Originally posted by jb007
brt3, this is your second warning in two days! Stop bashing the Q006 on the Owner's Thread. You're really damaging our label as a cult. If you continue to persist, I shall contact Sir Penton-Man and ask that he send the royal fetcher to duct tape your fingers closed. :D
Exact- A- Mundo !
And it’s mammary augmentation surgery to elitists, brt !!!

Let's not forget our position in society.:D

Originally posted by reincarnate
Not at all. Any LCD/SXRD/LCOS only looks its best when the sources native resolution matches the displays native resolution. 1080 = 1080 is best.

In any other situation hardware based scalers are introduced. They introduce distortion if they zoom in at anything else than integer multiples.

For example:
A 1280*720 picture could be displayed perfectly on a 2560*1440 display, but not on a 1920*1080 one.

1920/1280 = 1.5
1080/720 = 1.5

You have uncovered the rather large 720p to 1080 issue, which will cause many others to complain after they upgrade to 1080 displays. Congratulations on being first!

How does this compare to 1080i signals scaled to present 720p(766,768 and other derivative resolutions) sets??

50'...I am not sure just what the spec is!

Originally posted by brt3
JimP -- I was assuming the Qualia store was using something other than FireWire, but I'm not sure they don't have some type of HDMI distribution. Anyone in the biz (colortv or editor58???) know the answer to this?

mspan -- thanks for the input. Not sure how HDMI would fare with a 50-foot run, however...

Am watching "Kill Bill: Vol. 1" in HD on the Qualia -- fantastic! If you're in the mood for a QT film-fest try "Pulp Fiction" as well; a great demo is the scene with John Travolta and Uma Thurman in Jack Rabbit Slim's...

BTW -- found a great new toy for anyone looking to watch their Qualia at night while significant others are trying to do something less important (like sleeping). AKG Hearo 999 Audisphere II (http://www.akg.com/products/powerslave,mynodeid,164,id,731,pid,731,_language,EN.html) wireless headphones with Dolby Digital. I've tried lots of wireless headphone products and have returned them all. AKG has this one nailed; while I wouldn't call them true audiophile grade they do a great job. Once you have them fine-tuned to your ear-type -- get the surround settings to your liking -- they do a wonderful job. Highly recommended!

Ben, I believe the first 5 minutes was a "source" issue. It was where Ryan gave last weeks intro, etc. When the show began it was fine. Also, re: the noise...it was still great, I just noticed a little noise if I looked hard. Being a new set, I over evaluate the Q. Same as when you buy high end audio...you don't listen to anything! :D

Originally posted by BenDover
So am I to understand that it takes about 5 min. for the conversion from 720p to 1080i to "stabilize" before it looks breathtaking on the Q006?

Interesting.

For all those looking for a way to mount their large center speakers above the 006, this is a good mount to consider.

http://www.btech-usa.com/bt518current.htm

Penton-Man

I'm trying, I'm still trying.
Welcome aboard,
I believe that makes 3 for San Diego !

Just kidding Penton-Man - but still hoping you can pull some strings! :)

brt3

If you think an XBR/CRT set is heavy just wait...

Yep, checked the weight on it. Glad I no longer live in an upstairs condo unit with no elevator!

mspan

Free advice...before getting married, bring your wife to a highend Audio shop and if she can not hear the difference in sound, give her taxi fare to get home!

That's a damn good idea! Haven't thought of that. lol

Neo2005

For all those looking for a way to mount their large center speakers above the 006

Ah! Thanks Neo2005, I was wondering what I was going to do with the center. Didn't really want it down low, but haven't thought of a TV mount. That will work nicely!

-xrispy

I'm just leaving the qualia showroom and I couldn't see the problems brt saw with the bluest material.
Also checked out the 04 and it was very impressive but a bit washed out in comparison to the 006 IMHO. That was with all the lights off, with the lights on it was very washed out.

Other than Shear size, I would take the 006 over the 004.

Yup. 3,000 pieces of PM not withstanding, that was our thoughts exactly!


Originally posted by BenDover
I'm just leaving the qualia showroom and I couldn't see the problems net saw with the bluest material.
Also checked out the 04 and it was very impressive but a but washed out in comparison to the 006 IMHO. That was with all the lights off, with the lights on it was very washed out.

Other than Shear size, I would take the 006 over the 004.

Hello Neo2005:

Another route is the one we are taking. We are getting a stand from Diamondcase...the Theater-Tech tt-400. They will customize it and, in our case, they are making us a matching wooden shelf. They are creating a stain to closely match our B&W speakers.

I know others on this threat have bought from them and they have been great to work with. We are talking to Dave there.


Originally posted by Neo2005
For all those looking for a way to mount their large center speakers above the 006, this is a good mount to consider.

http://www.btech-usa.com/bt518current.htm

Originally posted by mpsan
Just what do you need measured again? As close as I can tell it is 47" to top of Q from table top.



MPSAN:

That is all I needed. Someone to measure the height to ensure it will fit in my wall unit. Bottom to top. Exactly 47 inches not 47 1/2.


Thanks. If it doesn't fit I will send pictures of the only Q installed at an angle.

Marc

Originally posted by wojtek
Heck, if you sell a worthless dotcom for $5 billion, you can have an ego as large as you want:)


Plus you can be a AVS member and genuinely nice guy....still the only billionaire I know that will return my email!

Originally posted by marcsmul
MPSAN:

That is all I needed. Someone to measure the height to ensure it will fit in my wall unit. Bottom to top. Exactly 47 inches not 47 1/2.


Thanks. If it doesn't fit I will send pictures of the only Q installed at an angle.

Marc

Btw, what is your front to back dimension/clearance in your wall unit?

If the height is off by a hair or more, you may be able to get the set into and behind the wall unit opening and have it slightly recessed as opposed to floating in front.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Exact- A- Mundo !
And its mammary augmentation surgery to elitists, brt !!!

Let's not forget our position in society.:D

Hell, I'm going to get Eileen to start posting negative posts...:D

Originally posted by mpsan
Ben, I believe the first 5 minutes was a "source" issue. It was where Ryan gave last weeks intro, etc. When the show began it was fine. Also, re: the noise...it was still great, I just noticed a little noise if I looked hard. Being a new set, I over evaluate the Q. Same as when you buy high end audio...you don't listen to anything! :D

My comment wasn't really serious; the comment that prompted my response didn't seem to make sense to me but I see now that reincarnate was speaking to the noise in Ryan's shirt as opposed to post first 5 min.

In that regard, the qualia is no different than any other set out there since we don't get 1080 or 720 uniformly...networks have adopted different resolutions.

I would think though that the future holds uniform 1080p and therefore the reason behind all the 1080p sets hitting the market.

Originally posted by marcsmul
Thanks. If it doesn't fit I will send pictures of the only Q installed at an angle.

Marc

No, no, no. Then you must acquit. :D

Well, as someone else said, if it were 47 1/8, that would be flush and you could have it out just a little.

However, I measured 47", but I was careful as I did not want to scratch the screen!

Originally posted by marcsmul
MPSAN:

That is all I needed. Someone to measure the height to ensure it will fit in my wall unit. Bottom to top. Exactly 47 inches not 47 1/2.


Thanks. If it doesn't fit I will send pictures of the only Q installed at an angle.

Marc

OK, so far any issues I have are source.

Originally posted by BenDover
My comment wan't really serious; the comment that prompted my response didn't seem to make sense to me but I see now that reincarnate was speaking to the noise in Ryan's shirt as opposed to post first 5 min.

In that regard, the qualia is no differney than any other set out there since we don't get 1080 or 720 uniformly...networks have adopted different resolutions.

I would think though that the future holds uniform 1080p and therefore the reason behind all the 1080p sets hitting the market.

Show off Q006!!!

I just dropped in a few minutes of a Netflix I got. We will watch it tonight, but based on 2 minutes it is the best I have seen on the Q so far as far as Pic, Sound and interest.

It is called "Winged Migration", has anyone else seen this?

Now, JB, THAT was funny (for us lawyers anyway)! :) RIP, Johnny Cochrane .... who's watching that big 006 in the sky. I bet they have high-def DVDs already up there, ya know? Plus the signals are always good and the programming is free.

Cheers

OH no! I didn't know you were a lawyer!! :D

I have a funny Lawyer story about my Q...


Originally posted by Joel
Now, JB, THAT was funny (for us lawyers anyway)! :) RIP, Johnny Cochrane .... who's watching that big 006 in the sky. I bet they have high-def DVDs already up there, ya know? Plus the signals are always good and the programming is free.

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
...based on 2 minutes it is the best I have seen on the Q so far as far as Pic, Sound and interest. It is called "Winged Migration", has anyone else seen this?

mspan,

That is one of the best films I've seen in the past five years or so. Saw it in theatrical release, and we left the movie house stunned. Some of the most amazing footage I've ever seen! Glad to hear they made a transfer worthy of the film...

Not only that but the DVD has a 52 minute "Making of" and great 5.1 sound!



Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

That is one of the best films I've seen in the past five years or so. Saw it in theatrical release, and we left the movie house stunned. Some of the most amazing footage I've ever seen! Glad to hear they made a transfer worthy of the film...

Originally posted by mpsan
Yup. 3,000 pieces of PM not withstanding, that was our thoughts exactly!

Exactly what I thought when I saw them in Vegas. Perhaps the 004 there isn't set up properly??? I thought the 006 vastly superior.

And on another note... IT IS FINALLY ON THIS SIDE OF THE WORLD! Just called to check on the set and it's been pulled from the warehouse but has NOT been picked up yet. They expected that i'll have it next week. WELL DAMN, FINALLY!!! I started down this path after seeing the set at CES... had I known then what I know now I would've marched STRAIGHT down to Caesar's and placed an order.

brt3, I have the Sony 975. I set it to 1080i and connect via HDMI. Is that still what is supposed to be best? At one time people were saying that we should use 480i and let the Q006 upconvert.


Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

That is one of the best films I've seen in the past five years or so. Saw it in theatrical release, and we left the movie house stunned. Some of the most amazing footage I've ever seen! Glad to hear they made a transfer worthy of the film...

Originally posted by mpsan
brt3, I have the Sony 975. I set it to 1080i and connect via HDMI. Is that still what is supposed to be best? At one time people were saying that we should use 480i and let the Q006 upconvert.

one of the salespeople in the sony store today indicated that the 975 has an "auto" option that works only witn sony sets that allows it to detect automagically what output resolution it should select.

I think so, especially with HDMI. I may try and switch it.


Originally posted by BenDover
one of the salespeople in the sony store today indicated that the 975 has an "auto" option that works only witn sony sets that allows it to detect automagically what output resolution it should select.

You want the 975 to send 480i over HDMI to the 006. Don't let the unit do anything else -- I haven't tried mine yet but I wouldn't assume that the 975 would pick 480i as it's output, it would probably pick 1080i as its output to a 006.

Yes, mpsan, JB007 and I are among the fallen, members of the bar. :)

Cheers

Two local dealers have the 006 on display ---the last one I viewed had it next to a new JVC 720p 86 series. They both were on TW cable on a HD channel. Both were OOTB settings and in a well lit room. The Sony was so much better it was not even close. The Sony was more 3d like and the colors were much more vibrant and true. Detail in facial shots was so much better on the Sony and sharper than the JVC which I thought was very soft looking. The JVC was the 61in. size but showed alot more artifacts than the 70 in Sony. With the source signal being split thru the store all sets had some noise but on the Sony it was very hard to see. All I can say is WOW this is one impressive TV. Now if what I hear is true and Sony will have a 60 in set out in Nov. (as a Grand Wega) I have found my new TV.

Roy :)

Originally posted by mpsan
I think so, especially with HDMI. I may try and switch it.

yes, it has to be connected via hdmi for this feature to work.

Originally posted by Joel
You want the 975 to send 480i over HDMI to the 006. Don't let the unit do anything else -- I haven't tried mine yet but I wouldn't assume that the 975 would pick 480i as it's output, it would probably pick 1080i as its output to a 006.

Yes, mpsan, JB007 and I are among the fallen, members of the bar. :)

Cheers

i've been thinking about this for some time now since this bit of information surfaced and can't help but ask myself why do i need to buy a dvd player that has anything other than digital out (hdmi or dvi)...hell, it doesn't even have to be a progressive player. the scaling/processing in the Q will be better than anything you can find in a player for that price range.

it is for this reason that i haven't purchased the 975...yet.

i've gotten everything else...in fact, ordered a monster hts5100 yesterday and the shelving for my rack to house the new gear...just waiting on the damned Q!!!

OH no, not JB007 too!

Anyway, I may just switch to 480i to watch Winged Migration tonight.


Originally posted by Joel
You want the 975 to send 480i over HDMI to the 006. Don't let the unit do anything else -- I haven't tried mine yet but I wouldn't assume that the 975 would pick 480i as it's output, it would probably pick 1080i as its output to a 006.

Yes, mpsan, JB007 and I are among the fallen, members of the bar. :)

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
Anyway, I may just switch to 480i to watch Winged Migration tonight.

mspan -- I'm using the 975 @ 480i over HDMI; IMHO this works better (by far) than letting the player output 1080i...

Another QRD (Qualia Reference Disc) you may want to try is "Microcosmos". This DVD has some of the best photography I've ever seen, and I think there's a remastered DVD coming out...

I kind of made the 975 part of my Q deal and got a great price on it. While waiting for the Q to be delivered, I hooked it up to a plasma and that 975 is GREAT! Looks great on the Q now as well. May switch back to 480i.

Originally posted by BenDover
i've been thinking about this for some time now since this bit of information surfaced and can't help but ask myself why do i need to buy a dvd player that has anything other than digital out (hdmi or dvi)...hell, it doesn't even have to be a progressive player. the scaling/processing in the Q will be better than anything you can find in a player for that price range.

it is for this reason that i haven't purchased the 975...yet.

i've gotten everything else...in fact, ordered a monster hts5100 yesterday and the shelving for my rack to house the new gear...just waiting on the damned Q!!!

Great. I will see if Netflix has that one. I will switch to 480i.

P.S. We moved here from Saratoga in the Bay Area so do know Novato a little.


Originally posted by brt3
mspan -- I'm using the 975 @ 480i over HDMI; IMHO this works better (by far) than letting the player output 1080i...

Another QRD (Qualia Reference Disc) you may want to try is "Microcosmos". This DVD has some of the best photography I've ever seen, and I think there's a remastered DVD coming out...

Brother Ben, the reason is that there are, at present, only three DVD players made that will send out 480i over HDMI. The 975 (the cheapest of the lot), the Pioneer 59avi and the Arcam FMJ-27 (if memory serves me on the model number). The Pio and Arcam have MSRPs north of $1500. Both are better built than the 975 and may demonstrate subtle improvement being used only as transports than the 975, but I view the 975 as an interim solution until B-R or HD-DVD hits.

You're right, if it were available -- a simple DVD transport with the ability to send 480i via HDMI out would be great. Certainly it's not rocket science. Plus, 480i over DVI is not part of the approved DVI spec. There may be a player or two that carries it (I am not certain) but very few devices will ACCEPT 480i on INCOMING DVI signals. Other devices may show up that can do it, but it's probably not worth waiting for them given the relatively low cost of the 975 and the short time horizon until Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, IMO.

Right now, the most cost effective way to get digital 480i from a DVD player into the 006 is the 975. I confirmed all this with Kris Deering at Secrets and by lots of searching on the DVD hardware forum.

That's why I got the 975.

Cheers

BTW, a great set of discs -- if you're in the Nature mood -- would be "Winged Migration", "Baraka", and "Microcosmos"...

Thank you. Netflix has it and I added it to my queue!

Originally posted by mpsan
Great. I will see if Netflix has that one. I will switch to 480i.

P.S. We moved here from Saratoga in the Bay Area so do know Novato a little.

Baraka is quite cool. I second that. As is Koyannisqatsi (did I spell that right?)

Cheers

Yup. It is not "Rocket Surgery", but some of the players do leave something out. :D I think the 975 is a bargain as it does perform well...especially with the new build and 1.9 firmware!

Originally posted by Joel
Brother Ben, the reason is that there are, at present, only three DVD players made that will send out 480i over HDMI. The 975 (the cheapest of the lot), the Pioneer 59avi and the Arcam FMJ-27 (if memory serves me on the model number). The Pio and Arcam have MSRPs north of $1500. Both are better built than the 975 and may demonstrate subtle improvement being used only as transports than the 975, but I view the 975 as an interim solution until B-R or HD-DVD hits.

You're right, if it were available -- a simple DVD transport with the ability to send 480i via HDMI out would be great. Certainly it's not rocket science. Plus, 480i over DVI is not part of the approved DVI spec. There may be a player or two that carries it (I am not certain) but very few devices will ACCEPT 480i on INCOMING DVI signals. Other devices may show up that can do it, but it's probably not worth waiting for them given the relatively low cost of the 975 and the short time horizon until Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, IMO.

Right now, the most cost effective way to get digital 480i from a DVD player into the 006 is the 975. I confirmed all this with Kris Deering at Secrets and by lots of searching on the DVD hardware forum.

That's why I got the 975.

Cheers

Yup, Netflix has them all.

Originally posted by brt3
BTW, a great set of discs -- if you're in the Nature mood -- would be "Winged Migration", "Baraka", and "Microcosmos"...

Originally posted by Joel
Brother Ben, the reason is that there are, at present, only three DVD players made that will send out 480i over HDMI. The 975 (the cheapest of the lot), the Pioneer 59avi and the Arcam FMJ-27 (if memory serves me on the model number). The Pio and Arcam have MSRPs north of $1500. Both are better built than the 975 and may demonstrate subtle improvement being used only as transports than the 975, but I view the 975 as an interim solution until B-R or HD-DVD hits.

You're right, if it were available -- a simple DVD transport with the ability to send 480i via HDMI out would be great. Certainly it's not rocket science. Plus, 480i over DVI is not part of the approved DVI spec. There may be a player or two that carries it (I am not certain) but very few devices will ACCEPT 480i on INCOMING DVI signals. Other devices may show up that can do it, but it's probably not worth waiting for them given the relatively low cost of the 975 and the short time horizon until Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, IMO.

Right now, the most cost effective way to get digital 480i from a DVD player into the 006 is the 975. I confirmed all this with Kris Deering at Secrets and by lots of searching on the DVD hardware forum.

That's why I got the 975.

Cheers

Well, I've had a Samsung HD841 (i think that is the model) for over a year now and have loved it since i got it. it has dvi out and i think it does 480i over dvi but i'll have to recheck.

anyhow, what i will probably do is a shootout between the 841 and the 975 to see if i should bother buying yet another stopgap player (that is what the 841 was) before HD DVDs are released, whether they be HD-DVD, BluRay or something in between.

[EDIT: Oh yeah, you'll have to add me to the fallen list as well... :) ]

Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

That is one of the best films I've seen in the past five years or so. Saw it in theatrical release, and we left the movie house stunned. Some of the most amazing footage I've ever seen! Glad to hear they made a transfer worthy of the film...

Good footage, but animal lovers criticized the method used to get this footage (rightly so, IMHO).

I don't want to post spoilers; if mpsan cares he will do his own research.

You too? Another lawyer? I can hear the jokes already ... :)

I don't think the 941 passes 480i over its DVI output -- but if it does .... then get a DVI-HDMI adaptor and use it instead of the 975. I have an older Sammy DVD player, and I don't think it does 480i over DVI either.

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
OH no, not JB007 too!

OH no, not BenDover too! :)

...but I heard there are no lawyer jokes. The stories are all true! :D

Originally posted by Joel
You too? Another lawyer? I can hear the jokes already ... :)

I don't think the 941 passes 480i over its DVI output -- but if it does .... then get a DVI-HDMI adaptor and use it instead of the 975. I have an older Sammy DVD player, and I don't think it does 480i over DVI either.

Cheers

I will see. I wonder if the "making of" part shows more about how they did it?

Originally posted by wojtek
Good footage, but animal lovers criticized the method used to get this footage (rightly so, IMHO).

I don't want to post spoilers; if mpsan cares he will do his own research.

Originally posted by mpsan
I wonder if the "making of" part shows more about how they did it?

Yes.

Originally posted by brt3

Another QRD (Qualia Reference Disc) you may want to try is "Microcosmos".

QRD huh! Nice Ray! :D

Question about the choice of DVD output...

If you were to tell the DVD player to output in 480i, would the TV not see that as 4:3 material and stretch it, whereas if you have the DVD player upconvert, the TV would not stretch?

Observation:

When watching Sienfeld or NFL network on a HR10-250, if I tell it to output 480i, there are obvious compression artifacts in the picture, but when the output is 480p or better, they go away.

Still not sold that the TV should be doing the converting...

OK, I made a mistake, I actually have the Samsung HD-931; oddly enough, older than the 841 (I can never figure out product numbering).

Anyhow, I don't think it outputs 480i out of the DVI but I'll doublecheck tonight when I get home.

I can't remember now, if the Q receives a 480p signal, does that result in all the internal processing getting bypassed, or at least some of it...I know the manual indicates that certain features/settings aren't available when certain signals are input into the Q.

Yep, I think that's the one I have, the first upscaling player that Sammy introduced. I like it fine.

The 006 processes everything to 1080p, but it has better electronics than the chip in the Samsung. Still, you could take a 975 home, A/B it with the Sammy and see what you like better. I have not perused the manual (yet).

Cheers

OK, here's a strange one. While watching my 006 last night, I noticed a small insect crawling on the screen - the size of a gnat or flea. I walked up to the TV to remove the bug when much to my surprise I discovered that the bug was on the INSIDE of the screen! Fortunately it crawled up to the top and out of view, not seen again...yet.

Imagine my shock! I have visions of critters building a nest on the inaccessible innards of my beloved Qualia! Unless Sony is playing pranks by having a "virtual" bug crawling on the screen, I'm a bit concerned. Because of the tiny size, it must have been on the front screen rather than on the light engine which would have magnified the bug to the size of a cockroach! I hope the darned thing got fried! I assumed the faceplate was fully sealed to prevent dust from entering, but I'm scratching my head over this one!

Here's some news from today's Los Angeles Times that bodes well for a common standard for high definition DVD's. One standard, even if it's somewhat compromised, is good for us all.
>>>
CALIFORNIA
Sony, Toshiba Step Up Talks on DVD Technology Standard
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Sony Corp. and Toshiba Corp. are working on an agreement that could come as early as this month to jointly develop a unified standard for next-generation DVDs, a Japanese newspaper reported.

The Nihon Keizai Shimbun reported in its online edition that Sony and Toshiba stepped up closed-door negotiations around February to find a resolution to the standoff between their competing products. As the leaders of the two camps supporting rival standards, Sony and Toshiba have waged a three-year battle that involves nearly 200 companies worldwide.

After reaching a basic agreement that a unified standard would be desirable, they are now looking to develop a hybrid standard that takes advantage of each standard's strengths, the newspaper said.

Sony is said to have proposed using Blu-ray's disc structure and HD DVD software technology. Toshiba has presented the idea of using HD DVD's disc structure, which is closer to that of current DVDs, and employing Sony's multilayer data-recording technology, the report said.

A Sony spokeswoman declined to confirm the report but said, "Sony's focus is and has always been to provide the best consumer experience. In the area of next-generation optical discs, we continue to be open to discussions with supporters of other formats consistent with this focus."

A Toshiba spokesman declined to comment.

Although the companies have yet to forge a detailed agreement, the talks are expected to produce a workable solution since both are likely to be eager to avoid a repeat of the VHS-Betamax videocassette war.

The report said Sony and Toshiba had already begun briefing Walt Disney Co. and Time Warner Inc., as well as Hollywood movie studios, for approval of a unified standard and to pave the way for the signing of an official agreement between the rival camps.

Originally posted by colortv
Here's some news from today's Los Angeles Times that bodes well for a common standard for high definition DVD's. One standard, even if it's somewhat compromised, is good for us all.

***

Yes, I agree, "one standard to rule them all" would be good in the long run for consumers and I would like to see this happen, however, in the interest of my selfish pursuits :) this inevitably means that it will be some time before we get hardware/DVDs for HD recording/playback :(

Originally posted by colortv
Here's some news from today's Los Angeles Times that bodes well for a common standard for high definition DVD's. One standard, even if it's somewhat compromised, is good for us all.

Yup, although I hope they choose Blu-Ray as the storage medium. I want that larger capacity.

Does anyone have an opinion as to when the first REFURBISHED Qualia will be sold? Will it be the greatest REFURB of all time? Do you think Qualia owners should be caught associating with Qualia REFURB buyers? If you watched a Qualia REFURB and it had a better picture than your new Qualia would you be able to admit it? Would you seek psychiatric counseling for such a situation? If UMR also viewed the REFURB and said it was the best Qualia he ever saw would you contemplate suicide?

Originally posted by Artwood
would you contemplate suicide?

Yes, if I was forced to read all this nonsense…..

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=1791441

:D

I hereby nominate the followng name, to serve as official thread euphemism for "trolls".

BLUE GHOSTS

Seconds?

Originally posted by brt3
I hereby nominate the followng name, to serve as official thread terminology for "troll".

BLUE GHOSTS

Seconds?
Ah, you read dee article.
I second the motion.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah, you read dee article.
I second the motion.

Actually, no -- when attempting your link all I get is: " vBulletin Message: Please specify some words or valid user names to search on. There were no matches for those that you specified."

Back to the business at hand: all in favor say "aye"...

Or "BG" for the typing impaired

OK...BG it is!

From MPSAN, Weaver HS, Hartford, CT, Class of 19...never mind! :D

Originally posted by RonB63
Or "BG" for the typing impaired

I'm watching Alias from the other night and there is a scene, a little more than half way through, where there is a big honking tv (sydney and sloan are talking). it looks like a sony but i can't quite tell if it is the Q006 or not...anyone?

Originally posted by colortv
OK, here's a strange one. While watching my 006 last night, I noticed a small insect crawling on the screen - the size of a gnat or flea. I walked up to the TV to remove the bug when much to my surprise I discovered that the bug was on the INSIDE of the screen! Fortunately it crawled up to the top and out of view, not seen again...yet.



Color,
Are you sure that it was a real bug or was the Qualia sooooo good that it looked real! :D

Originally posted by kaduku
Color,
Are you sure that it was a real bug or was the Qualia sooooo good that it looked real! :D

I wish! It was crawling directly over Ryan Seacrest's face! Fortunately, it hasn't been back.

Originally posted by colortv
I wish! It was crawling directly over Ryan Seacrest's face! Fortunately, it hasn't been back.

Now that explains it all!!! :D

Artwood,

Joel, whom I respect immensely, has previously stated you are not a blue ghost. However, after reading your previous post, I am mystified. A couple of weeks ago there was an extremely sarcastic poster who drove away a lot of the good folks here. Certainly that's not your intention, is it?

:confused:

Originally posted by jb007
Artwood,

However, after reading your previous post, I am mystified.
:confused:

You would not be if you had looked up Artwood's past posts.

He likes to challenge "dogmas" which these forums are full of. It's called curmudgeon, I believe.

He's alright in my book.

Originally posted by wojtek
You would not be if you had looked up Artwood's past posts.

He likes to challenge "dogmas" which these forums are full of. It's called curmudgeon, I believe.

He's alright in my book.


Are you praising him or insulting him?

:)

Dogmas are meant to be challenged but there are non-abrasive means for doing so unless you want to be labeled a curmudgeon.

Did we not learn the lesson already that we can disagree but be civil about it at the same time?

Originally posted by wojtek
You would not be if you had looked up Artwood's past posts.

He likes to challenge "dogmas" which these forums are full of. It's called curmudgeon, I believe.

He's alright in my book.

*LOL* Yes, just misunderstood... I can't recall the user-id he was under previously but he's even been banned from AVS before. IMO he's kinda the forum mascot.

Please drop the off topic discussion.

Thank you

Originally posted by Artwood
Does anyone have an opinion as to when the first REFURBISHED Qualia will be sold? Will it be the greatest REFURB of all time? . . .

Sony does have a network of factory outlets (http://products.sel.sony.com/SEL/consumer/outlets/) around the country, and I've purchased quite a few refurbished products (mostly car stereo stuff) from the one in Lancaster, PA, when I lived in PA. Generally, things go at close to half price for refurbished stock, although the majority of the store is new "overstock" that is discounted to (I think) close to wholesale.

So I'd have to say yes, if a Qualia 006 showed up at a Sony outlet (~$7000 out the door), it would be the greatest refurb of all time!

But you'd have to take it home yourself. They don't deliver. :(

--Dwayne

colortv,

i'm actually quite shocked, and a bit concerned, that a bug was able to find its way into the "light compartment" ... with such high end optics and electronics in that compartment, the possibility of FOD (including living matter) finding its way in there and possibly contaminating the optics and/or electronics truly troubles me.

someone should communicate such a finding to sony. i can imagine reasons for the compartment not being airtight, but they should at least have screens/filters, etc. to preclude any FOD contamination.

Insects in RPTV's is a common thing. First you have this huge torch burning that attracts them at first. Then you are likely to have some light leak from the back and around the fan. These light engines need the air movement so that is a path that a bug can use. I've heard that some people apply screening to the air intake locations to prevent entry. It may work, but be cautious of reducing the airflow needed to allow proper cooling.

BarryBud makes a great point -- it's from the ventilation area, not the screen, that dust and pesky bugs get into things. Some FPs have filters but the airflow volumes are what is key. You have to maintain airflow volume. usually the bugs don't last long. Nothing to eat, hot as heck and no way out. And it does suit Ryan Seacrest ... lol

Artwood is not a BG because (among other reasons, like he does generally know what he is talking about), unlike certain other posters, he has a sense of humor and likes to poke fun at sacred cows including his own from time to time. Doesn't bother me a bit. I thought his last post was very funny. :)

Cheers

Hey! The delivery truck will be there in less than one hour! Wish me luck. Can I lift it all by myself??? (I've been in the gym for weeks...) lol

Cheers!

Great news, Joel. Don't forget, Sharpness at 0! :D

Let us know how it goes and show us your stand!

Originally posted by Joel
Hey! The delivery truck will be there in less than one hour! Wish me luck. Can I lift it all by myself??? (I've been in the gym for weeks...) lol

Cheers!

Originally posted by Joel
Hey! The delivery truck will be there in less than one hour! Wish me luck. Can I lift it all by myself??? (I've been in the gym for weeks...) lol

Cheers!

Joel, I'm on my way over. I've been doing a lot of lifting since the baseball season started (32 oz. at a time) :)

Enjoy, and welcome *officially* to the cult. You will soon be a full-fledged Qualian :D

Ok, it's here. But I've been tied up with work ever since they got here. It looks great. But nothing is plugged into it yet. I will post stuff when I can but it may be a day or so, depending on work and kids and Passover tomorrow, lots going on.

But it sure is nice to see it in the family room.

Cheers -- later!

Joel

p.s.: JB, you and I must be hitting the same gym, although my weights are more in the 750 ml range .... :)

DISCLAIMER: By downloading this file you accept full responsibility for any damage that might result to your set! Please DON'T try this unless you know what you're doing!

That being said, I've posted instructions on how to access the lamp/panel time in the service menu here. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

Originally posted by Joel


...

It looks great. But nothing is plugged into it yet.

...

That's just too funny :)

Congratulations and enjoy your holiday.

If you get a chance to A/B the Samsung 931 vs. the Sony 975 I would be most interested in your impressions.

Enjoy!

Originally posted by brt3
DISCLAIMER: By downloading this file you accept full responsibility for any damage that might result to your set! Please DON'T try this unless you know what you're doing!

That being said, I've posted instructions on how to access the lamp/panel time in the service menu here. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

CAVEAT EMPTOR!

I believe I've stated this before and maybe I'm wrong, but normally accessing the service menu, in addition to empowering you to really screw up your set (to the point of it not working), VOIDS your warranty from Sony. They can determine when/if the service menu was accessed.

Joel...go no further! I believe you just found a way to extend our lamp life.

I think this should be posted on the first page! :D


Originally posted by BenDover
That's just too funny :)

Congratulations and enjoy your holiday.

If you get a chance to A/B the Samsung 931 vs. the Sony 975 I would be most interested in your impressions.

Enjoy!

Fellow Qualians . . .

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)

When I inquired about compensation, she asked, "what do you have in mind?" I responded the upcoming Qualia LCD would be nice for my bedroom. She said . . .

"I wish I could." :(

It should be fun anyway :)

Now this thread will have it's own celebrity!! :)

Originally posted by jb007
Fellow Qualians . . .

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)

When I inquired about compensation, she asked, "what do you have in mind?" I responded the upcoming Qualia LCD would be nice for my bedroom. She said . . .

"I wish I could." :(

It should be fun anyway :)

Great...I sure would not want anyone at work to know I have the Q! :D

Originally posted by jb007
Fellow Qualians . . .

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)

When I inquired about compensation, she asked, "what do you have in mind?" I responded the upcoming Qualia LCD would be nice for my bedroom. She said . . .

"I wish I could." :(

It should be fun anyway :)

Originally posted by BenDover
I believe I've stated this before and maybe I'm wrong, but normally accessing the service menu, in addition to empowering you to really screw up your set (to the point of it not working), VOIDS your warranty from Sony. They can determine when/if the service menu was accessed.

BenDover,

Thanks for the info. That's news to me, but my past experience has been with other brands (who did not have this policy). Can someone confirm this? My intention was simply to offer something I mentioned previously after someone joked about the "hourmeter" inside the lamp housing. I deliberately left out 95% of the service manual to keep things simple and safe. I can't believe having a set ISF certified would void the warranty. UMR (or anyone else) -- care to comment on this? I will remove the information from the site if this is really Sony corporate policy...

Originally posted by mpsan
Great...I sure would not want anyone at work to know I have the Q! :D

Maybe jb007 should have them pixelate his face to maintain his secret identitiy...

Originally posted by mpsan
Great...I sure would not want anyone at work to know I have the Q! :D

Everyone in my office already knows... and took it upon themselves to schedule movie nights at my house. Nice of them to ask me :D

I see several places advertising the 006 for less than ten. In stock, too. With Sony warranty.

jb007

they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006

That is so cool! You'll have to post a link to the video of course!!

peterhodes

I see several places advertising the 006 for less than ten. In stock, too. With Sony warranty.

Oh, now you post after I just ordered mine! :)

Originally posted by BenDover
They can determine when/if the service menu was accessed.

brt3,
Does that service manual show how to reset the service menu access flag?

Originally posted by jb007
Fellow Qualians . . .

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)


jb007,
Mini Dive would like your autograph, congratulations :cool:

Yeah...check out MPsuberbuys (aka MP superstore) rating on resellerratings, too! Very bad! 2.88!!

When I spend this much money, I want a store I can call if I have a problem. Makes me wonder where this place is getting the sets?
Maybe they are the first Qualia Refurbs we heard about a few pages back? :D

Originally posted by xrispy
That is so cool! You'll have to post a link to the video of course!!



Oh, now you post after I just ordered mine! :)

Originally posted by brt3
BenDover,

Thanks for the info. That's news to me, but my past experience has been with other brands (who did not have this policy). Can someone confirm this? My intention was simply to offer something I mentioned previously after someone joked about the "hourmeter" inside the lamp housing. I deliberately left out 95% of the service manual to keep things simple and safe. I can't believe having a set ISF certified would void the warranty. UMR (or anyone else) -- care to comment on this? I will remove the information from the site if this is really Sony corporate policy...

Brt3,

An isf calibrator is an authorized person performing an authorized service.
Admittedly I am not certain about sony's official or unofficial policy.

My direct knowledge is limited to samsung.

Usually their written policy states the end user cannot acces the service menu but then they don't enforce it or they selectively enforce it...sort of like marriage vows :)


Are there any indications on the service manual?

Dude!!!! You did an RTFM????? This is only allowed twice/year!

P.S. You have PM.


Originally posted by divedude
jb007,
Mini Dive would like your autograph, congratulations :cool:

Well, I told my clients I had a very important meeting the rest of the day... which is true, sort of .... The 006 is all in, hooked up to the 975 via HDMI and to my TWC Pioneer cable box via component. I tried to use a DVI-HDMI cable from the cable DVI output, but it looked much worse than via component. Any feedback there would be helpful.

JB, my good neighbor, a bona fide celebrity! Will wonders never cease! How cool is that?

I appreciate brt posting the service menu access (UMR can probably take it from here, which will be interesting). I, for one, am not going to touch that thing. Not yet, anyway.

BenDover, if I get around to it, I will try. I have a DVI-HDMI cable and will try the Sony into input 7 and the 931 into input 6 (both HDMI inputs - no. 6 has audio inputs for a DVI-HDMI connection).
The PQ looks great, but honestly, I've spent all of 30 minutes in front of it. DVD looks amazing (Gladiator and LOTR II), HD looks even better and SD looks like the garbage that it is.

That's about it for now ...

Cheers!

P.S.: sorry, it's a little blurry and at 640x480, not much detail. But you get an idea ... note the TT-400 stand. :)

OK they are going to charge my cc "in the near future" so it can't be too far away now.

They are getting a shipment on Monday and will provide me with shipping info soon thereafter, I suspect.

Originally posted by divedude
brt3 - Does that service manual show how to reset the service menu access flag?

No; the only reset listed is the one that takes everything back to factory specs...

Joel,

You were right, it looks great, even turned off...didn't one of the magazine reviewers state that?

Joel, as you know, I will be getting a TT-400 from the next batch of TT-400's. Looks like it will be a perfect fit without the speakers.





Originally posted by Joel
Well, I told my clients I had a very important meeting the rest of the day... which is true, sort of .... The 006 is all in, hooked up to the 975 via HDMI and to my TWC Pioneer cable box via component. I tried to use a DVI-HDMI cable from the cable DVI output, but it looked much worse than via component. Any feedback there would be helpful.

JB, my good neighbor, a bona fide celebrity! Will wonders never cease! How cool is that?

I appreciate brt posting the service menu access (UMR can probably take it from here, which will be interesting). I, for one, am not going to touch that thing. Not yet, anyway.

BenDover, if I get around to it, I will try. I have a DVI-HDMI cable and will try the Sony into input 7 and the 931 into input 6 (both HDMI inputs - no. 6 has audio inputs for a DVI-HDMI connection).
The PQ looks great, but honestly, I've spent all of 30 minutes in front of it. DVD looks amazing (Gladiator and LOTR II), HD looks even better and SD looks like the garbage that it is.

That's about it for now ...

Cheers!

P.S.: sorry, it's a little blurry and at 640x480, not much detail. But you get an idea ... note the TT-400 stand. :)

Now available on my Qualia webpage: I took all picture settings from each available review and combined them in one document:

PICTURE SETTINGS: TEXT (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Personal31.html)

PICTURE SETTINGS: DOWNLOAD (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

It's not easy being anal-retentive...

:rolleyes:

Originally posted by mpsan
Dude!!!! You did an RTFM????? This is only allowed twice/year!

P.S. You have PM.

mpsan,
I'm guilty of reading the large manual, but not the quick start one. Mini Dive grabbed the QS manual when I got the set and has been hiding it until now. I guess he thought it was his size :D

Does anyone know if the Qualia thread is being saved on any of Sony's corporate computers? I always wanted to be president of Sony one day!

Has anyone watched any old color movies on their Qualia? The ultimate test for a display isn't old black and white or even new high def color--the big test is old color. If North by Northwest looks good on the Qualia--I would even have to reasses it.

I used to be anal retentive until I stumbled across this site and I've been relieving myself ever since.

One last question: Do you think the Qualia will look better, the same, or worse if it is made in smaller sizes?

P.S. I always thought the definition of crumudgeon was Andy Rooney pontificating on an Apex. If I've reached that level I want to offer my sincerest apologies--are you so sure it's not easy?!

Originally posted by Artwood
I used to be anal retentive until I stumbled across this site and I've been relieving myself ever since.


*ROFLMAO*

Originally posted by Artwood
I used to be anal retentive until I stumbled across this site and I've been relieving myself ever since.

I have but one word for you: DEPENDS...

Originally posted by jb007
Fellow Qualians . . .

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)

When I inquired about compensation, she asked, "what do you have in mind?" I responded the upcoming Qualia LCD would be nice for my bedroom. She said . . .

"I wish I could." :(

It should be fun anyway :)

Will this be a OTA Qualia High Definition Event ?

Stew

Originally posted by jb007

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006. :)



JB,
Congratulations, you definitely deserve it! Don't forget to mention us!
Also I think you asked too much compensation. You should had asked for something a little more cheaper and reasonable, like the Qualia HD video camera. :D

This afternoon I was speaking to salesmen at the main Sony Store here in Vancouver. They told me they expect to take delivery of 2 new Qualia flatscreen models in July ... one 46 and the other 48 inches. One will be a SXRD model and the other one will be a totally new technology which they are very excited about - apparently it has a response time measure in microseconds! Both sets will have a resolution of 1920x1080.

They also will be taking delivery of the first Blu-Ray DVD players in the fall.

All very good news ... I see a Qualia in my near future ... in my livingroom!

Originally posted by jb007

I just received a telephone call from someone at Sony in New York. I was told I was the very first person in the U.S. to have purchased the QUALIA 006 and Sony wanted to interview me for an event they are holding in Palm Springs. I agreed, and next week they are sending a video crew to my home to conduct the interview in front of the Q006.


Penton should divert the Sony people to his house ...............if only to restore balance to the force.

lol



p.s.
Don't forget to mention me to the people at Sony.

Originally posted by HiDef Bob
This afternoon I was speaking to salesmen at the main Sony Store here in Vancouver. They told me they expect to take delivery of 2 new Qualia flatscreen models in July ... one 46 and the other 48 inches. One will be a SXRD model and the other one will be a totally new technology which they are very excited about - apparently it has a response time measure in microseconds! Both sets will have a resolution of 1920x1080.

They also will be taking delivery of the first Blu-Ray DVD players in the fall.

All very good news ... I see a Qualia in my near future ... in my livingroom!


O.K. Bob, you've got to go back and get more details on what they're calling "a totally new tech." :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

Originally posted by JimP
O.K. Bob, you've got to go back and get more details on what they're calling "a totally new tech." :) :) :) :) :) :) :)

The "new tech" in the 46-incher is the LED backlighting. It is a Direct View LCD panel. It will cost $14,000.

The 48" - I dunno, but hope it will be SXRD RPTV.

All this talk about ISF calibration and voiding the warranty by accessing the service menu. Why go there? To the best of my knowledge and I am ISF certified (no great accomplishment, anyone who can pay the tuition and attend the two day class gets certified), all controls needed to perform the calibration are in the user menu. You know, color, hue, brightness, contrast (whatever the manufacturer calls this), sharpness etc and white balance (those 6 RGB settings under white balance). I do not know exactly what is available in the service menu but the user accessible stuff is all an ISFer really needs.

BTW. Supply of the 006 now exceeds demand.

jb007, it is fitting, that you were called. have fun with the interview. a real basic question but is there any way to watch tv on the q without having so much picture cropped? in particular, on cablevision (digital), even the hd channels, it is typical that the picture cuts off the top and bottom, resulting in heads cut in half, etc. this happens on all modes (normal, full, wide zoom etc). the q is hooked into the sci atlantic explorer 8300 stb via hdmi cable. also, i have the 99es dvd, but i am considering getting the 975. any thoughts on whether it is worth in some respect going backward on the dvd player? thanks for your help!

Originally posted by MotorMouth777

Penton should divert the Sony people to his house ...............if only to restore balance to the force.

Not at all, jb’s credit card was the first in the U.S. to be charged for the 006…. ergo, he was the first to purchase the 006.

Enjoy the experience, jb.:)

Originally posted by apache1
jb007, it is fitting, that you were called. have fun with the interview. a real basic question but is there any way to watch tv on the q without having so much picture cropped? in particular, on cablevision (digital), even the hd channels, it is typical that the picture cuts off the top and bottom, resulting in heads cut in half, etc. this happens on all modes (normal, full, wide zoom etc). the q is hooked into the sci atlantic explorer 8300 stb via hdmi cable. also, i have the 99es dvd, but i am considering getting the 975. any thoughts on whether it is worth in some respect going backward on the dvd player? thanks for your help!

i believe it is confirmed at this point that the 975 will give you a better picture than sony's top of the line players, including their es line. the salesmen in the sony store also presented it this way, recognizing the irony.

Originally posted by mark haflich
All this talk about ISF calibration and voiding the warranty by accessing the service menu. Why go there? To the best of my knowledge and I am ISF certified (no great accomplishment, anyone who can pay the tuition and attend the two day class gets certified), all controls needed to perform the calibration are in the user menu. You know, color, hue, brightness, contrast (whatever the manufacturer calls this), sharpness etc and white balance (those 6 RGB settings under white balance). I do not know exactly what is available in the service menu but the user accessible stuff is all an ISFer really needs.

BTW. Supply of the 006 now exceeds demand.

it was my understanding that some isf calibration involves going into the service menu...my bad.

the warranty being voided should be inquired about; mark, can you speak to sony about this and get us an answer...or anyone else with sony contacts?

I had the same experience re the 975. Qualia stores use it to demo the 006, not the ES level players.

Artwood, you crack me up. But you can't be president of Sony, that's gonna be JB's job ...

Cheers

Originally posted by wojtek
The "new tech" in the 46-incher is the LED backlighting. It is a Direct View LCD panel. It will cost $14,000.

The 48" - I dunno, but hope it will be SXRD RPTV.

The salesman showed me a small Sony MP3 player as a very small example of this "new tech" LED backlighting. $14,000 is a pretty hefty price for a 46" screen! It will be interesting for compare it to a SXRD.

As for the 48" screen - if I understood correctly, yes it will be a SXRD RPTV. I am hoping the price comes in at something much more affordable.

COGRATS jb007,

It is truly amazing that you were the first, considering all of hype and even the price hike that pissed everyone off. I would have thought some movie star or NFL player would have been the first. I hope you point out to Sony how much they owe to you, since you were certainly the catalyst that got a lot of people off their fence setting butts (including me:). Your first reporting set the forum ablaze and hasn't been the same since then. Having the balls to pull the trigger, kinda quoting Motormouth here, is the stuff that makes good attorneys too!!

Guys,
I decided to jump on the 975 bandwagon and have hooked it up via HDMI. What is the consensus on the settings?

HDMI resolution -
Progressive button -
Picture mode -

Thanks in advance :)

Originally posted by divedude
Guys,
I decided to jump on the 975 bandwagon and have hooked it up via HDMI. What is the consensus on the settings?

HDMI resolution -
Progressive button -
Picture mode -

Thanks in advance :)

man, you guys are going to force me into submission ...:eek:

DD, I just changed mine to 480i (from 1080i) and use HDMI. Have not changed other settings yet but sure will be looking for answers here!


Originally posted by divedude
Guys,
I decided to jump on the 975 bandwagon and have hooked it up via HDMI. What is the consensus on the settings?

HDMI resolution -
Progressive button -
Picture mode -

Thanks in advance :)

Here comes the truck!!

Originally posted by BenDover
man, you guys are going to force me into submission ...:eek:

BenDover,
As I was buying the 975, I was thinking about how much money this thread is costing me (you're welcome Sony). But it's fun and I am having a great time :D

Just for new potential buyers... before 006 is set onto the stand the top cover must be removed BEFORE placement.
Have the delevery guys check the instructions that come with the stand in the box.
This sure beats the panny on the barrel lol
HD is awe inspiring :-)
My folks are comming over tomorrow for dinner & a movie.
Man are they in for a treat...OH YEAH!!

Originally posted by timc1475
Here comes the truck!!

timc1475,
Boy does that look familiar. Congratulations and ENJOY ! ! !

Originally posted by divedude
Guys,
I decided to jump on the 975 bandwagon and have hooked it up via HDMI. What is the consensus on the settings?

HDMI resolution -
Progressive button -
Picture mode -

Thanks in advance :)
DD – for what it’s worth as I am apparently the only 006 owner that doesn’t have this player….

Resolution – The “consensus” is to use 480i over HDMI; however, after umr’s findings with the 006, I would do an A/B comparison with Mini-Dive regarding 480i over HDMI vs 1080i over HDMI just to make sure that 480i is truly better.

Progressive button – I must have read the manual on this over 4 months ago but to the best of my knowledge the progressive button on the panel effects component only.

Picture Mode – I think that depends on what firmware version you have. What do you have and where did you get the player?

Originally posted by mpsan
DD, I just changed mine to 480i (from 1080i) and use HDMI. Have not changed other settings yet but sure will be looking for answers here!

mpsan,
I spent a couple of hours switching the settings this afternoon, but I need to do a lot more experimenting. I guess I will just have to watch a DVD tonight and see what shakes out :D

Off to see some HD...til tomorrow all :-)

Originally posted by timc1475
Off to see some HD...til tomorrow all :-)

Congrats and enjoy!

Did that unassuming, elderly man do a one-man delivery :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
DD – for what it’s worth as I am apparently the only 006 owner that doesn’t have this player….

Resolution – The “consensus” is to use 480i over HDMI; however, after umr’s findings with the 006, I would do an A/B comparison with Mini-Dive regarding 480i over HDMI vs 1080i over HDMI just to make sure that 480i is truly better.

Progressive button – I must have read the manual on this over 4 months ago but to the best of my knowledge the progressive button on the panel effects component only.

Picture Mode – I think that depends on what firmware version you have. What do you have and where did you get the player?

PM,
I thought you had one. In my experimentation, I couldn't see much difference, but the 1080i looked slightly better. But we need to do much more A / B comparisons.

The manual says to use progressive if connected to component and the TV accepts progressive. Then it says to use interlace if the TV does not accept progressive and it is connected to other then component with their example being line out and s-video. They don't say about HDMI, but I think it is lumped in with componet. Either way, it seems to work the same, except with progressive pushed, I get a nice pretty light.

The 975 was made 3/21/05 and has firmware 1.9, I checked that right off. I got it at Starpower in Dallas. It was all new, no scratch marks or indication of being refurbished.

Now I need to go find Mini Dive. He took the batteries out of the remote, said he wanted them in case his ran low . . .

timc1475

Is that a Christmas bush on the right??

Yes, the 975 thread on DVD players gives a few settings, but I have not changed them yet. DVD's look and sound great. I did move sharpness on Q to 0, too. Seems to clean up small amount of noise I had.


Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I spent a couple of hours switching the settings this afternoon, but I need to do a lot more experimenting. I guess I will just have to watch a DVD tonight and see what shakes out :D

DD I, too, have 1.9 but where does it show build date?


Originally posted by divedude
PM,
I thought you had one. In my experimentation, I couldn't see much difference, but the 1080i looked slightly better. But we need to do much more A / B comparisons.

The manual says to use progressive if connected to component and the TV accepts progressive. Then it says to use interlace if the TV does not accept progressive and it is connected to other then component with their example being line out and s-video. They don't say about HDMI, but I think it is lumped in with componet. Either way, it seems to work the same, except with progressive pushed, I get a nice pretty light.

The 975 was made 3/21/05 and has firmware 1.9, I checked that right off. I got it at Starpower in Dallas. It was all new, no scratch marks or indication of being refurbished.

Now I need to go find Mini Dive. He took the batteries out of the remote, said he wanted them in case his ran low . . .

Originally posted by Penton-Man
DD – for what it’s worth as I am apparently the only 006 owner that doesn’t have this player….
Nope, all I have is an XBox with a brand new power cord! I have it connected via component and use 480i mode exclusively. ;)

I'm still waiting for a Sony QualiaStation 003 to use as my Blu-Ray player. :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by timc1475
Off to see some HD...til tomorrow all :-)

Congrats to you!!! Start having fun!!!!!! :D

Originally posted by mpsan
DD I, too, have 1.9 but where does it show build date?

mpsan,
There was a label on the side of the box. In the bottom right hand corner, there is a date. It doesn't look like a shipping label and the guy where I purchased it said it was the build date.

Originally posted by mpsan
Yes, the 975 thread on DVD players gives a few settings, but I have not changed them yet. DVD's look and sound great. I did move sharpness on Q to 0, too. Seems to clean up small amount of noise I had.

mpsan,
After much more experimentation last night, I am happy with the settings as they come. I compared the same DVD on the 975 and on my 2.5 year old Dennon and the 975 wins hands down.

Movie Alert

I watched "House of Flying Daggers" last night. It looked stunningly beautiful on the 006. The first few chapters will knock your socks off with the colors and choreography. I watched it dubbed in English without subtitles.

Great, are you still at 1080i?
Also, I have several labels and will look at the box again.


Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
After much more experimentation last night, I am happy with the settings as they come. I compared the same DVD on the 975 and on my 2.5 year old Dennon and the 975 wins hands down.

does anyone have lipsync issues with the Q? i am noticing much lipsynch issues watching discoveryHD and HDNet movie channel on direct tv. I swear i can not recall seeing this on my xbr 60 lcd that the Q replaced. Any feedback appreciated. thanx.

Originally posted by hifi59
does anyone have lipsync issues with the Q? i am noticing much lipsynch issues watching discoveryHD and HDNet movie channel on direct tv. I swear i can not recall seeing this on my xbr 60 lcd that the Q replaced. Any feedback appreciated. thanx.

The only lipsync problems I've experienced was with American Idol on FOX HD, but I was told on this thread that the problem was with FOX feed, not with the Q006. I also have D*.

Originally posted by divedude
Movie Alert

I watched "House of Flying Daggers" last night. It looked stunningly beautiful on the 006. The first few chapters will knock your socks off with the colors and choreography. I watched it dubbed in English without subtitles.

DD,
Remember brt3 has a new term for this, "QRD (Qualia Reference Disc)" :D

I see a small label on the side of the box but no date. The top has two labels but no date either.


Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
There was a label on the side of the box. In the bottom right hand corner, there is a date. It doesn't look like a shipping label and the guy where I purchased it said it was the build date.

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
After much more experimentation last night, I am happy with the settings as they come.
You’re probably on the right track, I believe that someone reported that with the 1.90 firmware the player passes BTB simply with the default settings rather than clicking down the brightness and contrast levels(as was needed with the initial firmware)….commercial break over…back to the San Marino..... track that is.:)

Originally posted by mpsan
Great, are you still at 1080i?
Also, I have several labels and will look at the box again.

mpsan,
I have it set to 1080i, auto progressive and picture = standard.

If the box is flat so you can read the top, look on the left side, mine has a 5.5 X 3.25 label. There is small print on the bottom right of label that says 032105. It is either the manufacturing or the shipping date.

Originally posted by hifi59
does anyone have lipsync issues with the Q? i am noticing much lipsynch issues watching discoveryHD and HDNet movie channel on direct tv. I swear i can not recall seeing this on my xbr 60 lcd that the Q replaced. Any feedback appreciated. thanx.

hifi59,
I have seen that on some of the shows on DiscoverHD. Next time it is noticeable, I will switch the output to 480i and send it to another TV and see if it is the source or the TV.

Originally posted by BenDover
Congrats and enjoy!

Did that unassuming, elderly man do a one-man delivery :)
No there were 3 unassuming men, 2 actually got the 006 inside & intact. Which made me VERY relieved.

I just got the mx800 remote (the one in the box)

Hopefully it will put the other remotes on permanent vacation.

I'll be hooking up my media center pc to hdmi #7
the pc's grafix card is the radion ati x800xt
I think there is an update ill need to work with the 006
to get it to do 1920 by 1080.
The card can up to 2 monitors,
anyone have input where/what to download then what to do?
I am using a 19" monitor hooked up to the pc as well...the card has 2 dvi outs.
Thanks

My lipsync is very bad on PBS-HD...on all sets.

Don't have DiscoveryHD...yet!

Originally posted by kaduku
The only lipsync problems I've experienced was with American Idol on FOX HD, but I was told on this thread that the problem was with FOX feed, not with the Q006. I also have D*.

OK, looked again.

Top has 2 labels. One from SLA Logistics center in Carson, CA. Other is for FedEx from SLA to The Store I bought it from.

Right side has a small label with Model and Serial Number, etc. Left side has NOTHING. Now, I wonder just what that means?



Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I have it set to 1080i, auto progressive and picture = standard.

If the box is flat so you can read the top, look on the left side, mine has a 5.5 X 3.25 label. There is small print on the bottom right of label that says 032105. It is either the manufacturing or the shipping date.

Originally posted by mpsan
My lipsync is very bad on PBS-HD...on all sets.

Don't have DiscoveryHD...yet!

hifi59
I got a chance to do my experiment and the lipsync is also off on my other TV's, so it is not the 006. And it happens on both HDTivo and my Samsung HD SAT receiver. I really notice it on DiscoveryHD. It tends to vary with source material. The good news is that it is not very noticeable on nature programs :D

Originally posted by mpsan
OK, looked again.

Top has 2 labels. One from SLA Logistics center in Carson, CA. Other is for FedEx from SLA to The Store I bought it from.

Right side has a small label with Model and Serial Number, etc. Left side has NOTHING. Now, I wonder just what that means?

mpsan,
Mini Dive says "just print this one and stick it on your box" . . .

:D Thanks DD. I think that I will let it ride for now. When I post my Q pics, I have a mouse that we got in Osaka that wants to be in the picture. I hope he (Yoshi) gets along with Mini-Dive!

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
Mini Dive says "just print this one and stick it on your box" . . .

i purchased the ns 975 yesterday, together with the 5th element (superbit) dvd. i noticed the lip sync problem was VERY noticeable for the last 10 minutes of the movie. the box for the dvd does not have any identifying labels to determine when it was made. is there a way to confirm the 1.90 firmware? thanks

set 3 weeks old went to turn on set no freeking picture has sound, 2 min. tv shuts down by itself and red lamp lite flashing on front of set. called sony warranty gave me repair phone numbers for local repair shop . guy said they will order bulb & power supply overnite to them & will call me mon. or tues. to set up repair time. when i spoke to sony warranty they said they didnt think it was the bulb. long weekend watching 10 year old sony 32 in. xbr. any one know of this type of problem!!!!???thanks

Originally posted by apache1
i purchased the ns 975 yesterday, together with the 5th element (superbit) dvd. i noticed the lip sync problem was VERY noticeable for the last 10 minutes of the movie. the box for the dvd does not have any identifying labels to determine when it was made. is there a way to confirm the 1.90 firmware? thanks

apache1,
Here is what Penton-Man posted back in the thread and this works . . .

Originally posted by Penton-Man
With the unit off, pick up the remote and press (in order) "top menu", "clear", then hit the power button to turn the unit on. You will be in the menu. From there you can choose to read the firmware version.

Appreciate any thoughts about using the Qualia speakers for the center channel. Is it possible? Good or bad idea? Thanks much.

thanks so much divedude, 1.90 confirmed. kinda weird, but i think the 975 beats the 999es that i swapped it for, imho, after watching 3 dvds so far

Originally posted by stuart anker
set 3 weeks old went to turn on set no freeking picture has sound, 2 min. tv shuts down by itself and red lamp lite flashing on front of set. called sony warranty gave me repair phone numbers for local repair shop . guy said they will order bulb & power supply overnite to them & will call me mon. or tues. to set up repair time. when i spoke to sony warranty they said they didnt think it was the bulb. long weekend watching 10 year old sony 32 in. xbr. any one know of this type of problem!!!!???thanks

I don't recall anyone on this forum having a problem like this. Please keep us posted with how it is resolved by Sony.

If I plan not to use the SONY speakers but go through my NAD for all sound, is a HMDI from DVD player or other source like Sat receiver to be used or just DVI?:confused: :confused: :confused:

I think DVI/HDMI for picture is still the way to go. I am doing the same. 975 to Q006 via HDMI and Audio from 975 to Proc via Coax Digital.


Originally posted by Neo2005
If I plan not to use the SONY speakers but go through my NAD for all sound, is a HMDI from DVD player or other source like Sat receiver to be used or just DVI?:confused: :confused: :confused:

Originally posted by stuart anker
set 3 weeks old went to turn on set no freeking picture has sound, 2 min. tv shuts down by itself and red lamp lite flashing on front of set.

Stuart,

Could you post the pattern of lamp flashes? I have the service manual and this set has a LOT of Morse-code style patterns for fault codes. I'll be glad to look up what your flashes indicate...

Originally posted by brt3
Stuart,

Could you post the pattern of lamp flashes? I have the service manual and this set has a LOT of Morse-code style patterns for fault codes. I'll be glad to look up what your flashes indicate...

Qualians helping Qualians. I just love this place (most of the time ;))

seems as though sony's support site has finally caught up to the qualia distribution. you can now put in the qualia model number (KDS70Q006) and be directed to a page that is specifically for the Q006. From there you can also download the manual or the quick setup guide and see any FAQs/troubleshooting help.

i was searching the sony manual for any specifics as to their warranty and strangely came across a passage warning about "burn-in" ... any comments?

Originally posted by gellis
Appreciate any thoughts about using the Qualia speakers for the center channel. Is it possible? Good or bad idea? Thanks much.

i have no subjective knowledge regarding using them as a center speaker although it is certainly physically possible.

i was actually considering using them as my "presence" speakers ( i have a yamaha receiver). this would require me to mount them on the wall away from the set itself (presence speakers are supposed to be mounted higher than, and slightly farther apart than, the fronts).

when i get my set and have it all hooked up i'll probably just experiment with them as the presence speakers and report back, however, wouldn't be the same as using them as the center. the presence speakers only output "ambiance" whereas the center is very important in a ht setup.

Originally posted by gellis
Appreciate any thoughts about using the Qualia speakers for the center channel. Is it possible? Good or bad idea? Thanks much.
On general principle, I don't recommend it. The sound is not bloody likely to "match" the sound from the L/R speakers.

For the Qualia 006 in particular, you have a worst-case-scenario for trying to do this: the TV is very large and the speakers are on the sides, five and a half feet apart--hardly in the "center". :(

BUT, if you must, you can do it using any input except #7, which is an HDMI with no separate audio input. There's no easy way to connect wires directly to the speakers because of the way they mate up directly to the set with a proprietary connector.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by BenDover
when i get my set and have it all hooked up i'll probably just experiment with them as the presence speakers and report back, however, wouldn't be the same as using them as the center. the presence speakers only output "ambiance" whereas the center is very important in a ht setup.
I doubt you'll get very far with this, for the reason I just posted. The Qualia's speakers have a proprietary connector that is on the "front" side of the speakers (to mate up with a matching connector on the back of the TV). They also have a bass reflex port on the back near the bottom that you wouldn't want to block by having them against a wall.

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
On general principle, I don't recommend it. The sound is not bloody likely to "match" the sound from the L/R speakers.

For the Qualia 006 in particular, you have a worst-case-scenario for trying to do this: the TV is very large and the speakers are on the sides, five and a half feet apart--hardly in the "center". :(

BUT, if you must, you can do it using any input except #7, which is an HDMI with no separate audio input. There's no easy way to connect wires directly to the speakers because of the way they mate up directly to the set with a proprietary connector.

--Dwayne

oh, well there goes my idea :)

Originally posted by Zechman
I doubt you'll get very far with this, for the reason I just posted. The Qualia's speakers have a proprietary connector that is on the "front" side of the speakers (to mate up with a matching connector on the back of the TV). They also have a bass reflex port on the back near the bottom that you wouldn't want to block by having them against a wall.

--Dwayne

see above (supra for the lawyers)

Ben, you have GOT to stop posting replies to my replies while I'm typing replies to your replies. Now our posts actually work better if you read them backwards . . . . :D

--Dwayne

Originally posted by Zechman
Ben you have GOT to stop posting replys while I'm typing replys to your replys. . . . :D

--Dwayne

guess i'll be buying yet another set of speakers...you see, i promised my kids that we would have 11 speakers (as far as kids are concerned...and the wife for that matter...the subs are speakers too :) )

Originally posted by BenDover
Originally posted by Zechman
Ben you have GOT to stop posting replys while I'm typing replys to your replys. . . .


Originally posted by Zechman
Ben, you have GOT to stop posting replies to my replies while I'm typing replies to your replies.

A public service announcement:

Now you see, boys and girls, this is what happens when two people engage in a conversation by talking (er, typing) simultaneously:

He actually responded to my post while I was still editing for grammar and spelling. :(

We now return you to your regularly scheduled Qualia 006 owners thread, already in progress . . . . ;)

--Dwayne

Originally posted by BenDover
...From there you can also download the manual or the quick setup guide and see any FAQs/troubleshooting help.

i was searching the sony manual for any specifics as to their warranty and strangely came across a passage warning about "burn-in" ... any comments?

You can also get the quick-start guide here, on my website. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

I noticed the text you mention about burn-in; I'm guessing this is an extreme-case concept that's in the manual to give Sony an "I told you so" in case of disgruntled customers. I'm betting you'd have to use the Q006 for gaming an awful lot for this to be a problem...

Originally posted by BenDover
seems as though sony's support site has finally caught up to the qualia distribution. you can now put in the qualia model number (KDS70Q006) and be directed to a page that is specifically for the Q006. From there you can also download the manual or the quick setup guide and see any FAQs/troubleshooting help.

i was searching the sony manual for any specifics as to their warranty and strangely came across a passage warning about "burn-in" ... any comments?
Well, what a nice easter egg!

Why are you so vague in your description? Does CTRL-C CNTL-V still work?

Could someone post the link to the download site?
http://esupport.sony.com/perl/select-system.pl?DIRECTOR=DOCS&template=EN

So is the Qualia technology unsuitable for use as a multi-media HTPC display or not?

Originally posted by brt3

...

I noticed the text you mention about burn-in; I'm guessing this is an extreme-case concept that's in the manual to give Sony an "I told you so" in case of disgruntled customers. I'm betting you'd have to use the Q006 for gaming an awful lot for this to be a problem...

Either that (i.e., the lawyers snuck it in there for a CYA, giving them a lot of credit for such forethought) or it just "slipped" through (i.e., giving the lawyers no credit) as, e.g., a sloppy copy/paste job, from a different manual, etc.

Knowing what I know, either one is just as likely :)

Originally posted by reincarnate
Well, what a nice easter egg!

Why are you so vague in your description? Does CTRL-C CNTL-V still work?

Could someone post the link to the download site?
http://esupport.sony.com/perl/select-system.pl?DIRECTOR=DOCS&template=EN

So is the Qualia technology unsuitable for use as a multi-media HTPC display or not?

Your link doesn't seem to work, this will take you directly there. (http://esupport.sony.com/perl/model-find.pl?mdl=KDS70Q006&LOC=3&RECALL=YES&DIRECTOR=NEWS)

As for the easter egg, see my post above.

From what I can tell, people are already using it connected to their PCs; as for suitability, not sure what you are using as your performance/suitability metric (Is it the same thing you keep asking about? If so, no one seems to have that answer, yet.

Why do folks think 1080i out of the 975 looks better than 480i? What is it about it that is better? I think it looks amazing at 480i, I was marveling at it all weekend (have not tried 1080i though). UMRs thread notwithstanding, I would have thought that the 006 would do a better job of deinterlacing and scaling 480i than the 975.

Suggestion: since the bulk of the users have the Sony 975, it would be great if we could have the 975 settings posted on p. 1 as well. Whatcha think, JB?

My suggestion is that folks post as many settings from the 975 as they can, including the screen/aspect ratio choices, black levels.

Cheers

Yup, another error in the Warranty is that you have to bring in the set yourself. :D

Originally posted by BenDover
Either that (i.e., the lawyers snuck it in there for a CYA, giving them a lot of credit for such forethought) or it just "slipped" through (i.e., giving the lawyers no credit) as, e.g., a sloppy copy/paste job, from a different manual, etc.

Knowing what I know, either one is just as likely :)

I was at 480i and went to 1080i. Not sure it matters but someone said 1080i is better.

I asked about aspect a while ago and did not get an answer. I wondered if people expanded the DVD or watched with black bars on top.


Originally posted by Joel
Why do folks think 1080i out of the 975 looks better than 480i? What is it about it that is better? I think it looks amazing at 480i, I was marveling at it all weekend (have not tried 1080i though). UMRs thread notwithstanding, I would have thought that the 006 would do a better job of deinterlacing and scaling 480i than the 975.

Suggestion: since the bulk of the users have the Sony 975, it would be great if we could have the 975 settings posted on p. 1 as well. Whatcha think, JB?

My suggestion is that folks post as many settings from the 975 as they can, including the screen/aspect ratio choices, black levels.

Cheers

I'll have to try 1080i but I doubt that it is better, given that the deinterlacing electronics in the 975 are not that great. I think DiveDude has his at 1080i. I think it's worth a try. Sometimes, like in high-end audio, being able to see/hear a difference doesn't mean that it is better, just different.

I think since the 006 can control aspect ratio, I have the screen setting to "FULL." I also have black level to "OFF."

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
I'll have to try 1080i but I doubt that it is better, given that the deinterlacing electronics in the 975 are not that great. I think DiveDude has his at 1080i. I think it's worth a try. Sometimes, like in high-end audio, being able to see/hear a difference doesn't mean that it is better, just different.

I think since the 006 can control aspect ratio, I have the screen setting to "FULL." I also have black level to "OFF."

Cheers

Do you see a difference, (better, worse or about the same... ;) ) if you instruct the 975 to output at 480p vs. 480i ?

Originally posted by divedude
hifi59
I got a chance to do my experiment and the lipsync is also off on my other TV's, so it is not the 006. And it happens on both HDTivo and my Samsung HD SAT receiver. I really notice it on DiscoveryHD. It tends to vary with source material. The good news is that it is not very noticeable on nature programs :D

thanx divedude. i thought so. the only reason i asked is because i can't remember this being an issue with my 60" lcd xbr. maybe it the fact that i'm looking at 70" now instead of 60". who knows? thanx again

What might help you decide which looks better is to use the resolution patterns on Avia. Try it at 480i and 1080i. Don't forget to use the widescreen version for the 1080i.

Originally posted by JimP
What might help you decide which looks better is to use the resolution patterns on Avia. Try it at 480i and 1080i. Don't forget to use the widescreen version for the 1080i.

I think a static image can only go so far in evaluating a player's performance for depicting motion pictures, but it is a data point.

Originally posted by Joel
Why do folks think 1080i out of the 975 looks better than 480i? What is it about it that is better? I think it looks amazing at 480i, I was marveling at it all weekend (have not tried 1080i though). UMRs thread notwithstanding, I would have thought that the 006 would do a better job of deinterlacing and scaling 480i than the 975.

I for one absolutely do not think the 975 looks better with a 1080i out setting! No way! I have totally satisfied my curiosity on that issue by doing numerous tests including running DVE at both 480i and 1080i out of the 975 via HDMI to the 006. I have no doubt whatsoever that the 006 does a superior job of scaling SD DVD's up to 1080p than the scaler built into the 975. And it's logical to assume that it would - one of the nicest features of the 006 is the scaler. It's hard to imagine that at the 975's price point it would have a scaler the equal of the 006's. Logical and rationalizing aside, my eyeballs have proven the point to my satisfaction. My 975 is set to 480i out and that's where it's staying.

Color,

You seem to be wavering a bit! :)

Originally posted by Joel
Why do folks think 1080i out of the 975 looks better than 480i? What is it about it that is better? I think it looks amazing at 480i, I was marveling at it all weekend (have not tried 1080i though). UMRs thread notwithstanding, I would have thought that the 006 would do a better job of deinterlacing and scaling 480i than the 975.

Keeping in mind umr’s findings……………………….(and with some personal advice from Bob Pariseau) ---

HDTV-ready displays are often optimized in subtle ways to produce the best image when fed a certain signal resolution.

I don't think I can give you any specific examples of "subtle optimizations" for 1080i, but it comes down to compromises that are made during design. At every stage of the game, the engineers will have to make choices that either raise the cost or bias the image quality towards one resolution or another. As you can imagine, the choice is usually made to bias the design for the best image quality during sales evaluations -- without raising the cost. Since HDTV-ready TVs are most commonly evaluated in stores by looking at 1080i signals, that's where all the energy goes.

Filters are a big factor here. Filter designs don't work equally well at all signal bandwidths. Of course the worst culprit here is excessive filtering that's intentionally applied by some sets to standard resolution input signals to make crappy input signals look better at the expense of screwing up high quality input signals. But even for high res signals, the engineers have to make choices that bias quality for one signal vs. another.

Scaling algorithms, and the way the scaler is paired with pixels of a certain shape come into play as well. It is often the case these days that engineers don't have a free hand in display element selection or selection of electronic components in the video signal path. They are forced to use less than optimal components due to pre-existing purchasing arrangements and prior model designs. Video processing circuits, which are essentially specialized computers, have a longer product life cycle than the TVs they are used in. Which means your scaler may not be as good a match for your panel as it could be if you had a free hand and extra design time. Thus, again, you compromise to make the best match for one input signal at the expense of another.

Even issues such as luminance vs. color signal timing, gamma correction, and overscan may require compromises that, again, will tend to be optimized for a 1080i signal if you can't raise the cost enough to do it right.

Even in the QA process, emphasis will likely be given to final tweaks based on optimizing a 1080i input signal.

*So, what it comes down to......... IS !!!!!!………does the presumed superiority of the video processor in the 006 compared to that in the Sony DVD player in question override the 006’s inherent optimization for a 1080i signal (based on umr’s findings.) ?????

There's really no substitute here for doing the experiments yourself and seeing which combo you prefer with your hardware. And as your eye gets more trained -- i.e., as you get more used to what your hardware does with different styles of program content and get more used to what a "calibrated" image looks like -- this is an experiment that's well worth doing – rather than setting up your player based upon theoretical assumptions and leaving it there without trying different settings.

For example, without umr’s findings I would never have tried the i.LINK for my cable box input into the 006 – figuring that the HDMI input was just as good and I could never tell any difference in imaging, but when zee queen and zee Royal Pouch can tell the difference in a couple minutes of toggling…..well, let’s just say, I’m happy I went through the trouble of experimenting.

And now…. since I’ve completely exhausted all the glucose in the neurons of my frontal lobes…as an aside… Question to ToddD ---

Did you get the chance to watch Sir Lance roll into Alpharetta yesterday with his Discovery Teammates ?????

You do know that he’s retiring after this upcoming Tour ?

Also, brt, did you see that race yesterday on CBS?
M.S. just needed a tad more room, he had the car.

att brt3 & jb007 posted yesterday about no picture thanks both for your replies pattern of flashes is steady 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi , 3 mississippi ect. it flashes exactly like the power/standby green led thanks again

I will have to make a few setting changes on the 975 and see what happens!

Just got our Stain sample today for the TT-400!

Originally posted by Joel
I'll have to try 1080i but I doubt that it is better, given that the deinterlacing electronics in the 975 are not that great. I think DiveDude has his at 1080i. I think it's worth a try. Sometimes, like in high-end audio, being able to see/hear a difference doesn't mean that it is better, just different.

I think since the 006 can control aspect ratio, I have the screen setting to "FULL." I also have black level to "OFF."

Cheers

Thanks, ColorTV and PM. It's easy enough to toggle the resolutions back and forth. We shall see.

I wish my Pioneer cable box had i.Link. :( SD is so bad it's almost unwatchable. Worse via DVI-HDMI than via component (I think the colorspace on DVI is off somehow).

Cheers, amigos.

OK, good enough for me! I'm back to 480i !



Originally posted by colortv
I for one absolutely do not think the 975 looks better with a 1080i out setting! No way! I have totally satisfied my curiosity on that issue by doing numerous tests including running DVE at both 480i and 1080i out of the 975 via HDMI to the 006. I have no doubt whatsoever that the 006 does a superior job of scaling SD DVD's up to 1080p than the scaler built into the 975. And it's logical to assume that it would - one of the nicest features of the 006 is the scaler. It's hard to imagine that at the 975's price point it would have a scaler the equal of the 006's. Logical and rationalizing aside, my eyeballs have proven the point to my satisfaction. My 975 is set to 480i out and that's where it's staying.

While we are figuring out what to do with our 975's can I ask something else?

Good, then I will. Comcast is about to make me a good deal on upgrading my service to Digital Classic and a DVR. Have we ever figured out if the 6412 works best with a DVI to HDMI cable, or is component as good?

TIA

doesn't anyone own a high end dvd? i have the pioneer 59avi and sending the Q a1080i signal from the pioneer is clearly superior than sending 480i and letting the Q do the scaling.I played with drc every which way, but the pioneer still beats it clearly. i tried and tried, but the pioneer is simply better. When the Q does the scaling, the image is more "dirty" for lack of a better word. Pioneer lends an even more film-like image to the Q. This is not to say the Q's scaler is bad at all , but i think it's worth investing in a high end dvd with superior scaling. After all , what's another G compared to the cost of the Q. my 2 cents.

Very interesting, hifi. That it is a better player does not surprise me. That the difference is that dramatic does. And I considered the Pioneer -- but ultimately chose to save the $$$ knowing that I was going to spring for a high def DVD player within a year and the 975 was going to be only for a transition period.

Cheers

Originally posted by colortv
I for one absolutely do not think the 975 looks better with a 1080i out setting! I have no doubt whatsoever that the 006 does a superior job of scaling SD DVD's up to 1080p than the scaler built into the 975.

Yeah, what he said... :D

I came to the same conclusion after using DVE. The differences I saw on test patterns were not subtle...

New info posted on my website HERE. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html) The file marked "DIAGNOSTICS" now has details on accessing the lamp's hour meter AND an explanation of the Qualia's "flashing LED" service codes.

Originally posted by stuart anker
pattern of flashes is steady 1 mississippi, 2 mississippi , 3 mississippi ect. it flashes exactly like the power/standby green led thanks again

Stuart,

According to the service manual, 3 flashes indicate the code for "Lamp Cover Error". Check the download I posted above; the manual says: "lamp cover is not attached securely" and indicates that this code results in no picture or sound...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Also, brt, did you see that race yesterday on CBS? M.S. just needed a tad more room, he had the car.

One of the single greatest drives in Formula One history. I'm not even a Schumacher fan, and I was going nuts the last ten laps. His pass on Button was amazing. Now, if I can only get F1 in HD on the Qualia I can die a happy man...

Originally posted by hifi59
doesn't anyone own a high end dvd? i have the pioneer 59avi and sending the Q a1080i signal from the pioneer is clearly superior than sending 480i and letting the Q do the scaling.I played with drc every which way, but the pioneer still beats it clearly. i tried and tried, but the pioneer is simply better. When the Q does the scaling, the image is more "dirty" for lack of a better word. Pioneer lends an even more film-like image to the Q. This is not to say the Q's scaler is bad at all , but i think it's worth investing in a high end dvd with superior scaling. After all , what's another G compared to the cost of the Q. my 2 cents.

Hifi, i've been struggling with this decision, whether to get the 975, stick with what I have for now awaiting the HD players (although I think the wait will be longer than some anticipate) or go with a higher end player (either the 59avi or the denon 3910). I want something that has good sonic performance as well as video performance. Also want to be able to play sacd as well as dvd-audio and have the option of connecting via hdmi/dvi and 1394 (aka ilink).

I was thinking of a way of eliciting what players people have connected to the q006 and what their experiences have been and am glad to finally here of something other than the 975...not that there is anything wrong with that :)

Originally posted by BenDover
Hifi, i've been struggling with this decision, whether to get the 975, stick with what I have for now awaiting the HD players (although I think the wait will be longer than some anticipate) or go with a higher end player (either the 59avi or the denon 3910).

I am SO tempted by the Denon 5910 -- I am ready to take the plunge on this unit if I can find a killer deal. A 5910/Qualia combo should offer pretty amazing DVD performance. Maybe (with Blu-Ray coming out) Denon will be giving them away...
:D

Originally posted by hifi59
doesn't anyone own a high end dvd? i have the pioneer 59avi and sending the Q a1080i signal from the pioneer is clearly superior than sending 480i and letting the Q do the scaling.I played with drc every which way, but the pioneer still beats it clearly. i tried and tried, but the pioneer is simply better. When the Q does the scaling, the image is more "dirty" for lack of a better word. Pioneer lends an even more film-like image to the Q. This is not to say the Q's scaler is bad at all , but i think it's worth investing in a high end dvd with superior scaling. my 2 cents.
Well your 2 cents is worth alot as I think it has opened the eyes (along with divedude's observations) of some people and contributed to a good discussion on this topic.

I sure as hell wish I owned the Pio 59 avi because that be one FINE player but, as I stated in my previous post....I believe the issue here is simply not of which entity has the better video processor.....much more is involved in bringing you the picture that you see.

It's a tug of war between video processing abilities and the fact that the 006 is optimized to produce the best image when fed a certain signal resolution (that apparently be 1080i) - whether from a Sony, Panny or Pio player.

Originally posted by brt3
One of the single greatest drives in Formula One history.
Agreed, and I'm glad you appreciated that fact.:)

Originally posted by brt3
Maybe (with Blu-Ray coming out) Denon will be giving them away...
:D
I was thinking more along the lines of the same reasoning with the Pio player as it is becoming long in the tooth and hoping they would drop it down to the $600 - $700 range from an authorized dealer with Blu-ray on the horizon.

Originally posted by BenDover
Hifi, i've been struggling with this decision, whether to get the 975, stick with what I have for now awaiting the HD players (although I think the wait will be longer than some anticipate)
Sony Blu-ray debuts March 6, 2006 - that's my story and I'm sticking with it..until I hear otherwise.

Stuart, if Brt is correct, one possible way to fix your set is to follow the instructions for replacing the lamp. If you remove and re-seat the lamp and then shut the cover, maybe that will do it. can't hurt, it's just a bulb.
I'd give it a try. Thanks again, Brt, for maintaining such a repository on your website.

Personally, I think this thread should be renamed "The Hitch-Hiker's Guide to the Qualia 006," as the repository of all knowledge and wisdom for the use of this particular set.

Couldn't help myself, the movie opens this weekend! :) I was and am a huge fan of the radio series and the books. And my name is not Arthur Dent.

Cheers!

Originally posted by brt3
One of the single greatest drives in Formula One history. I'm not even a Schumacher fan, and I was going nuts the last ten laps. His pass on Button was amazing. Now, if I can only get F1 in HD on the Qualia I can die a happy man...

lol, I was rooting for Schumacher to make it exciting but not win. A very good race for F1 fans.

Originally posted by brt3
New info posted on my website HERE. (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html) The file marked "DIAGNOSTICS" now has details on accessing the lamp's hour meter AND an explanation of the Qualia's "flashing LED" service codes.
Ray,
I believe your "Picture Settings" download is showing the best DVD stuff and Best DVD is showing the review featuring the hot brunette on the 006.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Sony Blu-ray debuts March 6, 2006 - that's my story and I'm sticking with it..until I hear otherwise.

PM,
I have also heard March 2006 from a Sony Rep. That is one of the reasons I went ahead and got the 975.

As far as settings go, it is fine to take advice of everyone and try them to see what they look like. But in the end, a person should go with what they like.

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
As far as settings go, it is fine to take advice of everyone and try them to see what they look like. But in the end, a person should go with what they like.
Ah.......but alas, YOU must also take into consideration the feelings of the little fella (Mini-Dive) as to what he prefers.:)

Originally posted by hifi59
doesn't anyone own a high end dvd? i have the pioneer 59avi and sending the Q a1080i signal from the pioneer is clearly superior than sending 480i and letting the Q do the scaling.I played with drc every which way, but the pioneer still beats it clearly. i tried and tried, but the pioneer is simply better. When the Q does the scaling, the image is more "dirty" for lack of a better word. Pioneer lends an even more film-like image to the Q. This is not to say the Q's scaler is bad at all , but i think it's worth investing in a high end dvd with superior scaling. After all , what's another G compared to the cost of the Q. my 2 cents.

hifi59,
I also had the opportunity to try the Pioneer 59avi on my Q006. I also observed that the PQ was much, much better on 1080i than it was on 480i. I still have my Denon 3910 and it also produces a much better picture on the 1080i settings.

Originally posted by BenDover

i was searching the sony manual for any specifics as to their warranty and strangely came across a passage warning about "burn-in" ... any comments?

BenDover,
What page of the manual does it reference burn-in? I have done a search of the PDF copy I have and can not find any reference to anything burning, except the bulb.

Does anyone have the service manual yet? Just checking in.
Elbert

Originally posted by divedude
BenDover,
What page of the manual does it reference burn-in? I have done a search of the PDF copy I have and can not find any reference to anything burning, except the bulb.

DD,

Numbered page is 3; it is 5 of 147 in the pdf; lower left, one of the "caution" paragraphs.

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
I have also heard March 2006 from a Sony Rep. That is one of the reasons I went ahead and got the 975.

As far as settings go, it is fine to take advice of everyone and try them to see what they look like. But in the end, a person should go with what they like.


the wrinkle with this is the 11th hour talks to agree upon a single standard/format for the HiDef DVD format. if they agree, i would imagine that there will be no march 2006 release since they will have to work out a new device according to the agreed upon single standard.

Originally posted by kaduku
hifi59,
I also had the opportunity to try the Pioneer 59avi on my Q006. I also observed that the PQ was much, much better on 1080i than it was on 480i. I still have my Denon 3910 and it also produces a much better picture on the 1080i settings.

kaduku,

do you also own a 975? how does the output of the 975 compare to the pioneer or denon?

also, which would you rate as better, the pioneer or the denon?

Originally posted by BenDover
DD,

Numbered page is 3; it is 5 of 147 in the pdf; lower left, one of the "caution" paragraphs.

BenDover,
First, thank you. Second, that really burns me up (no pun intended). One of the reasons I bought this set was to get away from the burn-in I have been experiencing with RP tube TV's.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ray,
I believe your "Picture Settings" download is showing the best DVD stuff and Best DVD is showing the review featuring the hot brunette on the 006.:D

PM,

Guess I was distracted by the brunette...

:D

When I added the latest download somehow things got scrambled. Thanks for the tip -- should be straightened out now!

Originally posted by divedude
One of the reasons I bought this set was to get away from the burn-in I have been experiencing with RP tube TV's.

BenDover & DiveDude,

I understand why people would be steamed that the Q006 might experience burn-in under ANY circumstances. That being said, we need some input from engineering or ISF types regarding the technology of LCOS/SXRD, and whether or not burn-in is even conceivable in real-world usage. For example, ANY technology might experience burn-in when used (for example) in airline arrival/departure monitors. This is not real-world usage, of course. Though I never play video games, I'm guessing a good real-world ratio of static vs. moving images might be 25/75 [with static being any video game usage, since the on-screen graphics are fixed]. I can't imagine exceeding this proportion, but how about some input -- anybody out there exceeding this ratio? Enquiring minds want to know!

I'm also trying to get my brain around reflective technology and how burn-in would relate conceptually to emissive display technology. Specifically, any plasma or CRT would be more likely to burn-in when set to "VIVID" picture mode, for example. Would this also be true for SXRD/LCOS? Discuss amongst yourselves...

FWIW, there is no orbiter, white screen or picture off modes, like on my Sony plasma. That should provide *some* indication about how worried the engineers are about burn-in.

Originally posted by BenDover
kaduku,

do you also own a 975? how does the output of the 975 compare to the pioneer or denon?

also, which would you rate as better, the pioneer or the denon?

BD,
No, I don't own a 975, though I've heard good stuff about them. They are great interim players til the Blu-Rays get here (notice I did not mention the other format). But if you really want a high end player to play your existing collection with great sound and picture quality now. The Pio 59avi and the Denon 3910 are great choices. Some say the Pio is better, but most say the Denon is better, and I agree. The Denon 3910 is a fantastic player, and I can just imagine how the 5910 performs, especially matched up with the Q006.

Just to clarify my thoughts on burn-in with these sets, or any LCOS-based set. From what I've read on the technical side, there is no burn-in with sets based on these technologies; the same as LCD and DLP. The S&V article on the Q006 had a good description of the technology behind the SXRD implementation and should indicate to people that there is no burn-in to worry over.

The cautionary paragraph is limited to computer/video game usage and, honestly, I think it was left/placed in there by accident.

Sony's marketing claims stress the lack of burn-in. Any write up on the technology stresses no burn-in. I think the logical conclusion is that there is no burn-in issue with LCOS-based sets, Sony or otherwise.

Originally posted by jb007
FWIW, there is no orbiter, white screen or picture off modes, like on my Sony plasma. That should provide *some* indication about how worried the engineers are about burn-in.

JB, now that you are being elevated to celebrity status, might you inquire with the Sony folks when they pop over to interview you, about the paragraph they slipped in regarding burn-in??

Need some advice...

First let me say that I am really happy about the purchase of this television. Here is my problem...

1) The color Red has a good deal of Blue in it. I am trying to resolve this by adjusting the colors in the Advanced "Balance White" section of the menu. Anyone deal with this and what changes did you make (and why)? I find it tough to deal with, but setting DVE to the greyscale helps to adjust these settings, and the Brightness and Contrast.

2) I find that 1080i coming from the 975 DVD player produces a better picture than the 006 alone. Keep in mind that for my DVD and SAT, I have to put noise reduction to medium for both to reduce the number of "dots" that you can distinguish in a solid color backround. This is most notable in the DVE picture setup in the scene where there is a woman with red hair, and next to her is a grey box with colors below. If you look at that grey box and adjust the noise reduction, you'll see what I mean.

3) When looking at DVE and setting the Hue, you will see that the green decoder is not "functioning properly" as they say, and that it is biased toward Green a bit.

Originally posted by pawrampe


...

1) The color Red has a good deal of Blue in it. I am trying to resolve this by adjusting the colors in the Advanced "Balance White" section of the menu. Anyone deal with this and what changes did you make (and why)? I find it tough to deal with, but setting DVE to the greyscale helps to adjust these settings, and the Brightness and Contrast.

It sounds to me as though you may have one of the units suffering from what some here refer to as the "blue ghost," as also discused in this past month's S&V article reviewing the Q006 (it is available on their website as well as brt3's site).

As per Sony, anyone experiencing this will have the light engine replaced under warranty.

Originally posted by BenDover
It sounds to me as though you may have one of the units suffering from what some here refer to as the "blue ghost," as also discused in this past month's S&V article reviewing the Q006 (it is available on their website as well as brt3's site).

As per Sony, anyone experiencing this will have the light engine replaced under warranty.

Contact Sony or where I purchased?

Originally posted by pawrampe
Contact Sony or where I purchased?

I guess it depends on how long you've had your set and how cooperative your dealer is but me , personally, I would probably contact Sony directly and remove the middle man.

Originally posted by pawrampe
Need some advice...

First let me say that I am really happy about the purchase of this television. Here is my problem...

3) When looking at DVE and setting the Hue, you will see that the green decoder is not "functioning properly" as they say, and that it is biased toward Green a bit.

This sounds like the classic HD color matrix vs. SD color matrix problem. I forget which way it goes, but I think if you send a 1080i signal in the SD color matrix and the TV using the HD color matrix, you wind up with green being the color that's mostly off.

Try sending the TV a 480i signal and see what your color bars are doing.

I thought that the Blue Ghost was an image...in Blue... that was on the opposite side of the screen. I am sure I messed up that description but if you read the reveiw it does explain it. I do not think it was just a blue tint to the red.

UOTE]Originally posted by BenDover
It sounds to me as though you may have one of the units suffering from what some here refer to as the "blue ghost," as also discused in this past month's S&V article reviewing the Q006 (it is available on their website as well as brt3's site).

As per Sony, anyone experiencing this will have the light engine replaced under warranty. [/QUOTE]

I'm speculating that it may be related but that is why I directed him to the review to confirm whether he has this problem described. Not so certain that it always has to manifest itself in the same way either.

Originally posted by pawrampe
Need some advice...

First let me say that I am really happy about the purchase of this television. Here is my problem...

3) When looking at DVE and setting the Hue, you will see that the green decoder is not "functioning properly" as they say, and that it is biased toward Green a bit.
I think what you are describing is what has been evaluated by Paul Bigelow (with the Sony player having the original firmware, 1.6 ? – I can’t speak for 1.9) as the green depression issue for this player when it is set to output 1080i. Paul recommended to set the player's "TINT" to -3 and reduce the "COLOR" to -2 to reduce the visual affects of the HD/SD color conversion issue accounting for the green depression that you see. Realize that when you do this, the Sony 975 player’s BLUE filter may then not be correct but that apparently will not be too detrimental to real world viewing of your favorite DVD’s.

Originally posted by pawrampe
Need some advice...

First let me say that I am really happy about the purchase of this television. Here is my problem...

1) The color Red has a good deal of Blue in it. I am trying to resolve this by adjusting the colors in the Advanced "Balance White" section of the menu. Anyone deal with this and what changes did you make (and why)? I find it tough to deal with, but setting DVE to the greyscale helps to adjust these settings, and the Brightness and Contrast.

For a fairly good confirmation of the “blue ghost” issue without getting overly paranoid about it, get the Spidy 2 DVD skip to a scene near the end and follow the observations listed in the Sound and Vision Article.

Originally posted by pawrampe
Need some advice...

First let me say that I am really happy about the purchase of this television. Here is my problem...
2) I find that 1080i coming from the 975 DVD player produces a better picture than the 006 alone.
I'm not that surprised at your observation. The downside though, may be the issues that the Sony DVD player has with green depression and passing BTB at 1080i.....at least with the old firmware.

But as I stated above, you can work around this by adjusting the player's settings somewhat.

"The" interview is set for tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. To recap, Sony contacted me and requested to conduct an interview because I was the first one in the country to purchase a Q006. The purpose of the interview is for an internal presentation to Sony/Qualia salespeople at a meeting in a couple of weeks in Palm Springs. I was told there would be an advertising person, copy writer and two cameramen present. They plan to *interrogate* me for about an hour about my hobbies, etc. (i.e., what type of person buys Qualia products). They want to finish off with some shots of me watching the Q006, or as the ad lady I spoke with called it -- the zero-zero-six :(

I am under the impression only people from the ad agency are going to be there, no one from Sony, certainly no one technical. So, I'm afraid, they'll be asking the questions -- not me.

I'm not a greedy guy (Sony, can you hear me now? <$3k price increase>), but I am allowing four people to come into my home and spend an hour of my time during the work day talking about their product . . . heck, they're all getting paid. It will be nice if they offer me a free calibration, gift card or something (a Qualia t-shirt?) :D

I'll report back tomorrow after the *grilling*.

Originally posted by jb007
[BI'm not a greedy guy (Sony, can you hear me now? <$3k price increase>), but I am allowing four people to come into my home and spend an hour of my time during the work day talking about their product . . . heck, they're all getting paid.:D
. [/B]
LOL, jb, you're cracking me up.
Not only did the big S catch us first wavers with the 3K price increase but now they are coming into your home and you're donating one hour of your time to baby sit them.

Did you mention what your hourly rate for a consultation is ??:D

Originally posted by jb007
[
I'm not a greedy guy (Sony, can you hear me now? <$3k price increase>), but I am allowing four people to come into my home and spend an hour of my time during the work day talking about their product . . . heck, they're all getting paid. It will be nice if they offer me a free calibration, gift card or something (a Qualia t-shirt?) :D

[/B]

T-shirt?, go for broke man! Qualia 002!!!! :D

Originally posted by jb007
[BThey plan to *interrogate* me for about an hour about my hobbies, etc.
[/B]
:D ........Well, I'm sure you know what to do if you don't have the Royal Maid put away all those whips, chains and black leather stuff that you have laying around........either plead the Fifth (not Element) or just keep saying...."I don't recall how that stuff got here." :D

For those of you that have been waiting, like me, for the Harmony 880, I'm hearing it will be available May 10, 2005, at BB and your other favorite resellers :)

Originally posted by jb007
I'll report back tomorrow after the *grilling*.

Vee haff wayz of mekking you talk...

Has anyone else realized that this (the Sony Interview) only confirms JB's status as a Sony plant???

:D

Sounds like they are filming an advertising piece that will translate into more dollars for Sony.

I would expect to be compensated for helping make a commercial.

But JB is an etilist who doesn't need any stinking compensation! :)

Speaking of remotes, has anyone seen anything about Q006 codes for "we who play with JP1" remotes?

Originally posted by jb007
For those of you that have been waiting, like me, for the Harmony 880, I'm hearing it will be available May 10, 2005, at BB and your other favorite resellers :)

Originally posted by jb007
For those of you that have been waiting, like me, for the Harmony 880, I'm hearing it will be available May 10, 2005, at BB and your other favorite resellers :)

I have been patiently checking their website every week. This is definitely great news! :D

I don't know if this was posted here earlier or not - I'm not a regular here - but TPV (The Perfect Vision) latest magazine did a review of this set. It was the first that I have seen that was not glowing.
The magazine is not yet up on their website:
http://www.theperfectvision.com/

Reggie

Originally posted by brt3

Has anyone else realized that this (the Sony Interview) only confirms JB's status as a Sony plant???
:D
Oh no.....brt..... if Artwood reads this page, that comment will for sure bring him out of hibernation for another series of loaded questions.

Originally posted by brt3
Vee haff wayz of mekking you talk...
:D
Vee duct tape zee Qualia 010 headphones to zee ears …….with zee volume maxed out with zee rap “music” for hours and hours and hours…….:eek:

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Vee duct tape zee Qualia 010 headphones to zee ears …….with zee volume maxed out with zee rap “music” for hours and hours and hours…….:eek:
Or, vee playz you in darkent room, mit only Qualia 004 playink endless loop uff "Baby Bob" commercialz -- off uff Comcast at 480I! (insert suitable evil cackling laughter here)

Sorry...from a dealer on RemoteCentral...

Well looks like they've done it again...

The official release date on the 880 is now June 10th. The reason given to us was that the 880 is the first product to be launched by Logitech/Harmony since their merge. They have decided to delay the release to ensure that when the unit does ship, that it has been perfected and lives up to everyone's expectations.

Originally posted by mpsan
Sorry...from a dealer on RemoteCentral...

Well looks like they've done it again...

The official release date on the 880 is now June 10th. The reason given to us was that the 880 is the first product to be launched by Logitech/Harmony since their merge. They have decided to delay the release to ensure that when the unit does ship, that it has been perfected and lives up to everyone's expectations.

Hmmm. I got the 5/10 date this morning straight from Harmony, who said BB would have them for sale before they were even available for sale on the Logitech website.

Well, it should be a nice remote whenever it is released :)

I hope to look at it. I can not believe how many remotes I have in front of the Q now. I do have an IRIQ LCD remote but have not tried to program it yet for the Q and 975. That remote is old and every command would have to be learned! The Meridian works with it but I only programmed the Vol. And display!


Originally posted by jb007
Hmmm. I got the 5/10 date this morning straight from Harmony, who said BB would have them for sale before they were even available for sale on the Logitech website.

Well, it should be a nice remote whenever it is released :)

I have been waiting for this remote, and will continue to wait until it is finally released. I am sure I will love it, but one thing that continually bothers me with these remotes, the damned paltry 2mb of memory...can't they at least give us a memory card slot or something! Every other, "I wish it had this..." has been answered for me in this upcoming model.