that the CRT front projectors present, while offering an unequivocally superior picture.

So I for one am glad you post here - the 73" CRT Mitsu is certainly an option if one considers Qualia 006 - the same way a Sony G90 FP is an option if one considers a Qualia 004.

But there is no free lunch - those who choose the superior quality of CRT RPTV better get ready for the well-known shortcomings of the tube - and that is not a knock.

Originally posted by Bill
paulbf1,

I edited my post, I think I caused offense and hit a nerve. :)

My wife and I think the piano lacquer wood burl cabinet looks pretty good, now I've taken offense.

Bill,

No offense taken.

Beauty, though, is in the eye.... My wife prefers light, Danish style furniture. That thing would be the elephant in the room.

Paul

Originally posted by Bill
colortv

No, I haven't seen one but when I do I'll report back on if it is worth $10k more to me. Have you seen a totally tweaked 73"?

Not to appear rude, but there is a thread for this: Qualia 006 v. ? -- comparison thread -- For Prospective Owners (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=514800) :rolleyes:

paulbf1,

It isn't as big as a grand piano (and my wife is going to bury me in the TV when I die. :)) I have a huge room and I can watch it from 35' away. I was thinking about the Alpha (82" and again not worth the money) but the 73" has a better picture.

jb007

Have you checked that thread? I have posted there with resistance also (not on subject???) I'm not sure where that thread is going?

Good news for potential Sony 006 owners. Sony announced that it is ramping up production on its LCoS based SXRD light engines to meet the overwhelming demand for its new Qualia 006 microdisplay, and will be adding a 60” LCoS based model to their XBR line by early 2006. The announcement comes on the heels of Spatialight, Inc. announcing the grand opening of its new LCoS manufacturing facility, in the Republic of Korea, on March 10, 2005. “The facility is designed with the capacity, at full employment, to produce up to 28,000 LCoS Sets per month. The facility has been specially designed for expansion to a capacity of 120,000 LCoS Sets per month in several expansion phases.” This is truly good news for us all, as production chip yields rise and associated manufacturing costs continue to fall.

sycore,

I don't care how low the price goes, if I can't remove the glare (reflective) screen it is no sale. I have too many windows in my room.

Bill,

...so don't buy it...

Originally posted by paulbf1
Bill,

No offense taken.

Beauty, though, is in the eye.... My wife prefers light, Danish style furniture. That thing would be the elephant in the room.

Paul

I'm lucky, my wife allows me to buy a TV to be a TV and not a piece of furniture. This is the only reason for the micro-displays being so popular and so overpriced as far as I am concerned.

Originally posted by Ed Weinman
Bill,

...so don't buy it...

Duh!

Originally posted by DANewsome
Qualia Sighting in MD!

Gramophone, www.gramophone.com , in Timonium, MD (not the Columbia store, though I'm sure they will get it soon) has the Qualia 006 on display. I saw it last night. It is magnificent! It creates the best images I have seen from either an RPTV or plasma device (I haven't seen the new Panasonic 65" unit, yet). It deserves all of the allocades given to it here.

I had a 73" Mitsubishi 9" gun CRT RPTV (73907) for two years, and the Qualia was better than that set in every way, except for absolute blacks, which I feel are a tie. I've been watching HD images now for at least 5 years and am starting to habituate to them (how scary is that!). As a result, it is really hard to "wow" me. Well, the Qualia did just that last night. I think this "wow" effect comes from the fact that there is virtually no screen door effect, full 1920 x 1080 pixel resolution (small pixels), and very clean processing. All of these things combine to make an incredibly clean, noise-free, and detailed image that is striking. And of course, the colors are terrific. If you are a plasma lover, this set might be too film-like for you. I am a film lover and can honestly say watching my non-Superbit The 5th Element DVD that it looked BETTER than film. And I saw this movie in the theater. But bear in mind that I think that most movie theater screen sizes are too large, but that's another discussion.

A relative owns a GWIII Sony 50" LCD RPTV, which I think is a great piece. However, the Qualia is FAR superior to this set. When viewing the LCD unit after viewing the Qualia with the same HD feed, the LCD set looked washed out, of lower resolution, and noisy. So noisy, in fact, that it reminded me of DLP dithering. Yes, I have seen this noise before, but never so prominently as I did yesterday. Very eye opening.

So, if you are in the DE, MD, DC, or VA areas, you own it to yourself to see this set in person. Beware, if you have the coin, you will be buying one!

Damon

Nice review!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Bill
I'm lucky, my wife allows me to buy a TV to be a TV and not a piece of furniture. This is the only reason for the micro-displays being so popular and so overpriced as far as I am concerned.

Bill:

I've read your posts with interest. However, I find your arguments flawed for two reasons . . .

1. You concede you've never even seen a Qualia 006 in person;

2. Do you honestly believe the peolple that post on the AVS forums pay top dollar for a television because when it is off it matches the rest of the decor?

Originally posted by Bill
Duh!


Duh!

Did you guys see the substandard HD on the new "Law and Order" tonight? Are they using Sony consumer HD cameras or something else inferior?

jb007,

#! Which part of "I don't believe a Qualia is $10k better than my set" do you find flawed? Conceding but not knowing that it is better.
#2 I didn't say that, you did.

Originally posted by mark haflich
With posts like those on this page, this thread will soon reach 248 pages consisting of about 200 pages of dribble. Love those hourly count down posts. A lot of great stuff here. Only three days, two hours, and 79 minutes and 117 seconds until my set gets delivered.



There's nothing wrong with a person expressing his enthusiasm about receiving his set by posting a countdown. Once someone has paid, he is considered an owner and can certainly post anything he wants to on this thread (even if it's a countdown). Just like you are able to post stuff like the one above. I personally think it's great.

wojtek-
I'm glad you stayed with us.

Originally posted by Bill
Which part of "I don't believe a Qualia is $10k better than my set" do you find flawed?
Ah Bill, it’s simple, you just can’t afford to use “Penton Paper” to wipe yourself like the rest of us elitists.:D

Honestly I think even bringing up whether something …..anything be it a TV, car, camera, horse, Show Dog, etc. is 10K better than something else is an oxy moron because instead of defining the characteristics of the item - it relates much more to the personal needs, desires, seriousness of the hobbyist (Zechman !), not to mention their discretionary income.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
wojtek-
I'm glad you stayed with us.

Thanks

Originally posted by mark haflich
Love those hourly count down posts. A lot of great stuff here. Only three days, two hours, and 79 minutes and 117 seconds until my set gets delivered.

So do I.:)

It allows me to relive again the eager anticipation of taking delivery of my Qualia 006.

Man, you’ve got to understand that everyone here hasn’t been viewing the latest and greatest for the last umpteen years. The 006 is their first chance to get ahead of the curve for once.

And for those that didn't have the opportunity to view one....and bought the display entirely upon the trusted recommendations of others.....they hit a home run outa the park.
:D
B.T.W. - The Ravens picked up a great wide receiver yesterday.

Originally posted by mark haflich
this thread has beome a wasteland...

This, and other, threads will change responding to the environment. There is no realistic mechanism for a thread with these constraints to capture enough order to evolve in a competitive fashion such that a Qualia thread can emerge consistent with your requirements. Entropy will have its way.

This thread responds at any moment to a limited number of posts and is at the mercy of the good will or alligned objectives of the people here at the moment.

I have followed all of this thread and have enjoyed almost all the posts including the countdowns. My objectives are to have fun having already bought the Qualia.

Dilbert1

Wish I had a better progress report but I feel the 006 owners should
be aware of this. The intermittent problem that was originally causing
poor PQ had completely vanished for about two days. During that two
days I had none stop blissful viewing as many of you are enjoying.
Then back to the PQ problems for keeps and no sign of them improving.
Sony has had tech support on the phone with me to no avail.
RECOMMENDATION: DO NOT USE THE “WHITE BALANCE RESET”
or the whole TV reset for that matter. This apparently can cause loss of
factory calibration and your TV will never be the same.
This caused a secondary problem for my 006. This could be an issue with
just my TV but I caution you on using these two resets.
TRUST ME ON THIS ONE.
The last word from the Qualia Costumer Service Supervisor is they are
having a field tech evaluate my 006 to determine if there is a problem.
I am starting to have a very sick feeling about all this right now.
It is difficult at this point to maintain an optimistic attitude about Sony
standing behind this product. I will keep you posted.

Regards,
Martin

Truth is, this thread has been remarkably successful in terms of how much enjoyment and information it has provided. That has been due to the interest of some very knowledgeable and interesting people here. I think you are all to be congratulated for bringing fun and excitment to those who are interested.

Thank you,
Dilbert1

Truth is, this thread has been remarkably successful in terms of how much enjoyment and information it has provided. That has been due to the interest of some very knowledgeable and interesting people here. I think you are all to be congratulated for bringing fun and excitment to those who are interested.

Thank you,
Dilbert1

Originally posted by Tulsa1

It is difficult at this point to maintain an optimistic attitude about Sony
standing behind this product. I will keep you posted.

Regards,
Martin

If I knew who you were I would call Sony in support of your problem.

I would expect them to fix the problem pretty quickly or put you on a list to get another Qualia with some sort of rebate to compensate you for their use of your money.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by mark haflich
Regardless of whether I am off or on, I do not match any of my wife's decors. And talk about glare? Boy do I get them.

With posts like those on this page, this thread will soon reach 248 pages consisting of about 200 pages of dribble. Love those hourly count down posts. A lot of great stuff here. Only three days, two hours, and 79 minutes and 117 seconds until my set gets delivered.

I think this thread would be a lot more useful if only actual owners were allowed to post on it. Certainly it would be a lot more useful and easier to navigate. Maybe Sony employees and Qualia dealers should also be allowed to post because of the assistance they could offer err owners.

Other threads could be started such as a potential owners club, that is, the tell me why I should buy it thread including reinforce my decision to buy it while I am awaiting delivery. Another another great thread, the why I won't buy it thread.

Thankfully there are not many posts about problems and inquiries from people trying to make these sets look good like you find on threads for most other TVs. The owners are simply loving their 006's which seem to be performing better than anyone could have hoped. Tulsa's problem is the exception. We look forward to hearing about a proper and speedy resolution. He has a huge investment in his new TV and deserves prompt satisfaction.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
So do I.:)

It allows me to relive again the eager anticipation of taking delivery of my Qualia 006.

Man, you’ve got to understand that everyone here hasn’t been viewing the latest and greatest for the last umpteen years. The 006 is their first chance to get ahead of the curve for once.

And for those that didn't have the opportunity to view one....and bought the display entirely upon the trusted recommendations of others.....they hit a home run outa the park.
:D
B.T.W. - The Ravens picked up a great wide receiver yesterday.

Right on , Brother Penton, you too, Dibert!!!!!! I have enjoyed this thread for what it is, not what it SHOULD be!!!! (no offense, Mark H)

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dilbert1
[B]If I knew who you were I would call Sony in support of your problem.


Me too!!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah Bill, it’s simple, you just can’t afford to use “Penton Paper” to wipe yourself like the rest of us elitists.:D

On my way to the ATM to pick up a wad of "Penton Paper"...

Honestly I think even bringing up whether something … is 10K better than something else is an oxymoron because instead of defining the characteristics of the item - it relates much more to the personal needs, desires, seriousness of the hobbyist (Zechman !), not to mention their discretionary income.

It's called "The Law Of Diminishing Returns". NOTHING is ever X-times better than a similar item at a cheaper price. Is a Maybach 62 really worth $400,000 -- is it even conceivable that it could be 13 times better than, say, a Toyota Avalon? Of course not, but the person who buys one undoubtedly appreciates the hand-crafted nature of the car (and the included container of Grey Poupon). It's always HUGELY expensive to get that last 5-10% increment in performance. So, I may have to switch from "Penton Paper" to conventional TP, but the picture quality of the Q006 is more than worth it. Besides, those bills were starting to give me a rash...

Beware of people who lampoon any of these high-end goods; though Formula 1 racing could be looked at as a spectacular waste of money all of these "pursuits" end up "trickling down" technology that we all benefit from.

So, I (for one) plan to watch this weekend's F1 Grand Prix race on my Qualia 006 -- a hugely efficient way of depicting the hideous waste of Corruupt Western Society in one fell swoop...

:D

Originally posted by sparkysj
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dilbert1
[B]If I knew who you were I would call Sony in support of your problem.


Me too!!
Thank you for the support.
There is a part of me that still believes Sony will make this right with
such a new product line. Just hoping it's very soon.

Martin

QUOTE]Originally posted by Tulsa1

RECOMMENDATION: DO NOT USE THE “WHITE BALANCE RESET”
or the whole TV reset for that matter.
Regards,
Martin [/QUOTE]

Did you do the "white balance reset" on advice from a tech? Was this in
a password protected service menu?

I would expect factory defaults to be password or hardware protected so that you could not change them. It is not reasonable for a user or a calibrator to get access to the factory defaults and would be nothing but a source of problems for Sony if that were the case.

I don't suspect that something you did is actually the root cause for the problems getting worse. I think something is corrupt or intermittant. If
the corruption involves the factory calibrations then the repair is obviously more complicated and may need to be fixed by replacing the TV.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Tulsa1
Thank you for the support.
There is a part of me that still believes Sony will make this right with
such a new product line. Just hoping it's very soon.

Martin
Tulsa1 -
Why don't you P.M. me and I'll see if I can be of any assistance in breaking through all the barriers.

Colortv,

Any more thoughts on the new Sony HD camcorder?

Originally posted by sparkysj
Colortv,

Any more thoughts on the new Sony HD camcorder?

I haven't used it yet, so other than what I've said before, no new info. I plan to borrow or rent one soon. For my use, the ability to edit and view the finished product on the 006 AFTER I have returned the camera is very important. I've been told that it is possible to record an finished edited video to D-VHS, but I have not verified that. I don't intend to purchase one of these cameras, and since there are no high def DVD's yet, I need to be sure I can watch what I have shot when I'm not in possession of the camera. Of course anyone who own either the consumer or pro-sumer version of Sony's HDV camera will be able to watch their videos on the 006 via either component or Firewire connection between the camcorder and TV.

When I have more info I'll post it.

Thanks Color. I am planning on pulling the trigger on one soon, as I think I could possibly use it as a business write-off.

Originally posted by brt3
On my way to the ATM to pick up a wad of "Penton Paper"...

Beware of people who lampoon any of these high-end goods; though Formula 1 racing could be looked at as a spectacular waste of money all of these "pursuits" end up "trickling down" technology that we all benefit from.
:D
Not if your driving a Ferrari rather than a Minardi in Austraila on Sunday.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Not if your driving a Ferrari rather than a Minardi in Austraila on Sunday.:D

Not much of anything "trickling down" to Minardi these days...

Good news for those experiencing trouble with pulling in HDTV channels, using the Sony Qualia 006 OTA tuner. LG has announced it is using its acclaimed high power 5th generation HDTV tuner on their upcoming release of LCoS based 71” and 62” sets. LG’s 71” 71SL1D is a 1080p, three-chip, Liquid Crystal on Silicon (LCoS) rear projector that boasts native 1920 x 1080 resolution and comes equipped with HDTV integrated tuner, CableCARD, TVGoS, DTV Link, HDMI and LGs fifth generation HDTV tuner. I think they will be marketing the HDTV tuner separately so any Qualia owners that can not get a decent signal, there is help on the way. They say you can pick up HDTV stations from far away, with the use of a simple indoor antenna or "rabbit ears". Release date is expected to be around July-August 2005 for the LCoS sets. I have included a pic, can anyone confirm this as the 62” LCoS or is it still the 71”?

Sycore - since you apparently don't know, the OTA HD tuner in the 006 does an excellent job. In my case, in central Jersey, I get all available HD OTA channels. It is better than the OTA tuner in my HD-TIVO, and better than the OTA HD tuner I've had in previous HD STBs.

Mark - glad to hear the Pioneer is still going strong. The Qualia will be a NICE replacement, that's for sure!!! I simply LOVE it.

Note to all other Qualia owners: I know Mark H - he's a great guy, and will be a fine addition to our fraternity once he gets the 006.

The Perfect Vision just voted "The Bourne Supremacy" as having the best DVD picture quality of any DVD released in 2004. Has anyone tried it on the 006?

Saw my first Qualia 006 today. It was being displayed with an HD-Blu Ray DVD player. The demo disc was doing split screen with half being HD-Blu Ray. Who knows what & how they produced the other side of the presentation , but it was impressive.

Mark

Sycore, for someone who does not own a 006, has no plans to, and absolutely never will, you are amazingly well informed as to the seemingly vast amount of flaws, problems and shortcomings with this outstanding set. Almost clairvoyant. I really like the cut-and-paste skills you have mastered from the LG press releases that add so much credibility to your posts. Great information for this 006 owners thread......thx.

Now tell us the truth...............after the government busted your Miss Cleo 900 psychic line you changed your name to Sycore and now you are using those awesome powers just to help us poor elitists out.





You can e-mail any 006 questions to sycore@lg.com



LMAO

Anyone heard of a dealer selling the Qualia in Minnesota? I haven't had any luck finding one yet and I am anxious to see this set. Feel free to PM.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Sycore, for someone who does not own a 006, has no plans to, and absolutely never will,

Motormouth-
The scrawl wheel on your computer mouse is your friend. :)

As soon as I glance at “IT’s” name on the post, I’m just surfing on by.
He could be selling “Penton Paper” for as much as I know.
:D

Originally posted by nhey
[B
The Perfect Vision just voted "The Bourne Supremacy" as having the best DVD picture quality of any DVD released in 2004. Has anyone tried it on the 006? [/B]

Thanks for the heads-up.