Thank you very much. In that case I believe I will use Component. The whole DVI>>HDMI thing is bad too. I hate adapters as I believe in "pin/connection" reduction. I do not want to get a DVI>>HDMI cable.

Originally posted by nhey
I actually think I see a slight improvement with the iLink over HDMI or component with the 6412 but I doubt I'd be able to tell if it was a double-blind test.

Originally posted by mpsan
Hello ALL:

Colortv posted a while back that he sees no improvement in his 6412's with HDMI/iLINK over good Component Cables. TIA
I don't know if that is exactly correct and I'm too lazy to go back and check.I thought that color couldn't perceive any difference between HDMI and component with that set top box......and really didn't investigate i.LINK that much ???????

Originally posted by nhey
I actually think I see a slight improvement with the iLink over HDMI or component with the 6412 but I doubt I'd be able to tell if it was a double-blind test.
nhey,
I have a paper pending for publication a few pages back that I posted my findings with a Moto 6200 (granted it's a different beast from the 6412 ) and compared i.LINK vs DVI/HDMI with zee Royal Queen and zee Royal Pouch as study participants in a double blind study and we could EASILY see the superiority of i.LINK vs HDMI with the selected 1080i material.

Granted it's not "knock your socks off" but if you toggle between the settings, I think most people will appreciate the difference if they use the Moto 6200 box.

This was also confirmed last night when we all watched Spidy on Fox(at 720p), EASILY noticable to be less grainy with i.LINK compared to DVI/HDMI by all three study participants.

Well I’m a cable guy.

CAAAAAAAAABLE Guy !

But F.Y.I. to all those Dish people with 006’s ….it looks like you just picked up 10 new HD channels !!!
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=703340

brt,
I just visited the Dragonfly thread, and it looks like some things will never change.
Sure wish some of that stuff was posted here for Qualia 006 owners that don't know about that thread's existence.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well I’m a cable guy.

CAAAAAAAAABLE Guy !

But F.Y.I. to all those Dish people with 006’s ….it looks like you just picked up 10 new HD channels !!!
http://www.corporate-ir.net/ireye/ir_site.zhtml?ticker=dish&script=410&layout=-6&item_id=703340



Penton-Man,

....and I just lost 30 HD channels. Know what its called-- a former Voom subscriber. Voom shuts down operations at 3 tomorrow morning. Think I'll stay up tonight and have a Voom-a-thon.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
You all probably know about it, but the new May 2005 issue of Widescreen Magazine has a very well written review of this Qualia 006. Needless to say, the reviewer was blown away, but there's a lot of details he goes into. Worth your time!
Yep Q,
Alot of us regulars know about it..... and actually have commented about the author's findings a few pages back.
You may want to do a search under Widescreen or WSR to see how everybody responded to the article.
I personally felt it was the most comprehensive of all 3 reviews that have come out in the last few weeks from the mags.

Thanks for the heads-up though for all potential Qualians that are joining this thread in mid-stream. It's worth a reiteration.

Originally posted by JimP
Penton-Man,

....and I just lost 30 HD channels. Know what its called-- a former Voom subscriber. Voom shuts down operations at 3 tomorrow morning. Think I'll stay up tonight and have a Voom-a-thon.

It's really a damned shame.

Originally posted by JimP
Penton-Man,
Know what its called-- a former Voom subscriber.
Sorry, but LOL here with that statement.
It would have been a perfect by-line for that article that I posted in the link.

It looks like the vultures are circling to pick the VOOM carcass clean.

well the spirit of voom will live on:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050429/295229.html?.v=1

good news because it looks like any sat or cable company can pick them up. wouldn't be surprise if Direct will pick them up also.

PM, I did a search on this forum for 6412 and that is how I found it.



Originally posted by Penton-Man
I don't know if that is exactly correct and I'm too lazy to go back and check.I thought that color couldn't perceive any difference between HDMI and component with that set top box......and really didn't investigate i.LINK that much ???????

Originally posted by mpsan
PM, I did a search on this forum for 6412 and that is how I found it.
Wellp then, I stand corrected in regards to his findings.

...not sure if we should have the 6412 at 480i as well. Is this like the 975 discussion all over again?

:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Wellp then, I stand corrected in regards to his findings.

Originally posted by mpsan
...not sure if we should have the 6412 at 480i as well. Is this like the 975 discussion all over again?
:D
I'm not familiar with that box (only the 6200) so I'll have to defer to those owners.
My 6200 allows for native passthrough and doesn't give me the headache of screwed up aspect ratios that my Moxi Adelphia box does.....without that feature.

Yup...I was also surprised to see we have to play to get the bars out of DVD's. I just thought that was a 4:3 thing!


Originally posted by Penton-Man
I'm not familiar with that box (only the 6200) so I'll have to defer to those owners.
My 6200 allows for native passthrough and doesn't give me the headache of screwed up aspect ratios that my Moxi Adelphia box does.....without that feature.

Originally posted by slocko
well the spirit of voom will live on:

http://biz.yahoo.com/bw/050429/295229.html?.v=1

good news because it looks like any sat or cable company can pick them up. wouldn't be surprise if Direct will pick them up also.


slocko,
Mini Dive is really hoping Direct will pick up on Playboy Hot HD :D If that happens, I guess I will have to throw a bucket of cold water on him :(

anyone have knowledge of the faroudja dv5000 scaler? scales everything to 1080p. i have an opportunity to get one for less than half price brand new from a national store. or if someone wants it, i will be the connection. is this thing all that?

Originally posted by jb007
kanebear,

For us non-audiophiles . . . I have a cross-over setting for my sub on the amp and on the sub, as well. Understanding every environment is different, can you recommend - generally - what I should have each set at?

TIA to anyone else who may want to chime in.

P.S. To keep it somewhat on topic, this is the system that serves the Q006 :D

It completely depends on the speakers and sub in question... and how you're using them. It also depends on the bass management capabilities of your receiver. It can get TERRIBLY complex. I'm also not an expert. :)

In general, I prefer using the crossover in the amp and running the sub wide open with the sub connected to the LFE output. My mains are fairly large (Avalon Radian HC) so I set the crossover on the processor at 60Hz and run the sub crossover at 250Hz (maximum).

I can think of a few situations where I'd want to use the subs crossover but they would all involve a receiver/processor that didn't do bass management the way I wanted and small sized speakers as the LCRSS complement.

I apologize in advance for what I know this will cause, but check this out:

Q006 vs. TI's 1080p (http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/042905hesw/)

I couldn't get into the TI area as it was private...obviously for professionals, etc.

Originally posted by BenDover
I apologize in advance for what I know this will cause, but check this out:

Q006 vs. TI's 1080p (http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/042905hesw/)

I couldn't get into the TI area as it was private...obviously for professionals, etc.

Gotta love those "comparisons". I would not be surprised if Sony went ballistic over this. I am wondering if they showed off any material that showcased the DLP rainbows.

My guess thay found one characteristic (aliasing) in which the DLP was better and just pounded on it.

Originally posted by wojtek
Gotta love those "comparisons". I would not be surprised if Sony went ballistic over this. I am wondering if they showed off any material that showcased the DLP rainbows.

My guess thay found one characteristic (aliasing) in which the DLP was better and just pounded on it.

Yes, that or they just manipulated it in a way that caused such aliasing. In any event, as the article cautions, this was in TI's private room; therefore, take it with a grain of salt...but, nonetheless, interesting.


oh and btw, damn you brt3, you now have me soaking up as much info as I can on the Realta/HQV products/implementations...;)

Originally posted by BenDover
I apologize in advance for what I know this will cause, but check this out:

Q006 vs. TI's 1080p (http://www.guidetohometheater.com/news/042905hesw/)

I couldn't get into the TI area as it was private...obviously for professionals, etc.

FWIW - I saw the 67" Samsung on Friday at the show and then went over to the Sony store to see the Q. No comparison. The Q dominated.
IF the Sammy is better in one way I am sure we all would agree the the overall picture is what is most important. I would guess that the Q does 10 other things better.

My $.02

Originally posted by wojtek
Gotta love those "comparisons". I would not be surprised if Sony went ballistic over this. I am wondering if they showed off any material that showcased the DLP rainbows.

My guess thay found one characteristic (aliasing) in which the DLP was better and just pounded on it.
Interesting tidbit and who knows….maybe in a couple of years when I’m in the market for a new TV, I may be a Samsung or JVC owner.

But isn’t that sort of like reading about a study to prove the non-addicting qualities of cigarettes funded entirely by the tobacco industry?

We need shootouts from non-biased sources in order to hold any sense of credibility.

Originally posted by BenDover

oh and btw, damn you brt3, you now have me soaking up as much info as I can on the Realta/HQV products/implementations...;)
See what you did brt ?:D

For what it is worth, while at the HET on Thurs and Fri, I spent about 10 minutes viewing the new 1080p sets from HP and Samsung. To me they were dreadful. Noise, not sharp, basically to me not as good as Samsung's 720p sets which I do not like much either. The 006 (if you can afford it) is still the way to go, much better PQ at least based on the HET show HP and Samsung displays. I think maybe RCA had some 1080p sets also. I really don't remember but what i saw there was nothing great either.

I did pickup some Algolith Mosquitoes. These can be used with the 006 and I will experiment on using them feeding 480i DVDs in as well as 480i and 1080i HD sources. Iplan on using one in my FPJ CRT home theater to improve SD off my sat tv.

Originally posted by mark haflich

I did pickup some Algolith Mosquitoes. These can be used with the 006 and I will experiment on using them feeding 480i DVDs in as well as 480i and 1080i HD sources.
:)

Hey guys, mark rubin (an AVS moderator) is getting one of the Sony Hi-Def recorders when they come out…..

“I have the new Sony DHG-HDD500 PVR on order which accepts a card: Sony says they will ship on May 21”

keep a look out for a thread he may start (unless someone beats him to it) if you’re potentially interested in getting this puppy.

Originally posted by wojtek
Gotta love those "comparisons". I would not be surprised if Sony went ballistic over this. I am wondering if they showed off any material that showcased the DLP rainbows.

My guess thay found one characteristic (aliasing) in which the DLP was better and just pounded on it.

I think most people know, when they go into a "comparsion" like that, to expect the obvious one sided results when a company that has MAJOR invested interest in one side vs. the other is doing the "hosting."

I wouldn't worry about it too much. ;)

Perhaps I misunderstand, but the "aliasing" on the circular pattern being shown in the comparison between the TI 1080p Wobulation chip and the Q006 at the HES TI booth could be a consequence of the "ringing" or "overprocessing" reported on by UMR in his review of he Q006 for all inputs except i-link. If this is so, one can only hope that Sony will respond to the adverse comparison by giving us a means to turn it off in our sets. P-M: is this an additional point you can make in your quest to get the SM codes?

Originally posted by Ted99
P-M: is this an additional point you can make in your quest to get the SM codes?
That sounds kinda good as another excuse to get these buggers to be more forthcoming.
I shall try.

Originally posted by Ted99
Perhaps I misunderstand, but the "aliasing" on the circular pattern could be a consequence of the "ringing" or "overprocessing" reported on by UMR in his review
The other thing that I find annoying about this test pattern (other than almost being hypnotized by looking at it) is that if this were a significant problem with real world viewing of HD source material…. then wouldn’t umr have had to turn the sharpness on your set WAY down?

If I recall correctly, you ended up with sharpness at 23.

Originally posted by BenDover
oh and btw, damn you brt3, you now have me soaking up as much info as I can on the Realta/HQV products/implementations...;)
Guilty as charged! Guess we're all afflicted by the same bloody illness...

:D

One interesting thing about that "Ultimate AV" article (which made me weep, as I spend hours each day viewing nothing but zone plates) was this:

"The Silicon Optix demo had no sound, because the voltage from one of the wall outlets inexplicably jumped to over 193V, frying the audio equipment being powered from that outlet."

Guess even the Big Boys need their AC line protection...

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The other thing that I find annoying about this test pattern is that if this were a significant problem with real world viewing of HD source material…. then wouldn’t umr have had to turn the sharpness on your set WAY down? If I recall correctly, you ended up with sharpness at 23.
This is one reason I ended up with my perverse sharpness setting of ZERO. But then, I can't remember which test patterns I saw problems with at higher sharpness settings, only that there were some things I didn't like. I mentioned that in discussing my review on the thread, along with the caveat that it probably didn't matter much on RWM (real-world material). I think we're all good, unless CSI or 24 somehow incorporate zone plates as an integral part of their shows. Those networks will do ANYTHING to increase ratings...

:D

Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week... the five pieces of built-in furniture, repainting, walling over two windows behind the 006, new awning on the outside deck to reduce glare, etc etc. The unit fits into the corner like a glove... and contains an 006, Yamaha YSP-1, REL sub, Sony 975 dvd, JVC30k dvhs, comcast 6412 (in addition to the built-in CC), and the all-important idealume bias light with handy-dandy remote control (waiting on the 880). Everything's neat and tidy with a fabulous WAF. Netflix has been delivery a steady supply of heroi.. er, I mean films. What more can I say? Perhaps that I've purchased my share of items in my day, electronics, cars, cameras, etc... and I'm more satisfied with the 006 than I've been with any other purchase. I haven't found a nit to pick yet. (Well, maybe that my guitar practice time has taken a very severe hit.)

So... I'm very grateful to you all for helping me out with all of my questions, and for turning me onto such great toys as the JVC (I have about 20 of those IMAX nature films on tape now, and my 4yrold is nuts for those).

I just need to get a little more exercise.

Enjoy!

Originally posted by 3deye
Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week...

3deye,
Looks mighty cozy . . .

Thanks to David Bott, the AVSers who attended the show yesterday were invited to the Qualia 006 and T1 demo. I must say that the Samsung really held its own with the Qualian on the HD demo material. While is was a brief demo with material selected by TI, I would have expected to see a much later difference in PQ considering the difference in price. The Samsung is half the price. Both a large and bright. It was impossible to check out the black levels on either as the HD they showed was very bright and would mask poor black levels. While the ringing on the test pattern on the Qualia was hard to miss, I thought that the Samsung had poor color uniformity across the screen with other tests patterns with mostly gray screens. While it may have been less than a fair test, if I had to pick between the two, I would take the Samsung given the price differential. However, I am a plasma man and will stick with my 50 Panny.

Originally posted by 3deye
Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week... the five pieces of built-in furniture, repainting, walling over two windows behind the 006, new awning on the outside deck to reduce glare, etc etc. The unit fits into the corner like a glove... and contains an 006, Yamaha YSP-1, REL sub, Sony 975 dvd, JVC30k dvhs, comcast 6412 (in addition to the built-in CC), and the all-important idealume bias light with handy-dandy remote control (waiting on the 880). Everything's neat and tidy with a fabulous WAF. Netflix has been delivery a steady supply of heroi.. er, I mean films. What more can I say? Perhaps that I've purchased my share of items in my day, electronics, cars, cameras, etc... and I'm more satisfied with the 006 than I've been with any other purchase. I haven't found a nit to pick yet. (Well, maybe that my guitar practice time has taken a very severe hit.)

So... I'm very grateful to you all for helping me out with all of my questions, and for turning me onto such great toys as the JVC (I have about 20 of those IMAX nature films on tape now, and my 4yrold is nuts for those).

I just need to get a little more exercise.

Enjoy!

All I can say is, if you have a Q006 in your bedroom nestled into a corner, I wonder what you have as your big toys?

Is the Japanese version of the Qualia 006 is superior to the North American version? Rather than having inputs on the back of the set, the Japanese version comes with a "Media Receiver Unit" which houses all inputs and outputs. This unit most likely connects to the set via separate video and audio cables, similar to the Qualia 005 or Sony's XBR (in North America) flat-panel sets. Is the connection proprietary?*

The "Media Receiver Unit" includes apparent "improvements" compared to the North American version, such as: analog PC input, USB port and 10/100 Ethernet port. Why?

*I wonder if it's possible to feed a 1080p source directly to the set, bypassing all processing, to display an imagine? I know it's possible on Sharp's 45" GX series LCD, how about Sony's sets?

Link: See "MediaReceiveUnit" profile for link to Japanese Qualia 006 specs.

Originally posted by MediaReceiveUnit
Is the Japanese version of the Qualia 006 is superior to the North American version? Rather than having inputs on the back of the set, the Japanese version comes with a "Media Receiver Unit" which houses all inputs and outputs. This unit most likely connects to the set via separate video and audio cables, similar to the Qualia 005 or Sony's XBR (in North America) flat-panel sets. Is the connection proprietary?*

The "Media Receiver Unit" includes apparent "improvements" compared to the North American version, such as: analog PC input, USB port and 10/100 Ethernet port. Why?

*I wonder if it's possible to feed a 1080p source directly to the set, bypassing all processing, to display an imagine? I know it's possible on Sharp's 45" GX series LCD, how about Sony's sets?

Link: See "MediaReceiveUnit" profile for link to Japanese Qualia 006 specs.

And I thought the English specs were confusing :D

Well, we watched another DVD last night on the Q. Remember I mentioned a small amount of noise?

I saw it again, but can be recreated at will. IF any of you with the 975 DVD player can try this, I sure would like to know if you see the same. I am connected via HDMI @480i.


Before we put the DVD in the 975, we had the Q on and the input switched to the DVD. When we turned the 975 on, the Normel mostly Blue Sony screen from the 975 came up. A lot of areas of blue seemed to have noise in them, like a sd signal that just is not strong enough.

My Sharpness is at 0.

As I said, it is not very noticeable with the movie, but should I be seeing this at all?

TIA


Originally posted by brt3
This is one reason I ended up with my perverse sharpness setting of ZERO. But then, I can't remember which test patterns I saw problems with at higher sharpness settings, only that there were some things I didn't like. I mentioned that in discussing my review on the thread, along with the caveat that it probably didn't matter much on RWM (real-world material). I think we're all good, unless CSI or 24 somehow incorporate zone plates as an integral part of their shows. Those networks will do ANYTHING to increase ratings...

:D

Originally posted by JWhip
While it may have been less than a fair test, if I had to pick between the two, I would take the Samsung given the price differential. However, I am a plasma man and will stick with my 50 Panny.
Hey,
I think you almost gave Artwood some potential Qualia bashing material until you added the last sentence of your post.:D

Thanks.

Originally posted by 3deye
Greetings Qualioids...

My installation was finished last week... the five pieces of built-in furniture, repainting, walling over two windows behind the 006, new awning on the outside deck to reduce glare, etc etc. The unit fits into the corner like a glove...

That worked out VERY nicely!
Thanks for the pic.

Mpsan, please be more specific. I use the 975 the same way; I see no noise that I can identify. How do you "recreate" it, through the power on process? When you do create it, how do you get rid of it? I also have my sharpness on 0, by the way.

Cheers

Originally posted by MediaReceiveUnit
Is the Japanese version of the Qualia 006 is superior to the North American version? Rather than having inputs on the back of the set, the Japanese version comes with a "Media Receiver Unit" which houses all inputs and outputs. This unit most likely connects to the set via separate video and audio cables, similar to the Qualia 005 or Sony's XBR (in North America) flat-panel sets. Is the connection proprietary?*

The "Media Receiver Unit" includes apparent "improvements" compared to the North American version, such as: analog PC input, USB port and 10/100 Ethernet port. Why?

Jp2-
The next time you go to Japan, your mission is, should you decide to accept it, is to check out the above for us Qualians and report back with your findings.

This post will disintegrate after your next Asian overseas trip.
If you are caught taking pics of the Japanese version or recording conversations as to its features, jb007 will of course disavow any knowledge of your…….

Did I get that about right?

Originally posted by MediaReceiveUnit
the Japanese version comes with a "Media Receiver Unit" which houses all inputs and outputs.
Link: See "MediaReceiveUnit" profile for link to Japanese Qualia 006 specs.
Hey,
Welcome to the forum. Not bad for your first post. My question is though, the next time you come up with something good like this are you going to change your user name accordingly?:)

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, we watched another DVD last night on the Q. Remember I mentioned a small amount of noise?

I saw it again, but can be recreated at will. IF any of you with the 975 DVD player can try this, I sure would like to know if you see the same. I am connected via HDMI @480i.


Before we put the DVD in the 975, we had the Q on and the input switched to the DVD. When we turned the 975 on, the Normel mostly Blue Sony screen from the 975 came up. A lot of areas of blue seemed to have noise in them, like a sd signal that just is not strong enough.

My Sharpness is at 0.

As I said, it is not very noticeable with the movie, but should I be seeing this at all?

TIA

mpsan,
I tried your experiment and I use hdmi. I am not seeing noise at either the 480i or 1080i settings. I did see a cool red flash as the electronics of the 975 fired up. And not to restart the discussion from last weekend, I think the still picture of the blue water with the rings in it looked a little better at 1080i :D

I wouldn't bash Qualia because it minutely sucks--that would really be small of a sensitive poster such as me. Qualian parasites should always be repectful and gracious to their hosts--there aren't many of them left that still can see what I post!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Hey,
I think you almost gave Artwood some potential Qualia bashing material until you added the last sentence of your post.:D

Thanks.

PM,
Down here in Texas some people say don't stir up a Fire Ant mound. But I kind of enjoy messing with the little buggers . . .

Originally posted by Artwood
there aren't many of them left that still can see what I post!
It's called the Qualia Owner Filter (Q.O.F.):D
jb, please add that to the codex that brt suggested.

Hello Joel.

I just turn the Q on. Set the input to DVD. Then power on the 975. Without a DVD in the 975 you get that full screen Sony Background. It is blue and white, mostly. There seems to be noise...especially in the light blue Sony screen (from the DVD player).

This is not a warmup issue as I looked again when the movie was done. I ejected the DVD and the Sony Background came on again. It still had the noise. This is not bad, but is something that I can see.



Originally posted by Joel
Mpsan, please be more specific. I use the 975 the same way; I see no noise that I can identify. How do you "recreate" it, through the power on process? When you do create it, how do you get rid of it? I also have my sharpness on 0, by the way.

Cheers

Originally posted by divedude
PM,
Down here in Texas some people say don't stir up a Fire Ant mound. But I kind of enjoy messing with the little buggers . . .
I know.
I think it keeps us sharp.

Plus Artwood is an equal opportunity basher....he goes from thread to thread asking loaded questions, so I don't take it personally anymore.

And Artwood, I STILL like to shop at Wal*Mart!:D

Well, I thought the Sharpness of 0 would give the best pic., so I left it there. I do not believe this is a "Last Weeks Discussion" as I do not believe it has anything to do with 480i vs anything. I have NOT done any AVIA setup yet, but have just set the Q to what others have said. I know this is wrong, but I decided to wait 'til my stand comes in about 2 weeks! I just felt that this noise should not be there at all. Remember, I also saw this same thing in American Idol a few weeks ago, so it is not just a DVD thing.


Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
I tried your experiment and I use hdmi. I am not seeing noise at either the 480i or 1080i settings. I did see a cool red flash as the electronics of the 975 fired up. And not to restart the discussion from last weekend, I think the still picture of the blue water with the rings in it looked a little better at 1080i :D

When I was in the fifth grade I thought taking about codexes was funny!

There is one thing that could turn me into a Qualian and that is fleshtones. If there are any Qualians out there who have viewed any mature films out there with content something like the Super Bowl before last would they please comment. What's that...my 5th grade nephew says I can't spell?

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, I thought the Sharpness of 0 would give the best pic., so I left it there. I do not believe this is a "Last Weeks Discussion" as I do not believe it has anything to do with 480i vs anything. I have NOT done any AVIA setup yet, but have just set the Q to what others have said. I know this is wrong, but I decided to wait 'til my stand comes in about 2 weeks! I just felt that this noise should not be there at all. Remember, I also saw this same thing in American Idol a few weeks ago, so it is not just a DVD thing.

Have you checked your HDMI cable/connection? How long is your HDMI cable? Is it running across any current carrying lines that could cause interference?

If others can't recreate it, short of blaming either your specific player or Q, I would think it has something to do with the HDMI cable ... OR ...

not to bring up the dreaded power conditioning topic, it could be that :)

Originally posted by Artwood
When I was in the fifth grade I thought taking about codexes was funny!

There is one thing that could turn me into a Qualian and that is fleshtones. If there are any Qualians out there who have viewed any mature films out there with content something like the Super Bowl before last would they please comment.
Well now you’re just being a party pooper.:)
It has been reported here that us Qualians may introduce a secret handshake by page 400 or so.

Fleshtones are absolutely superb!
I have switched back (for inquiring minds) to a Color Space of “Normal” as recommended by umr and brt from the “Wide” setting, except for an occasional DVD – despite the review in WSR.

Caveat – I AM guilty of switching to a Color Space of “Wide” and maxing out the Color setting in the user men when viewing the face of Michael J. (you know, the idiot brother) for clips of his entrances and exits from court.

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, I thought the Sharpness of 0 would give the best pic., so I left it there. I do not believe this is a "Last Weeks Discussion" as I do not believe it has anything to do with 480i vs anything. I have NOT done any AVIA setup yet, but have just set the Q to what others have said. I know this is wrong, but I decided to wait 'til my stand comes in about 2 weeks! I just felt that this noise should not be there at all. Remember, I also saw this same thing in American Idol a few weeks ago, so it is not just a DVD thing.

On both my HDMI sources (HR10-250 and 975), I must put the "Noise Reduction" up to high, otherwise I can make out the small dots/grains... I am using good cables, and have power conditioning. I will have to try using the component cables.

Question: What is the best connection for video that can be used on this TV?


I know nothing about iLink, but could that be used to view Tivo or DVD if they have that connection? Would it be a better connection than HDMI is supposed to be?

Well, it is going thru a power conditioner, but I am using a long HDMI...'til my Stand comes. Then I will get down to fixing this. I hope that there is nothing more to it than that, but it also is present on Live TV...AI in HD.


Originally posted by BenDover
Have you checked your HDMI cable/connection? How long is your HDMI cable? Is it running across any current carrying lines that could cause interference?

If others can't recreate it, short of blaming either your specific player or Q, I would think it has something to do with the HDMI cable ... OR ...

not to bring up the dreaded power conditioning topic, it could be that :)

I can move off of 0 and see what happens.

Thanks...

Where in CT are you? My wife and I are from E. Hartford and Hartford!
:D

Originally posted by pawrampe
On both my HDMI sources (HR10-250 and 975), I must put the "Noise Reduction" up to high, otherwise I can make out the small dots/grains... I am using good cables, and have power conditioning. I will have to try using the component cables.

3deye - nice install. Very clean.

Originally posted by mpsan
Well, we watched another DVD last night on the Q. Remember I mentioned a small amount of noise?

I saw it again, but can be recreated at will. IF any of you with the 975 DVD player can try this, I sure would like to know if you see the same. I am connected via HDMI @480i.


Before we put the DVD in the 975, we had the Q on and the input switched to the DVD. When we turned the 975 on, the Normel mostly Blue Sony screen from the 975 came up. A lot of areas of blue seemed to have noise in them, like a sd signal that just is not strong enough.

My Sharpness is at 0.

As I said, it is not very noticeable with the movie, but should I be seeing this at all?

TIA

NO!!!!!!!! I have a 975 HDMI Out into Video 7. DEAD CLEAN! No noise perceptible.
I watched the IMAX version of Apollo 13 this morning. The house shook, and the picture rocked.

PS. I saw the Dragonfly, and the Mosquito at the NY Show. Spoke with Mike VP and Co-Owner of Algolith. Their Dragonfly connected to the LCD Display panel showing the HighBit Version of 5th Element. SUCKED! This was a poor demo. Bad screen, bad lighting, black levels off, etc.

HOWEVER... Read on.

I, being a member of the news media was invited to the Faroduja vs. Algolith Demo in the Silicon Optix room. I'll have more about that if you guys want to here about it. Please let me know.
Faroduja pulled out of the show. If I'm gonna write a long dissertation, I want to know that people are at least gonna read it.

Editor

Originally posted by editor58
I was invited to the Faroduja vs. Algolith Demo in the Silicon Optix room. I'll have more about that if you guys want to here about it. Please let me know. Faroduja pulled out of the show. If I'm gonna write a long dissertation, I want to know that people are at least gonna read it.
YES -- please! If it's too much for this thread you could post it here, on the Dragonfly/HE2005 thread (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?s=&postid=5562293#post5562293) and give us all a heads up. I am very interested in buying the Insect Combo, and would love to hear your observations...

Originally posted by editor58
NO!!!!!!!! I have a 975 HDMI Out into Video 7. DEAD CLEAN! No noise perceptible.
I watched the IMAX version of Apollo 13 this morning. The house shook, and the picture rocked.

PS. I saw the Dragonfly, and the Mosquito at the NY Show. Spoke with Mike VP and Co-Owner of Algolith. Their Dragonfly connected to the LCD Display panel showing the HighBit Version of 5th Element. SUCKED! This was a poor demo. Bad screen, bad lighting, black levels off, etc.

HOWEVER... Read on.

I, being a member of the news media was invited to the Faroduja vs. Algolith Demo in the Silicon Optix room. I'll have more about that if you guys want to here about it. Please let me know.
Faroduja pulled out of the show. If I'm gonna write a long dissertation, I want to know that people are at least gonna read it.

Editor


Please, proceed to dissert :)

I really want one of these things, but I cant afford it, well I can afford it but I cant force myself to get it yet, maybe I need to see one in person and that will make me want it more or less. Reading all these post in the 006 owners thread with NO PROBLEMS being reported makes me want it more!!

Great Editor. I will try again. As I said, my long HDMI is only for 2 weeks more!

Originally posted by editor58
NO!!!!!!!! I have a 975 HDMI Out into Video 7. DEAD CLEAN! No noise perceptible.
I watched the IMAX version of Apollo 13 this morning. The house shook, and the picture rocked.

PS. I saw the Dragonfly, and the Mosquito at the NY Show. Spoke with Mike VP and Co-Owner of Algolith. Their Dragonfly connected to the LCD Display panel showing the HighBit Version of 5th Element. SUCKED! This was a poor demo. Bad screen, bad lighting, black levels off, etc.

HOWEVER... Read on.

I, being a member of the news media was invited to the Faroduja vs. Algolith Demo in the Silicon Optix room. I'll have more about that if you guys want to here about it. Please let me know.
Faroduja pulled out of the show. If I'm gonna write a long dissertation, I want to know that people are at least gonna read it.

Editor

Originally posted by mpsan
Great Editor. I will try again. As I said, my long HDMI is only for 2 weeks more!

I can't believe I'm asking this again, but how long is it...the cable!

I haven't been keeping up with this thread lately, so apologies if this has already been discussed.

I recently hooked up my PC to my 006 with a DVI-HDMI cable, using an Nvidia 6600. Some interesting things I noted:

At 1920x1080i, the sharpness and overall picture quality were incredible. I'm not sure whether HD broadcasts are limited by video compression or video camera/film resolution, but the 006 is capable of incredible sharpness, which is untapped by my HD TimeWarner cable box.

The deinterlace settings are totally active in HDMI 1080i. I can switch between them and see the difference. DRC1 is noticeably blurrier than DRC2 and Cinemotion.

1920x1080 overscans the TV. This is undesirable when using Windows for stuff besides movies. I used the advanced settings in the Nvidia drivers to set it to TV centering (not stretching) and lowered the resolution a bit to eliminate the overscan.

When using TV stretching, 1920x1080i and 1280x720p gave the best results. Other resolutions were a bit garbled. There is a tremendous difference in resolution between 1920x1080 and 1280x720. I didn't realize how dramatic the difference was before feeding the 006 a sharp signal from the PC.

When you drag windows around quickly at 1080i, interlacing is slightly noticeable (but not at 720p). I presume that Cinemotion would eliminate this for movies, but I didn't try that.

Using Cinemotion, HDMI, and low compression, I'm optimistic that the 006 will really spread its wings when the HD DVD formats come out. I don't see why a set that accepts 1080p would display anything different than the 006's deinterlaced 1080i for watching movies.

Why do people still insist on posting things that are not Qualia 006? That's what the other threads and sections are for.

Originally posted by BenDover
I can't believe I'm asking this again, but how long is it...the cable!

My cable is a 6'. I have NO problems whatsoever.

Editor

Originally posted by editor58
My cable is a 6'. I have NO problems whatsoever.

Editor

Using HDMI?

What tv reciever are you using? (cable, SAT)
What are your menu settings in the Qualia?
What is your noise reduction setting at?

Originally posted by pawrampe
Using HDMI?

What tv receiver are you using? (cable, SAT)
What are your menu settings in the Qualia?
What is your noise reduction setting at?

OK:

All Video is Direct - No A/V switching
SA Cable Box- HDMI into Video 6
Sony 975 DVD- HDMI into Video 7
Cable Card - SA - Into the CC Slot
X-BOX - HDTV Cable - into Component Video 5

Can't get you the Menu now... however,

NO NOISE reduction!!! No Detail Enhancement.
Black Pro ON
Black Correction - LOW
Gamma -0
White correction ON
Color Temp Normal - I don't like the additional Redish tone of WARM
All the other **** OFF! LESS is MORE.

On the 975 - NO DVD Enhancement.
An with regard to DVD, if the transfer sux, so will the picture.

Get the IMAX version of Apollo 13 as a benchmark DVD. Among the best
transfers I've seen. Even my NON highBit version of the Fifth Element
is outstanding. Spiderman 2 is also very good to use as a system test.

Editor

Originally posted by editor58

I, being a member of the news media was invited to the Faroduja vs. Algolith Demo in the Silicon Optix room. I'll have more about that if you guys want to here about it. Please let me know.
Faroduja pulled out of the show. If I'm gonna write a long dissertation, I want to know that people are at least gonna read it.

Editor

DO IT!!!

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
DO IT!!!
Agreed.
C'mon editor, stop teasing us.

As an aside, I believe that you may be the first (or only the second?) person here that has documented using a CC with your 006.

I presume all is well ?

Originally posted by rcohen
I haven't been keeping up with this thread lately, so apologies if this has already been discussed.

I recently hooked up my PC to my 006 with a DVI-HDMI cable, using an Nvidia 6600. Some interesting things I noted:

At 1920x1080i, the sharpness and overall picture quality were incredible. I'm not sure whether HD broadcasts are limited by video compression or video camera/film resolution, but the 006 is capable of incredible sharpness, which is untapped by my HD TimeWarner cable box.



I have been using a similar setup since January and agree that 1080i from a htpc looks very good. The goal was to have the pc output 1080p/24 which would match the original film source a bit better. This should yield an ever better picture for those looking for the last extra bit of pq. I've tried all of the nvidia drivers and even tried a transcoder with the component inputs on the Q. No luck. For the ultimate in pq, you should try some of the wm-hd dvds. Set the dvd to play at 1080p and use the 6 analog outs on your audio card. This will give you the best pq and sound available today. Even better than d-theater. Nvidia also makes it easy to adjust for overscan. I use a combination of the Q's overscan adjustment and nvidia's overscan adjustment to get everything to fit nicely. You can also do some fine tuning with a dvd (sw) frontend like theatertek. Let me know if you have any questions on this setup.
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Agreed.
C'mon editor, stop teasing us.

As an aside, I believe that you may be the first (or only the second?) person here that has documented using a CC with your 006.

I presume all is well ?

Everything with the Sci Atlanta CC is fine. The 006 does NOT get guide info from it. BUT, you can label EVERY channel. I wish there were a few extra characters for things like HBO-FAM-W.
NOT ENOUGH Letters. But you can label everything.
I use a * for all HD channels.

Now then- I am privy to the the Sil Optix and FrouJ Comparison for the Press. I have asked FOR ACCURACY, a gear list of the DEMO gear used at the show in the SilOptix Booth. Once I get that, I can relate my experience.

Editor

Can you satisfy our curiosity in the interim and give is your subjective thoughts on the shootout understanding that you will come back and possibly modify your statements based on the gear used??

The report by mediareceiveunit is very interesting. One of my earliest posts on the old "Sony jumps" thread was a report I had heard that the KDS70XBR100, as shown at CEDIA 2004, was having cost problems at a $10k price point; and was going to be sold with an outboard scaler as a $1000 "mandatory option". It was also going to be in stores before Christmas. We all know that Sony solved it's price/cost problems with a $3k price increase. I wonder if the "delay" in the on-sale date (from the report I had) and the Japanese "QC" Engineers check of the first shipment of the sets in the California warehouse was actually a switchout of the back panel and insertion of an in-chassis signal processer/scaler? This could also account for the gap between the first wave and second wave of shipments to the US. The second wave came by air, also; so why was there a gap if Sony were not making changes? I suspect that most of us would have prefered an outboard scaler with the Japanese unit's additional inputs and it's probable ease in upgrading to direct 1080p input to what we now have. I've had a chance to be a JD Power focus group panelist and provide my opinions on potential car models. Wouldn't it be nice if Sony (and other manufacturers) used this forum as a source of panelists for product development focus groups?

Originally posted by Ted99
I've had a chance to be a JD Power focus group panelist and provide my opinions on potential car models. Wouldn't it be nice if Sony (and other manufacturers) used this forum as a source of panelists for product development focus groups?

SONY - NO FOCUS... we build 200,000... see how dey work!

All I'll ever want is 1080P

Editor

Originally posted by BenDover
Can you satisfy our curiosity in the interim and give is your subjective thoughts on the shootout understanding that you will come back and possibly modify your statements based on the gear used??

Ben:
I'm not gonna do it twice. Suffice to say, put your money on Algolith.

MUCH MORE later....

-Editor

Originally posted by editor58
SONY - NO FOCUS... we build 200,000... see how dey work!
Editor
LOL, Ain't that a fact.:D

...it is a Sony 5M HDMI. It is on loan 'til I get my stand and then I will use my 6' HDMI cable.



Originally posted by BenDover
I can't believe I'm asking this again, but how long is it...the cable!

According to the Qualia stores, delivery time is now two weeks (it used to be four plus), for those of you interested. Sounds like the supply has caught up with the demand somewhat. Just an FYI.

Mpsan, thanks. I don't really see the noise you are referring to but will look again.

Cheers

And Penton, looks like you and I have about the same number of posts. I made mine over 5 years, you did yours over .... 9 months. You need to get out more, man .... :)

Cheers

Thanks Joel. I do have my sharpnes at 0. Will it "help" as I increase the number? I will try, of course, just want to get the stand and al the cables to where they are supposed to be!

Originally posted by Joel
According to the Qualia stores, delivery time is now two weeks (it used to be four plus), for those of you interested. Sounds like the supply has caught up with the demand somewhat. Just an FYI.

Mpsan, thanks. I don't really see the noise you are referring to but will look again.

Cheers

Hi everyone,
I have insight cable here in Illinois. Using their CC into the 006 made a big difference opposed to their HD DVR tuner in noise levels.
Although no guide with CC, i much prefer it for PQ.
The optical out on the 006 i feed to my reciever to get great sound including 5.1 when on an available channel is selected.

I am always astonished at the Q's resolving power and can sit in amazement for hours like a transfixed zombie lol.
I used to have Voom but they went kaboom.
I hear that dish is picking up their 21 HD channels. 1/2 now 1/2 later.
Hope my cable co. follows or ill have to re-dish.
This set is a welcome prized piece as it replaced the 31" panny on a barrel, which you may of seen a few posts back :-)

Currently trying to configure my pc to the 006 with my new sony vaio
media center 2005 computer. It has the X800XT ATI grafics card with 2 dvi outs.
I got a dvi to hdmi cable for the 006, but am having trouble getting the pc to scale 1920 by 1080. I tried powerstrip 3.59 build but that was too much to deal with my current ability.

Any EASY help is appreciated as im no puter guru...

Tim,
I just pm'd you about the pc connection.
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by Joel
I made mine over 5 years, you did yours over .... 9 months. You need to get out more, man .... :)
Cheers
Well I've still got my eye on El Rogo!!!!!

Originally posted by editor58
Everything with the Sci Atlanta CC is fine.

Who is your cable company ? and does Max go after cable guy when he comes in to do any upgrades?

Originally posted by timc1475
Using their CC into the 006 made a big difference opposed to their HD DVR tuner in noise levels.

Your welcome Artwood.

Originally posted by jp2
I have been using a similar setup since January and agree that 1080i from a htpc looks very good. The goal was to have the pc output 1080p/24 which would match the original film source a bit better. This should yield an ever better picture for those looking for the last extra bit of pq. I've tried all of the nvidia drivers and even tried a transcoder with the component inputs on the Q. No luck. For the ultimate in pq, you should try some of the wm-hd dvds. Set the dvd to play at 1080p and use the 6 analog outs on your audio card. This will give you the best pq and sound available today. Even better than d-theater. Nvidia also makes it easy to adjust for overscan. I use a combination of the Q's overscan adjustment and nvidia's overscan adjustment to get everything to fit nicely. You can also do some fine tuning with a dvd (sw) frontend like theatertek. Let me know if you have any questions on this setup.
brgds,
jp
Since Cinemotion works at 1080i, you should get exactly the same results. when viewing movies as you would with 1080p.
1080p is only important for 60fps source material.

I know someone with an 004 (which does accept 1080p/24) who believes that 1080p/24 is preferred to 1080i with most of his source material. I'm not sure if cinemotion on the 004 and 006 are the same. I also believe that if I ever did get the 006 to accept 1080p/24, there would probably not be that much of a difference. Always tweaking for that last little bit!
jp

Ir probably depends on how often it updates the display. It's likely that the 004 and the 006 update the display at 1080p/60, so a 1080i/60 and a 1080p/24 signal would both get converted to 1080p/60 by the electronics before anything gets displayed.

So, your friend can see the difference, or he feels that 1080p/24 is theoretically better?

he is a htpc expert that can see a real difference on some of his source material when outputting 1080i vs 1080p/24. He is displaying on a large screen which highlights any subtle differences. I'm not sure how much difference it would make on my 006.

Originally posted by rcohen
Ir probably depends on how often it updates the display. It's likely that the 004 and the 006 update the display at 1080p/60, so a 1080i/60 and a 1080p/24 signal would both get converted to 1080p/60 by the electronics before anything gets displayed.

So, your friend can see the difference, or he feels that 1080p/24 is theoretically better?

I thought I read somewhere that the 006's native res is 1080p 24fps?

Originally posted by rcohen
Since Cinemotion works at 1080i
If this is true (and I believe it’s the second time you’ve mentioned it), I do not think that the significance of your finding can be overstated. Nobody in the last three rag articles picked up on this potential bonus.

Perhaps you should expound a bit more on this for people at the lower end of the learning curve (like moi) as to how it relates to setting the display for optimal PQ viewing.

Are we sure that Cinemotion works at 1080i, or do we just know that the menu option is available? I.e., can one tell from viewing test patterns whether Cinemotion applies 3:2 pulldown to film sources at 1080i or whether it just "bobs" the signal and does it at a lower resolution (540p) and then scales it back up? That's the question.

Cheers

Originally posted by Joel
Are we sure that Cinemotion works at 1080i, or do we just know that the menu option is available? I.e., can one tell from viewing test patterns whether Cinemotion applies 3:2 pulldown to film sources at 1080i or whether it just "bobs" the signal and does it at a lower resolution (540p) and then scales it back up? That's the question.

Cheers

From the manual, p.110 (CineMotion is part of DRC...)

"DRC Mode is not available when watching 480p, 720p and 1080i sources, when using multi-picture functions (Twin View, Freeze or Memory Stick), or when Direct Mode is set to On or Game Mode is set to On."

That would lead me to believe that CineMotion not on when watching a 1080i source and therefore still leaves open the question of just what the heck is the Q doing.

However, also from the manual, p. 14 under DRC Feature:

"Incoming HD signals (1080i) are also bitmapped, utilizing Sony's propietary algorithm to provide a crisp and clear picture."

Originally posted by Joel
can one tell from viewing test patterns whether Cinemotion applies 3:2 pulldown to film sources at 1080i ?
Cheers
OR.... anything else that you've discovered in your experimentation?
Yup, that be the burning question.

And Joel....
You forgot -
Anyooooooo,
Cheers.

Anyhooooooooooooooooooooo

You've been reading the Qualia Experience thread, I see ... I go over there occasionally when I want a walk on the wild side ... *laughing*

Cheers

All I can tell you is what I have already said:
With cable movies at 1080i via component, with Cinemotion, the motion looks more fluid than with DRC1. To my eyes, the difference in motion smoothness is the same as what you see at 480i. Motion smoothness is pretty subjective though, so I wouldn't bet my life on it.

With my PC at 1080i via DVI->HDMI, things are much sharper at DRC2 and Cinemotion than with DRC1. I can clearly see the difference when I switch back and forth. All I know for sure is that the setting is doing *something*. I don't have a 1080i movie source via HDMI, so I can't comment on motion smoothness from that input.

DRC1 does not have any 3:2 pulldown detection, if I recall reading the WSR review correctly. Even if the 006 bobs 1080i to 540p, then applies 3:2 detection, it will look MUCH better than DRC1 -- because it is doing 3:2 detection at some level.

Cheers

Originally posted by rcohen
All I can tell you is what I have already said:
With cable movies at 1080i via component, with Cinemotion, the motion looks more fluid than with DRC1. To my eyes, the difference in motion smoothness is the same as what you see at 480i. Motion smoothness is pretty subjective though, so I wouldn't bet my life on it.

With my PC at 1080i via DVI->HDMI, things are much sharper at DRC2 and Cinemotion than with DRC1. I can clearly see the difference when I switch back and forth. All I know for sure is that the setting is doing *something*. I don't have a 1080i movie source via HDMI, so I can't comment on motion smoothness from that input.
Well that sounds pretty good.....even if we can't explain *why* it is happening.
Question - Have you actually recorded a cable movie at 1080i and done an A/B comparison with the same movie....with and without the Cinemotion setting ....rather than relying on memory of comparing different movies at different stages in time?
Question - With the PC, when you say you can "clearly see the difference" with what exactly?
Thanks. This is good stuff.

So, do you 006 owners now agree that a 1080p/24 input is a no go on this set?

Can you reduce overscan to see all of the computer screen with the NVidia drivers (I'd rather not do it on the 006)?

Damon

Originally posted by mpsan
...it is a Sony 5M HDMI. It is on loan 'til I get my stand and then I will use my 6' HDMI cable.

mpsan,
Don't know if you cable is long enough to cause this or if this is what you are seeing, but it's something to consider:

DVI and HDMI connections, for this reason, are subject to the "digital cliff" phenomenon. Up to some length, a DVI or HDMI cable will perform just fine; the rounding and reflections will not compromise the ability of the display device to reconstruct the original bitstream, and no information will be lost. As we make the cable longer and longer, the difficulty of reconstructing the bitstream increases. At some point, unrecoverable bit errors start to occur; these are colloquially described in the home theater community as "sparklies," because the bit errors manifest themselves as pixel dropouts which make the image sparkle. If we make the cable just a bit longer, so much information is lost that the display becomes unable to reconstitute enough information to even render an image; the bitstream has fallen off the digital cliff, so called because of the abruptness of the failure. A cable design that works perfectly at 20 feet may get "sparkly" at 25, and stop working entirely at 30.

Full article:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

Originally posted by pawrampe
Does anyone have better definitions of the menu settings than those offered in the instruction manual? Specifically:
What does DRC do, when would you use it, and what does reality vs. clarity mean?

DRC is kinda a Sony acronym for *Digital Reality Creation* . The DRC modes are deinterlacing modes and I believe they differ in the granularity of the pixel processing.

These modes include what is called a DRC Palette which is a 2-D graph that allows the viewer to adjust the Reality and Clarity of the image. The *Reality* effects the amount of vertical and horizontal edge enhancement that is added to the image, while *Clarity* adjustment (if it works like the 004) adds DNR (noise reduction) and softens the edge enhancement added by fooling with the *Reality* control.

If *Reality* works the same as the 004 to affect the image, I suspect you will see bright edge outlining artifacts effecting both the vertical and horizontal edges the more you crank up the setting.

I don’t know, I haven’t messed with it.
:eek:

I hope all you Q owners are getting your RPTV's calibrated as the grey scale tracking factory setting's are atrocious .

Deviation of 0 or 1 is acceptable
Gray Scale Tracking 1080i YPbPr of 006 SXRD RPTV 70"

IRE factory °K calibrated °K factory dE calibrated dE
10 7040 6360 29 2
20 7110 6330 19 2
30 6980 6430 15 2
40 6980 6390 13 3
50 7100 6480 14 2
60 7210 6590 14 1
70 7180 6570 13 1
80 7160 6560 13 2
90 7120 6490 12 0
100 7070 6470 12 1

Here we see factory settings are unacceptable and even after calibration the normal range 30 IRE - 80 IRE you get 2 and 3 deviation and is not worth the vaunted price tag IMHO...


The Greg Rogers measurements in Wide Screen review reveal other weaknesses such as unacceptable lumen's uniformity loss of 50% from center of RPTV to the outside .

Originally posted by REWJR
I hope all you Q owners are getting your RPTV's calibrated as the grey scale tracking factory setting's are atrocious .

Deviation of 0 or 1 is acceptable
Gray Scale Tracking 1080i YPbPr of 006 SXRD RPTV 70"

IRE factory °K calibrated °K factory dE calibrated dE
10 7040 6360 29 2
20 7110 6330 19 2
30 6980 6430 15 2
40 6980 6390 13 3
50 7100 6480 14 2
60 7210 6590 14 1
70 7180 6570 13 1
80 7160 6560 13 2
90 7120 6490 12 0
100 7070 6470 12 1

Here we see factory settings are unacceptable and even after calibration the normal range 30 IRE - 80 IRE you get 2 and 3 deviation and is not worth the vaunted price tag IMHO...


The Greg Rogers measurements in Wide Screen review reveal other weaknesses such as unacceptable lumen's uniformity loss of 50% from center of RPTV to the outside .

Are you going to hit every remotely related Qualia thread with this? People already responded to you in the other Qualia thread. Here, I'll repeat all of their responses so we don't have to go through this again. :rolleyes:



Originally posted by empire_of_one
Those post-calibration specs look pretty damn good to me. If there's another TV that adheres that closely to 6500K across the board, I'd like to see it. Deviation greater than 1 is unacceptable according to who?

" The other issue is the 50% variation from center of screen to outside in uniformity terrible"

50% variation in WHAT? uniformity? uniformity of what? brightness? The Qualia I saw had the best uniformity of screen brightness of any RPTV I've seen.


Originally posted by Joel
On the numbers, I will say that the WSR reviewer was able to do all his work through the general menus, not the service menus. An ISF calibrator can do more with the service codes; having these adjustments available to the user is the exception rather than the rule. I don't understand the DE numbers but the reviewer's conclusion was very favorable after his calibration.

I also note that the reviewer selected "warm" as his color choice, which IMO pushes the reds a bit and leaves whites pink. That choice may account for the higher kelvins prior to calibration in any case.

That's what I get from reading the review. I would appreciate an understanding, though, of the DE numbers for my own edification.

And another word about these early reviews. One of them, the TPV review I believe, was done with a pre-production model.

Anyhoooo

Cheers


Originally posted by empire_of_one
Those post-calibration specs look pretty damn good to me. If there's another TV that adheres that closely to 6500K across the board, I'd like to see it. Deviation greater than 1 is unacceptable according to who?


"The other issue is the 50% variation from center of screen to outside in uniformity terrible."


50% variation in WHAT? uniformity? uniformity of what? brightness? The Qualia I saw had the best uniformity of screen brightness of any RPTV I've seen.




Originally posted by nhey


Maybe you should actually see an 006 before you post. These DE numbers are meaningless.

Yes, folks, I have all 3 mags, and have read the Widescreen Review a couple times. If you look at the pre-calibration DE numbers in that mag you see numbers ranging from 12 through 29, yet all owners have reported extreme satisfaction with the picture quality. After calibration a DE of 0 to 2 with only one IRE level at 3 (6390 at 40 IRE) is OUTSTANDING. I am NOT aware of any set that calibrates as closely to 6500 across the entire range. My calibrationist (Eliab of avical.com) is one of the best in the country and I will discuss this with him Wednesday morning. He does nationwide tours for good reason - he is that well respected and is that good.

DE is simply a measure of distance of a value from 6500, with a zero DE meaning the calibrated level at that IRE is 6500 or a few degrees more or less.

I just looked at his calibration report from 3 years ago for my Pioneer Elite 730HD and the post calibration numbers are no where as good as the numbers in Widescreen Review for the 006, and he told me that the Pioneer Elite's calibrated grey scale was excellent.

There is simply no way any human being could tell a difference between a grey scale as good as the one reported in Widescreen Review and perfectly flat 6500 across the entire IRE range. NO WAY.

We'll look at brightness uniformity. I think it is EXCELLENT on the 006 from actual source material. I like that a lot better than looking at test patterns, LOL.

Just look at the colorimetry patterns for the 006 in the magazine. Simply SUPERB.

Also, looking at the 006 in a couple of showrooms is NO comparison to owning it for several months and watching it every day.

I'm tired of seeing people pass judgement on things they haven't seen with their own eyes. SEEING IS BELIEVING!

I haven't seen this Qualia monster yet for myself, but at least I know I can't put forth any judgemental statements about its worth one way or the other. I won't do that until I've seen it with my own eyes.

Isn't that the only real, fair way to do it?

In the immortal words of my former boss "this stuff is starting to make my hair hurt"

Add to that my growing frustration of not receiving my set and you have one preoccupied fool...I hope I don't lose my interest before even taking delivery.

I hope it will just look great and I won't have to worry what it is doing to deliver the goods.

Originally posted by Joel
Anyhooooooooooooooooooooo

You've been reading the Qualia Experience thread, I see ... I go over there occasionally when I want a walk on the wild side ... *laughing*

Cheers
Speaking of the devil.:eek:

Originally posted by BenDover
I hope it will just look great and I won't have to worry what it is doing to deliver the goods.
It will.
And after you get it, you will probably disappear like motormouth for a month or so while you enter the world of Qualia nirvana.:D

I figured I'd just quote everyone's responses to that so it could be put down and everyone could move on. No need for the repeat.

Have you made the Qualia Viewing Trek yet ?

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Have you made the Qualia Viewing Trek yet ?

I want to. I'm still not sure where to go. I live about an hour north of Dayton, OH. What do you think will be my best way to even find a dealer for this near me?

Just make the hour long drive to Ft. Wayne to Tweeter or Ovation? I'm sure they'll carry it.

I just need to see this for myself. BADLY! ;)

Oops !
My last post was made before your edit.
Man that sure as hell filled up p.268 - I was about to do the same.

So when are you going on your mission?

Yes, speaking of the devil .... :) But it was nicely handled here. UMR replied to that point, in case you missed it ...

BenDover, hang in there. It's coming and you won't be sorry.

I have another AVS'er coming over to my home tonight to do a little viewing .... we all have to stick together.

Cheers

Here is some helpfun info on cable card install. Since it is new even the cable guys are lacking on installation procedures.

The 1st time they tried to install it did not work , later the next day i discovered the cable from the splitter to the 006 was defective and when i put another cable on walla!! Therefore i reccommend initially hooking up directly bypassing ALL splitters...

1.) first temporairly disconnect all splitters and plug the cable DIRECTLY into the 006. The 006 should be OFF.

2.) plug a NEW cable card in til it clicks. A used or old one may need reset.

3.) turn on the 006.

4.) follow on screen promps til you get to the screen that the cable man needs to see that has the numbers needed to relay to their dispatcher. the dispatcher needs to tell the cableman what numbers to look for.

5.) after numbers are relayed to the dispatcher they are to hit the card to activate with your specific channels / packages your paying for that they have on order by your request.

6.) there is also a section in your owners manual, read it also b4 he arrives.

7.) another way to make it works after the above is the do the following in order...A) push menu on 006 remote
B) scroll all the way down to last icon which is applications
C) toggle to the right on the right arrow then scroll down to
cablecardthen push the center button on remote to enter
then follow info as needed.

8.) If additional help is needed you may call my cable operator and ask to speak with a person knowlegeable on cable card install and they may assist as well (309-686-2600)>Insight Cable.

9.) if all this fails then slowely proceed to strangle your cableman for not knowing his job better LOL. :-)

Now if i could just get some help in setting up my puters grafics card to work with the 006 correcty.....

PS: use the optical out on the 006 to the optical in on your reciever to enjoy 5.1 surround sound on available channels ;-)

I've found the PQ via cc is superior to their cable box DVR tuners (less noise) also i can omit (or hide) channels not subscribed to which is cool cause i can scroll around the world so to speak via the remote, you can't do that on their box...you have to scroll thru ALL their blank channels using their box. Also it's just 1.99 per month!!
Hope this helps!
Tim

that's interesting that the pq is better using the 006's own tuner as opposed to the cable co's tuner; maybe less conversions than going from cable box to the q...i have my cable boxes set to "pass through" so they don't monkey with the signal at all and just pass the original signal.

maybe i'll order a cc from my cable company to experiment.

when i finally get my set, i'll eventually connect my htpc; i also have a new, still in the box, myHD -130 HDTV tuner card with the dvi daughter card that I'll be using as well...should be interesting to see what resolutions the myHD will be able to pass to the q.

what are the problems you are having with your computer's graphics card settings?

Thanks DD. I think it may be that I have my sharpness at 0. Perhaps that is it. I say that because I seem to get the same on live TV. Remember the AI I mentioned. I am getting two 6412's Sunday and will see how they are on Component.

At any rate, when I get my stand, instead of the loaner, I will use a 6' HDMI and will post pictures...along with a new animal who controls everything called Yoshi.

I actually got him on a trip to Japan...he even had his own TV show there! :D

Originally posted by divedude
mpsan,
Don't know if you cable is long enough to cause this or if this is what you are seeing, but it's something to consider:

DVI and HDMI connections, for this reason, are subject to the "digital cliff" phenomenon. Up to some length, a DVI or HDMI cable will perform just fine; the rounding and reflections will not compromise the ability of the display device to reconstruct the original bitstream, and no information will be lost. As we make the cable longer and longer, the difficulty of reconstructing the bitstream increases. At some point, unrecoverable bit errors start to occur; these are colloquially described in the home theater community as "sparklies," because the bit errors manifest themselves as pixel dropouts which make the image sparkle. If we make the cable just a bit longer, so much information is lost that the display becomes unable to reconstitute enough information to even render an image; the bitstream has fallen off the digital cliff, so called because of the abruptness of the failure. A cable design that works perfectly at 20 feet may get "sparkly" at 25, and stop working entirely at 30.

Full article:

http://www.bluejeanscable.com/articles/dvihdmicomponent.htm

Originally posted by REWJR
I hope all you Q owners are getting your RPTV's calibrated as the grey scale tracking factory setting's are atrocious ... The Greg Rogers measurements in Wide Screen review reveal other weaknesses such as unacceptable lumen's uniformity loss of 50% from center of RPTV to the outside .

:D THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING!!! :D

Originally posted by timc1475
Here is some helpfun info on cable card install. Since it is new even the cable guys are lacking on installation procedures.
Tim
Kudos,
As I believe this is the first time that anyone has documented the implementation process step by step and if memory serves me correct, more than one person here had CC install problems with their caaaaaaable guy.

Editor, don’t forget to tell us the name of your cable company.

The Greg Rogers measurements in Wide Screen review ...

The Qualia 006 review in Widescreen Review was written by Mike Marks, not by me. Mike takes the measurements for his reviews, not me. (We are 2400 miles apart).

Greg Rogers
AccuPel
Widescreen Review

Originally posted by Penton-Man

...

Editor, don’t forget to tell us the name of your cable company.


He has Cablevision, like myself.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well that sounds pretty good.....even if we can't explain *why* it is happening.
Question - Have you actually recorded a cable movie at 1080i and done an A/B comparison with the same movie....with and without the Cinemotion setting ....rather than relying on memory of comparing different movies at different stages in time?
Question - With the PC, when you say you can "clearly see the difference" with what exactly?
Thanks. This is good stuff.
With cable, yes, I did an A/B comparison on a recorded movie. The difference in motion smoothness is subtle, but Cinemotion looks better to me. No Cinemotion is more stuttery.

With the PC, DRC2 and Cinemotion were much sharper than DRC1. I didn't have a movie, so I couldn't test the motion smoothness. BTW, I'm not doing any scaling, so I'm getting perfect pixel mapping via DVI->HDMI. The sharpness is quite a bit better than cable. I don't know if it's HDMI v. component or the signal contents.

I also noticed that the DRC palette menu is disabled at 1080i. It's stuck on palette 3.

Originally posted by DANewsome
So, do you 006 owners now agree that a 1080p/24 input is a no go on this set?

Can you reduce overscan to see all of the computer screen with the NVidia drivers (I'd rather not do it on the 006)?

Damon
The nicest way to do it is to reduce the resolution slightly, so you still get 1:1 pixel mapping. I added a custom resolution (using the Nvidia drivers) of something like 1840x1020 and selecting center, instead of scale.

For watching movies via the PC, I would think you'd want 1920x1080 w/overscan.

Well, zee Queen and zee Royal Pouch and moi watched “24” last night, toggling several times between the DVI/HDMI connection and the i.LINK connection from our Moto 6200 cable box and the 006.

I believe that the difference in PQ with i.LINK watching this broadcast at 720p was even more readily apparent compared to the experiment I described a bunch of pages back (with a 1080i program).

Zee Royal Pouch gave two barks to the i.LINK after toggling only once between the inputs. It only took 2 toggles for the queen and me to decide.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Well, zee Queen and zee Royal Pouch and moi watched “24” last night, toggling several times between the DVI/HDMI connection and the i.LINK connection from our Moto 6200 cable box and the 006.

I believe that the difference in PQ with i.LINK watching this broadcast at 720p was even more readily apparent compared to the experiment I described a bunch of pages back (with a 1080i program).

Zee Royal Pouch gave two barks to the i.LINK after toggling only once between the inputs. It only took 2 toggles for the queen and me to decide.

Sounds like your set is performing very similar to Ted99's. This set using i.Link is truly spectacular.

Originally posted by BenDover
He has Cablevision, like myself.

Yes i DO!

I wanted to clean up a few loose ends.
First - I have a 1500 word "experience" review from the 2005 Home Entertainment Show with regard to Algolith and the Silicon Optix booth.
I'm doing some fact checking, and having both parties add comments before I post. I'll do it in a PDF too.

Second - I have Cablevision, and YES Yankee games are now mostly in HD, but not last night. Somebody forgot to turn the switch on. And, the graphics for score, etc. are in the wrong place. Cablevision needs to look at INHD and how they do scoring.

More to come... If I get my review comments back today, I'll post later.

Editor

Originally posted by umr
Sounds like your set is performing very similar to Ted99's. This set using i.Link is truly spectacular.


Ok, I know of DVD players that output audio over ilink, ie, 1394, connections. In light of this confirmation, are there any players that output video over ilink?

Edit: you know this troubles me as well as excites since both hdmi and ilink are digital connections and in theory we should not be seeing a difference unless the q is processing one path differently than the other, save the possible noise tbat may be introduced in hdmi v. ilink

Originally posted by editor58
Yes i DO!

...YES Yankee games are now mostly in HD, but not last night. Somebody forgot to turn the switch on. And, the graphics for score, etc. are in the wrong place. Cablevision needs to look at INHD and how they do scoring.
Editor


Pardon my interruption but I thought this would be of interest…
From the YES HD thread, posted by Ken H

2005 YES Network Yankees HD Schedule

April 3 BOSTON 8:05
April 5 BOSTON 1:05
April 6 BOSTON 1:05
April 8 BALTIMORE 7:05
April 9 BALTIMORE 1:05
April 10 BALTIMORE 1:05
April 11 at Boston 3:05
April 13 at Boston 7:05
April 14 at Boston 7:05
April 18 TAMPA BAY 7:05
April 19 TAMPA BAY 7:05
April 23 TEXAS 1:05
April 24 TEXAS 1:05
April 26 ANAHEIM 7:05
April 27 ANAHEIM 7:05
April 28 ANAHEIM 7:05
April 30 TORONTO 1:05

May 1 TORONTO 1:05
May 7 OAKLAND 1:05
May 8 OAKLAND 1:05
May 9 SEATTLE 7:05
May 10 SEATTLE 7:05
May 11 SEATTLE 1:05
May 22 at New York (NL) 1:10
May 24 DETROIT 7:05
May 25 DETROIT 7:05
May 27 BOSTON 7:05

June 14 PITTSBURGH 7:05
June 15 PITTSBURGH 7:05
June 16 PITTSBURGH 7:05
June 19 CHICAGO (NL) 1:05
June 20 TAMPA BAY 7:05
June 21 TAMPA BAY 7:05
June 22 TAMPA BAY 1:05
June 23 TAMPA BAY 7:05
June 24 NEW YORK (NL) 7:05
June 25 NEW YORK (NL) 4:05

July 4 BALTIMORE 1:05
July 5 BALTIMORE 1:05
July 7 CLEVELAND 7:05
July 9 CLEVELAND 4:05
July 10 CLEVELAND 1:05
July 14 at Boston 7:05
July 26 MINNESOTA 7:05
July 27 MINNESOTA 7:05
July 28 MINNESOTA 1:05
July 31 ANAHEIM 1:05

Aug. 8 CHICAGO (AL) 7:05
Aug. 9 CHICAGO (AL) 7:05
Aug. 10 CHICAGO (AL) 1:05
Aug. 11 TEXAS 7:05
Aug. 13 TEXAS 1:05
Aug. 14 TEXAS 1:05
Aug. 22 TORONTO 7:05
Aug. 23 TORONTO 7:05
Aug. 24 TORONTO 7:05
Aug. 25 TORONTO 1:05
Aug. 27 KANSAS CITY 1:05
Aug. 28 KANSAS CITY 1:05

Sept. 6 TAMPA BAY 7:05
Sept. 7 TAMPA BAY 7:05
Sept. 8 TAMPA BAY 7:05
Sept. 11 BOSTON 1:05
Sept. 19 BALTIMORE 7:05
Sept. 20 BALTIMORE 7:05
Sept. 21 BALTIMORE 7:05
Sept. 22 BALTIMORE 7:05
Sept. 24 TORONTO 1:05
Sept. 25 TORONTO 1:05

Oct. 2 at Boston 2:05

All times at ET & subject to change

There's been much discussion about Algolith on this thread; check this out. They're introducing several new products for the PC. The one below looks to be (essentially) a DragonFly on a PCI card.

AlgoSpeed with HQV (https://www.algolith.com/?id=144)

ALGOLITH INTRODUCES NEW PROVIDEO SOLUTIONS AT NAB2005
April 14, 2005, Montreal, Canada

The AlgoSpeed Accelerator card performs complex high quality format conversion and noise reduction of digital video file sequences at high speed on your workstation. The AlgoSpeed card features the Silicon Optix Realta Chip with HQV™. It brings Teranex’s Hollywood Quality Video to the PC & Mac environments, making it affordable to enjoy the full benefits of this technology without investing in expensive dedicated solutions. AlgoSpeed uses Realta’s power to deliver high quality results when performing the following functions: de-interlacing, noise reduction, detail enhancement, scaling and automatic cadence detection.

I am not aware of any DVD players with 1394 video out.

Cheers

On another topic, has anyone else experienced this issue with the Sony 975 via HDMI? I see two very fine black horizontal lines across the screen, about a half inch (or less) from the top and bottom of the image, on the DVD playback. I am connected into Video 7 via HDMI at 480i (I see them at 1080i as well). It's not the 006 because I don't get that via component from the cable box (on Video 4). I will try HDMI video 6 and perhaps component to isolate the issue (I hate to drop megabucks on another HDMI cable, but perhaps I can borrow one from someone in SD) but I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this and has any suggestions.

Thanks in advance, and

Cheers

Joel, I am on HDMI 6 and do not see it even with the 5M HDMI cable.

One problem you may have....Sony may have put a 70" Trinitron in your Q006 in error! :D

Originally posted by Joel
On another topic, has anyone else experienced this issue with the Sony 975 via HDMI? I see two very fine black horizontal lines across the screen, about a half inch (or less) from the top and bottom of the image, on the DVD playback. I am connected into Video 7 via HDMI at 480i (I see them at 1080i as well). It's not the 006 because I don't get that via component from the cable box (on Video 4). I will try HDMI video 6 and perhaps component to isolate the issue (I hate to drop megabucks on another HDMI cable, but perhaps I can borrow one from someone in SD) but I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this and has any suggestions.

Thanks in advance, and

Cheers

Everybody's a comedian.... :)

I am hoping it's a cable issue or even a DVD player issue rather than having a problem with the HDMI inputs. I guess I will have to spring for another HDMI cable.

Anyone else?

Originally posted by Joel
Everybody's a comedian.... :)

I am hoping it's a cable issue or even a DVD player issue rather than having a problem with the HDMI inputs. I guess I will have to spring for another HDMI cable.

Anyone else?

Before buying another cable did you yet try connecting to the other hdmi input?

I'm going to do all that before spending much $$, including trying component.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Joel
I'm going to do all that before spending much $$, including trying component.

Thanks!

Joel:
I don't have any issues with regard to underscan or lines.
Please check your 006 settings for underscan/overscan. Go through the menus and make sure that your geometry settings are correct. Do you experience this with CableCard, or other input sources? If you do, the issue is with the 006. If it's only common to the DVD player, BEFORE you buy any cables, I want you to try the DVD's Standard Composite Output into the 006. Second try the Component Output into Video 5 for example, finally, with BOTH units on unplug the cable. Turn off the 006. Recycle the power, and while ON plug the 975 cable back in, and let it initialize again.

If the Composite cables and Component cables look fine, I suggest a new HDMI cable, or SWAP ones that you have to see if the problem Follows the cable. IF it does, you need a new Cable. If the 975 puts out the same results with a new HDMI cable, the suspect would be the 975.

Nes' pa?

-Editor

Joel,
You might also try connecting your Sammy 931 :)

Does anyone with a cc and the 006 have comcast cable? If so, are you able to get either of the INHD channels? I just had a card installed yesterday but a lot of the channels did not show up. I am able to get my locals in HD and some of the higher channels but a lot of the channels starting with 102 are not able to tune in. I also have a cable modem on the same line and tried to isolate just the tv but still no luck. They are supposed to come by today with another cc to see if that fixes anything. Under the diagnostics menu, I am getting a snr of about 30 for INband and 19 for OUT of band. Thanks for any tips. Both the comcast tech and his counterpart on the other end of the phone had never worked with a cc before.
brgds,
jp

Joel,
Btw, what did you end up doing with the extended warranty for the q?

Also, in line with my luck, the q may be getting delivered this week, just in time for my weekend away from home!

If it wasn't for bad luck I would have none.

That reminds me. I did get my 5 year policy just yesterday and it did cover 8 years...it starts after the Sony one stops.


Originally posted by BenDover
Joel,
Btw, what did you end up doing with the extended warranty for the q?

Also, in line with my luck, the q may be getting delivered this week, just in time for my weekend away from home!

If it wasn't for bad luck I would have none.

So far, no x-wty. I concluded that the issues, if they come up, would come up early. I'd rather spend the dough on a blu-ray player ... :)

Editor, thanks! What geometry settings are you referring to? I am using a Pioneer HD cable box, TWC digital cable, via component. No scan line issues on the cable picture. No CC either (altho I am ruminatin' about the new Sony HDD500 unit which uses a CC as I understand it).

Also, it occurred to me that the over/underscan may be from the 975 settings too -- what settings do you all use that might affect it?

Thanks again, all.

Cheers

Penton - I also like the iLink connection, and with the Comcast 6412 box it is great, and "probably" noticeably better than component, but not really much different to my eyes than HDMI, but it may be that I am biased in that I know that iLink should look better, thanks to UMR's efforts. The problem with trying to do a true double-blind comparison to HDMI is that you have to go through that icky intro screen when you switch to iLink, which obviously gives it away. Of course, one solution would be to take a person who has no knowledge of which "should" be better and asking them their opinion. I have yet to try that.


Editor -

The Yankee games in HD are only in HD if the Yes network is broadcasting the games from Yankee stadium, and a few from Fenway, and a few from Shea. Away games are not in HD on Yes, such as last night's game from Tampa Bay, so it wasn't due to someone "forgetting to turn on the switch".


:) :)

I am getting two 6412's Sunday and will be using Component. Not sure if I should use 480i, but I thought a thread a long way back said that the 6412 with iLink would not give the interactive guide and On Demand.


Originally posted by nhey
Penton - I also like the iLink connection, and with the Comcast 6412 box it is great, and "probably" noticeably better than component, but not really much different to my eyes than HDMI, but it may be that I am biased in that I know that iLink should look better, thanks to UMR's efforts. The problem with trying to do a true double-blind comparison to HDMI is that you have to go through that icky intro screen when you switch to iLink, which obviously gives it away. Of course, one solution would be to take a person who has no knowledge of which "should" be better and asking them their opinion. I have yet to try that.


Editor -

The Yankee games in HD are only in HD if the Yes network is broadcasting the games from Yankee stadium, and a few from Fenway, and a few from Shea. Away games are not in HD on Yes, such as last night's game from Tampa Bay, so it wasn't due to someone "forgetting to turn on the switch".


:) :)

I know what you mean Joel.

I wonder, however, how far away we are to having HD from Netflix?

P.S. TT-400 should ship sometime later this week. Not sure how long it will take to get up here!


Originally posted by Joel
So far, no x-wty. I concluded that the issues, if they come up, would come up early. I'd rather spend the dough on a blu-ray player ... :)

Editor, thanks! What geometry settings are you referring to? I am using a Pioneer HD cable box, TWC digital cable, via component. No scan line issues on the cable picture. No CC either (altho I am ruminatin' about the new Sony HDD500 unit which uses a CC as I understand it).

Also, it occurred to me that the over/underscan may be from the 975 settings too -- what settings do you all use that might affect it?

Thanks again, all.

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
I am getting two 6412's Sunday and will be using Component. Not sure if I should use 480i, but I thought a thread a long way back said that the 6412 with iLink would not give the interactive guide and On Demand.


Yes, that is correct. With iLink, you get none of the cable box menus. Also, if you switch inputs and then switch back to iLink, you have to go through the iLink "intro" screen (you'll know what I mean when you try it) instead of just getting right to the picture. So, there's that slight tradeoff for the best picture quality vs. a little "ickiness" getting to it. Of course, if you know what you are watching and don't plan to channel surf you're all set when watching via iLink.

Thanks, nhey.
We seldom channel surf. At least we would not use the Q for that but stay upstairs and watch the HD set up there. That is where the 2nd DVR is going. I see that the cable companies are thinking about making it so a DVR can be seen on all sets. I sure miss that about our 3 replaytv's. That is why we still use them to record SD stuff!

Originally posted by nhey
Yes, that is correct. With iLink, you get none of the cable box menus. Also, if you switch inputs and then switch back to iLink, you have to go through the iLink "intro" screen (you'll know what I mean when you try it) instead of just getting right to the picture. So, there's that slight tradeoff for the best picture quality vs. a little "ickiness" getting to it. Of course, if you know what you are watching and don't plan to channel surf you're all set when watching via iLink.

Wow, I didn't know I-link was being used for video at all. I knew that it was possible, but I thought I-link had been consigned to strictly audio use.

Originally posted by nhey
Penton - one solution would be to take a person who has no knowledge of which "should" be better and asking them their opinion.
Like zee Queen and zee Royal Pouch ?... although I believe that if I experiment with it a few more times those study participants may catch on.:D

nhey, try it with “24” next time the program is on. I think it’s pretty obvious…..the difference between i.LINK and DVI/HDMI, that is, at least with my Moto 6200 box. Also of course remember to make sure that all of your menu settings (brightness, sharpness, color temp. etc.) are exactly the same between the i.LINK and whatever input you are using for your cable box to give it a fair test.

For a program that is broadcast over cable at 1080i – it’s tougher to differentiate a difference. I think it’s best to find something like a nature show that shows LONG scenes with a bird just sitting there or some such thing where you know you are looking at exactly the same thing when you toggle back and forth.

So, tomorrow is C- day for you. Please take copious notes !

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Wow, I didn't know I-link was being used for video at all. I knew that it was possible, but I thought I-link had been consigned to strictly audio use.
The upcoming Sony Blu-rays have i.LINK :D

Here are a few pics i took the other night. I had to downsize them.

I'm still toying with the puter to try to get 1920 by 1080...ill keep ya updated>

Tonight i'm getting ready to view The 5th Element superbit. Which is supposed to be remastered for superior video.

And DTS sound which i prefer over DD :-)

Tim

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The upcoming Sony Blu-rays have i.LINK :D

I'll be damned. I really thought I-link had almost become a glorified niche connection or was in DVI land.

How 'bout that... And it does great PQ huh? Better than HDMI even? Why?

windows desktop

windows screen

Originally posted by timc1475
windows desktop

I'm thinking about what Half Life 2 or Doom 3 would look like on that right now...

I need a hug. :( :p

sports channel pic

Originally posted by timc1475
sports channel pic

Now I need a beer. ;)

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
I'm thinking about what Half Life 2 or Doom 3 would look like on that right now...

I need a hug. :( :p

i'll be sure to snap a couple of those for ya :)

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The upcoming Sony Blu-rays have i.LINK :D

i'm betting that is how they are going to feed the Q native 1080p!

Originally posted by BenDover
i'm betting that is how they are going to feed the Q native 1080p!

The issue is still what source can we get that is some form of 1080p that can be input into the 006 even if the ilink could handle it. the 002 camcorder still doesn't record in 1080p/24. an outboard scaler is a common way to get a 1080p input but I don't know of any scaler that outputs via ilink. panasonics upcoming camcorder will do all forms of 1080p and will output via its ilink port. it should cost the same as the qualia 002 but the memory cards are very expensive. I don't know of a way to get my htpc to output its video via the firewire port while setting the pc's resolution to 1080p/24. Still in search of!
jp

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
I'll be damned. I really thought I-link had almost become a glorified niche connection or was in DVI land.

How 'bout that... And it does great PQ huh? Better than HDMI even? Why?


Not quite sure why, but it is clear looking at the schematics that the path is different. Test patterns also look MUCH better over i.Link with the 006 than any other input type. There is no reason it should be superior, but Sony seems to have made some mistakes on the other inputs. The built-in tuner may also perform similar to i.Link, but I was not able to test it.

is this thing worth 10 g's

remember when plasma came out and was 10 g's look at it now

Hello Qualia owners,

How does the 006 display standard old 480i television broadcasts? We've got Dish network, but we still want to watch a lot of shows that are not in high def. So far, we have been extremely dissapointed by most LCD and DLP 480i images, so I'd love to know how the Q stacks up. Screenshots would be great! :)

Well, my 59avi arrived today. Nice deck. Noticably better than my 9000ES. Sound seems airier on music. Watched superbit 5th Element. It was incredible on the 9000ES, but this deck seems to make images pop a little more. Thought I noticed more detail on superbit Spiderman 2.

Now where's that dang 006? Urrrghhh. Now I know what you guys were going through. :)

-xrispy

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
is this thing worth 10 g's


Depends on how you feel about 10g's and a TV.:D

By the way, its $13K, not $10K.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
The upcoming Sony Blu-rays have i.LINK :D



THAT'S GREAT NEWS.

CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!

Originally posted by Joel
On another topic, has anyone else experienced this issue with the Sony 975 via HDMI? I see two very fine black horizontal lines across the screen, about a half inch (or less) from the top and bottom of the image, on the DVD playback. I am connected into Video 7 via HDMI at 480i (I see them at 1080i as well). It's not the 006 because I don't get that via component from the cable box (on Video 4). I will try HDMI video 6 and perhaps component to isolate the issue (I hate to drop megabucks on another HDMI cable, but perhaps I can borrow one from someone in SD) but I'm wondering if anyone else has seen this and has any suggestions.

Thanks in advance, and

Cheers

Joel..are you referring to a very thin horizontal black line (slightly out of focus) going across the screen just below and above the black bars in a widescreen movie? if so, i have seen these lines on the last 3 tv's i've owned (51w500, 60xbr950,Q006) using 3 different dvd players. i thought it was my tv at first. went to a cc store and also saw the same thing on other manufacturers sets. it's not you dvd player. not sure what it is,but i'm no longer bothered by it.

Originally posted by hifi59
Joel..are you referring to a very thin horizontal black line (slightly out of focus) going across the screen just below and above the black bars in a widescreen movie? if so, i have seen these lines on the last 3 tv's i've owned (51w500, 60xbr950,Q006) using 3 different dvd players. i thought it was my tv at first. went to a cc store and also saw the same thing on other manufacturers sets. it's not you dvd player. not sure what it is,but i'm no longer bothered by it.

If that's the case, I would monkey around with the both the TV, and the players aspect settings.

And possibly the video settings related to noise filtering and/or sharpness.

Originally posted by sayanythingrock
remember when plasma came out and was 10 g's look at it now

Comparing this thing to plasmas isn't going to inspire confidence in a lot of people. I don't even have to be an owner of this piece to probably tell you that, thankfully, this Qualia has little in common with most plasmas.

I am going to see this beast soon and I fully expect to be awestruck.

That being said, though, no I would not pay five figures for it and here's why:

As to your question about "Is it worth 10-13G's?" I'll answer that with a question: How much of that $13,000 price do you think is mark up for having the name "Sony" on the product? ;)

And there's an even more basic truth: You're always going to pay THE top dollar to be the first kid on the block with brand new technology. I never do that for all the obvious reasons.

This is the same product line, from Sony, that also offers you a pair of $3300 headphones. What do YOU think? For the sake of perspective: $3300 can get you a pretty damned respectable 5.1 Home Theater setup: An awesome receiver for up to $1500 and a 5.1 speaker setup that includes two towers for the fronts for $1500-$1800 thereabouts. It's easily done when you know where to shop around.

You getting the idea that I'm thinking $3300 headphones is pretty outrageous? ;)

In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing this Qualia 006 beast soon!

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
Comparing this thing to plasmas isn't going to inspire confidence in a lot of people. I don't even have to be an owner of this piece to probably tell you that, thankfully, this Qualia has little in common with most plasmas.

I am going to see this beast soon and I fully expect to be awestruck.

That being said, though, no I would not pay five figures for it and here's why:

As to your question about "Is it worth 10-13G's?" I'll answer that with a question: How much of that $13,000 price do you think is mark up for having the name "Sony" on the product? ;)

And there's an even more basic truth: You're always going to pay THE top dollar to be the first kid on the block with brand new technology. I never do that for all the obvious reasons.

This is the same product line, from Sony, that also offers you a pair of $3300 headphones. What do YOU think? For the sake of perspective: $3300 can get you a pretty damned respectable 5.1 Home Theater setup: An awesome receiver for up to $1500 and a 5.1 speaker setup that includes two towers for the fronts for $1500-$1800 thereabouts. It's easily done when you know where to shop around.

You getting the idea that I'm thinking $3300 headphones is pretty outrageous? ;)

In any event, I'm looking forward to seeing this Qualia 006 beast soon!

Q, what you say is true. However, in the case of the Q, here you are not just talking about paying a premium for being the first kid on the block with the newest toy. Anything that can be fairly placed in the category of the Q is at least as expensive and usually more expensive.

We are talking about a "3 CHIP" (no color wheels), "true 1080p" (no wobbulation or dithering), "70 INCH" beauty that has been confirmed by professional reviewers to be a GREAT performer. I think 10-13G's is a bargain :)

I agree with your observation of the "SONY markup" (i.e., paying for their name) but some times in life, you get what you pay for.

Originally posted by BenDover
Q, what you say is true. However, in the case of the Q, here you are not just talking about paying a premium for being the first kid on the block with the newest toy. Anything that can be fairly placed in the category of the Q is at least as expensive and usually more expensive.

We are talking about a "3 CHIP" (no color wheels), "true 1080p" (no wobbulation or dithering), "70 INCH" beauty that has been confirmed by professional reviewers to be a GREAT performer. I think 10-13G's is a bargain :)

No way in hell. I'm not saying your set isn't awesome and I'm going to be blown away when I see it, nor am I doubting the reviews that I've seen, but there is no way in hell that price is a bargain, especially coming from Sony.

Bargain is a term I rarely use with a straight face in consumer electronics as is...but especially in a case like this. Sony is not known for bargains.

I'm glad you and the other owners are very happy with your purchase. That's important. That sends a message. I have yet to see an dissatisfied Qualia 006 owner anywhere, as of yet. :) But that doesn't mean you all got a "bargain." ;)



I agree with your observation of the "SONY markup" (i.e., paying for their name) but some times in life, you get what you pay for.

Not with Sony, more often than not, in recent years, at least.

By the way, its $13K, not $10K. [/B][/QUOTE]

10 on-line. No tax.

Originally posted by peterhodes
By the way, its $13K, not $10K.

10 on-line. No tax.

Legit or gray market? Shopzilla.com shows me mostly resellers and gray market. I personally couldn't see buying a huge, expensive item like this over the Internet.

I also see no way around a mandatory white glove install on this beast, due to its size and weight.

I don't believe you can get this display for 10 grand from an authorized dealer.

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
As to your question about "Is it worth 10-13G's?" I'll answer that with a question: How much of that $13,000 price do you think is mark up for having the name "Sony" on the product? And there's an even more basic truth: You're always going to pay THE top dollar to be the first kid on the block with brand new technology. I never do that for all the obvious reasons. This is the same product line, from Sony, that also offers you a pair of $3300 headphones. What do YOU think?
Apples and oranges -- that's what I think. $3K for headphones -- look into STAX products. Hell, this is an industry where you can easily spend Qualia 006 money on a phono cartridge. Unlike many of these products, however, the Qualia 006 -- IMHO -- is a good value. It offers an extremely high level of performance at a price which is fair in relation to that performance level. Finally, let us thank God for early adopters lilke JB, as they allow this technology to eventually become available to more people at a lower price point.

Originally posted by brt3
Apples and oranges -- that's what I think. $3K for headphones -- look into STAX products. Hell, this is an industry where you can easily spend Qualia 006 money on a phono cartridge. Unlike many of these products, however, the Qualia 006 -- IMHO -- is a good value. It offers an extremely high level of performance at a price which is fair in relation to that performance level. Finally, let us thank God for early adopters lilke JB, as they allow this technology to eventually become available to more people at a lower price point.

I agree. Someone has to go first. It just isn't going to be me. ;)

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
from Sony, that also offers you a pair of $3300 headphones.
Yaaaa,
but vee made jb007 break vith dem dok- taped to his vears after playing hours of rap music to prepare him for his Qualia 006 commercial.

Yaaaaa !:D

Originally posted by Penton-Man
Yaaaa,
but vee made jb007 break vith dem dok- taped to his vears after playing hours of rap music to prepare him for his Qualia 006 commercial.

Yaaaaa !:D

LOL!

You win: http://www3.estart.com/stores/media/oscar%20copy_2.jpg

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ


No way in hell. I'm not saying your set isn't awesome and I'm going to be blown away when I see it, nor am I doubting the reviews that I've seen, but there is no way in hell that price is a bargain, especially coming from Sony.

Bargain is a term I rarely use with a straight face in consumer electronics as is...but especially in a case like this. Sony is not known for bargains.

I'm glad you and the other owners are very happy with your purchase. That's important. That sends a message. I have yet to see an dissatisfied Qualia 006 owner anywhere, as of yet. :) But that doesn't mean you all got a "bargain." ;)



Not with Sony, more often than not, in recent years, at least. [/B]

I don't mean this in a condescending manner nor do I wish to offend you, but I think from your position it is fair to say that you are buying/shopping in a different class than the Q. Just like the Q004 is in a class above where I would even consider buying.

There are $100 receivers, there are $500 receivers, there are $5,000 receivers and still further there are separate pre/pro's which cost even more than that. I'm certainly not buying in the upper classes but at the same time I don't tell the people that are buying in those classes that what they are paying for isn't worth their money. Each of us buys what satisfies our wishes within our own budgets (usually a little over budget :) ).

That is what I meant by my post. While I would certainly buy a Samsung 1080p set when they finally hit the streets for my den (every day, all day viewing for kids/wife), I don't think it is in the same league as the Q all things considered.

The term bargain is relative, like everything else in life. All electronics are overpriced but it is what it is...

Originally posted by BenDover
I don't mean this in a condescending manner nor do I wish to offend you, but I think from your position it is fair to say that you are buying/shopping in a different class than the Q. Just like the Q004 is in a class above where I would even consider buying.

Fair enough, although if I had 13 beans right now, the chances are, I probably wouldn't pull the trigger, tempting as it may be...for the reasons I cited earlier.



There are $100 receivers, there are $500 receivers, there are $5,000 receivers and still further there are separate pre/pro's which cost even more than that. I'm certainly not buying in the upper classes but at the same time I don't tell the people that are buying in those classes that what they are paying for isn't worth their money. Each of us buys what satisfies our wishes within our own budgets (usually a little over budget :) ).

All true and all fair.



That is what I meant by my post. While I would certainly buy a Samsung 1080p set when they finally hit the streets for my den (every day, all day viewing for kids/wife), I don't think it is in the same league as the Q all things considered.

We don't know that yet. Probably true, but then again we'd be back to this very subjective question: How much better, really, will the Qualia 006 be over (fill in the blank)'s 1080p DLP set, or anything coming out this fall?

I just don't think, in the end, anyone can try and justify that $13,000 price tag.



The term bargain is relative, like everything else in life. All electronics are overpriced but it is what it is...

Definitely!

I'm really not trying to cause trouble or start a "OH NOES1 SONY IZE TEH SUXXOREZ!!!" argument in this thread. I just have some general disconcertation with a few things here, that I indicated earlier.

I'm sure when I see this beast, it will be a downright religious experience. ;) My points of question still stand, though. :) I think your last sentence here summed it up rather nicely.

Originally posted by Artwood
If Sony can get enough consumers to think that 13K is a bargain maybe other manufacturers will release similiarly priced sets.

That's the part about this that bothers me, yes. An overall trend. Call it anything you want, but bargain? Kind of hard to swallow that term.

It's against the rule of thumb in consumer electronics to EVER have a bargain on brand new technology, first crack out of the gate.

I understand that and have no hard feelings for it. That's the typical early adopters' cycle that has pro and cons.


There might be an increase in prices. The companies would make more money and everyone could be as happy as the Qualians are. Sounds like a great value and bargain to me! I pledge allegiance to the Qualia, of the great wonderful company of Sony, and to the owners for which it stands, one trophy, ever expensive, with value and quality for all!

The rest of this is another troll post of drivel that continues to hurt your credibility on this board. You really need to stop writing trash like this and looking to cause trouble.

I know you can handle yourself better than this when you feel like it.

I'm actually starting to appreciate Artwood's posts...he is an equal opportunity offender :)

Let's face it, if I could get away with not spending thousands on a TV, I would!!!

I certainly thought it was insane just a few years ago for people to be spending as much as they did on plasma but yet, look where I am today. I wonder what it costs to produce one of these sets. There is, of course, economies of scale and if they can start selling them like the next "Trinitron" prices would undoubtedly fall.

Originally posted by BenDover


I certainly thought it was insane just a few years ago for people to be spending as much as they did on plasma but yet, look where I am today.

I wonder what it costs to produce one of these sets.

A LOT less than what they sell for, on average. That's a truth for most consumer electronics, to varying degrees.


There is, of course, economies of scale and if they can start selling them like the next "Trinitron" prices would undoubtedly fall.

Certainly. Supply and demand, etc.

I guess this weekend I'm going to have to make the hour long trip to Ft. Wayne to see one of these things. Ovation or Tweeter are my best shot, I figure.

I believe editor58 is onto something with his previous comments about some network series adjusting their HD cameras at much different settings compared to others during the filming process and how this results in the pic we get on our 006’s.

Man, are the colors ever over-saturated when I watch C.S.I. Miami with the same menu settings that I watch other HD broadcasts (actually NCIS is similar to C.S.I.)

I recorded C.S.I. Miami earlier this week and last night I tried it with the 006 set to “Vivid” and turned the color setting anywheres from 5-10 clicks down from the stock setting and the images to my eye looked much more appealing.

I’m now wondering if we will enter a stage in HD programming where we will need to have a separate set of menu settings for each television series to give us similar images.

I guess the morale is ….folks, don’t just adhere to one group of settings religiously but constantly experiment to get the best pic.

hifi59, THAT'S IT EXACTLY! It annoys me now that I see it -- I did try switching HDMI inputs, tried monkeying with the (very limited DVD player settings) and the aspect ratio and overscan adjustments in the 006, but to no avail.... I do plan to try component and then a different DVD player as well (at some point).

But why doesn't anyone else see these lines?????

Cheers

Heres a quick note;
2 guys came over to measure for windows at my house today, they just left an hour ago.
They came in the front door with their backs to the Q and didnt see it as they were talking to me and i had their attention. The Q was on and they heard it then all of a sudden one of them was distracted and turned towards the Q for a 1st looksie (chuckle)
Suddenly i heard the big WOE!! It actually scared myself and the other guy hehehe.
THen the other guy wondering what the comotion was turned about as he was startled by the 1st guy to see what the hell happened,!!LOL
Then they both chimmed in with WOE!! and WOW's!!
They both backed up and said the car was comming right at them and how real it was. ( Car show in HD))
They wouldnt leave til i gave them some info to look up on the net. about the Q.
Although i didnt comment on the prior posts when the cable man came out to install the cc he was also just as shocked!!
I felt like a proud parent showing off lol>
Therefore i try not to take the Q for granted as i am spoiled by the best current PQ & techonolgy available today in my opinion.
I used to have the Toshiba 57hlx82 set so i am no stranger to 1920 by 1080p resolutions...
Thats my story ;-)
Tim

Originally posted by BenDover
If that's the case, I would monkey around with the both the TV, and the players aspect settings.

And possibly the video settings related to noise filtering and/or sharpness.

i guarantee that you have them too if you have the Q or most other sets. most people do not even notice them. you really have to look for them. they are there though. i've seen this on many many sets, especially sony's. settings make no diff. i have mine in pro,warm, cinema, reduced power,sharpness 10 etc. still there. look just below the top bar and above the bottom bar in a letterbox movie.

Originally posted by Joel
hifi59, THAT'S IT EXACTLY! It annoys me now that I see it -- I did try switching HDMI inputs, tried monkeying with the (very limited DVD player settings) and the aspect ratio and overscan adjustments in the 006, but to no avail.... I do plan to try component and then a different DVD player as well (at some point).

But why doesn't anyone else see these lines?????

Cheers

Joel,

I can't recall and am too lazy to look back, what are you sending to the Q, 480i? If so, set the 975 to output 1080i and see if that doesn't make it go away (or any other resolution for that matter...480p, 720p...). I think the Q does some serious internal processing to 480i signals and therefore what you see vs. what someone else sees would be highly dependent on all the settings in the Q that affect 480i signals.

Originally posted by hifi59
i guarantee that you have them too if you have the Q or most other sets. most people do not even notice them. you really have to look for them. they are there though. i've seen this on many many sets, especially sony's. settings make no diff. i have mine in pro,warm, cinema, reduced power,sharpness 10 etc. still there. look just below the top bar and above the bottom bar in a letterbox movie.

no, i refuse to ... what would happen if i see them and then forever get distracted by them :eek:

Originally posted by Joel
hifi59, THAT'S IT EXACTLY! It annoys me now that I see it -- I did try switching HDMI inputs, tried monkeying with the (very limited DVD player settings) and the aspect ratio and overscan adjustments in the 006, but to no avail.... I do plan to try component and then a different DVD player as well (at some point).

But why doesn't anyone else see these lines?????

Cheers

none of that is going to help joel. it's the tv (along with many other models/brands). it's one of those things that once u notice them, it's hard to not notice. i've grown used to it and i'm not bothered at all.

Originally posted by Joel
hifi59, THAT'S IT EXACTLY! It annoys me now that I see it -- I did try switching HDMI inputs, tried monkeying with the (very limited DVD player settings) and the aspect ratio and overscan adjustments in the 006, but to no avail.... I do plan to try component and then a different DVD player as well (at some point).

But why doesn't anyone else see these lines?????

Cheers

none of that is going to help joel. been there,done that. it's the tv (along with many other models/brands). it's one of those things that once u notice them, it's hard to not notice. i've grown used to it and i'm not bothered at all.

Originally posted by BenDover
no, i refuse to ... what would happen if i see them and then forever get distracted by them :eek:

they only distract at first because its a new discovery. you will not be bothered by it after a short while, especially knowing that most other sets exhibit the same thing.

Originally posted by hifi59
none of that is going to help joel. been there,done that. it's the tv (along with many other models/brands). it's one of those things that once u notice them, it's hard to not notice. i've grown used to it and i'm not bothered at all.

You all are very forgiving considering the kind of money you paid for these sets.

I haven't seen these kinds of lines on many sets. Are you sure there's no way for Q owners to eliminate that kind of pesky annoyance? What do you think those lines are?

Have you tried using Digital Video Essential yet for some careful calibration? If that doesn't work, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up that an ISF Calibration becomes mandatory for high end equipment such as this.

Many of Sony's TV's, including their tubes, are almost guaranteed in need of ISF calibrations to get them to look exactly right. This may be what it takes for this as well.

I don't see them on HD off the cable box, though. Which is interesting. And I've put my mug right up close to look. What's up with that? There has to be a reason. I'd like others to go take a look.

Cheers

P.S.: BenD, they are still there at 1080i out of the 975. That was the first thing I tried (and I posted that awhile back). Haven't tried 720p or 480p yet. But 480i is unprocessed.

If all the Qualians get behind it do you think there can be a Firewire revolution?

Firewire is one good thing I can say about the Qualia--I wish all displays would feature it!

Originally posted by Artwood
If all the Qualians get behind it do you think there can be a Firewire revolution?

Firewire is one good thing I can say about the Qualia--I wish all displays would feature it!

I had no idea Firewire could do all this and potentially outperform HDMI, according to some of the feedback we've seen in this thread.

So, what's the deal folks: HDMI vs. Firewire. ;)

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
You all are very forgiving considering the kind of money you paid for these sets.

I haven't seen these kinds of lines on many sets. Are you sure there's no way for Q owners to eliminate that kind of pesky annoyance? What do you think those lines are?

Have you tried using Digital Video Essential yet for some careful calibration? If that doesn't work, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up that an ISF Calibration becomes mandatory for high end equipment such as this.

Many of Sony's TV's, including their tubes, are almost guaranteed in need of ISF calibrations to get them to look exactly right. This may be what it takes for this as well.

The problem isn't the TV, it's the source material. I've seen those lines on EVERY TV I've ever watched letterbox DVDs on. Heck, given the Q's resolution I wouldn't be surprised if it amplified the problem.

Originally posted by kanebear
The problem isn't the TV, it's the source material. I've seen those lines on EVERY TV I've ever watched letterbox DVDs on. Heck, given the Q's resolution I wouldn't be surprised if it amplified the problem.

Very likely. A sensitive piece of high-end equipment like this will be merciless on trashy source material. NOT a "fault" of any TV.

Are these lines something only on the newer technologies, or would I see them on HD tubes as well?

Originally posted by Q of BanditZ
You all are very forgiving considering the kind of money you paid for these sets.

I haven't seen these kinds of lines on many sets. Are you sure there's no way for Q owners to eliminate that kind of pesky annoyance? What do you think those lines are?

Have you tried using Digital Video Essential yet for some careful calibration? If that doesn't work, I wouldn't be surprised at all if it ends up that an ISF Calibration becomes mandatory for high end equipment such as this.

Many of Sony's TV's, including their tubes, are almost guaranteed in need of ISF calibrations to get them to look exactly right. This may be what it takes for this as well.

my 60" xbr lcd was calibrated twice and it had the lines. these are seen on dvd widescreen movies with bars. the lines remind me of the thin wire sony uses in its computer monitor screens that go horizontal in the tube. they can be seen but you have to look for them. look at bright scenes to notice them.

Originally posted by hifi59
my 60" xbr lcd was calibrated twice and it had the lines. these are seen on dvd widescreen movies with bars. the lines remind me of the thin wire sony uses in its computer monitor screens that go horizontal in the tube. they can be seen but you have to look for them. look at bright scenes to notice them.

I most certainly will.

Heh, this is going to be a case where I'm going to be "glad" that I have a small display across a 10 foot viewing distance. ;)

No mercy and forgiveness on large screens with sensitive, high tech gear involved.

I feel much better now, thanks Kanebear. I will feel even better when others report seeing them on their Qualias .....

Cheers

P.S.: Come to think of it, I seem to recall seeing them on my DILA FP setup a couple years ago as well but I can't be certain given the passage of time. I no longer am in possession of that rig.

Qualia 006 arrived in apparently good shape until I fired it up. The mirror looked like something smashed it. Spiderweb cracks all over the screen.

What really ticks me off is that my credit card was charged when the unit shipped ... two weeks or so ago. Now if I want a replacement, I have to order a new one all over again. While I wait for two weeks or longer for a refund on the set which I don't have.

OUCH. Sorry for you ... good thing you looked it over!!!! Did you order it from Sony Qualia? They will take care of you, at least it's a 2-week delivery time now (it used to be 4+ weeks) ....

Cheers

Yellow has my set but they haven't contacted me yet.

gellis' story concerns me as Yellow will likely not uncrate it and carry it inside, leaving it to me to do and therefore, they'll probably be gone before I get to fire it up.

Originally posted by gellis
Qualia 006 arrived in apparently good shape until I fired it up. The mirror looked like something smashed it. Spiderweb cracks all over the screen.

What really ticks me off is that my credit card was charged when the unit shipped ... two weeks or so ago. Now if I want a replacement, I have to order a new one all over again. While I wait for two weeks or longer for a refund on the set which I don't have.

I felt outright physical pain when I read this. Real sorry man. :(

BenDover, you have a pm

Originally posted by Joel
OUCH. Sorry for you ... good thing you looked it over!!!! Did you order it from Sony Qualia? They will take care of you, at least it's a 2-week delivery time now (it used to be 4+ weeks) ....

Cheers

Thanks for the sentiments. I did order it from Sony Qualia. I didn't get much compassion from them. Want a replacement? Order a new one. Refund? Well, that will depend on how long it takes to get the set returned and inspected. Sorry, I'm not in a great mood at the moment!

I am very happy to learn that the lead time is only two weeks now. That's some consolation.

Originally posted by Joel
OUCH. Sorry for you ... good thing you looked it over!!!! Did you order it from Sony Qualia? They will take care of you, at least it's a 2-week delivery time now (it used to be 4+ weeks) ....

Cheers

Thanks for the sentiments. I did order it from Sony Qualia. I didn't get much compassion from them. Want a replacement? Order a new one. Refund? Well, that will depend on how long it takes to get the set returned and inspected. Sorry, I'm not in a great mood at the moment!

I am very happy to learn that the lead time is only two weeks now. That's some consolation.

Gellis,

I'm sure you know this but, "the squeaky wheel gets the oil"

You should squeak like hell and they should give you the next set, bumping everyone else's order down a notch...except mine :D

editor posted his comparative analysis (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5577556#post5577556) on the Mosquito thread.

Originally posted by gellis
Qualia 006 arrived in apparently good shape until I fired it up. The mirror looked like something smashed it. Spiderweb cracks all over the screen.

What really ticks me off is that my credit card was charged when the unit shipped ... two weeks or so ago. Now if I want a replacement, I have to order a new one all over again. While I wait for two weeks or longer for a refund on the set which I don't have.

It is too bad that you have to carry a charge on your credit card for a defective item. You could complain to your CC company, but they would probably take as long as it will to process your refund as it will for you to return your set.

There really should be an out when this happens.

Originally posted by BenDover
editor posted his comparative analysis (http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?postid=5577556#post5577556) on the Mosquito thread.

YES I Did!


Comparative Analysis of Faroudja vs. Algolith - Silicon Optix
by Rob Feiner - Copyright 2005


Equipment at the Silicon Optix Booth …For the Record:
Denon 5910 DVD player
QuVis-Qubit HD HDU for 1080i sources
2 Realta reference systems
JVS HD2k 1080p projector (Faroudja Video Processing)
Marantz S4 720p projector (GENNUM GF9350 VXP Video Processing)

Plasmas: (2) Runco CW61"

Rear Projection: (2) Sony 70" Grand Wega LCD

Processors: Silicon Optix reference design board (essentially an open Dragonfly) and Faroudja 1010 (or whatever it is that ships with the HD2K) and internal processing of the projectors/displays

Comparative Sources: either DVD coming from Denon 5910 or HD from QuBit (or Tivo)

Setup: going out analog from the source devices into a distribution amp that split the signal either direct to the display or to the Realta and then to the displays.

Realta Chip Information:
http://www.audioholics.com/cedia/cedia2004/SiliconOptixRealtaHQV.php

http://www.siliconoptix.com


The above information sets the Baseline as our “field lab” for available components.

Preliminary Comparison between the Units:

There seems to be a huge amount of confusion regarding what the Algolith products are, and do. The following is provided for your understanding prior to going into my observational review.

Dragonfly is primarily a deinterlacer, scaler and cadence corrector with some noise reduction, it has Standard Definition (SD) Mosquito noise reduction, it is a reduced version of what is offered in the Mosquito product. The Mosquito is a compression artifact Noise reducer, it does not do any scaling, deinterlacing or cadence correction. In the Mosquito, the MPEG noise reduction is called "MPEG Noise Reduction" or "MNR", in the Dragonfly it's called; CNR or Codec Noise Reduction, CNR does Mosquito noise reduction on SD not on HD. Dragonfly has Temporal recursive noise reduction in SD and HD, however it does not have any macro blocking reduction (BAR) in either resolutions. Whenever you turn on CNR on the Dragonfly, you loose some of the great Teranex software algorithms for deinterlacing, hence this causes jaggies to become more apparent on the image, so to get the best picture you want to turn off CNR on the Dragonfly and combine it with the Mosquito. This combo, gives you the best picture, since you get maximum compressed noise reduction in SD and HD and Block artifact reduction and edge detected and amplified sharpness from the Mosquito, giving you the added depth of field in SD and HD, so many of our clients rave about, and the Dragonfly gives you all the power of the Teranex software algorithms for deinterlacing, scaling and cadence correction.

Block Chart Provided by Algolith is Available on the PDF Version of this Review (Located at the bottom of this post)

Editor’s Note
I’m NOT going to get into a technical debate over signal to noise ratio, stat numbers, and stated specs on any unit. All numbers can be manipulated to achieve a goal.
This review is based upon my eye, my perceptions, and my 25+ years in Network Broadcasting. I have an FCC First Class License, extensive electronic background (I’m NOT an EE), and Broadcast Operations. I have 5 Emmy awards which only means I know a good picture, I can tell a story, and was just LUCKY in winning over several of my peers who are equally talented. My review is my opinion, and objects in the mirror are closer than they appear.


After meeting and speaking with Mike Poirier, Vice President Sales & Marketing of Algolith for over two hours at the HE2005 show, several dynamics became apparent. Mike is extraordinarily charismatic, and knowledgeable when it comes to algorithmic corrections of less than perfect video. He also took a beating from me regarding his booth set-up demo of the Dragonfly. There are two other members of the Press that had the same reaction regarding the quality of the Dragonfly demo set-up.

Algolith as Mike enlightened me is first and foremost a Mathematics Corporation. If you understand what it takes to correct video, it’s all about math and algorithms. Algolith had a HighBit version the Fifth Element playing on a cheap DVD player going through the Dragonfly, and out to an LCD FPM (all component). The naked picture was horrible, and the corrected version (Post Dragonfly) still had noise in it. Even on my old DVD player, and an even older Pioneer Elite RP, I have never seen the Fifth Element look so bad, and my version isn’t HighBit. That old TV is gone and the Qualia 006 is its replacement. So, after beating Mike up about the show set-up, he informed me that there was a secret demo comparison being conducted in the Silicon Optix Booth for Press. He also agreed with me 195% about his own set-up at his booth. 195% must be one of those new algorithms Algolith has been working on.

Also at the Algolith booth was the Mosquito. Set-up separately but in the same way as the Dragonfly. This demo actually impressed me. On various video formats from WMV, MPEG 1 and 2, SD and HD output in 720p, the Mosquito delivered on every level. The source material was generated from a multimedia PC. Noise reduction was outstanding. pixel tearing, and motion block artifacts gone. I’ll talk about this more later on.

As the show began to close at 5:00pm, on the second floor of the NY Hilton, various, nefarious, members of the press began to gather. Like junkies looking for a fix at 3am way uptown, we sauntered into the Silicon Optix booth, given a shot of off vintage Chianti while being greeted warmly. You see, we have the pen, we can make them money. People hang on our every word… are you hanging? Various engineers were scampering about the room trying to figure out why there was no audio. It turns out that the voltage going into some of the audio amps was 193 out of the wall. Hmmm… I do believe that is an extra charge, but, I can check with the teamsters. With a little hobnobbing and hand pressing, the usual exchange of colorful business cards, (mine is) and a promise of wonderment, we all took our seats. There was to be no audio at this demo thanks to the Hilton, but did we care? Hardly. Source material 1080i from the Discovery Channel. Yes, you guessed it! Bugs and flowers, my favorite! The JVC Front projector contained a version of Faroudja’s 1010 processor for internal processing. Whether or not it matches the external device circuit for circuit is unknown. It would be unlikely that Faroudja would build 2 different chips. This was the part of an A/B/C test. A) naked, B) Faroudja, and C) Silicon Optix reference design board (essentially an open Dragonfly). The theater crowd was unanimous. the Silicon Optix won hands down. The Faroudja couldn’t resolve the fine details. As a point of reference, there really was none. Since the demo team at Silicon Optix didn’t have in their possession the Faroudja remote control, no tweaking could really be performed on the Faroudja. We collectively agreed the black level of the Faroudja was off. We were told that the Faroudja was “as shipped” and factory calibrated.

De-interlacing is the hardest part of signal processing which is why film looks so great. it shuttered but never interlaced. Once you accomplish the de-interlacing, the scaling is the easy part, and the Dragonfly does this far better than the Faroudja. Since the Silicon Optix Rialta chip is capable of over 3 Trillion instructions per second it cleans video and applies CNR (codec noise reduction) at the pixel level. What does this mean? If a pixel doesn’t need processing, it doesn’t get it. The algorithm detects motion, and leaves that alone too because otherwise you’ll get smearing. The processing I am told, is achievable up to 2K pixels width, so those of us with Qualia 006’s and an enhanced 1920x1080 resolution will achieve stunning results. The 10-bit diagonal interpolator removes any “jaggies” and stair-stepping artifacts from de-interlaced video sources without blurring the image. This was apparent during some FOX NASCAR video that we were shown. The video was from a flat sky on an overcast race day, and while the noise levels were low and didn’t need a lot of the Realta’s power the video was smooth and easy on the eyes. To my eyes it was clear that the de-interlacing and output to 1080p was an outstanding result.
The Faroudja processing left me flat. The lack of detail in the Faroudja chipset made everyone in the room take tangible notice. It was unbelievable at how we collectively agreed that the Silicon Optix Chip so dramatically overshadowed the Faroudja. Several other tests further confirmed that the Faroudja was no match for the Realta. Here on a table lay a circuit board, basically the guts of a Dragonfly, and it ripped apart the Faroudja.

The Mosquito was quite another story in and of itself. Analog SD broadcasting is the bane of all digital TV’s. Mosquito noise, MPEG garbage of every proportion, broadcast noise that you get when you pay $100 monthly cable bills, and the list goes on. With a TIVO driving two identical Runco Plasmas, one feeding into the Dragonfly using a Mosquito Noise Reduction Algorithm, the other unprocessed, it was immediately apparent that unprocessed video was unwatchable; yet, I was watching it every day; countless hours wasted on bad TV. Once you are configured with HDMI inputs over 12 Bit processing becomes available. Proprietary 3D-MNR MPEG Noise Reduction - Proprietary 3D-DNR Gaussian Noise Reduction - Proprietary 2D auto detection Block Artifact Reducer (BAR) - Proprietary Detail Enhancer are the order of the day. What the Mosquito serves up is a delicious way to return your video content even if it’s HD to a pristine picture free of artifacts. I think that we have all seen high motion HD content is not free from Block Pixelization, and this is due to bandwidth constraints. As more HD content becomes available the delivery pipe is just going to get that much smaller. If this is an indication of things to come, the Mosquito will become a necessity right now it’s a luxury that should be part of every serious videophile’s system.

The double bang of the Dragonfly and Mosquito from Algolith is not an inexpensive journey into video bliss. The fact that the development costs exceed $8 million, and new algorithms are constantly being developed to devices that are openly upgradeable through internet downloads, takes some of the sting out of the price tag, maybe. With any new technology comes a price, and bleeding edge technology only means that with your dollars comes a pint too.


2005 Home Entertainment Show
NY Hilton. Date Attended: Friday April 29th, 2005
http://www.he2004.com/index.html

PDF File is Located on the Video Processor Area with this same post.

gellis,
You have a PM about the poor Sony Qualia service that I will try and help.
brgds,
jp

Originally posted by editor58

Comparative Analysis of Faroudja vs. Algolith - Silicon Optix
by Rob Feiner - Copyright 2005

Sheesh Rob, you coulda listed Max at least as a secondary author.:confused:

O.K. guys - here it is - what you've all been waiting for....

Had my 006 calibrated today by Eliab Alvarez de la Campa (www.avical.com). He does national tours and is very well known.

Let me cut to the chase, give a quick summary, and then give details:

I doubted a calibration would have much of an impact on picture quality. Boy was I wrong. Those who follow this thread know I am very enthusiastic about this set's picture quality, particularly the level of detail. After the calibration the picture is clearly and unequivocally better in every way. I am even more enthusiastic now! This is one great set.

Now for some details. First, unfortunately, I did not have a long time to spend with Eliab today due to business committments. However, we were able to get in a 2.5 hour session in which he calibrated input 4 into which I have my Kenwood Soverign DVD player connected. I set the DVD player to interlaced mode, and turned off all picture enhancements. The connection is component cable. He also calibrated my Comcast 6412 DVR box that is hooked up to input 6 via DVI to HDMI.

He used a Photo Research PR-650 SpectraColorimeter which is the reference lab tool by which all other analyzers including the Milori are judged up against. This piece put him back nearly 21k after all the accessories he got. He had this equipment checked by Joe Kane to ensure perfect calibration.

We really were not able to look at high frequency response in the way UMR did due to lack of time. We spent all the time tweaking the grey scale, getting the settings optimized etc.

The first thing he did was take a seat in my "throne" and watch DVD and HD material. He was not that impressed with the picture. I had the set in PRO, Warm, and all the advanced settings shut off. I had cinema black pro turned on, but he turned it off and said he would determine the best setting for it once he calibrated the set. The only setting left "on" so to speak was color space was set to "wide". He left all the other settings like contrast, hue, etc. at the default setting (where the little circles are on the horizontal menu bars).

He first hooked his PR-650 up the Comcast HD box, and made adjustments in the user menu.

He thought the color test patterns before adjusting anything were accurate, as we all know to be the case.

He checked contrast, and concluded that for both inputs it was fine to set the contrast all the way to maximum - 63, since there was no clipping of whites seen. The difference between 58 and 63 is not that much, so this is actually not that surprising.

He left hue (tint) at the default.

He was disappointed with "ringing" (due to the sharpness control) on both DVDs and HD material, and concluded that the sharpness control needs to be set at zero. I could see the test pattern improvements when he did this.

He had read a couple of the published reviews, and was surprised that one of them had mentioned difficulty holding black level. He did not find that to be the case with my set.

He did some work in the service menu. This was his first 006, but he was able to very easily navigate through the service menu, and found 3 or 4 service levels that he could access using the JUMP key on the remote. Basic navigation in the service menu was the standard for all Sony sets.

He found that overscan via input 4 and using DVE Professional test patterns was slightly off, but was even more off using input 6 and test patterns from his PR-650. This was very surprising to me, but it was clearly off. After some testing he concluded that the 006, like all other Sony's he's calibrated (many hundred sets) has one set of overscan settings for all scan rates. Since I watch HD more than DVDs, I told him to optimize the overscan for HD viewing, and he did that, resulting in excellent test pattern results.

The grey scale for HD was really improved using his PR-650.

IRE Before After

100 6308 6469
90 6384 6466
80 6364 6454
70 6439 6483
60 6450 6530
50 6422 6531
40 6466 6546
30 6397 6450
20 6258 6446

Peak light output was 34.0 fL pre-calibration and 50.3 post-calibration. For DVD, the post calibration peak light output was substantially different - at 35.3 fL

Post calibration settings:

Brightness 28
Contrast 63
Color was calibrated to 33 but when we viewed material post-calibration we both agreed that punching up the color to 40 on the material we looked at provided a more pleasing picture - but this is one setting that may need to be adjusted from input to input.
Tint 31
Sharpness 0
Color space wide: Yes, set to on.
Cinema black Pro - suprisingly he left it off
He thought the black levels post calibration were excellent. Did not have time to do an actual measurement. I am perfectly satisified with this set's black levels, even with cinema black pro shut off.


He saved these settings for both DVD and HD in the service menu. Doing this resulted in the little circles on the horizontal user menu bars being reset to the service menu setting. For example, when I now look at sharpness in the user menu, the little circle in now set at zero instead of what it was (25 I think).

Set is in PRO mode, warm setting.

Picture quality? GREAT!!!!!! with both DVD and HD. Noticeably better? YES.

He agrees the level of detail with source material is OUTSTANDING with HD over HDMI. There is no way yet to calibrate iLink, that he knew of, by the way. We ran out of time and could not look at any iLink HD material.

He agrees that test patterns are the way to set up the set, but the bottom line is that what YOU LIKE is the correct setting for YOU. If you like VIVID, and Cool color temperature, he never tells a client they are "wrong". He shows them the calibrated picture, points out the improvements, but always recommends you watch the set the way you like it best.

Cost was $400.

Originally posted by nhey
O.K. guys - here it is - what you've all been waiting for....

Had my 006 calibrated today by Eliab Alvarez de la Campa (www.avical.com). He does national tours and is very well known.
Cost was $400.
Nice review and NICE cost.
Thanks for taking the time nhey.
Much appreciated.

Originally posted by nhey
He was disappointed with "ringing" (due to the sharpness control) on both DVDs and HD material, and concluded that the sharpness control needs to be set at zero. I could see the test pattern improvements when he did this.

brt,
Plllllllllllease, wipe that grin off your face !

In regards to NEWS on this thread,
why is it that it seems like it's either feast or famine?
Shessh between editor and nhey, I've had to brew another pot of java.

I've even forgotten about Artwood's compliment concerning the 006 awhile back.

Artwood - Good thing - the Sony Blu-ray's have far-ware.
The Lousy thing - the new Sony Hi-Def recorders due out towards the end of May don't.

So nhey,
Did he keep the Color Space set on "Wide" prior to and AFTER calibration ?

Very interesting on the warm color mode; are whites pinkish after calibration? I stick with the neutral setting because whites go visibly pinkish when the set is on warm.

Thanks so much for the information!!!! I also like the sharpness at zero, no question for me about that.

Cheers

PM, you mean the HDD500? They still show 5/21 on their site!

Originally posted by Penton-Man
In regards to NEWS on this thread,
why is it that it seems like it's either feast or famine?
Shessh between editor and nhey, I've had to brew another pot of java.

I've even forgotten about Artwood's compliment concerning the 006 awhile back.

Artwood - Good thing - the Sony Blu-ray's have far-ware.
The Lousy thing - the new Sony Hi-Def recorders due out towards the end of May don't.

Originally posted by Penton-Man

Man, are the colors ever over-saturated when I watch C.S.I. Miami with the same menu settings that I watch other HD broadcasts (actually NCIS is similar to C.S.I.)

I guess the morale is ….folks, don’t just adhere to one group of settings religiously but constantly experiment to get the best pic.

PM,
AMEN, Mini Dive says CSI stands for Color Saturation Increased.

Originally posted by mpsan
PM, you mean the HDD500? They still show 5/21 on their site!
Yes, I mean the HDD500.
No, I haven't checked to see if they will make their 5/21 estimated launch.
Yes, I looked at the specs and I can see no far-ware.

Nevertheless, I think it still may suffice for my needs.

I am also interested in the HDD500. I expect that PQ would be much improved over a cable box, ANY cable box. Only drawbacks are no Firewire and only one tuner (meaning you can't watch one thing and record another). Apparently it uses a Cablecard, I believe I read that somewhere.
Of course, I can always keep a cablebox around for the interactive stuff and as the second tuner.

Cheers

Before getting my sa8300hd dvr from my cable provider I would likely have overlooked the lack of multiple tuners , but man can I emphatically say that that is not the case today.

The 8300 allows you to record two hd shows while simultaneously watching a third already recorded show. With my office hours and cramped weekend time, this ability has become a godsend.

I will likely hold off on the Sony hdd500 or 250 and instead simply connect an avhdd and record directly from the q, unless that also requires the q to be burning bright...in that case, disregard what I just said :)

Hi all,
I finally got my htpc to work with my x800xt grafics card to output the FULL 1920 by 1080 res. Here are a few pics from one of the HD dvd-roms i got off the net.

You should see it for yourself!! A low res pic does'nt really do justice.
Im still working on some overscan and am going to have to deal with powerstrip settings to do that as time permits.

Sorry to hear about the damaged 006 :-(

Hang in there bud.
I know what a stress it is until its actually in the home!!

Tim

^^ WOW!

Tropical plant

Bug

Looking out of cave

Originally posted by Joel
Apparently it uses a Cablecard, I believe I read that somewhere.

Not apparently Joel, unequivocally.:)

How am I supposed to sleep tonight when I have timc's pictures floating in my mind? :( ;)

Originally posted by Joel
I am also interested in the HDD500. Only drawbacks are no Firewire and only one tuner (meaning you can't watch one thing and record another).
I'm expecting an onslaught of Artwood evangelistic proclamations regarding the deficiencies (planned and otherwise) with this product...and Sony in general.

But Artwood, if you’re a Power User, and you plan to keep on renting your cheapie cable HDD set top box (as I do)……You gotta LUV the “500” part of this recorder and accept it as a supplemental enhancement.:D

I liked Sony when most people liked RCA or Zenith. I liked Sony reel to reel tape recorders when most people loved LPs. Maybe there has just been a lack in zeal for Firewire by Sony as they hammer out a new HD-disc standard. Returning to Sony would be like returning to church in The Color Purple! Everyone loved that movie and it didn't win Best Picture. Maybe that's the way people would feel about me if I became a Qualian!

TOOOOOOOOOOOOOmorrow, tomorrow, it'll be here, TOOOOMORRROWW... it's only a dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy a-wayyyy. Now all I gotta do is get the rest of the room set up, fix the damn bunk subwoofer (thank you Velodyne for shipping the amp same day. BOO for shipping it GROUND despite me giving a CC# to PAY for overnight shipping!)

Originally posted by timc1475
Looking out of cave
EXACTLY how I feel when leaving the BatCave after an extended Qualiathon...

:D

Yes, it does have a cablecard. I wish they would let you network these like my ReplayTV's. Then we could get two 250's and not worry where the show was recorded. We have a 55" plasma that we got two weeks before the Q and plan to watch stuff there and save the Lamp cost. ROI may only be 40 years! :D

Originally posted by Joel
I am also interested in the HDD500. I expect that PQ would be much improved over a cable box, ANY cable box. Only drawbacks are no Firewire and only one tuner (meaning you can't watch one thing and record another). Apparently it uses a Cablecard, I believe I read that somewhere.
Of course, I can always keep a cablebox around for the interactive stuff and as the second tuner.

Cheers

Originally posted by mpsan
Yes, it does have a cablecard. I wish they would let you network these like my ReplayTV's. Then we could get two 250's and not worry where the show was recorded. We have a 55" plasma that we got two weeks before the Q and plan to watch stuff there and save the Lamp cost. ROI may only be 40 years! :D

You all realize that without the Dragonfly and Mosquito, that you're only getting 1/2 the picture... is it the upper or lower... I forget.

I gotta get me a pair of these $$$$!!!!

Read my review.

Editor

Originally posted by Penton-Man
brt,
Plllllllllllease, wipe that grin off your face !
Guilty as charged...
:D :D :D
I contacted Eliab about calibrations on the Left Coast. He has referred me to a good friend of his, Chuck Williams, who is relocating to the San Francisco area in July (heads up, kaduku and 3deye!). Maybe I'll have my Dragonfly/Mosquito combo up and running by then (GREAT review, editor!) so he can do everything in one fell swoop...

Yeah, I read it. You guys are costing me lots of PP. How much were they, I did not notice?

Originally posted by editor58
You all realize that without the Dragonfly and Mosquito, that you're only getting 1/2 the picture... is it the upper or lower... I forget.

I gotta get me a pair of these $$$$!!!!

Read my review.

Editor

Originally posted by mpsan
Yeah, I read it. You guys are costing me lots of PP. How much were they, I did not notice?
I think Michel Poirer told me that the combo (Dragonfly w/HDMI Mosquito) would run $5K...

Originally posted by timc1475
Tropical plant
Very obviously yet ANOTHER Sony plant...

Originally posted by editor58
You all realize that without the Dragonfly and Mosquito, that you're only getting 1/2 the picture... I gotta get me a pair of these $$$$!!!!
I can not tell you how excited I am at the prospect of being able to view SD over Comcast without being disgusted by the artifact level. SpeedVision shall be restored to it's former glory (before Fox turned it into The NASCAR Channel) and I will once more be able to invite friends over to watch Formula One broadcasts without that nasty SD-stigma...

Furthermore, I am thrilled to hear the Dragonfly eliminates block noise during rapid transitions on HD content (over cable). THAT has been bugging the hell out of me -- totally unacceptable, IMHO -- so the Dragonfly should take HD over cable precariously close to DVHS quality. Hope it doens't improve DVHS -- that might trigger instantaneous cardiac arrest...

Originally posted by editor58
You all realize that without the Dragonfly and Mosquito, that you're only getting 1/2 the picture... I gotta get me a pair of these $$$$!!!!

You guys are killing me. Thought I was finally going to stop a while with the Q006. Now there's a few more pieces I just need to get! :)

-xrispy

Originally posted by brt3
SpeedVision shall be restored to it's former glory (before Fox turned it into The NASCAR Channel)
LoL, LoL....
You mean you don’t like perpetual left turning ?

Originally posted by xrispy
You guys are killing me. Thought I was finally going to stop a while with the Q006. Now there's a few more pieces I just need to get! :) -xrispy
It's an illness that just doesn't stop, since perfection is always JUST out of reach...

Originally posted by brt3
I think Michel Poirer told me that the combo (Dragonfly w/HDMI Mosquito) would run $5K...
You THINK ?
You KNOW exactly to the strip of Penton Paper how much that combo will cost and save you for the pair rather than purchasing each one separately.

You've been watching for these insects with the super-charged chip as long as I have.

Originally posted by Penton-Man
LoL, LoL.... You mean you don’t like perpetual left turning ?

PM,

Just a road-course open-wheel kinda guy, I guess! As an aside, I live about eight miles from Sears Point Raceway (now called Infineon). It's a blast to watch the NASCAR guys run there...

1+ years ago - moved to my current house - 4000sf, nice lot -life is good right?
Wrong!
Read "sony jumps" thread - must have this TV. I was happy with getting a nice 61" DLP but noooooooo....

150k - new room addition to house this piece of art
11k - wall unit to hold TV and compments (3 little kids who love to grab)
7k - new speakers - you said that the sound is important too
4k - new receiver - same reason as above
2k - you said it is important to have a power cond./voltage regulator
1k - eventual Blu-ray or hybrid - gotta feed the beast the best right?
1k - calibration since the best can be even better! I rounded up for effect
5k - 2 new "bugs" to clean up the video (Thanks Editor! :))

New TV - 13K
Accessories - 181k

THE WAY THIS IS GOING IT WOULD BE CHEAPER FOR ME TO OFFER EVERY PERSON ON THIS THREAD $500 TO STOP POSTING ANY COMMENTS ABOUT OTHER GEAR/ENHANCEMENTS/ADD-ONS...

Then again - this is way too fun (at least until my wife leaves me)! :)