QUALIA 006 Owner's Thread [Text View] - Page 13

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 05:50 PM

Originally posted by thestewman
Read it carefully !!

I think that I red (I like my reds on the Qualia 006!) carefully what the posters with knowledge on this subject had to say rather than those that were concerned about the cost of the “upgrade”.

To me (granted my knowledge on this stuff is elementary), it is a moot (or as spidy claims….cows say mooo) point whether the cost of this upgrade including labor is 3K, 5K, or $300. or $500. I just still see no advantage to having a 1080P/60 Input unless you are a gamer.

I think that this is evident from the well informed posters on the thread that I referenced as well as other threads on this forum…most notably this one -
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/show...427#post4964427
pay particular attention to the statement that Owen makes
“There is no chance of any 60fps video source in the foreseeable future.”

I think that the KEY point here is what does the deinterlacer in the 006 do with a 1080i 60 fields input?
Does it WEAVE the fields back together to provide the 1080p 30 frames per second image that we are seeing on our 006’s (which is extremely easy for the Sony engineers to do) or does it use “bob” deinterlacing or some other simple proprietary method to achieve this?

P.S.- If the above link doesn't work then try about the 3rd post down on Page 91 of the "Sony jumps" thread -
of which I think this was the last page...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=444411&perpage=20&highlight=tea&pagenumber=113

keenan

03-18-05, 06:22 PM

I'd do a little more research before I believed everything in that post...

thesirjay

03-18-05, 07:11 PM

Any of the other "on order" people endlessly rearranging their homes and evaluating different theatre room choices? I think my wife is getting a tad perturbed as I go hmm maybe we should do it in this room.... or you know if we moved our bedroom... so far I have placed tried to place it everywhere but the kitchen and the bathroom.... hmm the bathroom that way I would never have to move... just add a minifridge and a microwave...

DOBE

03-18-05, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
If the above link doesn't work then try about the 3rd post down on Page 91 of the "Sony jumps" thread -
of which I think this was the last page...
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=444411&perpage=20&highlight=tea&pagenumber=113

I think this is the post Penton-Man was referencing:

There is a wide spread and continuing misunderstanding of how the 1080i system works (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4964427&highlight=serial#post4964427)

There is still a question as to whether the 006 ever bobs (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4964851&highlight=captured#post4964851)

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by keenan
I'd do a little more research before I believed everything in that post...
Definitely,
It appears to me that the diver has both a tether (umbilical) AND a snorkel !!!
Seems fishy!

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 08:48 PM

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 08:51 PM

Originally posted by divedude
I've got masking tape down on the carpet marking where the 006 will go.
I did the same (except with Painter's tape -blue from Home Depot.....as it is doesn't do as much damage when you pull it off)......just wondering how many other Qualia owners had their rooms taped ?????

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by divedude
That puppy is big :D
I think that we tend to forget that alot our money is going into that size.....and the size of the pic at 9 ft. (my current viewing distance) is well...like being at the downtown theatre!

stuart anker

03-18-05, 09:04 PM

to check on size i also used blue tape home depot to mesure size on the walls & windows yes takes up a lot of space. tracking delivery of 006 since 3/16 to today it just arrived in n.j. today via nvc group on line tracking says at local office and will call me 24-48 hrs. to set up delivery day veeery close now ordered set from sony qualia n.y. on 2/8/2005 :) :)

sparkysj

03-18-05, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by DOBE
I think this is the post Penton-Man was referencing:

There is a wide spread and continuing misunderstanding of how the 1080i system works (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4964427&highlight=serial#post4964427)

There is still a question as to whether the 006 ever bobs (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4964851&highlight=captured#post4964851)

I don't think the 006 would ever need to bob, since bobbing would be extrapulating information that wasn't really there, weaving would simply be "splicing" together the two interlaced pieces making a progressive picture. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by divedude
Penton-Man,
A good diver always has a snorkel . . . that's the instructor in me talking now.
I was thinking of the old Navy Divers back in the day....the movie with Robert DeNiro, etc.:)

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 09:31 PM

Originally posted by divedude
Penton-Man,
Yep, that is the same kind of tape I use. Sounds like a survey coming up.
But we must diferentiate to satisfy the retentive types......are we talking the cheaper multi-purpose blue tape or the more expensive "fine" (read elitist) which I think costs twice as much?

stuart anker

03-18-05, 09:31 PM

took tape off on monday when they called and said was getting ready to ship soon as comes in i will post pictures

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 09:35 PM

Originally posted by stuart anker
to check on size i also used blue tape home depot to mesure size on the walls & windows yes takes up a lot of space. tracking delivery of 006 since 3/16 to today it just arrived in n.j. today via nvc group on line tracking says at local office and will call me 24-48 hrs. to set up delivery day veeery close now ordered set from sony qualia n.y. on 2/8/2005 :) :)
Welcome new member !
You may be lucky on your location as I believe the NVC's home office is in n.j. - so I would suspect that they are very familiar with their local contractors.

Penton-Man

03-18-05, 09:37 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
I don't think the 006 would ever need to bob, since bobbing would be extrapulating information that wasn't really there, weaving would simply be "splicing" together the two interlaced pieces making a progressive picture. Please correct me if I am wrong.
Unfortunately, I think most things out there do bob.....I'm trying to find out if this is the case with the 006 but my contact is not an engineer type.

sparkysj

03-18-05, 09:42 PM

Originally posted by stuart anker
took tape off on monday when they called and said was getting ready to ship soon as comes in i will post pictures

Funny how we all think alike!! Did you wife think it was stupid too.

sparkysj

03-18-05, 09:55 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Unfortunately, I think most things out there do bob.....I'm trying to find out if this is the case with the 006 but my contact is not an engineer type.

Penton, less expensive processors "bob", high end or elitist's processors "weave". Which one do you think ours does?:D

jb007

03-19-05, 12:59 AM

Originally posted by divedude
Penton-Man,
Cost is no object when it comes to blue tape. I use the elitist brand :cool:

First there was "Penton Paper," now there is "Penton Tape." Wow, sounds like you need an IP attorney (not me :))

MotorMouth777

03-19-05, 01:07 AM

I need a BIG favor from those of you with a Sony stand and someone with a slightly taller stand say 21 inch high or so.

My problem is that I am putting this in place where I currently have a 60 inch mitsu. The hole measures 54 inches wide and 58 inches high and it is plenty deep.

The favor I need is for someone to measure and determine at what point does the sloped sides of the TV equal 54 inches.......and at what point on the TV does the height of the sloped back equal 58 inches. What I am trying to determine is how much of the TV will actually fit in the hole. Since the Sony stand is 75 inches wide it will obviously not fit inside the hole but would have to sit flush on the wall or out a tad. IF when the Sony stand is flush with the wall would the sloped back or sides make contact with the walls. If not I can simply use the Sony stand and have it flush with the wall. OR I can buy a thinner stand and move more of the TV back into the hole until the sides contact the hole walls and get the TV as deeply situated in the hole as possible. No matter what a certain amount of TV will remain poking out of the hole. I am trying to determine how far back I can go before it plugs at a 16 inch high stand and the same calculation for a 21 inch or so stand. Even if the sony stand is flush with the wall the TV may be plugged before that so the stand would still have to be a few inches from the wall.

IF you could give me an idea say the 58 inch high mark is X inches down from the top or some other reference point that would help imensely. It is way too much math to try and calculate this from the Sony diagrams. Seems a simple tape measure and a Mark II eyeball sure would make this a lot easier.

This is making my head hurt.

thx

thesirjay

03-19-05, 09:04 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

IF you could give me an idea say the 58 inch high mark is X inches down from the top or some other reference point that would help imensely. It is way too much math to try and calculate this from the Sony diagrams. Seems a simple tape measure and a Mark II eyeball sure would make this a lot easier.

This is making my head hurt.

thx [/B]

Lol "a Mark II eyeball" so does that mean with glasses/contacts or do you need the full "Jordy Visor" thing?

marcsmul

03-19-05, 09:59 AM

Hi, I have a similar problem. Would appreciate any help.

I currently have a TV opening and shelving unit built into a wall in my TV room. Although it has a much smaller tv 40" it has some room for modification. 24 inchs deep and 60+inches wide. What are my chanchs of fitting a 006 in the spot? I can modify my storage and component areas.

Does anyone have the dememtions of the 006 so I can do some calibration and determine if can fit.

Is there an optimum height from the floor level for the bottom the display?

Thanks in advance........Marc

Zechman

03-19-05, 10:57 AM

Originally posted by marcsmul
Hi, I have a similar problem. Would appreciate any help.

I currently have a TV opening and shelving unit built into a wall in my TV room. Although it has a much smaller tv 40" it has some room for modification. 24 inchs deep and 60+inches wide. What are my chanchs of fitting a 006 in the spot? I can modify my storage and component areas.

Does anyone have the dememtions of the 006 so I can do some calibration and determine if can fit.

Is there an optimum height from the floor level for the bottom the display?

Thanks in advance........Marc
Hi Marc, and welcome.

On the very first post of this thread, there is a link to a Qualia 006 web page maintained by AVS user brt3. On his "downloads" section, there's a PDF file called "dimensions" that has a pretty detailed drawing of the 006 and its stand.

To answer your question, there's good news and (maybe) bad news. The good news is that your 24" depth is just about perfect--the set is 23" deep. The bad news is that you'll need a minimum of 66.5" width, assuming you remove the speakers. With the speakers attached, you'll need 75.5" of width. I don't know if your "60+inches" will be enough.*

As for stand height, that was a hot topic earlier in this thread, and general consensus was that the Sony stand is just about optimal at ~16" high, but others with taller stands up to 24" high reported that it's not so bad so long as you're sitting back far enough. Otherwise it looks a little too tall because of its sheer size. But this is all subject to your individual preferences. YMMV.

Ironically, one of the advantages of the 006 (and I suspect any 1080p set) is that the higher pixel resolution allows you to sit much closer than you'd normally sit to a set this size (for that "big screen" theater effect), because it's much harder to discern screen-door-effect.

--Dwayne

* Don't say it, Penton, we all know what you're thinking . . . :eek:

brt3

03-19-05, 01:22 PM

Originally posted by divedude
For you guys wanting to place the 006 in a confined space, you need to be aware of airflow considerations.

DD,

My real-world interpretation of the Sony requirements would be as follows. Sony asks that you maintain a minimum clearance of 4" behind the set. BUT -- there's a protruding "point" at the rear of the set that keeps the "hot" part of the set (with the ventilation grilles) off the wall by something close to this 4" requirement. I think the biggest issue (of building the set into a wall or cabinet) would be airflow. If you seal this set up without adequate air intake and exhaust (think chimney effect here) I'd think you'll reduce the bulb life significantly. This thing throws off some serious BTUs. I'd think most people will be OK here, but it's something to be aware of if you were mounting it in a tight installation...

brt3

03-19-05, 02:13 PM

Originally posted by divedude
brt3,
The manual also shows 4" of clearance on both sides and 11 7/8" on the top. From the diagram, this clearance is shown from the widest and highest part of the set. This is to provide adequate airflow. I have my degree in Electronic Engineering, so I understand the importance of preventing electronics from overheating. I was just trying to point out that there are clearance recommendations from Sony.

DD,

Agreed. I've been trying to decide how to build my set into my LR wall and have spent a lot of time figuring out the airflow. The cabinet I build will fit the set tightly on it's fascia, but will have lots of internal airflow to keep my baby cool. As I mentioned, this thing really throws off some heat from that big bulb. Then again, I'm building the set into the wall where the fireplace is located now; that ought to give me a really good "chimney" effect, no?

Penton-Man

03-19-05, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by Zechman

* Don't say it, Penton, we all know what you're thinking . . . :eek:
Would that be……60+ inches = 23.63+ cm., which is knowledge I gained after multiple years of post-grad education ? :D

sparkysj

03-19-05, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by divedude
I have my degree in Electronic Engineering

Divedude, any idea of what the 006 would do with a 1080p signal, ie, would it deinterlace it down to 540i or 1080i and weave it back to 1080p signal, or do you think it may just pass it thru? PM has got me wondering about this.:D

rcohen

03-19-05, 05:41 PM

Originally posted by texas_buff
Now that I have had my 006 for a month I have found a few of things that bug me. One, the remote with serial input change rather than direct and the slow change between inputs. Second, there is some mechanical noise as I change inputs which I assume is an iris change but it sounds bad. And last, when I go to input three, the label stays on the screen until I clear it via the display button. I am definitely going to a new remote. My questions are; are you having the same minor issues and has anyone got a great remote suggestion. Other than that, the perfect set.

I have my universal remote (MX-700) set up to select the right input directly. I think this is possible on all Sony TVs, as long as you have a way to select, download, or program the proper remote codes. I would highly reccommend the MX-700, or better yet, the MX-850.

What you hear is the iris changing. If you set two inputs to the same iris setting, you won't hear it.

rcohen

03-19-05, 05:45 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, less expensive processors "bob", high end or elitist's processors "weave". Which one do you think ours does?:D

Try CineMotion when watching movies at 1080i. That definitely does it properly. I know that the manual says that these settings only apply for 480i, but, based on the improvement, it must be a typo.

marcsmul

03-19-05, 06:07 PM

Dwane, DD Thank you:

It does look possible if I can address the ventilation issue. NOW: starting with the 006 in place what are your reccomended near top of the line complementary vidio and audio gear. I do have Directv but will wait for the new receiver.

Would appreciate your best thinking on the above.....Regards....Marc

Penton-Man

03-19-05, 06:33 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Divedude, any idea of what the 006 would do with a 1080p signal, ie, would it deinterlace it down to 540i or 1080i and weave it back to 1080p signal, or do you think it may just pass it thru? PM has got me wondering about this.:D
sparky-
As the 006 will not accept a 1080p signal, I think you mean to say...What does the 006 do ...if it is fed a 1080i signal ? Does it bob it down to get to 1080p ----or does it do a grandma weave into 1080p ????

sparkysj

03-19-05, 06:45 PM

Originally posted by rcohen
Try CineMotion when watching movies at 1080i. That definitely does it properly. I know that the manual says that these settings only apply for 480i, but, based on the improvement, it must be a typo.

I think you're right!! There does seem to be a noticable difference. Must be a typo. I also noticed a small difference with the noise reduction set to high, but nothing like CineMotion, thanks rcohen.

sparkysj

03-19-05, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
sparky-
As the 006 will not accept a 1080p signal, I think you mean to say...What does the 006 do ...if it is fed a 1080i signal ? Does it bob it down to get to 1080p ----or does it do a grandma weave into 1080p ????

Penton, do we really know 100% that the 006 will not accept a 1080p signal? We all agree it can output 1080p, could it not just pass it thru unchanged without any processing? Would the screen just go blue if feed a 1080p signal? I was hoping some of are astute engineers could help us highly educated, but electronic deficient among us.

sparkysj

03-19-05, 07:13 PM

Thanks Divedude, BTW, I used to dive alot of wrecks off the south Fl coast many moons ago, ever been there?

Penton-Man

03-19-05, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by rcohen
Try CineMotion when watching movies at 1080i. That definitely does it properly. I know that the manual says that these settings only apply for 480i, but, based on the improvement, it must be a typo.
You know --this is actually VERY, VERY interesting because sometimes (often times?) manuals are wrong.

If your eyes and sparkys eyes are not deceiving you …I think that this would suggest that the 006 is capable of doing a reverse 3-2 pull down for not only 480i sources but also for 1080i sources ---which I think would be VERY special for a RPTV (the Qualia 004 can do it).

You guys should try viewing more 1080i movie content in both Mode 1 and Cinemotion to determine if these findings are indeed valid. I doubt that the 006 is doing anything to the 1080i in Cinemotion (and the manual is probably correct) but this would be a major coup for us …..if there is a dramatic improvement with that choice!!!!!!!!!!!!

As an aside, I do notice improvement using Cinemotion with 480i content (my DVD’s) but the manual states that that would be the case anyway – so that’s nothing new.

barth2k

03-19-05, 08:06 PM

I haven't followed this thread since the 006 is out of my price range. But it is within my brother's and he is looking to replace his CRT RPTV. My question is, how would you compare the PQ of the 006 to a good 60" plasma (~$10K) from Pioneer, Fujitsu, or Panasonic. Assuming he's willing to give up 10" for thinness, would you still say the 006 is the better value due to PQ alone?

Penton-Man

03-19-05, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, do we really know 100% that the 006 will not accept a 1080p signal? We all agree it can output 1080p, could it not just pass it thru unchanged without any processing? Would the screen just go blue if feed a 1080p signal? I was hoping some of are astute engineers could help us highly educated, but electronic deficient among us.

Well my source, whom I trust says that the highest signal that the 006 can accept is 1080i 60 - so the answer to your question is that it will NOT accept any type of 1080p signal.

However, as they say.....trust but verify.
I leave that confirmation up to Dwayne and other future owners.

sparkysj

03-19-05, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by barth2k
I haven't followed this thread since the 006 is out of my price range. But it is within my brother's and he is looking to replace his CRT RPTV. My question is, how would you compare the PQ of the 006 to a good 60" plasma (~$10K) from Pioneer, Fujitsu, or Panasonic. Assuming he's willing to give up 10" for thinness, would you still say the 006 is the better value due to PQ alone?

I have a 50in PDP Panny with a iscan HD+. The 006 just blows it away in black levels, color reproduction and contrast. Nothing is better, period.

empire_of_one

03-19-05, 09:08 PM

I was down in Timonium today at the Gramophone to check out the Qualia on display there. I'd be happy to write up my thoughts on it if anyone wants me to, but since this is the owner's forum and I'm not an owner, I don't know if this is the right place to do it. Most people who have commented on the Qualia either own it already, or are naysayers putting it down without having seen it, so I can give an objective opinion. Let me know if I should post it here, otherwise I'll find another thread to post in.

sparkysj

03-19-05, 09:57 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well my source, whom I trust says that the highest signal that the 006 can accept is 1080i 60 - so the answer to your question is that it will NOT accept any type of 1080p signal.

However, as they say.....trust but verify.
I leave that confirmation up to Dwayne and other future owners.

I think you are right, PM. DocDVD just posted on another thread and confirms what you said above.

thesirjay

03-19-05, 10:09 PM

Can you link the thread? Any crumb of info is better than no crumb :).

DOBE

03-19-05, 10:16 PM

HERE (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5354951&highlight=1080p#post5354951)

Zechman

03-20-05, 01:13 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Would that be……60+ inches = 23.63+ cm., which is knowledge I gained after multiple years of post-grad education ? :D

No, actually we all thought you were thinking that 60+ inches = 152.4+ cm, which is knowledge you would have gained had you gone to the same grad school I did . . . . :eek: ;)

--Dwayne

Zechman

03-20-05, 01:24 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know --this is actually VERY, VERY interesting because sometimes (often times?) manuals are wrong.

If your eyes and sparkys eyes are not deceiving you …I think that this would suggest that the 006 is capable of doing a reverse 3-2 pull down for not only 480i sources but also for 1080i sources ---which I think would be VERY special for a RPTV (the Qualia 004 can do it).

You guys should try viewing more 1080i movie content in both Mode 1 and Cinemotion to determine if these findings are indeed valid. I doubt that the 006 is doing anything to the 1080i in Cinemotion (and the manual is probably correct) but this would be a major coup for us …..if there is a dramatic improvement with that choice!!!!!!!!!!!!

As an aside, I do notice improvement using Cinemotion with 480i content (my DVD’s) but the manual states that that would be the case anyway – so that’s nothing new.
I've been suspicious of this ever since you guys first reported that the option is not grayed out for 1080i, but is for 480p/720p. But until my set comes in, I had nothing to go on.

Maybe this question can help: Is the 006 the first Sony set with DRCv2? If so, is it still the only one?

Last weekend I was watching the Empire Strikes Back DVD at a friend's place who has a new Sony XS LCD set. We were playing with various settings, and discovered that the way to REALLY see Cinemotion is to watch the opening scrolling text. Without it, it's noticably jerky. With it, it's a whole lot smoother.

Of course, unless someone has a Star Wars movie in 1080i (or can suggest something equally useful as a test), we're still just speculating. Any suggestions of something similar that's been on HBO HD or Showtime HD lately?

--Dwayne

Zechman

03-20-05, 01:27 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well my source, whom I trust says that the highest signal that the 006 can accept is 1080i 60 - so the answer to your question is that it will NOT accept any type of 1080p signal.

However, as they say.....trust but verify.
I leave that confirmation up to Dwayne and other future owners.

Okay, again, keep sending Good Vibrations!

Where the hell is that school bus?

--Dwayne

Zechman

03-20-05, 01:40 AM

Originally posted by empire_of_one
I was down in Timonium today at the Gramophone to check out the Qualia on display there. I'd be happy to write up my thoughts on it if anyone wants me to, but since this is the owner's forum and I'm not an owner, I don't know if this is the right place to do it. Most people who have commented on the Qualia either own it already, or are naysayers putting it down without having seen it, so I can give an objective opinion. Let me know if I should post it here, otherwise I'll find another thread to post in.
Hi empire, and welcome.

An honest opinion and discussion is always welcome. This thread is also for prospective buyers to get information about the set, so IMHO the more people discussing it who've actually seen it, the better. Yes, we've has some folks stop by with a not-so-hidden agenda, but they're easy enough to spot. (Like, for instance, they don't have manners like you clearly do.)

BTW, I saw the same set at the Timonium Gramophone and posted my impressions (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5317723#post5317723), too. So bring it on!

--Dwayne

rcohen

03-20-05, 03:39 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know --this is actually VERY, VERY interesting because sometimes (often times?) manuals are wrong.

If your eyes and sparkys eyes are not deceiving you …I think that this would suggest that the 006 is capable of doing a reverse 3-2 pull down for not only 480i sources but also for 1080i sources ---which I think would be VERY special for a RPTV (the Qualia 004 can do it).

You guys should try viewing more 1080i movie content in both Mode 1 and Cinemotion to determine if these findings are indeed valid. I doubt that the 006 is doing anything to the 1080i in Cinemotion (and the manual is probably correct) but this would be a major coup for us …..if there is a dramatic improvement with that choice!!!!!!!!!!!!

As an aside, I do notice improvement using Cinemotion with 480i content (my DVD’s) but the manual states that that would be the case anyway – so that’s nothing new.

When watching movies, CineMotion appears to have the same effect at 1080i as it does at 480i. Without it, motion is jerky. With CineMotion, motion is smooth. Also, CineMotion looks sharper. The difference in motion smoothness is particularly dramatic. I'm pretty confident that it is doing 3:2 pulldown at 1080i.

I have my standard mode set with CineMotion disabled, and pro set up with Cinemotion enabled, so that I can easily switch, based on the contents.

For typical video, I would expect DRC to be better, but I haven't really noticed the difference. I find the jerky motion in movies really distracting, with 480i and 1080i inputs, when not watching with CineMotion.

MotorMouth777

03-20-05, 04:47 AM

Anyone know of a stand that is 16 inches high like the Sony but not as wide. Prefereably 54 inches wide or less. I do not have my stand situation figured out and I am beginning to panic.

MotorMouth777

03-20-05, 04:55 AM

The Qualia's have landed.................................The Qualias have landed.

Seems like the reason it has been taking so long is that Sony must have inadvertenly contracted with SAKE Airlines. But no worries mates.............the drunks flying the plane with our sets has finally landed.

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/index.php?e=hownottoland.wmv

aaronwt

03-20-05, 09:12 AM

:eek: :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:

rcohen

03-20-05, 10:43 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Anyone know of a stand that is 16 inches high like the Sony but not as wide. Prefereably 54 inches wide or less. I do not have my stand situation figured out and I am beginning to panic.
Here's what I went with:
http://www.2modern.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=322

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 10:44 AM

Originally posted by sparkysj
I think you are right, PM. DocDVD just posted on another thread and confirms what you said above.
I see my post beat his by a good 30 minutes !!!!!!
FINALLY, my typing skills are improving and I may not need to hire a Royal Administrative Assistant.:D

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 10:47 AM

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 10:52 AM

Originally posted by Zechman
I've been suspicious of this ever since you guys first reported that the option is not grayed out for 1080i, but is for 480p/720p. But until my set comes in, I had nothing to go on.

You know this brings up a good point to rcohen and sparky, because I may be losing it, but the last time I checked........when I was viewing 1080i material on one of my inputs in the Pro mode.....I could not even select "Cinemotion" in the Advanced Features as it WAS grayed out.

Perhaps rcohen or sparky can take us thru step by step how to get to Cinemotion in Pro Mode....if you've already selected Mode 1 !!!!!!!

rcohen

03-20-05, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know this brings up a good point to rcohen and sparky, because I may be losing it, but the last time I checked........when I was viewing 1080i material on one of my inputs in the Pro mode.....I could not even select "Cinemotion" in the Advanced Features as it WAS grayed out.

Perhaps rcohen or sparky can take us thru step by step how to get to Cinemotion in Pro Mode....if you've already selected Mode 1 !!!!!!!
I'm using component inputs. What are you using?

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 11:02 AM

Shoot, I've got component going in a couple, an HDMI in another, a DVI/HDMI into another......but tell us what input you're using with whatever cables and tell us how to change the mode to "Cinemotion" if one has already selected "Mode 1" in the Pro Mode.

Or are you not even in Pro but in Vivid ???

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 11:03 AM

Here’s a tweaking tidbit that I thought I would pass on.

Last night I was slumming on some other cable channels….I not talking HD channels, I’m not even talking SD digital channels…I’m talking ANALOG channels brought to me by Adelphia cable.

I watched that sub movie U-571 which with my current settings (go to page 1, check out brt’s settings – mine are the same except I’ve keep sharpness on the default setting and I use “Cinemotion” for 480i DVD sources) …..anyway it was purty hard on dee eyes.

So…….I went into the video menu…..cranked the Noise Reduction up to HIGH….which made the picture much softer (but not so blotchy) so I then cranked up the Picture and Sharpness setting to Max…..and viola ! - analog on the 006 definitely watchable and not bad at all.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 11:06 AM

Originally posted by Zechman
BTW, I saw the same set at the Timonium Gramophone and posted my impressions (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5317723#post5317723), too. So bring it on!
--Dwayne
I would also like to hear both of your impressions on dem big pigs they have at the State Fair in Timonium !!!!!!!!!
I mean....we're talking some kind of anabolic steroids, n'est pas ???

rcohen

03-20-05, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Shoot, I've got component going in a couple, an HDMI in another, a DVI/HDMI into another......but tell us what input you're using with whatever cables and tell us how to change the mode to "Cinemotion" if one has already selected "Mode 1" in the Pro Mode.

Or are you not even in Pro but in Vivid ???
I just checked. I'm running 1080i into input 4. In the advanced picture menu (in standard and pro), the DRC mode is not grayed, and I can switch the DRC mode back and forth, same as with 480i inputs.

sparkysj

03-20-05, 11:18 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Shoot, I've got component going in a couple, an HDMI in another, a DVI/HDMI into another......but tell us what input you're using with whatever cables and tell us how to change the mode to "Cinemotion" if one has already selected "Mode 1" in the Pro Mode.

Or are you not even in Pro but in Vivid ???

I was in vivid at that time, also noticed it only improves the HD ch, at least on D*.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 11:28 AM

Originally posted by rcohen
I just checked. I'm running 1080i into input 4. In the advanced picture menu (in standard and pro), the DRC mode is not grayed, and I can switch the DRC mode back and forth, same as with 480i inputs.
Thanks,
I'll check later today. I'm running component into input 5 from one of my two set top boxes (at this time it only has a "vanity" DVI output)..
I'll see if the DRC mode is not grayed out.

sparkysj

03-20-05, 11:40 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Thanks,
I'll check later today. I'm running component into input 5 from one of my two set top boxes (at this time it only has a "vanity" DVI output)..
I'll see if the DRC mode is not grayed out.

Let us know PM, this could be a discrepancy between 006's.

empire_of_one

03-20-05, 11:47 AM

Since there are no objections, I'll go ahead and post my impressions of the set here. Sorry, I didn't get a chance to check out any pigs while I was there. Maybe next time.

I went down to Gramophone in Timonium yesterday to check out the Qualia they have on display. Even though I'm not in the market for this particular TV (too rich for me), I wanted to see a 1080p set firsthand to see if it would be worth waiting for some of the newer JVC and LG 1080p sets coming out before I buy.

For the record, I'm no expert on RPTVs or PQ issues, but I've been looking at a lot of them and seen enough to know what I like and what I don't. I've bought and returned two 60" sets, a Samsung HLP-6163 (returned because the screen had a defect and because I saw rainbows; otherwise I thought the PQ was excellent) and a Sony 60XS955 (the PQ was too grainy on solids and SSE was terrible). I'm very picky and if a TV has any flaws (like SSE, SDE, Rainbows, etc) I'll end up fixating on them instead of being able to just enjoy the TV.

The Qualia was in a room with a 60" Director's Series Hitachi LCD and a smaller LG set that I didn't pay much attention to. I didn't bring any of my own source material to watch, I just watched the store feed. Most of the time they were showing an HD home improvement show, but towards the end they switched to an underwater nature show with lots of fishies and colorful coral and deep dark scenes, so it was a decent sample for the 30-45 minutes I was there looking at it.

Having the Hitachi and Qualia in the same room helped in judging how much of an improvement the Qualia offers over the less-expensive TVs that are available. I'd say the difference is substantial. The Qualia has excellent PQ; the colors are rich and bright, the contrast, black levels and depth of image are all great. During the dark underwater HD scenes, the black level was comparable to my 32" direct-view CRT TV. Next to the Hitachi, the Qualia's black levels were noticably better. I don't have enough experience with CRT RPTVs to really compare them to the Qualia on black level. My gut feeling was that a CRT RPTV probably has slightly better black levels, but the difference is minor enough that you'd have to really be a purist to notice or be concerned with it.

Contrast-wise, the Qualia really outshone the Hitachi. The Hitachi looked good on its own, but looking back and forth between it and the Qualia, the difference was obvious. After looking at the Qualia, the Hitachi looked kinda flat.

As for picture artifacts, the Qualia seems to have eliminated most of them, but not entirely.

- SDE is not an issue at all with this TV. I got up real close to the screen before I could see only the faintest of lines between pixels. Beyond a few feet you wouldn't be able to see SDE at all, no matter how hard you looked. It's comparable to the Samsung HLP in this respect.
- SSE has been reduced a lot, but it is still there to a small degree. On my XS955, the SSE would pop out at you on certain bright scenes; on the Qualia, you have to look for it to see it, but if you do look for it there is some there. In the material that was being shown, there was never any really bright scenes that lit up the whole TV, where SSE is particularly evident, so I couldn't fully determine how much SSE this TV might produce. But in the few scenes that did lend themselves to SSE, I could look back and forth between it and the Hitachi, and the Hitachi showed a lot more SSE. Overall, I don't think the slight SSE on the Qualia would be much of a problem, and I'm extremely picky about it. Really, if you aren't looking for it you won't see it. But it is one of the few things that keeps the TV from being perfect.
- Screen grain is sometimes visible on the TV. When there is a slow camera pan across a solid uniformly-colored field on the TV, if you fix your eyes on the grain of the screen you can see it remaining stationary against the moving image. This was noticeable on the home improvement show, which had a number of scenes like that. This is the only really less-than-pleasing aspect of the TV to me.
- The screen does reflect some ambient light. The TV was set up in a dark room, so it was difficult to tell just how bad it would be in a more brightly lit room. My sense was that it was there but not particularly prominent; certainly not as reflective as a Mitsubishi or Hitachi screen.
- I was a bit underwhelmed at first, but then I was watching a home improvement show at first so there wasn't much to be stunned by. The wow factor really went up once they switched to the underwater nature show. With that show, the Qualia really outshone the other RPTVs that were around.

Overall, the Qualia is unquestionably the best microdisplay RPTV on the market (which it should be since it's also unquestionably the most expensive microdisplay). Is it the same, better or worse than a properly-tuned CRT? I can't really say, at the very least they're very very close, and you'd have to set them side-by-side to do a comparison. It does have more Wow Factor than any CRT I've seen, but I can only judge against the store displays I have seen which have probably not been calibrated for their best picture. Gramophone didn't have any CRTs on display, and the only other TVs (not including FPs) that had the wow factor were a 61" Pioneer Elite plasma and a 50" Fujitsu Plasma. How does it compare to a Plasma? The 61" Pioneer was in another room and was showing a different HD feed (a soccer match) so a direct comparison is difficult. I spent a while looking at the Pioneer too, and have also seen it at a couple Tweeter stores in the area, and based on that limited sample I think I slightly prefer the plasma. But again, I'd have to see both TVs side by side showing identical material to really make an informed judgment. They're very close though.

Finally, is the Qualia worth the $13K price tag? If you have $13K to burn, and you have to have the very best, and you don't want to wait another year or so, then sure. If money's no object, you're not going to get anything better than this any time soon. $13K is out of my price range, so it's not a question I really have to ask myself. If I had $13K to spend on a TV though and if I were the patient type, I think I'd probably wait to at least see how the other 1080p sets coming out this year look. I doubt they could be any better than the Qualia, but if they're not much worse either, then the lower price and the wider range of screen sizes (I'd prefer a 60") might be worth the wait. Anyone who is lucky enough to own a Qualia however certainly won't be disappointed.

sparkysj

03-20-05, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by thesirjay
Can you link the thread? Any crumb of info is better than no crumb :).

Sorry about that, thesirjay, you know how you've been on the PC all day and start to go blind? I had the link listed but it didn't work, then my eyes went on the small print. Plus I am blind as a bat anyway:D

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 12:00 PM

Originally posted by empire_of_one
Finally, is the Qualia worth the $13K price tag? If you have $13K to burn, and you have to have the very best, and you don't want to wait another year or so, then sure. If money's no object, you're not going to get anything better than this any time soon.
Nice prose.
And the above in your last paragraph echoes the sentiments at the end of the "Sony jumps" thread. As she said (that be my Calculus teacher - it's all in the timing.:)

P.S. - I sure wish somebody would report on dem pigs !!!
Postcript #2 - I would also like to know where Gramaphone was getting a soccer match in HD ??????....unless it was on VOOM....I can't find anyway to get em in that format.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 12:02 PM

On the note of inputs and cables and such……..I know that we have all been pushing getting a DVD player that passes 480i over HDMI to the 006 (if you don’t already have a player) as an interim solution before Blu-ray.

Well, THAT is an important caveat….because just remember if you are planning on getting a Blu-ray unit this Dec. (when they are supposed to make it to market)…you’ll undoubtedly want to hook it up to one of your Qualia 006 HDMI inputs.

If you have 1080i programming coming into your house (in my case via a couple of set-top boxes from Adelphia) and you do a lot of TV watching….I would assume you would desire to run a DVI/HDMI cable from the box to your other HDMI input on the back of the 006 (sorry color and rcohen…I just can’t see using component cables to feed a 1080i signal to the 006 – when digital cables are available)

Well you’re then out of HDMI inputs my friend. Unless you buy a switcher, and those things open up a can of worms (I think….) last time I checked regarding handshake issues, etc. No ? I think people have been having problems with DVI switchers for awhile.

So, after all this ….you’re only option to hook up your old DVD player into the Qualia is one of the components inputs. Ergo.. the importance of buying a DVD player that passes 480i over HDMI for those that are planning on purchasing a Blu-ray unit in Dec. becomes a transitory situation for say 9 months or so.

I’m currently running a Panny via component passing 480i to the 006 and the pic looks just fine – and I assume I’ll just keep that connection come Blu-ray installation – to watch my DVD’s that didn’t make it onto the Hi-Def format yet.

P.S. – Of course, the above reasoning may all go out the window if by using component cables allows one to engage “Cinemotion” when viewing 1080i source material.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 12:09 PM

Originally posted by Zechman
No, actually we all thought you were thinking that 60+ inches = 152.4+ cm, which is knowledge you would have gained had you gone to the same grad school I did . . . . :eek: ;)
--Dwayne
Dwayne, the above miscalculation may have not been intentional but perhaps based upon the lack of rudimentary mathematical training in my UNDER-grad years.

You see, I was fortunate enough to date my Calculus teacher during my whole freshman year at U.Va. (which relegated my math skills to non-existent – but sure did hone my other skills!!!).

She was a definitely HOT…..early 20’s - a million dollar smile, built like a brick house. Imagine 30 – 40 guys during an early morning class gazing their eyes upon a woman that would put Jen Lopez to shame while she was scribbling derivatives? and such on the blackboard. You had 30- 40 guys in a constant state of arousal for over an hour ….and she knew it.

For you lurkers out there, think U.Va. in the early seventies…..her name be Rubio. True story. I was the guy riding the Penton.

jp2

03-20-05, 12:55 PM

Is anyone using the jvc hm-dh5u d-theather deck with their 006? I'm on my 2nd jvc deck and still can not get the hdmi to handshake properly with the 006. The component works ok but I get a 303 error when trying to play a d-theater tape via the hdmi.
It's strange that the 006 also doesn't seem to accept a 1080/24PsF signal when the 004 accepts it just fine. I was in Japan recently and spoke with some of the folks at qualia and they mentioned that the 006 had the latest electronics. In fact I was looking at the qualia 001 (stand alone video processor) and asked if it would help the 006 improve pq, and they said no. BTW, the 006's in Japan have a separate avc type box that contains all the inputs and outputs whereas the US version has it integrated. The Japanese version also had a USB port although they did not know what for! One thing that I wish the US version had was the very nice remote that the Japanese had. It not only looked neat (it worked like a heavy duty clamshell type phone) but it was amazingly fast when scrolling thru the channels/options.
Does anyone else that owns an 006 use a htpc?
Thanks for any followup,
jp

Zechman

03-20-05, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I would also like to hear both of your impressions on dem big pigs they have at the State Fair in Timonium !!!!!!!!!
I mean....we're talking some kind of anabolic steroids, n'est pas ???
Unfortunately, I've never been there for the State Fair.

Do the pigs have home run derbys or something? ;)

--Dwayne

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 01:05 PM

Originally posted by jp2
It's strange that the 006 also doesn't seem to accept a 1080/24PsF signal when the 004 accepts it just fine. jp
Not too strange jp...as they've got different processors.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Zechman

Do the pigs have home run derbys or something? ;)
--Dwayne
"I'm here to talk about the future...not the past." - or he said something to that effect with his advocate at his side.:(

sparkysj

03-20-05, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man

P.S. – Of course, the above reasoning may all go out the window if by using component cables allows one to engage “Cinemotion” when viewing 1080i source material.

Penton, I am using DVI to HDMI cable out the sat box. The DRC mode is not grayed out in vivid, standard or pro. The CineMotion setting works in all 3 video modes. In 1080i, I noticed a fairly good improvement in the vivid mode, but not on the SD chs, but in Pro mode, the CineMotion did seem to clear up the SD chs as well as the HD chs! If I had to guess, I would say by 15-20% conservatively. And as you found, it makes a tremendous difference in DVD playback. This is just IMHO.

MotorMouth777

03-20-05, 01:46 PM

Penton Wrote

For you lurkers out there, think U.Va. in the early seventies…..her name be Rubio. True story. I was the guy riding the Penton.

Now I'm concerned.................I thought you said your pretty teacher Rubio was the one riding the Penton-Man.

Penton what is the square root of 69?.............................Ate something!

LMAO

Where the hell is my TV.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 02:28 PM

Originally posted by rcohen
I just checked. I'm running 1080i into input 4. In the advanced picture menu (in standard and pro), the DRC mode is not grayed, and I can switch the DRC mode back and forth, same as with 480i inputs.
Well I’m finding this whole thing confusing now.

I checked two inputs running 1080i into my 006.

Input #5 – running it in via component cables from a cable set top box
Input #6 – running it in via DVI/HDMI from another cable set top box.

The cables seem to have nothing to do with it.
I can select “Cinemotion” in either the Standard or Vivid modes but while in the Pro Mode – I can’t seem to be able to enter the DRC mode menu to select “Cinemotion.”

And to add more consternation to the situation – I’ve got component cables running into Input #4 where a couple months ago….I selected “Pro” mode and at that time I WAS able to select “Cinemotion” – because that’s where it’s set on now – and I can’t change it…I’m stuck with the Cinemotion setting in “Pro” mode.

I don’t know if what we have here is a difference in displays or if perhaps maybe it is a pressing button sequence thing on the remote in order to choose “Cinemotion” in the Pro mode…..or maybe you can only choose this with input #4 ?????????

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 02:31 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, I am using DVI to HDMI cable out the sat box. The DRC mode is not grayed out in vivid, standard or pro. The CineMotion setting works in all 3 video modes. In 1080i, I noticed a fairly good improvement in the vivid mode, but not on the SD chs, but in Pro mode, the CineMotion did seem to clear up the SD chs as well as the HD chs! If I had to guess, I would say by 15-20% conservatively. And as you found, it makes a tremendous difference in DVD playback. This is just IMHO.
sparky -
Just try to compare Cinemotion vs Mode 1 when you watch movies that are coming over your sat box in 1080i and see if you can discern a difference like rcohen does. If so, is it subtle (that could be bias - as your're not doing a double blind test) or is it easily noticable?

Get the wife to help.:)

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 02:35 PM

I mean people, if we've got sets that can go a reverse 3-2 pulldown (Cinemotion) for 1080i movies.....this is indeed GREAT news !

sparkysj

03-20-05, 03:16 PM

Penton,

I will definitely try the double blind thingme later on, if my wife is up to it. She did notice a difference when she came in the room, after I put it on CineMotion. This was without prompting, BTW. I can not explain your input#4??? Mine switches back without any problems.

JimP

03-20-05, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by Zechman
Unfortunately, I've never been there for the State Fair.

Do the pigs have home run derbys or something? ;)

--Dwayne

The loosers wind up at the pork chop tent. :D

stevel

03-20-05, 08:37 PM

I just wanted to poke my head in here and say thanks to everyone who has been posting to this thread. I made it through page 66 and then jumped to 152. You folks convinced me of what I already suspected - that the 006 was the best TV out there. I'd love to have it in my living room, and, while $13K is quite a lot to swallow, I'd be willing to pay it. My current TV is a Sony KPR-53XBR45 which, when I bought it, was "cream of the crop". That was seven or eight years ago, and the $5000 I paid then was quite a lot for a TV.

The one fly in the ointment is that 70" is just too big for my room. I've been spending the day with the tape measure, and I just can't fit it, even without the speakers (which I wouldn't use anyway.) So I'll just cross my fingers and hope that Sony brings SXRD technology down to the 60" size, which is what I can use. I'll be visiting LV in June and will go to the Sony store there to see the 006 and find out what I'm missing.

Meanwhile, I'll be envious of you 006 owners. Enjoy the show!

brt3

03-20-05, 08:53 PM

Originally posted by stevel
I just wanted to poke my head in here and say thanks to everyone who has been posting to this thread... You folks convinced me what I already suspected - that the 006 was the best TV out there. The one fly in the ointment is that 70" is just too big for my room. So I'll just cross my fingers and hope that Sony brings SXRD technology down to the 60" size...

Steve -- I think everyone here hopes Sony's SXRD technology trickles down to smaller and lower-priced models. Glad the thread has been of help to you; hope the smaller sets come out soon...

A lot has been said about the Qualia's price tag. I will not say that $13K is cheap, but IMHO the set is very reasonably priced given it's high performance level. I spent $10K two years back for the best 50" plasma I could find; the 006 is several orders of magnitude better. B.Q. (Before Qualia) I was considering a plasma for my bedroom, but I find it tough to watch most other displays A.Q...

So, I will also look forward to the smaller SXRD sets, as they will make an ideal second set for my overly-finicky optical units. Who among us will be the first two-Qualia household???

:D

On second thought, I'm betting there are guys with Q004s who have a Q006 as a second set...

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 09:08 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, I am using DVI to HDMI cable out the sat box. The DRC mode is not grayed out in vivid, standard or pro. The CineMotion setting works in all 3 video modes. In 1080i, I noticed a fairly good improvement in the vivid mode, but not on the SD chs, but in Pro mode, the CineMotion did seem to clear up the SD chs as well as the HD chs! If I had to guess, I would say by 15-20% conservatively. And as you found, it makes a tremendous difference in DVD playback. This is just IMHO.
sparky-
I just thought of something. Maybe some other selection that I've made such as color temp., Noise reduction, direct mode, hell maybe picture and brightness......maybe one of these choices is keeping me out of accessing the DRC Mode in order to select Cinemotion.

How about posting ALL of your selections in the Pro mode ...from picture on down and I'll change everything to yours to see if I can unlock the DRC mode while in "Pro" picture mode.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 09:15 PM

Originally posted by stevel
The one fly in the ointment is that 70" is just too big for my room. I've been spending the day with the tape measure, and I just can't fit it, even without the speakers (which I wouldn't use anyway.) So I'll just cross my fingers and hope that Sony brings SXRD technology down to the 60" size, which is what I can use. I'll be visiting LV in June and will go to the Sony store there to see the 006 and find out what I'm missing.

Meanwhile, I'll be envious of you 006 owners. Enjoy the show!
Wecome Steve.
I posted on p. 138 this:

From the Sony show in Vegas.....
"We hope to have a 50-60" version debut by the end of the year."
:)
The "Sony show" being the Open house a couple weeks ago.
"We" meaning a spokesman for Sony.

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 09:17 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Who among us will be the first two-Qualia household???

:D

I think that may be Denzel.
One in the pool house one coming for the upstairs bedroom.

kaduku

03-20-05, 09:18 PM

sparkysj

03-20-05, 09:41 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
sparky-
I just thought of something. Maybe some other selection that I've made such as color temp., Noise reduction, direct mode, hell maybe picture and brightness......maybe one of these choices is keeping me out of accessing the DRC Mode in order to select Cinemotion.

How about posting ALL of your selections in the Pro mode ...from picture on down and I'll change everything to yours to see if I can unlock the DRC mode while in "Pro" picture mode.

Penton, here goes,

Picture mode pro
picture 58
brightness 31
color 30
hue 0
sharpness 20
color temp cool
noise reduction medium
direct mode off
drc cinemotion
drc palette custom 3
BN smoother off
cinema black pro off
color space wide
color corrector high
dte medium
clear white off
detail enhancer high
black corrector high
gamma corrector medium
white balance no change factory settings

Hope this helps!!!!

jb007

03-20-05, 09:43 PM

Originally posted by brt3
On second thought, I'm betting there are guys with Q004s who have a Q006 as a second set...

brt3:

Or vice-versa :D

jb007

03-20-05, 09:51 PM

First, let me state that I don't think this is a Q006 issue.

When watching filmed network programs on NBC (D* NBC East, Ch. 82) recently recorded on an HD TiVo (such as: L&O's, West Wing, Medical Investigaton) connected to the Q006 via HDMI, I am seeing a half to one inch translucent purple bar running horizontally across the very top of the screen. Sometimes the color is green, depending on the background color of the picture. I notice this on HD programs, as well as SD commercials that appear letter boxed.

This phenomenon does not appear on CBS, ABC or FOX, as far as I can tell. I have not had the opportunity to check live TV (which shouldn't make a difference), NBC West (D* Ch. 83) or local NBC OTA.

Has anyone else seen what I am describing?

Penton-Man

03-20-05, 10:05 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, here goes,
Hope this helps!!!!
Thanks sparky,
I'll try em later tonight and see if it unlocks it for me.

sparkysj

03-20-05, 10:32 PM

BTW,anyone else try these settings above, brt3, Color, Kaduku, jb007, nhey, tulsa, anyone?

These settings work extremely well on D*. Great in HD(what isn't) but clears up SD quite a bit, again, IMHO.

sparkysj

03-20-05, 11:27 PM

This is off topic, but on c-span right now the House Sub-committee is discussing the Terri Schiavo case an interesting but sad case, also to my field something I face on a regular basis.

brt3

03-20-05, 11:47 PM

Sorry to go OT w/sparky, but it is late so maybe the thread is kinda empty. Anyone else think the Congress should get on with business and leave Terri Schiavo & Major League Baseball alone? I'd like to have the Judicial judiciate, the Legislative legislate, and the Executive executate (sorry -- couldn't resist).

And -- while they're at it -- let's have the FCC get it's act together so that I can see more HD content on my Q006 and legally record/archive the HD content broadcasters are sending into MY home...

OK -- got that out -- down off my soapbox now!

On a lighter note, has anyone else seen "Pulp Fiction" in HD on their Q006 yet? WOW -- just amazing; this is THE definitive film to show someone who doubts the black level performance of this set. Also, Discovery HD is showing a "Blue Angels" short film that is pretty jaw-dropping...

On another note; "Lost In Translation" was hugely disappointing in HD via Comcast. There was a terrible amount of noise and compression artifacts in the picture. I just rec'd my D-VHS copy, and will report back any differences.

sparkysj

03-21-05, 12:19 AM

Originally posted by brt3
I'd like to have the Judicial judiciate, the Legislative legislate, and the Executive executate (sorry -- couldn't resist).

:)

skoolpsyk

03-21-05, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by sparkysj

color temp cool

I had always heard that typically color temp "warm" settings are closer to 6500k?

kaduku

03-21-05, 10:06 AM

Originally posted by sparkysj
BTW,anyone else try these settings above, brt3, Color, Kaduku, jb007, nhey, tulsa, anyone?

These settings work extremely well on D*. Great in HD(what isn't) but clears up SD quite a bit, again, IMHO.

Sparky
Ive set up with brt3's setting, which looks similar to PM's setting. At work right now so I can't verify, but you can check it out on page one. Very happy with it until I can pro calibrate.

G.B.

03-21-05, 10:46 AM

How soon till pro calibrate ? Has one close to UMR to give his tips ?

G.B.

03-21-05, 10:51 AM

P.S. Color TV would be a good one...He watches monitors all the time in his editing work...If he would post his menu settings that would be a plus to the forum....Or others that would be experienced in calibration

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:46 AM

Originally posted by sparkysj
BTW,anyone else try these settings above, brt3, Color, Kaduku, jb007, nhey, tulsa, anyone?

These settings work extremely well on D*. Great in HD(what isn't) but clears up SD quite a bit, again, IMHO.
sparky,
I would try brt's settings except keep the sharpness at the default and set the color space to wide. See how you like it for the change. I think the settings that you have in the "Pro" mode (with the exception of a few) are not that different than the default settings in the "Standard Mode" - if I recall correctly.

Just realize that using brt's settings will probably require you to have minimum lighting in your home theater - which I don't know is possible because I can't remember your room.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:47 AM

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
I had always heard that typically color temp "warm" settings are closer to 6500k?
Correct,
Please see my post above directed to sparky.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:50 AM

Originally posted by brt3
Sorry to go OT w/sparky, but it is late so maybe the thread is kinda empty. Anyone else think the Congress should get on with business and leave Terri Schiavo & Major League Baseball alone?
Schiavo - stay out...it is politics at its worst.
baseball - stay in.....they have gotten away with murder for years.
(Roger Marris shouldn't have an asterik next to his name, these power hitters should)

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by G.B.
How soon till pro calibrate ? Has one close to UMR to give his tips ?
I believe it's nhey on or around May 4- if all goes according to schedule.

umr

03-21-05, 11:52 AM

Originally posted by G.B.
How soon till pro calibrate ? Has one close to UMR to give his tips ?

I would be more than happy to take a look at one if someone in the Houston area has one they would like some help with. PM me if you are interested.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:53 AM

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:54 AM

As dive…..dude! still hasn’t received his 006 and has entered a Qualia quest to build his display in a piecemeal fashion, it may be time for you to purchase your next part….the screen. The screen manufacturer for the 006 is Arisawa – something else I don’t think you will find in the manual.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 11:56 AM

The above tidbit was also for G.B., as a follow-up to who makes dem screens?

brt3

03-21-05, 12:27 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
sparky,
I would try brt's settings except keep the sharpness at the default and set the color space to wide... Just realize that using brt's settings will probably require you to have minimum lighting in your home theater - which I don't know is possible because I can't remember your room.

Even though I got those settings by optimizing for the DVE D-VHS tape, they seem to work pretty well during daylight hours. The Qualia is a torch and I can't watch the thing without some ambient lighting in the room. I do agree that you should be OK leaving the sharpness at the default setting. I noticed a difference with DVE, but with actual video content I don't think there's a significant difference. As to the color-space setting, that's personal preference. The set seemed more accurate with color space at normal, but to each his own. Though I think the Qualia is remarkable it requires some new thinking about color space, particularly as regards reds. Speaking of red -- watched "The Incredibles" last night and this is another excellent reference for the set. The details the Qualia brings out are, well, incredible; I usually don't think of animation as a reference, but there are some amazing textures and details in this film...

Ted99

03-21-05, 01:35 PM

umr--pls check your PM

thesirjay

03-21-05, 01:51 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup,
Like I thought, there is one menu selection, when made, locks one out of DRC mode thus unavailing one to choose between the different modes and “Cinemotion.” – something you won’t find in the manual.

Ok no fair taunting - what the heck is this mystical setting that causes you to lose the cinemotion option?

Btw I am also on the "almost ready to build it piecemeal" list-- this waiting... god its excruciating!

JimP

03-21-05, 03:02 PM

Those who are having problems getting the "DRC mode", are you sure that you're sending it a 480i signal?? On other Sony sets, when you send them a 480p signal, you loose access to some advanced settings that include the "cinemotion" setting. The reason for this is that you're already sending it a progressive signal, therefore the settings you're trying to access won't be of any use.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Even though I got those settings by optimizing for the DVE D-VHS tape, they seem to work pretty well during daylight hours. The Qualia is a torch and I can't watch the thing without some ambient lighting in the room.
I know brt, I know and I agree.:)

It’s just that I’m trying to bring sparky down slowly from his “cool” temp. setting – so he can appreciate the “warm” temp. setting in your recommendations ….immediately. :)

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 05:25 PM

Originally posted by thesirjay
Ok no fair taunting - what the heck is this mystical setting that causes you to lose the cinemotion option?

At least somebody is listening.:)

In the general video menu there is an option entitled “Direct Mode”. Of which you can select “On” for a natural, soft picture……or “Off”.
Well friends if you select “On” for this option, it greys out (disables the ability to enter) the DRC Mode where one can select “Cinemotion” if one cares to.
:)

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 05:26 PM

Originally posted by Ted99
umr--pls check your PM
Hey Ted,
No fair whispering.
Are you going to invite umr over to your place to tweak the 006 or not ?

brt3

03-21-05, 05:35 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
...It’s just that I’m trying to bring sparky down slowly from his “cool” temp. setting – so he can appreciate the “warm” temp. setting in your recommendations ….immediately. :)

Clever, PM, clever...

BTW, Sparky, if you look at "cool" and then switch to "warm" you will NOT be impressed -- everything will look far too rosy. Our eyes can't adjust quickly enough to compensate. Try viewing at "warm" for a good 30 minutes or more, then switch back to "cool" -- see what you think then.

Or PM and I shall continue to bother you until you see the error of your ways...

:D

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 06:01 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Clever, PM, clever...

BTW, Sparky, if you look at "cool" and then switch to "warm" you will NOT be impressed -- everything will look far too rosy. Our eyes can't adjust quickly enough to compensate. Try viewing at "warm" for a good 30 minutes or more, then switch back to "cool" -- see what you think then.

Or PM and I shall continue to bother you until you see the error of your ways...

:D
sparky,
In your world, think of it as brt and I are trying to wean you off a respirator.:)

sparkysj

03-21-05, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
sparky,
In your world, think of it as brt and I are trying to wean you off a respirator.:)

Now I get it!! I have switched to the warm setting for aliittle while the back to cool. Now back to warm for aliittle while longer!! And guess what, much better on warm! I will from this point on be a "warm" dude. Thanks Penton and brt3! BTW, Penton, I just don't understand why? you can't get on CineMotion. Is anyone else having the same problem? brt3? Maybe it's a difference in the 006's? I did get mine sometime after you did, Penton. It seems like no matter what I do the DRC is not grayed out, and I can select CineMotion at will. Let's ask color, jb and kuduku to try to go on CineMotion. How is your input#4 Penton, is that still stuck?

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 07:07 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
[B . It seems like no matter what I do the DRC is not grayed out, and I can select CineMotion at will. Let's ask color, jb and kuduku to try to go on CineMotion. [/B]
In the Video menu select "On" for the Direct Mode and then see what happens to your availability of Cinemotion in the DRC Mode.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 07:09 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Now I get it!! I have switched to the warm setting for aliittle while the back to cool. Now back to warm for aliittle while longer!! And guess what, much better on warm!
Me thinks this dude could breath on his own the whole time.:)
Take out that E-T tube now.:D

brt3

03-21-05, 07:12 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
I will from this point on be a "warm" dude. BTW, Penton, I just don't understand why? you can't get on CineMotion. Is anyone else having the same problem?

Way to go, Sparky! It is really funny how we get used to things. White is a funny example; even laundry soaps try to give you a "blue" white because people perceive it as whiter. I, of course, only use genuine 6500K calibrated laundry detergent...

I'll try to look at my set tonight and let you know what my Cinemotion options are...

sparkysj

03-21-05, 07:25 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
In the Video menu select "On" for the Direct Mode and then see what happens to your availability of Cinemotion in the DRC Mode.

OK, that does gray out the Cinemotion. So that was it! You are good to go now? That's the other majic button?:D

sparkysj

03-21-05, 07:35 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Way to go, Sparky! It is really funny how we get used to things. White is a funny example; even laundry soaps try to give you a "blue" white because people perceive it as whiter. I, of course, only use genuine 6500K calibrated laundry detergent...

I'll try to look at my set tonight and let you know what my Cinemotion options are...

It's a 6500K world!

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 07:51 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
OK, that does gray out the Cinemotion. So that was it! You are good to go now?
Yup,
I picked up “The Bourne Identity” on sale from Circuit City” for but one piece of Penton Paper – as per brt’s prior recommendation of great DVD transfers but, I’ll probably watch all of our favorite HD shows tonight.

Hell, last night I even watched that hilariously absurd shark movie – just to see more HD content……and it was just Beau – TEE – File on the 006.

I just loved the way the babe pulled the spear out of that guy’s shoulder….not to mention all the sharks swimming in armada like fashion with their dorsal fins a showin.

sparkysj

03-21-05, 08:23 PM

Penton, Congrat!!!! Over 1000 posts! Good job and enjoy Bourne Identity, and excellent choice and Penton Paper well spent!

reincarnate

03-21-05, 08:31 PM

Originally posted by brt3
Steve -- I think everyone here hopes Sony's SXRD technology trickles down to smaller and lower-priced models.
A lot has been said about the Qualia's price tag. I will not say that $13K is cheap, but IMHO the set is very reasonably priced given it's high performance level. I spent $10K two years back for the best 50" plasma I could find; the 006 is several orders of magnitude better. B.Q. (Before Qualia) I was considering a plasma for my bedroom, but I find it tough to watch most other displays A.Q...

It is quite clear that even Sony is having a difficult time manufacturing LCOS display panels. SXRD is a high-end niche segment. Here is what you really want (in Sony's next generation products and NOT just front projection either):
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200502/05-007E/index.html
or
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=513521

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 08:35 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Penton, Congrat!!!! Over 1000 posts!
Shucks,
I didn’t notice when that happened.
It looks like all that “molesting” (yep, motor, she spent some time on top) by my teach during my first year at U.Va. when I was but a wee young laddie of 17 (for part of the year) didn’t hurt me at all.

In fact, I just didn’t turn out normal, it appears I turned out Spay-cial.
:D
Watch your 6 Rogo!

schaffer970

03-21-05, 08:38 PM

Penton-man, thought you would enjoy this Sherman's Lagoon (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/shermans.asp) (March 21).

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by reincarnate
It is quite clear that even Sony is having a difficult time manufacturing LCOS display panels. SXRD is a high-end niche segment. Here is what you really want (in Sony's next generation products and NOT just front projection either):
http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200502/05-007E/index.html
or
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?threadid=513521
reincarnate -
Is that really you???
I thought you had been banned from this whole forum for personally insulting Paul Bigelow- multiple times!- (and just about every other knowledgeable person on ANY thread) and producing a first hand assault against the Panny DVD player......which you eventually purchased I heard.
To the uninformed that is sort of like sycore buying an 006.:)

Exactly how many of your posts have been deleted by moderators to date?

Also to the uniformed, Paul Bigelow is one of the kindest, knowledgeable, giving people on AVS forum AND the original author of these two threads (the Sony and Panny DVD players which a lot of us use with our 006’s:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=465186&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=463025&perpage=20&pagenumber=1

Folks, reincarnate makes sycore look like an altar boy.
The last thread that I read where he posted....he chastised Kris of “Secrets” DVD benchmarks for his methodology and evaluations.

kaduku

03-21-05, 09:20 PM

The Qualia cover is finally complete and I am very pleased with it :D

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 09:27 PM

Originally posted by divedude
Penton-Man,
You can't beat bikini babes, sharks and HD all in the same movie. OK, it doesn't take much to make me happy :D
Agreed, me neither, although at the very beginning of the movie with the "housewife" on the inflatable with her friends showing all the cleavage - did more for me than all the spring-breakers that followed.

And apparently that place attracted all species of sharks....I mean I thought I saw a Bull, a black tip, and assorted aquarium types.

I especially liked the catch of the wind skier? surfer?

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 09:28 PM

Originally posted by schaffer970
Penton-man, thought you would enjoy this Sherman's Lagoon (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/shermans.asp) (March 21).
That my friend is perfectly a propos to our recent discussions.
LOL, LOL, LOL....:D

jb007

03-21-05, 09:49 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
The Qualia cover is finally complete and I am very pleased with it :D

Kudos, kaduku. That looks awesome. Personally, I'm too lazy to utilize a cover, but if I did, I'd want yours :D

colortv

03-21-05, 09:57 PM

A little bit OT...

I rented the new Sony HVR-Z1U HDV 1080i camcorder this weekend and took it to Death Valley. Due to the torrential rains that pounded California this winter, the desert is experiencing a one-in-a-generation wildflower bloom. I've been to Death Valley many times but NEVER seen it like this! Such a desolate and forbidding place, but to see it overflowing with brilliant wildflowers is amazing.

Just as incredible is the HDV camcorder. The HVR-Z1U is the more upscale version with many features not found on the "consumer" HDR-FX1. Learning the tricks to get the most out of the camera was daunting, but the purpose of the trip was twofold: to see the flowers and to see how capable the camera is. After a few hours of heavy use, I mastered the camera and enjoyed shooting not only the flowers, but many of Death Valley's stunning vistas and intricate and finely detailed geological features.

I watched the videos I on my Qualia 006 this morning and was treated to yet another jaw-dropping visual experience. FINALLY I have captured the beauty of one of my favorite places on the planet in such a realistic way that watching the video is like a virtual vacation. The camera produces STUNNING, rich, highly detailed images. It's hard to believe a $5000-ish camcorder can produce such high quality film-like video. Sony's HDV camcorders are a perfect mate to the Qualia 006 - connect them via iLink and be prepared to be awestruck.

The only thing that will likely keep me from buying one of these cameras is the bulk. They are meaty 3-CCD cameras, even bigger than the gawdawful big VHS camcorders of yore. I've gotten spoiled by the ease and convenience of "guerrilla style" shooting with my pocket size mini-DV single CCD SD camcorder. No doubt a smaller size 1080i HDV camcorder is in development at Sony, but it may not be available for quite awhile. If you can deal with the size of either the HDR-FX1 or HVR-Z1U, you can watch your own videos on your Qualia 006 that rival the very best content the pros are able to deliver.

I'm working out the best way to edit my HDV videos and output the finished product to watch on the 006. Much to my disappointment, even though I was able to successful pass the HDV video through my JVC DVHS deck via iLink and watch it on the 006, attempts to record and clone the HDV video to DVHS were unsuccessful. Playing back a DVHS dub I made from the HDV master, the playback video stutters every few seconds and breaks into blocks. I've heard there is no problem cloning HDV Type 1 video from a JVC 720p camcorder to DVHS, but HDV Type 2 from the Sony 1080i camcorders is not compatible with DVHS (thanks a lot Sony vs JVC). I plan to edit my Death Valley HDV video with either iMovie HD or the upcoming version of Final Cut Pro HD which will be compatible with 1080i HDV. Then hopefully watch the edited videos on the 006 by connecting my Mac G5 via DVI/HDMI to the TV. This problem will be resolved when we can burn high def DVD's onto HD Blu-Ray discs. Apple has already announced support for Blu-Ray, which means the early adopter snag I am wrestling with will probably not be a problem one year from now.

By the way if you live anywhere near Southern California, do yourself a favor: see the outstanding California Poppy bloom near Lancaster, then get to Death Valley within the next 2-3 weeks. It won't be long until Furnace Creek lives up to its name and torches the flowers. The rangers say you won't likely have a chance to see a wildflower bloom like this for another 100 years.

Penton-Man

03-21-05, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by colortv
this winter, the desert is experiencing a one-in-a-generation wildflower bloom. I've been to Death Valley many times but NEVER seen it like this! Such a desolate and forbidding place, but to see it overflowing with brilliant wildflowers is amazing.

get to Death Valley within the next 2-3 weeks. It won't be long until Furnace Creek lives up to its name and torches the flowers. The rangers say you won't likely have a chance to see a wildflower bloom like this for another 100 years.

Agreed color,
It apparently is so magnificent that NBC Nightly News has shown a segment from Death Valley twice within the past several days.

But why is it that everytime you post something, it ends up costing me $$$$ ?:)

brt3

03-21-05, 10:45 PM

kaduku,

That cover rocks, dude! I have to admit I didn't think the logo would make all that much difference, but it really looks fantastic -- nice job!

schaffer970

03-21-05, 10:49 PM

colortv, for those of us who are no longer close enough to get to Death Valley in the next couple of weeks, a favorite picture or two of what you saw would be appreciated. I spent some time in Death Valley, the hot springs to the east in Nevada (can't remember the name) and up to the top of Whitney years ago.

sparkysj

03-21-05, 10:52 PM

Color, nice review!! I have a feeling we're going to need editing lesions next!!!

Kaduku, pro job to say the least!!!!!

thesirjay

03-21-05, 11:36 PM

Ok guys I am in need of some advice. Home Theatre seating.... I hear "Berkline" a ton but I am wondering who else is out there (or if someone has a particularly good lead on Berkline that is of interest too). I enjoy the power recline option (rather then the ole hurk and jerk). Motorized just seems so much cooler. I am looking for the cushy never want to get up kinda chair (that with the Qualia may = death by dehydration/starvation but heh thats the way to go!).

So far I am seeing prices of about 1000 per seat hoping to either find a better deal or a better chair for around there.

All advice welcome so far costco is about the only place I have seen with any kind of discount and the info available seems pretty sparse.

skoolpsyk

03-22-05, 12:00 AM

Originally posted by brt3
The Qualia is a torch and I can't watch the thing without some ambient lighting in the room.

Even when using the "cinema black" setting? I thought that's what it was for?
I still haven't heard if anyone has used this mode and calibrated it to where the set can be watched in total darkness.

brt3

03-22-05, 12:21 AM

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
Even when using the "cinema black" setting? I thought that's what it was for?
I still haven't heard if anyone has used this mode and calibrated it to where the set can be watched in total darkness.

skoolpsyk,

The term "torch" may be an exaggeration, but was used to convey this set's light output when properly set up. Having had many CRT projectors (both front and rear) the Qualia really shines regarding light output (sorry!)...

I find it tough to watch the set with the room completely dark. Bias lighting is an ideal answer for this, and I usually use some to make it easier on the eyes. When I try to watch the set in darkness it's usually late, my wife's asleep, and my eyes are already whipped...

MotorMouth777

03-22-05, 03:05 AM

Its time for a group hug...................................

Kaduku.............that cover is simply outstanding. Now you are making me feel inadequate. That is one hell of a SXRD condom.

Zeckman...............you got any update from Doc? My spider sense says we are close but I am just guessing.

Brt3 your site is helpful. How about letting us upload pics and stuff to a new section. You can be the keeper of the flame.

Diver your help on the stand is appreciated.

Color and Spark your input has been key to my decision.

Jb007 you are like the grandaddy of the 006 being the biggest swinging dick to get one first. Even though you boned Penton? to do it.

Penton....................you are truely a piece of work......................I need a hug. Have no info on where the hell my set is and I am growing tired of spanking my monkey waiting for this set. I probably have the most dipshit posts of anybody outside of sycore because of this.

Now I have very BAD news. I do think this waiting has cost me an extra $11,000 as I am getting close to pulling the trigger on the Velodyne 1812 to "enhance" the ambiance of the 006. I was gonna upgrade to the DD-18 but the monster just seems so awesome on paper. How can I look my guests in the eye after buying the absolute best RPTV available today and have some weenie sub for the LFE.

Penton, I am jealous of your biking. I trust you don't act your age and still traverse on two wheels................as soon as I got married my bride coerced me to sell my Suzuki TS-185 and my GS-1100. Ahhhhhhhh the power of her little thingy eh. I will NEVER forgive myself for caving in like that.

Penton............this is for you......note the 27 chapters at the bottom of the page. This is damn cool.

http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chapter1.html

brt3

03-22-05, 03:34 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Brt3 your site is helpful. How about letting us upload pics and stuff to a new section. You can be the keeper of the flame.

Penton, I am jealous of your biking. I trust you don't act your age and still traverse on two wheels....as soon as I got married my bride coerced me to sell my Suzuki TS-185 and my GS-1100.

MM777,

Thanks; I'll look into figuring out a way to handle uploads...

Damn, I'm lucky. My wife not only tolerates my Qualia habit, she also goes motorcycling with me! Got a BMW R1150GS Adventure that we ride, along with a Ducati MH900e. Have to add a cycle-section to the Qualia page...

colortv

03-22-05, 04:22 AM

Originally posted by schaffer970
colortv, for those of us who are no longer close enough to get to Death Valley in the next couple of weeks, a favorite picture or two of what you saw would be appreciated. I spent some time in Death Valley, the hot springs to the east in Nevada (can't remember the name) and up to the top of Whitney years ago.

I'll post 5 pics, all still frames grabbed from the HDV video taken with the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder, downsized and compressed from 1920x1080 to 640x360 to fit within the AVS Forum size constraints.

Each of the 5 still frames are in successive posts. Even though the images are downsized, it's obvious that the HVR-Z1U is capable of gorgeous video. I wish you could see the real thing on a Qualia 006. There's that WOW factor again!

The first pic was en route to Death Valley near Lancaster, California on 3-19-05

colortv

03-22-05, 04:24 AM

Still frame #2 from the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder.

Taken in Death Valley 3-19-05 during the most opulent wildflower bloom in 100 years.

colortv

03-22-05, 04:25 AM

Still frame #3 from the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder.

Taken in Death Valley 3-20-05.

colortv

03-22-05, 04:27 AM

Still frame #4 from the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder.

Taken in Death Valley 3-20-05.

colortv

03-22-05, 04:28 AM

Still frame #4 from the Sony HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder.

Taken in Death Valley 3-20-05.

Zechman

03-22-05, 09:32 AM

All right, you two, settle down.

BTW, "truth" is something I discuss with philosophers, priests, and monks.

Here on AVS, I prefer to discuss facts and opinions.

Let's not get confused about which is which.

--Dwayne

kaduku

03-22-05, 10:25 AM

Originally posted by colortv

Each of the 5 still frames are in successive posts. Even though the images are downsized, it's obvious that the HVR-Z1U is capable of gorgeous video. I wish you could see the real thing on a Qualia 006. There's that WOW factor again!

Color,
The pics look awesome and can only imagine how do they look the the Q006. I am patiently waiting for a replacement for my Sony minidv recorder and this might be it, though a smaller and cheaper version would be preferred.

schaffer970

03-22-05, 10:44 AM

colortv, thanks for the pictures! Rain in Death Valley is simply an amazing thing. One has to wonder how the seeds survive the heat and the long periods without rain.

Thanks again!

MotorMouth777

03-22-05, 11:58 AM

Zechman..............any updates on delivery yet? I had to watch 24 last night in Standard Def on a 60 inch Mitsu..............The scan lines, the 4:3 aspect ratio, the washed out color, the squinting at the fuzzy picture. I won't even watch a DVD till the new girl arrives.

......................Yikes what a nightmare.

Ted99

03-22-05, 12:45 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hey Ted,
No fair whispering.
Are you going to invite umr over to your place to tweak the 006 or not ?

Yes, I have invited him and he has accepted. Now, DOCDVD simply? has to do his job with the "next five". Waiting, waiting........ Ted

colortv

03-22-05, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by schaffer970
colortv, thanks for the pictures! Rain in Death Valley is simply an amazing thing. One has to wonder how the seeds survive the heat and the long periods without rain.

Thanks again!

It is amazing the seeds could survive the 120-130 degree summer days. The wildflowers in Death Valley only exist there, so they have obviously adapted. A ranger explained that it takes intense rain to wash off the waxy coating that protects the seeds and allows this type of bloom. If you've been there before, you know that Badwater is 282' below sea level and a slightly mushy salt bed. After the heavy winter rains, it's now a 2' deep lake extending for many miles, and a very relaxing barefoot stroll.

Enough OT from me for now... thanks for listening!

Another still image grabbed from video shot with the HVR-Z1U HDV camcorder.... Badwater - Death Valley, CA 3-20-05

G.B.

03-22-05, 12:51 PM

This is Great..... UMR is the Best.....G.B.

colortv

03-22-05, 12:51 PM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Zechman..............any updates on delivery yet? I had to watch 24 last night in Standard Def on a 60 inch Mitsu..............The scan lines, the 4:3 aspect ratio, the washed out color, the squinting at the fuzzy picture. I won't even watch a DVD till the new girl arrives.

......................Yikes what a nightmare.

Sorry to tell you that last night's 24 looked GORGEOUS on the 006!

umr

03-22-05, 01:40 PM

Originally posted by G.B.
This is Great..... UMR is the Best.....G.B.

I don't know about that, but I will give it a whirl. Does anyone have some suggestions on service/user menu adjustments that they found useful beyond the usual level, sharpness, color and gray scale items.

HiDef Bob

03-22-05, 02:19 PM

Colortv,

I passed on your post re: the HVR-Z1U to a local dealer here in Vancouver, Canada. This was his reply -

"We just had a made for television movie shot on the HVR-Z1U called “Incursion”. They also used a Mini 35 adapter so they could use 35mm motion picture lenses on this camcorder. The unit has ground glass inside which oscillates and creates a film like look. The director Jeffrey Lando said that the results were better than with a $100,000.00 camcorder. He bought this camcorder from us. The shoot is finished and now they are at post.

We finally sold a consumer version, but they are hard to sell. The professional camcorder offer so much more. Do you want one Bob? We have the Sony HVR-Z1U Camcorder and the HVR-M10U Deck in stock."

Sony seems to have come up with an amazing little camcorder for an amazingly low price in terms of its quality. I wish I had the money to buy one ... naturally along with a Qualia 006!

Bill

03-22-05, 02:51 PM

Colortv,

"24" doesn't come close to CBS's "CSI Miami" which isn't as good as "The Discovery Channel-HD" but then, like sex, there is no bad HD just some is better than others. :)

colortv

03-22-05, 03:14 PM

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
Colortv,

I passed on your post re: the HVR-Z1U to a local dealer here in Vancouver, Canada. This was his reply -

"We just had a made for television movie shot on the HVR-Z1U called “Incursion”. They also used a Mini 35 adapter so they could use 35mm motion picture lenses on this camcorder. The unit has ground glass inside which oscillates and creates a film like look. The director Jeffrey Lando said that the results were better than with a $100,000.00 camcorder. He bought this camcorder from us. The shoot is finished and now they are at post.

We finally sold a consumer version, but they are hard to sell. The professional camcorder offer so much more. Do you want one Bob? We have the Sony HVR-Z1U Camcorder and the HVR-M10U Deck in stock."

Sony seems to have come up with an amazing little camcorder for an amazingly low price in terms of its quality. I wish I had the money to buy one ... naturally along with a Qualia 006!

If I was going to buy either of Sony's current HDV camcorders, I'd spend the extra $$ and go for the HVR-Z1U pro version. The extra features are worth the money. The camera is SO good I think Sony will have a problem convincing content providers to buy their much more expensive cameras. Of course they are better for many pro situations, but this smaller and cheaper camera could fill the bill for many production scenarios. Being able to edit any film or video production is a must and thankfully Sony and Apple have worked together to make the upcoming version of Final Cut Pro HD compatible with HDV.

Anyone considering one of these cameras to shoot their own HD videos to watch on their Qualia 006 will not be disappointed. I am so tempted.... thankfully I have a good connection who will rent a HVR-Z1U for a decent rate.

colortv

03-22-05, 03:19 PM

Originally posted by Bill
Colortv,

"24" doesn't come close to CBS's "CSI Miami" which isn't as good as "The Discovery Channel-HD" but then, like sex, there is no bad HD just some is better than others. :)

Agreed! But interestingly not everything on Discovery HD is awesome. I recall seeing a few shows that had the suspicious look of upconversion. When you get used to seeing crisp HD on the 006, anything less stands out. I'm not sure what the producers of those shows could have done to degrade their HD video unless they started out in SD. I don't recall the shows - I didn't spend much time watching them.

Bill

03-22-05, 03:19 PM

Colortv,

That Sony HD camcorder only does 1,000x1080. It interpolates up to 1440x1080.

colortv

03-22-05, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Bill
Colortv,

That Sony HD camcorder only does 1,000x1080. It interpolates up to 1440x1080.

The still frames I exported from iMovie are 1920 x 1080 by default. I scaled them down in Photoshop for posting here on the forum.

Bill

03-22-05, 03:26 PM

The camcorder outputs 1920x1080? It only has a 1,000x1080 chip. Maybe those Discovery shows were shot with a consumer Sony HD camcorder or worse yet a JVC. :) Those commercial HD cameras aren't expensive for nothing, just like your Qualia.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:38 PM

Originally posted by colortv
A little bit OT...

I rented the new Sony HVR-Z1U HDV 1080i camcorder this weekend
From where color?

colortv

03-22-05, 03:39 PM

Originally posted by Bill
The camcorder outputs 1920x1080? It only has a 1,000x1080 chip.

I'm not certain about the output specs. I am fairly certain that the camera does not capture native 1920x1080. The video within iMovie or Final Cut Pro HD is 1920x1080. Perhaps the codec Apple is using is interpolating? When I saved the still frames from iMovie to post on the forum, I paused playback on the frame I wanted to use and selected "save frame" - the still frame is saved as a 72x1920x1080 jpeg which I downsized in Photoshop.

Anyone wanting to compare features between Sony's consumer and pro HDV cameras should check this out. And do some serious price shopping - street prices are rumored to be considerably less than MSRP with careful shopping.

http://www.hdvinfo.net/articles/sonyhdrfx1/compare.php

colortv

03-22-05, 03:40 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
From where color?

Penton,

I'll PM you with that info.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:41 PM

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

Penton, I am jealous of your biking. I trust you don't act your age and still traverse on two wheels................
Correct,
It's still a hoot to kick the butts of 20 year old "experts" but, not on a Penton these days.:)

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:47 PM

Ah...Troll scroll for this one......you guys know what I mean. No sense in encouraging yet another cyborg.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:51 PM

Originally posted by Zechman
Here on AVS, I prefer to discuss facts and opinions.

Let's not get confused about which is which.

Hello Dwayne-
Fact - The pigs at the state fair in Timonium are LARGE !
Opinion - Theys got to be feeding em somethin special.:D

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 03:54 PM

Originally posted by Ted99
Yes, I have invited him and he has accepted. Now, DOCDVD simply? has to do his job with the "next five". Waiting, waiting........ Ted
Fabulous,
I'm very interested to see what umr can do and if it will translate into a finer picture for all of us.

umr - I'm glad that you kept in touch, because we've never heard from you since the beginnings of the "Sony jumps" thread.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 04:01 PM

Originally posted by umr
I don't know about that, but I will give it a whirl. Does anyone have some suggestions on service/user menu adjustments that they found useful beyond the usual level, sharpness, color and gray scale items.
Well in my case, I've found that brt's settings listed on page 1 - suit me the best with a couple of minor changes (sharpness - left at default, Color Space switched to Wide).

I don't believe that anybody here has ventured into the "Service" menu probably due to fear.:eek:

The current tweaking question is whether Cinemotion actually effects 1080i material - which the manual claims it doesn't - but one owner here claims it does...which he says shows a noticable improvement in movie watching.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 07:23 PM

Originally posted by skoolpsyk
Even when using the "cinema black" setting? I thought that's what it was for?
I still haven't heard if anyone has used this mode and calibrated it to where the set can be watched in total darkness.
I’m not sure that anyone really has… so I don’t think you missed anything. I played with “Cinema Black Pro” and “Black Corrector” and the reduced power setting for the lamp momentarily and I think that if you choose to do your viewing in total darkness – you should be fine with some combination of the above being activated.

However, I completely agree with brt in that a little ambient lighting really works to your advantage and is MUCH less harsh on the eyes. Keep in mind also that you will inherently have increased visual acuity in an environment with some light as more cone cells in your retina will be firing.

In the end, I guess it’s a personal thing. A nice attribute of this set is that with a change in many of the settings, one really does appreciate a significant difference in the pic rather than the menu settings simply be listed for vanity purposes.

umr

03-22-05, 07:29 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
...umr - I'm glad that you kept in touch, because we've never heard from you since the beginnings of the "Sony jumps" thread.

I have been watching, but did not want to post here because I am not an "owner". I did post a short review in another thread based on what I saw in Vegas, but I am really looking forward to a much closer look at one of these beasts. I don't like making comments about a TV that I have had such little exposure to. That may all change after I get my hands on Ted's though.

umr

03-22-05, 07:37 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well in my case, I've found that brt's settings listed on page 1 - suit me the best with a couple of minor changes (sharpness - left at default, Color Space switched to Wide).

I don't believe that anybody here has ventured into the "Service" menu probably due to fear.:eek:

The current tweaking question is whether Cinemotion actually effects 1080i material - which the manual claims it doesn't - but one owner here claims it does...which he says shows a noticable improvement in movie watching.

I'll take brt's suggestions into consideration.

I don't have much fear, but I suspect there is little to be gained in the service mode on this TV. I won't venture into the service mode unless I find a problem that would require it. The best set in my opinion would be one that needs no service mode adjustments.

I'll also look into 1080i and see if I can see a difference with Cinemotion. I have some D-Theater tapes which are 1080i film and some that is video that I plan on looking at. I also have a copy of 720p DVE that I plan on looking at. Unfortunately, I don't have the 1080i version of DVE. I tried ordering it several times a long time ago and they kept sending me the 720p version. I finally gave up out of frustration.

kaduku

03-22-05, 07:49 PM

I remember someone here using a Pioneer 59avi with their Q006. I am planning to replace my player with one of these. Any inputs please :D

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 08:02 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
I remember someone here using a Pioneer 59avi with their Q006. I am planning to replace my player with one of these. Any inputs please :D
I think that is the BEST player for the 006 - and I would have purchased it myself if I didn't plan on getting Blu-ray as soon as they become available.

In fact, if you listen to alot of CD's, Blu-ray or not, it's a good purchase as far as I'm concerned.

Just make sure you get one with the latest firmware.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 08:18 PM

Yeah,
It looks like the second wave is finally showing up to doorsteps.

We want pics.
We want impressions.
We want no sleep from you for 24 hr. !!

brt3

03-22-05, 08:24 PM

Originally posted by divedude
This is indeed going to be a GOOD Friday :D ...I live out in the country, so if they don't get lost I will be watching Q-Vision Friday night. :cool:

DD,

That's great -- congrats! You are going to love it...

kaduku

03-22-05, 08:32 PM

Originally posted by divedude
This is indeed going to be a GOOD Friday :D Starpower called and said their shipment of Qualia 006's are scheduled to arrive Thursday afternoon and asked if they could deliver mine on Friday. Quicker than a shark can attack, I said yes please. I live out in the country, so if they don't get lost I will be watching Q-Vision Friday night. :cool:

Heres to all the second wavers!!!! Good news DD :D :D :D

3deye

03-22-05, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
It looks like the second wave is finally showing up to doorsteps.

Yup... my dealer called today and told me that my delivery is scheduled for next Tuesday. It could actually be here Friday but there's too much rain in the forecast this week and this delivery has to be done on a dry day. If it's raining next Tuesday we'll just have to punt.

My stand isn't going to be ready for another month, so the floor will have to suffice for awhile.

Now to call Comcast and set up the installation for cable and the 6412. I'm going to try to also get a CC working in the unit by splitting the signal, so wish me luck.

kaduku

03-22-05, 08:47 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I think that is the BEST player for the 006 - and I would have purchased it myself if I didn't plan on getting Blu-ray as soon as they become available.

In fact, if you listen to alot of CD's, Blu-ray or not, it's a good purchase as far as I'm concerned.

Thanks PM,
This is all the response I need to make the move tomorrow. I'm giving up on my Denon 3910, though a great player, I am unable to produce the sound that I expect from SACDs and DVD-As, unless I run it via firewire to a compatible Denon receiver with firewire, which cost about $4000 to $5000. I plan to match the 59avi with the Elite 56tx :D

kaduku

03-22-05, 08:49 PM

Originally posted by 3deye
Yup... my dealer called today and told me that my delivery is scheduled for next Tuesday. It could actually be here Friday but there's too much rain in the forecast this week and this delivery has to be done on a dry day. If it's raining next Tuesday we'll just have to punt.

My stand isn't going to be ready for another month, so the floor will have to suffice for awhile.

Now to call Comcast and set up the installation for cable and the 6412. I'm going to try to also get a CC working in the unit by splitting the signal, so wish me luck.

G,
You go boy!!!!! :D

colortv

03-22-05, 09:00 PM

You newbies be sure to change the default video settings on your 006's right away to the "pro" settings suggested on post #1 of this thread, lest you be disappointed at the cool blue, harsh and contrasty factory "vivid" settings. You will see a huge improvement and it only takes a couple of minutes.

Remember, each input has individual settings - on my set I punched in the same settings to every input and so far have had no reason to make any changes. Perhaps you will want to tweak further, but at least you will be starting with decent settings.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 09:10 PM

Originally posted by kaduku
Thanks PM,
This is all the response I need to make the move tomorrow. I'm giving up on my Denon 3910, though a great player, I am unable to produce the sound that I expect from SACDs and DVD-As, unless I run it via firewire to a compatible Denon receiver with firewire, which cost about $4000 to $5000. I plan to match the 59avi with the Elite 56tx :D
Regarding the newest firmware (506) –which is what you would want …as it fixes the previous C/Y delay problem…..(thanks to Rob Tomlin and Bob Pariseau for alot of this)

Build dates seem to vary but from the posts I have read….. July 2004 build or later should have 506 firmware.
The build date is found on the Serial Number label on the back of the machine. The firmware level can only be seen if you hook the player up to a TV. The method for bringing up the firmware number on the TV is…..

In Initial Settings->Options, while at this menu press DISPLAY in the remote, at the bottom of the screen you can see the firmware version. There has been 306, 406 and 506.
A new 59avi in a factory sealed box purchased from an authorized vendor really shouldn't have any issues with this, but if you are worried, tell your vendor that he has to plug in the unit and show you the firmware number before you'll pay for it.

If you want to purchase on-line, I *think* DocDVD is selling these.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 09:11 PM

P.S.-
Once you get the player, I'll list some MUST menu tweaks to pass 480i over HDMI(which I'll assume you plan to do) to get BOTH BTB and WTW data to pass correctly.

Penton-Man

03-22-05, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by 3deye
It could actually be here Friday but there's too much rain in the forecast this week and this delivery has to be done on a dry day. If it's raining next Tuesday we'll just have to punt.

My stand isn't going to be ready for another month, so the floor will have to suffice for awhile.

You're tellin me. SoCal just surpassed the record for the 2nd wettest year since they started tracking these things (the 1800's ????).

Which stand did you decide on?

MotorMouth777

03-22-05, 09:23 PM

Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee The second wave is coming. I've got my nose pressed to the window waiting............waiting.

Here I go again...............fantasizing over big hairy men and delivery trucks.

sparkysj

03-22-05, 09:30 PM

Originally posted by colortv
If I was going to buy either of Sony's current HDV camcorders, I'd spend the extra $$ and go for the HVR-Z1U pro version. The extra features are worth the money. The camera is SO good I think Sony will have a problem convincing content providers to buy their much more expensive cameras. Of course they are better for many pro situations, but this smaller and cheaper camera could fill the bill for many production scenarios. Being able to edit any film or video production is a must and thankfully Sony and Apple have worked together to make the upcoming version of Final Cut Pro HD compatible with HDV.

Anyone considering one of these cameras to shoot their own HD videos to watch on their Qualia 006 will not be disappointed. I am so tempted.... thankfully I have a good connection who will rent a HVR-Z1U for a decent rate.

Color,

As you know, I am dying to pull the trigger on one of these babies!!! And as you know I live up here in the Smoky Mnts, which is absolutely beautiful, especially on some of the deep park mnt trails. Ask brt3!! I will make a deal with you!! We will both pull the trigger and then exchange ''tapes"!
Granted, yours will probably be of better editing quality, but I promise to do my best, maybe after some practice, you wouldn't even be embarrassed to show. I might need a few tips.:D

sparkysj

03-22-05, 09:46 PM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Yipeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee The second wave is coming. I've got my nose pressed to the window waiting............waiting.

Here I go again...............fantasizing over big hairy men and delivery trucks.

Motormouth,

I think I can speak for everyone on the thread on this one. Your 006 arriving will be the most celebrated 006 ever!!! In fact, we will mark that day as MM day! Also, nose pressing is OK, just don't start "window licking".:D

sparkysj

03-22-05, 10:30 PM

Originally posted by divedude
This is indeed going to be a GOOD Friday :D Starpower called and said their shipment of Qualia 006's are scheduled to arrive Thursday afternoon and asked if they could deliver mine on Friday. Quicker than a shark can attack, I said yes please. I live out in the country, so if they don't get lost I will be watching Q-Vision Friday night. :cool:

DD,

congrats, be prepared to be totally, jawing dropping, knee knocking amazed. You may need some betablockers to keep your hands from shaking when you are trying to put on your connections!!

Zechman

03-22-05, 10:38 PM

Originally posted by sparkysj
Motormouth,

I think I can speak for everyone on the thread on this one. Your 006 arriving will be the most celebrated 006 ever!!! In fact, we will mark that day as MM day! Also, nose pressing is OK, just don't start "window licking".:D

Speak for yourself, sparky! I'll be celebrating the arrival of mine just a tiny bit more than MM's . . . . :D:D:D

I sent Josh (a.k.a. DocDVD) a pest email today and he responded that he's expecting them in his store this week.

--Dwayne

kaduku

03-22-05, 10:45 PM

Originally posted by Penton-Man

In Initial Settings->Options, while at this menu press DISPLAY in the remote, at the bottom of the screen you can see the firmware version. There has been 306, 406 and 506.
A new 59avi in a factory sealed box purchased from an authorized vendor really shouldn't have any issues with this, but if you are worried, tell your vendor that he has to plug in the unit and show you the firmware number before you'll pay for it.

You da man!!!!! Oops! I mean da Penton-Man, Thanks for saving me the time, instead of asking on the 59avi owner's thread.

thesirjay

03-22-05, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by Zechman
Speak for yourself, sparky! I'll be celebrating the arrival of mine just a tiny bit more than MM's . . . . :D:D:D

I sent Josh (a.k.a. DocDVD) a pest email today and he responded that he's expecting them in his store this week.

--Dwayne

Oh god... if it arrives this week in Utah... shipping time to Minnesota.... With a minor miracle it could be in on Friday... Ok realistically mid next week but still its nice to think about a day. I sure hope it comes true... Thanks for sharing (and saving me from hitting him with the same pest email :) ) This next five club is beginning to feel like a brotherhood of suffering. Maybe we should get tattoos after or something heh.

sparkysj

03-22-05, 10:58 PM

sparkysj

03-22-05, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by thesirjay
Oh god... if it arrives this week in Utah... shipping time to Minnesota.... With a minor miracle it could be in on Friday... Ok realistically mid next week but still its nice to think about a day. I sure hope it comes true... Thanks for sharing (and saving me from hitting him with the same pest email :) ) This next five club is beginning to feel like a brotherhood of suffering. Maybe we should get tattoos after or something heh.

UH OH, thesirjay, we will have thesirjay day marked as well. When your 006 gets there, all previous suffering will become a distant memory!!!

FilmMixer

03-23-05, 12:20 AM

Haven't posted in a while... works been crazy....

This set rocks!!! Am enjoying it more and more everyday. I am having one problem though... bought a Bello 2572 stand cause I didn't want to pop for the Sony stand... Got it all set up... the stand wobles like jello...

I am returning that stand and once again Josh @ DocDVD came through.. emailed late Sunday after putting my precious baby on the wobble stand... Sony stand will be here tommorow... Josh, if you are reading this, you rock!!!! I might try out one of the Yamaha Digital Sound Projectors if it doesn't sit too low on this stand...

For anyone with the stand: Does it come as one piece? Just curious... you new oweners are in for a treat...

brt3

03-23-05, 12:33 AM

Originally posted by FilmMixer
For anyone with the stand: Does it come as one piece? Just curious... you new oweners are in for a treat...

FilmMixer,

Glad you're having fun!

The stand comes in one rather large box, in one piece. As you may have read, the top/front trim plate comes off; this retains the front of the set and a strap locks down the rear...

3deye

03-23-05, 12:34 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Which stand did you decide on?

Thanks for asking... <g>

Well... I have an unusual layout here. The 006 is for our bedroom, and it entailed rotating everything in the room 45-degrees. The 006 is in one of the corners and the bed is diagonally opposite it (11' viewing distance), so we're having 5 new pieces of furniture made, 4 of them triangular. The stand itself is actually a (near) isosceles trapezoid because the sub will sit behind the whole shebang in the corner. The stand is 86" wide at the front, and is completely enclosed (I'm using infrared repeaters) with four doors for components, dvd's, etc. Above the (well ventilated) component compartment is a 42"wX9"h compartment that the Yamaha YSP-1 will slide into, so the overall effect of the corner of the room will be a series of different-sized symmetrical rectangles. Should be interesting... The set itself sits on top of the stand (5 casters hold the thing up) and will be strapped to it for quake protection. There's lots of ventilation for the set, so we should be fine heat-wise. Due to all the custom engineering of the stand, it costs about half as much as the 006, but heck... this baby needs to be treated right, and I'm just doing what I think is necessary to make it all work.

kaduku

03-23-05, 12:51 AM

Originally posted by 3deye

Well... I have an unusual layout here. The 006 is for our bedroom

Due to all the custom engineering of the stand, it costs about half as much as the 006, but heck... this baby needs to be treated right, and I'm just doing what I think is necessary to make it all work.

Hey G,
I didn't know you were filthy rich, you're gonna owe me big time when I get that cover made for you :D

......So whats you're family TV?

kaduku

03-23-05, 12:57 AM

Originally posted by Penton-Man
P.S.-
Once you get the player, I'll list some MUST menu tweaks to pass 480i over HDMI(which I'll assume you plan to do) to get BOTH BTB and WTW data to pass correctly.

Will do PM! I would love to get this thing over the web (cheaper), but I am getting it at Best Buy/Magnolia Hi-Fi, since it is a trade for the Denon 3910 that I bought from them.

3deye

03-23-05, 01:41 AM

Originally posted by kaduku
Hey G,
I didn't know you were filthy rich, you're gonna owe me big time when I get that cover made for you :D

......So whats you're family TV?

Hey man, I'm not rich! I'm just a video freak from way back who's been watching a 10yrold 35" XBR and building up a tremendous amount of anticipation for HD. And I have a very sweet wife who allows me my eccentricities. The custom furniture is all to make her happy (ie to create a positive WAF). Such is life (it's only money, right? life is short).

There actually is no family TV. We have a little 20" crt in the lvng rm where our 4yrold daughter occasionally watches horse and nature videos, but she only watches about 4 hrs/week total. The 006 is just for the two of us to watch after the young'un goes nitenite. Most of our friends aren't big on TV and we figured that snuggling and movie-watching would be a fun date-like activity just for us. (Man, local movie theaters have such bad PQ and programming these days that I needed to take it into my own hands.) Heck, we don't even sleep in this bedroom.

Weird, huh.

One of the 006-waiting activities I've been doing these past 2 months has been to program my own film festival in preparation for pulling the trigger on netflix. I have 200 films on the list now and at 4/week, I might be able to get through them in a year.

:rolleyes:

And oh yeah... I _will_ owe you big-time for that cover... Mucho appreciadisimo, Kaduko!

JimP

03-23-05, 01:49 AM

Originally posted by 3deye
(Man, local movie theaters have such bad PQ )

Lets talk. What about the people who want to talk throughout the movie, cell phones going off, people kicking the back of your seats. Helps justify the expenditure on the 006.

MotorMouth777

03-23-05, 01:53 AM

thesirjay........Zechman......Divedude..........?????....... I think Doc expects them in his Utah store this friday. Who is closest to Utah......he will be the lucky dude.

Maybe we should just start calling ourselve the "Fabulous Five" The Fab 5, I kinda like that. Kind of a counter point to the jb and the "Originals" eh? I'm so excited my naughty parts are tingly. Whoa there little fella.........thats not the only thing that is pressed up against the glass right now.

MotorMouth777

03-23-05, 01:57 AM

Possible Penton Sighting..................

Zechman

03-23-05, 08:42 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
thesirjay........Zechman......Divedude..........?????....... I think Doc expects them in his Utah store this friday. Who is closest to Utah......he will be the lucky dude.

Maybe we should just start calling ourselve the "Fabulous Five" The Fab 5, I kinda like that. Kind of a counter point to the jb and the "Originals" eh? I'm so excited my naughty parts are tingly. Whoa there little fella.........thats not the only thing that is pressed up against the glass right now.
I believe that Ted99 is the fifth member of the DocDVD band-of-brothers. Maybe we could start a band! :cool:

I'm guessing I'm the farthest away, since I'm on the east coast in VA. :(

And if Josh only gets four sets, boy-oh-boy you guys are never gonna hear the end of it from me! :mad:

Where the hell is that pack mule?

--Dwayne

rcohen

03-23-05, 09:31 AM

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Now I have very BAD news. I do think this waiting has cost me an extra $11,000 as I am getting close to pulling the trigger on the Velodyne 1812 to "enhance" the ambiance of the 006. I was gonna upgrade to the DD-18 but the monster just seems so awesome on paper. How can I look my guests in the eye after buying the absolute best RPTV available today and have some weenie sub for the LFE.

I have a Velo DD15, and I was stunned and surprised with how good the thing sounds. It's night and day difference than any other sub I've heard. Going up from there to the DD18 or 1812, I think it just depends on whether you need more power to fill a large room (and you have room for the sub itself).

A few teasers:
Unlike any other sub I've heard, you don't hear any emphasized notes. When calibrated, the response is perfectly flat and natural - never boomy.
It does a great job with low notes and impact/slam.
It sounds fantastic for music and movies.
Unlike my old sub, there is no indication of where the sub is placed. I think you can localize most subs from higher frequency distortion harmonics, but they are absent on the DD.
It seems like the sub is off, and your main speakers are producing full frequency sound.

I had no idea how great it would be when I bought it. I was just unsatisfied with my old sub (a Sunfire Truesub).

I would reccommend a DD before upgrading any other part of your sound system. I had nice audio gear before that, and it sounded like a mess. I hadn't realized how important bass is, and how bad of a job even the best speakers do with it.

BTW, you can find them heavily discounted at Audiogon.