Originally posted by Videological
Allright, the 006 is on order... I am now beginning planning for a launch party for some self appointed video expert friends after it arrives and is setup properly. They do not know I am getting this set and it will be quite a big suprise on my turn for movie night... I want these experts to sit and watch and go WOW, WOW and WOW again. Any comments for best WOW DVD's to make me look good would be greatly appreciated.

Videological,

Congrats; hope you get your Qualia soon!

If you really want to impress your friends I might suggest buying a DVHS deck and playing "Moulin Rouge" or "Fight Club" for them...

BUT -- if DVD's are the order of the night, then the new Superbit version of "The Fifth Element" is pretty great, as is "The Bourne Identity". Great discs, both...

Thank you, before deciding to buy the Qualia time went fast now after ordering time has slowed down a lot. I am very excited to get the set.

I do remember the first rule of fight club. I like both those movies you said. I have the 5th element but it does not say anything about superbit so I am guessing I need to buy a new one that is.

Should I use a particular DVD player for superbit? or will that sony 480i over dvi player some of you recommended a while back work with the superbit disks. I think there was another 480i output over DVI player but forgot which one. Panasonic, Pioneer? If someone could remind me it would help so I don't have to go back and read all those pages again. Took me a couple of hours but I got through every post before deciding to buy Qualia. Again thank everyone for their inputs.

Try the Pioneer Elite 59AVi. That should do the job quite well!

Originally posted by Videological
Allright, the 006 is on order. I am not ordering from Qualia stores because they seem to add no real value as far as I can tell other than happen to be sitting in a chair in Qualia store. Same set, same warrenty, same knowledge of SXRD, same long delivery time only difference seems to be a higher price than from outside dealers.

I am now beginning planning for a launch party for some self appointed video expert friends after it arrives and is setup properly. They do not know I am getting this set and it will be quite a big suprise on my turn for movie night. These guys know more about HDTV's than I ever care to. My question is what DVD's have you guys found that I can show that will really demonstrate the best WOW factor. I have a pretty good 7.1 surround setup Dennon 5803 with all B&W's with a Vel sub for the LFE channel so anything with both a great visual and audio track would be helpful.

I want these experts to sit and watch and go WOW, WOW and WOW again. Any comments for best WOW DVD's to make me look good would be greatly appreciated.

As good as DVD's are, you really should show off your 006 with HD video, don't you think? Especially with THAT crowd! Perhaps you have an HD DVR and can record a variety of HD material to show your buddies. Whether or not you like American Idol, the video really makes the 006 sing - and it's only 720p! When you demo whatever DVD's you show, be sure to set your DVD player to output either 480i or 480p to show your friends how good the scaler in the Qualia 006 is. Best not to do the scaling in the DVD player - it likely will not do as good a job as the 006.

Congrats!

Originally posted by Videological
Thank you, before deciding to buy the Qualia time went fast now after ordering time has slowed down a lot. I am very excited to get the set.

I do remember the first rule of fight club. I like both those movies you said. I have the 5th element but it does not say anything about superbit so I am guessing I need to buy a new one that is.

Should I use a particular DVD player for superbit? or will that sony 480i over dvi player some of you recommended a while back work with the superbit disks. I think there was another 480i output over DVI player but forgot which one. Panasonic, Pioneer? If someone could remind me it would help so I don't have to go back and read all those pages again. Took me a couple of hours but I got through every post before deciding to buy Qualia. Again thank everyone for their inputs.

We've discussed this at length on both threads related to this TV but here's a consensus several of us have reached:

With high definition DVD players coming within the next year, it might not be a smart investment to dump a lot of money into an SD DVD player. For a LOT less money, consider the Panasonic S97 or the Sony NS975V. Both excellent players, very well reviewed. You'll be hard pressed to see a difference compared to much more expensive players like the pricey Pioneer and Denon's. Both the Panny and the Sony will put gorgeous SD DVD video onto the screen of your 006. But as mentioned before, don't scale up to 1080p in the DVD player - let the Qualia 006's excellent scaler do that job.

"consider the Panasonic S97 or the Sony NS975V"

Do both these output 480i over DVI? (I wasn't sure about the Panasonic)
And BluRay players won't play standard dvds right? or will they? I'm pretty sure HD-DVD players are going to. But, there's no guarrantee that BluRay players will output 480i over DVI for standard dvds...(though they may upscale as well as the 006---if they play them) A lot of If's--I guess just get one of these players anyway, even if you plan on getting a BluRay!

(By the way, with the latest BluRay news that Apple has adopted the standard; let's support Sony and boycott HD-DVD! One format only!)

Originally posted by Videological

I want these experts to sit and watch and go WOW, WOW and WOW again. Any comments for best WOW DVD's to make me look good would be greatly appreciated.

Congrats Videological,
Don't forget to wow their kids too with "Shark Tales". I also think "The Incredibles" is a must buy.

I would personally match up your Denon receiver with a Denon DVD player like I did. Besides the PQ that a 2910 or 3910 produces, you also have the great sound and multiple other formats (DVD-A, SACD). I have no regrets, even knowing that HD DVD and Blu-ray is coming soon.

Originally posted by spenglerspeaks
I purchased a Qualia after viewing it in Las Vegas. It was sold and installed thru Supercalibrations here in Minnesota. I believe they are an authorized Sony dealer

Congrats to you too Spenglerspeaks! Wow, we are really moving now!

Originally posted by kaduku
Congrats Videological,
Don't forget to wow their kids too with "Shark Tales". I also think "The Incredibles" is a must buy.


Don't forget Miyazaki's "Spirited Away". This film is like an animated
art show with a wonderful plot that has great appeal for adults and kids.
That is my vote for a "must buy".

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Zechman


This is totally the TV for me. Mrs. Zechman liked it, too, and isn't concerned any more about it being "too big". :cool:
--Dwayne

The TV really is fun, especially with a great sound system. If you like concerts
it is wonderful.

I have been finding that, with the exception of movies, I run the system in
stereo mode. My speakers image very well and the sound stage is good.

As I am sure you know, the TV will appear much bigger in your home. My wife just shook her head looking at the TV but I think it would be impossible to go back to a smaller screen now.

Our biggest problem now is finding good source material for this TV. I have yet to get a digital recorder for Dish Network but every day that goes by I regret not being able to record content that I like.

Dilbert1

The biggest problem here in the New Orleans area is when are we going to get one to view and purchase. How is it working with the upconvert from the 59 Pioneer Elite also?

Originally posted by kaduku
Congrats to you too Spenglerspeaks! Wow, we are really moving now!


If that boat would show up we would gain a whole bunch of new owners.

How come we can track FEDEX and UPS but not this important Sony shipment ?

Stew

Originally posted by colortv
We've discussed this at length on both threads related to this TV but here's a consensus several of us have reached:super

With high definition DVD players coming within the next year, it might not be a smart investment to dump a lot of money into an SD DVD player. For a LOT less money, consider the Panasonic S97 or the Sony NS975V. Both excellent players, very well reviewed. You'll be hard pressed to see a difference compared to much more expensive players like the pricey Pioneer and Denon's. Both the Panny and the Sony will put gorgeous SD DVD video onto the screen of your 006. But as mentioned before, don't scale up to 1080p in the DVD player - let the Qualia 006's excellent scaler do that job.

Personaly I would not choose the S97 or NS975V. Given the great scaler in the Qualia, I think paying for a scaler in the DVD player isn't where you should put your money. Get a Denon 2200 or 2900. They aren't that expensive, and put out a superb image, and you are not paying for something that you aren't going to use.

As far as BluRay and HD-DVD, I am suspicious of how well they are going to do with current DVDs, and it is going to be many years before the HD catalog even comes close to what is available on DVD now. Plus I sure don't want to buy a lot of HD disks that are going to be on the losing side of this format war.

I am trying to use a large B&W center speaker with my Qualia. The challenge is that I don't have the space in my TV stand. The speaker is
a B&W HTM2D 33.1 inches wide and 68 pounds. My stand ony holds a 20 inch speaker. I found this on another site (see picture). Can this be done with the Qualia without harming it (i.e. too much weight)? Do you know where to find a product that will sit on top of the Qualia without putting all the weight on the back?

Originally posted by divedude
skoolpsyk,
A Blu-ray player is backward compatible with current DVD and CD technology. Their literature states that and I proved it a week ago by playing a SD DVD I created on the SONY Blu-ray player being demonstrated at the HD Expo in Dallas.

The Sony Blu-ray player uses HDMI for HD output, not DVI or component.

Looks like we are going to need a HDMI switcher. BTW, congrats to all the new 006 owners!!! I am sure by now you all see what a fantastic TV this is, and you are staring into a Benchmark. Oh, Kaduku, I ordered the Inday toslink switcher and it works great, I can highly recommend the company as well. Also, I was reading in on of the HD mags that we shouldn't be surprised if some cleaver manufacturer did not make an HD-DVD/BR combo? Make sense?

Quote: I am trying to use a large B&W center speaker with my Qualia. The challenge is that I don't have the space in my TV stand. The speaker is
a B&W HTM2D 33.1 inches wide and 68 pounds. My stand ony holds a 20 inch speaker. I found this on another site (see picture). Can this be done with the Qualia without harming it (i.e. too much weight)? Do you know where to find a product that will sit on top of the Qualia without putting all the weight on the back?

I think this TV stand will both hold your center speaker and provide you with adjustment for you to bring it forward so that the front of the speaker will be at the front of your 006 display.

http://www.bracketsandstands.com/brackets12.htm

As far as BluRay and HD-DVD, I am suspicious of how well they are going to do with current DVDs, and it is going to be many years before the HD catalog even comes close to what is available on DVD now. Plus I sure don't want to buy a lot of HD disks that are going to be on the losing side of this format war.




Sounds like Sony will have all of their movies ready for purchase once Blu-ray hits the market:


Sony prepares Hollywood films for Blu-ray bonanza
Movies will be available on new high-definition format 'from Day One'
Clive Akass at Cebit, Personal Computer World 09 Mar 2005 --


"Sony is making digital masters of all its films in high-definiton (HD) format so they can be sold on Blu-ray disks when HD players hit the market, the company announced today."




Quick question to srt-10 viper: Is that a Qualia 006 or a 70"xbr?

In the Sony stand I can't tell from the pictures if the front is completely open. I too have a wide center and could not tell if that black support was in the back or front or both. From the picture on the sony site with the girl by TV it looked open. Also exactly how much height is there inside for a center. I have also thought of upgrading my Dennon 5803 for the 5805 but it is much taller and not sure it would fit inside the sony stand. Maybe have to get custom stand built like I saw many pages back from some of you. You guys have very nice looking stands.

Originally posted by sparkysj

Oh, Kaduku, I ordered the Inday toslink switcher and it works great, I can highly recommend the company as well.


Glad you are happy with it :D Did they give you a discount? My understanding is that you can also program this switcher with any universal remote, which I plan to do when the Harmony 880 becomes available.

Originally posted by divedude
skoolpsyk,
A Blu-ray player is backward compatible with current DVD and CD technology. Their literature states that and I proved it a week ago by playing a SD DVD I created on the SONY Blu-ray player being demonstrated at the HD Expo in Dallas.

The Sony Blu-ray player uses HDMI for HD output, not DVI or component.

Thanks for the info, sounds like you are in the know! I knew it wasn't DVI (but I couldn't remember the initials HDMI!)

But do you know if it will pass 480i over the HDMI?

I used to be really upset when I hear the players wouldn't have component outs, but now it doesn't bother me as much...(now that I know someday I'll upgrade to a 006!)

GO BluRay!!!

Originally posted by kaduku
Glad you are happy with it :D Did they give you a discount? My understanding is that you can also program this switcher with any universal remote, which I plan to do when the Harmony 880 becomes available.

I use my INDAY Component and Dig Audio switcher with my Harmony 680. It works great, I hit one button and I can watch whatever component I chose.

Originally posted by kaduku
Glad you are happy with it :D Did they give you a discount? My understanding is that you can also program this switcher with any universal remote, which I plan to do when the Harmony 880 becomes available.

No, they were so doggone nice, I didn't have the heart. That Harmony 880 is really going to be nice, IMHO.

For all us D* guys, and according to the HD Hardware guys, D* will be tentatively be launching Spaceway 1 on April 26th.

Funny, I went by local Tweeter store this weekend hoping they had a 006 to see, they said they are not being sold yet. I told them that the Sony Q stores have been selling them and that people owned them and they said noway, 006 hasnt been released yet. I told them about the owners on the AVS forum and the setup pictures on here, they said you so called owners were planted on this forum to promote the 006 for Sony. Then another guy pulled some papers and said they are expecting 100 006s first week in April. I said 100 for this store, he laughed and so no for the eastern district.They both agreed that they will show up later than 1st week in April.
Sounds like Tweeter is on the ball. You people are not fake owners are you??

pepco

Just curious, when you spoke to the Tweeters people, did it sound like they were going to ask full list price??

Originally posted by pepco
Sounds like Tweeter is on the ball. You people are not fake owners are you??
They will get the left overs.

We here are all fake owner elitists that use "Penton Paper" during our trip to the bauthroom.:)

Yes, I think they said $12999, it was on the paper work they had, I remember saying people were paying 13 for them

Originally posted by thestewman
If that boat would show up we would gain a whole bunch of new owners.

How come we can track FEDEX and UPS but not this important Sony shipment ?
Stew
Stew and Dwayne -
Z boat is now located in the EASTERN Pacific.:)
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~fsinc/yachts/videos/page1.htm

Originally posted by Penton-Man
They will get the left overs.

We here are all fake owner elitists that use "Penton Paper" during our trip to the bauthroom.:) Is that after you sit awhile butt naked eating a bucket of cold shrimp?

Originally posted by ehlarson
Personaly I would not choose the S97 or NS975V. Given the great scaler in the Qualia, I think paying for a scaler in the DVD player isn't where you should put your money. Get a Denon 2200 or 2900. They aren't that expensive, and put out a superb image, and you are not paying for something that you aren't going to use.

As far as BluRay and HD-DVD, I am suspicious of how well they are going to do with current DVDs, and it is going to be many years before the HD catalog even comes close to what is available on DVD now. Plus I sure don't want to buy a lot of HD disks that are going to be on the losing side of this format war.
Keep in mind that the Denon’s you mention only have component out.

I’ve been told by somebody at Sony just last week that “around the time the Blu-ray debuts…or shortly thereafter - there will be dozens of movies in that format available.”

Plus, for those of us that have DVR’s with a limited storage capacity, we could use the Blu-ray the same way colortv uses his DVHS machine to archive material to make more room…yes?

I suspect that most Qualia 006 owners are risk takers – given that many here bought this display sight unseen. This trait will probably transcend to their purchasing the Sony Blu-ray in their quest for more HD content……even if the “inferior” format wins.
:eek:

Originally posted by divedude
skoolpsyk,
A Blu-ray player is backward compatible with current DVD and CD technology. Their literature states that and I proved it a week ago by playing a SD DVD I created on the SONY Blu-ray player being demonstrated at the HD Expo in Dallas.

The Sony Blu-ray player uses HDMI for HD output, not DVI or component.
dive...........dude ! Nice new pic.
That water looks MIGHTY blue to me....how deep you be ?

Originally posted by Videological
FilmMixer

You sure got your TV fast. Faster than the Qualia store people can promise at a higher price.
Actually, Videological, me thinks it's more logical that the sndmixer(I know you really are a pump concrete mix guy) got his display from the first wave that came over around the first week of Jan.

DocDVD was astute enough to get in an early order for the first "boat" shipment. Question is, does he have anymore ???

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
"consider the Panasonic S97 or the Sony NS975V"

Do both these output 480i over DVI? (I wasn't sure about the Panasonic)
And BluRay players won't play standard dvds right? or will they? I'm pretty sure HD-DVD players are going to. But, there's no guarrantee that BluRay players will output 480i over DVI for standard dvds...(though they may upscale as well as the 006---if they play them) A lot of If's--I guess just get one of these players anyway, even if you plan on getting a BluRay!

(By the way, with the latest BluRay news that Apple has adopted the standard; let's support Sony and boycott HD-DVD! One format only!)
skoolpsyk - man that's a mouthful to type,
The Panny doesn't pass 480i over HDMI.
The Sony does, but is rapidly becoming infamous for other reasons.
If you do get the Sony, be aware that it doesn't pass BTB with the menu default settings (using 480i over HDMI) which will necessitate some tweaking via Avia or D.V.E. to get that perfect picture we all desire.

Originally posted by pepco
Is that after you sit awhile butt naked eating a bucket of cold shrimp?
Not at all....us elitists pride ourselves on our regularity during commercials despite the dietary intake.:D

The degree to which we disrobe is dependent upon how much ambient light is in the "bauthroom" making sure the bias lighting is turned off above the camode.:)

Dang! Thats awesome.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The Panny doesn't pass 480i over HDMI.
The Sony does, but is rapidly becoming infamous for other reasons.
If you do get the Sony, be aware that it doesn't pass BTB with the menu default settings (using 480i over HDMI) which will necessitate some tweaking via Avia or D.V.E. to get that perfect picture we all desire. [/B]

I am a member of the "Countdown Club" waiting anxiously to hear about my Qualia. While I am waiting I am hoping to hear something definitive about the best reasonably priced DVD player to use - I had been thinking the Sony but the tweaking requirement has me nervous I have the DVE disc but I would much rather not have to fight equipment.... any suggestions on something that is likely to be a better choice than the Sony? (BTB is blacker than black I assume)

Originally posted by thesirjay
IWhile I am waiting I am hoping to hear something definitive about the best reasonably priced DVD player to use - I had been thinking the Sony but the tweaking requirement has me nervous I have the DVE disc but I would much rather not have to fight equipment.... any suggestions on something that is likely to be a better choice than the Sony? (BTB is blacker than black I assume)

I have the Sony 975 and find the picture stunning on the 006. Especially with Superbit DVDs. I have not tweaked any settings, and fortunately, have not experienced any tray lock-up. P-M posted awhile back that new firmware was coming out, I don't know what the status of that is. I think colorTV has also been using the Sony 975 with no problems. For $300, it's not a bad deal or player :)

Originally posted by thesirjay
I am a member of the "Countdown Club" waiting anxiously to hear about my Qualia. While I am waiting I am hoping to hear something definitive about the best reasonably priced DVD player to use - I had been thinking the Sony but the tweaking requirement has me nervous I have the DVE disc but I would much rather not have to fight equipment....
THAT tweaking requirement is not a reason to not choose the Sony.....if you are not comfortable in using the DVE disc -then I would say to simply go into the Sony menu and choose - CINEMA1, CINEMA2, or MEMORY: PICTURE -2, BRIGHTNESS -2. (basically one has to reduce player Picture/Brightness to get BTB to appear) and you should be gellin!

Hint to color and jb - this is way to make your Sony DVD players look even better.:)

Originally posted by pepco
Funny, I went by local Tweeter store this weekend hoping they had a 006 to see, they said they are not being sold yet. I told them that the Sony Q stores have been selling them and that people owned them and they said noway, 006 hasnt been released yet. I told them about the owners on the AVS forum and the setup pictures on here, they said you so called owners were planted on this forum to promote the 006 for Sony. Then another guy pulled some papers and said they are expecting 100 006s first week in April. I said 100 for this store, he laughed and so no for the eastern district.They both agreed that they will show up later than 1st week in April.
Sounds like Tweeter is on the ball. You people are not fake owners are you??

Well, it is time to point my fake Sony remote control at my fake Qualia 006 and watch the news!!! Being a "plant" is a rough life. Pepco, how do you think jb007 got his name? Hey, when do are checks get here!!!:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Actually, Videological, me thinks it's more logical that the sandmixer got his display from the first wave that came over around the first week of Jan.

DocDVD was astute enough to get in an early order for the first "boat" shipment. Question is, does he have anymore ???

Nope, or I'd have one of them right now. He did get one more than he had originally ordered (he posted to that effect at the time) and I'm pretty sure FilmMixer (the artist formerly known as "sndmixer" ;)) got that one--within a half-hour of it's availability being posted on DocDVD's site.

He tells me he expects five more sometime in the next two weeks, and I'm 5th on his list. Here's hoping his order doesn't get cut to four . . . .

--Dwayne

P.S. Whoever you four are in front of me, take Sycore's advice and wait for the LG set . . . . :eek:

Originally posted by Zechman
[B](the artist formerly known as/B] ]
You know at the Grammy's .......he was introduced as simply "Prince".:)
Maybe it's a retro thing.

Timonium eh?
Do they still have that State Fair where they showcase all the pigs on steroids?

Originally posted by Zechman
He tells me he expects five more sometime in the next two weeks
:D
I think every Sony dealer in the U.S. is expecting "five more in the next two weeks" - here's hoping that your particular dealer has the inside line.:)

Did I mention that Sony made a royal screw-up with the pricing of the 006?
The fools in marketing don't realize that this TV is worth more than 13K.:D

Just finished watching COLD CASE in HD.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
]
You know at the Grammy's .......he was introduced as simply "Prince".:)
Maybe it's a retro thing.

Timonium eh?
Do they still have that State Fair where they showcase all the pigs on steroids?

Penton, those pigs don't get steriods, they just train em real hard.

That's it!!!! The Qualia 006 is a LCoS on steroids!!!

Originally posted by pepco

You people are not fake owners are you??


Yes, you got me! All this time you thought I have a 006. I actually have a 71" JVC and my real name is Sycore :D

Originally posted by kaduku
Yes, you got me! All this time you thought I have a 006. I actually have a 71" JVC and my real name is Sycore :D

I think Sycore is a plant for JVC, "Plant vs Plant".:D

Originally posted by kaduku
I actually have a 71" JVC and my real name is Sycore :D
Originally posted by sparkysj
I think Sycore is a plant for JVC, "Plant vs Plant".:D
Alright you guys! If I find out which one of you brought his name up . . . . :eek:

--Dwayne

Penton: Never been to the MD State Fair, but I have been to a couple of big computer shows at the fairgrounds. There's nothing quite like buying computer stuff in a building called the Cow Palace.

Have been so busy watching my "fake" set this weekend :) It is amazing at how this set brings out the difference in quality in the HD signals.... Some of the stuff I have seen is just spectacular though ("Man On Fire" on HBO HD over Directv... STUNNING!!!!)

Went into the "theater" room today and put up some HD on the DLP HD2+ projector... thinking to myself "this doesn't look too bad..." walked into the living room and the 006.... THIS SET KNOCKS MY SOCKS OFF!!!! The brand new "theater" isn't gonna get too much use! It continues to amaze me...

In regards to SD material over Directv.. The old saying is crap in = crap out.... but with this TV, for me it is now crap in = really good looking crap out :)

Zechman.. LOL...

Originally posted by FilmMixer


Went into the "theater" room today and put up some HD on the DLP HD2+ projector... thinking to myself "this doesn't look too bad..." walked into the living room and the 006.... THIS SET KNOCKS MY SOCKS OFF!!!! The brand new "theater" isn't gonna get too much use! It continues to amaze me...



So let me get this straight, you have a theater room with a DLP projector and the 006 is in a different room. Nice, I'm jealous.

If you go to www.twice.com and register you'll find info about the Sony open house where they state they will have a 70" and 50" XBR based on SXRD technology but no time frame is given other than eventually. Some good news from them on HDMI receivers and dvd changers though!

If you go to www.twice.com and register you'll find info about the Sony open house where they state they will have a 70" and 50" XBR based on SXRD technology but no time frame is given other than eventually. Some good news from them on HDMI receivers and dvd changers though!

Originally posted by thestewman
If that boat would show up we would gain a whole bunch of new owners.
Stew
Reportedly, the #1 bitch topic at the dealer show in Vegas last week –
“When can we get some 006’s ?“

#2 – “Why are the sonystyle stores getting priority?”

#3 – “Why are there so many fake owners on avsforum.” J/K …of course.
:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man


#2 – “Why are the sonystyle stores getting priority?”


Isn't Apple known for shipping the latest and greatest Macs and iPods to their own stores first? Sony is, unfortunately for the indie Qualia dealers and their potential customers (like me), just following suit.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Have any of you owner's attempted to connect a PC to this set? ... over HDMI?

Thanks,
Sean

By the way who is DocDvd? What is the link there and are they a real store?

DocDVD is a sony plant like the rest of us.

Originally posted by mothaselin
By the way who is DocDvd? What is the link there and are they a real store?


Try this link to DocDVD's "Power Buys" page on TheDigitalBits.com site:

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/#power

I'm pretty sure the 006 mentioned there has been sold (to "flmixer" (sp?), maybe?), but send them an e-mail and ask.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by h2osports


I'm pretty sure the 006 mentioned there has been sold (to "flmixer" (sp?)
DSG
His new handle is filmixer (our West Coast concrete guy) and many are dying to hear what audio equipment he uses at home.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Reportedly, the #1 bitch topic at the dealer show in Vegas last week –
“When can we get some 006’s ?“

#2 – “Why are the sonystyle stores getting priority?”

#3 – “Why are there so many fake owners on avsforum.” J/K …of course.
:D
(there I go again, quoting myself........aside here - What anatomical part do we sometimes refer to in the third person to our loved ones?)

The setting – Las Vegas
The participants – a lot of horny men surrounded by Sony techno gear in a big room with only two females in their 20’s (one of which had a wedding ring).

#4 ---Most asked question at the dealer show on Wednesday of last week-
Who are those 2 babes …..do you think I’ve got a chance to get lucky ?

I am NOT kidding, this be true.
:D

Any poop from the SONY dealers meeting?????:confused:

Originally posted by Neo2005
Any poop
Dooooon't get me started Neo - or I'll tell you what the Sony reps probable response was to Question #1.:eek:

Originally posted by Neo2005
Any poop from the SONY dealers meeting?????:confused:
On a serious note albeit as much as I can be…….

They’ve got a new fancy outdoor fixed screen coming out that will allow those with front projectors to play “Drive-In Theater” in the backyard with their friends.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
His new handle is filmixer (our West Coast concrete guy) and many are dying to hear what audio equipment he uses at home.:)


P-M,

I knew it was either "FilmMixer" or "Flmixer." If I had bothered to check back a few posts, I wouldn't have made the error. I guess I was confused, because he had abbreviated "sound" in his original username. (Though at least I indicated I was unsure of myself with the "(sp?).":D )

Thanks for the correction.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
Thanks for the info, sounds like you are in the know! I knew it wasn't DVI (but I couldn't remember the initials HDMI!)

But do you know if it will pass 480i over the HDMI?

Yes, the Sony NS 975V does pass 480i over HDMI.

Originally posted by jb007
I have the Sony 975 and find the picture stunning on the 006. Especially with Superbit DVDs. I have not tweaked any settings, and fortunately, have not experienced any tray lock-up. P-M posted awhile back that new firmware was coming out, I don't know what the status of that is. I think colorTV has also been using the Sony 975 with no problems. For $300, it's not a bad deal or player :)

Yep, nary a problem from my Sony 975. I'll stand by my choice - it's a great player at a great price!

Originally posted by FilmMixer
Went into the "theater" room today and put up some HD on the DLP HD2+ projector... thinking to myself "this doesn't look too bad..." walked into the living room and the 006.... THIS SET KNOCKS MY SOCKS OFF!!!! The brand new "theater" isn't gonna get too much use! It continues to amaze me...

Which DLP HD2+ are you comparing the 006 to? Are you saying that the 006 looks better than a 3 chip front projection DLP? Of course we know that no single chip DLP holds a candle to the Qualia 006, at least nothing that can be bought today.

Originally posted by colortv
Yes, the Sony NS 975V does pass 480i over HDMI. But I have my 975V connected to the 006 via component cables. I can't see any improvement in PQ using HDMI, and the occasionally problem of a double picture on HDMI input 6 is annoying. We're not sure if it's the 006 or some other HDMI problem, but several of us have had the problem. If HDMI was noticeably better than component, I'd live with the double-pic problem and do the tap dance to get rid of it. As it is, component is just as good and trouble-free. No one has stated they see a PQ improvement with HDMI vs component.
color - Have you seen the double pic phenomenon on input 6 using your DVD player hooked up with HDMI ??????

A comment about D* HD picture quality. I have both Comcast and D*.

This is not meant to turn this thread into a flame festival.

My eyes tell me that the quality of the HD signal on Comcast is significantly better than that on D*. Not a minor difference, but a clearly visible, significant difference. I think those of you with both Comcast and D* will agree 100% with me.

Many times after watching Comcast and then switching to D*, I think of all my buds on this thread that have D* and are extremely impressed with the picture quality on the 006. All I can say, is I wish you all had a chance to see the 006 with Comcast HD. You'd be TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY and I think, shocked at the difference.

I've read on one of the AVS HD programming threads that D* is sending out all their HD channels at 1280 x 1080i - even HDNET - which used to have great picture quality. Comcast, on the other hand, doesn't downrez, MUCH to their credit. INHD and INHD2 on Comcast are clearly better picture-wise than HD-NET on D*, which once was considered the benchmark for HD picture quality. No more.

I really hope the switch to MPEG4 and the launch of the new bird in about 6 weeks will help turn this around and that D* will get back to where it was many moons ago.

If you are wondering why I have both D* and Comcast, its cause I'm lucky enough to be able to afford both and I do like to have the ability to get all the HD available. If VOOM survives, I may ditch D* and add VOOM, which purportedly also has excellent picture quality, about on par with Comcast.

I watched LOTR Part II in HD yesterday on Comcast and was ABSOLUTELY AMAZED at the detail I was seeing on the 006. JAW DROPPING QUALITY.

No... I don't work for Comcast or for Sony, and YES, I really do own an 006.

Originally posted by nhey

If you are wondering why I have both D* and Comcast, its cause I'm lucky enough to be able to afford both and I do like to have the ability to get all the HD available.
Oooops, I think that smells of elitism.:D

Penton -

Regarding the double-pic phenomenon on input 6, I can now verify that this ONLY happens when I switch to input 6 IF the channel on input 6 is a 720p channel - ESPNHD, ABC-HD, or FOX-HD. It NEVER happens when the channel on input 6 is a 1080i channel like HBO-HD, CBS-HD, etc. This is hard to understand because I am using the Comcast 6412 HD box that is set to output all HD at 1080i. This is a reproducible effect - I can make it occur by watching a 720p channel on input 6, then turn to input 4, and then turn back to input 6. I'll get the double picture. It goes away, as you know, by changing the channel, so it's no big deal. This has never happened on any other input, including input 7.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
color - Have you seen the double pic phenomenon on input 6 using your DVD player hooked up with HDMI ??????

Oops, now that you mention it I think it was only the Motorola 6412 cable box/DVR that had the problem. I don't recall having a double-pic problem with the DVD player. Duh! The DVD player is connected to input 6 via HDMI and the DVR is connected via component. I'll fix the other post. Sorry bout that!

Originally posted by nhey
My eyes tell me that the quality of the HD signal on Comcast is significantly better than that on D*. Not a minor difference, but a clearly visible, significant difference. I think those of you with both Comcast and D* will agree 100% with me.

No... I don't work for Comcast or for Sony, and YES, I really do own an 006.
Just curious, did you notice the difference prior to taking delivery of the 006 or afterwards?

Neither do I. I don't work for anybody.:)
In fact, I think some of Sony's products leave alot to be desired and I sure wish Comcast would buy Adelphia so I can get a DVR with firewire.

Originally posted by nhey
Penton -
I can now verify that this ONLY happens when I switch to input 6 IF the channel on input 6 is a 720p channel - ESPNHD, ABC-HD, or FOX-HD. It NEVER happens when the channel on input 6 is a 1080i channel like HBO-HD, CBS-HD, etc.
You know anecdotally- I’ve come to the same conclusion with my set top box, the Moto 6200 regarding 720p on input 6.

Originally posted by nhey
A comment about D* HD picture quality. I have both Comcast and D*.

This is not meant to turn this thread into a flame festival.

My eyes tell me that the quality of the HD signal on Comcast is significantly better than that on D*. Not a minor difference, but a clearly visible, significant difference. I think those of you with both Comcast and D* will agree 100% with me.

Many times after watching Comcast and then switching to D*, I think of all my buds on this thread that have D* and are extremely impressed with the picture quality on the 006. All I can say, is I wish you all had a chance to see the 006 with Comcast HD. You'd be TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY and I think, shocked at the difference.

I've read on one of the AVS HD programming threads that D* is sending out all their HD channels at 1280 x 1080i - even HDNET - which used to have great picture quality. Comcast, on the other hand, doesn't downrez, MUCH to their credit. INHD and INHD2 on Comcast are clearly better picture-wise than HD-NET on D*, which once was considered the benchmark for HD picture quality. No more.

I really hope the switch to MPEG4 and the launch of the new bird in about 6 weeks will help turn this around and that D* will get back to where it was many moons ago.

If you are wondering why I have both D* and Comcast, its cause I'm lucky enough to be able to afford both and I do like to have the ability to get all the HD available. If VOOM survives, I may ditch D* and add VOOM, which purportedly also has excellent picture quality, about on par with Comcast.

I watched LOTR Part II in HD yesterday on Comcast and was ABSOLUTELY AMAZED at the detail I was seeing on the 006. JAW DROPPING QUALITY.

No... I don't work for Comcast or for Sony, and YES, I really do own an 006.

I can't make the comparison because I don't have both providers, but I will say that I have not been blown away by DirecTV HD when I have seen it. Too many compression issues on everything, especially SD. I was very skeptical about trying Comcast HD because I have had terrible prior experiences with cable TV. But I have been BLOWN AWAY by the PQ on Comcast! One good comparison is Comcast HD locals vs. my OTA antenna through the 006 ATSC tuner. I can't see a difference, so I never watch the antenna. I expect a big difference, but if there is one it's negligable. I'll say it again...the Firewire output on the Comcast DVR is a huge plus - it allows archiving from the DVR to HD DVHS - a must for a collector like myself.

nhey, which channel is running LOTR II? I've gotta see it!

OK guys, here's the latest from my Sony dealer. This current run of units (not sure how many... 100? 200?) are in Long Beach right now going through post-ship QC diagnostics. He expects them to be shipped the week of March 28th, and he's committed his first (and probably only) unit to me, which I appreciate.

Now, here's the kicker... The price for anyone who doesn't already have a pre-order with deposit for a kds70q006 has been raised to $13999.99, according to Sony's SPPG Guideline document, dated Feb 2005. Whoa. I'm glad to have pre-ordered. That said, dealers are probably not totally bound to the guidelines, but it's possible that if demand exceeds supply...

Originally posted by 3deye

Now, here's the kicker... The price for anyone who doesn't already have a pre-order with deposit for a kds70q006 has been raised to $13999.99, according to Sony's SPPG Guideline document, dated Feb 2005. Whoa. I'm glad to have pre-ordered. That said, dealers are probably not totally bound to the guidelines, but it's possible that if demand exceeds supply...
Yikes,
I guess somebody actually read my post #2824 on the last page (p.142).:)
as below......

"Did I mention that Sony made a royal screw-up with the pricing of the 006?
The fools in marketing don't realize that this TV is worth more than 13K."

Us early adopters are even luckier than I thought.

Originally posted by 3deye
This current run of units (not sure how many... 100? 200?) are in Long Beach right now
Dwayne, motormouth, et. al. -
That means the "boat" has finally docked and I need not post that silly boat video again............at least until our third wave of prospective owners join the Qualia club.:)

Originally posted by divedude
3deye,
Sure glad I already paid for mine. This may be the first TV in history that actually appreciates in value :D :D
I imagine that says to the other 1080p competitors…..
I’ll see your bet and raise you 1K.
:cool:

BLU-RAY must win!

Sorry for this OT, but it relates to how we will pump high quality video into our 006's in the future...

With the failure of comsumer Betamax, surely Sony learned a lesson in how NOT to win a format war. The more you compare the 2 contenders for high definition DVD's, the more you understand how once again Sony has developed a superior technology. Sony and we consumers have much to lose if Blu-Ray fails to win the format war. Here's how I think Blu-Ray can win.

Come to market with a massive display of force:

¥ Not just one $1,000 player, but at least one much cheaper player, even if it's lacks some features and must be sold for no profit or even a tolerable loss. Failure to win the format war may ultimately be far more costly. Just as Toyota is not getting rich selling the incredible Prius hybrid, Sony must take the cue and make Blu-Ray affordable to more than the rich and risk-taking early adopters.

¥ license manufacture of Blu-Ray player/recorders to other manufacturers. JVC won the VHS crown by licensing to many manufacturers, and the lower prices resulting from competition was one of the factors that gave VHS the critical mass.

¥ Sony's studios and Blu-Ray signatories have incredible film libraries. From day one, there should be a huge number of Blu-Ray titles available. And for an affordable price. Sure, more expensive than SD DVD, but not prohibitively expensive. Don't give an inch on price to HD DVD - come in for less. The loss now will result in riches later.

¥ introduce Blu-Ray DVD's that showcase the larger capacity of the disks. For example, Fox could sell multiple Star Wars films on one collector's edition disk. Embarrass HD DVD by pointing out it's smaller capacity.

¥ cut a deal with Netflix (or similar) to have a large number of Blu-Ray titles available for rent on Day One. Not everyone wants to spend huge sums to build a library, especially when there's doubt about the long term prospects for the format.

I'm not married to the Sony brand. I'm an advocate of superior technology. Blu-Ray needs to be the winner because it's the best format for the long term, not just a way of kludging HD onto cheaper-to-manufacture disks.

Geez color....and all that for free !

Nice prose.
And it is NOT off-topic.
Plus I completely agree with you - the superior format SHOULD win for the consumer's sakes.

Originally posted by colortv
Sorry for this OT, but it relates to how we will pump high quality video into our 006's in the future...


One other thing vis a vis this that my dealer mentioned. Last week at the Sony mtg in Vegas he saw a 1080p (!) source inputting to the 006. He said it was freakin amazing. Unfortunately that source machine cost $75k and is in pro-league's only, but it's nice to know that the hdmi interface does support it (which we basically knew all along, since hdmi is just dvi+).

OK ....cable is not available to me...rural Upstate NY. I would then like someone to compare Dish vs. direct HD PQ....thanks1:confused:

h20sports.. Yeah, the Digital Bits power buy set is mine.

Penton... My home gear is all Onix / AV123 / Emotiva.. used to be a Denon guy, but I am loving the Emotiva gear, and I love their speakers, very close to what I am used to hearing on the dubbing stage. And for the price, I think that there is nothing that beats it.

colortv... I was just refereing to the fact that before I got this set, I thought my Sharp XV-Z2000 was a great looking projector.... it was just striking to see how much better the Qualia 006 is...

nhey.... I can't wait until I can get rid of the compression riddled Directv HD feeds.... but I can't live without my Tivo.. I am with you on their picture quality. I have to say that since Sunday Ticket is over, HBO appears to be better than in the past 6 months..

One last thing... since I am a "fake" owner, can I have my "fake" $11,000 back :)

Originally posted by 3deye
One other thing vis a vis this that my dealer mentioned. Last week at the Sony mtg in Vegas he saw a 1080p (!) source inputting to the 006. He said it was freakin amazing. Unfortunately that source machine cost $75k and is in pro-league's only, but it's nice to know that the hdmi interface does support it (which we basically knew all along, since hdmi is just dvi+).

Oh man I have been SOOO wanting to hear that. I have real hopes that in the next few years the HD material will start to be outputted at 1080p and I was very chagrined that my set would have to be downscaled to 1080i. I am so psyched it isn't funny waiting for my set to arrive this countdown thing is never ending.

Originally posted by 3deye
Now, here's the kicker... The price for anyone who doesn't already have a pre-order with deposit for a kds70q006 has been raised to $13999.99, according to Sony's SPPG Guideline document, dated Feb 2005. Whoa. I'm glad to have pre-ordered. That said, dealers are probably not totally bound to the guidelines, but it's possible that if demand exceeds supply...
With that statement…I’ll bet a dozen or so people just picked up their phones to “lock in a rate” as they say in the mortgage business.

Hell, tomorrow morning there may be a stampede on the Qualia toll free numbers.
:eek:

Originally posted by 3deye
Now, here's the kicker... The price for anyone who doesn't already have a pre-order with deposit for a kds70q006 has been raised to $13999.99, according to Sony's SPPG Guideline document, dated Feb 2005. Whoa. I'm glad to have pre-ordered. That said, dealers are probably not totally bound to the guidelines, but it's possible that if demand exceeds supply...


I thought the MSRP of the 006 had always been $14k (via the indie Qualia dealers), but that they were expected to at least match the Sony Store's "street price" of $13k. Does anyone else recall reading this in an earlier post on this (or the "Sony jumps") thread?

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by FilmMixer
I can't wait until I can get rid of the compression riddled Directv HD feeds.... but I can't live without my Tivo.

Who's your cable provider? Don't they offer an HD DVR? I prefer the DVR offered by my cable company - it's got a Firewire port - your Tivo is missing that very important connection! I rarely watch anything live - incredible HD from my Comcast DVR. Sure, it won't "suggest" shows I might want to watch. That's fine - I would not use that feature anyway. At $4/month to rent the DVR, I'll pocket the change I saved from not buying a soon-to-be-obsolete mpeg-2 DirecTV Tivo. I'm sure DirecTV will have a changeover plan, but I foresee that Comcast will offer an ever better DVR than the current one and I won't be stuck with an Edsel. (Well, actually I will be stuck with an Edsel - I own two of them). :)

Originally posted by nhey
A comment about D* HD picture quality. I have both Comcast and D*.

This is not meant to turn this thread into a flame festival.

My eyes tell me that the quality of the HD signal on Comcast is significantly better than that on D*. Not a minor difference, but a clearly visible, significant difference. I think those of you with both Comcast and D* will agree 100% with me.

Many times after watching Comcast and then switching to D*, I think of all my buds on this thread that have D* and are extremely impressed with the picture quality on the 006. All I can say, is I wish you all had a chance to see the 006 with Comcast HD. You'd be TOTALLY BLOWN AWAY and I think, shocked at the difference.

I've read on one of the AVS HD programming threads that D* is sending out all their HD channels at 1280 x 1080i - even HDNET - which used to have great picture quality. Comcast, on the other hand, doesn't downrez, MUCH to their credit. INHD and INHD2 on Comcast are clearly better picture-wise than HD-NET on D*, which once was considered the benchmark for HD picture quality. No more.

I really hope the switch to MPEG4 and the launch of the new bird in about 6 weeks will help turn this around and that D* will get back to where it was many moons ago.


I sure hope D* understands this and what the consequences for them could be. It still seems they are somewhat of a quanity mission rather than a quality theme. Cable has come to grips with quality alot faster than D*. Yes, I get 225 channnels but most is just plain crap(silly shopping network stuff, ect., ect.) much not worth watching even if it was in HD. Bragging rights of the 1990's of how many channels you can get are over! Now, most people buying new HDTVs are expecting a great picture and come away disappointed(just look at some of the other threads), when many times it's the source, not so much the TV. I still have to say and would be willing to bet, the 006 does a better job with D than anything else out there!!!!

Anyone want to order a 006 and have it shipped to me, I could e-mail you my shipping address. I then could review it and let you all know how great this TV is. I would then ship it back to you, if you wanted it back. That would make me sort of a fake owner

colortv... I am in Charter terriotry.... No HD DVR yet.... It will be interestinng to see what Directv does on the switch over to MPEG-4... If Charter comes around soon, I'll give it a try.

PS... do you cut at Radford? I'm mixing over there tommorow...

Originally posted by FilmMixer
colortv... I am in Charter terriotry.... No HD DVR yet.... It will be interestinng to see what Directv does on the switch over to MPEG-4... If Charter comes around soon, I'll give it a try.

PS... do you cut at Radford? I'm mixing over there tommorow...

Yep, that's my home base. PM me with your cell or extension on the lot if you'd like. Tuesday is a crazy day for me, but I'll buy you a Starbucks at the coffee place in the admin bldg if we can sync up.

Originally posted by FilmMixer
One last thing... since I am a "fake" owner, can I have my "fake" $11,000 back :)
THAT my friend is one great price.
Question is......is that price reproducible to Dwayne and the other 4 buyers on DocDVD's list ???

Originally posted by h2osports
I thought the MSRP of the 006 had always been $14k (via the indie Qualia dealers), but that they were expected to at least match the Sony Store's "street price" of $13k. Does anyone else recall reading this in an earlier post on this (or the "Sony jumps") thread.
DSG
Nope, not me.
I've never heard or red (I like my reds on the 006!) the price being quoted above 13K until today.

Originally posted by FilmMixer
colortv... I am in Charter terriotry.... No HD DVR yet....
Are you sure?
I believe that Charter has been rolling out alot of Digeo Moxi DVR's across the country as I think Paul Allen owns both companies.....or is at least a big wig in both.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
THAT my friend is one great price.
Question is......is that price reproducible to Dwayne and the other 4 buyers on DocDVD's list ???

You'll have to ask Dwayne... I thought in one of my emails with Josh that it would be.....

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Dwayne, motormouth, et. al. -
That means the "boat" has finally docked and I need not post that silly boat video again............at least until our third wave of prospective owners join the Qualia club.:)

Hooray!!!

Now where the hell is that truck??? ;)

--Dwayne

P.S. Yes. What was the question again? :eek:

Originally posted by colortv
Who's your cable provider? Don't they offer an HD DVR? I prefer the DVR offered by my cable company - it's got a Firewire port - your Tivo is missing that very important connection! I rarely watch anything live - incredible HD from my Comcast DVR. Sure, it won't "suggest" shows I might want to watch. That's fine - I would not use that feature anyway. At $4/month to rent the DVR, I'll pocket the change I saved from not buying a soon-to-be-obsolete mpeg-2 DirecTV Tivo. I'm sure DirecTV will have a changeover plan, but I foresee that Comcast will offer an ever better DVR than the current one and I won't be stuck with an Edsel. (Well, actually I will be stuck with an Edsel - I own two of them). :)
One thing though. Just as you made an excellent argument that Blu-Ray "should" become the dominant HD disc format, I passionately believe that TiVo "should" remain the dominant DVR. :cool:

On the TiVo section of AVS (tivocommunity.com), my sig is [slightly paraphrased]:
TiVo: my fourth, fifth, and sixth Linux machines.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
Hooray!!!

Now where the hell is that truck??? ;)

--Dwayne

If it's not one thing it's another! I was yelling, "where's the stand!", after they had the 006 coming from Pittsbugh and the 006 from Ca. which was out of sync, then it was 'where's the local delivery guys?", I could see why they didn't want that monstrsity of the 006 box! One guy came in a seperate truck to help out, and didn't see it loaded at the warehouse. The only thing he said when they opened the truck was "daaaaaamn!!!" Just add a country accent to that!

Penton, just passed over 900 posts!!!! Congrats!!! Now you've got just over 19000+ to catch up to Rogo!

Originally posted by Zechman
Just as you made an excellent argument that Blu-Ray "should" become the dominant HD disc format, I passionately believe that TiVo "should" remain the dominant DVR.

If Comcast offered HD Tivo, I might consider one. But where's that Firewire port?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
THAT my friend is one great price.
Question is......is that price reproducible to Dwayne and the other 4 buyers on DocDVD's list ???
I am one of those happy DocDVD people on the next batch along with Dwayne. Lets just say I am glad (provided the dang thing gets here soon of course) to be on the list :). I got the stand as well from him.

Now I just hope I can convince the movers to um remove it from packaging (other than the blanket) and tilt it at 45 degrees to make it around a corner to my entertainment room... anything about that sound nuts? I figured you go at about that angle up and down stairs..

PM I am guessing this is aimed at you... I had read on review below that the Sony 975's HDMI did not pass BTB.

quote:
The HDMI output offers several output resolutions including 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. This makes another player on the market to offer 480i via HDMI. Unfortunately, the HDMI output does not pass a below black pluge and didn’t have any selections for RGB or YCbCr colorspace.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=121

I am glad to hear that a couple simple tweaks will let me get around that as I wasn't too sure what else to buy (and I am paranoid that not going HDMI will cost me a tiny amount of precision despite an earlier posters statement that component looked exactly the same to him).

I will probably try out DVE sometime but I hate doing the "is it faded enough" "is that an exact enough color match" game as I always feel like I am not going to get better than a B :). Perhaps my luck will be a bit better with this set (and I may just throw in the towel and have it calibrated after a 100 or 200 hours of viewing).

Thanks for the support I am just about chewing my fingernails waiting on this puppy to arrive.

Originally posted by thesirjay
PM I am guessing this is aimed at you... I had read on review below that the Sony 975's HDMI did not pass BTB.

quote:
The HDMI output offers several output resolutions including 480i, 480p, 720p, and 1080i. This makes another player on the market to offer 480i via HDMI. Unfortunately, the HDMI output does not pass a below black pluge and didn’t have any selections for RGB or YCbCr colorspace.

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/cgi-bin/shootout.cgi?function=search&articles=121

I am glad to hear that a couple simple tweaks will let me get around that as I wasn't too sure what else to buy (and I am paranoid that not going HDMI will cost me a tiny amount of precision despite an earlier posters statement that component looked exactly the same to him).

I will probably try out DVE sometime but I hate doing the "is it faded enough" "is that an exact enough color match" game as I always feel like I am not going to get better than a B :). Perhaps my luck will be a bit better with this set (and I may just throw in the towel and have it calibrated after a 100 or 200 hours of viewing).

Thanks for the support I am just about chewing my fingernails waiting on this puppy to arrive.


Hey, fascinating. Here's another quote from that article:

"The 975 passed a below black pluge via its component output, and the white level measured in a tad hot at 102 IRE, but was still within our test criteria." ...

From the above, and from the quote in your post, I would venture to say that those of us with 975's should be using the component output instead of HDMI in order to achieve optimal black levels. Is this true or can we use the earlier suggestion (from Penton-man?) to "go into the Sony menu and choose - CINEMA1, CINEMA2, or MEMORY: PICTURE -2, BRIGHTNESS -2. (basically one has to reduce player Picture/Brightness to get BTB to appear)".

??

Originally posted by thesirjay
Oh man I have been SOOO wanting to hear that. I have real hopes that in the next few years the HD material will start to be outputted at 1080p and I was very chagrined that my set would have to be downscaled to 1080i.

thesirjay, now that you mentioned it, I can see where that would truly suck!

Answering a couple questions:

I noticed the difference in HD quality between D* and Comcast HD with my previous RPTV (Pioneer Elite CRT).

D* unquestionably cares more about quantity than quality. Comcast, on the other hand, realizes that HD quality can be a selling point.

I don't recall which channel LOTR II was on Sunday night, but think it might have been CinemaxHD or StarzHD. It was definitely not HBO-HD.

Originally posted by colortv
[B]BLU-RAY must win!

B]

A few days ago I read that 2,000 movies are currently being transfered to the Blu-Ray format.

For the latest news, check out this site -

http://www.blu-ray.com/

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, just passed over 900 posts!!!! Congrats!!! Now you've got just over 19000+ to catch up to Rogo!
He had better watch out !
I'm gainin fast !:D

Originally posted by thesirjay
and tilt it at 45 degrees to make it around a corner to my entertainment room... anything about that sound nuts?
Nope, as long as you have two very strong guys or 4 so-so strong guys... as the more you tilt it.....the more top heavy it becomes.

Penton-Man,

Please check your PM box.

Thanks.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by thesirjay
PM I am guessing this is aimed at you... I had read on review below that the Sony 975's HDMI did not pass BTB.

I am glad to hear that a couple simple tweaks will let me get around that as I wasn't too sure what else to buy.

Well another fine choice (for those of us that simply want an interim player until the superior Blu-ray players become available) is the Panny S975 which is in the same price range.....and although it doesn't pass 480i over HDMI - you don't have to worry about it breaking down like some Sony's have.

In fact, I think there is a thread somewhere on this forum that is running a poll of how many owners have had their Sony players bite the dust.... and I believe it is somewhere now at 25% or so.

Nothing in life is perfect ....the Sony or the Panny BUT the Qualia 006 comes purty damn close.:D

Originally posted by thesirjay
PM I am guessing this is aimed at you... I had read on review below that the Sony 975's HDMI did not pass BTB.
(and I am paranoid that not going HDMI will cost me a tiny amount of precision despite an earlier posters statement that component looked exactly the same to him).

I believe that was colortv and I think that he may be correct. I'm wondering just how overated DVI and HDMI inputs are compared to component.

I had one of my set top boxes running component into the 006 for awhile and then changed it to DVI/HDMI into the 006 and for the life of me....I just couldn't discern any difference.....but I plan to keep switching back and forth for more testing.

Originally posted by 3deye
From the above, and from the quote in your post, I would venture to say that those of us with 975's should be using the component output instead of HDMI in order to achieve optimal black levels. Is this true or can we use the earlier suggestion (from Penton-man?) to "go into the Sony menu and choose - CINEMA1, CINEMA2, or MEMORY: PICTURE -2, BRIGHTNESS -2. (basically one has to reduce player Picture/Brightness to get BTB to appear)".
??
I don't know if you're asking for clarification from me or for second opinions but in case of the former.....
I would say that if you want to keep the player on its default settings and not spend the bucks for an HDMI cable....then run the player with 480i with component out - as Kris from Secrets recommends.

If you've already got an HDMI cable and you don't mind tweaking abit, the above suggestions *or perhaps -1 and -1 as above* will help to pass BTB without the hassle of Avia or DVE calibration discs......and you get the *benefit* of the HDMI digital cable - whatever that may be.

If a definition of madness is to repeat the same behavior and expect a different result, then I have the madness of "early adopteritits". But, this time it may have worked. I put myself on DOCDVD's "list of five" last week, at the same discount that has been mentioned by others for the set and stand. If the price has indeed gone up, then early adoption has resulted in a different outcome, this time. By the way, check out DOCDVD's announcement on the "Front Projectors over $3500K" regarding a 1080p/60fps input for the Q004. I e-mailed him to ask if the mod is going to be incorporated in the Q006. He said no, for the time being; but, it might be a later upgrade. The Q004 upgrade was driven by the computer game development community's need for using the Q004 as a demo device. My guess is that when the SXRD migrates to the XBR line, the Q006 will differentiate itself with these new inputs and the dynamic iris that would improve contrast ratio even more than is the case, now. Does this make four people on DOCDVD's "next five" list now on this forum?

Originally posted by colortv
Yes, the Sony NS 975V does pass 480i over HDMI.

Thanks colortv, but actually I was referring to the BluRay player, but I realize it is far too early to tell. (but wouldn't that be nice!)

Sorry if us second wavers are covering territory that you pioneers have already discussed in this forum. It is because of your first wavers leap of faith and feedback that those of us less bold have been able to make the jump also without seeing the sets firsthand. We all owe you thanks and have valued your discussions and comments highly. Because of your experiences I have felt very comfortable that I am buying a terrific set and one I will have no remorse about.

So it seems the concensus as the best choice for an interim DVD player until the blue ray is avail is either the Sony with the 480i over HMDI or the Panasonic. The feeling is that although the players are not perfect they do a very good job with DVD's and let you save your investment for the blue Ray players. If I wanted to spend extra money I should be able to buy perhaps a better performing player but this winter it would then be obsolete when blue ray is out.

It also seems that users are finding no real world diference in PQ between the digital cables vs component. Both these players will let the 006 do its scaling job which should be much better than the players scaler. It seems like both players are equal in PQ and if that is not accurate please advise.

If I stick with all sony I just have to be aware my player might break when I am watching DVD's unless of course the new ones have this problem fixed. Do they have it fixed now?


Are these statements and assumptions accurate ones.

Originally posted by Videological
Sorry if us second wavers are covering territory that you pioneers have already discussed in this forum.

So it seems the concensus as the best choice for an interim DVD player until the blue ray is avail is either the Sony with the 480i over HMDI or the Panasonic. The feeling is that although the players are not perfect they do a very good job with DVD's and let you save your investment for the blue Ray players.

It also seems that users are finding no real world diference in PQ between the digital cables vs component. Both these players will let the 006 do its scaling job which should be much better than the players scaler. It seems like both players are equal in PQ and if that is not accurate please advise.

If I stick with all sony I just have to be aware my player might break when I am watching DVD's unless of course the new ones have this problem fixed. Do they have it fixed now?

Videological,

You guys all get "second-wavers" waivers... :D

I've been thinking about the DVD vs. Blu-Ray issue. It may boil down to your investment in DVDs. Let's say you have 500 discs at $20 a pop; that's a $10,000 investment in software. This may be an extreme example, but I'm betting there's a few of us on this forum with this many titles.

This makes me wish the Denon 5910 -- the one with the Realta chip -- wasn't so expensive. Blu-Ray will undoubtedly be great, but how long will it take the catalog to catch up with DVD and what will the average cost of Blu-Ray discs be? I'm personally betting on two years to bulid the catalog and an average price of $30 at first, but this may be too negative an estimate. In the meantime I am trying to find a dealer who will let me demo the Denon with my Qualia, as I'd really like to see how far it can take conventional DVD. I'm also watching the price of these players carefully to see if it drops once Blu-Ray is ready for market.

Also, how many versions of Blu-Ray discs will the studio try to sell us? I have three copies of "The Fifth Element" on DVD, for example, and I think there have been at least four versions of "Lawrence of Arabia". Just as DVD has seen regular editions, followed by special editions, special-deluxe editions, special super-deluxe versions, and superbit editions -- do we really think that Blu-Ray will mitigate the studios' greed? They'll still keep playing this game as long as morons like me keep buying the "new and improved" versions... :rolleyes:

BTW, I think there is a difference in PQ comparing HDMI to CV, but I bet the only way you'll see it is to use test signals. On real world material it is far more difficult to tell the two apart. I'm guessing the biggest difference between the two would be on cheaper gear, where the D/A signal conversion is done less effectively.

This is starting to sound like the scaler argument with DVD players -- which piece of equipment do you want to perform the heavy math? That being the case it's nice (in concept, at least) to keep the signal in digital form until the last link in the chain. HDMI is also very convenient cable-wise...

BTW, my new favorite demo movie on the Qualia is "Intolerable Cruelty" -- it really shows off what this set is capable of. Look at the title sequence to see how the Q006 reproduces colors with fidelity that will still blow your socks off. Catherine Zeta-Jones in a red dress is a sight to behold on the Qualia...

Originally posted by Videological
unless of course the new ones have this problem fixed. Do they have it fixed now?

Nobody knows as enough people haven't bought "new ones" but the consensus is - no.

You have to send the player into the service center in Laredo Texas. I would say that if you want the Sony and you've gone thru a Sony cierge to buy your 006 ....then purchase the Sony DVD player thru the same cierge so that if it does breakdown in the future, the cierge can expediate the repair process as soon as possible (rather than purchasing it online to save 4 or 5 strips of Penton Paper).

I'm currently using the Panny and am really happy. I think it's a toss-up between these two $300 machines.

Originally posted by brt3
I've been thinking about the DVD vs. Blu-Ray issue. It may boil down to your investment in DVDs. Let's say you have 500 discs at $20 a pop; that's a $10,000 investment in software. This may be an extreme example, but I'm betting there's a few of us on this forum with this many titles.
This makes me wish the Denon 5910 -- the one with the Realta chip -- wasn't so expensive.

This is starting to sound like the scaler argument with DVD players -- which piece of equipment do you want to perform the heavy math? That being the case it's nice (in concept, at least) to keep the signal in digital form until the last link in the chain. HDMI is also very convenient cable-wise...
EXCELLENT point on the software library. If I had that many DVD's I would probably purchase a Pio 59 avi and wish for the Denon 5910.

Speaking of the Realta chip, I wonder if when these become available in external processors - could we hook one up to our 006's and get an even better pic ???????? Geez, what is that going to cost me .....another 3 or 4K?

I completely agree on the scaler thing about which piece of equipment do you want to do the heavy math.....and since I'm no brainiac, I'm also wondering if it is BEST to have the least number of scaling/processing steps to get the best pic and avoid picture degradation along the way......which brings us back to the age old question of whether the scaler in the 006 "bobs" or not.

Two favorite Qualia 006 demo movies (in high-def, of course)...

Intolerable Cruelty: (see above)
Pulp Fiction: Wow! Saw this the other night and was blown away! Someone really did a great job remastering this for HD video; it is a reference IMHO...

Originally posted by brt3
Catherine Zeta-Jones in a red dress is a sight to behold on the Qualia...
Doooooon't get me excited, brt!:D

Would that be seductively laying on top of the Qualia stand or the image of her as displayed via the Qualia 006 display?

Originally posted by colortv
If Comcast offered HD Tivo, I might consider one. But where's that Firewire port?

You may have read today's news about Tivo and Comcast signing a long term deal. Details on News.com.

That might make me jump from D* if D* hasn't got there act together by then.

Allen

Originally posted by h2osports
Penton-Man,
Please check your PM box.
Thanks.
Be skiing ya,
DSG
PM just checked his P.M's. :)
and has responded to your query.

My apologies to all the others in the interim that have filled up my B.M. errrr I mean -- P.M. box
I just never check that sucker unless sombody gives me a heads-up.

dive......dude! My most *interesting* experiences over the years were with Oceanic White-tips (NOT the lovable nearly domesticated reef white-tips) and a Tiger that chased away our pick-up boat and wouldn't let us surface (on the ocean side of Rangiroa).

PM,

Catherine Zeta-Jones can be anywhere she wants -- on top of, next to, or inside my Qualia -- her choice...

Did you wet-suited diver-types see the feature on INHD about the nut-cases who not only like to swim with Great Whites -- the old sage of the group actually rode one (several times) by grabbing onto it's dorsal fin? Great footage, but bizarre...

Originally posted by 3deye
OK guys, here's the latest from my Sony dealer. This current run of units (not sure how many... 100? 200?) are in Long Beach right now going through post-ship QC diagnostics. He expects them to be shipped the week of March 28th, and he's committed his first (and probably only) unit to me, which I appreciate.

Now, here's the kicker... The price for anyone who doesn't already have a pre-order with deposit for a kds70q006 has been raised to $13999.99, according to Sony's SPPG Guideline document, dated Feb 2005. Whoa. I'm glad to have pre-ordered. That said, dealers are probably not totally bound to the guidelines, but it's possible that if demand exceeds supply...
Gary,
I've checked into the above out of curiosity and either your dealer has misinformed you or he was misinformed by somebody from Sony.

The sets are arriving daily and they are NOT going through any post-ship QC diagnotics or other such nonsense. Perhaps that will speed up the process in getting your 006 display, hopefully????

Sony has NOT altered the original price of 13K for the TV and if anybody is doing this.....then it's on the individual dealer's end ....in an attempt to perhaps finance that trip to Australia ???

Originally posted by brt3
PM,

Catherine Zeta-Jones can be anywhere she wants -- on top of, next to, or inside my Qualia -- her choice...

Did you wet-suited diver-types see the feature on INHD about the nut-cases who not only like to swim with Great Whites -- the old sage of the group actually rode one (several times) by grabbing onto it's dorsal fin? Great footage, but bizarre...
The world became a lonelier place overnight when M.D. married her….and isn’t he too old for her anyway?

Bizarre is right. But I wouldn’t know how it looked on the Qualia 006 because frigin Adelphia doesn’t provide us with INHD and everytime you and colortv comment about some of their great looking shows in HD…..it makes me run to the “bauthroom” as I feel the urge of another “movement.”
:(

Originally posted by Penton-Man

The sets are arriving daily
Uh, to clarify this statement.
As of now, all the units are still coming over from Asia by plane. I kinda neglected telling anybody because then.... I wouldn't be able to post my boat videos.:)

But no matter.....they should be switching over to boat sometime in the *near future*- soooo I'll be able to post those boat videos upon demand again.:D

brt- I forgot.....what DVD player are you running into the Qualia ?

Originally posted by Penton-Man

The sets are arriving daily
Also, on that note.
Where the heck is motormouth ??????
We haven't heard from him in awhile.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt- I forgot.....what DVD player are you running into the Qualia ?

Sony DVP-NS975V; 480i over HDMI -- still working; no problems so far...

I just got a call from my salesman. It is confirmed, my store is getting 12 by March 25. Now that getting one is finally imminent I am REALLY getting excited!

Any advice on the brand of cables I should use?

For those of you interested in the DVD player debate and who know a bit about the actual workings of signal transference please weigh in. I want to try and understand what is going on because honestly the over 100 dollars for a cable makes me want to ensure that it is actually helping.

If you go with the expectation that the Sony 975 does not put across BTB through HDMI unless you play with settings (the picture - 2 and brightness - 2 for instance). What is actually going on? Now we know that HDMI is an all digital transmittance between the dvd player and the tv. If it is NOT passing BTB then it seems to be filtering out anything that is under a certain threshold (the black threshold) and either updating it to "merely black" or deleting it (I am guessing the updating because um they can't just delete the image data for those pixels). Here are 2 possibilities that I see if this is the case:

1. The filter goes through the digital signal right away "updating or removing" all information that is below the black threshold so that nothing is BTB. Then any additional adjustments are done (so the picture -2 and the brightness -2 actually push the data that was at black down to BTB).

2. The settings are immediately applied to the signal and then this filtering occurs (so that nothing is lower than black).

Either way it would seem that information lower than black is removed or updated. No amount of playing with settings will actually replace that information UNLESS it is scenario 2 and you actually make the picture brighter (and risk washing out your whites) and therefore avoid the dreaded BTB droppage. But PM is saying he lowers brightness (pushing all the data downward) which to me seems to take items that were originally encoded as above black to potentially blacker than black.

I also can't see how AVIA or DVE could make up for the fact that HDMI is not passing the BTB in the first place over hdmi... sure you can make your picture darker but whatever data was recorded on the dvd as BTB must not be being faithfully transmitted to the TV.

Any ideas on this I am hoping I am missing something obvious but the fact this remains entirely in the digital world has me wondering... Obviously something must be happening to the dvd's BTBs and would changing the brightness/picture cause that information to somehow be retained?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Uh, to clarify this statement.
As of now, all the units are still coming over from Asia by plane. I kinda neglected telling anybody because then.... I wouldn't be able to post my boat videos.:)

But no matter.....they should be switching over to boat sometime in the *near future*- soooo I'll be able to post those boat videos upon demand again.:D

Okay then, where the hell is that plane?!? ;)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Also, on that note.
Where the heck is motormouth ??????
We haven't heard from him in awhile.
Yeah, where the hell is MotorMouth777? He's the originator (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5155118#post5155118) of "Where the hell is that boat?". Here I am working so hard to make it into a full-blown catch-phrase, and I have to go it alone . . . . :(

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Videological
Sorry if us second wavers are covering territory that you pioneers have already discussed in this forum. It is because of your first wavers leap of faith and feedback that those of us less bold have been able to make the jump also without seeing the sets firsthand. We all owe you thanks and have valued your discussions and comments highly. Because of your experiences I have felt very comfortable that I am buying a terrific set and one I will have no remorse about.

Videological, you are welcome, I am sure from all of us. I think the feeling is mutual, to be able to re-experience the joy that the 006 delivers and see others on the cutting edge is thanks enough indeed.

Anyone have the exact dimensions of the box it comes in? I could have sworn someone posted it here at one point but despite alot of searching I couldn't find it.

I want to thank everyone who has contributed so much to this thread (and the one previous to it). I have been following along religiously since last year and it is great to be SOOO close to actually having this set in my home. It does seem nuts to not have even seen such a major purchase but the pictures and the oohs and aaahs really made it possible.

Anyone get some kind of confirmation that 1080p over HDMI is real? The dealer claim makes me hopeful but its always possible they cheated on the demo set and updated hardware/software for it (like the proposed 004 update to handle 60fps).

Originally posted by jb1
Any advice on the brand of cables I should use?
RAM ....and they've got a 30-day return policy if you change your mind...no questions asked!

You don't even need to call in and get an RA #.

Originally posted by thesirjay
because honestly the over 100 dollars for a cable makes me want to ensure that it is actually helping.

Why are you spending $$$ on cables?
See my post above.

Unless you're doing super long cable runs - you shouldn't be wasting your money.

Originally posted by Zechman
Okay then, where the hell is that plane?!? ;)
--Dwayne
We need motormouth to post that audio clip of the little fella yelling....."Da plane... da plane" on what was it ? Fantasy Island ?

Originally posted by thesirjay
Anyone have the exact dimensions of the box it comes in? I could have sworn someone posted it here at one point but despite alot of searching I couldn't find it.

Nobody's posted it ...unless I had a senile moment.

Originally posted by thesirjay
Anyone get some kind of confirmation that 1080p over HDMI is real?
No.
At this point ...it's wishful thinking...especially for us elitists that want to pay another several grand in the future for a Realta chip processor to feed 1080p to the 006.

Originally posted by divedude
Penton-Man,
I think the reef whitetips look like lizards. And just to keep this on subject, I plan to play lots of shark videos and DVD's on my 006 when it arrives :cool:
For those that watch Survivor on their 006's...if they show any sharks on the show....they most likely will be reef whitetips - which are pretty much docile.

I think there was an episode where two guys tried to spear a shark in waste deep water...which was ludicrous in itself - I'd of loved seeing them try to do that with a Tiger.:eek:

i think motormouth couldn't take it anymore and is swimming out to meet the boat :)

well now that march is almost over, it only leaves april, may, and june before I move.

with my luck, by june this thread will dead, all the etilists gone to enjoy their grey poupon while vacationing in exotic locales.

Originally posted by brt3

Catherine Zeta-Jones in a red dress is a sight to behold on the Qualia...

She's a sight to behold on anything! Yeah Baby!!!! :D

Originally posted by thesirjay
Anyone have the exact dimensions of the box it comes in? I could have sworn someone posted it here at one point but despite alot of searching I couldn't find it.

I want to thank everyone who has contributed so much to this thread (and the one previous to it). I have been following along religiously since last year and it is great to be SOOO close to actually having this set in my home. It does seem nuts to not have even seen such a major purchase but the pictures and the oohs and aaahs really made it possible.

Anyone get some kind of confirmation that 1080p over HDMI is real? The dealer claim makes me hopeful but its always possible they cheated on the demo set and updated hardware/software for it (like the proposed 004 update to handle 60fps).

Re the HDMI and 1080p thing... 1080p is absolutely in the DVI spec, and HDMI is no different from DVI in that regard. Of course, don't expect to see 1080p source format anytime soon, since Blu-Ray (at 50G/disc) isn't enough for it. It would require some sort of holographic next-gen format beyond Blu-Ray. Stuff like that is out there but I doubt it'll have the momentum to overtake B-R within the next 5-7 years.

Re the box size... From my dealer's source at Sony/Carson:

Below is from the weights and measures screen in STN

UNT-CARTON SUB-CARTON QTY: 1 MST-CARTON QTY:
UPC: 027242667747

WGHT: 149803 G 149803 G 149.803 KG
330.69 LB 330.69 LB 330.69 LB
VOL : 1.75703 M3 1.75703 M3 1.75703 M3
62.062 CF 62.050 CF 62.062 CF
WDTH: 180.3 CM 180.3 CM 180.3 CM
71.00 IC 71.00 IC 71.00 IC
HGHT: 134.6 CM 134.6 CM 134.6 CM
53.00 IC 53.00 IC 53.00 IC
DPTH: 72.4 CM 72.4 CM 72.4 CM
28.50 IC 28.50 IC 28.50 IC
UPS ACCP IND: N N N


Stella Pappas
Customer Service Supervisor
Carson Logistic Center
310 522 6805 P#
310 522 6852 F#

Originally posted by Zechman
[B]

Yeah, where the hell is MotorMouth777? [B]

I think he's doing the sleeping beauty thing, so he doesn't need to endure the waiting anymore. You know, just wake up one day and his Prince Qualia has arrived.

Originally posted by 3deye
Re the HDMI and 1080p thing... 1080p is absolutely in the DVI spec
Please elaborate. For the uninformed, if 3deye is claiming that the Qualia 006 can accept 1080p ....we just picked up a whole boat load of new adopters.
This was the only thing that was keeping people like Beefchopper from purchasing this display.

It is not so significant in terms of the Blu-ray issue but, it is very significant in terms of being able to hook up a Realta chip scaler/processor to the 006 and feed it 1080p.

Also, 3deye, check your P.M. for my reply.
Sorry, I didn't reply sooner, I just never check that mail box.

Originally posted by divedude
Can someone with a Sony stand please measure from the floor to the bottom of the viewing area of the screen on the 006. Thanks in advance!!
That be 25".:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Why are you spending $$$ on cables?
See my post above.

Unless you're doing super long cable runs - you shouldn't be wasting your money.
PM,
I take it you are refering to the component cable option (not your suggestion of RAM cables).
I am looking at short cable runs - in your previous posts you had mentioned that the difference between component and HDMI was negligible but brt3 had thought there was an extremely small edge in quality with HDMI.

The idea of doing a gratuitous transformation from Digital to Analog and back again of course irks me a bit but if I will be losing part of the BTB data from the dvd due to some fluke with their HDMI then it becomes a tossup. The short HDMI are quite pricey (your Monster or even radio shack brand run 100+) but having laid out as much money as this is I would hate to downgrade my experience on account of the extra 100 or so.

My question becomes if the HDMI really isn't worth doing (which was my main reason for preferring the Sony) then is the Sony the best picture via component that I can get in the 300ish range?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
RAM ....and they've got a 30-day return policy if you change your mind...no questions asked!

You don't even need to call in and get an RA #.

Ram does have good quality cables at a fraction of the cost of Monster. I did a 20 minute comparison with my wife switching Ram HDMI and Monster HDMI (actually a double blind study, since my wife doesn't know which was which:D) and I could not tell any difference. IMHO, however audio cables do make a difference! Just wonder around a setup of any local band, they don't seem to cut costs on any audio cables.

Originally posted by thesirjay
PM,
. The short HDMI are quite pricey (your Monster or even radio shack brand run 100+) but having laid out as much money as this is I would hate to downgrade my experience on account of the extra 100 or so.

No don't get Monster.
See -
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_cables.html
And if your DVD player doesn't have gold plated contacts...then I would simply get the cheaper standard HDMI cable.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Ram does have good quality cables at a fraction of the cost of Monster. I did a 20 minute comparison with my wife switching Ram HDMI and Monster HDMI
She must have really loved that !!!!!
Must have been the highlight of her night.:D

My wife long ago put me in the nut case videophile pigeon hole(as the moderator of this thread probably has also done) so she refuses to deal with anymore A/B testing foolishness.

I have to rely on our dog.:)

Ah I see the Ram prices are a ton more reasonable (about half) were you using the new Rev2 "High End" HDMI Cables or standard? (btw grats on managing to keep a wife involved in an a/v experiment for 20 mins that may be a new world record!) Now if I can just manage to get my mind set at ease over what happens to the dvd's BTB data on the sony over hdmi I will be set.

PM does the sony have gold plated contacts?

Originally posted by Penton-Man

It is not so significant in terms of the Blu-ray issue but, it is very significant in terms of being able to hook up a Realta chip scaler/processor to the 006 and feed it 1080p.

Come to think of it......it is significant with reference to Blu-ray players...because I suppose you could output the Blu-ray to a Realta processor and then feed its 1080p signal to the 006.

For those that don't know about the future Realta chip scaler/processors....I think they promise to be more revolutionary to video than the 006 !

Originally posted by thesirjay

PM does the sony have gold plated contacts?
I don't know.
As I have absolutely no brand loyality....I've got a Panny S975 hooked up to my 006.

Somebody else like brt, color or jb007 could tell you.

Originally posted by thesirjay
PM,
I take it you are refering to the component cable option (not your suggestion of RAM cables).
I am looking at short cable runs - in your previous posts you had mentioned that the difference between component and HDMI was negligible but brt3 had thought there was an extremely small edge in quality with HDMI.

The idea of doing a gratuitous transformation from Digital to Analog and back again of course irks me a bit but if I will be losing part of the BTB data from the dvd due to some fluke with their HDMI then it becomes a tossup. The short HDMI are quite pricey (your Monster or even radio shack brand run 100+) but having laid out as much money as this is I would hate to downgrade my experience on account of the extra 100 or so.

My question becomes if the HDMI really isn't worth doing (which was my main reason for preferring the Sony) then is the Sony the best picture via component that I can get in the 300ish range?

thesirjay, I'm not sure if I really understand your question, but the component to HDMI difference "in real life viewing" may be negligible secondary to the outstanding processor in the 006. I think Sony really outdone themselves in this respect. I would be surprised if the Realta chip would made that much difference viewing high quality HD material. I still feel better with HDMI, and feel like I am getting a better picture especially in darker movies, just IMHO.

Originally posted by sparkysj
I would be surprised if the Realta chip would made that much difference viewing high quality HD material.
Sparky,
Get ready to be surprised.
It will be like making 60K processors available for several thousand.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
She must have really loved that !!!!!
Must have been the highlight of her night.:D

My wife long ago put me in the nut case videophile pigeon hole(as the moderator of this thread probably has also done) so she refuses to deal with anymore A/B testing foolishness.

I have to rely on our dog.:)

I just pointed out that there was very little difference in doing this or her trying on 15 dresses before we go out, and asking me which one looks better!:rolleyes:

Originally posted by sparkysj
[I still feel better with HDMI, and feel like I am getting a better picture especially in darker movies, just IMHO. [/B]

I think I will be going the HDMI route myself now I just need to pray that I receive a "good Sony" because that malfunction rate is NUTS. Its like playing russian roulette. After I make sure mine will work for at least a week over component then I will order the higher end HDMI cable from RAM (no sense buying one if I can't manage to get a reliable sony though..)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Come to think of it......it is significant ...because you could output the Blu-ray to a Realta processor and then feed its 1080p signal to the 006. For those that don't know about the future Realta chip scaler/processors....I think they promise to be more revolutionary to video than the 006 !

Looks like two Realta processors I've heard of so far, but I (usually) hang out on the wrong (this) thread...

Silicon Optix OptiScale: around $2K
Has DVI input; bet this would work great with my Comcast 6412!
Silicon Optix OptiScale (http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/109207.html)

Algolith (the Mosquito people): around $3K
This puppy has HDMI inputs & outputs...
Algolith Dragonfly (http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=137&L=0)
Algolith Dragonfly: Preorder (http://shop.algolith.com/product.php?productid=16186)

I agree with PM; these Realta processors will be a killer combo with the Qualia! It will help to eliminate my biggest problem -- the lack of high-quality in source material. The Realta HQV will never make SD into HD, but it ought to make it infinitely more watchable...

colortv -- did the broadcast industry have difficulties adjusting make-up for HD? Our local Fox affilliate is very entertaining to watch; the news broadcasters have a good "clown" effect going most nights...

thesirjay

Simply stated, some players just don't pass blacker than black.

I vaguely recall something about how some of the DVI transmitters weren't meeting specs causing either black crush or hard clipping. Also some combination of HDMI to DVI (or vice versa) would also loose the blacker than black information .

Considering the sizable investment in a 006, I think I'd find a DVD player that's up to the task. Given that the 006 has such a good scaler, I'd be looking at something like the Pioneer Elite 59avi or the Denon 3910. Both are highly regarded.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Please elaborate. For the uninformed, if 3deye is claiming that the Qualia 006 can accept 1080p ....we just picked up a whole boat load of new adopters.
This was the only thing that was keeping people like Beefchopper from purchasing this display.

It is not so significant in terms of the Blu-ray issue but, it is very significant in terms of being able to hook up a Realta chip scaler/processor to the 006 and feed it 1080p.

Also, 3deye, check your P.M. for my reply.
Sorry, I didn't reply sooner, I just never check that mail box.

hmmm.... I'm not actually claiming that the 006 can accept 1080p per se. What I'm saying is that the DVI/HDMI spec allows for 1080p, so there's no limitation inherent in the input format. I have no idea how Sony's scaler works, but my theory is (especially based on what my dealer told me) that since the 006 can _display_ 1080p, and the DVI/HDMI spec can _carry_ 1080p, then the Sony engineers would've been remiss in not passing the 1080p signal straight through the scaler untouched, which would've been a no-brainer.

Heck, one of you 006 owners who has a PC can test this right now by going to the Microsoft WMV-HD content site, configuring your system, and downloading one of the many free 1920x1080p clips that they have there. (http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/content_provider/film/ContentShowcase.aspx) You can even purchase quite a bit of full-length 1080p content, most of which are remastered IMAX films: (http://www.wmvhd.com/)

And here's a WMV-HD mini faq:
http://msmvps.com/chrisl/articles/11452.aspx

Of course you'll need a WMV-HD capable display card, like the nvidia quadro FX4000 SDI card, which can display 1080p at quite a few different refresh rates.

My hunch is that if you do this, the 006 will accept the signal and will look quite good. Is anyone up to trying it out?

Originally posted by 3deye
I have no idea how Sony's scaler works, but my theory is (especially based on what my dealer told me) that since the 006 can _display_ 1080p, and the DVI/HDMI spec can _carry_ 1080p, then the Sony engineers would've been remiss in not passing the 1080p signal straight through the scaler untouched, which would've been a no-brainer.

My hunch is that if you do this, the 006 will accept the signal and will look quite good. Is anyone up to trying it out?

Well I hope that some 006 owner IS up to trying it out(Dwayne ?)....because this has been a burning question to alot of us owners since the "Sony jumps" thread.

I think that we here have all but accepted the notion that the 006 will NOT accept a 1080p signal and also that when it accepts a 1080i signal from whatever source, the scaler bobs it down first and then up to 1080p which causes a decrease in resolution.

If we could feed the Qualia 006 a 1080p signal from a Realta chip processor - we would have the PERFECT picture come this summer when these processors become available.

B.T.W. 3deye,
Check your PM about the player.

Heeeeeeerrree I come to save the daaaaayyyy.


I am touched that you were all worried about my swimming abilty out there looking for that damn boat...............only to find out from Penton that the sneaky little buggers at Sony put em on planes. Man are my arms tired but fret not as some pretty bikini clad juggly gave me some mouth to mouth so I am much better.

(Come to think of it, I sure hope that mouth to mouth juggly was not actually Diverdude in disguise) Yikes and I thought that was an extra air tank in her bikini..................

The boring reality is I am on vacation since the little ankle-biters are on spring break. Looks like you boys have been busy cause there was TONS of new posts I had to get through..............lots of fun at 24kbs via modem.

Now that thought just begs a question..............is there even one woman on this thread or are we just a bunch of testosterone junkies looking for the ultimate video fix.





My spider sense says my 006 is getting closer...........closer........closer.

Did you ever wonder where that extra $3,000 they tacked on went.......................................

I had my suspicions..............Now we know.

Hiya MotorMouth!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well I hope that some 006 owner IS up to trying it out(Dwayne ?)....because this has been a burning question to alot of us owners since the "Sony jumps" thread.

I think that we here have all but accepted the notion that the 006 will NOT accept a 1080p signal and also that when it accepts a 1080i signal from whatever source, the scaler bobs it down first and then up to 1080p which causes a decrease in resolution.

If we could feed the Qualia 006 a 1080p signal from a Realta chip processor - we would have the PERFECT picture come this summer when these processors become available.

Here's a recap:

As I recall from the "Sony jumps" thread, there was a lot of speculation, but we'd pretty much settled on a big maybe it will take 1080p24sf like the 004 does, as an undocumented feature. Then we later learned that the 006 doesn't have the same scaler, it instead has the top-end TV scaler, DRCv2, so all bets were off.

Later still, someone in this thread (pkunzip IIRC) was trying to get the 006 to accept 1080p24 or 1080p30 without any success. But he admittedly wasn't sure about what he was doing.

Hmmm, I also recall DocDVD saying something cryptic about 1080p just before the 006 was launched, but made it sound as if he knew some inside information that he was not allowed to divulge yet.

Edit:
I found the post I was referring to (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4904767#post4904767).

DocDVD, anything you can add to the conversation now?

When I get mine (Where the hell is that boat/plane/truck/hovercraft/Segway/unicycle?) I'll be sure to do some testing with a PC--this stuff is right up my alley. So all you folks who want a definitive answer, send out as many good vibes as you can that mine comes soon. :cool:

--Dwayne

Hmm something I got sent from DocDVD that may help with any 1080p experiments.

quote:
I HIGHLY recommend a Lumagen Vision Pro HDP as it supports 1080 24psF output which is the Qualia's highest native input.

Oh, and another thing:

Now that we found MotorMouth, we seem to have lost Rogo. He was going to get answers to the "20 questions" from someone in Japan, and we never heard back from him.

Question #16 was about 1080p and question #18 was about "bobbing" the 1080i signal. The full list is here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=4928786#post4928786).

--Dwayne
(Un-official Historian of the Qualia 006 Owner's Thread )

Dwayne-

Maybe Rogo was the FIRST sony plant.

PM-

How does the pooch help without opposable thumbs? Neat trick!

Originally posted by Zechman
So all you folks who want a definitive answer, send out as many good vibes as you can that mine comes soon. :cool:
--Dwayne
All here try “"Om Namo Shivaya" for Dwayne.-
http://www.divyajivan.org/shivaratri/audio%20clips.htm

P.S. –
What you said is what I thought – I just wanted to hear it from a second source with a memory better than mine.

Originally posted by SABAlove
PM-

How does the pooch help without opposable thumbs? Neat trick!
Simple-
You see whenever I do a video A/B comparison and I kinda think that “B” should win, the pouch and I sit on the sofa.

First I display the “A” choice with the introduction “Anaconda”.
Then I display the “B” choice with the introduction “Biscuit”.

It seems that whenever the dog hears the “B” choice, he barks – which to me… means that choice is the better video variable.

Sure the data may be a bit skewered, but in the end, we’re both happy.

I can’t do the 15 dress thing like sparky, because the last time my wife and I tried that, we only got to the 2nd dress before I jumped her… proceeding with the vertical wild thing and we just never made it out for dinner. Had to call in for delivery.

Attention 006 owners that are Comcast subscribers –

Comcast is planning to offer TiVo as a premium service for an additional charge above their standard DVR. (similar to basic tier channels, and then add HBO for more bucks.). The new service is planned for mid-2006 at the earliest.

OK so at the risk of showing how stupid (uninformed) I really am ....here goes ...

HMDI vs DVI etc. etc. I am not going to use the SONY for audio, just picture. Therefore how is the best way to send audio to my NAD 773 and the picture to the 006? If I had a DVD with HDMI would I actually use it under the above circumstances? Pray help the uneducated. "Light one little candle" ...:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by Neo2005
OK so at the risk of showing how stupid (uninformed) I really am ....here goes ...

HMDI vs DVI etc. etc. I am not going to use the SONY for audio, just picture. Therefore how is the best way to send audio to my NAD 773 and the picture to the 006? If I had a DVD with HDMI would I actually use it under the above circumstances? Pray help the uneducated. "Light one little candle" ...:confused: :confused: :confused:

With my Sony 975 player, I send HDMI to the TV which carries audio and video. But I never listen to DVD audio through the HDMI/TV connection due to reports that Dolby 5.1 is not carried via HDMI. Instead, I send the optical output of the player to a Yamaha 2500 a/v receiver via Toslink cable and normally listen to DVD/CD audio that way without going through the TV. I have compared the sound, not scientifically, but just trusting my ears. After about 5 seconds of listening, it's obvious that the direct optical connection to the a/v receiver sounds superior. But I'll admit that on occasion when I need to keep the sounds levels and bass down in the house at 2am when others are sleeping, I listen to DVD audio through the 006's less dynamic speakers - in that case I'm listening to audio over HDMI and it's good enough for that use since it's not surround anyway.

Interesting conversations ...

As to the 1080p24sf point, my recollection is that at least two people have tried it via PC output and were unsuccessful, and that Sony has confirmed to at least one person that the 006 does not accept a 1080p24sf signal, despite HDMI's ability to carry one.

As for the improvement over 480i via HDMI to the Sony directly or first into a Realta-based processor, that remains to be seen. The discussion of the Realta that's out there (in the Denon 59xx DVD player) has not been particularly good over on the Video Processor forum. It's possible that the Realta-based units will make a big difference but I would not hold your breath.

What I would want is to be sure I can get both cable and DVD into the 006 via HDMI (at 480i for SD and native HD) -- the incremental benefit of putting a Realta in the chain will be interesting to see. However, I can see a benefit if one can't get HDMI from the cable/sat box and use component or SDI or some other mechanism. We shall see what we shall see!

Cheers

Joel

Ok the main question has anyone hooked up a computer to this puppy and have you run any of the HD files that are floating around all over. Those should be incredible on the 006 and has anyone done this? Please respond or pm me.

from what i've read, hdmi CANNOT handle 1080p...

btw, saw the 006 yesterday in the qualia nyc showroom...i'm hooked

Confusion reigns:

There are so many choices one needs to consider, HMDI cables vs DVI vs component, 5.1 surround, 7.1 surround, THX, subwoofer placement, upscaling players vs normal vs BRay vs HD DVD, Picture settings, Satellite vs Cable vs OTA, Toslink, Professional Calibration, Tivo and to top it of my wifes periodic nagging about the sound volume being too high. It seems like I need a degree in electrical engineering just to enjoy todays new sets.

You know I sometimes miss the good ole days when the only cables you had to worry about was the power plug and you had like only two knobs to fiddle with the picture. Of course there were only four channels if you count the one on UHF you sometimes got if you were skillful with the rabbit ears.


http://www.j-walk.com/other/goodwife/images/goodwifeguide.gif



The guys in the 50's had it made..........................................

Originally posted by MotorMouth777



The guys in the 50's had it made.......................................... [/B]


I wish I had a dollar for everytime I had the top off the set you have displayed to replace the 5U4G rectifier tube.

Stew

Just talked to the local dealer and his rep called Sony for the latest information on my order. Sets were shipped today and they should be at the dealer within 5 to 7 days.

Hurray, hurray

I now know the sets are not being shipped by water so I can stop checking and put my boat away.

Originally posted by Joel
Interesting conversations ...
Joel
Hello Joel!
Where have you been....I thought that we had lost you.
Are you any closer to taking delivery of your 006?

No. I will order one once I get a firm delivery date on my stand. I expect the stand by the end of April. But I'm definitely going to get one and it's definitely in the works ... :) Spousal unit is on board and everything .... I am sad to miss March Madness on an 006 but that's the way the cookie crumbles! At least on St. Pattie's day my green envy will fit with the color scheme!

Cheers

I, like a few others in this forum am a second mover on the 006. I received my set today (yes!) and can confirm that sets do not seem to be coming by water yet. There were Korea Air stickers all over the box.

I have a few questions that I believe have been addressed before. I was hoping that someone would indulge me and answer. This forum has been an incredible resource and I thank you all for your commentary.

1. Are there any companies that have pre-made covers that are big enough for the 006? I am specifically worried about the incredible amount of dust that comes with a New York City apartment.

2. Is it worth it to get a professional to calibrate the picture? Also, any recommendations on the picture (Vivid, Pro, etc) and color (Warm, Cool, etc) settings when watching sport vs. regular tv vs movies?

Thanks again.

Originally posted by EastVillager
1. Are there any companies that have pre-made covers that are big enough for the 006? I am specifically worried about the incredible amount of dust that comes with a New York City apartment.

2. Is it worth it to get a professional to calibrate the picture? Also, any recommendations on the picture (Vivid, Pro, etc) and color (Warm, Cool, etc) settings when watching sport vs. regular tv vs movies?

EV,

Welcome, welcome! About the cover; Kaduku has had his made and posted about 20 pages back about it. I have fabric and am looking locally to have one tailor-made...

Qualia Settings (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Personal10.html)

Originally posted by EastVillager
There were Korea Air stickers all over the box.



Interesting.

Does it say Made in Japan on the set?

Or does Sony just use Korea Air cargo?

brt3 - Thanks for the settings link. I will also look for kadaku's comments. What material is your fabric?

wojtek - The set says it is made in Japan. So, I guess they just used Korea Air for the shipping.

An interesting side story about my delivery. It was delayed a few hours because of a difficult delivery in the area that took many hours. Unfortunately for that owner, the delivery folks could not get the 006 in to the apartment, so they took it back with them.

I am going to press my luck with a few more questions:

DVD player - I have a Panasonic S97. Has anyone noticed a difference between the HDMI output at 480p vs. the component outputs?

Cable box - I am using the Scientific Atlanta 8000HD-DVR. The 8300 model has a HDMI out, but is tough to get in my area (so the provider tells me). Has anyone used either box? Is there a big difference between component out vs. HDMI for a cable signal?

Thanks again.

Originally posted by Joel
Interesting conversations ...

As to the 1080p24sf point, my recollection is that at least two people have tried it via PC output and were unsuccessful, and that Sony has confirmed to at least one person that the 006 does not accept a 1080p24sf signal, despite HDMI's ability to carry one.

As for the improvement over 480i via HDMI to the Sony directly or first into a Realta-based processor, that remains to be seen. The discussion of the Realta that's out there (in the Denon 59xx DVD player) has not been particularly good over on the Video Processor forum. It's possible that the Realta-based units will make a big difference but I would not hold your breath.

What I would want is to be sure I can get both cable and DVD into the 006 via HDMI (at 480i for SD and native HD) -- the incremental benefit of putting a Realta in the chain will be interesting to see. However, I can see a benefit if one can't get HDMI from the cable/sat box and use component or SDI or some other mechanism. We shall see what we shall see!

Cheers

Joel
You know I would have thought that all this Realta chip chat would have brought out mark haflich to post something on our 006 owners thread...because I assume by now he's back from the Sony Open House and his Filmschool ? thing in Cali.

Mark, where are you ?

Originally posted by Joel
The discussion of the Realta that's out there (in the Denon 59xx DVD player) has not been particularly good over on the Video Processor forum.

Yeah, but Joel, doesn't HQV attribute that to poor implementation of the Realta chip and Denon using a mix of stuff ?

What say you mark?
Qualia 006 plus Algolith = Perfect Picture ?

How about JimP from Alabama ...care to chime in on this Realta chip stuff as you are a prospective 006 owner ?

Originally posted by EastVillager

DVD player - I have a Panasonic S97. Has anyone noticed a difference between the HDMI output at 480p vs. the component outputs?
Thanks again.
Welcome to the Qualia club EastVillager !

I am in the process of doing A/B comparisons with my videophile couch mate :) - "A" for Anaconda, "B" for Biscuit, as I also have the Panny S97(which I believe is a great player for the $$), and am using "A" as HDMI 1080i out and "B" - 480i component out.

I do not want to make any pronouncements until we have been through a least a couple boxes of biscuits.:D

In regards to your delivery problems, did you purchase thru a Sony cierge or a local Sony dealer?

The cover that some of us are using is made of "Optex" which is the same fabric people use to clean their glassses -- good stuff and doesn't fray when you cut it.

Just to add more confusion to motormouth before he actually takes delivery of his 006...
In regards to searching for the perfect input signal to a *Qualia*, video processors and the infamous Sony NS975 player this made add a little more spice to the mix.....
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=519487

Originally posted by Penton-Man


I am in the process of doing A/B comparisons with my videophile couch mate :) - "A" for Anaconda, "B" for Biscuit, as I also have the Panny S97(which I believe is a great player for the $$), and am using "A" as HDMI 1080i out and "B" - 480i component out.

In regards to your delivery problems, did you purchase thru a Sony cierge or a local Sony dealer?



Interesting, 1080i from the S97? From what I have been reading in this forum from you all, I thought we were supposed to let the 006 do all the scaling. Is that not the case?

Being a NYC resident, I bought thru the Qualia store in Manhattan.

Originally posted by EastVillager
Unfortunately for that owner, the delivery folks could not get the 006 in to the apartment, so they took it back with them.



C'mon fence-sitters, there is one Qualia available... No waiting... Go for it:)

Originally posted by EastVillager

An interesting side story about my delivery. It was delayed a few hours because of a difficult delivery in the area that took many hours. Unfortunately for that owner, the delivery folks could not get the 006 in to the apartment, so they took it back with them.



Time to find another apartment. :D :D :D

Originally posted by EastVillager
Interesting, 1080i from the S97? From what I have been reading in this forum from you all, I thought we were supposed to let the 006 do all the scaling. Is that not the case?

Yep, that probaly be the case. But I plan on doing my unbiased A/B comparisons with my pouch nonetheless because as they say "Show Me."

Originally posted by EastVillager
1. Are there any companies that have pre-made covers that are big enough for the 006? I am specifically worried about the incredible amount of dust that comes with a New York City apartment.



EastVillager,
Congrats on receiving your unit. I posted some pictures of my cover a few pages ago (too lazy to look). I had it made to cover the screen only, though I think brt3 plans to cover the whole thing. I am unable to PM you, I guess you don't have it set up on your profile. PM me when you do and I will give you details and contact info on the cover fabric. This also goes for all you new 006 owners out there. I have sent my cover back to the fabric maker who is adding the SONY logo on the cover and will be posting a pic as soon as I get it back. :)

Now that I have had my 006 for a month I have found a few of things that bug me. One, the remote with serial input change rather than direct and the slow change between inputs. Second, there is some mechanical noise as I change inputs which I assume is an iris change but it sounds bad. And last, when I go to input three, the label stays on the screen until I clear it via the display button. I am definitely going to a new remote. My questions are; are you having the same minor issues and has anyone got a great remote suggestion. Other than that, the perfect set.

texas_buff wrote?:

"Now that I have had my 006 for a month I have found a few of things that bug me. One, the remote with serial input change rather than direct and the slow change between inputs. Second, there is some mechanical noise as I change inputs which I assume is an iris change but it sounds bad. And last, when I go to input three, the label stays on the screen until I clear it via the display button. I am definitely going to a new remote. My questions are; are you having the same minor issues and has anyone got a great remote suggestion. Other than that, the perfect set."

Best bet would be a Harmony 659 remote --they list the individual input commands in their archives for the Q006

Originally posted by kaduku
EastVillager,
I am unable to PM you, I guess you don't have it set up on your profile. PM me when you do and I will give you details and contact info on the cover fabric.

I think I've set it up and sent you a PM. Thanks.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yep, that probaly be the case. But I plan on doing my unbiased A/B comparisons with my pouch nonetheless because as they say "Show Me."

I am looking forward to reading the results.

Originally posted by Neo2005
Any poop from the SONY dealers meeting?????:confused:
Yup,
I forgot to mention one thing in regards to all this scaler/processor/ native input gibberish that I’ve been posting lately which may be of interest to PC gamers like Dwayne who want to connect HTPCs to their 006’s.

Well, at the Vegas shindig, Sony also mentioned that they were offering to 004….now that be 004 owners (but I suspect that in the future they could offer it to 006 owners as it is probably just a circuit board and some new firmware) a 1080p60 upgrade.

In other words, 004 owners will be able to input 1080p60 into their projectors which I guess is good stuff for the gamers out there and I would suspect that this technology could be delivered as a option to the 006 in the future too. Can’t remember the cost ….several large.

Originally posted by EastVillager
I think I've set it up and sent you a PM. Thanks.

Check your PM

Originally posted by kaduku
PM me when you do and I will give you details and contact info on the cover fabric. This also goes for all you new 006 owners out there. :)
Above and beyond duty of an AVS forum member!
But rather typical of an 006 owner.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Above and beyond duty of an AVS forum member!
But rather typical of an 006 owner.:)

Awe shucks :D

OMFG..............people are getting them now in the second wave. I am going CRAZY................................. tickity tock...tickity tock....tickety tock. It's so close I think I can smell it.



It's gonna be hammer time when my set arrives.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
It's gonna be hammer time when my set arrives.

Don't forget to get some material to make a kaduku-cover.

Then you can tell everyone "You can't touch this." :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup,
I forgot to mention one thing in regards to all this scaler/processor/ native input gibberish that I’ve been posting lately which may be of interest to PC gamers like Dwayne who want to connect HTPCs to their 006’s.

Well, at the Vegas shindig, Sony also mentioned that they were offering to 004….now that be 004 owners (but I suspect that in the future they could offer it to 006 owners as it is probably just a circuit board and some new firmware) a 1080p60 upgrade.

In other words, 004 owners will be able to input 1080p60 into their projectors which I guess is good stuff for the gamers out there and I would suspect that this technology could be delivered as a option to the 006 in the future too. Can’t remember the cost ….several large.

Mmmmm. 1080p60. Yummy! [drool]

I guess that means Sony has solved the HDMI bandwidth problem.

And hey, what's "several large" when you've already dropped 30K on a projector?!?

Hey Sony! Bring this to the 006 before year's end! It'll be the ultimate JVC/Samsung/LG killer!

--Dwayne

The 004 upgrade is $3,000. See this thread for more information:

HUGE NEWS! Sony Announces a 1080P/60 Input Upgrade for the Qualia 004!!! (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=518389) :)

Good one Zechman............

Ok, here is one for you "first wavers". Please save me from going through 150 pages. I am trying to finalize my stand situation and I am starting to panic. I have to fit a 75 inch wide TV in a 54 inch wide hole..........well at least the back part of it. My question is do you think this stand would work. Is this TV too heavy for a glass bottom. I also need space in the bottom shelf of at least 15 inches for my B&W center.

http://www.bello.com/Wood/avsc-2051mc.asp

It is 52 inches wide so the back part would fit in the hole if it can even go back that far. The more important question is this stand is 24 inches high. Would this in your opinion place the center of the screen to high to be optimal. My eyes when on the couch are about 41-42 inches off the ground so I thought the center of the screen should be about that high for best results. How high are your stands.

I thought a while back most of ya were having the stand at 16 or 20 inches but maybe my mind is muddled from all the waiting. Could Penton, color or others who have stands post the type or websites. The thought of my "new girl" having to sit on the floor even for a few days gives me the willies.


sniff sniff sniff.........I smell something.

"The 004 upgrade is $3,000. See this thread for more information:
HUGE NEWS! Sony Announces a 1080P/60 Input Upgrade for the Qualia 004!!! "

Shoot, that’s DocDVD again slumming in some 004 thread.
He should get his butt over here and answer some of our input questions.

Penton....check your PM if you would be so kind.

thx

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Good one Zechman............
After all those posts of yours that made me laugh, I'm glad to return the favor. :)

Now where the hell is that helicopter?

--Dwayne

Zech...check your PM

thx

There's a fascinating review of the new Yamaha YSP-1 DSP array on Audioholics now.

http://www.audioholics.com/productreviews/loudspeakers/YamahaYSP-1DigitalSoundProjector1.php

Here's Patrick Hart's synopsis:

"Summing Up the YSP-1 Digital Sound Projector:
The Yamaha YSP-1's Digital Sound Projection is totally different and much more immersive and believable than I've heard from anything less the most precisely placed and calibrated "traditional" circle-of-surround set-ups. It is more real; and truly three dimensional in its ability to convincingly envelop the listener."

This might turn out to be a very good companion to the 006.

Originally posted by 3deye
There's a fascinating review of the new Yamaha YSP-1 DSP array on Audioholics now.


This might turn out to be a very good companion to the 006.

Boy after reading the review I am puzzled. It would appear this is an "all in one" with a zillion small speakers built inside it which then plays cray super computer with the soundfield in an attempt to bounce each speaker's sound just right. At 1499 thats um pretty cheap for all your speakers (less the subwoofer) compared to most high end solutions. I appreciate the whole "how good does it create 3d review" but I would like to know if the sound itself is truly amazing or just the effect. It would feel weird to only have "one speaker" so to speak (even if has a ton of little ones inside it) but if the sound quality is amazing as is the effect its on the "I just might do it" list. I wish they had spent more time on the quality (heck I didn't realize they weren't using surround speakers til the last page when I read the hardware used).

thesirjay,
Check your PM :D

Qualia 006 Owners...I have a question ??
Sorry if its been said before...but I did not want to scan 151 pages

And with sincere hope not to break any forum rules here....

Qualia 006 owners...where are you buying your Qualia units....

Here in New York...would it only be the main Sony Store in Manhattan ??

Two follow-up questions....

1.) I have seen competing articles...is the full manufacturer price $13K or $10K ??

2.) Will there be a 005 or 55-inch version and when ??

For Eastvillager: My local TW Cable company offered the SA 8300 HDVR and I upgraded from the SA 8000HD, so as to have the HDMI output. On my admittedly inferior Samsung HLM, I did not see much difference between the component cables and the HDMI on HD material: but, the SD material was much better. I'm on DocDVD's "next five" 006 order, so it will be a while before I'll see the SA 8300's output on a first-class display. I also have the Sony SAT T60 Direc TV SDTivo with a s-video feed to the TV. The SA 8000HD box's SD output over component was inferior to the Tivo, while the SA 8300HD through HDMI is equal, to my eye. By the way, my first SA 8300HD box had problems, and I had to exchange it. I had one of the first in the Houston area and there were apparently a lot of them with problems. The software is markedly inferior to that of Tivo; but the price is right while I wait to see how Direc TV shakes out it's HD future. I also have a Samsung T-160 DirecTV HD receiver and the HD PQ is not as good as that from the TW cable.

what is the best price that people have seen/paid or is everyone paying msrp at this point?

Discussion of pricing other than MSRP on the boards is prohibited by AVS Forum. Please do so only in PMs and email.

Having said that, all but a few of the 006s have been purchased from Sony Qualia at MSRP. Only just recently have other dealers received any allocations. The unit is in very limited production and availability, only a few hundred have been sold in the US. Do not expect substantial discounts on a limited-availability piece, no matter from whom you buy.

To soften the blow, Sony has offered (at least early on) 18-months free financing via the Sony card. Sony also offers setup with its delivery. The few dealers I know who are shipping offer delivery but not setup. At 275 lbs that's something for some of us to consider. Doc DVD and Josh Lehman have sold some 006s and also do the calibrations for 006 and 004.

At the recent Sony show, Sony indicated that smaller versions of the SXRD may become available but the timing and pricing were left unmentioned. The Qualia 005 is a large LCD panel, available later this spring -- not an SXRD.

Cheers

As I sit here watching the baseball steroid hearings in the U.S. House of Representatives (on my Q006 :D), I am reflecting upon how statistic oriented our national pastime is.

With that in mind, here are the latest stats on this thread:

It has been viewed 137,474 times and there have been 3,006 replies. Penton-Man is the clear leader in posts with 501. He is followed by colortv with 280 and kaduku with 252 posts.

When this thread eventually goes dormant, there will be no asterisks next to these members names! Thanks guys for your presence, input and patience. We all benefit greatly from your participation :).

And we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread . . .

Originally posted by jb007
As I sit here watching the baseball steroid hearings in the U.S. House of Representatives (on my Q006...

Just one more reminder of why it's CRUCIAL to get your Qualia 006 ASAP; you need movers who are on steroids to get the thing properly delivered...

:D

Originally posted by Archangel
Qualia 006 Owners...I have a question ??
Sorry if its been said before...but I did not want to scan 151 pages

And with sincere hope not to break any forum rules here....

Qualia 006 owners...where are you buying your Qualia units....

Here in New York...would it only be the main Sony Store in Manhattan ??

Two follow-up questions....

1.) I have seen competing articles...is the full manufacturer price $13K or $10K ??

2.) Will there be a 005 or 55-inch version and when ??

In answer to your questions.

1. The manufacturer’s suggested retail price (MSRP) has been
increased a second time from the original $10,950.00 to
a MSRP of over $13K probably due to demand, availability
and the possible small production supply of the LCOS panels.


2. There is a Qualia 005

QUALIA 005 is the world's first LCD flat-panel television equipped
with a TRILUMINOS™ LED Backlight System. It produces
exceptional color variation for a high quality picture that achieves
full 1920x1080 HD resolution.


(http://news.sel.sony.com/pressrelease/5558)

3. Buyers are getting the units from various sources nationwide
based on who can supply them and the selling price

4. There have been many posts from various sources stating
Sony expects to build SXRD based units in additional sizes
probably due to arrive in 2006.

So the $13,000 is Sony's official MSRP or is that what some dealers are charging due to demand ? You say over $13,000 how much is over ?? Or is that just these dealers selling this at a premium ??

So there is no truth to the rumor that when these units start to roll out more frequently in the next months or so...that the full price will go back to the original $10,000 ??

So the 005 is not just a 006 shrunk down to 55-inches....its different technology ?

When is the 005 due out ? and what is its full price ?

motormouth -
Check you PM box for a PM from P-M.

Originally posted by Archangel
1.So the $13,000 is Sony's official MSRP or is that what some dealers are charging due to demand ?
2.You say over $13,000 how much is over ?? Or is that just these dealers selling this at a premium ??
3.So there is no truth to the rumor that when these units start to roll out more frequently in the next months or so...that the full price will go back to the original $10,000 ??
4.So the 005 is not just a 006 shrunk down to 55-inches....its different technology ?
5.When is the 005 due out ? and what is its full price ?

1. 13K is the official MSRP. Some dealers are apparently sticking to Sony's guidelines...others may not be - you sort of have to do your own research and keep in mind many aren't getting their TV's exactly when they were promised from the dealers giving deals.
2. Don't understand this question and too lazy to go back to the reference post.
3. As more roll out when the supply exceeds demand, it would be natural that the prices will drop. You just don't know when and how low.
4. Different technology and I *think* it is 45 or 46" but not sure cause not interested.
5. As was stated above in another post BUT Sony is having trouble meeting the production demand for the Japanese market with this display which may translate into a delayed debut for the U.S. model.

Whew.....jb007 I should get 5 credits for this one.:)

Originally posted by jb007
As I sit here watching the baseball steroid hearings in the U.S. House of Representatives (on my Q006 :D), I am reflecting upon how statistic oriented our national pastime is.

With that in mind, here are the latest stats on this thread:

It has been viewed 137,474 times and there have been 3,006 replies. Penton-Man is the clear leader in posts with 501.
All that with the only "juice" in the house being of the orange variety.:D
In regards to the hearings, it is nice that Congress is finally doing what Selig and the Player's Union should have done in the late 1990's - but didn't because they simply wanted to not jeopardize selling more tickets.:(

Thanks...I appreciate the consideration and patience....

I guess I will just have to wait and see what happens when these start rolling out in more frequency....

This is the only TV I would consider over a front projector....like the Sony HS51

Originally posted by Archangel
This is the only TV I would consider over a front projector....like the Sony HS51
Riiiiiiiight On!

If you haven't kept with this whole thread, all of the owners here appear to be VERY happy with this TV .....almost giddy with their purchase - in that they got something MORE than they had expected.

At this point, we're all simply refining it and splitting hairs over what to hook the 006 up to.

C'mon second wavers.....start posting your impressions!

Archangel, don't hold your breath for large volumes or major reductions for a loooooooooooooooooong time. This is a showpiece model, even with high margins, it is not a something that Sony will make hundreds of thousands of units .... it just won't happen like that for a long time. Even the smaller models (if and when they come out) will still be priced at a premium to similarly-sized TVs.

JVC will come out end of 05 with a 1080p 70-inch DILA -- probably for less money. That is the only item in the forseeable future that may (emphasis on the MAY) prompt a price reduction. But Sony has historically been comfortable pricing at a premium.

This is a premium product at a premium price and will be produced in small quantities for the forseaable future. I just don't want you to come away from this thread with a misimpression on timing of price drops.

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
This is a premium product at a premium price and will be produced in small quantities for the forseaable future. I just don't want you to come away from this thread with a misimpression on timing of price drops.

Cheers

Yes, I was very interested in this set even at the $10,000 price, but when it went to $13,000, forget it, especially with no 1080p...I'm sure it's a great set, but for the money it just doesn't meet my personal price/performance quotient.

Archangel,

Please check your PM box.

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by Penton-Man
C'mon second wavers.....start posting your impressions!
What? You think I don't want to? Stop taunting me! :p

Where the hell is that barge?

--Dwayne

monday sony new york called said i would have set by end of week or earley next week yesterday i called nvc said shipped out mount pleasant pa. 3/16 transit point belle vernon pa. 3/17/05 suppose to go next to rockleigh n.j. than to me nvc said will call me 24-48 hours of arrival to schedule my delivery originally ordered 2/8/05 :) :)

truck coming with 006

monday sony new york called said i would have set by end of week or earley next week yesterday i called nvc said shipped out mount pleasant pa. 3/16 transit point belle vernon pa. 3/17/05 suppose to go next to rockleigh n.j. than to me nvc said will call me 24-48 hours of arrival to schedule my delivery originally ordered 2/8/05

Grats on the "almost there" status - Those of us in the "next 5 wave" envy you :). Anyone else have an opinion on that odd surround sound system they linked a page or so back? It is different thats for sure.

Re the Yamaha dsp surround sytem: I am planning to evaluate one for my HT. My dealer just got one in -- they were just released a week or so ago to dealers as I understand it, maybe two weeks. My concern is that it may not work so well in an open or very large room. But we'll see. I will post about it after listening to it.

Cheers

I believe that most of the talk about connecting to the Qualia is about from a DVD. How similar is connecting a Comcast DVR? Seems to me there would be some differences becaue the source is a different format. Does any body have experience with the best way to connect the DVR? I was thinking of trying all three ways (Firewire, component & DVI-->HDMI) to see what's best. But if someone has already done this and has a clear answer it would save me the trouble. Any other comments about the Comcast 2-tuner DVR? I also intend to have the Comcast cable card. Any experiences with that?

Originally posted by Ted99
For Eastvillager: My local TW Cable company offered the SA 8300 HDVR and I upgraded from the SA 8000HD, so as to have the HDMI output. On my admittedly inferior Samsung HLM, I did not see much difference between the component cables and the HDMI on HD material: but, the SD material was much better. I'm on DocDVD's "next five" 006 order, so it will be a while before I'll see the SA 8300's output on a first-class display. I also have the Sony SAT T60 Direc TV SDTivo with a s-video feed to the TV. The SA 8000HD box's SD output over component was inferior to the Tivo, while the SA 8300HD through HDMI is equal, to my eye. By the way, my first SA 8300HD box had problems, and I had to exchange it. I had one of the first in the Houston area and there were apparently a lot of them with problems. The software is markedly inferior to that of Tivo; but the price is right while I wait to see how Direc TV shakes out it's HD future. I also have a Samsung T-160 DirecTV HD receiver and the HD PQ is not as good as that from the TW cable.

Thanks for the reply. I am going to try and track down an 8300.

I look forward to your Yamaha review - I must admit I have gone to alot of trouble to keep my hometheatre in a smaller square room just to improve the sound (10ft x 11ft). With my setup it is probably a no brainer for the Yamaha to calculate such a nice square room. I am concerned about the quality though - those small speakers and the uneven response could be bad and it seemed like the reviewer was trying to "cut them some slack" and was focusing mostly on the 3d effect.

Originally posted by jb007


With that in mind, here are the latest stats on this thread:

It has been viewed 137,474 times and there have been 3,006 replies. Penton-Man is the clear leader in posts with 501. He is followed by colortv with 280 and kaduku with 252 posts.



Thanks JB for keeping us informed of these stats from time to time. Though we already know how popular this thread is, it gives us a more better idea of it this way. Yes this thread will die one day, but I think we are just in the infant stages right now, especially with the second wavers giving it momentum.

Originally posted by stuart anker
truck coming with 006

monday sony new york called said i would have set by end of week or earley next week yesterday i called nvc said shipped out mount pleasant pa. 3/16 transit point belle vernon pa. 3/17/05 suppose to go next to rockleigh n.j. than to me nvc said will call me 24-48 hours of arrival to schedule my delivery originally ordered 2/8/05

stuart anker,
Looks like you were sooooo excited that you posted twice. That's okay, we understand that feeling man!!!!! Congrats :D

Originally posted by Joel
Archangel, don't hold your breath for large volumes or major reductions for a loooooooooooooooooong time.
Super inside info for the second wavers ---

The manufacture/ship quantity for the month of March will be 450 units.:)

Originally posted by keenan
when it went to $13,000, forget it, especially with no 1080p...
Pray tell.....why do you need 1080p ?

there is at least one dealer where you can infer that he sold for 11k. he is also discounting the Sony stand. Search this thread for DOCDVD.

apparently dealers can sale for whatever price they can, as long as they don't advertise below msrp. most dealers should be willing to deal. supplies might be tight, but it's doubtful it will be tight uniformly in any given georgraphical location.

Originally posted by divedude
I am now the proud owner of a new XL-5000 (spare bulb) for my yet to be delivered 006. Now that I have the bulb, where the hell is the socket ??? And no, it's not there :eek:

Heh Dive thats kinda like buying a spare tire for an on order ferrari - at least you aren't having to buy your 006 piece by piece :)

Month 1... Screen
Month 2... Power Supply
Month 3... Remote

Why yes the waiting is driving me slowly mad :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Pray tell.....why do you need 1080p ?

Same reason one would want it on the 004..if I personally am going to spend 13K I would want it to future proof at least to the point of accepting and displaying a de-interlaced and scaled HD-DVD or BRD image.....I'm not knocking the display, I haven't seen one but from what I have read here, it sounds spectacular...but for me, that much money spent needs to come with 1080p capability...:)

Originally posted by keenan
Same reason one would want it on the 004.
But it seems like most actual owners and wannabe owners of the 004 don’t seem to think it matters much to them -

HUGE NEWS! Sony Announces a 1080P/60 Input Upgrade for the Qualia 004!!! see -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=518389&perpage=20&pagenumber=5

(With thanks to schaffer970 for finding this thread and posting it….of which I was unaware of when I posted my tidbit about whaz up at the Sony Shindig in Vegas)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
But it seems like most actual owners and wannabe owners of the 004 don’t seem to think it matters much to them -

HUGE NEWS! Sony Announces a 1080P/60 Input Upgrade for the Qualia 004!!! see -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=518389&perpage=20&pagenumber=5

(With thanks to schaffer970 for finding this thread and posting it….of which I was unaware of when I posted my tidbit about whaz up at the Sony Shindig in Vegas)

Read it carefully !!

It is a $3000 upgrade and that does not include the labor. Currently the only way to get it done is to rebox the 004 and ship it to Sony who will sell you the new hardware and charge you for the installation. The freight is very expensive $$$

Several US 004 qualified technicians are hoping to get Sony approval to perform the upgrade and they are quoting $2000. So now you are at $5000
and the only source of 1080p is a high end scaler to scale SD or a desktop or laptop.

Once Blu-Ray or maybe even HD-DVD is out, 1080p will be history since hopefully the dvd catalogs will be re-released in HD and there will be little need for SD to be scaled to 1080p.