Originally posted by BenDover
btw, what the heck is yellow, i've never heard of it and can't seem to track it down using google.

I had assumed people were referring to Yellow Transportation:

http://www.myyellow.com/dynamic/services/content/index.jsp

Be skiing ya,

DSG

Originally posted by JimP
By the way, has anyone noticed on Battlestar Galactica that the really hot blond Cilon is "Cilon Number 6". Not just a coincidence.

I'm not sure I see what you mean...but I wouldn't want you to spoil for everyone...they aren't broadcasting BSG here in the U.S. in HD, are they?

Originally posted by BenDover
I'm not sure I see what you mean...but I wouldn't want you to spoil for everyone...they aren't broadcasting BSG here in the U.S. in HD, are they?

Not in HD, yet. But I think the SciFi network is suppose to go HD by the end of this year.

The reference to the Cilon No. 6 related to the Qualia TV being model number 006. Okey Dokey?:D

i love this tread, its the best on avs at this time. and no i don't even

have a 006 Rex

Originally posted by rexh
i love this tread, its the best on avs at this time. and no i don't even
have a 006 Rex

You don’t have to…..the only prerequisite is to be a good guy.
Welcome aboard.:)

Does any one have any info on the availability of the logitich harmony 880?

If not available what alternative would you reccomend?????



Marc

Originally posted by marcsmul
Does any one have any info on the availability of the logitich harmony 880?

If not available what alternative would you reccomend?????



Marc

It's not yet available, but in my opinion, I would wait for it to become available. I own a couple of Harmony (768 and 659) remotes and I just love them.

Thanks BenDover, you dont happen to live in England do you?

Nope, just my uncle, Big Ben.

BenDover- Where is the best place to order it to get an early shipment. The website and their customer service were no help. The service rep said they were on their way on the boat from China. Really........Marc

Originally posted by BenDover
I'm not sure I see what you mean...but I wouldn't want you to spoil for everyone...they aren't broadcasting BSG here in the U.S. in HD, are they?
They did broadcast the "mini-series" pilot on Universal HD (DirecTV channel 74, owned by NBC which also owns Skiffy) on February 20th. I have no idea if they've rerun it since then or if they have any plans to rerun it again, or to run the episodes in HD.

But that would be extremely cool to re-broadcast the series in HD--I'd bet that a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise watch reruns would tune in to see it again. Then again, how many people have UHD???

--Dwayne

P.S. It's not "Cilon". It's "Cylon". It's also not "Ceylon"--that's the former name of the island nation of Sri Lanka before 1972.

Originally posted by marcsmul
BenDover- Where is the best place to order it to get an early shipment. The website and their customer service were no help. The service rep said they were on their way on the boat from China. Really........Marc

I honestly don't know, I would presume Logitech's website but I've seen companies introduce new products that they themselves don't have available for purchase for quite some time even though retail outlets have them available.

I'm on their "notify me" list...if I hear before you, I'll be sure to post the info.

Guess we could always enlist the help of PM, I hear he is able to track boats coming from China...I guess it will take some time for him to purpose the satellites though...

Originally posted by Zechman
They did broadcast the "mini-series" pilot on Universal HD (DirecTV channel 74, owned by NBC which also owns Skiffy) on February 20th. I have no idea if they've rerun it since then or if they have any plans to rerun it again, or to run the episodes in HD.

But that would be extremely cool to re-broadcast the series in HD--I'd bet that a lot of people who wouldn't otherwise watch reruns would tune in to see it again. Then again, how many people have UHD???

--Dwayne

P.S. It's not "Cilon". It's "Cylon". It's also not "Ceylon"--that's the former name of the island nation of Sri Lanka before 1972.

They ran the series in the UK about a year ago and they did it in HD. I truly wish SciFi goes HD.

I think I have Universal HD from my cable provider...not sure about VOOM.

[EDIT: Yup, VOOM has Universal HD as well as my local cable provider. Also, I checked UHD's website and they indicate that the series premier for BSG is April 10. I'm presuming that means they will run it in HD but I wonder are they talking about S1 or S2?]

Originally posted by mark haflich
There is no problem with placing a center channel above or below a large screen. My point is to keep the acoustical centers of the LR speakers no more than two feet above or below the acoustical center point of the center. If you have multiple row seating, you must place the center above because if placed low it will not really be heard by the second row.

Good point. To me, the best way to achieve this balance of acoustical center w/all speakers is to place the center speaker just below on the Qualia's top stand shelf and slightly angle it upward a few degrees.

Originally posted by BenDover
I honestly don't know, I would presume Logitech's website but I've seen companies introduce new products that they themselves don't have available for purchase for quite some time even though retail outlets have them available.

I'm on their "notify me" list...if I hear before you, I'll be sure to post the info.

Guess we could always enlist the help of PM, I hear he is able to track boats coming from China...I guess it will take some time for him to purpose the satellites though...


Thanks BenDover maybe PM will help us both out.......Marc

Originally posted by BenDover

Guess we could always enlist the help of PM, I hear he is able to track boats coming from China...I guess it will take some time for him to purpose the satellites though...
Ha !
Sorry folks, the satellite is currently tasked to image 10526 Connecticut Avenue, Kensington Maryland...
to make sure that the “salesman” keeps his nose to the grindstone and doesn’t sneak out for an early lunch.:D

Motor Big Grats! Glad we both got it in yesterday.

Great advice. However, one thing we do enjoy in our theater room is a gas fireplace...the kind used for heat. Nice to have rest of house normal and that room as warm as we want.

Originally posted by mark haflich
Just remember that you want to keep the acoustical centers of he fronts of the three speakers no more than two feet apart vertically to keep vertical continuity of the sound field.

Also if your room is a little cold at night wear loose bed slippers when watching your Qualia. Keeps your feet nice and toasty.

Also if you are making pizza from scratch, do not use cooked tomato sauce.

I may need to do that too. My B&W center is 31" wide and 12.5" tall, so it is a problem.


Originally posted by BenDover
This is why I am not so enamored with placing the center underneath the TV, particularly when the center of such a huge screen is way up there. Even though the center I'm looking at would fit (and quite frankly, after having seen the Qualia and stand again yesterday and paying closer attention this time to the stand, I can't imagine a center that is larger than that damned opening under the stand!!!), I will likely mount the center on the ceiling over the Qualia (I'm in a basement with 7ft ceilings so it won't be too high; it will likely hover over the Qualia just perfectly) and angle it down towards the main seating area.

Do the rear speakers on a 6.1 have same 2 foot rule?

I have my 2 side rear about 5 feet off the floor and my center rear is only 2 feet.

thesirjay,

I am simply an wanna-be audiophile but my experience with the rears (in reality they are sides) is that they are best at above ear level and neither behind nor forward of you. I don't have those "golden ears" that some people think they have so I am happy with getting to a 95% goodness level. Finding that last 5% to perfection is where ALL the serious money comes in play.

There is some debate about if non-localized rears are better (i.e. dipoles) but most new movie audio tracks are really using the discrete rears (sides) to pinpoint and cement action to that spot. Think of a someone in the movie you are watching walk at you then keep going behind. When your sound system "follows" his footsteps from the center to the left front to the left side and finally to the back you get a real sense of involvement. Good news is that you don't need $10,000 speakers to do this. Just a good surround DTS or THX processor and smart speaker placement. Just work with what your room gives you. You should be fine any way you do it. Above, side, behind whatever you can do. IF the side (rear) speaker is too close to a person sitting on that side of your theater then they "overhear" that rear to the detriment of the other rear. Thats why I like em a little above ear level. Makes it less "in your ear" so to speak.

There is less action out of the rears than the mains but they do anchor the soundstage and create the envelopment that really make it believable. If your viewing room is really long then you can consider two sets of sides.

I have a 7.1 set up and the "rears" are my matrix channel. They are behind and above and bounce the filler sound around behind me off the ceiling.


Mine setup is OK and not "audiophile elitist" by any means. I just have a Dennon AVS 5800 and B&W HTM's with a Velodyne sub. Modestly frugal but images very well. You can find LOTS of information on speaker types and placement in other parts of this forum.


By the way.............for casual viewing when you don't want to fire up a zillion watts of amplification the Q006 speakers are damn good. Bikini Destinations soundtrack was just dandy..................... No complaints there. Hell I couldn't tell you if the girls were actually talking or not. Mr. Happy was transfixed on the flawless 1080p rendition of their bikini lines...........................

This monster is worth every penny my friends......every penny indeed.



.


.

Yes the universe is now in balance....................Stability and contentment have been achieved.

Quick Audiophile Dribble: The best system I've ever heard -- on either music or surround -- was a Meridian Digital Theater. 7.1 channel sound with all speakers being direct radiators. Meridian allows you to alter everything in the digital domain to correct for placement imperfections, and now has added room correction. Full digital signal right to the speakers, where the D/A conversion takes place. Not cheap stuff, but then this is an Elitist Forum, afterall...

HERE SHE IS !!!

My Qualia 006 arrived with only two guys to deliver it. After looking at how far they needed to move it (about 200 feet into my house) and unpacking it and noting its size and weight, backup was called! The salesman actually drove to my house to help out.

The picture is phenomenal and I haven't even started to tweak it yet. For the past three years I've had Dish, which I am dumping for COX cable. They will be here in a few hours (hopefully) with a Scientific Atlanta 8300HD HD-DVR box with HDMI out. I decided to go with COX because my neighbors have had problems with off air HD reception, not surprising because of mountains right around us. I've never been a DirectTV customer, so I may sign up with them if and when they start carrying locals in HD. I've heard rumors they eventually will do so.

I'll post some "live" pics once the HD service is installed.

http://members.cox.net/ekovalsky/P3302389.JPG
finally out of the box!


http://members.cox.net/ekovalsky/P3302390.JPG
calling for backup!

Originally posted by ekovalsky
HERE SHE IS !!!

WOW! A couple more posts like that and we'll make 200+ pages easy! I had no idea you could add pics that size directly on the thread (probably a good thing, as I'd undoubtedly have used my newfound powers for nefarious purposes)...

Here come sycore and Bill to point out how reflective the screen is :o

Originally posted by jb007
Here come sycore and Bill to point out how reflective the screen is :o

NOW I've had it -- I was planning on moving my Qualia outside for the California rain-free summer, but that screen reflection is completely unacceptable! Hope the Widescreen Review guys don't catch this glaring flaw in the set...

How did you put a big picture like that in the forum. I am vexed

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
How did you put a big picture like that in the forum. I am vexed

Easy... use the "IMG" button and enter the URL of the picture -- it can be any size and takes up no space on the AVS server. I uploaded the pics to my personal webspace and just linked to them.

I had already scaled the pics down to 1024x768 just to keep bandwidth reasonable. They were a lot higher resolution out of the camera.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
How did you put a big picture like that in the forum. I am vexed

Art thou sorely vexed?

(Sorry; just getting my post count up ala PM)

:D

Originally posted by jiminy
Sean, here is my experience connecting the PC to the 006:

I connected my PC to the 006 with a DVI to HDMI cable. I couldn't get it to work for quite some time. Finally I downloaded the latest drivers for my video card ( Winfast A310 ) which I guess is running a GeForce FX 5600. Then I booted my PC connected to the set via the HDMI cable, rather than booting it connected to my monitor first. The PC correctly recognized the "monitor" as a "Sony HDTV" and allowed me to set a variety of resolutions. I chose 1920x1080 60Hz and the image on the 006 was every bit as good as my normal PC monitor, except much larger of course.

I also discovered an option buried under GeForce FX 5600 specific UI that shows up when you go to Display Properties/Advanced/GeForce FX 5600 that allows you to reduce the over scan so that you can see the entire desktop. Otherwise about an inch ( not very scientific ) is lost all the way around.
Basically it worked great in the end.

Thanks for the response, Jiminy! Also to you as well, ColorTV, ...even though you use a Mac. :) (Somehow I knew the Mac would work)

Thanks,
Sean

Originally posted by brt3
Art thou sorely vexed?

(Sorry; just getting my post count up ala PM)

:D
Gladiator-Man,
"What is your first name?":D

Eko- from Scottsdale?
Did the 006 fit o.k. on your heavy duty chest/cabinet (temporary nest) ?

Talked to someone at Sony on the Bob vs. Weave issue. Does it bob it down to 540 first or simply weave the 1080 frames. What I was told somewhat crypticaly was that the Q006 does neither but it is doing something else to achieve the results. He said something about having all two million pixels firing all the time or something like that. What..... I was lost in the technospeak my friends. He said that with a smile and said it was a very good clue for someone on this forum to start searching for the different way sony is doing it.

He seemed to imply it was a very good and clever method to get the materials to our 1080p so take this for what it is worth. I am definitely out of my league here.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
Easy... use the "IMG" button and enter the URL of the picture -- it can be any size and takes up no space on the AVS server. I uploaded the pics to my personal webspace and just linked to them.

I had already scaled the pics down to 1024x768 just to keep bandwidth reasonable. They were a lot higher resolution out of the camera.


Reminds me of the good old day when I was on a 28K dial up modem. I'd fall asleep waiting for it to load. lol

Ok my 006 will be delivered on Monday. The dealer just received it and we have scheduled a set up on Monday. Question what DVD player have you all had the best results with and what hookup HDMI or what?

Motor check your P.M.

mpsan ....Yes, you Do qualify, I'm jealous!
FilmMixer - thanks for the info.

There you go Jim - Time errr Post Management (smiley face)

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive went diving today and a shark latched on to him . . . ouch ! ! !
You nasty man!
You didn't even dress Mini-Dive with a shark suit !!!!!

And that looks like a White Pointer to me, yikes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by mothaselin
Question what DVD player have you all had the best results with and what hookup HDMI or what?
If you plan on buying a Blu-ray unit at the end of the year for HD DVD watching……then buy a Sony NS975 from a SonyStyle store for a headache free lifestyle…or get the Pany S97 wherever you can find the best deal.

Both are fine for interim solutions.

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive went diving today and a shark latched on to him . . . ouch ! ! !

Melts in your mouth, not in your hands...

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Talked to someone at Sony on the Bob vs. Weave issue. Does it bob it down to 540 first or simply weave the 1080 frames. What I was told somewhat crypticaly was that the Q006 does neither but it is doing something else to achieve the results. He said something about having all two million pixels firing all the time or something like that.

It sounds like he was just bsing his way around it - after all the Qualia ALWAYS fires all 2 million pixels. It scales up lower resolution content up to the 1080P - He dodged entirely the what does it do with 1080i 60p issue which means quiet possibly it dumps the extra 30p as extraneous noise rather than weaving the 2 together to give the same amount of data as a 1080p 30p signal. 1080P lossless is the goal and only weave seems capable of giving it (since it won't take 1080P in according to most).

I thought that Qualia was doing DRC even on 1080i material. DRC is Digital Reality Creation in marketing bull****-speak. It means Sony proprietary signal processing.

Not to say that the results are not excellent, but the rep might have been right that "it does neither".

:D :D

Even though I went to Wal-Mart to get a stand for the 32"?

P.S. So far, silence on the 006 front! IF we had the Stand issue worked out we would have the Q next week!

OH, my proc IS the Meridian and it sure sets up nice. However you need a rs232 and it is a help that I can bring the laptop over.


Originally posted by Penton-Man
Motor check your P.M.

mpsan ....Yes, you Do qualify, I'm jealous!
FilmMixer - thanks for the info.

There you go Jim - Time errr Post Management (smiley face)

Has anyone noticed a difference in the color saturation when using HDMI versus component from a 6412 box to the 006? I just got my dvi/hdmi cable today and connected my 6412 comcast box with it on input 7. I also have the 6412 connected to input 5 with component. Switching back and forth between the two it seems that the component (channel 5) has quite a noticable increase in color saturation compared to ch 7 ( hdmi ). I wonder which is closer to the correct color.

btw, I can't see any difference in resolution between component and hdmi.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Eko- from Scottsdale?
Did the 006 fit o.k. on your heavy duty chest/cabinet (temporary nest) ?

Yes, I live about one minute from the Mayo Clinic. You?

It fit atop the chest, overhanging just a bit on the edges. It looks pretty silly right now but should be stunning once the wall of built-ins is done.

Cox service was connected today, replacing Dish. HD looks amazing. SD doesn't appear quite as good as Dish, plus the HD-DVR I got -- Sci Atl 8300HD -- puts grey bars around the SD pictures (it upsamples to 1080i). I'd rather have the box output SD at low res and let the 006 do the upsampling, particularly since it frames the image with black bars which are much less distracting. Maybe if I make another connection between the TV and box with S-video ...

The 8300HD has a pretty nice DVR, better the Dish though not as featured as Tivo. Considering I didn't have to pay for it I'm pretty pleased!

I'll probably keep Cox until DirecTV starts broadcasting locals in HD, rumored to start later in the year.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
...
HD looks amazing. SD doesn't appear quite as good as Dish, plus the HD-DVR I got -- Sci Atl 8300HD -- puts grey bars around the SD pictures (it upsamples to 1080i). I'd rather have the box output SD at low res and let the 006 do the upsampling, particularly since it frames the image with black bars which are much less distracting.
...

eko, did you set up the 8300HD with all the resolutions that the 006 is capable of displaying? the cable installers usually just set it up for 1080i. if you set it up properly, i believe you can achieve what you want; i.e., allowing the 006 to do the upconverting.

with the 8300HD off, simultaneously press and hold the guide and info buttons. proceed to set up the display and select advanced set up. the rest should be self-explanatory with the on screen prompts.

Hadn't played with it much yet, mainly I've been staring stupified at the HD goodies !

Later tonight I'll try to weak the 8300HD, then the 006. I'm sure this is a setup problem that can be fixed. There is no doubt the scaler in the 006 is far better than the one in the Sci Atl box, which is probably why SD is looking better from Dish than Cox.

Thanks for the tips! I'll report back after fiddling with the settings.

Originally posted by ekovalsky
Hadn't played with it much yet, mainly I've been staring stupified at the HD goodies !

Later tonight I'll try to weak the 8300HD, then the 006. I'm sure this is a setup problem that can be fixed. There is no doubt the scaler in the 006 is far better than the one in the Sci Atl box, which is probably why SD is looking better from Dish than Cox.

Thanks for the tips! I'll report back after fiddling with the settings.

one other thing, while what i told you about adding resolutions/formats to the 8300HD is valid and should be done, what you really want is to set the 8300HD to pass-through mode so that it doesn't touch the original signal and merely passes it on to the 006...sorry, it has been a long day and i had one too many drinks last night so i'm still a little foggy.

mark, you own a shop? where and what is it called? i used to work for a company based in gaithersburg and travelled down to MD frequently.

Originally posted by BenDover
one other thing, while what i told you about adding resolutions/formats to the 8300HD is valid and should be done, what you really want is to set the 8300HD to pass-through mode so that it doesn't touch the original signal and merely passes it on to the 006...sorry, it has been a long day and i had one too many drinks last night so i'm still a little foggy.

That's exactly what I did. Works great, as now the Qualia does all the upsampling and side bars are black. :)

Actually there is a setting on the 8300HD configuration to adjust shade of the side bars -- it was factory default at "medium" and changing it to "dark" made them black, even before I enabled the pass-through mode.

I could ask for everyone's speaker recommendations for my 006 room, i'm sure that would add more pages than you need...trying to put together a 7.1 (eventually 9.1: yamaha's "presence" speakers) primarily for home theater viewing but eventually also a fair amount of music listening as well. don't have *that* much to blow on speakers as the 006 and the yamaha rx-z9 are already way more than i was initially thinking about spending. also, will need 2 subs as the basement room is an approximately 40x40 open space (only 7' ceilings though; carpeted). suggestions?

I am a lurker from day 1 doing my part to dribble properly.

This summer I am adding a great room onto the house which will serve as my Qualia Nation.

I would be happy to hear any thoughts on my upgrade.

Room - 23' x 28' 10 foot ceiling. Watching the tv the long way (28' wall))

Eyeball to screen will be 17' - I want to keep the fireplace, which is on the side wall, between me and the tv. I imagine I will spend a lot of time sitting on the floor/beanbag to be 9' away...

Opinions please - I am putting the 3 front speakers in a custom wall unit(getting a quote now) with the tv so no floor standing speakers for me (I have 2 1/2 yr old twins and a 5 year old). Looking to get the Klipsch Ultra 2 either 5.1 or 7.1 Speaker budget - around 7K if I go 5.1. Anyone out there with these speakers? Thoughts?

Receiver - Denon 4806 (coming out soon) - I want the video switching and room EQ.

Opinion #2? - The tv will sit in a space about 85" wide (I'm leaving speakers on) with an extra 10" inches above the tv for ventilation. There will be a shelf above where the center speaker will sit. Any thought on bias lighting for this set up? I will put in Lutron controls for the overhead cans.

Mark, please consider this my dribble contribution. BTW-is it tax deductable?

Ron

Dive, my $02 -

Low Rider

Originally posted by JimP
Everyone

The Universe is in balance. Motor got his 006. .... and its just in time to watch the season cliffhanger of Battlestar Galactica. woo hoo

By the way, has anyone noticed on Battlestar Galactica that the really hot blond Cilon is "Cilon Number 6". Not just a coincidence.


Its pretty bad when you have to quote your own post.

Guess whose panny hard drive recorder ran out of space during the first 6 minutes of Battlestar Galactica while its owner was off watching "Sin City" at the multiplex.

If anyone else missed it, it'll be replayed Monday night at 10 central time.

Originally posted by mark haflich
Well guys. It is beginning to look like we will come up a little short. We have a little over two pages to go. The thread is becoming 006 substantive and many, including me, have little substantive to contribute.

Mark,
What ?
You didn’t get the memo sent out to most of the 006 posters entitled…
“Qualia Qon-spiracy For Sarcastic Salesman” ????

Watch what happens just AFTER 8:00 P.M E.S.T.--------Ever wonder why Motormouth hasn’t posted all his pics of the 006 yet?

B.T.W. –
There was an attachment to the above memo entitled “What to do with Someone that is Pissing on Us but telling Us that’s its Raining”

BenDover – The salesman’s workplace is exactly where I mentioned the satellite is tasked to image a few posts back, and check your P.M.
Eko – the O.C. – Southern Cali and check yours too.

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
Mini Dive wasn't expecting to encounter a shark, they are very rare in the Trinity River running through Dallas. Mini Dive is extra strong and he shook the shark off. They are good friends now.

Well just be careful because doesn’t the Trinity hook up with the Gulf of Galveston and that to the Gulf of Mexico ergo …bull sharks could swim right up to Mini-Dive’s backyard.:eek:
Check your P.M.

someone must have scrubbed your post PM b/c I can't seem to locate it anywhere...I pm'd you

Ben, You should be getting 2 more P.M.'s (one was a simply repeat) for an explanation.

I was up to my elbows transferring equipment from the old setup to the new setup; so I'm late in reporting the arrival of the Q006. Yellow turned up on my doorstep at 6pm on Thursday with the set, stand, one driver and a lift truck. As I didn't check the option box for "loading dock" when I ordered my house, I sent the truck away and called the Yellow Terminal Supervisor. It seemed that Josh (DocDVD) had already been on to them about their delivery technique and he was already setting up to send a contractor out the next day (Friday) with a lift gate and two people. They arrived and did exactly what Josh had promised: an inside delivery, but no unpacking. I had a relatively simple delivery--straight in through double doors and a wide hall to it's annointed spot. No steps. This sucker is so heavy and unweildy that if you have a difficult placement, I agree with the suggestion that you use some of the savings from DocDVD and have the delivery to the garage and get piano movers to place the set. My stand is on a hardwood floor and it rolls smooth as silk. The Sony stand is worth the price--it really complements the TV.

Originally posted by divedude
OK mark,
Here is a question for everyone. What song makes you drive fast? My pick is "Radar Love" by Golden Earring.

White Zombie - More Human Than Human... also makes for blown speakers :)

Just as I received word that DocDVD has shipped my set, a local higher-end Video store called me to report that they had just received three Q 006's, two were sold and I could have the third. When I told them that I had purchased from an out-of-state dealer, they offered to meet the price with sales tax included. Too late, says I. The store is The Home Theater Store on FM 1960, Houston for any one interested. They don't have any Sony stands. Seems like some dealers are going to deal. There's two posts.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Mark,
What ?
You didn’t get the memo sent out to most of the 006 posters entitled…
“Qualia Qon-spiracy For Sarcastic Salesman” ????

Watch what happens just AFTER 8:00 P.M E.S.T.--------Ever wonder why Motormouth hasn’t posted all his pics of the 006 yet?

B.T.W. –
There was an attachment to the above memo entitled “What to do with Someone that is Pissing on Us but telling Us that’s its Raining”

PM (and everyone else),

Requesting a favor . . . Please do not quote mark h., as he is on my ignore list, and I prefer not to read his dribble. He has attempted to hijack this thread with inane, banal posts, purposefully making it difficult to locate Q006 information for those that may be looking.

I wonder why we don't see much of colortv, kaduku and others any more. Maybe they're too busy enjoying their 006, but maybe they're also tired of village idiots.

jb007

I have followed the "Sony jumps" and this thread from the beginning and have never had reason to post. My wife ruled out a 70" set before the Qualia was even announced after seeing the 70" XBR. I am one of those hoping for better quality and fewer compromises in the 60" size range.

Anyway, this is my contribution to the 200 page goal. I think this thread is getting close to becoming the "Qualia owners jump the shark" thread.

Enjoy those TVs.

Don

Originally posted by jb007
PM (and everyone else),

Requesting a favor . . . Please do not quote mark h., as he is on my ignore list, and I prefer not to read his dribble. He has attempted to hijack this thread with inane, banal posts, purposefully making it difficult to locate Q006 information for those that may be looking.

I wonder why we don't see much of colortv, kaduku and others any more. Maybe they're too busy enjoying their 006, but maybe they're also tired of village idiots.

jb007

From the beginning one thing that has distinguished this thread has been the camaraderie. For the most part, people here share some good, substantive info while having a good time. I (for one) like it when we are biased towards substance, with a bit of friendly drivel thrown into the mix for fun. Many of us (I suspect) lurk about and are silent unless there is something substantive to comment on.

What is the 200 goal for??

anyone?

Originally posted by brt3
From the beginning one thing that has distinguished this thread has been the camaraderie. For the most part, people here share some good, substantive info while having a good time. I (for one) like it when we are biased towards substance, with a bit of friendly drivel thrown into the mix for fun. Many of us (I suspect) lurk about and are silent unless there is something substantive to comment on.

The camraderie on this thread makes it a great place to lurk and post. I don't have a problem with OT posts, that are tangentially related to the topic -- Qualia 006. What I do take issue with are those that (blatantly) post just to bring up the page count. I say get a life or take it somewhere else!

Local B&M just got the 006 in, havent had a chance to go by and see it yet

My 006 stand due in 1 wk, 006 in 2wks cant wait! already got my new computer in placement for pc home theater;-) and a logitech blootooth keyboard & mouse ( couch potato ) I did a samlping view on wmv dvd-rom on my 19" monitor...awesome. Looking to see how it looks on the 70" 006.
Ill post pics soon as set up...

Originally posted by jb007
The camraderie on this thread makes it a great place to lurk and post. I don't have a problem with OT posts, that are tangentially related to the topic -- Qualia 006. What I do take issue with are those that (blatantly) post just to bring up the page count. I say get a life or take it somewhere else!

JB -- You said it much more succinctly than I... :D

Just more of telling us its raining when the village idiot is pissing on us.

Originally posted by jb007
PM (and everyone else),
Requesting a favor . . . Please do not quote mark h., as he is on my ignore list, and I prefer not to read his dribble. He has attempted to hijack this thread with inane, banal posts, purposefully making it difficult to locate Q006 information for those that may be looking.

I wonder why we don't see much of colortv, kaduku and others any more. Maybe they're too busy enjoying their 006, but maybe they're also tired of village idiots.
jb007
Agreed,
jb, you hit the nail on the head. I’m glad you clarified the situation for everyone. It’s just like when colortv remarked that syecore wouldn’t be the first troll to try to hijack our thread …..nor the last.

Some people are just mad if society doesn’t fit into their little distorted view of what society should be like.

I like the revised page count now.
kaduku - where the hell are you ????

Originally posted by mpsan
:D :D

Even though I went to Wal-Mart to get a stand for the 32"?

You know.
I was in Wal*Mart a few days ago (being an elitist, incognito of course) searching for some DVD’s on sale…..while waiting for a script to be filled for my father.

And they had this BIG bin full of rare DVD’s on sale in the middle of the Music/Video section of the store.

I asked the Assistant Manager at the desk…..”Why don’t you place all the DVD’s in a nice, neat, orderly arrangement, alphabetically by title – so that it is easier for the people that come into this store for FREE to find a rare DVD that they may be interested in buying.”

His response was …..
“We have done several studies at several different locations and arranged the DVD’s just as you said …and then just threw them all in a big bin. Each study showed that we sold significantly more DVD’s when they were placed in the bin and people had to expend some energy in a search rather than simply serving it up to them on a platter…..and in addition to that…..everybody seems to be have much more fun looking for their DVD and socializing with the people around them about different movies and such.”

True Story.

Originally posted by wojtek
I thought that Qualia was doing DRC even on 1080i material. DRC is Digital Reality Creation in marketing bull****-speak. It means Sony proprietary signal processing.

Wilson,
I'm think you may be onto something here because the Japanese engineers never got back to Rogo about the specifics of the video processing.

Perhaps when WSR comes out around April 15, it will shed some light on the situation for us.

Kinda a bummer that Sony is playing holier and knowlier than thou with us. We forked out A TON of cash and we just want to know if our product will work nicely with the new Realta processors for instance. We know they don't have the end all be all of signal processors and we want assurance that we can use something better when it is available rather than being stuck. Sony has the Qualia for the people who want the very best so they should hardly be shocked we want to use something better someday for signal processing.

Originally posted by jb007
I say get a life or take it somewhere else!

jb007,
You started this thread and I have enjoyed it and the folks on it. I am taking your statement and a few others posted today to heart. I have removed most of my posts and am gone.

Anyone else notice a few dirt spots INSIDE their Qualia on the screen? I notice a few, one of which is obviously on the inside of the screen. They aren't too large but annoying they didn't use a clean enough room to prevent this stuff getting on my screen. Pondering whether to try and get a service person out to try and open it up and clean them off. Some might be in between the glass and the screen which is worrisome since there doesn't seem to be any way to really get at them.

I stopped by this morning at my local HiFi Buys (Tweeter), here in Atlanta to check out the TVs, when the store management informed me that I had two large boxes that took three of them to move in the storage section of the store. So imagine my surprise when I saw what those two boxes were! Especially considering I told them I never ordered this TV, however I really did want to see it! Here's my dilemma, besides that I need to really examine if it will fit in my family room.

Price quoted is
$12,999.99 MSRP
999.99 for micro 1x bulb replacement 4Y (I thought first bulb was free?)
79.95 delivery charge
1499.99 stand
19.95 assembly

If anyone that has purchased this set from Tweeter could PM me their purchase price I'd appreciate it.

I have pretty much stopped reading posts here mostly because of
Mark Haflich.

I enjoy excited posts from people that are buying their televisions because I could identify with the emotions. Some humanity is required in these posts to keep the interest but his posts give me the creeps.

I am sick of being part of some guy erecting his ego using my time.

The only option is to ignore people like that begin to display these qualities. I these qualities were obvious from the start but in the interest of 2nd, and 3rd changes people keep paying attention.

Dilbert1

I know this has been brought up before, but I just can't go thru 190+ pages to search.

Besides the Sony, Salamander, and Diamond Case (Theater Tech) stands, are there any others that seem to work? We do not want the Sony, and the Salamander is a little too small. The Theater Tech looks good, but just wonder if there are any others we should consider?

TIA
Dave

Originally posted by dpc123
I stopped by this morning at my local HiFi Buys (Tweeter)...

999.99 for micro 1x bulb replacement 4Y (I thought first bulb was free?)

dpc123,

I thought someone posted that they'd purchased a spare bulb for $500. This is an interesting point, though. When I pressed my Cierge to get Sony's bulb replacement policy in writing he balked. I don't doubt this is their policy, as it was confirmed by many calls to Qualia HQ. I think the free bulb replacement is only being offered to those who purchased through the Sony/Qualia stores.

I bet kaduku is out enjoying the incredible weather today in the Bay Area. Unlike 3deye, who is -- undoubtedly -- locked indoors for the final 48 hours (or so) of his initial Qualia-thon...

Originally posted by mpsan
Besides the Sony, Salamander, and Diamond Case (Theater Tech) stands, are there any others that seem to work? We do not want the Sony, and the Salamander is a little too small. The Theater Tech looks good, but just wonder if there are any others we should consider?

mspan,

Try these sites; can't remember (for sure) but I think they'll offer alternatives...

Mizzico A/V Furniture (http://www.mizzico.com./)
HT Racks & Stands (http://www.racksandstands.com/)

Originally posted by divedude
jb007,
You started this thread and I have enjoyed it and the folks on it. I am taking your statement and a few others posted today to heart. I have removed most of my posts and am gone.

Others could have started this Owner's Thread, but those on the original Sony jumps thread gave me the honor because I was the first to receive (not order, right, PM :)) a Q006. At least I was the first one to post having taken receipt of a Q006 :). However, this thread really belongs to all owners and potential owners. I claim no ownership.

divedude, I have enjoyed your posts. Personally, I found them good natured and humorous. I hope you will reconsider your decision and stay.

If my position wasn't clear before, let me restate it: I have no problem with OT posts, tangentially related to the Q006. This would include amps, speakers, DVDs and even the unofficial 006 mascot, mini dive. I do have a problem with a non-owner (his status is irrellevant really) that sarcastically over and over again encourages people to post about any topic to increase the page count.

I'm not trying to offend anyone, but when someone just won't stop, they make my "ignore list." I will add, this is the only time I have ever placed a poster on ignore in four years of AVS membership.

Most of the "locals" on this thread read everything in it regularly. When you're gone for a few days and come back to catch up and have to read all the nonsense, it is quite disheartening and sometimes makes me think it would be best just for me to go away.

Originally posted by divedude
jb007,
You started this thread and I have enjoyed it and the folks on it. I am taking your statement and a few others posted today to heart. I have removed most of my posts and am gone.

Well come on back!
Don't let the troll win, jb007 wasn't referring to you !!
And bring Mini-Dive too.:)

Originally posted by jb007
sometimes makes me think it would be best just for me to go away.
Well DON'T !!!!!!
jb, if it wasn't for guys like you and the other first wavers that had the balls to purchase this display without ever seeing it .....at MSRP !!!!!! - AND then taking the time to post all your impressions, component hook-ups, etc., etc. - there would be FAR fewer 2nd and 3rd wavers.

As far as I'm concerned, you have a lifetime membership and no troll can take that away with a pat on the back followed by a slap to the face.

Mpsan –
These stands and manufacturers have been listed by others. Otherwise, I know nothing about them. Just make SURE you check out the load capacity before you purchase – if one of them meets your fancy.

http://www.bello.com/av/avs-2572.asp]

http://www.2modern.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=322

http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=BDI8027B&product_name=Axis%208027%20Two-Shelf%20Flat%20Panel%20TV%20Stand

http://www.soundations.com/

Originally posted by Dilbert1
I have pretty much stopped reading posts here mostly because of
Mark Haflich.

Dilbert,
Please keep reading and posting because you are one of the video gurus...not to mention one of the first wavers....and I believe the first to purchase one outside the Sony Cierge system ???

divedude -
If you're listening....check your P.M.

Originally posted by RonB63

Opinion #2? - The tv will sit in a space about 85" wide (I'm leaving speakers on) with an extra 10" inches above the tv for ventilation. There will be a shelf above where the center speaker will sit. Any thought on bias lighting for this set up?
Well if the bias lighting mentioned by brt (see his homepage for the link) or Dilbert (search this thread under Home Depot) won't work because you are essentially putting them inside a pocket in the wall, try a strip of tracking lights on the ceiling behind the screen.

I have both the bias from Home Depot and the tracking light set-up and use each depending upon the content that I am viewing on the 006 and the audience that is watching with me.

Thank you! Will take a look.

Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

Try these sites; can't remember (for sure) but I think they'll offer alternatives...

Mizzico A/V Furniture (http://www.mizzico.com./)
HT Racks & Stands (http://www.racksandstands.com/)

Never thought of it that way, but remember the days of...records? We would look thru them and it was more fun when out of order. Still have them too. Even Shefield Disks!!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know.
I was in Wal*Mart a few days ago (being an elitist, incognito of course) searching for some DVD’s on sale…..while waiting for a script to be filled for my father.

And they had this BIG bin full of rare DVD’s on sale in the middle of the Music/Video section of the store.

I asked the Assistant Manager at the desk…..”Why don’t you place all the DVD’s in a nice, neat, orderly arrangement, alphabetically by title – so that it is easier for the people that come into this store for FREE to find a rare DVD that they may be interested in buying.”

His response was …..
“We have done several studies at several different locations and arranged the DVD’s just as you said …and then just threw them all in a big bin. Each study showed that we sold significantly more DVD’s when they were placed in the bin and people had to expend some energy in a search rather than simply serving it up to them on a platter…..and in addition to that…..everybody seems to be have much more fun looking for their DVD and socializing with the people around them about different movies and such.”

True Story.

Thank you, PM. I should also have mentioned we want wood, as opposed to glass and have doors for the equipment.


Originally posted by Penton-Man
Mpsan –
These stands and manufacturers have been listed by others. Otherwise, I know nothing about them. Just make SURE you check out the load capacity before you purchase – if one of them meets your fancy.

http://www.bello.com/av/avs-2572.asp]

http://www.2modern.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=322

http://www.audioadvisor.com/store/productdetail.asp?sku=BDI8027B&product_name=Axis%208027%20Two-Shelf%20Flat%20Panel%20TV%20Stand

http://www.soundations.com/

Originally posted by mpsan
Never thought of it that way, but remember the days of...records? We would look thru them and it was more fun when out of order. Still have them too. Even Shefield Disks!!

Geez, you're making me feel guilty as you've reminded me that I have about 1,200 LPs that I need to get digitized. I still like listening to them the old-fashioned analog way, but I'm trying to get everything into bits so I can access all my music on my Sonos system...

Which, BTW, I just hooked into the Qualia system this afternoon!

Back to a former thread issue: the vertical banding that has (sometimes) appeared but is usually difficult to see. I have found this on more than one source, which indicates to me that it is either produced by the Qualia or by Comcast during transmission.

If other Qualians could look for the show (on INHD or Discovery HD, I think) "Blue Angels: A Day In The Life" someone else might see what I've noticed. During scenes with light-toned uniform backgrounds (in this case the sky) without a lot of panning I can see this vertical banding across the full width of the screen. To reiterate: look for vertical "stripes" that are composed of noise; on my set they look to be roughly a half-inch to an inch wide.

Colortv -- if you're still out there could you comment on whether or not this could be a production or transmission artifact?

Replacement bulb is $300 from Sony.

I got two - "just to be safe".

So far, no one has reported a bulb failure or burnout. The original owners should be coming up to about 500 or 600 hours (assuming 5 or 6 hours of viewing a day). My family watches it about 8 hours a day, so I'm up to about 700 or 800 hours.


8 hours/day x 30 days/month x 3 months = 720 hours.

Originally posted by jiminy
Has anyone noticed a difference in the color saturation when using HDMI versus component from a 6412 box to the 006? I just got my dvi/hdmi cable today and connected my 6412 comcast box with it on input 7. I also have the 6412 connected to input 5 with component. Switching back and forth between the two it seems that the component (channel 5) has quite a noticable increase in color saturation compared to ch 7 ( hdmi ). I wonder which is closer to the correct color.

btw, I can't see any difference in resolution between component and hdmi.

Jiminy - have you experienced the "double-picture" glitch with the Comcast 6412 box?

Try this: With the 6412 hooked to the 006 input 6 or 7, turn to a 720p channel like FOXHD or ABCHD on the 6412. Then, switch the channel to any channel on input 4 or 5 (a component connection), and then switch back to input 6 or 7 where the 720p channel is playing. You should see a double picture that goes away if you change the channel. This doesn't happen with HD-TIVO so we think it is a "handshake" issue with the 6412. The 6412 should be set to output everything by 1080i.

I have two 6412s -- one connected to a plasma via HDMI>DVI, the other connected to my Qualia over HDMI. The one on the plasma gives the double-pic anytime it's turned on, regardless of the source material. I usually press "GUIDE" and then "EXIT", which clears the problem without interrupting the audio of the source. On the Qualia the problem occurs but is more intermittent, and I haven't spent the time to correlate it to 720P...

If there is anyone who can easily see (and I mean easily - its not that important) the back of their set, I would like to know what the FCC ID # is. It should be on a tag with the UL listing # etc. Trying to do some research on the sets.

Thanks

Originally posted by mark haflich
Oh. For what its is worth. my wife this morning woke up and asked me what this set, the Quester 006, somebody at her job had asked her about was. I told here it was a Sony Qualia 006. A 1080p rear projection set. She said was it like a plasma? No. I said it had a much better picture than a 60 inch plasma. It was bigger too but alas it couldn't be hung on the wall. It sat on a low stand. She asked me if it looked like a large piano black box like our present 64 inch Pioneer Elite. I showed her a picture of it. It went back 20 inches or so but all you really saw was the picture. She said buy us one to replace the Pioneer. I asked if she wanted to come to the store and see it? She said no. She didn't care about the PQ, she just no longer wanted a large piano black box in our great room. I said you mean you want me to write a check for it? She said no. She would write it out of her account. And you guys think you have problems with your wives? :)
BTW folks, whether you want to diss the guy or not, this is actually a true story. I was talking to him on the phone when the latter part of it happened and overheard it myself.

--Dwayne

man, all this whole-sale deletion of posts has made me very confused...i don't know where i am anymore...

this has been the most bizzare thread i've ever seen...

Originally posted by nhey
Jiminy - have you experienced the "double-picture" glitch with the Comcast 6412 box?

Try this: With the 6412 hooked to the 006 input 6 or 7, turn to a 720p channel like FOXHD or ABCHD on the 6412. Then, switch the channel to any channel on input 4 or 5 (a component connection), and then switch back to input 6 or 7 where the 720p channel is playing. You should see a double picture that goes away if you change the channel. This doesn't happen with HD-TIVO so we think it is a "handshake" issue with the 6412. The 6412 should be set to output everything by 1080i.


nHey:
I was able to reproduce the double picture using your method outlined above, except that I used ESPNHD, as I don't have FOXHD and I am not sure where ABCHD is... Anyway, it repro'd just as you described. I am not sure how you know that a particular channel is 720p - certainly ESPNHD lacks the crystal clear quality of other HD channels, and it doesn't fill the screen to the sides - it is pillar boxed. Maybe they are just upconverting some standard def content now...

I have also seen the double picture problem a lot when trying to A-B the HDMI and the component inputs to the 006. I was using DVR content that was paused as a means to easily compare color saturation between the HDMI connection and the component connection. Each time I switched to the HDMI input from the component input, I got a double picture on the hdmi input. Interestingly enough the two pictures ( in the double picture) were not at the same color saturation. I was able to see a visible difference side by side on the same screen. As soon as I unpause the DVR, the double picture goes away. My guess is that one of the doubles is from the component input and one is from the HDMI input - it seems that the HDMI only refreshed half the screen when switching to that input.

I also tried using the 1394 connection to check for color saturation, and as well as I can tell, it behaves as the HDMI does - namely somewhat less color saturation than the component inputs. 1394 does not show paused DVR content - the screen is blank. It only shows playing content, so it is a bit harder to tell...

Troll –
You can go file an Amicus Curiae brief with Jessica Alba for all I care. The pissing post was made after I read your self-righteous dribble of the prior post.

Didn’t even read the post you’re referring to. Must have been a delay in the servor or your editing….whatever.

All I know is that you’ve been a part of driving away 2 people (so far)….. from this thread – that have contributed much, MUCH more than you have.

And they didn’t buy their 006’s at dealer cost !
And if they aren’t happy with their TV’s, they can’t bring them back to the store, put them up as a used display …..and STILL make a profit.:mad:

Whaaazzzzuuuuppp! Well guys, just got back from a Hawaii. My hotel did not have broadband internet, I had to deal with freakin 24k dial-up. Spent like two minutes waiting for a page to load, gave up and went surfing and diving with my son (for four days). It took awhile to catch up on the reading. Looks like theres been some drama going on here!!!!!!! :D What's up with DD? If you're listening, take PM's advice and come back dude!

First of all, congtrats to all the newest owners, especially to MM, thesirjay, and my man G (3deye) on their delivery.

thesirjay, received package today and read your latest email. I will have to remove my speakers and re-measure.

Hey Mark isn't so bad, some of his comments are good and some are bad. Now that he's going to be an owner too, then he has the right to post here too. Reading or ignoring it will be up to you :D

Originally posted by BenDover
don't know where i am anymore...

UNDER 200 pages at 5:00 p.m. on Saturday....thank God.
All due to a supreme sacrafice of time, effort and apparent departure by divedude.:(

Well after measuring the set and taking into account the slope of the sides, there's no way it will fit. So if anyone wants what I told was the first Qualia 006 in Georgia, go to the Johnson Ferry HiFi Buys in Marietta and ask for Ilya.

Oh Sony please release a 60" version.

You should be able to do better than this. I just got my set from Tweeter (formerly Showcase Home Entertainment) in Scottsdale, AZ. I got 10% off without really asking for it. There was a small delivery charge but no assembly fee. I didn't get the stand, rather we are having a wall unit built to house the TV.

The "free" bulb replacement seems to be part of the warranty, as it is described on the card coming with the unit. So you should not be paying extra for it, even if the set is not coming directly from a Qualia store.

If your Tweeter store won't negotiate the price I'd just go with DocDVD.


Originally posted by dpc123
I stopped by this morning at my local HiFi Buys (Tweeter), here in Atlanta to check out the TVs, when the store management informed me that I had two large boxes that took three of them to move in the storage section of the store. So imagine my surprise when I saw what those two boxes were! Especially considering I told them I never ordered this TV, however I really did want to see it! Here's my dilemma, besides that I need to really examine if it will fit in my family room.

Price quoted is
$12,999.99 MSRP
999.99 for micro 1x bulb replacement 4Y (I thought first bulb was free?)
79.95 delivery charge
1499.99 stand
19.95 assembly

If anyone that has purchased this set from Tweeter could PM me their purchase price I'd appreciate it.

Originally posted by dpc123

Oh Sony please release a 60" version.
They plan to (50-60" range)...I posted that awhile back.
You may want to P.M. Jim in Alabama as he was looking for an 006 in your neck of the woods.

Penton-man,
Yes, I remember you posting that, guess I was just hoping if I said it enough times it will happen sooner.:)

JimP check your PM.

Originally posted by dpc123
Penton-man,
Yes, I remember you posting that, guess I was just hoping if I said it enough times it will happen sooner.:)

I'll bug them about it on Monday for you to see if there has been any update .....after I bitch to them about the troll.

Originally posted by kaduku
Whaaazzzzuuuuppp! Well guys, just got back from a Hawaii. My hotel did not have broadband internet, I had to deal with freakin 24k dial-up. Spent like two minutes waiting for a page to load, gave up and went surfing and diving with my son (for four days). It took awhile to catch up on the reading. Looks like theres been some drama going on here!!!!!!! :D What's up with DD? If you're listening, take PM's advice and come back dude!

First of all, congtrats to all the newest owners, especially to MM, thesirjay, and my man G (3deye) on their delivery.

thesirjay, received package today and read your latest email. I will have to remove my speakers and re-measure.

Hey Mark isn't so bad, some of his comments are good and some are bad. Now that he's going to be an owner too, then he has the right to post here too. Reading or ignoring it will be up to you :D

Great to have you back Kad - I owe you big time and geez you are even planning on taking your speakers off! That is way way too kind <bow> I hope you got some great rays and even hotter scenery :).

200 pages ah well maybe it won't happen alot of us are in Qualia Coma after the big day. I know I will be posting pics pretty soon. I thought it was one heck of a ride I know my stress level went through the roof. One lady to deliver the Qualia heh thats special don't you think? Luckily DocDVD did a chunk of last minute calling to bring back sanity and now I am chillin in the dvd zone.

Still have a todo list (like the home depot special back lighting).

I noticed that the settings really seem to vary on a movie by movie basis - for instance something like ice age you want to keep it as minimal as possible (low noise reduction is about it to prevent halo artifacts) on something as badly mastered as the first Harry Potter well you just have to decide what to do with that reck but high noise reduction is probably a good idea unless you want to do direct and just soften the heck out of the image. Action shots are still a bit hard to handle if you are doing much in the way of digital enhancement you get a bit of digital lines or artifacts.

I guess the end story is when your source is amazing the Qualia is amazing the more "cleanup" you do on your original the more artifacts you will end up with. This means the Qualia is a wonderful forward looking product since as the signals get better it will be closer and closer to the digital perfection we often get to glimpse.

Heck I don't even like basketball and I found myself watching it a bit (they need skimpier cheerleader outfits doomit!). It is sooo nice to have some 1080i content ou there even if it is often just standard content stuff stuck onto a HD signal.

Tip of the day--- If they are broadcasting standard definition content on a HD channel swap over to the regular channel version if possible - the Qualia's upscaler definitely does alot better job.

USE PRO PICTURE MODE!! There are a ton of options but the standard and vivid settings seem to well...... suck. I can't believe their engineers didn't come up with anything better than those 2.

Any advice on the good ole DRC thing? I noticed that custom 1 seemed alot better than custom 2 but other than that I can't imagine spending too much of my life fighting with those kind of settings. The three dimensionality of ice age for instance is amazing (I don't know if thats DRC or not). I have a hard time deciding between mode 1 and cinemotion (there seems to be minor differences but can't really pin down the proper one).

Happy Qualia living to those who are in the club and GOD PLEASE BRING ZECHMAN A QUALIA NEXT WEEK!!! He deserves it!

Originally posted by thesirjay
Great to have you back Kad - I owe you big time and geez you are even planning on taking your speakers off! That is way way too kind <bow> I hope you got some great rays and even hotter scenery :).



Yes, I did get some really good rays and the scenery, well, I'll leave that to your imagination. Yeah Baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :D

All Q006 owners, check out boxing on Showtime. Looks awesome!!!!! Though the sites were nice in Hawaii, I still missed watching TV on my baby!

Well, I have a B&O 4002 that blows a fuse when I turn it on. Must be bad cap as that happened after we packed it away to move from California to Oregon. Never had a chance to fix it. May be better to just buy something new, but don't want to spend the $$$.


Originally posted by brt3
Geez, you're making me feel guilty as you've reminded me that I have about 1,200 LPs that I need to get digitized. I still like listening to them the old-fashioned analog way, but I'm trying to get everything into bits so I can access all my music on my Sonos system...

Which, BTW, I just hooked into the Qualia system this afternoon!

Back to a former thread issue: the vertical banding that has (sometimes) appeared but is usually difficult to see. I have found this on more than one source, which indicates to me that it is either produced by the Qualia or by Comcast during transmission.

If other Qualians could look for the show (on INHD or Discovery HD, I think) "Blue Angels: A Day In The Life" someone else might see what I've noticed. During scenes with light-toned uniform backgrounds (in this case the sky) without a lot of panning I can see this vertical banding across the full width of the screen. To reiterate: look for vertical "stripes" that are composed of noise; on my set they look to be roughly a half-inch to an inch wide.

Colortv -- if you're still out there could you comment on whether or not this could be a production or transmission artifact?

We just finished watching the Incredibles tonight for movie night. OMFG................the Q006 is incredible. I will never go to the AMC theaters again with this jewel in my house....(Except for Star Wars opening night of course).

I am seeing things on movies that I did not know were in there. For example we watched Shrek 2 the other night and in the scene when the king goes into the bar and asks for the ugly sister, then he goes and sees the Antonia Banderas Cat guy there is very fine dust floating all around. We just watched this last week on my old Mitsu and never knew the room was dusty. Way too cool. Now I am getting to rewatch each of my DVD's because on the Q006 it seems like they are new all over again.

I have even been too lazy to mod the settings yet. Still can't get over how good the scenery looks on Bikini Destinations. Nothing quite like a flat tummy in 1080i is there? Gads you can even count the fine little hairs.

I am going to try my settings from the first page of this forum. Gonna start with the ones Brt3 posted unless anyone recommends I try the others. There were ones from CES and Mauricer.

I got the Sony 975 but right now I am only using component per the Sony guys recommendations. He said that it was a pretty good component output but even when you set it at 480i over HDMI it is still doing a lot of internal processing. Huh? I thought the concensus here was that if you told it to do 480i over HDMI it did not do any processing or maybe more accurately upscaling.

Can someone repost where you can buy HDMI cables online. I bought one from Radio Shack for $100..................Yeouch but I wanted one fast. The next one I buy I simply want an inexpensive cable as there is no reason to spend another C note if you dont have too because there is no real world difference between expensive HDMI cables and cheap HDMI cables.

Now its time for the second show of the night which will be the Flight of the Phoenix...................see ya all tomorrow.




Stability and contentment have been achieved:



.

Question:

When you change channels on the cable box (8300HD) using HDMI do you get flashing between channels? See a green screen real quick and sometimes other stuff. Happens when I am in the guide from the cable and hit select to go to another channel. Did not do this when I originally had components but started after switching to HDMI.


thx

Motor,
Glad to hear you are Gellin (what a stupid term heh but what the heck seems appropriate) in front of your Qualia.

Here is where I got my HDMI cable from (at PM's advice)
http://www.ramelectronics.net/html/DVI-hdmi_cables.html

Not seeing a huge difference between it and component but I know I FEEL better about skipping a whole 2 conversion cycles (D-A then A-D).

I have to get Time Warner to offer me the 8300HD now that I have seen HD content I am of course hooked badly.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
...
I got the Sony 975 but right now I am only using component per the Sony guys recommendations. He said that it was a pretty good component output but even when you set it at 480i over HDMI it is still doing a lot of internal processing. Huh? I thought the concensus here was that if you told it to do 480i over HDMI it did not do any processing or maybe more accurately upscaling.
...
.

MM, I'm not sure why you would set it to 480i since the native format for a DVD is 480p. Every comparison I've ever done with digital vs. component, digital has always won out although I have noticed differences in color between the two.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
...
Can someone repost where you can buy HDMI cables online. I bought one from Radio Shack for $100..................Yeouch but I wanted one fast. The next one I buy I simply want an inexpensive cable as there is no reason to spend another C note if you dont have too because there is no real world difference between expensive HDMI cables and cheap HDMI cables...

There are many places with good cables for much less money than say Monster, etc. Ram is one as already posted, there is also bluejeanscables, l-com and bettercables.

Your statement of no difference between cheap cables and more expensive cables isn't entirely accurate. You can pick up a cheap digital cable and you can have some unexpected problems; not so much for really short cables but the longer they get, the more problems you may have with the less expensive variety (particularly with DVI).

Anyhow, glad to see you are enjoying with the family. I'm off to start painting the 006's nursery, I mean room :)

Originally posted by BenDover
MM, I'm not sure why you would set it to 480i since the native format for a DVD is 480p. Every comparison I've ever done with digital vs. component, digital has always won out although I have noticed differences in color between the two.






DVDs are 480I. If not, why have deinterlacers?

Sometimes, the difference between component and digital outputs are masked by what the player and displays are doing. On earlier Sony LCD RPTVs, the DVI input was converted to component early on in the processing. So you were not really getting the benefits of a complete digital path. In those sets, DVI was evidently implemented for the HDCP handshake more than anything else. Then, you need to factor in how well a device outputs analog over component vs. digital over DVI/HDMI. On the Denon 5900 the DVI output is better than the component, but only by a hair. On the Bravo D1, I've heard (no first hand experience) that the component output was way behind the DVI output. So its going to depend on what you hook up to which display.

Here is my humble opinion on the scaler/deinterlacer on the 006. Although, it would seem to be the right thing to send the 006 a 480i signal over HDMI and let the set do the scaling/deinterlacing, you're not really going to know how that compares to other options that are available until you try them out. You have other electronics in a DVD player that have a bearing on picture quality.

Man-O-man, I turn my back for a day and seems like we lost a friend....where is Diverdude? I can't even find his old posts. I need a mini diver fix..... Man if your out there please return ...you were an integal part of this thread....somebody fill me in! Diver ..... you give good bubbles man!!

remember

" If it's good enuf for Druids, runnin' nekkid thru the wuids, drinkin' strange fermented fluids, then it's good enuf for me!"

Originally posted by Neo2005
Man-O-man, I turn my back for a day and seems like we lost a friend....where is Diverdude? I can't even find his old posts. I need a mini diver fix..... Man if your out there please return ...you were an integal part of this thread....somebody fill me in! Diver ..... you give good bubbles man!!




Yeah, well somebody missed the point that this is more like an informal coffee shop where we can have fun and share knowledge. They want it to be more like a tech support forum.

I sure did enjoy this thread and would like to see the regulars return.

Originally posted by brt3
Back to a former thread issue: the vertical banding that has (sometimes) appeared but is usually difficult to see. I have found this on more than one source, which indicates to me that it is either produced by the Qualia or by Comcast during transmission.
This issue is still unresolved for me.

In case WSR does not answer the question regarding bob vs. weave I will be at the Home Theater Show in NYC on the 29th to see this baby for the first time. Though my techno savvy is probably far less than Motor, and everyone else for that matter, I will try to pin them down.

Come back Mini Dive (and DD of course)! - I was hoping to see some shots of Mini and a lady friend. I assume such a cool dude would be showing off his own "eye candy" for all to appreciate.

Do you have the problem when you play a DVD?

Dilbert1

Originally posted by brt3

Back to a former thread issue: the vertical banding that has (sometimes) appeared but is usually difficult to see. I have found this on more than one source, which indicates to me that it is either produced by the Qualia or by Comcast during transmission....


Do you see this when playing back a DVD?

Dilbert1

Originally posted by RonB63

Come back Mini Dive (and DD of course)! - I was hoping to see some shots of Mini and a lady friend. I assume such a cool dude would be showing off his own "eye candy" for all to appreciate.

I agree. Any reasonably OT post that isn't overly foolish, sarcastic, or rift with hidden agenda is fine. The more humor the better!

Dilbert1

Originally posted by RonB63
Come back Mini Dive (and DD of course)! - I was hoping to see some shots of Mini and a lady friend. I assume such a cool dude would be showing off his own "eye candy" for all to appreciate.
Well don’t bet the farm on it RonB63 or Dilbert.

Divedude is recuperating from triple bypass surgery and has now developed related post-op complications of gastric ulcer disease which has led to Iron Deficiency anemia. The 006 was a present to himself to celebrate the completion of a recent tenuous cardiac procedure.

He doesn’t need the stress at this point from people that have to pigeon hole everything into its nice little cubicle in order to satisfy their obsessive-compulsive behavioral traits.

Godspeed divedude.

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Do you have the problem when you play a DVD?

Dilbert,

Since I've been a bit bowled over by HD content on the Qualia we've been watching mostly HD as of late; lot's of movies on Showtime & HBO, along with D-VHS...

So far I've only noticed the vertical banding on HD content via Comcast. I'll have to try some DVDs and D-VHS to see if it also occurs there. Good idea; thanks for the input!

Thoughts and prayers are with you Diverdude!

I have no intention of buying an 006 in the immediate future but have read every post on this thread, I think it the best and most enjoyable on AVS.

Ken

brt3 has a copy on his web site. Click on the signature 3 posts above.

Motor.....

Try monoprice.com for digital cables. I've used them for almost a year and really appreciate their good quality, price and fast delivery. I found them after a bad cable experience with Radio Shack.

DD,
Hope you get well soon!

Same here..... Divedude! Come back soon and let us know how you are doing! I, too, have no intentions of buying a 006 within the next hour! :D



Originally posted by Ken Stokes
Thoughts and prayers are with you Diverdude!

I have no intention of buying an 006 in the immediate future but have read every post on this thread, I think it the best and most enjoyable on AVS.

Ken

Originally posted by mark haflich
The thread is almost manageable to read

Well then, in its “almost manageable” form, you should have seen that everything that you have just written (except for the Toshiba thing – after all this is the Sony owner’s thread…and those “libelous” statements) has been stated ALREADY in this thread ….so all you’ve done is added to the bulk of this thread with your redundancy.

Please stop telling us things we have already read about here just so you can display your knowledge in an egotistical way. We must keep this thread slim and trim so that it is more manageable and that includes your self-serving repetition.

Originally posted by mark haflich

We do know that the deinterlacer/scaler in the 004 (with a $3000K factory mod ?
P.S. from P-M
You wouldn’t have to add a question mark after this…..if you had visited ALL the suites on the 5th floor at Caesar’s at the Sony show and PAID ATTENTION to everything that had been said !

Stop introducing confusion to this thread concerning already know entities, which have been previously confirmed.

Guys, I think I'm outta here also.

Penton........nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

You are the rock and your early feedback was a big part of the reason I bought the Q. Don't go because if you did this forum would be a lot less fun without ya.

:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Divedude is recuperating from triple bypass surgery...

My best wishes go to you and I expect you will have a quick recovery. Your obvious sense of humor is good medicine.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Penton-Man

Guys, I think I'm outta here also.

Ack don't lose the dream heck I been depending on you guys to both keep me sane and help out on valuable Qualia advice. A lot of us have dedicated endless hours to reading this thread and contributing. PM has been insanely dedicated but IF IT STRESSES DON'T DO IT! We all have gone through enough stress in our lives to have this thread GET UNDER OUR SKINS.

Hit an ignore or 2 if necessary - figure out what you enjoy about this thread (if anything) - HAVE FUN!!

God I will miss divedude and minidive they were great. GRRRRRRR!!!!!!!! at the thought of all those pictures and great comebacks being removed :( :( :(.

If the thread offends thee pluck it out, but heck I hope we retain some diehards at least until the 3rd wave is settled in. No one can compare with the dedication of PM (although some of you have done an incredible amount too THANKS) but I want him to be happy as heck and if dropping this thread helps him (or divedude) to be happy then best of luck may your days be long and your nights filled with fantasies interrupted only by Qualia viewing :)> or perhaps fantasies by Qualia light.

Dive If ye are gone I shall miss thee twas great waiting in the wings with you and I am glad we are both living life in Qualia vision. I wish you the very best in your recovery a man with your sense of humor should be able to kick anything's butt!

Enough!
What has been a great thread is degenerating into a pissing match. Let's keep the personal attacks out of thread. If you don't like what is said, ignore it, I assure you it will go away. MM, Penton-Man, Color TV and others made this thread what it is. A source of knowledge and energy from new owners. What made this thread good is the lack of insults, silliness and mine is better than yours mentality. Let's just go back there and stop acting foolish.

Ken

Originally posted by Penton-Man

Guys, I think I'm outta here also.

For those of you that have not followed this thread Penton-Man and a number of other very interesting people have been here from the start. These people have provided information and excitment for a long time. Recent arrivals have also been wonderful.

Mark, in the beginning, provided almost no useful information. After it looked like the Qualia was actually a good product, and safe to comment on, he supplied lots of sarcastic posts occasionally supported by some technical information.

For him to say he is going to ignore Penton is just silly. Mark, if you want to post just quit the sarcastic content.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Divedude is recuperating from triple bypass surgery and has now developed related post-op complications of gastric ulcer disease which has led to Iron Deficiency anemia. The 006 was a present to himself to celebrate the completion of a recent tenuous cardiac procedure.
I was holding off so that my 100th post would be "The Qualia has landed!", but some things are more important, and more appropriate . . . .

Get well soon, DiveDude. We miss you.

--Dwayne

My prayers will be with DiveDude.

My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

jb1

Have you toggled through the different inputs to be sure that you're on the correct one??

Ack jb1 haven't heard any stories like that before... That seems awfully odd that it can't shake at all with your dvd player. Um even the obvious "something might be up with your hdmi cord" doesn't seem to apply because heck there is nothing that should transpose images like that. I am glad you are enjoying the heck out of your Qualia that HDMI thing may end up needing servicing at some point (I know I can't really see a difference component vs HDMI) since some of the higher res content (like HD recorded on DVR) will only be available via HDMI. You tried all the different HDMI plugs right? With identical behavior on each?

Originally posted by jb1
My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Does this occur if you switch the Denon from input 6 to 7, or from 7 to 6????


The HDMI glitch with the Comcast 6412 that is reproducible only occurs if you switch to the 6412 with an HD channel playing that broadcasts in 720p - those being ESPNHD, or ABCHD, or and FOXHD. The double-picture goes away if you change the channel to a non-720p broadcasting channel. Does the transposed picture you see go to normal if you change the channel? If not, I suspect your set's might have been damaged in transit (???). This has not been reported by any other owner to date.

Originally posted by jb1
My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Does this occur if you switch the Denon from input 6 to 7, or from 7 to 6????


The HDMI glitch with the Comcast 6412 that is reproducible only occurs if you switch to the 6412 with an HD channel playing that broadcasts in 720p - those being ESPNHD, or ABCHD, or and FOXHD. The double-picture goes away if you change the channel to a non-720p broadcasting channel. Does the transposed picture you see go to normal if you change the channel? If not, I suspect your set's might have been damaged in transit (???). This has not been reported by any other owner to date.

Originally posted by jb1
My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Does this occur if you switch the Denon from input 6 to 7, or from 7 to 6????


The HDMI glitch with the Comcast 6412 that is reproducible only occurs if you switch to the 6412 with an HD channel playing that broadcasts in 720p - those being ESPNHD, or ABCHD, or and FOXHD. The double-picture goes away if you change the channel to a non-720p broadcasting channel. Does the transposed picture you see go to normal if you change the channel? If not, I suspect your set's might have been damaged in transit (???). This has not been reported by any other owner to date.

Originally posted by jb1
My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

Does this occur if you switch the Denon from input 6 to 7, or from 7 to 6????

The HDMI glitch with the Comcast 6412 that is reproducible only occurs if you switch to the 6412 with an HD channel playing that broadcasts in 720p - those being ESPNHD, or ABCHD, or and FOXHD. The double-picture goes away if you change the channel to a non-720p broadcasting channel. Does the transposed picture you see go to normal if you change the channel? If not, I suspect your set might have been damaged in transit (???). This has not been reported by any other owner to date.

Originally posted by thesirjay
Ack jb1 haven't heard any stories like that before... That seems awfully odd that it can't shake at all with your dvd player. Um even the obvious "something might be up with your hdmi cord" doesn't seem to apply because heck there is nothing that should transpose images like that. I am glad you are enjoying the heck out of your Qualia that HDMI thing may end up needing servicing at some point (I know I can't really see a difference component vs HDMI) since some of the higher res content (like HD recorded on DVR) will only be available via HDMI. You tried all the different HDMI plugs right? With identical behavior on each?

Next I intend to switch the 2 HDMI cables in the set and see if the problems follow. That should indicate if the problem is external to the set. I will also swap out the cable from the DVD to see if it may be bad. It's good to hear that there is a very small difference between HDMI and component. I have a service call in to my store and they will be coming out next week. I also talked to Qualia and if no body else can fix the problem they will send a person.

...and $3000K is too much! Think what we could do with 3 Million Dollars! :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
P.S. from P-M
You wouldn’t have to add a question mark after this…..if you had visited ALL the suites on the 5th floor at Caesar’s at the Sony show and PAID ATTENTION to everything that had been said !

Stop introducing confusion to this thread concerning already know entities, which have been previously confirmed.

Guys, I think I'm outta here also.

Penton and Mark,

I've really enjoyed this thread and have followed it, and the original thread since day 1, and have contributed many posts, and, I hope, some useful information to prospective owners, and new owners. I agree with many others that this thread has been one of the best on AVS.

I've enjoyed Penton's posts and found those that are about the 006, DVD players, etc. etc. to be very informative, while those that are not about audio/video directly are entertaining and humorous. Penton has obviously had a tremendous wealth of life experiences. Having read his posts for over 3 months, I think I know him pretty well, and am glad he has helped keep this thread alive and kicking, and helped keep it interesting. There comes a point where there is not much more that can be said about the 006 that hasn't already been covered.

I've been a little surprised, and have had difficulty understanding the tone of some of Mark's posts, being that they sometimes seem to be coming from a person who is not the Mark I know personally from some business dealings a few years back. At that time, Mark delivered a new Pioneer Elite 720HD to my home in central NJ from his shop in Maryland, and took my old Pioneer in return as a trade in. He gave me a very fair trade-in price, and even came to my home to be sure the set arrived O.K. He did all of this based solely on the fact that we knew each other from posts on AVS. So, I have nothing but good words to say about him based on those experiences. I have also found his posts in other threads to be very informative, and his posts in this thread also offer the insight of someone "in the business" who knows what he is talking about.

I think it is time for both of you to "forgive and forget" and move on. If you dislike some of each other's posts, why not keep that to yourselves, and let's return the tone of this thread back to where it was? I think you are both great guys, and have a lot to offer this thread, and hope you will both stay on and contribute.

Mark - Let's forget "page counts" and other ancillary criticisms, and move on.

nhey -

well said

nhey

well said

I see now the submit button is running slow

Originally posted by jb1
My Qualia was delivered yesterday! I wasn’t this excited when I bought my new car last fall. It took 2 guys about 15 minutes to unload, unpack and bring the set into the house. For the next 4 hours we tried to get to work the digital connections from the Comcast 6412 DVR and my Denon 2910 DVD player. We never did. The HDMI input from the DVR shows the right half of the picture on the left side of the screen and the left half of the picture on the right side of the screen. I’ve seen posts here about getting a double picture, but I am not sure this is the same as that. But I cannot get ride of it no matter what I do. The HDMI input from the DVD gets nothing at all. As far as we can tell the DVD is set up correctly. Has anybody else had any problems like these?

BTW, using component connections from the DVR and DVD the set looks fabulous!

Thanks for any help anyone can give.

I have a Denon 2910 DVD player and have had no problems like you describe. You just need to be aware that there are two menu locations in the Denon that need to be set to get the 480i output. I noticed that the 480i was better than the 480p.

My suggestion would be to try all the formats 480i, 480p, etc. There may be a problem with the conversion in software and that would be a clue for Sony. The problem may also be in some menu setting of which I/we are unaware. I don't believe a problem like this is due to shipping. This sounds like a configuration problem or corrupt software. It is hard to see how a defective cable could affect a serial data stream in this manner. When you are using component the Qualia does the analog to digital conversions. When you are using HDMI the Qualia will use some different software functions.

This would be such an obvious defect that it would be hard to see how Sony would let it ship.

My best suggestion is to write down everything you try and what you observe as a consquence. Do not trust your memory!

You don't want to ignore this and just use component. Some outputs may only be available in digital format and if you want to locate your equipment a long distance away from the Qualia then digital format is the way to go.

Dilbert1

OK, I am IN! Bought Q today and it is at a Local Store...all boxed and NEW!

Please come back all who have left! I may need some help! :D

Originally posted by mpsan
OK, I am IN! Bought Q today and it is at a Local Store...all boxed and NEW!

Please come back all who have left! I may need some help! :D

You hear this PM, someone needs our help. Too bad though that I am just an av wannabe. You added substance and humor to this thread from day 1, so please don't stop now. I'll always be on your side man!!!! :D

Remember that saying that if you quit, then you let the other guy win!!!!

I am just a wannabe also, I read this forum everyday and have been for some time. You guys have it going on here so dont let a few ruin it for everyone. Divedude, I miss your pictures, Color I miss your knowledge of the industry, PM I can handle your humor. I just really enjoy reading about everyones experience with the 006. Cause one day I to will have a 1080p when they are a tad cheaper. So you all come back and lets be a happy family again. And PLEASE post more screenshots for us non owners of the 006!! Zechman, I havent figured you out yet:D

you know, the other day i was able to download the manual for the qualia 006 from sony's website by putting in the model number, KDS70Q006.

today, i can't seem to locate it on any of sony's sites except for sony canada which indicates that i need to register/login to download the manual for the 006.

Originally posted by BenDover
you know, the other day i was able to download the manual for the qualia 006 from sony's website ... today, i can't seem to locate it on any of sony's sites except for sony canada

Weird; why would Sony do that? Wonder if there's something in the old manual that the lawyers didn't like??? Let the Conspiracy Theories begin...

In the meantime...
Qualia Downloads (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Originally posted by mark haflich
This post will self delete in 24 hours...

Your mission, should you decide to accept it, Jim, is to infiltrate the Iranian embassy...

Originally posted by pepco
Zechman, I havent figured you out yet:D

Aw heck, I'm not even sure that I've got me figured out yet . . . . ;)

--Dwayne

What's up with this deleting of posts man!!!!!! Now you all stop being silly and let us all get along.

Mark,
Glad to hear that you're wife was really impressed with the Q006!

Penton,
Where are you man!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really miss reading your posts. There was not one day that I wouldn't see your name on a page.

mpsan,
Congrats on your purchase.

thesirjay,
Where's the pics and reviews.

Don't worry and just be happy! :D

Someone mentioned very slight vertical banding on their 006. What is the cause of that?

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Someone mentioned very slight vertical banding on their 006. What is the cause of that?

Are you experiencing it too?

very very slight but only with my satellite box.
Really gotta get up there and look for it and then only on a light screen. Is this a cable problem. Didn't notice it when I had components hooked up to cable box. Only stared when went DVI but again is very very slight and you gotta be real close to even see it. But it is there.

If I like to watch things with the Vivid setting does this mean I am not a videophile. I set the pro settings per the specs on the first page and the wife and kids want the Vivid back. Sure does give the colors a kick in the pants. Very plasma like.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
very very slight but only with my satellite box.
Really gotta get up there and look for it and then only on a light screen. Is this a cable problem. Didn't notice it when I had components hooked up to cable box. Only stared when went DVI but again is very very slight and you gotta be real close to even see it. But it is there.

MM,

Your description matches my experience (see a page or two back). Which Sat provider do you use? On my set I've only seen it via my Comcast 6412 DVR (connected over DVI>HDMI), but I have been extremely busy (gone a LOT) and haven't had the time to try alternate sources (DVD or DVHS) or different outputs on the 6412. Will try and check out those options soon...

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
If I like to watch things with the Vivid setting does this mean I am not a videophile?

IMHO everybody should enjoy their "stuff" in their own way. Everyone has different visual perception, so my preferences might not match that of other people. Enjoy your Qualia and marvel at it's greatness! As long as you're not using it to master my DVDs, that is...

:D

After drooling all over my new set all weekend I can't for the life of me understand why everyone gets all balled up with the contrast ratio and black levels of anything besides a CRT being unacceptable. I really can't find one thing wrong with this picture. To me its blacks are really black and good detail. The picture just has so much punch to it I sit there slackjawed. People have been over at my house all weekend and everyone is awestruck. (I have seen the incredibles 4 times now).

Good grief I just sit back in awe and take in that monster picture. 70 inches is really really cool at 10 feet from the screen. This is way better than being at the movies. After about 18 inches I can no longer resolve the pixels.


Bree Van De Kamp and Gabrielle look extra seductive on this thing. Deadwood is just awesome and thank goodness Swearengen is getting better because there is a lot of butt needing kicking........the detail in the shadows is great. Have not seen 24 yet but expect it will look good too in that CTU batcave. Nascar was stunningly redneck. INHD is stunning. HBO...stunning. DVD's....Stunning.

Of course a CRT may have better contrast reatio on paper but ahhh this picture. NEVER have I seen anything like this so whatever contrast ratio/black levels this thing has they are just perfect for me and I don't care anymore. I never worry about burn in, the picture is a torch and looks outstanding in well lit room. If I keep the image 4:3 then I have the equivilent of about an 56 inch "normal" TV

You will NOT regret buying this set in any way whatsoever other than trying to move the monster around tight corners or up stairs.


Stability and Contentment have been achieved

brt3 I use the Time Warner box 8300HD with a HDMI cable from Radio Shack now. (Yes I was slumming). I had originally had it hooked up via component and to tell the truth I can't tell one lick of difference between the two other than the HDMI is more convenient because it is only one skinny cable that handles video and sound.

I would recommend recording a Bikini Destinations or two for you to show your friends what this set can do. The landscapes are very very nice.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
I would recommend recording a Bikini Destinations or two for you to show your friends what this set can do. The landscapes are very very nice.

I have the HDNet D-VHS where the lovely women of Bikini Destinations cavort without clothing. Believe it or not, I've been so d*mn busy (think IRS) that I haven't had the time to check it out!

I will say that one of my more awesome Qualia experiences has been observing the lovely Tera Patrick via anamorphic DVD. She can upscale my interlaced HDMI output any day of the week...

Where's Penton-Man when you need him for some MCP (yet Qualia related) sexist banter???

Motormouth -

Make sure you invite a bunch of folks who like American Idol over to watch it tomorrow night. You will be AMAZED at how great it looks. Trust me, you will be AMAZED.

24 looks good, but IMHO nowhere near as good as AI on this set.

Comcast came through for me. Saw the Yankees and the BIG UNIT on the BIG BIRD last night in HD on YESHD.

All I can say is WOW!!!!!

thx........I "think" my 8300HD box is set to pass through. It shows the different signal types based on what channel I am on. 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i.

Will also give American Idol a go.

:)

Originally posted by nhey
Does this occur if you switch the Denon from input 6 to 7, or from 7 to 6????

The HDMI glitch with the Comcast 6412 that is reproducible only occurs if you switch to the 6412 with an HD channel playing that broadcasts in 720p - those being ESPNHD, or ABCHD, or and FOXHD. The double-picture goes away if you change the channel to a non-720p broadcasting channel. Does the transposed picture you see go to normal if you change the channel? If not, I suspect your set might have been damaged in transit (???). This has not been reported by any other owner to date.

Nice to know I'm not the only one with a hosed connection on occasion! ;)

Originally posted by brt3
I have the HDNet D-VHS where the lovely women of Bikini Destinations cavort without clothing. Believe it or not, I've been so d*mn busy (think IRS) that I haven't had the time to check it out!

I will say that one of my more awesome Qualia experiences has been observing the lovely Tera Patrick via anamorphic DVD. She can upscale my interlaced HDMI output any day of the week...

Where's Penton-Man when you need him for some MCP (yet Qualia related) sexist banter???

Time Warner recently rolled out HD on demand down here... SPICE channel HD CANNOT be far behind. Hmm, do I really *want* that much detail??

MM- How did you set your 8300 box to "pass thru"? Using the HDMI output, I can't find any way to pass thru. I've set it to record in 480i, 720p, and 1080i; but it won't send anything over the HDMI except 1080i.

Ted you need to go through the setup and confirm all of those resolutions work with your TV in the 8300 software. Then you can select pass-though from the normal menu on the 8300. At least this works on mine over component.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
If I like to watch things with the Vivid setting does this mean I am not a videophile. I set the pro settings per the specs on the first page and the wife and kids want the Vivid back. Sure does give the colors a kick in the pants. Very plasma like.

MM,
My wife and kid also likes the vivid mode. I have also set my Pro settings to brt3's setting on page one. I have been switching off depending on what I am watching.

PRO MODE - Movies on HBO, SHO, DVDs, etc. (looks more film like)
VIVID MODE - Variety shows on Discovery HD, HDnet, etc. (especially on animated movies or shows)

nhey is right, you gotta watch American Idol. The PQ and 5.1 sound will blow you away, provided the video and audio is in sync (Fox issue).

Based on UMR's post I may not have it set through pass through. I set all the resolutions but can't remember if I ever saw an option for passthrough. I was just assuming since it showed the signal that it was passing that through. Assumption is probably in error sounds like. I will recheck tonight. If it is not set to passthrough then the 8300HD will be doing the processing that the Q006 is also doing.

I sure know that the stuff that comes over as 1080i lookes absolutely stunning. The analog channels in SD is not bad but not quite as good as a good SD set. The digital SD channels (above 76 or so) are much improved. And of course any HD signal is way way cool.

Thanks everyone. I will let you know when the Q is delivered. Should be sometime this week.

I hope everyone is back here by then...miss Color and PM!

I believe I am going to go with the TheaterTech Stand. I think at least one other person here has it and I wonder if they got the fans and IR option?

Originally posted by mpsan
I believe I am going to go with the TheaterTech Stand. I think at least one other person here has it and I wonder if they got the fans and IR option?

mspan,

Do you have a link for the TheaterTech stand?

Yes, it is actually Diamondcase who makes the line. It sure looks GREAT. Even the features like running cables between shelves in back and letting heat escape! Also, they will customize it so that it is a bit bigger for the Q!

Diamond Case (http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML)

Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

Do you have a link for the TheaterTech stand?

It's official!

Q minus 24 hours, and counting!

Pictures tomorrow evening, assuming I can pull myself away from it. :cool:

--Dwayne

Congrats Dwayne -you deserve it!

Maybe you can then flex your "computer muscle" and teach us a thing or two.

Originally posted by Zechman
It's official!

Q minus 24 hours, and counting!

Pictures tomorrow evening, assuming I can pull myself away from it. :cool:

--Dwayne

Remember to save the protective bag that encloses the Qualia. If you are not careful the movers will take the bag when you are not looking.

I think the bag may be useful to you some time in the future.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by mpsan
Yes, it is actually Diamondcase who makes the line. It sure looks GREAT. Even the features like running cables between shelves in back and letting heat escape! Also, they will customize it so that it is a bit bigger for the Q!

Diamond Case (http://www.diamondcase.com/TT/TT_HTML_Files/TT400.HTML)


FYI - I very seriously considered the Diamond TheaterTech case and actually ordered it, but then cancelled it. Reason is because the floor to bottom of screen distance was 10" higher than it is for the Sony stand. I agree the Diamond case is beautiful, well built, etc. and if you can deal with its height you'll have a great case. I guess you will get used to it - you may have to look up a little from a seated position. For my family that was a deal breaker.

Woot Zech! Thank goodness its on the way. Hopefully they are not going to skimp and have a single lady come over to move it ;) heh luckily the lady who came with mine was strong as heck.

Originally posted by nhey
FYI - I very seriously considered the Diamond TheaterTech case and actually ordered it, but then cancelled it. Reason is because the floor to bottom of screen distance was 10" higher than it is for the Sony stand. I agree the Diamond case is beautiful, well built, etc. and if you can deal with its height you'll have a great case. I guess you will get used to it - you may have to look up a little from a seated position. For my family that was a deal breaker.

The lower would be better. I have the Salamander triple and is similar to the Diamond case in size and height, but will still look good if you have a far enough viewing distance. BTW I like the length of the middle section on the Diamond case.

Originally posted by Dilbert1
Remember to save the protective bag that encloses the Qualia. If you are not careful the movers will take the bag when you are not looking.

I think the bag may be useful to you some time in the future.



Great advice Dilbert! I, along with the first wavers, did not think about this, and had wished that I did save that bag. You never know when you suddenly have to move. Just imagine having some movers transport this monstern :D

Yes, I do understand the height issue but we recline and that tends to make us look up a bit anyway. I will, however, remeasure!

Originally posted by nhey
FYI - I very seriously considered the Diamond TheaterTech case and actually ordered it, but then cancelled it. Reason is because the floor to bottom of screen distance was 10" higher than it is for the Sony stand. I agree the Diamond case is beautiful, well built, etc. and if you can deal with its height you'll have a great case. I guess you will get used to it - you may have to look up a little from a seated position. For my family that was a deal breaker.

Originally posted by Zechman
It's official!

Q minus 24 hours, and counting!

Pictures tomorrow evening, assuming I can pull myself away from it. :cool:


Zechman,
I miss those countdowns. You and MM were especially the ones I have been excited for! Don't forget the pics and reviews.

Mine can not be delivered this week. The 13th is what the store said.

Also, the TheaterTech is only about 8" higher than the Sony Stand.



Originally posted by kaduku
Zechman,
I miss those countdowns. You and MM were especially the ones I have been excited for! Don't forget the pics and reviews.

The stand I built was to the Sony stand Specs and it is exactly 16 inches off the floor. When you are seated on the couch even this low actually puts the center of the screen just a tad above eye level. Just be aware if your stand is higher than 16 inches you will be looking progressively higher and higher. Some people don't mind that but I like to look directly into the center of the screen if possible.

This thing is enormous.

zman, enjoy the ride! you will not be disappointed

Got my copy of the service manual today. I will try and get relevant portions digitized and loaded onto my webpage so everyone can wreak havoc with their set's service menu...

I was looking at the online manual. It looks like the Q006 has 1 Digital Audio out (from its tuner) and it is not Coax. Is that true?

My proc has 5 Digital inputs. 4 Coax and 1 Optical. The Optical is being used and I am using 2 of the 4 coax, so was hoping Sony had Coax Digital Audio OUT...but I guess not!

Just heard from someone on behalf of Josh over at DOCDVD they are shipping today!

Originally posted by mark haflich
BTW Did you know that the mighty and famous David Wilson (and his family) of Wilson Audio fame once lived in Novato, California?

Yes, before he abandoned us for more Mormon climes...

Think the Qualia Service Manual was about $15 bucks with shipping and all. It has about three pages of interesting details; the rest requires an EE to decipher. Just enough information here to get the devious into serious trouble; I'll make sure and post detailed "restoring facory defaults" instructions...

Congats, BenDover; glad to hear your set's on the way -- you can stand up now...

:D

Originally posted by brt3
Congats, BenDover; glad to hear your set's on the way -- you can stand up now...

:D


set, who said anything about the set...they are delivering the stand :D


i wish i would have caught them in time, i would rather take delivery of both at the same time in case something happens to the set and i end up looking at an empty stand for weeks or even months.

Originally posted by BenDover
set, who said anything about the set...they are delivering the stand :D

Sorry, Ben -- tough to keep up with the thread on my Treo 600 when on the road. Guess you'll have to bend back over...

Originally posted by BenDover
set, who said anything about the set...they are delivering the stand :D


i wish i would have caught them in time, i would rather take delivery of both at the same time in case something happens to the set and i end up looking at an empty stand for weeks or even months.

Heh as a person looking at a Qualia without the stand yet I definitely would pick that rather than stand sans Qualia. I will have to shoot Josh an email seeing if my stand is on the way :).

Originally posted by thesirjay
Heh as a person looking at a Qualia without the stand yet I definitely would pick that rather than stand sans Qualia. I will have to shoot Josh an email seeing if my stand is on the way :).

interesting, you got the set but no stand, i got the stand but no set...they should have sent you the stand as opposed to me...

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Based on UMR's post I may not have it set through pass through. I set all the resolutions but can't remember if I ever saw an option for passthrough. I was just assuming since it showed the signal that it was passing that through. Assumption is probably in error sounds like. I will recheck tonight. If it is not set to passthrough then the 8300HD will be doing the processing that the Q006 is also doing.

I sure know that the stuff that comes over as 1080i lookes absolutely stunning. The analog channels in SD is not bad but not quite as good as a good SD set. The digital SD channels (above 76 or so) are much improved. And of course any HD signal is way way cool.

Here is a link to the 8300hd manual and what they say about your setting it to passthru

Roy


http://www.scientificatlanta.com/ExplorerClubGuides/getting_started/4004007.pdf

Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful P.M.’s guys. Honestly, at this time, I am in no mood to post anything on this thread, other than this last note for at least awhile.

It just bothers me to no end that somebody could have the audacity to join this thread in mid-stream and tell us what is and what isn’t appropriate to post here – when we were doing just fine for some 190+ pages. I mean who the hell does he think he is ?????

I really can’t ignore anybody like some have recommended because I feel like I miss the whole tone of the thread if I do that. I also think it’s evident that I have tried to get along with this guy by complementing some of his technical posts and encouraging him to offer more and I was spit in the face in return, more than once with indirect cloak and dagger comments.

Also, I consider the whole dribble, dribble,*let’s get this worthless thread up to 200 pages fiasco before 8:00 P.M.* an affront to each and every poster and reader of this thread that was enjoying it. It wasn’t being done in the good-natured spirit of camaraderie of fellow Qualia 006 owners and non-owner contributors but rather as a sarcastic commentary on what many of us had been doing since jb007 started this thread.

I mean jb007 (who whether he wants to admit it or not) is more than just the founding father of this thread but also the person most responsible for the purchase of the 006 by MANY of the first wavers.(and they for the second wavers). Even jb had to put this guy on his ignore list which he hadn’t done with anybody in what…..? four years ?

Divedude, who LOVED this thread, was provoked to delete all of his posts and simply leave because of this individual. I mean he was essentially driven out of town by this guy.

I can’t post again until I see divedude, jb007 and colortv all coming back and contributing both on topic and off topic stuff with the same enthusiasm that they did in the past….and if this guy continues to stay with us, he learns to behave himself.

I will perhaps lurk for awhile just in case there is some major earth shattering problem with the 006 …. such as with the 86 units that were shipped backed to Japan for reworking due to the Blue Ghost issue – which thankfully nobody on this thread has experienced – Q.A. having picked up all the rotten apples before they got out to the masses.

I hope to see more pics posted by the second and third wavers and perhaps umr will throw out a bone once in awhile to those that can’t afford calibrations after burning their budgets on the display because he is a valuable asset that could offer us alot and we could all learn from.

Motor and kaduku, I’d like to see the same craziness from you two guys each and every day to keep up the momentum until the 3rd wavers join the family and this little thread goes on to be greatest thread that there ever was on the AVS forum because people thought “out of the box” and truly went out of their way for others rather than it being as dilbert said just another *tech support forum* or an exercise in intellectual one-upmanship.
brt – keep adding to that homepage because I visit it several times a week for related info.
Dilbert and nhey ….you are both class acts.

Until later perhaps,
Penton

Can any of the 006 owners tell me ( if using a cable card 1.99 per mo.) whether or not the 006 can pass audio and video out to a recorder or computer, or would i have to get their box and another remote.
PS: been told just a couple weeks now b4 delevery :-)

Well, in my case I will get the set next week and the stand in another 12 weeks!! I would rather have it your way! :D


Originally posted by BenDover
set, who said anything about the set...they are delivering the stand :D


i wish i would have caught them in time, i would rather take delivery of both at the same time in case something happens to the set and i end up looking at an empty stand for weeks or even months.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt – keep adding to that homepage because I visit it several times a week for related info. Until later perhaps, Penton

Penton -- hope to see you back soon; to paraphrase the immortal Kaduku, "Later, dude!"...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful P.M.’s guys. Honestly, at this time, I am in no mood to post anything on this thread, other than this last note for at least awhile.

It just bothers me to no end that somebody could have the audacity to join this thread in mid-stream and tell us what is and what isn’t appropriate to post here – when we were doing just fine for some 190+ pages. I mean who the hell does he think he is ?????

I really can’t ignore anybody like some have recommended because I feel like I miss the whole tone of the thread if I do that. I also think it’s evident that I have tried to get along with this guy by complementing some of his technical posts and encouraging him to offer more and I was spit in the face in return, more than once with indirect cloak and dagger comments.

Also, I consider the whole dribble, dribble,*let’s get this worthless thread up to 200 pages fiasco before 8:00 P.M.* an affront to each and every poster and reader of this thread that was enjoying it. It wasn’t being done in the good-natured spirit of camaraderie of fellow Qualia 006 owners and non-owner contributors but rather as a sarcastic commentary on what many of us had been doing since jb007 started this thread.

I mean jb007 (who whether he wants to admit it or not) is more than just the founding father of this thread but also the person most responsible for the purchase of the 006 by MANY of the first wavers.(and they for the second wavers). Even jb had to put this guy on his ignore list which he hadn’t done with anybody in what…..? four years ?

Divedude, who LOVED this thread, was provoked to delete all of his posts and simply leave because of this individual. I mean he was essentially driven out of town by this guy.

I can’t post again until I see divedude, jb007 and colortv all coming back and contributing both on topic and off topic stuff with the same enthusiasm that they did in the past….and if this guy continues to stay with us, he learns to behave himself.

I will perhaps lurk for awhile just in case there is some major earth shattering problem with the 006 …. such as with the 86 units that were shipped backed to Japan for reworking due to the Blue Ghost issue – which thankfully nobody on this thread has experienced – Q.A. having picked up all the rotten apples before they got out to the masses.

I hope to see more pics posted by the second and third wavers and perhaps umr will throw out a bone once in awhile to those that can’t afford calibrations after burning their budgets on the display because he is a valuable asset that could offer us alot and we could all learn from.

Motor and kaduku, I’d like to see the same craziness from you two guys each and every day to keep up the momentum until the 3rd wavers join the family and this little thread goes on to be greatest thread that there ever was on the AVS forum because people thought “out of the box” and truly went out of their way for others rather than it being as dilbert said just another *tech support forum* or an exercise in intellectual one-upmanship.
brt – keep adding to that homepage because I visit it several times a week for related info.
Dilbert and nhey ….you are both class acts.

sparky -- hope you're not in the middle of a twenty-one gun salute; is your keyboard OK?

So, how am I going to tell PM how my New Sony 975 works with my 006? I have the 975 (still in an unopened box), just need to wait 'til the 13th for the Q delivery!

Originally posted by brt3
Penton -- hope to see you back soon; to paraphrase the immortal Kaduku, "Later, dude!"...

D*mn, Penton-Man, I was hoping you'd be the one to push the thread onto it's 200th page. Wouldn't that have been sweet irony...

BTW, on other threads they refer to us as a cult. I consider it a compliment. I think when you spend this much there can be a huge potential for buyer's remorse; I have yet to hear anyone express regret at buying this set. It will be interesting to see the reviews this set gets from the more reliable mags. Hope they go into great detail on their calibration settings...

PM, could you PM me more info on the "Blue Ghost" issue?

Originally posted by Penton-Man

Motor and kaduku, I’d like to see the same craziness from you two guys each and every day to keep up the momentum until the 3rd wavers join the family and this little thread goes on to be greatest thread that there ever was on the AVS forum because people thought “out of the box” and truly went out of their way for others rather than it being as dilbert said just another *tech support forum* or an exercise in intellectual one-upmanship.


PM,
BS with the perhaps crap, we'll be here waiting for your return man!!!! :D

PM,
As a lurker from day 1 I have to admit my heart jumped for a second when I saw your name pop up. Heck, even my wife would wonder by and read your posts and Color's also - and she can care less about this stuff - she just enjoyed the (quality)banter.

I think I can speak for many of my fellow (silent) lurkers when I say I hope that your (future) posts can again eat into large chunks of my work day - time well spent!

What happened????

This thread has gone to crap!

Originally posted by brt3
sparky -- hope you're not in the middle of a twenty-one gun salute; is your keyboard OK?

No brt, just read Penton's post and couldn't believe he didn't mention me in there somewhere?:)

I guess he is right, this was the best thread because of the unique blend of tech and informal coffee shop talk. When you are comfortable on a thread, alot of OT does come out. People become friends. It just normal human nature. What do you think MD's talk about? Almost anything but medicine unless the need arises. I sure hope the thread stays how it was.
If it does change, and we become a bunch of full-time serious a**holes, what would be the point? I suggest you all drink heavily and think about it.
Just kidding, I don't even drink! For some strange reason, patients in the ER don't like to smell ETOH on their Dr's breath.

Sparky

Originally posted by Penton-Man
….and if this guy continues to stay with us, he learns to behave himself.

I will perhaps lurk for awhile just in case there is some major earth shattering problem with the 006 …. such as with the 86 units that were shipped backed to Japan for reworking due to the Blue Ghost issue – which thankfully nobody on this thread has experienced – Q.A. having picked up all the rotten apples before they got out to the masses.

I hope to see more pics posted by the second and third wavers and perhaps umr will throw out a bone once in awhile to those that can’t afford calibrations after burning their budgets on the display because he is a valuable asset that could offer us alot and we could all learn from.

...
Penton

PM,

I personally ignore a few people on this forum. I would have left a long time ago if I continued to read their posts. I understand your issues about missing the flow of a thread when you are ignoring a poster though.

Ted and I should be meeting up this weekend to dive into his Qualia if things go as planned for me. I plan on posting a detailed review with pictures if I have time and Ted's permission. I will also try and post some information on the user menu adjustments based on my signal generator test patterns. I will also describe what if anything can be had by tweaking the service mode. However, I will not be posting how to preform any service mode adjustments.

The service manual for this TV is very sparse unless you are interested in the schematics or minor repairs. The schematics do confirm that the HDMI input is not converted to analog until the panel drivers. The electronics in this TV look more like a front projector than Sony's typical rear projector. I have high hopes based on that, but we shall see.

Originally posted by umr
PM,
I plan on posting a detailed review with pictures if I have time and Ted's permission. I will also try and post some information on the user menu adjustments based on my signal generator test patterns. I will also describe what if anything can be had by tweaking the service mode.
:)

Originally posted by sparkysj
No brt, just read Penton's post and couldn't believe he didn't mention me in there somewhere?:)

Even though the “elite status” of the medical profession would probably be awarded to the Neurosurgeons and Thoracic Cardiovascular Surgeons, the backbone of the profession are the Family Practitioners in rural areas like sparky that forsake the big bucks of large city Surgical Specialists and provide more good to more people in the long run.

Sparky,
Next time when you feel as exhausted as you did during your first year of residency and you get a call at 3:00 a.m. to come into the Emergency Room to see a patient (and your wife just rolls over in bed in disgust)–just remember, bestowed upon but a few are :

1. The ability to save lives and stamp out disease
and…….
2. The chance to watch the best damn TV on the market when you’re not working.:D

PM's stayed up until the AM...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
:)

:D :D :D

Atta Boy Girl!!!!!!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Thanks for the kind words and thoughtful P.M.’s guys. Honestly, at this time, I am in no mood to post anything on this thread, other than this last note for at least awhile.

It just bothers me to no end that somebody could have the audacity to join this thread in mid-stream and tell us what is and what isn’t appropriate to post here – when we were doing just fine for some 190+ pages. I mean who the hell does he think he is ?????

I really can’t ignore anybody like some have recommended because I feel like I miss the whole tone of the thread if I do that. I also think it’s evident that I have tried to get along with this guy by complementing some of his technical posts and encouraging him to offer more and I was spit in the face in return, more than once with indirect cloak and dagger comments.

Also, I consider the whole dribble, dribble,*let’s get this worthless thread up to 200 pages fiasco before 8:00 P.M.* an affront to each and every poster and reader of this thread that was enjoying it. It wasn’t being done in the good-natured spirit of camaraderie of fellow Qualia 006 owners and non-owner contributors but rather as a sarcastic commentary on what many of us had been doing since jb007 started this thread.

I mean jb007 (who whether he wants to admit it or not) is more than just the founding father of this thread but also the person most responsible for the purchase of the 006 by MANY of the first wavers.(and they for the second wavers). Even jb had to put this guy on his ignore list which he hadn’t done with anybody in what…..? four years ?

Divedude, who LOVED this thread, was provoked to delete all of his posts and simply leave because of this individual. I mean he was essentially driven out of town by this guy.

I can’t post again until I see divedude, jb007 and colortv all coming back and contributing both on topic and off topic stuff with the same enthusiasm that they did in the past….and if this guy continues to stay with us, he learns to behave himself.

I will perhaps lurk for awhile just in case there is some major earth shattering problem with the 006 …. such as with the 86 units that were shipped backed to Japan for reworking due to the Blue Ghost issue – which thankfully nobody on this thread has experienced – Q.A. having picked up all the rotten apples before they got out to the masses.

I hope to see more pics posted by the second and third wavers and perhaps umr will throw out a bone once in awhile to those that can’t afford calibrations after burning their budgets on the display because he is a valuable asset that could offer us alot and we could all learn from.

Motor and kaduku, I’d like to see the same craziness from you two guys each and every day to keep up the momentum until the 3rd wavers join the family and this little thread goes on to be greatest thread that there ever was on the AVS forum because people thought “out of the box” and truly went out of their way for others rather than it being as dilbert said just another *tech support forum* or an exercise in intellectual one-upmanship.
brt – keep adding to that homepage because I visit it several times a week for related info.
Dilbert and nhey ….you are both class acts.

Until later perhaps,
Penton

Penton/ColorTV/Divedude - you are all class acts and "pillars" of this forum. Hope to see you all back here REAL SOON. It's not the same w/o your posts. I'm 100% confident we will no longer see the type of posts that caused the problems. Mark says he has taken the advice to heart and I do believe him.

Thanks, Penton!

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Does the HDMI carry 5.1 surround sound or is it just two channel?


thx
HDMI in general will carry 5.1 surround sound just fine.

The Qualia 006, however, with its two speakers, will not decode or down-convert 5.1 sound. Why should it? It's not a surround-sound system.

I kinda wish it would pass 5.1 audio from HDMI to the optical audio out, but I'm pretty sure that port is exclusively for sound from the built-in ATSC tuner.

--Dwayne

P.S. Q minus 6 hours and counting . . . .

Is the audio necessarily dolby 5.1 or is it simply digital which would encompass DTS and the 7.1 variations?

The spec sheet says the digital audio optical output is PCM/Dolby Digital.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Someone mentioned very slight vertical banding on their 006. What is the cause of that?
Sony just replaced my "optical engine" and the vertical lines are now gone! I could see the vertical lines fairly clearly, even on the menu backgrounds with no inputs plugged in.

If you only see it on cable, it might just be the digital compression blocks.

Originally posted by Zechman
HDMI in general will carry 5.1 surround sound just fine.

The Qualia 006, however, with its two speakers, will not decode or down-convert 5.1 sound. Why should it? It's not a surround-sound system.

I kinda wish it would pass 5.1 audio from HDMI to the optical audio out, but I'm pretty sure that port is exclusively for sound from the built-in ATSC tuner.

--Dwayne

P.S. Q minus 6 hours and counting . . . .

I would LOVE to see this... it would save the extra coax/toslink to the processor. Then again with an switch to the new Denon Uber-ceiver I wouldn't have to worry about it at all. I just have this prejudice against receivers vs. separate pre/procs and can't get my head around replacing an MC-12B with a receiver. Someone tell me I'm wrong and the Denon sounds just as good so I can go buy the thing. :)

Originally posted by umr
PM,
Ted and I should be meeting up this weekend to dive into his Qualia if things go as planned for me. I plan on posting a detailed review with pictures if I have time and Ted's permission. I will also try and post some information on the user menu adjustments based on my signal generator test patterns. I will also describe what if anything can be had by tweaking the service mode. However, I will not be posting how to preform any service mode adjustments.



Are you planning on any ND filter experimentation?

Does anyone know if the SXRD technology in the 006 uses polarizers??

Originally posted by sycore
What happened????

This thread has gone to crap!


Dare I say, would this be a case of "The pot calling the kettle black"?:)


Be skiing ya,

DSG

P.S. Or am I mixing up my metaphors?

Originally posted by h2osports
Dare I say, would this be a case of "The pot calling the kettle black"?:)


Be skiing ya,

DSG

P.S. Or am I mixing up my metaphors?

No, you would be wrong. At least I stuck to the topic and discussed the 006 and other LCoS based alternatives. This thread has evolved into a bunch of sorority girls sitting around discussing color schemes of matching furniture stands and where they went on their summer vacation.

Originally posted by sycore
No, you would be wrong. At least I stuck to the topic and discussed the 006 and other LCoS based alternatives. This thread has evolved into a bunch of sorority girls sitting around discussing color schemes of matching furniture stands and where they went on their summer vacation.

Obviously, besides not having a life and a Q006, you also don't have any furniture in your home. You poor thing :( PM me your address and I will send you a couple dollars. Hey, if your save your pennies, you too might be able to take a Hawaii vacation like I did last week. Man, it was freakin awesome.

Back to the SA 8300 box and the Q 006. I confirmed by experimentation that "pass thru" is not available when using the HDMI connrction to the Q 006, but is when using the component connections. My SA 8300 Box (TW SARA software) says it is outputting 1080i, regardless of the source material when I am connected by HDMI. It appears that if one is going to use the Q 006's putatively superior scaler (to the SA 8300 scaler); one must forgo the pleasures of an all digital connection and use component video connections. I say " putatively" because I think we have taken this as a matter of faith and expectation--a reasonable expectation, in my view. I'll be taking down my setup on Wednesday to install the center speaker shelf, and I'll change over the video connections to component, then; and report back on the results on Thursday. The acid test for me is a comparison of the Direc TV 480i signal to the Q 006 via S-video, vs the TW SA 8300 SD signal. The Direc TV SD signal is being upconverted to 1080p by the Q 006. The TW SA 8300 SD signal is being converted to 1080i by the TW box, and then 1080p by the Q 006. At present, the TW SA 8300 SD picture is inferior to the one from the Direc TV SD Tivo unit, which is being upconverted from 480i to 1080p only in the Q 006. I will also, at UMR's suggestion, connect the Direc TV SD Tivo to the Q 006 via the composite connection. He has suggested that the Sony's separation of the elements of the video signal may be superior to that of the Sony SAT T 60 Tivo unit.

Originally posted by Ted99
Back to the SA 8300 box and the Q 006. I confirmed by experimentation that "pass thru" is not available when using the HDMI connrction to the Q 006, but is when using the component connections. My SA 8300 Box (TW SARA software) says it is outputting 1080i, regardless of the source material when I am connected by HDMI. It appears that if one is going to use the Q 006's putatively superior scaler (to the SA 8300 scaler); one must forgo the pleasures of an all digital connection and use component video connections. I say " putatively" because I think we have taken this as a matter of faith and expectation--a reasonable expectation, in my view. I'll be taking down my setup on Wednesday to install the center speaker shelf, and I'll change over the video connections to component, then; and report back on the results on Thursday. The acid test for me is a comparison of the Direc TV 480i signal to the Q 006 via S-video, vs the TW SA 8300 SD signal. The Direc TV SD signal is being upconverted to 1080p by the Q 006. The TW SA 8300 SD signal is being converted to 1080i by the TW box, and then 1080p by the Q 006. At present, the TW SA 8300 SD picture is inferior to the one from the Direc TV SD Tivo unit, which is being upconverted from 480i to 1080p only in the Q 006. I will also, at UMR's suggestion, connect the Direc TV SD Tivo to the Q 006 via the composite connection. He has suggested that the Sony's separation of the elements of the video signal may be superior to that of the Sony SAT T 60 Tivo unit.

Would this the same for a dvd player connected via HDMI to the Q006?

Ted99,

It's a shame that the SA 8300 will only pass a 1080I signal through the HDMI. Obviously this limits you in selecting where the upconvert(s) take place.

I will be curious to hear the results.

Originally posted by rcohen
Sony just replaced my "optical engine" and the vertical lines are now gone! I could see the vertical lines fairly clearly, even on the menu backgrounds with no inputs plugged in.

If you only see it on cable, it might just be the digital compression blocks.

rcohen,

On my set there's no way it's digital compression. Instead of a "blocky" look I'm seeing vertical banding that's composed of static-like noise. They are evenly spaced across the width of the screen; I'd guess you have something like 1/2 inch of a noise band, then 1/2 inch where the screen is clear, then 1/2 inch of a noise band -- all the way across the screeen. Is this what you saw on your Qualia?

Originally posted by kanebear
Are you planning on any ND filter experimentation?

Not at this time. I doubt this set would need that type of modification.

Originally posted by brt3
rcohen,

On my set there's no way it's digital compression. Instead of a "blocky" look I'm seeing vertical banding that's composed of static-like noise. They are evenly spaced across the width of the screen; I'd guess you have something like 1/2 inch of a noise band, then 1/2 inch where the screen is clear, then 1/2 inch of a noise band -- all the way across the screeen. Is this what you saw on your Qualia?

brt3 - how about a digital photo of what you are seeing?


rcohen - very glad to hear that Sony fixed your problem. Did your repair guys have to order the part from Sony? How long did it take from first report of the problem to the repair?

Penton - hope you're back. Glad to see your posts. Blue ghosts? Sounds kind or eerie... glad I haven't seen them...

Originally posted by nhey
brt3 - how about a digital photo of what you are seeing?

Penton - hope you're back. Glad to see your posts. Blue ghosts? Sounds kind or eerie... glad I haven't seen them...

nhey,

I will try to see if I can capture this in a screen shot. I'm not sure it will translate well into a photograph; while it is evident once you know what to look for it's not "jump right out" obvious. As I mentioned before I've been really busy as of late and have not had the time or patience to play with different sources to see if the artifact exists outside the Comcast realm...

Public Service Announcement for Penton-Man:
"AS*HOLES -- Everybody has at least one!"

Colortv -- if you're lurking out there -- we tried to get to Death Valley; it seems like you spread the word pretty well, as there were no hotel rooms in the entire area for any of the times we could go. You should post some of those photos on your website, or sell a DVD on this thread once you figure out a way to interface the Sony HDV-cam with the JVC D-VHS...

People, it's a beautiful day and life is short. Let's enjoy each other's company while we can, and if someone is truly behaving like a jerk just ignore them and let them evaporate.

BTW, I'm not trying to start a "my wife is better than yours" p*ssing contest, but my wife thinks we should get a second Qualia to replace our other set! She also loves being a passenger on my motorcycle and wants to get a bike for herself. As Oprah would say, "You go girl!". In this case I feel I deserve it, since wife #1 made the Glenn Close character in "Fatal Attraction" look like a really nice gal...

Originally posted by kanebear
...
Someone tell me I'm wrong and the Denon sounds just as good so I can go buy the thing. :)


the Denon sounds just as good...OK, now you can go buy the thing...





btw, what's an MC-12B?

Originally posted by Ted99
Back to the SA 8300 box and the Q 006. I confirmed by experimentation that "pass thru" is not available when using the HDMI connrction to the Q 006, but is when using the component connections. My SA 8300 Box (TW SARA software) says it is outputting 1080i, regardless of the source material when I am connected by HDMI.

I think maybe something isn't set up correctly on your 8300 box since I can choose pass-through out of my HDMI port; granted I'm not yet connected to the Q006 but that shouldn't make a difference.


I apologize in advance if you know all this but I'm just trying to help:
Have you gone through the set up of the 8300HD box and selected all the outputs; with the tv on and the 8300 off, press guid and info buttons, select advanced setup and follow on screen prompts. add all the formats that you can display on the Q006 (you can remove some afterwards).

when you are done, press power to start the 8300. press the settings button twice, the first settings screen simply allows you to select picture size (normal, stretch, zoom1 and zoom2). on the second settings screen (full window) scroll up to "picture format" and press select or the right arrow button, you should be presented with the options (upconvert1, upconvert2, auto dvi/hdmi and fixed).

if that doesn't work or you've done all this already, i suggest rebooting the 8300 (pull the plug...i forget the front panel key combination for rebooting) and go through the advanced set up again.

if that doesn't work, try pressing the select button on the front panel until you see the envelope icon in the panel, then proceed to press the vol- button, now you can press either vol-, vol+, ch- or ch+ to force a mode. that may "unstick" the 8300.

i've been trying to avoid commenting on the dispute currently on-going, but i wanted to say one thing...someone here has already alluded to this but let me state it explicitly as I myself see it, i find this thread to be my support group...i need one for spending this kind of money on a tv :D

maybe those interested in having a technical thread can start a technical only thread??


[EDIT: BTW, there is always IRC; someone can pick a network and start a Qualia channel.]

Please note the time and date.

Zechman is now a Qualia 006 owner.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress.

:D :D :D :D :D :D

--Dwayne

Now where the hell did that truck go? It was just here a minute ago . . . .

Originally posted by Zechman
Please note the time and date. Zechman is now a Qualia 006 owner.

Way to go, Zechman, way to go! Let the Qualiathon begin -- enjoy, bruddah!

I am only going to hook up the Q's digital audio output to use the ATSC Tuner. As far as I know, DTS is not transmitted yet. Therefore, I will use HDMI for the DVD with the audio from the DVD to the Proc. that way DTS happens. :D


Originally posted by JimP
Is the audio necessarily dolby 5.1 or is it simply digital which would encompass DTS and the 7.1 variations?

Somewhat OT...

While waiting for the Q (next week...film at 11) we used our small 5.1 system to watch an INHD 5.1 show. Well, we have a VERY old sub and it died.

Anyone have any good suggestions for an OK sub for less than $200 that is NOT Black? I did find an OK Yamaha 8", but it is black and has a bad WAF. Hey, she wanted the Q006, so the least I can do is get a sub that looks good. :D

The one that the Q will use is black, but is in the Big Theater room so is OK.

OK, that is all for now. I guess it is too soon for the countdown. Q is in stock and I already saw our sealed box and have our s/n.

OK. I did it. took the plunge. i just received my 006 saturday from sound advice in south florida. (only 2 wk wait) my previous set was the 60" xbr 950 (Calibrated and ZERO dead/stuck pixels). I would like to share my opinions of them. i did start a thread about seeing "dead pixels" on a 006 unit i saw at an audio advisor store. i now believe they (all 5 of them) were dust on the lens or somewhere in the light path being they were of different sizes. That was my main concern with the 006. Would i receive a set with the same issue?. much to my relief, my unit has only one small dust particle viewable from 1-2 feet only. i'm ok with that. Whew! what a relief that was. Here is was i see as the strengths and weaknesses of each set.

Qualia.
Superb Film Like imaging. XBR..more snap to picture. more of a" You are there" sense.. some HD content i liked better on my xbr. with DVD's its no contest. the qualia smokes the xbr. (using a pioneer 59 avi HDMI Dvd player)

Qualia.
great blacks with some crush noted. (pro mode,warm,cinema pro)
XBR.. Ok blacks (especially after calibration) no sense of crush at all .
I feel the qualia would benefit from a calibration although not too shabby as is.

Qualia.
viewing angle..outstanding.
XBR..very good. Qualia really excels at vertical angles.

Qualia.
geometric distortion...i give this one a tie. they both have very straight lines.

Qualia.
Color Space...Hmmm..the jury is still out on this. The Xbr improved immensely after calibration. I'll have to look at LOTR again as i've seen this a 100 times on my Xbr.

Qualia
Contrast ratio.....next... no contest. not as important as one might think though

Qualia
random noise. Being that i am using the richard gray power company 400s, random noise is not much of an issue with either set. SOOO much better than DLP. the richard gray power co. is the best investment i've made for my system (audio and video) immediate difference in picture. cleaner, tighter blacks along with much less noise in picture.

Well that pretty much is it. I've already put 30 hours on this thing to evaluate it over past few days. VERY SAtisfied overall.

I did think i would be more wowed by the shear size of the screen vs. the 60" but it turns out i'm not. it's size is more impressive when its turned off.

Question. does turning on direct mode enable scaler from dvd since the qualia's cinemotion options are defeated when direct mode is on.

thanx

hifi59

Great review. Mucho thanko.

Regarding blacks. You say that you see some crush in pro mode with the 006. How did you calibrate brightness??

Originally posted by hifi59
OK. I did it. took the plunge. i just received my 006 saturday from sound advice in south florida. (only 2 wk wait) my previous set was the 60" xbr 950 (Calibrated and ZERO dead/stuck pixels). I would like to share my opinions of them. i did start a thread about seeing "dead pixels" on a 006 unit i saw at an audio advisor store. i now believe they (all 5 of them) were dust on the lens or somewhere in the light path being they were of different sizes. That was my main concern with the 006. Would i receive a set with the same issue?. much to my relief, my unit has only one small dust particle viewable from 1-2 feet only. i'm ok with that. Whew! what a relief that was. Here is was i see as the strengths and weaknesses of each set.

Qualia.
Superb Film Like imaging. XBR..more snap to picture. more of a" You are there" sense.. some HD content i liked better on my xbr. with DVD's its no contest. the qualia smokes the xbr. (using a pioneer 59 avi HDMI Dvd player)

Qualia.
great blacks with some crush noted. (pro mode,warm,cinema pro)
XBR.. Ok blacks (especially after calibration) no sense of crush at all .
I feel the qualia would benefit from a calibration although not too shabby as is.

Qualia.
viewing angle..outstanding.
XBR..very good. Qualia really excels at vertical angles.

Qualia.
geometric distortion...i give this one a tie. they both have very straight lines.

Qualia.
Color Space...Hmmm..the jury is still out on this. The Xbr improved immensely after calibration. I'll have to look at LOTR again as i've seen this a 100 times on my Xbr.

Qualia
Contrast ratio.....next... no contest. not as important as one might think though

Qualia
random noise. Being that i am using the richard gray power company 400s, random noise is not much of an issue with either set. SOOO much better than DLP. the richard gray power co. is the best investment i've made for my system (audio and video) immediate difference in picture. cleaner, tighter blacks along with much less noise in picture.

Well that pretty much is it. I've already put 30 hours on this thing to evaluate it over past few days. VERY SAtisfied overall.

I did think i would be more wowed by the shear size of the screen vs. the 60" but it turns out i'm not. it's size is more impressive when its turned off.

Question. does turning on direct mode enable scaler from dvd since the qualia's cinemotion options are defeated when direct mode is on.

thanx


Very helpful, as I too have a one year old 950XBR.

But I've not had it calibrated, so I'm going to.

Thanks

HiFi59 -

Nice review. I find it a little surprising that you consider your Sony XBR CRT as good as you do when compared to the 006. I had a Pioneer Elite 730HD, calibrated, and see a clearly more detailed and overall much better picture with the Qualia. I'd say its without question no contest. Also, with the Qualia I can watch SD with side bars and not worry about burn in. No stretch modes needed here. The Sony XBR may be a great set, haven't really seen it in a home environment.

What's your HD source? Cable or satellite? For me, Comcast cable is clearly better than D*.

I think folks tend to appreciate the Qualia the more they view it, and it'll be interesting to see if you find that also. Enjoy the set.

Originally posted by BenDover
the Denon sounds just as good...OK, now you can go buy the thing...





btw, what's an MC-12B?

The balanced version of this (http://ultimateavmag.com/surroundsoundpreampprocessors/36/) with an update (http://ultimateavmag.com/surroundsoundpreampprocessors/205lexicon/) to do auto low frequency room-EQ.