Originally posted by Penton-Man
And now…. since I’ve completely exhausted all the glucose in the neurons of my frontal lobes…as an aside… Question to ToddD ---

Did you get the chance to watch Sir Lance roll into Alpharetta yesterday with his Discovery Teammates ?????

You do know that he’s retiring after this upcoming Tour ?

Also, brt, did you see that race yesterday on CBS?
M.S. just needed a tad more room, he had the car.


PM:

I did not go over the 2 full blocks and watch the end of the Tour
De Georgia. One reason for that was that there were expected to be way too many people over there and I just did not want to deal with it....I did see coverage on our local news ...we were all disappointed that he did not win....and it would be hard to be here and know that the next tour will be his last...he made that announcement as part of the Georgia tour press events and they still have not stopped talking about it.....

Now if all goes well for next years tour two things will happen....One of our enterprising local stations will cover it in HD and I might just have an 006 to view it on!

To be honest, I know little about it. Some even say that the 676 is still a great deal.

Originally posted by BenDover
I have been waiting for this remote, and will continue to wait until it is finally released. I am sure I will love it, but one thing that continually bothers me with these remotes, the damned paltry 2mb of memory...can't they at least give us a memory card slot or something! Every other, "I wish it had this..." has been answered for me in this upcoming model.

Been thinking about getting a new TV- but didn't want to spend until the 1920x1080 big boys were available. The 006 from all the reviews I've read seems to be the latest greatest thing and sounds like all of you new owners love it. So what's the buying process like and how long does it take to get one? Looking for some details.

Originally posted by kaduku
hifi59,
I also had the opportunity to try the Pioneer 59avi on my Q006. I also observed that the PQ was much, much better on 1080i than it was on 480i. I still have my Denon 3910 and it also produces a much better picture on the 1080i settings.

Nice! i'm so glad someone else has noticed this too. Now if i can only convince people how much more of a difference the Richard Gray Power Company (RGPC) model 400 (or any other model) makes. I was skeptical till i saw it demoed for me. i took it home, plugged it in waited 30 minutes and WOW! Gone was the random noise in the backround (not that it was that bad to begin with). Blacks more pure and deep, colors richer. My wife even noticed the difference and she knew nothing of my magic box purchase. BTW , the RGPC box will condition the entire circuit that it's plugged in to. Appliances need not be plugged directly into it (unless u want the addition of surge protection) This combined with the pioneer 59avi and" Better Cable" hdmi cables make for a superb viewing experience time and time again on the Q.
I am not a RGPC plant..just a believer in their product.

WOW! I went to their site and did a test drive. It has my Meridian 568, my Sony 707ESD, the Sony 975, and the Q006!! Also has DCT6412 and my ReplayTV 5040!

Can you switch keys if you do not like what their DB maps?

Looks great!


Originally posted by BenDover
I have been waiting for this remote, and will continue to wait until it is finally released. I am sure I will love it, but one thing that continually bothers me with these remotes, the damned paltry 2mb of memory...can't they at least give us a memory card slot or something! Every other, "I wish it had this..." has been answered for me in this upcoming model.

Originally posted by mpsan
WOW! I went to their site and did a test drive. It has my Meridian 568, my Sony 707ESD, the Sony 975, and the Q006!! Also has DCT6412 and my ReplayTV 5040!

Can you switch keys if you do not like what their DB maps?

Looks great!

yes, everything is completely customizable, to the point that you can actually edit the xml file directly (if you know what you are doing, of course :) ).

for the money, the harmony, now logitech, remotes are golden in my book...if for no other reason than my wife, and even my kids, can use it to fully control everything :D

Originally posted by hifi59
Nice! i'm so glad someone else has noticed this too. Now if i can only convince people how much more of a difference the Richard Gray Power Company (RGPC) model 400 (or any other model) makes. I was skeptical till i saw it demoed for me. i took it home, plugged it in waited 30 minutes and WOW! Gone was the random noise in the backround (not that it was that bad to begin with). Blacks more pure and deep, colors richer. My wife even noticed the difference and she knew nothing of my magic box purchase. BTW , the RGPC box will condition the entire circuit that it's plugged in to. Appliances need not be plugged directly into it (unless u want the addition of surge protection) This combined with the pioneer 59avi and" Better Cable" hdmi cables make for a superb viewing experience time and time again on the Q.
I am not a RGPC plant..just a believer in their product.

that's right, you're the guy who is pushing these power conditioners. i actually just purchased a monster 5100 ( i think that was the model). the RGPC's were a bit much for me at the present time but they look to be serious pieces of equipment.

I've noticed a significant improvement in PQ on the 066 with a RGPC Pro 400 plugged into the same power outlet. Deeper blacks, richer colors and the elimination of the the very little noise that was there before. Picture looks even more 3 dimensional. Try looking down through the water from above on finding Nemo.

Also now that the market is flooded with 006s, I can bring one home without shorting any customer. So it looks like I will take one home the end of next week.

The 676 price has dropped a lot. Perhaps the 880 may not be worth it for the color LCD.

Originally posted by BenDover
yes, everything is completely customizable, to the point that you can actually edit the xml file directly (if you know what you are doing, of course :) ).

for the money, the harmony, now logitech, remotes are golden in my book...if for no other reason than my wife, and even my kids, can use it to fully control everything :D

Originally posted by hifi59
Nice! i'm so glad someone else has noticed this too. Now if i can only convince people how much more of a difference the Richard Gray Power Company (RGPC) model 400 (or any other model) makes. I was skeptical till i saw it demoed for me. i took it home, plugged it in waited 30 minutes and WOW! Gone was the random noise in the backround (not that it was that bad to begin with). Blacks more pure and deep, colors richer. My wife even noticed the difference and she knew nothing of my magic box purchase. BTW , the RGPC box will condition the entire circuit that it's plugged in to. Appliances need not be plugged directly into it (unless u want the addition of surge protection) This combined with the pioneer 59avi and" Better Cable" hdmi cables make for a superb viewing experience time and time again on the Q.
I am not a RGPC plant..just a believer in their product.

Which 400 did you get? The 400 mk II or the 400 Pro. I have an entry level Panamax and thinking about upgrading to something more powerful.

Originally posted by mpsan
The 676 price has dropped a lot. Perhaps the 880 may not be worth it for the color LCD.

Come on mpsan, as elitists, it's merely Penton paper :D

There are significant differences between a Harmony 676 and Harmony 880, besides the color screen (and logos!) The 880 comes with a base station to recharge its rechargeable batteries. The aesthetics are much different also.

I have two Harmony 688s right now and love them :)

Originally posted by jb007
Come on mpsan, as elitists, it's merely Penton paper :D

There are significant differences between a Harmony 676 and Harmony 880, besides the color screen (and logos!) The 880 comes with a base station to recharge its rechargeable batteries. The aesthetics are much different also.

I have two Harmony 688s right now and love them :)

jb is right (was there any doubt? :) ) ... there are significant differences other than the color lcd.

att; jb3 & 007 thanks again for responces repair guy came today d set had defected power supply to the lamp they replaced power supply & said while hes at it said he also replaced the lamp !! 4 days no oo6 looks great now now to contact warrant company to make sure that they still are going to give me another lamp freebi

To the lurker(?) on this forum that visited the Sony showroom in Southern Cali today to check out the 006........

Yes, K. is my girlfriend and you had her rolling on the floor with laughter after you left.......just don't tell my wife about the girlfriend part.

Originally posted by hifi59
I am not a RGPC plant..just a believer in their product.
Well I'm glad you made that clear...as I just heard Artwood frown.:D

I have the whole RGPC line at the store to play with but I tried the 006 with the 400 PRO. I do not think there is any real difference between the old 400MKII and the new 400 PRO.

When I (a weakling) and 4 strong men take a 006 to me house with the stand, I will replace the light up Sony logo on the front with a nice little lucite light up sign that will say "Heathkit built by Mark Haflich". :) No deals for the store owner on this one, I have to pay full dealer cost. But hey, my wife is the one that wants it and is paying for it, not me.

Originally posted by kaduku
Which 400 did you get? The 400 mk II or the 400 Pro. I have an entry level Panamax and thinking about upgrading to something more powerful.

i have the 400s. i think the 400 pro is the very latest one. only minor upgrade from what i'm told.

OK!

I am not sure I even have a place for the charger so it was a concern. I do see it has 8 actions vs 3 or 4. Can you select a station from the remotes guide and do you use it?



Originally posted by jb007
Come on mpsan, as elitists, it's merely Penton paper :D

There are significant differences between a Harmony 676 and Harmony 880, besides the color screen (and logos!) The 880 comes with a base station to recharge its rechargeable batteries. The aesthetics are much different also.

I have two Harmony 688s right now and love them :)

Originally posted by mpsan
OK!

I am not sure I even have a place for the charger so it was a concern. I do see it has 8 actions vs 3 or 4. Can you select a station from the remotes guide and do you use it?

I don't download the guide into the remote, I'm a TiVo guy :)

The answer is yes you can select the Chan from the remote's guide. I used it quite a bit when I first got the remote and found it very useful, but, that was before I had an on screen guide through cable/satellite.

I'm a ReplayTV guy but it is not HD so have to perhaps get a DCT 6412.


Originally posted by jb007
I don't download the guide into the remote, I'm a TiVo guy :)

Now this is an off topic question, but does anyone here plug their receivers/amps to the wall socket directly, rather than plugging it into a power conditioner to not suffocate it from getting the adequate power it needs, thus getting a better sound.

Originally posted by brt3
BenDover & DiveDude,

I understand why people would be steamed that the Q006 might experience burn-in under ANY circumstances. That being said, we need some input from engineering or ISF types regarding the technology of LCOS/SXRD, and whether or not burn-in is even conceivable in real-world usage.

brt3 and jb007,
Thanks for you reassurance. I don't watch static pictures or feed it with a PC, but I do have 2 RPTV with the local and network logos burnt in from just normal viewing. So I guess time will tell what happens with the 006.

With that being said, I am glad I didn't see the small section in the manual before I purchased. Otherwise I would not be experiencing this wonderful TV. :D

I think you are definitely safe watching normal video and TV as the cautionary note is limited to pc's and video games...those being characterized as misuse.

Originally posted by kaduku
Now this is an off topic question, but does anyone here plug their receivers/amps to the wall socket directly, rather than plugging it into a power conditioner to not suffocate it from getting the adequate power it needs, thus getting a better sound.

I'm the exact opposite. I went from plugging equipment directly into the wall to running everything through PS Audio powerplants. It's been a hell of a hit on the wallet but the sound quality increase is very noticable. As for being 'power restricted', I've had the exact opposite experience. I have yet to hit 100% capacity on the P1000. I find MORE dynamics and more 'headroom' from the amp when pushing hard (a Jeff Rowland Model 10). Apparently the power where I live is just horrid. I'm going to try running the Qualia off the P1000 to see if I see any benefits. If I do, it's going to mean another $2k... I'm kinda HOPING I don't. :)

As for the RGPC line; it doesn't have the power constraints other conditioners do. Their stuff is 'parallel'. Mark can much better explain this but in effect the power comes straight from the wall and all conditioning is done 'on the side' via inductance, etc. It can do surge suppression and line stiffening but can't 'fix' AC cycle variations, etc. So each method has it's advantages and disadvantages. I've never had experience with the RGPC equipment so I can't speak to it's effectiveness. I CAN speak to the Monster Cable stuff and think it's overpriced and largely ineffective.

ninthdragon or Wilson....either of you two care to chime in on this power stuff ????

Originally posted by kanebear


...

I CAN speak to the Monster Cable stuff and think it's overpriced and largely ineffective.

Oh great...:eek:

[EDIT: Ah hell, if the Monster HTS 5100 is good enough for Tony Hawk, it is good enough for me...I don't have thousands to spend on power gizmos, even if they ultimately make a difference. I'm already way beyond what I envisioned spending for my new setup...I'll just have to wait to upgrade down the road.]

Originally posted by kanebear
I'm the exact opposite. I went from plugging equipment directly into the wall to running everything through PS Audio powerplants... I find MORE dynamics and more 'headroom' from the amp when pushing hard (a Jeff Rowland Model 10). Apparently the power where I live is just horrid. I CAN speak to the Monster Cable stuff and think it's overpriced and largely ineffective.

Kaduku -- As a fellow Bay-Arean (sounds bad, I know) whose wife worked with PG&E (local utility) for 21 years -- you are taking a MAJOR risk if you're really running straight off the wall jack. My voltage is always between 6 and 12 volts under. In my old place it fluctuated like crazy -- from 108 to 126, which drove my Monster HTPS crazy -- though it kept the output constant at 120V it had to work pretty hard, and that much fluctuation in line voltage makes the relays Monster uses click very loudly. The ONLY time I had gear plugged into the wall I paid the price; we had floor refinishers out and they plugged their floor sander -- which is one giant electric motor -- into an outlet that was on the same circuit as the equipment in my bedroom. The sander kept tripping the breaker, so that circuit had massive fluctuations as the floor sander was switched on (electric motors demand far more than their rated input at startup), the breaker kicked off, and the power was reset. The ONLY thing plugged into the wall was a Faroudja DVP-2200; the only thing that got fried was the Faroudja. At least it was near the end of it's useful life at that point -- it was only a doubler, after all...

Kanebear -- I agree that Monster Cable is a company that is marketing driven. Their amps and high-end power products, however, were designed by a Bay Area guy, Richard Marsh, who's a very respected circuit designer and engineer. From the standpoint of protection against surges and giving a steady 120V output I think the Monster product is as good as any. From the standpoint of ultimate image and sound quality I think there are better products on the market. I like the Richard Gray products, but my favorite gear is from Equi-Tech. They make units that can be stacked along with your other equipment, as well as units that you build into the wall (like a breaker box) that can supply anything from a HT room to an entire house...

Originally posted by brt3
Kaduku -- As a fellow Bay-Arean (sounds bad, I know) whose wife worked with PG&E (local utility) for 21 years -- you are taking a MAJOR risk if you're really running straight off the wall jack.

Thanks for sharing your experience and the good advice Ray!

Me too! When we lived in Saratoga, CA, we had a hot line hit the neutral line. It blew TV's, refers, X10, anything that was always on. We just this month got rid of a TV that had never been the same since then...more than 10 years ago. It took out 3 houses worth of stuff!



Originally posted by brt3
Kaduku -- As a fellow Bay-Arean (sounds bad, I know) whose wife worked with PG&E (local utility) for 21 years -- you are taking a MAJOR risk if you're really running straight off the wall jack. My voltage is always between 6 and 12 volts under. In my old place it fluctuated like crazy -- from 108 to 126, which drove my Monster HTPS crazy -- though it kept the output constant at 120V it had to work pretty hard, and that much fluctuation in line voltage makes the relays Monster uses click very loudly. The ONLY time I had gear plugged into the wall I paid the price; we had floor refinishers out and they plugged their floor sander -- which is one giant electric motor -- into an outlet that was on the same circuit as the equipment in my bedroom. The sander kept tripping the breaker, so that circuit had massive fluctuations as the floor sander was switched on (electric motors demand far more than their rated input at startup), the breaker kicked off, and the power was reset. The ONLY thing plugged into the wall was a Faroudja DVP-2200; the only thing that got fried was the Faroudja. At least it was near the end of it's useful life at that point -- it was only a doubler, after all...

Kanebear -- I agree that Monster Cable is a company that is marketing driven. Their amps and high-end power products, however, were designed by a Bay Area guy, Richard Marsh, who's a very respected circuit designer and engineer. From the standpoint of protection against surges and giving a steady 120V output I think the Monster product is as good as any. From the standpoint of ultimate image and sound quality I think there are better products on the market. I like the Richard Gray products, but my favorite gear is from Equi-Tech. They make units that can be stacked along with your other equipment, as well as units that you build into the wall (like a breaker box) that can supply anything from a HT room to an entire house...

Originally posted by kaduku
Thanks for sharing your experience and the good advice Ray!

Sure thing! I think the key things here (according to the utility veteran wife with the engineering degree) are proximity to the neighborhood utility substation, the number of industrial customers with heavy motor loads in your area, and the heat. According to the resident expert, industrial customers are supposed to use capacitors to balance out flucuations in phase caused by heavy motor loads (but often screw this up and are penalized by the utility). During major heat spells the motor loads from A/C wreak havoc in exactly the same way. For more on the importance of Power Factor check out this fascinating website! (http://www.lmphotonics.com/pwrfact.htm)

At my last place I was WAY out in the country, and must've been the guy at the end of the line. I could guess the time by looking at the Voltage on the Monster HTPS; between 5 and 9PM things got pretty bad, but after 11PM things improved. The new place is better, but it's still in the country and is less than ideal.

I've had my HT system for quite a few years now and two things have proved themselves to be of great value on more than one occasion - line conditioning/surge protection, and a good UPS. For anyone who spent ~$13K on a Q6, you are now card carrying members of the High-end Home Theater Club. Welcome! Be it known that you really need some form of these products. How important they are to you depends to some degree on the quality and continuity of your local electrical utility. Even if you normally show a coherent sine wave 24/7/365, all it takes is one local lightening strike and you'll have more fryin' going on than your local KFC!

My advice would be to never plug a HT component directly into the wall. If you have $18-20K+wrapped up in a Q6, receiver, DVD player, speakers, etc., protect it! Who here would not be crying like a baby for a month if they saw their Q6 go up in a puff of smoke because of an errant lightening strike? Show of hands!? Monster is better than nothing (IMHO). The 5100 should be adequate. I like (and use) RGPC and I also like Quantum Resonance Technology (QRT) products because they take the inductance process to the next level, electro-magnetic line cleaning. This is a proprietary process which shows obvious audio and visual improvement.

This and the last few posts here have offered several different alternatives. which ever one you decide on will be a buffer between you and the big blue puff! I call mine "the wall". I don't know if brt3 has named his, but I bet he has a setup! BTW, the UPS is for the bulb in the Q6. All you need is about five minutes of battery time so the bulb can cool down properly (i.e., the internal fan runs until the heat dissipates). You may have to lay out a few extra bucks fo it and the line conditioning, but I consider it cheap insurance for valuable property, don't you? As someone once said, "It's better to have it and not need it, than to need it just once and not have anything but regrets."

More info here (/http://www.quantumqrt.com/tech.htm) for those interested. I hope this helps!

Originally posted by ninthdragon
I don't know if brt3 has named his, but I bet he has a setup!

Not too extreme, actually; I've spent too much time moving over the past 6-7 years! I have the Monster AVS 2000/HTPS 7000 combo -- which is nice and has served me well -- but I'd like to move these to my smaller system and get something along the lines of Equi-Tech or RGPC at some point...

Joel, I know you're busy enjoying your new toy, but if you're lurking, what do you think about all of this power talk? Do you have an opinion on the quality of the lines in our neighborhood?

None of my electronic equipment or computers are directly jacked into the wall, my one bad experience thankfully being with a new sprinkler control panel which only cost about a grand to replace.

For now I am not willing to spend the kind of money some of these very high end products call for and will have to run my gear off the 5100. The Q006, unfortunately, being located quite some distance from my equipment rack will have to survive being connected only to a 1500A UPS/surge protector (APC unit...I believe it also does some limited line conditioning).

My question as it relates to the Q006 and the UPS, when/if power ever goes out (only time in my recent memory this happened was the big blackout in NY), there is power to allow the fans to cool the lamp for proper/safe shutdown, but is there a way to have the Q006 initiate shutdown on such an event? I guess it would never be left unaccompanied and therefore someone could manually power it down, but what about that rare situation when someone isn't there to hold the Q's hand?

Originally posted by ninthdragon
This and the last few posts here have offered several different alternatives. which ever one you decide on will be a buffer between you and the big blue puff!
More info here (/http://www.quantumqrt.com/tech.htm) for those interested. I hope this helps!

9th,

Yes, my tears would have me checking my flood insurance!

I like everything I have read about the Exact Power EP15A EXCEPT it does not protect against lightning. Do you have an opinion as to what (simple) item I can add between the wall and this unit to guard against this?

Thanks.

Yo, JB. Always lurking!!! :)

I need to get a surge suppressor at a minimum. As between RGPC or the Power Plants or something else, I really don't know, and I've heard that particular debate go round and round ..... But we could have brownouts this summer, so definitely something is in order.

What size Power Plant or Power Company would make sense for a system including the 006? The P1000 is too big for my setup, physically. Plus, any experience with the Power Directors? The Power Plants seem to "do more" but they also cost more.

Cheers

I would consider Brick Wall as one of the higher quality options for surge protection. http://brickwall.com/howwork.htm

Originally posted by umr
I would consider Brick Wall as one of the higher quality options for surge protection. http://brickwall.com/howwork.htm

That's it, in the immortal words of Kramer (Seinfeld), "I'm out!"

I can't keep up with all this proposed spending :D

Originally posted by BenDover
That's it, in the immortal words of Kramer (Seinfeld), "I'm out!"

I can't keep up with all this proposed spending :D
Hey Eileen,

Everytime I've walked into Yee Ole Royal Pantry to get a new roll of Penton paper since yesterday, I've had several rolls fall down on my head ....

as we seem to be overstocked now that a certain investment in a certain company that produces a certain drug for aggressive breast ca. has come to fruition for me and zee wife......

so just PM the P-M your address and I'll send you out a few rolls because you're right.....hell, all the accessorizing is adding up to over zee cost of the 006……and the stand alone Hi-Def DVR’s and Blu-rays aren’t even out yet.:eek:

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hey Eileen,

Everytime I've walked into Yee Ole Royal Pantry to get a new roll of Penton paper since yesterday, I've had several rolls fall down on my head ....

as we seem to be overstocked now that a certain investment in a certain company that produces a certain drug for aggressive breast ca. has come to fruition for me and zee wife......

so just PM the P-M your address and I'll send you out a few rolls because you're right.....hell, all the accessorizing is adding up to over zee cost of the 006……and the stand alone Hi-Def DVR’s and Blu-rays aren’t even out yet.:eek:

that is a nice problem to have, overstocked Penton paper...somehow, that never happens in my household as both my wife and i like to spend, her on furnishing, and refurnishing, the house and me on purchasing, and forever upgrading, all the gadgets and gizmos. after all, he who dies with the most toys wins, right?

Originally posted by BenDover
after all, he who dies with the most toys wins, right?
As long as they can all fit in the coffin.:D

I have one of these (http://www.apc.com/products/family/index.cfm?id=23&tab=features#anchor1) (with the extra battery pack) still in the box that I bought for a rainy day. I was planning on using it with the Q006 but am now wondering with all this talk of not only line conditioners but also voltage regulators (honestly, i thought the 5100 that i purchased was a voltage regulator as well, guess not...no more impulse buying in the 11th hour) whether I should use it in my rack for the majority of the equipment, in conjunction with the 5100 and get a smaller apc for the Q...any thoughts.

I think I read somewhere about the differences between ups products intended for computers and those intended for audio/video gear but can't now recall where. iirc, it had something to do with response time and square waves vs. sinusoidal waves...been too many years since i was a rocket scientist.

[EDIT: Here is a good article (http://www.svconline.com/mag/avinstall_ups_systems_suitable/) ]

BenDover,

Please remember that the motivation for working for that Penton paper is not to put food on the table, car expenses,mortgage or other silly things like that. It is because of that never ending burning desire to have the best audio/video setup within 50 miles (200 miles for those rural people out there).

Get that voltage regulator/conditioner. It's like a condom for your Q... (not to be confused with that custom RadTech screen cover)

Originally posted by RonB63
BenDover,

Please remember that the motivation for working for that Penton paper is not to put food on the table, car expenses,mortgage or other silly things like that. It is because of that never ending burning desire to have the best audio/video setup within 50 miles (200 miles for those rural people out there).

Get that voltage regulator/conditioner. It's like a condom for your Q... (not to be confused with that custom RadTech screen cover)

Yes, good advice.

For now I am going to stick with the Monster HTS 5100 and my APC Back-UPS RS 1500 w/extra battery pack. In a year or so, after my wife has forgotten how much I've spent (she should only know the half of it; she is concerned with silly things like food, mortgages, kids' college tuition, etc.), I'll upgrade to some of the more serious options already discussed here.

In the meantime, I'm doing some research and discussing the QRT technology with a colleague of mine that has a Phd in physics. His first impression was that on the one hand it can certainly be applied to reduce/eliminate white noise as is done in nuclear magnetic resonance imaging but on the other hand, noise is all around us at all times and therefore it might be removing some subtleties.

Hey, check this out: www.puritypower.com/powerbase01.html

Someone I trust recommended it as "hands down" the best isolation unit and waveform unit available. Costs $3900 and requires a certified electrician to install it! Wild.

Cheers

Joel

Originally posted by Joel
Hey, check this out... Someone I trust recommended it as "hands down" the best isolation unit and waveform unit available.

My personal favorite in power systems... (http://www.equitech.com/products/wall/wall.html)

And now for something different...

I find cyberex to be the "best", but it usually costs way more than $3900, but for the Qualia crowd I guess it might make sense.

http://www.cyberex.com/members/products/ups/series4/

You might want to install a dual feed with a transfer switch from your diesel generator or separate utility feed as well. That is the combination I like to use at work.

Originally posted by umr
You might want to install a dual feed with a transfer switch from your diesel generator or separate utility feed as well. That is the combination I like to use at work.
Though you may be putting us on, that is the setup I used at my previous house in the sticks. When the power went out the last time it was out for over five days; the genset was a godsend. Never got around to building the bomb shelter, though...

:D

Originally posted by brt3
Though you may be putting us on, that is the setup I used at my previous house in the sticks. When the power went out the last time it was out for over five days; the genset was a godsend. Never got around to building the bomb shelter, though...

:D

It was no put on. I have used that combination for critical power applications with difficult loads in the past. I thought the average user would rather use something a little less expensive, but if we are talking about "the best" I have not seen a better combination. This assumes you test and maintain your diesel generator at a reasonable frequency though to ensure its availability.

The interview went fine this morning. Nice people from the Tequila (I can hear the jokes now) ad agency. The team that came does nothing but work on the Qualia campaign. The interview will be shown during a sales meeting.

Not much to report, but they did tell me they've seen the Qualia HD camcorder and it's pretty sweet. They also told me the meaning of Qualia has something to do with an emotional response that is invoked by the senses.

The questions about the Q006 were easy. So was extolling the virtues of this forum and all my helpful friends here. I hope I didn't forget to mention anybody (and I won't repeat the list I rambled off here, for that same reason). The toughest question was, how my friends would describe me (once again, I can hear the jokes now) :)

Oh, they did bring me a gift . . .

a gift-wrapped bottle of Cristal. :p

Originally posted by umr
It was no put on. I have used that combination for critical power applications with difficult loads in the past. I thought the average user would rather use something a little less expensive, but if we are talking about "the best" I have not seen a better combination. This assumes you test and maintain your diesel generator at a reasonable frequency though to ensure its availability.

My generator kicks on automatically every so often and runs its own diagnostics. If any problems are encountered, it sends an sms to my cell, an email to various email accounts and finally calls the electrician in for repairs.

Originally posted by jb007
The interview went fine this morning. Nice people from the Tequila (I can hear the jokes now) ad agency. The team that came does nothing but work on the Qualia campaign. The interview will be shown during a sales meeting.

Not much to report, but they did tell me they've seen the Qualia HD camcorder and it's pretty sweet. They also told me the meaning of Qualia has something to do with an emotional response that is invoked by the senses.

The questions about the Q006 were easy. So was extolling the virtues of this forum and all my helpful friends here. I hope I didn't forget to mention anybody (and I won't repeat the list I rambled off here, for that same reason). The toughest question was, how my friends would describe me (once again, I can hear the jokes now) :)

Oh, they did bring me a gift . . .

a gift-wrapped bottle of Cristal. :p


Sweet. Now you can pop that cork when the HiDef DVD players show up.

Originally posted by RonB63
9th,

Yes, my tears would have me checking my flood insurance!

I like everything I have read about the Exact Power EP15A EXCEPT it does not protect against lightning. Do you have an opinion as to what (simple) item I can add between the wall and this unit to guard against this?

Thanks.

Just make sure that your electrical system is properly grounded. The Exact Power unit should handle anything you throw at it. If it does take a lightening hit and blows up, but saves the rest of your electronics, I guess it has done its job, hasn't it?

I'm really glad to hear that so many others have made surge protection and/or power conditioning an essential part of the home theater unit. IMO, the high cost and finicky nature of modern components makes this a very smart move! To my eyes and ears, the immediate improvement in PQ and AQ alone make power conditioning a worthwhile investment.

5/4... I FINALLY have a date. I'm dying to find out whom NVC uses locally for deliveries. I have this strange feeling it's the same freight-forwarder everyone else uses which will be an utter laugh.

Originally posted by brt3
My personal favorite in power systems... (http://www.equitech.com/products/wall/wall.html)

And now for something different...


checkout what this guy has done with equitech (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5505559#post5505559)

Originally posted by BenDover
checkout what this guy has done with equitech (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5505559#post5505559)

I wonder if this guy has a Rolls parked out in back in case the other one needs to go in for scheduled service, :)

Originally posted by ninthdragon
If it does take a lightening hit and blows up, but saves the rest of your electronics, I guess it has done its job, hasn't it?



Actually I would be thrilled! The review from WSR (I think) led me to think that it would not protect the AV stuff hooked up to it. Surge protection is there but not enough to cover a serious spike from lightening. The reviewer mentioned this as one of the only "issues" he could find.

JB, you gotta share with the neighbors, man.... we'll be right over!!!! Sounds like it was fun!

Cheers (and this time, I REALLY mean it!)

Originally posted by umr
I find cyberex to be the "best", but it usually costs way more than $3900, but for the Qualia crowd I guess it might make sense.

http://www.cyberex.com/members/products/ups/series4/
umr, your killin me now!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by RonB63
I wonder if this guy has a Rolls parked out in back in case the other one needs to go in for scheduled service, :)
If I'm not mistaken, I've seen his picture before and I believe he is an 004 owner.:)
No joke.
If it's the guy I thinking of ...he also has the Pio 59 avi DVD player as one of the things hooked up to it.

Originally posted by jb007
The interview went fine this morning. The questions about the Q006 were easy. So was extolling the virtues of this forum and all my helpful friends here. I hope I didn't forget to mention anybody (and I won't repeat the list I rambled off here, for that same reason). The toughest question was, how my friends would describe me (once again, I can hear the jokes now) :)

jb,thanks for carrying the AVS forum banner and supporting the "Qualia cult."

Maybe if we have some recommendations for future upgrades....they will carry some weight?

Thanks again.

Originally posted by jb007
The interview went fine this morning. Nice people from the Tequila (I can hear the jokes now) ad agency. The team that came does nothing but work on the Qualia campaign.

They also told me the meaning of Qualia has something to do with an emotional response that is invoked by the senses.

You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if the ad scoundrels are taking credit for something that WE found out for THEM.

Namely, the Qualia emotional response thing is a link to some guy in Japan (that allegedly works for some computer science lab of Sony) that our own brt….(yes, that be Ray from Northern Cali.) posted on his Qualia homepage. I don’t know if it’s still up…is it Ray?

Anyway, I had this link e-mailed to the Head of Ops and the Head of Marketing for Qualia and neither were aware of it before.

Could this be a case of the chicken came before the egg or the egg before the chicken?
Anyway, I say kudos to brt because I think he was really the source that enlighted at least the Qualia people in the U.S. as to its meaning.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if the ad scoundrels are taking credit for something that WE found out for THEM. Namely, the Qualia emotional response thing is a link to some guy in Japan (that allegedly works for some lab sciences division of Sony) that our own brt….(yes, that be Ray from Northern Cali.) posted on his Qualia homepage. I don’t know if it’s still up…is it Ray?

You can find it HERE on my webpage... (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/Menu26.html) Click on "The Qualia Manifesto" on the bottom right of the page...

Originally posted by jb007
The toughest question was, how my friends would describe me (once again, I can hear the jokes now) :)

Simple.....
A gentleman and a scholar.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Simple.....
A gentleman and a scholar.

Thanks PM, and to all the other gentlemen and scholars, in this forum :) :)

For all of us Qualia 006 wannabees. precious is now on display at the Marietta (Johnson Ferry) HiFi Buys in Atlanta. Even though I've got the dimensions, I'm afraid if I stop by, I won't leave empty handed (Well my wallet might be...). I did love the Asst Manager's (Ilya's) impression of the set. This is a quote "We all bowed and said we're not worthy".

Happy Qualia Hunting!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
If I'm not mistaken, I've seen his picture before and I believe he is an 004 owner.:)
No joke.
If it's the guy I thinking of ...he also has the Pio 59 avi DVD player as one of the things hooked up to it.

Yes, he is the one with a Qualia 004 Setup (http://www.winglake.com/HTSystem.asp?page=current)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
umr, your killin me now!!!!!!!!!!

Waitasec, what happened to all that Penton-Paper that was bouncing off yer noggin?

Originally posted by dpc123
For all of us Qualia 006 wannabees. precious is now on display at the Marietta (Johnson Ferry) HiFi Buys in Atlanta. Even though I've got the dimensions, I'm afraid if I stop by, I won't leave empty handed (Well my wallet might be...). I did love the Asst Manager's (Ilya's) impression of the set. This is a quote "We all bowed and said we're not worthy".

Happy Qualia Hunting!
Are you listening ToddD from Alpharetta......just down the road on display!

Originally posted by kanebear
Waitasec, what happened to all that Penton-Paper that was bouncing off yer noggin?
WAY OVER $3900 !!!!! for some power thing... just to make me sleep well at night ???
When I don't even understand the physics behind it ?

I don't have that much Penton-Paper bouncing off the noggin.:eek:

I don't know about anyone else, but I don't feel like an elitist next to that setup and in fact, I might be a Qualia 004 wannabe.

Can you imagine, $3K to replace the xenon bulb!!!!

Originally posted by BenDover

Can you imagine, $3K to replace the xenon bulb!!!!
Tell me nhey,
How many spare bulbs would YOU then get for emergency situations.:D

Originally posted by dpc123
For all of us Qualia 006 wannabees. precious is now on display at the Marietta (Johnson Ferry) HiFi Buys in Atlanta. Even though I've got the dimensions, I'm afraid if I stop by, I won't leave empty handed (Well my wallet might be...). I did love the Asst Manager's (Ilya's) impression of the set. This is a quote "We all bowed and said we're not worthy".

Happy Qualia Hunting!


I'll be there tomorrow!;)

Originally posted by BenDover
I don't know about anyone else, but I don't feel like an elitist next to that setup and in fact, I might be a Qualia 004 wannabe.

Can you imagine, $3K to replace the xenon bulb!!!!


But you are an elitist!!! (or you will soon be!) ...and yes I'm a Q004 wannabe too....and a 006 as well!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Are you listening ToddD from Alpharetta......just down the road on display!

P-M: look for my impressions post tomorrow night....and you already know it will be good!

Returned after about 6 weeks to take a peek at Qualia Thread in hopes of reading feedback you could use and someone ought to shoot this thread in the head! Kill this nonsensical dribble please. What is this I'm bored with life so I'll talk about anything?

This has become the most ridiculous thread on this forum. There used to be actual reviews but reading the last 4 pages it looks like if someone had to pass gas they'd feel a need to post it here. How could folks get a $13K TV and make time for this nonsense? Sorry folks but have you tried to read this dribble with no substance whatsoever at 254 frickin pages? Sooner or later someone needs to give this thing a burial and start from scratch real info rather than a chat room reporting on every movement by the delivery guys like thats an event, and you want to know why people label Qualia owners as Elitists - there's the proof - the self indulgence to feel a need to report on the movement of a TV like it's a FOX News Alert. It's a TV and admittedly great one but that's all it is it's not a news event. Oooops I better not take up space where someone can report where in the world their TV may be next from their tracking numbers - WHO CARES? YUCK!

If the TV is so great than why all the dribble that means nothing! RIP!!!

FLAME ON BOYS!

Originally posted by westa6969
If the TV is so great than why all the dribble that means nothing! RIP!!!
:D

Originally posted by westa6969


If the TV is so great than why all the dribble that means nothing! RIP!!!



:D :D

Originally posted by kaduku
:D :D

I see your :D :D and raise you a :D!

:D:D:D

Originally posted by westa6969
Returned after about 6 weeks to take a peek at Qualia Thread in hopes of reading feedback you could use and someone ought to shoot this thread in the head! Kill this nonsensical dribble please. What is this I'm bored with life so I'll talk about anything?
<snip>
If the TV is so great than why all the dribble that means nothing! RIP!!!

FLAME ON BOYS!

Hmm, perhaps it's because none of us have had the "OMG I've got BUBBLES/SMUDGES/SMEAR/SCHMUTZ/DEADPIXELS/LIVEPIXELS/COLORWHEELIMBALANCEIGOTTACALL'EMTOFIXTHISNOWOHWHATDOIDO????" experience and thus aren't having to go through the handwringing heartache of having our new children folded, spindled and mutilated and even REPLACED numerous times. Nope, as opposed to the poor plebes who must live with mere pedestrian sets, we've had no catastrophic delivery issues. (Note that mine arrives 5/4 and I have now officially jinxed myself.) As with anything else, if you don't like the dribble, you don't HAVE to read the thread. :)

I don't believe real people dribble for 255 pages even if they really do love the Qualia. I will give credit where credit is due--while such marketing has been engaged in this such tactic in the past--it has never reached these heights. The current effort has all the originality, banality, and cliquishness of "Gag me with a spoon". Eventually people just have to ask themselves if the Qualia is worth 13K--all the sophomoric humor in the world won't make that joke funny!

Originally posted by Artwood
I don't believe real people dribble for 255 pages even if they really do love the Qualia. I will give credit where credit is due--while such marketing has been engaged in this such tactic in the past--it has never reached these heights. The current effort has all the originality, banality, and cliquishness of "Gag me with a spoon". Eventually people just have to ask themselves if the Qualia is worth 13K--all the sophomoric humor in the world won't make that joke funny!

The answer to that seems to be YES, but not just by the owners themselves who might have a tendency to need to justify their purchase, but by non-owners, specifically, professional reviewers.

Is it priced at a premium, absolutely. Isn't this always the case for the latest and greatest, bleeding edge technology? And then there is always that handful of people that are forever holding onto their old technology that feel the need to justify their own situation by tossing sh*t, figuring that eventually something is bound to stick. Life goes on and page counts go up, so what.

Someone a few pages back posted about the upcoming TPV review of the Q006. I've been to the news stands and visited TPV's site but still no sign of next month's issue. Guess someone had an advance screening.

BenD,

Got mine in the mail about 5 days ago. jb007 posted the review in the first post. Nice shot of the Q on the cover.

Originally posted by mpsan
I see your :D :D and raise you a :D!

:D:D:D

:( (fold)

You thought you've seen dribble, well you haven't seen dribble like this dribble! hehehe

westa6969,
Thanks for giving us a new topic to talk about :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Tell me nhey,
How many spare bulbs would YOU then get for emergency situations.:D

With a 2,000 hour lifespan, you might want to get several! Reminds me of a Porche - you don't have to be rich to buy one...but it sure takes a lot of Penton-Paper to maintain it! :D

Originally posted by ToddD
P-M: look for my impressions post tomorrow night....and you already know it will be good!

Finally one close enough to go see.(179 miles). Originally, I was told that it was very unlikely that they'd have one for display. Glad things changed.

editor58:

good news, yes hdtv is coming to cablevision...tune to 715 and you'll see a blue screen with white letters "reserved for yes hdtv" ...

finally, the Yankees (http://www.cablevision.com/index.jhtml?id=2005_04_27) , in HD...just in time for my qualia viewing pleasure.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Tell me nhey,
How many spare bulbs would YOU then get for emergency situations.:D


GOOD QUESTION! (1)

:D :D :D

Originally posted by Artwood
I don't believe real people dribble for 255 pages even if they really do love the Qualia. I will give credit where credit is due--while such marketing has been engaged in this such tactic in the past--it has never reached these heights. The current effort has all the originality, banality, and cliquishness of "Gag me with a spoon". Eventually people just have to ask themselves if the Qualia is worth 13K--all the sophomoric humor in the world won't make that joke funny!

I'm not real, I'm a figment of my own imagination.

Seriously, you put WAY too much stock in Sony's marketing team.... as for banality... they're all being banal while watching a MUCH nicer TV than you are. :D^

Originally posted by RonB63
BenD,

Got mine in the mail about 5 days ago. jb007 posted the review in the first post. Nice shot of the Q on the cover.

Sorry, brain fart...I read that review when it first came out :)

Originally posted by BenDover
editor58:

good news, yes hdtv is coming to cablevision...tune to 715 and you'll see a blue screen with white letters "reserved for yes hdtv" ...

finally, the Yankees (http://www.cablevision.com/index.jhtml?id=2005_04_27) , in HD...just in time for my qualia viewing pleasure.

Y-E-S IN HI DEF???

GET THE F$&! OUT!!! HOLY &*##.
I have gotten the 006 picture to MY definition of BROADCAST standards.

OK, I admit it. In mid sentence I left this reply, went to Ch 715. I thought you might have been pulling my cable but alas. YES in HD. I think I will
keep Cablevision after all.

WHO is going to the HILTON electronics Show in NYC Today or Tomorrow?

Wanna HOOK UP??

Editor.

Originally posted by editor58
Y-E-S IN HI DEF???

GET THE F$&! OUT!!! HOLY &*##.
I have gotten the 006 picture to MY definition of BROADCAST standards.

OK, I admit it. In mid sentence I left this reply, went to Ch 715. I thought you might have been pulling my cable but alas. YES in HD. I think I will
keep Cablevision after all.

WHO is going to the HILTON electronics Show in NYC Today or Tomorrow?

Wanna HOOK UP??

Editor.

As we discussed, my plan is to get there tomorrow; I was going to call you today. I have something at work that might prevent me but I've been trying like hell to clear the decks so I can get there.

I think we have the dates messed up. on their site it says May 20th.

Wuz up wid that!

Editor

Originally posted by editor58
I think we have the dates messed up. on their site it says May 20th.

Wuz up wid that!

Editor
I believe that the correct dates are April 28 - May 1 and for all those that are interested (brt if you're going to the big apple on another trip ?) the Dragonfly with HQV, the first Video Scaler, using Silicon Optix’s innovative Realta video processing IC will be on display.
May be worthwhile to drop in.

editor - I thought you might have an orgasm when you saw the last post about the Bronx Bombers being broadcast in HD. I felt all we got was a muffled response.

Originally posted by mpsan
I see your :D :D and raise you a :D!

:D:D:D
And another....:D
Luckily, now when I see the pic of another "Angry Old Bugger" with the word dribble in the first two sentences, I laugh and scrawl downward.

(no offence Mark, I'm not referring to you at all, but a previous malcontent.)

Originally posted by Artwood
while such marketing has been engaged in this such tactic in the past--it has never reached these heights.
Now THAT'S the Artwood I remember.....CONSPIRACY THEORY !!!!!!!
Pray tell what will happen to cable subscribers as TWC takes over Adelphia and Comcast in the L.A. market ?????
Or more specifically, are the SA boxes are bad as reputed to be ?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I believe that the correct dates are April 28 - May 1 and for all those that are interested (brt if you're going to the big apple on another trip ?) the Dragonfly with HQV, the first Video Scaler, using Silicon Optix’s innovative Realta video processing IC will be on display.
May be worthwhile to drop in.

editor - I thought you might have an orgasm when you saw the last post about the Bronx Bombers being broadcast in HD. I felt all we got was a muffled response.

OOOooooooooo.... Ahhhhhhhhhh, OK honey, it's over! Was it good for U?

New York, NY—March 2004—The Home Entertainment Show (HE2004), the largest and most comprehensive showcase of consumer electronics and imaging products in America, returns to New York City May 20–23, 2004 at the Hilton New York Hotel—the site of two popular HE Shows held in 2001 and 2002. Over 15,000 attendees are expected to visit the NY Hilton, optimized for the ultimate user experience. Unlike typical trade shows, HE2004 provides visitors with the opportunity of seeing and hearing the finest products in upscale hotel rooms, creating the best-sounding environments for demonstrating high-performance gear.


THIS IS WHAT I FOUND!! My Bad.?? or did they get the date wrong.
Link to Article (http://forum.ecoustics.com/bbs/messages/10381/15147.html)

Editor

Ohhh MAN - The Article is for the 2004 show.

I'm just a dope!!

brt and editor,
Can we please get pics of Max and Elmo on the SAME page - just to keep this thread on Canine harmony?
It's a Qualia emotional thing for dog lovers like me.

HOME ELECTRONIC SHOW IN NY

NEW YORK HILTON
APRIL 28 – MAY 1, 2005
THURSDAY NOON - 6:00PM *Press & Trade Only
FRIDAY 10:00AM - 6:00PM
SATURDAY 10:00AM - 6:00PM
SUNDAY 10:00AM - 5:00PM

Join us in Manhattan for four fantastic days of demos, workshops, exhibits, live concerts, autograph signings and more. The HE2005 show is the place to see the best in high-end audio and video connect with the latest in convergence technologies for the home.

Over 5 floors, Over 250 brands,

Corrected by:
Your friendly neighboorhood EDITOR

I will be at the show tomorrow however I am "dragging" 3 less enthusiastic people with me so I will not get much chance to meet and greet.

I will be the one planted in front of the Q chanting over and over "is it real?"

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I believe that the correct dates are April 28 - May 1 and for all those that are interested (brt if you're going to the big apple on another trip ?) the Dragonfly with HQV, the first Video Scaler, using Silicon Optix’s innovative Realta video processing IC will be on display.
May be worthwhile to drop in.

editor - I thought you might have an orgasm when you saw the last post about the Bronx Bombers being broadcast in HD. I felt all we got was a muffled response.

i thought the denon 5910 uses the realta chip?

Yup, but that's a DVD player, were talking scaler here.

The 5910 is a DVD player, so only that source is processed, scaled, etc.

The Dragonfly is an outboard processor, which will process all inputs.

Further, the 5910 does not use the full implementation of the Realta processor/Silicon Optix algorithms (some guess due to time to market concerns/issues) while the Dragonfly will use a more complete set of the functionality/features.

Edit:Sorry, Penton-man responded while I was typing.

at least now there is a concensus :)

after getting hit in the noggin' with too many rolls of penton paper, you never can tell whether his statements are accurate/coherent :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yup, But that's a DVD player, were talking scaler here.

Algolith Dragonfly Link (http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=137)

PleasePleasePlease -- can someone at the show check this out? I have one on pre-order (easily cancelled if it doesn't pan out) and would love to hear any good/bad/neutral things about it. According to Michel Poirer of Algolith, they may also be showing the Mosquito HDMI version; together these two should make a formidable (if expensive) combo...

Originally posted by brt3
Algolith Dragonfly Link (http://www.algolith.com/index.php?id=137)

PleasePleasePlease -- can someone at the show check this out? I have one on pre-order (easily cancelled if it doesn't pan out) and would love to hear any good/bad/neutral things about it. According to Michel Poirer of Algolith, they may also be showing the Mosquito HDMI version; together these two should make a formidable (if expensive) combo...

damn brt, you must have plenty of penton paper floating around the house as well; either that or you're not married :)

Originally posted by SF_Theater
Further, the 5910 does not use the full implementation of the Realta processor/Silicon Optix algorithms (some guess due to time to market concerns/issues) while the Dragonfly will use a more complete set of the functionality/features.
Edit:Sorry, Penton-man responded while I was typing.
Not a problem, I'm glad you chimed in because what you say in paragraph 2 (Further....) is a key point.

Originally posted by BenDover

after getting hit in the noggin' with too many rolls of penton paper, you never can tell whether his statements are accurate/coherent :D
Ain't that the truth.

But it can't be getting that bad yet as I made the visual-thought processing connection of that "Bland" guy owning an 004 on the last page....or, was that the next to the last page....or was that 5 pages ago.:D

brt- you're running out of room on this page to post a pic of Elmo on the same page as Max.....am I going to have to delete some of my posts and lose the race I have going with Rogo ???

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt- you're running out of room on this page to post a pic of Elmo on the same page as Max.....am I going to have to delete some of my posts and lose the race I have going with Rogo ???

Uh, PM, I love ya like a Qualian brother, but you lost that race long ago :D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt- you're running out of room on this page to post a pic of Elmo on the same page as Max...
Once again, this thread has gone to the dogs...

Dog imitating Ferrari logo...

Max the Wonder Lab

I wonder where dinner is?

He's a Lab... Do you want your Lab results?

Editor

Is Sony planning on releasing any of these Qualias's in the 50-60 inch range?

Just a random observation: It amazes me how many people I run into, on these forums for example, that buy these uber-expensive sets, like this Qualia and then they turn around and they're using a $250 upscaling player like the Sony 975 to finish it off instead of something worthy of that TV, like say: A Denon 3910, 5910, a Pioneer 59, an Onkyo 1000, etc.

I just don't get it. You're shortchanging yourself and that awesome TV by cheapskating on something like the DVD player.

That's just my $0.02.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
It amazes me how many people that buy these uber-expensive sets, like this Qualia and then they turn around and they're using a $250 upscaling player like the Sony 975 to finish it off instead of something worthy of that TV, like say: A Denon 3910, 5910, a Pioneer 59, an Onkyo 1000, etc.
This occurs because the 975 is one of the few players that let you output 480I over HDMI. The scaler in the Qualia is quite good, so this seems to give superb results. Furthermore, many people are waiting to see what happens with Blu-ray. I would have already bought a Denon 5910 but would prefer to get my Realta/HQV chip in an outboard processor that would spread the benefits of this chip around by accepting multiple inputs. Finally, many people on this thread had to really stretch (financially) to buy this set, and the 975 is a great alternative until their bank accounts stabilize...

Originally posted by brt3
This occurs because the 975 is one of the few players that let you output 480I over HDMI. The scaler in the Qualia is quite good, so this seems to give superb results. Furthermore, many people are waiting to see what happens with Blu-ray. I would have already bought a Denon 5910 but would prefer to get my Realta/HQV chip in an outboard processor that would spread the benefits of this chip around by accepting multiple inputs. Furthermore, many people on this thread had to really stretch (financially) to buy this set, and the 975 is a great alternative until their bank accounts stabilize...

Fair enough.

I notice at the Qualia website, I was trying to see for a dealer locator option. I don't even know if I could buy one of these or see one anywhere close by to where I live. I'd love to at least see it one time. There doesn't even seem to be a lot of online buying options.

Is there any plans for a <70 inch version of this display any time soon?

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
...any plans for a <70 inch version of this display any time soon?
The consensus seems to be yes, but no one's exactly certain what and when. I recall someone mentioning 50 and 60 inch versions by the end of the year, and that these would be marketed as Sony XBRs at significantly lower price points, but with quality compromises in the optics, etc....

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Is Sony planning on releasing any of these Qualias's in the 50-60 inch range?

Just a random observation: It amazes me how many people I run into, on these forums for example, that buy these uber-expensive sets, like this Qualia and then they turn around and they're using a $250 upscaling player like the Sony 975 to finish it off instead of something worthy of that TV, like say: A Denon 3910, 5910, a Pioneer 59, an Onkyo 1000, etc.

I just don't get it. You're shortchanging yourself and that awesome TV by cheapskating on something like the DVD player.

That's just my $0.02.

Sony is displaying the 006 in Las Vegas using a 975 as the DVD source. I've got a 'legacy' Esoteric DV-50 but will be checking out a 975 as well to see if it's an improvement. If the 975 gets the job done well enough, why spend more? It's kinda like tube rolling. The component may be $15k but if a $10 tube improves the sound, why spend more?

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
[B I don't even know if I could buy one of these [/B]
I know a little bird that could have an 006 in your home by Wed. or Thurs. of next week!
PM me if you're interested or anybody else for that matter.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
I just don't get it. You're shortchanging yourself and that awesome TV by cheapskating on something like the DVD player.

Plus that Q,
If no “hybrid” Hi-Def player comes to fruition (my goodness I think all that Sony-Toshiba *let’s make one format talk* was only based on ONE newspaper article or news release – which was later played down by both protagonists)

…….and there IS a format war …….I can see the possibility of some of us popping for two Hi-Def players---- if we guess wrong initially. :eek:

Originally posted by brt3
Dog imitating Ferrari logo...
LOL, LOL, LOL !!!!!!

Why not just pay actors to do movies with direct feeds directly through to the Qualia? But more than that have a custom built Ferrari with a Qualia already in it and you could watch the movie "The Joys of Qualianism"?

brt and Dean (sorry for the delay) P.M.'s responded to.

You guys have to give me a heads-up when you send me a P.M. because I don't check the box regularly and for some reason I don't get any notification that I have a P.M. pending.......perhaps a conspiracy against Penton-Man by Artwood ???

Originally posted by brt3
This occurs because the 975 is one of the few players that let you output 480I over HDMI.

...

To my knowledge, there is only one other player that outputs 480i over HDMI; not sure why that is other than nothing needs to make sense in the electronics world.

Originally posted by Artwood
have a custom built Ferrari with a Qualia already in it
Artwood's keeping up with our little thread here !!!!!!!!!!

We must be doing something right.:D

Q: On the el cheapo DVD issue, most of us are using the 975 solely as a digital transport for 480i over HDMI, and using the 006 electronics. Simply as a transport, those players are a lot more similar than they are different.

Plus, for most of us, the 975 is a transition player awaiting the HD players in less than a year, when we plan to upgrade. No point in shelling out 1500+ for a digital transport with less than a year to go.

Now, if one were using the player to upscale to 1080i, then a better player makes sense. I can't see much difference between 1080o and 480i on my 975. Those with the Pioneer 59i can, which makes sense because thay player's electronics are pretty good.

Cheers

i'm going to have to pick up a 975 at a local shop that i can return it to and run it head to head against another el cheapo player, the samsung hd-931

Originally posted by BenDover
To my knowledge, there is only one other player that outputs 480i over HDMI; not sure why that is other than nothing needs to make sense in the electronics world.
Maybe 2.
The Pioneer 59avi and an Arcam model....I think the 27.
Nope nothin needs to make sense in the electronics world as long as the engineers have all their ducks errrr..... electrons in a row.

Originally posted by Artwood
Why not just pay actors to do movies with direct feeds directly through to the Qualia? "?
Now, come to think of it.....we just did !!!!!!!!

jb007 did it yesterday with the Tequila group, only he didn't get paid.

Originally posted by BenDover
To my knowledge, there is only one other player that outputs 480i over HDMI; not sure why that is other than nothing needs to make sense in the electronics world.
Also keep in mind folks, that the 006 only has 2 HDMI inputs (which is really my biggest beef about the display) so purty soon the significance of passing 480i over HDMI is going to be a moot issue unless we all pop for switchers.

Originally posted by Joel
Q: On the el cheapo DVD issue, most of us are using the 975 solely as a digital transport for 480i over HDMI, and using the 006 electronics. Simply as a transport, those players are a lot more similar than they are different.

Plus, for most of us, the 975 is a transition player awaiting the HD players in less than a year, when we plan to upgrade. No point in shelling out 1500+ for a digital transport with less than a year to go.

Now, if one were using the player to upscale to 1080i, then a better player makes sense. I can't see much difference between 1080o and 480i on my 975. Those with the Pioneer 59i can, which makes sense because thay player's electronics are pretty good.

Cheers

Cool 'nuff!

Penton, check your PM.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Also keep in mind folks, that the 006 only has 2 HDMI inputs (which is really my biggest beef about the display) so purty soon the significance of passing 480i over HDMI is going to be a moot issue unless we all pop for switchers.

a hdmi/dvi switch is a must in my book...

Here's what Penton-Man needs, since it's tough getting the Qualia outside by the pool...

SuperScreen (http://www.superscreenusa.com/index.html)

btw, editor58, you said that you got your Q to what you consider near broadcast quality...would you mind sharing your settings, inquiring minds want to know ?

Originally posted by brt3
Here's what Penton-Man needs, since it's tough getting the Qualia outside by the pool...

SuperScreen (http://www.superscreenusa.com/index.html)
That's right !
And I see they have a SuperScreen "Mini" for Mini-Dive.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Also keep in mind folks, that the 006 only has 2 HDMI inputs (which is really my biggest beef about the display) so purty soon the significance of passing 480i over HDMI is going to be a moot issue unless we all pop for switchers.

I'm pretty confident that Zektor (http://www.zektor.com/products/index.html) will offer an HDMI switcher soon. Also, the head of Algolith has said they'll introduce an HDMI/Digital Mosquito around the same time they begin selling the DragonFly. This will have 4 HDMI inputs and will function as a switcher/mpeg noise reducer. Not cheap, but from what I've heard this could be a fantastic package...

Originally posted by BenDover
a hdmi/dvi switch is a must in my book...
Yeah,
It's beginning to look that way but are they really all foolproof or are some finicky with certain set-ups ?? esp. with all this HDCP handshake stuff.

Is anyone here using a 4x1 HDMI switcher with their Qualia 006 ??

Originally posted by Penton-Man
...are they really all foolproof or are some finicky with certain set-ups ?? esp. with all this HDCP handshake stuff.

This is a good point, PM. Does the handshake peculiarity only occur with the Comcast 6412? It's ever-present on mine (not much of an issue as a quick press of "GUIDE" then "EXIT" restores things to normal), but I never get so much of a hiccup out of HDMI from the Sony 975. Wonder if that's because these cable boxes are built so cheaply?

Originally posted by brt3
This is a good point, PM. Does the handshake peculiarity only occur with the Comcast 6412? It's ever-present on mine (not much of an issue as a quick press of "GUIDE" then "EXIT" restores things to normal), but I never get so much of a hiccup out of HDMI from the Sony 975. Wonder if that's because these cable boxes are built so cheaply?

but that sounds like something wrong with the 6412, not a switch, unless you are also using a switch.

i've indicated before, i've been using a dvi switcher (gefen) for over a year and have had not a single problem with handshakes. i have had a samsung dvd player (931), a samsung ota tuner (t165), a home theater pc, voom receiver and now cablevision's hd dvr cable box (sa 8300hd; this has an hdmi out so i put an hdmi/dvi adapter on my existing dvi cable and plugged it into the 8300's output) connected to the gefen which is connected to my samsung dlp rptv without a single handshake hiccup.

maybe i've just been lucky.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yeah,
It's beginning to look that way but are they really all foolproof or are some finicky with certain set-ups ?? esp. with all this HDCP handshake stuff.

Is anyone here using a 4x1 HDMI switcher with their Qualia 006 ??

i am using the geffen 2x1 dvi switcher. i bought it when i had the 60" xbr lcd. it works great. no problems. i am currently using it now. i have my sony hd200 satelite tuner going to it. i had my pioneer dvd 59avi going to it with a dvi/hdmi cable from the 59avi to the switcher. then the same type cable to the Q from the switcher. NO PICTURE! it worked fine going to my xbr which had dvi input. i now have the 59avi going directly to the Q using hdmi/hdmi only. all is well. i guess my pioneer doesnt want to be converted from hdmi to dvi then back to hdmi.

Originally posted by BenDover
To my knowledge, there is only one other player that outputs 480i over HDMI; not sure why that is other than nothing needs to make sense in the electronics world.

the pioneer 59avi does also.

My local Tweeter store (Sound Advice) has the 006 on the floor. They say they'll match any competitor's price . . . excluding on-line sellers.

It does have a terrific picture.

I think what kanebear means by "As with anything else, if you don't like the dribble, you don't HAVE to read the thread." is...

If it doesn't fit, you can omit!


Originally posted by kanebear
Hmm, perhaps it's because none of us have had the "OMG I've got BUBBLES/SMUDGES/SMEAR/SCHMUTZ/DEADPIXELS/LIVEPIXELS/COLORWHEELIMBALANCEIGOTTACALL'EMTOFIXTHISNOWOHWHATDOIDO????" experience and thus aren't having to go through the handwringing heartache of having our new children folded, spindled and mutilated and even REPLACED numerous times. Nope, as opposed to the poor plebes who must live with mere pedestrian sets, we've had no catastrophic delivery issues. (Note that mine arrives 5/4 and I have now officially jinxed myself.) As with anything else, if you don't like the dribble, you don't HAVE to read the thread. :)

Originally posted by hifi59
then the same type cable to the Q from the switcher. NO PICTURE! it worked fine going to my xbr which had dvi input. i now have the 59avi going directly to the Q using hdmi/hdmi only. all is well. i guess my pioneer doesnt want to be converted from hdmi to dvi then back to hdmi.
That's the kind of wild card switcher stuff I mean.
But is any 006 owner out there using an HDMI switcher at the current time??

OK here's my 006 Viewing report!...

I journeyed over today to the HiFi Buys on Johnson Ferry Road to see the new 006 that they just put up on display. First I should give a description of the store setting and the viewing conditions for the displays.

This store is like most chains (smaller ones that is) in that all of it's TV's are displayed in one of two ways. First there are rooms that simulate a home setting. Darker lighting, sofas and soft chairs. These are the "best" of the viewing rooms. The other way is what you'd see in a Best Buy or Sears. TV's some on Stands, some on fixtures arraigned around the walls, one next to each other. Some parts of the store are fed with HD DirecTv, some parts are fed with Comcast cable.

In the case of the 006, the set was not setup in a Viewing room but out on the floor on a wood stand. Next to it on one side was a 50+" Samsung DLP set and a 60+" Mits DLP was on the other side. The lighting in this area was store level (Bright) and the whole section was fed from a Comcast HD PVR via Component. NONE of the setting in the menu's matched what you guys have concluded they should be....

Now that you have a idea in your mind of the location and viewing conditions let me tell you my observations.

First let me give you the "punch line" WITHOUT a DOUBT the 006 IS the best TV in the store. Nothing even is close. Now having spoiled the suspense let me back up to how I came to this conclusion.

As you first see the set you see how the detail and brightness stands out from the other sets in the area. The closer you get the better it looks! I watched some stuff from DiscoveryHD at a distance to the set (24 to 36 inches) that should be illegal, but it still held up. No other TV can do that.
The detail in this set is very impressive. I have been watching HD for over 7 years now having seen my first HD programing in 1988 as our first stations went HD very early in the process and I have never seen a set display as much detail and I've seen about every HD set out there.

One of the things about this set (and this is true for all things of great clarity, Displays, Speakers..ect) is that if there is something wrong in your source they make it stand out like a sore thumb. True here.... We watched some Weather Ch. (from right down the street I should add) and some CNBC and MSNBC. Remember this is all from a VERY compressed Comcast feed. All of that stuff was BAD....but here's the strange thing the 006 showed not only how bad the feed was but just how much better it could look than the set on either side! One of the most impressive things was the ending credits on a Film from INHD...white text on a black background....remember this was HD... The 006 looked very sharp...just like you'd see if you were at the movies ...the Samsung next to it (a $5000 set in it's own right) looked like crap....milky and so unsharp ...I'm sure you would have not noticed just how bad it is if the 006 was not there but it was a stark comparison. I joked to the sales guy that Samsung should pay them to not put their TV next to the 006!

So here is my conclusion....even in a very bad setting that did nothing to show what I could tell this set could do, fed with a less than great product for a input, the 006 never produced a picture that I could not be happy with, and one that was the class of the field as well. I though to myself about just how good I could make this set look at home with the right inputs, the proper settings and lighting ....

To say I was impressed is a understatement.

Now to find some Penton Paper..........

Originally posted by ToddD

...

To say I was impressed is a understatement.

Now to find some Penton Paper..........

PM was offering to send some of his extra penton paper the other day...

Originally posted by BenDover
PM was offering to send some of his extra penton paper the other day...

speaking of Penton Paper....and it's use...one other interesting thing I was told was that their margin on this set is over twice what it is for their average set....So even if you got a deal at below the first MSRP for the 006 (back when it was an XBR) they would still be making more margin than on their other sets......so I am sure that deals can be had....

I love about an hour and change north of Dayton, OH. Anyone know where I can see one of these things for myself?

Speaking of "deals" - the price on a hand written tag on the one I saw in Denver was $13,900. The sales guy said something about 15 and change out the door with the stand (I think he was including the stand). As I was only browsing, I didn't take him up on the "offer". :D

Originally posted by schaffer970
Speaking of "deals" - the price on a hand written tag on the one I saw in Denver was $13,900. The sales guy said something about 15 and change out the door with the stand. As I was only browsing, I didn't take him up on the "offer". :D


thats $1000 over MSRP.....not so good.....

ToddD,

You need to compare displays with proper calibration. The Qualia is a great TV, but factory defaults or your typical store setup can be horribly poor.

Originally posted by umr
ToddD,

You need to compare displays with proper calibration. The Qualia is a great TV, but factory defaults or your typical store setup can be horribly poor.

but when they are all sitting in the same room, in the out of the box condition, isn't that a fair comparison? :)

Originally posted by umr
ToddD,

You need to compare displays with proper calibration. The Qualia is a great TV, but factory defaults or your typical store setup can be horribly poor.


While I know you are a great calibrator and used to seeing what you can make a Tv do....that's not the way it is in a retail store where people (like me!) are in there messing with the setting's all day long....I've learned to overlook the settings and just judge what is there to be seen....Full well knowing that IT can be better when it's home and set up the right way....

Originally posted by ToddD
While I know you are a great calibrator and used to seeing what you can make a Tv do....that's not the way it is in a retail store where people (like me!) are in there messing with the setting's all day long....I've learned to overlook the settings and just judge what is there to be seen....Full well knowing that IT can be better when it's home and set up the right way....

Amen.

It's amazing how different the same sets can look when you go from one store to another.

Frustrating...

Comcast 6412...should I???

This may seem like a strange question, but we are thinking of getting a 6412 from Comcast. I know Sony will be selling the HDD250 and HDD500 "real soon now", but they are $800 and $1000. Also, wonder how well the guide will work.

My question comes from all of the comments and issues that I see posted about this box...6412...all over this Forum and others. I hear that it works very well with few issues, to unwatchable SD. Some say they can move it from 1 TV to another if they want to watch HD on a better set.

At any rate, is the 6412 more trouble than it is worth? I had thought it may be a good thing to try while we wait to see how the new HD-DVR works out. One thing I do not need now, with getting the Q and stand going, is a unit that takes more time to get working than watching!

TIA

Dave...Qualia Elite member 507.

ToddD

Thanks for the review. I'll be making the 3 1/2 hr drive to Marietta tomorrow. Been waiting months to find one in driving distance to check out.

Originally posted by mpsan


...

Dave...Qualia Elite member 507.

507...Is that how many are in circulation now?

Not sure...what was the first Serial Number?

Originally posted by BenDover
507...Is that how many are in circulation now?

I'll bet I'm looking at having to drive out west for over an hour to Ft. Wayne, Indiana to find one to see. Does Sony's site give a list of dealers or locators for Qualias at all, anywhere?

How are you all finding out where to go see these things?

Originally posted by mpsan
...we are thinking of getting a 6412 from Comcast. I know Sony will be selling the HDD250 and HDD500 "real soon now"... I hear [the 6412] works very well with few issues, to unwatchable SD.
mspan,

For many the 6412 is the only viable game in town. Compared to a top DVR (ReplayTV for me) it's not nearly as elegant or functional in use. The things I dislike:

Poor search features compared to ReplayTV.
If power is interrupted (or unit is reset) the 6412 starts rebuilding the program guide from scratch. Since the guide covers 2+ weeks this is a lengthy process (a couple of hours, probably). It's silly that it doesn't retain anything in memory, since it has an onboard HDD.
No Commercial Skip, though you can program a 30-second skip function into the remote
Poor SD quality: though my unit has (strangely) improved on SD it's still inferior (in my house) to DTV. Nearly everyone else here gives the edge to Comcast on PQ, but I kept both hooked up when I switched so that I could compare; in my house it wasn't close.
Insufficient HDD space -- should be doubled or quadrupled, and the device won't support external drives (which would be the perfect solution)

That being said, the big limitation on the Sony HDD500 is that it's a single-tuner device. The twin tuners in the 6412 really make a difference.

Originally posted by mpsan
Not sure...what was the first Serial Number?
How 'bout it, JB -- you up for starting a Qualia Registry?

:D

Originally posted by brt3

That being said, the big limitation on the Sony HDD500 is that it's a single-tuner device. The twin tuners in the 6412 really make a difference.
Yeah,
Agreed. If you get the Sony, you kind of have to use it as a supplemental storage device (and third tuner source) and also rent the regular HD box from your cable co. - which I guess isn't a big deal for us elitists with you guys are throwing out those big numbers for those power things.

Which I think I plan on doing because I only get a whopping !!!!!!!! 10-12 hours of HD storage with my Adelphia box.

I think the Sony HD recorders will end up being only for POWER users. The other thing that bugs me (but I can live with) is that I don’t see any firewire in the specs so no archiving possibilities with that route.

Originally posted by BenDover
PM was offering to send some of his extra penton paper the other day...
no, No, NO ......NOBODY else PM me for Penton paper.
Not after umr reported "way over $3900" for the power thing which I imagine would also require me to summon the Royal Electrician for installation.

Nice report Todd........I suspect the price will drop substantially over time.:)

Originally posted by schaffer970
Speaking of "deals" - the price on a hand written tag on the one I saw in Denver was $13,900.
RIP-OFF or arithmetic disorientation of numbers due to altitude sickness. What the hell…..how many home runs do they average out a the ballpark when the Rockies play ?

Maybe that represents some kind of Colorado coefficient.:)

Originally posted by Penton-Man

...

The other thing that bugs me (but I can live with) is that I don’t see any firewire in the specs so no archiving possibilities with that route.

But your beloved Q has firewire; you can archive directly.

My cable box, SA8300HD, has and e.SATA connector and allows you to connect a hard drive to the box for added storage. My intention is to play around with an external e.SATA enclosure with a hot swappable drive and possibly just keep popping in new hard drives...like big old clunky floppy disks.

Major drawback, from what I've read, is that the drive gets "married" to the specific box and isn't usable on another box, even another SA8300HD.

I have two 8300HDs and will experiment with this.

So far, the 8300 that I plan on connecting to the Q, reached capacity this afternoon when I recorded Equilibrium. At least I'll have a number of great flicks to watch on the Q right away :D

Originally posted by BenDover

Major drawback, from what I've read, is that the drive gets "married" to the specific box and isn't usable on another box

Would that be otherwise known as an Electronic Monogamous Relationship?

Originally posted by BenDover
But your beloved Q has firewire; you can archive directly.

My cable box, SA8300HD, has and e.SATA connector and allows you to connect a hard drive to the box for added storage. My intention is to play around with an external e.SATA enclosure with a hot swappable drive and possibly just keep popping in new hard drives...like big old clunky floppy disks.

Major drawback, from what I've read, is that the drive gets "married" to the specific box and isn't usable on another box, even another SA8300HD.

I have two 8300HDs and will experiment with this.

So far, the 8300 that I plan on connecting to the Q, reached capacity this afternoon when I recorded Equilibrium. At least I'll have a number of great flicks to watch on the Q right away :D

Ben:
Please note that the SATA port is turned off in setup unless your provider has the "special SATA " Firmware loaded on the box...Some Cable providers intend to RENT the SATA drives and will not turn it on until they have THEIR drives on site......

Thank you! I, too, have 3 Replaytv 5040's and we just love them...they just work!

I am not sure that I care about only having 1 tuner. The 5040's only have 1. I guess I could try the 6412 and see how the people like the Sony when it comes out. I wonder what the street price will be?


Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

For many the 6412 is the only viable game in town. Compared to a top DVR (ReplayTV for me) it's not nearly as elegant or functional in use. The things I dislike:

Poor search features compared to ReplayTV.
If power is interrupted (or unit is reset) the 6412 starts rebuilding the program guide from scratch. Since the guide covers 2+ weeks this is a lengthy process (a couple of hours, probably). It's silly that it doesn't retain anything in memory, since it has an onboard HDD.
No Commercial Skip, though you can program a 30-second skip function into the remote
Poor SD quality: though my unit has (strangely) improved on SD it's still inferior (in my house) to DTV. Nearly everyone else here gives the edge to Comcast on PQ, but I kept both hooked up when I switched so that I could compare; in my house it wasn't close.
Insufficient HDD space -- should be doubled or quadrupled, and the device won't support external drives (which would be the perfect solution)

That being said, the big limitation on the Sony HDD500 is that it's a single-tuner device. The twin tuners in the 6412 really make a difference.

PM, my main concern will be the Sony Guide! Does it come from the cable company on a channel like PBS?
If so, the clock will be way off! :D

Also, a little surprised that the two Sony's are only $200 apart.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yeah,
Agreed. If you get the Sony, you kind of have to use it as a supplemental storage device (and third tuner source) and also rent the regular HD box from your cable co. - which I guess isn't a big deal for us elitists with you guys are throwing out those big numbers for those power things.

Which I think I plan on doing because I only get a whopping !!!!!!!! 10-12 hours of HD storage with my Adelphia box.

I think the Sony HD recorders will end up being only for POWER users. The other thing that bugs me (but I can live with) is that I don’t see any firewire in the specs so no archiving possibilities with that route.

UH-OH! LG's 62" LCoS "Qualia Killer" in action.

http://gom5.com/hdtv.htm

Not bad for a set with a street price of around $4k. Let's just hope that red TV Guide logo is removable:) Good news for us potential 60" Sony LCoS owners, as Sony will have to react and adjust accordingly.

Originally posted by sycore
UH-OH! LG's 62" LCoS "Qualia Killer" in action.

http://gom5.com/hdtv.htm

Not bad for a set with a street price of around $4k. Let's just hope that red TV Guide logo is removable:) Good news for us potential 60" Sony LCoS owners, as Sony will have to react and adjust accordingly.

It all depends on how confident you are in purchasing an LG product. Kind of a mixed bag sometimes.

In any event, I hope it has the effect you're hoping for here.

Q,
PM on its way to you in a moment.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Q,
PM on its way to you in a moment.

beeepp...beeepp...booopp satellites are linking up in outer space...
beeep..booop computer banks are kicking on at NASA

Q- don't worry, it already has had "the effect you're hoping for" as you so elegantly stated.

Pento- What happened? You let one of your Sony sheep stray away from the flock? Don't worry you can still justify. I mean, the Sony costs three times as much, it just has to be three times better, right? I am sure when all is said and done, us Qualia owners will still have the best LCoS display available, but how much better and until when remains to be seen.

Originally posted by sycore

Pento- What happened?
Ah,
Q asked me in a prior PM about which possible dealers might have the 006 on display for him to see.... so he wouldn't have to make such a long drive out of state and other cost concern questions.

Shall we add *paranoid schizophrenia* to your list of running diagnoses which originally included anti-social behavioral traits ?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah,
Q asked me in a prior PM about which possible dealers might have the 006 on display for him to see.... so he wouldn't have to make such a long drive out of state and other cost concern questions.

Shall we add *paranoid schizophrenia* to your list of running diagnoses which originally included anti-social behavioral traits ?

Yes I think we should....


and while we are on the subject can someone explain to me why people who do not like what we are talking about here seem to feel the need to come over here and "steal our joy" by interjecting negative thought...I have a thought for them....stay the xxxxx away and go somewhere that they are talking about something you like and enjoy it!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Ah,
Q asked me in a prior PM about which possible dealers might have the 006 on display for him to see.... so he wouldn't have to make such a long drive out of state and other cost concern questions.

Shall we add *paranoid schizophrenia* to your list of running diagnoses which originally included anti-social behavioral traits ?

Oh crap... add that to my infallibility complex......
wait a minute.....now you've done screwed me up :eek:

"I am sure when all is said and done..."

I agree, there's a lot more said than done! :D


Originally posted by sycore
beeepp...beeepp...booopp satellites are linking up in outer space...
beeep..booop computer banks are kicking on at NASA

Q- don't worry, it already has had "the effect you're hoping for" as you so elegantly stated.

Pento- What happened? You let one of your Sony sheep stray away from the flock? Don't worry you can still justify. I mean, the Sony costs three times as much, it just has to be three times better, right? I am sure when all is said and done, us Qualia owners will still have the best LCoS display available, but how much better and until when remains to be seen.

To all the Qualians and other lovers of various sets and technologies: gushing praise and adoration has never influenced any display manufacture to improve their product. Criticism does. If this thread is 99.9% Pro Qualia just consider irritating cancers such as yours truely as great for your immune system--my very presence keeps you all alive! When I used to watch Star Trek in color in the 60s I never would have dreamed that one day I would evolve into a Qualian parasite! How would I look on the Qualia?!

Originally posted by Artwood
To all the Qualians and other lovers of various sets and technologies: gushing praise and adoration has never influenced any display manufacture to improve their product. Criticism does. If this thread is 99.9% Pro Qualia just consider irritating cancers such as yours truely as great for your immune system--my very presence keeps you all alive! When I used to watch Star Trek in color in the 60s I never would have dreamed that one day I would evolve into a Qualian parasite! How would I look on the Qualia?!
:confused:

Ergo, the best-case-scenario for both us consumers and the manufacturers is for them to always make crappy products--so that we'll have something to criticize them for.

But if they make a great product, and we tell others that it's great, and thus they sell a lot of them, and so more happy customers have that great product, then everyone loses . . . .

:confused:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by ToddD

and while we are on the subject can someone explain to me why people who do not like what we are talking about here seem to feel the need to come over here and "steal our joy" by interjecting negative thought...I have a thought for them....stay the xxxxx away and go somewhere that they are talking about something you like and enjoy it!

ToddD,
Thanks for sharing your input on your experience with the Q006. Also concerning that certain person, he comes around once in awhile like an irritating wart. Just ignore him or her like I've learned to do. And what kind of name is that, sounds like some sort of venereal disease :D

Originally posted by Artwood
To all the Qualians and other lovers of various sets and technologies: gushing praise and adoration has never influenced any display manufacture to improve their product. Criticism does. If this thread is 99.9% Pro Qualia just consider irritating cancers such as yours truely as great for your immune system--my very presence keeps you all alive!
Come on Art,
Don’t flatter yourself so much. Geez man, the Sony people don’t listen to my grievances about the 006 or jb’s (our original author and Qualia ad actor) so, why in the hell should they listen to you ?

Honestly, the Head of Ops and Head of Qualia Marketing are completely ignorant of the AVS forum goings-on because they’re scrambling to finish their daily tasks before they can run home and beat the freeway traffic to make it on time for dinner with their wives….esp. if they live in the suburbs of San Diego.

Will you please stay on topic and comment on how you think Time Warner Cable will effect Comcast and Adelphia subscribers in the L.A. market now that they’ve won the bidding and the creditors have accepted the proposal.

Will we get better or worse cable service ?
I mean you posed on another thread that you wondered about the attributes of a cable card vs a set top box for increased PQ. I think that’s a no-brainer but I be a dummy.

I’m concerned about this because I plan to purchase the Sony Hi-Def recorder (warts and all) to compliment my Adelphia DVR hooked up ….of course to my beloved 006. Also, colortv is an LA Comcast subscriber so how do you think his service will be changed with this change in management?

P.S.
If you want Sony to REALLY listen, then you shouldn’t say “If this thread is 99.9% Pro Qualia just consider irritating cancers such as yours truely as great for your immune system--my very presence keeps you all alive!”

You should say….”If this thread is 99.9% Pro QualiaN just consider irritating CARCINOMAS such as yours TRULY as great for your immune system –my very presence keeps you all FROM CODING!”

I mean wes gots to get our adjectives and spelling in order and use more descriptive medical nouns for the *powers to be* to pays attention. But I stills likes you because you makes me laugh.

And all that from a Science major that passed Calculus by being *molested* by his teach back in the good old days.:D

Originally posted by ToddD
and while we are on the subject can someone explain to me why people who do not like what we are talking about here seem to feel the need to come over here and "steal our joy" by interjecting negative thought
Remember towards the end of "TOMBSTONE" where Doc Holiday(while on his death bed) is talking to Wyatt Earp about his addicted wife ?

Originally posted by Artwood
To all the Qualians and other lovers of various sets and technologies: gushing praise and adoration has never influenced any display manufacture to improve their product. Criticism does. If this thread is 99.9% Pro Qualia just consider irritating cancers such as yours truely as great for your immune system--my very presence keeps you all alive! When I used to watch Star Trek in color in the 60s I never would have dreamed that one day I would evolve into a Qualian parasite! How would I look on the Qualia?!


Boys and girls, this is what happens when you spend all your time converging CRTs. Just like crack, it kills brain cells and makes you think you're helping others when you're not. Sure hope he doesn't volunteer at the animal shelter. See him throwing cats in with the dogs (just doing them a favor--helps build cat character and entertains the dogs) :D :D :D

Please -- don't feed the animals... I mean, trolls!

Originally posted by JimP

...

Sure hope he doesn't volunteer at the animal shelter. See him throwing cats in with the dogs (just doing them a favor--helps build cat character and entertains the dogs) :D :D :D

That's funny!



Originally posted by brt3
Please -- don't feed the animals... I mean, trolls!

Couldn't agree more!

Does anyone have better definitions of the menu settings than those offered in the instruction manual? Specifically:

What does Color corrector do internally compared to increasing "Color", and when would you use it?
What does DRC do, when would you use it, and what does reality vs. clarity mean?
What does "Direct Mode" mode do internally?

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
I love about an hour and change north of Dayton, OH. Anyone know where I can see one of these things for myself? I saw mine at Mentor TV,but they said Columbus has dealers also.

Does anyone here think that the Q will be the equivalent to Sony's introduction of the Trinitron tube in the 60's. The Trintitron picture was unmistakeable. You can tell the difference between it and all the other tvs in the store. The Trinitron remains the superior CRT to date.... Or is the Q just the first kid on the block using LCos technology. Will the others match it in short order? Will it soon be a me-too tv but only with superior electronics? Sony may have hit a homerun with the Q, but will it be their Trinitron of microdisplays?. any opinions?

Originally posted by hifi59
Does anyone here think that the Q will be the equivalent to Sony's introduction of the Trinitron tube in the 60's. The Trintitron picture was unmistakeable. You can tell the difference between it and all the other tvs in the store. The Trinitron remains the superior CRT to date.... Or is the Q just the first kid on the block using LCos technology. Will the others match it in short order? Will it soon be a me-too tv but only with superior electronics? Sony may have hit a homerun with the Q, but will it be their Trinitron of microdisplays?. any opinions?

I had several versions of the Philips Cineos (LCOS) set for just under a year, and it was in my opinion a better picture than DLP and LCD projections sets. I'm very interested to see how the SXRD compares when I stop by tonight and see the Qualia. I think Sony does have a hit on their hands, the question is, will they let the technology move to other size displays?

brt are you saying that the 6412 will loose your recording "events" if the power fails, or just that it has to rebuild the guide?


TIA, #507 :D



Originally posted by brt3
mspan,

For many the 6412 is the only viable game in town. Compared to a top DVR (ReplayTV for me) it's not nearly as elegant or functional in use. The things I dislike:

Poor search features compared to ReplayTV.
If power is interrupted (or unit is reset) the 6412 starts rebuilding the program guide from scratch. Since the guide covers 2+ weeks this is a lengthy process (a couple of hours, probably). It's silly that it doesn't retain anything in memory, since it has an onboard HDD.
No Commercial Skip, though you can program a 30-second skip function into the remote
Poor SD quality: though my unit has (strangely) improved on SD it's still inferior (in my house) to DTV. Nearly everyone else here gives the edge to Comcast on PQ, but I kept both hooked up when I switched so that I could compare; in my house it wasn't close.
Insufficient HDD space -- should be doubled or quadrupled, and the device won't support external drives (which would be the perfect solution)

That being said, the big limitation on the Sony HDD500 is that it's a single-tuner device. The twin tuners in the 6412 really make a difference.

Originally posted by mpsan
brt are you saying that the 6412 will loose your recording "events" if the power fails, or just that it has to rebuild the guide?


TIA, #507 :D

after all those posts extolling the virtues of power backup i would be shocked to learn that people don't have a crucial piece of equipment like their dvr connected to a backup power source :)

nhey-
Is your calibration still on for next week?
Inquiring minds would like to know.

Originally posted by mpsan
brt are you saying that the 6412 will lose your recording "events" if the power fails, or just that it has to rebuild the guide?
Just the Program Guide is lost; scheduled events are not lost. I like my 6412, I just don't love it (like my ReplayTVs). For a first effort I guess it's not bad, but they should have spent a bit more time learning the Tivo/ReplayTV feature set...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
I think that’s a no-brainer but I be a dummy.



Is this ebonics?

Originally posted by wojtek
Is this ebonics?
Just PeeMonics; every now and then he breaks down, we whack him upside the head, and he returns to "normal"...

:D

Originally posted by brt3
Just PeeMonics; every now and then he breaks down, we whack him upside the head, and he returns to "normal"...

:D

Pentonics be a better name:D

Originally posted by wojtek
Pentonics be a better name:D Much, much better!!

What's all this talk about a company called Brillian and it's 1080P " naturally black" LCos rptv? is it vaporware or is our beloved Qualias already in trouble (competition wise)?

Vapor.

Cheers

Originally posted by brt3
Just PeeMonics; every now and then he breaks down, we whack him upside the head, and he returns to "normal"...
:D
Yup,
Brt’s getting to know me too well.:D

Wilson, I’m just happy that you didn’t follow umr with a recommendation of some power thing that costs WAY, WAY over $3900.

Originally posted by wojtek
Pentonics be a better name:D
You know in another 200 pages or so - we will all have our own secret language and secret handshake (HDCP) which will REALLY make us a cult.:D

Originally posted by hifi59
What's all this talk about a company called Brillian.. is it vaporware?
http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050412/125918.html?.v=1

Originally posted by Penton-Man
You know in another 200 pages or so - we will all have our own secret language and secret handshake (HDCP) which will REALLY make us a cult.:D
JB needs to put a "codex" on the first page of the thread explaining:

Pentonics
Penton-Paper
Blue Ghosts
QRD

and any others I've forgotten...

I agree...especially with a discount code we have, but my wife had asked as she had this idea that if I kept a few cables "connected" could we just move a 6412?


Originally posted by BenDover
after all those posts extolling the virtues of power backup i would be shocked to learn that people don't have a crucial piece of equipment like their dvr connected to a backup power source :)

Thank you, brt3. I am going to call today and see if the phone reps can quote me a price that the web site shows! Geeze.

Also, the Sony HDD will be expensive if we need to get ComCast to supply one more CableCard for it. I can start to see why 1 tuner may turn out to be a bad option!


P.S. It would sure be nice if DNNA created a HD Replaytv!


Originally posted by brt3
Just the Program Guide is lost; scheduled events are not lost. I like my 6412, I just don't love it (like my ReplayTVs). For a first effort I guess it's not bad, but they should have spent a bit more time learning the Tivo/ReplayTV feature set...

Originally posted by JKUCSMA
I saw mine at Mentor TV,but they said Columbus has dealers also.

Ok, so either a 3 hour drive to Columbus or 1 hour drive to Ft. Wayne. ;) Thanks, though! :)

HE 2005 Quick Impressions

OK, first, let me apologize for not meeting up with fellow avsforum members; I wasn't sure I would be able to sneak out at all so I didn't want to make plans only to break them.

My two main reasons for heading over there were to see the dragonfly and mosquito (just out of curiousity for brt3...i'm not dropping any more dough, excuse me, penton paper) and also to see the Samsung 1080p set. Sony was not there and I didn't get a chance to run over to JVC although I saw them listed.

The Samsung 1080p (their 68 series). This was the set I was going to purchase, sight unseen, before falling in love with the Q. It certainly produces a great picture, far better than my current Samsung DLP RPTV and I would be happy to own one. That being said, while I couldn't do a side-by-side, I can undoubtedly say that the Q's picture was superior, the Samsung's purportedly high contrast ratio aside. Moving in to observe the screen from inches away I could definitely make out the pixel structure (diamond shaped) which I can not say is also true with the Q. I had a colleague that I convinced to run up there during our lunch hour with me, who also saw the Q with me in NYC, and he agreed, he was not as impressed with the Samsung as he was with the Q. We both expected more of the Samsung. Q wins for overall PQ, although the Samsung can accept PC inputs at 60Hz.

The mosquito and dragonfly. Superb scaling and noise reduction. If money is no object and you can't wait for the Hi Def DVD, this would certainly make you happy (although, if I think about it, it isn't just a matter of waiting for Hi Def DVD but also having to repurchase your entire collection as well as still having to deal with below Hi Def sources from TV).

There were two areas displaying algolith's hardware, one was a full up projection room and the other was merely running on a small LCD panel (that should be a punishable crime, imo). The smaller LCD panel showing was good in that you could get right up close to the screen and speak directly with algolith reps. One display was running just the mosquito, which did a fantastic job and the other was running the combo dragonfly and mosquito. On the combo, since the dragonfly has some built-in abilities similar to the mosquito, i asked the rep to show me the dragonfly not being processed by the mosquito, i.e., only the dragonfly's output. Yup, definitely a BIG difference; if you can afford the two (they are offering a package deal of $5K) get them both.

In the large projection room, I was astounded with how good the SD material looked after being processed by the combination of dragonfly and mosquito. while i was able to determine which was native HD material and which was the SD material processed by the algolith combo, the two were very close. The processed SD was discernible to me simply because it seemed "grainier" than the native HD and also because in one scene there were buildings in the background and you could see some jaggies.

Anyhow, all I have time for right now. Again, sorry for not meeting up with fellow avsforum members.

[EDIT: brt3 and others, you may find more detailed info here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5552230#post5552230); also, take note of the uncertainty as to whether it will support the Q upon first release]

Originally posted by BenDover
also, take note of the uncertainty as to whether it will support the Q upon first release]
Eileen says nice recon BenDover !
But you know I asked the Algo guys a couple months ago if this 5K monster would output 1080i, which I think is all us 006 owners care about and he said that it does.

the bland guy is wondering about the other resolution(1080p24) for his 004 which WILL accept that signal unlike our 006's which I believe will not.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Eileen says nice recon BenDover !
But you know I asked the Algo guys a couple months ago if this 5K monster would output 1080i, which I think is all us 006 owners care about and he said that it does.

the bland guy is wondering about the other resolution(1080p24) for his 004 which WILL accept that signal unlike our 006's which I believe will not.

ah yes, in my haste i just saw qualia and didn't even realize it was the same guy with the 004.

i here qualia and i automatically assume they can only mean the 006 :) maybe sycore and artwood are right about qualians :D

Which brings us back to that age old question that has been discussed here and on the “Sony jumps” thread ad nausea ……what do our beloved 006’s do with a 1080i signal to get us our 1080p image ????

Bob, weave or some Sony proprietary thing that they refuse to tell us about but makes the pic look better than simply the bob method ??? I’m beginning to suspect the proprietary route.

Sure is nice positive reinforcement that the 006 beats the Samsung 68 series though.
From a current Samsung owner...no less !
Oh, and I hear Sony is "there" just not presenting...I suspect snooping.

Originally posted by BenDover
(although, if I think about it, it isn't just a matter of waiting for Hi Def DVD but also having to repurchase your entire collection as well as still having to deal with below Hi Def sources from TV).

And I think that be the key point for brt and me.
(wojtek, the Royal Scribe tells me that BE called literary license......or Pentonics):D

Originally posted by BenDover
HE 2005 Quick Impressions... My two main reasons for heading over there were to see the dragonfly and mosquito (just out of curiousity for brt3) and also to see the Samsung 1080p set.

The mosquito and dragonfly. Superb scaling and noise reduction. If money is no object and you can't wait for the Hi Def DVD, this would certainly make you happy (although, if I think about it, it isn't just a matter of waiting for Hi Def DVD but also having to repurchase your entire collection as well as still having to deal with below Hi Def sources from TV).

[EDIT: brt3 and others, you may find more detailed info here (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5552230#post5552230); also, take note of the uncertainty as to whether it will support the Q upon first release]

BenDover -- you rock! This is great to hear. You hit the nail on the head -- the only reason anyone should invest this much is to protect their investment in existing DVDs. For me, the $5K Mosquito/Dragonfly combo is money well spent; for instance, a Denon DVD-5910 is $3K, only uses partial implementation of the HQV/Realta chipset, and won't accept other inputs. Did they show what this combo could do with cable or satellite feeds? This would also be a huge benefit. BTW, the "new" Digital Mosquito will ship with 4 HDMI inputs to allow it to function as a switcher to boot. Is this the unit they were showing?

Originally posted by brt3
Did they show what this combo could do with cable or satellite feeds?
C'mon BenDover...were waiting on needles and pins here. Get out the bauthroom and please do tell.

Originally posted by brt3
...

Did they show what this combo could do with cable or satellite feeds? This would also be a huge benefit. BTW, the "new" Digital Mosquito will ship with 4 HDMI inputs to allow it to function as a switcher to boot. Is this the unit they were showing?

Yes, they were showing a D* signal when they did the A/B comparison and asked the audience if they could tell which was which.

The mosquito they had there I believe was the digital version but to be honest I got there at the end of there presentation on the mosquito. The marketing materials I obtained show the digital version with the 4 hdmi.

Originally posted by BenDover
Yes, they were showing a D* signal when they did the A/B comparison and asked the audience if they could tell which was which.
And the audience said ??? You're killing us with the suspense, eh?
:)

Originally posted by brt3
JB needs to put a "codex" on the first page of the thread explaining:

Pentonics
Penton-Paper
Blue Ghosts
QRD

and any others I've forgotten...

brt3,
We don't want to forget the Elitist Penton Blue Tape we use to layout where the 006 will go.

Originally posted by brt3
And the audience said ??? You're killing us with the suspense, eh?
:)

I'm sorry, I thought I said it in my initial post but maybe I wasn't clear, the first comparison, it was about 60/40 where the majority could tell which was the
HD source (but again, they were very close). The second comparison, I think people were now clued into the differences delineating the SD source from the HD and therefore the entire audience save one older fellow chose the HD source correctly.

The real question we have re the Mosquito/Dragonfly is whether it's worth the 5k for (1) SD processing and (2) 1080i output. I wonder if the 006 will ever be upgraded to accept 1080p, and as stated above, we still don't know how exactly it deinterlaces 1080i to get to 1080p.

If the Mosquito would help with cable SD that would be worth something ... mine is almost unbearable on the Q.

Cheers

Originally posted by BenDover
after all those posts extolling the virtues of power backup i would be shocked to learn that people don't have a crucial piece of equipment like their dvr connected to a backup power source :)

Mini Dive says you can never have too much backup power . . .

Originally posted by Penton-Man
nhey-
Is your calibration still on for next week?
Inquiring minds would like to know.


Yes, it is. Next Wednesday morning. Will report results thereafter.

Originally posted by BenDover
Yes, they were showing a D* signal when they did the A/B comparison and asked the audience if they could tell which was which.

Again, good job.:)

Originally posted by divedude
Mini Dive says you can never have too much backup power . . .
LOL.........Now, that's what I'm talkin bout since it looks alot cheaper than all dem power links you guys posted awhile back that nearly caused me a stroke.

Originally posted by nhey
Yes, it is. Next Wednesday morning. Will report results thereafter.
Same guy (with the same company).....now with his new toy.....I assume...yes ?

Originally posted by Joel
If the Mosquito would help with cable SD that would be worth something
ALOT !
Since Voom is Doom.

Originally posted by Joel
The real question we have re the Mosquito/Dragonfly is whether it's worth the 5k for (1) SD processing and (2) 1080i output. I wonder if the 006 will ever be upgraded to accept 1080p, and as stated above, we still don't know how exactly it deinterlaces 1080i to get to 1080p.

If the Mosquito would help with cable SD that would be worth something ... mine is almost unbearable on the Q.

Cheers

Are we talking analog sd or digital? Digital sd going to the q's processor seems ok to me until everyone catches on and goes hd...hopefully.

Most TV I watch is in hd, including the yanks!

Re:
The Algolith.....another thing to consider is that if you haven't bought a 4x1 HDMI switcher yet and you need one, you can deduct that cost (what ? $350 for the Gefen and $450 for the Zektor,if they have one ?) right off the top of the cost for the 5K Algo combo.

Originally posted by BenDover
I'm sorry, I thought I said it in my initial post but maybe I wasn't clear, the first comparison, it was about 60/40 where the majority could tell which was theHD source (but again, they were very close). The second comparison, I think people were now clued into the differences delineating the SD source from the HD and therefore the entire audience save one older fellow chose the HD source correctly.
Got it -- and thanks again! I was thinking when you were describing SD you meant SD/DVD...

Even if there's no way to get the Q006 to accept 1080P this might make a huge difference for some of us. The Algolith combo should be leagues ahead of my old Faroudja DVP-2200, which makes SD Comcast & DirTV look far superior to the unprocessed equivalent. For those of us FORCED to watch certain programming that's only available in SD this could be our salvation. God be praised! (Sorry; just saw "Spamalot" and "Holy Grail" within the same week and am feeling suitably silly...)

JimP I stopped by HiFi Buys tonight to see precious and I was told you spent almost 2 hours calibrating the set. THANK YOU!! The set looked gorgeous!!

HE 2005 Thoughts

First stop - Samsung HLR 6768 1080P. Nicer HD picture than any others in the room. No surprise. The picture at times seemed a bit digitized though I chalk this up the the DLP technology. Coming out in June so they said for around $7,500. The 61" (and two other sizes)debuts at the same time for around $4500.
My conclusion (IMHO) - The smaller sets would make a good addition to my kid's playroom or even my bedroom given the price.

Next up - The new HP Pavilion MD6580n 1080P. Due out late summer. Did not want to offer up a price but my buddy got someone there to whisper around $7300. The picture was on par with the Samsung I felt. The one thing that impressed me was that it has a FRONT panel that lowers to reveal all of the inputs. Also a small light goes on when the cover is lowered. I thought this was a nice feature.
The sell sheet lists the contrast ratio at 8500:1 however the HD source material did not seem to display this - assuming it was ever measured correctly. The blacks looked pretty good but nothing to write home about.

I did see the Realta/Silcon... demo. Very impressive. I was able to pick out the HD material (70% in my group did not) however it was REAL close. I admit I am quite ignorant regarding scalers...

I have never seen the 006 and was sad it was not at the show so I convinced one of the three people I went with to go with me to the Sony Style store to take a look.

My 006 impression - I watched 4 or 5 trailers on the Blu-ray as well as many of the D*channels including HDNet, Discovery HD. Looked at a few SD channnels also. I realize that this was not a side by side comparison nor can we verify equal HD sources or calibration...

My friend and I agreed that the Samsung and HP 1080P sets were so completely trashed by the Q that I almost felt a little embarrased! The Q picture on regular HD was so MUCH smoother and more lifelike. Colors were more natural and the overall viewing experience was much, much better.

The Sony guy (I forgot his name but I have his card) said that a 1080P input will most likely "never" be added to the Q. Take this for whatever it's worth.

I asked him how the set scaled 1080i to 1080p. He gave a gentle smile and said that he would not be able to give a specific answer. He would have to give me a vague canned response which I never really got to hear.

Final thought: TO ME the Qualia 006 is EASILY worth spending $4,000-$8,000 MORE than the other 1080P sets. No BS here. Maybe this is because I want the "best."

From what my eyes saw today it was no contest. Now if my builder would complete my addition before September so I could get this thing!

Sorry for the long post.

Ron

The "other sizes" from Samsung are obviously selling for prices OTHER than the $4500 I mentioned about. Of course all this can change

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Which brings us back to that age old question that has been discussed here and on the “Sony jumps” thread ad nausea ……what do our beloved 006’s do with a 1080i signal to get us our 1080p image ????

Bob, weave or some Sony proprietary thing that they refuse to tell us about but makes the pic look better than simply the bob method ??? I’m beginning to suspect the proprietary route.
Originally posted by RonB63
I asked him how the set scaled 1080i to 1080p. He gave a gentle smile and said that he would not be able to give a specific answer. He would have to give me a vague canned response which I never really got to hear.

I've been doing some experimenting, and so far it's looking like it's not a bobbing method.

I've constructed a test pattern JPEG that's exactly 1920 x 1080 that features several zones of black and white 1-pixel stripes (both horizontal and vertical) and checkerboards. (Unfortunately, it's too large to attach.)

When viewing this via Memory Stick, the horizontal stripes do resolve fully. :)
The vertical stripes and the checkerboards look like flat gray areas. :(

Of course, this doesn't really prove anything until I feed it in via HDMI, which is why I hadn't posted anything about it yet. But since the subject came up, I thought I'd chime in to remind you that I'm still on the case. :cool:

--Dwayne

Originally posted by dpc123
JimP I stopped by HiFi Buys tonight to see precious and I was told you spent almost 2 hours calibrating the set. THANK YOU!! The set looked gorgeous!!


You're welcome. ;-)

I dare anyone to touch the settings and walk out with all their digets still intact.

So brt3, are you scheduled to be the first person in the U.S. with the Algolith products? Will you have the honor of an on-camera interview? :)

BTW, I did have time for one other thing; I wanted to go see Yamaha since I have their flagship receiver. While doing that, I sat in for the YSP1 demo and boy was I floored at what this thing can do. So was my colleague; the race is now on as to who will get one for their bedroom first.

I admit defeat right off the bat since I am a married guy and my chances of getting that thing in my bedroom are worse than my chances of actually winning an argument with my wife. But that is the perfect application for the YSP1; no fuss, no muss and very good sound quality in addition to fairly good reproduction of 5.1 sound.

UMMMM...I thought us Cult members do not allow anything but Procs! What is a receiver? Something the 9'ers wished they had? :D

OH, I may have won a small war. I think I am getting Comcast to let me have two 6412's for the price they show on their web site. So, I will have two DVR's and a CableCard.



Originally posted by BenDover
So brt3, are you scheduled to be the first person in the U.S. with the Algolith products? Will you have the honor of an on-camera interview? :)

BTW, I did have time for one other thing; I wanted to go see Yamaha since I have their flagship receiver. While doing that, I sat in for the YSP1 demo and boy was I floored at what this thing can do. So was my colleague; the race is now on as to who will get one for their bedroom first.

I admit defeat right off the bat since I am a married guy and my chances of getting that thing in my bedroom are worse than my chances of actually winning an argument with my wife. But that is the perfect application for the YSP1; no fuss, no muss and very good sound quality in addition to fairly good reproduction of 5.1 sound.

Originally posted by BenDover
So brt3, are you scheduled to be the first person in the U.S. with the Algolith products? Will you have the honor of an on-camera interview? :)
Absolutely, positively NO idea where I stand in the Algolith queue, but got in line about two months ago. Rather doubt they want MY ugly mug associated with their products, though...
:D

Originally posted by brt3
Rather doubt they want MY ugly mug associated with their products, though...
:D
Hey,
You can always have Elmo stand in as your double.:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hey -- You can always have Elmo stand in as your double.:D
I'm sure you can recognize the cruel irony of a Qualia owner whose dog does NOT watch television...
:eek:

Originally posted by brt3
I'm sure you can recognize the cruel irony of a Qualia owner whose dog does NOT watch television...
:eek:
Definitely,
No free study participant for your A/B video comparison tests.:)

Originally posted by BenDover
So brt3, are you scheduled to be the first person in the U.S. with the Algolith products? Will you have the honor of an on-camera interview? :)

BTW, I did have time for one other thing; I wanted to go see Yamaha since I have their flagship receiver. While doing that, I sat in for the YSP1 demo and boy was I floored at what this thing can do. So was my colleague; the race is now on as to who will get one for their bedroom first.

I admit defeat right off the bat since I am a married guy and my chances of getting that thing in my bedroom are worse than my chances of actually winning an argument with my wife. But that is the perfect application for the YSP1; no fuss, no muss and very good sound quality in addition to fairly good reproduction of 5.1 sound.

I've had one for about a month now in the bedroom and just love it. It's the perfect performance/WAF balance if you find an attractive enough sub to go along with it (I'm using the Athena Technologies S-2 in piano black... seemed to get the job done). Yammy sez the sub is optional but IMO if you don't have it you'll hate the thing. It really doesn't have any useful output below 120Hz and that's where I cross mine over using the Yamaha's internal x-over as opposed to the athena's.

Do yourself a favor though. When you finally DO get the thing, send the wife out for a girls night out or something. It's going to take you 3-4 hours to really dial the thing in, play with the beam horizontal/vertical angles and focal length to maximize it's performance. If you only use the easy setup, you're only getting 50% of what it can do. Congrats and I am looking forward to hearing how you like it!

kanebear,

For us non-audiophiles . . . I have a cross-over setting for my sub on the amp and on the sub, as well. Understanding every environment is different, can you recommend - generally - what I should have each set at?

TIA to anyone else who may want to chime in.

P.S. To keep it somewhat on topic, this is the system that serves the Q006 :D

If it is a 12" or more sub, and it is connected to a LFE output, the sub should have the xover at the highest setting. This will let the LFE data come thru and the Receiver can route the Bass. I believe DD/DTS is set to 80-90HZ as the crossover point.

Originally posted by jb007
kanebear,

For us non-audiophiles . . . I have a cross-over setting for my sub on the amp and on the sub, as well. Understanding every environment is different, can you recommend - generally - what I should have each set at?

TIA to anyone else who may want to chime in.

P.S. To keep it somewhat on topic, this is the system that serves the Q006 :D

Hello ALL:

Colortv posted a while back that he sees no improvement in his 6412's with HDMI/iLINK over good Component Cables. Since I will be getting two 6412's (I hope) should I just go for Component at the start and let it go at that? Partsexpress has a closeout buy on some good Component cables. I believe they are less than one sheet of PP.

TIA

You all probably know about it, but the new May 2005 issue of Widescreen Magazine has a very well written review of this Qualia 006. Needless to say, the reviewer was blown away, but there's a lot of details he goes into. Worth your time!

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ ...the new May 2005 issue of Widescreen Magazine has a very well written review of this Qualia 006.[/B]
Also available HERE... (http://homepage.mac.com/raythompson/SonyQualia006/FileSharing12.html)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Same guy (with the same company).....now with his new toy.....I assume...yes ?


Yes.

Has anyone here ever had Eliab calibrate any set? I think he does a great job. He told me he is really looking forward to "digging" into the 006.


He now is using the Photo Research PR-650 SpectraColorimeter.

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello ALL:

Colortv posted a while back that he sees no improvement in his 6412's with HDMI/iLINK over good Component Cables. Since I will be getting two 6412's (I hope) should I just go for Component at the start and let it go at that? Partsexpress has a closeout buy on some good Component cables. I believe they are less than one sheet of PP.

TIA

I actually think I see a slight improvement with the iLink over HDMI or component with the 6412 but I doubt I'd be able to tell if it was a double-blind test.