Originally posted by kaduku
Somebody asked how the PQ of the Masters at Augusta was on the Q006. I have been busy during the week and decided just to watch the final round today. CBS has done an excellent job on the HD broadcast. It's just a dream to watch it on the Q006. Looks like it's gonna be number four for Tiger :D

Hey Kaduku -- whassup?

To my eyeballs the Masters coverage looks kinda mixed. They just had a closeup of Tiger in that red shirt where the background was all green but blurred. Spectacular! But when they go to long shots it looks a bit fuzzy to me. Frankly, I think FOX (god forbid -- those holdouts) is doing a better job broadcasting NASCAR. Now, if I can just get someone to give us Formula One in high-def, my Sundays would be complete...

Originally posted by mpsan
I will have to try the 480i and 1080i on my 975 and see how they compare...but no Q006 'til Wednesday!

I want to do more of this comparison as well. It is very difficult to say one thing will be better for all people in all situations. I'm interested in playing with umr's settings to see what works better in my setup. We ended up similarly on some things, yet very far away on others (sharpness, for example). What I really need is a week (or so) to get caught up on all my projects. Let's see, still transitioning from DirecTV to Comcast (gotta pull the DTV boxes from all the equipment cabinets). Whole-house gigabit Ethernet project 80% complete, with Terabyte network attached storage for music streamed whole-house over Sonos system. Oh yeah, and that pesky IRS thing. If I really develop my Q006 site, begin taking advertising, and turn it into a "business" -- can I deduct my electronic addictions as legitimate business expenses???

:D

Originally posted by brt3
I don't think he meant you're dumb -- I think he may be referring to the idea of how ridiculous it would be for us elitist audio/videophiles to have an unused input or CableCard slot -- the horror, the horror...

Yes, YES.. of course. Any one who is even in this forum is automatically elevated to the unofficial title of NASA Rocket Scientist. Nobody here is dumb!! But we still can do dumb things... me included. Ask you wife...
You're a MAN, by Natural Law, you do dumb things. Only women are perfect... ask them, they'll tell you.

If there is a way to use an input or output of quality USE IT!!
Personally, the Qualia should have had 4 HDMI inputs. I already have
a Geffin 4 X 1 HDMI Switcher.

To have a Sony DDR500 Hi-Def Digital recorder and not use the cable slot, would be a dumb thing to do. I would automatically assume that ANY individual, me included who purchases this new, UNTESTED gear would do several things:
1) Make sure the specs are what they should be. Mr. Dealer... prove it!

2) Use every available input you could. And BTW the spec says that if you use HDMI, the Component's are disabled, and visa-versa.

3) Understand how HOLLYWOOD, and the Manufacturers are laying out the copy protection of this unit. I personally use these devices to time-shift. I could care less about burning to a DVD from a box. I'll just buy the DVD if I want to library it.

No offense to anyone!!

-editor

High-Def HOT MAMMA Qualia Alert !

Tonight playing on CBS is Ashley Judd (arguably the best legs in Hollyweird- too bad you don’t see much of em in this movie) in High Crimes.

Holiday shopping in San Francisco will bring back good memories to me though.

Originally posted by brt3
can I deduct my electronic addictions as legitimate business expenses???
:D
But of course.
Just be prepared for the audit given your elitist tax bracket.:D

Originally posted by mpsan
HUH? I do not know what you mean by dumb. I have two TV's with CableCard slots and get In-the-clear HD just fine...without a CC... like INHD and INHD2.

NOoooo. Read my other post, you not dumb!! Answer me this though,
You get INHD without a Cable card? is that correct? Because I haven't tried that. Cablevision doesn't give us INHD 2.. they SUX, or the Yankees in HD.

My other point is, why would you have an HD DVR and NOT use the cableslot. I have the C-Card for the TV, and a Box for On Demand. The box has an HD DVR in it. So I would get the DVR and a Second C-Card to have the use of 2 HD-DVR's, and the ability to tune with the c_Card in the Qualia.

So here's the set-up.
Qualia (1) C-Card
Sony DVR (1) C-Card
Sci- Atlanta HD Cable Box with built-in DVR


Editor

I feel your lack of time! Work keeps getting in the way!

I may just do a quick compare, if I can on Avia.

I have Gigabit but no fast switches, so never run it. I wonder what to set the 975 to when it first powers up. I decided to open the box after lunch and at least make sure the fw is 1.9.

P.S. Why can't INHD have a correct schedule online! Do you think Comcast changes it?

ie: they, at one time showed The Who concert was going on at 15:30 today. Now it is TBA!

Originally posted by brt3
I want to do more of this comparison as well. It is very difficult to say one thing will be better for all people in all situations. I'm interested in playing with umr's settings to see what works better in my setup. We ended up similarly on some things, yet very far away on others (sharpness, for example). What I really need is a week (or so) to get caught up on all my projects. Let's see, still transitioning from DirecTV to Comcast (gotta pull the DTV boxes from all the equipment cabinets). Whole-house gigabit Ethernet project 80% complete, with Terabyte network attached storage for music streamed whole-house over Sonos system. Oh yeah, and that pesky IRS thing. If I really develop my Q006 site, begin taking advertising, and turn it into a "business" -- can I deduct my electronic addictions as legitimate business expenses???

:D

No problem. I have a thick skin...remember I went to U of H, too!

I wondered about the copy flag as well. I agree, if I want a Movie I will buy it!

Originally posted by editor58
Yes, YES.. of course. Any one who is even in this forum is automatically elevated to the unofficial title of NASA Rocket Scientist. Nobody here is dumb!! But we still can do dumb things... me included. Ask you wife...
You're a MAN, by Natural Law, you do dumb things. Only women are perfect... ask them, they'll tell you.

If there is a way to use an input or output of quality USE IT!!
Personally, the Qualia should have had 4 HDMI inputs. I already have
a Geffin 4 X 1 HDMI Switcher.

To have a Sony DDR500 Hi-Def Digital recorder and not use the cable slot, would be a dumb thing to do. I would automatically assume that ANY individual, me included who purchases this new, UNTESTED gear would do several things:
1) Make sure the specs are what they should be. Mr. Dealer... prove it!

2) Use every available input you could. And BTW the spec says that if you use HDMI, the Component's are disabled, and visa-versa.

3) Understand how HOLLYWOOD, and the Manufacturers are laying out the copy protection of this unit. I personally use these devices to time-shift. I could care less about burning to a DVD from a box. I'll just buy the DVD if I want to library it.

No offense to anyone!!

-editor

Originally posted by brt3
Hey Kaduku -- whassup?

To my eyeballs the Masters coverage looks kinda mixed. They just had a closeup of Tiger in that red shirt where the background was all green but blurred. Spectacular! But when they go to long shots it looks a bit fuzzy to me. Frankly, I think FOX (god forbid -- those holdouts) is doing a better job broadcasting NASCAR. Now, if I can just get someone to give us Formula One in high-def, my Sundays would be complete...

I am beginning to see this too. The footages of the golf course like the ones they show before a commercial are spectacular. The greenery and landscape is beautiful, and yes, some of the actual play are mediocre, so I do see what you mean. I agree, that NASCAR looks great.

You know, I have two sets now with ATSC and CC slots. I have Expanded basic. In 4 weeks we will have bought 3 sets...42, 55, 70!!! Lots of PM paper!

So, every Comcast Person I call gives us a different price. When we got the first set, we hooked it to the cable and did a scan. We get all the HD stations except Discovery HD. I had been told that INHD was NOT "In-the-clear" but it is here. :D

So, for a bit I do NOT have digital cable and the CC would do me no good!


Originally posted by editor58
NOoooo. Read my other post, you not dumb!! Answer me this though,
You get INHD without a Cable card? is that correct? Because I haven't tried that. Cablevision doesn't give us INHD 2.. they SUX, or the Yankees in HD.

My other point is, why would you have an HD DVR and NOT use the cableslot. I have the C-Card for the TV, and a Box for On Demand. The box has an HD DVR in it. So I would get the DVR and a Second C-Card to have the use of 2 HD-DVR's, and the ability to tune with the c_Card in the Qualia.

So here's the set-up.
Qualia (1) C-Card
Sony DVR (1) C-Card
Sci- Atlanta HD Cable Box with built-in DVR


Editor

if the hd dvr is connected to the qualia and only the qualia has the cc in it, does the qualia set actually have to fire up to record??

Originally posted by BenDover
if the hd dvr is connected to the qualia and only the qualia has the cc in it, does the qualia set actually have to fire up to record??
BenDover Eileen - check your PM in a few minutes.

hmmm, according to josh, sony is expecting qualias in country this coming week. maybe my unit is in this bunch...:D

BenDover-
PM responded to.
I'm still not entirely convinced that they are not one in the same.

i get a notice window pop up on my screen when there is a new pm...maybe it is some setting somewhere...

One thing about having a display as good s the 006 you will be able to differentiate on live video the quality of the cameras (actually) lenses being used. Not all are equal. Further, you will be able to see, just as in film and digital photography, the effect of opening up lenses to get in more light does to depth of field. This is also apparent when watching film on your sets. Take a shot shot in a studio with all those bright light. the lens is stopped down and you see background detail in focus. Take a shot outdoors when the light isn't too bright. The camera man opens up the lens so you can see the detail on what he/she is aiming the camera at but the background will be out of focus.

Originally posted by mark haflich
One thing about having a display as good s the 006 you will be able to differentiate on live video the quality of the cameras (actually) lenses being used. Not all are equal. Further, you will be able to see, just as in film and digital photography, the effect of opening up lenses to get in more light does to depth of field. This is also apparent when watching film on your sets. Take a shot shot in a studio with all those bright light. the lens is stopped down and you see background detail in focus. Take a shot outdoors when the light isn't too bright. The camera man opens up the lens so you can see the detail on what he/she is aiming the camera at but the background will be out of focus.

so you've gotten your set? that was fast...congrats. editor is getting his on monday...sirjay is getting his stand...damn, i want my tv.:(

Originally posted by BenDover
if the hd dvr is connected to the qualia and only the qualia has the cc in it, does the qualia set actually have to fire up to record??

'Actually, you're gonna have 2 CC's

One in the 006, and One in the DVR, and NO the Qualia can be off assuming you have scheduled recording coming down the pipe.

You'd leave the DVR on ALWAYS.

-Editor

anyone want to comment on the prices being paid for the 006 these days?? I know that we cant give actual prices on here, but maybe we can say I got mine 2 grand under retail( we all know what retail is). I am not trying to hurt the first 006 owners either, after all they have been enjoying their 006s for some time now, just wondering it theres been any major price drops recently??

I will not give a price, but what has always worked for me is to just see the set (or whatever you want to buy) and just "negotiate". They always say that Sony will not let them sell for less than MSRP and I reply that they can not put an ad in the paper for less than MSRP but if they want to sell it for $50 it is their business.

P.S. Mine is going to be delivered Wednesday, and I did have to pay a little more than $50. :D


Originally posted by pepco
anyone want to comment on the prices being paid for the 006 these days?? I know that we cant give actual prices on here, but maybe we can say I got mine 2 grand under retail( we all know what retail is). I am not trying to hurt the first 006 owners either, after all they have been enjoying their 006s for some time now, just wondering it theres been any major price drops recently??

Originally posted by mark haflich
One thing about having a display as good s the 006 you will be able to differentiate on live video the quality of the cameras (actually) lenses being used. Not all are equal. Further, you will be able to see, just as in film and digital photography, the effect of opening up lenses to get in more light does to depth of field. This is also apparent when watching film on your sets. Take a shot shot in a studio with all those bright light. the lens is stopped down and you see background detail in focus. Take a shot outdoors when the light isn't too bright. The camera man opens up the lens so you can see the detail on what he/she is aiming the camera at but the background will be out of focus.

Mark- I want to elaborate on this a little. Lenses and Depth of field will only marginally effect HD pictures. This is based upon the fact as to if a lens is HD Rated. That being equal my above statement holds true. Our Fujinon HD lens is over $24 THOUSAND bucks. Whether I'm wide open or stopped down my quality does not change. What changes is what I as a D.P. want you to be able to see. I am controlling your focal plane.

Now let's look at the Master's on CBS. CBS is broadcasting in HD. All of the TOWER cameras are HD. Most of the replay machines are HD, some are NOT. All of the Cameras on the course are set to 16:9 Aspect ratio. The fact that they are set to 16:9 does NOT mean they are HD, but they are format correct. So, ALL of us have noticed that some of the shots were a little fuzzier that others. Here's the dirty little secret-
16:9 SD cameras are up-converted and look... well, not as sharp
16:9 HD cameras on the Towers have the Big Ass HD lenses, and look great.
Replay -Playback depends upon the source of the shot as stated above. If it was SD, you'll get the side-bars, if it was HD you get 16:9 HD in Replay.

This is how CBS can cover a HUGE camera HOG event, (golf) and not have to fork out a friggin' fortune in HD gear. Think about the cost to cover 18 holes... It's staggering. NASCAR, and Football have fixed cameras, and not 18 of them, at a minimum. "In-Car" Cameras are not HD and I actually like the grittyness of the shot. So everything is relative.

I hope this clears up some of the questions that have been bouncing around since Thursday.

-EDITOR

Originally posted by editor58
Mark- I want to elaborate on this a little. Lenses and Depth of field will only marginally effect HD pictures. This is based upon the fact as to if a lens is HD Rated. That being equal my above statement holds true. Our Fujinon HD lens is over $24 THOUSAND bucks. Whether I'm wide open or stopped down my quality does not change. What changes is what I as a D.P. want you to be able to see. I am controlling your focal plane.

Now let's look at the Master's on CBS. CBS is broadcasting in HD. All of the TOWER cameras are HD. Most of the replay machines are HD, some are NOT. All of the Cameras on the course are set to 16:9 Aspect ratio. The fact that they are set to 16:9 does NOT mean they are HD, but they are format correct. So, ALL of us have noticed that some of the shots were a little fuzzier that others. Here's the dirty little secret-
16:9 SD cameras are up-converted and look... well, not as sharp
16:9 HD cameras on the Towers have the Big Ass HD lenses, and look great.
Replay -Playback depends upon the source of the shot as stated above. If it was SD, you'll get the side-bars, if it was HD you get 16:9 HD in Replay.

This is how CBS can cover a HUGE camera HOG event, (golf) and not have to fork out a friggin' fortune in HD gear. Think about the cost to cover 18 holes... It's staggering. NASCAR, and Football have fixed cameras, and not 18 of them, at a minimum. "In-Car" Cameras are not HD and I actually like the grittyness of the shot. So everything is relative.

I hope this clears up some of the questions that have been bouncing around since Thursday.

-EDITOR Editor , you know your stuff, I was thinking that not all the cameras being used were true hd cameras, same holds true for the NFL games. I guess the networks need to invest to be the best when it comes to live events.
ps dont they make enough money to have all true hd cameras?? how much are those things??

Originally posted by pepco
Editor , you know your stuff, I was thinking that not all the cameras being used were true hd cameras, same holds true for the NFL games. I guess the networks need to invest to be the best when it comes to live events.
ps dont they make enough money to have all true hd cameras?? how much are those things??

Typical cost for a Triax Camera, and remember, you're not counting the CCU (Camera Control Unit), tripod, and the $135k /yr engineer who knows how to set it up... (I do), and I'm available, Shooter Director, Engineer, or Microwave Transmission Services. Certified FCC. Lunch MUST be included!

Camera Head Ikegami or Sony about $150K
Canon or Fujinon Broadcast Lens about $100K

Cost to cable a Golf Course... Priceless!

-ED-it OR

Originally posted by editor58
and I'm available, Shooter Director, Engineer, or Microwave Transmission Services.
-ED-it OR
Does the dog come with those services?
What's his/her name ?

Max, and no he's in the office & keeps the books!
Occasionally, he does a Storyboard or two, or a short scene.
I'm either on Location, in-studio, or in the Edit suite.
We don't don weddings, Bar Mitzvah's, or sweet 16's
Broadcast OR, Broadcast, you choose!

-editor

BenDover. It will be some time yet before I get a set for my home. My customers will get their sets before I get mine. My observations are based on my store's demo set.

I watched today's Master's in HD straight out of my HD sat receiver box native on my 9inch FPJ. I do not yet have a video processor which will deinterlace 1080i or upscale 720p to 1080p, although my FPJ is quite capable of displaying 1080p or for that matter 1200p. There are processors out here now with the necessary capabilities but they do so using bob/weave. Too many artifacts on video to make that acceptable to me. OK for film though. I am awaiting a motion adaptive level unit using the Realta chip or something better. I won't spend the $3K to upgrade my rock Pro to HD deinterlacing and scaling.

When I get my 006, it will not be for serious viewing. MY HT 54 x 96 9inch FPJ CRT will remain what I watch for movies and those big sporting events I love so much.

Sorry for the OT but I can't resist.

Did anyone watch/record tonight's Arrested Development? At the 24 minute mark this kid George Micheal (I think that's his name) is talking to his cousin (both are early teens) and he says to her something like "You are like this flower that is blossoming and I'd hate to see you get *#&%$@
like this..."

I realize that the script called for "plucked" but after listening to it 5 or so times (including literally holding my ear to the center channel) the "f" sound seemed quite clear. Actor facing away so no lip reading.

Editor58/Color... - what say you? Assuming I am not losing it - how could this get through?

I am in favor of profanity as a valid form of human expression. I especially love it when it catches you by surprice.

Sorry again for the OT!

Originally posted by editor58
Max,

Age ?

Adopted or bought ?

Editor,

More importantly, has Max been properly trained to conduct a complete calibration? What does he like better - component or HDMI?

Just wondering

Originally posted by Penton-Man
High-Def HOT MAMMA Qualia Alert !

Tonight playing on CBS is Ashley Judd (arguably the best legs in Hollyweird- too bad you don’t see much of em in this movie) in High Crimes.

As a sidebar "brt",
Last I heard ......she is happily married to a competitive F1 driver.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
As a sidebar "brt",
Last I heard ......she is happily married to a competitive F1 driver.:D

...happily married to a former CART, current IRL driver... who once had aspirations for F1 (pre-Ashley) because his fellow Scot, Sir Jackie Stewart, was his boyhood idol...

The guy who runs one of our divisions is married to Ashley's aunt. He has obviously spent much time around her - says she is extremely normal and fun.
Some nice stories but none I would recount. :(

Originally posted by RonB63
Sorry for the OT but I can't resist.

Did anyone watch/record tonight's Arrested Development? At the 24 minute mark this kid George Micheal (I think that's his name) is talking to his cousin (both are early teens) and he says to her something like "You are like this flower that is blossoming and I'd hate to see you get *#&%$@
like this..."

I realize that the script called for "plucked" but after listening to it 5 or so times (including literally holding my ear to the center channel) the "f" sound seemed quite clear. Actor facing away so no lip reading.

Editor58/Color... - what say you? Assuming I am not losing it - how could this get through?

I am in favor of profanity as a valid form of human expression. I especially love it when it catches you by surprice.

Sorry again for the OT!

It's Ron Howard's show, I Have it on the DVR, I'll listen and get back to you but I doubt it was an F.

Editor
4 Hours and Counting to 006

Originally posted by BenDover
Hate to beat a dead horse, but I hate letting a dead horse beat me...other than rebooting the 8300, I would try to unplug the hdmi cable, unplug the 8300 for a minute or so, plug the 8300 back into the AC outlet but don't power it up, with the tv off, plug the hdmi cable into the 8300 from the tv, power up the tv, go through the advanced setup with the 8300 again, then power the 8300 up at the conclusion of the setup.

Maybe if the 8300 "rediscovers" the TV it will work correctly...

[EDIT: On the off chance it is just this simple, it won't actually say "pass-through" in the general settings area but instead say "auto dvi/hdmi"

from the sa8300hd user's guide:

"If your HDTV uses a DVI or HDMI port, Auto DVI/HDMI appears here instead of Pass-Through." Users Guide, p. 10.]

It worked! After UMR's review of my Q 006, I had a chance to give the SA 8300 and Q 006 an opportunity to get reacquainted and the "auto dvi/hdmi" option magically appeared. It now passes through the native resolution to the TV. UMR found that the Q006 does a good job scaling 480i over HDMI (better than 480p) and my eyeball really likes it. It's not HD, but it's the best SD I've seen on this set. I have had one instance in which the picture flashed on and off, which was solved by cycling the SA 8300HD off and on--evidently an HDCP handshake problem. Thanks again.

Originally posted by Ted99
It worked! After UMR's review of my Q 006, I had a chance to give the SA 8300 and Q 006 an opportunity to get reacquainted and the "auto dvi/hdmi" option magically appeared. It now passes through the native resolution to the TV. UMR found that the Q006 does a good job scaling 480i over HDMI (better than 480p) and my eyeball really likes it. It's not HD, but it's the best SD I've seen on this set. I have had one instance in which the picture flashed on and off, which was solved by cycling the SA 8300HD off and on--evidently an HDCP handshake problem. Thanks again.

great news...so that dead horse didn't beat us :D

Originally posted by Joel
Archangel, the 006 does not accept a 1080p input. Many have tried, none have succeeded, even from a PC. Only 1080i. A future firmware upgrade is possible.

however, the internal electronics do an excellent job of deinterlacing 1080i.

Cheers
Is this still/really true that the 006 will not do 1920*1080p@ 60Hz?
Sony boats that it does. Does it do 1:1 pixel mapping?

Can the 006 be used as a computer display too?

Thanks!

I do hate to double post, but have this on the DVD thread for the 975 with no answer. I know people here have the 975 and some highend procs so you will know what I am talking about. We are, of course, eliteists and part of a cult!

TIA...Q due 15:30 Wednesday, and this is going in that room. :D

Hello ALL:
I just hooked up my new 975 today...s/n2023xxx and it IS 1.9.

I have a question, however. I have a very good Proc and will be feeding it digital audio...both DD and DTS. This proc had me set so many settings and is "dialed in". Is there any way I can tell the 975 to leave me alone when it comes to speaker settings and room size, etc? I just want to pass the DD and DTS to the proc and have the Sony not change a thing.

TIA

Am thinking of connecting my Comcast 6412 to the 006 via iLink to see if I can see any difference as compared to HDMI (doubt it, but am willing to try).

Can someone remind me as to the type of iLink cable (pin numbers) to get? 4 pin to 2 pin or something like that?

For those planning on an interim DVD player solution until Blu-ray comes out from Sony…….its debut will most likely be delayed.

Instead of Dec. 2005, it’s looking more like the first week in March.

Originally posted by nhey
Am thinking of connecting my Comcast 6412 to the 006 via iLink to see if I can see any difference as compared to HDMI (doubt it, but am willing to try).

Can someone remind me as to the type of iLink cable (pin numbers) to get? 4 pin to 2 pin or something like that?

4 pin worked on the Qualia.

Originally posted by mpsan
I do hate to double post, but have this on the DVD thread for the 975 with no answer. I know people here have the 975 and some highend procs so you will know what I am talking about. We are, of course, eliteists and part of a cult!

TIA...Q due 15:30 Wednesday, and this is going in that room. :D

Hello ALL:
I just hooked up my new 975 today...s/n2023xxx and it IS 1.9.

I have a question, however. I have a very good Proc and will be feeding it digital audio...both DD and DTS. This proc had me set so many settings and is "dialed in". Is there any way I can tell the 975 to leave me alone when it comes to speaker settings and room size, etc? I just want to pass the DD and DTS to the proc and have the Sony not change a thing.

TIA

I don't have the 975, but just from basics, if you are connecting the audio out from the dvd player to your audio processor, it should be passing the untouched/original audio signal. any processing that the dvd player might do would only be applied to its analog multi-channel outputs; or is there something about the 975 that it behaves differently from other audio devices?

Originally posted by BenDover
I don't have the 975, but just from basics, if you are connecting the audio out from the dvd player to your audio processor, it should be passing the untouched/original audio signal. any processing that the dvd player might do would only be applied to its analog multi-channel outputs; or is there something about the 975 that it behaves differently from other audio devices?

Agreed... I have the 975. I haven't really played with it that much, and have it going Optical Out to my Fosgate FAP. From there It passes DD 5.1 or DTS and the Fosgate just decodes it. Everything I have is dialed in and there's nothing more to do... rather mindless for me..

Oh and THE 006 is HERE- HOLY $HIT!!

Editor

Reincarnate -- the 006 will not accept a 60-Hz 1080p input. The Sony 004 front projector will accept a 1080p24sf input, and for $3k you can get a hardware/firmware upgrade to get it to 1080p60. An upgrade for the 006 is possible but since it is positioned and marketed as a TV and not a monitor I wouldn't hold my breath (no TV-related content is going to be at 1080p for a long time -- the forthcoming HD DVD and BluRay players will output 1080i).

Some LCD panels will accept 1080p60 but very few integrated televisions will.

I don't have my 006 yet and will not be using it as a monitor when I do get it, so I am not the best one to ask, but I recall a few posts in the last 20 pp or so of this thread regarding a connection to the 006 as a monitor, and I am not sure there is a driver out there yet for it.

Good luck and cheers

Originally posted by editor58
Agreed... I have the 975. I haven't really played with it that much, and have it going Optical Out to my Fosgate FAP. From there It passes DD 5.1 or DTS and the Fosgate just decodes it. Everything I have is dialed in and there's nothing more to do... rather mindless for me..

Oh and THE 006 is HERE- HOLY $HIT!!

Editor

Congrats and best of luck.

I'm sure I speak for many others when I say I look forward to your critical review of the Q006's performance given your profession and critically demanding eye.

Is anyone on the thread planning on attending the HE2005 in NYC?

HE2005 (http://www.he2005.com/)

I've been chatting with Michel Poirer of Algolith; they are working hard to have a Dragonfly at the show. I already know the pros and cons of adding this to the Qualia, but would love to hear how this combo looks (even in the "loaded" environment of a show).

The pity is my travel schedule really needs realignment. I'm leaving for NYC on Wednesday; a week earlier and I could've caught the New York Auto Show; two weeks later and I could catch the HE show...

:rolleyes:

I am going to try my hardest to attend as I work in NYC; that allowed me to catch the auto show as well :)

So am I to understand that they will have a Dragonfly at the show hooked up to a Q 006?

Originally posted by Joel
Reincarnate -- the 006 will not accept a 60-Hz 1080p input. The Sony 004 front projector will accept a 1080p24sf input, and for $3k you can get a hardware/firmware upgrade to get it to 1080p60. An upgrade for the 006 is possible but since it is positioned and marketed as a TV and not a monitor I wouldn't hold my breath (no TV-related content is going to be at 1080p for a long time -- the forthcoming HD DVD and BluRay players will output 1080i).

Some LCD panels will accept 1080p60 but very few integrated televisions will.

According to this (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-5798551-1.html) article, Blu-Ray players will out-put 1080p! And if BD players out-put that signal, it makes absolutely no sense at all that the Q6 would not be able to display it! Maybe we need to re-evaluate our information and take a new look at this whole situation. Additional confirmation would be nice! I submit that we have insufficent data to form a reliable conclusion at this point. Let's not start taking speculation and assumption as fact. We've got to keep our eyes open and our ears to the ground until the OEMs dole the next bit of information to us.

The waiting is the hardest part! :(

Originally posted by BenDover
So am I to understand that they will have a Dragonfly at the show hooked up to a Q 006?

Wouldn't that be handy? I don't know what Algolith use for a display device, but I'm guessing it's not a Q006. Still, I'm really interested in seeing what the full implementation of the Realta HQV chip (the Denon 5910 only partially uses the chip's capabilities) in an external processor can do. Should also be interesting to see how much difference there is between a Dragonfly alone and a Dragonfly/Mosquito combo...

We Qualia owners are a perverse lot, no? Just can't leave well enough alone -- which, of course, is why I went out on a limb and spent $13K for something sight unseen in the first place...

:D

Originally posted by BenDover
I am going to try my hardest to attend as I work in NYC; that allowed me to catch the auto show as well :)

So am I to understand that they will have a Dragonfly at the show hooked up to a Q 006?

Ben, I'm in NY , wanna Hook UP??

PM me.
-Editor

The set is here The set is here... Hi Ho the Merry-O- The 006 is Here!!

Sing along if you know the words!!

The set is here The set is here... Hi Ho the Merry-O- The 006 is Here!!

Originally posted by ninthdragon
According to this (http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-6449_7-5798551-1.html) article, Blu-Ray players will out-put 1080p!

"I recently returned from Sony's 2005 line show in Las Vegas, where company reps were showing off the Qualia 006's capabilities in a special demonstration. As part of the demonstration, they played a scene from the Spider-Man 2 DVD (yes, it's a Sony Pictures flick--in case there was any doubt in your mind). They then brought in a ringer, firing up the high-def Blu-ray version of the same film using a $3,000 Japan-only Blu-ray player/recorder connected via FireWire (or, as Sony calls it, iLink). The set was fed a 1080i signal but upconverted it to 1080p. (Sony reps said future Blu-ray players would be capable of outputting a native 1080p signal.)"

That's a pretty big "if" and an even bigger "when". If Blu-Ray is delayed (many have suggested that the Xmas launch will now be pushed back to March or April) when might we see them improve the players to 1080P? I'm guessing we wouldn't have to worry about that for at least 3 years. Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your post and am thrilled that manufacturers have plans to produce a device that outputs 1080P. I just don't think it will happen much before the end of the decade -- but I hope I'm proven wrong!

Originally posted by nhey

Can someone remind me as to the type of iLink cable (pin numbers) to get? 4 pin to 2 pin or something like that?
I've got a Moto 6200 (High Def receiver, does not record) and it takes a four pin.....and as umr says the Qualia takes a 4 pin so........4x4 for my stuff -works off-road too.:)

Originally posted by brt3
[B(many have suggested that the Xmas launch will now be pushed back to March or April) [/B]
Well I'm saying March 6, that's my story and I'm sticking with it.:)

Errrr.....until I hear otherwise.:D

[QUOTE]Originally posted by brt3
(Sony reps said future Blu-ray players would be capable of outputting a native 1080p signal.)"
Yup, I think either the Sony reps in question or the writer of the article covered their behinds pretty well with that one word "future."

Originally posted by brt3
Is anyone on the thread planning on attending the HE2005 in NYC?

HE2005 (http://www.he2005.com/)

:rolleyes:

I will be there on Friday the 29th. I did not see Sony listed in the early dealer list but I am sure they will be there. My first Q viewing!

Ron

PM, you just confirm what SONY stands for...Soon, Only Not Yet! :D



Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well I'm saying March 6, that's my story and I'm sticking with it.:)

Errrr.....until I hear otherwise.:D S

Originally posted by Joel
Reincarnate -- the 006 will not accept a 60-Hz 1080p input. The Sony 004 front projector will accept a 1080p24sf input, and for $3k you can get a hardware/firmware upgrade to get it to 1080p60.
Good luck and cheers
Thanks for the excellent reply.
As for Sony, I'm disappointed as there is no technical reason why they cannot implement the true/native resolution of the 1920*1080 panels. Does it do 1:1 mapping even interlaced? Or do they still sneek in a D/A and A/D conversion?

I had read long ago that the 006 would cost $10K but that got changed to $13K. Now 3K more! Bulbs are $1k?... So this is just out of my league.

So happily JVC is will provide what I need this fall. LCOS without motion smearing (as last years models do) with 1080p inputs. They also will include the key Sony type of "inorganic alignment layer":

Quote:
"All 720p sets use the same 1280 x 720 pixels, 0.7-inch D-ILA device in a three-chip design; a vertically-oriented LCOS (liquid crystal on silicon) technology that adds an INORGANIC alignment layer that stabilizes device performance and maximizes chip production. The three-chip structure has the ability to - 2 - continuously reproduce a flicker- and burn-free picture. In addition, an invisible pixel structure ensures that there are no color or motion artifacts, and a true analog grey scale provides outstanding gradations of black.

Late in the years third quarter, JVC will ship the 56-inch HD-56FH96, 61-inch HD-61FH96 and 70-inch HD-70FH96, which offer resolution of 1080p using a 1920 x 1080 (over 2 million pixels x 3 panels), 0.7-inch D-ILA device. Each will offer dual HDMI inputs, and the 70-inch model will also include a memory card slot.

All JVC 720p HD-ILA sets feature the company's fourth generation Digital Image Scaling Technology (D.I.S.T.) and GENESSA, a 32-bit CPU dedicated to controlling picture refinement. JVC's D.I.S.T. uses an exclusive digital algorithm to upconvert any video source to the set�s highest possible resolution & 720p. Jagged lines inherent in the original source are smoothed and vertical resolution enhanced. Another exclusive is JVC's Five-Point Color Management, a new generation of this technology that samples red, green, blue, yellow and flesh tones and adjusts each separately to delivers vivid color reproduction."

I think I the largest set lists for 5K. Sorry Sony.

http://www.jvc.com/press/index.jsp?item=445&pageID=2&CategoryID=3

OK, All re: the 975.

I had expected the 975 to leave the audio alone in Digital. I will just ignore the settings.

Reincarnate: this is a very long thread ... and there many posts here talking about the 1080i vs 1080p input, along with the JVC sets, and there are other threads discussing the JVC units (I would particularly recommend the "Sony jumps on the 1080p bandwagon" thread - also a long one, known around here as the "jumps" thread).

However, the Sony does definitely display 1080p as do the anticipated JVC sets due late this year. And it's our understanding that the pixel mapping is accurate, according to those here who have tested it (again, many posts in here). However, it remains to be seen if the JVC sets will accept 1080p -- that's not been identified. They may, they may not.

The 70-inch JVC is expected to MSRP at 9k, by the way, not 5k (which is the price for the largest 720p set if I recall correctly). The 70-inch JVC will be cheaper than the 006, no doubt. And, to JVC's credit, they are releasing a 60-inch 1080p set too, which will work for a lot of folks both in terms of size and price.

Those who saw the 1080p JVC DILA sets at CES along with the Sony thought their PQ was close, both were excellent and some preferred the JVC's PQ although most preferred the Sony's (just my sense from reading the posts at the time).

No one here was happy about the 3k price increase although the set is available for less than 13k.

I would just caution you that the JVC may not be the ultimate solution either -- until it ships, we will not know for certain what input rates it will accept, what issues (if any) it may have, etc.

I am a big JVC DILA fan -- I used to own a DILA front projector and loved it. They stuck to their 3-chip guns even when they didn't get it right (in their first DILA RPTVs). As time marches on, just like in all technologies, newer, cheaper displays will come out with better features -- that's the nature of the biz. The Sony was the first and the priciest. The longer one is willing to wait, the better things will be -- each person has to decide what works for them. In 18 months, things will change again, no doubt.

Cheers

Originally posted by RonB63
I will be there on Friday the 29th. Ron
Then, will it be safe for me to call Bonnie on the 29th?:D

Originally posted by mpsan
PM, you just confirm what SONY stands for...Soon, Only Not Yet! :D
S
Tell me about it.
The funny thing is .... they actually refer to THEMSELVES with that acronym.

Originally posted by reincarnate

So happily JVC is will provide what I need this fall.
reincarnate -
Me thinks you pulled a "bait and switch" manuever with those last two posts.:)

:D
I did not know that even they knew it!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Tell me about it.
The funny thing is .... they actually refer to THEMSELVES with that acronym.

one thing that one also has to keep in mind, that JVC not only needs to match Sony in terms of PQ, but also quality of the display.

it seems to me that 006 is pretty much free of defects which is pretty impressive considering it is a first of its class.

i'll be buying my 006 in June. no way I can wait until fall for a JVC. If the JVC is as advertised, then maybe as a 2nd set in another room.

the 006 has been the hardest product I have ever had to wait for. June is around the corner!!!!!! New house, new tv, and new furniture. I can't wait.

Originally posted by reincarnate


...

I had read long ago that the 006 would cost $10K but that got changed to $13K. Now 3K more! Bulbs are $1k?... So this is just out of my league.

...



In addition to what Joel has already stated, the replacement bulbs for the Q 006 are nowhere near $1K; one online vendor has them for $299 (http://www.betterlamps.com/comersus/store/comersus_viewItem.asp?idProduct=10) or $299 (http://www.ercservice.com/lamps/sonylamps/XL5000.html)

Originally posted by Joel
Reincarnate: this is a very long thread ...
Cheers
Joel,
Again, thank you again for another factual post. I did search this thread but could not find the answers (easily).

AVS should have a mechinism so that the in depth facts can be posted at the beginning of the thread.
I, like many others refuse look through thousands of posts like:
" my gear is coming this Friday and I'm going to pee my pants..."

Penton-Man:
I own a 60" GWIII Sony rear projector and an HS20 front projector.
I am, an wish to remain a Sony customer. But where is the product???

Sony announces that their NEXT YEARS LCD front (only) projectors will include the key INORGANIC alignment layer which greatly improves contrast and brightness. JVC is going to deliver it mass produced this spring! And 1080p this fall, at a fraction of the Sony price. Not including discounts either!
Now who is more stupid, Sony marketing or me not to buy the JVC?

Over and out...

Originally posted by mpsan
:D
I did not know that even they knew it!
see:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4685822&highlight=stands#post4685822
:D

Originally posted by reincarnate

Over and out...
Relaaaaaaxxx reincarnate.
Didn’t you see my smiley face after that last post?
Doesn’t that mean no offense intended?

I wasn’t commenting on your intelligence, hell everybody knows you are a bright guy. :)

I was referring to the fact that a couple of simple questions about the 006 led to a litany of unsolicited information about the JVC. Kinda sounds like you had already made your mind up.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Relaaaaaaxxx reincarnate.
Didn�t you see my smiley face after that last post?
Doesn�t that mean no offense intended?

I wasn�t commenting on your intelligence, hell everybody knows you are a bright guy. :)

I was referring to the fact that a couple of simple questions about the 006 led to a litany of unsolicited information about the JVC. Kinda sounds like you had already made your mind up.
Penton-Man,
I learned the facts quickly and efficiently, thanks to Joel and BenDover. I just discovered the JVC technology this past weekend during my research of HDMI gear. My intentions are honest and my tone sincere. I have nothing more to say, but at least I'm smart enough to know when to quit.

P.S. I have not put anyone on my ignore list in many months, but that is about to change.

Have a nice day!;)

Originally posted by reincarnate
but at least I'm smart enough to know when to quit.

so am I.:)

Oh no you're not. :)

You know, I had almost forgotten the Sony Jumps thread!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
see:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4685822&highlight=stands#post4685822
:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Then, will it be safe for me to call Bonnie on the 29th?:D

What's the fun in associating with a gorgeous babe who is smart and financially independent? Then again, you can remind her to to tend to the little kiddies instead of hanging around on a manly site like this! Oh wait, they will be in daycare all day - then just tell her to buy me an extra Q for the bonus room (or as they say in N.J. -FROG (family room over Garage))!

If you kiss this room does it turn into a great room?

P.S. No more threats of going anywhere -it is your destiny to stay at least until the 12th wavers have come and gone! :)

For a variety of reasons, it is expensive for a manufacturer to provide for 1080p in and I doubt any manufacturer of a digital rear projector set will provide for it. Just my NSHO.

When you start reading the official blu ray sites, there is no particular mention of output resolutions. I think you could indeed design a blu ray machine to output 1080p. We have had difficulty determining whether the existing Sony machines the New York and Vegas stores are using are outputting 1080i or 1080p but I think it is very safe to assume 1080i because no one has been able to input 1080p into a 006.

For film you definitely want some refresh multiple of 24 (24, 48, or 72) to eliminate or minimize judder. For video 30 or 60, preferably 60. Others can better explain all this than I. I hope nothing I have said is inaccurate.

Originally posted by mark haflich
For a variety of reasons, it is expensive for a manufacturer to provide for 1080p in and I doubt any manufacturer of a digital rear projector set will provide for it. Just my NSHO.

When you start reading the official blu ray sites, there is no particular mention of output resolutions. I think you could indeed design a blu ray machine to output 1080p. We have had difficulty determining whether the existing Sony machines the New York and Vegas stores are using are outputting 1080i or 1080p but I think it is very safe to assume 1080i because no one has been able to input 1080p into a 006.

For film you definitely want some refresh multiple of 24 (24, 48, or 72) to eliminate or minimize judder. For video 30 or 60, preferably 60. Others can better explain all this than I. I hope nothing I have said is inaccurate.

don't you think it all really comes down to source material??? or are we all believers in the "if you build it, they will come" theory? i really wonder at the 1080 resolution, whether it would be discernible to the naked eye at a reasonable viewing distance and on a reasonably sized screen (hell, my wife thinks 70" is already unreasonable...), the difference between a true 1080p recorded/transferred and encoded source and a 1080i source doubled by some processor through whatever method (bob, weave, ben, dover...)?

Originally posted by BenDover
I really wonder at the 1080 resolution, whether it would be discernible to the naked eye at a reasonable viewing distance and on a reasonably sized screen (hell, my wife thinks 70" is already unreasonable...), the difference between a true 1080p recorded/transferred and encoded source and a 1080i source doubled by some processor through whatever method (bob, weave, ben, dover...)?

I think the difference will be discernable but not huge. Then again, there are nuts (like me) who are considering external processors to get that last ounce of performance out of this set. It's an illness, really. BUT -- once you've owned a really good external processor (my last was a Faroudja DVP-2200) you find there's a HUGE difference between the quality of a videophile-grade external processor and the ones manufacturers put in sets (even great sets like the Qualia). Who knows, an external processor may even make Comcast watchable...

:D

I just read that Faroudja is going to be selling their own branded televisions...should be interesting.

[EDIT: They are already selling :)]

Yes, it is an illnes ... a darned expensive one too, and Blue Cross doesn't cover it! :)

I think Mark H's point is a good one, that there is some expense associated with providing 1080p in and out. However, I will say that flat panel monitor producers do higher resolution inputs on smaller units ... I haven't followed the big new LCDs (including the Qualia 005 or the new large Samsung LCD recently announced) -- those may have 1080p input for all I know.

I think that at reasonable viewing distances (10' or more) the difference between 1080i and 1080p source material going into the 006 will be negligible, if discernable at all (and, of course, that all remains to be seen), with one possible exception: gaming. But since I am not a gamer, neither that nor a PC connection is of much interest to me.

However, my spidey sense tells me that was in part behind Reincarnate's reaction to the 006, for example.

On the external processor, I sure am in NO HURRY to shell out a few grand more for an external processor. I will probably save the pennies so that in a few years I can get the 102" 1080p plasma for 5k that I've always wanted, and put the 006 in the guest room.... :D

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
I sure am in NO HURRY to shell out a few grand more for an external processor. I will probably save the pennies so that in a few years I can get the 102" 1080p plasma for 5k that I've always wanted, and put the 006 in the guest room.... :D

They might even have SED perfected by then...

Originally posted by Joel
Yes, it is an illnes ... a darned expensive one too, and Blue Cross doesn't cover it! :)

...

On the external processor, I sure am in NO HURRY to shell out a few grand more for an external processor. I will probably save the pennies so that in a few years I can get the 102" 1080p plasma for 5k that I've always wanted, and put the 006 in the guest room.... :D

Cheers

I am feeling your pain...between the Q006 and the audio system for my new basement HT, I just shelled out about 20 large...I hope Eileen isn't reading this forum :)

UMR's thread is very interesting and food for thought ... any reactions?

Yep, SED is another possibiity for the next stage in my progressive illness ... :)

Cheers

Originally posted by brt3
They might even have SED perfected by then...

SED should be interesting...particularly since Toshiba, the first to have a 1080p, 3 chip, rear projection set on the market, gave up on it and is now pursuing SED.

From the start, assume the source material is 720p or 1080i. Second, one must distinguish whether the source is film or video. Big difference in how you get to 1080p because video is approximately a 60 cycle refresh rate. Now trust me there is a huge difference in deinterlacing via bob/weave vs motion adaptive (as dstinguished from bend over). The issue is how much better is the deinterlacer and scaler in the external processor vs what's in side. Of course if you can't input 1080p, then the only use of the external box would be to deinterlace 480i better than the stuff inside the set and then to scale it to 720p, the set would have to scale 720p to 1080p and deinterlace 1080i to 1080p. I know I have posted some of this before but I think its insertion here may be of benefit to the present discussion. I'm such a stiff. :)

Originally posted by mark haflich
The issue is how much better is the deinterlacer and scaler in the external processor vs what's in side. Of course if you can't input 1080p, then the only use of the external box would be to deinterlace 480i better than the stuff inside the set and then to scale it to 720p, the set would have to scale 720p to 1080p and deinterlace 1080i to 1080p.

So, regarding external processors -- let's use DVD as an example. Would you let the processor deinterlace 480i, scale it to 720P, and send that to the set? I'm assuming that would be preferable to having the processor scale 480i to 1080i and feeding that to the set, then relying on the set to deinterlace (all other things being equal). Wonder how good the Qualia is at converting 720P to 1080P...

Originally posted by mark haflich
From the start, assume the source material is 720p or 1080i. Second, one must distinguish whether the source is film or video. Big difference in how you get to 1080p because video is approximately a 60 cycle refresh rate. Now trust me there is a huge difference in deinterlacing via bob/weave vs motion adaptive (as dstinguished from bend over). The issue is how much better is the deinterlacer and scaler in the external processor vs what's in side. Of course if you can't input 1080p, then the only use of the external box would be to deinterlace 480i better than the stuff inside the set and then to scale it to 720p, the set would have to scale 720p to 1080p and deinterlace 1080i to 1080p. I know I have posted some of this before but I think its insertion here may be of benefit to the present discussion. I'm such a stiff. :)

mark, i was referring to true 1080p source material vs. 1080i. I know there are huge differences in the deinterlacing methods (I was j/k) but my point was if we were deinterlacing 1080i vs native 1080p (i agree, going from 720p to 1080p vs. native source material starting at 1080p, there would be a noticeable difference). in other words, assuming everyone were to shift to 1080i for their source, would there be any incentive for them to then move to 1080p?

i think i'm not even clear to myself...time to leave the office and head home :)

A cierge from LA sent me this review of the Q006, which supposedly came from the Perfect Vision May/June edition. Good stuff man! :D

Originally posted by kaduku
A cierge from LA sent me this review of the Q006, which supposedly came from the Perfect Vision May/June edition. Good stuff man! :D

damn it my BlackBerry won't download the pdf...I'll have to wait until I get home.

It seems like all the major AV magazines reviewed the q this month

Thanks, kaduku; will add to website ASAP!

Originally posted by kaduku
A cierge from LA sent me this review of the Q006, which supposedly came from the Perfect Vision May/June edition. Good stuff man! :D

"The Perfect Vision" Qualia 006 review now posted online here (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Kaduku -- you watching the A's vs. Toronto on INHD2 (as if I had to ask)???

You may want to reconsider putting that on your site as it might bring the perfect vision lawyers knocking

Originally posted by brt3
Posted online here (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Kaduku -- you watching the A's vs. Toronto on INHD2 (as if I had to ask)???

I wish!!!!, I have D* :( :( :(

brt3: Thanks for the posting of the TPV review of the Q006. I wouldn't worry about lawyers. I'm sure they will issue a warning if and when they ever hear about it.

If you read a lot of reviews in HT mags you will recognize that this review was a luke-warm approval of the 006...at best. I was hoping for something much more glowing.

Sony pours lots of advertising dollars into these magazines and reviewers are careful not to trash one of their products. Sony has placed glossy 3... or was it 4...page ads for the 006 in the HT mags since January. Advertising dollars are crucial to the survival of these magazines.

This is the flagship RPTV for Sony and they are hoping SXRD technology is the Trinitron of the early part of this century. It surprises me that the review was not more positive.

BTW, one of the few raves in the review concerned the "protective screen". He said it did a "marvelous job of suppressing glare". I thought most everyone in this thread agreed that the reflective glare from the screen was one of the few drawbacks? Maybe he's using the word in a different sense...or maybe the review should be ignored.

Originally posted by DOBE
brt3: Thanks for the posting of the TPV review of the Q006. I wouldn't worry about lawyers. I'm sure they will issue a warning if and when they ever hear about it.

If you read a lot of reviews in HT mags you will recognize that this review was a luke-warm approval of the 006...at best. I was hoping for something much more glowing.

DOBE,

You never know with those lawyers, which is why I added the TPV-friendly wording on the download page. I can't believe anyone would care, as the site is small and DEFINITELY not-for-profit (until I figure a way to write-off my hobby).

I would like to hear good things about the Qualia, but -- honestly -- the performance of the set is enough for me. No technology is perfect, not even my beloved CRT. As compromises go, the Qualia gets most things right. Furthermore, IMHO what it gets right it gets very, very right, while what it does wrong is not all that objectionable.

I may need to reread the TPV article, but it seems to me it's long on criticism and short on substance. Not that his findings aren't valid, but they don't seem to go into enough detail (at all) about experimentation with different combinations of settings. He mentions not liking a lot of the settings and leaving them off or zeroed. Perhaps a minor -- even trivial -- point, but I would like to hear more about the setup and calibration. To wit, "With component 480i, the default PROmode picture was hideously etched and over-enhanced unless the “Reality” adjustment was moved from the default to the lowest setting.". This does not correspond with my experience with the set. Another point Mr. Buetnner brings up, "A last issue was seen in the strong white halos that appeared on all sides of the crisscrossed horizontal and vertical black lines in Avia’s sharpness patterns." has me truly stymied. No one else seems to see this flaw, and I consider myself sharp-eyed (of course!). UMR -- anything to throw in on this point? Finally, I very rarely see the false-contouring that the reviewer describes as prevalent and frequent.

On the other hand the reviewer states: "The Qualia’s image detail goes beyond stunning, especially with a 1080i HD source. It consistently gets to the “looking through a window” level of sparkling resolution with the best HD sources—a sensation that’s all the more impressive on a screen this size. It’s one thing to see it on a 42" plasma and quite another, I assure you, to see it on a 70" RPTV! I’ve never seen an RPTV of any kind that matches the extraordinary, crystalline resolving power the Qualia 006 delivers with 1080i HD. Aside from truly spectacular resolution, the Qualia’s black levels are simply outstanding for a fixed-pixel device. I can unequivocally say this set has good enough blacks to be the centerpiece of a movie lover’s home theater.". That is a pretty positive statement that, I think, sums up what most owner's/prospective owners really love about the Qualia's picture.

Originally posted by mark haflich
I know I have posted some of this before but I think its insertion here may be of benefit to the present discussion. I'm such a stiff. :)
yes, Yes, YES !!!!!!!!!
Which is why I baited you into posting something about processors with 2 Realta chips. People, mark knows as much or more about the current state of affairs of video prosessors than anyone on this forum.

Please post more when the discussions lead into those areas.

Originally posted by Joel
UMR's thread is very interesting and food for thought ... any reactions?
Cheers
I find umr's review to be very helpful in that it is backed up by data and he has long track record here of being truly objective with his findings.

The way I read it.....is that the 006 is very good.....but it could have easily been orgasmically (new word) perfect if they had just paid more attention to the electronics.

But aint that always the case with alot of stuff?

Luckily, nobody here has seen a better picture on any RPTV according to comments on the "jumps" thread and this thread (excluding trollers with hidden agendas) - so there should be no buyer's remorse.

Originally posted by brt3
I may need to reread the TPV article, but it seems to me it's long on criticism and short on substance.
brt - I think it's superficial on everything. If you did a synopsis of the salient points of this thread and umr's "qualia experience"- OUR review would be head and shoulders above what was in Perfect Vision.

I think it makes for interesting reading because we own the display but, it really didn't change my opinion on anything.

And now for what seems like a reiteration for the 100th time –
The current Sony Blu-ray players output 1080i, THAT’S 1080i.

It’s not rumor, it’s not speculation. That comes from the engineers that are working on the Blu-ray.
There are no plans at this time to change that whatsoever for the players that make their U.S.debut probably on March 6.

As far as the “future” I expect electric cars when the world oil reserves run out.

And for my last post of the evening –
I *think* divedude is coming back with mini-dive.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
And for my last post of the evening –
I *think* divedude is coming back with mini-dive.

That's the best news of the day! :D

Some new things posted on my Qualia 006 page:

Qualia Links: Lamp Replacement (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu26.html)

Downloads: TPV Qualia Review (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Many thanks to the original posters of this information...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I *think* divedude is coming back with mini-dive.

Just when you though it was safe to go back into the thread. You gotta look out for that mini-dive -- I, for one, never trust anyone who melts in your mouth, not in your hand...

Go ahead, PM -- see if you can knock that soft-ball out of the park...

Originally posted by brt3
Some new things posted on my Qualia 006 page:

Many thanks to the original posters of this information...

Ray,
You're site is really looking good. How about that pics page so we can show our tv's with the different stands, sound systems and settings.

Originally posted by kaduku
Ray,
You're site is really looking good. How about that pics page so we can show our tv's with the different stands, sound systems and settings.

I think your idea is a good one, but so far I've not had the time to line up all the photos. I'm headed out of town tomorrow; when I get back I'll see about putting together an Owner's Gallery...

Sorry about the A's...

Originally posted by brt3
I think your idea is a good one, but so far I've not had the time to line up all the photos. I'm headed out of town tomorrow; when I get back I'll see about putting together an Owner's Gallery...

Sorry about the A's...

I know, they were slaughtered :(

TPV 006 review comments
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My reference:
I own an HP 1920*1200 computer monitor which displays 1920*1080 with 1:1 pixel mapping. Remember that digital fixed pixels displays (even projectors) require no overscan.

I play the new widescreen HD games on my SLI equipped PC at 1920*1200 or 1080p resolution. They look fantastic but ONLY with 1:1 pixel mapping. Any LCD display will only look its best when the source is generated at the displays native resolution.

This is why everyone has been waiting for a native 1920*1080 display (which is the highest resolution of the HDTV standard).

TPV quote:
"But the false-contouring is an issue for me. Although entire movies could be watched without seeing it, on some program material it was very distracting."

This is called non-defeatable digital "enhancement" which is completely unnecessary. Quality digital signals (read HD) have no losses and require NO enhancement. Digital enhancement easily leads to noise and macroblocking, especially if the DVD player is also performing its own non-defeatable digital "enhancement".

Overscan off and to the right? This could be a sign of D/A and D/A conversions.

Again Sony sells 1920*1200 computer monitors with 1:1 pixel mapping. So they have the electronics in-house. So does Samsung, LG, Phillips, HP etc. HDMI was designed for 1920*1080p @ 60Hz.

Again very disappointing as this products flaws makes no sense. Pixel burn-in is not an issue, so there is no excuse. Sorry Sony!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
People, mark knows as much or more about the current state of affairs of video prosessors than anyone on this forum.
:eek: :confused: :mad:

Was . . . was that a . . . a compliment, Penton-Man?

You know, I'm so disappointed in you for selling your principles and aligning yourself with him . . . . :D

--Dwayne

Who says not to worry about lawyers?

I am a lawyer.................

Be afraid. Be very afraid. :)

lol

Thanks for posting the TPV article. The folks at Secrets, if they ever review the 006 (or SGHT) are likely to do the most thorough job.

Ok, so it's not perfect and could have been better. Got it. Too bad. Maybe a firmware rev can fix some of it.

Cheers

Can the firmware be revised on already installed sets??

Zechman,

Where is the definitive guide to connecting a PC to the 006 that you've been so diligently working on? I am dying to know what is and isn't possible in this arena.

Thanks,

Damon

Originally posted by Zechman
:eek: :confused: :mad:

Was . . . was that a . . . a compliment, Penton-Man?

You know, I'm so disappointed in you for selling your principles and aligning yourself with him . . . . :D

--Dwayne

It's really not about principles, it about the facts. Do you know processors, how about Time Base Correctors (TBC's). what about De Vince Color processing, or SD to HD upscale Converters.

In my broadcast career, I've worked with and still work with all of it. This is a simple fact. GIGO. Garbage in-Garbage out. You can't go into moving video and put in corrected images with material that's just not there to begin with. You CAN interpret what MIGHT be there based on frame analysis algorithms. I have yet to see a processor that is the Holy Grail, and in your lifetime, YOU WON'T EITHER!

Here's where the push has to come from. BETTER source material.

Last night was my first night with the 006. My impressions:

TRUE- HD source material was stunning. PRO mode No Gamma, Cool Color temp. The picture is warm enough. I'll go into that in a later post. NO ISF yet, I'll wait the 100 break-in hours. Overall, it's a fabulous picture, rich smooth blacks although between Sharp Black and White objects, the demarcation could be a tad smoother, but it's marginal, and may be because I only have 10 hours on it, the store had it on display for a few days. I haven't gone through, in MAJOR detail, the settings. But my approach is going to be how I would set up our broadcast monitor.

Our Hi-Def Camera:
Our Sony High Def Broadcast Camera as a Source is as good as this TV will ever see, and it was indeed amazing. UN-COMPRESSED, un-processed, pure 1080i, right out of the camera head. To behold, If you saw what this set could really do with a naked Source, then you will ALL understand what I'm talking about here. Even at a Qualia Store, Blue Ray has a compression algorithm on it. FOX 720P is compressed to the BIRD, and further down your DBS or Cable system. OK, I'll move forward.

Standard Analog-
It sucked. The 006 takes everything bad about a picture and shows you that this set cries for HD content, not crys...screams! The Yankee encore last night was unwatchable. HOWEVER, don't get crazy on me yet. After dropping the sharpness, and backing way off on the detail, I have a picture I can live with. I don't like it, but Mr. Steinbrenner has forced me to watch his marquee team like this. Digital SD slightly better.

It is the best of sets, and the worst of times. Commissioner Powell is on the right track. Digital HD-TV is really the only watchable game in town. The investment the networks have to make is going to cost a fortune. Every Camera, Every Edit room. 4 TIMES the Drive space for Video Storage, Bandwidth issues, and the list goes on.

The 006 is way ahead of its time. Will the technology catch up yes... will I own an 006 or an 012 by the time that happens? There are 200+ pages in this thread. If we all FLOOD the Cable Companies' and Direct TV's E-mail boxes with DEMANDS for content, they're going to have to listen. VOOM is dead... that's scary.

EDITOR

Originally posted by JimP
Can the firmware be revised on already installed sets??

The firmware to permit 1080p60fs inputs? Unless I missed something that's a Q004 specific item.

Originally posted by Zechman
:eek: :confused: :mad:

Was . . . was that a . . . a compliment, Penton-Man?
--Dwayne
I just calls em as I sees em. I relayed the exact same information to someone on this forum in private communication BEFORE the public compliment.

Also, this is not the first compliment I have given him prior to the fracas and I hope that he continues to help out 006 owners when the topic drifts to accessories, etc. – because as far as I’m concerned that is still the mission of this thread …to help out other owners.

Now as to the other recent entity. Like I said “bait and switch”, syecore revisited. Last post…..”tone”, “sincere”, “ignore list” ….somebodys been reading our mail for quites a long time.

Originally posted by kanebear
The firmware to permit 1080p60fs inputs? Unless I missed something that's a Q004 specific item.

No, not 1080p. What, you couldn't read my mind? ;=))

I was thinking of whatever is killing the luma and chroma response in high frequency patterns as were discussed in UMR's thread and what TPV confirmed. May not really be fixable, but does bring up the question about being able to download firmware upgrades.

Originally posted by brt3
unless the “Reality” adjustment was moved from the default to the lowest setting.".
I must have gotten a prototype. I have no "Reality" adjustment on any menu.:(

Originally posted by JimP
Can the firmware be revised on already installed sets??

i sure hope so...but i don't see an rs-232 connector...

Originally posted by BenDover
i sure hope so...but i don't see an rs-232 connector...

It's a Sony, firmware upgrades are done via memory stick :D

Originally posted by editor58

In my broadcast career, I've worked with and still work with all of it. This is a simple fact. GIGO. Garbage in-Garbage out. You can't go into moving video and put in corrected images with material that's just not there to begin with. You CAN interpret what MIGHT be there based on frame analysis algorithms. I have yet to see a processor that is the Holy Grail, and in your lifetime, YOU WON'T EITHER!

Here's where the push has to come from. BETTER source material.



I agree, it all comes down to source material! All this talk about this and that and the tv not being perfect. We all already know it's not perfect! All I know is what I see, which is the best picture show right now. Heck, I haven't even see this baby in real action yet, and I am already impressed :D

Originally posted by brt3
Just when you though it was safe to go back into the thread. You gotta look out for that mini-dive -- I, for one, never trust anyone who melts in your mouth, not in your hand...

Go ahead, PM -- see if you can knock that soft-ball out of the park...

Still waiting, PM -- still waiting...

Originally posted by editor58
TRUE- HD source material was stunning.

Our Hi-Def Camera:
Our Sony High Def Broadcast Camera as a Source is as good as this TV will ever see, and it was indeed amazing. UN-COMPRESSED, un-processed, pure 1080i, right out of the camera head. To behold, If you saw what this set could really do with a naked Source, then you will ALL understand what I'm talking about here. Even at a Qualia Store, Blue Ray has a compression algorithm on it. FOX 720P is compressed to the BIRD, and further down your DBS or Cable system.

editor58,

Do you have D-VHS as a source? As a consumer-available format it seems to offer -- by far -- the fewest "evils" of all HD sources. Would like to hear your $.02...

editor58...

Do you have that IP that I gave back? It was 192.168.123.20. It seems I need it after all for one of my networked printers! :D

I sure hope it does not rain here tomorrow at 15:30!!

...and I hope the new Sony HDPVR will be a good fit. I guess it is supposed to be released June 21st.

Originally posted by brt3
editor58,

Do you have D-VHS as a source? As a consumer-available format it seems to offer -- by far -- the fewest "evils" of all HD sources. Would like to hear your $.02...

Originally posted by mpsan
...and I hope the new Sony HDPVR will be a good fit. I guess it is supposed to be released June 21st.

mspan -- I'm taking a chance on one of these as well. When you look at the Comcast DVR, for example, the overall quality indicates they are definitely cutting corners to reach a price point. Sony should be able to produce a product with a better PQ, though you can't do much about the flaws in the source...

Originally posted by editor58
VOOM is dead... that's scary.
EDITOR
April 30 will be a significant loss to HD enthusiasts.
I will certainly miss the Voom offerings in a big way, wide variety and
great HD picture quality.

Martin

Originally posted by brt3
mspan -- I'm taking a chance on one of these as well. When you look at the Comcast DVR, for example, the overall quality indicates they are definitely cutting corners to reach a price point. Sony should be able to produce a product with a better PQ, though you can't do much about the flaws in the source...

funny thing is that i belong to some sort of consumber buying club and the new sony hd dvr's are listed in their catalogs and have been for at least a few weeks now. maybe i'll order the 500...if it works out, i'll jettison the two sa8300hd boxes i'm paying for from cablevision.

Originally posted by Tulsa1
April 30 will be a significant loss to HD enthusiasts.
I will certainly miss the Voom offerings in a big way, wide variety and
great HD picture quality.

Martin

i stopped following the countdown thread on voom the night they announced it was definitely going offline...i wonder, will it just go dark? honestly, i haven't watched much of it lately but i sure will miss it...every time i scan my cable offerings i feel so ripped off given the anemic hd offerings.

I go outside for 2 hours to play with my son expecting to come back to a deluge of new tidbits and I all I get is BenDover's sadness over the demise of Voom (no offense!! :))! Are you guys working or something?

I did get HT and WSR in the mail just now - yet to read them though.

I agree. I still am concerned about getting the guide info via Comcast cable!

I wonder if the other model with half the disk space will be very much cheaper? The ReplayTV's were that way. They charged a whole lot for extra space. Who will be the first to hack the Sony? :D Maybe even see if an external drive can be used on the USB port! I have an external 250GB I use for backup.

Originally posted by brt3
mspan -- I'm taking a chance on one of these as well. When you look at the Comcast DVR, for example, the overall quality indicates they are definitely cutting corners to reach a price point. Sony should be able to produce a product with a better PQ, though you can't do much about the flaws in the source...

I am embarking on a quest to figure out just what the hell Sony's DRC is/does. What might be really helpful is determining which patents Sony has in its portfolio that would cover the DRC technology from its inception to its present incarnation. I have so far uncovered the following links with *some* useful/explanatory information but I have yet to identify which patents relate to DRC. I don't see any patent notices in the Q 006 manual; anyone that has the set, can you look over the back panel to see if there are any patent numbers listed?? Also, if others have links to useful information regarding DRC, that would be most appreciated.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/News/Press/200408/04-042E/

http://www.sony.net/Products/TV/evolution/

http://www.sony.com.my/about/cretech_projectiontv.asp?param=2

http://hometheaterhifi.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-544.html

http://www.techweb.com/wire/news/1997/10/1013dcast.html

http://www.physorg.com/news855.html

http://www.cdrinfo.com/Sections/News/Details.aspx?NewsId=12176

I would take a look at US Pat. No. 6,452,639.

And 6,847,405.

thanks umr...how were you aware of these patents in relation to DRC?

Thanks to all. This thread is back on track and is very enjoyable reading again. Let's hope it stays that way.

Personally, when I sit down to watch the 006, I don't look for negatives - in fact, even if there is something not to my liking it usually goes away when the scene changes, so why worry or look for it? I never would have been able to identify "false contouring" before reading the Perfect Vision review, and I seriously doubt I will see it now, and don't plan on looking for it. Who cares? Not me. There will NEVER be a consumer technology that will be perfect.

99.99% of the time, I am thrilled with the HD picture quality (Comcast signal), level of detail, quality of colors, etc. etc., and, most importantly to me, I get that WOW feeling everyday, that I hardly get with my Sony directview 34xbr910 (surprisingly), or that I got with any other HD set I've owned (other than the first few weeks I experienced HD programming). For the poster who asked a page or two ago, I see much more detail with the 006 than with the 34XBR910, that is definitely not "false" detail, due to picture enhancements. Seeing actual details on clothing or faces that I don't see with the super fine pitch XBR is not an optical illusion. Can I explain why? No, other than the sum quality of everything the Qualia does right, must far outweigh the things it may not do so well.

Would I like to improve the picture? Sure, why not, and I sincerely thank all those like UMR who help us in that regard. In fact, I purchased an iLink cable based on UMR's review that I'll try with my Comcast 6412 DVR tonight. I am also having the set calibrated on May 4 by Eliab.

Am I happy with the set today pre-calibration? ABSOLUTELY 100%. Is my family? ABSOLUTELY 100%.

Originally posted by BenDover
thanks umr...how were you aware of these patents in relation to DRC?

I happen to be pretty good at searching the uspto. My wife is an IP attorney and I hold a few patents myself.

Originally posted by nhey
Thanks to all. This thread is back on track and is very enjoyable reading again. Let's hope it stays that way.

Personally, when I sit down to watch the 006, I don't look for negatives - in fact, even if there is something not to my liking it usually goes away when the scene changes, so why worry or look for it? I never would have been able to identify "false contouring" before reading the Perfect Vision review, and I seriously doubt I will see it now, and don't plan on looking for it. Who cares? Not me. There will NEVER be a consumer technology that will be perfect.

nhey -- 100% agreed on the thread; I was really bugged that things would fall apart, but I think we're balanced again. In my mind it's a very good mix of technical data, 2nd/3rd wave enthusiasm, and friendly banter...

I wish I could ignore artifacts, but the biggest flaw with the Qualia 006 is -- by far -- the lack of well-mastered content to watch on the set. Seriously, the compression artifacts from Comcast are far worse (by a huge margin) than anything the Q006 introduces into the picture.

Despite that I am all for revealing any flaws the set might have ASAP. That can ONLY benefit us in the long run, as "bad press" can be (maybe not in Sony's case) the only thing that pushes a manufacturer to improve their product.

It will be interesting -- once there are 3 or more viable reviews out there -- to compare their findings and extrapolate the agreement among them...

would be great if someone could post the s&v review as well... i still haven't gotten my issue.

From BRT 3
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I wish I could ignore artifacts, but the biggest flaw with the Qualia 006 is -- by far -- the lack of well-mastered content to watch on the set. Seriously, the compression artifacts from Comcast are far worse (by a huge margin) than anything the Q006 introduces into the picture.
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If your biggest concern is compression artifacts, you may get some mileage with an Algolith Mosquito between your devices and the Qualia. They will soon be releasing a version with a digital path (HDMI connnections), as an upgrade/replacement of their current analog input/output offering (component connections).

This would allow you to still use the Qualia to deinterlace/scale the image, but the Mosquito would be used to "clean" up the compression artifacts.

The interesting question will be what, if any, improvements can be had with the service codes or firmware upgrades.

Sony has a large unit here in SD. If we can find out what US unit handles the 006 from a corporate perspective, we might be able to arrange a meeting and discussion on these technical issues -- possibly leading to a firmware rev, if these are the kind of things that firmware can fix. I wouldn't assume a hardware fix is likely at all.

Any chance that someone can do firmware fixes on their own? Legally, of course. Or, would one of the ISF folks have the codes and could work with UMR and others to see what can be addressed?

Cheers

Originally posted by brt3
nhey -- 100% agreed on the thread; I was really bugged that things would fall apart, but I think we're balanced again. In my mind it's a very good mix of technical data, 2nd/3rd wave enthusiasm, and friendly banter...

I wish I could ignore artifacts, but the biggest flaw with the Qualia 006 is -- by far -- the lack of well-mastered content to watch on the set. Seriously, the compression artifacts from Comcast are far worse (by a huge margin) than anything the Q006 introduces into the picture.

Despite that I am all for revealing any flaws the set might have ASAP. That can ONLY benefit us in the long run, as "bad press" can be (maybe not in Sony's case) the only thing that pushes a manufacturer to improve their product.

It will be interesting -- once there are 3 or more viable reviews out there -- to compare their findings and extrapolate the agreement among them...

brt3 - Agree with you about Sony "resting on their laurels". It's never good to let a manufacturer do that.

About Comcast, my experience in central Jersey with respect to their HD signal has been nothing but excellent. I find it far superior to D*'s signal. I guess it varies in different parts of the country.

OUCH.

I tried a 4 pin to 4 pin iLink cable between the 006 and Comcast 6412 box and, while it fits the 006, the Comcast connector appears to be considerably bigger. and it doesn't fit.

Ted99 or ColorTV - do you recall what the 6412's pin size is for iLink??

Hooked my New 17 inch Mac Powerbook up to the Q006 and did a slideshow. Best I could do was get about a 60 inch screen inside the 70 inch but the pictures looks outstanding. Did the ken burns effect slideshow and it was way cool to see our vacation pictures displayed this way for everyone to see from the couch.

Way way cool.

Originally posted by nhey
OUCH.

I tried a 4 pin to 4 pin iLink cable between the 006 and Comcast 6412 box and, while it fits the 006, the Comcast connector appears to be considerably bigger. and it doesn't fit.

Ted99 or ColorTV - do you recall what the 6412's pin size is for iLink??


Never mind. Just found Colortv's post. The 6412 uses a 6 pin iLink, so I need a 6 pin to 4 pin cable.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Hooked my New 17 inch Mac Powerbook up to the Q006 and did a slideshow. Best I could do was get about a 60 inch screen inside the 70 inch but the pictures looks outstanding. Did the ken burns effect slideshow and it was way cool to see our vacation pictures displayed this way for everyone to see from the couch.

Way way cool.

what resolution/scan rate were you outputting from the powerbook?

Originally posted by SF_Theater
If your biggest concern is compression artifacts, you may get some mileage with an Algolith Mosquito between your devices and the Qualia. They will soon be releasing a version with a digital path (HDMI connnections), as an upgrade/replacement of their current analog input/output offering (component connections).

Thanks, SF_Theater. If you go back several pages I listed a link to Algolith, and another to Michel Poirer's interview with "Secrets". In it he mentions the Digital (HDMI) Mosquito, and the Dragonfly/Mosquito combo. I have the Dragonfly on pre-order, and have thought (many times) about "SuperSizing" (or should that be "Superpricing") my order to a Mosquito combo. The illness continues...

I still can't believe I haven't gotten a perverse response from PM re: my "melts in your mouth, not in your hands" mini-dive reference...

Joel...

are you on the list to get a Q 006? do you have a date?

Originally posted by nhey
Never mind. Just found Colortv's post. The 6412 uses a 6 pin iLink, so I need a 6 pin to 4 pin cable.

Yes, that's the correct iLink cable. But since the Comcast guide and other non-program stuff such as DVR menus do NOT show up via the iLink connection, I don't think iLink is useful for either the 6412 or a DVHS machine. And I don't see the tiniest improvement in PQ using either iLink or DVI-HDMI digital connection to the 006. I'm a happy camper with good component cables connecting the 6412 with the 006. I know it seems logical that a pure digital connection would better, but I sure can't see it.

Color - I can't tell how great it is to see you (and that kick butt logo!).
Hope to see (a lot) more of you around here!

Sorry Brt3. While I have followed the jumps and this thread from inception, I must have forgotten your post.

I have seen a Realta process a DVD signal on a SONY 70" LCD RPTV (amazing difference between processed and straight DVD to TV), it is left to be seen how it outperforms (if it does) the Q006 internal processing.

Originally posted by RonB63
Color - I can't tell how great it is to see you (and that kick butt logo!).
Hope to see (a lot) more of you around here!

Thanks. Keeping current with this thread is very time consuming as you know. I tend to avoid it when the snipers are out. I've got a lot of other stuff going on these days, including watching my TV. After 3 months, it's still a thrill to watch. Zero regrets, zero complaints - incuding the price. It's worth every penny, and I'm glad I didn't wait many months to see what the competition will come up with. The 006 sets the bar very high. I'm sure the vast majority of 006 owners feel the same.

Originally posted by colortv
Yes, that's the correct iLink cable. But since the Comcast guide and other non-program stuff such as DVR menus do NOT show up via the iLink connection, I don't think iLink is useful for either the 6412 or a DVHS machine. And I don't see the tiniest improvement in PQ using either iLink or DVI-HDMI digital connection to the 006. I'm a happy camper with good component cables connecting the 6412 with the 006. I know it seems logical that a pure digital connection would better, but I sure can't see it.

Ok, what I now find puzzling is that umr and also the guy from the Pv review both indicated that the component inputs provided inferior pq....I wonder if there might be manufacturing/qc issues at work here given the inconsistency?

Glad you are back, too! I get my Q006 in less than 24 Hours!!

Originally posted by colortv
Thanks. Keeping current with this thread is very time consuming as you know. I tend to avoid it when the snipers are out. I've got a lot of other stuff going on these days, including watching my TV. After 3 months, it's still a thrill to watch. Zero regrets, zero complaints - incuding the price. It's worth every penny, and I'm glad I didn't wait many months to see what the competition will come up with. The 006 sets the bar very high. I'm sure the vast majority of 006 owners feel the same.

Originally posted by colortv
I know it seems logical that a pure digital connection would better, but I sure can't see it.

The A/D conversion has to be done somewhere. If the converters in the Qualia or your cable box have enough bandwidth then you will not see a difference, assuming the rolloff in the cable is insignificant. If the cable is long enough then you will, of course, see negative effects due to the rolloff.

Dilbert1

At the risk of really showing what I don't know....when you receive a Sat HD signal is it 480i or 1080i or something else? Cable is not offered where I live (da boonies) so it is Dish / or DVD.
Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by colortv
After 3 months, it's still a thrill to watch. Zero regrets, zero complaints - incuding the price. It's worth every penny, and I'm glad I didn't wait many months to see what the competition will come up with. The 006 sets the bar very high. I'm sure the vast majority of 006 owners feel the same.
Agreed. No regrets at all. The eyeballs determine the satisfaction level.

God, it's good to see you back.
C'mon divedude and mine-dive, the Qualia family is waiting.

Originally posted by Neo2005
At the risk of really showing what I don't know....when you receive a Sat HD signal is it 480i or 1080i or something else? Cable is not offered where I live (da boonies) so it is Dish / or DVD.
Thanks for the info.

by definition, if you are receiving an hd signal it has to be either 720p or 1080i...if you are also asking about sd channels beamed down via satellite, they are 480i afaik.

BenDover, I am awaiting the 006 -- whenever the next batch arrives I will get one, possibly this week or early next. Have been waiting for 2 weeks or so now. I am very excited, also getting the 975 for HDMI (notwithstanding UMR and PV).

Welcome back, ColorTV!

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
Glad you are back, too! I get my Q006 in less than 24 Hours!!
Have you checked out your Sony DVD player yet for functionality?
I'm wondering if you got one of the good ones or *the curse*.

Originally posted by BenDover
Ok, what I now find puzzling is that umr and also the guy from the Pv review both indicated that the component inputs provided inferior pq....I wonder if there might be manufacturing/qc issues at work here given the inconsistency?

I feed both my Comcast/Motorola 6412 DVR and JVC 40000 DVHS machine into the 006 via component cables I bought from RAM. Standing 2 feet in front of the 006 I can spot very minor (and expected) compression artifacts on some Comcast HD programs, but D-Theater tapes played on the JVC DVHS machine are absolutely pristine unless I practically put my nose on the Qualia screen. I can't see any flaws in the component inputs on my 006, so I can't account for what the PV reviewer noticed. I haven't fiddled with any DRC settings. I just set the Pro settings on all inputs to the recommendations on post #1 on this thread. The only device I watch with a pure digital connection is the Sony 975 DVD player via a Sony HDMI cable I bought at Fry's. And WOW it looks good! We watched "The Incredibles" the other night and my guests were certain it was HD. Of course SD DVD is anything but HD. I guess the DRC in the 006 is making those 480 lines look awfully good scaled up to 1080p. The 975 is a pretty neat DVD player for 300 bucks.

I am a non-owner and have been reading this thread and all the others JVC,SAMS, other Sony threads for a long time now. The one thing that keeps standing out about the 006 is everyone seems to be totally satisfied with it right out of the box. That in itself is amazing. The others are constantly talking about tweaking,CA issues, colors appearing in corners of screens which have lead to lots of Tech calls and set replacements. That seems to be the most amazing thing about the 006. It seems that all the mumbo jumbo techno test being done in the reviews dont mean a hill of beans for a family of 4 that is going to watch a little network HD prime-time programming on their trouble free 006. Maybe one day I will be there

Here are a couple of items that may interest some of you regarding Apple's possible adoption of Blu-Ray burners in upcoming PowerMac G5's, as well as hardware and software that will likely result in significantly more HD content for us to watch on our Qualia 006's. Blu-Ray burners in G5's mated with Final Cut Pro HD editing software and Apple's DVD Studio Pro authoring software could make burning high def DVD's from HDV and other HD camcorders a reality, and soon. The NAB convention starts in Las Vegas next week, and several companies including Apple and Panasonic are making major HD announcements.

One of the legendary Apple rumor websites has this unsubstantiated speculation regarding Blu-Ray DVD burners:

"there have been rumblings that the new Power Mac G5s will feature Blu-Ray SuperDrives, making Apple the first company to ship the technology. Apple joined the Blu-Ray Association's Board of Directors on March 10, and Apple was the first company to ship a DVD recorder when it introduced the SuperDrive with Power Mac G4 systems, lending some credibility to this rumor."

Also, this link has some interesting HD stuff coming up at NAB. The Panny HD camcorder recording 24p on solid state media is major stuff:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=993

Originally posted by pepco
I am a non-owner and have been reading this thread and all the others JVC,SAMS, other Sony threads for a long time now. The one thing that keeps standing out about the 006 is everyone seems to be totally satisfied with it right out of the box. That in itself is amazing. The others are constantly talking about tweaking,CA issues, colors appearing in corners of screens which have lead to lots of Tech calls and set replacements. That seems to be the most amazing thing about the 006. It seems that all the mumbo jumbo techno test being done in the reviews dont mean a hill of beans for a family of 4 that is going to watch a little network HD prime-time programming on their trouble free 006. Maybe one day I will be there

Absolutely on target. Is there any other RPTV that doesn't cry out for major ISF tweaks to get a decent picture? Not so with the 006. The default "vivid" setting is YUK, but 5-10 minutes of dialing in the "pro" settings listed on post #1 of this thread will result in stunning performance. I stopped by Good Guys again today, and visited their HDTV department. After 3 months of watching the 006, I'm very familiar with the "look" and not one of GG's displays from any manufacturer hold a candle.

Originally posted by colortv
Thanks. Keeping current with this thread is very time consuming as you know. I tend to avoid it when the snipers are out. I've got a lot of other stuff going on these days, including watching my TV. After 3 months, it's still a thrill to watch. Zero regrets, zero complaints - incuding the price. It's worth every penny, and I'm glad I didn't wait many months to see what the competition will come up with. The 006 sets the bar very high. I'm sure the vast majority of 006 owners feel the same.

Colortv,
I've really missed seeing that peacock man!!!!! Welcome back! :D You and editor58 should get along very well.

Originally posted by SF_Theater
Sorry Brt3. While I have followed the jumps and this thread from inception, I must have forgotten your post.

I have seen a Realta process a DVD signal on a SONY 70" LCD RPTV (amazing difference between processed and straight DVD to TV), it is left to be seen how it outperforms (if it does) the Q006 internal processing.

No problem at all, SF -- there's a lot of pages here...

So -- was the Realta you saw inside a Denon 5910? If so I have high hopes for what an Algolith Dragonfly (or other external Realta/HQV processor) will do, as they use a fuller implementation of the chip than Denon...

It was showing three resolutions. The one I choose was the largest at 1920 x 1080. It seems that my Mac Mini has too much of a wussie video card to run at that resolution. The new powerbooks have a video card that is capable of running their 30 inch cinema wide at 2500 x 1600 so it seems to handle the Qualia just fine.

Penton’s Poor Man’s (i.e. without ISF calibration) Settings to the Perfect Picture
With special thanks to umr and brt’s for their collaborative input.

Jb007- you can post this on page 1 or in the jury room for a diversionary tactic.

Picture Mode - Pro
Picture - 55
Brightness - 29
Color - 33
Hue - 0
Sharpness - 25
Color Temp - Warm
Noise Reduction - Off
Direct Mode - Off
Game Mode - Off
BN Smoother - off
Cinema Black Pro - On
Color Space - Normal
Color Corrector - Off
DTE - Off
Clear White - Off
Detail Enhancer - Off
Black Corrector - Off
Gamma Corrector - Off
White Balance – Default settings (i.e. – all 0)

The above were the only settings that I have found to make viewing “24” acceptable to my ocular globes and pristine to everything else on broadcast cable HDTV.

With so much discussion in this thread about the Sony 975 player can anyone offer a subjective or analytical comparison to other inexpensive upconverting DVD players like the bravo or samsung models,particularly if connected to the Q006?

Originally posted by colortv
Here are a couple of items that may interest some of you regarding Apple's possible adoption of Blu-Ray burners in upcoming PowerMac G5's, as well as hardware and software that will likely result in significantly more HD content for us to watch on our Qualia 006's. Blu-Ray burners in G5's mated with Final Cut Pro HD editing software and Apple's DVD Studio Pro authoring software could make burning high def DVD's from HDV and other HD camcorders a reality, and soon. The NAB convention starts in Las Vegas next week, and several companies including Apple and Panasonic are making major HD announcements.

One of the legendary Apple rumor websites has this unsubstantiated speculation regarding Blu-Ray DVD burners:

"there have been rumblings that the new Power Mac G5s will feature Blu-Ray SuperDrives, making Apple the first company to ship the technology. Apple joined the Blu-Ray Association's Board of Directors on March 10, and Apple was the first company to ship a DVD recorder when it introduced the SuperDrive with Power Mac G4 systems, lending some credibility to this rumor."

Also, this link has some interesting HD stuff coming up at NAB. The Panny HD camcorder recording 24p on solid state media is major stuff:
http://www.appleinsider.com/article.php?id=993

Thus... expect Blu-Movies on Blu-Ray very shortly thereafter. ;)

Oh, and did I mention the waiting positively sucks? I suppose it's good to have time to get the rest of the room ready (moving everything to a still-not-appropriate-enough HT area) but... AAARGGH!

mp-san,

(digression: i've been receiving some foreign communications lately addressing me with -san and i get a kick out of it...i feel like the karate kid :) )

i guess you are less than 24 hours away from touchdown of your Q006, I feel the excitement for you.

i look forward to seeing some pics of the setup and possibly of the difficulty of carrying the set into its final resting place for your particular arrangement.

i'm getting a bit nervous about getting my set into its home as i believe i will definitely have to unpack it before carrying it in.

Yes, Ben-san... :D

That is not why I picked the san. I have been to Japan 45 times and san is 3. So a while ago I chose MP3...get it?

Yup...I am 7 hours away now.

Also...re others questions about the 975, I got one when I bought the Q006. I opened it up this past weekend to check FW version. It is 1.9 and s/n 2023xxx. I hooked it up via HDMI to my new plasma and it looked great!

I never watched anything, but wanted to be sure it worked OK as the same store could just bring another one (today) when the Q was delivered! It seemed OK, but yesterday I pressed the power button on the 975 , not the remote, and it said Welcome. Then I hit open. It said Open...but did not! I tried several times. I pulled the plug, and tried again and it has been OK ever since. I will be talking to the dealer again this AM before he delivers the Q006.

Anyone know if this is the traylock bug? I have been told my 975 came from the new batch and was not remanufactured. It sure looked new!


Also, I tried MP3's on CD-RW and a movie on DVD+RW and they were OK. But, MP3's on a DVD+RW would not play. Is this to be expected? Why would Sony care if the MP3 was on a DVD+RW?


Originally posted by BenDover
mp-san,

(digression: i've been receiving some foreign communications lately addressing me with -san and i get a kick out of it...i feel like the karate kid :) )

i guess you are less than 24 hours away from touchdown of your Q006, I feel the excitement for you.

i look forward to seeing some pics of the setup and possibly of the difficulty of carrying the set into its final resting place for your particular arrangement.

i'm getting a bit nervous about getting my set into its home as i believe i will definitely have to unpack it before carrying it in.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
It was showing three resolutions. The one I choose was the largest at 1920 x 1080. It seems that my Mac Mini has too much of a wussie video card to run at that resolution. The new powerbooks have a video card that is capable of running their 30 inch cinema wide at 2500 x 1600 so it seems to handle the Qualia just fine.

you say you selected the full 1920x1080 but yet in your original post didn't you indicate that it didn't occupy the entire screen?

Originally posted by BenDover
i'm getting a bit nervous about getting my set into its home as i believe i will definitely have to unpack it before carrying it in.

If you have to unpack the set:

1) Try to have them keep the protective wrap on the set
2) Try to have them keep the set in the boxes lower tray as long as is possible;, this has very good handles for them to use and supports it nicely from underneath...

Using my "savings" from buying through DocDVD, I purchased the Direc TV HD Tivo and activated it on Sunday. We recorded Deadwood on Direc TV and Time Warner SA 8300HD, and CSI Miami on DirecTV and OTA. My observations: 1) couldn't see any significant difference between either source on "Deadwood". I thought TW was minutely better and wife thought Direc TV was minutely better. 2) OTA was definitely better than Direc TV for CSI. Conclusion: TW's compression is about equal to that of Direc TV. I have the SA 8300HD set up to pass through the native resolution, and have left the HR10-250 set at 1080i. SD on the Q006 is clearly better to my eye from the Direc TV Tivo box at 1080i than from the SA 8300HD at 480i. In fact, it's the best SD I've seen, period. It is better than that from my older Sony SAT T 60 Direc TV Tivo sending SD to the Q006 via the composite connection, my previous best. Conclusion: The HR10-250 has a pretty good scaler and the Q006 really likes it's output. Both source devices are sending the signal directly to the Q006 via HDMI on inputs 6 and 7. When we watch ABC HD, I'll switch between 720p and 1080i output from the HR10-250 to see if there is any difference, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. The Tivo unit's user interface is so much better than that of the SA 8300HD that we are dropping the TW HBO service. The only reason we don't drop TW entirely is it's the only place for my wife's "Tennis Channel".

Originally posted by brt3
No problem at all, SF -- there's a lot of pages here...

So -- was the Realta you saw inside a Denon 5910? If so I have high hopes for what an Algolith Dragonfly (or other external Realta/HQV processor) will do, as they use a fuller implementation of the chip than Denon...

No, not inside the 5910, something that will likely be much more close to your Dragonfly implementation.

Brt3-

There has been some significant praise on the Q006's internal processing capabilities. Having not seen a Q006 in person yet (to be corrected in Vegas this weekend), I can't really comment on comparing it to what I saw. Even after this weekend, it won't be a side by side with the same source material, set-up, etc., so likely not a valid comparison anyway.

I think your upcoming setup will be a great test of just how good the Q006s internal and Realta based external processing are (or at least the incremental advantages of one over the other). I am not sure if you also have a plasma display (or other RPTV), but that would be a great way to see the benefits of a Realta based processor vs. those sets baseline capabilities (assuming the Q006 already has upgraded internals over a standard/non-Qualia display).

SF

Just in case-
1) I don't sell any A/V gear, so I am not trying to sell processors here
2) I don't work for any Company that is bringing, or is trying to bring, any A/V gear or their sub-components to market

Originally posted by SF_Theater
Just in case-
1) I don't sell any A/V gear, so I am not trying to sell processors here
2) I don't work for any Company that is bringing, or is trying to bring, any A/V gear or their sub-components to market

:)

Originally posted by SF_Theater
Brt3-

There has been some significant praise on the Q006's internal processing capabilities. Having not seen a Q006 in person yet (to be corrected in Vegas this weekend), I can't really comment on comparing it to what I saw. Even after this weekend, it won't be a side by side with the same source material, set-up, etc., so likely not a valid comparison anyway.

I think your upcoming setup will be a great test of just how good the Q006s internal and Realta based external processing are (or at least the incremental advantages of one over the other). I am not sure if you also have a plasma display (or other RPTV), but that would be a great way to see the benefits of a Realta based processor vs. those sets baseline capabilities (assuming the Q006 already has upgraded internals over a standard/non-Qualia display).

SF

SF -- Sounds like an interesting time to be in Vegas. Is that the NAB convention?

I actually do have other non-Qualia sets (gasp!); that's one of the things that covers my assets on the Dragonfly. If it works great on the Qualia I'll leave it there; if not I can use it on a plasma set I have. But I'm bettin' it blows up SD sources real good! (apologies to John Candy & Joe Flaherty)

I would really love to see a head-to-head comparison between the current (or soon to be current) cream-of-the-crop 1080P RPTVs. Didn't one of the professional-oriented shows used to do head-to-head "shootouts" with front-projectors?

Originally posted by Ted99
. SD on the Q006 is clearly better to my eye from the Direc TV Tivo box at 1080i than from the SA 8300HD at 480i. In fact, it's the best SD I've seen, period. Conclusion: The HR10-250 has a pretty good scaler and the Q006 really likes it's output. The Tivo unit's user interface is so much better than that of the SA 8300HD .

Ted99,
Thanks for your comparison. I am glad to hear that you liked the SD so much with D*on the Q. I have the HDTivo also and love their user interface! Too bad they are not renewing their agreement with Tivo after the contract runs out. D* is making their own software and I hope they "steal" as much as possible from Tivo - MUCH nicer than that in my Moto box with Comcast. Ironically, Tivo signed up with Comcast recently.

In the coming 6-24 months (my guess) D* will need to replace your new unit with one that handles the new mpeg-4 compression that they are changing to. If D* uses some of their added space (new birds going up & better compression) to increase the QUALITY of(many of) the existing channels then the 006 mights have SD that "almost" wows people as much as HD (relatively of course).

Ron

yesterday I pressed the power button on the 975 , not the remote, and it said Welcome. Then I hit open. It said Open...but did not! I tried several times. I pulled the plug, and tried again and it has been OK ever since. I will be talking to the dealer again this AM before he delivers the Q006.

Anyone know if this is the traylock bug? I have been told my 975 came from the new batch and was not remanufactured. It sure looked new![/B]

I guess I have been very lucky, because I have not had one glitch with the tray locking issue on my 975 DVD player. I bought it in January, supposedly before any new firmware was released. Fingers crossed it continues to impress me!

Hello Color...

I guess what I wonder now is if I should replace it now or just let it go and see how it does when I start using it with the Q...in a few more hours!

BTW, have you tried MP3 on DVD+RW? As I said, Movies work but MP3's will only work on cd media.


Originally posted by colortv
I guess I have been very lucky, because I have not had one glitch with the tray locking issue on my 975 DVD player. I bought it in January, supposedly before any new firmware was released. Fingers crossed it continues to impress me!

I just purchased the amazing Qualia 006. Even though it was supposed to come in at $10K rather than 13K, at least you know when you buy it that you made the right decision. The extra $3K is worth it just to reinforce your decision. The picture is stunning with 1080i. My local store in Santa Monica, CA has it next to all of the expensive plasmas. It clearly outperforms them and is just as bright. Where is really struts its stuff is with texture, especially with sky and water.

I brought home the sony $300 and the new Panasonic $300 dvd player and put them head to head. I preferre the build qualifty and remote of the panasonic. It was also marginally brighter and sharper. However, you don't use the scaler in either and let the Qualia do the scaling. I couldn't get the panasonic to output anything through the HDMI output with 480p, but that is probably optimal because it won't do 480i. The sony allowed me to do all outputs. There is no color shift problem with the sony as long as you use 480i or 480p because then the TV will use the standard color decoder. I settled on the 480p output on the Sony but will revaluate if the 480i is better tonight. The sony picture was less noisy, more filmlike and more natural looking. It invited me into the picture more. Isn't that what it is really all about. I am keeping the Sony and returning the Panasonic.
:)

BenDover

At 1920 x 1080 it did not fill the entire screen. Looked like it was a 58 inch widescreen inside the 70 screensize of the Q. About 6 inches of extra space at the corners.

Pictures looked good..........just not the full 70 inches.

Nice first post, gFrank.

I think I will keep my Sony 975, but may ask for a new one if my problem was, in fact, the tray lock issue.


Originally posted by gFrank
I just purchased the amazing Qualia 006. Even though it was supposed to come in at $10K rather than 13K, at least you know when you buy it that you made the right decision. The extra $3K is worth it just to reinforce your decision. The picture is stunning with 1080i. My local store in Santa Monica, CA has it next to all of the expensive plasmas. It clearly outperforms them and is just as bright. Where is really struts its stuff is with texture, especially with sky and water.

I brought home the sony $300 and the new Panasonic $300 dvd player and put them head to head. I preferre the build qualifty and remote of the panasonic. It was also marginally brighter and sharper. However, you don't use the scaler in either and let the Qualia do the scaling. I couldn't get the panasonic to output anything through the HDMI output with 480p, but that is probably optimal because it won't do 480i. The sony allowed me to do all outputs. There is no color shift problem with the sony as long as you use 480i or 480p because then the TV will use the standard color decoder. I settled on the 480p output on the Sony but will revaluate if the 480i is better tonight. The sony picture was less noisy, more filmlike and more natural looking. It invited me into the picture more. Isn't that what it is really all about. I am keeping the Sony and returning the Panasonic.
:)

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
BenDover

At 1920 x 1080 it did not fill the entire screen. Looked like it was a 58 inch widescreen inside the 70 screensize of the Q. About 6 inches of extra space at the corners.

Pictures looked good..........just not the full 70 inches.

so what does this mean...not 1:1 pixel mapping???

anyone?

We've heard rumblings of this before, but there is an article in USA Today that may be good news, with the headline Sony says open to avoiding DVD format war (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-04-13-dvd-format-war_x.htm).

:)

Originally posted by jb007
We've heard rumblings of this before, but there is an article in USA Today that may be good news, with the headline Sony says open to avoiding DVD format war (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-04-13-dvd-format-war_x.htm).

:)

i don't see it happening...all the companies have too much at stake with their patent portfolios and the associated licensing pools...unless they can construct a format that somehow makes use of all, or substantially all, of the respective patents, the companies won't be willing to forego the large amounts of royalty income...imho

BenDover-

Tend to agree, but losing some/all of their licensing revenue may be better than losing the format war and then having to pay licensing fees/royalties to someone else to be able to sell products.

SF

Originally posted by SF_Theater
BenDover-

Tend to agree, but losing some/all of their licensing revenue may be better than losing the format war and then having to pay licensing fees/royalties to someone else to be able to sell products.

SF

yes, that is the risk associated...and if sony doesn't have a short memory, they will remind themselves of the betamax fiasco

OT. Don't believe those magazines that are reporting a MSRP of $12,000 for the Qualia 005. Expect $15,000 saith Sony sources.

Originally posted by mark haflich
OT. Don't believe those magazines that are reporting a MSRP of $12,000 for the Qualia 005. Expect $15,000 saith Sony sources.

for a 46" lcd???

Sounds like we're confusing the 005 and the 006.

Originally posted by JimP
Sounds like we're confusing the 005 and the 006.

i don't think so; mark is saying that the real price for the upcoming 005 is more than some sources would have you believe.

the 005 is sony's new lcd (i believe it is 46") that uses the tri-luminous led for backlighting as opposed to the traditional manner for providing light in lcd panels.

sounds like it is going to be very pricey...especially if you normalize it to screen size...my purchase feels more justified to me now :)

BenDover

I have a Bravo D1 upconverting DVD player. Over DVI to HDMI cable, I could only get it to output at 720p with 006. None of the other settings work. I compared my pq on 5th Element superbit to pics posted on Brt3 website and could see no difference. If I didn't already have the Bravo, I would have gone with the Sony 975. Waiting impatiently for BluRay!

Bernie

Originally posted by bernster2001
BenDover

I have a Bravo D1 upconverting DVD player. Over DVI to HDMI cable, I could only get it to output at 720p with 006. None of the other settings work. I compared my pq on 5th Element superbit to pics posted on Brt3 website and could see no difference. If I didn't already have the Bravo, I would have gone with the Sony 975. Waiting impatiently for BluRay!

Bernie

thanks bernie for the info...i know the d2 has been out for some time and is supposedly better than the d1 in many respects; maybe one has to do with output formats.

i'm not sure that comparing pq based on pics posted on a website is an accurate comparison though but i'm happy to get some input on one of these actually connected to a q006.

how do you compare the picture from the d1 with say watching a similar program over an hd source (like cable tv or satellite)?

also, from what i've read here, it appears that the q006 performs best with dvd material when you feed it a 480p signal and let it internally upconvert to 1080p...you may want to try that as well.

how do you compare the picture from the d1 with say watching a similar program over an hd source (like cable tv or satellite)?

Depends on the quality of the DVD transfer. Some DVDs look almost like HD.

Sound and Vision Article at http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=810&page_number=1
states:

"Sony has made a powerful statement with SXRD, and the Qualia 006 takes a special place in the world. Is the image quality significantly better than any large-screen plasma, single-chip DLP, standard LCD, or LCoS microdisplay I've seen? Yes. Will subsequent, lower-priced SXRD products look as good? Maybe. But whether or not SXRD comes to dominate TVs the way American Idol rules the airwaves, deep-pocketed videophiles will scream in glee like teenage girls — on the inside, at least — when they see the Qualia 006 in person."

Originally posted by bernster2001
Sound and Vision Article at http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=810&page_number=1
states:

"Sony has made a powerful statement with SXRD, and the Qualia 006 takes a special place in the world. Is the image quality significantly better than any large-screen plasma, single-chip DLP, standard LCD, or LCoS microdisplay I've seen? Yes. Will subsequent, lower-priced SXRD products look as good? Maybe. But whether or not SXRD comes to dominate TVs the way American Idol rules the airwaves, deep-pocketed videophiles will scream in glee like teenage girls — on the inside, at least — when they see the Qualia 006 in person."

sweet!! s&v's review is now online...

i hate it when it is available online before i even get my hard copy...i end up reading much of my issue before getting it :)

thanks for the heads up bernie...

Originally posted by bernster2001
Sound and Vision Article at http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/article.asp?section_id=7&article_id=810&page_number=1
states:

brt- read the article
It will answer your question to me about what the "blue ghost" issue was that prompted some 80 units or so to be returned to Japan before they got into consumer's hands.

Originally posted by BenDover
sweet!! s&v's review is now online...

And it's MUCH more detailed than the PV review that just came out.

The article is more qualitative, focusing on the viewing experience, rather than test patterns. However, both the TPV article and UMR's review are very instructive. PM, thanks for posting the settings!

Still waiting for a delivery date ... but keeping my twitching fingers crossed ...

Cheers

OK, Q006 is now in room and 975 hooked up via HDMI. Great. Not sure but they may have set the 975 to 720p.

I will have to play some more! :D

Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive. Lots of new owners on this thread - CONGRATULATIONS :D And "The Qualia Has Landed" for many of you guys that have been waiting for a long time - DOUBLE CONGRATULATIONS :D :D I've had about three weeks of watching mine and couldn't be happier :cool:

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive. Lots of new owners on this thread - CONGRATULATIONS :D And "The Qualia Has Landed" for many of you guys that have been waiting for a long time - DOUBLE CONGRATULATIONS :D :D I've had about three weeks of watching mine and couldn't be happier :cool:

wb dd...seems like the whole gang that everyone from the original thread has talked about for some time now has returned...

Nothing like Quality time with our Qualia family ... lol Welcome back, DD!

Cheers

Glad to see you back, DD. I will take some pictures of my 2 hour old Q006 as soon as we get our stand.

here is a question for all you lucky qualians that actually have their sets already, do you leave the SONY logo glowing or do you turn it off???

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive. :)
I couldn't be happier. :)

Please do tell if mini Dive is wearing a 10K (?MSRP) Rolex submariner watch.

DD & MD,

Welcome back! The world was looking a lot dryer with you gone. :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
:)
I couldn't be happier. :)

Please do tell if mini Dive is wearing a 10K (?MSRP) Rolex submariner watch.

PM,
Thanks Man :)

Mini Dive doesn't like to brag, just something he found laying on the ocean floor ;)

Originally posted by BenDover
here is a question for all you lucky qualians that actually have their sets already, do you leave the SONY logo glowing or do you turn it off???

BenDover,
I leave my logo on. I think it adds a little class and doesn't detract from my viewing pleasure. I always have some lights on, but in a dark room it might detract.

Originally posted by mark haflich
OT. Don't believe those magazines that are reporting a MSRP of $12,000 for the Qualia 005. Expect $15,000 saith Sony sources.

Veyz meir that's a lotta gelt for an LCD. I saw it at CES. To my untrained eyes it was astonishingly beautiful yet still in the end an LCD, Kodachrome-like saturation, middling blacks and all. It may be personal bias but I still prefer plasma.

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive.

Welcome back. Hope all is well.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by BenDover
here is a question for all you lucky qualians that actually have their sets already, do you leave the SONY logo glowing or do you turn it off???

I leave it lit. I don't want to accidentally leave the set on because of a dark screen.

Dilbert1

I for one really liked the reviews in SV and WSR. Glad to see our little family is back together. Welcome back Color- and DD! Color, exciting stuff with Apple and new projects. PM, just tried the new settings, looks great! Seems like normal color width works better on SD, but I like the wide color width on HD. We need to work on getting Casey back next, see how his pc connections are going!

Oh yea, if we are a cult, we need to come of with special t-shirts and hats. Any artists in the group?

[B]Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive

welcome back diver dude, and mini dude let's all go to zman's house for a weekend q party zman, what say you?

Originally posted by apache1
[B]Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive

welcome back diver dude, and mini dude let's all go to zman's house for a weekend q party zman, what say you?

Heh, your post just made me realize that either my bbq or my q006 will have to be redesignated in my house other wise my family might be very confused this summer.

Was able to see a Qualia today (Cherry Creek, Denver). All I can say is that I was ready to spend the rest of my life in the store. For those of you who have sets, I envy you!

I hope Mini Dive came up slowly after the long dive. Welcome back! :D

C'mon zman,
sparkys back too !

Originally posted by sparkysj
Oh yea, if we are a cult, we need to come of with special t-shirts and hats.

Just don't come up with black sneakers, please. I like you guys too much.:)

Originally posted by sparkysj
PM, just tried the new settings, looks great! Seems like normal color width works better on SD, but I like the wide color width on HD.
Welcome back sparky!

I don’t watch much SD on the Qualia 006 but I hear what you’re saying about the Wide color space looking better in HD.

If people remember (brt should) I started out with Normal color space but switched to Wide color space because I thought the colors were richer (ala Perfect Vision and Sound and Vision reviewers) and I kept in on Wide for probably two months or so.

Then I started to think that “Normal” color space rendered the colors more accurate and “Wide” was making the colors look what I *wished* they looked like in real life. So I became convinced that brt was on the right track.

Then umr reveals that his testing showed the colors to be more accurate with the “Normal” setting…..so I think I’ll stay with normal for about 2 months and then when I get bored …I’ll probably give “Wide” another shot for a couple of months.

As you can tell, I think that it is very subjective and honestly I think it just kind of depends on what each individual prefers (or is in the mood for) rather than what is “correct.”

DD ....... your bubbles are showing! Welcome back ! Looks like those workouts have been good for Mini DD ...he's looking buff.

Welcome back DD! :D Hope you are doing well!

Sparkysj,
I didn't even know you were gone, but welcome back anyway!

gFrank,
Welcome and congrats!

BenDover,
Lights stay on, I think it looks cool!

I am so glad that we are one big happy family again.
To all present and future Qualians, ROCK ON!!! :D

OT. The 005=the 46" RGB diodes back lit LCD. My Sony sources say MSRP will be $15K. I've seen both and I much prefer the 006 but the 005 is much much brighter and in that sense is more vivid and dramatic. It presents a much less real picture than the 006.

Of all the 006 printed reviews, the WR seems to me to have the most useful information toward getting the best out of the set.

It is interesting re the divergence of views as to the best picture modes and color space and temperature settings.

I think there might be a lesson here. There is probably no right or best. The best settings are the ones that please you. If you want something more dramatic than pro, use another setting. Whatever YOU like best. The set gives you lots of choices.

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello Color...

I guess what I wonder now is if I should replace it now or just let it go and see how it does when I start using it with the Q...in a few more hours!

BTW, have you tried MP3 on DVD+RW? As I said, Movies work but MP3's will only work on cd media.

I have not tried playing mp3 on the 975.

Originally posted by mark haflich
OT. Don't believe those magazines that are reporting a MSRP of $12,000 for the Qualia 005. Expect $15,000 saith Sony sources.

Originally posted by BenDover
for a 46" lcd???

It's a flat panel 1080P LCD. The 1080P plasmas will probably be more expensive. The LG 71-inch 1080P plasma is $50,000.

BenDover.

I leave the logo on cause it just looks classy. (Stay Classy San Diego).

It does not distract in anyway from the set and every time I look at it I am reminded of just how lucky I am to be watching the Q.

:D Ah, one big happy family, again. Isn't this so much nicer?! :D

Welcome to latest Qualia recipients! Post #1 has been updated to include Penton-Man's settings. brt3 continues to update his website as well.

P.S. Guess I'm the first to post that I keep the Sony logo off, but I also prefer a mostly dark room with no bias lighting.

Cheers!

Originally posted by sparkysj
Oh yea, if we are a cult, we need to come of with special t-shirts and hats. Any artists in the group?
If we were a real cult, it would be special Kool-Aid we'd need to come up with . . . . :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by apache1
[B]Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive

welcome back diver dude, and mini dude let's all go to zman's house for a weekend q party zman, what say you?

...and of course you pick a weekend that I'll be away. :(

Just make sure to lock the door when you leave, and don't eat all the snacks. ;)

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Penton-Man
C'mon zman,
sparkys back too !
. . . shows how dense I am . . . I didn't even know he was gone. :(

Um, welcome back, Sparky! :confused:

Sorry that I haven't poked my nose in here for a while, but I've been busy reconnecting game systems and DirecTiVo's, connecting a new audio reciever (went with the Sony STR-DA5000ES), running speaker wire through the walls, getting my HDTiVo replaced because it has a bad HDMI, etc. etc. etc.

But I did also play with the Memory Stick capability a little bit and was able to set up pictures without the need for a Sony DigiCam . . . more on that and a full HOWTO later.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by BenDover
here is a question for all you lucky qualians that actually have their sets already, do you leave the SONY logo glowing or do you turn it off???
Aesthetic matters are always decided by Mrs. Zechman, and she says to leave it turned on. It does also double as a convenient indicator that the set is turned on--more obvious than the red/green LED at the bottom-right.

She also chose the Sony SU-SX10 stand, and I'm glad now that she did. It's just the right height, and very slick how the foot of the set fits inside the top of the stand.

--Dwayne

Thanks, JB, for updating Page 1. I saw the S&V and TPV reviews online, but has anyone posted the WSR review? Perhaps I missed it on our short little thread ..... :)

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
Thanks, JB, for updating Page 1. I saw the S&V and TPV reviews online, but has anyone posted the WSR review? Perhaps I missed it on our short little thread ..... :)

Cheers
Not yet Joel. Due out on newstands tomorrow I believe.

The first option I set was to turn it OFF! :D

Originally posted by BenDover
here is a question for all you lucky qualians that actually have their sets already, do you leave the SONY logo glowing or do you turn it off???

Originally posted by Zechman
If we were a real cult, it would be special Kool-Aid we'd need to come up with . . . . :D

--Dwayne
Don’t mean to steal your material. I’m just having too much fun this a.m.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5479355#post5479355

Well we watched our first DVD last night. The 975 and Q006 were great. Dealer said to keep the 975 and if there is any problem we can exchange it. He said that the Lock bug that he has seen can NOT be fixed by unplugging the 975.



Originally posted by colortv
I have not tried playing mp3 on the 975.

I'm surprised no one has commented yet on the photo of the stand in the Sound & Vision review (comments about the picture on the screen would be, ahem, too predictable :D)

I'm guessing the photo was photoshopped. It appears there are two smoked glass doors covering the bottom shelf space of the stand.

By the way, early on, some posters indicated they intended to cover the bottom open shelf space with some black material. Did anyone ever attempt that feat? If so, how does it look? Pictures?

OK, we have been mentioned in other threads as having nothing bad to say about our Qualia 006's.

So, I am sad to report what I can only call....

"Qualia 006...First Blood!!"

There I was last night while Mrs. MPSAN was making dinner. We had decided to watch Seabiscuit last night, but I wanted to use PM's settings first. So, in order to do this I needed to RTFM and see what some of the remotes buttons do. As I went to the small box with the manual and the all important massive brush, I got a bad paper cut from the box edge!

Q-TIP PC001 (Paper Cut)

Please let your Dealer open the package to get your brush and manual. In your excitement, you may get hurt. Do not try this at home!

OK, end of public Service Announcement...

I used PM's settings and I must say that Seabiscuit was GREAT! I have never seen grass so well presented, and the white shirts we so real!

Was that DVD a good one or can I expect even better DVD's?

When we first turned the set on (before the First Blood issue) I put on INHD and they had an art show on. There was a picture or something with tons of blue and white fibers. Amazing clarity...just amazing!

This set is way better at home than in the store...even without my Avia setup yet.

PM, with your settings it will be fun to see what AVIA suggests.

I would like to thank everyone here for all of their help!

Dave

Originally posted by mpsan
Please let your Dealer open the package to get your brush and manual. In your excitement, you may get hurt. Do not try this at home!


You must have missed the all important engraved notice sent out by Sir Penton-Man, that advised all Qualia owners to have their royal servants open the package.

:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Don’t mean to steal your material. I’m just having too much fun this a.m.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5479355#post5479355
:D :D :D
God bless Auditor55! I'm certainly not gonna fault the guy for having a healthy skepticism. He just happens to be wrong this time! :cool:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by jb007
P.S. Guess I'm the first to post that I keep the Sony logo off, but I also prefer a mostly dark room with no bias lighting.

Ditto...

While I don't have my set yet and therefore won't really know how I will actually react to the Sony logo being lit during viewing, my gut tells me that I would likely turn it off as I would see it as a distraction...we shall see.

[EDIT: I'm very happy that someone was thoughtful enough to give the user the option of turning it off :) ]

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Please do tell if mini Dive is wearing a 10K (?MSRP) Rolex submariner watch.

Think Bond, James Bond. Omega Seamaster. Mini-Dive has impeccable taste, I must say!

Originally posted by wojtek
Just don't come up with black sneakers, please. I like you guys too much.:)

I think all black t-shirts with the QUALIA script in white would be cool...

Originally posted by mpsan
I used PM's settings and I must say that Seabiscuit was GREAT! I have never seen grass so well presented...

If anyone knows his grass it's Penton-Man...

Here's some good stuff from another thread:

from RHarkness:
"The clarity, smoothness and color detail I saw from the Qualia just blows me away. I even got a chance to compare it directly to the Qualia 004 projector, in the same demo room, viewing a variety of my test DVDs. The Qualia projector had a generally more subtle, smoother and more refined look. The 006 looked a tad more crude in comparison (which could be evidence of the artificial sharpness indicated by umr). However, the 006 was impressively close and gave a good does of the qualities I saw in the Qualia projector. In fact, the 006 had some advantages in sheer punch and vividness, which lent a more palpable realism to the image over the projected image. Which may, to some people, make up for what the projector does better."

from empire_of_one:
"FWIW, the Qualia camp and the CRT camp both seem like cults to me. However, the Qualia cult seems more like the Moonies (blissful though a bit goofy) while the CRT cult seems more like the Branch Davidians (cranky and bitter)."

A Qualia Experience (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=528907&perpage=20&pagenumber=5)

"Sound & Vision" Qualia review now posted at:

My Qualia Homepage: Downloads (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

This is a big thread. I must have missed it! :D

Originally posted by jb007
You must have missed the all important engraved notice sent out by Sir Penton-Man, that advised all Qualia owners to have their royal servants open the package.

:D

Originally posted by brt3
If anyone knows his grass it's Penton-Man...
LOL.:D
Must be why I don't remember much of the late 60's.:eek:

2005 will be known as the year of Qualia Bliss.:)