Originally posted by mpsan


Was that DVD a good one or can I expect even better DVD's?

Dave

Some are great some are not. "Ray" was very good. "Riddick" was worth seeing
on the Qualia in spite of a flaky story. Rent the animation "Spirited Away" because of the beautiful pastel artwork and a fantastic story. Too many others to mention.

Dilbert1

Great! They are on my Netflix list!


Originally posted by Dilbert1
Some are great some are not. "Ray" was very good. "Riddick" was worth seeing
on the Qualia in spite of a flaky story. Rent the animation "Spirited Away" because of the beautiful pastel artwork and a fantastic story. Too many others to mention.

Dilbert1

Originally posted by brt3
Here's some good stuff from another thread:

Brt, I see you didn’t post any bad stuff from the trolls that are coming out now to pick a fight. Well done.

Now that the outsiders have read “some” of our little thread here and the “Pro” reviews are starting to hit the rags (even though I think that our thread and umr’s findings still beat any magazine reviewer’s evaluation, hands-down for completeness that I have read so far) it’s looking like great fun to watch some people on other threads procrastinate about reasons NOT to buy the 006.

Kind of reminds me of cockroaches running for cover when you used to turn on the light in dorm room in the middle of the night.

IMHO, if you want the best TV period NOW, you will purchase the 006.

If you are currently happy with what you have…… or don’t have the bucks for the 006….. or are still waiting for the “perfect” TV

.....thennnnn......you will make excuses not to make the purchase……and wait and wait and wait while all the current series go into reruns and the beginning of the baseball season turns into the beginning of the football season….and other 1080p displays that EVENTUALLY debut in the consumer market reveal their hidden flaws and unfulfilled promises.

Blissful and goofy Penton-Man who is LMAO with glee.

Originally posted by apache1
[B]Mini Dive said it was time to come up to the surface after a long dive

welcome back diver dude, and mini dude let's all go to zman's house for a weekend q party zman, what say you?

Originally posted by Zechman
...and of course you pick a weekend that I'll be away. :(

Just make sure to lock the door when you leave, and don't eat all the snacks. ;)

--Dwayne

Hey Guys,
Mini Dive is ready to party. He says he'll lock the door but can't guarantee he won't eat all the snacks :D :D

Is it my imagination or is Mini Dive putting on a few extra ounces?

Probably a few too many hours crouched in front of the electronic eye candy. Maybe a few more laps around the pool... :)

Originally posted by divedude
Hey Guys,
Mini Dive is ready to party. He says he'll lock the door but can't guarantee he won't eat all the snacks :D :D
Ah …..you just posted the REAL reason why the tourists go on live-aboard dive vacations…..not to mention the sound of pitter-pattering feet from stateroom to stateroom.:D in the middle of the night.:D

Originally posted by RonB63
Is it my imagination or is Mini Dive putting on a few extra ounces?

Probably a few too many hours crouched in front of the electronic eye candy. Maybe a few more laps around the pool... :)

RonB63,
That's the reason he's drinking the light beer. But you're right, a lot of time in front of the 006 . . . and well worth a few extra oz's :o

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah …..you just posted the REAL reason why the tourists go on live-aboard dive vacations…..not to mention the sound of pitter-pattering feet from stateroom to stateroom.:D in the middle of the night.:D

PM,
:D :D :D :D :cool:

Mini DD ?????????

Coors Lite.....I would have expected perhaps a "Red Stripe" from all his time in the Islands.

Originally posted by Penton-Man


IMHO, if you want the best TV period NOW, you will purchase the 006.

If you are currently happy with what you have…… or don’t have the bucks for the 006….. or are still waiting for the “perfect” TV

.....thennnnn......you will make excuses not to make the purchase……and wait and wait and wait while all the current series go into reruns and the beginning of the baseball season turns into the beginning of the football season….and other 1080p displays that EVENTUALLY debut in the consumer market reveal their hidden flaws and unfulfilled promises.

Blissful and goofy Penton-Man who is LMAO with glee.

That is a good summary.

Another consideration might be to spend the big money now, so you can enjoy good video, since it may very well be that 5 or 6 years from now you will get much more television for your money as the technology matures. You may not have to spend a fortune, in the future, to replace the Qualia with something better. In other words, more money now and perhaps less money later will maximize your entertainment value.

In any case, if you enjoy good movies why wait if you can afford it now.

Dilbert1

I am typing this on the Qualia right now! I am wondering if anyone else has tried getting this to work with a ATI card (using a 9800 pro with latest drivers)? I have mine working but can't get it to go 1080i (even though it claims to be sending out a 1080i 30 signal) but will not display anything. I can't wait to see this at 1920 x 1080 (I am hoping don't need to go and buy another video card to reach that point). Hope to be posting pics soon now that I have the stand and a reasonable setup in the theatre room(part of my reworking had me cut off from my computer for a couple days thus the lack of posting).

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
:D :D :D :D :cool:


Woot dive is back!! Good things do come around again :) Great to cya on the thread again hope you are in great health and feeling good.

Forgive me for not reading all of the thread but let me ask you this question--Would a great calibration job do much for the Qualia? If you saw an out of the box model and a professionally calibrated model side by side--do you think there would be much difference? Would perfect ambient lighting help much? And last but not least two questions: What things do you think Sony will IMPROVE on the set in it's next model and what things would you WANT Sony to IMPROVE on with the next model?

Originally posted by thesirjay
I am typing this on the Qualia right now! I am wondering if anyone else has tried getting this to work with a ATI card (using a 9800 pro with latest drivers)? I have mine working but can't get it to go 1080i (even though it claims to be sending out a 1080i 30 signal) but will not display anything. I can't wait to see this at 1920 x 1080 (I am hoping don't need to go and buy another video card to reach that point). Hope to be posting pics soon now that I have the stand and a reasonable setup in the theatre room(part of my reworking had me cut off from my computer for a couple days thus the lack of posting).

Once I get my Q, I will be hooking it up to an HTPC...might have to be my existing rig for now since if I spend any more money on toys my wife will leave me :)

My current rig has an ATI X800 Platinum; I've also got a few other flavors of ATI I can play with (AIW 9800 Pro, AIW 8500 Pro and some lesser ATI 9000 series).

What is Zech connecting to his Q?

Originally posted by thesirjay
Woot dive is back!! Good things do come around again :) Great to cya on the thread again hope you are in great health and feeling good.

thesirjay and everyone,
I am feeling better, some of the medicine may be working. I really appreciate the concern and good wishes you all expressed. And a special thanks to Dwayne for using his 100 th. post to wish me well :)

Originally posted by Artwood
Forgive me for not reading all of the thread but let me ask you this question--Would a great calibration job do much for the Qualia? If you saw an out of the box model and a professionally calibrated model side by side--do you think there would be much difference? Would perfect ambient lighting help much? And last but not least two questions: What things do you think Sony will IMPROVE on the set in it's next model and what things would you WANT Sony to IMPROVE on with the next model?

1. So far, only umr has done a calibration of a 006, that we are aware of. He is planning on calibrating a couple of more 006s and feels then, he will have a better feel for what calibration does for the 006. The current answers are, the 006 looks outstanding out of the box, but it can be improved even more through calibration. No one has yet reported on a side by side comparison, but I'm sure that will be forthcoming in the near future.

2. Some owners really feel ambient lighting helps tremendously, others do not. I think this is really a subjective question.

3. I have no idea what Sony would do to improve on the next model. Lower price? 1080p input?

4. What improvements would I like to see? Same as 3 above; lower price, 1080p input (I guess, since everyone seems to feel it may be important), another couple HDMI inputs, and a better (Qualia style) remote control. In years to come, 3-D holographic images, automatic cover, built-in toaster :D

On that qualia remote I would want to see someone finally implement a mute button that works correctly...when I press the mute button I don't want to hear my wife asking me to lower the volume!

Originally posted by editor58
Here's where the push has to come from. BETTER source material.

It is the best of sets, and the worst of times. Commissioner Powell is on the right track. Digital HD-TV is really the only watchable game in town. The investment the networks have to make is going to cost a fortune. Every Camera, Every Edit room. 4 TIMES the Drive space for Video Storage, Bandwidth issues, and the list goes on.

The 006 is way ahead of its time. Will the technology catch up yes... will I own an 006 or an 012 by the time that happens? There are 200+ pages in this thread. If we all FLOOD the Cable Companies' and Direct TV's E-mail boxes with DEMANDS for content, they're going to have to listen. VOOM is dead... that's scary.

EDITOR

Artwoooooood !
As an aside, I think I found your soulmate on this thread.:D

Originally posted by BenDover
What is Zech connecting to his Q?
Right now, a series-1 DirecTiVo and a brand new HDTiVo that has a working HDMI. And an XBox. JVC DVHS deck is on the way.

So far, haven't done any playing with the PC, except trying out the firewire. I have a completely pie-in-the-sky conjecture that just because 1080p60 doesn't work via HDMI, that doesn't mean that it isn't possible through iLink.

Also, I spent a lot of time tonight working on the HDTiVo to allow it to do something that AVS prohibits discussion of. Please don't ask. (It's related to DVHS . . . .) [Edit: No, I'm not stealing service, either.]

The flagship PC in the house (there are seven, total) has an ATI 9600 Pro card and is the only one with DVI output. So that will be the baseline for experimentation. I'm about due for an upgrade there, but after dropping two-and-a-half reams of Penton-Paper on a TV and following it up with another $3K in sound gear, Mrs. Zechman would not be amused.

And I still gotta put the damn taxes in the mail! :rolleyes:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Artwood
. . . and what things would you WANT Sony to IMPROVE on with the next model?
1) 1080p60 (and 24 and 48) input via HDMI, iLink, and component. (That's a gimme!)
2) Based on UMR's review, a direct-to-screen mode with no processing whatsoever. (It seems we don't actually have that, at least via HDMI.)
3) When digital sound data is sent in via HDMI or iLink, output that sound stream via the existing digital audio out, not just from the internal ATSC tuner.
4) Windows XP drivers for using the 006 as a display via iLink/Firewire/1394.
5) Allow TwinView to display two HD sources side-by-side.
6) An SLink/Control-A II port that sends audio source selection signals to a compatible Sony audio receiver--or changes video inputs in response to signals from the receiver.
7) Firmware updates via Memory Stick (which may already be the case, does anyone know?)
8) More than three video modes (vivid, normal, pro) and/or having all settings available on all 3+ modes (instead of ONLY pro).

--Dwayne

P.S. watch now as all of these "flaws" are used as justifications not to buy the 006 . . . . :rolleyes:

Originally posted by Artwood
Forgive me for not reading all of the thread but let me ask you this question--Would a great calibration job do much for the Qualia? If you saw an out of the box model and a professionally calibrated model side by side--do you think there would be much difference? Would perfect ambient lighting help much? And last but not least two questions: What things do you think Sony will IMPROVE on the set in it's next model and what things would you WANT Sony to IMPROVE on with the next model?

Calibration: the jury's still out on that one. UMR has performed the only Q006 calibration we're aware of, and (I think) the consensus was that he couldn't really take the set to where he thought it would go without detailed factory service codes. My feeling is that a good ISF calibration -- by someone who knows what they're doing and who really knows this set -- would make a discernable improvement. One ISF tech I know charges $1K to perform this service, but most techs would charge around $500 -- depending on whether or not they're local and how much time they spend with the set. To me $500 would be a worthwhile investment; as soon as I find someone in my area who really knows the set I'll likely spring for calibration.

I would like to see the following improvements made (though I'm aware that some are not practical):
• built-in bias lighting on the top/rear of the housing. This could be an optional add-on that worked for all of Sony's large RPTV sets. Not having to jury-rig something with Velcro® would be nice; maybe Sony could work together with Ideal-Lume?
• even better blacks. Though the set is very, very good it does not give the ultimate level of performance in this regard. DLP has improved greatly since its' debut; I have no reason to doubt that future generations of SXRD will offer improved performance as well.
• proper acceptance of 1080P sources.
• more HDMI inputs -- four sounds about right to me.
• assignable buttons on the remote for direct access to inputs/sources. I'd like to be able to press "DVD", for example, instead of rambling through the active inputs until I reach the promised land...
• an optional stand that is closer in dimensions to the "foot" of the set -- though this may be difficult to pull off, what with the laws of physics and all that other nonsense.
• if it lives up to the massive hype, wouldn't it be nice to have the Realta chip built in for scaling and deinterlacing? On a high-end set this would be a godsend, and might improve certain SD sources (you know who you are) to watchable status.
• "infinitely" variable iris ala Q004 -- this would really allow you to fine-tune the set for your preferences and the lighting conditions of the room.
• more extensive cooling that would allow the fans to be nearly silent. I know, I know -- this is getting damn picky, but this is a "perfect world" scenario, right? As it is you can only hear the fans during very quiet (or dead silent) passages of a film.
• include a free Qualia T-shirt with each set; after all, Ducati gave me one with my MH900e...

WOW -- go to the Qualia Webpage (http://www.qualia.sony.us/qualia_main.cgi) and look under "Future Product" -- they're introducing the Qualia 002 HDV camcorder! Not certain (yet) how it's different than their other 2 (consumer and pro) HDV offerings...

"The introduction of the QUALIA 002 puts an incredibly powerful, state of the art creative tool in your hands. It is the very best, most complete High Definition Video camera offered by Sony.

QUALIA 002 features the unmatched quality of Carl Zeiss lenses [must be interchangeable!], as well as a true 16x9 aspect ratio LCD screen. The specially selected CCDs at the heart of the video system create images of unparalleled depth, accuracy, and richness. The three-capsule microphone system possesses great sensitivity, creating life-like soundscapes. QUALIA 002 is a complete system, providing you with the full complement of tools you need to create stunning video, including a handsome leather shoulder strap, shoulder brace, extended-life battery, as well as a high-speed battery charger."

Originally posted by brt3
"The introduction of the QUALIA 002 puts an incredibly powerful, state of the art creative tool in your hands. It is the very best, most complete High Definition Video camera offered by Sony.

QUALIA 002 features the unmatched quality of Carl Zeiss lenses [must be interchangeable!], as well as a true 16x9 aspect ratio LCD screen. The specially selected CCDs at the heart of the video system create images of unparalleled depth, accuracy, and richness. The three-capsule microphone system possesses great sensitivity, creating life-like soundscapes. QUALIA 002 is a complete system, providing you with the full complement of tools you need to create stunning video, including a handsome leather shoulder strap, shoulder brace, extended-life battery, as well as a high-speed battery charger."

I see a peacock sniffing around ;)

fyi - I hooked up my PC to the 006 using a DVI to HDMI. My video card is a WinFast A310 using an NVidia GeForce FX 5600 chip. The PC correctly recognized the "display" as a Sony HDTV and offered me various resolutions, including1920x1080x60Hz which worked fine. It showed the Windows desktop across the entire screen - in fact it went a bit beyond the display area. There is an option buried somewhere deep down in the GeForce specific display properties to "reduce overscan" to see the entire desktop. When this is enabled the entire desktop is visible.

I assume that this was running interlaced because when I ran a slide show with fading from one shot to the next the picture seemed to flicker a bit during the fade, PowerStrip indicated it was indeed running at 60Hz.

The slide show was superb!

Originally posted by jb007
I see a peacock sniffing around ;)

I suspected as much...

I have several questions that other Qualia owners might be able to answer for me.

How to I get into the Advanced Programming menu ?

Is any other Qualia owner using a Motorola HDD200 with the 169 Time firewire modification ?

Stew

Originally posted by jb007
I see a peacock sniffing around ;)

Haha!

I bet this is the Qualia version of Sony's other HDV camcorders. Let's face it, other than the 006, there's not much for a Qualia salesman to peddle. A Qualia minidisc player? In these days of the iPod?

Originally posted by colortv
I bet this is the Qualia version of Sony's other HDV camcorders. Let's face it, other than the 006, there's not much for a Qualia salesman to peddle. A Qualia minidisc player? In these days of the iPod?

colortv,

Does this look like it might use interchangeable lenses? I thought the other Sony HDV cameras had a fixed lens...

As far as the lineup of Qualia products -- except for the two (soon to be three) video displays, they all seem like pretty useless toys. The camera and minidisc player are cool but practically useless. The headphones are nice, but I doubt they blow away the top-end Stax models. The HDV-cam will be nice if it adds any useful features to the existing models...

Gotta get some sleep; if I can squeeze it in I'll pop into the Qualia/NYC store tomorrow. Will post if I get to compare video displays...

Originally posted by Artwood
...what things would you WANT Sony to IMPROVE on with the next model?

The remote...back-lit?

Hi, Q006 owners! Wondering if any one can help me out:
Delivery company took my Q006 with the UPC number on it. I need it for my Sony card redemption. Anyone keep their UPC sticker or their box?

Thanks!
EL

Originally posted by brt3
colortv,

Does this look like it might use interchangeable lenses? I thought the other Sony HDV cameras had a fixed lens...

Nope. I just closely compared the Qualia 002 slice with a pic of the Sony HDV Z1 taken from the same angle. It's the same camera, and no interchangeable lens. Perhaps the feature set is somewhere between the pro and consumer versions. Hopefully not a premium "Qualia pricetag" to boot.

Is sex a let down after experiencing Qualia ownership? Have you ever been unfaithful and looked at other displays? Is this the only thread that has plants that love to look at themselves in the mirror? If UMR can significantly IMPROVE on perfection will he be labeled a heretic ? One thing I do like about Qualia owners is that they look down on Plasma afficiandos like they're yesterday's news. For all the people who have put me on their ignore list just remember what Merlin said in Excalibur--"I'm a dream to some--a nightmare to others!"

Truth is the Q006 STOMPS the Mits 82"Alpha which is also the biggest ripoff in HDTV today (20 grand yeah right). So some have to resort way down to the lowly 5G 73" for comparisons sake...you can just smell the envy.

If 006 has PC VGA or DVI input, can someone post the pictures
***similar*** to this one taken from JVC thread about their new D-ILA

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=235661
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=235659

to compare chromatic aberrations / misconvergence / RGB signal delays / other cumulative crap ?

Originally posted by 4K display
Truth is the Q006 STOMPS the Mits 82"Alpha which is also the biggest ripoff in HDTV today (20 grand yeah right). So some have to resort way down to the lowly 5G 73" for comparisons sake...you can just smell the envy.


In case someone who is not going to buy a Qualia is interested I saw the 82" Mits at the Video & Audio Center, 4401 West Redondon Beach Boulevard, Torrance, CA for more than 50% off the list price.
They had it displayed in a darkened area to overcome the lack of contrast.

Stewman

Did you ever take delivery of your 006 from Abt?

Originally posted by colortv
Haha!

I bet this is the Qualia version of Sony's other HDV camcorders. Let's face it, other than the 006, there's not much for a Qualia salesman to peddle. A Qualia minidisc player? In these days of the iPod?

The SACD player (010?) is (and sounds) beautiful but overpriced. Then there's always the Q004 projector and a now outmoded 016 camera that WAS popular. I'm rather surprised Sony hasn't done a Qualia cellphone somewhat along the lines of the Nokia Vertu.

Originally posted by kanebear
The SACD player (010?) is (and sounds) beautiful but overpriced. Then there's always the Q004 projector and a now outmoded 016 camera that WAS popular. I'm rather surprised Sony hasn't done a Qualia cellphone somewhat along the lines of the Nokia Vertu.

The interview with Perry from Aerosmith in this month's S&V has Perry saying that Sony isn't going to be putting out SACDs anymore...

Hello ALL:

Quick question...How do you watch your DVD's? Do any of you use any of the Q's stretch modes?

TIA

Originally posted by BenDover
The interview with Perry from Aerosmith in this month's S&V has Perry saying that Sony isn't going to be putting out SACDs anymore...

[Going further OT here] This isn't much of a surprise. Were Sony serious about the format they'd have rolled out car units and portables shortly after SACD's debut. Instead it seemed as though it were left to languish and die right from the start. I don't know how Sony planned to make a format fly without mobility options. Even if you can't hear the sonic superiority while on the move you still want to be able to play the music.

OTOH, with the high-rez 'lossless' options in Blu-Ray and HD-DVD perhaps we've evolved beyond the need for a dedicated audio-only carrier?

[Back on topic]

As umr is so close I'm going to have him come down once I've got the 006 and have broken the 100 hour barrier... anyone see a problem with running it 24/7 on HDnet for a few days? :D:D:D

Just wanted to let all the Q wannabees know that Sound Advice (now Tweeters) has a bunch of Q's in their South Florida warehouse and with a little negotiation is offering $1,000 off.

Very funny post, Artwood ... you are not on my ignore list. I hope sex isn't a letdown after my 006 arrives!!! :) That would be a drawback to the set that would change my mind about it!!! lol

And I don't look down on plasma/LCD users, I am one!

Cheers

Originally posted by Xeye
If 006 has PC VGA or DVI input, can someone post the pictures
***similar*** to this one taken from JVC thread about their new D-ILA



to compare chromatic aberrations / misconvergence / RGB signal delays / other cumulative crap ?

I have some shots of my 006 that I can post...

Originally posted by Xeye
If 006 has PC VGA or DVI input, can someone post the pictures
***similar*** to this one taken from JVC thread about their new D-ILA

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=235661
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=235659

to compare chromatic aberrations / misconvergence / RGB signal delays / other cumulative crap ?

Here are some links to shots on my 006. The last one shows the resolution options available ( 480p, 720p and 1080i). I have it running at 1080i. These images are heavily jpg compressed, but you get the idea. In person the text is cleaner.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236438
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236447
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236448

Originally posted by jiminy
Here are some links to shots on my 006. The last one shows the resolution options available ( 480p, 720p and 1080i). I have it running at 1080i. These images are heavily jpg compressed, but you get the idea. In person the text is cleaner.

Very cool :cool:

Originally posted by jiminy
Here are some links to shots on my 006. The last one shows the resolution options available ( 480p, 720p and 1080i). I have it running at 1080i. These images are heavily jpg compressed, but you get the idea. In person the text is cleaner.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236438
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236447
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236448

I think these shots really sum it up...they put the shots from the D-ILA to shame.

Thanks jiminy

anyone planning on getting the qualia 001 outboard scaler? wonder if there will be any real use for it on the 006. It will have to offer something special at it high pricetag of ~$6000.

Originally posted by jiminy
Here are some links to shots on my 006. The last one shows the resolution options available ( 480p, 720p and 1080i). I have it running at 1080i. These images are heavily jpg compressed, but you get the idea. In person the text is cleaner.

http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236438
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236447
http://www.imagedump.com/index.cgi?pick=get&tp=236448



wow....hats off... I expected everything but not that
kind of quality which is really shocking for 3-chip design

thanks jiminy

I hadn't heard that Sony had any plans to market the 001 outside Japan. I Think the 006 probably has most of it anyhow. But I could be wrong.

Cheers

Originally posted by jiminy
Here are some links to shots on my 006....
Very nice. I had observed the same thing on mine using the "convergence" patterns on Avia, but didn't have the chance to go back and take pictures. I was planning on cooking up a test pattern jpeg via memory stick at exactly 1920x1080 with 1- and 2-pixel lines to investigate chromatic aberrations further--but you beat me to it.

Considering the pricetag, I'd expect Qualia to use high-quality optics. This was the core of the CA problem with the cheaper D-ILA sets.

Then again, this is an area where Sony could save on cost in a less expensive XBR model. Time will tell.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Joel

Cheers
I’ve noticed as Joel’s time to delivery decreases, his post rate here is increasing in an inversely proportional manner.

Tell me Joel, are you going to reach a crescendo the day before delivery?
I’m starting to feel your excitement.:)

Honestly, seeing each of you guys anticipate and eventually take delivery of your TV's allows all the first wavers to relive the experience...over and over......and over.:cool:

:D Caught red-handed! Hey, I can't wait. But it appears I'll have to. No date yet. I'm glad we are allowing you to re-live that excitement that you felt oh-so-long-ago, not that you're BORED or anything.... lol

But on some of the other threads, Qualians are accused of taking delivery pix just to re-live our deliveries. I think I'll spare the family album that particular experience.

Cheers!

Originally posted by Joel
[BBut on some of the other threads, Qualians are accused of taking delivery pix just to re-live our deliveries. [/B]
LMAO…..pure unadulterated jealousy!

They only wish they owned one…..like a couple of the trolls on the “Qualia Experience” thread that are driving poor umr to the brink.

NOTHING can ruin the vibe I have for Qualiavision on a Friday night !:D

I agree, this troll thing is getting really old. It serves no useful purpose to be so critical about a set that the poster hasn't seen. Time to start handing out suspension or cancellations of posting privileges.

I do have a legit question.

In one of the reviews, something was said about circumstances where the iris system doesn't read the scene correctly. I believe it was a predominately dark scene with a very bright area. The system was picking up the bright spot and not closing the iris down.

In real world terms, does this even show up?? Perhaps one of the cave scenes in Lord of the Rings would be a good test.

NEWSFLASH: Since my last post, I got THE CALL. My 006 has arrived at Sony! Shipper picks it up Monday, delivered some time next week. Be still, my heart...

So much to do, so much to do ..... :) Great news for my Friday.

And, BTW, I don't see Artwood as a troll, although I really wish he would go look at a 006.

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
NEWSFLASH: Since my last post, I got THE CALL. My 006 has arrived at Sony! Shipper picks it up Monday, delivered some time next week. Be still, my heart...

So much to do, so much to do ..... :) Great news for my Friday.

And, BTW, I don't see Artwood as a troll, although I really wish he would go look at a 006.

Cheers

Joel,

C O N G R A T U L A T I O N S ! ! !

jb007

P.S. Sounds like an inviation to Artwood :D

Thanks, neighbor! And Artwood is welcome anytime to stop by and see the 006!

Cheers

Originally posted by jb007
What improvements would I like to see?

I have a simple improvement/addition I wish the 006 had - a monitor A/V output. I have an A/V distribution to some other rooms in my home and like to feed the same source output to other TV's, so there is no time delay in the audio. Other HDTV's / SAT receivers I have down-convert the HD signal and send it through the composite outputs. But I knew this going in and it didn't discourage me from buying the 006.

Should 007 be expected to take a look at 006?

Originally posted by Zechman
Very nice. I had observed the same thing on mine using the "convergence" patterns on Avia, but didn't have the chance to go back and take pictures. I was planning on cooking up a test pattern jpeg via memory stick at exactly 1920x1080 with 1- and 2-pixel lines to investigate chromatic aberrations further--but you beat me to it.

Considering the pricetag, I'd expect Qualia to use high-quality optics. This was the core of the CA problem with the cheaper D-ILA sets.

Then again, this is an area where Sony could save o Stilln cost in a less expensive XBR model. Time will tell.

--Dwayne
From my investigation, the main downside of 1080i rather than 1080p, at least from a PC driving it perspective is the flicker that you get anytime anything moves. For example scrolling a dialog box clicking the up or down arrow shows a lot of flicker and jumping around of what is in the dialog box. Whereas if you run it at 720p ( or any progressive resolution ) the dialog box scrolls smoothly just as it does on the computer monitor. This is particularly annoying when fading from one picture to another using say PhotoShop Album for a slide show. The next photo fading in behind the first one shows a noticable flicker on the screen. I had to change the transition effect from Fade to None, since the flicker bothers me. Running at 720p removes this flicker, but you also suffer a fairly noticable loss in resolution in the photos. Still, the 006 is a great way to look at your photos even with this minor glitch.

Originally posted by jiminy
From my investigation, the main downside of 1080i rather than 1080p, at least from a PC driving it perspective is the flicker that you get anytime anything moves. For example scrolling a dialog box clicking the up or down arrow shows a lot of flicker and jumping around of what is in the dialog box. Whereas if you run it at 720p ( or any progressive resolution ) the dialog box scrolls smoothly just as it does on the computer monitor. This is particularly annoying when fading from one picture to another using say PhotoShop Album for a slide show. The next photo fading in behind the first one shows a noticable flicker on the screen. I had to change the transition effect from Fade to None, since the flicker bothers me. Running at 720p removes this flicker, but you also suffer a fairly noticable loss in resolution in the photos. Still, the 006 is a great way to look at your photos even with this minor glitch.

I think this is related to the union with a PC and probably requires some investigation/tweaking of the PC connection/settings.

After a long time tweaking I am able to view things nicely at 720p but no luck at all with 1080i (ati radeon 9800 pro 128 with latest media center). Just a hint for all of you using ATI... do not use the setting fill whole screen in attributes use CENTER. This will allow you to tweak it for a perfect fit by adding another custom setting (1216 x 768 works quite nicely for 720p). I may have to break down and buy another video card just to see 1080i I hate having the lower rez (even if it is preferable for moving objects).

Artwood,

You're crusin' for a bruisin'

The Sony 006, Object if Desire.

Joel, where did you order yours and WHEN!!??

(Green with envy, yes I AM!)

006 owners could one of you do me a favor and measure the set from a perspective of looking down from the top? I need to know how the set angles from the front to back and width of the back of the set. The diagram on brt3 website shows the angles from a side perspective, but not from a top perspective.

Thanks in advance!

Just saw "Full Metal Jacket" in full HD. Still a great movie, especially with a great surround system. Quote, " you people are no longer maggots, you are now QUALIANS!!"

Well, Joel's news prompted me to ping Josh about my status and apparently I'm number two on the list and am possibly looking at next week.

Congrats, BenDover, you know I was just thinking, I seem to use your name a lot in my medical practice!! No offense.

Originally posted by sparkysj
Congrats, BenDover, you know I was just thinking, I seem to use your name a lot in my medical practice!! No offense.
Lol

Originally posted by BenDover
Well, Joel's news prompted me to ping Josh about my status and apparently I'm number two on the list and am possibly looking at next week.
Tell Eileen that she aint goin to see much of you next week then.:)

Hey Guys,

My advice if you all have any money left over after getting the 006, is to get the best surround sound system you can. Since you are going to have the best TV in the world, a good sound, like 7.1 really enhances the whole experience!

I have a Yamaha RX-Z9 sitting in the box along with speakers for a 9.2 system (Yamaha's "presence" speakers).

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Tell Eileen that she aint goin to see much of you next week then.:)

Penton, I would say just a week behind the set, and another week just staring at the picture with marvel, but unable to actually comprehend any content. You can ask Mrs. Sparky about that!

Originally posted by BenDover
I have a Yamaha RX-Z9 sitting in the box along with speakers for a 9.2 system (Yamaha's "presence" speakers).

Dang Ben!!! How are you going to sleep at night until the 006 gets there!:)

MechoShade

I will have about 18' of fixed windows on the oposite wall from the Q. My architect recommended I check out the shade system mentioned above. Their website looks like they make some various serious stuff.

Anyone here with an opinion of this company or their products?

Thanks - Ron

P.S. less than 2 weeks to HE2005 in NY.

Originally posted by JimP
I agree, this troll thing is getting really old. It serves no useful purpose to be so critical about a set that the poster hasn't seen.
Jim, I just read the WSR review (by Mike Marks) of the 006. Last sentence of article…..”If I had the space and funds for it, I would buy it without hesitation.”

What the *inner self* in all of them are saying to themselves.
Still LMAO at all the wanabees that pretend not to be.

P.S.
Third sentence from the end….”While certainly not cheap, the BEST never is.”:D

I finally gave up on the ole Radeon. Bought myself a cheapie nvidia 5200 fx. Boy 1920 x 1080 60 refresh is sharp but it feels very choppy (motion sensitive). You can tell that it must be getting way chopped down by the Qualia. No way this is a 60 fps non interlaced. Btw make sure you download latest nvidia drivers otherwise it will not work with the Qualia (wasted a bit of time finding out that).

Originally posted by thesirjay
I finally gave up on the ole Radeon. Bought myself a cheapie nvidia 5200 fx. Boy 1920 x 1080 60 refresh is sharp but it feels very choppy (motion sensitive). You can tell that it must be getting way chopped down by the Qualia. No way this is a 60 fps non interlaced. Btw make sure you download latest nvidia drivers otherwise it will not work with the Qualia (wasted a bit of time finding out that).

The 5200 is a good chip but not terribly powerful so you may be seeing low FPS due to a lack of GPU horsepower... that would look quite choppy if the GPU couldn't keep up. 1920x1080 is a hell of a strain on the video subsystem... that's a LOT of pixels to push at 32 bit colordepth.

I have an HTPC waiting for the 006 and have a 6600GT, 6800 (non-GT nor Ultra to get the hardware video engine) and X850 XT PCI-E cards waiting to see what does what. I love ATI cards for their performance and image quality but they're SUCH a bitch to use. Sadly Nvidia really seems to have the upper hand when it comes to compatibility and ease of configuration.

the x850xt pci-e should fare quite well...helluva gpu plus nice fat pipe using pci-e

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Jim, I just read the WSR review (by Mike Marks) of the 006. Last sentence of article…..”If I had the space and funds for it, I would buy it without hesitation.”

What the *inner self* in all of them are saying to themselves.
Still LMAO at all the wanabees that pretend not to be.

P.S.
Third sentence from the end….”While certainly not cheap, the BEST never is.”:D

I don't think I've ever read a review in WSR where the writer actually wanted to buy the product and really come across so sincere.

what happened to editor58...i was looking forward to his critical assessment of the Q

Originally posted by bobhoppel
Stewman

Did you ever take delivery of your 006 from Abt?

It arrived last Thursday. Two rather large people carried it to the back door, took it out of the box and brought it into the house. Then they carried the old 60" Mits away. The Qualia is awesome. Even better than I expected. The PQ is terrific. I am using it for OTA, 4DTV C-band and D-vhs as well as an older DVD that outputs 480i.
I have made several hi def tapes off of the c-band output via a 169time firewire conversion and you cannot tell they are tapes and not live feeds.

The only thing I have not been able to do yet is feed the Qualia the live feed for viewing via firewire while it is being recorded. I have to use component video.

Originally posted by thestewman
It arrived last Thursday. Two rather large people carried it to the back door, took it out of the box and brought it into the house. Then they carried the old 60" Mits away. The Qualia is awesome. Even better than I expected. The PQ is terrific. I am using it for OTA, 4DTV C-band and D-vhs as well as an older DVD that outputs 480i.
I have made several hi def tapes off of the c-band output via a 169time firewire conversion and you cannot tell they are tapes and not live feeds.

The only thing I have not been able to do yet is feed the Qualia the live feed for viewing via firewire while it is being recorded. I have to use component video.

I don't think the Qualia 'understands' the output from the AVX-1. I'd thought it was specifically set up to output either to a DVHS deck or to a PC running DVHSTool. Which D-VHS deck do you have? If you have the 5U you might be able to get around using the component input by 'tuning' the VCR to the firewire input and monitoring the live feed over HDMI. Of course your VCR would have to be on to watch C-band but as it wouldn't need to be recording it's not a wear issue.

Originally posted by BenDover
what happened to editor58...i was looking forward to his critical assessment of the Q

I wrote something last Tuesday. Oh and BTW I just posted 3 IR Files at Remote Central. www.remotecentral.com (http://www.remotecentral.com). The Files are .cml (Command Libraries).
I have an RTI T2+. We use the RP-6 and the RF Module. The Files are for:

The Qualia 006 (of Course) Including all Descreat Video Codes & Video 7
The Fosgate FAP-1 Surround Sound Processor
The Sony DVP-975 (HDMI) DVD Player

If you can use a CML File and Need codes, Let me know.

Editor

Sorry, you did post something...working crazy hours lately and all my days are washing together :)

Any updates now that you've had it for some time? Any settings?

Hey, Artwood, but 007 (jb007, that is) already owns a 006! :)

Good news, BenDover!

Does someone have a link or a .PDF of the WSR review? Thanks in advance.

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
Does someone have a link or a .PDF of the WSR review? Thanks in advance.

I don't own a scanner, and am on the road until Tuesday. If someone wants to either scan the text or enter it into a word processor I will post it on my website. If you're willing to do this please go to my website and click on the send message button, which will reach me via email (which I check more often than PM)...

Are there "Descreat Video Codes" posted for the RS 15-2117 via JP1 yet?

TIA

Originally posted by editor58
I wrote something last Tuesday. Oh and BTW I just posted 3 IR Files at Remote Central. www.remotecentral.com (http://www.remotecentral.com). The Files are .cml (Command Libraries).
I have an RTI T2+. We use the RP-6 and the RF Module. The Files are for:

The Qualia 006 (of Course) Including all Descreat Video Codes & Video 7
The Fosgate FAP-1 Surround Sound Processor
The Sony DVP-975 (HDMI) DVD Player

If you can use a CML File and Need codes, Let me know.

Editor

If I was invited to a Qualia owner's house to view the Qualia--came and watched without a negative coment and went home--would I be accepted as Qualialess trash?

Artwood,

You could come over and watch mine. Grill some elitist steaks, drink some elitist wine and just enjoy the show. Isn't that why we all buy nice displays.......Now after all that, if ya talked smack about my setup I'd have to thump some sense into you. lol


Anyone else notice that Mini-Dive has really big nuts?

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Anyone else notice that Mini-Dive has really big nuts?

Now THAT'S why I hang out on this thread!

:D

Yeah -and he's always hard (Mini Dive that is)
What's up with that?

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Anyone else notice that Mini-Dive has really big nuts?

MM,
Mini Dive has something bigger than really big nuts, as a matter of fact, it's HUGE :D Take a look . . .

Originally posted by divedude
MM,
Mini Dive has something bigger than really big nuts, as a matter of fact, it's HUGE :D Take a look . . .
Interesting. Was that just a commercial or some race on OLN ????

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Interesting. Was that just a commercial or some race on OLN ????

PM,
It was a race on HDNet a few minutes ago.

Originally posted by Artwood
Is sex a let down after experiencing Qualia ownership? Have you ever been unfaithful and looked at other displays? Is this the only thread that has plants that love to look at themselves in the mirror? If UMR can significantly IMPROVE on perfection will he be labeled a heretic ? One thing I do like about Qualia owners is that they look down on Plasma afficiandos like they're yesterday's news. For all the people who have put me on their ignore list just remember what Merlin said in Excalibur--"I'm a dream to some--a nightmare to others!"
Is sex a let down after experiencing Qualia ownership?
Nope, because we show our “home movies” on it that the wife and Eyes make which gets Mr. Happy ready for the next round of naughtiness.

Have you ever been unfaithful and looked at other displays?
Yup, looked at everything that twasn’t a front projector at one of the shows, missed Vegas, still owe Rogo a dinner….was thinking about asking you to join us(as I mentioned on the “Sony jumps thread) but apparently your preferred food of choice now is SOUR GRAPES.

Is this the only thread that has plants that love to look at themselves in the mirror?
N/A(Not Applicable). All Sony personnel are scrambling to do their jobs to perfection for fear of being fired by Sir Howard, no time to spend on this forum, hell, the guys in the SonyStyle stores don’t even have time to set up the 006’s properly for the viewing public in general. Not to mention the fact that most industry insiders (from every company) think of this forum as a vehicle for some to engage in mental masturbation rather than enjoying whatever they own.

If UMR can significantly IMPROVE on perfection will he be labeled a heretic ?
Not at all. He has already improved it for Ted and umr has for the most part been applauded for it. (Artwood, you’ve got to keep up with this thread – I suspect you don’t even read responses to your questions as noted below.)
If he can “significantly” improve it, we may all hire him for a national tour as we all be “elitists” with fat wallets.

For all the people who have put me on their ignore list just remember what Merlin said in Excalibur--"I'm a dream to some--a nightmare to others!"
I don’t understand that statement at all….. as you received multiple quick genuine answers to your initial query which were truthful. You must be joking or else I suspect that you are now making posts on this thread simply to evoke a rise out of some people when you never really go back to see if anyone responded to your question in the first place.

Now I ask…How come you got so mean since the “Sony jumps” thread?
Never mind, I probably won’t read your response anyway because now I don’t consider you to be a “dream” or a “nightmare” just an insignificant gnat to ignore….as evidenced by your last several posts which show a pattern to simply provoke us Qualians.

Aint gonna work, were having too much blissful fun watching the “Big Chill” on our 006’s.
Good-bye.

Originally posted by brt3
which will reach me via email (which I check more often than PM)...
Geez, is it that obvious?

-I hardly ever check my e-mail,
-I find it difficult to check my PM box here unless somebody gives me a heads-up,
-often the recorder on the phone fills to capacity and people try to leave messages when there aint no more space left on it
…..and I got all these checks(four figure or more) made out to me (being the elitist that I am) scattered around the house that I haven’t taken the time to deposit in the bank ….for which my wife breaks my balls everytime she comes across one.

So waz up?
I be watching my 006 toooooo much.:D

Well guys,
I’m startin to get itchy to accessorize the 006 again…. so I be lookin now at that Sony HDD500 that some of you were talkin about a few pages back.

After a quick perusal of the manual, it looks like it has only one tuner and no firewire – but for my particular application and set of circumstances (the Adelphia Moxi gives me a whopping 10-12 hours of hi-def recording)….it may just fit in rather nicely as a second box to complement my cable company DVR.

SonyStyle web page says due out toward the end of May .....and I mean are there really any other choices for us out there? I don't even know if that Mits DVR has made it to the market and wasn't the MSRP on that thing going to be $2K for a tiny hard drive capacity too boot?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well guys,
I’m startin to get itchy to accessorize the 006 again…. so I be lookin now at that Sony HDD500 that some of you were talkin about a few pages back.


Guys,
Speaking of accessories, I went out today and brought the HDTivo unit. I don't have a cable option out in the country. Anyway, I can record HD both off-air and SAT, and I got a good deal on it ;)

While talking to Direct to have it setup, I asked what was going to happen when the new mp4 SAT's are activated. The guy said he understood a software update would be downloaded. I hope that is true. But just in case, I got a replacement guarantee. :D

Originally posted by divedude
Guys,
Speaking of accessories, :D
It sure is nice to see you and miniDive posting here regularly again.:)

I think it be good for both the spirit AND the heart.

For ya'll here in Texas,

The Ultimate Electronics stores in Texas are closing down and they said the liquidators will be in next week. Might be a good chance to get some deals. They have lots of cables.

Brt-
Just checked out your Qualia 006 homepage again.

Elmo looks great !
How about an attached bio…is that possible?

Also I notice there is one free space in “Special Interest” for a little diver dude we all know.

Penton-Man: Thanks! You remind me so much of myself!

Originally posted by divedude
Guys,
Speaking of accessories, I went out today and brought the HDTivo unit. I don't have a cable option out in the country. Anyway, I can record HD both off-air and SAT, and I got a good deal on it ;)

While talking to Direct to have it setup, I asked what was going to happen when the new mp4 SAT's are activated. The guy said he understood a software update would be downloaded. I hope that is true. But just in case, I got a replacement guarantee. :D

DD: First rule of DirecTV- DON'T BELIEVE THE CSR'S. While I'm so glad to read that you have the elitist HDTivo to go with the most elitist of TV's I am sorry to report to you that the CSR has no Idea what He\She is talking about! At some point you'll get a nice offer from the fine folks at DirecTV to remove your elitist HDTivo and have it replaced with a even more elitist Home Media Center or Directv DVR unit.....Until then enjoy that Tivo!!!



HDTivo owner and Q006 wannabee

can you tell that PM has got me into using an "elitist" word!

Well folks I wanted to see how umr’s technical findings so graciously posted for us (thanks umr) translated into real world Qualia viewing.

You could call it ……Qualia RealWorld Experience Meets Qualia Technical Experience

By Penton-Man xx, xxx (let’s just say a couple of Dee-grees, each ending in “D” and they
aint in liberal arts as yous guys can figure out from my English)

To determine the optimal viewing experience via whatever
input for a Mot6200 set top box with a Qualia 006 TeeVee

Materials and Methods

Well I hooked up yee old Moto6200 via i.LINK (I think Sony owns that word) to an i.LINK input on the backs of the 006. Then I hooked up my Moto6200 (Hi-Def receiver without recording capabilities) into input 6 on yee old 006. Subsequently, I slid back the 006 and induced a hernia in the right lower quadrant of my belly.

I proceeded to summon my better half (zee Queen) through the Royal Summoner (of course) to get her arse into Penton’s Home Thee-AAA-ter Room. A Royal Fetcher was sent to fetch the Royal Dog who was feasting on a 1 week old piece of Filet Mignon (true) to proceed in the double blind portion of this study.(and some think only the humans in the Qualia families are “elitists”).

The set top box was set to the HD Discovery channel showing one of dem nature shows with all the animals (in 1080i – but of course). The Royal Dog, the Queen (in the double-blind portion of this experiment……God I hope that doesn’t sound perverted) and ME in a single blind fashion as Eyes knows what was going on ….proceeded to look at the show toggling on the remote between the i.LINK input and the input 6 (hooked up via a DVI/HDMI cable to the 006). We each were prompted to express our feelings in a subjective fashion as to what looked *better*. (This was documented via a recording device and will be transcribed in written form for all those that require detailed Reprints of this Study).

Results

Each of the 3 study participants mentioned that the i.LINK input showed a tad (but easily discernible) crispier image (that be more detailed and pleasing to the eye) than the DVI/HDMI input. This was rather easily apparent after a few minutes of toggling the remote.

Discussion

It has been reported in a prior paper submitted by umr entitled “A Qualia Experience” that the i.LINK input on the Qualia 006 was technically a superior input than the HDMI inputs. Well in real life viewing with the Moto 6200 putting out a 1080i show on HD Discovery, this proved to correlate well with umr’s technical findings to put a broader smile on the face of zee King, zee Queen, and zee Royal Pouch. The downside of using the i.LINK was that menu information was not available but what the hell, we all knew what channel was on and what program we wanted to view next by checking such stuff thru the HDMI/DVI input on Input 6.

It is recommended that if your component has an i.LINK that you use that as a source to your Qualia 006 if feasible depending on your viewing considerations and hook-up all future Blu-rays in that fashion as well.

Bibliography-
1.“A Qualia Experience” by umr (recently overrun by trolls)
2. User Guide for the Motorola 6200
3. Owner’s Manual – Qualia 006

i. From the Department of Penton’s Home Thee-AAA-ter supported in part by a grant from the Elitist Videophile Society of North American and Their Canine Colleagues
ii.This paper is submitted in Loving Memory to my Mum.

Address reprint requests to:
Foxy, The Royal Pouch


P.S. sparky,
Did I miss anything or is thats about right?

Was it one "bark" for yes, and two "barks" for no, or the other way around? Just wanted to make sure we were all speaking the same language as "The Royal Pouch" :D

Originally posted by ToddD

HDTivo owner and Q006 wannabee

can you tell that PM has got me into using an "elitist" word!
Glad to add to your vocabulary.:D

And in regards to wannabee status...I hope you know that DocDVD is just down the highways from you on Piedmont in HotLanta and what the hell....in 6 months or so.. he may be giving dem things away at dealer cost.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Brt-Just checked out your Qualia 006 homepage again. Elmo looks great! How about an attached bio…is that possible? Also I notice there is one free space in “Special Interest” for a little diver dude we all know.

Thanks PM...

Elmo The WonderDog® Bio:
Age: 3
Breed: Rhodesian Ridgeback
Sex: Yes, please! (actually, he used to be a guy)
Turn-ons: squirrels, bunnies, kibble, and world peace...
Turn-offs: bath time, skunks, and global thermo-nuclear war...
Fun Factoid: as a single-puppy litter, Elmo received the majority of Mom's food supply and grew to gargantuan proportions for a purebred Ridgeback. The breed standard is 25"-27" at the shoulder; he (finally) stopped at 32" and 130 pounds, and -- according to a local breeder who's been involved with RRs for 42 years -- may be the World's Largest Ridgeback...

As for Mini-Dive®: if we can get divedude to repost some photos -- and sign a modeling release -- he's a shoe-in for the Qualia Homepage Official Mascot. I think he deserves his rightful place in the Qualia Hall Of Fame...

Originally posted by schaffer970
Was it one "bark" for yes, and two "barks" for no, or the other way around? Just wanted to make sure we were all speaking the same language as "The Royal Pouch" :D
You know you’re absolutely correct. I should have elaborated more in the “Results”.
One bark for the Input 6, two barks for the i.LINK.
:)

Originally posted by brt3
Thanks PM...
Elmo The WonderDog® Bio:


Elmooooooooooo !!!!!
brt - are you still in transit or home yet?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Glad to add to your vocabulary.:D

And in regards to wannabee status...I hope you know that DocDVD is just down the highways from you on Piedmont in HotLanta and what the hell....in 6 months or so.. he may be giving dem things away at dealer cost.:D


In Fact I do know he's down there! And just as soon as the required stack of Penton Paper is acquired...he'll be on the list to call.....IF I could ever win that multi-state big game thing we have here....I'd ask him to bring a 004 to go with that 006! See I am a elitist!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt - are you still in transit or home yet?

Still on the right coast and missing the left coast. Although I THINK I'll still get a chance to check out the Qualia store here in NYC. Scheduled to depart JFK late Monday afternoon. Good thing too, as it may be too hot on Tuesday (80 degrees!) for a spoiled, elitist Bay-Arean...

Is it me, or is this thread going to the dogs?

Originally posted by brt3
Is it me, or is this thread going to the dogs?
Addendum to “Qualia RealWorld Experience Meets Qualia Technical Experience”

Some astute examiner may have noticed that the source material was one of dem nature shows …..and one of our study participants was the Royal Pouch….and….this may have induced an unforeseen bias into the results of the study.

Not to worry, the show was mostly about birds, which the Royal Pouch finds generally uninteresting on TeeVee or at the Royal Park.

Brt – Have a safe trip back and PLLLLLLEASE wash dem feet before you goes to the airport and takes off dem shoes. So sayeth Elmo.
:D

Will do, PM...

Could anyone else try to download the Qualia 006 review from the WSR website? I'm a subscriber and it acts as if it's downloading, but the file won't open. ARGGHHH! As soon as I get a copy I'll post in on the website, but no luck so far...

:(

OK -- finally got it to work!

Widescreen Review Test of Qualia 006 posted online here! (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Originally posted by brt3
Will do, PM...

Could anyone else try to download the Qualia 006 review from the WSR website? I'm a subscriber and it acts as if it's downloading, but the file won't open. ARGGHHH! As soon as I get a copy I'll post in on the website, but no luck so far...

:(

Same problem here with downloading widescreen review. I downloaded the flashpaper update and it still doesn't seem to download the article.

Didn't you get your hardcopy yet?? Seems like mine arrived either Monday or Tuesday.

Frankly, I didn't sense that the review was as in depth as expected. UMR's experience was more detailed.

One thing that stood out in Widescreen Review was that the TV arrived with two Sony representatives. Guess they wanted to be sure that there would be someone there to keep an eye on what was going on and help prevent anything negative to show up in the review. Seems a little strong, but I guess when you're selling $13,000 TVs, you learn to be more careful.

Wonder if Samsung and JVC will start doing the same when their 1080I sets come out??

Originally posted by JimP
Same problem here with downloading widescreen review. I downloaded the flashpaper update and it still doesn't seem to download the article. Didn't you get your hardcopy yet?? Seems like mine arrived either Monday or Tuesday.

Finally got it Jim -- WSR - Download (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

I'm on the road so I haven't rec'd my copy yet, nor have I read the article except for a quick scan. Will have to remedy that NOW...

I'd like to follow up the WSR with some thoughts. Sony has hit a major Home Run with this set, and I concur with all of the findings in the review. especially with regard to many of the Pro Settings. I looked at multiburst, SMPTE Bars, Ramp, Checkerboard, Alignment Grid, and Dots, as well as purity. I had the advantage of looking at the fed signals through a Component Scope, and we have an HDMI conversion output to feed our scope. It was built by our Video Engineer, using a Geffin Switcher as a building block. Gamma is a waste, many of the detail settings are as well. Black Pro should not reduce so much brightness. I actually liked the Clear White counter point to the Warm Picture. If you are not careful you can really screw up this picture. Remember less is more. While I did not use a Spectrum Meter, 28+ years in Network Broadcasting is my barometer, and my eye as an engineer is enough to tell me when, pedestal is crushed (blacks), and gamma is off. detail is predicated upon your source. I have a 975 Sony DVD with an HDMI output. I used The Incredibles as a test disc and custom DVD disc that I made at CBS right out of a SMPTE test generator, and I also have a copy on Digital Beta Tape. Here's the hard cold truth. Very few people in the forum will ever see an uncompressed Digital HD picture. I have, and unless I'm doing my own shooting on our Sony HD Camera, nothing will ever equal that. HOWEVER, enjoy what you have as being near current perfection. After spending $13K understand that your source is your prime savior or enemy. And to all, may your lamps burn brightly for 10 Thousand hours!

Editor

editor58, thanks for your impressions. Sure would be nice to see some uncompressed HD. Well, maybe someday :)

Let me be the first to ask, for the purpose of linking to post #1, what are the settings on your Q006?

Thanks, jb007

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well folks I wanted to see how umr’s technical findings so graciously posted for us (thanks umr) translated into real world Qualia viewing.

You could call it ……Qualia RealWorld Experience Meets Qualia Technical Experience

By Penton-Man xx, xxx

Bibliography-
1.“A Qualia Experience” by umr (recently overrun by trolls)
2. User Guide for the Motorola 6200
3. Owner’s Manual – Qualia 006

i. From the Department of Penton’s Home Thee-AAA-ter
ii.This paper is submitted in Loving Memory to my Mum.

Address reprint requests to:
Foxy, The Royal Pouch


P.S. sparky,
Did I miss anything or is thats about right?


A very well written paper, Dr. Penton. :)

Thanks, Editor, great review!!!!!!

Sorry if this excites the trolls, but...

I've read all of the articles reviewing the 006 and most of the posts from this forum.
I've read initial impressions and seen indepth critical reviews - like umr's and R_Harkness
that pick out some flaws...

I even had the luck of seeing the set for a while during the Womens NCAA Basketball
Championship.

So, can someone please post a link to or quote anyone who has spent time with this set that
wouldn't gladdly own it?

Why all the nit picking of these reviewers - saying that one reviewer only compared it to other microdisplays or whatever.
Even the TPV reviewer (whose only real gripe is false contouring which I've heard little about elsewhere) in the end gushed over the set.

It may not be the best TV, but I think most have concluded it's about the best RPTV they've seen.

Some have argued that for the money you could get one of the cheaper 1080p sets and also buy a Mitsu 65815.

But of course, if someone gives you a BMW roadster - or you have one already, you aren't going to sell it for a Miata and a Jeep;

You're going to get in and enjoy the BEST driving experience you can get.

Originally posted by brt3
Is it me, or is this thread going to the dogs?
To the dogs....as you can see we have Elmo and Max participating on the same day.:)

Originally posted by jm_etue

Why all the nit picking of these reviewers - saying that one reviewer only compared it to other microdisplays or whatever.

Jim,
The "nit picking" is primarily occuring on umr's "Qualia Experience" thread(to his chagrin) and on other *Qualia wannabee* but *pretend not to be* threads, rather than here.....so you may want to address your question to those folks.

I presume that whenever there is an entity that rises above the rest of the crowd and sets a new standard it will simultaneously become a large target for the unhappy.

P.S.
Whose the cutie on your left?

I love this TV. Any nits it does have is simply overshadowed by the incredible detailed and colorful images it puts out. It has been three weeks or so and EVERY time I sit down to view it I am just wrapped up in the experience.

The ONLY thing I can find wrong is that I find myself looking at the pores on someones face or looking at individual threads in their clothes to the point of missing the action. Until you see one in person you can not truly imagine what kind of detail it produces. And not just in Hi Def. It is amazing how good and detailed DVD's look. I can't wait for Blu-Ray.

As soon as I can figure out how to post a 1Mg picture I will have some images of my Q shrine. Some of you might be interested in the stand I built. Sony size specs but prettier and only about $125 rather than $1,500. I matched the oak to my Velodyne and B&W black speakers. If I can build it then most of you can too.

Look for pics soon..........................................

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
I love this TV. Any nits it does have is simply overshadowed by the incredible detailed and colorful images it puts out. It has been three weeks or so and EVERY time I sit down to view it I am just wrapped up in the experience.

The ONLY thing I can find wrong is that I find myself looking at the pores on someones face or looking at individual threads in their clothes to the point of missing the action. Until you see one in person you can not truly imagine what kind of detail it produces. And not just in Hi Def. It is amazing how good and detailed DVD's look. I can't wait for Blu-Ray.

As soon as I can figure out how to post a 1Mg picture I will have some images of my Q shrine. Some of you might be interested in the stand I built. Sony size specs but prettier and only about $125 rather than $1,500. I matched the oak to my Velodyne and B&W black speakers. If I can build it then most of you can too.

Look for pics soon..........................................


Motormouth - BINGO. You are EXACTLY correct. The detailed picture on this set is AMAZING and sets it apart from anything else I've seen.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

The ONLY thing I can find wrong is that I find myself
not watching the other TV's in the house anymore.:eek:

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
If I can build it then most of you can too.

Build it.....and they will come.:)

i do i search but i am still not sure
if the qualia 006 can handle 1080i 50 hz or not.

Originally posted by jm_etue
Sorry if this excites the trolls, but...

So, can someone please post a link to or quote anyone who has spent time with this set that wouldn't gladdly own it?


jim,

Exact-a-mundo (quoting PM :)) That's a key point. Some of the biggest critics of the Q006 have not even seen a Q006 in person! Amazing, isn't it? Go figure :rolleyes:

Mini Dive was watching "The Flight of the Phoenix" and the picture looked so real, he tried to dust . . .

Originally posted by Penton-Man
A Royal Fetcher was sent to fetch the Royal Dog who was feasting on a 1 week old piece of Filet Mignon (true) to proceed in the double blind portion of this study.(and some think only the humans in the Qualia families are “elitists”).

PM,
Will you please ask the Royal Fetcher to send the Royal Pouch over here when Foxy is finished with the truly aged Fillet Mignon. Mini Dive and I need a tie breaker to determine which is better with the HDTivo, HDMI or component :confused:

Originally posted by editor58
..... Gamma is a waste, many of the detail settings are as well. Black Pro should not reduce so much brightness...
Editor

Curious why you say this. Seems you have the knowledge and background to comment and back it up.

As a novice, I study and comprehend what Gamma Corrector is. From experience (albeit with the Sony XS line), Gamma Corrector seems to do what is expected (e.g., impact on luminance). I can't seem to get better results for Black detail through other User Menu settings or combinations (Brightness, Black Corrector, Picture or Clear White).

Since there has been so much discussion about having the Q006 calibrated by an ISF technician, I thought I'd link this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5295224#post5295224) where some horror stories are shared.

The bottom line seems to be -- be careful.

Qualia 006 owners. looking for a little help in the measuring department.

Is the 006 tapering (if looking from the top down) like the top diagram or the bottom? If top, I need A, B, C dimensions, if it's like the bottom diagram, I need A and B. Thank you in advance.

Originally posted by dpc123
Qualia 006 owners. looking for a little help in the measuring department.

Is the 006 tapering (if looking from the top down) like the top diagram or the bottom? If top, I need A, B, C dimensions, if it's like the bottom diagram, I need A and B. Thank you in advance.

dpc123,
It is like the top diagram. What I measure is (A) 3 1/8", (C) with speaker 5 3/4" and w/o speaker 1 1/4", (B) is a little tricky because of the curve from the side to the back ~ 33".

Divedude,

Thanks!

Hello Q006 owners.

Quick question...

We can now get a 5 year extended Warranty on this set to bring it to 8 years! It does include lamps so we never have to turn it off! :D

I can get it in the $800 range. Is anyone else considering a warranty?
I am just a bit afraid, PM Paper and all, that if there is an issue after 3 years, that it may be worth it.

With all of the input re: the best source material, I thought I would mention something unexpected.

Last night we watched Volcano. It was a 3 hour show that was on Discovery in SD a few weeks ago. Further it was recorded on my ReplayTV...another SD device. I did not expect much, and sharpness was not great. But, I was shocked at how bright and how deep the colors were. This was not expected as I thought the Q would make it unwatchable. Quite the opposite! The Q did very well. I had almost watched it on the 55" plasma upstairs, but wanted to log some more Qualia Time.

I ordered a 4-year extended Sony Repairmaster warranty (on top of the original 3) for about that price from my dealer. Covers bulbs if something other than normal wear and tear (i.e., they go out or go KABOOM or something before the normal wear cycle). I thought it provided some peace of mind especially since it is transferable to a new owner. New tech has some funny characteristics; normally, things go wrong right away but sometimes useful life is shorter than folks think.

JB007, you have a pm

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello Q006 owners.

Quick question...

We can now get a 5 year extended Warranty on this set to bring it to 8 years! It does include lamps so we never have to turn it off! :D

I can get it in the $800 range. Is anyone else considering a warranty?
I am just a bit afraid, PM Paper and all, that if there is an issue after 3 years, that it may be worth it.

mpsan,
Do you have any details on this extended warranty? Who offers it and does it cover normal wear on the lamp or just the KABOOM like Joel said? How many lamps does it cover? I figure I will be lucky to get a year out of a bulb at an average of 54 hours usage a week, 2,800 hours a year. 8 bulbs times $300 dollars is $2,400. That warranty would be quite a bargain if they cover normal wear on the bulbs.

Originally posted by jb007
Since there has been so much discussion about having the Q006 calibrated by an ISF technician, I thought I'd link this thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5295224#post5295224) where some horror stories are shared.
The bottom line seems to be -- be careful.
Yikes,
I hope nhey documents everything his calibrator does with 4 video cameras so that he can get back to baseline if the result is poorer than the original.

It’s about this time that Ted, umr and DocDVD should chime in for their prospective.

Originally posted by mpsan

We can now get a 5 year extended Warranty on this set to bring it to 8 years! It does include lamps so we never have to turn it off! :D

I can get it in the $800 range. Is anyone else considering a warranty?
I am just a bit afraid, PM Paper and all, that if there is an issue after 3 years, that it may be worth it.
You know, I go away for a few hours and this thread may cost me $800.
I forgot mpsan, who did you buy from?

Originally posted by Joel
I ordered a 4-year extended Sony Repairmaster warranty (on top of the original 3) for about that price from my dealer.
Cheers
Same question Joel, who is your dealer, or is it who I think ????

Originally posted by editor58

Quote from WSR:
"During the short time I had the QUALIA
006, I was fortunate to have a friend visit with
his Media Center PC and check out a few
HDTV recordings. Text on the small Windows
icons was readable, even from 10 feet away,
and sharper than he had ever seen on any
display, including his high-quality 30-inch
CRT monitor.
The DVI-equipped AccuPel HDG-3000 test
generator offers a single-pixel burst at 1080i
that no television I have seen before has
properly reproduced."
Editor
I am not that impressed, that is until I hear that the Sony 006 does 1:1 digital pixel mapping at 1920*1080. Finally, it appears as if a home theater monitor can display information without distorting it. Wow!

So now the experts go nuts over this aspect (which I've been preaching for years) which is the ONLY way to get the best performance from any fixed panel micro-display. Big deal. Computer displays had this down years ago. Pay 35K last year, pay 13K now or 5k next year. :)

Does the 006 do 1920*1080 60fps with 1:1 mapping?


Note: It will be very interesting to see how WSR evaluates the new DLP pseudo 1080p wobulators. Hook them up to a computer and let the fun begin!

I

Hello ALL who asked:
Well, I have 30 days to buy it. It is 5 years and I had been told that it plain covered Bulbs. Anyway, I bought my Q at NW Sony Only. I will post when I get the exact details. In fact I will give Rob a call now.

Joel, I am not sure how they would determine normal use? We only use the Q for movies, etc. I expect bulb life to last a while. At any rate, who is to say that if, after 6 months, the bulb goes and you claim you only used it 500 hours?



Originally posted by Joel
I ordered a 4-year extended Sony Repairmaster warranty (on top of the original 3) for about that price from my dealer. Covers bulbs if something other than normal wear and tear (i.e., they go out or go KABOOM or something before the normal wear cycle). I thought it provided some peace of mind especially since it is transferable to a new owner. New tech has some funny characteristics; normally, things go wrong right away but sometimes useful life is shorter than folks think.

JB007, you have a pm

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
At any rate, who is to say that if, after 6 months, the bulb goes and you claim you only used it 500 hours?

mpsan,
I guess you didn't notice the hour meter inside the fan compartment ;)

OH... :D

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I guess you didn't notice the hour meter inside the fan compartment ;)

I would appreciate any extended warranty info that covers bulbs, etc.
Thanks

OK, I spoke to my SalesPerson. It does cover bulbs. There were no qualifications. Anyone who wants this can get it if your Q was delivered during the past 30 days.

PM me and I will give you the Phone # etc.

Dave

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
Do you have any details on this extended warranty? Who offers it and does it cover normal wear on the lamp or just the KABOOM like Joel said? How many lamps does it cover? I figure I will be lucky to get a year out of a bulb at an average of 54 hours usage a week, 2,800 hours a year. 8 bulbs times $300 dollars is $2,400. That warranty would be quite a bargain if they cover normal wear on the bulbs.

I have no idea what that warranty would cover but I suspect it is lamp failure. I think you will want to replace the lamp long before the lamp fails.

Dilbert1

If they started selling the Qualia at Wal-Mart--would this thread last forever?

Originally posted by Artwood
If they started selling the Qualia at Wal-Mart--would this thread last forever?

Now come on Artwood, I know you don't want to be accused of "trolling." You don't have to go back in this thread too many pages to know they aren't selling Q006's at Wal-Mart, as verified by mpsan.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5397393#post5397393

:D

Yes, we went in looking for a stand for our 32" set. As far as I know WalMart is still OOS on the Qualia...any series of Qualia! :D

Originally posted by jb007
Now come on Artwood, I know you don't want to be accused of "trolling." You don't have to go back in this thread too many pages to know they aren't selling Q006's at Wal-Mart, as verified by mpsan.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5397393#post5397393

:D

Originally posted by IamtheWolf
Curious why you say this. Seems you have the knowledge and background to comment and back it up.

As a novice, I study and comprehend what Gamma Corrector is. From experience (albeit with the Sony XS line), Gamma Corrector seems to do what is expected (e.g., impact on luminance). I can't seem to get better results for Black detail through other User Menu settings or combinations (Brightness, Black Corrector, Picture or Clear White).

What do television standards do about gamma?
Since most sensors used in television cameras produce output voltages proportional to scene intensity, a correction for CRT gamma must be applied to the camera signal to avoid having midtones in the scenes being too dark on the TV set. When television standards were defined it was decided to correct for the gamma of the CRT in every television set by using a correction circuit in the camera which applies a gamma of 0.45 = 1/2.2. This value was chosen to simultaneously correct for the CRT gamma of 2.5 and compensate for the apparent reduction of contrast which occurs when a TV is viewed against the dim background typically found in a living room. Applying the correction at the studio was more economical than applying the correction in every TV set.
Thank you Robert W. Berger-
----------------------------------

Here's the point: Engineers are paid a lot of money to make sure that Camera gamma in properly corrected at the source. This is a video engineers primary job. If you are in need of Gamma correction on your TV, I suggest you return it and get a new one. There is absolutely NO REASON to mess with this setting. Use Black Pro even though I believe it reduces the overall brightness of the picture, and correct the Black level to LOW. I like the Clear White Correction on, and color space to normal NOT wide. I believe that it ticks the RED too much. I toggle between normal and warm for the color temp. It really depends upon the source material. Again, I cannot emphasize enough SOURCE MATERIAL. NBC engineers like all their News Magazine shows "Dateline" toward the warm side. Many camera operators over-use the Deep Amber gels on their lights and create a circus with their lighting. I think it sucks. But in mine and their defense, it's what they want. ABC 20/20 and 60 Minutes are NO different. In this case the Engineer everyone goes to is Roger Macie outside of Boston. He has something that the networks have bought into called the Uni-Standard. It is designed so that 3 different Cameramen can pull up to the same interview, and the cameras will look closely matched. He gets a lot of money to calibrate a camera. Even the lamps used on the shoot will come up with different color temps. You can drive yourself to distraction! I own a color temp meter, and a VERY good field monitor. Which do I use? the Monitor. Why? because I know what makes a pleasing picture people want to watch. I have my Cameras calibrated to OUR standard, and I use a Paintbox to dial into another cameraman's color matrix when I have to.

Back to the 006- LESS is MORE. rely on your source material for HD as what looks good. CSI Miami is SO WARM, it's disgusting. Use Arrested Development in 720p as a good reference. Even American Idol is pushed to chroma saturation. NTSC as a color standard is Horrible, but it's what we have Never Twice the Same Color - NTSC.... OK?
Make your picture they way YOU want to watch it, you paid $13K who the hell am I to tell you how to set your monitor up. I can tell you what I do and why, but if it doesn't look good to you... well OK??!!
A picture that is over saturated, over corrected, over blacked and black crushed, over detailed, over softened, is worthless. And you can spend $300 for an ISF Cal, and still not be happy. But you will believe you are because you spent $300, and you may not like the way it looks. I can tell you that an ISF Cal, is NOT a bad thing. It is a standard. And furthermore, Crappy pictures on a properly calibrated monitor look... well...CRAPPY!

I'm starting to sound like Lewis Black here, I'm done.

Editor

Originally posted by editor58
Make your picture they way YOU want to watch it, you paid $13K who the hell am I to tell you how to set your monitor up. I can tell you what I do and why, but if it doesn't look good to you... well OK??!!

editor58,
That is good, sage advice. 40 years ago, I was give some more good advice by a respected TV repairman - adjust for good natural flesh tone. I always carry my comparative indicator with me, my arm.

Few lines from Sound and Vision review--

A weakness did appear when I compared the depth of black from two different shots of a night sky, one showing a bright lit Empire State Building, and one without the skyscraper. With the building present,the sky appeared a little brighter, and the stars a little dimmer, than without it. I confirmed that this problem was in the TV and not the movie by looking at some half-white vs. fully dark test patterns. The dark areas became slightly brighter when part of the image was bright. This can obscure some shadow detail when you're watching movies.
Toward the end of Spider-Man 2, a street light fades smoothly into darkness as it illuminates the cop cars coming to investigate the drowning of the fusion sun. It was on this frame that I noticed some unusual ghosting in the picture. Running through a dark area at the bottom of the image was a faint patch of blue that exactly mirrored the size, shape, and relative position of a very bright strand of Spidey's web at the top of the frame. Test patterns confirmed that whenever a bright patch or object appeared anywhere, a faint, corresponding blue patch appeared in the opposite section of the screen.

After checking it out, Sony's engineers determined that the blue ghost was the fault of a damaged SXRD light engine. Sony shipped is another Qualia 006 that showed no evidence of this problem and noted THAT ANY CUSTOMER WHO IDENTIFY THIS ISSUE WITH-IN THE THREE-YEAR WARRANTY PERIOD CAN HAVE IT FIXED.

"Its hard to overstate just how good HDTV looks on the Qualia 006. This is how High- Def was meant to be seen."

" Deep-pocketed videophiles will scream in glee like teenage girls-- on the inside, at least-- when they see the Qualia 006 in person.

The 006 maybe is the best TV ever.

Originally posted by divedude
I guess you didn't notice the hour meter inside the fan compartment ;)

Hey Dive,

Not sure if anyone's posted it yet, but there really IS an hour meter on the Qualia. When you go to the service menu you can call up detailed specs on many things -- including lamp usage. This is in the service manual available online; when I can get it scanned I'll post it on my website...

Penton, it is who you think it is. DocDVD. But now I have to investigate the MPSAN warranty -- it may be a better deal.

Cheers

I bought with my American Express. They add an extra year on the manufactures standard warrenty if it is over $5k or something. Whatever the amount the Qualia qualifies. Not sure how it would be enforced or by whom but sounded good anyway.

Doubt that extended warrenty will be an issue with me as in three years there certainly WILL be a better or bigger TV that I will lust over and someone can buy my ex-girlfriend Q at that time. I am such a slut when it comes to HDTV's now. Maybe Sycore will have my Q replacement all lined up and identified for me then.

But right now the Q girl has got the goods and puts out the best. Even if she is like Gabrielle on Desperate Housewives who is very expensive and high maintenance...............but she sure is pretty though so I guess I will keep her even with her flaws.

Originally posted by brt3
Hey Dive,

Not sure if anyone's posted it yet, but there really IS an hour meter on the Qualia. When you go to the service menu you can call up detailed specs on many things -- including lamp usage. This is in the service manual available online; when I can get it scanned I'll post it on my website...

Hmmm, inquiring minds want to know . . . :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yikes,
I hope nhey documents everything his calibrator does with 4 video cameras so that he can get back to baseline if the result is poorer than the original.

It’s about this time that Ted, umr and DocDVD should chime in for their prospective.

There is a group of people who prefer to look at adulterated images. There is a group of people who could care less. There is also a group of calibration people who are less than competent. Mix that in with those who like accurate performance and good to excellent calibration and you have a good part of the world covered. Take these facts and I am sure you can create a wealth of different experiences in this area.

Depending on the device a good calibration/service mode tweak can be a huge improvement or it can yield very little. A few devices come from the factory calibrated very well. Unfortunately or fortunately depending on your perspective the number of those is very limited. The Qualia is one of those that does benefit from gray scale and careful selection of input type. It may also benefit from service mode tweaking in the end.

You know as I sit here on the train making my normal daily commute into the office and I read what everyone here has had to say over the weekend (just catching up as I am frantically trying to finish up the Q's new home) I find myself thinking that a great service a TV manufacturer and/or retailer could offer would be to include an at home ISF calibration.

Or maybe someone could offer a "service contract" that would include an annual calibration.

Or, maybe it is yet too early in the morning :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yikes,
I hope nhey documents everything his calibrator does with 4 video cameras so that he can get back to baseline if the result is poorer than the original.

It’s about this time that Ted, umr and DocDVD should chime in for their prospective.

UMR asked my opinion(by PM) a few days after his examination of my set, and his callibration of the grey scale. I replied that I thought that the colors and blacks were better. But, having said that; my eyes could not find much fault with the "out of the box" picture. After all, his "before" measurement of the grey scale showed a very flat 7500k; not far from the desired 6500k. The fact that it was "flat" also contributed to the excellent "before" picture. Of equal importance to me were his observations on the many settings available in the advanced user menu. For instance, he concluded that any gamma correction made things worse, not better. I also thought his conclusions regarding the superiority of i-link input, followed by HDMI were very useful; as were the problems with one pixel resolution at 1080i and edge enhancement.

My opinion is that the Q006 is better than almost all source data (the exceptions being DVHS and probably WM 9 ). The downrezzing of practically all broadcast and satellite programming means that the shortcomings of the Q006 identified by UMR are of no practical effect at present. If you have a DVHS machine, you can feed it to the Q006 by i-link and avoid the "over-processing" being done by the Q006 which UMR identified. Blu-ray, when available, will be equql to the Q006 and PM has reported that the Sony machine will have an i-link output--so, once again, problem solved. So, if the move of the satellite companies to MPEG 4 and/or local broadcast stations stop downrezzing the OTA signal means that true 1920x1080i signals are available to the Q006; we will need the service menu codes that allow the "over processing" to be turned off for the HDMI inputs. Until then, a grey scale callibration (which is pretty easy if you have the kind of equipment possessed by UMR) and knowledge of how to set the advanced user menu and which inputs to use for which source is "good enough".

Hi, I am a third waver who made my purchase decision solely from your inputs to this forum. I am about to become an official member with my purchase and hopefully near term delivery from DocDVD.

I have an existing in- wall unit that was installed before tv's the size of the Q ever existed and needs major modification.

With out totally tearing out the wall I can obtain the following dimensions:

67 inches width
47 inches height
25 inches depth

Width and depth seems to work based on dimensions on first post of forum but how critical is the 47 inch height?

The height on the chart was 47 1/4 inchs. Will my 47 inch height work. Any leeway in the stated dimensions?


Would appreciate your Input.


Marc

Mpsan, you have a pm

marcsmul,

Congrats on your pending bundle of joy! Please keep in mind that it is recommended that there be approx. 10 inches above the Q and 4+ inches on the sides and behind the unit for ventilation.

This thing kicks off some heat so take this into consideration.

Ted99,

Your comment about the factory gray scale accuracy to D65 is a little off.

Color temperature is not the best way to look at this. You can be at 6500K and have very poor accuracy. D65, which is the standard, is a point in color space. Color temperature is a line. I included the color temperature and the calculated delta E for a reason. Color temperature is what most people are familiar with, but it is less useful than delta E. Delta E is an indication of how far off a color is in perceptual color space. Your set measured between 18 and 12 on delta E for 20% to 100% gray windows out of the box. That is actually considered unacceptable level of error for most color reproduction standards, but it is by no means the worst for a TV from the factory. It did track the factory gray scale pretty well, but the calibrated values are much closer to D65. We ended up with a maximum of 2 in delta E from 20% to 100%. This level of error is considered almost imperceptible and of course is a good thing. This is all confusing because of the overuse of color temperature which is a very imprecise method of indicating the color gray relative to a standard.

Yup, got it.

Originally posted by Joel
Mpsan, you have a pm

Heh sounds like there is a new affordable camcorder in town:
(at least at 5,995 it doesn't seem insanely expensive)

Panasonic's "One Camcorder To Rule Them All"

http://www.tomshardware.com/business/20050418/nab_2005-02.html#panasonics_one_camcorder_to_rule_them_all

out q4 2005 will record from 480i up to 1080p.... sounds luverly (of course who knows what the quality is).

Originally posted by thesirjay
Heh sounds like there is a new affordable camcorder in town:
(at least at 5,995 it doesn't seem insanely expensive)

Panasonic's "One Camcorder To Rule Them All"



thesirjay,
Now that camcorder looks more like a size I might want to take underwater to shoot HD with, at least as soon as someone makes a housing for it.

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello Q006 owners.

Quick question...

We can now get a 5 year extended Warranty on this set to bring it to 8 years! It does include lamps so we never have to turn it off! :D

I can get it in the $800 range. Is anyone else considering a warranty?
I am just a bit afraid, PM Paper and all, that if there is an issue after 3 years, that it may be worth it.

mpsan,
I called your dealer and here is the info I got from Eric and the Manager on the extended warranty. It is a GE warranty, so I guess they will be around for awhile. The price is $845. The warranty is for an additional 2 years, giving a total of 5 years. The warranty must be purchased within 90 days of the initial 006 purchase. And it does not cover bulbs. The Manager said the bulb is a replacement item. And Eric is a nice guy, we talked about how great the 006 is and HD cameras. The other interesting thing he told me was that the bulb is 200 watt and has an expected life of 10,000 hours, which is a lot better than the 2,500-3,000 hours I was originally told. That's the story I got, and I'm sticking to it. :)

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I called your dealer and here is the info I got from Eric and the Manager on the extended warranty. It is a GE warranty, so I guess they will be around for a while. The price is $845. The warranty is for an additional 2 years, giving a total of 5 years. The warranty must be purchased within 90 days of the initial 006 purchase. And it does not cover bulbs. The Manager said the bulb is a replacement item. And Eric is a nice guy, we talked about how great the 006 is and HD cameras. The other interesting thing he told me was that the bulb is 200 watt and has an expected life of 10,000 hours, which is a lot better than the 2,500-3,000 hours I was originally told. That's the story I got, and I'm sticking to it. :)

Great story...thanks for getting the skinny.
That warranty seems to pale in comparison to the repairmaster warranty offered by docdvd.

You can stick to your story but I don't believe the bulb part of it since Sony is not predicting such a long life.

Originally posted by BenDover
You can stick to your story but I don't believe the bulb part of it since Sony is not predicting such a long life.

BenDover,
I was surprised with the 10K, because SONY had told me the lower numbers. So I guess we will have to just wait and see how long it actually lasts :confused: I'm ready either way, I have a spare just waiting :cool:

Originally posted by divedude
BenDover,
I was surprised with the 10K, because SONY had told me the lower numbers. So I guess we will have to just wait and see how long it actually lasts :confused: I'm ready either way, I have a spare just waiting :cool:

ah, you bought a spare ahead of time? a man after my own heart :)

you do realize that the first replacement is on the house (i.e., sony), right?

guess you can call them up, tell them the lamp went and that you need your free in-warranty replacement, pop the on-hand spare in and not skip a beat.

I will talk to Rob who said it was 5 years more and did cover the bulb! He checked several times! He gets back from vacation next week, although I do have his cell number.


Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I called your dealer and here is the info I got from Eric and the Manager on the extended warranty. It is a GE warranty, so I guess they will be around for awhile. The price is $845. The warranty is for an additional 2 years, giving a total of 5 years. The warranty must be purchased within 90 days of the initial 006 purchase. And it does not cover bulbs. The Manager said the bulb is a replacement item. And Eric is a nice guy, we talked about how great the 006 is and HD cameras. The other interesting thing he told me was that the bulb is 200 watt and has an expected life of 10,000 hours, which is a lot better than the 2,500-3,000 hours I was originally told. That's the story I got, and I'm sticking to it. :)

Typing on Qualia while watching a standard definition channel (heh finally a use for the dual broadcast channels watch the sd in windowed mode then swap back to HD when commercials are over). The warranty info is a bit of a bummer but heh at least if the life is 10k hours wow.... thats awhile.

Originally posted by BenDover
ah, you bought a spare ahead of time? a man after my own heart :)

you do realize that the first replacement is on the house (i.e., sony), right?

guess you can call them up, tell them the lamp went and that you need your free in-warranty replacement, pop the on-hand spare in and not skip a beat.

BenDover,
Yep, that is the plan. When I get the free one from Sony, it will become my new spare. I don't want to spend a couple of evenings watching HD in my exercise room (that's where I put my old HDTV). I don't mind 45 minutes, but not a whole evening. :( I think having a spare build is even more important than having a spare tire. We know the bulb will eventually go out, but getting a flat is not as certain.

Am I crazy or what, but every time I go see a movie at a theater it reminds me of the 006 on the Vivid setting, of course watching something in HD. It just makes me want to go home and set that vivid setting again!!!! But I resist? I think I may be backsliding into the abyss of vivid.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by editor58
[B]
Make your picture they way YOU want to watch it, you paid $13K who the hell am I to tell you how to set your monitor up. I can tell you what I do and why, but if it doesn't look good to you... well OK??!!
A picture that is over saturated, over corrected, over blacked and black crushed, over detailed, over softened, is worthless. And you can spend $300 for an ISF Cal, and still not be happy. But you will believe you are because you spent $300, and you may not like the way it looks. I can tell you that an ISF Cal, is NOT a bad thing. It is a standard. And furthermore, Crappy pictures on a properly calibrated monitor look... well...CRAPPY!

I'm starting to sound like Lewis Black here, I'm done.

Editor [/QUOTE

Editor, very well said, and certainly great insight in how studios do things. Thanks for taking the time to write that out!! And if you want to sound like Lewis Black that would be alright too!

Originally posted by marcsmul
Hi, I am a third waver who made my purchase decision solely from your inputs to this forum. I am about to become an official member with my purchase and hopefully near term delivery from DocDVD.

I have an existing in- wall unit that was installed before tv's the size of the Q ever existed and needs major modification.

With out totally tearing out the wall I can obtain the following dimensions:

67 inches width
47 inches height
25 inches depth

Width and depth seems to work based on dimensions on first post of forum but how critical is the 47 inch height?

The height on the chart was 47 1/4 inchs. Will my 47 inch height work. Any leeway in the stated dimensions?


Would appreciate your Input.


Marc


RonB63 and anyone with an installed 006 I would certainly appreciate if you ca n measure the height and see if the 47 inches are adaquatel

It is a very important and potentially very costly item for me and I would appreciate your input..........Thanks in advance. Marc

Originally posted by divedude
thesirjay,
Now that camcorder looks more like a size I might want to take underwater to shoot HD with, at least as soon as someone makes a housing for it.

Attaboy! DD, maybe Panny's housing would be less Penton paper too :D

I spoke to Rob and he said that what I quoted was stated to him by the GE rep in the region. He will check on Wednesday.

Film at 11!

Originally posted by mpsan
I will talk to Rob who said it was 5 years more and did cover the bulb! He checked several times! He gets back from vacation next week, although I do have his cell number.

FYI -- Picked this up in another thread. The poster says he is friends with a Sony rep and they are already taking orders from dealers:

"There will be a 50" and 60" SXRD set out by then the end of the year. It will be an XS series Grand Wega. Preliminary MSRP is $4K and $5k respectively. It will be 1080P but will not be up to the same quality of the Qualia piece."

Marksmul

You could have it plug the hole and leave a little hanging out. It would then look like a plasma hanging on the wall. HOWEVER, make sure if you do you have adequate ventilation behind the unit. It's not good enought to just blow the hot air around. You must vent it to the outside. If it is a contained hole and it is plugged then excessive heat can build up and nothing will screw your expensive electronics up as fast as hot silicon.

I had originally thought I would shimmy it in a hole my 60 inch Shitzubishi once called home but after trying to figure out how I was to put 10 pounds of sugar into a 5 pound bag I decided to keep it out in the open. Besides this monster should be displayed fully. It is simply a work of art even when it is off.

Originally posted by jb007
FYI -- Picked this up in another thread. The poster says he is friends with a Sony rep and they are already taking orders from dealers:

"There will be a 50" and 60" SXRD set out by then the end of the year. It will be an XS series Grand Wega. Preliminary MSRP is $4K and $5k respectively. It will be 1080P but will not be up to the same quality of the Qualia piece."

This might just be my next bedroom tv :D

Originally posted by jb007
FYI -- Picked this up in another thread. The poster says he is friends with a Sony rep and they are already taking orders from dealers:

"There will be a 50" and 60" SXRD set out by then the end of the year. It will be an XS series Grand Wega. Preliminary MSRP is $4K and $5k respectively. It will be 1080P but will not be up to the same quality of the Qualia piece."

I will speculate that an sxrd based display at these prices will likely be a single chip design.

Originally posted by MotorMouth777
Marksmul

You could have it plug the hole and leave a little hanging out. It would then look like a plasma hanging on the wall. HOWEVER, make sure if you do you have adequate ventilation behind the unit. It's not good enought to just blow the hot air around. You must vent it to the outside. If it is a contained hole and it is plugged then excessive heat can build up and nothing will screw your expensive electronics up as fast as hot silicon.

I had originally thought I would shimmy it in a hole my 60 inch Shitzubishi once called home but after trying to figure out how I was to put 10 pounds of sugar into a 5 pound bag I decided to keep it out in the open. Besides this monster should be displayed fully. It is simply a work of art even when it is off.


Thanks MM,

This was one of the few executive decisions that I have been able to make in my household. My vidio room is set up really well both for viewing and acoustically. My one wall is all cabinets and just rearranging the cabinets gives me the dimensions stated in my previous post.
Could you please measure the height and let me know if it will fit in a 47 inch high space.

Based on your input I will vent the cabinet into the basement below to prevent frying the silicon.


Thanks in advance MM..............Marc

Originally posted by BenDover
I will speculate that an sxrd based display at these prices will likely be a single chip design.
I disagree. Sony has already stated that they've solved their problems with low chip yields and have already announced that they are building at least one large new factory to produce SXRD and LCD panels that should go online sometime in mid-2006.

I will speculate that an SXRD based display at these prices will likely:
1) have lenses and other optics that are not as good as the qualia (watch out for the JVC chromatic aberration!)
2) not really have production catch up to demand (which still hasn't happened for the Q006 itself, either) until late 2006.
3) when finally released, be priced $3000 higher than the price they are floating now. :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by marcsmul
Thanks MM,

This was one of the few executive decisions that I have been able to make in my household. My vidio room is set up really well both for viewing and acoustically. My one wall is all cabinets and just rearranging the cabinets gives me the dimensions stated in my previous post.
Could you please measure the height and let me know if it will fit in a 47 inch high space.

Based on your input I will vent the cabinet into the basement below to prevent frying the silicon.


Thanks in advance MM..............Marc

according to the product specs, the height is 47.05" ... that .05 in. is not even a sixteenth of an inch. worst comes to worst you can either 1) give the stand a light sanding :) or 2) just let the screen part float; i.e., it won't be entirely flush (i think that might give you a more aesthetically pleasing look, but that is just imho). if i had my set i would measure for you b/c i can almost feel your pain/desperation, but i can't imagine the measurement being off from the stated value on sony's spec sheet.

Originally posted by BenDover
I will speculate that an sxrd based display at these prices will likely be a single chip design.


With a spinning color wheel like the DLPs????

Originally posted by JimP
With a spinning color wheel like the DLPs????

yes, that is what i was thinking offhand, but apparently there are other methods (http://www.spatialight.com/Technology/lcos_color_methods.htm)...again, just speculation. maybe it all comes out in the optics according to zech's speculation, who knows... :confused:

UMR--My bad. No one should confuse me with someone who knows about these things--but I learn more every day. Thank you. As I said, after your callibration, the colors and blacks were better. I belong to the camp that wants to watch the picture the way the director and editor conceived it.

New download available on the old Qualia 006 webpage... (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html) This is the latest factory cut sheet with dimensions and jack placement.

Just returned from NYC, where it's warmer -- a LOT warmer -- than California. They're looking at 84 degrees tomorrow! So much for the weather report, and on to the QUALIA report. Although I did not have much time to spend there (very frustrating) I got to compare the 006 to the 004.

First, I'm sorry to report that Sony is really underselling the 006 in their Qualia boutiques. When I asked about calibration I was told that the 004 is very carefully set up and calibrated by one of the "handful" of certified installers for the set. The 006, on the other hand, is "pre-calibrated" at the factory! News to me, and really amazing as we all know the factory settings -- even in PRO mode -- can easily be improved upon.

That being said, the 006 did not look all that great to me -- and I saw it before the 004. It was in stock, out of the box PRO mode, but the colors were quite oversaturated, the blacks were off, the picture looked too noisy, and the edge enhancement was off (too much of it).

Blu-Ray was something of a disappointment, to be honest -- which was a HELL of a surprise to me! I just woke up after a hard day of travelling yesterday and am too lazy to look up the specs -- could someone tell me the data storage capacity for D-VHS compared to Blu-Ray? I was seeing compression artifacts and block noise -- a shock, really. If BR is slightly compressed compared to D-VHS that explains it. Otherwise, it may be that Sony's distribution system (The BR player was feeding both the 006 and the 004) may be compromising the signal. If, however, what I saw is just part of the compromise made in the Blu-Ray standard, then we can all look forward to 5-7 years of Blu-Ray, followed by another expensive upgrade of hardware and software. UGGHHH! Reminds me of "Perfect Sound Forvever!"...

On to the displays. The test material was a Blu-Ray disc of movie trailers. We watched "Spider Man 2" and "Big Fish". While the 004 is one stunning piece, I have to admit some surprise at the blacks. They certainly aren't G90 blacks, and though good I honestly feel my 006 renders blacks and shadow details with slightly better accuracy. [EDIT: but it's tough to A/B displays cross-country, huh?] But -- we may be talking apples and oranges here. The 004 was projecting on a large Stewart Studio-Tek 130 screen. I'm having brain fade on this one -- can't remember the exact size, but it was either 96" or 120". It's easier to pull off the Qualia trick at 70" than at 100"+. That being said, this is a $30K display device, so the less-than-perfect blacks surprised me a bit. The picture was still superb, and I hope CRT lovers (of which I am one) will wait to hear the whole story before going off on a tangent.

However, even with that one limitation this is quite an amazing projector. The 004 gives a three-dimensionality to the projected image that really grabs you on first viewing. The detail of the 006 is outstanding, but the 004 simply takes microscopic detail to an entirely new level. There are some special things going on in that $6,000 lens and $3,000 bulb, not to mention the electronics of this unit. There's a scene in "Big Fish" where Ewan McGregor is walking through a circus while time is frozen. Someone's thrown a bag of popcorn, and the individual kernels are hanging in the air in front of him. The background is dark, with blacks and deep reds. McGregor walks through the "curtain" of popcorn, sweeping it aside with his hands. This is all so beautifully rendered by the 004 that it takes your breath away. The texture of the popcorn kernels (which are very detailed despite their small size on screen), the way they "pop" (sorry) against the dark background (but with perfectly clean edges), and the skin tones and texture of the actor -- this really showed the mettle of this PJ.

Note to Qualia Stores: PLEASE calibrate your 006 to the same standard you use for the 004. It would have been wonderful to make an accurate comparison between the two, even though they are VERY different displays. That being said, the 004 is one very special projector by any measure. I would love to have one in my home, lottery permitting. Until then I am having a blast with my 006, and still feel it's the best display for my money.

Over and out...

brt3:

I agree that the 006 is the best for the money...and to not start a CRT war, I did go out to buy a 9" Mits and just did not like it at all. Even my wife saw the difference.

Anyway, I know what you mean about the 004. It looked great, but 30K is just the start. It would be a monster to install. The 006 was in a different room so side-by-side could not be done. For the size the 004 is great, but in our real world I believe my 006 was a better choice, and the picture was as good as I had seen.

brt3,

You sinner! How dare you post "negative" things about the Q006 on the Owner's Thread! Haven't you read elsewhere in this forum, that is simply not permitted here!!! ;) :D

Thanks for your interesting and informative report. I had a different experience with Blu-Ray when I saw it on the Q004 in Las Vegas. It was mesmerizing. Hopefully, the set-up in NYC was the issue, not the technology.

Based upon your observation of the Q006 in NYC, if you hadn't already had experience with a Q006, would you be inclined to make the purchase?

mspan -- never liked the Mits approach personally; in CRT RPTVs I always thought (for my eyes) you could get better results with well-calibrated Toshibas & Pioneer Elites.

That being said, I may one day consider selling my soul for Q004. Satan was hanging out on the "Qualia Experience" thread so I'd better be careful mentioning that...

quote:
Originally posted by pepco
The 006, Object of Desire, cover of S&V mag. I desire it!!

How much do you desire it?

sincerely

Satan

:-)

Originally posted by jb007
brt3,

You sinner! How dare you post "negative" things about the Q006 on the Owner's Thread! Haven't you read elsewhere in this forum, that is simply not permitted here!!! ;) :D

Great -- I'm already goin' to hell for remotely considering the sale of my soul to the devil in exchange for a Qualia 004 (see post above); now this!

:D

Here's the Q006 factory cut sheet in direct-to-you form...

We had an older 60" Hitachi. It was OK, but its age and hot spots were showing. We went to look at a Mits with the 9" CRT's. We were going to buy it based on everything said in a different thread on AVS.

WOW, were we blown away! I do say that in a bad sense! Even my wife said it was not that much better than what we had. So, I had no choice but get the 006! :D

I must admit, that my wife and I looked at the 004 for more than a few minutes and my wife even started asking about how we could install it!!!


Originally posted by brt3
mspan -- never liked the Mits approach personally; in CRT RPTVs I always thought (for my eyes) you could get better results with well-calibrated Toshibas & Pioneer Elites.

That being said, I may one day consider selling my soul for Q004. Satan was hanging out on the "Qualia Experience" thread so I'd better be careful mentioning that...

quote:
Originally posted by pepco
The 006, Object of Desire, cover of S&V mag. I desire it!!

How much do you desire it?

sincerely

Satan

:-)

Quick followup on the Panasonic 1080p camcorder

http://www.tomshardware.com/business/200504191/index.html

Well gents - based solely upon this thread (well actually in conjunction with a lot other research on other displays) I have decided to pull the trigger and ordered a Q006 from DocDVD. Unfortunately there is no demo of the Q006 around San Diego that I know of. So I'm hoping to be as pleased as everyone here seems to be. I'm from the CRT crowd and the Qualia Experience thread made me think twice. Fingers crossed that I'll be pleased with the PQ still! :)

Hopefully Penton-Man can get those service codes so that UMR can provide us with good tweaks.

-xrispy

Welcome, xrispy, from a fellow San Diegan. I expect to receive mine from the same source at the end of the week, and there is another local yokel here who has one. There is no place to see one in town to my knowledge.
And, I am sending you a pm here shortly ...

I saw the 004 in NY (before the 006 was available) with my lovely wife and saw them both in Las Vegas. My wife also reacted well to the 004; she looked at me after the demo and said, "where can we put one of those?? I want that." After I explained the price, she looked at me again, smiled and said sweetly, "where did you say we could put it?" But she also like the 006 nearly as much and was floored by the price too (as someone said here, 30k is just the beginning for an 004 theater).

Cheers

Just curious. Could someone verify this. turn on the Q. Is red the dominate color on your set for the first 10 minutes before the set warms up? I could see it big time on mine just by looking at the gray info bar when i change channels on my hd receiver. All is well after about 10 minutes. The Q still kickin butt after 2 weeks of ownership. Thanks.

Thanks Joel! I can't wait. You'll have to let me know how the delivery goes. Hopefully the delivery guys will be nice enough to help move the XBR CRT that weighs a ton when the Q006 arrives. BTW, you are quite lucky to have a wife like that. If I ever pop the question, it will have to be predicated upon them liking home theater equipment! LOL

Originally posted by brt3
Satan was hanging out on the "Qualia Experience" thread
I wouldn’t know, I haven’t been back there for awhile since I saw too many pics of “Angry Old Bugger” who was one of the original trolls on this thread but seems to have moved on to create more havoc elsewhere.:eek:

Originally posted by xrispy

Hopefully Penton-Man can get those service codes so that UMR can provide us with good tweaks.

I'm trying, I'm still trying.
Welcome aboard,
I believe that makes 3 for San Diego !

Originally posted by xrispy
...Hopefully the delivery guys will be nice enough to help move the XBR CRT that weighs a ton when the Q006 arrives.

If you think an XBR/CRT set is heavy just wait...

Plus, with the Qualia you get to do it twice -- first the stand and then the set...

But is it ever worth it!

Originally posted by marcsmul
Based on your input I will vent the cabinet into the basement below to prevent frying the silicon.


marcsmul,
Please take a look at page 6 of the owners manual:

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/Manual.pdf.pdf-binhex.hqx?a=downloadFile&user=raythompson&path=/Pictures/Qualia006/PDFinfo/Manual.pdf

It talks about the ventilation and clearances, and specifically shows the unit in an enclosure with the warning to never install it as shown. If you were to try to vent to another room, you would need a fan in the vent to pull all of the hot air away from the unit and enough inlet space to replenish with cool air.

It is not just the silicon that will suffer from excess heat. The life of your lamp and the rest of the electronics will be reduced. Not to mention the possible life of the warranty if a service tech sees it in an enclosure.

xrispy...

My wife wanted the 004 as well and I was the one who mentioned 30K was just the start.

I must say that I did not buy the 006 site unseen. However, when I did get it delivered, it was better than we saw at the store!

Free advice...before getting married, bring your wife to a highend Audio shop and if she can not hear the difference in sound, give her taxi fare to get home!

OK, kidding of course!


Originally posted by xrispy
Thanks Joel! I can't wait. You'll have to let me know how the delivery goes. Hopefully the delivery guys will be nice enough to help move the XBR CRT that weighs a ton when the Q006 arrives. BTW, you are quite lucky to have a wife like that. If I ever pop the question, it will have to be predicated upon them liking home theater equipment! LOL

Warranty UPDATE 1!

OK, Update 2 will be tomorrow after talking to Rob. However, I called GE and they confirmed what Rob said. It is 5 years AFTER the Sony Warranty expires and they said lamps were covered. That was from GE (1-800-626-2224). Their web site says "We start when the Manufactures Warranty Stops"!


Originally posted by mpsan
I will talk to Rob who said it was 5 years more and did cover the bulb! He checked several times! He gets back from vacation next week, although I do have his cell number.

Regarding my earlier post -- the one about being disappointed with the performance of Blu-Ray at the NYC Qualia store...

Further investigation reveals that D-VHS and Blu-Ray have similar storage capacities and data rates -- 50 GB and 24 Mbps. I wonder if the problems I witnessed were caused by the distribution system in the store, as I wasn't impressed. The compression artifacts reminded me of what I see on Comcast HD signals during prime time viewing hours...

As for now I'll have to take it on faith that Blu-Ray looks as good as described by other members of this thread. Next trip to NYC I think I'll get a box of popcorn, a large Coke, and park my a*s on the Qualia sofa for the full duration of that Blu-Ray demo disc (via the Qualia 004, of course)...

Originally posted by brt3
Blu-Ray was something of a disappointment, to be honest -- which was a HELL of a surprise to me! I just woke up after a hard day of travelling yesterday and am too lazy to look up the specs -- could someone tell me the data storage capacity for D-VHS compared to Blu-Ray? I was seeing compression artifacts and block noise -- a shock, really. If BR is slightly compressed compared to D-VHS that explains it. Otherwise, it may be that Sony's distribution system (The BR player was feeding both the 006 and the 004) may be compromising the signal. If, however, what I saw is just part of the compromise made in the Blu-Ray standard, then we can all look forward to 5-7 years of Blu-Ray, followed by another expensive upgrade of hardware and software. UGGHHH! Reminds me of "Perfect Sound Forvever!"...

brt3,
When I saw the Blu-Ray in Dallas, it looked really good. I was impressed by the split screen, Blu-Ray on one side and standard DVD on the other. I am sure the difference would have been very little if the comparison would have been with D-VHS.

Originally posted by divedude
brt3,
When I saw the Blu-Ray in Dallas, it looked really good. I was impressed by the split screen, Blu-Ray on one side and standard DVD on the other. I am sure the difference would have been very little if the comparison would have been with D-VHS.

DD,

It's good to hear that others have had good experiences viewing Blu-Ray. I can only say that the image I saw in the NYC Qualia store was lacking compared to DVHS with far more compression artifacts. Again, they were sending the BR output to multiple displays; I don't know if this could've been harming the signal in some way. I'll be very interested in seeing what the pricing is for the first wave of BR discs...

mpsan,
I sent you a PM

Way way back nhey posted some instructions for using the Memory Stick slide show feature, but part of his instructions included visiting a local store and "borrowing" a memory-stick capable camera to create the filesystem on the stick. That never sat well with me, but I wasn't able to work up and test an alternate method until I got a set of my own. So here it is:

1) Get a memory stick and some sort of reader/writer for your computer. I used a Sandisk SDDR-97 and a 256MB Sandisk Memory Stick Pro. According to the Qualia manual, the set's reader supports Memory Stick, Memory Stick Pro, Memory Stick Duo, and Memory Stick Pro Duo in sizes up to 1GB, and maybe more.
2) Format the stick using the FAT filesystem (really FAT32). Don't use NTFS.
3) Create a folder named DCIM in the root directory of the stick.
4) Inside the DCIM folder, create a new folder of the form ###XXXXX, where ### is a three-digit number from 100 to 999 and XXXXX is any alphanumeric string of exactly five characters. (I suggest 100STICK.)
5) Put your pictures, movies and MP3 files in the DCIM\100STICK folder and they will show up on the Qualia when you have Digital Camera Folders selected in the Select Folder menu item from the Contents menu.

6) If for some reason you have files with duplicate names, you can create multiple ###XXXXX folders ("101STICK", for example) and split up your picture files among them. They will be sorted according to the ### part of the folder name.

7) As an alternative, you can also choose the Select a Folder option of the Contents | Select Folder menu item and navigate to the root of the memory stick and put your pictures there. If you do this, the Qualia will save this information along with your other settings to the memory stick so that if you insert the same stick, you won't have to re-select the location.

I really like this feature! The Qualia 006 is the biggest, highest-resolution display you're likely to be able to use for this, and perfect for showing off the vacation pictures without crowding around the computer screen or losing all the detail to composite video. Just one more reason to love our Qualias!

--Dwayne

jb007: I humbly nominate this one for "Post #1" status . . . .

Zechman...

Is there a CF to Memory stick adapter that the Q can use? Our camera still uses CF cards. Also, is the quality of the mem stick slot better than a Picture CD?

Great Post...I printed it.

Originally posted by mpsan
Warranty UPDATE 1!

OK, Update 2 will be tomorrow after talking to Rob. However, I called GE and they confirmed what Rob said. It is 5 years AFTER the Sony Warranty expires and they said lamps were covered. That was from GE (1-800-626-2224). Their web site says "We start when the Manufactures Warranty Stops"!

I don't want to belabor the issue but does it cover standard wear on the lamp or just unusual failures?

Wording can be so tricky as any lawyer would tell you.

Originally posted by mpsan
Zechman...

Is there a CF to Memory stick adapter that the Q can use? Our camera still uses CF cards. Also, is the quality of the mem stick slot better than a Picture CD?

Great Post...I printed it.
I'm not aware of any direct adapter. My own camera uses CF cards also, and I just have separate USB reader/writer adapters for CF and MS. (Some of the "27-in-1" adapters don't let you use two different media simultaneously, to copy from one to another.)

The great thing about using the memory stick slot is that you're basically getting your pictures displayed at ~2 mega-pixel resolution. Picture CD's are very close to the Qualia's panel resolution at 1536x1024 natively, but if your camera has more than 2 mega-pixel resolution, then you'll be marginally better off using the memory stick for picture quality. For ease-of-use and overall slickness, the memory stick slot wins hands-down over trying to hook up a computer to display a Picture CD or other media.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by brt3
DD,

It's good to hear that others have had good experiences viewing Blu-Ray. I can only say that the image I saw in the NYC Qualia store was lacking compared to DVHS with far more compression artifacts. Again, they were sending the BR output to multiple displays; I don't know if this could've been harming the signal in some way. I'll be very interested in seeing what the pricing is for the first wave of BR discs...

I wonder if it has something to do with how the signal was being fed since when I was there a couple of weeks ago it looked great but was connected via component. They were switching it over to digital connection that day and I've been meaning to get back there to see the difference.

I'll see if I can run up tomorrow during lunch.

Do you recall what the connection was that you viewed?

I will find out, but lamp wear is not a big issue for me. Still would be nice to not care about Power On Hours. :D

Originally posted by BenDover
I don't want to belabor the issue but does it cover standard wear on the lamp or just unusual failures?

Wording can be so tricky as any lawyer would tell you.

Yes, it is a 3.3 MP camera. I will look, but kind of was looking for a "28 in 1" reader. :D I have a USB2 CF reader, so if I get another reader, I could do a copy.


Originally posted by Zechman
I'm not aware of any direct adapter. My own camera uses CF cards also, and I just have separate USB reader/writer adapters for CF and MS. (Some of the "27-in-1" adapters don't let you use two different media simultaneously, to copy from one to another.)

The great thing about using the memory stick slot is that you're basically getting your pictures displayed at ~2 mega-pixel resolution. Picture CD's are very close to the Qualia's panel resolution at 1536x1024 natively, but if your camera has more than 2 mega-pixel resolution, then you'll be marginally better off using the memory stick for picture quality. For ease-of-use and overall slickness, the memory stick slot wins hands-down over trying to hook up a computer to display a Picture CD or other media.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by BenDover
I wonder if it has something to do with how the signal was being fed since when I was there a couple of weeks ago it looked great but was connected via component. They were switching it over to digital that day... I'll see if I can run up tomorrow during lunch. Do you recall what the connection was that you viewed?

BenDover,

I don't know how the BR player was connected, but it is interesting they recently changed connections. I've heard that DVI -- for example -- doesn't tolerate long cable runs well. Wonder if HDMI be a potential problem in this regard? If they split the signal, then run 50+ feet of cable -- which is the minimum probably required to hide a cable with a front PJ -- well, it does make you wonder...

Interested in hearing what you think, though. Check for artifacts and block noise during scene transitions with dark backgrounds. It happens very, very quickly, BTW. As I mentioned, I was watching the "Spidey" and "Big Fish" trailers...

Hi Everyone.
The 006 is landing friday with stand!
Pics forthcomming soon as time permits.
Thanks again to everyone on this thread for helping me dive in the 006 experience ;-)

Originally posted by timc1475
Hi Everyone.
The 006 is landing friday with stand!
Pics forthcomming soon as time permits.
Thanks again to everyone on this thread for helping me dive in the 006 experience ;-)


Congrats!


Look forward to seeing your gleeful posts.

Here's the pic had to downsize it :-)
The 31" panny will have to roll on as well as the barrel.

Originally posted by timc1475
Here's the pic had to downsize it :-)
The 31" panny will have to move on as well as the barrel.

Nice balancing act.
Replacing that will be like shooting panny's on a barrel :)

Originally posted by BenDover
Nice balancing act.
Replacing that will be like shooting panny's on a barrel :)
LOL
10-4 Bendover,
that gave me a good chuckle hehehe
:-)

Originally posted by BenDover
according to the product specs, the height is 47.05" ... that .05 in. is not even a sixteenth of an inch. worst comes to worst you can either 1) give the stand a light sanding :) or 2) just let the screen part float; i.e., it won't be entirely flush (i think that might give you a more aesthetically pleasing look, but that is just imho). if i had my set i would measure for you b/c i can almost feel your pain/desperation, but i can't imagine the measurement being off from the stated value on sony's spec sheet.

Ben, You are always very helpful. Sorry you don't have your own 006 to measure for me maybe one of the kind elitists who are fortunate to have one will take the time to measure the height for me and make suggestions to help me in my moment of desperation.

You are such a nice guy I may send you mine. I feel your pain for not having an 006, yet you read this forum and make it enjoyable for us all. I hope the results are any where close to the anticipation resulting from the enthusiasm of the elites.

Hoping to join the elitists soon - what the h... I will just take a sander to the big mother till it fits...........Marc

FYI...while I am using the temp stand, my 975 is connected with a 5M HDMI cable.


Originally posted by brt3
BenDover,

I don't know how the BR player was connected, but it is interesting they recently changed connections. I've heard that DVI -- for example -- doesn't tolerate long cable runs well. Wonder if HDMI be a potential problem in this regard? If they split the signal, then run 50+ feet of cable -- which is the minimum probably required to hide a cable with a front PJ -- well, it does make you wonder...

Interested in hearing what you think, though. Check for artifacts and block noise during scene transitions with dark backgrounds. It happens very, very quickly, BTW. As I mentioned, I was watching the "Spidey" and "Big Fish" trailers...

Anyone watch American Idol tonight?

Great pic...after about 5 minutes. It seemed very bright and almost washed out for about the first 5 minutes. Otherwise it was great. I did notice, however, that Ryan's jacket, at times, was noisy. Was it their lighting, or my sharpness control?

Just what do you need measured again? As close as I can tell it is 47" to top of Q from table top.


Originally posted by marcsmul
Ben, You are always very helpful. Sorry you don't have your own 006 to measure for me maybe one of the kind elitists who are fortunate to have one will take the time to measure the height for me and make suggestions to help me in my moment of desperation.

You are such a nice guy I may send you mine. I feel your pain for not having an 006, yet you read this forum and make it enjoyable for us all. I hope the results are any where close to the anticipation resulting from the enthusiasm of the elites.

Hoping to join the elitists soon - what the h... I will just take a sander to the big mother till it fits...........Marc

br3

Since the 006s performance was improved using the ilink input, could it be that the demo you saw was over something other than ilink? Aren't most distribution systems either component or coax??

Originally posted by JimP
Since the 006s performance was improved using the ilink input, could it be that the demo you saw was over something other than ilink? Aren't most distribution systems either component or coax??

JimP -- I was assuming the Qualia store was using something other than FireWire, but I'm not sure they don't have some type of HDMI distribution. Anyone in the biz (colortv or editor58???) know the answer to this?

mspan -- thanks for the input. Not sure how HDMI would fare with a 50-foot run, however...

Am watching "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" in HD on the Qualia -- fantastic! If you're in the mood for a QT film-fest try "Pulp Fiction" as well; a great demo is the scene with John Travolta and Uma Thurman in Jack Rabbit Slim's...

BTW -- found a great new toy for anyone looking to watch their Qualia at night while significant others are trying to do something less important (like sleeping). AKG Hearo 999 Audisphere II (http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,mynodeid,164,id,731,pid,731,_language,EN.html) wireless headphones with Dolby Digital. I've tried lots of wireless headphone products and have returned them all. AKG has this one nailed; while I wouldn't call them true audiophile grade they do a great job. Once you have them fine-tuned to your ear-type -- get the surround settings to your liking -- they do a wonderful job. Highly recommended!

When does a display have too much resolution? When you're watching HDnet's Bikini Destinations: Fantasy (http://store.yahoo.com/hdnet-store/bidefa.html) on D-VHS and you can see the scars where the models have had breast enlargement surgery. Damn you, Qualia 006, damn you for smashing my fantasies to bits...

brt3,

qt was a "guest director" on sin city...saw it last night...i enjoyed it, but very "weird/strange" movie...should look great on the Q.

i've been judging movies lately on their Q potential :)

Good news for Qualia wannabees:
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5505507#post5505507

Originally posted by mpsan
Anyone watch American Idol tonight?

Great pic...after about 5 minutes. It seemed very bright and almost washed out for about the first 5 minutes. Otherwise it was great. I did notice, however, that Ryan's jacket, at times, was noisy. Was it their lighting, or my sharpness control?
1280*720p to 1920*1080 conversion is the culprit.

The existing lower 720p native resolution displays may actually look better than Qualia here. Sorry!

Originally posted by brt3
When does a display have too much resolution? When you're watching HDnet's Bikini Destinations: Fantasy (http://store.yahoo.com/hdnet-store/bidefa.html) on D-VHS and you can see the scars where the models have had breast enlargement surgery. Damn you, Qualia 006, damn you for smashing my fantasies to bits...
Mark Cuban is putting out a bunch of crappy programming. Especially those including his rather large ego.

Originally posted by reincarnate
1280*720p to 1920*1080 conversion is the culprit.

The existing lower 720p native resolution displays may actually look better than Qualia here. Sorry!

So am I to understand that it takes about 5 min. for the conversion from 720p to 1080i to "stabilize" before it looks breathtaking on the Q006?

Interesting.

Originally posted by reincarnate
Especially those including his rather large ego.

Heck, if you sell a worthless dotcom for $5 billion, you can have an ego as large as you want:)

Originally posted by BenDover
So am I to understand that it takes about 5 min. for the conversion from 720p to 1080i to "stabilize" before it looks breathtaking on the Q006?

Interesting.
Not at all. Any LCD/SXRD/LCOS only looks its best when the sources native resolution matches the displays native resolution. 1080 = 1080 is best.

In any other situation hardware based scalers are introduced. They introduce distortion if they zoom in at anything else than integer multiples.

For example:
A 1280*720 picture could be displayed perfectly on a 2560*1440 display, but not on a 1920*1080 one.

1920/1280 = 1.5
1080/720 = 1.5

You have uncovered the rather large 720p to 1080 issue, which will cause many others to complain after they upgrade to 1080 displays. Congratulations on being first!

An HDMI update. It appears that my new Direc TV HD Tivo has had an HDMI failure--which seems to be pretty common, according to the Tivo community forum. It happened last night shortly after turn-on. As a quick fix to rescue the evening, I just connected the component cables, without trying anything to remedy the problem. What a difference! The HD picture lost it's 3-D like depth and SD lost definition. I don't need any other kind of test to conclude that an HDMI feed at 1080i from the HD Tivo to the Q006 is vastly superior to the component cable feed.

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
Will you please ask the Royal Fetcher to send the Royal Pouch over here when Foxy is finished with the truly aged Fillet Mignon. Mini Dive and I need a tie breaker to determine which is better with the HDTivo, HDMI or component :confused:
divedude - please see the post above by Ted.
Currently, the queen and the Royal Pouch are on a work stoppage....demanding more perks to continue as study participants in further testing.

Originally posted by Zechman
jb007: I humbly nominate this one for "Post #1" status . . . .

Dwayne:

Done :)

jb007

Originally posted by brt3
When does a display have too much resolution? When you're watching HDnet's Bikini Destinations: Fantasy (http://store.yahoo.com/hdnet-store/bidefa.html) on D-VHS and you can see the scars where the models have had breast enlargement surgery. Damn you, Qualia 006, damn you for smashing my fantasies to bits...

brt3, this is your second warning in two days! Stop bashing the Q006 on the Owner's Thread. You're really damaging our label as a cult. If you continue to persist, I shall contact Sir Penton-Man and ask that he send the royal fetcher to duct tape your fingers closed. :D